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Volume 4 Issue 2 Published by Lee Thevenet March/April, 2012
HORSELESS CARRIAGE REPLICANEWSLETTERA Publ ication dedicated to the reporting of news, events, articles, photos, i tems for
sale, etc, having to do with replica horseless carriages.Newsletter published six times a year and special issues when needed.
From the
Editor
Hi everyone,Come On!, Come On!,
Come On! all you Central StatesHCR Builders, its time again for thePre War Swap Meet in Chickasha,OK. I certainly look forward to th isevent each year. If you are seriousthis year about building that HCR,meet me there, Ill help you find t hat just right part . This is the place toget those special parts to bui ld orcomplete an HCR build. If you areplanning on building a full size CDO,
Ford N, REO or T Speedster, partsas lights, wheels, differentials, axles, steering components and more can befound at the Pre War Meet. Want to save a bit o f money & have a vacation aswell, come join the HCR gang. Bring your jacket, because the Oklahomamorning air in March is a bit chi lly. I have added a map to help thoseinterested.
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In This Issue Page
From the Editor.....1Ford Model N....2
Irene...3-4
Making Spring Shackles...5-7X-Word.7
I just Love This Hobby8-11
Merging Of Two Hobbies..12A Winter Project...13-16
In Closin ..17
Ford Model NIn Progress
By
Al lan Barr
My story starts when I saw a picture of the Ford Model N on theinternet. Being rather taken with it, I set about looking for plans to build thecarriage. I found the plans from Lee Thevenet, and set about to build one.Being limited in available parts, I used a Ford Tchassis and dif ferential, front axles, springs andwheels. I bought a Model T engine which I stripped &rebuilt. The bonnet & side bonnet doors are made
from aluminum. I used a 12 volt system for indicatorlights, also I have added brass headlights, s ide lights ,windscreen frame & top. I would have preferred to usea genuine N-engine but none was available. I foundthe plans excellent to fo llow, and it took less than ayear to build the Model N replica carriage. It is agreat litt le car, and I am hoping to register it soon &drive it on the road.Al lan
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Irene
ByTerry Beasley
I started my CDO build in late July,2011 and finished her on October 30, 2011. Iam guessing, about 350 hours to tal. I reallyenjoyed working with HCRs CDO Plans andappreciated the help that came with them. Iwould recommend this pro ject for anyonewho has a little mechanical & woodworking
skill.
I named her Irene because herbody was built using generator power duringthe aftermath of Hurricane Irene . She ispowered by a Kohler 20 HP V-Twin, uses afive speed transmission out of a Honda 13-38 Mower. She roll s on 21 Dirt Bike Wheels.
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Besides her bright red and gold Olds s ide badge, she also sports a replica
leather license plate showing the year she represents.
Her shiny new paint isDupont Nason base coat / clearcoat paint & appl ied really easy.Her body & chassis decals weremade by a major fire truck decalsupplier that I deal with out of23K gold leaf and tu rned outamazing. Thinking Safety FirstI installed disc brakes on the rearwheels. I purchased a brake kit
from buyatvpartsonline.com.The kit came with mastercylinder, flex stainless bradedlines and calipers fill ed with fluid.
A few short shake down t rips around my yard and driveway, then of fon her firs t maiden voyage around the neighborhood and I am happy to reportthat all went well. She performed well and was smooth and quiet.
My first parade was in my home town on November 19thand several more in
DecemberTerry Beasley
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From the ShopMaking HCR Spring Shackles
ByLee Thevenet
When doing a HCR build & you want the spring shackles to resembleas close as possible the original carriages spring shackles. I faced thischallenge first when doing the Ford N build and again recently when buildinga REO Runabout HCR.
The shackles on the earlycarriages were very similar as shown inthe pictures below. The red co lored
carriage is a REO and the lightercolored one is a Ford N . Studyingthese pictures I had of the originalshackle I wanted to replicate, I came upwith a way of doing it .
If creating a part that willenhance the overall look of my build andcatch the eye of only one onlooker, it willmake it all worthwhile.
I would need to make twelveshackles for the REO suspension andthey had to resemble each other closelybecause the location they were to beused at, was very v isible to t he onlooker.
Observing that the shackleswere flat where they came in contact with the spring, sort of hump backlooking on top and bulged out a bit where the threaded part was, I knew Iwould have to use square stock for the U part and part of a threaded sectionof a bolt , added on later.
The U part of the shackle had to fit over the 1 w ide springpack I was to using. The threaded part of the shackle had to be at least 1 pastthe lower leaf of the spring pack since I was using a 3/8 thick plate for thespring perch and needed room for a lock nut below the plate.
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Using a 6 piece of 1 X 1 square heavy wall tubing, Ifabricated a jig that cou ld be used to assist bending the square bar to theshape I needed. It would be clamped verti cally in the bench vice for thebending process. This would f ree up both hands to handle the bar & rosebudtorch. I attached a 2 piece of 1 X 1 angle iron to the side and even withone end of the square tubing. I removed of the top leg (as shown indiagram) to ease removal of U shaped piece when completed.
Af ter bending each par t aroundthe square tubing, I cut off theexcess bar and allowed the Upieces to coo l. After coolingdown, I cut them all the samelength on the band saw.
Af ter enough U pieces werebent, I tightened each in thebench vice & shaped as desired. Inotched the ends of the Upieces as shown.
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I used twenty four 3/8 X 2 boltsI cut the length of the bolts asneeded and also notched them asshown.
Af ter shaping, all the p ieces areready to assemble. The next step isthe joining of the pieces. The stepcut ou t of each respective piece fittogether to help strengthen thejo int.
These have been first gas weldedand then had brass added to makethem easier to shape as shown.Clearly shown is the configurationfrom one shape to another.
Add t hat ext ra look o f o riginal it y t oyour HCR, shackle down thosesprings with a set of these beauties
Enjoy!
Lee X wordAcross
1- Automatic transmission for HCRs4- HCRs are S _ _ _ R with good brakes5- A present _ _ _ Bi ll y
Down3- Good wheels _ _ _ important also2- T _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ s connect
engines to rear ends6- Our hobby is bui lding _ _ _s
Make a sentence with the words
Answers on last page
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I Just Love This HobbyyGary Christensen
I built my f irs t HCR carriage, the 1899 Locomobile in the 2005-2006 building season using Harry Hibler drawings to build t he body.
The undercarriage evolved byscaling up pictures Ifound sur fing the web.Now, it is possible todown load completedrawings from SteamCar websites. I had
never seen an originalLocomobi le in personuntil last year whileattending the Steam Car Tour in Stanly Idaho. There were two Locomobiles Icould compare my carriage to. As it turned out, I did not do too bad. By theway, mine is the one on the right in the photo above and also below, a veryproud First Place winner in the Pre -1950s Auto category The attractivelady riding with me is my dear fr iend Kathy McKenzie.
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The old saying You never get enough of a good thing is socorrect, because about a year ago, I just had to start another bui ld. I had anearly copy of Lees Curved Dash Olds Replica Plans and used them for most ofthe body construct ion along with drawings f rom a CDO Manual I purchasedfrom the CDO Club. I scaled the CDO Club drawings up to full s ize.
FIRST, I made a FullSize template of the body sidepanel and using the template, I cutout two side panels of half inchplywood.
Next, I did the crossframing much like the plans calledfor. I sheeted the front curve with1/8 plywood, inside and out .
I made a coil box from dimensionsgiven in the CDO Manual. I buil t the seataccording to the size used on the veryearliest CDOs (could have been a bitwider to fit in with todays eatinghabits).
Then, it was time to build the rear engine cover and rear gate withlouvers. Foot pedals below are copied from original plan drawings.
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The engine I used is the Harbor Freight 11 hp model with a torqueconverter. It drives a counter shaft that is mounted in the exact location wherethe crank shaft would be in anorig inal CDO carriage.
A number 60 dr ivechain transmits the power to theNorthern Tool differential. Thedifferential housing is the design ofDon Richardson.
Rear frame crossmember design is f rom orig inalengineered drawings.
Spring package for one side aftercutting , bending and drillingappropriate holes
Steering spr ing and relatedparts completed.
Assembled frame and ax les in afriends garage last winter (Too cold towork outside).
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Completed body on the frame.
Steering tiller made fromstainless steel tubing. Starting tolook l ike a car.
Out in the sunlight.
More pictures to come later
Bye for now,
Gary
Picture from the past
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Merging of Two Hobbies
ByLarry Cook
Today, as I look back over the photos t aken at the 2011 HCR Meetthat took place at the Cotton Ginning Days Fair in Dallas, NC, I was thinking ofhow my two hobbies have combined. The best part is the friends and buddiesthat I've made in the replica car hobby, have meshed well with my ham radiobuddies. One photo that really stands out is when Lee took the wife of a hamradio pal for a ride in his Reo at the Meet.
Just thinking , about 2 or 3 yearsago, I didn't know either of these folks.With Lee's help, I was also int roduced to a
great pal in my area that practically built areplica car for me.As I pursued my radio interest s,
I've met folks that enjoy seeing the carsthat we have built and coming to theshows. I really enjoy seeing folks fromabout 80 miles from me, having a goodtime with my buddies from 800 or so miles away.
In God We Trust,
Larry CookAdvert isement
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A Winter Project By
Herb Clark
I was looking for a project to do during the winter. I live in St.Louis, MO during the summer, but head to Sun City West, Arizona in the wintermonths. Sun City West has so many great clubs and activities it is hard not tokeep busy. Last year I got interested in restoring old cars. I have alwaysbeen a woodworker, and about five years ago I joined the Sun City West MetalClub. Many of the members were into cars and restoration, so I learned a lotfrom them and made the decision to build a Curved Dash Oldsmobile.
Af ter order ing andreceiving the CDO Plans from Lee
Thevenet and knowing I would have alot of expertise to assist me, I jumpedright into the construction of thebody. Several friends did someresearch and started on the frameand drive train. I owe a lot o f peoplemuch thanks for their efforts to keepthis on track.
The basic body const ruction took a little over a week. I decidedto use a cabinet grade, Birch plywood for the body. It was chosen to make
the carriage as strong as I could make it without taking away too much f romthe original. I added more ribs than the plans called for, but felt the strengthwas important and the ribs wou ldn t be seen anyway. The seat was a litt letricky at first, but I figured it out and all was well. The seat is made out of oak.
The frame is made out of 2 inch tubular steel. Again, I wanted toadd strength. We scavenged forleaf springs and found some thatwould work and formed them to
our requirements. The steeringleaf spring was made with rearleaf springs from a Club Car golfcart and were perfect for the job.The cart i s attached to the bodywith brackets, making the removalof the body s imple.
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The power trainis a combination of a lot of bitsand pieces. The motor is an 8 HP golf cart motor. Theoriginal motor chosen, wefound out that it ranbackwards and could not beused for our purpose. Welooked around and swapped itfor one that ran in the correctmanner. Luckily we havesome very talented guys helping and they were able to make the rear axle with
brakes from a golf cart.The decision on
what kind and size of wheelsto use jumped back and forth.I settled on 21 inch motorcyclewheels and special orderednew white rubber tires. Thedecision for the motorcyclewheel was based on strength.
A b icyc le t ire wi llcarry about 300 pounds, but amotorcycle wheel will carry 600 pounds plus. We are planning to build a PieWagon after this project and I want to try to make my own wooden wheelsfor it.
Our finished construction w ill include the back passenger seatand the canopy. The picture of the finished project wont be ready until afterthe deadline for pub lishing, but it will be black in color , red mahoganymolding, white tires and brass co lored lanterns.
Why did I build this ! In the last couple of months we formed a
new Automotive Restoration Club in SCW. We now have over 150 members.Building this project was to give us something we can take to events, paradesand etc. In February of 2012, Arizona celebrates its 100th year of statehoodand we plan to drive it in the celebration parade.
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The one thing that has surprised me the most is the attention Ihave received while building th is project. People I hardly know ask me, Howis it coming? Are you going to make the deadlines for the parade? Can Ihelp? I will make it!
Many others have volunteered their t ime and energy to assistwhenever I needed a hand. When we start to build the Pie Wagon I amabsolutely sure we will have to make the volunteers take a number. This isfun! Once this is finished, we plan start on the cool Pie Wagon.
My best advice for some of you who are thinking about buildinga part of history is to invite your friends to help you! You will have betterfriends from the experience!
From the EditorI got this update on Herbs
progress just the other day
This was her debut...We will have it running on Wednesday.
Everything is pretty well done and in place, but wehave to complete the wiring and more features. Weshowed it at an Open House out here at one of theRecreation Centers. Next Saturday it will be in a
parade in Wickenburg, AZ, and then on Monday the20th in the AZ Centennial Parade. Lots of eventscoming up!
In the pictures is my wife Pat Clark, andboth of us in the 2nd picture. During the two hourevent we took pictures of over 80 people sitting init.Herb
Editors Hint Herb, Install an AhOuga horn &
place the horn button on the floor, encourage the
small fries to push it. Draws massive amounts of
attention at car shows & events
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Latest update from Herb
We made it!We got everything (needed)up and running and we werein the big parade. Everythingran well and operated well.We fin ished the parade andwent back to the shop and
made fenders. One thingeveryone shouldknowThere were over 1000horses in this parade. Thestreets were covered wi thxz/#@X/, and so were the t ireswhen we fin ished.
Herb Clark
Editor:
Oh Yes! The XZ#@XI.... Always a joy to c lean off of the tires. Lately,in the local Louis iana parades, horses and ATVs are being banned fromparades for safety reasons, but almost always because of riders beingreckless
Thank you Herb for sending the const ruction , show & parade picturesof your beautiful HCR carriage. Pictures like the ones Herb, Gary & Terrysubmitted for the Newsletter, are what I need more of. This helps peak theinterest of fo lks that read the Newsletter, into joining our HCR Hobby, helpsour newest HCR Members understand the bui lding process & shows everyonethe world of fun that can be had with HCRs. Hit the zoom butt on & have a lookat the faces of the folks watch ing t he parade. Some are amazed at the HCR,while others seem to be reliving a certain time in their pastThis is what its all aboutEnjoying life & having funLee
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In ClosingI hope all of you enjoyed this issue of the HCR Newsletter. By the timethis Newsletter is posted, my wife Elaine & I will be getting th ings in order for
our yearly trip to the Pre War Swap Meet in Chickasha, Ok.I have been looking forward to the Swap Meet because, I will be
purchasing my tires for the 1912 T Speedster I have been building. Gettingreal close to taking that first test ride. That is the most exciting part of anybuild that is short of a parade and driving her.
I hope to see some familiar faces from past years in Chickasha. I wouldlike to again encourage HCR Members that live in the surrounding states toOklahoma, to try and join us there for an interesting and worthwhile time. I
have been in contact wi th my old fr iend, Dave Hughes of Marshfield, MO, andhe is wound up for the Meet and excited about going.
Provided the weather cooperates, I plan to get p lenty of pictures for a Special HCR 2012 Chickasha Issue in Apr il, so watch for it. Join us at theSwap Meet if you can, we will be having a ball and making some great partspurchases
Lee
Hydrostatic transmissions are safer for HCRs
