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Unvented Roofs Without Spray Foam:
The Rest of the Story
Kohta Ueno
August 14, 2020
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Background
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Ventilated Attics—Best Choice
Roof sheathing dries to ventilated attic-moisture safe
Interior moisture (air leaks) ventilated away in winter
Air sealing at ceiling critical for best performance (e.g., spray foam air barrier,
detail with sealant)
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Then Why Unvented Roofs?
Living space built into roof
Vented cathedral assemblies—often poor performance
Complicated rooflines, hip geometries—how to vent?
Unworkable air barrier at ceiling line
Blown-in rain (coastal)
Hurricane tear-off
HVAC in vented attic
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Ducts in unconditioned attic = energy losses Industry reluctant to move ducts out of attic
Ice dam issues due to duct losses
Solution: bring ducts into conditioned space
Unvented/conditioned attic—keeps ductwork in conditioned space, duct leak issues eliminated
Unvented Roofs & HVAC Placement
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Fibrous Insulation Unvented Roofs Dense pack insulation of unvented roofs common
in cold-climate retrofits Moisture risks (see BSI-043 “Don't Be Dense—
Cellulose and Dense-Pack Insulation”)—2 in 10 failure?
Violates I-codes (see IRC§R806.4/R806.5)
“Ridge rot”—localized problems (SIPS same problem)
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Fibrous Insulation Unvented Roofs
The BS* + Beer Show: Unvented Roofs and Fluffy Insulation (with Bill Hulstrunk/NatureTech), May 2020
Moisture buffering from cellulose storage
Critical role of density
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZlnpQYdsuM&t=1551s
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Why Unvented + Fibrous Risky? Different than walls?
Moisture risks at sheathing Interior-sourced air leakage
Vapor contributing too?
Zero-perm exterior (“wrong side perfect vapor barrier”)
Night sky radiation cooling
Stack effect in winter
“Ridge rot” (thermal and moisture buoyancy)
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Why Unvented + Loose Fill Risky? Risk reduced by: Airtightness of ceiling
Dense insulations that suppress airflow
Solar drive But white roofs, shading
Lower interior RH (winter) Why many of them work?
Lower permeance interior Assumes good airtightness—
vapor retarder not bypassed
Moisture accumulation: what gets in vs. gets out
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Spray Foam/Exterior Insulation Roofs
2006 IRC: R806.4 Unvented attic assemblies
Minimum R-value of “air impermeable insulation” Actually ratio of R-values (BSI-100 Hybrid Assemblies)
Nail base needed with rigid foam on roof deck
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Why Fibrous Fill Unvented Roofs?
Unvented roofs without spray/board foams could reduce costs and increase market penetration… IF moisture damage risks are addressed
Retrofit opportunities (existing uninsulated living space at roof line, without removing finishes)
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Previous Building America Research
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Previous Building America Research Chicago (CZ 5A): One winter, 50% RH
Unvented roofs-high risk
Cellulose lower risk than FG batt
Vented compact roof (chute) safe-but poor air leakage
Houston/Orlando (CZ 2A): 2 attics, multiple seasons
Diffusion vents allow greater drying, avoid moisture problems
5 Top Vent Fiberglass-GWB
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2 Top Vent Cellulose-GW
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Chicagoroof disassembly
Houston roof w. diffusion vent
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Diffusion Vent Prototype (Orlando-Tile)200+ perms diffusion ventAir barrier closed
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Houston/Orlando Results
Diffusion vent avoids wintertime ridge accumulation problems (ridge peak RHs/MCs)
No failures at low interior RH, bigger difference at higher RH (interior humidification)
Airtightness disappointing in some cases-no SPF
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“Ridge Rot” and Moisture Buoyancy
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Houston and Jacksonville (CZ 2A) 2001
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Moisture Buoyancy Moisture concentrated at highest point in
conditioned attic (ridge)
Not a simple one-dimensional problem
Not a straight-up air leakage problem
Problem with open-cell spray foam (ocSPF) unvented roofs (high RHs in attic)-many climates But not ccSPF—lower vapor permeance
Concentration of interior-sourced moisture
Moist air is lower density (“lighter”) than dry air
Others: “system in equilibrium has same dewpoint in connected air space”
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“Ping Pong” Water
See BSI-016: Ping Pong Water and The Chemical Engineer
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“Ping Pong” Water
See BSI-016: Ping Pong Water and The Chemical Engineer
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“Ping Pong” Water
“Gas separation process similar to pressure swing adsorption”
Solar-powered moisture concentration machine
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Orlando Decommissioning
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Test Hut Approach & Construction
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Test Hut Experimental Approach Climate Zone 5A test hut
Eight north-south roof bays; guard bays
±R-50 (14-¾” framing, 2012 IECC)
Test variables (changed year-to-year):
Vapor retarder: variable perm vs. fixed perm, various permeance curves
Diffusion vent at ridge: full size, none, “small,” or “tight”
Fiberglass vs. cellulose
“Control” comparison §R806.4 spray foam + fibrous
Varying interior boundary conditions
Winter 1: “Normal” interior conditions
Winter 2: Elevated RH (50% constant)
Winter 3: Air leakage into rafter bays
Test Hut South Elevation
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Test Hut Construction
Flash and blow bays (ccSPF shown) ccSPF completes air barrier between bays, wiring holes
Insulation netted & blown
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Test Hut Construction
Interior air barrier & vapor retarder membrane
Adhesive spray + double tape seal (double-sided tape + housewrap tape) plus mechanical fasteners
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Test Hut Construction
Instrumentation completion
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Test Hut Construction
ccSPF in guard bays and walls
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Test Hut Construction
Fibrous insulation installed
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Test Hut Construction
Interior air/vapor control installed
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Experimental Approach: Diffusion Vent
~6 in. opening (fits under typical ridge cap)
Dörken Delta-Foxx membrane 214 perms dry cup, 550 perms wet cup
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Research Findings
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Year 1 Findings (“Normal” Conditions)
Non-diffusion vent roofs worst; high moisture levels at ridge
Roofs with diffusion vent & variable-perm vapor retarder safest
Viitanen mold index values below risk thresholds (3.0 MI); meets ASHRAE Standard 160
Visible settling of insulation (when cutting new ridge openings from above)
Summertime inward drive at fixed-perm VR roofs
Eliminated non-diffusion vent roofs for Year 2 (added “small” & “tight” DVs)
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Roof Insulation Settling (Fiberglass)
Insulation settling noted during diffusion vent retrofit
Fiberglass roof shown above
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Retrofit Work, Cellulose Settling
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Retrofit Work, Cellulose Settling
Settling along entire roof length only occurred on north side
Roofs left as-is for Winter 2: realistic settling of insulation? Also, damage to instruments when retrofitting insulation
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Summertime Inward Drive
1 perm vapor barrier 1 perm vapor barrier
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Summertime Inward Drive
Inward vapor drive does matter—we were just measuring in the wrong location!
1 perm vapor barrier 1 perm vapor barrier
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“Small” and “Tight” Diffusion Vents
“Small” DV = ~2 inches
“Tight” DV = 25 perm
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Year 2 Findings (50% RH Constant)
Interior at 50% RH creates much more challenging conditions: many pushing edge of risk
Many MCs over 20% to 30%, sustained high RH
Mold Index #s remain below 3.0
Mold growth occurred on framing & sheathing
“Tight” diffusion vent did not work acceptably
Code-compliant ccSPF roof acceptable
Repacked insulation after disassembly; filling all voids
Replaced all ridge sensors (data failures)
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Summer 2 Ridge Disassembly Work• Fiberglass: staining, rundown, some mold spotting
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Summer 2 Ridge Disassembly Work• Cellulose: worst mold, settling (greater at north)
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Year 3 Setup & Findings (Air Injection)
Early winter 50% RH, no air leak
February onward-add air leak
Air injection system Interior-to-interior leak
Very small air leak, 0.5 CFM per bay
Comparable to very airtight construction
Before air injection: much drier than Year 2 Repacking insulation suppresses convection?
Air injection: severe spike in sheathing MC Localized to injection site
Disassembly in summer: no visible damage
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Air Injection System
0.5 CFM air injection rate
North side roof
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Disassembly
No indication of moisture issues (mold, staining, packy insulation
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Miscellaneous Measurements
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Air Leakage Testing
Duct Blaster™ attached to exhaust opening
Pressurization & depressurization
~50 CFM 50 (0.02 CFM 50/sf enclosure)
Sliding door seal effect on airtightness
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Air Leakage Testing: Infrared w. ΔP
Air leakage at 3-way intersection
At guard bay, not test bay
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Air Leakage Testing During Disassembly
Depressurized to -75 Pascals
No detectable air leakage
No indication of tape seam failure
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Water Leakage Testing
Insulation removed from interior
-75 Pascal depressurization, 10 minutes water spraying each side
No sign of water leakage
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Density Measurements
Insulation weighed, density calc
Average 1.5 PCF (fiberglass) & 4.0 PCF (cellulose)
Higher density @ FG ridgeRoof Total Lbs Cubic Ft PCF
1 FG‐VB‐DV 5.8 4.6 1.3
2 FG‐SVR‐DV 6.2 4.6 1.3
3 FG‐VB‐nDV (Low) 6.6 4.6 1.4
3 FG‐VB‐nDV (Hi) 5.0 2.3 2.2
4 FG‐SVR‐nDV 6.4 4.6 1.4
5 Cell‐VB‐nDV (Low) 19.2 4.6 4.1
5 Cell‐VB‐nDV (Hi) 10.0 2.3 4.3
6 Cell‐SVR‐nDV 10.6 2.3 4.6
7 Cell‐SVR‐DV 8.6 2.3 3.7
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Data Results (Fiberglass Roofs)
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Instrumentation Design: Fibrous Insulation
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Instrumentation Design: Fibrous Insulation
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Instrumentation Design: Fibrous Insulation
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Fiberglass Roofs: Ridge RH 24 hr Average
24 hr. averaging for readability
Winter 1 compares DV vs. non-DV
Winter 2 wetter than Winter 1
Winter 3 much drier than Winter 2
Winter 1 Winter 2 Winter 3
Roof Short Name
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Fiberglass Roofs: Ridge Wafers
Winter 1 Roof 3 & Roof 4 no DV
Winter 1 vs Winter 2 (50% RH)
Winter 3 also 50% RH-but low moisture And wafer sensor replaced
Winter 1 Winter 2 Winter 3
Roof Short Name
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Winter 1 DV roofsvs. non-DV roofs
Much higher MCs in Winter 2 (50% RH)
Winter 3 drier “trajectory” (same 50% RH)
After air injection: MCs increase
30-40% MC @ lower & mid sheathings
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Fiberglass Roofs: Inward Drive Sensors
South side wafer sensors
Summer 2018/2019: Roofs 1 worst (fixed VB)
All below 40-45% MC condensation level Roof Short Name
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2 FG‐SVR‐DV
3 FG‐tVR‐DV
4 FG‐SVR‐sDV
Summer 2017 Summer 2018 Summer 2019
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Data Results (Cellulose Roofs)
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Cellulose Roofs: Ridge Wafer
50%+ MC unrealistic: condensation, borate migration
Winter 3 much drier than Winter 2
Roof 8 (hybrid) condensation-range MCs? Not replaced between Winters 2/3
Roof Short Name
5 Cell‐tVR‐DV
6 Cell‐SVR‐sDV
7 Cell‐SVR‐DV
8 ccSPF‐Cell
Winter 1 Winter 2 Winter 3
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North sheathing MCs
Upper: condensation & borate migration
Winter 3 starts out drier than Winter 2
Air injection: rise in MCs low & mid
Peak MCs lower than fiberglass: storage
Cellulose Roofs: N Sheathing MCs
Roof Short Name
5 Cell‐tVR‐DV
6 Cell‐SVR‐sDV
7 Cell‐SVR‐DV
8 ccSPF‐Cell
Winter 1 Winter 2 Winter 3
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Cellulose Roofs: Inward Drives
Inward drive wafer, south
All well below 15% MC (safe)
Roof Short Name
5 Cell‐tVR‐DV
6 Cell‐SVR‐sDV
7 Cell‐SVR‐DV
8 ccSPF‐Cell
Summer 2017 Summer 2018 Summer 2019
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Hybrid Roofs(ccSPF & cellulose)
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Rising RH Conditions @ Ridge
Sensor at sheathing showed safe behavior
Interface (ccSPF to cellulose) likely condensing surface
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Hybrid Roof Interface: RH
Winter 1: excursions to 90-95% RH
Winters 2 & 3 (50% RH): 95-100% RH all winter
No visible issues from interior (cellulose storage)
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Hybrid Roof Interface: Disassembly
No indications of caked or “packy”/adhered insulation on ccSPF
Hybrid assembly ‘insulation ratios’ not intended for ‘flatline’ 50% RH in winter
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Conclusions and Recommendations
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Recommendations and Further Work Unvented fibrous insulation roofs can work, BUT Ensure complete packing of insulation/density
Still vulnerable to small (0.5 CFM) air leaks
Mold found after Winter 2, despite mold index < 3.0 Vulnerability to moisture damage at ridge
Difficult to recommend for widespread use and acceptance in building codes High indoor RHs more likely w. tighter construction and
high occupant density/multifamily
Retrofit solution for failing assemblies? Demolition + spray foam not possible?
No place in code to allow
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Foam-free Unvented Roof Options Fibrous + continuous exterior insulation outside air
barrier, per§R806.5 Mineral fiber, wood fiber board, etc.
Ventilated cavity outboard of vapor-permeable air/water control membrane
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Recommendations and Further Work If implementing unvented fibrous insulation roofs Keep interior RH low for life of building
Airtightness of interior air/vapor control layer
Variable-perm vapor retarder (allows downward drying)
Large 300 perm diffusion vent recommended
Fibrous insulation without voids or empty cavities
Light colored roofs & shading increase risks
Future work? Moisture risks demonstrated; not sure if additional
research useful
“Story and a Half Geometry” (Cape Cod short slope)
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Story and a Half (Cape Cod Short Slope)
Possible application to retrofitting “short slope” of kneewall attic geometry
Eliminates “chute,” possible to retrofit longer runs
“Short slope” portion of roof“Short slope” portion of roof
LIVING SPACE
“Warm storage,” insulation at roofline. Air-vapor retarder required interior to insulation. Recommended approach for air barrier continuity
“Warm storage,” insulation at roofline. Air-vapor retarder required interior to insulation. Recommended approach for air barrier continuity
“Cold storage,” insulation at kneewall, across ceiling of first floor. Wind washing/air
barrier recommended at exposed kneewall insulation.
“Cold storage,” insulation at kneewall, across ceiling of first floor. Wind washing/air
barrier recommended at exposed kneewall insulation.
Blocking and air barrier required at floor framing cavities in “cold storage” approachBlocking and air barrier required at floor framing cavities in “cold storage” approach
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Story and a Half (Cape Cod Short Slope)
Higher R-value in limited cavity
Not proven by this research, but this is “lower half of roof” geometry (low risk portion)
Rafter bay has “full-size diffusion vent” to vented attic above
Common practice in weatherization NE/Midwest
State code change proposals in process
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