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ARCHAEOLOGICAL  INSTITUTE  OF  AMERICA  115TH  ANNUAL  MEETING  CHICAGO,  ILLINOIS    JANUARY  2-­‐5,  2014  

 Interdisciplinary  Studies:  Archaeology  and  Conservation  

   

Workshop  Summary                            

Alice  Boccia  Paterakis  Thomas  Roby  Claudia  Chemello  

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Table  of  Contents  

Structure  and  content  of  the  workshop  ...........................................................................  3  

Major  points  arising  from  the  panel  discussion  ...........................................................  5  Panel  schedule  .........................................................................................................................  7  

Abstracts  ....................................................................................................................................  8  Speaker  and  moderator  biographies  .............................................................................  13  

Appendices  ..............................................................................................................................  20  

Appendix  A  ..............................................................................................................................  21  Transcript  of  panel  presentations  ............................................................................................  21  

Appendix  B  ..............................................................................................................................  41  Transcript  of  the  panel  discussion  ...........................................................................................  41  

   

                                         The  workshop  was  generously  sponsored  by  the  Archaeological  Institute  of  America  Conservation  and  Site  Preservation  Committee  and  the  Getty  Conservation  Institute.

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Structure  and  content  of  the  workshop      Interdisciplinary  Studies:  Archaeology  and  Conservation  Sunday,  January  3,  2014  2:45  pm  to  5:15  pm    The  organizers  of  the  workshop  were  Alice  Boccia  Paterakis,  Japanese  Institute  of  Anatolian  Archaeology,  Turkey,  Claudia  G.  Chemello,  Co-­‐founder/Senior  Conservator  Terra  Mare  Conservation,  LLC,  Thomas  Roby,  Getty  Conservation  Institute,  and  Stephen  Koob,  Corning  Museum  of  Glass.      

The  goals  of  the  workshop  were  to  foster  the  growing  awareness  of  the  benefits  of  interdisciplinary  studies  in  archaeology  and  conservation  university  programs  and  to  promote  the  development  and  implementation  of  such  courses  into  the  curricula  of  these  departments.  There  are  approximately  eight  graduate  programs  in  North  America  that  offer  a  degree  in  the  conservation  of  art,  architecture,  or  archaeological  materials.  Most  universities  offering  degrees  in  archaeology  are  not  privileged  with  a  conservation  department  on  campus  and  many  fall  short  of  including  conservation  in  their  archaeology  curriculum.  Conservation  programs  in  North  America  can  likewise  benefit  by  a  review  of  course  requirements  in  their  archaeological  conservation  curricula  and  the  incorporation  of  fundamental  education  in  archaeology.  One  of  the  goals  of  this  workshop  was  to  lay  the  groundwork  for  the  advancement  of  education  for  future  archaeologists  and  conservators.  

The  panel  was  comprised  of  archaeologists  and  conservators  involved  in  education  who  presented  the  current  state  of  training  in  archaeology  and  conservation  in  their  institutions.    

The  panelists  were  asked  to  present  the  following  issues:  

• the  current  state  of  interdisciplinary  studies  between  archaeology  and  conservation  in  their  institution    

• their  recommendations  for  increasing  conservation  education  for  the  archaeology  student  and  archaeology  education  for  the  conservation  student  

• their  suggestions  highlighting  areas  of  conservation  knowledge  most  needed  by  archaeologists  and  those  areas  of  archaeology  knowledge  most  needed  by  conservators  for  the  drafting  of  future  curricula.  

The  transcript  of  the  panel  presentations  is  included  in  Appendix  A       Following  the  panel  presentations  a  discussion  session  was  held  involving  the  panelists  and  audience  that  touched  upon  many  topics  including  1)  the  drafting  of  a  list  of  fundamental  interdisciplinary  requirements  for  archaeology  and  

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conservation  education  and  2)  the  formation  of  a  working  group  for  the  drafting  of  educational  guidelines  for  universities  after  the  workshop.  By  soliciting  presentations  from  both  archaeologists  and  conservators  a  holistic  view  of  the  situation  today  in  academia  was  provided.  This  collaboration  encourages  and  promotes  the  careful  consideration  of  the  needs  and  requirements  of  both  fields  by  both  professions.  The  panelists  gave  10-­‐minute  presentations  based  on  their  experiences  as  educators  and  specialists  working  in  international  field  projects:    

• Ioanna  Kakoulli  from  the  UCLA/Getty  Program  on  the  Conservation  of  Archaeological  and  Ethnographic  Materials  described  the  interdisciplinary  curriculum  of  this  UCLA/Getty  Interdepartmental  Degree  Program  in  conservation.    

 • Frank  Matero  from  the  University  of  Pennsylvania  addressed  the  graduate  

level  courses  and  internship  programs  offered  by  the  University  of  Pennsylvania’s  Program  in  Historic  Preservation  in  archaeological  site  conservation.    

 • John  Merkel  from  the  Institute  of  Archaeology,  University  College  London,  

addressed  the  conservation  courses  offered  to  undergraduates  at  UCL  including  “Conservation  for  Archaeologists”.      

 • John  Papadopoulos  from  UCLA  discussed  the  approach  to  the  conservation  of  

the  burial  tumulus  of  Lofkënd  in  Albania  involving  site  preservation,  conservation  work  in  the  laboratory,  and  conservation  and  reconstruction  in  the  field.    

 • Elizabeth  Pye  from  the  Institute  of  Archaeology,  University  College  London,  

introduced  the  conservation  courses  offered  to  archaeology  undergraduate  and  Masters  students  at  UCL,  and  the  introduction  to  archaeology  for  specialist  conservation  Masters  students.  

 • Chris  Ratté  from  the  University  of  Michigan  discussed  site  conservation  at  

the  Aphrodisias  (New  York  University)  and  Notion  (University  of  Michigan)  field  projects  in  Turkey  and  addressed  the  challenges  of  site  management.    

 

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• Brian  Rose  from  the  University  of  Pennsylvania  spoke  about  the  conservation  challenges  posed  by  the  archaeological  sites  of  Troy  and  Gordion  in  Turkey  and  the  development  of  sustainable  conservation  programs  for  these  sites.      

 • Kent  Severson  from  the  Shangri  La  Center  for  Islamic  Arts  and  Cultures  

described  the  short  course  in  archaeological  conservation  offered  by  the  Conservation  Center  of  the  Institute  of  Fine  Arts  at  New  York  University  since  2003.  

Major  points  arising  from  the  panel  discussion    The  second  half  of  the  workshop  consisted  of  a  discussion  between  panelists,  moderators  and  the  audience.  Please  see  the  summary  that  follows.    

The  audience  consisted  of  a  fairly  even  representation  of  archaeologists  and  conservators  as  determined  by  an  informal  show  of  hands.  During  the  discussion  the  question  was  raised  regarding  inadequacies  and  gaps  in  knowledge:  the  overall  consensus  was  that  archaeologists  would  benefit  more  from  increased  knowledge  about  conservation  than  would  conservators  from  more  knowledge  of  archaeology.      

In  the  ensuing  discussion  of  various  ways  and  means  to  incorporate  conservation  into  the  archaeology  curriculum  suggestions  were  made  while  considering  undergraduate  and  graduate  degree  programs  in  archaeology  as  distinct  entities  in  their  own  right.  Suggestions  for  ways  in  which  conservation  may  be  included  in  the  archaeology  curriculum  as  obligatory  courses  were  presented:    

• introduce  conservation  courses  outside  the  normal  academic  year,  for  example  during  summer  field  schools,  

• hire  traveling  lecturers  in  conservation  in  lieu  of  permanent  conservation  faculty,  

• make  conservation  classes  a  prerequisite  for  admission  to  graduate  programs  in  archaeology,  

• substitute  conservation  for  another  subject  (such  as  an  ancient  language)  in  the  qualifying  exams  for  PhD  students,  

• introduce  undergraduate  degree  programs  in  archaeology  (that  include  a  conservation  component)  that  are  almost  nonexistent  in  the  USA,  

• offer  interdisciplinary  classes  in,  for  example,  materials  science,  digital  technology,  and  archaeometry  that  are  attended  by  both  archaeology  and  conservation  students.  

   

It  was  pointed  out  that  the  goal  of  education  is  having  knowledge  about  each  other’s  specializations,  i.e.  archaeology,  conservation,  material  science,  etc.  in  terms  

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of  what  it  can  offer  and  how  it  can  be  used  to  advantage,  not  training  one  person  to  be  proficient  in  two  or  three  specializations.  Therefore  the  next  course  of  action  will  be  to  identify  the  requisite  knowledge  that  will  benefit  most  the  archaeologist  and  the  conservator  about  each  other’s  field.    One  means  to  help  achieve  this  is  to  encourage  more  joint  publications  in  archaeology  and  conservation.      

It  became  clear  during  the  discussion  that  in  our  changing  world  the  role  of  site  manager  is  becoming  a  profession  in  its  own  right,  distinct  from  that  of  excavation  director.    The  question  was  raised,  can  one  course  cover  the  interest  of  all  three  professions:  archaeology,  conservation  and  management?  Some  universities  are  now  offering  site  management  classes  to  both  archaeology  and  conservation  students.    Another  specialization,  director  of  the  archaeological  project,  is  emerging  in  addition  to  and  as  distinct  from  site  manager  and  excavation  director.  University  programs  are  taking  these  developments  into  account  and  are  adapting  to  the  changing  responsibilities  of  and  approaches  to  archaeology  and  conservation  today  while  keeping  in  mind  the  current  needs  and  opportunities  of  the  job  market.    University  education  is  challenged  to  keep  up  with  this  growing  number  of  specialisms  related  to  the  preservation  of  the  archaeological  heritage.      

The  final  point  of  discussion  concerned  the  credentials  of  the  professional  archaeologist.  It  was  suggested  that  a  means  to  ensure  requisite  conservation  knowledge  would  be  to  include  conservation  in  the  eligibility  requirements  of  the  archaeologist  for  registration  in  the  Register  for  Professional  Archaeologist  (RPA).  One  of  the  goals  of  the  RPA  is  to  achieve  high  standards  of  professional  conduct  in  archaeology.  The  RPA  was  described  as  an  organization  with  steadily  growing  numbers  of  registered  archaeologists,  therefore  it  was  suggested  that  the  RPA  could  be  a  good  forum  for  including  conservation  into  the  credentialing  process.      

The  discussion  concluded  with  volunteers  from  the  audience  who  signed  up  to  contribute  to  future  activities  in  the  form  of  a  working  group.      The  transcript  of  the  discussion  is  included  in  Appendix  B    

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Panel  schedule    Archaeological  Institute  of  America  115th  Annual  Meeting,  Chicago,  Illinois,  January  2-­‐5,  2014.    Session  3G:  Workshop  Interdisciplinary  Studies:  Archaeology  and  Conservation    Sunday,  January  3,  2014  2:45  pm  to  5:15  pm        

2:45-­‐2:50   Introduction  and  Opening  Remarks  Alice  Boccia  Paterakis,  Tom  Roby  Moderators  

2:50–3:00   Archaeological  Conservation  Strategies  at  Troy  and  Gordion    C.  Brian  Rose,  University  of  Pennsylvania  

3:00-­‐3:10   “All  things  Useful  and  Ornamental”:  Praxis-­‐based  training  for  Archaeological  Site  Conservation    Frank  Matero,  University  of  Pennsylvania  

3:10-­‐3:20   Archaeology  and  Conservation:  A  Three-­‐pronged  Approach    John  K.  Papadopoulos,  Cotsen  Institute  of  Archaeology,  UCLA      

3:20-­‐3:30   Frontier  Conservation  Education:  Excellence,  Innovation  and  Leadership  Ioanna  Kakoulli,  UCLA/Getty  Program  on  the  Conservation  of  Archaeological  and  Ethnographic  Materials    

3:30-­‐3:40   Site  Conservation  in  Turkey  Christopher  Ratté,  University  of  Michigan  

3:40-­‐3:50   A  Short  Course  in  Archaeological  Conservation  at  New  York  University  Kent  Severson,  Shangri  La  Center  for  Islamic  Arts  and  Cultures      

3:50-­‐4:00   Conservation  and  archaeology:  encouraging  engagement    Elizabeth  Pye,  Institute  of  Archaeology,  University  College  London  

4:00-­‐4:10   Undergraduates  help  with  Archaeological  Conservation  John  Merkel,  Institute  of  Archaeology,  University  College  London  

4:10-­‐5:10   Panel  Discussion  with  panelists,  audience  and  moderators  5:10-­‐5:15   Concluding  Remarks  

Alice  Boccia  Paterakis  and  Thomas  Roby  Moderators  and  Panelists  

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Abstracts    Frontier  Conservation  Education:  Excellence,  Innovation  and  Leadership    Ioanna  Kakoulli,  UCLA/Getty  Program  on  the  Conservation  of  Archaeological  and  Ethnographic  Materials    

Conservation   is   an   ancient   and   relatively   new   undertaking.   Activities   in  conservation   include   examination/analysis   of   objects,   documentation,   treatment,  collections   care,   access,   and   dissemination   and   require   knowledge   and   skills   across   a  variety   of   fields   from   the   social   sciences   and   the  humanities   to   the  natural   sciences,   and  engineering.  The   conservation  of   heritage  materials   is   therefore   a   truly  multidisciplinary  endeavor.        

The   UCLA/Getty   Interdepartmental   Degree   Program   (IDP)   is   the   youngest   of   the  conservation   graduate   degree–granting   programs   in   North   America   with   a   very   specific  and   unique   focus   on   the   conservation   of   archaeological   and   ethnographic  materials.   The  program’s   interdisciplinary   curriculum   includes   two   years   of   rigorous   coursework  combining  research  with  laboratory  and  field  simulations  and  conservation  practice  and  an  eleven-­‐month  internship  in  a  museum  and/or  in  the  field.  The  academic  curriculum  can  be  broadly   divided   into   three   thematic   units:   1)   Materials   chemistry,   properties   and  deterioration;   2)   Conservation   documentation   and   scientific   investigations:   3)  Archaeological   methods,   ethnography   ethics   and   site   preservation.   The   courses   at   the  UCLA/Getty  Conservation  IDP  are  multilisted  with  other  departments  across  campus  thus  enriching  the  students’  experience.  Housed  within  the  Cotsen  Institute  of  Archaeology  and  the   Getty   Villa,   the   UCLA/Getty   IDP   has   significant   advantages.   Students   both   from   the  conservation  and  archaeology  programs  at  UCLA  are  enriched  by  direct   interactions  with  faculty   and   researchers   from   the  Cotsen   Institute   of  Archaeology   and  other  departments  across   campus   as   well   as   Getty   Museum   Conservation   Department   and   the   Getty  Conservation  Institute’s  Science  Department  and  Field  projects.    

 The   UCLA/Getty   Conservation   IDP   provides   an   excellent   platform   for   education,  

research,  and  sustainable  resources  for  the  preservation  of  material  culture  and  supports  discovery   and   innovation   through   research   that   transcends   the  boundaries   of   traditional  disciplines.  It  uniquely  trains  the  next  generation  of  conservators  in  the  best  practices  and  methods   of   cultural   heritage   conservation   through   various   pedagogical   approaches   and  positively   impacts   the   community   by   engaging  with   a  more   informed   public   that   would  seek  to  protect  cultural  heritage  from  imminent  threats.    

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     “All  things  Useful  and  Ornamental”:  Praxis-­‐based  training  for  Archaeological  Site  Conservation  Frank  G.  Matero,  University  of  Pennsylvania    

Archaeological  sites  constitute  a   large  percentage  of   the  world’s  built  heritage  and  their   conservation,   display,   and   management   require   special   advanced   knowledge   and  skills.    Despite  their  widespread  occurrence  and  need,  programs  in  education  and  training  have   been   limited   to   a   handful   of   organizations   such   as   UNESCO/ICCROM,   ICOMOS,  Institute  of  Archaeology,  University  College  London  and   the  Getty  Conservation   Institute.      Since  1991,  the  University  of  Pennsylvania’s  Program  in  Historic  Preservation  has  offered  specialized  graduate  level  courses  in  archaeological  site  conservation  and  in  1995  began  an  additional   summer   field   internship   program   to   train   American   graduate   students   in  archaeological   site   conservation.     Although   only   a   few   academic   programs   in   heritage  conservation   offer   special   courses   in   archaeological   site   conservation   and   management,  their  availability  is  limited  to  matriculated  students  or  specific  to  their  locale.    As  a  result,  international   students  and  professionals  have   little   recourse   for  advanced   training   in   the  subject  and  few  have  the  time  or  financial  resources  to  pursue  full-­‐time  academic  degrees.      

 In   2010   a   three-­‐week   intensive   field-­‐based   summer   program,   ideal   for   practicing  

professionals   and   international   students   with   limited   time,   was   launched   to   provide  archaeologists   and   heritage   specialists   the   opportunity   to   gain   expertise   in   the  conservation  and  management  of  archaeological  sites.    The  curriculum  draws  from  a  wide  range   of   published   literature   and   laboratory-­‐   and   field-­‐based   exercises   applicable   to  national   and   international   contexts.     Topics   include   the   history   and   theory   of   site  conservation,   documentation   and   recording   methods,   site   formation   and   deterioration,  material  and  structural  analysis,  diagnostics,  and  a  broad  range  of   intervention  strategies  including  stabilization,  interpretation,  and  display.  Students  gain  the  necessary  knowledge  and   skill   sets   to   develop,   execute   and  manage   a   site   conservation  plan,   now   required  by  many  international  and  national  authorities  for  heritage  sites.    

   Undergraduates  help  with  Archaeological  Conservation  John  Merkel,  Institute  of  Archaeology,  University  College  London  

Interdisciplinary   aspects   for   archaeology   and   conservation   are   under   renewed  further   development   at   the   Institute   of   Archaeology   at   University   College   London  (UCL).     There   are   a   wide   range   of   academic   programs   and   courses   which   address  

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conservation   for   archaeology  and  museums.    Within   the   Institute   there  have  been   recent  purchases  this  academic  year  of  XRD  and  FTIR  (in  addition  to  existing  SEM/EDS  facilities)  as   well   as   employing   a   new   member   of   staff   (Dr.   Caitlin   O’Grady)   with   additional  interdisciplinary  research  and  teaching  in  conservation.    This  new  analytical  equipment  is  used  foremost  in  conservation  and  ancient  technology  research  by  post-­‐graduate  students  and  staff.  

Undergraduate   students  have   the  opportunity   to   take   the  optional   course   entitled  “Conservation  for  Archaeologists”  which  is  taught  by  all  conservation  staff  in  the  Institute  along  with  invited  guest  speakers.    The  course  is  one  unit  which  is  equivalent  to  36  hours  of  lectures,  4  hours  of  museum  visits,  2  hours  of   tutorials   and  4  hours  of  practical   sessions  with   additional   requirements   for   reading,   two   essays   and   examination.     The   course   aims  are   to   provide   a   wider   understanding   of   archaeological   conservation   and   incorporate  conservation  better  within  archaeological  projects.  

In   our  undergraduate   course   “Conservation   for  Archaeologists”,   the  point   is  made  that   some   conservation   treatments   should   be   reserved   for   conservators.     Archaeologists  should  know  when  a  professional  conservator  would  be  needed  on  site,  but  nevertheless  be   prepared   to   undertake   some   tasks   like   lifting,   consolidation   and  packaging.     Archaeologists   should   also   be   familiar   with   the   deterioration   of  materials   in  various   burial   conditions   and   storage   in   order   to   anticipate   conservation   needs   for  planning   and   appreciate   potential   outcomes   for   treatments   today.     The   undergraduate  course   includes   outlines   for   the   history   of   conservation   for   ceramic,   stone,   metals   and  organic  materials   to   help   students   recognize   past   treatments.    However,   the   course   does  not  provide  practical  training  and  experience  with  investigative  and  remedial  conservation  treatments,   such   as   cleaning,   stabilization   and   reconstruction.     Lectures   stress   both   the  ethical   care   of   objects   and   the   contribution   that   the   conservator   can   make   to   a   fuller  understanding  of  objects  and  archaeological  sites.  

   

Archaeology  and  Conservation:  A  Three-­‐pronged  Approach                                                                                                      John  K.  Papadopoulos,  Cotsen  Institute  of  Archaeology,  UCLA  

 On  the  basis  of  the  UCLA-­‐Albanian  Institute  of  Archaeology  project  at  the  prehistoric  

burial   tumulus   of   Lofkënd   in  Albania,   this   short   presentation  will   focus   on   three   aspects  that  should  be  critical  to  any  project:  

- Conservation  in  the  field  

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- Conservation  in  the  laboratory  (particularly  in  countries  with  poor  infra-­‐structure),  including  long-­‐term  storage  

- Conservation  of  the  site  at  the  conclusion  of  excavations    For  field  conservation,  the  presentation  will  focus  on  excavation  protocols  involving  

the  use   of  wooden   tools   to  minimize  damage   to   human   and   animal   skeletons,   as  well   as  block-­‐lifting   of   fragile   finds.   Laboratory   conservation   will   overview   the   protocols   put   in  place  by  the  project  conservator,  Vanessa  Muros,  including  the  treatment  of  ceramics  and  terracotta   objects,   unfired   and  poorly   fired  daub,  metals   (bronze,   gold/electrum,   iron,   as  well  as  bimetallic  finds),  faience  and  glass,  lithic  tools,  bitumen  and  other  organic  finds,  as  well  as  their  labeling  and  analysis.  The  training  of  student  conservators,  together  with  the  long-­‐term  training  of  an  Albanian  conservator  will  also  be  discussed.    

 Finally,   the   presentation   will   review   our   reconstruction   of   the   Lofkënd   tumulus.  

When  a  monument  is  excavated  it  removes  a  piece  of  cultural  property  from  the  landscape.  Consequently,  we  included  the  maintenance  of  monumentality  in  our  initial  project  design,  by  setting  funds  aside  to  rebuild  the  tumulus.  In  reconstructing  our  excavated  tumulus,  we  found   that  we   could   leave   the  monument   in  place   and  give   it   added  value   from   the  new  knowledge  of  its  relevance  to  local  people,  not  to  mention  the  revival  of  a  dying  craft:  the  making  of  mud  brick.      Conservation  and  archaeology:  encouraging  engagement  Elizabeth  Pye,  Institute  of  Archaeology,  University  College  London      

This   short   contribution  will   outline   the   introduction   to   conservation   provided   for  archaeology   undergraduate   and   Masters   students   at   UCL,   and   the   introduction   to  archaeology  for  specialist  conservation  Masters  students.  

 It   will   comment   on:     the   need   for   conservators   to   understand   the   wider  

archaeological   research   context,   and   research   questions;   the   nature   of   the   service  conservators  can  provide  in  support  of  archaeological  research;  and  how  to  work  alongside  archaeologists   most   effectively   in   the   field.     It   will   explore   briefly:     the   nature   of  conservation   as   a   discipline   as   well   as   a   technical   specialism;   the   advantages   for  archaeologists  to  understand  the  role  of  conservation  in   interpretation  and  elucidation  of  objects,  and  its  potential  to  contribute  to  archaeological  research.  

 Finally   it   will   recommend   consideration   of   a   joint   publication   focused   on  

demonstrating  the  aims  of  each  discipline  and  the  strengths  of  interdisciplinary  activities.    

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   Site  Conservation  in  Turkey    Christopher  Ratté,  University  of  Michigan                    

This  presentation  will  address  issues  of  site  conservation  at  field  projects  in  Turkey,  sponsored  by  my  former  institution  (NYU)  and  my  current  institution  (Kelsey  Museum  of  Archaeology,  University  of  Michigan).    

 At  Aphrodisias,  where  archaeological   investigations  have  been  carried  out  by  NYU  

since   1961,   I   participated   in   a   number   of   efforts   to   conserve   buildings   on   site   and   to  improve   visitor   experience   of   the   ancient   monuments.   Key   to   these   efforts   were   the  institution  of  procedures  of   lime-­‐mortar  wall-­‐capping  that  could,   in  the   future,  be  carried  out  by  trained  local  workmen  under  the  supervision  of  the  local  museum,  and  the  redesign  of  circulation   through   the  site  so  as   to  give  visitors  a  better  experience  of  ancient  spaces  while  maintaining  the  integrity  of  the  archaeological  remains.    

 All  archaeological  projects  in  Turkey  face  increasing  demands  for  the  conservation  

and   restoration   of   ancient   buildings   in   the   interest   of   touristic   development.   The  Kelsey  Museum  has  recently  submitted  an  application  to  begin  a  new  archaeological  project  at  the  site  of  Notion  on   the  Aegean  coast,   and   this  proposal   incorporates   site  management   into  the  research  program  from  the  start,  including  security,  conservation,  accessibility,  signage  and  circulation,   landscaping,  and  feasibility  studies   for  the  restoration  of   the  Theater  and  other  major  monuments.    

 While  it  is  now  generally  accepted  that  archaeologists  must  recognize  the  interests  

of  multiple  interests  and  stakeholders  in  the  investigation  of  archaeological  sites,  from  the  economic   needs   of   local   residents   to   the   interests   of   tourists,   states,   and   international  organizations  such  as  UNESCO,  the  role  that  archaeologists  should  play  in  the  coordination  and  management  of  these  interests  and  stakeholders  remains  a  matter  for  discussion  and  debate.    Archaeological  Conservation  Strategies  at  Troy  and  Gordion  C.  Brian  Rose,  University  of  Pennsylvania    

At  multi-­‐period  sites  such  as  Troy  and  Gordion,  not  every  building  uncovered  during  excavation   can  be  preserved,   and   some  are  partially   dismantled   in   the   search   for   earlier  historical  levels.  At  the  same  time,  the  material  remains  of  the  successive  settlements  need  to  be  signaled  to  the  visitor,  so  that  the  complex  history  of  the  site  can  be  comprehended.  

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These  goals  are  complicated  by  the  fact  that  most  of  these  multi-­‐period  sites  were  partially  excavated   during   earlier   periods,  which  means   that   few  of   the  walls   had   been   stabilized  and   many   have   already   tumbled.   As   Mediterranean   and   Near   Eastern   countries  increasingly  emphasize  the  necessity  of  stronger  conservation  programs  at  archaeological  sites,  conservators  and  archaeologists  need  to  work  together  more  closely  than  ever  before  to   determine   the   best   sustainable   conservation   programs   that   can   ideally   engage   the  surrounding  residents  as  stakeholders  in  the  site's  maintenance.        A  Short  Course  in  Archaeological  Conservation  at  New  York  University  Kent  Severson,  Shangri  La  Center  for  Islamic  Arts  and  Cultures              

Since   2003,   the   Conservation   Center   of   the   Institute   of   Fine   Arts   at   N.Y.U.   has  conducted   a   week   long   training   workshop   in   archaeological   conservation   to   prepare  students   for   their   first   field   experience.     To   help   students   make   the   jump   from   the  classroom  to  the  reality  of  work  on  active  archaeological  sites,  the  course  focused  on  what  it   is   that   newcomers   really   need   to   know   to   be   effective   in   the   field.     The   course   was  followed  by   a   season   at   an   active   archaeological   site   such   as   the  Harvard/Cornell   Sardis  Expedition,   the  New  York  University  Aphrodisias  and  Samothrace  Excavations,  as  well  as  projects  in  Italy,  Greece  and  Egypt.      

Speaker  and  moderator  biographies    Claudia  Chemello  is  co-­‐founder  and  senior  conservator  of  Terra  Mare  Conservation,  LLC.  Prior  to  working  in  private  practice,  she  was  senior  conservator  at  the  Kelsey  Museum  of  Archaeology  at  the  University  of  Michigan  from  2006  –  2013.  She  has  also  worked  for  the  Agora  Excavations,  American  School  of  Classical  Studies  at  Athens  and  other  international  cultural  institutions.  She  received  her  BA  in  Egyptology  from  Macquarie  University,  Sydney  and  her  MA  in  Applied  Science  (Materials  Conservation)  from  the  University  of  Western  Sydney.    She  has  provided  conservation  for  numerous  archaeological  excavations  in  the  Middle  East,  Central  America  and  the  Mediterranean.    Address:  Terra  Mare  Conservation  LLC,  14  Marbel  Lane,  Charleston,  SC    29403-­‐6504    Email:    [email protected]    Ioanna  Kakoulli  received  her  PhD  in  archaeological  sciences  from  the  University  of  Oxford  

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and  her  Master’s  in  conservation  science  from  the  Courtauld  Institute  of  Art,  University  of  London.   She   is   an   Associate   Professor   in   the   Department   of   Materials   Science   and  Engineering  at  UCLA  and  Chair  of  the  UCLA/  Getty  Degree  Program  on  the  Conservation  of  Archaeological   and   Ethnographic   Materials.   She   directs   the   activities   of   the  Archaeomaterials  Group  and  the  Molecular  and  Nano  Archaeology  Laboratory  at  the  Henry  Samueli  School  of  Engineering  and  Applied  Science  at  UCLA  established  through  NSF  and  UCLA   funding,   specializing   in   two   scientific   pursuits:   Archaeometry   and   Conservation  Science.    

Prof.  Kakoulli  conducts  research  on  material  culture  that  intersects  traditional  and  advanced   scientific   techniques   at   multiple   scales   and   focuses   on   reverse   engineering  processing   studying   the   relation   between   microstructure   and   properties   to   understand  ancient   technology   and   trade   in   antiquity,   as   well   as   environmental   and   diagenetic  alterations  and  their  effects  in  the  preservation  of  artifacts.  She  has  published  extensively  and  authored  a  peer-­‐reviewed  monograph  as  well  as,  book-­‐chapters,  scientific  articles  and  invited   conference  papers.   She   is   a   resource  person   for   ICCROM   in  Rome;   consultant   for  Homeland  Security  Investigations;  member  of  US  State  Department  delegations  on  Science  &  Technology;  foreign  expert  for  UNESCO  missions  on  the  preservation  of  cultural  heritage,  and  trustee  member  of  the  Cyprus  American  Archaeological  Institute  (CAARI).    

 Address:   University   of   California   Los   Angeles,   A210   Fowler   Building   Los   Angeles,   CA  90095-­‐1510  

 Email:  [email protected]    Frank  G.  Matero  is  Professor  of  Architecture  and  former  Chair  of  the  Graduate  Program  in  Historic  Preservation  at  the  School  of  Design,  and  Director  and  founder  of  the  Architectural  Conservation   Laboratory   at   the   University   of   Pennsylvania.     He   is   also   a  member   of   the  Graduate  Group  in  the  Department  of  Art  History  and  Research  Associate  of  the  University  Museum  of  Archaeology  and  Anthropology.    From  1981  to  1990  he  was  Assistant  Professor  of  Architecture  and  from  1985-­‐1990,  Director  the  Center  for  Preservation  Research  in  the  Graduate   School   of   Architecture,   Planning,   and   Preservation   of   Columbia  University.     He  received  his  graduate  education  in  architecture  and  preservation  from  the  Graduate  School  of  Architecture,  Planning  and  Preservation  of  Columbia  University  and  in  art  conservation  at   the   Institute   of   Fine   Arts,   New   York   University.     From   1988-­‐1995   he  was   lecturer   in  Architectural   Conservation   at   the   International   Center   for   the   Study   of   Preservation   and  the  Restoration  of  Cultural  Property  (ICCROM)  in  Rome  and  is  currently  senior  lecturer  for  Restore,  New  York  City.  

His   teaching   and   research   is   focused   on   historic   building   technology   and   the  conservation   of   building   materials,   with   an   emphasis   on   masonry   and   earthen  

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construction,   the   conservation   of   archaeological   sites,   and   issues   related   to   preservation  and  appropriate  technology  for  traditional  societies  and  places.    Publications  include  over  50  articles  and  book  chapters  on  architectural  conservation.    He  has  consulted  on  a  wide  range   of   conservation   projects   including   the   fortifications   of   Cairo   and   San   Juan   (Puerto  Rico),  Drayton  Hall,  the  Guggenheim  Museum  and  Trinity  Church  (New  York),  the  Lincoln  and   Jefferson   Memorials,   Ellis   Island,   and   the   missions   of   California   and   Texas.     His  archaeological   site  work   includes  many   sites   in   the   American   southwest   including  Mesa  Verde,  Casa  Grande,  Bandelier,  Salinas  Missions,  El  Morro,  and  Fort  Union  and  Fort  Davis  and   Indian   Key   in   Florida   as   well   as   the   Phrygian   capital   of   Gordion   and   Catalhoyuk   in  Turkey,  and  Chiripa  in  Bolivia.  

He  is  a  Professional  Associate  of  the  American  Institute  for  Conservation  of  Historic  and  Artistic  Works  and  former  Co-­‐chair  of  the  Research  and  Technical  Studies  Group  and  founder  and  editor  in  chief  of  the  international  conservation  journal,  Change  Over  Time.    He  has  served  on  the  editorial  boards  of  Conservation  and  Management  of  Archaeological  Sites,  the   Journal   of   Architectural   Conservation,   and   Cultural   Resource   Management   and   on  numerous   professional   boards   including   US/ICOMOS,   Heritage   Preservation,   the   Frank  Lloyd   Wright   Building   Conservancy,   the   AIA   Historic   Resources   Committee,   and   the  Fairmount  Park  Historic  Preservation  Trust,  and  The  Woodlands.    Address:  102  Meyerson  Hall,  210  South  34th  Street,  Philadelphia,  PA  19104  

 Email:  [email protected]    John  Merkel  has  been  a  Lecturer  at  the  Institute  of  Archaeology,  University  College  London  (UCL),  since  1988  specialising   in   interdisciplinary  teaching  and  research  for  conservation  and  archaeometallurgy.    He  has  now  supervised  thirteen  Ph.D.  students  and  numerous  MA.  and  MSc.  dissertations.      

His   academic   training   in   conservation   (1988)   and   Ph.D.   (1983)   were   both  completed   at   the   Institute   of   Archaeology.     His   undergraduate   degree   (archaeological  geology)  was   from  the  University  of  Cincinnati  and  his  MSc.   (ancient  studies)   is   from  the  University  of  Minnesota.    Between  1984  and  1987,  John  worked  as  a  research  assistant  at  the  Peabody  Museum,  Harvard  University.  

At  UCL,  he  has  coordinated  and  taught   in   the  undergraduate  course  “Conservation  for   Archaeologists”   for   some   13   years.   This   course   attracts   some   25   students   per   year  mostly  from  archaeology  at  the  Institute,  but  also  from  ancient  history,  anthropology  and  other  departments,  for  example,  from  the  School  of  Oriental  and  African  Studies  (SOAS)  in  the  University  of  London.    The  course  also  attracts  international  students  from  the  USA  in  the   Junior   Year   Abroad   programme.     In   conservation   teaching   at   UCL,   John   focuses  foremost  on  metals  and  documentation.  

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His  continuing  research  interests   in  conservation  include  corrosion  of  metals   from  archaeological  sites,  mixed  corrosion  inhibitors  for  stabilisation  of  copper  alloys  and  effects  of   cleaning  on  depletion  gilding.    Analytical   techniques  used   in  his   research   include  XRD,  XRF,  AAS,  ICP  and  metallography.    His  teaching  in  archaeometallurgy  includes  parts  of  the  archaeometallurgy  MA.  and  MSc.  courses  with  his  research  topics  predominately  on  Bronze  Age   smelting   experiments,   Islamic   production   of   crucible   steel   and   Sican   Metallurgy   in  Prehispanic   Peru.     He   is   currently   working   with   co-­‐authors   toward   completion   of   two  books  related  to  the  prehistory  of  metal  use.    Address:  UCL  Institute  of  Archaeology,  31-­‐34  Gordon  Square,  London  WC1H  0PY  UK  

 Email:  [email protected]    John   K.   Papadopoulos   is   Professor   of   Archaeology   and   Classics   at   the   University   of  California   at   Los   Angeles,   former   Chair   of   Classics   and   current   Chair   of   the   Archaeology  Interdepartmental  Program.  His  research  and  teaching  interests  include  the  Aegean,  as  well  as   the  eastern  and  central  Mediterranean   in   the  Late  Bronze  and  Early   Iron  Age   into   the  Classical   and   later   periods,   Greek   colonization,   the   topography   of   Athens,   and   the  integration  of   literary   evidence  with   the  material   record   in   the   study  of   the  past.  He  has  excavated  or  conducted  fieldwork  widely  in  Greece,  Albania,  Italy,  and  Australia.  He  is  the  author  or  editor  of  nine  books,  over  80  articles  and  some  35  reviews.      Address:  Cotsen  Institute  of  Archaeology,  308  Charles  E  Young  Dr.  North  A210  Fowler  Building/Box  951510,  Los  Angeles,  CA  90095-­‐1510  

 Email:  [email protected]    Alice  Boccia  Paterakis  has  served  as  Director  of  Conservation  for  the  Kaman-­‐Kalehöyük,  Yassihöyük,  and  Büklükale  excavations  in  Central  Anatolia,  Turkey,  for  the  Japanese  Institute  of  Anatolian  Archaeology  since  2008.  Prior  to  this,  she  served  as  Head  of  Conservation  for  the  Ancient  Agora  Excavation  and  Museum  in  Athens,  Greece,  for  the  American  School  of  Classical  Studies  from  1986  until  2004.  She  was  awarded  the  Rome  Prize,  the  National  Endowment  for  the  Arts  Fellowship  in  Historic  Preservation  and  Conservation,  by  the  American  Academy  in  Rome  in  1999-­‐2000.  In  2004,  she  was  awarded  a  Conservation  Guest  Scholar  Fellowship  by  the  Getty  Conservation  Institute  and  in  2005  a  Fellowship  in  the  History  of  Art  from  the  Samuel  H.  Kress  Foundation.  She  was  granted  a  Samuel  H.  Kress  Conservation  Publication  Fellowship  for  preparation  of  the  book  entitled  Volatile  Organic  Compounds  and  the  Conservation  of  Inorganic  Materials.  In  2007,  she  contributed  to  the  University  of  Pennsylvania’s  Gordion  Furniture  Project  in  Ankara,  

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Turkey.  In  2013,  Dr.  Paterakis  became  a  lecturer  in  the  Art  Conservation  program  at  Scripps  College,  Claremont,  CA,  where  she  teaches  Archaeological  Conservation.  She  has  served  on  the  Directory  Board  of  the  International  Council  of  Museums  –  Committee  for  Conservation  (ICOM-­‐CC)  and  on  the  AIA’s  Conservation  &  Heritage  Management  Committee.  She  holds  a  M.A.C.  in  Conservation  from  Queen’s  University,  Kingston,  Ontario,  Canada,  and  a  Ph.D.  in  Conservation  from  the  Institute  of  Archaeology,  University  College  London.  She  is  a  Fellow  of  the  International  Institute  for  Conservation  (IIC)  in  London  and  the  American  Institute  for  Conservation  (AIC)  in  Washington,  D.C.    Address:  Art  Conservation  Department,  Scripps  College,  1030  Columbia  Avenue,  Claremont,  CA  91711    Email:  [email protected];  [email protected]    Elizabeth   Pye   is   Emeritus   Professor   of   Archaeological   and   Museum   Conservation,   at  University   College   London   Institute   of   Archaeology  where,   before   her   recent   retirement,  she   taught   both   theoretical   and   practical   aspects   of   heritage   conservation.   Her   current  research  focuses  on  practical  and  conceptual  effects  of  physical  access  to  museum  objects.  She   is   author   of  Caring   for   the  Past:   Issues   in  Conservation   for  Archaeology  and  Museums.  London:   James   and   James   (2001),   and   editor   of  The  Power  of  Touch:  Handling  Objects   in  Museum  and  Heritage  Contexts.  Walnut  Creek:  Left  Coast  Press  (2007).      Address:  UCL  Institute  of  Archaeology,  31-­‐34  Gordon  Square,  London  WC1H  0PY  UK    Email:  [email protected]    Christopher  Ratté   is  a  Classical  archaeologist,  specializing  in  the  archaeology  of  western  Turkey.  He  was  educated  at  Harvard  University  (B.A.  1981)  and  the  University  of  California  at   Berkeley   (Ph.D.   1989),   and   taught   at   Florida   State,   NYU,   and   the   University   of  Pennsylvania,   before   joining   the   faculty   of   the   University   of   Michigan   in   2006.   He   is  currently  Professor  of  Classical  Archaeology  in  the  Departments  of  Classical  Studies  and  the  History  of  Art,  and  Director  of  the  Kelsey  Museum  of  Archaeology.  

Ratté  is  the  author,  co-­‐author,  or  editor  of  four  books  and  more  than  30  articles  and  excavation  reports  on  the  archaeology  of  Turkey.  From  1980  to  1992,  he  was  a  member  of  the  Sardis  Expedition  (serving  as  Assistant  Director  from  1989-­‐1992).  From  1993  to  2005,  he   supervised   the  excavations  at  Aphrodisias   (serving  as  Field  Director   from  1993-­‐2005,  and   as   Co-­‐Director   from   1999-­‐2006).   From   2005-­‐2009,   he   directed   an   archaeological  survey  of   the  region  around  Aphrodisias.  Together  with  Felipe  Rojas   (Brown  University),  he  recently  submitted  a  proposal  to  begin  a  new  field  project  at  Notion  on  the  Aegean  coast  

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of  Turkey.   From  2009-­‐present,  Ratté  has   also  been  directing   an   archaeological   survey  of  the  region  around  Vani  in  western  Colchis  (Republic  of  Georgia).    

Ratté’s   research   focuses   on   the   role   played   by   the   built   environment,   from  individual   monuments   to   entire   social   landscapes,   in   the   definition   and   articulation   of  social   and   cultural   identity,   especially   in   regions   on   the   peripheries   of   the   Greek   and  Roman  worlds  –  for  example,  on  how  masonry  techniques  helped  to  articulate  the  cultural  identity  of  the  Anatolian  kingdom  of  Lydia,  on  the  role  played  by  city  planning  and  urban  development   in   the   “Romanization”   of   Aphrodisias,   or   on   how   the   social   organization   of  Colchis  is  expressed  through  regional  settlement  patterns.    Address:  History  of  Art,  110  Tappan  Hall,  855  South  University  Avenue,  Ann  Arbor,  MI    48109-­‐1357    Email:  [email protected]      Thomas  Roby  is  an  architectural  conservator  in  the  Field  Projects  Department  of  the  Getty  Conservation  Institute  (GCI)  where  he  is  manager  and  co-­‐instructor  since  2001  of  the  training  project  for  in  situ  mosaic  maintenance  technicians  in  collaboration  with  the  Institut  National  du  Patrimoine  of  Tunisia.  While  at  the  GCI  he  has  also  participated  in  archaeological  site  conservation  projects  at  Copan  in  Honduras  and  in  the  Valley  of  the  Queens  in  Egypt.    Prior  to  joining  the  GCI,  he  worked  in  private  practice,  primarily  on  archaeological  sites  in  the  Mediterranean  region.    Address:    Getty  Conservation  Institute,  1200  Getty  Center  Drive,  Suite  700,  Los  Angeles,  CA  90049-­‐1684.    Email:  [email protected]  

C.   Brian   Rose   is   James   B.   Pritchard   Professor   of   Mediterranean   Archaeology   at   the  University  of  Pennsylvania  and  Curator-­‐in-­‐Charge  of  the  Mediterranean  Section  of  the  Penn  Museum.  He  received  his  B.A.  from  Haverford  College  and  his  M.A.,  M.Phil.,  and  Ph.D.  from  Columbia  University.  Between  1988  and  2012  he  was  Head  of  Post-­‐Bronze  Age  excavations  at  Troy,  and  English  language  editor  of  Studia  Troica.  He  has  authored  or  edited  four  books  on  the  archaeology  of  Troy  and  Gordion,  and  another  on  dynastic  commemoration   in   the  early   Roman   Empire.   Between   1994   and   2000   he   was   an   Academic   Trustee   of   the  Archaeological   Institute  of  America,   then  First  Vice-­‐President   (2002-­‐2006)  and  President  (2007-­‐2011).  He  was  Deputy  Director  of  the  Penn  Museum  between  2008  and  2011,  and  is  a  trustee  of  the  American  Academy  in  Rome.    

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Address:  Mediterranean  Section,  Room  351B,  Univ.  Museum  of  Archaeology  and  Anthropology,  University  of  Pennsylvania,  Philadelphia,  PA  19104        Email:  [email protected]    Kent  Severson,  a  graduate  of  the  New  York  University  (NYU)  Institute  of  Fine  Arts  Conservation  Center  training  program,  has  participated  in  archaeological  projects  in  Turkey,  Greece,  Italy  and  Egypt  for  30  years,  including  serving  as  the  Senior  Field  conservator  for  the  NYU  Excavations  at  Aphrodisias,  Turkey.  From  2003  to  2011  he  was  course  coordinator  for  NYU’s  Short  Course  in  Archaeological  Conservation.  He  has  also  been  Visiting  Instructor  in  Collections  Care  and  Management  for  the  Iraqi  Institute  for  the  Conservation  of  Antiquities  and  Heritage  in  Erbil,  Iraq.  Formerly  in  private  practice  in  Boston,  Massachusetts,  Severson  is  currently  conservator  at  Doris  Duke’s  Shangri  La  in  Honolulu,  Hawaii.    Address:  Shangri  La,  4055  Papu  Circle,  Honolulu,  HI  96816    Email:  [email protected]  

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Appendices    Appendix  A:  Transcript  of  the  panel  presentations    Appendix  B:  Transcript  of  the  panel  discussion                                                                        

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Appendix  A  Transcript  of  panel  presentations    

ARCHAEOLOGICAL  INSTITUTE  OF  AMERICA  2014         BRIAN  ROSE:  Thanks  to  Alice  and  Tom  and  Steve  and  everyone  else  for  inviting  us  to  be  part  of  this  and  to  all  of  you  for  coming  today.    There  are  several  points  I  wanted  to  make  briefly  since  Alice  has  made  it  clear  to  us  that  we  should  be  brief  in  our  comments  but  several  points  that  I  wanted  to  make  in  the  course  of  this  talk,  one  is  that  it  really  is  essential  that  archaeologists  take  some  sort  of  formal  training  in  conservation  while  they’re  in  graduate  school  and  as  an  example  of  that,  or  as  proof  of  that,  I’m  going  to  show  some  episodes  from  my  own  life  as  an  archaeologist  so  this  will  have  a  quasi-­‐biographical  component  and  I  show  you  what  I  did  wrong  and  what  I  hope  I  did  right  in  the  course  of  the  last  25  years  of  being  an  archaeologist  primarily  digging  in  Turkey.    And  again  I’ve  given  my  conclusion  right  at  the  beginning.      It’s  essential  that  archaeologists  get  training  in  conservation  ideally  before  they  go  into  the  field  and  deal  with  monumental  sites.         I  have  had  the  good  fortune  to  deal  with  three  monumental  sites,  the  good  fortune  and  also  the  burden  of  dealing  with  three  monumental  sites  in  the  course  of  my  career,  Aphrodisias  as  a  graduate  student  and  Troy  and  Gordian  as  a  regular  professor  of  archaeology.    When  I  started  in  archaeology  as  a  graduate  student  at  Columbia,  it  wasn’t  that  Columbia  didn’t  have  courses  in  conservation,  Frank  Matero  was  teaching  then  I  think,  but  we  were  never  encouraged  to  take  those.    I  remember  one  of  my  professors,  Richard  Brilliant,  saying  you  can  figure  this  out  on  your  own.    And  most  of  the  other  archaeologists  with  whom  I  spoke  adopted  the  same  point  of  view.    You  can  figure  it  out  without  the  necessity  of  any  formal  training.    Some  of  them  even,  this  was  in  the  late  70’s,  some  of  them  even  made  a  point  about  gender.    This  is  something  that  more  women  do  than  men  and  let  me  just  say  look  at  the  gender  divide  in  this  room.    Nearly  all  of  you  in  the  audience  are  female  and  a  hefty  number  of  the  speakers  are  male  and  I’ll  leave  it  to  you  to  discuss  that  at  a  later  point,  but  as  a  result  of  this,  as  a  result  of  there  being  an  inclination  on  the  part  of  my  colleagues  not  to  do  any  training  in  archaeology,  we  were  clueless  for  a  good  bit  of  our  time  at  these  large  excavations.    So  if  I  show  you  a  slide  of  me  in  1980  which  would  cause  some  to  laugh,  when  I  got  to  the  site,  Kenan  Erim,  who  was  the  director  at  that  point  said  well  we  don’t  have  conservators,  there’s  really  no  need  to  have  conservators,  you’ll  figure  it  out.    So  he  gave  me  a  pack  of  dental  tools  and  said  here’s  another  stack  of  coins,  just  start  cleaning  

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them.    And  I  thought  is  this  the  way  it  works,  I  just  use  dental  tools  and  conserve  the  coins,  and  I  hate  to  think  how  many  coins  I’ve  destroyed  in  the  course  of  learning  how  to  clean  them.    And  obviously  this  isn’t  the  way  to  clean  them.    And  as  we  dug  the  Sebasteion  which  is  what  we  were  digging  in  the  early  80’s,  as  we  were  digging  down,  he  said  that  we  should  be  restoring  the  building,  do  any  kind  of  anastylosis  of  the  building  as  we  were  digging  down  so  even  before  we  got  to  the  floor  of  the  building,  the  base  of  the  building,  even  before  we  knew  what  we  had,  and  so  you  see  us  re-­‐erecting  one  of  the  drums  of  one  of  the  columns  of  Sebasteion,  you  see  Sebasteion  as  it  looks  now  after  a  very  well  appointed  anastylosis.    But  at  the  time,  we  did  a  lot  of  damage  to  the  Sebasteion,  virtually  everything  that  we  did  had  to  be  re-­‐done  again  when  the  decision  was  made  to  do  the  anastylosis.    And  Kenan,  the  director,  realized  this  and  said  well  I’m  going  to  send  you  all  off  to  Ephesus  where  they  know  what  they’re  doing  in  terms  of  architectural  conservation  and  restoration  and  you’ll  learn  from  them.    And  I  did  have  the  good  fortune  of  learning  from  Friedmund  Hueber  who  had  restored  the  library  of  Ephesus  and  at  that  time,  in  the  early  1980’s,  was  restoring  the  gate  of  Mazeus  and  Mithridates  at  Ephesus,  a  gateway  to  the  Agora  built  in  43  BC.    And  so  I  was  able  to  learn  something  about  the  Charter  of  Venice,  do’s  and  don’ts  in  architectural  conservation  through  the  kind  of  internship  that  I  had  at  Ephesus.    And  by  the  same  token,  when  Friedmund  Hueber  was  trying  to  decide  where  to  put  some  of  the  statue  bases,  this  was  something  that  I  had  done  a  lot  of  work  in  and  so  I  was  able  to  tell  him  from  an  archaeological  point  of  view  it  would  have  to  be  in  this  position,  it  could  be  technically  based  on  the  cuttings  in  either  this  position  or  this  position  but  you  should  conserve  it  here,  you  should  install  it  here  because  of  the  following  historical  arguments  and  archaeological  evidence.    And  so  it  was  clear  to  me  then  that  this  was  really  a  mutually  beneficial  system  where  archaeologists  should  really  be  learning  something  about  conservation  and  conservators  really  should  be  learning  something  about  archaeologists.    And  we  had  the  good  fortune  at  Ephesus  of  learning  from  the  mistakes  that  had  been  made  at  Ephesus  with  the  ghastly  concrete  reconstructions  of  the  Trajanic  nymphaeum  and  the  Monument  of  Memmius  from  the  late  first  century  BC.         And  then  it  was  time  for  me  to  go  to  Troy  and  as  I  began  as  an  archaeologist  at  the  University  of  Cincinnati  and  I  started  the  Troy  project  with  Manfred  Korfmann  in  1988,  and  this  was  a  multi-­‐period  site,  very  different  from  anything  I  had  faced  in  Aphrodisias  and  Ephesus  and  I  had  never  dealt  with  monumental  mud  brick  before  nor  with  this  very  soft  stone  called  marl  of  which  we  had  an  enormous  amount.    And  so  finally  I  just  brought  someone  from  Ephesus  to  the  site  and  said  I  don’t  know  how  to  deal  with  it  and  he  was  really  my  only  link  to  architectural  conservation  at  that  point.    And  gradually  we  were  able  to  develop  a  system  that  I  like  to  think  succeeded  in  protecting  these  very  soft  stone  walls.    What  we  didn’t  know  how  to  do  was  protect  monumental  mud  brick  structures  and  in  the  end  we  did  simply  what  I  knew  they  had  done  at  the  Zigarot  of  Ur,  facing  the  ancient  structure  with  modern  mud  brick  but  we  had  object  conservators  at  that  point  at  Troy,  we  

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didn’t  have  architectural  conservators  so  our  object  conservator,  Donna  Strahan,  made  a  phone  call  to  Frank  Matero  as  I  recall  at  that  time  in  the  late  90’s  and  we  developed  this  system  for  protecting  mud  brick.    But  at  the  time  I  realized  that  I  needed  to  do  something  more  substantial  to  learn  how  to  protect  these  things.    And  there  were  a  lot  of  mistakes  that  we  made  when  my  colleague,  Manfred  Korfmann,  would  overrule  the  architectural  conservators  who  ultimately  did  come  to  the  site.    The  restoration  of  this  cave,  which  some  would  call  the  destruction  of  the  cave,  excavated  by  Schliemann  and  probably  dating  to  the  late  Bronze  Age  is  a  case  in  point.    At  Gordian  where  I  work  now,  and  I  work  with  Frank  Matero  so  I  have  training  on  the  ground  all  the  time,  one  of  the  things  that  we  have  to  do  frequently,  any  of  us  who  work  in  Turkey,  is  go  to  the  Ministry  of  Culture  and  Tourism  and  explain  what  we’re  doing  in  conservation  because  they  now  want  us  to  devote  80,  90,  95%,  99%  of  our  time  to  conservation  activities.    There’s  a  new  trend  in  Turkey  among  the  officials  in  the  Ministry  of  Culture  and  Tourism  for  us  not  to  dig  at  all  or  if  we  have  to  dig,  to  only  dig  in  trenches  that  have  already  been  opened,  not  to  open  any  new  areas  until  we’ve  conserved  everything  that  had  been  left  exposed  by  our  predecessors.    And  I  find  that  I  have  a  team  of  wonderful  architectural  conservators  but  there  are  times  when  I’m  on  my  own.    I  have  to  go  to  the  Ministry  and  they  say  what  precisely  are  you  doing  to  protect  the  mud  brick  walls  of  the  terrace  buildings,  the  industrial  corridor  of  Gordian  in  the  9th  century  BC  or  how  are  you  conserving  the  world’s  oldest  polychromatic  pebble  mosaics  and  I  have  to  know  the  strategy,  I  have  to  know  something  about  the  actual  tools,  techniques,  materials  that  we’re  using  in  order  to  make  it  through  that  meeting.    So,  as  I  say,  I’ve  learned  on  the  job  over  a  very  long  time  but  it’s  not  an  adequate  system.    What  we  really  need  is  some  sort  of  intensive  summer  training  program  for  archaeologists  in  conservation.    And  there  are  such  special  skills  courses  that  have  been  started  at  the  American  Academy  in  Rome  in  the  summer,  architectural  documentation,  we  really  need  one  on  conservation  because  you  don’t  really  have  time  to  do  it  in  the  course  of  your  graduate  training.    You’re  learning  Greek,  Latin,  French,  German  or  at  least  you’re  perfecting  them  as  well  as  taking  courses  that  will  lead  you  into  your  dissertation  so  you  don’t  have  a  lot  of  time  to  do  architectural  conservation.    Doing  something  intensive  in  the  summer,  the  way  some  people  do  intensive  Latin  or  Greek  summer  workshops,  is  really  I  think  the  way  to  go.    And  so  I’ll  end  my  comments  there  since  I’m  close  to  10  minutes.         ALICE  BOCCIA  PATERAKIS:    Our  next  speaker  is  Frank  Matero.    The  title  of  his  talk  is  “All  Things  Useful  and  Ornamental,  Praxis-­‐Based  Training  for  Archaeological  Site  Conservation”.         FRANK  MATERO:  It  was  accidental  actually  that  the  order  of  today  was  Brian  first  and  me  second.    You’ll  be  happy  to  know  I  won’t  be  showing  you  many  images  of  Gordian.    And  I  suspect  we’ll  all  actually  be  taking  very  different  tacks  this  afternoon  in  terms  of  interpreting  what  the  panel  has  put  before  us.    The  title  of  my  talk  may  sound  a  bit  strange.    I  don’t  think  there’s  anything  one  can  do  at  the  University  of  Pennsylvania  not  referenced  

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back  to  Benjamin  Franklin.    And  the  quote  comes  actually  from  his  proposals  relating  to  the  education  of  youth  in  Pennsylvania  written  in  1749.    And  in  that  discussion  about  what  was  the  requisite  body  of  knowledge  for  young  scholars,  he  wrote  that  art  is  long  and  time  is  short  and  of  course  this  audience  knows  that  he  did  not  invent  it,  it  actually  comes  from  Hippocrates  in  terms  of  this  description  of  the  training  necessary  for  a  medical  professional.    But  the  point  is  well  taken  particularly  when  I  think  about  what’s  required  for  conservation  and  particularly  conservation  of  archaeological  sites.    He  wrote,  “we  must  learn  all  things  useful  and  ornamental”  and  as  a  teacher  for  me  that  means  core  and  elective.    And  so  Brian  actually,  the  point  he  ended  on  I  think  is  a  very  important  one  because  the  question  I  think  before  us  today  will  be  is  it  an  elective  that  one  takes  after  one’s  primary  education  or  is  it  something  that’s  embedded  within?    I  think  the  results  are  different  in  terms  of  how  you  apply  it.         So  I’m  going  to  begin,  we’ve  been  asked  to  address  three  points  and  I’ll  get  to  those  in  a  minute,  but  I  wanted  to  come  clean  on  my  assumptions  when  I  entered  the  room  today.    And  the  first  one  is  a  conservation  program  for  site  and  finds  is  a  non-­‐negotiable  fundamental  requirement  for  any  excavation.    And  I  hope  that  some  of  these  will  provide  us  with  a  good  opportunity  for  conversation  later.    The  second  assumption  I  come  here  with  is  that  project  leadership  is  shared  through  co-­‐direction  in  archaeology  and  conservation.    I  think  you  cannot  have  it  any  other  way.    I  think  conservation  becomes  subservient,  that’s  the  model  currently  in  many  places.    I  don’t  think  that  should  be  the  case.    They  are  separate  bodies  of  knowledge,  they  are  separate  responsibilities.    And  of  course,  as  many  of  you  know,  conservation  is  now  a  requirement  at  least  on  paper  for  many  countries.    Thirdly,  that  conjoined  research  and  training  are  required  components  of  any  site  based  project.    That  absolutely  has  to  be  embedded  in  a  conservation  plan  and  in  any  site  work.    And  fourthly,  both  academic  and  legal  changes  are  necessary  to  affect  professional  change.    This  is  probably  the  most  important,  that’s  why  we’re  here,  and  I’m  afraid  it  is  the  most  serious  and  difficult  of  the  four  assumptions  I  have.         So  the  issues  that  we  were  asked  to  reflect  on  were  the  following:  The  current  state  of  interdisciplinary  studies  at  our  institution  in  terms  of  archaeology  and  conservation,  the  recommendations  for  university  training  that  we  would  make  in  this  area,  and  what  is  that  requisite  body  of  knowledge  that  is  required  for  such  a  program  or  a  course?      

So  let  me,  if  you  can  remember  those,  let  me  turn  to  the  first,  the  current  state  of  interdisciplinary  studies  between  archaeology  and  conservation.    Since  1991,  actually  my  arrival  at  Penn,  I  offered  the  first  course  there  on  archaeological  site  conservation.    It  was  a  semester  long  14  weeks  and  it  was  really  run  as  what  we  call  a  studio  seminar.    The  first  half  of  the  course  were  readings,  discussions  on  topics  you  can  imagine,  we’ll  get  to  those  later,  and  then  the  second  half  turned  into  a  studio.    A  studio  for  those  of  you  who  don’t  know  is  a  design  school  pedagogy.    It  is  a  common  problem  that  everyone  participates  in.    They  share  knowledge  but  they  also  do  their  independent  work  and  it  is  focused  on  a  

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problem.    That  problem  in  our  case  is  a  site.    Sometimes  the  site  was  distant,  we  could  not  visit  like  Teawenoku  or  Gordian,  that’s  how  Gordian  actually  started  sometimes  and  now  more  currently  it  is  a  site  that  we  go  to  and  the  one  that  we  have  been  going  to  most  often  because  of  it’s  long  traditions  and  history  and  ease  of  access  is  Mesa  Verde  here  in  the  United  States.      

In  1995,  I  then  took  the  course  and  developed  a  field  based  summer  program,  we  started  that  at  Catalhoyuk,  you  see  an  image  here  from  1995,  Cassie  Meyers,  myself,  and  Turkish  and  English  and  American  students  that  were  working  at  the  time.    And  then  brought  it  also  to  Gordian  in  2005  where  we  have  been  ever  since,  where  we  have  completely  brought  this  now  into  both  the  academic  year  as  well  as  a  summer  program.    Most  recently,  in  2010,  realizing  the  necessity  to  provide  some  kind  of  opportunity  for  practicing  professional  archaeologists  and  conservators  through  generous  funding  that  the  Penn  museum  received  and  the  School  of  Design,  we  have  been  able  to  offer  a  four-­‐week  intensive  summer  course  again  based  at  Mesa  Verde  because  of  the  English  language  and  the  ease  of  access  and  also  the  100+  years  of  experience  in  terms  of  physical  on  the  ground  conservation,  site  management,  issues  of  indigenous  populations  and  stakeholder,  it’s  really  a  perfect  site  to  do  this.    We  have  had  students  from  Peru,  from  Colombia,  from  Cambodia  and  these  are  the  interns  from  last  year,  we  went  through  again  an  intensive  four-­‐week  course.    This  year  we  will  be  able  to  augment  that  then  with  the  ability  for  these  interns  to  go  on  then  to  their  respective  home  sites  where  they  can  then  work  with  a  conservator  taking  what  they’ve  learned  and  apply  them  under  the  aegis  of  a  project  director  and  a  conservation  team.    So  that’s  where  we  are  in  terms  of  the  current  state  of  interdisciplinary  studies.      

In  terms  of  recommendations  for  university  training,  I  have  just  one  image  for  this.    My  belief  is  that  it  should  be  required  for  all  PhD  archaeology  students,  anthropology  students.    These  are  the  future  project  directors.    If  we  don’t  start  there,  I  think  we’re  not  going  to  be  able  to  achieve  our  goals.    And  so  this  year  for  the  first  time,  I  literally  just  finished  the  course  a  week  ago,  two  weeks  ago  at  Penn,  we  had  five  PhD  archaeology  students  from  a  variety  of  programs  at  Penn  and  six  conservation  specialists,  my  students.    This  was  really  a  first,  an  almost  even  distribution  of  interests,  skills,  expertise,  knowledge  and  again  we  brought  them  to  a  site  in  the  last  five  weeks  of  the  course  preceded  by  I  think  some  very  interesting  conversations.    This  is  how  we  change  practice.    We  change  it  in  the  classroom  while  these  students  are  learning  to  be  professionals.    I  think  that  really  is  one  of  the  best  ways,  not  the  only  way  certainly.    What  Tom  has  been  doing  at  the  GCI,  I  think  we  have  to  be  clear  on  who  is  responsible  for  what.    Are  we  training  critical  thinkers?    Are  we  training  technicians,  volunteers,  students,  professionals?    We  have  to  be  clear.    We  have  to  know  that  audience.    And  I’ll  lastly  end  on  the  third  question,  which  is  what  is  the  critical  conservation  knowledge?    My  experience  has  been  conservation,  as  a  general  rubric  needs  to  be  taught  in  terms  of  a  four-­‐field  approach  or  a  four-­‐content  approach:  History,  theory,  

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technology,  and  praxis.    And  the  diagram  clearly  illustrates  it  is  the  core  that  is  the  sweet  spot,  that  is  where  it  all  comes  together  and  I  think  in  terms  of  what  we’re  discussing  today  it  is  appropriate.      

I’m  just  going  to  end  with  ultimately  what  we’re  driving  for  is  a  conservation  plan.    We  use  the  words  conservation  and  management  plan,  but  they  mean  different  things  to  different  people  and  they  involve  a  fairly  large  number  of  individuals.    And  so  you  see  something  like  this  for  Gordian  which  was  begun  in  2005,  this  was  just  getting  ideas  out  on  the  table,  meets  everything  from  all  the  primary  components  to  who  are  the  communities,  what  are  the  major  issues,  issues  of  economics,  of  development,  and  the  question  that  rightly  is  asked  by  many  project  directors  is  why  is  this  my  responsibility?    How  far  do  we  have  to  take  this  in  terms  of  our  obligations  ethical  and  moral?    So  what  does  that  look  like  on  the  ground,  this  is  what  it  looks  like  on  the  ground  at  Gordian.    We  literally  have  had  to  put  on  the  map  the  phased  plan  over  time  with  all  the  necessary  on  the  ground  operations.    The  question  is  who  does  what?    We’ve  got  trained  conservators,  we’ve  got  trainees  who  are  largely  Turkish  laborers,  we’ve  got  students,  we’ve  got  archaeologists.    Who  does  what?    This  is  key  to  know  and  understand.      

My  last  comment  has  to  do  with  what  I’m  most  interested  in  now,  this  is  what  happens  when  you  get  bored  with  the  technology,  which  is  interpretation  and  display.    It  is  really  the  hybrid  child  of  what  we’re  talking  about  today.    I  believe  archaeologists  write  the  narration.    They  are  the  ones  who  should  script  the  site.    But  it  is  often  the  conservator  with  other  allied  professionals  who  know  the  language  of  that  narration  and  so  here  Brian  and  I,  Brian  wrote  the  text,  we  literally  on  the  ground  decided  where  that  text,  where  that  story  should  be  told  but  I  would  say  that  in  a  case  of  Gordian  and  many  sites,  it  is  actually  left  to  those  who  deal  with  environment,  architects,  engineers,  conservators  to  a  certain  degree  if  we’re  talking  about  sites,  just  the  way  they  do  for  objects  in  a  museum,  the  interpretation  on  the  ground  is  really  a  function  of  design.    How  to  make  the  most  out  of  the  site  to  tell  the  story  that  needs  to  be  told.    Not  with  the  language  of  the  museum  I  have  to  say.    So  with  that,  I’ll  end  it  there.      

ABP:  Our  next  speaker  is  John  Papadopoulos.    The  title  of  his  talk  is  “Archaeology  and  Conservation,  A  Three  Pronged  Approach”.      

JOHN  PAPADOPOULOS:  I  wish  to  present  a  four  pronged  approach,  focusing  on  three  primary  issues  and  throwing  in  a  fourth:  that  is  conservation  in  the  field,  conservation  in  the  lab,  particularly  in  countries  where  something  as  basic  as  electricity  can  be  a  tough  thing.    Typically  in  Albania,  which  is  the  project  that  I’m  going  to  be  focusing  on,  the  electricity  would  stop  at  10  AM  and  would  restart  at  about  8  PM.      And  also  conservation  at  the  site  at  the  conclusion  of  excavations.    And  also  the  publication,  and  this  I  think  is  the  most  important  thing,  that  we’ve  actually  in  our  recently  published  volume  (J.K.  Papadopoulos,  et  al.  The  Excavations  of  the  Prehistoric  Burial  Tumulus  at  Lofkënd,  Albania,  Los  Angeles  2014)  on  the  excavations  at  Lofkënd  in  Albania,  the  conservator  is  

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actually  responsible  for  four  chapters  including  the  chapter  on  the  conservation  (Vanessa  Muros:  Chapters  5,  11,  12,  and  contributed  to  Chapter  10).    At  Albania,  the  location  of  the  site,  I  can  go  through  fairly  quickly.    This  is  the  mound,  and  this  is  taken  from  about  2  kilometers  away,  and  I  showed  this  view  simply  because  of  the  monumentality  of  the  place.    You  can  see  this  mound  from  kilometers  away  and  one  of  the  things  from  the  very  beginning  of  the  project  my  co-­‐director  and  I  did  not  want  to  eradicate  this  monument  from  the  landscape.    So  we  actually  had  budgeted  from  the  very  beginning  to  reconstruct  it  at  the  end  of  excavations.    This  is  a  land  of  mounds,  the  nearest  mound  a  burial  trimulus  that  had  been  excavated  was  at  Patos  in  1976.    This  mound  no  longer  exists  and,  in  fact,  the  site  where  it  was  based  is  now  completely  covered  over  by  modern  houses.      

Here’s  a  view  of  the  site.    It’s  a  little  bit  like  Sylvester  Stallone.    Now  I  come  from  Los  Angeles  and  I  was  in  a  restaurant  and  Sly  was  sitting  at  a  table  behind  me  and  from  the  back  the  guy  had  like  a  head,  no  neck,  and  vast  shoulders.    And  it  was  one  of  those  serendipitous  moments,  we  both  got  up  at  the  same  time  and  this  humongous  human  being  came  up  to  here  (i.e.,  barely  reaching  my  chest!).    I’m  not  exaggerating.    I  said  you  can  go  to  the  toilet  before  I  do!    So  the  site  is  a  little  bit  like  Sylvester  Stallone.    It  looks  big  from  afar  but  it’s  actually  really  small.    It  was  a  very  controlled  excavation.    We  divided  the  tumulus  into  four  sectors,  putting  an  Albanian  and  a  UCLA  grad  student  in  each  sector  and  let  them  dig  their  own  grave.    And  to  some  of  the  finds  very  quickly.    It’s  a  real  palimpsest  of  tombs  and  you  can  see  one  tomb  here  cutting  through  this  and  in  the  end  there  were  100  tombs,  156  individuals.    And  this  gives  you  a  picture  of  how  complex  the  arrangement  of  the  burials  were.      

From  the  very  beginning,  the  protocols  in  excavations  we  had  established,  in  addition  to  normal  excavation  protocols,  the  use  of  digging  graves  only  with  wooden  tools,  and  that  is  to  minimize  damage  to  the  actual  human  remains.    There  were  always  three  conservators  and  a  lot  of  the  conservation  was  done  in  the  field  particularly  in  terms  of  block  lifting  fragile  things  and  here  you  see  a  bronze  diadem  being  lifted  and  here  is  one  of  those  bronze  diadems.      

As  far  as  the  lab  was  concerned,  our  facilities  were  pretty  nice.    We  actually  stayed  about  26  kilometers  away  from  the  site.    This  is  the  dig  house  built  by  the  Albanian  and  French  colleagues.    It’s  based  at  the  archaeological  park  of  Apollonia  and  we  also  had  access  to  some  rooms  in  an  old  11th  century  Greek  Orthodox  monastery  which  you  also  see  here.      

Vanessa  Muros,  our  head  conservator,  was  instrumental  to  the  project.    She  is  one  of  the  conservators  at  the  UCLA  Getty  Conservation  program  at  UCLA  and  she  was  a  part  of  the  project  from  the  very  beginning.    In  addition  to  penning  the  sections  on  the  conservation  techniques,  she  also  did  analyses  of  glass,  glass  paste  and  other  small  finds.    And  one  of  the  things  we  were  particularly  proud  of  was  the  training  of  students.    We  always  had  two  students  accompanying  Vanessa  and  we  also  trained  (Alma  Bardho),  an  Albanian  scientist  who  is  now  the  chief  archaeological  conservator  in  their  country.    And  

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this  is  one  of  the  block-­‐lifted  finds.    Vanessa  Muros  as  conservator  also  did  a  study  of  the  textile  pseudomorphs  and  this  was  yet  another  chapter  and  together  with  David  Scott  did  a  metallographic  analysis  of  the  metal  finds  storage.    Now  this  was  really  tough  and  the  storage  facilities  we  were  given  were  very  poor.    There  was  very  little  in  terms  of  humidity  control,  and  the  idea  was  to  store  the  material  for  about  2-­‐3  years  and  then  move  it  all  to  the  safety  as  it  were  of  the  Institute  of  Archaeology  in  Tirana  (the  capital  of  Albania)  to  a  more  sort  of  museum  context.    So  it  involved  all  sorts  of  packings,  I  won’t  get  into  details  and  Vanessa  is  really  the  person  who  should  talk  about  these  but  we  also  encased  a  lot  of  metal  objects  in  vacuum  sealed  packs.      

The  final  thing  I  want  to  discuss  is  how  we  reconstructed  the  tumulus  at  the  end.      Now  during  the  excavations,  we  kept  the  baulks  in  place.    So  at  the  end  of  every  summer,  we  would  back  fill,  we  would  come  back  the  next  year  and  it  would  be  a  mound  and  we  would  just  take  out  the  back  fill  and  start  again.    And  this  was  a  very  good  idea  because  it  preserved  the  finds,  it  avoided  looting  and  so  on  and  so  forth.    But  what  happens  when  you  take  away  the  baulks?    Well  the  beauty  was  that  we  had  a  fully  digital  plan  and  a  three  dimensional  model  of  the  site  and  here  again  I  want  to  draw  attention  to  its  monumentality,  its  visibility.    And  so  we  looked  at  various  alternatives,  and  I  got  advice  from  a  number  of  conservation  specialists,  and  they  were  all  very  expensive,  very  elaborate  reconstructions  that  just  didn’t  seem  to  make  sense  in  the  context  of  Albania.    Now  just  even  getting  a  jeep  up  to  the  site  was  challenging.    So  what  did  we  do?    Well  we  had  an  idea.    Why  don’t  we  use  the  actual  matrix  of  the  tumulus  and  so  I  asked  the  local  workman  if  there’s  an  old  guy  in  the  village  that  can  make  mud  bricks.    And  they  said:  we  all  can.    So  the  young  men  here,  there  is  no  water  on  the  site,  were  bringing  up  water,  the  older  men  were  treading  and  we  made  2,000  mud  bricks  of  the  soil  from  the  matrix  of  the  tumulus  and  here  are  some  more  photographs  of  the  making.    And  this  was  published  in  Antiquity  Magazine  so  you  can  go  and  read  it.    And  we  reconstructed  the  baulks  and  so  we  left  the  tumulus  as  it  was  and  here  it  is  one  year  after  its  reconstruction.      

ABP:  Our  next  speaker  is  Ioanna  Kakoulli  and  her  title  is  “Frontier  Conservation  Education,  Excellence,  Innovation,  and  Leadership”.      

IOANNA  KAKOULLI:    Good  afternoon  everybody.    I’m  truly  delighted  to  be  part  of  this  panel  and  I  would  like  to  take  this  opportunity  to  thank  the  organizers  for  this  invitation.    As  we  all  know,  although  conservation  is  an  ancient  practice,  it  has  only  entered  the  academic  world  with  the  establishment  of  professional  and  degree  programs  in  various  countries,  including  North  America.    While  a  decade  or  two  ago  the  two  disciplines  of  archaeology  and  conservation  might  have  been  relatively  distant  from  each  other,  in  the  more  recent  years,  there  is  more  integration  between  the  two.    This  relation,  however,  differs  from  country  to  country  and  even  between  regions.    However,  even  with  the  progress  that  been  made  to  date,  archaeology  and  conservation  as  distinctive  disciplines  echo  a  little  bit  the  concept  of  the  two  cultures  introduced  by  CP  Snow  in  ’59  pointing  to  the  

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lack  of  understanding  that  exists  between  the  scientists  and  he  meant  more  the  physical  scientists  and  then  non  scientists.    In  the  particular  case  of  archaeology  and  conservation,  the  issue  underlies  between  different  foci.    On  one  hand,  the  purely  theoretical  research  that  characterizes  archaeology  and  on  the  other  hand,  the  object  based  inspired  technical  research  and  practice  that  is  typical  to  conservation.    But  can  conservation  ultimately  be  the  link  that  brings  more  disparate  disciplines  together?      

Now,  I  would  briefly  like  to  turn  our  attention  to  academic  curricula  and  discuss  our  program  at  UCLA.    At  UCLA,  we  are  perhaps  in  a  quite  unique  situation  where  both  the  conservation  and  archaeology  programs  are  housed  within  the  Cotsen  Institute  of  Archaeology  and  they  are  very  closely  linked  to  its  activities.    The  two  programs  have  common  core  faculty  and  offer  courses  that  are  opened  to  both  cohort  of  students.  Beyond  the  formal  courses  taught  on  campus  and  in  summer  field  schools,  the  programs  encourage  and  provide  support,  financial  and  other,  to  graduate  students  from  both  programs  to  work  together  in  research  projects  and  in  field  activities  promoting  awareness  of  the  importance  to  cultivate  an  appreciation  of  each  other’s  discipline  and  to  understand  the  benefits  of  such  “marriage”.      

Due  to  the  focus  of  the  UCLA  Getty  Conservation  Program  on  archaeological  and  ethnographic  materials,  the  majority  of  the  students  entering  the  graduate  program  come  from  an  archaeological  or  anthropological  background  and  therefore  have  quite  a  strong  knowledge  of  archaeological  principles  and  theories.    However,  to  make  sure  that  all  students  are  at  the  same  level  and  that  they  also  have  the  science  foundations  necessary  to  become  conservators,  the  program  enforces  strict  criteria  for  admission.    Students  with  an  archaeological  background  need  to  have  a  year  worth  of  two  chemistry  courses  (organic  and  inorganic)  and  scientists  need  to  have  a  year  of  archaeology  and  a  year  of  anthropology  amongst  some  other  criteria  of  language  and  pre  program  conservation  work  experience.                    

Our  vision  to  conservation  education  follows  an  iterative  approach  and  we  are  committed  to  provide  excellence  through  a  variety  of  teaching  and  learning  modes  to  enhance  comprehension,  creative  thinking  and  leadership  among  our  students.    For  the  graduate  degree  at  the  UCLA/Getty  Conservation  Program,  students  have  to  complete  a  very  rigorous  taught  coursework  of  106  units  within  two  years  consisting  of  courses  in  applied  science,  conservation,  ethnography,  archaeology,  and  documentation.    They  also  need  to  complete  an  MA  thesis  and  an  eleven-­‐month  long  internship  that  should  combine  museum  and  field  activities  as  well  as  research.      

Our  courses  that  are  also  open  to  archaeology  and  anthropology  students  offer  a  variety  of  experiences  to  students  introducing  them  to  important  conservation  concepts  in  the  field.    Here  we  see  two  examples  both  of  which  have  used  experimental  simulations  in  teaching.    The  one  on  the  left  mainly  designed  for  the  conservation  student  aimed  to  teach  them  how  to  record  and  how  to  excavate  archaeological  materials    -­‐  Actually  this  work  was  done  at  the  backyard  of  the  Getty  Villa.    The  exercise  was  led  by  archaeologists  and  

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archaeology  students.    The  images  on  the  right  show  the  training  of  both  conservation  and  archaeology  students  in  triage  conservation  procedures.    Here  we  see  examples  of  block-­‐lifting  in  the  field.    The  class  also  tackled  aspects  of  looting,  conflict  and  disaster  mitigation  and  how  students  in  conservation  and  archaeology  can  offer  expert  training  to  other  professionals,  military  and  humanitarian  groups  to  assist  with  archaeological  preservation  in  emergency  situations.    These  are  two  more  slides  of  the  block-­‐lifting  exercise  showing  materials  and  techniques  in  the  field  as  well  as  in  the  lab.    Again  these  are  the  simulations  that  we  have  done  at  the  Getty  Villa.          

Through  our  internship  program,  conservation  students  are  exposed  to  work  side  by  side  with  archaeologists  and  archaeology  students,  thus  enriching  their  knowledge  on  the  tangible  and  intangible  values  of  material  culture.    On  the  left,  we  see  extreme  conservation  where  students  repelled  by  ropes  are  rescuing  mummified  human  remains  from  a  cliff  in  Chile  -­‐  that  was  a  project  that  I  was  co-­‐directing  up  to  2008.  The  top  right  image  shows  our  students  working  side  by  side  with  archaeologists  from  the  LA  County  Parks  and  Recreation  to  record  rock  art  at  the  Vasquez  Rocks  Park  using  special  imaging  techniques,  enhancing  the  features  of  the  pictoglyths  and  the  petroglyths.    The  image  at  the  bottom  right,  shows  one  of  our  students  at  the  UPenn  Museum  of  Archaeology  working  on  an  Egyptian  funerary  mask.        

The  involvement  of  students  both  from  the  archaeology  and  the  conservation  programs  in  professors’  research  groups  help  develop  collaborative  activities  not  only  among  them  but  also  with  the  broader  student  body  and  academics  at  the  university.    In  my  group,  for  example,  students  apply  innovative  research  to  analyze  archaeological  materials  within  three  scientific  pursuits:  archaeometry,  conservation  science,  and  forensics  in  art  and  archaeology.    In  these  images  here,  you  see  a  conservation  student  examining  with  forensic  lights  the  Orpheus  sculptures  at  the  Getty  Villa  and  at  the  bottom  images,  a  Sicilian  disk  with  the  Head  of  Medusa  dated  to  200  BC.  The  illumination  of  objects  under  different  lighting  conditions  can  reveal  important  features  of  interest  to  conservators  and  archaeologists  alike.      

In  this  short  presentation,  I  wanted  to  give  you  an  overview  of  our  program  and  how  we  attempt  to  fulfill  the  need  to  educate  the  next  generation  of  archaeological  conservation  professionals.    I  look  forward  to  our  discussions  that  will  follow  as  to  how  we  can  better  integrate  conservation  and  archaeology  in  academic  curricula,  how  we  can  better  educate  students  at  the  interface  of  modern  concepts  of  conservation  and  scientific  archaeology  in  an  attempt  to  understand  and  preserve  evidence  of  past  human  life.      

ABP:  Our  next  speaker  will  be  Christopher  Ratté,  who  will  be  talking  about  site  conservation  in  Turkey.      

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CHRISTOPHER  RATTÉ:  Thank  you  very  much  ladies  and  gentleman.    I’m  going  to  overlap  a  little  bit  here  with  Brian.    I  don’t  think  we’ll  be  repeating  each  other,  and  the  differences  are  interesting.  I’m  going  to  talk  about  site  conservation  at  two  ancient  cities  in  Turkey,  Aphrodisias  in  the  Meander  River  Basin  and  then  Notion  on  the  Aegean  Coast.    Aphrodisias  was  founded  in  the  Hellenistic  period  and  occupied  through  late  antiquity.    It’s  named  after  the  patron  goddess  Aphrodite,  and  the  local  center  of  that  goddess  was  its  major  claim  to  fame.    It  was  never  a  large  city.    It  had  a  population  of  about  15,000  at  most,  but  it  was  an  agricultural  and  administrative  center  and  its  very  remoteness  from  strategic  and  more  important  places  left  it  unusually  well  preserved.      

Very  substantial  excavations  in  which  Brian  participated  focused  on  the  monumental  civic  and  sacred  buildings  of  the  center  of  town  and  were  carried  out  under  the  direction  of  the  Turkish  American  archaeologist,  Kenan  Erim,  from  1961  to  1990.    I  supervised  a  new  program  of  field  research  from  1993-­‐2005  with  the  aims  of  studying  and  conserving  the  buildings  excavated  by  Erim.    As  far  as  site  conservation  is  concerned,  this  meant  two  things,  one  positive,  one  negative.    On  the  positive  side,  it  meant  capping  exposed  walls,  repairing  marble  structures,  and  redesigning  circulation  through  the  site  so  as  to  make  the  excavated  monuments  more  accessible  to  tourists  while  at  the  same  time  protecting  them  from  deterioration.    On  the  negative  side,  it  meant  resisting  pressure  from  the  Turkish  authorities  and  others  to  carry  out  new  large-­‐scale  excavations  and  to  undertake  large-­‐scale  reconstruction  projects.    The  map  on  the  left  shows  the  system  of  tourist  paths  we  created  at  Aphrodisias  in  the  late  1990’s  and  the  early  2000’s.    Those  of  you  who  visited  Aphrodisias  before  this  time  know  that  in  spite  of  the  site’s  extraordinary  preservation,  access  to  the  ancient  monuments  was  in  fact  very  limited.    You  could  walk  around  the  restored  gateway  to  the  Sanctuary  of  Aphrodite,  but  the  actual  Temple  of  Aphrodite  was  off  limits.    You  could  look  down  on  the  Agora,  but  you  could  not  walk  through  it.    The  reason  these  places  were  closed  off  was  simply  that  there  were  no  safe  pathways  through  them:  no  pathways  that  were  both  safe  for  the  monuments  and  safe  for  the  visitors.    Monuments  needed  basic  conservation;  crumbling  walls  needed  to  be  capped;  unstable  elements  needed  to  be  stabilized;  portable  objects  such  as  small  architectural  fragments  needed  to  be  picked  up  and  stored  away  for  safe  keeping;  and  we  needed  to  build  stairways  down  into  the  excavations,  fences  around  the  edges  of  deep  trenches,  and  clearly  sign  posted  walkways  to  prevent  visitors  from  getting  lost  and  confused  -­‐-­‐  and  I  certainly  agree  with  Frank  that  the  community  that  was  best  suited  to  mediate  between  the  archaeologists  on  one  hand  and  visitors  on  the  other  were  the  architects  and  the  artists  involved.      

So  to  repeat,  at  Aphrodisias  I  wanted  to  avoid  large-­‐scale  excavation  and  reconstruction,  because  I  did  not  think  that  we  should  be  designing  our  approach  to  site  presentation  or  to  basic  research  in  order  to  satisfy  what  we  thought  were  the  expectations,  or  what  the  Turkish  authorities  thought  were  the  expectations,  of  visitors.    

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We  didn’t  want  to  be  saying,  in  other  words,  that  this  is  what  the  public  thinks  archaeology  is,  so  that’s  what  they’re  going  to  get.    On  the  contrary,  we  wanted  to  inform  visitors  about  what  archaeology  really  is  and  does.    We  wanted  to  offer  the  casual  visitor  the  opportunity  to  explore  the  site  in  the  same  way  that  those  of  us  who  work  there  could,  to  wander  around  the  ancient  buildings,  to  explore  the  ancient  open  spaces.    We  wanted  to  help  a  visitor  through  signs  and  explanatory  panels  to  imagine  in  the  same  way  as  archaeologists  what  these  places  looked  and  felt  like  in  antiquity.    And  we  had  the  luxury  of  working  with  a  site  that  had  already  been  extensively  excavated  and  conserved.      

So  now  on  to  Notion.    Notion  is  a  largely  unexcavated  site  where  Felipe  Rojas  of  Brown  University  and  I  are  hoping  to  start  a  new  archaeological  project  next  summer.    Here  in  contrast  to  Aphrodisias  we  are  embracing  reconstruction  and  development  as  essential  to  the  protection  of  this  site,  and  we  are  making  the  production  of  a  site  management  plan  one  of  the  first  things  we  do,  rather  than  something  that  we  turn  to  once  we  finish  digging.    Notion  was  occupied  from  the  early  first  millennium  BC  until  the  Middle  Ages,  and  it  played  an  important  role  in  the  history  of  the  surrounding  region  in  all  periods  from  the  Ionian  migration  to  the  fall  of  the  Roman  Empire;  so  it’s  a  great  laboratory  for  the  study  of  the  Greco  Roman  city  over  the  long  term  in  Anatolia.    Unfortunately,  it’s  also  subject  to  occasional  illicit  excavation,  and  the  coast  both  east  and  west  of  the  site  is  frequented  by  smugglers.    The  first  objective  of  a  site  management  plan  is  to  secure  the  preservation  of  the  site,  but  we  also  hope  that  it  will  pave  the  way  for  responsible  development  of  its  touristic  potential  in  connection  with  the  attractive  harbors  on  both  sides  of  the  city.    The  site  occupies  these  two  peninsulas  here  going  back  more  or  less  to  this  point.    This  is  a  harbor  with  a  very  popular  beach  to  the  west,  and  here  to  the  east  is  a  much  smaller  cove,  which  is  frequented  by  pleasure  boats  that  come  up  the  coast  from  Ephesus.      

We’re  going  to  develop  this  site  management  plan  in  close  consultation  with  the  local  community  and  local  authorities  including  the  Jandarma  (that  is,  the  state  police  who  are  responsible  for  public  security  in  rural  areas  that  don’t  have  their  own  police  forces)  and  the  Izmir  Museum,  which  has  ultimate  authority  for  the  site.    And  it  will  have  the  following  major  foci:  security,  conservation,  access  to  the  site,  development  of  signage  and  tourist  paths  and  landscaping,  and  feasibility  studies  for  the  restoration  of  the  theatre  and  other  major  monuments.  -­‐-­‐  let  me  go  to  the  next  slide,  which  is  a  view  looking  from  the  site  over  the  river  that  divides  the  site  from  the  beach;  one  of  our  projects  is  to  bridge  this  river  and  bring  visitors  to  the  site  from  the  beach;  and  here  is  a  view  that  shows  one  of  the  few  monuments  that  has  been  partially  excavated,  the  Bouleuterion  and  then  in  the  background  the  theater.    It  has  to  be  admitted  that  reconstruction  of  the  theater  is  not  really  likely  to  add  hugely  to  our  knowledge  of  Greek  and  Roman  architecture.    It’s  the  kind  of  project  I  would  have  resisted  at  Aphrodisias,  but  I’m  embracing  it  here  because  it’s  essential  to  provide  the  site  with  a  kind  of  a  signature  monument,  in  order  to  develop  local  interest,  to  

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develop  a  local  sense  of  ownership  of  the  site,  and  to  develop  its  touristic  potential,  and  that  I  think  is  crucial  to  the  long-­‐term  preservation  of  this  site.      

ABP:  Our  next  speaker,  Kent  Severson,  the  title  of  this  talk  is  “A  Short  Course  in  Archaeological  Conservation  at  New  York  University.”  

KENT  SEVERSON:  Well  it’s  good  that  I  followed  Chris  Ratté,  the  first  person  I  ever  met  when  I  first  walked  onto  an  archaeological  site  to  work  30-­‐something  years  ago  was  Chris  Ratté.      

I  was  introduced  to  archaeological  conservation  by  Larry  Majewski,  seen  in  this  photograph  here,  a  long  time  director  of  the  New  York  University  conservation  training  program  and  he  took  me  to  Sardis  where  I  worked  for  two  seasons  as  a  student  along  with  Ray  Beaubein  in  ’83  and  ’84.    He  always  had  an  insatiable  curiosity  about  how  things  were  made  and  what  was  happening  to  them.    And  he  always  encouraged  us  to  try  unfamiliar  treatments.    He  was  always  upbeat  and  he  was  McGivering  long  before  there  was  a  McGiver.    And  so  in  working  with  archaeological  training  and  training  students,  I’ve  always  tried  to  instill  the  spirit  that  Larry  Majewski  left  with  us.    So  in  1989,  I  was  asked  back  by  NYU  to  take  over  supervision  of  conservation  students  in  the  field,  primarily  at  Sardis  but  eventually  at  Samothrace  and  then  at  Aphrodisias  and  I  shared  these  duties  with  Steve  Koob,  sometimes  overlapping  and  sometimes  working  on  parallel  tracks  and  it  occurred  to  us  that  we  were  repeating  ourselves  and  we  were  wasting  precious  field  time  on  things  that  might  be  taught  in  the  classroom.    So  in  2003,  at  the  suggestion  of  Norbert  Baer  and  Michele  Marincola,  we  put  together  something  like  a  small  field  school  to  help  prepare  conservation  students  in  advance  of  their  fieldwork.    In  charged  with  developing  the  program,  I  came  up  with  a  short  course  in  archaeological  conservation,  or  as  we  came  to  call  it  the  Boot  Camp.    The  course  is  held  at  the  Conservation  Center  of  the  IFA  in  New  York  and  it  consists  of  one  week  in  the  middle  of  May,  squeezed  in  between  finals  and  departure  for  the  sites.    Now  as  previous  speakers  have  touched  on,  like  archaeology  students  who  have  no  time  for  conservation,  the  conservation  students  have  no  time  for  archaeology  and  so  many  of  the  people  that  were  tapped  to  go  to  the  sites  and  work  there  really  had  no  concept  of  what  archaeology  was  about,  what  they  might  find,  how  they  might  deal  with  it.    Participants  typically  consist  of  5  or  6  NYU  students  from  all  kinds  of  specialties,  so  we’ll  have  paper  conservators  and  people  that  are  going  to  specialize  in  paintings  come  out  to  the  sites.    And  actually  I  always  felt  that  students  from  other  specialties  have  a  lot  to  gain  working  on  archaeological  sites.    The  program  is  open  to  students  from  other  programs  like  Buffalo  and  Winterthur  and  sometimes  Boston  Museum  of  Fine  Art  interns.      

In  2010,  there  were  about  ten  students  in  the  course,  half  NYU  and  half  others.    There’s  not  much  time  in  a  week  so  topics  have  to  be  selected  very  carefully.    I  try  to  make  them  site  specific  in  dealing  with  materials  of  ancient  culture  in  Eastern  Mediterranean  where  most  of  these  students  are  going  which  includes,  of  course,  a  lot  of  Roman  material.    Now  the  goal  of  this  short  course  is  just  to  try  to  get  everyone  focused  on  archaeological  

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materials  which  are  not  part  of  much  of  NYU’s  curriculum,  unlike  UCLA  where  the  whole  thing  is  about  this,  and  this  is  a  big  problem  in  that  students  were  being  asked  to  go  out  to  the  sites  just  cold.    So  we  try  to  get  everyone  exposed  to  some  literature  through  some  readings,  but  what  we’re  really  trying  to  do  is  prepare  students  to  make  decisions  about  treatments,  sometimes  independently,  based  on  sound  methodology.    We’re  trying  to  familiarize  students  with  materials  they  might  encounter  and  treatments  they  might  reasonably  accomplish  and  basically  to  get  students  organized  so  that  they  can  cope  with  life  on  site  and  working  with  archaeologists.    Major  tests  include  Cronyn’s  Elements,  Torraca’s  books  are  really  great,  a  series  of  lectures  were  given.    Here  you  can  see  one  of  the  very  early  programs,  Steve  has  always  been  participating  in  this  and  Ray  Beaubien  and  whoever  else  was  around  that  I  could  get  together.    And  these  are  mostly  organized  by  material,  glass  section,  ceramic  section,  metal  section,  and  then  a  series  of  labs  using  some  of  the  techniques  and  tools  that  they  might  encounter  on  site.    So  this  course  has  been  delivered  every  year  since  inception  in  2003.    I  stopped  doing  it  two  years  ago  when  I  moved  to  Hawaii,  but  it  continues  to  be  ably  managed  by  a  former  participant  and  NYU  graduate,  Anna  Serota.      

So,  a  typical  week  includes  introductions  to  the  course  and  to  specific  sites  often  with  presentations  by  site  directors,  Chris  Ratté,  Jim  McCredie,  he  always  came  to  talk  about  Samothrace,  and  this  initiated  this  connection  between  the  archaeologists  and  the  conservators  that  was  very  invaluable  when  on  site.    And  we  also  introduce  some  basic  tenents  of  archaeology,  what  is  stratigraphy  and  how  do  excavations  happen,  and  characteristics  of  the  burial  environment.    And  for  many  students  this  is  their  first  exposure  to  anything  about  archaeological  excavation  so  it  is  extremely  valuable.      

The  ceramics  and  glass  section,  often  times  taught  by  Steve,  Tony  Sigel  or  myself,  it’s  good  for  students  to  hear  different  voices  because  everybody’s  got  their  own  kind  of  angle.    Some  of  the  work  was  done  in  mockups.    A  lot  of  students  had  never  mixed  up  a  bowl  of  plaster  of  Paris  before.    So  you  can  see  how  this  might  be  very  valuable.      

This  is  Ray  Beaubien  in  one  of  our  workshops  where  she  typically  gave  a  section  on  organic  materials  including  some  terrific  lifting  techniques.    And  many  other  things  that  we  taught  were  immediately  put  into  play  in  the  following  weeks  when  the  students  went  off  to  sites.    We  did  a  section  on  metals.    In  a  short  week  there’s  not  much  that  you  can  do  but  it  does  give  us  an  opportunity  to  introduce  some  of  the  simple  analytical  techniques,  what  did  Ray  call  them,  low  tech  analytical  techniques  which  are  typically  all  you  have  on  archaeological  sites.    We  gave  students  exercises  in  joining  stones,  orienting  a  blind  dowel.    Many  of  these  students  had  never  run  a  drill  before,  they  didn’t  know  anything  about  drill  bits.    So  everything  became  very  valuable.    Stone  cleaning,  power  tools,  they  love  the  power  tools,  who  doesn’t  like  power  tools,  right?      

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A  big  section  on  lime  technologies  because  so  much  of  the  eastern  Mediterranean  it’s  all  about  lime  and  things  that  you  do  so  we  spend  a  lot  of  time  on  that  and  then  it  comes  in  handy  when  working  on  mosaics  and  wall  paintings.      

Finally,  at  the  request  of  the  faculty  and  the  directors  of  the  sites,  we  talk  a  lot  about  life  on  site,  safety  issues,  but  also  the  idea  of  a  site  as  teamwork  and  working  with  the  archaeologists  and  learning  what  their  needs  are  and  letting  them  know  what  the  students  of  conservation  needs  are,  all  those  things  needed  to  run  a  project  smoothly.    So  in  addition  to  providing  a  little  background  in  the  literature  and  getting  the  students  some  practice  in  hands  on  skills,  we  hope  that  we  give  them  enough  confidence  so  if  they  go  to  the  field  and  begin  to  apply  abstract  conservation  methodology  in  real  life  situations  where  their  decisions  have  a  profound  impact  on  the  survival  of  artifacts.      

Thinking  on  your  feet  under  less  than  ideal  conditions  is  probably  the  most  difficult  part  of  archaeological  conservation  but  also  one  of  the  most  important  experiences  that  students  have  come  away  with.      

ABP:  Our  next  speaker  is  Elizabeth  Pye,  “Conservation  in  Archaeology,  Encouraging  Engagement.”  

ELIZABETH  PYE:    I  wanted  to  add  to  my  biography,  which  is  pretty  brief  in  the  handout,  that  I  trained  initially  as  an  archaeologist  and  then  as  a  conservator.    I  spent  most  of  my  career  at  University  College  London  where  there’s  been  a  conservation  lab  and  conservation  teaching  alongside  archaeology  since  1937.    In  reflecting  on  this  with  reference  to  this  particular  session,  I  realized  that  engagement  between  archaeologists  and  conservators  for  all  of  the  students  has  actually  become  less  easy  to  achieve  as  the  bigger  the  Institute  has  become,  and  the  more  complex  each  of  the  subject  areas  has  become.    In  1937  all  the  archaeologists  did  some  conservation  and  we  can’t  really  claim  to  do  that  now.      

I’m  going  to  talk  about  the  Master’s  program  that  we  provide  and  my  colleague,  John  Merkel,  who  is  going  to  follow  me,  will  talk  about  the  undergraduate  course.    Our  Master’s  program  has  developed  as  a  training  which  has  evolved  from  a  certificate  to  an  undergraduate  degree  and  there  are  now  two  Master’s  programs:  an  MA  in  Principles  of  Conservation  and  an  MSc  in  Conservation  for  Archaeology  and  Museums.      It’s  a  two-­‐year  MSc  and  includes  a  ten-­‐month  internship.      I  should  emphasize  that  we  don’t  focus  purely  on  what  you  would  call  conventional  archaeological  material,  we  range  quite  widely  over  museum  collections  and  our  focus  is  on  objects,  although  we  do  introduce  students  to  the  concept  of  work  on  sites  in  general.    The  MA  degree  can  be  taken  as  a  stand  alone  degree,  or  as  a  precursor  to  the  MSc  (the  MA  is  a  requirement  for  the  MSc).  The  two  degrees  together  provide  a  professional  training  in  the  practice  of  conservation  and  this  slide  shows  two  aspects  of  the  training,  a  seminar  on  the  left  and  the  lab  work  on  the  right.  One  year  of  lab  work  is  followed  by  an  almost  one-­‐year  internship,  so  there’s  a  lot  of  practice  there  -­‐  the  students  always  complain  about  being  overworked,  they’re  probably  right!      

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We  accept  students  with  first  degrees  in  archaeology,  anthropology,  history  of  art,  but  they  are  also  required  to  take  some  chemistry  as  well,  and  if  we  accept  chemists  (and  we  welcome  chemists)  they  must  have  some  kind  of  preparation  in  archaeology  or  they  must  have  already  shown  an  active  interest  in  archaeology.    For  those  who  don’t  have  an  archaeological  training,  we  require  attendance  at  one  of  our  first  year  undergraduate  core  courses  covering  key  concepts  and  aspects  of  practice  in  archaeology.    And  whatever  their  background,  for  those  with  no  field  experience,  we  encourage  participation  in  an  excavation,  either  as  excavator  or  as  conservator,  depending  on  what  stage  they  are  at  in  their  training.      

This  shows  a  slide  of  conservation  students  at  Çatalhöyük.  I  think  it’s  very  important  that  conservators  understand  the  wider  archaeological  research  context  and  the  research  questions  that  the  archaeologists  are  asking  about  the  site  so  that  they  actually  know  how  they  can  contribute  information  relevant  to  the  project  and  vice  versa.    Equally  archaeologists  need  to  understand  the  nature  of  the  service  that  conservators  can  provide  in  support  of  archaeological  research  and  I  would  emphasize  here,  which  I  think  has  been  touched  on  already,  neither  party  should  consider  that  providing  a  service,  which  is  what  conservation  does,  is  somehow  subservient  or  implies  lack  of  skill  or  academic  rigor.    I  know  that  many  of  us  have  experienced  this  problem.    Between  2003  and  2012,  I  led  the  conservation  team  at  this  very  well  known  Neolithic  site  Çatalhöyük,  we  always  involved  teams  of  our  conservation  students,    and  trained  Turkish  students  as  well.  I  found  this  a  very  interesting  experience  having  known  about  the  site  since  my  initial  training  as  an  archaeologist.  I  was  excited  to  be  involved  and  had  hoped  to  work  in  a  very  collaborative  manner.    But  I  found  that  it  was  actually  quite  difficult  to  convince  the  specialists  working  on,  say,  animal  bone  or  ceramics  of  the  value  of  conservation  approaches.    It  was  only  gradually  by  showing  the  ceramics  specialists  what  we  could  do  that  they  became  convinced  that  by  handing  their  ceramics  over  to  us  we  would  reconstruct  them  accurately  and  with  conservation  grade  adhesives.    Eventually  they  became  very  interested  and  impressed  by  what  conservation  students  could  achieve.    My  feeling  is  that  discussion  of  conservation’s  contribution  to  achieving  archaeological  research  happens  too  infrequently,  and  perhaps  as  conservators  (and  I  speak  as  a  conservator),  we  have  not  often  been  successful  in  communicating  the  potential  of  conservation  to  archaeologists.      

My  next  slide  will  be  very  familiar  to  at  least  one  person  in  the  audience.    This  is  the  extraordinary  7th  -­‐8th  century  Anglo  Saxon  hoard,  the  Staffordshire  Hoard,  discovered  by  a  metal  detector  user  in  2009.    This  is  the  subject  of  the  collaborative  conservation  and  research  project  awarded  the  AIA  Conservation  and  Heritage  Management  Award  this  year  (to  be  presented  this  evening)  for  its  communication  of  conservation  -­‐  through  a  blog  and  so  on.    I  sat  on  one  of  the  specialists’  panels,  but  there  were  two  panels,  conservation  and  research,  why  not  one  panel?    We  did  have  joint  meetings  and  I  think  we  should  have  had  more  joint  meetings.  However  there  was  a  sort  of  assumption  that  these  were  two  

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completely  separate  activities.    In  fact  conservation  training  engenders  very  important  observational  skills  and  a  good  knowledge  of  the  materials  of  pre  -­‐industrial  technologies  and  the  information  we  can  get  out  of  objects  is  really  very  important  in  terms  of  what  conservators  can  achieve,  and  contribute    to  a  project.    But  sadly,  very  often  this  type  of  work  is  invisible  and  I  want  to  finish  with  two  slides  of  another  Anglo  Saxon  site,  a  7th  century  Anglo  Saxon  burial  chamber  discovered  in  2003  in  Essex.    This  is  what  it  looked  like  during  excavation.    The  involvement  of  conservators  right  from  the  beginning  within  the  excavation  meant  that  it  was  possible  to  retrieve,  conserve,  and  interpret  all  sorts  of  tiny  traces,  soil  impressions,  tiny  traces  of  organic  materials,  so  build  up  a  detailed  picture,  with  the  archaeologists,  of  this  as  the  contents  of  the  burial  chamber.    Objects  are  information  and  conservation  maximizes  this  information  and  I  think  it’s  very  important  that  we’re  able  to  communicate  that!    

I  want  to  make  just  one  final  point.    I  think  that  as  each  of  these  disciplines  develops,  we  tend  to  talk  to  ourselves  and  not  to  each  other,  but  conservators  should  talk  to  archaeologists  and  vice-­‐versa.  We  tend  to  have  specialist  publications  and  specialist  conferences,  but    we  need  to  have  much  more  joined  up  research.    I  hope  that  this  is  the  beginning,  here,  of  this  kind  of  engagement.      

ABP:  Our  last  speaker  today  is  John  Merkel.    His  title  is  “Undergraduate’s  Help  in  Archaeological  Conservation.”  

JOHN  MERKEL:  As  you  heard  from  our  previous  seven  speakers,  there  are  many  different  approaches  in  trying  to  provide  some  conservation  training  to  archaeologists.    In  the  next  seven  minutes,  I  will  quickly  present  an  overview  of  our  UCL  Institute  of  Archaeology  undergraduate  course  as  well  as  some  of  the  selected  syllabus  details.    I  think  this  is  very  important  because  within  the  framework  of  the  course  we  do  try  to  address  many  of  these  issues  in  terms  of  what  an  archaeologist  should  do  and  what  a  conservator  should  do  as  well  as  the  practical  aspects  of  how  these  activities  overlap.    So  with  the  Conservation  for  Archaeologists  course  at  the  Institute,  it’s  an  option,  it’s  not  required.    We  have  some  25  students,  this  is  approximately  a  quarter  or  so  of  the  Institute’s  students.    The  course  is  provided  with  18  two-­‐hour  lectures.    And  it  is  a  rigorous  program.    At  the  Institute  of  Archaeology,  we  have  5+  staff  members  in  archaeological  conservation  and  the  range  of  activities  and  the  detail  are  represented.    I  think  at  a  very  high  level  for  the  undergraduates.      

Now  in  this  presentation,  I’ve  taken  it  mostly  from  our  course  handbook  which  is  online  for  the  students;  all  the  lectures  are  online  as  well  too.    And  I’ve  tried  to  highlight  some  of  the  key  issues  so  I  have  a  lot  more  text  on  my  slides  than  we’ll  need  right  now,  but  it  allows  you  to  read  around  them  if  you  like  as  well  too  as  I’m  speaking.    On  the  cover  of  the  Course  Handbook,  these  are  examples  of  some  of  the  projects  that  we’ve  had  at  the  Institute  of  Archaeology,  and  as  one  can  imagine,  and  also  from  Liz’s  presentation,  we  do  work  on  a  lot  of  Anglo  Saxon  material.    The  aims  of  the  course  really  are  to  present  

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conservation  within  its  place  in  archaeological  projects,  to  enable  students  really  to  assist  with  fundamental  activities  under  supervision  on  excavations.    This  is  important  in  terms  of  supervision.    We  want  students  to  be  able  to  initiate  and  know  what  to  do  and  also  what  they  shouldn’t  do,  to  avoid  some  of  the  mistakes  that  have  taken  place  before.    With  practical  aspects,  the  objectives  include  fundamental  ethical  principles,  an  overview  of  conservation  planning  and  conservation  activities.    We  want  students  also  to  be  able  to  assist  with  first  aid  on  site.    There  will  never  be  enough  conservators  to  go  around,  so  we  think  it’s  very  important  for  our  undergraduates  to  have  the  ability  to  initiate  lifting  projects,  for  example.    The  more  complicated  the  project,  the  more  assistance  they’ll  need,  but  they  should  be  able  to  initiate  the  projects  with  recommended  materials.    So  lifting,  consolidation,  limited  consolidation  are  all  important  again  along  with  our  recommendations  and  their  experience.      

Next,  to  provide  documentation  on  visual  examinations  and  straightforward  condition  assessments  of  artifacts,  we  want  students  to  be  able  to  recognize  active  deterioration  and  know  what  should  be  done  to  remedy  the  situation.      

Next,  understanding  principles  of  preventive  conservation,  environmental  monitoring,  packaging,  so  that  they  can  provide  advice  on  long-­‐term  storage  of  archaeological  materials.      

Now,  I  want  to  present  quickly  the  series  of  lectures.    The  introduction  had  been  done  by  Liz  Pye  for  many  years,  which  was  very  important  for  setting  up  the  background,  introducing  students  to  what  happens.  This  past  year  Renata  Peters  and  I  did  the  introduction,  together.    Next,  I  lectured  on  the  context  of  burial  and  excavation.  This  provided  some  of  the  undergraduate-­‐level  chemistry  that  goes  along  with  many  of  the  deterioration  processes.    Why  is  some  chemistry  important?    Well,  students  need  to  know  what  to  anticipate  during  excavations  of  sites  from  different  environments.    The  chemistry  is  very  straightforward.    And  the  chemistry  behind  the  deterioration  processes  also  serves  as  an  introduction  to  many  other  aspects  of  conservation  materials.      

Next,  we  had  a  condition  assessment  lecture  by  Renata  Peters,  then  another  staff  member,  James  Hales,  did  consolidating,  lifting,  handling.    I  did  a  practical  session  on  lifting  with  the  students.    Next,  we  include  conservation  of  archaeological  sites.    Tim  Williams  presented  this  topic,  again  another  specialist  at  the  Institute.    He  did  a  survey  through  two  hours  on  what’s  been  done  on  sites,  including  some  of  the  priorities  and  successes.    I  sit  in  on  all  of  these,  so  I  also  get  a  very  good  first  year  education  in  conservation;  year  after  year.      

The  next  lecture  is  conservation  on  excavations  as  well  as  conservation  lab  work.    This  again  investigates  that  interface  between  what  students  should  do/can  do  on  site,  and  when  they  need  a  conservator.      

The  next  lecture  on  packaging  and  transport,  is  presented  by  James  Hales,  again.    Preventive  conservation  and  use  of  some  of  the  equipment  for  monitoring  environment  are  covered.    And  finally,  at  the  end  of  the  first  term,  I  do  a  lecture  on  chemistry  in  conservation  

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and  long-­‐term  analytical  options.    Some  conservation  techniques  will  affect  analytical  data,  so  it’s  important  that  students  know  what  these  principles  are  and  what  they  should  be  concerned  about,  for  example,  consolidation.    How  does  consolidation,  for  example,  affect  radiocarbon  dating,  as  well  as  other  studies  on  organic  materials.      

I  think  is  very  important  for  undergraduate  conservation  students  to  have  some  sense  of  the  history  of  conservation.    I  remember  as  a  science  student  I  was  always  wondering  what  have  the  conservators  done  to  an  object.    Why  does  it  look  the  way  it  does?    Having  worked  in  a  number  of  museums,  very  often  technical  studies  are  about  unraveling  the  past  conservation  before  even  attempting  to  understand  the  ancient  technology.    Therefore,  we  start  the  second  term  with  conservation  of  ceramics  and  glass.  We  have  a  practical  session  on  ceramics;  reassembling  flowerpots  with  conservation  adhesives.    Dean  Sully  teaches  conservation  of  organic  materials.    On  stone  and  mosaics,  we  had  Tracy  Sweek  from  the  British  Museum  lecture.  Later  in  the  term,  we  had  visits  over  to  see  what  she  was  doing  at  the  British  Museum  as  well  as  visiting  other  departments  at  the  British  Museum.    We  also  have  a  visit  to  conservation  at  the  Museum  of  London.    The  two  museum  visits  are  actually  very  important  because  they  give  the  students  a  chance  to  see  professionals  at  work.    The  undergraduate  archaeology  students  are  also  invited  into  our  MSc  conservation  laboratory  to  see  what’s  going  on.    We  also  include  lectures  on  museums  and  collections.    Dean  Sully  lectures  on  these  topics.    Kathy  Tubb  then  covers  conservation  and  the  trade  in  antiquities.    And  finally  we  have  a  review  at  the  end  of  the  academic  term  and  a  session  on  final  examination  and  preparation.    The  workload,  you  can  see  is  36  hours  of  lectures  as  well  as  tutorials,  practical’s,  and  visits.    Included  for  coursework,  we  have  two  essays  as  well  as  a  final  exam.    

I  thought  you  might  want  to  see  a  few  of  the  essay  options.    This  is  an  interesting  one  on  the  list:    write  a  report  on  conservation  undertaking  for  one  or  more  excavations.    This  essay  would  include  interviewing  several  excavation  directors  or  senior  members  on  staffed  on  excavations  and  then  assess  what  some  of  the  conservation  priorities  were  for  a  project.    With  the  second  essay,  we’ve  started  introducing  how  has  conservation  contributed  to  the  display  as  well  as  one’s  understanding  of  an  object;  also  using  online  databases  the  British  Museum.      Students  start  investigating  conservation  histories,  the  biography  of  objects.    This  essay  topic  has  been  very  popular  with  the  students.      

There  is  a  final  3-­‐hour  written  examination,  which  I  think  is  actually  very  important,  and  students  get  to  select  three  of  six  questions  to  answer.    One,  for  example,  “why  is  the  knowledge  of  ancient  technology  advantageous  for  conservation”?    And  they  get  to  write  for  about  an  hour  on  each  of  the  three  questions  in  an  exam.    The  other  questions  are  quite  challenging,  too.      

These  were  the  key  points  to  summarize  from  the  syllabus.    I  wanted  to  really  emphasize  what  we  think  is  important  for  the  undergraduates  in  conservation  for  archaeologists.    This  is  quite  different  from  out  Master’s  training.    As  I  mentioned  before,  

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there  are  never  going  to  be  enough  conservators  available,  so  archaeology  students  in  this  course  develop  appropriate  conservation  skills  and  understand  relevant  conservation  activities  on  site.    There  are  a  number  of  different  solutions  or  ways  to  teach  conservation  for  archaeologists.    To  summarize  again,  as  noted  before,  some  conservation  training  may  be  useful  to  students  in  archaeology.  This  presentation  is  just  one  of  our  approaches  to  archaeological  conservation  and  how  we  deal  with  teaching  for  undergraduate  archaeology  students  at  UCL  Institute  of  Archaeology.  

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Appendix  B  

Transcript  of  the  panel  discussion    ABP:  Thank  you  all  panelists  for  your  wonderful  talks.    Now  we’re  going  to  

go  right  into  a  discussion  session  and  I  think  we’ll  have  John,  do  you  mind  moderating  the  beginning  of  it?    John  will  moderate  and  we’ll  have  a  few  questions  from  the  audience  before  we  get  into  more  nitty  gritty  topics.      

JM:  Now  there  are  many  ways  we  can  approach  this  discussion  in  terms  of  specific  issues,  but  I  think  let’s  just  start  with  questions  from  the  audience.    You  may  ask  any  of  the  panelists,  direct  your  question  to  one  panelist  or  just  as  a  group  and  if  we  decide  to  speak  up  on  something,  please  join  in  and  make  your  point  for  the  answers,  too.    So,  first  questions  please,  anyone.      

LISA  FENTRESS:  I’m  President  of  International  Association  of  Classical  Archaeology  (AIAC)  and  I  run  a  website  called  Fastionline  which  reports  on  archaeological  excavations.  We  now  are  in  collaboration  with  ICCROM  and  Stefano  De  Caro  is  starting  in  collaboration  with  the  site  of  Fasti,  Fasti  conservation,  which  is  going  to  include  GIS  short  reports  of  conservation  throughout  the  Mediterranean.    And  there  will  be  a  journal  that  goes  with  Fasti  conservation  which  is  looking  for  reports,  interim  reports,  methodological  articles.  It’s  just  starting  out  but  keep  your  eyes  pealed  and  please,  I  hope  that  all  the  conservationists  in  the  room  will  participate  and  think  about  this  opportunity.    

ABP:  Can  you  spell  that  for  us  please.      LISA  FENTRESS:  http://www.fastionline.org/  and  the  idea  really  is  to  blend  

archaeology  and  conservation  through  the  two  maps  that  will  be  superimposed,  red  will  be  digging  and  blue  will  be  conservation.      

EP:  Can  I  follow  up  on  that?    I  think  this  is  an  excellent  venture  and  if  I  had  time  I  would  also  have  said  that  I  think  we  need  some  joint  publication,  we  need  some  good  case  studies  to  show  how  conservation  and  archaeology  have  worked  together  and  can  each  benefit.    And  this  is  going  in  that  sort  of  direction.      

JM:    In  the  syllabus,  we’re  concerned  that  if  one  new  topic  goes  in,  something  else  often  has  to  come  out.    So  we  do  feel  there’s  some  competition  between  many  of  these  specialisms  within  the  UCL  Institute  of  Archaeology,  too.    And,  one  of  the  key  points  is  deciding  where  does  conservation  fit?      

BR:  I  have  a  question  for  Kent.      KATHARYN  HANSON:  I  was  just  going  to  add,  my  name  is  Katharyn  Hanson,  

I’m  at  the  Iraqi  Institute  for  the  Conservation  of  Antiquities  and  Heritage  and  I  run  the  archaeological  site  preservation  program  there.  I  just  started  this  past  April.  My  

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question  or  encouragement  to  everyone  on  the  panel,  it  has  been  excellent  and  amazing,  and  as  you  continue  to  do  this  discussion,  I  just  want  to  encourage  you  to  think  about  including  professional  archaeologists,  local  professional  archaeologists.  We  teach  Iraqis  who  work  for  the  Kurdish  regional  government  and  we  teach  folks  who  work  for  the  state  department  of  antiquities  and  heritage  of  Baghdad  and  that  has  been  very  productive.  I  just  want  to  encourage  you  to  work  with  some  of  the  local  professionals  too.  

FM:  I  think  the  task  for  us  was  very  specific  about  academic  higher  education  training.    But  I  think  the  point  is  that  we  have  to  fix  the  problem  now  which  is  getting  to  current  practicing  professionals.    We  have  to  be  proactive  and  change  the  way  sites  are  run  and  that  includes  students  who  today  will  appreciate  and  understand  the  value  of  conservation  before  they  become  site  directors.    No  conservator  will  become  a  site  director  for  an  archaeological  site  but  an  archaeologist  will  and  they  need  to  get  some  of  that  understanding  and  knowledge  and  vice    versa,  as  has  been  said,  and  I  don’t  actually  know  how  successful  that  has  been  for  conservation  students  to  have  appropriate  courses  in  theory  and  method  of  archaeology.    It  is  critical.      

ABP:    So  that’s  the  main  interest  today,  we’d  really  like  to  hear  from  you  panelists  with  your  expertise  and  so  many  years  of  experience,  in  your  experience  what  do  you  find  lacking  in  knowledge  of  the  conservator,  for  example,  and  vice  versa,  conservators,  what  do  you  find  lacking,  what  aspects  would  you  focus  on,  what  would  you  recommend?    You  archaeologists,  what  do  you  find  lacking  in  the  conservators  when  they’re  working  with  you?    They  may  be  lacking  in  knowledge  of  excavation  technique,  surveying  techniques,  or  perhaps  they’re  perfect  and  they’re  not  lacking  in  any  knowledge.    We’d  like  to  hear  from  the  conservators  as  well.      

FM:  Could  we  get  a  sense  of  who’s  in  the  audience?    How  many  archaeologists  are  here?    How  many  conservators?    How  many  other?    It’s  a  good  mix,  a  very  good  mix.    Thank  you.      

JM:    Who’d  like  to  respond  to  these  questions?      BR:  You  asked  about  excavation  technique.    The  conservators  are  often  

better  diggers  than  we  are  because  obviously  the  conservators  are  more  sensitive  to  what  can  be  damaged.    So  I’ve  had  great  success  working  with  conservators  from  day  1,  as  you  will  have  seen,  and  I  should  have  worked  with  them  from  day  1  and  I  did  not  but  I  would  say  it’s  essential  for  archaeologists  and  conservators  to  meet  before  the  season  gets  underway,  certainly  before  the  project  gets  underway  because  the  conservators  need  to  understand  what  our  goals  are,  what  our  objectives  are  and  often  those  are  tied  to  the  goals  and  objectives  of  the  Ministry  of  Culture  and  Tourism.    So  there  are  some  things  that  a  conservator  might  want  to  do  that  we  just  can’t  do  because  we’re  dealing  with  a  larger  stratum  of  administration  that  they  might  not  know  about  or  understand  unless  we  explain  it  to  them.    So  you  

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need  to  have  a  common  set  of  priorities  at  the  beginning  of  every  season  and  I  think  that’s  something  we  fall  down  on  from  time  to  time.      

IK:  I  have  had  great  experience  with  archaeology  students  at  UCLA  but  what  they  whispered  just  a  minute  ago  was  that  we  need  to  enforce  the  archaeologist  to  take  conservation  courses.    I  have  to  say  again  that  we  had  many  archaeologists  who  took  conservation  courses,  both  to  do  practical  conservation  especially  these  ones  that  are  very  interactive,  that  they  have  to  do  with  actual  field  conservation  methods,  and  even  scientific  oriented  ones  that  we  cross  list  with  engineering  students  because  they  wanted  to  understand  the  materiality  of  the  objects.    But  I  still  feel  that  maybe  in  their  curriculum  apart  from  Archaeology  Core  1,  2,  3  that  we  have  at  UCLA  that  they  should  also  have  to  take  one  conservation  course.      

ABP:  That  was  one  of  my  main  questions.    How  do  we  go  about  making  some  of  these  courses  obligatory?    It’s  certainly  not  up  to  the  individual,  it’s  up  to  the  various  departments  to  agree  that  it’s  necessary  enough  to  make  it  an  obligatory  course.      

FM:  Well  Brian  made  the  comment  that  there’s  already  so  much  that  a  graduate  student  needs  to  take,  including  the  ancient  languages,  in  terms  of  classical  archaeology.    It’s  all  a  negotiation  and  you  know  what  that’s  like  at  a  faculty  meeting  or  a  curriculum  committee  meeting.    What  it  suggests  to  me  and  it  is  maybe  a  point  to  talk  about  which  is  the  School  of  Design  where  I  teach  has  voiced  the  mantra  of  interdisciplinarity  since  its  founding  in  the  1890’s.    Architecture  with  studio  art  with  landscape  was  with  planning.    These  in  other  places  are  complete  separate  and  disparate  programs  outside  of  a  single  school.    So  we  talk  about  it  a  lot,  we  think  about  it  a  lot,  but  the  reality  is  that  when  it  comes  time  to  bartering  for  actual  courses  in  the  curriculum,  it’s  really,  really  difficult  and  so  we  have  talked  a  lot  about  and  have  actually  implemented  what  is  the  new  pedagogy  in  the  United  States  which  are  dual  degrees.    Now  people  are  racking  up  several  Master’s  in  the  space  of  one  and  a  half  times  what  it  would  take  for  two  separate  degrees.    So  the  question  is  there  actually  a  difference  if  an  archaeologist  trains  an  archaeologist  and  takes  a  course  in  conservation  or  does  some  kind  of  postgraduate  training,  or  is  that  different  from  if  that  training  is  embedded  in  their  training  to  becoming  an  archaeologist.    I  think  there  is  a  difference  actually.    And  it  gets  to  the  point  made  before  which  is  it’s  too  late  for  some  but  not  for  current  students.      

MAN:  So  which  do  you  prefer  and  why?      FM:  I  think  the  model  of  an  embedded  is  better  but  the  problem  is,  I’ll  get  to  

the  why  in  a  minute,  but  the  problem  is  timing.    We’re  grappling  with  this  at  Penn  right  now.    However,  I  have  to  say  the  experiment  of  the  course  I  just  taught,  we  had  six  PhD  anthro  archaeology  students  in  the  course  so  it  is  possible.    Why  is  it  better?    Because  it  develops  better  critical  thinking.      

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BR:  Kent,  at  NYU,  did  you  have  archaeologists  from  the  IFA  or  Chris  could  answer  this  too,  did  you  have  archaeologists  from  the  IFA  who  were  taking  any  courses  at  the  conservation  center  which  is  admittedly  across  the  street  and  would  they  have  been  welcome  to  your  intensive  week  long  pre  excavation  season  course  and  did  any  of  them  take  advantage  of  that?      

KS:  They  never  did.    We’ve  never  had  an  archaeology  student  take  the  conservation  course  and  they  would  have  been  welcome  I  think.    As  far  as  I’m  concerned  they  would  have  been  very  welcome.  One  of  the  things,  they  never  took  the  short  course,  but  they  do  take  courses  during  regular  term  time  at  the  conservation  center.    NYU  sponsored  a  symposium  some  years  ago  at  Abu  Dhabi  that  was  kind  of  similar  in  topic  and  I  talked  about  this  short  course  that  we’d  be  giving  and  one  of  my  colleagues  in  the  back  said  how  dare  you  suggest  that  one  week  of  training  is  sufficient.    And  you  have  to  understand,  the  one  week  that  we  do  is  not  just  that  one  week,  it’s  part  of  the  greater  program  that  the  conservation  students  have  which  involves  a  lot  of  chemistry  and  then  many  of  the  things  that  have  been  mentioned  and  described  in  these  other  things,  it’s  really  just  a  way  and  really  kind  of  a  stopgap,  I  don’t  think  it’s  the  solution  but  it’s  a  way  of  at  least  doing  something  and  I’ve  always  felt  that  something  is  better  than  nothing.    So  getting  conservation  students  up  to  speed  with  archaeologists  is  very  useful.    I  think  actually  ultimately  archaeology  students  and  conservation  students  have  to  take  classes  together,  we  have  to  have  some  courses  in  common.      

JM:  We  have  tried  to  embed  the  conservation  in  the  undergraduate  degree.    We  do  have  one  or  two  students  that  do  continue  and  go  into  the  MA  sequence.      

KS:  But  the  thing  is  that  the  people  that  you  meet  in  graduate  school  are  the  people  that  you’re  with  for  the  rest  of  your  career  and  so  if  you  can  get  these  two  professions  to  connect  early  on  I  think  that’s  really  going  to  be  part  of  the  greater  solution.      

JP:  Yeah,  I’d  like  to  add  to  this  a  little  bit  because  I  think,  Brian  made  the  point  very  well  that  to  become  an  archaeologist  and  to  get  a  PhD  in  archaeology,  typically  in  the  Mediterranean,  you  have  to  take  two  ancient  languages,  pass  exams  in  two  modern  languages,  and  then  also  now,  according  to  Frank,  do  an  MA  in  conservation  and  I  think  this  binary,  and  do  it  in  three  years  and  go  out  and  get  a  job  and  I  think  this  binary  situation  is  really  I  think  a  little  bit  too,  how  can  I  say,  constricted  inasmuch  as  that  many  archaeological  projects  now  are  based  not  on  excavation  and  they’re  not  based  on  big  Mediterranean  sites,  we’re  looking  much  more  at  geophysics,  geomorphology,  and  also  environmental  studies.    And  in  those  types  of  projects,  conservation  is  an  important  part,  site  presentation  is  still  a  very  important  issue,  but  it’s  not  as  important  as  the  types  of  sites  we’ve  really  been  focusing  on.    So  archaeology  is  not  just  the  big  site.    And  as  chair  of  the  archaeology  IDP  at  UCLA,  I  had  to  read  the  riot  act  to  our  students  like  two  modern  languages,  

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two  ancient  languages,  do  this,  do  that,  you’ve  got  to  take  anthropology,  we’ve  got  built  into  the  system  lab  courses.    I  mean  it  gets  to  the  point  where  how  long  is  this  degree  going  to  be?      

FM:  Sorry,  John,  just  to  correct  a  point.    I  think  you  misunderstood  what  I  said.    I  said  that  I  thought  it  was  necessary  for  a  student  of  archaeology  to  take  a  course  in  conservation,  not  another  degree.    I  think  one  of  the  problems  we  often  face  is  trying  to  find  one  course  that  satisfies  all  the  needs.    I  think  there  are  courses,  as  the  UCL  program  suggests,  there  are  courses  for  heritage  managers,  there  are  courses  for  conservators,  there  are  courses  for  archaeologists.    They’re  all  on  conservation  but  they  understand  there  are  different  knowledge  skill  sets  for  each  of  those  three  categories  of  professional  expert  and  I  think  we  get  into  big  trouble,  there  are  also  training  programs  for  technicians  and  Tom  can  speak  to  this  with  respect  to  the  mosaics  work  that  they’ve  been  doing,  training  they’ve  been  doing.    I  think  we  get  in  a  muddle  when  we  confuse  it.    And  I  think  partly  this  has  been  a  problem  for  conservators  who  don’t  have  certification,  who  don’t  have  licensing,  who  really  need  to  get  their  act  together  to  be  taken  seriously  as  a  discrete  field  and  profession.      

TOM  ROBY:  I’ll  follow  a  comment.    Tom  Roby  of  the  Getty  Conservation  Institute.    The  question  for  the  conservators  and  their  training.    When  we  talk  about  archaeological  conservation  in  the  past,  traditionally  it’s  been  really  more  objects  focused,  artifact  focused  and  Brian  you  mentioned  that  in  the  beginning  the  first  conservators  were  art  objects  oriented  ones  and  then  you  started  to  deal  with  all  those  sites  and  so  then  you  had  archaeological  conservators.    My  question  is  whether  you  think  we  should  expand  our  training  in  archaeological  conservation  so  that  it  includes  more  of  a  focus  on  sites  or  is  it  something  that  should  be  kept  more  as  a  separate  discipline?      

BR:  You  ideally  want  to  do  it  all.    I  was  going  to  say  John’s  comment  about  the  semester  not  being  long  enough  or  the  academic  year  not  being  appropriate  for  all  the  courses  that  we  need  to  take,  that’s  why  I  would  advocate  more  some  special  summer  courses  that  are  intensive  courses  in  conservation.    I  don’t  know,  but  if  you  had  one  of  those  and  it  lasted  for  three  weeks,  not  longer  so  the  person  in  question  could  go  out  into  the  field  to  a  field  project  that  he  or  she  would  have  to  do  in  order  to  satisfy  the  requirements  of  the  program,  could  you  do  both,  the  fundamentals  of  object  conservation  and  site  conservation  in  three  weeks?    That  would  depend  on  Frank.      

FM:  There  is  no  rushing  maturity  of  thought.  KS:  I  can  say  that  when  Norbert  Baer  and  Michele  Marincola  suggested  that  

we  put  together  this  short  course,  Norbert  had  like  stars  in  his  eyes.    We’re  going  to  have  this  field  school  thing  where  we  can  do  two  weeks  or  three  weeks  at  NYU  and  then  we  go  off  to  one  of  the  many  sites  that  are  associated  with  NYU  or  others  for  

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that  matter.    And  it  was  going  to  be  this  much  grander  thing  but  we  could  never  find  money  to  pay  for  it.      

EP:  Can  I  come  back  to  the  question  of  embedding.    I  think  that’s  really  important.    I  think  it’s  difficult  in  practice  but  until  conservation  is  embedded,  it  may  still  be  this  thing  that’s  an  option  or  is  the  subject  of  a  kind  of  additional  training,  not  part  of  the  original  concept  of  archaeology.    And  I  said  at  the  beginning  that  I  trained  initially  as  an  archaeologist  and  then  became  a  conservator.    I  still  think  of  myself  as  an  archaeologist  but  an  archaeologist  with  expertise  in  conservation  and  I  think  it  could  work  the  other  way.    I  think  that  is  very  important.    The  business  of  somehow  stopping  separate,  it  actually  saddens  me  enormously  because  so  much  can  be  gained  by  proper  engagement.      

STEVE  KOOB:  As  you  know  I  started  out  the  same  way  and  I  got  a  Master’s  degree  in  classical  archaeology.    I  was  a  PhD  dropout  for  those  of  you  who  are  thinking  of  alternate  careers.  And  certainly  it  prepared  me  extremely  well  for  going  into  archaeological  conservation.    Now  the  program  that  we  took  back  then  was  a  three-­‐year  program.    It  was  very  different,  it  was  a  BA  program  or  BSc  program,  they  have  shortened  it  now  to  these  two  different  types  of  Masters  programs,  but  it  was  also  called  Conservation  of  Archaeological  Materials  in  materials  science.    And  that’s  a  fascinating  term  because  materials  science  is  definitely  really  interesting  to  archaeologists  as  well  as  conservators.    Knowing  how  materials  behave  and  deteriorate  and  preserve,  it’s  very  complex  but  it’s  a  fascinating  thing  that  we  emphasized  in  all  the  courses  that  we  took.    And  I  think  it  prepares  you  so  well  for  going  out  in  the  field  and  working  in  either  respect.      

ABP:  Maybe  that’s  the  key  link.    If  we  could  have  all  the  programs  include  material  science  we  would  automatically  be  talking  about  conservation  as  well.      

IK:  Our  course  is  definitely  very  science  oriented  but  the  conservation  students  can  take  these  courses  because  they  have  the  science  background  because  it’s  required.    The  archaeologists,  some  of  them  do  have  double  majors,  we  get  often  students  with  physics  or  chemistry  and  anthropology  but  not  all.    So  for  them  it  can  be  more  challenging  because  we  don’t  start  from  the  beginning  what  is  the  atom,  we  just  go  to  applied  science,  assuming  that  everybody  has  some  sort  of  understanding.    This  year,  however,  we  changed  the  curriculum  at  UCLA  and  we  introduced  a  class  “Science  Fundamentals”  and  something  like  that  could  be  taken  by  archaeologists  too  and  they  can  build  with  a  little  bit  more  extra  work,  the  necessary  background  that  they  can  follow  any  of  the  other  courses  effortlessly.    And  I  don’t  know,  John,  I  was  thinking  that  our  system  at  UCLA,  since  the  archaeology  students  are  required  to  take  lab  courses,  maybe  we  should  say  one  of  them  should  be  conservation.      

JP:  We  can  certainly  do  that.  ABP:  Now  that  we  have  you  together!  

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JM:  I  was  going  to  say  the  way  we  tried  to  resolve  that  at  the  Institute  was  we  had  a  chemistry  course  for  archaeology  of  conservation  but  there’s  no  lab  component  to  it.    We’ve  been  talking  about  adding  a  lab  component  to  that  class,  especially  for  health  and  safety  if  nothing  else.    To  respond  to  Brian’s  point  earlier,  it’s  the  manual  skills  that  are  so  slow  to  develop  than  the  knowledge  so,  for  example,  in  the  MSC  for  the  conservation  training,  students  will  work  on  some  ten  objects  but  across  the  whole  year  and  this  is  very  important,  building  up  that  confidence  and  the  experience  of  talking  with  all  the  staff  about  what’s  important  and  trying  to  link  that,  internalize  that,  and  decide  what  their  discussions  are  and  how  to  justify  them.      

EP:  I  just  wanted  to  come  back  to  the  material  science  issue  and  I  am  convinced  that  even  if  you  don’t  have  a  scientific  background  what  we  could  be  doing  is  demonstrating  the  potential,  what  can  we  learn  by  using  scientific  techniques,  we  don’t  have  to  teach  people  how  to  do  it,  we  can  show  that  by  application  of  these  techniques  you  can  learn  a  huge  amount  about  materials,  technologies  and  so  on  and,  after  all,  in  many  professions  there  are  individual  specialisms,  they  don’t  all  try  to  do  each  other’s  jobs  and  perhaps  that’s  a  problem  here,  that  we  can’t  all  be  conservators  and  archaeologists,  and  material  scientists.    But  we  need  to  really  show  how  those  can  all  work  together  well  and  what  they  can  each  contribute.      

LAURA  CONGER:  I’m  a  recent  graduate  from  MSC  in  archaeological  materials  and  material  science  from  UCL  as  well  as  the  University  of  Minnesota  so  I’ve  been  on  both  sides  of  all  this  conversation  that’s  going  on  and  what  are  your  thoughts  about  doing  something  at  an  even  earlier  level,  almost  all  archaeological  students  whether  they’re  undergraduate  or  graduate  are  required  to  take  field  school.    In  the  field  work,  which  would  include  a  little  bit  about  rescue  conservation  to  apply  in  the  field  but  also  doing  some  post  ex  work  as  well.    Once  you  bring  objects  back  to  the  institute  that  you’re  associated  with,  what  you  do  with  them  then  and  that  would  be  more  of  the  conservation  in  the  lab.    Can  you  talk  on  that?      

ABP:  That  sounds  like  a  great  idea  to  me.      JP:  The  training  at  the  undergraduate  level  is  certainly  the  way  to  go.    One  of  

the  biggest  problems,  however,  with  this  country  is  that  the  United  States  is  one  of  the  few  places,  with  the  possible  exception  of  Boston  University,  there  are  no  departments  of  archaeology.    So  you  either  have  to  become  a  forefield  anthropologist,  you  have  to  be  either  a  classicist  or  a  near  Eastern  archaeologist,  that  involves  Near  Eastern  languages  as  well,  or  whatever.    So  we  don’t  have  that  luxury  that  you  all  have  at  UCL  where  archaeology  is  something  that’s  taught  at  the  undergraduate  level.    We  just  don’t  have  that.    And  so  we’re  actually  forced  to  have  this  training  when  it’s  perhaps  too  late  at  the  graduate  level.    We  don’t  have  a  choice.    I  think  it  would  be  great  to  have  undergraduate  courses  that  include,  together  with  

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anthropology  and  archaeology,  that  include  a  conservation  component,  but  we  don’t  have  that  luxury.      

IK:  I  think  for  us  in  the  US,  the  only  way  to  do  that  is  through  field  schools.      ABP:  Introduce  conservation  components  into  the  field  schools.    Is  anybody  

doing  that  now?    You  may  be  the  only  one.      LEE  ANN  GORDON:  I  work  at  a  field  school  at  the  Athienou  Archaeological  

Project  (AAP)  on  Cyprus  that  has  been  going  on  for  over  20  years  where  we  always  introduce  a  conservation  component.  As  in  the  Athenian  Agora  where  there  is  a  conservation  component  to  the  training.  At  AAP  the  students  have  a  special  lecture  and  they  all  spend  one  to  two  days  in  the  lab  learning  about  conservation  procedures  and  philosophy  and  things  like  that.  It’s  not  great  but  it’s  something.    

LISA  FENTRESS:  I  was  thinking  that  I  have  done  a  course  for  conservators,  professional  conservators  who  are  loathe  to  take  on  students  as  well  as  the  work.    And  I  have  had  great  success  both  at  Cosa  and  now  at  Utica  with  having  a  conservator  on  site  taking  3  or  4  students  at  a  time  for  mosaics  conservation.    This  is  great.    But  I  think  that  conservators  have  to  be  slightly  more  open  to  the  idea  that  just  as  no  archaeological  project  should  be  done  without  student  volunteers,  the  conservation  of  mosaics  and  wall  plaster  can  be  done  also  as  teaching.      

JP:  I  would  not  invite  a  conservator  to  my  project  if  that  conservator  was  not  taking  students.      

FM:  The  problem  is  thinking  about  the  obligations  that  conservator  has  to  the  work,  to  the  site,  to  the  objects,  to  the  heritage  of  that  place.    It’s  a  full  time  job  to  train  so  if  you’re  responsible  for  doing  conservation  for  the  site  director  and  for  the  site  to  take  on  training  then  means  that  there  has  to  be  some  understanding  that  half  the  amount  of  work  will  occur  because  the  other  half  of  the  time  will  be  spent  in  training.    And  I  think  this  is  where  conservation  training  gets  into  very  big  trouble  and  I  would  even  say  that  all  the  examples,  every  time  I  hear  someone  say  well  we  have  conservation  training  on  our  site,  and  I  assume  in  your  case  you  meant  conservators  were  coming  or  did  you  mean  archaeologists  were  coming  to  experience  conservation?  So  you  had  conservation  students  coming?  

LEE  ANN  GORDON:  No,  they  were  undergraduate  archaeologists  who  were  getting  an  overview  of  what  conservation  involves.      

FM:  OK,  good,  I’m  glad.      JP:  That’s  what  most  field  schools  are.      LEE  ANN  GORDON:  But  it  is  exactly  what  you’re  saying.    I’m  the  sole  

conservator  there  and  it  takes  a  huge  amount  of  my  time  so  it  is  something  that  was  difficult,  I  think  that  the  directors  thought  they  were  going  to  get  more  work  done.    So  there’s  a  discussion,  that’s  not  the  scenario.      

FM:  And  remember,  I  did  say  in  my  presentation  that  I  think  you  should  not  run  a  project  without  training  and  research,  or  some  research  component.    But  to  

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the  point  I  was  going  to  make  which  is  I  think  one  of  the  messages  that  archaeologists  walk  away  with  when  they  only  see  conservation  in  the  field  is  it’s  a  group  of  plumbers.    And  I  don’t  think  they  really  get  the  opportunity  to  talk  about  the  theoretical,  the  research  questions,  the  theory  behind,  the  long  history  of  conservation.    That  takes  place  in  the  classroom.    You  can  try  to  do  it  in  the  field  but  the  field,  as  Cap  Sease  said,  planning  is  the  difference  between  a  disaster  and  a  bad  day.    You  have  no  time  to  really  indulge  in  some  of  the  things.    I  mean  what  Chris  presented  today  I  felt  was,  I  was  expecting  some  reaction.    I  think  it’s  very  provocative.    I  won’t  tip  my  hand  which  way  I  think  one  way  or  the  other  but  the  idea  of  justifying  excavation  for  the  greater  good  of  the  sustainability  of  the  site,  I  think  that’s  very  progressive  thinking  but  I  suspect  there  might  be  some  differences  of  opinion  on  that  because  we’ve  been  talking  very  much  now,  we  haven’t  gotten  our  heads  out  of  the  trenches.    The  question  that  often  comes  up  in  the  last  few  years  at  Gordion  and  many  sites  lately,  I’m  surprised  the  archaeologists  here  haven’t  mentioned,  is  how  much  more  responsibility  does  an  archaeologist  need  to  take  regarding  the  obligations  to  the  local  community,  to  the  environment,  to  single  handedly  archaeology  is  looked  at  as  raising  the  gross  national  product  of  any  country.    It  really  is  getting  incredibly  complicated  in  terms  of  satisfying  stakeholders,  being  responsible  for  economic  development,  so  on  and  so  forth.    These  are  things  I  think  are  part  of  any  kind  of  conservation  heritage  training.    They  rarely  get  discussed  in  the  field.      

EP:  I  completely  agree.    I  think  the  emphasis  in  the  field  in  terms  of  conservation  of  objects  is  getting  the  objects  out  safely  and  making  them  safe  as  it  were.    But  as  you  say,  there  isn’t  really  any  chance  to  discuss  the  wider  discipline  of  conservation,  the  philosophical  and  ethical  aspects.    And  that’s  largely  invisible  so  again  that  means  that  we’re  not  getting  enough  interaction.      

IK:  I  would  disagree.  It  depends  how  the  field  school  is  set.    If  it’s  an  archaeological  field  school  that  has  …      

WOMAN:  I’m  sorry,  I’m  not  talking  about  a  field  school,  I’m  just  talking  about  practice  in  the  field.      

WOMAN:  I  think  because  I  experienced  that  when  I  was  codirecting  this  project  in  Chile  we  had  an  archaeological  field  school  but  we  had  also  in  a  parallel  conservation  field  school  so  in  order  to  do  a  field  school,  it’s  like  an  8-­‐12  unit  course,  it  has  to  have  its  own  intellectual  research  merit.    So  once  you  structure  that  for  conservation,  you’re  able  to  provide  the  theory  of  conservation  or  the  things  that  normally  you  won’t  be  able  to  do  in  the  field  but  if  you’re  in  an  archaeological  field  school  and  you  are  the  sole  conservator  and  you  have  to  train  the  archaeology  students  within  that  realm  that  they  have  to  do  their  theoretical  thing  for  the  archaeological  site,  then  yes,  it  becomes  conservation  for  plumbers.    But  if  it’s  a  conservation  school  per  se,  it  gives  that  possibility  to  give  them  that  reading  

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material  to  devote  the  time,  even  if  you’re  in  the  field  to  still  benefit,  I’m  not  saying  it  substitutes  what  you  can  do  in  the  academic  year,  but  I  think  you  can  make  a  best  start  of  it,  if  it’s  a  dedicated  field  school  for  conservation.    And  students  can  be  archaeologists  obviously  because  that’s  the  target  group,  so  then  they  can  apply  but  then  they  will  learn  about  conservation  principles  and  methods.      

FM:  Sure,  but  I  suspect  the  more  typical  case  is  most  archaeologists  experience  conservation  in  the  field  with  a  single  conservator  and  perhaps  a  group  of  students  and  getting  back  to  the  point  of  the  session  today,  which  is  how  are  we  going  to  change  things,  I  think  we  change  them  by  bringing  them  back  to  education  where  they  are  instilled  at  an  earlier,  sooner  embedded  system.      

MAN:  from  Birmingham  Museum:  I  do  think  it’s  really  important  that  we  publish  with  the  archaeologists,  I  know  this  has  been  brought  up,  we  are  the  first  ones  to  be  culled  out  of  any  publication,  I  can  count  on  three  fingers  how  many  publications,  an  archaeological  journal  and  I  think  there’s  a  big  difference.    I  was  trained  as  an  archaeologist  and  then  moved  into  conservation.    There’s  a  difference  of  language  that  we  use  as  well,  which  often  has  barriers  between  the  two  of  us.    I  think  it  is  problematic.  I’ve  seen  archaeologists  and  conservators  who  have  conversations  where  they  clearly  walked  away  going  I  have  no  idea  what  that  person  was  talking  about.    Only  through  publication  and  being  seen  as  equal  specialists  as  well  along  with  the  ceramicists  and  the  bone  experts  that  we  can  achieve  them.      

FM:  I  nearly  fell  over  when  Harter  asked  us  to  contribute  essays  to  the  first  series  of  monographs  that  came  out  on  the  reopening  of  that  excavation.      

BR:  I  would  have  said  that  it’s  getting  more  and  more  common  jointly  authored  publications  with  archaeologists  and  conservators  working  hand  in  hand.    Certainly  we’ve  always  done  this  at  Troy  and  we’re  not  by  any  means  unique  so  you’re  right  it’s  not  happening  with  the  rapidity  with  which  it  should  happen  but  I  think  it’s  becoming  a  lot  more  common  than  ever  before.      

ANNA  SEROTA:  Ann  Serota  from  the  Metropolitan  Museum  of  Art.    I  think  an  interesting  area  of  intersection  of  conservation  goals  and  archaeologists’  goals  we’re  seeing  in  the  advent  of  new  digital  technology  and  the  implementation  of  new  imaging  techniques  and  things  like  this  to  our  work.    You  see  both  conservators  and  archaeologists  doing  things  with  photogrammetry  and  RTI  and  multispectral  imaging  and  in  my  opinion  that  might  be  a  fruitful  way  to  bring  people  together.    I’m  currently  helping  to  co-­‐plan  a  course  at  NYU  for  conservation  students,  IFA  students  and  Columbia  historic  preservation  students  on  the  integration  of  new  digital  technology  into  our  work  flow  and  I’m  wondering  if  anyone  has  any  thoughts  on  this,  on  the  utility  of  this,  what  might  be  included  and  if  this  type  of  course  may  answer  some  of  these  problems.      

ABP:  Ioanna  are  you  planning  a  similar  course?  

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IK:  I  have  one.      FM:  We  have  one  as  well.      MARC  WALTON:  I  love  this  analogy  of  plumbing  because  if  you’re  buying  a  

house  who  the  hell  cares  about  your  plumbing  inside  your  house,  you  just  walk  in  and  use  it.    So  having  the  conservators  just  do  the  plumbing  of  the  site,  an  archaeologist  will  never  care  about  that  sort  of  thing.    But  the  power  of  conservation,  and  I  speak  as  someone  who  has  trained  as  a  conservator,  I  abandoned  it  and  became  a  material  scientist,  is  that  it  has  an  interpretive  ability  and  that  interpretive  ability  to  put  an  object  in  context,  to  understand  it  deeper,  is  something  that  an  archaeologist  can  really  use.    So  the  actual  looking  at  the  object  is  in  the  real  house  of  the  conservator,  so  I’m  wondering  how  do  you  integrate  that  looking,  that  analysis,  the  disciplines  in    conservation  into  the  laboratory,  integrate  them  back  into  the  academic  field.      

ABP:  That’s  a  really  good  question.    I’ve  been  struggling  with  that  one  my  whole  career.      

EP:  Can  I  comment  on  that?    It  goes  back  to  a  comment  earlier  about  having  a  real  discussion  right  at  the  beginning  of  the  project  about  what  are  the  aims  of  the  project  and  including  the  conservators  at  that  stage  and  for  me  the  most  interesting  project  I  worked  on  was  a  project  in  Spain  working  on  wall  plaster  and  the  archaeologist  said  I  want  to  know  whether  this  wall  plaster  is  thoroughly  Roman,  this  was  an  apparently  Roman  site,  or  is  it  actually  very  much  influenced  by  local  practice.    In  other  words,  he  was  asking  the  question  how  Roman  was  this  Roman  site  and  for  me  that  was  a  really  interesting  question.    And  I  was  included  right  in  the  beginning  with  the  other  conservators  I  was  working  with  and  we  had  this  focus,  when  conserving  this  wall  plaster  we  needed  to  try  and  answer  this  question.    And  that  to  me  is  what  it  should  all  be  about.      

JP:  But  I  think  Marc’s  comment  is,  where  is  the  division  between  a  conservator  and  a  material  scientist  because  in  many  projects  we  do  have  ceramics  specialists  who  are  doing  all  sorts  of  analysis  like  petrographic  analysis,  we  have  all  sorts  of  metallurgical  specialists  who  are  doing  metallography  on  metal  objects.    And  these  specialists  are  part  and  parcel  of  the  project  from  the  very  beginning.    So  I  think  that’s  actually  happening.    I  don’t  think  that’s  something  that  is  a  problem  to  be  brought  back  into  the  field.    I’m  not  sure  if  you  need  a  conservator  to  do  that.    That’s  a  material  scientist  and  that’s  why  we  have,  I  mean  in  this  new  project  in  Greece,  just  to  publish  old  material  from  the  site  we  had  26  different  specialists.    And  they’re  there  from  the  beginning.    And  a  conservator,  our  conservator,  Vanessa,  was  involved  in  at  least  3  or  4  of  those  projects.      

FM:  Conservation  embraces  many  of  the  scientific  tools  to  answer  its  own  set  of  questions  but  it’s  precisely  at  the  beginning  when  archaeology  comes  clean  on  its  research  agenda,  conservation  can  suggest  where  those  research  questions  might  be  

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aided  or  shared  in  terms  of  their  own  and  then  you  can  get  some  really  interesting  things  happening.    If  we  were  at  a  conference  on  conservation  science,  I  think  there  would  be  some  objection  to  suggesting  that  a  material  scientist  actually  does  petrographic  analysis  of  ceramic  objects.    I  think  one  would  say  no,  a  petrographer  does,  not  a  material  scientist.    A  specialist  in  that  field.    And  very  often  archaeologists  become  petrographers  to  study  the  very  questions  they  want  to  know.    So  I  think  we  run  the  risk  in  many  areas  of  specialization  when  we  generalize  it.    It’s  true,  the  primary  objective  of  conservation  is  to  prolong  the  life  of  the  thing,  of  the  object,  of  the  place,  there  are  many  ways  to  get  there.    I  would  think  archaeometry  is  one  of  the  great  common  spaces,  common  ground  that  archaeologists  and  conservators  could  share  but  not  all  conservation  is  archaeometry  and  not  all  archaeology  is  archaeometry.      

JM:  That’s  another  important  gap.    For  example,  at  the  archaeometry  conferences  there  is  very  little  conservation  in  that  as  well  too.      

FM:  For  good  reason.    They’re  not  trained  as  conservators.      JM:  But  there  are  overlapping  interests.    For  example,  with  metals,  

understanding  metals,  understanding  deterioration,  that’s  all  again  part  of  understanding  the  technology  and  that  ties  in  with  the  reconstruction,  interpretation  of  debris  from  a  site.    So  I  very  much  agree  with  that  point.    

JM:  With  all  the  new  analytical  techniques  that  are  out  and  available,  scanning,  the  new  smaller  portable  units  for  XRF  and  XRD  in  the  field,  I  think  this  is  going  to  be  another  area  where  again  there  are  conservation  problems  that  can  be  answered  as  well  as  the  archaeometry  questions  that  could  be  answered  with  the  same  equipment.      

ABP:  What  about  making  a  brief  list  of  all  the  major  points  we’ve  touched  upon  so  far  in  this  workshop?    I’m  going  to  write  them  down.    So  let’s  summarize  some  of  the  suggestions,  recommendations  that  we’ve  been  making  so  far.    One  was  to  introduce  conservation  into  the  field  schools,  that’s  one  I  have  down,  what  were  some  of  the  other  recommendations?      

BR:  Well  I  was  recommending  a  special  skills  conservation  course,  an  intensive  conservation  course  for  archaeologists  in  the  summer,  possibly  three  weeks  long  or  something  of  that  sort.    Of  which  there  could  be  many.    One  wouldn’t  be  sufficient.      

TOM  ROBY:  What  would  you  think  would  be  a  good  focus  for  that  training?    Would  it  be  more  knowledge  of  materials  and  behavior  of  let’s  say  soils  and  landscape  or  would  it  also  include  something  like  also  conservation  planning.    I  mention  that  because  it  often  is  a  type  of  course  that  we’re  doing  for  site  directors  around  the  Mediterranean.      

BR:  I  think  that  would  be  more  valuable,  the  latter,  conservation  planning  because  that’s  the  sort  of  thing  that  many  of  us  still,  we’ve  now  gone  some  distance  

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in  our  fields  but  many  graduate  students  still  are  not  getting  this  in  the  course  of  their  graduate  education  and  so  doing  something  like  that  over  the  course  of  2  or  3  weeks  I  think  would  be  indispensable.      

IK:  One  of  the  courses  we  offer  at  UCLA  which  is  the  most  popular  among  archaeologists  is  issues  in  the  preservation  and  management  of  archaeological  and  cultural  sites.    And  it’s  extremely  popular  among  archaeologists.      

JP:  And  that’s  a  10-­‐week  course.      IK:  It  speaks  about  the  planning,  the  issues,  the  preservation  in  the  long-­‐

term.    It’s  elective  but  we  have  many  archaeology  students  that  take  this  class  together  with  the  conservation  students  which  is  really  nice.      

WOMAN:  That  sounds  really  valuable  because  it  sounds  like  it  includes  that  kind  of  site-­‐side  focus.      

IK:  And  it’s  a  seminar  so  students  can  discuss,  have  ideas,  and  then  they  have  to  make,  actually  Charlie  gave  a  lecture  about  that  and  I  think  the  students  really  appreciate  that  and  then  they  learn  and  they  have  to  develop  their  own  projects  and  have  to  give  a  presentation  first  and  identify  the  significance  and  values  of  sites  and  then  a  second  presentation  of  what  are  the  recommendations  for  sustainable  preservation  for  the  site.      

FM:  I  think  it’s  really  interesting  that  up  until  this  moment  I  think  when  the  word  conservation  was  used  most  assumed  it  was  material  focused  and  driven  and  that  is  in  fact  not  the  definition  nor  really  does  that  define  the  field.    But  I  think  that’s  the  reality  and  the  perception  on  an  archaeological  site.  And  even  if  you  choose  to  ignore  the  site  and  the  implications  and  responsibilities  of  digging  that  site,  if  you  even  just  think  of  an  object  there  are  responsibilities  that  embrace  everything  from  pre-­‐planning  to  preventive  conservation  which  includes  environment,  the  outcome,  the  fate,  the  interpretation,  who  owns  it,  all  of  those  things  are  part  of  what  we  just  defined  but  yet  we  have  been  so  fixated,  and  I  think  this  is  the  history  of  our  problem,  we’ve  been  so  fixated  on  the  materiality  and  what  we  do  to  a  thing  that  we’ve  completely  shot  ourselves  in  the  foot.    And  the  field  doesn’t  define  itself  that  way  anymore.      

JP:  Marc’s  point  is  actually  an  important  one  because  I  think  business  management,  and  in  some  cases  international  law,  is  just  as  important  as  material  science  in  the  training  of  an  archaeologist.      

EP:  Can  I  just  say  that’s  why  we  introduced  an  MA  in  principles  of  conservation,  now  that’s  not  aimed  specifically  at  archaeologists  but  it’s  to  bring  in  all  these  things,  the  much  larger  picture  as  you  were  saying.    And  also  I  would  add  we  have  a  companion  MA  which  can  be  taken  as  an  option  in  site  conservation  with  all  the  management  and  so  on  issues.    The  whole  of  the  subject  area  has  expanded  so  much  and  that  again  makes  it  very  complicated  to  allow  everybody  to  get  a  bit  of  everything.      

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ABP:  I  came  into  this  workshop  today  thinking  that  it  would  be  more  of  a  50/50  split  down  the  middle,  viewing  problems  on  both  sides  of  the  fence.    We  seem  to  be  concentrating  primarily  on  introducing  conservation  to  the  archaeologist  and  not  vice  versa  so  perhaps  conservators  are  getting  plenty  of  archaeology  training  and  they’re  not  lacking  in  knowledge  they  need  to  work  with  the  archaeologist  overall.    It  sounds  like  the  conservation  students  at  UCLA  and  UCL,  if  they  don’t  already  have    knowledge  of  archaeology,  then  they  have  to  acquire  it  during  the  program.    Is  this  the  case?      

EP:  At  an  earlier  stage  in  the  discussion  I  was  going  to  say  that  I  think  some  conservators  haven’t  had  enough  experience  of  working  as  conservators  on  site,  they  may  have  an  archaeological  background,  but  I  think  it’s  rather  different  that  they  need  to  keep  in  mind  the  aims  of  the  excavation  and  not  hold  up  the  excavation  for  days  on  end  while  doing  a  complicated  conservation  process.    The  team  working  is  essential.      

JP:  And  the  other  thing  that  we  have  not  really  discussed  is  that  the  professional  big  funded  dig  is  the  exception,  it’s  not  the  rule.    In  most  countries  it’s  rescue  excavation  and  that’s  most  of  the  archaeology  in  most  countries  of  origin  and  there  you’ve  got  landowners,  bulldozers  breathing  down  the  throat  and  that  creates  a  whole  different  thing.    Forget  the  conservation.    It  becomes  this  incredible  pressure  and  how  do  we  come  to  grips  with  that?    That’s  the  reality.      

KS:  At  the  moment  you  say  forget  the  conservation,  that’s  where  you  say  OK,  how  can  we  best  use  our  knowledge  of  materials  and  things  to  save  as  much  as  we  possibly  can  and  those  of  my  generation  we’re  laboring  under  a  lot  of  bad  attitude  toward  conservators  by  archaeologists  because  there  are  many  generations  of  conservators  who  say  no  you  can’t  do  that,  this  is  going  to  take  six  months.    As  soon  as  a  conservator  says  something  like  that  then  they’re  out  of  the  dialogue.    They’ve  excused  themselves  from  the  room.    And  I  think  what  conservators,  we  have  a  little  catching  up  to  do  still,  but  making  sure  that  what  we  recommend  is  practical  and  what  we  recommend  fits  and  suits  the  site  and  suits  the  needs  of  the  archaeologists.    It’s  all  about  getting  that  communication  going  between  archaeologists  and  conservators,  especially  early  on.      

ABP:  From  the  very  beginning.      KS:  I  had  the  opportunity  a  few  years  ago,  a  small  opportunity,  to  teach  

courses  at  Bilkent  University,  it’s  an  English  language  university  in  Ankara,  Turkey,  to  teach  conservation  to  archaeology  undergrads,  14  weeks.    This  is  good.    And  the  other  one  that  I  got  to  do,  and  imagine  such  a  thing,  I  was  teaching  a  kind  of  introduction  to  archaeometry,  it  was  like  science  and  archaeology  to  mix  science  students  and  archaeology  students.    We  have  both  in  the  same  class  at  the  same  time.  You  can  do  this  and  you  kind  of  have  to  dumb  certain  things  down.      

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JP:  But  you  can  do  it  in  Turkey  where  there  are  archaeology  courses.    This  was  my  point.    And  that’s  really  in  all  of  Europe  and  in  the  rest  of  the  English  speaking  world,  that  is  reality.    There  are  archaeology  departments.      

STEVE  KOOB:  What’s  the  holdup  that  prevents  it  from  being  introduced  into  an  art  history  department?    I  don’t  see  the  necessity  that  you  have  to  have  an  undergraduate  degree  in  archaeology  to  provide  courses  like  this  or  even  conservation  courses.    I  mean,  it  should  be  available  for  others.  

WOMAN:  A  thought  on  the  undergraduate  experience.    I  am  currently  a  law  student  at  De  Paul  University  but  I  had  my  undergraduate  in  classics  and  archaeology  experience  in  two  summers  and  I’m  curious,  I  don’t  know  if  institutionally  it’s  difficult,  but  for  a  graduate  program  you  have  these  requirements  for  languages  in  art  history,  is  it  possible  to  include  science  courses  in  the  future  to  try  and  start  this  institutional  change  and  some  knowledge  at  least  on  conservation  and  material  sciences.      

FM:  So  add  that  as  part  of  the  graduate  training?      WOMAN:  Well  require  it  for  undergraduate  program  as  opposed  to  trying  to  

shove  that  into  your  graduate  degree  since  you  have  so  little  time,  make  that  part  of  the  undergraduate  experience.    Med  students  have  certain  courses  they  know  they  have  to  meet  to  get  into  medical  school.    Perhaps  try  something  similar  where,  it  would  take  time,  but  change  the  admission  requirements  for  certain  graduate  programs.    Say  we’d  like  to  see  some  of  this  also  so  that  you’ve  got  perhaps  some  foundation  as  opposed  to  trying  to  compensate  later  on  down  the  road,  early  on  in  their  education.      

FM:  You’re  talking  about  for  archaeologists  or  for  conservators?      WOMAN:  Perhaps  both.      FM:  Well  conservators  already  have  prerequisites.    That’s  an  old  

requirement.      WOMAN:  Yeah,  for  archaeologists.      JP:  Archaeologists  also  have  prerequisites,  I’m  sorry.    It’s  not  as  if  they  don’t.    

In  fact  I’m  glad  you  mentioned  De  Paul  because  I  think  one  of  the  really  great  people  there  is  Patty  Gerstonblith  and  the  sort  of  things  that  she  represents  in  terms  of  legal  avocation.    I  mean  Nancy  could  probably  speak  to  that  as  a  past  president  of  the  AIA,  so  could  Brian  more  than  others  that  this  is  in  fact  such  an  important  component  of  saving  archaeological  sites  and  landscapes.      

FM:  And  it’s  just  as  important  as  conservation  I  would  say  and  equally  complex.      

JP:  And  that’s  why  I’m  saying  it’s  not  a  binary  thing  between  archaeology  and  conservation.    It  involves  much  more  than  that.      

WOMAN:  I  would  argue  that  the  definition  of  what  is  an  archaeologist  has  to  change.    That  we  have  to  have  a  much  broader  based  education.    You  mentioned  

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business  school,  once  you  get  to  the  point  of  managing  these  projects,  what  background  do  archaeologists  have  in  fundraising,  in  managing?      

JP:  None!    You  develop  it.      WOMAN:  You  have  lots  of  background  in  being  able  to  tell  Late  Helladic  3B  

from  Late  Helladic  3C.      JP:  But  if  you  don’t  raise  the  megabucks,  you’re  not  going  to  go  anywhere.      WOMAN:  That’s  right.    So  maybe  we  need  to  be  thinking  about  what  is  the  

training  that  someone  who  wants  to  be  the  director  of  an  archaeological  project  needs  as  opposed  to  the  archaeologist  who  is  actually  working  hands-­‐on  on  the  site  on  a  day  to  day  basis.    Because  I  think  we’ve  reached  the  point  where  we’re  all  at  the  Peter  Principle,  we’ve  reached  the  highest  level  of  our  competence  and  trying  to  do  the  best  we  can  by,  we  all  have  little  bits  of  knowledge  of  conservation  and  geomorphology,  of  the  law,  all  of  these  things  but  none  of  us  were  ever  trained  in  that.    We  are  trying  to  learn  it  on  the  job.      

CHRIS  RATTÉ:  I  just  wanted  to  say  (and  it  pains  me  to  say  this),  but  I  think  one  of  the  answers  is  that  archaeologists  have  to  relinquish  some  authority.    Now  that  we  all  embrace  the  idea  of  site  management,  now  that  we  all  embrace  involvement  of  local  stakeholders  and  so  on,  the  old  fashioned  idea  that  the  director  is  the  king  and  master  of  all  trades  and  so  on  at  the  site,  it’s  just  not  possible.    So  as  Frank  was  saying,  there’s  just  got  to  be  more  in  the  way  of  sharing  authority  with  the  people  who  have  these  different  kinds  of  expertise.      

WOMAN:  But  you  have  to  have  the  vocabulary  first  so  that  you  can  have  the  conversation  and  until  you  get  that  vocabulary  you  can’t  even  talk  to  a  geologist  because  they  have  no  clue  what  you’re  talking  about  and  you  might  not  understand  what  they’re  talking  about,  for  example.    So  where  in  our  academic  curriculum  do  we  provide  that  kind  of  interface  and  that  kind  of  training?    I  don’t  see  it  happening  in  most  of  the  programs  in  the  US.      

WOMAN:  My  Master’s  program  starts  in  August  in  Greece  next  year  in  heritage  management.    So  I  wonder  has  heritage  management  held  us  between  the  two  subjects  to  bridge  them  again.    We  talk  about  art  courses  to  fit  into  historical  studies???      

JP:  Which  program  in  Greece?      WOMAN:  It’s  a  new  program,  it’s  been  around  four  years,  it’s  a  joint  venture  

between  the  Athens  University  Economic  and  Business  and  the  University  of  Kent  which  is  their  archaeology  programs.    And  everything  that  I  hear  from  you  guys  is  everything  a  heritage  manager  would  focus  on  to  a  point.      

FM:  Well  the  program  that  you  say  is  relatively  new  is  just  one  of  hundreds  that  reflect  this  shift  in  terms  of  what’s  going  on.    Now  the  problem  is  heritage  is  a  very  big  category.    The  old  paradigm  is  to  manage  something  you  have  to  know  the  something.    So  it  assumed  that  if  you  were  an  archaeologist  you  could  manage  

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archaeological  sites.    We  now  know  that  that’s  not  necessarily  true.    I  actually  still  believe,  I  do  believe  to  manage  something  well  it  would  be  a  good  idea  to  know  about  that  thing.    But  there  are  many  programs  and  there’s  an  argument  to  be  made  that  management  is  not  an  innate  ability,  it’s  something  that  can  be  learned  and  knowing  all  the  parts  that  go  into  it  are  something  that  can  be  learned  as  well.    So  the  thing  is  heritage  is  such  a  nebulous  and  difficult,  it’s  a  slippery  slope  in  terms  of  what’s  out  there,  I  would  hope  that  in  this  training  it  will  be  focused  on  classes  of  heritage  that  make  them  distinct  and  different  and  therefore  change  their  management  style.    But  what  you  describe  is  exactly  the  paradigm  shift  that’s  happening  that  was  addressing  your  point.    But  I  think  it’s  happening.    Getty’s  been  talking  about  conservation  management  plans  for  a  decade.    The  problem  is  nobody  knows  what  they  really  mean  or  what  they  look  like  on  the  ground  and  I  think  that’s  why  we’re  here  today  which  is  to  say  it  probably  needs  some  formal  education  thrown  at  it.    It’s  not  just  going  to  happen  because  you  want  it  to  happen  or  because  you  read  a  book  or  because  you  hire  a  Wharton  graduate  who  knows  business.    It’s  not  going  to  happen.      

EP:  What  we’re  talking  about  somewhat  parallels  with  what’s  happened  over  the  last  say  20  years  in  museums  where  the  shift  from  the  specialist  curator  whose  subject  was  18th  century  ceramics  to  a  museum  of  studies  training  which  embraced  many  of  the  things  that  we’ve  been  talking  about  so  are  we  looking  at  something  a  lot  more  like  that  which  also  embraces  how  to  run  an  excavation  and  how  to  fundraise  and  all  those  things.    And  I  would  like  to  add  that  just  because  we  are  in  a  Department  of  Archaeology  doesn’t  actually  give  us  any  great  advantages  because  the  archaeologists  and  the  conservators  still  tend  to  work  somewhat  separately.    We  don’t  engage  as  much  as  I  would  like  to  see  and  I  think  it  is  because  we  are  all  pursuing,  it’s  partly  the  academic  structure,  but  I  don’t  think  the  lack  of  an  archaeological  department  is  the  major  problem.    I  think  the  fact  that  you  seem  to  see  us  as  having  major  advantages,  I  don’t  think  we  do.    I  think  it’s  a  shift  in  the  way  we  deal  with  archaeology  and  conservation.      

JP:  Well  I  think  the  sort  of  course  that  John  was  teaching  at  the  undergraduate  level  was  something  that  I’m  certainly  envious  of  and  that  would  go  a  long  way  in  resolving  a  lot  of  the  difficulties  we  have  in  this  country.      

EP:  But  it’s  not  compulsory.    I  would  have  liked  to  see  it  as  compulsory  for  all  our  undergraduates  and  I  agree  with  Steve,  I  don’t  see  why  that  kind  of  course  couldn’t  be  introduced  even  in  an  institution  that  doesn’t  have  a  specialist  archaeological  training.      

JP:  Well  I  can  tell  you  many  reasons.    Like  in  the  Department  of  Classics,  for  example,  if  push  comes  to  shove  and  there’s  a  position  up  for  grabs,  it’s  going  to  be  somebody  doing  the  use  of  the  subjunctive  in  Herodotus  or  in  Libby,  not  somebody…      

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EP:  We  are  having  exactly  the  same  problems  in  archaeology  and  conservation  apparently  embedded  ,  if  there’s  a  position  vacant,  it’s  a  real  fight  to  have  another  material  scientist  or  another  conservator.    So  I’m  afraid  it’s  the  same  everywhere.      

WOMAN:  I  think  maybe  we  could  push  more,  for  example,  a  lot  of  rote  undergraduate  degrees  require  that  you  take  a  science  course,  that  you  take  credits  in  ethics  or  other  things  like  that.  Could  we  maybe  make  a  push  for  being  part  of  the  archaeology  department  or  the  anthropology  department  which  includes  all  four  subjects  in  the  US.    Do  something  with  art  classes,  let’s  say,  you  can  get  your  science  credit  by  taking  a  class  that  is  material  science  or  conservation  science  for  archaeologists  or  for  anthropologists,  so  you  do  get  credits  for  that  and  maybe  heritage  site  management  or  ethics  within  archaeology  or  conservation.      

JP:  But  within  the  structure  of  most  US  universities,  where  would  that  person  who  teaches  that  course  reside?      

BR:  Are  you  talking  about  undergraduate  or  graduate  education?      WOMAN:  Mostly  undergraduate.    It  wouldn’t  be  anything  that  would  make  

you  an  expert  but  at  least  introducing  the  topic  so  that  it  puts  you  as  an  undergraduate  you’re  talking  about  larger  issues  that  you  would  have  to  have  an  education  in  anyway  but  they  are  now  pertaining  and  using  the  language  of  your  chosen  field  of  study.      

IK:  The  courses  we  taught  at  UCLA  that  they  were  open  to  undergraduate  anthropology  students  they  could  take  credit  for  it.    So  the  class  was  offered  through  the  conservation  program  but  it  had  an  undergraduate  component.    And  the  anthropology  allowed  the  students  to  rack  up  the  credits  for  that  class  they  took,  so  it  contributed  towards  one  of  their  core  courses  that  they  were  supposed  to  get  for  graduation.    So  I  think  it  depends  on  the  departments,  how  the  structure  of  the  university  and  how  flexible  that  is  and  whether  you  have  that  person  who  can  offer  that  course.    I  think  that’s  where  the  problem  lies.    Who’s  going  to  teach  that  class.      

JM:  It’s  really  very  much  reaching  a  threshold  where  there  are  enough  staff  with  specialisms  that  people  can  provide  some  of  these  courses  in  some  of  these  topics.    At  the  Institute,  we  have  tried  some  experimental  courses  that  have  lasted  a  few  years  and  we’ve  stopped  them.    But  what’s  successful  of  course  continues.    And,  for  example,  conservation  to    quick  followup  to  these  points  about  requirements.    Conservation  has  changed  so  much  in  the  years  that  I’ve  been  at  the  Institute  as  well  too.    We  no  longer  have  one  year  of  undergraduate  chemistry  as  a  requirement  to  get  in  the  course.    Liz  was  very  careful  as  she  phrased  what  the  requirement  is.    And  the  reason  on  that  is  that  there’s  a  shift  away  from  simply  material  science  in  conservation  and  we  have  such  a  wide  range  of  activities  it  seems  a  shame  to  exclude  someone  with  interests  in  conservation  because  they  haven’t  done  one  aspect.    They  could  be  very  strong  in  law  or  some  other  aspect  like  that.    We’ve  

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included  conservation  in  the  law,  for  example,  as  one  of  the  topics  by  a  conservator  who  is  now  specializing  in  that  area.      

BR:  I  have  to  go.      WOMAN:  I  think  the  point  you  raised  about  having  courses  that  fulfill  other  

requirements  of  an  undergraduate  education  and  I  think  at  the  University  of  Delaware  where  they  have  an  undergraduate  degree  in  conservation,  some  of  their  science  classes  fulfill  that  very  basic  undergraduate  degree.    They’ve  made  a  science  class  that’s  specific  to  conservation  but  it’s  still  covering  whatever  the  chemistry,  like  you  can  take  Intro  Chem.    I  think  those  things  are  possible.    For  a  physical  science,  I  took  intro  to  anthropology  or  cultural  evolution  or  something  as  undergrad  that  in  my  archaeology  training  counted  for  science.    I  think  you  could  do  that  moving  towards  conservation  as  well  but  the  point  is  who’s  going  to  teach  it  and  that  leads  into  my  next  comment  that  there  were  many  conversations  in  the  conservation  community  last  year  at  the  AIC  and  in  a  meeting  there  was  a  room  with  I  think  over  60  people  who  were  there  because  they  teach  their  conservators  that  work  at  museums,  private  institutions,  whatever,  and  they  teach  an  undergraduate  class  here  or  there,  they’re  not  permanent  faculty  but  there  are  tons  of  conservators  teaching  right  now.      

ABP:  What  about  the  idea  of  traveling  lecturers?    Instead  of  having  to  hire  someone  onto  the  faculty.      

JP:  Itinerant    ABP:  They  can  travel  from  program  to  program.      JP:  Who’s  going  to  pay  for  that?      ABP:  The  Mellon  Foundation,  we  could  approach  them.      JP:  Or  the  Getty  Conservation  Institute.      JM:  I’m  going  to  add  quickly  the  reverse  of  that  as  well  too  is  when  faculty  

members  are  pushed  into  doing  something  for  which  they’re  not  qualified  and  there  are  examples  like  that  where  there’s  a  need  in  a  department  for  conservation  and  maybe  someone  because  they’ve  done  science  in  archaeology  they’re  really  not  qualified  to  do  a  conservation  course.    There  are  other  professionals  that  are  out  there  that  can.      

WOMAN:  I  want  to  make  a  quick  suggestion.    If  you  wanted  to  include  more  in  a  PhD  program  level,  qualifying  exams  are  a  really  good  way  to  kind  of  open  up  what  students  experience  and  so  in  lieu  of  an  ancient  language  maybe  they  would  allow  students  to  take  a  qualifying  exam  in  conservation,  I  did  it  for  legal  issues,  not  that  I  didn’t  enjoy  (      ).    But  I  was  really  grateful  to  be  able  to  substitute  it.    So  that  might  be  a  possibility.      

ABP:  Well  this  might  be  a  good  point  to  start  talking  about  the  possibility  of  perhaps  bringing  up  the  idea  of  establishing  a  working  group  that  might  work  on  these  issues  in  the  course  of  this  new  year,  perhaps  with  a  followup  workshop  at  the  

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next  annual  meeting.    I’m  not  committing  myself  to  anything  but  I  think  it  would  be  a  great  idea  for  those  of  us  here  who  might  be  interested  in  participating  in  such  a  working  group  or  at  least  being  informed  as  to  what’s  going  on  in  the  working  group,  perhaps  making  suggestions.    I  did  want  to  pass  around  a  couple  of  sheets  if  people  are  interested  you  can  just  sign  up  with  your  name  and  email  address  on  the  sheet  because  I  think  there’s  a  lot  of  work  involved  in  just  hammering  out,  trying  to  summarize  what  we’ve  all  said  today  and  where  to  go  from  here.    I’ll  start  with  you  if  you’re  interested,  no  obligation  of  course.      

TOM  ROBY:  One  more  question  for  the  panelists.    Mainly  for  those  who  are  representing  UCLA  and  UCL  where  I  think  we  have  representatives  that  are  both  involved  in  education  of  archaeologists  and  conservators,  I’m  wondering  whether,  my  concern  is  I  think  again  as  with  Brian,  we’re  trying  to  put  too  much  on  the  plate  of  the  archaeologists  and  their  training,  whether  they’re  getting  conservation,  we’re  also  trying  to  put  too  much  on  the  plate  and  I’m  interested  to  hear  comments  particularly  from  Ioanna  at  UCLA  where  I  think  more  than  other  programs  is  an  attempt  to  deal  both  with  objects,  archaeological  objects.      

IK:  Let’s  hope  that  the  students  will  not  go  and  make  a  lawsuit  against  me  at  some  point!    Because  the  credits  that  they’re  required  for  conservation  students  for  graduation  are  beyond  and  above.    We’ve  had  problems  even  to  pass  it  through  the  system  of  Graduate  Division.    There  are  so  many  units  but  we  couldn’t  exclude  anything.    Oh,  they  need  this,  they  need  this,  so  in  the  end  we  ended  up  with  an  overwhelming  curriculum  even  with  the  new  one,  we  just  launched  a  new  curriculum  this  year  and  the  way  we  did  it  was  to  offer  a  PhD  degree  and  see  how  we  can  adapt  this  current  curriculum  by  making  some  optional  classes  rather  than  have  everything  compulsory  if  we’re  going  to  have  different  majors.    But  this  is  at  the  very  sort  of  beginning  of  discussions  but  yeah  we  offer  a  very  overwhelming  curriculum  that  spans  across  different  disciplines.    And  because  we  are  an  interdepartmental  degree  program  and  we  are  not  a  department,  we  have  the  flexibility  to  take  people  from  around  campus  in  other  disciplines,  more  traditional  disciplines  and  that’s  interdisciplinary.      

TOM  ROBY:  Are  your  graduates  finding  employment?      IK:  I  think  we  have  done  really  well.    So  far,  I  think  our  students  are  all  very  

well  placed.    The  problem  is  that  even  conservation  now  is  saturating  the  market  so  you  need  to  start  looking  what’s  the  new  open  niche,  where  can  you  expand  and  actually  in  February  we  have  a  meeting,  the  conservation  programs  in  North  America,  to  discuss  the  future  of  our  programs  and  what  degrees  we  should  offer  and  how  we  should  do  it  and  coordinate  a  little  bit  better.    But  it’s  definitely  an  issue  and  something  that  we’re  all  concerned  with  and  how  the  students  are  going  to  be  employable  and  where.      

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JM:  At  UCL  there’s  new  MSC  programs,  as  MA  programs  develop,  these  are  specialisms  that  again  are  distinct  from  archaeological  conservation,  so  site  management  is  another  MSC,  forensics  is  another  MSC.    There  are  some  areas  of  overlap  and  students  do  have  some  ability  to  do  options  within  the  different  programs  but  there’s  a  core  for  each  one  of  those  Master’s  degrees.        

EP:  There  are  MA  in  principles  of  conservation  and  the  MSC  in  conservation  for  museums  have  been  running  now  for  about  10  years  and  I  think  didn’t  say  but  I’m  now  retired  so  I’m  not  really  speaking  for  the  rest  of  the  team  but  I  think  the  move  is  to  now  to  review  them  and  review  them  in  the  light  of  what’s  happened  in  the  last  10  years  to  conservation  and  should  some  of  that  change  develop  in  different  directions.      

FM:  Maybe  to  look  at  it  from  the  other  direction.    I  know  with  the  more  sanctioned  professions  like  engineering,  architecture,  medicine,  divinity  there  are  recognized  boards  and  organizations  that  identify  what  the  requisite  body  of  knowledge  is  which  then  informs  the  curricula  for  programs.    If  a  group  like  AIA  said  this  is  required,  some  knowledge  of  conservation  is  required  in  the  training  of  anyone  who  sets  foot  running  an  archaeological  site,  the  power  of  the  AIA  and  the  AIC  and  other  groups  could  then  begin  to  put  pressure  on  federal  government,  on  funding,  institutions  to  say  you  should  not  hire  someone  without  these  credentials  because  their  program  required  this  in  the  curriculum.    I  think  that’s  the  other  way  to  do  it.    It  works  for  the  other  professions.    It  certainly  could  work.    Conservation  is  a  bit  stalled  at  the  moment  on  this  but  for  archaeology  since  AIA  is  a  content  specialty  group  that  would  be  a  good  place  for  it  to  come.      

NANCY  WILKIE:  The  AIA  has  had  these  discussions  over  the  years  and  we  have  shied  away  from  becoming  a  credentialing  organization;  but  there  is  an  organization  in  the  United  States  called  the  Register  of  Professional  Archaeologists,  RPA,  that  partially  serves  this  function.  To  become  an  RPA  you  do  have  to  meet  certain  criteria—you  have  to  have  at  least  a  Master’s  degree,  you  have  to  have  a  certain  amount  of  field  experience,  you  have  to  have  written  a  dissertation  or  major  publication  that  shows  that  you  can  incorporate  many  different  aspects  into  your  archaeological  research.    Many  states  now  require  contract  archaeologists  to  be  RPA’s.  RPA  has  taken  over  that  function  because  archaeologists  can  be  sued  if  they  don’t  do  things  properly.    Some  of  the  lawsuits  that  have  come  before  RPA  have  been  things  like  not  paying  the  Social  Security  of  their  employees  so  it’s  not  just  bad  practice,  archaeological  practice,  it’s  bad  business  practice  as  well.    So  I  think  that  you  could  approach  RPA  and  get  RPA  to  change  some  of  the  wording  of  the  standards  that  RPA’s  have  to  meet.    I  was  on  the  committee  that  wrote  the  standards  for  RPA  years  ago  and  at  the  time  we  only  had  about  600-­‐700  RPA’s  in  the  United  States.    Now  there  are  more  than  2,000  and  they’re  registering  several  hundred  a  year.    As  a  matter  of  fact  there’s  a  booth  here  and  we  encourage  you  to  stop  at  their  

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booth  and  get  their  literature.    They’re  trying  to  get  more  AIA  members  to  become  RPA’s.  The  AIA  was  a  founding  member  when  it  was  called  SOPA—Society  of  Professional  Archaeologists.  Then  it  became  ROPA—Register  of  Professional  Archaeologists.  When  people  began  making  fun  of  this  SOPA/  ROPA  thing,  we  thought  OK,  we’ll  just  go  to  RPA  and  keep  it  at  that.    The  AIA  not  only  was  a  founding  member  of  RPA,  but  we  also  contribute  a  lot  of  money  to  it,  so  it’s  in  our  interest  to  get  AIA  members  to  become  Registered  Professional  Archaeologists  because  a  lot  of  the  dues  of  our  members  goes  toward  supporting  RPA.    RPA  needs  the  support  because  if  there  is  a  lawsuit  against  an  RPA,  they  will  undertake  it.    The  AIA  has  shied  away  from  credentialing  anybody  because  of  this  legal  problem.    So  we  basically  put  that  on  the  back  of  RPA.      

EP:  But  could  AIA  make  recommendations  as  to  the  range?      NANCY  WILKIE:  Oh  yes,  Andrew  Moore  currently  is  our  representative  on  

the  RPA  board.    The  RPA  board  consists  of  representatives  from  the  Society  for  American  Archaeology,  the  Society  for  Historical  Archaeology,  and  the  Archaeological  Institute  of  America.  There  are  about  5  or  6  organizations  that  have  a  representative  on  the  board  and  so  we  have  a  lot  of  power.    You  just  need  to  have  somebody  set  an  agenda  that  we  can  push.    So  this  is  a  good  forum  for  getting  them  to  include  conservation  as  a  part  of  their  credentialing  process.      

EP:  We  have  managed  to  achieve  accreditation  of  conservators  in  the  UK.    It  took  a  very  long  time  for  all  the  reasons,  particularly  the  legal  reasons.    But  that  has  defined  what  the  conservator  should  be,  the  range  of  skills  and  knowledge  that  a  conservator  should  have.    It  also  recognizes  specialisms  within  conservation,  so  preventive  conservation.      

NANCY  WILKIE:  The  RPA  tried  that  when  it  was  ROPA.    It  had  specialties  and  you  could  become  a  Registered  Professional  Archaeologist  and  then  list  various  specialties  that  you  had  to  prove  that  you  were  competent  in  and  trained  in.    That  became  just  a  nightmare  to  administer  because  you  had  to  have  someone  who  could  say  this  person’s  trained  in  conservation,  this  person’s  trained  in  field  work,  this  person’s  trained  in  archaeozoology,  or  whatever  specialty  that  we  were  coming  up  with.  So  when  the  last  revision  of  their  standards  was  put  in  place  they  got  rid  of  all  these  specialties  because  the  concern  was  not  so  much  that  RPA  wanted  to  be  a  credentialing  organization  as  it  wanted  to  be  an  organization  that  encouraged  the  highest  standards  and  best  practices  and  ethical  practices  in  archaeology.  By  making  these  other  requirements  for  specialties  within  RPA,  people  were  shying  away  from  joining.  Once  we  opened  it  up  and  said  the  main  commitment  you  have  to  make  is  that  you  will  not  do  archaeological  work  that  you  are  not  qualified  for,  the  number  of  members  rose  dramatically.      

EP:  Well  yes  in  a  sense  that’s  what  we’ve  done.    You  are  an  accredited  conservator  but  the  organization  recognizes  that  some  people  might  have  strengths  

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in  one  area.    I’m  an  accredited  conservator  from  my  teaching  and  training  and  managerial  aspects  but  I’m  labeled  in  the  same  way  as  any  other  accredited  conservator.    So  it  can  be  done.    It  is  difficult  but  it  can  be  done.      

ABP:  Are  there  any  other  questions,  comments?    I’d  like  to  thank  our  panelists  for  coming  and  braving  the  horrible  weather.    It’s  very  much  appreciated.    This  has  been  a  very  beneficial  workshop  session  and  it  gives  us  lots  of  food  for  thought.    Hopefully  some  of  you  have  signed  up  for  the  working  group  so  we  can  pursue  these  ideas  further  and  try  to  get  somewhere,  try  to  come  up  with  some  means  to  include  more  conservation  where  it’s  needed.    Also  I  wanted  to  thank  the  co-­‐organizers,  Steve  Koob,  Tom  Roby  and  unfortunately  our  other  co-­‐organizer,  Claudia  Chemello  didn’t  manage  to  make  it  over,  she  was  stranded  in  Charlotte,  North  Carolina  for  20  hours,  could  not  get  a  flight  and  had  to  turn  around  and  go  home.    So  she  was  very  disappointed  not  to  be  able  to  come.    But  she  also  contributed  in  a  big  way  to  today’s  workshop.    So  is  there  anything  else  we  want  to  say?      

Everyone:  THANK  YOU