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SirBlimelyWindy 19:59
Welcome everyone... #ukedchat I suppose the first question we
need to answer is 'what is learning?'
ukedchat 19:59
Ok, folks. It's 8pm. Enjoy #ukedchat tonight with @SirBlimelyWindy
Topic = "How do you teach learning?" Off you go...
schoolsict 20:00Do you really teach learning or is it more facilitating learning?#ukedchat
SirBlimelyWindy 20:00
I am on twitterfall and it is a little slow it seems - i will try and keep
up #ukedchat
dughall 20:00 #ukedchat Learning is far better modelled than taught.
simfin 20:00
RT @ukedchat: Ok, folks. It's 8pm. Enjoy #ukedchat tonight with
@SirBlimelyWindy Topic = "How do you teach learning?" Off you
go...
Biolady99 20:00 enthusiastic interactivity with a focal contextual element #ukedchat
mattpearson 20:01@SirBlimelyWindy switch to tweetchat...use the tool speciallydesigned for twitterchats! #ukedchat
ICTwitz 20:01
I think learning is individual to each person #ukedchat and comes
with different experiences.
misshbond 20:01
RT @ukedchat: Ok, folks. It's 8pm. Enjoy #ukedchat tonight with
@SirBlimelyWindy Topic = "How do you teach learning?" Off you
go...
mattpearson 20:01
Coupling 'learning and teaching' together in a phrase is easy.
Showing how they are linked in reality is lot more difficult...
#ukedchat
gregtheseal 20:01 #ukedchat doing something new and getting better at something
SirBlimelyWindy 20:01
RT @dughall: #ukedchat Learning is far better modelled than
taught.
Andy__Stokes 20:01
Do we need to in the current education system, or do we need to
teach how to remember info #ukedchat
dmchugh675 20:01 #ukedchat learning is making connections.
gormatt 20:02
@ukedchat @SirBlimelyWindy Learning is personal meaning
making. Means individuals have to construct the meaning for
themselves. Active.
cherrylkd 20:02
@dughall #ukedchat do you mean 'hands on' (not literally)peer to
peer?
SirBlimelyWindy 20:02
RT @schoolsict: Do you really teach learning or is it more facilitating
learning? #ukedchat < well, there has to be some instruction
bucharesttutor 20:02
Good Evening all in today's #ukedchat for me learning the three Rs
would be a good start for teaching the students
stuart_g_brown 20:03
#ukedchat don't 'teach' learning, create the best conditions for each
pupil to discover how they learn in their own way
SirBlimelyWindy 20:03 RT @dan_bowen: Learning..is a process not an action #ukedchat
ICTwitz 20:03@bucharesttutor Is there a difference between teaching & learningthough? #ukedchat
dan_bowen 20:03 Learning..is a process not an action #ukedchat
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bucharesttutor 20:04
@mattpearson lol I was thinking more about Reading, Writing and
Rote #ukedchat
dan_bowen 20:04
#ukedchat so to teach learning you have to model and help them
through the process and the more involved they are the deeper the
learning
TeachToAll 20:04
RT @stuart_g_brown: #ukedchat don't 'teach' learning, create the
best conditions for each pupil to discover how they learn in theirown way
davidhunter 20:04
#ukedchat if you're teaching people to leweb presumably you need
to remove the instruction slowly
JoPearce 20:04 #ukedchat "How do you teach learning?" - Celebrate mistakes
ukedchat 20:04 @gormatt Please use #ukedchat instead of @ukedchat Thank you
schoolsict 20:04
@SirBlimelyWindy Is setting the boundaries really teaching? At
University level the main skill taught is how to research. #ukedchat
KempsterD 20:04
#ukedchat There are aspects of learning of learning such as
resilience, reciprocity etc that can be broken down into skills etc to
be taught
mattpearson 20:04
@bucharesttutor resilience, resourcefulness, relationships?? (after
Guy Claxton) #ukedchat
gregtheseal 20:05
@stuart_g_brown #ukedchat why not teach learning. Isn't teaching
'showing' ideas?
SirBlimelyWindy 20:05
RT @dan_bowen: #ukedchat so to teach learning you have to
model and help them through the process and the more involved
they are the deeper the learning
JOHNSAYERS 20:05
Learning involves virtual permanent understanding of something
not just a short term gain which is progressive development cycle
#ukedchat
jayneokell 20:05
@dan_bowen #ukedchat I agree! We need to remember that it is
continuous. It never stops so what we need to think about is
progress.
Andy__Stokes 20:05
@KempsterD, Agreed without the relationship no learning can
occur #ukedchat
dan_bowen 20:05
RT @mattpearson: Coupling 'learning and teaching' together in a
phrase is easy. Showing how they are linked in reality is lot more
difficult... #ukedchat
ICTwitz 20:05 @dan_bowen ...and that process needs to be learned. #ukedchat
mattpearson 20:05
learning is a liminal process (Dylan Wiliam), meaning a change in
psychological states which is hard to define #ukedchat
SirBlimelyWindy 20:05
RT @KempsterD: #ukedchat There are aspects of learning of
learning such as resilience, reciprocity etc that can be broken down
into skills etc to be taught
jayneokell 20:06@bucharesttutor @mattpearson #ukedchat Rote? It might belearning but it's not understanding which is what we want really!
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bucharesttutor 20:06
@ICTwitz teaching means rubbing the concepts ingrained in the
mind while learning is a continuous process #ukedchat
SirBlimelyWindy 20:06
@TeachToAll #ukedchat Scaffolding is the key to supporting
students of all abilities - remove sections for the more able
KempsterD 20:06#ukedchat Recent insights into resilience say it can be taught.Learning is a process but requires action
schoolsict 20:06
@SirBlimelyWindy Research skills allows students answer any
question put to them, even if its not there chosen area of
knowledge #ukedchat
schoolsict 20:06
@SirBlimelyWindy Research skills allows students answer any
question put to them, even if its not there chosen area of
knowledge #ukedchat
mattpearson 20:06
@bucharesttutor the traditional 3rd R is arithmetic (thus subtly
undoing the first two in a performative paradox) #ukedchat
Biolady99 20:06
RT @dan_bowen: #ukedchat so to teach learning you have to
model and help them through the process and the more involved
they are the deeper the learning
KiDu89 20:07
Learning must be seen as a continual reconstruction of experience
that considers social, psychological and developmental factors
#ukedchat
Andy__Stokes 20:07
@jayneokell we might want it, but the system doesn't require it!
#ukedchat
JOHNSAYERS 20:07
So I could refer to something one day and then again in a week a
month a year and the understanding is solid glued/stuck learning
#ukedchat
aangeli 20:07
RT @dan_bowen: #ukedchat so to teach learning you have to
model and help them through the process and the more involved
they are the deeper the learning
davidhunter 20:07
@KempsterD: #ukedchat Recent insights into resilience say it can be
taught. Learning is a process but requires action that's interesting
bucharesttutor 20:07
@mattpearson well anyways that's a good start for me anyway
#ukedchat
Biolady99 20:07
RT @JOHNSAYERS: Learning involves virtual permanent
understanding of something not just a short term gain which isprogressive development cycle #ukedchat
davidhunter 20:08
#ukedchat if you're teaching people to learn presumably you need
to remove the instruction slowly
ePaceonline 20:08
#ukedchat Place pupils at the centre of their learning, learn to learn,
teach how we learn and play to strengths.
Biolady99 20:08
RT @KiDu89: Learning must be seen as a continual reconstruction
of experience that considers social, psychological and
developmental factors #ukedchat
SirBlimelyWindy 20:08
RT @KiDu89: Learning must be seen as a continual reconstruction
of experience that considers social, psychological anddevelopmental factors #ukedchat
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dan_bowen 20:08
RT @GiftedPhoenix: OFQUAL's detailed Qand A on the implications
of yesterday's changes to GCSE marking and modularity -
http://t.co/iBAFDnWs #ukedchat
MsELH 20:08
#ukedchat My year 8 blog! http://t.co/LwqDusUg Please leave a
comment, it'll make their Christmas. Maybe.
dan_bowen 20:08
RT @KiDu89: Learning must be seen as a continual reconstruction
of experience that considers social, psychological anddevelopmental factors #ukedchat
Andy__Stokes 20:08 @davidhunter and whose action us or the pupil?#ukedchat
TeachToAll 20:08
provide opportunities for chld to learn how to learn; equip them
with skills to become independent confident life-long learners
#ukedchat
SirBlimelyWindy 20:08
RT @davidhunter: "@KempsterD: #ukedchat Recent insights into
resilience say it can be taught. Learning is a process but requires
action" that's interesting
bucharesttutor 20:08
@jayneokell @mattpearson call me old school but I like to stick to
the basics #ukedchat
jayneokell 20:09
@Andy__Stokes #ukedchat And I guess on a large scale (GCSE
assessment?) it's hard to separate out the two.
cherrylkd 20:09
@Andy__Stokes @jayneokell #ukedchat there must be
understanding to move on to next topic especially in maths &
science
SirBlimelyWindy 20:09
#ukedchat just had a comment from a non teaching friend of mine -
does the instant availability of google stop learning per se?
KempsterD 20:09
#ukedchat there are many models of learning but knowledge
transfer is 1 of the weakest. I really thrive on doing things and
making mistakes
ePaceonline 20:09
RT @stuart_g_brown: #ukedchat don't 'teach' learning, create the
best conditions for each pupil to discover how they learn in their
own way
apuustin 20:09
You learn best when you teach. Let's put students to teach things in
small scale ? #ukedchat
dan_bowen 20:09
RT @davidhunter: "@KempsterD: #ukedchat Recent insights into
resilience say it can be taught. Learning is a process but requires
action" that's interesting
ICTwitz 20:10Am I missing a point within #ukedchat tonight. Children are naturallearners, from birth. Does the school system drain this away?
KempsterD 20:10
RT @KiDu89: Learning must be seen as a continual reconstruction
of experience that considers social, psychological and
developmental factors #ukedchat
Biolady99 20:10
RT @ePaceonline: #ukedchat Place pupils at the centre of their
learning, learn to learn, teach how we learn and play to strengths.
TeachToAll 20:10
RT @ePaceonline: #ukedchat Place pupils at the centre of their
learning, learn to learn, teach how we learn and play to strengths.
aangeli 20:10
not really able to #ukedchat tonight...tinternet is a bit wobbly. Will
dip in when I can
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dan_bowen 20:10
RT @mattpearson: @bucharesttutor the traditional 3rd R is
arithmetic (thus subtly undoing the first two in a performative
paradox) #ukedchat
bucharesttutor 20:10
I believe that we can continuously learn and teach them as we long
to learn and so it's a circle of sorts #ukedchat
TeachToAll 20:10
@SirBlimelyWindy i agree its a great way to move ALL children on in
their learning no matter of ability! #ukedchat
SirBlimelyWindy 20:10
RT @ePaceonline: #ukedchat Place pupils at the centre of their
learning, learn to learn, teach how we learn and play to strengths.
Andy__Stokes 20:10
@KiDu89 agreed but i don't see any of that in our current process
of assessment unfortunately!#ukedchat
JOHNSAYERS 20:10
Learning needs to be unlocked to be chalked off so spoken, written,
demonstrated to prove it to self and others #ukedchat
mattpearson 20:11
If Michael Gove and Nick Gibb had the technology to shut this chat
down, I pretty much think they would. Learning= facts (4 them)#ukedchat
CarrotyCarrots 20:11
RT @dughall: #ukedchat Learning is far better modelled than
taught.
Stephen_Logan 20:11
Can you teach learning? Is it not about inspiring, nurturing and
encouraging students to learn for themselves. #lifelonglearning
#ukedchat
jayneokell 20:11
@apuustin #ukedchat Kagan's cooperative structures is good for
this. I love working with mixed ability groups.
aktoman 20:11
RT @stuart_g_brown: #ukedchat don't 'teach' learning, create the
best conditions for each pupil to discover how they learn in their
own way
cherrylkd 20:11
@bucharesttutor @jayneokell @mattpearson #ukedchat me too.
Without basics there can be no further learning modelled or
otherwise
AntHeald 20:11
Of course instant availability of google doesn't stop learning: need
to be able to understand, verify & contextualise the info #ukedchat
Biolady99 20:11
RT @cherrylkd: @Andy__Stokes @jayneokell #ukedchat there must
be understanding to move on to next topic especially in maths &
science
bucharesttutor 20:11
Learning also needs to be proactive as in keeping them challengedwith questions all the time so they remain focused always
#ukedchat
oldandrewuk 20:12
Teaching children to learn is about as necessary as teaching them to
breathe.Like all generic skills, it's an excuse to dumb down
#ukedchat
dan_bowen 20:12
Now going to put the kids to bed (half an hour late...I will never
learn) #ukedchat learning is for wimps. Lol
ePaceonline 20:12
#ukedchat We know lot about WHAT pupils know not about HOW
they learn, fundamental to look at cognitive functioning and brain
efficiency
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heartofsol 20:12
RT @apuustin You learn best when you teach. Let's put students to
teach things in small scale #ukedchat YES! Should be a part of all
lessons
jayneokell 20:12
@cherrylkd @andy__stokes #ukedchat Taught in Spain earlier this
year on #PGCE placement. Kids lean processes in maths for say
long...
DrSpenny 20:12
Gove and Gibb-you are giving the chuckle bros a run for theirmoney! You make me laugh! #ukedchat get up earlier you could do
more damage!
davidexeter 20:12
#ukedchat Innovation unit has some ideas... Worth a read.
http://t.co/bmaChoTw
dan_bowen 20:12
..lots of ways to learn..on own, peers, groups, practice ..oh and the
occasional adult telling you what to do..but that's boring. #ukedchat
TeachToAll 20:13
@mattpearson i completely agree. I always feel so disheartened
reading their views on ed!! #ukedchat
jayneokell 20:13
@cherrylkd @andy__stokes #ukedchat ...division, but with no
understanding of basic place value. The answers end up the same.
CarrotyCarrots 20:13 @CatherineLeP No string group = #ukedchat!
mberry 20:13
Pre-schoolers come ready-equipped knowing how to learn: it's what
they do. Not sure schooling comes so naturally #ukedchat
KempsterD 20:14
#ukedchat Teaching learning requires the 'teachee' to understand
those key aspects and skills you want them to develop and
enhance.
JOHNSAYERS 20:14
Learning best surfaced from formative assessment, presentation,
solo tax is proving a clear method to unlock WHOLE class learning
#ukedchat
mberry 20:14
RT @ICTwitz: Am I missing a point within #ukedchat... Children are
natural learners, from birth. Does the school system drain this
away?
CarrotyCarrots 20:14
RT @mberry: Pre-schoolers come ready-equipped knowing how to
learn: it's what they do. Not sure schooling comes so naturally
#ukedchat
ePaceonline 20:14
#ukedchat Every pupil processes information in different ways, 30
pupils all learning same material in many different ways.teachitso 20:14 #ukedchat Learning is what is remembered the next day.
CarrotyCarrots 20:14
You can't tell children what you want them to learn, they need to
tell you #ukedchat
bucharesttutor 20:14
@ePaceonline yes that's another nice way, show them the new
stuff and maybe compare how they evolved in the years that came
by #ukedchat
apuustin 20:14
RT @jayneokell: @apuustin #ukedchat Kagan's cooperative
structures is good for this. I love working with mixed ability groups.
KiDu89 20:14
Docendo discimus - we learn through teaching. Provideopportunities for children to teach & share ideas with lower year
groups #ukedchat
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johnccarver 20:14
RT @AntHeald: Of course instant availability of google doesn't stop
learning: need to be able to understand, verify & contextualise the
info #ukedchat
Stephen_Logan 20:14
RT @stuart_g_brown: #ukedchat don't 'teach' learning, create the
best conditions for each pupil to discover how they learn in their
own way
apuustin 20:14And let students teach us all the time. We both learn and We mustshow that to students #ukedchat
SirBlimelyWindy 20:14
@ICTwitz #ukedchat does school take learning away? maybe it
takes the ability to think away - I recommend ken robinson
changing paradigm vid
CarrotyCarrots 20:15
RT @mberry: RT @ICTwitz: Am I missing a point within #ukedchat...
Children are natural learners, from birth. Does the school system
drain this away?
vickyloras 20:15
RT @apuustin: And let students teach us all the time. We both learn
and We must show that to students #ukedchat
cherrylkd 20:15@jayneokell #ukedchat arriving at correct answer isn't real learningis it? No skill learnt for later life.
oldandrewuk 20:15
RT @AntHeald: Of course instant availability of google doesn't stop
learning: need to be able to understand, verify & contextualise the
info #ukedchat
apuustin 20:15
RT @heartofsol: RT @apuustin You learn best when you teach. Let's
put students to teach things in small scale #ukedchat YES! Should be
a part of all lessons
jayneokell 20:16
@CarrotyCarrots #ukedchat Would be great if our curriculum
wasn't so vast!
MrsVictorM 20:16
@SirBlimelyWindy #ukedchat Best learning comes from
inspirational & captivating teachers.
JOHNSAYERS 20:16
How do we show we've learn't something? We get excited a tweet
is or spread the word about it. #ukedchat
KempsterD 20:16
RT @mberry Pre-schoolers come ready-equipped knwing how to
learn: it's what they do. Not sure schooling comes so naturally
#ukedchat so true
oldandrewuk 20:16 @mattpearson Maybe in your lessons.... #ukedchat
SirBlimelyWindy 20:17
RT @jayneokell: @CarrotyCarrots #ukedchat Would be great if our
curriculum wasn't so vast!
apuustin 20:17
the best and the fresh ideas come from kids and students not from
us #ukedchat
heartofsol 20:17
RT @stuart_g_brown: #ukedchat don't 'teach' learning, create the
best conditions for each pupil to discover how they learn in their
own way
KempsterD 20:17
RT @mberry Am I missing a point within #ukedchat... Children are
natural learners, from birth. Does the school system drain this
away?> YES
KiDu89 20:17
RT @ePaceonline: #ukedchat Place pupils at the centre of their
learning, learn to learn, teach how we learn and play to strengths.
SirBlimelyWindy 20:17
#ukedchat the google thing was that maybe the instantaneousavailability of info means facts are used but not learned, as can re-
google
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ePaceonline 20:17
#ukedchat # Once a pupil knows more about how they learn they
become 'learning partners', and begin to take charge of learning
process
smurfatik 20:18
I find telling students the reason or purpose behind activities &
techniques, why I chose them, helps them learn how to learn
#ukedchat
SirBlimelyWindy 20:18
RT @ICTwitz: Sometimes the answer isn't the learning. It's theprocess of how you got to the answer #ukedchat But our system
doesn't promote this :-(
mberry 20:18
@MrsVictorM I wonder. There's so much I've learnt through
experiment and discussion with peers, without a 'teacher'.
#ukedchat
bucharesttutor 20:18
Ok dear people in #ukedchat need to go as otherwise kiddo will not
sleep, have a lovely evening all. God Bless all and dear @csgant
SirBlimelyWindy 20:18
#ukedchat the Ken Robinson speech on changing paradigms is here -
recomended http://t.co/99znQFch
vickyloras 20:18
RT @apuustin: the best and the fresh ideas come from kids and
students not from us #ukedchat
cherrylkd 20:18
@KiDu89 #ukedchat agree. Early numeracy strategy starter was
based on this, worked well for lower ability. Learnt from higher
ability
ICTwitz 20:18
Sometimes the answer isn't the learning. It's the process of how you
got to the answer #ukedchat But our system doesn't promote this :-
(
oldandrewuk 20:18 @ePaceonline Not true. http://t.co/zSYMjbdd #ukedchat
smurfatik 20:19
also modelling how I personally learn new things encourages them
to think more about how they learn #ukedchat
cherrylkd 20:19
@Andy__Stokes #ukedchat maybe because they have no
understanding of place value. Seriously, it's a tough topic tonight
oldandrewuk 20:19
@ICTwitz I think that's because it's not true. #ukedchat We actually
need to know stuff, not just how to find out stuff.
ePaceonline 20:19
RT @ICTwitz: Sometimes the answer isn't the learning. It's the
process of how you got to the answer #ukedchat But our system
doesn't promote this :-(
apuustin 20:19RT @CarrotyCarrots: You can't tell children what you want them tolearn, they need to tell you #ukedchat
CarrotyCarrots 20:19
Surely the best learning takes place when children don't realise they
are learning? #ukedchat
ICTwitz 20:20 @oldandrewuk Don't they go hand in hand? #ukedchat
ePaceonline 20:20
RT @JOHNSAYERS: Teach a variety of methods of how to unlock
learning and then reduce the teacher input and hopefully see
students flourish. #ukedchat
apuustin 20:20
RT @ePaceonline: #ukedchat # Once a pupil knows more about
how they learn they become 'learning partners', and begin to take
charge of learning process
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JOHNSAYERS 20:20
Teach a variety of methods of how to unlock learning and then
reduce the teacher input and hopefully see students flourish.
#ukedchat
TeacherToolkit 20:20 Bloom's #UKEdChat
KempsterD 20:20
#ukedchat @mberry Miles is right, chldrn are natural learners and
school bashes this out of them. However, teachers can enhance nat
lrning
MsELH 20:21
They've asked me to recommend another book for them; I feel
pressured because Woman in Black is SO fantastic. Any ideas
twitter? #ukedchat
amazingict 20:21
One answer is to provide the tools (eg audacity +mic) some web
space...lots of ENTHUSIASM and then stand back... #ukedchat
heartofsol 20:21
Learning happens for two reasons: either you WANT to or you HAVE
to. But do both require different methods as well? #ukedchat
davidexeter 20:21#ukedchat Memorable, meaningful and motivational learning usingthe outdoors; in adventure and exploration.
SirBlimelyWindy 20:21
RT @ePaceonline: #ukedchat # Once a pupil knows more about
how they learn they become 'learning partners', and begin to take
charge of learning process
oldandrewuk 20:21
@CarrotyCarrots Saying "surely" before a dubious claim doesn't
make it more credible. #ukedchat
susiehiley 20:22
@ICTwitz In many cases,yes, but certain teaching methods eg
mantle of the expert& forest schools are trying 2 change this
#ukedchat
oldandrewuk 20:22
@KempsterD @mberry #ukedchat Children are natural learners, but
schools also make children think, and that's less natural.
mberry 20:22
@KempsterD 'enhance' would be cool, but 'permit' would be a
start. Part of our role is broadening horizons. #ukedchat
TeacherToolkit 20:22
@CarrotyCarrots no far from it. #ofsted need students to
understand what, why, how, they are learning... #UKEdChat
cherrylkd 20:22
@SirBlimelyWindy #ukedchat possibly depends on reason for
googling. If interest is there they will learn, if not they re google.
SirBlimelyWindy 20:22#ukedchat sorry, reading a lot of wonderful tweets here - keep it up -got a related question at 8:30
Andy__Stokes 20:23
RT @Andy__Stokes: Thought mind mapping might be useful for
year 11 revision ? "But we don't need to understand sir just
remember" #ukedchat
ICTwitz 20:23
@susiehiley Indeed, and the EYFS. It all goes messy from KS1
onwards ;-) #ukedchat
Theresauno 20:23
@ukedchat Capacity 2 learn inherent -teachers mst inspire n allow
thort n reflection rather than loads of info. #ukedchat
#justmyopinion
CarrotyCarrots 20:23Children are learning all the time. I could have 100 WALTs andWILFs for every lesson. #ukedchat
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apuustin 20:23
Find new learning environment where students are naturally,
Facebook, cafes, homes, Friends #ukedchat
schoolsict 20:23
RT @JOHNSAYERS: Teach a lots of methods of how to unlock
learning & then reduce the teacher input. #ukedchat Is it??
oldandrewuk 20:24
@ICTwitz #ukedchat Not with children, no. There's far more basic
knowledge than "finding out skills" to learn.
Andy__Stokes 20:24
RT @Andy__Stokes: @cherrylkd if that's true then why do so many
A star students drop out at A level because its too hard!#ukedchat
SirBlimelyWindy 20:24
RT @CarrotyCarrots: Children are learning all the time. I could have
100 WALTs and WILFs for every lesson. #ukedchat
DimitrisPt 20:25
RT @apuustin: You learn best when you teach. Let's put students to
teach things in small scale ? #ukedchat
JOHNSAYERS 20:25
One strategy I love is giving students ICT programs/web2.0 sites to
students to EXPLORE, present findings n evaluate use to self
#ukedchat
ufasarah 20:25
Research into peer tutoring shows that yp in role of ZpT learn as
much if not more than tutees because they get the process more#ukedchat
SirBlimelyWindy 20:25
RT @ePaceonline: #ukedchat Think it's fundamental for pupils to
understand learning process and how they learn. Great teaching
lost without great learning.
apuustin 20:25
RT @ViciaScience: Teach children how to learn by modelling the
process for them. Discuss your own ongoing professional learning
#ukedchat
cherrylkd 20:25
@CarrotyCarrots #ukedchat are we back to the EYFS again? They
learn very well through play with peers. Peers as teachers and
learners
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Andy__Stokes 20:25
RT @Andy__Stokes: @SirBlimelyWindy do we teach learners to
learn, or do we create the conditions for them to teach
themselves? #ukedchat
ePaceonline 20:25
#ukedchat Involve pupils in their own learning. Teaching and
learning need to be symbiotic.
schoolsict 20:25
RT @apuustin: Find learning environment where students are
naturally, Facebook, cafes, homes, Friends #ukedchat < Engagewithout barriers
agarridodiez 20:25
@apuustin: You learn best when you teach. Let's put students
to teach things in small scale! #ukedchat #edchat #education
SirBlimelyWindy 20:25 @Andy__Stokes #ukedchat my next question is related to that
ViciaScience 20:25
Teach children how to learn by modelling the process for them.
Discuss your own ongoing professional learning #ukedchat
KempsterD 20:26#ukedchat 'Thinking caps on' a well repeated phrase in class. I say,they should never be taken off! ;-)
SirBlimelyWindy 20:26
@Andy__Stokes #ukedchat well creating the conditions involves
teaching the learning skills I think
ufasarah 20:26
If youre interested in peer tutoring My latest blogpost The Power of
Peer Tutoring wp.me/p1L0eE-i #ukedchat
Smichael920 20:26
RT @AntHeald: Of course instant availability of google doesn't stop
learning: need to be able to understand, verify & contextualise the
info #ukedchat
mberry 20:26
@ePaceonline without great learning, not sure that it could
reasonably be described as great teaching. #ukedchat
oldandrewuk 20:26
@ePaceonline #ukedchat But most teachers don't even understand
that.Many believe in "learning styles" or that children learn more
when happy
ICTmagic 20:26
RT @SirBlimelyWindy: #ukedchat the Ken Robinson speech on
changing paradigms is here - recomended http://t.co/99znQFch
Andy__Stokes 20:26
sorry just realised id been using the wrong hashtag derrr!!!
#ukedchat
mberry 20:26
RT @Theresauno: @ukedchat Capacity 2 learn inherent -teachers
mst inspire n allow thort n reflection rather than loads of info.
#ukedchat
heartofsol 20:26
RT @apuustin And let students teach us all the time. We both learn
and We must show that to students #ukedchat
ICTwitz 20:26 @oldandrewuk Wow. #ukedchat How could I have got it so wrong?
SirBlimelyWindy 20:27
RT @KempsterD: #ukedchat 'Thinking caps on' a well repeated
phrase in class. I say, they should never be taken off! ;-)
apuustin 20:27
teachers should imagine students age. What areas are They
interested and link teaching to that #ukedchat
Andy__Stokes 20:27 @mattpearson true but i still dont understand! 'ukedchat
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KiDu89 20:27
@heartofsol In a way yes -different methods of motivation. 'Want
to' is not as dependent on extrinsic motivation as the 'have to'.
#ukedchat
mattpearson 20:27
@oldandrewuk do you think unhappy children learn better than
happy ones (serious question) #ukedchat
oldandrewuk 20:27
@ICTwitz #ukedchat Presumably, you have just never thought to
challenge trendy ideas.
mattpearson 20:27
@Andy__Stokes there you go, you learned something. Easy as
that!! :-) #ukedchat
Ilotimo 20:27
RT @apuustin: You learn best when you teach. Let's put students to
teach things in small scale ? #ukedchat
ICTwitz 20:28
@oldandrewuk I'm enlightened, my head must have been stuck in
the sands of child centred learning all these years ;-) #ukedchat
oldandrewuk 20:28 @KempsterD @mberry #ukedchat Yes. Google "Dan Willingham".
apuustin 20:28RT @ePaceonline: #ukedchat Involve pupils in their own learning.Teaching and learning need to be symbiotic.
ufasarah 20:28
Sorry just joining #ukedchat late ... We try to lift the process of
learning up so that it's visible - make it explicit!
CarrotyCarrots 20:29
@TeacherToolkit Is it important that a 4yo need to be constantly
aware of what they are learning? Can't they just get on with it?
#ukedchat
SheliBB 20:29
@schoolsict @johnsayers mantle of the expert/enquiries have
much less teacher input #ukedchat teacher can observe, assess and
question
cazbrader 20:29
RT @ufasarah: If youre interested in peer tutoring My latest
blogpost The Power of Peer Tutoring wp.me/p1L0eE-i #ukedchat
SirBlimelyWindy 20:29
#ukedchat ok, does the curriculum narrow the required 'knowledge'
purely to that required to pass the exam? should we challenge this?
apuustin 20:29
RT @JOHNSAYERS: One strategy I love is giving students ICT
programs/web2.0 sites to students to EXPLORE, present findings n
evaluate use to self #ukedchat
ukedchat 20:30
RT @SirBlimelyWindy: #ukedchat ok, does the curriculum narrow
the required 'knowledge' purely to that required to pass the exam?
mattbuxton10 20:30
As teacher ask good questions to lead towards knowledge in the
Socratic style; #ukedchat
ePaceonline 20:30
@oldandrewuk #ukedchat teachers should know about whole
learning process & pedagogy, how can we teach if we don't know
how pupils learn?
oldandrewuk 20:30
@SirBlimelyWindy #ukedchat That's only an issue in schools where
the kids learn so little that they won't pass the exam without that
focus.
schoolsict 20:30
Is teaching learning in one direction and is researching learning in
any direction? #ukedchat
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dan_bowen 20:30
RT @mberry: RT @ICTwitz: Am I missing a point within #ukedchat...
Children are natural learners, from birth. Does the school system
drain this away?
apuustin 20:31
It could be brilliant teamwork. get know your students and their
strenghts #ukedchat
dan_bowen 20:31
RT @ePaceonline: #ukedchat # Once a pupil knows more about
how they learn they become 'learning partners', and begin to takecharge of learning process
KempsterD 20:31
RT @SirBlimelyWindy #ukedchat ok, does the curriculum narrow
the required 'knowledge' should we challenge this? > every day in
every way...
AntHeald 20:31
RT @CarrotyCarrots: You can't tell children what you want them to
learn, they need to tell you #ukedchat
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jayneokell 20:33
@cherrylkd #ukedchat They have learned the process but have no
understanding of why it works. That's the difference between the
two.
Biolady99 20:33
RT @ViciaScience: Teach children how to learn by modelling the
process for them. Discuss your own ongoing professional learning
#ukedchat
literacylender 20:34
#ukedchat it's important we teach children skills of a good learner.
Being inquisitive, curious, interested in learning new facts!
KempsterD 20:34
#ukedchat If u take the BLP 4 areas of learning it's as gd a place 2
start with a class/school. Then build on it but dnt do it to be trendy
Theresauno 20:34
@CarrotyCarrots I agree. Learning is about self-awareness -
engaging in society not just mimicking it #ukedchat
@TeacherToolkit
alexgingell 20:34Sorry not to be joining y'all for #ukedchat this eve - looks like a goodone! Will be catching up later this weeked :) Enjoy!
oldandrewuk 20:34
@apuustin @mattbuxton10 #ukedchat According to Plato, Socrates
often used questioning to humiliate people while his students
watched.
heartofsol 20:34
Is it possible for a teacher and his class to learn something new
together? With both parties on almost equal footing? #ukedchat
Biolady99 20:34
RT @teachitso: #ukedchat Learning is what is remembered the next
day.
ICTwitz 20:35
RT @ePaceonline: @oldandrewuk #ukedchat what is your
experience of teachers being 'lied to' about the psychology of
learning?
eyespeakbrasil 20:35 Hi from Brazil #ukedchat !
TeacherToolkit 20:35
RT @Theresauno: @CarrotyCarrots I agree. Learning is about self-
awareness - engaging in society not just mimicking it #ukedchat
@TeacherToolkit
ePaceonline 20:35
@oldandrewuk #ukedchat what is your experience of teachers
being 'lied to' about the psychology of learning?
dan_bowen 20:35
RT @ICTwitz: Sometimes the answer isn't the learning. It's the
process of how you got to the answer #ukedchat But our system
doesn't promote this :-(
Andy__Stokes 20:35
@heartofsol now were talking that's teaching learning skills!!
#ukedchat
oldandrewuk 20:35
@heartofsol #ukedchat Only if the teacher is really, really bad at
their subject.
cherrylkd 20:36
@heartofsol #ukedchat it is with digital technology. Lots of new
things to discover almost daily teacher & class could do together
creativeartsco 20:36
#ukedchat narrows the knowledge for the exam? It narrows
opportunities for children to experiment with learning
@sirblimelywindyjayneokell 20:36 @heartofsol #ukedchat gained an insight into their culture.
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SirBlimelyWindy 20:36
a teacher never knows everything and should be prepared to learn
#ukedchat
jayneokell 20:36
@heartofsol #ukedchat Definitely. I did a series of lessons on Islam
with y1 chn. Lots of them shared their experiences of Eid and I.
SheliBB 20:36@heartofsol easy in primary classroom, that's often how I teach(topics, can do the maths of course, they're only 6!) #ukedchat
SheliBB 20:37
@SirBlimelyWindy: a teacher never knows everything and
should be prepared to learn #ukedchat definitely! love learning
alongside children
Ilotimo 20:37
Check Team Academy http://t.co/naWbKz57 in Finland, 4 year of
#pbl for students there #pbl #pblchat #edchat #ukedchat #cpchat
C4History 20:37 On a PGCE Year when should you start looking for a job? #ukedchat
TeachToAll 20:37RT @SirBlimelyWindy: a teacher never knows everything and shouldbe prepared to learn #ukedchat
jayneokell 20:37
@Andy__Stokes @heartofsol #ukedchat but as a teacher, your
skills need to change and adapt constantly.
SirBlimelyWindy 20:37
RT @creativeartsco: #ukedchat narrows the knowledge for the
exam? It narrows opportunities for children to experiment with
learning @sirblimelywindy
Heatherleatt 20:37
@sirblimelywindy It doesn't have to. You can teach what's needed
for the exam wrapped up in challenging stuff. Don't use txt bks
#ukedchat
ePaceonline 20:37
@oldandrewuk #ukedchat this in my opinion is not a good way of
bringing out the best in pupils, see it a form of bullying Socrates or
not.
Theresauno 20:37
@heartofsol I believe so - each child is an individual n we r all
constantly learning IMO #ukedchat @ukedchat
schoolsict 20:37
RT @SirBlimelyWindy: a teacher never knows everything and should
be prepared to learn #ukedchat < so true but i know so many that
wont.
apuustin 20:38
Never humiliete student or you lose the game. Allways two winners
#ukedchat
oldandrewuk 20:38
RT @jackieschneider: @ePaceonline @oldandrewuk - you should
read @bengoldacre on the rubbish pedalled in "acceleratedlearning' #ukedchat
ePaceonline 20:38
@KempsterD #ukedchat , I agree BLP an excellent way forward.
Please also look at ePace, it looks at how pupils learn with online
assessment.
heartofsol 20:38
Good point @KiDu89 - want or need? which will led to "better"
learning, and how do we take advantage of it? #ukedchat
oldandrewuk 20:38
@ePaceonline Learning Styles; Brain Gym; BLP; inquiry learning;
groupwork, (most forms of) Bloom's taxonomy; thinking skills.
#ukedchat
Andy__Stokes 20:38
@apuustin does it? or when we find an answer do we not just stop
looking and move on? #ukedchat
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jackieschneider 20:38
@ePaceonline @oldandrewuk - you should read @bengoldacre on
the rubbish pedalled in "accelerated learning' #ukedchat
mberry 20:38
RT @SirBlimelyWindy teacher never knows everything & should be
prepared to learn #ukedchat < review tonight's tweets with teacher
as learner
Theresauno 20:38
RT @ePaceonline: @oldandrewuk #ukedchat teachers should knowabout whole learning process & pedagogy, how can we teach if we
don't know how pupils learn?
Heatherleatt 20:38
RT @Andy__Stokes: @apuustin what if questions led to more
questions and the knowledge was merely a bi product? #ukedchat
ukedchat 20:38
RT @SirBlimelyWindy: a teacher never knows everything and should
be prepared to learn #ukedchat
ePaceonline 20:39
@oldandrewuk #ukedchat, it would seem that because you don't
believe in these approaches that they are lies, they are all legitimate
methods
ICTwitz 20:39
@oldandrewuk Unable to work out whether you are joking or not
#ukedchat Playing devils advocate to encourage discussion?
CarrotyCarrots 20:39
RT @schoolsict:RT @SirBlimelyWindy:a teacher never knows
everything and should be prepared to learn #ukedchat
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ICTwitz 20:41
@literacylender I agree. I make out that I don't know much, being
part of pupils learning adventure #ukedchat
apuustin 20:41 Now to bed. it was Great discussions. Thank you all ! #ukedchat
ePaceonline 20:41
RT @SirBlimelyWindy: a teacher never knows everything and should
be prepared to learn #ukedchat
KempsterD 20:41RT @ePaceonline #ukedchat , I agree BLP an excellent way forward.Please also look at ePace.... > will do. Thanks
jackieschneider 20:41
#ukedchat - seems a funny old discussion tonight. Finding it hard to
get a handle on it
oldandrewuk 20:41
@SirBlimelyWindy #ukedchat Something wrong if they are having
to learn subject knowledge from their students.
JOHNSAYERS 20:41
I give students access to a learning and teaching blog and various
tech / program news sites to almost find ideas before me #ukedchat
mberry 20:41
@MrsVictorM not sure Pied Piper is quite the role model for the
profession we should have in mind ;-) #ukedchat
Andy__Stokes 20:41
@mberry so we just play the game then !! Is this really why we all
went into teaching?#ukedchat
OmarKettlewell 20:42
RT @ukedchat: RT @SirBlimelyWindy: a teacher never knows
everything and should be prepared to learn #ukedchat
heartofsol 20:42
@oldandrewuk there are many situations where a teacher & class
will be new to a topic - nothing to do with "bad" at a subject
#ukedchat
JOHNSAYERS 20:42
Students write programs web2.0 tools on windows with whiteboard
pens for others to explore for ALL to experiment #ukedchat
SirBlimelyWindy 20:42
@oldandrewuk #ukedchat of course not subject knowledge, but if
there is a new way of looking at sth, maybe T and S can explore
together
Heatherleatt 20:42 #ukedchat it's all about learning -
oldandrewuk 20:42
@mattbuxton10 @ePaceonline #ukedchat Have you read it? He
didn't get made to drink hemlock because they appreciated being
taught.
KiDu89 20:42
@heartofsol The 'want' will lead to better learning. If u dont want
to do something, u put less effort into it thus get less out.
#ukedchat
SheliBB 20:42
@ukedchat @sirblimelywindy too many teachers feel that they
*have* to be the expert. Why? Need to change that kind of thinking
#ukedchat
suomitrendit 20:42 Nyt pinnalla: #ukedchat
cherrylkd 20:43
#ukedchat @oldandrewuk @sirblimelywindy if its not their own
subject the ch may have superior knowledge. Cultural differences,
religion etc
Biolady99 20:43
RT @ukedchat: RT @SirBlimelyWindy: a teacher never knows
everything and should be prepared to learn #ukedchat
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jackieschneider 20:43
RT @ICTwitz: Am I missing a point within #ukedchat tonight.
Children are natural learners, from birth. Does the school system
drain this away?
SheliBB 20:43
@dukkhaboy @johnsayers http://t.co/4ReoKBBh scroll down a wee
bit to see what I did, too long to tweet! #ukedchat
SirBlimelyWindy 20:43 RT @Heatherleatt: #ukedchat it's all about learning -
creativeartsco 20:43
@PrimaryIdeas @literacylender theres a chat about how to
facilitate learning on #ukedchat now... Hopefully will turn out quite
interesting
jackieschneider 20:44
@ICTwitz - I couldn't agree more. Kids often learn DESPITE school
not because of it #ukedchat
jodieworld 20:44
I have never met a child who doesn't want to learn...they just don't
always want to learn what I/the curriculum want them to!
#ukedchat
agarridodiez 20:44
@ePaceonline @apuustin these are precisely the benefits of
assessment for learning. #A4learn #ukedchat #edchat
literacylender 20:44
#ukedchat I give my class the opportunity to teach me something
new.Short session each week,but children love fact they teach me
new things
mberry 20:44
@Andy__Stokes not me, but I suspect it's why some leave the
profession :-( Open minded heads and gifted teachers make a
difference #ukedchat
SheliBB 20:44
@dukkhaboy @johnsayers I do know kodu well though (made
@GameOfThrones word!) but you don't need to as there are
tutorials #ukedchat
KempsterD 20:44
#ukedchat Dan Buckley did some great work on the breaking down
of the PLTS. It sort of disappeared though. Is it still out there?
mberry 20:45
@MrsVictorM Yes indeed. Don't dispute that gifted, inspirational,
captivating teachers have a huge impact. #ukedchat
ICTwitz 20:45
@jackieschneider Excellent #ukedchat We try to compartmentalise
pupils as soon as they step through the door!
Heatherleatt 20:45 @SirBlimelyWindy text books? #ukedchat
aangeli 20:45
RT @jodieworld: I have never met a child who doesn't want to
learn...they just don't always want to learn what I/the curriculumwant them to! #ukedchat
heartofsol 20:45
@SheliBB how important is it for students to know that their
teacher is still learning things? Very or very very?? #ukedchat
TeacherToolkit 20:45
So has ANYONE tweeted anything useful on #L2L Learning To Learn
tonight? #ukedchat
Andy__Stokes 20:45
@Heatherleatt true but does our system of examinations genuinely
imply a variety of answers ? #ukedchat
Educationchat 20:46Sutton Trust report recently claimed children learning to learn madea huge impact on their academic progress. Vital. #ukedchat
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CarrotyCarrots 20:46
RT @jodieworld: I have never met a child who doesn't want to
learn...they just don't always want to learn what I/the curriculum
want them to! #ukedchat
ICTwitz 20:46
@TeacherToolkit Apparently, it's all a load of rubbish #ukedchat So
say @oldandrewuk
KempsterD 20:46
RT @jodieworld I have never met a child who doesn't want to
learn...they just don't always want to learn what..... #ukedchat > sotrue
MrWickensPE 20:46
Finally can join the last 15 mins of #ukedchat. What is todays topic
please?
oldandrewuk 20:46
@cherrylkd @sirblimelywindy #ukedchat which is why subject
specialisms are so important.
SirBlimelyWindy 20:46
@Heatherleatt yep - textbooks are a tool for occasional use - not
the bible, as it were #ukedchat
KiDu89 20:46
@heartofsol Take adv by asking chn what they want to learn when
introducing any new topic & how they think they'll learn it best
#ukedchat
KiDu89 20:46
@heartofsol Take adv by asking chn what they want to learn when
introducing any new topic & how they think they'll learn it best
#ukedchat
Andy__Stokes 20:47
@mberry they do but all to often face the challenges of
performativity, constantly compromising on core beliefs and
values#ukedchat
creativeartsco 20:47
RT @KiDu89: @heartofsol Take adv by asking chn what they want
to learn when introducing any new topic & how they think they'll
learn it best #ukedchat
oldandrewuk 20:47
@heartofsol #ukedchat Teachers should not be new to a topic. If
they are, there is something wrong with the topic or the teacher.
SheliBB 20:47
@literacylender @ePaceonline we should model those skills. I
regularly tell my children that I love learning, reading, maths etc
#ukedchat
Heatherleatt 20:47
@Andy__Stokes the exams don't but doesn't mean that teachers
shouldn't #ukedchat
SirBlimelyWindy 20:48
RT @KiDu89: @heartofsol Take adv by asking chn what they want
to learn when introducing any new topic & how they think they'll
learn it best #ukedchat
ePaceonline 20:48
RT @SheliBB: @ukedchat @sirblimelywindy too many teachers feelthat they *have* to be the expert. Why? Need to change that kind
of thinking #ukedchat
ePaceonline 20:48
RT @ICTwitz: @literacylender I agree. I make out that I don't know
much, being part of pupils learning adventure #ukedchat
ePaceonline 20:49
RT @literacylender: #ukedchat I give my class the opportunity to
teach me something new.Short session each week,but children love
fact they teach me new things
heartofsol 20:49@KiDu89 ok, so WANT is better. How do we get kids to want tolearn the lessons currently being taught? #ukedchat
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jayneokell 20:49
@SheliBB @literacylender @epaceonline #ukedchat Met a head
who would get a book out when his class had quiet reading time to
encourage kids.
oldandrewuk 20:49
@ICTwitz @TeacherToolkit #ukedchat It is. It's all just dumbing-
down wrapped up jargon. http://t.co/3jKHagJi
cherrylkd 20:49
@oldandrewuk #ukedchat but subject specialism is not compulsory
in primary. Can't be master of all 11 subjects no matter how good ateacher
Educationchat 20:50
@oldandrewuk @heartofsol Couldn't disagree more. Teachers need
only be one step ahead of pupils. Always new things to teach/learn.
#ukedchat
oldandrewuk 20:50
@ePaceonline #ukedchat They are lies because they misrepresent
basic facts of psychology.
alomshaha 20:50
RT @GiftedPhoenix: OFQUAL's detailed Q and A on the implications
of yesterday's changes to GCSE marking and modularity -
http://t.co/iBAFDnWs #ukedchat
KempsterD 20:50
#ukedchat I still see far too much didactic teaching and it is going to
get worse under Gove. I despair sometimes. Education factories...
jayneokell 20:50
@cherrylkd @oldandrewuk #ukedchat But speaking as a specialist
in pri, I want to have a class and get to know them. This is why I
teach pri.
KiDu89 20:50
RT @cherrylkd: @oldandrewuk #ukedchat but subject specialism is
not compulsory in primary. Can't be master of all 11 subjects no
matter how good a teacher
Jon_Torbitt 20:50
@ICTwitz: Sometimes the answer isn't the learning. It's the
process of how you got to the answer #ukedchat all about league
tables sadly
agarridodiez 20:50
Feedback to pupils leads to new learning and helps both teachers &
learners to take further steps when planning. #ukedchat
mattbuxton10 20:50
@oldandrewuk @ePaceonline Yes I've read it; and I don't recall him
being killed for being a bully #ukedchat
SheliBB 20:50
@heartofsol very very very! They should grow up knowing that
learning is lifelong, that no~one is expert at everything #ukedchat
jodieworld 20:50I like to find things out with the children i.e. Y3 - Ancient Egypt. Buttop set Y5 maths you HAVE to know your stuff! #ukedchat
JOHNSAYERS 20:50
@SirBlimelyWindy a teacher never knows everything and should be
prepared to learn #ukedchat I often ask em t teach me other
subject learning
oldandrewuk 20:51
@ICTwitz #ukedchat I know it's hard to believe, but some teachers
are capable of challenging jargon and gimmicks.
agarridodiez 20:51
Thus, planning and assessment are interdependent processes.
#ukedchat
ufasarah 20:51
RT @heartofsol: @SheliBB how important is it for students to know
that their teacher is still learning things? Very or very very??#ukedchat
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sonicwaffled 20:51
@literacylender my reception class love it when I get things wrong!
They take great pride in correcting my mistakes :) #ukedchat
ePaceonline 20:51
RT @Educationchat: Sutton Trust report recently claimed children
learning to learn made a huge impact on their academic progress.
Vital. #ukedchat
creativeartsco 20:51
@oldandrewuk can you not join in with your chdn on research?What if u discover something new - do u cont tht research or move
on #ukedchat
ufasarah 20:51
RT @literacylender: #ukedchat I give my class the opportunity to
teach me something new.Short session each week,but children love
fact they teach me new things
mattpearson 20:51
the chat this evening illuminated something of the mystery about
what gets learned (or not) at school. #ukedchat
Andy__Stokes 20:51
@heartofsol : The skillful art of manipulation through effective
engage? #ukedchat
SirBlimelyWindy 20:51
RT @Jon_Torbitt: @ICTwitz: Sometimes the answer isn't thelearning. It's the process of how you got to the answer #ukedchat
all about league tables sadly
KempsterD 20:52
RT @KiDu89 RT @cherrylkd: @oldandrewuk #ukedchat but subject
specialism is not compulsory in primary.> how did subjects come
about and why?
sonicwaffled 20:52 @jodieworld that's why I love :D #earlyyears! #ukedchat
cherrylkd 20:52
@jayneokell #ukedchat I'm sure u do. But can u honestly say u
know everything about the subjects u don't specialise in ?
creativeartsco 20:52
@educationchat was tht thru learn2learn, experiential learning...?
How'd they go about it? #ukedchat
Educationchat 20:52
RT @KempsterD: #ukedchat I still see far too much didactic
teaching and it is going to get worse under Gove. I despair
sometimes. Education factories...
KiDu89 20:52
@heartofsol It's all in the level of enthusiasm shown by the teacher
in the delivery of the lesson. Kids feed off of our energy #ukedchat
SheliBB 20:52
@jayneokell @literacylender @epaceonline I usually do art, DT,
writing and research alongside the children #ukedchat and if course
drama!
Andy__Stokes 20:53 @KiDu89 so it all comes back to effective engagement? #ukedchat
JulieKaine 20:53
Give a 14 year old boy an icing pen #ukedchat learning through
doinghttp://yfrog.com/h3m69kij
oldandrewuk 20:53
@mattbuxton10 @ePaceonline #ukedchat Never said it was
bullying. He was humiliating the powerful. Just don't want it done to
kids.
Jon_Torbitt 20:53
@KiDu89: It's all in level of enthusiasm shown by the teacher in
delivery of lesson. Kids feed off of our energy #ukedchat Totally
agree!
creativeartsco 20:53@jodieworld couldnt agree more! But could is also be to do withthe Learning style you're utilising? #ukedchat
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ePaceonline 20:53
@Educationchat #ukedchat - indeed learning to learn is highlighted
as one of the things that work in Sutton Report.
CarrotyCarrots 20:53
@literacylender my reception class love it when I get things wrong!
They take great pride in correcting my mistakes :) #ukedchat >
Ditto!
Vickycarl 20:53
@Educationchat @oldandrewuk I agree, I often learn with the
children, it makes them feel special when they tell me new things#ukedchat
jodieworld 20:53
@sonicwaffled Hahaha! But you need an in-depth Lego knowledge
to really accelerate their learning! ;-) #ukedchat
ICTwitz 20:53 @oldandrewuk It's all a battle to survive #ukedchat
SheliBB 20:53
When you teach through mante of the expert the children lead the
direction of the learning, so you cannot be the expert #ukedchat
jayneokell 20:53 @agarridodiez #ukedchat Really?
heartofsol 20:53
Interesting - @shelibb @oldandrewuk should teachers be experts or
is ok if they are not? #ukedchat
mberry 20:54
RT @jodieworld: I like to find things out with the children eg Y3
Ancient Egypt. But top set Y5 maths you HAVE to know your stuff!
#ukedchat
SirBlimelyWindy 20:54
RT @Andy__Stokes: @KiDu89 so it all comes back to effective
engagement? #ukedchat
jodieworld 20:54
@creativeartsco I think it's more about having secure subject
knowledge which allows me to cater for all learning styles
#ukedchat
heartofsol 20:54
@oldandrewuk I dont think its possible for a teacher to know
everything. I also think its ok to learn from students. #ukedchat
SheliBB 20:54
And mantle of the expert assumes that the children *are*the
experts #ukedchat #rolereversal
ufasarah 20:54
Learning about the process of learning is crucial. And each new
learning experience means you learn more about learning &
yourself #ukedchat
creativeartsco 20:55
@sheliBB mantle of the expert is a wonderful tool... Some are shy
of the technique though and I'd love to know why... #ukedchat
heartofsol 20:55
@oldandrewuk I also think its fine if you are corrected by your
students if you make a mistake. Gives them precious confidence#ukedchat
Andy__Stokes 20:55 @ufasarah implicitly or explicitly?#ukedchat
Heatherleatt 20:55
RT @ufasarah: Learning about the process of learning is crucial. And
each new learning experience means you learn more about learning
& yourself #ukedchat
oldandrewuk 20:55
#ukedchat Second section of this give my views on learning to learn
http://t.co/3jKHagJi
ufasarah 20:55
RT @KempsterD: #ukedchat I still see far too much didactic
teaching and it is going to get worse under Gove. I despair
sometimes. Education factories...
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cherrylkd 20:55
RT @jodieworld: like 2 find things out with children i.e. Y3 -
Ancient Egypt. But top set Y5 maths u HAVE to know your stuff!
#ukedchat
ukedchat 20:55
There will be no official #ukedchat discussion next week. #asechat
takes over #ukedchat on 29 Dec. Vote open http://t.co/2N9vieTU
Educationchat 20:55
@oldandrewuk @ICTwitz And some think things which are not
jargon and gimmicks are jargon and gimmicks. #ukedchat
ePaceonline 20:56
RT @agarridodiez: Feedback to pupils leads to new learning and
helps both teachers & learners to take further steps when planning.
#ukedchat
cherrylkd 20:56
@sonicwaffled #ukedchat it always returns to EYFS. They have it
spot on there
oldandrewuk 20:56
RT @AntHeald: RT @CarrotyCarrots: You can't tell children what
you want them to learn, they need to tell you #ukedchat
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Knightman1986 20:58
RT @jodieworld: I have never met a child who doesn't want to
learn...they just don't always want to learn what I/the curriculum
want them to! #ukedchat
KempsterD 20:58
Teachmeet South London #tmslondon on 1st March 2012 in
Croydon. Sign up here http://t.co/QQoAZ9IC Would love to see you
there. #ukedchat
SirBlimelyWindy 20:58
RT @ePaceonline: @KempsterD #ukedchat. I am sure you've seen
Ken Robinson's Paradigm on You Tube. < I linked to it earlier
jayneokell 20:58
@cherrylkd #ukedchat No I can't say that. I'm an NQT so my
knowledge in geog and hist in particular is not good. It will improve
as I
heartofsol 20:58
RT @oldandrewuk @heartofsol Couldn't disagree more. Teachers
need to be one step ahead of pupils #ukedchat agree or disagree?
SirBlimelyWindy 20:58
RT @Heatherleatt: Got to stop edu being like a sausage factory -
kids deserve so much better and it's soul destroying for teachers.#ukedchat
oldandrewuk 20:59
@heartofsol #ukedchat Everyone makes mistakes. By contrast
ignorance on the part of the teacher is not excusable.
ePaceonline 20:59
RT @ufasarah: Learning about the process of learning is crucial. And
each new learning experience means you learn more about learning
& yourself #ukedchat
SirBlimelyWindy 20:59
Right, that's just about it - much food for thought #ukedchat will try
to summarise it faithfully
creativeartsco 20:59
@sheliBB interesting - I've wondered those points too! Do you think
teachers are willing to try dramatic/artistic techniques? #ukedchat
jayneokell 20:59 @cherrylkd #ukedchat I gain more experience.
KempsterD 20:59
RT @ePaceonline @KempsterD #ukedchat. I am sure you've seen
Ken Robinson's Paradigm on You Tube. > I have indeed. All should
watch.
ePaceonline 20:59
RT @CarrotyCarrots: "@literacylender my reception class love it
when I get things wrong! They take great pride in correcting my
mistakes :) "#ukedchat > Ditto!
dan_bowen 20:59
RT @Educationchat: Sutton Trust report recently claimed children
learning to learn made a huge impact on their academic progress.Vital. #ukedchat
oldandrewuk 20:59
@SheliBB @heartofsol #ukedchat Which is why OFSTED have very
little credibility.
Knightman1986 20:59
RT @jodieworld: I like to find things out with the children i.e. Y3 -
Ancient Egypt. But top set Y5 maths you HAVE to know your stuff!
#ukedchat
ePaceonline 21:00 @KempsterD #ukedchat Brilliant isn't it?
SirBlimelyWindy 21:00
@ukedchat right... will try and write up a report - lots to cover! Is
the archiving etc done by you?
agarridodiez 21:00
Pupils learning can be assessed in different ways ( not just with
tests ), i.e. by observing pupils, through questioning,.. #ukedchat
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heartofsol 21:00
@KiDu89 great to ask kids what they want to learn - but where do
you get the time to do this? Logistically hard to do #ukedchat
Educationchat 21:00
@oldandrewuk And here's official research: Read page 27.
http://t.co/Xov0hEgi #ukedchat
ePaceonline 21:00 @heartofsol #ukedchat - totally agree with you.
Andy__Stokes 21:00@SirBlimelyWindy many thanks for moderating such an interestingtopic #ukedchat
ukedchat 21:00
It's 9pm. Many thanks to @SirBlimelyWindy for hosting #ukedchat
See the links & the archive will be published at
http://t.co/qUanPkyC
KempsterD 21:01
@SirBlimelyWindy Off now. Thanks for hosting Neil. In the words of
Sid James 'Carry on Learning' #ukedchat
jayneokell 21:01
@creativeartsco @agarridodiez #ukedchat Learning can't be learner
led as there are things we have to do and need to get good
coverage.
NatEdTrust 21:01
RT @Educationchat: Sutton Trust report recently claimed childrenlearning to learn made a huge impact on their academic progress.
Vital. #ukedchat
ufasarah 21:01
If you havent already seen @globalearner presentation at the
@theschoolsnet conf then please watch bit.ly/rQpE5g YP need
purpose #ukedchat
CarrotyCarrots 21:01 @SirBlimelyWindy Thanks for tonight's #ukedchat.
ukedchat 21:01 @SirBlimelyWindy Yes, and thank you #ukedchat
oldandrewuk 21:01
@Educationchat @ePaceonline #ukedchat Probably easier if you
just buy Dan Willingham's book.
cherrylkd 21:01 @SirBlimelyWindy thanks for a great thurs evening #ukedchat
Biolady99 21:01 @ukedchat thanks and night all :)
KiDu89 21:01
@Andy__Stokes Of course. A child will want to be involved in
something if it looks fun & exciting. #ukedchat
SheliBB 21:01
@creativeartsco lots are keen to use drama when they see it in
action #ukedchat
KiDu89 21:02
@heartofsol I do it at the start of every new topic, just as you would
to find out what they already know. Short 15 min discussion
#ukedchat
ePaceonline 21:02 @Heatherleatt #ukedchat Yes, Yes, Yes!!
TeachToAll 21:02
@ePaceonline @heartofsol i second that!! if we are encouraginglifelong learning why shouldn't we as teachers still be learning!
#ukedchat
oldandrewuk 21:02
@KempsterD @KiDu89 @cherrylkd #ukedchat Came about because
most knowledge is naturally divisible into disciplines. Read Paul
Hirst.
heartofsol 21:02
RT @oldandrewuk @heartofsol #ukedchat Everyone makes
mistakes. By contrast ignorance on the part of the teacher is not
excusable > AGREED
JRP_Penguin 21:02
#ukedchat another interesting mix of rational reflections and utterly
meaningless consultant-babble.
SheliBB 21:03
@MaxHopewell @johnsayers free programming tool from
Microsoft. It's fab. Create own games easily #ukedchat
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ufasarah 21:03 #ukedchat @globalearner Q 'who owns the learning' is crucial
Andy__Stokes 21:03
@KiDu89 but what if its not? Then why do they engage?
Relationship? #ukedchat
oldandrewuk 21:03
If Miss Jean Brodie was real, she'd be spreading her ideas on
#ukedchat
ePaceonline 21:03 @creativeartsco #Ukedchat. My feeling is yes it does.
mattbuxton10 21:03
@oldandrewuk @ePaceonline Who would?Using questions 2 kids
rather than direct instruction 2lead2new understanding isnt
humiliation #ukedchat
creativeartsco 21:03
@jayneokell #ukedchat would it be fair to say that the NC restricts
the learner in this instance then?
jayneokell 21:03
RT @heartofsol: @KiDu89 great to ask kids what they want to learn -
but where do you get the time to do this? Logistically hard to do
#ukedchat
SirBlimelyWindy 21:03
a well earned ginger wine and lemonade for me now #ukedchat
snow in the morn so steady as you gojayneokell 21:03 First #ukedchat I've participated in. #feelingbrave!
KempsterD 21:04
RT @ePaceonline @KempsterD #ukedchat Brilliant isn't it? So
excellent and so true http://t.co/Zqa7BcB4
Heatherleatt 21:04
@SirBlimelyWindy #ukedchat great discussion tonight - good luck
with pulling it all together!
ePaceonline 21:05
@SirBlimelyWindy #ukedchat Thank you very much indeed for
hosting.
oldandrewuk 21:05
@mattbuxton10 @ePaceonline #ukedchat Then it isn't really
Socratic. Oh don't mind me, I just like to point out *who* Socrates
questioned.
heartofsol 21:05
@KiDu89 yes, that's a great way, and completely do-able. You
should patent that method, you'll make a mint :-) #ukedchat
SheliBB 21:05
I'm guessing that you are a secondary teacher @oldandrewuk?
@heartofsol #ukedchat
Andy__Stokes 21:05 @ufasarah so Ofsted and Edexel are the masters then?#ukedchat
SLCYH 21:06
RT @ViciaScience: Teach children how to learn by modelling the
process for them. Discuss your own ongoing professional learning
#ukedchat
oldandrewuk 21:06
RT @heartofsol: RT @Educationchat @oldandrewuk @SheliBBChildren should definitely work harder than teachers! > AGREED
#ukedchat
oldandrewuk 21:06
@Educationchat @ePaceonline #ukedchat Well my thoughts are
pretty easy to find. but I'm not going to summarise everything in
140 characters.
heartofsol 21:06
RT @Educationchat @oldandrewuk @SheliBB Children should
definitely work harder than teachers! > AGREED #ukedchat
SheliBB 21:07
@JOHNSAYERS @maxhopewell although we did ours just using
laptops. Am a big kodu fan. Best free resource I've used for ages#ukedchat
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heartofsol 21:07
@SheliBB @oldandrewuk I'm actually both primary and secondary ;-
) #ukedchat
ufasarah 21:07
@Andy__Stokes ? Sorry I dont understand your last tweet - maybe
the weirdness of #ukedchat??
agarridodiez 21:07
@creativeartsco I am afraid so. This is my view anyway. We should
learn the Finnish lesson: less is more. #ukedchat
oldandrewuk 21:08RT @PhilipEdmundson: @oldandrewuk In spirit, she is here, at leastten times over... #ukedchat
Andy__Stokes 21:08
@ufasarah sorry i was venting sarcasm at who determines/controls
the learning!! #ukedchat
jayneokell 21:08
@creativeartsco #ukedchat Yeah. Totally. It's too broad and time is
always an issue!
PhilipEdmundson 21:08
@oldandrewuk In spirit, she is here, at least ten times over...
#ukedchat
peer_uk_ltd 21:09
RT @stuart_g_brown: #ukedchat don't 'teach' learning, create the
best conditions for each pupil to discover how they learn in their
own way
ukedchat 21:09
#ukedchat is being taken over by #asechat on 29 December, but the
poll is open now http://t.co/HdoViw4G
Stephen_Logan 21:09
RT @SirBlimelyWindy: #ukedchat the Ken Robinson speech on
changing paradigms is here - recomended http://t.co/99znQFch
oldandrewuk 21:09
RT @JRP_Penguin: #ukedchat another interesting mix of rational
reflections and utterly meaningless consultant-babble.
peer_uk_ltd 21:09
RT @teachitso: #ukedchat Learning is what is remembered the next
day.
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