Edsel Owners Club Inc. Volume XLVII, Issue 1 January 2015 INSIDE THIS ISSUE: Roger Hill Remembrance 1 President’s Letter 2 Roger Hill Remembrance (continued) 3 Note from Editor 4 Members’ Cars Feature 4 2015 Laughlin Nevada Edsel Event registration 5 Comparison of Paint Codes between Edsel and Ford 6 Calendar of Events and welcome new members 7 Green Line Edsel Action Ads 8-9 About The Edsel Owners Club 10 T HE B IG E By Dave Sinclair: I first "met" Roger by mail and telephone in mid 1968 as the worldwide publicity machine brought the Edsel out of the dark shadows of infamy. We received many letters from folks around the U.S., Canada and the world, who were interested in the Edsel, some wanting to start local chapters of the Edsel Owners Club. One of these letters came from Roger Hill of Arvonia, VA. Roger Hill had recently graduated from college and was managing his father's construc- tion business in Arvonia. He was looking to own an Edsel, and placed several "Wanted" ads in the Washington Post. This netted several responses, and in a short time Roger found himself the owner of a Pacer 2-door HT, a Citation convertible and a 1960 convertible. Roger and I continued to correspond by mail and phone, and we met for the first time in August 1969, at the first annual EOC convention in Indianapolis. He drove his two-toned green Pacer 2-door HT to the meet. Roger wasn’t able to attend the 1970 annual conven- tion in Ontario, CA as he was engaged to be married, but came to Kansas City in 1971 for the 3rd EOC meet, this time with his wife Marie, and driving a '60 2-door HT. Roger's Edsel collection continued to grow, and he added a 17K mile '60 sedan with B interior, a tri tone Pacer 4-door HT (pictured above at the 2010 EOC national meet in Salem, Massa- chusetts) and several other Edsels. Roger continued to attend all other EOC conventions, never missing another meet until last year in Dayton. In 1973, Roger Hill was elected as President of the EOC and he served from 1973 to 1978. He was chosen again as President in 2000, to serve in this capacity until 2004. Roger's love of travel was immense, and he always looked forward to his next adventure. Our Edsel meet travels always meant we'd get to visit for a few days at the meet, as well as visiting each other back and forth across the country, riding in each other’s Edsel, going to a convention, or meeting up in airports and driving a rental car together to the meet. Continued on Page 3 In Remembrance of Roger Hill
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Edsel Owners Club Inc . Volume XLVII, Issue 1
January 2015
I N S I D E T H I S I S S U E :
Roger Hill Remembrance
1
President’s
Letter
2
Roger Hill Remembrance (continued)
3
Note from Editor 4
Members’ Cars Feature
4
2015 Laughlin Nevada Edsel Event registration
5
Comparison of Paint Codes between Edsel and Ford
6
Calendar of Events and welcome new members
7
Green Line Edsel Action Ads
8-9
About The Edsel Owners Club
10
T H E B I G E
By Dave Sinclair:
I first "met" Roger by mail and telephone in mid 1968 as the worldwide publicity machine
brought the Edsel out of the dark shadows of infamy. We received many letters from folks
around the U.S., Canada and the world, who were interested in the Edsel, some wanting to
start local chapters of the Edsel Owners Club. One of these letters came from Roger Hill
of Arvonia, VA.
Roger Hill had recently graduated from college and was managing his father's construc-
tion business in Arvonia. He was looking to own an Edsel, and placed several "Wanted"
ads in the Washington Post. This netted several responses, and in a short time Roger found
himself the owner of a Pacer 2-door HT, a Citation convertible and a 1960 convertible.
Roger and I continued to correspond by mail and phone, and we met for the first time in
August 1969, at the first annual EOC convention in Indianapolis. He drove his two-toned
green Pacer 2-door HT to the meet. Roger wasn’t able to attend the 1970 annual conven-
tion in Ontario, CA as he was engaged to be married, but came to Kansas City in 1971 for
the 3rd EOC meet, this time with his wife Marie, and driving a '60 2-door HT. Roger's
Edsel collection continued to grow, and he added a 17K mile '60 sedan with B interior, a
tri tone Pacer 4-door HT (pictured above at the 2010 EOC national meet in Salem, Massa-
chusetts) and several other Edsels. Roger continued to attend all other EOC conventions,
never missing another meet until last year in Dayton.
In 1973, Roger Hill was elected as President of the EOC and he served from 1973 to 1978.
He was chosen again as President in 2000, to serve in this capacity until 2004.
Roger's love of travel was immense, and he always looked forward to his next adventure.
Our Edsel meet travels always meant we'd get to visit for a few days at the meet, as well
as visiting each other back and forth across the country, riding in each other’s Edsel, going
to a convention, or meeting up in airports and driving a rental car together to the meet.
Continued on Page 3
In Remembrance of Roger Hill
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From
the
Pres
ident
’s De
sk!
Hello, Edsel Folks,
Hibernation is boring! Although this has been an easier winter than last year (so far, anyway),
I'm getting the itch to get some things done on the Edsel. Truly, the car show season isn't that
far away.
Larry Nopper, past president of The Southlanders Edsel Club, has offered to represent the EOC
as a member of the board of the Ford Car Club Council, which hosts the biggest all-Ford show
on the west coast at Knott’s Berry Farm. This is a big event, and the acceptance that the Edsel
has gotten at this show over the years has been gratifying. It will certainly help the Edsel and
the EOC to have this representation. Thanks, Larry!
I am amazed by the number of Edsels that are showing up on the internet for sale. A bonus is
that many of these cars have serial numbers that have not been recorded by Edsel hobbyists
before. The older these cars get, the more we learn about them. Thanks to all who are doing the
"detective work" in documenting these previously unknown Edsels!
Examples of Edsels recently spotted in internet ads such as Craigslist, etc.:
Right:
A battered 1960 for sale in Chicago:
Left:
A 1959 Ranger for sale in Pennsylvania
Right:
A Bermuda project car for sale in Urbana, IL
George
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(EOC President Roger Hill pictured above on the front cover of a 1973 edition Big E newsletter)
We looked forward to our visits and never seemed to run out of conversations! Even flying into airports across the country
and Canada, we always managed to connect about the same time, and would always enjoy a cocktail before departure or at
the hotel after we arrived.
Roger’s car collection continued to grow over the past 15 years. He added full Classic Lincolns: a 1937 Willoughby V-12
model K, a 1948 Continental coupe, a 1956 Premiere 2 door HT and a fine low mile 1957 Continental Mark II. Recently
restored to concours condition was a 1955 T Bird he had owned since the late '60s, and had also acquired a 1964 Studebaker
Avanti, and most recently, a fine 1932 Pierce-Arrow sedan. He enjoyed taking his cars out on a regular basis, and on dry
days drove a 1962 Lincoln Continental 4 dr. convert. to the office. His garage was called the "Gallery" and not only held his
cars but a fine collection of signs and memorabilia as well.
Roger was always a true Southern gentleman, and I don't think I've ever heard him say a cross word at anyone, much less a
cuss word. He was a friend to all, and he and Marie were always gracious hosts. He enjoyed hosting car club events at their
home, and in recent years, had been hosting a local meet with the Classic Thunderbird club. I feel fortunate to be able to call
Roger, and Marie, my close friends for 45 years. Our emails and calls in recent years were often daily if we saw something
interesting to chat about, whether it was car related or not. He passed away on August 28, 2014 and is survived by his wife
of 43 years, Marie, his two brothers, and many nieces, nephews, and friends.
I will miss my good friend. Rest in peace, Roger.
(BELOW LEFT) Roger Hill with his two-toned green Pacer during his very early days in the EOC.
(BELOW RIGHT) Long-time friends, Dave Sinclair (left) and Roger Hill (right), stand behind Dave’s Corsair convertible at Dave’s house in Ida-
ho while they prepared to travel together to the 2009 National EOC Meet in Keizer, Oregon.
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Note from the Edsel-Editor I wish to welcome Terry Morey, from Columbus, Ohio, into the Edsel Owners Club. Terry has owned and restored many Edsels
since 1968, and knows them like the back of his hand. He is both a skilled mechanic and a professional auto-body man.
Terry has repaired several Teletouch motors for me, including the one in my Pacer convertible almost 30 years ago, and I have
never had any problems with the Teletouch in that car since then.
Whenever I am stumped or frustrated with a problem with an Edsel, I would talk to Terry about it, and he usually had a
solution. Terry is willing to share his wealth of technical knowledge about the Edsel with the members of the Edsel Owners
Club and help them keep their Edsels on the road.
Terry suggested we have a technical “Question & Answer” column in this newsletter. If your Edsel has a problem that you, or
your mechanic, can’t seem to resolve, or if you have a question on how to fix or repair something in the Edsel, please write to
EOC or send an e-mail at [email protected] and Terry will do his best to answer your questions and help you out.
Members’ Edsels
Dave Simley of Fargo, North Dakota, has recently completed the restoration of his beautiful green 1960 Edsel
Ranger 2-door hardtop. He purchased this car in Missouri a few years ago and it was still wearing 1976 plates at
the time. The car required a complete restoration and Dave began by replacing the trunk pan and gas tank, as they
both were rusted out. He then proceeded to overhaul the engine and transmission. Just last fall, he had the body
repainted and the interior reupholstered in the original pattern and fabrics. The Edsel is now back on the road
again after almost 40 years. Dave says the car is pretty much completed now and he is having a great time driving
the car and taking it to shows. Congratulations, Dave, on a very successful restoration!
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Registration Form
Name:____________________________________________________ Guest/Spouse:________________________
Address:___________________________________________________________Phone:________________________
City:___________________________ State:______________ Zip:_________________
Email Address:_____________________________________________________________________
Car Information: Make: ___________________ Model: ___________________ Year:________________
I accept and assume full liability for any injury or loss to my guests, my family, my property and myself. I agree to release Larry
Nopper and Kristina Husa or any official of The Southlanders Edsel Owners Club members/Officers and the Riverside Hotel &
Casino from any and all liabilities while attending this event.
__________________________________________________ ______________________
Signature Date
Mail registration and payment to Larry Nopper 517 S. Pasadena Ave. Glendora, CA 91741
Any questions please contact Larry or Kristina at 626-260-8014 or email at [email protected].
Show Registration 1 X $25.00 $25.00
One (1) Free T-Shirt with registration—Circle size of free T-shirt: S M L XL 2XL 3XL
*TO MAKE SURE YOU RECEIVE YOUR FREE T-SHIRT WITH REGISTRATION WE NEED TO RECEIVE
YOUR REGISTRATION BY MARCH 2, 2015. AFTER THAT DATE YOU WILL NOT RECEIVE A T-SHIRT.*
El Dorado Canyon Mine Tour & Bus transportation ______ X $37.50 $___________
Awards Banquet ______ X $25.00 $___________
Purchase of additional T-Shirts
Orders must be received by March 2, 2015. There will not be any orders
taken for T-Shirts after this date.
T-Shirt
______Small _______Med ______Lg _______XL
______2 XL _______3 XL
______
______
X
X
$20.00
$23.00
$___________
$___________
Total Enclosed $___________
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1959 Edsel vs. 1959 Ford color code comparisons
Compiled by Phil Skinner
For 1959 Edsels built at the Louisville plant, they had to share that production line with Ford passenger cars. While the
two lines had a lot of similarities, there were a number of differences. Through the "Rotation Number" system, this
seemed to keep the mixing of Ford and Edsel parts. Besides the sheet metal, trim, soft trim, and chassis differences, one
of the toughest chores was keeping the paint codes apart.
A total of 17 different colors were offered on the 1959 Edsel while the 1959 Ford passenger cars offered just 14 differ-
ent colors. Only two colors were shared between the two lines, Black (Raven Black on Fords or Jet Black on Edsel) and
White (Colonial White on Fords or Snow White on Edsel). Here is a little chart I drew up showing a comparison of the
two lines and their paint codes:
Code 1959 Edsel 1959 Ford
A Jet Black Raven Black
B Moonrise Gray
C Gold Metallic Wedgewood Blue
D Redwood Metallic Indian Turquoise
E Snow White Colonial White
F President Red Fawn Tan
G Talisman Red April Green
H Desert Tan Tahitian Bronze
J Velvet Maroon Surf Blue
K Platinum Gray
L Star Blue Metallic
M Jetstream Blue
N Light Aqua Gunsmoke Gray
P Dark Aqua Primer
Q Petal Yellow Sherwood Green metallic
R Mist Green Torch Red
S Jadeglint Green met. Special Paint
On 1959 Edsels that were ordered in two-tone colors, the number "1" was placed behind the color codes to indicate a
standard two-tone paint scheme. On Ford's there were two different two-tone schemes, #1 Standard, where only the top
was painted the accenting color, or #2 Styletone where the roof and lower body side panels received the main color
while the hood, decklid and upper body panels received the accenting color. Due to tighter quality control measures to
date we have not found a single 1959 Edsel that was apparently painted a Ford color by mistake.
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Allen Reed - Medina, OH
Terry Morey - Columbus, OH
Larry Nopper - Glendora, CA
John Rouselle - Central Square, NY
Paul LaFoe - Veedersburg, IN
Shawn Winfield - Malaga, NJ
Jeff Blose - Lebanon, PA
Jason Beinbrech - Riverside, CA
Michael Hegarty - Wimauma, FL
Patrick Hegarty - Mechanicsville, IA
Scott Crosby - Kanosh, UT
Dennis Carpenter - Charlotte, NC
Ellen Vojnovic - Fair Oaks, CA
Dwayne Ernst - Hillsboro, IL
Volume XLVII, Issue 1
EOC MEMBERSHIP DRIVE 2015:
WATCH THE SPEEDOMETER CLIMB!
WELCOME NEW
MEMBERS!
We need your Edsel photos for the 2016 Calendar! Please submit a picture either 4x6 or 5x7 with a nice background setting. Digital photos are fine. Color copies of a photo do not
reproduce well. Send to Jeannine Phipps 2500 NE 187th Ave,Vancouver, WA 98684 or e-mail [email protected] or send to Lois Roth 1740 NW 3rd St Gresham, Or 97030
or e-mail [email protected] ——————————————————————————————————————————————
If you wish to have extra copies of the 2015 calendar, they are $15.00 each including shipping. Contact Lois Roth, email: [email protected] or phone: 503-492-0878
Edsel Calendar of Events
We need to know what the local chapters are doing, let us know if there is anything in your area
that deserves to be noted in this calendar.
Email your event info to [email protected]
Southlanders Annual Rollin' to the River Event in Laughlin, NV on March 26-29, 2015. See information in this issue or contact Larry Nopper at 626-626-8014 or email at
The 47th Annual National EOC meet, hosted by the Redwood Chapter of EOC in Sacramento, CA on
August 5, - 9, 2015
Ads in the Green Line are free to members. $10
fee to non-members. They will be run for 3 issues,
on a space available basis. Ads should be kept to
35 words or less and sent to:
Green Line Action Ads
David Fleischer
1156 North 350 West
Centerville, Utah 84014
or
Email me at: [email protected]
EDSELS FOR SALE
1958 Pacer-2 door– W8UG703778 Sunset coral
w/ met grey scallop. New front suspension, ex-
haust, tires, alignment. E-400 engine rebuilt
22,000 miles ago. Everything works. Older repaint
and re-upholstery job. Very showy car. Original
keys. Roger Shaffer ,Hagerman, ID Ph: 208-837-
4724 or 208-358-1579. (3)
(photo taken by editor - Mr. Shaffer’s Pacer at Jackson WY in 2000)
1959 Edsel Corsair 4 door sedan Original two tone
green. Overhauled engine and transmission. Re-
conditioned gas tank. David Burch, Yelm, WA
98597 Ph 360-458-1556 (4)
1960 Edsel Ranger 4 Dr Sedan all restored(White)
64,940 Placed 2nd at Branson in 2002. Edsel Ru-
dolph 785 582-4226 evenings or Mon/Wed Noon
to 5pm.at 785 233-7867 (picture of car below) (4)
1959 Edsel Corsair-2 door- Jet Stream Blue, Gar-
age kept, 100 % mechanically restored, needs
body work and interior work, power steering and
power brakes, 332 engine. Have extra parts. Ask-
ing $6,500.00. Gene Davis, Hamburg, NJ 973-209
-4262. Call and let’s talk. (2)
1959 Edsel Ranger-4 door sedan - Due to health
reasons, I am forced to sell my Edsel sedan with
51,500 original miles. I bought the car from a
dealer in Florida in 2007. The Edsel has been to-
tally restored.$25,000 US dollars – contact Fritz
Probst, email: [email protected] (editor’s
note: car is located in Germany)
1958 Villager 6 pass wagon - 361 V-8, auto.
Runs good and has lots of new parts.
Needs some work $6,500 obo
1958 Ranger 4 dr ht - 361 V-8, auto.
Runs good and looks good. $6,500 obo
1959 Corsair 4 dr sedan - 361 V-8, auto.
Runs good and looks good. $6,500 obo
1960 Ranger 2 dr ht - 292 V-8, auto.
Runs good and looks good. $17,500 obo
Calvin Copeland PO Box 104 White Oak, WV
25989 Phone: 304-573-1253 (2)
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ED S E L AC T I O N AD S
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PARTS & LITERATURE MEMORABILIA FOR SALE
Continental kit parts: I have most of the pieces for a
continental kit that would be applicable to the small
series Edsel. Missing are the mounting bracket/
hinge/lever that the wheel mounts to, and the spare
tire cover. I can provide photos to anyone interest-
ed. Doug Hartmann Ph: 402-721-1008 or dog-
Various parts for 58 Edsel Ranger/Pacer: Carter 4 barrel carburetor (rebuild candidate)
Passenger side mirror, Hood (no ornament)
Steering column (on the column shifter)
I may have some other miscellaneous 58 pacer
parts that will be available after this printing, Nathan
Sink, NC. email: [email protected]
DVD’s for sale ---1998 EOC Convention in Dearborn
Includes 38 Edsels on the Ford Test Track, Roy
Brown’s “How we designed it” presentation, Edsel
intro to Ford management, TV ad, Edsels on Vaca-
tion and Edsel crash tests. Runs about 4 hours. $20
Reg Brown at [email protected] 843-693-
3331 (5)
Pacer NOS chain link seat material, red and brown.
Also have some rib cloth and silver welt. Contact Jer-
ry Lasseigne, 300 Coulon Rd., Thibodaux, LA 70301,
PH: 985-446-6487.
GOLD PLATED CLASSIC KEYS & N.O.S. (Original)
KEYS for all Edsels and Ford models. Many of those
hard to find keys and lock cylinders. Keys cut by
code, please inquire with year and model. JESSER’S
CLASSIC KEYS, 26 West Street, Dept EOC, Akron, OH
44303, Phone 330-376-8181 * 24 hr FAX 330-384-
9129 VISA
Edsel parts; new, used & rebuilt, 1000’s in stock,
parts list with SASE. Jerry Lasseigne, 300 Coulon Rd,
Thibodaux, LA 70301, PH:985-446-6487
Reproduction appliqué plates, hood ornaments and
bumper guard pads. Contact Jerry Lasseigne, 300
Coulon Rd., Thibodaux, LA 70301, PH: 985-446-
6487
Rear Window Rubber Seal (New) 1959 Edsel 2/4
Door Sdn/Hrdtp $130.00 each. Add $15.00 ship-
ping/ins. Dave Houchin, 145 William Bartram Drive,
Crescent City, FL 32112.
1958-1960 Edsel Fuel Pumps. Have 6 Cyl and 8 Cyl
pumps for vacuum and electrical wiper models. Fac-
tory rebuilt. Contact Blaise Kendzioiski, 1408 S.
Wenona, Bay City, Michigan 48706, Ph: 989-892-
2652.
Reproduction 1958 Edsel taillight lenses: For all
models of 1958 Edsels. Ranger & Pacer set
$139.00. Corsair & Citation set $165.00. Wagon set
$125.00. Free shipping to EOC members. Contact Bill
& Jo Glass, 1073 North Agave St, Casa Grande, AZ
85122 Ph: 253-686-6555
EDSEL/EDSEL PARTS WANTED/TRADE
WANTED—For 1960 Edsel Ranger 2-dr ht: a replace-
ment windshield. Contact Roy Zelinsky Ph: 204-222-
8669 Winnipeg, Manitoba
WANTED—For 1960 Edsel: pot metal chrome for left
front fender top. Contact Jack Beahm 8301 Lorton
Rd, Lorton, VA 22079 Ph: 703-690-3022 (1)
WANTED—Rear courtesy lights for a 58 Citation con-
vertible (both sides). Also looking for a low fuel warn-
ing light SIMM relay and the solenoid/latch assembly
for the electric trunk release.
Contact Bruce Dennison Ph: 434-589-6993.
email: [email protected] (3)
WANTED—For 1960 Edsel: air conditioning compres-
sor bracket ( B8A-2882-A), air conditioning duct
( B9AZ-19B680-A), and air conditioning clamp ( PB9E
-14923). Contact Rich Lindblad 405 Presidio Ct
Southlake, TX 76092 Ph: 940-210-9002
email: [email protected]
WANTED— 4 aluminum scuff plates with the word
“EDSEL” embossed on them. Prefer NOS or excellent
used for a ‘59 Ranger 4 door sedan. Contact: Jack
Ressler Ph: 814-449-1830 (3)
WANTED—1959 battery hold down clamp and bolts
(new or used) Contact: Peter D. LaChapelle,
19 Union St., Salem, MA 01970.
Ph: 978-744-9198 Email: [email protected] (2)
President - George Foran, 1614 Wilcox St,
Crest Hill, IL 60403. [email protected] 815-
919-3570
Past President - Carolyn Fakeley
Vice President - Regions - Reg Brown, 806
Essex Dr Summerville, SC 29485
Ph: 843-693-3331 [email protected]
Treasurer - Lois Roth, Or-E-gon Chapter, 1740
NW 3rd St., Gresham, OR 97030,
503-492-0878
Secretary - Maye Gulley, Heart of America Chap-
ter, PO Box 587, DeSoto, KS 66018-0587
[email protected] 913-583-1822
Vice President - Chapters - Kathye Higdem, 9211
Portland Ave S., Bloomington, MN 55420-3839.
[email protected] 952-884-3091
Vice President Membership - Jeannine Phipps,
Or-E-gon Chapter, 2500 NE 187th Ave., Vancou-
ver, WA 98684, [email protected]
360-892-8943
Public Relations - "Shamrock" Shelley Cleaver,
North Texas Chapter, 35998 US Highway 69 N,
Jacksonville, Texas 75766-7578,
903-586-4311
Big E/Greenline Editor– David Fleischer, 1156
North 350 West, Centerville, Utah 84014,
Head Judge - Carroll "Higgie" Higdem,
[email protected] (952) 884-3091
Historian - Mike Hinsch, Or-E-gon Chapter,
31010 NW North Avenue, North Plains, OR 97133-
6145, [email protected] 503-647-5376
Founders:
Edsel Henry Ford, b.1925—d. 2013
Perry Piper - b.1911- d.1999
Mike Read - b.1943 - d.2005
David Sinclair, Eagle, ID [email protected]
(208) 939-5534
Other Contacts:
Webmaster - Greg Corcoran - Columbine Chapter
Big E Publication Dates
January, March, May, July,
September, November and
Calendar Issue.
Copy deadline is 30 days pri-
or to above publication dates.
Submit ads and photos to:
David Fleischer
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Owner’s Club, Inc. was
founded by Edsel Henry
Ford, Perry E. Piper,
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Sinclair and was incorpo-
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