How can we deal with the mindset amongst children that it is not 'cool' to do well at school? Thursday 18th August 2011 username time status LearningSpy 19:56 #ukedchat@chrisleach78 My 7 year old LOVES public praise and gets very down if she doesn't receive a 'leaf' at least once a week. joanne rich 19:57 #ukedchat @chrisleach78 Just asked 15 year old son and he refused - apparently being quoted on ukedchat would be worse than public praise chrisleach78 19:58 I can hear that Eastenders has finished so I guess its time to kick o fftonight's discussion #ukedchat LearningSpy 19:58 @chrisleach78 #ukedchat However, my 6 year old gets v upset by public fuss. Go figure. this limited smple shws us that no one size fits all chrisleach78 19:59 RT @LearningSpy: @chrisleach78 #ukedchat However, my 6 year old gets v upset by public fuss. Go figure. this limited smple shws us that no one size fits all LearningSpy 19:59 #ukedchat Is this discussion about praise or motivation? chrisleach78 19:59 RT @LearningSpy: #ukedchat@chrisleach78 My 7 year old LOVES public praise and gets very down if she doesn't recei ve a 'leaf' at least once a week. chrisleach78 19:59 #ukedchat How can we deal with the mindset amongst children that it is not 'cool' to do well at school? chrisleach78 20:00 @LearningSpy I guess it's a bit of bo th because they both have an affect #ukedchat ukedchat 20:00 It's 8pm, time for #ukedchat with @chrisleach78 topic:How to make it cool to achieve in school LearningSpy 20:00 #ukedchat I put a lot of effort into teaching growth mindsets & extrinsic motivation . Knowledge is power CreativeEdu 20:00 It's 8pm, time for #ukedchat with @chrisleach78 topic:How to make it cool to achieve in school ianpocock 20:01 RT @ukedchat: It's 8pm, time for #ukedchat with @chrisleach78 topic:How to make it cool to achieve in school CreativeEdu 20:01 RT @chrisleach78: I've just written a blogpost to hopefully kickstart some discussion for tonight's #ukedchat --> http://t.co/TMRVQNy chilledteaching 20:01 I think we lay the foundations early in schooling when children LOVE praise, but don't get any! #ukedchat hancheetham 20:01 RT @CreativeEdu: It's not 'cool' to achieve in school<how to address this? #ukedchat Tonight at 8 ProEdNet 20:01 RT @ukedchat: It's 8pm, time for #ukedchat with @chrisleach78 topic:How to make it cool to achieve in school chrisleach78 20:01 RT @JenniH68: My 13 year old just wants his work marked! #ukedchat StuartMaginnis 20:01 #ukedchat be persistent, and show them how good it is to succeed. chilledteaching 20:01 Too cool to achieve? Does this sneak in during KS2 more so than the early years and KS1? #ukedchat LearningSpy 20:02 #ukedchat I begin GCSE course with a scheme on motivation & mindsets. http://t.co/XfRoIRQAsherJac 20:02 #ukedchat I think it's a lot to do with fun. Where learning is perceived to be fun, being good at it is cool. Page 1 of 55
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springrose12 20:05
@chrisleach78 #ukedchat I think teenagers are very self-concious but if
there is a praise culture in the school it's easier on students
LearningSpy 20:05
@PivotalEllie Disagree - extrernal motivators can be a real barrier to
learning #ukedchat
chilledteaching 20:05RT @GeekPeter: @chrisleach78 #ukedchat Naughty kids get praised whenthey're better than normal but good kids don't get anything sometimes.
MissAPatterson 20:05
@PivotalEllie #ukedchat Totally agree with this. The thought of getting
praise actually makes them not want to do well when they are capable
sonicwaffled 20:05
@ChilledTeaching I had a boy in my Reception class who hated any sort of
positive comment/attention. Very difficult situation #ukedchat
tj007 20:05
@kath_brentford Which is great, but by secondary some students go out
of their way to not collect house points and awards :-/ #ukedchat
AsherJac 20:05
RT @chilledteaching: I am going to throw down the gauntlet! Perhaps it is
the disenchanted pupils in the middle who need more attention!
#ukedchat
ukedchat 20:05
RT @AsherJac: #ukedchat I think it's a lot to do with fun. Where learning
is perceived to be fun, being good at it is cool.
kath_brentford 20:05
#ukedchat rewarding children who eat some veg at lunchtime is
perceived as unfair by children who always eat it.
LearningSpy 20:05 @GeekPeter Yes a real problem. #ukedchat
PivotalEllie 20:05
@LearningSpy #ukedchat @chrisleach78 Praise is an external motivator.
Students really need internal and external motivators to achieve most
bellaale 20:05
RT @AsherJac: #ukedchat I think it's a lot to do with fun. Where learning
is perceived to be fun, being good at it is cool.
karenshancock 20:05
RT @EmathsUK: #ukedchat Tonights title makes the assumption that it is
desirable or necessary. But why is it? Not everything has to be
edutainment
Dunfordjames 20:05
#ukedchat even better if your teaching staff is reflective, to a decent
extent, of the community you serve. Role models are the key.
chrisleach78 20:05RT @GeekPeter: @chrisleach78 #ukedchat Naughty kids get praised whenthey're better than normal but good kids don't get anything sometimes.
chrisleach78 20:05
RT @GeekPeter: Receiving genuine praise from staff the kids respect is a
good one, same as us adults, hollow praise means nothing! #ukedchat
ukedchat 20:06
#ukedchat is there a gender gap or do both boys and girls see success as
uncool?
chilledteaching 20:06
@hancheetham Do you find pupils come to school with the attitude
already, or does it develop whilst in 2nd'ary? #ukedchat
GeekPeter 20:06
@hancheetham #ukedchat Kids will try harder for staff they like, no doubt
that it is not 'cool' to do well at school? Thursday 18th August 2011
PivotalEllie 20:06
#ukedchat Often it is the students that shy away from praise the most & r
hardest to praise that need it most. Trying to protect themselves
cherrylkd 20:06
@chilledteaching #ukedchat I think it starts in upper ks2. Ch suddenly
don't like being singled out for anything, even praise it seems
kath_brentford 20:06
@tj007 agreed, had one child enter Year 7 and refuse to collect house
points he was entitled to because it was stupid. #ukedchat
chrisleach78 20:06
RT @a_p_martin: #ukedchat getting families to value school achievement
is crucial this can help create a groundswell in the whole community.
BenRogersOVA 20:06
We've got kids believing they can achieve. When kids say it isn't cool to
achieve, they are really saying they think they can't #ukedchat .
EmathsUK 20:06@PivotalEllie #ukedchat that's not what I said. It's the being cool bit thatdoesn't matter. Kids can want something without it being cool
ukedchat 20:06
RT @chilledteaching: Has race or social class got anything to do with it all?
#ukedchat
a_p_martin 20:06
#ukedchat getting families to value school achievement is crucial this can
help create a groundswell in the whole community.
PivotalEllie 20:06
@sonicwaffled #ukedchat Did you find strategies that worked with this
pupil?
hancheetham 20:06
@ChilledTeaching i would definitely agree that it is the disenchanted
pupil. peer pressure is the biggest factor with this #ukedchat
MattFothergill 20:07
#ukedchat every now and again you see a child that is both clever and
"cool". Need to highlight them when found.
chrisleach78 20:07
@EmathsUK ok so the use of the term cool is a bit vague but it is all about
children wanting to achieve #ukedchat
LearningSpy 20:07 @EmathsUK Yes - not sure "cool" matters at all. #ukedchat
chilledteaching 20:07
@cherrylkd I can relate to that though. Perhaps we need to praise in less
public ways! #ukedchat
PivotalEllie 20:07
@EmathsUK #ukedchat But the issue here is that if it is not seen as cool
to achieve then some kids don't want it. Don't want to achieve.
mathsnqt 20:07
#ukedchat we should celebrate all pupils' success, be it academic,
sporting, or something outside school
Rachel_deSouza 20:07
RT @BenRogersOVA: We've got kids believing they can achieve. When
kids say it isn't cool to achieve, they are really saying they think they can't
#ukedchat .
kath_brentford 20:07
In terms of public praise, there's difference btw saying well done to name
& calling them to stand up in assembly & walk to front #ukedchat
teachitso 20:07#ukedchat Dweck's work suggests the aversion by many to visibly try hardis linked to concerns about what possible failure implies to others
that it is not 'cool' to do well at school? Thursday 18th August 2011
bellaale 20:07
struggling with Twitterfall on my eee pad... might have to just watch...
#ukedchat
EmTeaches 20:07
Some children have such rubbish home lives, that they will always have
more pressing concerns than doing well at school #ukedchat
hancheetham 20:07@GeekPeter @chrisleach78 this is really dangerous. been teachingsecondary for 4 yrs and have been told this again and again #ukedchat
EmathsUK 20:07
@chrisleach78 #ukedchat Yes, but that isn't the same as it being cool.
Enjoyment comes from success and empathy
StuartMaginnis 20:08
#ukedchat having inspiring learning happening will engage the students.
They will then be motivated and the prizes etc are then a bonus.
hancheetham 20:08
@ChilledTeaching both, parental/sibling attitude has a massive impact
too particularly if -ve towards school #ukedchat
chilledteaching 20:08Perhaps we need to be more discreet when telling pupils that they aredoing well, especially as they become more self-aware #ukedchat
springrose12 20:08
@chrisleach78 #ukedchat My son always appreciates when he gets a
commandation in year 9. He is proud of his praises..
Dunfordjames 20:08
“@chilledteaching: Has race or social class got anything to do with it
all? #ukedchat†• - yes, to the extent of knowing your school well.
joanne_rich 20:08
#ukedchat In previous school top 40 housepoint achievers in each year
group got free trip - black market trade developed
ukedchat 20:08
RT @a_p_martin: #ukedchat getting families to value school achievement
is crucial this can help create a groundswell in the whole community.
LearningSpy 20:08
@teachitso Yes - and what it means to ourselves - if I fail then I am a
failure so I won't try #ukedchat
MrsPrentice11 20:08 @ukedchat thanks :)
PivotalEllie 20:08
@LearningSpy #ukedchat Why? The ideal is that you are self-motivating,
but external motivators really help some children to attain that.
EmathsUK 20:08
#ukedchat It is natural and right that kids don't want to percieve anything
as "cool" that their parents value :-)
mattharding007 20:08
#ukedchat I'd argue in Primary School children generally love to learn, but
this goes as they get older.richhicking 20:08 Check out my blog http://t.co/Am6TN3z #ukedchat
ukedchat 20:08
@MrsPrentice11 how to change the attitude that it's not cool to do well
in school #ukedchat
chrisleach78 20:08
RT @mathsnqt: #ukedchat we should celebrate all pupils' success, be it
academic, sporting, or something outside school
PivotalEllie 20:09 @chrisleach78 #ukedchat Praise in private.
Langnut 20:09 #ukedchat past y8, do chn care about praise/rewards? My lot don't.
AsherJac 20:09
RT @EmathsUK: #ukedchat It is natural and right that kids don't want to
percieve anything as "cool" that their parents value :-)
richhicking 20:09
Make all our students are "teacher's pets"- catch them all doing
something right and show them their value #ukedchat
Yes. I do too. RT @kath_brentford: I do know many children who like the
postcard home to parents for small achievements system #ukedchat
MisiesD 20:13
@ukedchat We used Groupon XFactor day £59 for 15 children as reward
at end of term. Great success.
ukedchat 20:13
RT @MattFothergill: #ukedchat Make celebration of achievements part of
the school culture. I'm sure all schools say they do it, but do they?
Dan_Aldred 20:13
#ukedchat is praise not motivating. Lack of praise is so therefore praise is
v important.
cherrylkd 20:13
@MattFothergill #ukedchat I disagree. Public praise isn't for everyone and
it may put them off working hard and achieving.
MissAPatterson 20:13#ukedchat Praise depends on the pupil,once you get to know them,u canpraise them appropriately.Sum wil benefit from quiet individual praise
Educationchat 20:13
#ukedchat Shouldn't we all be relaxing on our summer holidays? Typical
teachers. #welovethejob
tj007 20:13
@cherrylkd very true. After learning the hard way, I get to know which
pupils prefer private or public rewards. #ukedchat
LearningSpy 20:13
Agreed RT @MrsPrentice11: a fear of failure leads to chn not trying and
acting like ti's not cool to learn, they're mostly scared #ukedchat
dailydenouement 20:13
RT @EmathsUK: #ukedchat Kids would engage more if the curriculum was
relevant to the world that they will be adults in... it's hundreds of yearsbehind!
that it is not 'cool' to do well at school? Thursday 18th August 2011
mikeatedji 20:16
RT @LearningSpy: #ukedchat all praise needs to be specific and meangful.
Also v important to praise effort
LearningSpy 20:16 @cherrylkd do it discreetly #ukedchat
dailydenouement 20:17
RT @kath_brentford: The more confidence they have in their own
abilities and personality the less worried they will be about what their
peers think #ukedchat
chilledteaching 20:17
@18Consultancy Yes, but I still think that would have to be done
discreetly. #ukedchat Some teenagers are young in their attitudes still.
AsherJac 20:17
You'd be surprised at which kids find this valuable - teachers trying think
up 'cool' prizes often backfires. @CreativeEdu #ukedchat
ukedchat 20:17
RT @mattbuxton10: The motivators need to be intrinsic to each kid;
external factors will only result in superficial motivation! #ukedchat
kath_brentford 20:17The more confidence they have in their own abilities and personality theless worried they will be about what their peers think #ukedchat
hancheetham 20:17
@EmTeaches I definitely get home life can be a distraction but education
can offer a way out and a positive distraction #ukedchat
dailydenouement 20:17
What part do you think parents/carers play in reinforcing the 'coolness'?
#ukedchat
LearningSpy 20:17 @chrisleach78 Really? I've never seen that #ukedchat
tj007 20:17
@SheliBB so long as the praise is meaningful and for something
worthwhile (even courtesy), then yes! #ukedchat
ukedchat 20:17
RT @MissAPatterson: #ukedchat Praise depends on the pupil,once you
get to know them,u can praise them appropriately.Sum wil benefit from
quiet individual praise
PivotalEllie 20:17
@a_p_martin #ukedchat I don't mean fashionable. A lot of the time if
you get key players on your side then your subject becomes cool.
Totallywired77 20:17
@chilledteaching: "I heard of one secondary who invite the pupils to have
'tea' with the HT to celebrate success!" #ukedchat > ha ha, agreed
SheliBB 20:17
And making the effort to tell parents something positive so that they are
not always expecting bad news when they see you #ukedchat
prairnasharma 20:17
#ukedchat Celebrate success in all corridors, case studies of successful ex-
students everywhere&what they do now, so they see bigger picture
EmathsUK 20:17
#ukedchat Did anyone in this conversation think school was cool? I
certainly didn't! Cool does not equal desire to achieve
chrisleach78 20:17
@CreativeEdu previous school has reward as playing chess with HT - it
was also the most severe punishment #ukedchat
kath_brentford 20:17
The simple truth is that the earlier you persuade children that it's cool the
easier it is to keep that up as they get older #ukedchat
Reward assemble each term for merits attendance most improved sports
music and general kindness. Lots of certificates and choc! #ukedchat"
StuartMaginnis 20:18
@CreativeEdu # #ukedchat although our students enjoy being sent to the
head to show them their outstanding work or achievements.
mikeatedji 20:18
#ukedchat What about agreeing rewards? at least negotiating them...not
just as another control mechanism but genuinely
ukedchat 20:18
RT @chrisleach78: talk of individual levels of praise - how many people
work in school's where they have achievem,ent assemblies? #ukedchat
EmTeaches 20:18
Quality pastoral care is vital for many more vulnerable chn - this is the
first step in engaging chn to believe learning is cool. #ukedchat
elliejcox 20:18
RT @ukedchat: It's 8pm, time for #ukedchat with @chrisleach78
topic:How to make it cool to achieve in school
dailydenouement 20:18
RT @mathsnqt: If everyone viewed themselves as successful, then it
would be cool to achieve and celebrate others' achievements #ukedchat
@karenshancock
breanainn 20:18@LearningSpy #ukedchat Ah, I agree. I think it's uncool to surrender to anundemocratic agent's judgment of value, without testing them 1st
ukedchat 20:18
RT @Arakwai: Once it becomes cool to be involved & successful in school
act's - sports, stage crew, street dance then it can spread to lessons.
#ukedchat
mathsnqt 20:18
If everyone viewed themselves as successful, then it would be cool to
achieve and celebrate others' achievements #ukedchat @karenshancock
cherrylkd 20:18
@sonicwaffled @pivotalellie that's a good idea. Safety in numbers .
Lessens the embarrassment #ukedchat
chrisleach78 20:18@simonhaughton does it change as they get older though? older childrenless responsive? #ukedchat
RT @mikeatedji: #ukedchat Why would you want to achieve if you felt
you had no stake in the eventual outcome?
sonicwaffled 20:20
@ukedchat @chrisleach78 Me too :( I've had parents sat in assembly
watching their child stood up crying when they're showing work :(
BenRogersOVA 20:20
RT @jodieworld: #ukedchat Older children def need praise to be more
sincere and relevant.They reject stickers/housepoints in exchange for
pride in own work
atko73 20:20 Boys seem to thrive on some element of competition. #ukedchat
karenshancock 20:20
@chrisleach78 Celebration ass at end of each term Academic awards,
music/dance displays etc. Really nice atmosphere. Whole school.
#ukedchat
ukedchat 20:20
RT @18Consultancy: @ChilledTeaching #ukedchat is it too obvious that
we genuinely ask young people how they want their feedback & respond
that way?
tobyholman 20:20
@ukedchat And, no doubt, making mistakes on the way. eg Publicly
rewarding the shy pupil
ukedchat 20:20
20 minutes down: #ukedchat with @chrisleach78 topic:How to make it
cool to achieve in school
AsherJac 20:20
RT @mikeatedji: #ukedchat Why would you want to achieve if you felt
you had no stake in the eventual outcome?
Dunfordjames 20:20
#ukedchat appears we're talking about use of praise and rewards.Something more intrinsic and important may make school cool.
Relevance.
CreativeEdu 20:20
20 minutes down: #ukedchat with @chrisleach78 topic:How to make it
cool to achieve in school
chilledteaching 20:20 @springrose12 Primary or secondary? #ukedchat
victoriaellis 20:20
Parents' attitude an important factor. Boy on Classroom Secrets didn't
take certificates home as his mum 'wasn't interested' #ukedchat
a_p_martin 20:21“@CreativeEdu: #ukedchat any examples of very 'uncool' rewards forsuccess - my wife was given a jar of honey by her HT as a EoYr award.
that it is not 'cool' to do well at school? Thursday 18th August 2011
springrose12 20:24
@chrisleach78 I think children always find ways and reasons to bully each
other. #ukedchat
ukedchat 20:25
RT @MissAPatterson: #ukedchat pupils need to feel that they are listened
to, + have a voice in the classroom, this aids their self esteem!
CreativeEdu 20:25RT @MissAPatterson: #ukedchat pupils need to feel that they are listenedto, + have a voice in the classroom, this aids their self esteem!
EmathsUK 20:25
#ukedchat You know, it really is ok to be uncool - they think their
Grandparents are uncool, but they still love them :-)
tj007 20:25
@MrsPrentice11 I like being awarded something, but hated going to the
stage in front of everyone else to collect it! #ukedchat
springrose12 20:25
@chrisleach78 The key issue is to deal with bullying and to treat this like
any other kind of bullying when handling the issue. #ukedchat
karenshancock 20:25
@GeekPeter Exactly. So we have to show them that either teh
qualification or the content matter. Not necessarily both! #ukedchat
cherrylkd 20:25
@chrisleach78 #ukedchat we have ach ass. It's immediately obv some
won't work next week due to public praise. We've learnt not 2 do it
MissAPatterson 20:25
#ukedchat I also think pupils' self esteem is related to teachers
expectations being realistic.Achievement = positive, increased self esteem
a_p_martin 20:25
so it's all about school culture. “@chrisleach78: #ukedchat - high
ability boy deliberately scores low in test because he gets bullied
PivotalEllie 20:25
@EmTeaches #ukedchat Yes, positive role models v important. Teachers
can be those too. But inviting those in from outside really helps
GeographyCarrie 20:25
@jadeano Definitely, in geography this works well... any reward trips are
a good motivator for all students#ukedchat
markhodges 20:25
RT @MattFothergill: #ukedchat Make celebration of achievements part of
the school culture. I'm sure all schools say they do it, but do they?
dailydenouement 20:25
RT @mattbuxton10: We work within the parameters of a system &
national context which only values achievements at 10, 14 and 18!!#ukedchat
mattbuxton10 20:25
We work within the parameters of a system & national context which
only values achievements at 10, 14 and 18!! #ukedchat
StuartMaginnis 20:25
@LearningSpy #ukedchat a reward system similar to tesco clubcard.
Points make prizes.
dailydenouement 20:25
RT @chrisleach78: #ukedchat How do we avoid the situation where
children are bullied for being a 'boff'?
chrisleach78 20:25
#ukedchat How do we avoid the situation where children are bullied for
being a 'boff'?
SheliBB 20:25
“@MissAPatterson: #ukedchat important that teachers avoid directcriticism that lowers pupils' self esteem.Instead, accentuate the
that it is not 'cool' to do well at school? Thursday 18th August 2011
helenhamill 20:25
RT @MissAPatterson: #ukedchat I think pupils need to feel that they are
listened to, that they have a voice in the classroom, this aids their self
esteem!
tobyholman 20:25 @LearningSpy And too easy an approach to take! #ukedchat
PivotalEllie 20:25
RT @EmTeaches: Inviting 'cool' positive role models (who thought
learning was cool) into school has really motivated my children #ukedchatspringrose12 20:26 @ChilledTeaching Some do, some don't:) #ukedchat
LearningSpy 20:26 @chrisleach78 Make results private? #ukedchat
mikeatedji 20:26
#ukedchat Boff protection ... clearly a long term strategy! Whole school
culture, parental involvement...targeting specific peer groups
reflectivemaths 20:26
@ukedchat @18consultancy @chilledteaching I think there's good scope
in asking Ss how they'd like praise #ukedchat
jadeano 20:26
#ukedchat took on group under achieving boys. Made lessons fun exciting
lots of praise in different ways won most boys over #gdplanning
camhitachi 20:26
@kath_brentford @Right2_Learn Case study at http://t.co/KkxwRZl -
evidence 4 positive power of business mentors, by @geraldhaigh1
#ukedchat
kath_brentford 20:26
RT @tobyholman: @kanda_hh Agree. Making achievement cool must be
self achievement of aspiration #ukedchat
LearningSpy 20:26
RT @mathheadinc: @tj007 Young people accept praise that is legitimate
and deserved. Praise them for their hard work, good work. See what
happens. #ukedchat
atko73 20:26
@kath_brentford I sympathise with that point of view-I was thinking in
the classroom-team activities to reinforce learning. #ukedchat
AsherJac 20:26
RT @CreativeEdu: RT @MissAPatterson: #ukedchat pupils need to feel
that they are listened to, + have a voice in the classroom, this aids their
self esteem!
victoriaellis 20:26
We have 'Form of the Term (one in each yr) decided by Head - some kids
who love that hate individual praise. #ukedchat
GeekPeter 20:26
@KiDu89 Think of your C/D border target group and their type of
sociableness, would you fit into that group? #ukedchat
dailydenouement 20:26
RT @chrisleach78: #ukedchat How do you encourage children in your
class to want to learn and to feel pride in their work?
chrisleach78 20:26#ukedchat How do you encourage children in your class to want to learnand to feel pride in their work?
kath_brentford 20:26 @GeekPeter and the truth is that much of it isn't useful #ukedchat
tobyholman 20:26
@kanda_hh Agree. Making achievement cool must be self achievement
of aspiration #ukedchat
LearningSpy 20:26
RT @hele@StuartMaginnis Sounds appalling! I worked in a chool where
students were PAID to meet target grades! Didn't work #ukedchat
GeekPeter 20:27#ukedchat Possibly controversial but has it ever been 'cool' to achieve? Ileft school 20 years ago now and people made fun of 'swots' then
RT @EmathsUK: #ukedchat It's all about self-esteem and confidence - so
they don't give a toss if mates think they are a geek
AsherJac 20:28
RT @markhodges: “@Educationchat: #ukedchat If we weren't driven
towards testing children wouldn't feel a failure. They might enjoy
school.†• totally agree
LearningSpy 20:28
@chrisleach78 Do they share if they don't want anyone to know?
Couldn't they lie? #ukedchat
mikeatedji 20:28#ukedchat What about finding a project that the students felt wasimportant to them...properly important to them. Or is that too trite?
tj007 20:28
RT @victoriaellis: We have 'Form of the Term (one in each yr) decided by
Head - some kids who love that hate individual praise. #ukedchat
PivotalEllie 20:28
@LearningSpy #ukedchat Yes, I think making results private is a good
thing. But its not always about results but about participation...
EmathsUK 20:28
#ukedchat It's all about self-esteem and confidence - so they don't give a
toss if mates think they are a geek
markhodges 20:28
“@Educationchat: #ukedchat If we weren't driven towards testing
children wouldn't feel a failure. They might enjoy school.†• totally agree
JOHNSAYERS 20:28 Invitation to movie afternoon on lunchtime for rewards #ukedchat
madlizz 20:28
@chrisleach78 everybody is good at something...bullying can come from
jealousy/low self esteem.Find what the bullies are good at? #ukedchat
tobyholman 20:28
@kath_brentford Self achievement of own aspiration, not just completion
of teacher set task #ukedchat
teachitso 20:28Vivo Miles. Schools pay £s to company for web system awards virtual £to kids for work. Kids accrue points and buy stuff from Vivo #ukedchat
Smichael920 20:28
@simonhaughton @chilledteaching yes. Texting really popular with
parents. The communication if choice for many #ukedchat
57mason 20:28
@chrisleach78 #ukedchat separate issue, bullying needs design with first,
promote culture of achievement rather than attainment
chrisleach78 20:28
RT @GeekPeter: #ukedchat Possibly controversial but has it ever been
'cool' to achieve? I left school 20 years ago now and people made fun of
'swots' then
iamsallymoore 20:29@ChilledTeaching my Y2s get like that especially boys if not careful... theyare not motivated by stickers lol #ukedchat
chrisleach78 20:29 #ukedchat so how do you teach self-confidence ?
that it is not 'cool' to do well at school? Thursday 18th August 2011
LearningSpy 20:29
@G_for_Gemma Doesn't this have to be school wide? Great idea though
#ukedchat
kath_brentford 20:29
@tobyholman Yes that gets close to my definition of education - getting
them to internalise desire to learn and give them tools #ukedchat
ICTmagic 20:29Cool is in the eye of the beholder. Getting motivated students is a twoway process. Frank communication is key. Ask them! #ukedchat
Dan_Aldred 20:29
@chrisleach78: #ukedchat schools need to create an ethos of trying to
achieve. Not just rewarding but creating a striving to do well ethos.
reflectivemaths 20:29
@jennitonic80 Indeed. Being good at playing guitar is always going to be
cooler than good at maths #ukedchat
springrose12 20:29
@GeekPeter Agreed..Students were always under pressure of praises in
schools. Never too cool:) #ukedchat
MissAPatterson 20:29#ukedchat I think pupils will have more pride in their work if the rapportbetween teacher / pupil is a positive one. Encouragement too.
newmanswords 20:29
RT @Ideas_Factory: #ukedchat Have to recognise and reward talent in
whatever discipline-not just academic.Encourage diversity & celebrate
community.
PivotalEllie 20:29
@EmTeaches #ukedchat My son's school have authors and sports people
in on a regular basis
jennitonic80 20:29
#ukedchat surely if kids are taught how to be their own person the rest
falls into place??
G_for_Gemma 20:29
Late in tonight: Anyone else tried 'secret student' - thoughts? I'm
unconvinced its nt just a stickng plaster that works for some #ukedchat
that it is not 'cool' to do well at school? Thursday 18th August 2011
LearningSpy 20:30
@chrisleach78 Well... I teach students about mindsets & how to develop
growth mindsets and then work hard to live this in lessons #ukedchat
MattFothergill 20:30
@chrisleach78 #ukedchat Never! I've just asked my 16yo and it still isn't.
She said "you can't be a boff and be cool. Boff's show off"
BobToms100 20:30
#ukedchat Schoolwide: put a 'positive' session on timetable termly &
allow ALL chn to comment on one piece of good work they've done
chrisleach78 20:30
RT @Educationchat: #ukedchat Stop mentioning praise! We don't want
children to learn because there's something in it for them! We want them
to love learning!!!
Educationchat 20:30
#ukedchat Stop mentioning praise! We don't want children to learn
because there's something in it for them! We want them to love
learning!!!
PivotalEllie 20:30@jennitonic80 #ukedchat Of course that is the ideal, but in realitychildren can put up a lot of barriers… (cont) http://t.co/RB3YiRL
kath_brentford 20:30
Remembering to also commemorate good behaviour, compassion and all
other non education skills #ukedchat
chrisleach78 20:30
RT @ukedchat: Please share any links relevant to tonight's #ukedchat
they'll be inlcuded in the summary
hancheetham 20:30
looking at what motivates staff and how to praise staff is useful to apply
to students too #ukedchat
ukedchat 20:30
Please share any links relevant to tonight's #ukedchat they'll be inlcuded
in the summary
MrsPrentice11 20:30
It starts at home, sometimes it's too late RT @chrisleach78: #ukedchat so
how do you teach self-confidence ?
GeographyCarrie 20:30
@PivotalEllie Sweets, stickers, verbal praise, reward points... make it a
game... make the 'cool kids' team leaders... #ukedchat
CreativeEdu 20:30
Please share any links relevant to tonight's #ukedchat they'll be inlcuded
in the summary
jodieworld 20:30
#ukedchat Nintendo DSis used for class chats so comments can be given
"anon" work for me . I say "Well done User 7" etc rather than names
chilledteaching 20:30
RT @MissAPatterson: #ukedchat I think pupils will have more pride in
their work if the rapport between teacher / pupil is a positive one.
jodieworld 20:31
#ukedchat But I actively tell my kids that I am a geek & love it. Helps a lot.
I used to be teased at school but now am proud to be a geek!
victoriaellis 20:31
@ChilledTeaching Hopefully not - def think the parental reinforcement is
important though. #ukedchat
BobToms100 20:31
#ukedchat Build the sharing of the 'positive' learning experience into form
group lessons for once/week coverage. Got to change culture.
chrisleach78 20:31
RT @cybraryman1: My Motivating Students page: http://t.co/9cxONlu
that it is not 'cool' to do well at school? Thursday 18th August 2011
dailydenouement 20:31
RT @jodieworld: #ukedchat I agree parental attitude can make impact. I
told one parent how great her child did. She turned to child and said "You
Geek!" :-(
tobyholman 20:31
@kath_brentford And to recognise that not all aspire to complete task /
course / school but they too can 'achieve' #ukedchat
Totallywired77 20:31
@reflectivemaths @18consultancy @chilledteaching "I think there's good
scope in asking Ss how they'd like praise #ukedchat†• > exactly!
chilledteaching 20:31
@iamsallymoore You see the 'social' aspect of reward and praise kicking
in at that age, IMHO! If a friend acts cool, others will #ukedchat
dailydenouement 20:31
RT @BobToms100: #ukedchat Schoolwide: put a 'positive' session on
timetable termly & allow ALL chn to comment on one piece of good work
they've done
jodieworld 20:31#ukedchat I agree parental attitude can make impact. I told one parenthow great her child did. She turned to child and said "You Geek!" :-(
MissAPatterson 20:32
#ukedchat "We want them to love learning" @educationchat The answer
is simple - Make the curriculum FUN, ENGAGING, RELEVANT !
LearningSpy 20:32 @sonicwaffled What is EYFS? #ukedchat
CreativeEdu 20:32
RT @cybraryman1: My Motivating Students page: http://t.co/9cxONlu
#ukedchat
SheliBB 20:32
“@MattFothergill: @chrisleach78 #ukedchat "you can't be a boff and
be cool. Boff's show off"†• - exactly my experience. I opted for cool.
chilledteaching 20:32
@victoriaellis Completely agree! Even the most disenchanted of children
look for praise from their parents. #ukedchat
chrisleach78 20:32 @EmathsUK oh I am - 'Super Geek' - #ukedchat
G_for_Gemma 20:32
@Educationchat #ukedchat, true but why do people enjoy something,
because something let's them see the outcome. That something is praise
sonicwaffled 20:32 @LearningSpy @chrisleach78 That's why they're in the EYFS :D #ukedchat
Edu_Trends 20:32 My Motivating Students page: #ukedchat http://t.co/rrj4kbw
reflectivemaths 20:32
#ukedchat Better, 'cooler' role models in society in general who got
where they got to through education
EmTeaches 20:32
@PivotalEllie That's a good point. It must be regular - not lip service to
community engagement. Positive role models are vital #ukedchat
mattbuxton10 20:32
Behaviours & attitudes are learnt; do many schools celebrate staff
achievements in front of students in assemblies etc? #ukedchat
LearningSpy 20:32 @ConsultantHead No! #ukedchat
chilledteaching 20:32
@karenshancock @EmathsUK That's not going to happen though. They
are SO socially aware #ukedchat Who is to stop a nasty f/b
that it is not 'cool' to do well at school? Thursday 18th August 2011
kath_brentford 20:32
@tobyholman exactly, needs to be measured on personal scale of
measurement, not deviation from the norm or govt standards #ukedchat
LearningSpy 20:32 @57mason Read my blog post http://t.co/XfRoIRQ #ukedchat
karenshancock 20:33
@ChilledTeaching @EmathsUK But it's about accepting that you are a
"geek" and being proud of it. #ukedchat
SheliBB 20:33
“@MattFothergill: @chrisleach78 #ukedchat "you can't be a boff and
be cool." totally messed up my secondary education because of this.
Langnut 20:33
#ukedchat Watching Crimewatch while following this. Should we content
ourselves with the majority of ch not looting shops these days?
EmathsUK 20:33
@ChilledTeaching @karenshancock #ukedchat It's not about stopping
nasty comment, it's about them being confident enough to not be hurt by
it
chilledteaching 20:33I've got the answer. Tell teens that if they don't do well in school, we willpublish on Facebook that they are doing really well! #ukedchat
Spongelab 20:33
Use the tech that is cool in kids' culture, make it edu RT @bedfordvann:
RT @CreativeEdu: It's not 'cool' to achieve in school #ukedchat
kath_brentford 20:33
RT @MissAPatterson: #ukedchat "We want them to love learning"
@educationchat The answer is simple - Make the curriculum FUN,
ENGAGING, RELEVANT !
dailydenouement 20:33
RT @mikeatedji: #ukedchat Can I recommend Carol Dweck's "Mindset"
which tackles question of praise and difficult to reach students...
tj007 20:33
@reflectivemaths Maybe channel 5 should have a STEM Big Brother ;-)
#ukedchat
NickHartSlough 20:33
#ukedchat Ex. rewards inc general praise = lower intrinsic
motivation(usually). Dweck's 'growth mindset' is key to status of
achievement.
mikeatedji 20:33
#ukedchat Can I recommend Carol Dweck's "Mindset" which tackles
question of praise and difficult to reach students...
hancheetham 20:33
RT i think this is v. important @jodieworld #ukedchat I actively tell my
kids that I am a geek & love it. Helps a lot.
dailydenouement 20:33I'm setting me a target of 2 positive parental phone calls per wk - effort,achievement, behaviour. Want to share good stuff! #ukedchat
teachitso 20:33 …cont) #ukedchat
LearningSpy 20:33
@GeographyCarrie Don't make it cool - make it interesting & meaningful
#ukedchat
Totallywired77 20:33
RT @LearningSpy: Yes #ukedchat Stop mentioning praise! We don't want
children to learn cos there's something in it for them! We want them to
love learning!!!
joanne_rich 20:33
@GeekPeter #ukedchat Not at all - just great to see similar opinions -
thought maybe it was just me!!!
chrisleach78 20:33
RT @MissAPatterson: #ukedchat "We want them to love learning"@educationchat The answer is simple - Make the curriculum FUN,
that it is not 'cool' to do well at school? Thursday 18th August 2011
jodieworld 20:36
#ukedchat I once saw a slogan of a poster at USA Sec Schools "Be nice to
the geeks...One day you will work for them" - I LOVE THIS!
GeekPeter 20:36
#ukedchat Ask them what praise they like, if they don't like it don't give
them any, see what happens!
Arakwai 20:36#ukedchat A slow process, but there seems to be a tipping point - onceyou get enough students competing to do well, that becomes the norm.
BenRogersOVA 20:36
RT @a_p_martin: #ukedchat its about: valuing school & education. That
takes self esteem, a culture of work, family & peer support, praise,
supported failure
LearningSpy 20:36
@GeographyCarrie Er - depends on your point of view I guess - most 16 yr
old's ideas of cool are not mine! #ukedchat
iamsallymoore 20:36
@ChilledTeaching one of our teachers has money with his face on that
can be exchanged for various items of stationery... #ukedchat
cherrylkd 20:36@mattbuxton10 #ukedchat what sort of staff achievements? Like theidea in theory but need more info please
chrisleach78 20:36
#ukedchat one of the reasons I like twitter is it validates things i do or
think - form of praise
ukedchat 20:36
@mikeatedji happy 1000th tweet Mike! though i think you've sent me
more than a 1000 DMs!
MisiesD 20:36 #ukedchat. Sorry, first ukedchat and keep forgetting #tag
victoriaellis 20:36
RT @tj007: @MrsPrentice11 I like being awarded something, but hated
going up in front of everyone else to collect it! #ukedchat <Me too!
markhodges 20:36
@ChilledTeaching good point. Also maturity levels etc. When was 15 I was
still arsing about, but most girls had made connection #ukedchat
chilledteaching 20:36
Focus on boys for a moment - Is it all about their role models? Or lack of
them? #ukedchat see-> http://t.co/5SZfyxi
ConsultantHead 20:36
@joanne_rich although as they get older numbers doing those atcivities
decline don't they #ukedchat
GeographyCarrie 20:36
RT @chrisleach78: #ukedchat how can you deal with children individually
if you teach over 300 children in the space of one week?
hancheetham 20:36
Head is central as it's all about whole school ethos @kanda_hh "How
important is the Head in leading this?" #ukedchat
jadeano 20:36 @pivotalellie #ukedchat also bingo hand out tokens call out numbers
HelenCSimpson 20:36
#ukedchat this is much more like it, though harder to do if school culture
built on handing out stickers and stars!
EmathsUK 20:36
#ukedchat Just as an aside, the sheer fact that we are using the word
"cool" shows just how uncool we are :-)
chrisleach78 20:36
RT @ukedchat: Do YOU like receiving public praise? Even if you don't
think it's uncool many grown adults find it embarrassing... #ukedchat
mikeatedji 20:37
@ukedchat #ukedchat To encourage involvement requires us to giverespect and our concentration,but not patronisingly, to every
that it is not 'cool' to do well at school? Thursday 18th August 2011
springrose12 20:41
@chrisleach78 We need to bring more ed-tech into lessons. Teachers
should facilitate learning rather than do whole class teaching. #ukedchat
Aubreii 20:41
@jodieworld #ukedchat I do the same, the more you play on being a geek
the more they like it. I even include my geekiness in my lessons now
mattbuxton10 20:41
@cherrylkd Completing a leadership course/MA/outstanding lesson/promotion/night course/achieving new year resolution/anything!!
#ukedchat
chrisleach78 20:41
#ukedchat - my ICT room display for June - celebrating Geekiness -
http://t.co/gwKCo0k
reflectivemaths 20:41
@ukedchat I'm always happy to be publicly praised. But then I'm inwardly
confident I deserve it. #ukedchat
chilledteaching 20:41
@BobToms100 That was one of the major factors of me developing my
own class blog last academic year. Parents loved the window #ukedchat
Educationchat 20:42 As Tony Blair nearly said: Relevance, Relevance, Relevance. #ukedchat
CreativeEdu 20:42
RT @18consultancy: do it all the time; helps yp to be reflective &
thoughtful. They constantly surprise us with their responses #ukedchat
tj007 20:42
RT @markhodges: @dailydenouement parents love positive phone calls
in my experience. #ukedchat <-- especially when not expected!
ePaceonline 20:42 #ukedchat only just joined in!
GeographyCarrie 20:42
RT @MissAPatterson: #ukedchat Developing a love of learning can be
aided by active learning strategies,interactivity,engagement,creating
lessons that r relevant
chilledteaching 20:42 @reflectivemaths Well done on that comment ;-) #ukedchat
PivotalEllie 20:42
@tj007 #ukedchat Ah, but everyone wanted to participate I bet. That is
the joy of the tombola
joanne_rich 20:42 @KnikiDavies #ukedchat I agree
sonicwaffled 20:42
@hancheetham @ukedchat The Geek shall inherit the Earth! Who's got
more gold - Bill Gates or Michael Phelps? #ukedchat #geekchic @mc_lars
chrisleach78 20:42
#ukedchat - interesting question - as teachers do we suffer the same? Are
you motivated to achieve?
MissAPatterson 20:42
#ukedchat Developing a love of learning can be aided by active learning
strategies,interactivity,engagement,creating lessons that r relevant
jadeano 20:42
#ukedchat @KnikiDavies yes we use them as young leaders to inspire
others it works
kath_brentford 20:42
By giving the public more of a chance to know them? #ukedchat Would
like to know more about my kids' teachers but at sec sch doesn't happen.
karenshancock 20:42#ukedchat Struggle to see how praise is the answer. The "sociable partyanimals" aren't going to work for anything we can offer. "WIIFM"
that it is not 'cool' to do well at school? Thursday 18th August 2011
hancheetham 20:44
this looks great RT @chrisleach78 #ukedchat - my ICT room display for
June - celebrating Geekiness - bit.ly/p9ppmB
chrisleach78 20:44
RT @RossMannell: #ukedchat Are we looking at this from wrong
direction? How can we help the non-geeks so they don't feel need to put
down geeks to feel good?
ukedchat 20:44RT @knikidavies: @ukedchat #ukedchat We discussed in pshe. Most saidthey like public praise, a few preferred private/written
LearningSpy 20:44 @ConsultantHead they help girls but not boys #ukedchat
CreativeEdu 20:44
RT @knikidavies: @ukedchat #ukedchat We discussed in pshe. Most said
they like public praise, a few preferred private/written
ePaceonline 20:44
#ukedchat think it is essential that as teachers we are fair, approachable,
prepared to listen and stand up for ourselves when necessary.
RossMannell 20:44#ukedchat Are we looking at this from wrong direction? How can we helpthe non-geeks so they don't feel need to put down geeks to feel good?
GeekPeter 20:44 #ukedchat I notice Waterloo Road is trending but this isn't......
Educationchat 20:44 #ukedchat If any learning is not relevant then it's worthless.
mikeatedji 20:44 @CreativeEdu #ukedchat Last week's, shurely (Ed)
MisiesD 20:44
@CreativeEdu #ukedchat Many teachers could be less standoffish(?) with
parents, Parent-teacher relationship can spead to community.
CreativeEdu 20:44
I worked in a very tough school which introduced street dance - it was a
tipping point, everyone wanted to succeed at it #ukedchat
cherrylkd 20:44
@mattbuxton10 #ukedchat that's a really good idea. I think we used to do
that but it's disappeared last few years. Will resurrect. Ta.
PivotalEllie 20:44 @atko73 #ukedchat Agree.
jadeano 20:44
#ukedchat @geekpeter we tweet as a school and encourage use of
phones and now iPads. Set up special twitter group they can be members
of
MattFothergill 20:44
@elliejcox Yes we keep sayin cool, but at least no one has said "guys" v
uncool. #ukedchat
kath_brentford 20:45I knew one PS where assemblies called out teachers' birthdays as well asstudents. Students happy that teachers have birthdays too #ukedchat
markhodges 20:45
@KnikiDavies but must be a large number not just the same few.
#ukedchat
MissAPatterson 20:45
#ukedchat I speak personally, but I would say teachers are motivated to
achieve, teachers have that passion for learning and progression
karenshancock 20:45
@Educationchat If the qualification is necessary then can the content
being irrelevant be overlooked to some extent? #ukedchat
CreativeEdu 20:45hmmm sorry for the mistweet earlier! think I went back in time a week tothe discussion on teacher perception! #ukedchat
that it is not 'cool' to do well at school? Thursday 18th August 2011
LearningSpy 20:46
#ukedchat Apparently self esteem & confidence is part of early years
education. Why is it not valued subsequently? We must address this
kath_brentford 20:47
RT @LearningSpy: #ukedchat Apparently self esteem & confidence is part
of early years education. Why is it not valued subsequently? We must
address this
Right2_Learn 20:47
@tj007 @markhodges @dailydenouement Agreed. You can be sure
parents will reinforce praise to their children after the call. #ukedchat
jadeano 20:47
#ukedchat @aubreii @GeekPeter yes funding for a boys school 1500
great motivation worth every penny love technology uncool lesson now
cool!
EmathsUK 20:47
@chrisleach78 #ukedchat Don't forget those non-geeks in your class are
THE geeks elsewhere. Maybe crap at maths, great at drama or PE or...
markhodges 20:47@tj007 and when most contact is not positive. Always catch them doingsomething good/ well. Raise their self esteem #ukedchat
sm_morris 20:47
@springrose12 #ukedchat There does seem to be an ever increasing gap
between curriculum/exam courses and students' lives
karenshancock 20:47
@GeekPeter @chrisleach78 Isn't that why they bully? They are
threatened by the "geek"s prowess. #ukedchat
PivotalEllie 20:47
RT @RossMannell: #ukedchat Are we looking at this from wrong
direction? How can we help the non-geeks so they don't feel need to put
down geeks to feel good?
LearningSpy 20:47
Me too RT #ukedchat I do the same, the more you play on being a geek
the more they like it. I even include my geekiness in my lessons now
KiDu89 20:47
RT @MissAPatterson: #ukedchat I speak personally, but I would say
teachers are motivated to achieve, teachers have that passion for
learning and progression
ePaceonline 20:47
#ukedchat @chrisleach78 on this point it is important that we value every
child in the class, everyone has a talent or strength.
atko73 20:47
Role models they can relate to -successful recent alumni-can be
invaluable as visitors, on any pretence....#ukedchat
GeographyCarrie 20:47@GeekPeter Sure, non-geeks def feel threatened by those overlyconfident geeks... and therefore never want to answer in class #ukedchat
GeekPeter 20:47 @MissAPatterson #ukedchat Not all of them do! Its quite scary!
ConsultantHead 20:47
@GeekPeter hang on - i'm missing Waterloo Road? see yopu are later!!
#ukedchat
LearningSpy 20:48
RT @MissAPatterson: #ukedchat Developing a love of learning can be
aided by active learning strategies,interactivity,engagement,creating
lessons that r relevant
chrisleach78 20:48
#ukedchat any role-models of cool geeks? (I like to think I am one for my
that it is not 'cool' to do well at school? Thursday 18th August 2011
CreativeEdu 20:49
RT @chrisleach78: #ukedchat any role-models of cool geeks? (I like to
think I am one for my pupils :) ) <brian cox?
ConsultantHead 20:49 @GeekPeter maybe not but they can always be hacked #ukedchat
jadeano 20:49
RT @atko73: ...2 old boys in 1st year at uni came in to use class as focus
gp for dev of iPhone game. Class loved it; game now in app store.
#ukedchat
chrisleach78 20:49
RT @MisiesD: #ukedchat HMI once marked me down for not praising
enough during lesson. Children got praise they deserved. Shouldn't be
compulsory praise.
madlizz 20:49
@RossMannell it's about knowing each child, spotting their talents and
raising their profile within the class/peer group. #ukedchat
MisiesD 20:49
#ukedchat HMI once marked me down for not praising enough during
lesson. Children got praise they deserved. Shouldn't be compulsory
praise.
EmathsUK 20:49
#ukedchat Beware of trying to make school cool. The generation gap is
important. Look at disasterous attempts by CoE to go yoof and cool!
GeographyCarrie 20:49
RT @chrisleach78: #ukedchat any role-models of cool geeks? (I like to
think I am one for my pupils :) )
victoriaellis 20:49
RT @jodieworld: #ukedchat I once saw a poster at USA Sec School "Be
nice to the geeks...One day you will work for them" - I LOVE THIS!
cherrylkd 20:50 @57mason #ukedchat very well put!
Totallywired77 20:50
RT @chrisleach78: #ukedchat guess we should be trying to avoid terms
such as 'cool' and 'geek' ?
ePaceonline 20:50 @philallman1 #ukedchat - yes, if you label praise it has extra meaning.
reflectivemaths 20:50
@KnikiDavies Absolutely. I taught a lovely, personable girl who was good
at everything. #ukedchat
a_p_martin 20:50
I recommend this as well. - great ideas. “@springrose12: @chrisleach
RSAChanging Education Paradigms http://t.co/97AAiaF via #ukedchatâ€
kath_brentford 20:50
@MisiesD Yes,, the problems of having 'star of the week' when every
child *must* get it once #ukedchat
KnikiDavies 20:50Where children feel confident in themselves and have high ambitions fortheir future,they are usually happy to achieve& be praised #ukedchat
LearningSpy 20:50
@atko73 Is it? I think you can teach Ss to be less afraid of failure
#ukedchat
GaryDavisa 20:50
gari #ukedchat Ex. rewards inc general praise = lower intrinsic
motivation(usually). Dweck's 'growth mindset' is key to status... davisa
Ron_Richter 20:50
ron #ukedchat Ex. rewards inc general praise = lower intrinsic
motivation(usually). Dweck's 'growth mindset' is key to status... ritcher
WilsonStant 20:50
wilson #ukedchat Ex. rewards inc general praise = lower intrinsic
motivation(usually). Dweck's 'growth mindset' is key to status... stant
that it is not 'cool' to do well at school? Thursday 18th August 2011
markhodges 20:51
RT @KnikiDavies: Where children feel confident in themselves and have
high ambitions for their future,they are usually happy to achieve& be
praised #ukedchat
karenshancock 20:51
#ukedchat How do we make the students realise that post 16 "cool"ness
is no longer a factor that pays any real relevance in your life...
CreativeEdu 20:51
We've mainly discussed how praise is uncool rather than success itself - is
it the praise, the success or both that are uncool? #ukedchat
ukedchat 20:51
We've mainly discussed how praise is uncool rather than success itself - is
it the praise, the success or both that are uncool? #ukedchat
LearningSpy 20:51
@KnikiDavies Yes - but the trick is in reaching Ss who don't feel like this
#ukedchat
GeographyCarrie 20:51
@chrisleach78 WE can try and avoid these words, but the students will
always use them in some form or other... #ukedchat
mattharding007 20:51
RT @chrisleach78: #ukedchat guess we should be trying to avoid terms
such as 'cool' and 'geek' ?
GeekPeter 20:51
#ukedchat We should get away from the word 'geek' and think of all
pupils as learners with potential to succeed!
KnikiDavies 20:52
#ukedchat Also based on small sample size - but I found many children
from eastern Europe have a very positive attitude towards learning
Totallywired77 20:52
#ukedchat ...and teachers using the term "cool" can AT TIMES be slightly
embarrassing for everyone concerned
mattpearson 20:52
@chrisleach78 yes cool and geek are absolute labels, people are messier.
cool some days, geeky others...this needs acknowledged #ukedchat
ePaceonline 20:52
#ukedchat, a class is made of 30 different pupils all learning same
material in different ways, finding out ho… (cont) http://t.co/I8SmbTa
chrisleach78 20:52
#ukedchat how do we instill in children the feeling that it is a positive to
succeed (how is success measured?)
coope83 20:52
@ukedchat @chrisleach78 I like to think of myself as a cool geek- but to
the pupils sadly, I'm not cool! Lol!!
CreativeEdu 20:52
@anhalf me too.. I hate praise when it's not actually meant / warranted.
#ukedchat
MissAPatterson 20:52
@GeekPeter I really dont think a teacher who is not motivated to learn
themselves is in the right profession! Role model! #ukedchat
Educationchat 20:52
@karenshancock I'd argue all learning should always be fun. Although
long division.... #ukedchat
mattbuxton10 20:52
Relevance a very loaded term in this context; not everything can be
relevant to every student in here & now, later in life though? #ukedchat
EmTeaches 20:52@chrisleach78 Role models must be relevant and aspirational to the chn,and able to talk positively about their own time at school #ukedchat
#ukedchat There's no easy fix for this is there? It's all about changing the
culture of achieving in school, a very long process!
JOHNSAYERS 20:56
RT @victoriaellis: RT @jodieworld: #ukedchat I once saw a poster at USA
Sec School "Be nice to the geeks...One day you will work for them" - I
LOVE THIS!
ConsultantHead 20:56 does anyone know who teenagers think are cool? # #ukedchat
karenshancock 20:56
@Educationchat Happy to rewrite my dictionary in that case. Not sure
that some of the Ss at my place see it that way. #ukedchat
mattbuxton10 20:56
Stop using 'cool'? Cameron looked brap/wicked/joke/extra in front of that
mural this week?!? #ukedchat
SheliBB 20:56
“@jadeano: #ukedchat even talking about cool and uncool is a
problem! Bang tidy and shame is the way forward! Lol†• . Lol from me
too! :D
atko73 20:56
@LearningSpy agree-resilience a crucial factor for future success in
whatever a student chooses to pursue. #ukedchat
tj007 20:56
I've just checked the meaning of geek http://t.co/cYolfgh Intelligence and
Obsession. Help Ss obsess about their work! #ukedchat
CreativeEdu 20:56
RT @joanne_rich Totally agree. Children see teachers as TEACHERS -
we're on a completely different planet compared to them #ukedchat
chilledteaching 20:56
We actively tag pupils who are not doing well on social media...saying
how well they are doing in school #ukedchat (only kiddin, really)
nancyrubin 20:57
RT @Spongelab: Teachers must use tech (FB, Twitter, online ed tech,
iDevices) that promote love of learning in a way that is innovative & cool
#ukedchat
ePaceonline 20:57RT @chrisleach78: If you have enjoyed tonight's #ukedchat i would reallyappreciate some comments on. Thank… (cont) http://t.co/jItBEDi
MissAPatterson 20:57
@chrisleach78 #ukedchat Thank you for tonight's chat. It has been great
to discuss and share with fellow educators. Thanks again!
CreativeEdu 20:57
RT @chilledteaching: We actively tag pupils who are not doing well on
social media...saying how well they are doing in school #ukedchat (only
kiddin, really)
chilledteaching 20:57
@CreativeEdu We actively tag pupils who are not doing well on social
media...saying how well they are doing in school #ukedchatLearningSpy 20:57 @CreativeEdu Thank God for that #ukedchat
GeekPeter 20:57 @ConsultantHead #ukedchat N'Dubz and Cheryl Cole haha!
#ukedchat Dr Who is portrayed as a cool geek. Think so anyway and ch
love him
chrisleach78 20:59 @joanne_rich do they have any thoughts about a solution ? :) #ukedchat
markhodges 20:59
RT @MattFothergill: #ukedchat There's no easy fix for this is there? It's all
about changing the culture of achieving in school, a very long process!
GeekPeter 20:59
Blimey I've acquired quite a number of new followers from tonight!
#ukedchat
jodieworld 20:59
@chrisleach78 Thanks for a great #ukedchat - a tricky topic and an
interesting one!
BobToms100 20:59#ukedchat & this's already been said on oth occasions - get moreTeachmeets in school as part of this process & not just external locations
LearningSpy 20:59 @reflectivemaths Maybe 'interesting' would be a better word? #ukedchat
kath_brentford 20:59 Thank you all, it's been a really interesting #ukedchat tonight
jadeano 20:59
RT @Spongelab: Teachers must use tech (FB, Twitter, online ed tech,
iDevices) that promote love of learning in a way that is innovative & cool
#ukedchat
chrisleach78 20:59
Woah, doesnt time fly - just finishing off tonight's #ukedchat Thank you
everyone for all your comments :)
G_for_Gemma 20:59
Thanks #ukedchat despite being late picked up a few ideas. Food for
thought tho, are we hamstrung by school ethos, how much can we do
alone
camhitachi 21:00
@reflectivemaths thanks - looking for 100 reasons for businesses to work
with schools (and vice versa) for a blog piece #ukedchat #csr
Totallywired77 21:00
@GeekPeter: "Blimey I've acquired quite a number of new followers from
tonight! #ukedchat†• perfect example of geeks achieving ;^)
chrisleach78 21:00
RT @ukedchat: 9pm alreadyÂ… thanks to @chrisleach78 for a great
#ukedchat and to you all for taking part
LearningSpy 21:00@Natty08 most of my students seem blithely unaware of the press#ukedchat
ukedchat 21:00
9pm alreadyÂ… thanks to @chrisleach78 for a great #ukedchat and to you
all for taking part
iamsallymoore 21:00 RT @mattharding007: @iamsallymoore And wicked. #ukedchat
ePaceonline 21:00
@chrisleach78 #ukedchat looks like it's been another full debate. Thanks
and look forward to archive
janeyk419 21:00 #ukedchat Geeks defined http://t.co/H4ODNGC
reflectivemaths 21:00 @LearningSpy Pure Maths = Irrelevant #ukedchat
CreativeEdu 21:00
9pm alreadyÂ… thanks to @chrisleach78 for a great #ukedchat and to you
all for taking part
DrDav 21:00
@EmathsUK Absolutely, but that does make the 'fun' ang 'engaging'
that it is not 'cool' to do well at school? Thursday 18th August 2011
Dan_Aldred 21:00
@chrisleach78: #ukedchat on the labelling of students. very scientific.
Darwin did this many years ago. Maybe we need to arrange everything
G_for_Gemma 21:00 @chrisleach78 thanks! #ukedchat
ICTmagic 21:00
Final thought - I wasn't cool as a child and I'm sure not going to start now!
:) #ukedchat
atko73 21:00Pleased to find this-interesting & thought provoking stuff. Thank you.#ukedchat
karenshancock 21:00
That was a quick 60 minutes. I enjoyed that. I'll be back again. Thank
you. #ukedchat
jadeano 21:00
“@iamsallymoore: School has to be sick! #ukedchat†• not anymore,
they're bear tidy!
ConsultantHead 21:01
@MsKateRyan no but it might point us in the right direction my son thinks
a top skater guy is cool becasue he's into skateboarding #ukedchat
MissAPatterson 21:01@reflectivemaths @LearningSpy Surely being relevant always matters,linking it to contemporary society is always a positive #ukedchat
cherrylkd 21:01
@chrisleach78 #ukedchat Well done ! told you you'd be fab. Thank you,
I've got new ideas for sept now.
chrisleach78 21:01
#ukedchat Thank you all - thoroughly enjoyed my first time as Host of
#ukedchat - might be persuaded to do it again :)
Totallywired77 21:01
@chrisleach78: "Woah, doesnt time fly - just finishing off tonight's
#ukedchat Thank you everyone for all your comments :)†• > good work
mate
mikeatedji 21:01 #ukedchat Thank you @chrisleach78
kath_brentford 21:01
@madlizz @MisiesD think everyone could do with being praised more,
whatever their age #ukedchat
MisiesD 21:01
#ukedchat Think primary and secondary must be very different as far as
praise is concerned. Night all.
EmathsUK 21:01 @ukedchat @chrisleach78 #ukedchat Good stuff! Thanks all!
mattbuxton10 21:01
@geekpeter A lot of Rappers/Hip Hop stars etc are v intelligent, their stuff
is insightful etc but isn't what kids admire them 4! #ukedchat
LearningSpy 21:01
@reflectivemaths Only in a real world context - surely relevant within
subject. And if not relevant, at least interesting? #ukedchat
ukedchat 21:01keep an eye on the blog http://ow.ly/66R1v for the #ukedchat summarywhich host @chris_1974 will be completing soon.
CreativeEdu 21:01
keep an eye on the blog http://ow.ly/66QZX for the #ukedchat summary
which host @chris_1974 will be completing soon.
Arakwai 21:01
#ukedchat If sch'ls give opps's for students to achieve in variety of areas
(sport, drama) this helps celebrating success @ schl become OK.
hancheetham 21:01
@chrisleach78 v. interesting chat tonight on motivating students at
#ukedchat thankyou all
teachitso 21:01 TorchWood is a lesson in being cool #ukedchat
Right2_Learn 21:01
RT @camhitachi: @kath_brentford @Right2_Learn Case study athttp://t.co/KkxwRZl - evidence 4 positive power of business mentors, by