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What is Independent Learning?
Host - @JamesMichie
username time status
jamesmichie 19:55
If ur joining in with #ukedchat don't forget to include the hashtag. :-
)
janeconsidine 19:55
Independence is fostered when pupils are empowered to make
proactive decisions, organise themselves & execute their plans
#ukedchat #choice
MrWickensPE 19:55 beer in hand, ideas roaring to go...let get ready for #ukedchat
i2eEducation 19:55
RT @ukedchat: Just enough time to grab a cuppa and do your
#ukedchat pre-reading before we get going at 8pm:
http://t.co/lBM3Zp43
TyncanLtd 19:55
@billgibbon not tuning in to #UKedchat or are you mobile! Khans is
great wish I was there, still in the office. Enjoy!
jamesmichie 19:55
#ukedchat begins in a few mins. Topic: Independent Learning.
Opening question: "What is Independent Learning?"
daShcoaching 19:56
RT @passionateaboot: "Success builds character but it's failure thatreveals it." - The Times today - are you reading educators
#ukedchat http://t.co/W0KwFQso
KV80 19:56 Just got through M6 traffic in time for #ukedchat!
Ideas_Factory 19:56
RT @jamesmichie: If ur joining in with #ukedchat don't forget to
include the hashtag. :-)
dailydenouement 19:57
What is independent earning in your subject/phase/context? What
does it look like? #ukedchat
jamesmichie 19:58
Welcome to this week's #ukedchat. Beginning with "What is
Independent Learning?"
BrightAire 19:58 Now what do I do? Only kidding! #ukedchat
dailydenouement 19:58
Learning. Not earning! RT @dailydenouement: What is independent
earning in your subject/phase/context? What does it look like?
#ukedchat
janeconsidine 19:59
Real pupil choice needs to be timetabled into the school year e.g.
pupil choice weeks so they can genuinely design their learning
#ukedchat
Rblteach 19:59
a colleague said today..'my students think I'm their wet
nurse!'!#ukedchat
daShcoaching 19:59 @jamesmichie #ukedchat thinking for yourself
KV80 19:59
not being spoon fed but being given the skills to find answers for
themselves #ukedchat
dailydenouement 19:59
RT @Romaaddict: Isn't a desire to learn at the core of any
discussion of independance in learning? #ukedchat
jamesmichie 19:59
RT @Romaaddict: Isn't a desire to learn at the core of any
discussion of independance in learning? #ukedchat
dailydenouement 19:59
RT @Andy__Stokes: Independent learning in practice:pupils
engaged, questioning and in an enquiry, with minimal teacher
input? #ukedchat
Andy__Stokes 19:59
Independent learning in practice:pupils engaged, questioning and in
an enquiry, with minimal teacher input? #ukedchat
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mjowchs 19:59
#ukedchat Independent learning is being given a task and following
it, independently, to come to your own conclusion, seeking help if
needed
Romaaddict 19:59
Isn't a desire to learn at the core of any discussion of independance
in learning? #ukedchat
MrWickensPE 19:59 I use 4 key questions that all my students know... #ukedchat
nancyrubin 19:59
RT @jamesmichie: Welcome to this week's #ukedchat. Beginning
with "What is Independent Learning?"
ukedchat 20:00
It's 8pm! Welcome to this evening's #ukedchat - your host is
@jamesmichie and the topic is independent learning
dailydenouement 20:00
Ah yes, 'spoon-feeding' *hangs head guiltily RT @KV80: not being
spoon fed but being given skills to find answers for themselves
#ukedchat
Ideas_Factory 20:00
#ukedchat Independant learning is an open-ended question, a
thunk, an investigation and a problem with no right or wrong
answer .
jamesmichie 20:00
@Rblteach That's the problem. Too much babying - spoon feeding
#ukedchat
Spongelab 20:00
Health expert urges ban on shaking hands to prevent spread of flu
http://t.co/GOl79YXk #edtech #edchat #lrnchat #scichat #ukedchat
nancyrubin 20:00
RT @jamesmichie: Agreed. For me Independent Learning is learning
that is self-directed. #ukedchat
ukedchat 20:00 8pm - Time for #ukedchat with @JamesMichie
jamesmichie 20:00
RT @Rblteach: a colleague said today..'my students think I'm their
wet nurse!'!#ukedchat
BrightAire 20:00
Independent learning is the drive & ability (devt. appropriate) to
direct ones own learning #ukedchat
MrWickensPE 20:00
Four key questions with subject specific terms that students can use
in the lesson @dailydenouement #ukedchat
jamesmichie 20:00
Agreed. For me Independent Learning is learning that is self-
directed. #ukedchat
MattFothergill 20:01
Independent learning is knowing what you're learning and
knowing/finding out what you need to do to get there #ukedchat
EclipseLeaders 20:01
For true independent learning to take place pupils must be
empowered to be leaders within the school. The Eclipse scheme
does this #ukedchat
BrightAire 20:01
Independent learning is certainly hampered by taking decisions out
of the hands of students #ukedchat
ukedchat 20:01 Want to watch #ukedchat this evening? Try http://t.co/7NgLyrxZ
KV80 20:01
RT @MrWickensPE: the ideal Independent learning lesson: the
teacher guides, but does not interfere! #ukedchat
mrprcollins 20:01I've recently had 2 of my Year 11s ask for more challenges to be seton @mangahigh for them to do at home #ukedchat
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Host - @JamesMichie
jamesmichie 20:01
RT @oliverquinlan: #ukedchat Independent learning has to start
with pupil choice. Learners finding and defining their own real
problems.
Romaaddict 20:01
After all, look at us saddos: we're here - learning because we
choose to do so! Yes to more timetabled choice and self direction
#ukedchat
MrWickensPE 20:01the ideal Independent learning lesson: the teacher guides, but doesnot interfere! #ukedchat
dailydenouement 20:01
RT @MissPollockBlog: 'Brain, book, buddy, boss' just one strategy
to encourage a little independence in class http://t.co/diSg5530
#ukedchat
oliverquinlan 20:01
#ukedchat Independent learning has to start with pupil choice.
Learners finding and defining their own real problems.
MissPollockBlog 20:01
'Brain, book, buddy, boss' just one strategy to encourage a little
independence in class http://t.co/diSg5530 #ukedchat
mjowchs 20:01#ukedchat@Rblteach too often the case we need to develop themworking for themselves
ICTwitz 20:02
At what age do you start the 'Independent Learning' process? Do
pupils need teaching the skills? #ukedchat
dailydenouement 20:02 Is independent learning a skill that needs to be taught? #ukedchat
Kathrynwiki 20:02
I like to see students exploring and carrying out tasks with minimal
instruction whilst spoon feeding those who struggle #ukedchat
Ideas_Factory 20:02
#ukedchat Independant learning is the best opportunity an
educator has to be quiet, take a rest and let the kids work it out for
themselves
philallman1 20:02
'Intelligence is knowing what to do when you don't know what to
do' Da Costa #ukedchat
KV80 20:02
Independent learning is also about knowing your strengths and
weaknesses and how to improve #ukedchat
mjowchs 20:02
#ukedchat independant learning, quote on the radio the othet
morning, you have to dig the well before you can drink the water
jamesmichie 20:02
@MrWickensPE Is that Independent Learning or Personalised
Learning? Does there need to be a teacher? #ukedchat
eed_net 20:02
Learners can cultivate independence. By the same token they need
to learn the reciprocal skills of interdependence! #ukedchat
Kathrynwiki 20:02
@dailydenouement yep to much spoon feeding - I give the whole
lesson on a wiki so some can get on #ukedchat
CoreyLeeKilloug 20:03
RT @briankotts: Chewing gum helps Swedish students learn
http://t.co/jTu0GKYl /via @TheLocalSweden #edchat #ukedchat
dailydenouement 20:03
Could you elaborate? RT @mserridge: #ukedchat AfL is the key to
allow pupils to work independently in lessons
jamesmichie 20:03
RT @ukedchat: Our first job is to define independent learning...
what do we mean by it? #ukedchat
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Kathrynwiki 20:03
@ICTwitz I tutor my 9 year old son and he does a lot of
independant learning - he is operating at a 7 year old level
#ukedchat
torquay7 20:03
RT @TeacherToolkit: Some detail on #personalisedLearning by
@NSCL #ukedchat http://t.co/PP0J19XB
KV80 20:03for some unfortunately yes but not all RT @dailydenouement: Isindependent learning a skill that needs to be taught? #ukedchat
mserridge 20:03
#ukedchat AfL is the key to allow pupils to work independently in
lessons
oliverquinlan 20:03
RT @Ideas_Factory: #ukedchat Independant learning is the best
opportunity an educator has to be quiet, take a rest and let the kids
work it out for themselves
taffwatts 20:03
RT @Ideas_Factory: #ukedchat Independant learning is the best
opportunity an educator has to be quiet, take a rest and let the kids
work it out for themselves
Andy__Stokes 20:03
Does the structure of the curriculum not limit the potential for
independent learning, and encourage testing by number #ukedchat
mjowchs 20:03
@philallman1 #ukedchat only asking for teacher help if you're really
stuck or a neighbour can help
jamesmichie 20:03
RT @dailydenouement: Is independent learning a skill that needs to
be taught? #ukedchat
theokk 20:03
@jamesmichie @oliverquinlan my question would be - how wide is
that choice? #ukedchat
ukedchat 20:03
Our first job is to define independent learning... what do we mean
by it? #ukedchat
LearningSpy 20:04
#ukedchat Teachers need to stop spoon feeding and allow students
to fail
TyncanLtd 20:04 Sugata Mitra! Nuff said! http://t.co/FtZFiYsV #ukedchat
oliverquinlan 20:04
RT @BrightAire: Think ynger children tend already to be indep
learners. The habit gets "knocked out" of them as they "progress"
through school #ukedchat
mbrayford 20:04
RT @oliverquinlan: #ukedchat Independent learning has to start
with pupil choice. Learners finding and defining their own real
problems.
mjowchs 20:04
#ukedchat does having an objective or outcome on the board at
the start define the end therfore remove independance ?
jamesmichie 20:04
RT @Andy__Stokes: Does the structure of the curriculum not limit
the potential for independent learning, and encourage testing by
number #ukedchat
dailydenouement 20:04
Love that! Good point sir! RT @oliverquinlan: #ukedchat
@dailydenouement Perhaps it just needs to be allowed, not taught.
jamesmichie 20:04
@MrWickensPE I guess that could depend at what stage of learning
they are at #ukedchat
helenhamill 20:04
@dailydenouement #ukedchat yes to ASD child who generally hasprocessing and independent problems as part of cognitive ability
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BrightAire 20:04
Think ynger children tend already to be indep learners. The habit
gets "knocked out" of them as they "progress" through school
#ukedchat
Kathrynwiki 20:04
@Andy__Stokes I think the curriculum often stifles independent
learning #ukedchat
ukedchat 20:04
Indpendent Learning - what role does the teacher have to play?
http://t.co/9G7kzCPT #ukedchat
dukkhaboy 20:04
is independent learning just a modern phrase for projects?
#ukedchat
jamesmichie 20:04
@theokk That's a good question. That perhaps is one of the
constraints. #ukedchat
oliverquinlan 20:04
#ukedchat @dailydenouement Perhaps it just needs to be allowed,
not taught.
philallman1 20:04
@Andy__Stokes completely which is why as educators we have a
responsibility to expand learning not narrow it #ukedchat
maz_blaze90 20:05@LearningSpy @ukedchat #ukedchat teachers need to be allowedto LET students fail
oliverquinlan 20:05
RT @Ideas_Factory: #ukedchat It has to be 'real' pupil choice tho-
too many in edu give pupils the illusion of choice. -well said
jamesmichie 20:05
RT @B_Sharpie: @janeconsidine and being allowed to fail!
#ukedchat
Andy__Stokes 20:05
@philallman1 agreed Phil the challenge therefore is how to do it
with our hands tied or perhaps not? #ukedchat
ICTwitz 20:05
@BrightAire Very good point. Children come to school as Ind
Learners, and then teachers make them conform! #ukedchat
ukedchat 20:05 @LearningSpy can you expand on this? #ukedchat
LearningSpy 20:05
@BrightAire Is this because of the pressure of getting them through
tests? #ukedchat
dailydenouement 20:05
RT @helenhamill: @dailydenouement #ukedchat yes to ASD child
who generally has processing and independent problems as part of
cognitive ability profile
i2eEducation 20:05
Teaching independent learning is essential for employability.
Independence is key skill for employers when hiring young people
#ukedchat
kennypieper 20:05
#ukedchat do we not need to start by teaching kids HOW to learn
and what learning means?
jamesmichie 20:05
#ukedchat Do kids know what they want to learn? Is that a
prerequisite?
futurebehaviour 20:05 Stop teaching, start facilitating learning. #ukedchat
ukedchat 20:05
RT @LearningSpy: #ukedchat Teachers need to stop spoon feeding
and allow students to fail
theokk 20:05
#ukedchat a la carte, MWay services or hunt and gather?
#ukedchat
daShcoaching 20:05 Give pupils AND teachers coaching & mentoring skills #ukedchat
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dailydenouement 20:05
#ukedchat RT @MissPollockBlog:I think so, it's taken me 25 years to
learn how to learn independently!Skills and motivation should be a
must.
philallman1 20:05
@mjowchs depends on the nature of the objective - closed or open
#ukedchat
B_Sharpie 20:05 @janeconsidine and being allowed to fail! #ukedchat
ukedchat 20:05
RT @oliverquinlan: #ukedchat Independent learning has to startwith pupil choice. Learners finding and defining their own real
problems.
MrWickensPE 20:05
Ideally No! But can students learn in a quality environment with
some guidance? @jamesmichie #ukedchat
Ideas_Factory 20:05
@oliverquinlan #ukedchat It has to be 'real' pupil choice tho-too
many in edu give pupils the illusion of choice.
MissKMcCulloch 20:05
#ukedchat how do people balance the demands of exams against
pupil-driven learning? I worry about pace
Biolady99 20:05 learner-led #ukedchat
nancyrubin 20:05RT @ukedchat: "Indpendent Learning - what role does the teacherhave to play?" http://t.co/xXVpcD0S #ukedchat
ukedchat 20:05
Once we're happy with our definition of I.L. we'll be exploring
constraints, and ways around them #ukedchat
sharland 20:05
#ukedchat at the moment I am working on the basis that personal
reflection on learning through blogging is key to independent
learning
Laura_Suths 20:06
#ukedchat doesn't independent learning depend on the quality of
questioning from pupils & teacher alike? How do we ask the right
questions?
LearningSpy 20:06
@mjowchs Fair point but we need to find opportunities for them to
fail safely #ukedchat
jamesmichie 20:06 @MissKMcCulloch Is that effective learning though? #ukedchat
oliverquinlan 20:06
RT @jamesmichie: #ukedchat Do kids know what they want to
learn? Is that a prerequisite? - how do we know? So few educators
actually ask
Ideas_Factory 20:06
#ukedchat We have to give students in Independant Learning the
conditions to feel comfortable to make mistakes.2 much focus on
perfection
dailydenouement 20:06
RT @i2eEducation: Teaching independent learning is essential for
employability. Independence is key skill for employers when hiring
young people #ukedchat
ukedchat 20:06
In order to save valuable tweet real estate I'm going to suggest that
from here on in we can refer to Independent Learning as IL
#ukedchat
toppsines 20:06 QUICK how do I follow #ukedchat?
ecarsontc 20:06
@MrWickensPE #ukedchat those r the aim 4 all my ICT lessons. Gr8
4 encouraging creativity and self / peer support
day_tom 20:06@ICTwitz #ukedchat Don't teachers need to be taught first - it is acomfort zone. Most are 'safe' talking to students, risk free teaching
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B_Sharpie 20:06
@janeconsidine ..and having the confidence to be able to fail!
#ukedchat #choice
MissKMcCulloch 20:06
#ukedchat in answer to my own question, those who struggle to
keep pace will learn at least as much as they would with me
lecturing!
dailydenouement 20:06
RT @BrightAire: Certainly think that a "spirit of adventure" in
learning is sometimes constrained by framing explicit objs at startof session #ukedchat
dailydenouement 20:06
RT @danpotheteacher: @ukedchat equiping pupils with basic skills
to solve problems, find relevant information, recognise and meet
their own needs #ukedchat
philallman1 20:06
@Andy__Stokes I refuse to allow the rope around my wrists ;)
#ukedchat
BrightAire 20:06
Certainly think that a "spirit of adventure" in learning is sometimes
constrained by framing explicit objs at start of session #ukedchat
danpotheteacher 20:06
@ukedchat equiping pupils with basic skills to solve problems, findrelevant information, recognise and meet their own needs
#ukedchat
mjowchs 20:06
@LearningSpy #ukedchat and how will that affect your
departments residuals ?
Kathrynwiki 20:06
@sharland I agree personal reflection can be key to independent
learning #ukedchat
ukedchat 20:06
Do you think failure is an important part of indpendent learning?
Why / why not? #ukedchat
MrWickensPE 20:06
'Students successfully taking responsibility for their learning'
@ukedchat #ukedchat
Ange_K1 20:07
RT @LearningSpy: #ukedchat Teachers need to stop spoon feeding
and allow students to fail
daShcoaching 20:07
RT @futurebehaviour Stop teaching, start facilitating learning.
#ukedchat
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jamesmichie 20:07
RT @ICTwitz: @day_tom Completely agree. Should be part of
teacher training! #ukedchat
ICTwitz 20:07
@day_tom Completely agree. Should be part of teacher training!
#ukedchat
helenhamill 20:07
@LearningSpy #ukedchat in aspergers pupil it need be taught step
by step...gradually teaching independence! non-neurotypical
learner!
cherrylkd 20:07
@mjowchs #ukedchat with AfL in place ch knows their next steps &
how to get there, fosters independent learning.
jamesmichie 20:07
RT @oliverquinlan: RT @jamesmichie: #ukedchat Do kids know
what they want to learn? Is that a prerequisite? - how do we know?
So few educators actually ask
dailydenouement 20:07
RT @Laura_Suths: #ukedchat doesn't independent learning depend
on the quality of questioning from pupils & teacher alike? How do
we ask the right questions?
dailydenouement 20:08
Had lesson obs this week which was all independent learning. Best
one in a while. I felt I was making myself redundant though!#ukedchat
BrightAire 20:08 There's little space in my context to allow failure. #ukedchat
dailydenouement 20:08
Had lesson obs this week which was all independent learning. Best
one in a while. I felt I was making myself redundant though!
#ukedchat
BrightAire 20:08 There's little space in my context to allow failure. #ukedchat
mrpeel 20:08
#Ukedchat too much scaffolding removes independence and makes
them needy
mrpeel 20:08
#Ukedchat too much scaffolding removes independence and makes
them needy
LearningSpy 20:08
@mjowchs not good for residuals or Ss to fail final exm. I believe all
students can succeed but not without experiencing failure
#ukedchat
LearningSpy 20:08
@mjowchs not good for residuals or Ss to fail final exm. I believe all
students can succeed but not without experiencing failure
#ukedchat
oliverquinlan 20:08
#ukedchat You shouldn't be a teacher if you are not a good
independent learner. Children need models.
oliverquinlan 20:08
#ukedchat You shouldn't be a teacher if you are not a good
independent learner. Children need models.
KerriDrama 20:08
Students leading learning, exploring for themselves, teacher
stepping back, taking more risk & taking role of a facilitator.
#ukedchat
KerriDrama 20:08
Students leading learning, exploring for themselves, teacher
stepping back, taking more risk & taking role of a facilitator.
#ukedchat
Andy__Stokes 20:08
@philallman1 glad to hear it unfortunately the same cannot be said
for all in education, systemic changes could help the cause
#ukedchat
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Andy__Stokes 20:08
@philallman1 glad to hear it unfortunately the same cannot be said
for all in education, systemic changes could help the cause
#ukedchat
ICTwitz 20:08 @KV80 ...and then they go to school, and it goes #ukedchat
ukedchat 20:08
@toppsines #ukedchat - a guide: http://t.co/UvGy6qCx
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LawrenceBham 20:09
#Ukedchat pupils need to be equipped with the tools not only to
get them through education but also successfully in the workplace!
SheliBB 20:09
@ukedchat making mistakes is an important part of learning. Don't
think of it as 'failure' think of it as learning processes #ukedchat
Nic5Harrison 20:09Pupils taking ownership of their targets - partnering with teacher#ukedchat
ukedchat 20:09 RT @gsussex: #ukedchat children taking the lead in their learning
Romaaddict 20:09
#ukedchat Definition: Self motivated, self-reliant,values learning for
the joy of learning, adaptable, exploratory?
MissKMcCulloch 20:09
@dailydenouement hopeful that Curriculum for excellence in
scotland might eventually achieve this #ukedchat
MissKMcCulloch 20:09
@dailydenouement hopeful that Curriculum for excellence in
scotland might eventually achieve this #ukedchat
Ideas_Factory 20:09
#ukedchat I've been calling it Pupil choice/pupil voice for years-you
ask what pupils what to learn ,ACTUALLY listen & act on it.
Ideas_Factory 20:09
#ukedchat I've been calling it Pupil choice/pupil voice for years-you
ask what pupils what to learn ,ACTUALLY listen & act on it.
jamesmichie 20:09
@theokk Nicely put, how can we help them to see the summits?
#ukedchat
jamesmichie 20:09
@theokk Nicely put, how can we help them to see the summits?
#ukedchat
mattbuxton10 20:10
@daShcoaching Stop teaching?? Its a mixture of teaching & guiding
thats required; spotting opportunities 2 do both 4 understanding
#ukedchat
ShaunGosney 20:10
RT @oliverquinlan: RT @dailydenouement: Had lesson obs this
week... making myself redundant though! #ukedchat - culture of
guilt & teachers proving their worth
Stanalang 20:10 @LawrenceBham #ukedchat Totally agree - skills for life
Andy__Stokes 20:10
@KerriDrama and there lies the problem; The role of the teacher
and our collective willingness to take risks #ukedchat
ICTwitz 20:10 @Kathrynwiki Isn't that scandelous #ukedchat
MrWickensPE 20:10
RT @maz_blaze90: @LearningSpy @ukedchat #ukedchat teachers
need to be allowed to LET students fail < 100% its the teacher being
brave enough
MrCursonTweets 20:10
#ukedchat are independent learners shackled by the use of levels.
Does knowing where they are and what they need to do limit
creativity?
mserridge 20:10
@cherrylkd: @mjowchs #ukedchat with AfL in place ch knows
their next steps & how to get there, fosters independent IL. and
peer/self ass
theokk 20:10
@jamesmichie tell them of the adventure and fun to be had, sense
of achievement #ukedchat
ukedchat 20:10
If you've just joined #ukedchat the topic is Independent Learning
(IL) & @jamesmichie is hosting
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ICTwitz 20:10
@MissKMcCulloch I BET at the age of 6 or 7, which happens to be in
Year 2, when pupils are subject to testing! #ukedchat
oliverquinlan 20:10
RT @dailydenouement: Had lesson obs this week... making myself
redundant though! #ukedchat - culture of guilt & teachers proving
their worth
LearningSpy 20:10#ukedchat Teaching Ss about Dweck's mindsets has had anenormous impact on Ss's willingness to fail better
DepJo 20:10
#ukedchat Independent learning requires adequate resourcing.. ICT
and other resources need to be in enough quantity & up to date to
allow it
ICTwitz 20:11
@Kathrynwiki Exactly. I wish more parents had that philosophy!
#ukedchat
ukedchat 20:11
Please remember to include #ukedchat in your tweets to make sure
that everyone sees them!
oliverquinlan 20:11
RT @jamesmichie: Okay, what skills and attributes does an
independent learner need? #ukedchat- isn't that already takingaway their choice?
mattpearson 20:11
independent learners need to be tenacious, and not frightened to
fail.. #ukedchat
jamesmichie 20:11
RT @BrightAire: Yes. Spoon feeding doesn't develop learners. And
it's not just about the workplace either. Prepare for life 1st,
livelihood 2nd #ukedchat
Laura_Suths 20:11
@ICTwiz often it is stifled by teacher fear of exam results. We must
be allowed to foster IL & trust in it. #Ukedchat
skoorBttaM 20:11
RT @oliverquinlan: RT @dailydenouement: Had lesson obs this
week... making myself redundant though! #ukedchat - culture of
guilt & teachers proving their worth
Rblteach 20:11
To encourage pupil independence-staff need the confidence to be
flexible too #ukedchat
dailydenouement 20:11
RT @BrightAire: Yes. Spoon feeding doesn't develop learners. And
it's not just about the workplace either. Prepare for life 1st,
livelihood 2nd #ukedchat
KV80 20:11 @ICTwitz so sad but true! #ukedchat
jamesmichie 20:11
RT @theokk: @jamesmichie tell them of the adventure and fun to
be had, sense of achievement #ukedchat
theokk 20:11
@jamesmichie agree, look who's learning bagpipes at 70
#ukedchat http://t.co/h6zOwS1S
maz_blaze90 20:11
@MrWickensPE @LearningSpy @ukedchat #ukedchat some of us
CAN'T let students fail - targets...
BrightAire 20:11
Yes. Spoon feeding doesn't develop learners. And it's not just about
the workplace either. Prepare for life 1st, livelihood 2nd #ukedchat
mrprcollins 20:11
Independent Learning = student's becoming responsible for their
own learning #ukedchat
Kathrynwiki 20:11
@ICTwitz Very - considering not having him in school for them. I've
already told them they are meaningless #ukedchat
ukedchat 20:11
RT @toppsines: @ukedchat IL teachers are the
facilitators.#ukedchat
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i2eEducation 20:11
RT @LawrenceBham: #Ukedchat pupils need to be equipped with
the tools not only to get them through education but also
successfully in the workplace!
ICTwitz 20:11
@KV80 Yes, until they reach 6 or 7, when they are suddenly
subjected to testing!!! #ukedchat
Brendano 20:11
@ukedchat #ukedchat closing today: register for
http://t.co/ErgMzupZ could ur studnts make a 60second video in 2week$?
jamesmichie 20:11
Okay, what skills and attributes does an independent learner need?
#ukedchat
ukedchat 20:11
@toppsines thanks for joining in - if you type #ukedchat then all
your tweets will be seen by everyone - I'll retweet your tweet too
oliverquinlan 20:11
@MrWickensPE @jamesmichie #ukedchat yikes- is t engraving on
their minds the antithesis of independence?
doglaunchers 20:12
#ukedchat Relevance key 2 independence - eg writing/debating
competitions, blogs, wikis, Skills 4 Work courses, elective shortcourses, etc.
ShaunGosney 20:12
@jamesmichie i call it 3D - Discipline, desire, determination!
#ukedchat
LearningSpy 20:12
@maz_blaze90 That's defeatist! Find ways for them to fail so that
they succeed later. #ukedchat
mjowchs 20:12
#ukedchat IL students taking responsibility ????? good god perish
the thought : )
LawrenceBham 20:12 #Ukedchat
ukedchat 20:12
RT @mrprcollins: Independent Learning = student's becoming
responsible for their own learning #ukedchat
BrightAire 20:12
Main attribute is active curiosity. Then age approp. research skills &
synthesis #ukedchat
MissPollockBlog 20:12
@mjowchs I don't think so, having an aim/goal is important for any
learning, While they are learning independence skills #ukedchat
TyncanLtd 20:12
@KV80 @ICTwitz Example: Schools not allow students to catch a
bus to another learning centre because of HSE promotes
dependence! #ukedchat
ICTwitz 20:12
@Laura_Suths We live in a sad, fear culture at the moment in many
area, and this is one such case #ukedchat
ukedchat 20:12
RT @jamesmichie: Okay, what skills and attributes does an
independent learner need? #ukedchat
mbrayford 20:12
RT @mattpearson: independent learners need to be tenacious, and
not frightened to fail.. #ukedchat
dailydenouement 20:12
Very true. We are too grades/levels based.RT @mattpearson:
independent learners need to be tenacious, and not frightened to
fail.. #ukedchat
MrWickensPE 20:12
hard work to implement at the start though...again, its just the
teacher needing to be brave! @ecarsontc #ukedchat
jamesmichie 20:13RT @Laura_Suths: #Ukedchat a good stimulus leads to developinggood IL skills. Have we got any resources to share?
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jamesmichie 20:13
RT @Laura_Suths: #Ukedchat a good stimulus leads to developing
good IL skills. Have we got any resources to share?
Andy__Stokes 20:13
My daughters observation as a year 2 ITT: In primary pupils learn
(Independently, in secondary they get work to do #ukedchat
Rblteach 20:13@mattpearson agreed-how students respond to failure is a cruciallife lesson #ukedchat
philallman1 20:13
If you engender IL then personalised learning is what happens all
the time! #ukedchat
vickystrat1989 20:13
RT @oliverquinlan: #ukedchat You shouldn't be a teacher if you are
not a good independent learner. Children need models.
Biolady99 20:13 self-motivation to learn and progress more #ukedchat
KV80 20:13
RT @Kathrynwiki: curisiosity for me and excitement, learning how
rewarding it it to learn is key #ukedchat
ukedchat 20:13RT @mattpearson: independent learners need to be tenacious, andnot frightened to fail.. #ukedchat
ukedchat 20:13
RT @mbrayford: RT @mattpearson: independent learners need to
be tenacious, and not frightened to fail.. #ukedchat
Laura_Suths 20:13
#Ukedchat a good stimulus leads to developing good IL skills. Have
we got any resources to share?
jamesmichie 20:13
RT @ShaunGosney: @jamesmichie i call it 3D - Discipline, desire,
determination! #ukedchat
LearningSpy 20:13
@daShcoaching All very well, except direct instruction is the most
effective way for students to learn new knowledge #ukedchat
Kathrynwiki 20:13
curisiosity for me and excitement, learning how rewarding it it to
learn is key #ukedchat
Ideas_Factory 20:13
#ukedchat it CAN be done-I once got an outstanding obs from
OFSTED & it was a S&L jigsawing/envoy-I hardly spoke!All came
from kids!
KV80 20:13
ILs need to be confident, not fearful of failing and enquiring
#ukedchat (amongst other things)
jamesmichie 20:13
RT @MissPollockBlog: @mjowchs I don't think so, having an
aim/goal is important for any learning, While they are learning
independence skills #ukedchat
UKCHAZ 20:13
#ukedchat I would suggest that IL is really about getting schools to
think in a different way about #narrowingthegap. Best outcomes for
ALL
DepJo 20:13
#ukedchat What do you think is the difference between
independent learning and personalised learning?
jamesmichie 20:13 RT @LawrenceBham: #Ukedchat
graingered 20:13
If it is to be, it's up to we...Every class we teach is a new opportunity
to embrace now http://t.co/r0OmLRGC #edchat #cpchat #ukedchat
E4FE 20:13
RT @oliverquinlan: #ukedchat Independent learning has to startwith pupil choice. Learners finding and defining their own real
problems.
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lankyflamingo 20:13
#ukedchat all kids are indep learners when they want to learn
something. Got to create the hunger first then show them how.
MrWickensPE 20:14
If they get to GCSE and can't work independently; is that too late?
We need to get them early....KS2/3 @maz_blaze90 #ukedchat
Ideas_Factory 20:14
@essentialshaz #ukedchat It does take a lot of perseverance-kidshave to be coached,build up confidence,understand that mistakes r
ok
Starshine_Music 20:14 #ukedchat @lankyflamingo too true
LawrenceBham 20:14 #Ukedchat
ukedchat 20:14
RT @philallman1: If you engender IL then personalised learning is
what happens all the time! #ukedchat
lankyflamingo 20:14
RT @ikeontoast: #ukedchat - i think best way to get independent
learners is make sure they enjoy their education....
dailydenouement 20:14RT @Nic5Harrison: Independent learners must be motivated, risktakers, curious, questioning #ukedchat
TyncanLtd 20:14
@KV80 also to be told that to get the "wrong" answer is Ok when
you learn from it #ukedchat
maz_blaze90 20:14
@LearningSpy #ukedchat clearly still stuck in heads of sci meeting
where feeling was 'if they going to fail, don't let them do it'....
ICTwitz 20:14
@DepJo I think there is more emphsis on the teacher to personalise
the curriculum #ukedchat
Nic5Harrison 20:14
Independent learners must be motivated, risk takers, curious,
questioning #ukedchat
ukedchat 20:14
Is being able to give and take constructive criticism an important
part of IL? #ukedchat
mattpearson 20:14
@DepJo I'm not sure personalised learning ever meant anything. All
learning is personal, somebody can't learn something for you :0
#ukedchat
sharland 20:14
@Kathrynwiki #ukedchat exactly - I am getting pupils to write what
they did, what they learnt and how to improve for next time
BrightAire 20:14
RT @mattpearson: independent learners need to be tenacious, and
not frightened to fail.. #ukedchat
MissPollockBlog 20:14 @ukedchat "mistakes part of mastery" #ukedchat
oliverquinlan 20:14
#ukedchat Teachers are scared- of not proving their worth and
expertise- of not achieving the grades. If it is important we need to
be brave
ikeontoast 20:14
#ukedchat - i think best way to get independent learners is make
sure they enjoy their education....
KipLeeds 20:14
RT @MattFothergill: Independent learning is knowing what you're
learning and knowing/finding out what you need to do to get there
#ukedchat
dailydenouement 20:14
RT @Andy__Stokes: My daughters observation as a yr 2 ITT: In
primary pupils learn (Independently, in secondary they get work todo #ukedchat
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mrpeel 20:14
#Ukedchat @mbrayford agree fear is at root- too much pressure to
hit target removes wish to expand
jamesmichie 20:14
RT @Kathrynwiki: curisiosity for me and excitement, learning how
rewarding it it to learn is key #ukedchat
BrightAire 20:14
@jamesmitchie - agree "honesty". The humility to accept that
there's a lot to learn. #ukedchat
taffwatts 20:14
RT @lankyflamingo: #ukedchat all kids are indep learners whenthey want to learn something. Got to create the hunger first then
show them how.
gsussex 20:15
#ukedchat curiosity, perseverance/resilience, good thinking skills,
ability to work independently, open to taking risks, creative
dailydenouement 20:15
RT @LearningSpy: #ukedchat This is my favourite film clip for
motivating students to learn independently: http://t.co/lMswRyvj
mrprcollins 20:15RT @oliverquinlan: #ukedchat You shouldn't be a teacher if you arenot a good independent learner. Children need models.
ukedchat 20:15
If anyone has any useful links to share please post them. They'll be
included in the summary #ukedchat
jamesmichie 20:15
RT @MissPollockBlog: @ukedchat "mistakes part of mastery"
#ukedchat
LearningSpy 20:15
#ukedchat This is my favourite film clip for motivating students to
learn independently: http://t.co/lMswRyvj
Biolady99 20:15
yes as you can progress but the constructive criticism should be
beneficial with clear pointers not just criticism #ukedchat
EllenHodgkinson 20:15
@vickystrat1989 yes - teacher modelling and scaffolding learners
are two key ways of developing ILs #ukedchat
dailydenouement 20:15
RT @MrCursonTweets: #ukedchat is the NC and constant use of
Levels, APP and targets helping or hindering IL? Should we be free
to remove some of the barriers
jamesmichie 20:15
RT @sharland: @Kathrynwiki #ukedchat exactly - I am getting pupils
to write what they did, what they learnt and how to improve for
next time
RizzWL 20:15 @jamesmichie #ukedchat reflection... Self evaluation is key!
MrCursonTweets 20:15
#ukedchat is the NC and constant use of Levels, APP and targets
helping or hindering IL? Should we be free to remove some of the
barriers
naomilynas 20:15
Failure is definitely a part of IL but developing resilience comes 1st.
#ukedchat
oliverquinlan 20:15
@ICTwitz @DepJo #ukedchat surely that is rubbish. It is impossible
to personalize for 30- they have to do the work independently.
maz_blaze90 20:15
@LearningSpy #ukedchat all for failing in a 'safe' environment and
getting kids to learn for themselves. too many don't know how to!
jamesmichie 20:15
@MissKMcCulloch Ah I see... should teacher be aloud one?
#ukedchat
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KV80 20:15
@Starshine_Music yes agree - it needs to be ok to be wrong and a
learning opportunity #ukedchat
MissKMcCulloch 20:15
@Ideas_Factory we have no excuse later on when we get frustrated
at a lack of direction and drive! #ukedchat
ukedchat 20:15
RT @RizzWL: @ukedchat yes as the old saying goes ... U learn from
your mistakes #ukedchat
mjowchs 20:15#ukedchat personalized ? learning what they want in theirpreferred style ?
jamesmichie 20:16
RT @MissKMcCulloch: @Ideas_Factory we have no excuse later on
when we get frustrated at a lack of direction and drive! #ukedchat
Andy__Stokes 20:16
As a first time independent learner this all seems to be happening
too fast! Any tips on how to slow things down? #ukedchat
oliverquinlan 20:16
RT @mattpearson: @DepJo I'm not sure personalised learning ever
meant anything. All learning is personal, somebody can't learn
something for you :0 #ukedchat
stevenmaxson 20:16
RT @ukedchat: Do you think failure is an important part of
indpendent learning? Why / why not? #ukedchat
jamesmichie 20:16 @oliverquinlan So what would you advise Oliver?#ukedchat
Graham_Cowan 20:16
If independant learners don't know what they don't know how will
they know what they need to know? #ukedchat
i2eEducation 20:16
RT @ikeontoast: #ukedchat - i think best way to get independent
learners is make sure they enjoy their education....
naomilynas 20:16
We need to teach IL skills but pressure for results means we spoon
feed knowledge. Therefore stop spoonfeeding! #ukedchat
stevenmaxson 20:16
RT @LearningSpy: #ukedchat Teachers need to stop spoon feeding
and allow students to fail
vickystrat1989 20:16
@oliverquinlan #ukedchat good teacher needs to be resilient,
determined to make a difference, thoughtful and good collaborator
&communicator
ICTwitz 20:16 @oliverquinlan @DepJo #ukedchat Rubbish indeed!
Laura_Suths 20:16
#ukedchat I use this TED http://t.co/O6l5XQdm and then upload
suggested challenges to VLE as enrichment IL
amooreict 20:16 #ukedchat independent learners need to be motivated researchers
MissKMcCulloch 20:16
RT @mattpearson: @DepJo I'm not sure personalised learning ever
meant anything. All learning is personal, somebody can't learn
something for you :0 #ukedchat
ukedchat 20:16
RT @naomilynas: Failure is definitely a part of IL but developing
resilience comes 1st. #ukedchat
jamesmichie 20:16
RT @oliverquinlan: #ukedchat Teachers are scared- of not proving
their worth and expertise- of not achieving the grades. If it is
important we need to be brave
UKCHAZ 20:16
Be under NO misapprehension. #ukedchat The pedagogical wheelturns oh so slowly. Knowledged based / Skills based. No
motivation=no learning
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Ideas_Factory 20:16
#ukedchat IL is not having an answer-or starting with an answer
and not having a question!
jamesmichie 20:16
RT @ikeontoast: #ukedchat - i think best way to get independent
learners is make sure they enjoy their education....
BrightAire 20:16
Learning must have intrinsic reward, give value for learners, be
celebrated for its own sake. Not just for its workplace relevance#ukedchat
mattbuxton10 20:16
@Laura_Suths Questioning vital; right question at right time 2 right
kid is magic secret of good teaching! Lead qs 2 understanding
#ukedchat
LearningSpy 20:16
@maz_blaze90 This is a recipe for failue as they MUST be
independent in exams #ukedchat
philallman1 20:17
Always answer a question with a question - keep them thinking!
#ukedchat
Nic5Harrison 20:17
RT @helenhamill: @Nic5Harrison in asperger's children like
averything else they think laterally and need to be taught method+processes repeatedly #ukedchat
mrprcollins 20:17
my way of encouraging my students to set their own targets and
reflect on their learning http://t.co/8HygPyox #ukedchat
skoorBttaM 20:17
RT @BrightAire: It's that Edison thing. I've not failed 1000 times. I
now know 1000 ways that don't work. #ukedchat
jamesmichie 20:17
RT @oliverquinlan: @ICTwitz @DepJo #ukedchat surely that is
rubbish. It is impossible to personalize for 30- they have to do the
work independently.
Peter_Hook 20:17
Is true independent learning possible within a Gov prescribed
curriculum? #ukedchat
MrWickensPE 20:17 1) 'Knowing where I am going' - L.O etc #ukedchat
BrightAire 20:17
It's that Edison thing. I've not failed 1000 times. I now know 1000
ways that don't work. #ukedchat
SOLUS_ED 20:17
@Laura_Suths #Ukedchat There are two extremes of edu. to avoid.
One is assuming that [exams] is a sure cure for ignorance &
mediocrity. Ford
KV80 20:17
RT @helenhamill: @Nic5Harrison in asperger's children like
averything else they think laterally and need to be taught method+
processes repeatedly #ukedchat
ShaunGosney 20:17
RT @Nic5Harrison: @ikeontoast: #ukedchat - i think best way
to get independent learners is make sure they enjoy their
education.... SO AGREE
MissPollockBlog 20:17
RT @daShcoaching: RT @futurebehaviour Stop teaching, start
facilitating learning. #ukedchat
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mattpearson 20:17
@Graham_Cowan you could always get Donald Rumsfeld to tell
them :-) #ukedchat
ukedchat 20:17
RT @amooreict: #ukedchat independent learners need to be
motivated researchers
LawrenceBham 20:17 #Ukedchat
mrpeel 20:17 #Ukedchat @dailydenouement that's the IB learner profile!
Nic5Harrison 20:17
@ikeontoast: #ukedchat - i think best way to get independent
learners is make sure they enjoy their education.... SO AGREE
jamesmichie 20:18
RT @MrWickensPE: 1) 'Knowing where I am going' - L.O etc
#ukedchat
ikeontoast 20:18
@Nic5Harrison followed.. >>>if ur happy, ur more keen, more keen,
more likely to be independent and find stuff out for urself
#ukedchat
MrWickensPE 20:18 4) 'Knowing I am going in the right direction' #ukedchat
ukedchat 20:18RT @naomilynas: #ukedchat Totally agree that communication isthe key. Also, ability to self-manage and work with others.
mbrayford 20:18
Like the idea of starting with an answer. Doing that in maths more
as mental starters #ukedchat
DepJo 20:18
@ICTwitz True.. Teacher led personalisation and pupil led
personalisation #ukedchat
cherrylkd 20:18
@lankyflamingo #ukedchat that's true. Give them a new mobile
phone and watch the independent learning occur. No fear of failure
there!
Ideas_Factory 20:18
RT @MissKMcCulloch: @Ideas_Factory we have no excuse later on
when we get frustrated at a lack of direction and drive! #ukedchat
oliverquinlan 20:18
#ukedchat Can I put out there the possibility that personalization is
a meaningless buzzword that never meant anything anyway.
stevenmaxson 20:18
@KerriDrama This is what we do everyday. My students have no
fixed timetable, and are in control of their own learning. #ukedchat
jamesmichie 20:18
RT @philallman1: Always answer a question with a question - keep
them thinking! #ukedchat
mattpearson 20:18
@DepJo of course, the personalised learning thing just became a
band waggon and slogan but few could explain it #ukedchat
SheliBB 20:18
children learn independently through mantle of the expert
approach because the teacher is a learner (expert) alongside them
#ukedchat
MrWickensPE 20:18 3) 'Knowing how to get myself unstuck' #ukedchat
Andy__Stokes 20:18
Fostering a relationship to pupils mistakes that is judgment free
might encourage independent learning #ukedchat
daShcoaching 20:18
@ukedchat pretty similar to employability ones - self-starting,
positive, solving problems, questioning, listening, reflecting
#ukedchat
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janeconsidine 20:18
@B_Sharpie Agreed! Failure is important part of life long learning.
'Dare to share' a talk strategy to push risk taking in ideas #ukedchat
janeconsidine 20:18
@B_Sharpie Agreed! Failure is important part of life long learning.
'Dare to share' a talk strategy to push risk taking in ideas #ukedchat
dailydenouement 20:18I think tenacity & resilience key: some of my pupils give up v easily.Don't like to try. #ukedchat
Biolady99 20:18
RT @oliverquinlan: #ukedchat You shouldn't be a teacher if you are
not a good independent learner. Children need models.
maz_blaze90 20:18
#ukedchat need to start IL from reception...ditch the testing, take
away cramming and let kids love learning again
jamesmichie 20:18 @oliverquinlan Teacher who are scared. #ukedchat
MrWickensPE 20:18
2) 'Knowing how I am going to get there' - Learning outcomes etc.
#ukedchat
cristinataboada 20:18
RT @philallman1: If you engender IL then personalised learning is
what happens all the time! #ukedchat
KV80 20:18
love it! RT @BrightAire: It's that Edison thing. I've not failed 1000
times. I now know 1000 ways that don't work. #ukedchat
Biolady99 20:18
RT @naomilynas: Failure is definitely a part of IL but developing
resilience comes 1st. #ukedchat
mjowchs 20:18
#ukedchat independant learning T's are facilitators guiding and
mentoring the learning toward the goal
ukedchat 20:18
@toppsines don't forget to include #ukedchat or only I will see your
tweets! I'm loving them but I'm sure everyone else would too!
Kathrynwiki 20:18 brilliant #ukedchat happing right now - independent learning
toppsines 20:18
@Graham_Cowan #ukedchat yes agree that's why we need to do
quality facilitating.
DepJo 20:18
@mattpearson true but big believer all gd teaching is personalised;
good teachers adapt q's,techniques etc. IL is v personalised!
#ukedchat
mattpearson 20:19 @ukedchat or even a Gove prescribed curriculum... #ukedchat
LawrenceBham 20:19 #Ukedchat
KerriDrama 20:19
RT @ikeontoast: #ukedchat - i think best way to get independent
learners is make sure they enjoy their education....
oliverquinlan 20:19
RT @BrightAire: @oliverquinlan - agree. It's easy to crumble and go
spoon feedy in the face of "lack of progress". IL skill takes time.
#ukedchat
SheliBB 20:19
With MoE when a child asks me a question, I rarely know the
answer, but ask them how they think *they* can find it #ukedchat
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Romaaddict 20:19
#ukedchat IL involves allowing self to fail in recognition that this
often progresses learning. Too often edu is about passing!
dailydenouement 20:19
#ukedchat RT @dailydenouement: The qu I hate from the pupils: "is
this on the exam?" "No, so why are we doing it?"
ThatIanGilbert 20:19
@LearningSpy #ukedchat Agree! 10 out of 10 consistently with the
same student is not good enough
mattbuxton10 20:19
I rarely answer a question, I almost always respond with a question
back 2 kids 2 try and lead them to own created understanding
#ukedchat
mattpearson 20:19
@oliverquinlan you can put the possibility out there and I would
agree completely with it...twas a slogan, no pedagogy attached
#ukedchat
vickystrat1989 20:19
#ukedchat good teacher should create lessons from the lessons the
children teach them.Plan with the chn's ideas&experiences in mind
LearningSpy 20:19
RT @BrightAire: Yes. Spoon feeding doesn't develop learners. Andit's not just about the workplace either. Prepare for life 1st,
livelihood 2nd #ukedchat
KerriDrama 20:19
Independent learners need to be self motivated, creative, engaged
and reflective #ukedchat
jamesmichie 20:19
RT @oliverquinlan: #ukedchat Can I put out there the possibility
that personalization is a meaningless buzzword that never meant
anything anyway.
ukedchat 20:19
RT @Peter_Hook: Is true independent learning possible within a
Gov prescribed curriculum? #ukedchat
oliverquinlan 20:19
RT @jamesmichie: RT @philallman1: Always answer a question
with a question - keep them thinking! #ukedchat - simple but so
effective!
HilaryNunns 20:19
Learning is hard. Allow students to acknowledge this. More
appreciation of success, however small #ukedchat
jamesmichie 20:19
RT @MrWickensPE: 2) 'Knowing how I am going to get there' -
Learning outcomes etc. #ukedchat
GeekPeter 20:19
#ukedchat I would join in but I can never see students becoming
independent learners, they have to be spoonfed for the league
tables....
BrightAire 20:19
@oliverquinlan - agree. It's easy to crumble and go spoon feedy in
the face of "lack of progress". IL skill takes time. #ukedchat
LearningSpy 20:19
Resilience! RT @jamesmichie: Okay, what skills and attributes does
an independent learner need? #ukedchat
ukedchat 20:20
DON'T FORGET THE #ukedchat!!! please.. lots of lovely tweets are
getting lost...
oliverquinlan 20:20
: #ukedchat RT @dailydenouement: "is this on the exam?" "No, so
why are we doing it?" -- if they chose it it would have relevance.
SheliBB 20:20
@MattFothergill: IL takes place all the time in FS and KS1. Not
so common further up - Why unlearn good habits? #ukedchatalso in MoEclass
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LearningSpy 20:20
@ThatIanGilbert Hard for us to do when we're being judged on
results. Spoonfeeding is product of fear #ukedchat
dailydenouement 20:20
Good point! RT @futurebehaviour: We could all promote
independent learning by just shutting up a bit more. #ukedchat
jamesmichie 20:20
RT @SheliBB: @MattFothergill: IL takes place all the time in FSand KS1. Not so common further up - Why unlearn good habits?
#ukedchat agree
ikeontoast 20:20
#ukedchat even with prescribed curric you can still think of amazing
ideas to enthuse learners...
alexgingell 20:20
RT @oliverquinlan: RT @jamesmichie: RT @philallman1: Always
answer a question with a question - keep them thinking! #ukedchat -
simple but so effective!
futurebehaviour 20:20
We could all promote independent learning by just shutting up a bit
more. #ukedchat
mrpeel 20:20
#Ukedchat @naomilynas agreed need to stop spoon feed caused by
too many targets and too much external intrusion
UKCHAZ 20:20
@Nic5Harrison I agree with you on these Nic. Is it the pedagogy of
#schooling that needs to shift? #ukedchat
sharland 20:20
RT @Nic5Harrison: Pupils taking ownership of their targets -
partnering with teacher #ukedchat
SheliBB 20:20
@MattFothergill: IL takes place all the time in FS and KS1. Not
so common further up - Why unlearn good habits? #ukedchat
agree
koutropoulos 20:20
RT @jamesmichie: Agreed. For me Independent Learning is learning
that is self-directed. #ukedchat
elliejcox 20:20
RT @ikeontoast: #ukedchat - i think best way to get independent
learners is make sure they enjoy their education....
Biolady99 20:20
RT @ukedchat: RT @naomilynas: #ukedchat Totally agree that
communication is the key. Also, ability to self-manage and work
with others.
alexgingell 20:20
@Peter_Hook: Is true independent learning possible within a
Gov prescribed curriculum? #ukedchat >>or indeed any
curriculum?
mjowchs 20:20
#ukedchat what are the skills that the Students need to become
independent ?
WilsonStant 20:20
wilson Be under NO misapprehension. #ukedchat The pedagogical
wheel turns oh so slowly. Knowledged based / Skills based. No...
stant
stevenmaxson 20:20
RT @naomilynas: Failure is definitely a part of IL but developing
resilience comes 1st. #ukedchat
CharlesHolly 20:20
charles Be under NO misapprehension. #ukedchat The pedagogical
wheel turns oh so slowly. Knowledged based / Skills based. No...
holly
DepJo 20:20
@oliverquinlan #ukedchat Nooo! All good teaching is personalised!You know each child's target areas.. You adapt yr questioning,
support etc
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Ron_Richter 20:20
ron Be under NO misapprehension. #ukedchat The pedagogical
wheel turns oh so slowly. Knowledged based / Skills based. No...
ritcher
oliverquinlan 20:20
RT @mattpearson: @oliverquinlan you can put the possibility out
there and I would agree completely with it...twas a slogan, no
pedagogy attached #ukedchat
ukedchat 20:20
RT @SheliBB: #ukedchat independent learners need to be able tomake decisions (hard!), collaborate and communicate well with
others
_imaginaryme 20:20
Couldn't agree more RT @Nic5Harrison "Independent learners must
be motivated, risk takers, curious, questioning" #ukedchat
MissKMcCulloch 20:20
#ukedchat wondering about the perception of other teachers - do
some think IL is so you can get on with paperwork?
jamesmichie 20:21
RT @MissPollockBlog: Ownership - pupils take pride of things that
they own rather than renting learning from the teacher (Kelly,2003) independence? #ukedchat
sharland 20:21
RT @Andy__Stokes: Fostering a relationship to pupils mistakes that
is judgment free might encourage independent learning #ukedchat
Nic5Harrison 20:21 Purpose and passion driven classrooms promote IL #ukedchat
MissKMcCulloch 20:21
RT @dailydenouement: #ukedchat RT @dailydenouement: The qu I
hate from the pupils: "is this on the exam?" "No, so why are we
doing it?"
jodieworld 20:21
Once saw pres on Ind Thinking- asking qs such as "What colour is
Tuesday" to stop kids trying to guess what's in the teachers head
#ukedchat
mattpearson 20:21
@ukedchat if you are using the web, then use tweetchat.com this
adds the tag for you, so you can't forget #ukedchat
jamesmichie 20:21
RT @ukedchat: DON'T FORGET THE #ukedchat!!! please.. lots of
lovely tweets are getting lost...
lauwailap1 20:21
Time is important, we tend to rush + expect too much too soon.
Give them time to explore a skill/topic and ind learning will come
#ukedchat
MrWickensPE 20:21
it's not about implementing all, every lesson. But one or two each
lesson to ensure students are working independently #ukedchat
mjowchs 20:21
#ukedchat if we leave a question/task on the board and point to a
few base resources and leave the room will learning take place ?
sharland 20:21
RT @dailydenouement: I think tenacity & resilience key: some of
my pupils give up v easily. Don't like to try. #ukedchat
MissKMcCulloch 20:21RT @HilaryNunns: Learning is hard. Allow students to acknowledgethis. More appreciation of success, however small #ukedchat
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ukedchat 20:21
Already 20 mins into our #ukedchat on Independent Learning (IL)
with @jamesmichie. great discussion so far
ikeontoast 20:21
#ukedchat can we just clarify that we are GROWING independent
learners not expecting them TO BE independent already
ShaunGosney 20:21
RT @ikeontoast: #ukedchat even with prescribed curric you can still
think of amazing ideas to enthuse learners...
oliverquinlan 20:21
RT @alexgingell: @Peter_Hook: Is true independent learning
possible within a Gov prescribed curriculum? #ukedchat >>or
indeed any curriculum?
jamesmichie 20:21
RT @dailydenouement: Good point! RT @futurebehaviour: We
could all promote independent learning by just shutting up a bit
more. #ukedchat
Rblteach 20:21
Business leaders sat they need employees who are self-motivated
and resourceful-IL bridge to future needs #ukedchat
SurrealAnarchy 20:21
@jamesmichie: Okay, what skills and attributes does anindependent learner need? #ukedchat: Easy, THE TRIVIUM WILL
PROVIDE
BrightAire 20:21
Unfort. we've created a culture where learning is only valued for its
employability value. Outcome focus, not process focus. #ukedchat
dailydenouement 20:21
RT @MissPollockBlog: Ownership - pupils take pride of things that
they own rather than renting learning from the teacher (Kelly,
2003) independence? #ukedchat
Ideas_Factory 20:21
#ukedchat @oliverquinlan Personalisation is a big reason my
school is outstanding-an understanding of the whole child-impacts
on learning
MissPollockBlog 20:21
Ownership - pupils take pride of things that they own rather than
renting learning from the teacher (Kelly, 2003) independence?
#ukedchat
lankyflamingo 20:21
RT @futurebehaviour: We could all promote independent learning
by just shutting up a bit more. #ukedchat
jamesmichie 20:22
#ukedchat What are the main constraints to students becoming
independent learners?
KerriDrama 20:22
RT @dailydenouement: I think tenacity & resilience key: some of
my pupils give up v easily. Don't like to try. #ukedchat
mattpearson 20:22
@MissKMcCulloch this is very true, and also point out that knowing
things is about more than just possessing facts... #ukedchat
DepJo 20:22
RT @ikeontoast: #ukedchat can we just clarify that we are
GROWING independent learners not expecting them TO BE
independent already
janeconsidine 20:22 Ask pupils, "Can you grow that idea bigger?" #ukedchat
matt_bellingham 20:22
Motivating chn to become ILers is great, but only with teaching
them that mistakes are ok. Then they can learn from mistakes
#ukedchat
Kathrynwiki 20:22
RT @Nic5Harrison: Purpose and passion driven classrooms promote
IL - Great description! #ukedchat
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Romaaddict 20:22 #ukedchat
stuart_g_brown 20:22
Promoting independent learning a gradual process-we must work
to build the confidence/ability that learners need to go themselves
#ukedchat
danpotheteacher 20:22
@Peter_Hook of course it is, IL partly about providing skills to meet
needs of a curriculum, no matter if it was govt or self made
#ukedchat
stuart_g_brown 20:22
Promoting independent learning a gradual process-we must work
to build the confidence/ability that learners need to go themselves
#ukedchat
danpotheteacher 20:22
@Peter_Hook of course it is, IL partly about providing skills to meet
needs of a curriculum, no matter if it was govt or self made
#ukedchat
Ideas_Factory 20:22
RT @Starshine_Music: @MattFothergill: IL takes place all the
time in FS and KS1. Not so common further up - Why unlearn good
habits? #ukedchat
Laura_Suths 20:22
@mattbuxton10 goes for assessment 2. Hardly every writecomments that aren't strings of ?s to keep them thinking &
developing. #ukedchat
LearningSpy 20:22
@ThatIanGilbert Still a tough call for many. Am always happy to try
again and fail better #ukedchat
mjowchs 20:22
RT @dailydenouement: I think tenacity & resilience key: some of
my pupils give up v easily. Don't like to try. #ukedchat
Ideas_Factory 20:22
RT @Nic5Harrison: Purpose and passion driven classrooms promote
IL #ukedchat
Starshine_Music 20:22
@MattFothergill: IL takes place all the time in FS and KS1. Not
so common further up - Why unlearn good habits? #ukedchat
i2eEducation 20:22
RT @jamesmichie: @Rblteach That's the problem. Too much
babying - spoon feeding #ukedchat
KV80 20:23
RT @SOLUS_ED: @TyncanLtd @KV80 #ukedchat Curriculum for
Excellence @educationscot seems to be addressing this issue of no
"right" or "wrong" answers well
oliverquinlan 20:23
RT @Andy__Stokes: @BrightAire Agreed if school assessment
focused on process more the outcomes might still appear and
independent learners created #ukedchat
jodieworld 20:23 @lankyflamingo Oooh cool name for them! #ukedchat
mberry 20:23
How do folks see the social dimension to independent learning?
Successes in classes learning independently together? #ukedchat
ICTwitz 20:23
RT @jamesmichie #ukedchat What are the main constraints to
students becoming independent learners?
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oliverquinlan 20:23
RT @Starshine_Music: @MattFothergill: IL takes place all the
time in FS and KS1. Not so common further up - Why unlearn good
habits? #ukedchat
SOLUS_ED 20:23
@TyncanLtd @KV80 #ukedchat Curriculum for Excellence
@educationscot seems to be addressing this issue of no "right" or
"wrong" answers well
vickystrat1989 20:23RT @Nic5Harrison: Purpose and passion driven classrooms promoteIL #ukedchat
ShaunGosney 20:23 #ukedchat can you measure independent learning?
ukedchat 20:23
RT @toppsines in infant school we are discovering more is less, too
much stimuli for IL can cause mass frenzy #ukedchat
Kathrynwiki 20:23
@stuart_g_brown confidence is a good point - its a lack of
confidence that keeps them asking for help #ukedchat
BrightAire 20:23
@oliverquinlan - I think you can! Learning is a more collaborative
process. P'ization not realistically deliverable in any case #ukedchat
LearningSpy 20:23
#ukedchat Tenacity is hugely important - we need to encouage Ss
to opt for HARD choices and not take EASY options all the time
KV80 20:23
@jamesmichie #ukedchat pressure to get through the syllabus for
exams?
HilaryNunns 20:23
When writing students' comments on the board, use their language
not yours. #ukedchat
dailydenouement 20:23
RT @TyncanLtd: @dailydenouement @futurebehaviour Or allowing
time for problems to be solved instead of clock watching& box
ticking #ukedchat
mjowchs 20:23
#ukedchat if we leave a question/task on the board and point to a
few base resources and leave the room will all students make
progress
Andy__Stokes 20:23
@BrightAire Agreed if school assessment focused on process more
the outcomes might still appear and independent learners created
#ukedchat
MissKMcCulloch 20:23 @MrWickensPE sensible thinking! #ukedchat
lankyflamingo 20:23
@jodieworld: Once saw pres on Ind Thinking- asking qs such as
"What colour is Tuesday" #ukedchat I use these too. They're
called thunks.
ukedchat 20:24
RT @HilaryNunns: When writing students' comments on the board,
use their language not yours. #ukedchat
philallman1 20:24
RT @mjowchs: @philallman1 #ukedchat good luck with that !< I'm
pretty resilient gove had better watch out!
BrightAire 20:24
@jamesmichie @Rblteach - agree. pressure to show results in
terms of once-achived competences rather than imbedded
understandings #ukedchat
TeacherToolkit 20:24
@jamesmichie teachers, style of teaching, project, classroom
dynamics, behavior, expectations etc etc.
lankyflamingo 20:24 @jodieworld not my word. Can't take credit! #ukedchat
jamesmichie 20:24
RT @mberry: How do folks see the social dimension to independentlearning? Successes in classes learning independently together?
#ukedchat
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Ideas_Factory 20:24
#ukedchat It's all about balance-can't do IL-ALL the time. Teachers
have to impart some kmowledge
ukedchat 20:24
RT @LearningSpy: #ukedchat Tenacity is hugely important - we
need to encouage Ss to opt for HARD choices and not take EASY
options all the time
Kathrynwiki 20:24
@GeekPeter No but there are times you can step away from it a
little - excellent KS3 lessons where I've ignored the curriculum !#ukedchat
ukedchat 20:24
Lots of tweets saying IL need to be confident. How can we faciltate
that transition to confident learners? #ukedchat
jamesmichie 20:24
@KV80 Is that justifiable though? Don't we have a responsibility to
look beyond exams and grades? #ukedchat
MrCursonTweets 20:24
#ukedchat if we stop teaching for a lesson and give pupils an
outcome would learning take place or would creativity and
independence surface
SurrealAnarchy 20:24@jamesmichie main constraints are students, parents, teachers andschools #ukedchat
_imaginaryme 20:24
As soon as you make a decision about what a pupil should learn or
how they should learn it, are you not taking away independence?
#ukedchat
EllenHodgkinson 20:24
@jamesmichie Important to balance self-reliance&sociability - ILs
must be good at seeking social assistance #ukedchat
dailydenouement 20:24
RT @LearningSpy: #ukedchat Here's a manifesto for getting
students to embrace doing something HARD: http://t.co/RgIbJY7w
naomilynas 20:24
What does good IL look like? What are kids doing? What's the
teacher doing (or not doing)? #ukedchat
mattpearson 20:24
@mberry excellent question, reminds us that independent learning
does not necessarily mean solitary learning... #ukedchat
LearningSpy 20:24
#ukedchat Here's a manifesto for getting students to embrace
doing something HARD: http://t.co/RgIbJY7w
marie5115 20:24
RT @Ideas_Factory: #ukedchat IL is not having an answer-or
starting with an answer and not having a question!
mjowchs 20:24 @philallman1 #ukedchat good luck with that !
dailydenouement 20:24
RT @mister_jim: How do we create environments that allow chn to
be independent. They must be taught how to be so. #ukedchat
MissKMcCulloch 20:24
#ukedchat how many teachers are really prepared for confident,
resilient,
mister_jim 20:24
How do we create environments that allow chn to be independent.
They must be taught how to be so. #ukedchat
MrWickensPE 20:24
A key question, if our lessons were independent most of the time,
would you be brave enough to implement it in an observed lesson?
#ukedchat
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ukedchat 20:24
RT @stuart_g_brown: Promoting independent learning a gradual
process-we must work to build the confidence/ability that learners
need to go themselves #ukedchat
DepJo 20:24
@oliverquinlan #ukedchat So why can't we call it personalised? I
think we all did it before we were told to.. As usual! :)
philallman1 20:24
@ukedchat in 30yrs tme probably #ukedchat somethings are best
not immediately measured!
oliverquinlan 20:24
RT @BrightAire: @oliverquinlan - I think you can! Learning is a more
collaborative process. P'ization not realistically deliverable in any
case #ukedchat
SOLUS_ED 20:24
RT @Nic5Harrison: Purpose and passion driven classrooms promote
IL #ukedchat
Nic5Harrison 20:24 Restraints to IL - FEAR #ukedchat
essentialshaz 20:25
RT @Ideas_Factory: #ukedchat @oliverquinlan Personalisation is a
big reason my school is outstanding-an understanding of the wholechild-impacts on learning
cristinataboada 20:25
@vickystrat1989 @oliverquinlan Also, unafraid to adapt and
become flexible to the pupil needs. #ukedchat
MissKMcCulloch 20:25 @ShaunGosney why should we need to? #ukedchat
LearningSpy 20:25 @HilaryNunns Yes! Easy to coast: hard to learn #ukedchat
ukedchat 20:25
What are the main constraints to students becoming independent
learners? #ukedchat
mattbuxton10 20:25
Independence has to go hand in hand with collaboration; (almost)
ALL learning relies on others in some form #ukedchat
mberry 20:25
@mister_jim isn't that a bit contradictory? Our 10 m.o. is highly
dependent on us, but also seems v happy exploring independently.
#ukedchat
SurrealAnarchy 20:25
@Andy__Stokes @BrightAire That's why we should assess soft skills
properly: http://t.co/YhKSrPTX #ukedchat
jamesmichie 20:25
RT @mister_jim: How do we create environments that allow chn to
be independent. They must be taught how to be so. #ukedchat
doglaunchers 20:25
RT @Nic5Harrison: Restraints to IL - FEAR #ukedchat
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MissKMcCulloch 20:25
RT @LearningSpy: #ukedchat Tenacity is hugely important - we
need to encouage Ss to opt for HARD choices and not take EASY
options all the time
ukedchat 20:25
@HilaryNunns really interesting point - I'm sure it's the sort of idea
that sounds small but has a HUGE impact #ukedchat
toppsines 20:25#ukedchat Work in infant school we are discovering more is less,too much stimuli for IL causes frenzy @ continuous provision stage.
dailydenouement 20:25
RT @Romaaddict: @jamesmichie re constraints - grade obsessed
teachers under pressure from grade obsessed paretns! #ukedchat
LearningSpy 20:25
@SheliBB Why does MOE work? Is there research supporting it?
#ukedchat
cristinataboada 20:25
RT @vickystrat1989: @oliverquinlan #ukedchat good teacher needs
to be resilient, determined to make a difference, thoughtful and
good collaborator &communicator
Peter_Hook 20:25
@philallman1 couldn't agree more. This is why we need root &
branch reform not tinkering around the edges #ukedchat
Romaaddict 20:25
@jamesmichie re constraints - grade obsessed teachers under
pressure from grade obsessed paretns! #ukedchat
oliverquinlan 20:25
RT @MrWickensPE: A key question, if our lessons were
independent most of the time, would you be brave enough to
implement it in an observed lesson? #ukedchat
lauwailap1 20:25
RT @LearningSpy: #ukedchat Tenacity is hugely important - we
need to encouage Ss to opt for HARD choices and not take EASY
options all the time
cristinataboada 20:25
RT @Laura_Suths: #ukedchat I use this TED http://t.co/O6l5XQdm
and then upload suggested challenges to VLE as enrichment IL
ukedchat 20:26
RT @Ideas_Factory: #ukedchat It's all about balance-can't do IL-ALL
the time. Teachers have to impart some kmowledge
Rblteach 20:26
Constraints?For some staff I think the 'going off piste' in terms of
the lesson plan could be a confidence issue #ukedchat
oliverquinlan 20:26
. @mister_jim #ukedchat Or just facilitated by environment. Surely
'teachings' independent skills is antithetical?
Ideas_Factory 20:26
@oliverquinlan #ukedchat No jargon an outstanding school on
many levels -we embrace the whole child/EVERY child-isn't that
Personalisation?
daShcoaching 20:26
RT @mberry How do folks see the social dimension to independent
learning? #ukedchat Social learning outside classroom so encourage
to engage
BrightAire 20:26@ShaunGosney - not easily. We tend to measure only that whichcan be easily measured. Gives a very false impression. #ukedchat
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LearningSpy 20:26
#ukedchat I have started showing students their full statistical
grade spread to motivate them go beyond targets and TRY HARDER
matt_bellingham 20:26
Shouldn't we balance IL and traditional teaching? Many low-ability
chn wouldn't cope because they are so afraid of failing #ukedchat
amoor4ed 20:26
If you design the task well and equip with skills to access materialand support others- effective outcomes can still be achieved
#ukedchat
essentialshaz 20:26
RT @Nic5Harrison: Purpose and passion driven classrooms promote
IL #ukedchat
Andy__Stokes 20:26
@SurrealAnarchy agreed they are the questions I frequently ask
school leaders #ukedchat
jamesmichie 20:26
RT @ukedchat: Is independent learning a good thing? #ukedchat
#devilsadvocate
richmayf 20:26
The oak of independent learning grows from the acorn of
inspirational teaching. #ukedchat
jodieworld 20:26
RT @ukedchat: What are the main constraints to students
becoming independent learners? #ukedchat
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dailydenouement 20:26
RT @mattbuxton10: Independence has to go hand in hand with
collaboration; (almost) ALL learning relies on others in some form
#ukedchat
Biolady99 20:26
@stuart_g_brown it has to come from an inner desire to learn
#ukedchat
BrightAire 20:27
@ukedchat - I'm not sure IL is in the interest of the state who are
mainly interested in producing commercial cannon-fodder#ukedchat
Crewepartner 20:27
#ukedchat some teachers are so scrutinised they have a terror of
allowing learning to take its own course
tobyholman 20:27
@richmayf Agree. And Inspirational teaching that allows freedon
too #ukedchat
cardiffscience 20:27
RT @ikeontoast: #ukedchat can we just clarify that we are
GROWING independent learners not expecting them TO BE
independent already
philallman1 20:27
RT @ukedchat: Is independent learning a good thing? #ukedchat
#devilsadvocate < IL is the ONLY thing - without it knowledge ismeaningless!
raff31 20:27 Independent Learning. ...just depends #ukedchat
ukedchat 20:27
Lots of new faces at #ukedchat tonight. If you need a hand, just ask.
Lovely to see you all here :-)
jamesmichie 20:27
@KV80 Im not sure I see the syllabus as constraining though.
#ukedchat
TeacherToolkit 20:27 #ukedchat #independentLearning simple strategy:
SheliBB 20:27
@LearningSpy think MoE works because chdn have ownership of
their learning, make choices & decisions & are truly in driving seat
#ukedchat
Biolady99 20:27
RT @Ideas_Factory: #ukedchat It's all about balance-can't do IL-ALL
the time. Teachers have to impart some kmowledge
ikeontoast 20:27
#ukedchat next Tues 8pm is #addcym chat...its the chilled out
version of ukedchat...all welcome. Focus on leadership
SurrealAnarchy 20:27
@naomilynas The teacher builds the skills by the way they teach,
teaching for progression, trivium... #ukedchat
MissPollockBlog 20:27
RT @Nic5Harrison: @ikeontoast: #ukedchat - i think best way
to get independent learners is make sure they enjoy their
education.... SO AGREE
mrpeel 20:27
#Ukedchat let students teach - not present - builds confidence and
improves skills all round
cristinataboada 20:27
RT @SOLUS_ED: @Laura_Suths #Ukedchat There are two extremes
of edu. to avoid. One is assuming that [exams] is a sure cure for
ignorance & mediocrity. Ford
philallman1 20:27
@matt_bellingham disagree - best IL are often those who do not
succeed 'academically' #ukedchat
LawrenceBham 20:27 #ukedchat
bramleyapplecc 20:27
#ukedchat "the most important skill for a teacher is knowing what
is irrelevant" D Heathcote
DepJo 20:27
@oliverquinlan interesting thought as have never really askedanyone what they meant by it and if they mean what I mean!
#ukedchat
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cristinataboada 20:27
RT @BrightAire: It's that Edison thing. I've not failed 1000 times. I
now know 1000 ways that don't work. #ukedchat
MissPollockBlog 20:27
@Graham_Cowan:If IL don't know what they don't know how will
they know what they need to know? #ukedchat Curiosity can drive
them further
helenhamill 20:27
@ShaunGosney #ukedchat special schools do great work here,
secondarys some, grammars no! stats on #SEN not published toverify!
EllenHodgkinson 20:27
@ukedchat It's the sort of thing that would be best done
formatively - by learners who understood what its elements were
#ukedchat
stevenmaxson 20:27
RT @LearningSpy: #ukedchat Tenacity is hugely important - we
need to encouage Ss to opt for HARD choices and not take EASY
options all the time
lauwailap1 20:27
For confident Ind Learners, we need to provide safe environments
for failure, and with that Ind Learning and success will come
#ukedchat
stevenmaxson 20:27
RT @HilaryNunns: When writing students' comments on the board,
use their language not yours. #ukedchat
Nic5Harrison 20:27 Model IL - 'show' how it works #ukedchat
ukedchat 20:27
RT @mberry: How do folks see the social dimension to independent
learning? Successes in classes learning independently together?
#ukedchat
LearningSpy 20:28
Oh yes RT @futurebehaviour: We could all promote independent
learning by just shutting up a bit more. #ukedchat
Andy__Stokes 20:28
@jamesmichie Teacher confidence, and a curriculum that is still
based on a Victorian model of preparing to work in the factory ?
#ukedchat
MissPollockBlog 20:28
@ukedchat give opportunities to be successful, develop skills at
their pace. #ukedchat
ikeontoast 20:28
@MissPollockBlog have followed. curiosity is so key. we foster it
through showing learning can be fun #ukedchat
jamesmichie 20:28 @KerriDrama Tell more #ukedchat
Ideas_Factory 20:28
RT @LawrenceBham: @richmayf: The oak of independent
learning grows from the acorn of inspirational teaching.
#ukedchat
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13 October 2011
What is Independent Learning?
Host - @JamesMichie
LearningSpy 20:28
@SheliBB Yes. I understand theory but is there an evidence base?
#ukedchat
talktoteens 20:28
@ukedchat must involve students on the co-construction in
projects. Share aims and let them help decide how learning is
structured #ukedchat
day_tom 20:28
@ShaunGosney surely measuring IL same as measuring learning -
assessment still happens. Measure outcomes and processesthough? #ukedchat
SOLUS_ED 20:28
#ukedchat What about IL in infants? Try to tell a 1 year old NOT to
explore their world. At what point, and why, do we lose this natural
IL?
jamesmichie 20:28
RT @UberProfessor: #ukedchat independence comes when they
begin to lead their own learning, and teachers are empowered and
prepared to take risks. #Millfield
Romaaddict 20:28 #ukedchat
joclap89 20:28