ukedchat Archive 12th September 2013 Hosted by @gceyre Imparting knowledge - What ways can we get students to learn factual knowledge? 20:00 @ukedchat It’s 8pm. Time for #ukedchat with @gceyre – ‘What ways can we get students to learn factual knowledge?’ 20:00:10 @gceyre Welcome to #ukedchat ! 20:00:24 @s armitage Blog post: On a virtual journey with my class and #iPad. #ukedchat #mlearning #edchat #googlehangout http://cambridgelearning.wordpress.com/2013/09/08/globa l-learning-journey/ … 20:00:29 @gceyre Welcome to tonight's chat, please remember to use the hash tag #ukedchat 20: 00: 40 @St ep hen Perse “@s_holyoake: @SPFSchools pic.twitter.com/NmTYXwACBh” Fun in Pre-prep #ukedchat 20:01:08 @gceyre To start with lets keep it broad; how can we get student to learn factual knowledge? #ukedchat 20: 01: 46 @ur ban teac he r http://blender.org - Free & Op en 3D creation software. & http://blenderswap.com templates directory #ukedtech #ukedchat 20:02:17 @Ac ademicsUK Next week is National Teaching Assistants Day. Mark your calendar for 16th September #ukedchat 20 :0 2: 40 @n ic ol ad ar li ng 78 Trying to find apps to help with number recognition and formation? Are there any people could recommend? #ukedchat 20:03: 31 @davidhunt er Isn't it ATTENTION + EXPERIENCE = MEMORY orsomething as simple as that? #ukedchat 20:04:15 @ICTmagic @gceyre Interesting topic. Will be fascinating to know how people approach this. #ukedchat 20:04:28 @gceyre Personally I find it very difficult to teach factual knowledge without lecturing, particularly at post-16 #ukedchat 20:04:36 @with ict #ukedchat factual knowledge such as? 20:04:44 @bapED10 #ukedchat chunk it and make it relatable to them and life 20:04:47 @ICTmagic @gceyre Do you have examples of the sort of facts that need to be learnt? #ukedchat 20:04:54 @mrw608 Use mind maps and other visual thinking t ools #ukedchat 20:05:12 @rlj1981 Factual knowledge is the easy bit. It's the higher orderskills that are tricky #ukedchat 20:05:17 @gceyre @davidhunter but how do you give students that experience? #ukedchat 20:05:27 @nahowie Students enjoying the fun free educational activities on the #friendourworld site http://ow.ly/oOVsu #edchat #ukedchat 20:05:27 @ICTmagic @bapED10 Is it possible to do that with all knowledge? #ukedchat 1 of 16
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20:13:25 @ICTmagic
@davidhunter Spelling is a tricky pne to avoid just
learning words and and rules by rote. Love to hear suggestions too. #ukedchat
20:13:52 @WhiteDebs@excitecuriosity @explainevrythng #ukedchat iPads canlead to great engagement -
20:13:54 @davidhunter @WhiteDebs not sure what that is. I'm sure I'll find out if Ilook it up #ukedchat
20:14:03 @nightzookeeper Mind maps and drawing a picture of your thoughts can begreat ways of visualising and retaining facts #ukedchat
20:14:13 @s_armitage
Looking to learn about practical experiences in classroom
with #googlehangout. Do get in touch. #UKedchat#mlearning http://bit.ly/17QpbJE
20:14:48 @tmeekyRT @ICTmagic: @davidhunter Spelling is a tricky pne ..so are typos :) #ukedchat
20:14:53 @mberryWikipedia and Google are quite good at rememberingfacts for me. #ukedchat
20:14:55 @mrandmrsteach
Mr Teach learned most of his geographical knowledgefrom playing Football Manager. Make it relevant tostudents #UKedchat
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20:15:02 @davidhunter @ICTmagic do @tesPrimary still do the spellingbee? Ilove a bit of competition #ukedchat
20:15:39 @gceyreLooking at the discussion. A sub set of factual knowledgeis spellings. What suggestions do you have for teachingspellings. #ukedchat
20:15:44 @Kezmerrelda
@davidhunter @with_ict or cheerleader chants like giveme a h, give me an e, give me an l, give me a p, whathave we got "help!" #ukedchat
20:16 @MrHistoire
Repeat the key ideas as a whole class ... In a funnyvoice ... Often .... Get them to repeat that answer todifferent questions #ukedchat
20:16:23 @rlj1981 @nightzookeeper @ICTmagic @gceyre agreed with bellson. Make their learning memorable. #ukedchat
20:16:25 @nahowie'Money' to be taught in schools - with lessons on statespending via @Telegraph http://fw.to/ufwfKTO #ukedchat
20:16:29@web20education
New post:My top 20 #ipad apps to #mlearning discoveredfrom #tcdisrupt http://bitly.com/tcdisrupt2013 #edchat#cpchat #ukedchat via @LucianeCurator
20:16:35 @ukedchatRT @MrHistoire: @nightzookeeper model maps are mycurrent fave #ukedchat
20:16:55 @ICT_MrP
Be flexible and always be willing to go off plan with whatthe children are interested in -http://mrparkinsonict.blogspot.co.uk/2013/09/starting-our-blogging-with-bang.html … #ukedchat
20:17:25 @excitecuriosity
#ukedchat “While we teach, we learn.” Seneca, RomanPhilosopher, d. 65AD. Learn, create and present to peers.Works for all ages!
20:17:27 @edaptukGuidance for teachers during industrial actionhttp://edapt.co/12U0fjG #ukedchat
20:17:48 @GeorgeEBlack
Have you tried Learning Events Generator?http://www.newtools.org/showtxt.php?docid=724 … livensup theory learning, eg. Postmodern theory as a jazz song!#ukedchat
20:17:48 @davidhunter @Kezmerrelda @with_ict maybe some military chants?#ukedchat
20:17:51 @gceyre
@nightzookeeper suggests mind maps. does any onehave any favorite techniques to teaching mind mapping?#ukedchat
20:17:57 @WhiteDebs @davidhunter #ukedchat 'think-a-link' top example - 'Don'tflood the loo' to get the oo instead of u
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20:24:44 @gceyre@tstarkey1212 I totally agree #ukedchat It is the balancebetween that and the 'system'
20:24:46 @magicalmaths
Is Islam A Peaceful Religion? Shocking! Mehdi HasanOxford Union - #pgce #ukedchat #edchat
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20:24:53 @magicalmathsHow do I set homework for my pupils? - #pgce #ukedchat#edchat http://tinyurl.com/9alyu99
20:25:02 @nightzookeeper
@davidlettington @gceyre not always easy to mark basedon skills though as they are a lot more ambiguous#ukedchat
20:25:06 @davidlettington@nightzookeeper @rlj1981 ...but not during an exam Ihope! #ukedchat
20:25:08 @bekblayton
@nightzookeeper @davidlettington @rlj1981 good point...
How important is fact retention these days #ukedchat
20:25:36 @WhiteDebs@traceyab1 #ukedchat I'd be interested to know how thatgoes
20:26:10@SparkyTeaching
Seems 'The Importance of Mr Gove' is relevant totonight's #ukedchat. re. teacher-talk and retaining facts...>> http://www.sparkyteaching.com/creative/the-importance-of-mr-gove/ …
20:26:18 @GeorgeEBlack
#ukedchat also making something, a box, a sculpture,something different they will remember and convert the
dry 'knowledge' into a memory.
20:26:20 @gceyre
We are now getting towards the half way mark. Whatspecific techiques do you have for teaching key words tostudents? #ukedchat
20:26:25 @nightzookeeper @mrlockyer another fact for you: Otters hold hands whenthey float so that don't get separated #ukedchat @gceyre
20:26:28 @with_ict
@bekblayton @nightzookeeper @davidlettington@rlj1981 not very! locate info from reliable source is whtwill b needed as adult #ukedchat
20:26:34 @mreddaviesPupils need core knowledge and the ability to searchgoogle effectively. A competitive quiz suits boys I havefound as incentive #UKEdchat
20:26:43@EducatedTeacher
If your school club is over subscribed and not sport/artrelated, does it mean it's popular because you are runningit? #ukedchat #edchat
20:27:06 @nightzookeeper
@davidlettington @rlj1981 haha, well why not? Youwouldn't take devices off people at any other time in their life... #ukedchat
20:27:22 @gceyre @GeorgeEBlack I really agree with that ... but when youhave to cover an exam syllabus in a year it difficult to do
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for all. #ukedchat
20:27:45 @excitecuriosity
Passing tests doesn’t begin to compare w searching&enquiring &pursuing topics that engage us & excite us#ukedchat http://ow.ly/22LkKd
20:27:45 @davidhunter http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spaced_learning …#ukedchat this is a very interesting technique I have usedfor times tables
20:28:02 @excitecuriosity @ICTmagic ditto that one! #ukedchat✨
20:28:41 @raff31@magicalmaths We did this last year @magicalmaths Wedid this last year #ukedchat
20:29:01 @mrandmrsteachFor key words try using anagrams. Unscramble and writea definition. Then find an example #UKedchat
20:29:11 @traceyab1
@WhiteDebs Did mini trial last year which worked well so
making it a regular twice weekly event. Short bursts or learning #ukedchat
20:29:24 @nightzookeeper
@davidlettington @rlj1981 sometimes we test on topicsand in methods that are so far detached from future lifeexperiences... #ukedchat
20:30:11 @HoDTeacher
Learning facts in Maths …http://theviewfromthemathsbunker.wordpress.com/2013/06/06/sticky-maths/ … #stickymaths #ukedchat
20:30:24 @gillbudgell
Lovely useless fact: Otters hold hands when they float so
that don't get separated #ukedchat @gceyre@nightzookeeper #cute
20:30:37 @StephenPerse
The true value of friendship in a digital age | stephenperse foundation #ukedchathttps://stephenperse.wordpress.com/2013/08/19/the-true-value-of-friendship-in-a-digital-age/#comments …
20:30:38 @bekblayton
Also need to help students learn how they best remember facts, study skills and memory aides etc. everyone isdifferent! #ukedchat
20:30:56 @mreddavies Key word bingo. Read the definition. If they have the keyword they cross it off. Easy starter. #UKEdchat
20:31:18 @mberry
@nightzookeeper is suspect the time spent:facts learntratio is /quite/ high for that. @ICTmagic @rlj1981@gceyre #ukedchat
20:31:22 @gceyre
A usefull way to help with fact retention is Da Vincimoments - going back to previously covered informationfor 10 min in the #ukedchat
20:31:28 @MrGsBrain@davidhunter exactly. . . Let's be real. All a bit fluffy for
me.....What works for MOST?? #ukedchat20:31:38 @gceyre of a lesson. #ukedchat
20:40:34 @SalGrylls#ukedchat the more they read.....the more everythingimproves.
20:40:41 @ICT_MrP
From @appadvice: Toca Builders - FREE TODAY - amust on any iPad beig used in the classroom #ukedchathttp://appsgonefree.getapp.cc/app/GB/652077009 …
20:40:58 @Acklam_RS@mreddavies We use this at GCSE with sweetie prizesas an added incentive. Works well and kids get very'involved'. #UKedchat
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20:41:26 @davidhunter @WhiteDebs it did for me and it did for Paul Kelley at
monkeaton #ukedchat
20:41:35 @excitecuriosity@GeorgeEBlack like the paper lantern story in teach likea pirate #ukedchat #tlap @burgessdave
20:41:52 @nightzookeeper
@traceyab1 @gceyre cool, let me know how it goes.@EPPS_ICT used mentoring during NZK project lastyear, worked really well! #ukedchat
20:42:14 @tmeeky
I want my kids excited, keen + happy to go to school eachmorning. If they are, something right is happening. If not, Iintervene #ukedchat
20:42:20 @gceyreNumber one technique for delivering a large body of facts just to meet an external examination requirement?#ukedchat
20:42:24 @nightzookeeper @ukedchat @MrHistoire can you share anything onmodel maps? #ukedchat
20:42:29 @ukedchat
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u=e97344da33f46a7dbb6f16fe4&id=ec47899e39 …20:43:35 @ICT_MrP Providing tasks where children have to create to share
Imparting knowledge - What wayscan we get students to learn
factual knowledge?
understanding always makes knowledge stick -http://mrparkinsonict.blogspot.co.uk/2013/07/making-new-knowledge-stick.html … #ukedchat
20:43:43 @bekblayton
@gceyre repeat and reproduce in different ways. colour,
make connections and look at regularly - record and listento if needed! #ukedchat
20:44:58 @traceyab1
@WhiteDebs @sarahjg1703 we give parents list of 1st100 HFW (and then nxt 200 when done) so they know lethelp chn in own way. #ukedchat
20:45:15 @nightzookeeper @ICT_MrP speaking my language Mr P! #ukedchat
20:45:19 @gceyreIn the last twenty minutes now. Do you agree with theprincipal of core knowledge? #ukedchat
20:45:54 @bapED10
#ukedchat no specific no1, plethora of ways to suit the
'fact' range of methods always best. Adapted to hats infront of you
20:46:27 @tmeeky
RT @gceyre: In the last twenty minutes now. Do youagree with the principal of core knowledge? #ukedchat> Iagree with core values (learnin)
20:46:28 @WhiteDebs
@ICT_MrP #ukedchat Agree - and collectively creatingtheir own mark schemes for papers, instead of sittingthem is great for revision
20:46:35 @gceyre
@traceyab1 @WhiteDebs @sarahjg1703 Do you find that
that helps parents or are some parents overwhelmed by100 at once? #ukedchat
20:46:43 @traceyab1@nightzookeeper @gceyre @EPPS_ICT will do!#ukedchat
20:47:21 @GeorgeEBlack
mentioned it once, v. engaging - the Learning EventsGenerator...http://www.newtools.org/showtxt.php?docid=724 … you can get an adaptable one too!#ukedchat
20:47:32 @ICTmagic
@gceyre If everone knows the same core knowledge, is
that knowledge more or less valueable for an individual?#UKedchat
20:47:49 @ukedchatRT @bootleian: @gceyre #ukedchat Who's to say whatcore knowledge is? Unfortunately, it's political.
20:48:05 @Grevster73 @gceyre oops. #ukedchat yes I do! For some subjects.
20:48:12 @tmeeky
No-one actually understands Ed/Learning in its entirety,so let's have faith in ourselves (as a prof) that we are doinbest we can #ukedchat
20:48:32 @gceyre @Grevster73 What subjects? #ukedchat
20:48:35 @traceyab1 @gceyre @WhiteDebs @sarahjg1703 no probs in prevyrs - giving out next week after meeting with parents as
Imparting knowledge - What wayscan we get students to learn
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20:52:50 @nightzookeeper @JennyCameron @gceyre @ukedchat haha"Shakespeare was in it for the money." #ukedchat
20:53:48 @MrHistoire@gceyre I use COPRU for source analysis #ukedchat#historyteacher
20:54:11 @Grevster73@Grevster73: @bekblayton @gceyre I think there's adifference between a nat curric & core knowledge#ukedchat
20:54:38 @tmeeky
Teachers who are parents: stuff to do with your own kids,instead of the spelling homework they bring homehttp://bit.ly/11fB2L3 #ukedchat
20:54:51 @Jon_Torbitt
.@Anniegottago @ukedchat needs near-positivediscrimination to unleash potential. Make it challenging,attractive + high profile #ukedchat
20:54:53 @mrw608 @tmeeky #Ukedchat agree! there speaks a fellowparent :)
20:55:03 @fcbsd@gceyre it irrelevant once they have left school :~)#ukedchat
20:55:12 @travelgeordie
@gceyre #ukedchat depends on the project. Sometimes a#pbl approach requires students to be taught knowledgein a just in time approach.
20:55:18 @with_ict@DanaABDUL @gceyre #ukedchat FAIL= First AttemptIn Learning :)
20:55:27 @ukedchat#UKedchat is always on the look out for hosts for thecommunity's Thursday night sessions. If you areinterested, please get in touch.
20:55:42 @gceyreIn the last 8 minutes tonight. Favourite random fact?#ukedchat
20:56:06 @mikeatedji
@Grevster73 @bekblayton @gceyre Could you explainwhat the difference wd be between core knowledge andNat Curric? #ukedchat
20:56:12 @Grevster73@mikeatedji @bekblayton @gceyre probably not in 149
characters! #ukedchat20:56:27 @MrHistoire
@gceyre Teddy Roosevelt was the first and onlypresident to kill a cougar with a knife #ukedchat
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9 quotes about teaching that might actually make you
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20:57:31 @mrlockyer @gceyre #ukedchat Cats can't follow a pointed finger
20:57:35 @with_ict@gceyre #ukedchat how many people will GOOGLE'interesting facts'!? Makes the point null n void really:)
20:57:38 @mikeatedjiThe little bump on the front side of your ear is called atragus #ukedchat
20:57:58 @ICT_MrP@WhiteDebs absolutely, mantle of the expert! Let thembecome teachers! #ukedchat
20:58 @gceyre @with_ict Should we allow Google in exams? Googling isa skill! #ukedchat
20:58:22 @travelgeordie
A student told me today that cancer has been cured andgave me some evidence to look at online. Might have tochallenge that ha #ukedchat
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20:59:36 @with_ict @gceyre I shall make it my life mission ha ha:) #ukedchat
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My new tech display...work in progress! #ukedchat#edchat Encouraging more students to become creativeusing tech. pic.twitter.com/0g9JppO91m
21:00:02 @gceyreOne more minute for any final thoughts on FACTS#ukedchat
21:00:02 @[email protected] mission I shall start later though as#EducatingYorkshire is about to start:) #ukedchat
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21:00:10 @ukedchat It's 9pm. Huge thanks to @gceyre for hosting tonight’s