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Web location for this

presentation:

http://aztcs.orgClick on “Meeting Notes”

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SUMMARYYou can use your TV set as

either the primary or

secondary monitor for your

"Windows.." computer.

Here are the wired ways for

you to perform this wizardry.

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TOPICS

• Wired connections for

connecting an older PC to an

older TV

• Wired connections for

connecting a newer PC to a

newer TV

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WIRED CONNECTIONS FOR

CONNECTING AN OLDER PC TO

AN OLDER TV

• From 1987 until about 2015, most

computer motherboards and

graphics cards had VGA ports

• Starting in 2004, some TVs have

VGA ports but they were labeled

as "PC", "PC In", or "RGB" ports5

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WIRED CONNECTIONS FOR

CONNECTING AN OLDER PC TO

AN OLDER TV (continued)

• Starting in 1987, some

motherboards and some

graphics cards also had S-Video

ports. Others had component

video ports and/or composite

video ports.

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WIRED CONNECTIONS FOR

CONNECTING AN OLDER PC TO

AN OLDER TV (continued)

• To figure out how to connect

older PCs to older TV's, see the

comprehensive advice at

http://www.svideo.com/compaq1

700.html

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WIRED CONNECTIONS FOR

CONNECTING A NEWER PC TO A

NEWER TV

• DVI-D and DVI-I ports became

available on motherboards and

graphics cards in 1999.

• HDMI ports became available on

motherboards and graphics

cards in 20038

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WIRED CONNECTIONS FOR

CONNECTING A NEWER PC TO A

NEWER TV (continued)

• TV's started getting HDMI ports

in 2005.

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WIRED CONNECTIONS FOR

CONNECTING A COMPUTER TO A TV

OR A MONITOR

• Three main types of

connections from a computer

to TV:

VGA

DVI

HDMI10

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WIRED CONNECTIONS FOR

CONNECTING A COMPUTER TO A TV OR

A MONITOR (continued)

• "VGA" stands for

"Video Graphics Array"

• A "VGA" port is sometimes

called a

"PC" port in a TV

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TV

VGA port (= "PC" port)

Computer

VGA port

No is sound transmitted to the TV or

monitor.

VGA cable

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WIRED CONNECTIONS FOR

CONNECTING A COMPUTER TO A TV

OR A MONITOR (continued)

• "DVI" stands for "Digital Visual

Interface"

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WIRED CONNECTIONS FOR

CONNECTING A COMPUTER TO A TV OR

A MONITOR (continued)

• A DVI cable will transmit the

video screen from the

computer to the TV or monitor

• A DVI cable will not transmit

the sound from the computer

to the TV or monitor 18

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TV

DVI port

Computer

DVI port

No sound transmitted to the TV or

monitor.

DVI cable

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WIRED CONNECTIONS FOR

CONNECTING A COMPUTER TO A TV OR

A MONITOR (continued)

• "HDMI" stands for "High

Definition Multimedia Interface"

• A HDMI cable carries both the

video signal and the sound from

the computer to the TV or monitor

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TV

"HDMI" port

Computer

HDMI port

Sound is transmitted to the TV or

monitor.

HDMI cable

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WIRED CONNECTIONS FOR

CONNECTING A COMPUTER TO A TV OR

A MONITOR (continued)

• If your TV set has an HDMI

port(s), your TV set will also play

any audio that it receives from

your computer.

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WIRED CONNECTIONS FOR

CONNECTING A COMPUTER TO A TV OR

A MONITOR (continued)

• If your computer monitor has an

HDMI port(s), your computer

monitor may or may not play any

audio that it receives from your

computer:

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WIRED CONNECTIONS FOR

CONNECTING A COMPUTER TO A TV OR

A MONITOR (continued)

• Some computer monitors have a

standard 3.5 mm "TRS" audio

jack for you to attach a pair of

speakers or a headset to.

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WIRED CONNECTIONS FOR

CONNECTING A COMPUTER TO A TV OR

A MONITOR (continued)

• Some computer monitors have a

"integral" set of build-in speakers

which play any audio that is

received by their HDMI port(s).

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WIRED CONNECTIONS FOR

CONNECTING A COMPUTER TO A TV OR

A MONITOR (continued)

• Many computer monitors have no

way to deal with the audio signals

that arrive at their HDMI ports.

(About 50 percent of the flat-

screen computer monitors that

we have worked with are in this

predicament.)26

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WIRED CONNECTIONS FOR

CONNECTING A COMPUTER TO A TV OR

A MONITOR (continued)

• A conversion between HDMI and DVI

is easy:

You can use a conversion cable or

a conversion adapter.

Both are passive devices.

No active electronics is needed to

make the conversion:27

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HDMI WIRED CONNECTIONS FOR

CONNECTING A COMPUTER TO A TV OR

A MONITOR (continued

• The following is an example of a

DVI-to-HDMI adapter that has

worked well for us:

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WIRED CONNECTIONS FOR

CONNECTING A COMPUTER TO A TV OR

A MONITOR (continued)

• An HDMI plug-to-DVI-D plug

conversion cable looks like this:

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WIRED CONNECTIONS FOR

CONNECTING A COMPUTER TO A TV OR

A MONITOR (continued)

• If you have an HDMI port at

the computer end and a DVI

port at the monitor or TV end,

no sound will be transmitted:

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TV

or

Monitor

DVI port

Computer

HDMI port

No sound is transmitted to the TV

or monitor.

DVI-to-

HDMI

cable

or

adapter

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WIRED CONNECTIONS FOR

CONNECTING A COMPUTER TO A TV OR

A MONITOR (continued)

• If you have a DVI port at the

computer end and an HDMI

port at the monitor or TV end,

sound will sometimes be

transmitted:

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TV

"HDMI" port

Computer

DVI port

Sometimes sound is transmitted from

the DVI port of the computer to the TV

or monitor.

DVI-to-

HDMI

cable

or

adapter

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WIRED CONNECTIONS FOR

CONNECTING A COMPUTER TO A TV OR

A MONITOR (continued)

• Some sound controllers can

transmit audio from a DVI port and

some sound controllers cannot do

so:

Check the manufacturer's

documentation for the specific

sound controller that you have:40

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WIRED CONNECTIONS FOR

CONNECTING A COMPUTER TO A TV OR

A MONITOR (continued)

• When audio is transmitted from a

DVI port in a computer AND the

monitor has either a headset

jack OR integrated speakers,

you will get an indication in the

"Playback" tab of "Sounds" in

the "Control Panel":41

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Brand and generic name

of the monitor or TV

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Brand and generic name

of the graphics card in the

computer

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WIRED CONNECTIONS FOR

CONNECTING A COMPUTER TO A TV OR

A MONITOR (continued)

• If you have a DVI port at the

monitor or TV end and a HDMI

port at the other end, you can

sometimes transmit the sound.

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WIRED CONNECTIONS FOR

CONNECTING A COMPUTER TO A TV OR

A MONITOR (continued)

• VGA, DVI, and HDMI cables

have maximum usable length

of between 15 and 22 feet.

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Conventional HDMI cable

(up to 18 feet)

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MOVING YOUR KEYBOARD, MOUSE,

MONITOR, ETC. FARTHER AWAY FROM

YOUR COMPUTER (continued)

• Conventional HDMI and DVI

cables (for monitors) have a

maximum allowable total length of

about 18 feet

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MOVING YOUR KEYBOARD, MOUSE,

MONITOR, ETC. FARTHER AWAY FROM

YOUR COMPUTER (continued)

• You can attach two conventional

HDMI cables together with an

HDMI jack-to-HDMI jack adapter.

If you do so, you are still limited to

the maximum allowable total length

of 18 feet.

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conventional

HDMI cable #2

conventional

HDMI cable #1

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MOVING YOUR KEYBOARD, MOUSE,

MONITOR, ETC. FARTHER AWAY FROM

YOUR COMPUTER (continued)

• The Legrand company makes a

HDMI jack-to-HDMI jack adapter

with a unique angled design that

prevents the two connected HDMI

cables from pulling apart:

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A NEW ENABLING TECHNOLOGIES FOR

CONNECTING A PC TO A TV (continued)

• New Technology 1:

HDMI cables with Redmere

Technology

• New Technology 2:

Active USB 3 extension cables

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TWO NEW ENABLING TECHNOLOGIES

FOR MOVING YOUR COMPUTER AWAY

FROM YOU (continued)

• These two new technologies

double the maximum allowable

cable lengths between

your computer

and

the devices that you use for

interacting with your computer:

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5959

Conventional HDMI cable

(up to 18 feet)

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HDMI cable with

Redmere Technology

(up to 35 feet)

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TWO NEW ENABLING TECHNOLOGIES

FOR MOVING YOUR COMPUTER AWAY

FROM YOU (continued)

• With these greater maximum

allowable cable lengths, you can

now put your computer in the

next room or on the other side of

a heavy, sound-deadening piece

of furniture or on the other side

of a room divider:61

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HDMI cable with

Redmere Technology

(up to 35 feet)

wall

or

sound-

blocking

furniture

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TWO NEW ENABLING TECHNOLOGIES

FOR MOVING YOUR COMPUTER AWAY

FROM YOU (continued)• Two benefits of utilizing the two

new enabling technologies:

1. The fan noise of your computer is

now either gone or greatly reduced.

2 Your keyboard, monitor, mouse,

and Webcam are still connected to

your computer without making you

dependent on blue tooth or other

flaky wireless technologies.63

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TWO NEW ENABLING TECHNOLOGIES

FOR MOVING YOUR COMPUTER AWAY

FROM YOU (continued)

• If you run cables through a hole in

a wall, inside a wall, in an attic, or

in a crawl space, the cables should

have either a "CL2" fire safety

rating or a "plenum" rating

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TWO NEW ENABLING TECHNOLOGIES

FOR MOVING YOUR COMPUTER AWAY

FROM YOU (continued)

• If you run cables through a hole in

a wall, the electrical codes of most

jurisdictions recommend or

mandate the use of either UL-listed

"fire pillows" or UL-listed fire

proofing materials to impede the

spread of fire at the hole where the

cables enter the wall. 65

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TWO NEW ENABLING TECHNOLOGIES

FOR MOVING YOUR COMPUTER AWAY

FROM YOU (continued)

• The 3M company makes excellent

fire barrier materials for plugging

up holes that you put in walls for

cables:

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TWO NEW ENABLING TECHNOLOGIES

FOR MOVING YOUR COMPUTER AWAY

FROM YOU (continued)

• See

http://multimedia.3m.com/mws/me

dia/435680O/3mtm-fire-barrier-

packing-material.pdf

and

http://multimedia.3m.com/mws/me

dia/435679O/3mtm-fire-barrier-

packing-material.pdf70

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TWO NEW ENABLING TECHNOLOGIES

FOR MOVING YOUR COMPUTER AWAY

FROM YOU (continued)

• Any exposed cabling that you

install can be neatly enclosed in

"Electriduct" split loom corrugated

tubing:

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75

TWO NEW ENABLING TECHNOLOGIES

FOR MOVING YOUR COMPUTER AWAY

FROM YOU (continued)

• For sizes, lengths, and colors, see

http://www.electriduct.com/Colored

-Wire-Loom.html

75

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76

HDMI CABLES WITH REDMERE

TECHNOLOGY• If you want to extend an monitor to a

total cable length of up to 40 feet, you

can use

a single HDMI cable with Redmere

Technology",

or a conventional HDMI cable

connected to a single HDMI cable with

Redmere Technology

or two "HDMI cables with Redmere

Technology: 76

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7777

HDMI cable with

Redmere

Technology

(up to 40 feet)

wall

or

sound-

blocking

furniture

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78

HDMI CABLES WITH REDMERE

TECHNOLOGY (continued)

• These cables have an integrated

circuit chip at the TV or monitor

end that cleans up and repeats the

signal:

78

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80

HDMI CABLES WITH REDMERE

TECHNOLOGY (continued)

• Source for previous illustration:

http://www.edn.com/Pdf/ViewPdf?c

ontentItemId=4137634

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81

HDMI CABLES WITH REDMERE

TECHNOLOGY (continued)

• If you open up the end of the

"..Redmere Technology" cable that

is marked as "TV", you will find a

small printed circuit board with an

integrated circuit chip:

81

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83

HDMI CABLES WITH REDMERE

TECHNOLOGY (continued)

• The "TV" end of the "HDMI cable

with Redmere Technology" runs

hot so make sure that you use

cable ties and/or cabling support

hard to make sure that their is

good air flow around this end of the

cable.

83

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84

HDMI CABLES WITH REDMERE

TECHNOLOGY (continued)

• Source for the previous photo:

http://www.audiogurus.com/learn/c

ables/redmere-active-hdmi-cables-

technology/510

84

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85

HDMI CABLES WITH REDMERE

TECHNOLOGY (continued)

• "Redmere Technology" comes from

Ireland.

"HDMI cables with Redmere

Technology" are directional with

one end labeled "Source" and the

other end labeled "TV".

85

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HDMI CABLES WITH REDMERE

TECHNOLOGY (continued)

• The end labeled "TV" has to be

attached to or towards the monitor

or television set

• Then end labeled "Source" or the

end that has no markings has to be

attached to or towards the HDMI

jack of the computer.

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Source side connects

to an HDMI port on

your computer. It is

either labeled as

"Source" or has no label

Sink side connects to

your monitor or TV.

It is always labeled as

"TV"

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HDMI CABLES WITH REDMERE

TECHNOLOGY (continued)

• The length of the HDMI plug at the

"TV" end is usually longer than the

length of the HDMI plug at the

"Source" or unlabeled end:

88

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HDMI CABLES WITH REDMERE

TECHNOLOGY (continued)

• "Redmere Technology" enables

longer cable runs on significantly

thinner cables relative to conventional

HDMI cables. The reduction in the

required amount of copper and steel

results in a cost savings that makes

HDMI cables cheaper to make and a

lower price is reflected in the retail

price of the cables. 90

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HDMI CABLES WITH REDMERE

TECHNOLOGY (continued)

• If you install a "HDMI Cable with

Redmere Technology" backwards,

no video and audio signal is

transmitted to the TV or monitor.

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HDMI CABLES WITH REDMERE

TECHNOLOGY (continued)

• You can use a HDMI jack-to-HDMI

jack adapter to connect a

"..Redmere Technology" cable to a

"conventional HDMI" cable.

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HDMI CABLES WITH REDMERE

TECHNOLOGY (continued)

• If you connect a "..Redmere

Technology" cable to a

"conventional HDMI" cable,

"conventional HDMI" cable needs

to be nearer to the computer and

the "..Redmere Technology" cable

needs to be nearer to the TV or

flatscreen monitor:93

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HDMI CABLES WITH REDMERE

TECHNOLOGY (continued)

• The HDMI port of the computer

connects to

the "conventional HDMI" cable

which connects to an

"HDMI jack to HDMI jack" adapter

which connects to the

"Source" end of the Redmere

Technology cable.94

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HDMI CABLES WITH REDMERE

TECHNOLOGY (continued)

• Finally, the "TV" end of the

"Redmere Technology" cable

connects to the HDMI jack of the

flatscreen monitor:

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HDMI cable with

Redmere Technology

conventional

HDMI cable

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HDMI CABLES WITH REDMERE

TECHNOLOGY (continued)

• Polarity remains critical for "HDMI

cables with Redmere Technology"

when you combine them with

conventional HDMI cables:

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9898

HDMI cable with

Redmere Technology

conventional

HDMI cable

(no polarity)

"Source"

or unlabeled end

"TV end

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HDMI CABLES WITH REDMERE

TECHNOLOGY (continued)

• Both conventional HDMI cables

and "HDMI cables with Redmere

Technology" get expensive when

they are longer than 15 feet so the

following might be a cost-effective

configuration for you:

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100100

HDMI cable with

Redmere Technology

(15 feet)

conventional

HDMI cable

(15 feet)

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HDMI CABLES WITH REDMERE

TECHNOLOGY (continued)

• All of the manufacturers of "HDMI

cables with Redmere Technology"

advise against connecting two

HDMI cables with Redmere

Technology together.

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HDMI CABLES WITH REDMERE

TECHNOLOGY (continued)

• However, we have successfully

used a HDMI-to-HDMI adapter to

connect up to two "..Redmere

Technology" cables together with

no degradation of the video or

audio portions of the HDMI

signal:102

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103103

Second HDMI

cable with

Redmere

Technology

First HDMI

cable with

Redmere

Technology

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HDMI CABLES WITH REDMERE

TECHNOLOGY (continued)

• However, connecting three

"..Redmere Technology "

cables together does not

work, resulting in degraded or

non-existent video and audio

at the "TV" end of the three

interconnected cables.104

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Third HDMI

cable with

Redmere

Technology

First HDMI

cable with

Redmere

Technology

Second

HDMI cable

with

Redmere

TechnologyConnecting three

HDMI cables with

Redmere

Technology

together does

not work

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HDMI CABLES WITH REDMERE

TECHNOLOGY (continued)

• Polarity remains critical for "HDMI

cables with Redmere Technology"

when you combine of them

together:

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107107

Second HDMI

cable with

Redmere

Technology

First HDMI

cable with

Redmere

Technology

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Second HDMI

cable with

Redmere

Technology

First HDMI

cable with

Redmere

Technology

"Source"

or unlabeled end

"TV end

"TV end

"Source"

or

unlabeled

end

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HDMI CABLES WITH REDMERE

TECHNOLOGY (continued)

• You can connect one or more

conventional HDMI cables to one

or two "HDMI cables with

"Redmere Technology" as follows:

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110110

Second HDMI

cable with

Redmere

Technology

First HDMI

cable with

Redmere

Technology

First

conventional

HDMI cable

Second

conventional

HDMI cable

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111111

Second HDMI

cable with

Redmere

Technology

First HDMI

cable with

Redmere

Technology

First

conventional

HDMI cable

Second

conventional

HDMI cable

Up to 18 feet

total for the

two or more

conventional

HDMI cables

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Second HDMI

cable with

Redmere

Technology

First HDMI

cable with

Redmere

Technology

First

conventional

HDMI cable

Second

conventional

HDMI cable

Up to 30 feet

each for the

two HDMI

cables with

Redmere

Technology

for a total of

60 feet

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HDMI CABLES WITH REDMERE

TECHNOLOGY (continued)

• When you mix conventional and

"Redmere Technology" HDMI cables:

The conventional HDMI cables cannot

exceed a total of 18 feet.

The "Redmere Technology" cables have

to be closer to the "TV" end relative to

the conventional HDMI cables.

You cannot use more than two

"Redmere Technology" HDMI cables.113

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HDMI CABLES WITH REDMERE

TECHNOLOGY (continued)

• When you mix conventional and

"Redmere Technology" HDMI cables:

The conventional HDMI cables do not

have any polarity requirements but you

must follow the polarity requirements for

the "Redmere Technology" HDMI

cables:

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Second HDMI

cable with

Redmere

Technology

First HDMI

cable with

Redmere

Technology

First

conventional

HDMI cable

Second

conventional

HDMI cable

No polarity

requirements

for the two

conventional

HDMI cables

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Second HDMI

cable with

Redmere

Technology

First HDMI

cable with

Redmere

Technology

First

conventional

HDMI cable

Second

conventional

HDMI cable

Polarity

requirements

for the two

HDMI cables

with Redmere

Technology

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HDMI CABLES WITH REDMERE

TECHNOLOGY (continued)

• If your computer only has a DVI

port (and it does not have a HDMI

port), you can use a DVI-to-HDMI

adapter or a DVI-to-HDMI cable in

order to take advantage of the

length-enhancing capabilities of

"..Redmere Technology":

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HDMI cable with

Redmere Technology

conventional

HDMI cable

Computer

with DVI port

DVI-to-HDMI

adapter or

cable

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HDMI CABLES WITH REDMERE

TECHNOLOGY (continued)

• If you use a DVI-to-HDMI adapter

or cable, you will transmit the video

portion of the HDMI signal to the

monitor or TV. However the audio

portion of the HDMI signal will not

be transmitted to the monitor or TV.

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HDMI CABLES WITH REDMERE

TECHNOLOGY (continued)

• When purchasing "HDMI cables

with Redmere Technology", the

word "Redmere" has to be in the

manufacturer's description of the

cable. Otherwise, you will

inadvertently buy a conventional

(passive) HDMI cable

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HDMI CABLES WITH REDMERE

TECHNOLOGY (continued)

• All of the manufacturers of "HDMI

cables with Redmere Technology"

also make "conventional HDMI

cables" so be careful when buying

to make sure that you are getting

what you want

121

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HDMI CABLES WITH REDMERE

TECHNOLOGY (continued)

• The shorter (<25 feet)

"..Redmere.." cables have super-

thin, super-flexible formats

• The longer (>25feet) "..Redmere.."

cables have thicker, less flexible

formats

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HDMI CABLES WITH REDMERE

TECHNOLOGY (continued)

• For any specific length

"..Redmere.." cables are thinner

and more flexible than

"conventional HDMI cables" of the

same length

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HDMI CABLES WITH REDMERE

TECHNOLOGY (continued)

• "C & E" makes this 15-foot

"Ultra Slim" "HDMI cable

with Redmere Technology"

that has worked well for us

with one exception:

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HDMI CABLES WITH REDMERE

TECHNOLOGY (continued)

• When we connected two of

these 15-foot cables

together, some of our older

flat-screen monitors were

unable to display the video

signal.127

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HDMI CABLES WITH REDMERE

TECHNOLOGY (continued)

• When we connected either a

conventional HDMI cable or a

thicker "..Redmere.." cable made

by another company to a 15-foot

"C&E" "Ultra Slim"..Redmere.."

cable, older flat-screen monitors

worked fine.128

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HDMI CABLES WITH REDMERE

TECHNOLOGY (continued)

• The "C&E" company's

cables are only labeled

on the monitor end

with a label marking of

"TV". 129

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HDMI CABLES WITH REDMERE

TECHNOLOGY (continued)

• The unlabeled cable end is the end

that plugs into the HDMI port of the

computer.

131

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HDMI CABLES WITH REDMERE

TECHNOLOGY (continued)

• The "Sewell" line of "HDMI cables

with Redmere Technology" has

worked well for us.

This is the 30-foot "Sewell" cable

that we are demonstrating today:

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HDMI CABLES WITH REDMERE

TECHNOLOGY (continued)

• The "Sewell" company's

"..Redmere.." cables are only

faintly-labeled on the monitor end

with a label marking of "TV".

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HDMI CABLES WITH REDMERE

TECHNOLOGY (continued)

• The "Source" end of a "Sewell"

cable only has a label that says

"HDMI":

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HDMI CABLES WITH REDMERE

TECHNOLOGY (continued)

• This generically-labelled cable end

is the end that plugs into the HDMI

port of the computer.

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HDMI CABLES WITH REDMERE

TECHNOLOGY (continued)

• The Monoprice company's line of

"..Redmere Technology" cables has

worked well for us. The thicker cables

that they make have a good plastic

covering. However their thinner, more

flexible cables have a cotton covering

that we do not like since they seem to

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HDMI CABLES WITH REDMERE

TECHNOLOGY (continued)

• Unlike "C & E" and "Sewell", the

Monoprice company sells

"..Redmere Technology" cables

that are labeled at both ends:

the computer end is labeled as

"Source"

and the monitor end is labeled as

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HDMI CABLES WITH REDMERE

TECHNOLOGY (continued)

• The technical details for

Monoprice's 25-foot "HDMI with

Redmere Technology" cables can

be found at

http://www.monoprice.com/product

?p_id=12611 :

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HDMI CABLES WITH REDMERE

TECHNOLOGY (continued)

• "Belkin" and "Cable Matters" make

conventional 12-foot HDMI cables

which work well with the newer

"HDMI cables with Redmere

Technology":

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HDMI CABLES WITH REDMERE

TECHNOLOGY (continued)

• Belkin makes a tried-and-true

conventional 12-foot HDMI cable

that has worked well for us.

(At the present time, Belkin does

not make "..Redmere.." cables.)

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HDMI CABLES WITH REDMERE

TECHNOLOGY (continued)

• "Cable Matters" also makes a tried-

and-true conventional HDMI cable

that has worked well for us.

(At the present time, "Cable

Matters" does not make

"..Redmere.." cables.)

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