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DECEMBER 1972 Vo I I - No I

PUBLICATION OF THE ANTIQUE AND CLASSIC DIVISION

OF THE EXPERIMENTAL AIRCRAFT ASSOCIATION INC

JACK COX EDITOR

Copyright copy Antique Classic Aircraft Inc - 1972

OFFICERS

PRESIDENT E E HILBERT 8102 LEECH RD UNION ILL 60180

SECRETARY RICHARD WAGNER BOX 181 IYONS WIS 53148

VICE PRESIDENT J R NIELANDER JR P O BOX 2464 FT LAUDERDALE FLA 33303

TREASURER NICK REZICH 4213 CENTERVILLE RD ~OCKFORD ILL 61102

ON THE COVER

Herb Harcom EAA 33569 Buzzards Roost Route I Inola Oklahoma 74036 and his Fairchi Id FC-2 Herb had the big bird assembled for fit before covering The aircraft is now a treasured part of the EAA Air Education Museum collection at Hales Corners Wisconsin The FC-2 is displayed in American Airways Colonial Division colors and markings and has an immacushylate Model A pickup parked alongside ready to pick up a mail bag a life sized mannikin is taking from the planes baggage compartment

This FC-2 is NC-3569 Serial No 35 and is powered by a 200 hp Wright J5-C Whirlwind It was manufactured under ATC HIO at Farmingdale Long Island in November of 1927 and was sold to Curtiss Flying Service in Chicago It was later sold to Interstate Airways and was used on the Chicago-Atlanta route during 1928 and 1929 Interstate later was absorbed by American Airways

The airplane was eventually retired by the airlines and subsequently passed through three private owners the last storing it in a shed in Dunweg Missouri in 1939 Herb Harcom bought the FC-2 in 1961 and first flew it from Harvey Young Airport Tulsa on August 23 1963 A week later he won the Grand Champion Award at Ottumwa Iowa and went on to win more than 30 additional awards before retiring the big foldin8 wing airline

On July 17 1969 Herb flew NC 3569 on its last flight - from Harvey Young to Hales Corners Wisconsin The FC-2 has a place of honor in the EAA Air Museum and was viewed by over 50000 visitors In 1972 - among them 10000 school chi Idren who have the unique privi lege of seeing what an airl iner looked I ike in 1927 and what progress has been made over the past 46 years A model collection consisting of alrl iners from the FC-2 to the

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supersonic Concorde is displayed with the FC-2 for dramatic conshytrast

There may be sleeker and much faster aircraft but the stately old FC-2 gives nothing away in character

MESSAGE FROM PAUL POBEREZNY EAA PRESIDENT

I was very pleased with the sincerity shown by those EAA Antique and Classic aircraft enthusiasts who attended the general meeting held in Haedtler Hal I here at EAA Headquarters on November 18th 1972

The EAA Antique and Classic Division was establ ished about a year ago Its purpose was to select leadership within the EAA Sport Aviation movement whose aviation interests I ie in this area shyEAA members of I ike interest who could then through organizational work expand their activities and interests

The forming of Divisions within EAA is an effort to obtain a greater number of leaders on the team For if one expects one president of anyone organization to attempt to represent al I of these fine activities we wi I I then fal I short of our goals in developing team work delegating responsibi lity and leadership

I would I ike to thank past President Dave Jameson for his help in getting this Division started As you know Dave is also Vice President of the EAA Air Museum Foundation This in itself can be more than a ful I time endeavor - and this division of responsibi I ity has added another leader to aviations team I am sure all in attenshydance were pleased with EAA Antique and Classic President Buck Hi 1shyberts presentation and acknowledge his past and present enthusiasm

The confirmation of the forthcoming 1972-73 officers through the election held at this general meeting is evidence of the support forthcoming The discussions relative to dues a publ ication business aspects and fly-ins were encouraging and I am sure a week could have been spent discussing these matters The potential of membership growth was termed tremendous and the recognition that having a home - a faci I ity and the office support of EAA - is a tremendous asset

To me getting more members on the team is very important to the perpetuation of our endeavors to fly for fun whether it be with antiques classics homebui Its warbirds aerobatics or rotary wing

When it comes to government restrictions - we al I are in the same boat We need each other we need the numbers we need the individual leadership

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Aviation belongs to you EAA Sport Aviation belongs to you We here at Headquarters are a part of the tools needed for sucshycess - the rest is up to you

THE PRESIDENT SPEAKS - E E BUCK HILBERT

Fellow EAA Member

The Antique and Classic Division needs you as an active member We need membership and we need money in the form of $1000 dues to give support to our members

In the Antique and Classic Division there is the potential to be the largest division of EAA With aircraft over thirty years of age classified as Antique and those over twenty years old fal ling into the Classic Category we wi I I have a new and larger group each year

The intent of the Division is to gain recognition of the Antique and Classic aircraft and their owners as an integral and important part of Sport Aviation To help us accompl ish this EAA wi I I be the parent organization Administration manpower and faci I ities are provided by EAA The bui Iding of the Antique and Classic Division is up to us

The planning for the Division cal Is for our own publ ication First a monthly newsletter then as we grow so wi I I the publ icashytion This wi I I be our means of communication within the Division Suggestions are col icited as to contents but we plan Type Club News activities coverage feature articles on airplanes and people and most important Hot Li ne news items about what affects our fly i ng and our airplanes

As to Division identity along with our own publ ication we wi I I have an identifying jacket patch decal and card our own regional and local activities and our own parking forums and activities at the National Oshkosh Convention The EAA Air Education Museum has also provided space for displays pictures and even airplanes as the Division desires The Burlington Wisconsin site is ours to use also as we choose

The dues money then wi II be used for the publ ication and mai I ing costs the identity items of patch card and decals supshyport of the parent EAA administration staff and ideals and the EAA Air Education Museum The $1000 dues wi I I be supplemented by fly-in revenue donations and other fund raising projects yet to come

We welcome you as a member of the EAA Antique and Classic Division

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~~ INUTES OF THE CtN Ll L BUS t4ESS ~1E E T I N G OF ANTIQUE CLASS IC Ai RCRAF T INC

A meet llg of He Ant ique and Class ic Dv is lon c f EAP wa s called to order a t EAA Headquarters in Frankl i n Wiscons in a t 10 00 November 18 19720 Tre open i ng address was made by Paul Pobe re zny describing goa ls of the d v ison wi th i n the EAA Also A+ th is t ime he expl ained the reasons for re si gnat ion of the past Div iS Ion Presi dent Dave Jameson Mr Jameson spoke shortly t hanking the members for the past cooperat ion and giving words at encouragement on s uppo r t i ng the new Pres ident-Elect At this po i nt the President-Elect Mr Hilbert gave a short summary of h i s pe r sonal hopes and amb i t ions for the conshytinuat ion of the Antique and Class ic Divi si on At t h i s point Mr Hilbert asked for suggestio ns and comments fr-om the floor for disshycuss ion Many of thos e present had excel lent comment s 8fld s uggest ions Evander Britt spoke short ly - as he always does

Ideas were put forth as to the poss i bl I ity of i nd i v i dua l chapters and the organ i zationa l be nef i ts trom cha pters Also questions we r e raised as to the method of deslgflat ion of chapte r s and type of numbershying system to be used Jack Cox expla i ned why chapter numbering i s desirab le as It prov i des the heme otfice staff wi th a s imple but effect ive means at identificat ion There was a short discussi on on the benef its of hav i ng present ty pe-cl ubs become more ciosely affl fshyated Bi I Hodges exp r essed the interest of the National Ryan Club and Its interest in sup porting the Antique and Classic Division

Several comments were made regarding the necessity to increase present membership and after some discuss ion it was tho ught that through publ ic relation work ut i f z i ng the pages of Sport Aviation and othe r popu lar aviation publ ications more could be aware of the accompl i shments and bene fits of belonging to this separate division Jack Cox felt strongly that in the near future an Ind i vidual pub-I icatlon d irected spec ifically to the Antique and Class ic member would be a most effective means of communica ti o n Type clubs could use the pages of this publ (cat ion to get out the i r i nformati on on time and at less at a burden to type-clu b presidents In addition this separate publ ica tion could serve as informat ional source on specia l problems associated primar i Iy wi th t he Antique and Classic Divi s ion Also i t could prov i de an excel lent clearing house for spec i al parts from members wi th i n the group The additional expense for such a pUblication was the subject of the dscussion that folshylowed Morton Lester made a mot ion providing fo r a $10 annual dues for those members i nte rested i n the Ant ique and Classc Divisi on of EAA Severa l discussions followed and after agreement a second was made by Evander Britt A vote was taken and carri ed unanimously to amend the by-laws to provide fo r an annua l dues of $iO for membershysh i p in the Ant ique and ClaSSic Di visIon It was also felt that a decal be made reproduc i ng the accepted Ant i que and Class ic Divis ion emblem tor me~bers to d isplay on their a i rcraft

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Dick Wagner agreed to prepare the decal and wi I r have these avai lable for mai I ing in the near future It was also suggested that this aircraft decal be suppl ied along with the membership card and at the time of each membership renewal Paul Poberezny made a short summary of the points brought out during the mornings disshycussion and urged the members to make an al lout effort to get peoshyple who are presently in aviation to become a more active part reshygardless of what organization club or fellowship he desires to affi I iate with It is his feel ing that through numbers we can more effectively handle situations on local state and federal levels A short lunch break was then had

The first order of business after returning from lunch was the election of our officers and Board of Directors Evander Britt chairmaned the election committee A motion was made that the fal I meeting be an annual business meeting f~the Antique and Classic Division This was carried unanimously Nominees for the office of the Presidency were asked for Mr Hi Ibert was nominated and a second received J R Nielander was nominated and a ~econd reshyceived These gentlemen were asked for comments on why they were interested in the Presidency Mr Nielander was extremely enthusishyastic and would work to the best of my abi I ity Mr Hi Iberts response was short - I would I ike to have the job A vote was taken and Mr Hi Ibert was elected by a 21-1 hand vote Mr Hi Ibert was acc I aimed Pres i dent for the rema i n i ng 1972 and 1973 year by vo ice acclamation At this point Evander Britt asked for nominations for Vice President Dave Jameson nominated Nielander for a second term There were no other nominations A vote was taken and unanimously carried Nielander was acclaimed Vice-President for the 72-73 year Nominations were asked for the office of Secretary Dick Wagner was nominated and unanimously acclaimed by voice vote Nominations were taken for the Treasury Dick Wagner nominated Nick Rezich and was seconded from the floor Voice vote was taken and unanimously acclaimed Discussion on 1973 Board of Directors fol lowed and was decided that the present Directors be retained The motion was made that the members present be added to the existing Board A second was received from the floor and a short discussion fol lowed A voice vote was taken and Mr Kumfermans motion carried An additional motion was made by Mr Kumferman that the present Board members be contacted and so indicate their interest in continuing serving as Directors This motion was seconded A voice vote was taken and carried A suggestion made by the floor that the Antique and Classic Division go on record recommending to the Officers of the EAA Air Education Museum that Dave Jameson be made Chairman and Coordinator of the Aircraft Acquisition Committee of the EAA Aircraft Museum

After the election of new officers and Board of Directors a discussion fol lowed by Mr Nielander who gave a briefing on the

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needs requIred to make the 73 Convention a mor e enjoyab le and sucshycessfu l event for the Ant iqlfa~d Classic owner in add i tion i t was thought that a fiy-in be he id i r +he spr i ng in Burl Ing+on provid ing a meet i ng ground for the annua Convent ion at OShkosh No date has been set and the decis ion wi I be leit up to the of Peers I twas also suggested that the Santee S C fy-n be made a joint effor t thus g i Ving member s on the easie ~ n seaboard an oppor t unity to part i shyc ipate at a reg ional event The f i rst week in May IS the pla nn ed date and add ltl ona coord i nation and information wi I I be avai lab le shortl y

Ga r Wi I I i ams was asked and acc laimed to head up th e Parki ng Comm it tee for Oshkosh 1973 Evander Britt was se lected to chairshyman the Ant que and Class ic Judging Comm i ttee it was also sugshygested that at nat ional fly-ins if poss l ble that a business meetIng be held i n order to keep members rrore cu rrentiy i nformed Br itt summarized the success o r the Oshkosh meet and felt that those who were invol ved couid be justly proud of the in i t ial effort and certa i nly must be th anked for the ground work that they laid for the tuture events to be held Nlelander spoke on t he efforts to conshytinue encou raging workmanship and that there has definitely been a noticeable improvement in the last tew years n indiv idual restorashyt ions It was also suggested that some of t he o id t imers~ prom i nent in av Iation in years back be asked to attend the annual Os hkosh Convent ion It was felt that th s would be a project to g i ve honor and recogn ition to these people who are responslb e tor the r ecords and growth of aviat ion in the pre-50s era The pOint was also made that in the future those sending articles in for publ Ica t lon should be not i f ied promptly whether o r not the ir manuscr ipt and pictures wi II be used in the magazine

The days agenda be in g complete a mot ion was asked for adJournshyment Itwas rece I ved and seconded t rom th e floor-

Respectfully submitted

Richard Wagner Secreta ry

MEMBERS IN ATTENDANCE

Wayne O Fredllne Sparta Mi chigan Kelly Viets Sti lwei I Kansas Ed ity A Fredl ine Sparta Michigan Edna Viets Sti lwei I Kansas Ron Fritz Grand Rapids Michigan Bob Adamec Maywood I I I no i s Vern Murphy South Haven Michigan J im Wi Ison Lake Geneva Wisc Jack Cox Hales Corners Wisconsin Lan dis West Scottsb luf f Neb Golda Cox Hales Corners Wiscons t n john Pe rry Scottsblu ff Nebr Ralph Redmen Dundee I i I ino is Wm N Schutz Madison NC Wi I lard Bened ic t Wayland Michigan Morton Lester Ma rtinsvl I Ie Va Donna Bened ict Wayland Michigan Evande r M Britt Lumberton NC

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Members in Attendance (cont)

Daniel Hami Iton Anderson Indiana Ray Scholler Random Lake Wisc Jim Wright Anderson Indiana Richard H Wagner Lyons Wisc George E Stubbs Indianapol is Ind J R Nielander Ft LauderdaleFla Phil E Smith Ft Wayne Indiana E E Hilbert Union III Steven N Landis Ft Wayne Ind Joseph A Simandl West Allis Wisc Gar Wil Iiams Napervi I Ie I I I inois Bob Kumferman Menomonee Fal IsWisc Bi I I Hodges Mi Iwaukee Wisc Patricia Friedman Highland Park1 I I Paul H Poberezny Hales Corners Wisc

WASHINGTON REPORT

As a part of the Experimental Aircraft Association each member of the Antique and Classic Division has representation in Washington D C David Scott maintains an office in the nations capital and is in the offices of FAA almost dai Iy to attend to the needs of sport aviation Mr Scott makes a weekly written report to EAA Headquarters on his activities Items of interest to antique and classic enthusiasts and pi lots in general are presented here - excerpted from his most recent reports

Should you need assistance with any aviationFAA matter contact Mr Scott as fol lows

David Scott EAA Washington Representative 1346 Connecticut Ave N W Washington D C 20036 Phone 202223-5220

David incidentally is an antique enthusiast himself How could one solo in a Fairchi Id 22 and not be

MIAMI TCA - The FAA has announced a proposal for rule making outlining a Terminal Control Area for Miami Comments from the publ ic are due 60 days after October 31 1972 or roughly around Christmas time

The TCA configuration looks pretty compl icated and wi I I bar VFR unconshytrol led fl ights down the shore I ine except for those over 7000 ft or at dangerously low altitudes The other alternative for VFR operations is a long detour to the west In any event the cei I ing is 7000 ft which has been the standard for most TCAs so far

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FCC ON N NUMBERS - There has been some publ ic discussion in recent weeks about the Federal Communications Commission insistance on pi lots identifying their aircraft when using radio communications by using N

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or liNovemberli to l owed by the reg i stration rgt umbe r The FCC setTled this conTroers ~hs week by publ i shing a modJf icat l or ot their rules which states t hat + 5 nc+ necessary to i nclude the pret x PN when the a irer-aft dentified by iTS regstrator~ number

NATIONAL A IR AND SPAC E MUSEUM - Ground break ng ceremonies were held th j s week for --he rew A i r and Spaee rvluseum TO be b u i it on the Ma I I a 1shymost direct i y aCossthe ~ treet t r om FAA Headqua rters Secretary Ri pshyley ot the Smithson i an I nstitution and Ch i ef Justice Burger gave the principal addresses Both of them talked abou t space exploration but no ment ion was maded air t r ansportat i or rruch l ess genera or sport aviation And ye~ the nel museum w I i be t l ied with examples of manls exper men~a l e rcra ft most of wh ic h we re deeroped through the efforts of i ndidua s If vork can proceed stead y t he $40 miliion structure IS expec te d to open i 1s doors on Ju l y 4 19 76

FAA MAlfHEWNCE SYMPOSUM - FAAs ManTenance meet i ng at Okiahoma City this week was dom~nated by alrl i ne subjects and pe rsonne l The big three l i ght piane manufacturers had been i nvited t o part ici pate but they decl i ned on the bass th at th ey had been acti ve i n the meeting last year and had noth i ng new to contr ib ute or rece ive Stl i i and al i it does seem that genera l aViation should continue to be v isibl e and restate i ts i mpcr t ance t o the ge nera l aV i at i on in du str y

Paul Poberezny) Presdent of the Expe r i mental A i rcra ft Association did appear at the meet I ng and showed a fi 1m of t he 1970 EAA Fly-In This was an eye opener to the atten ~ees and particularly to the large con shyt i ngent of foreign air ne rep rese nt atv8s Most of these people have little conception of the exten+ of spo~t av i at i on act i vit ies in this country

There were a numbe r of exhib i tors most o f h ich showed highly sophis shyt i cated equipment for a i r l ine maintenance But one exhib i t caught the eye of th i s write r I t was a Sony cassette p l ayer and wi ll show proshygrams over a TV set This is a real breakth r ough for an inexpenSive education tool Ca ssettes can be inexpensivel y made either by proshyfess i ona i or amateurs vi i th the r own tape camer-a n the av aT i on li ne it could mean a whole se ries of How To l tra i ning a i ds not on ly for techn i cal i nstrucon bui- to r t ra i n i ng salesmen or other personnel The cassetTe recorder costs at the moment abou t $1000 but the price 1 II probab I y come down as more un its are ploduced

MORE POS I TIVE CmHROL - Pressure cont nues to bui id for complete posishyt ive control over a ll aircraft and the e l imination of VFR operations I n many areas

This week the NTSB relea sed a report on the mi I i tary a l rl ine call ision over Cal i fornia of June 6 197 1 betlveen an F-4B and a DC-9 The NTSB made a number of recommendat i ons to the FAA one of wh i ch said that climb and descent corridors should be establ i shed from the top ot Tershy

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minal Control Areas to the lower I imit of posit i ve control areas with the expectation that corr i dors could be eventually el iminated when positive control floo rs reached the level of TCA cei I ings The NTSB did not specify whether this would mean increasing the he i ghts of TCAs or lowering positive control floors At present most TCAs extend to 7000 ft but the FAA has said they intend to increase this to 12500 ft

Even earl ier the NTSB had urged the FAA to restrict high speed low level mi I itary operations to designated areas and routes specify when the 250 knot speed I imit i n airspace below 10000 ft may be exceeded conshysider using air inte rcept rada r for col I ision avoidance and publ icize the avai labi I i ty of FAAs Radar Advisory Service and consider making it mandatory

This past summer lATA the in t ernational airl ine group came out with a pol icy statement say i ng that the see and be seen concept was outmoded and that VFR and IFR traffic should never be al lowed to mix

ABOUT THIS PUBLICATION

Th is is the first i ssue of THE VINTAGE AIRPLANE - a name chosen to cover all older planes - and i t i s just a beginning In order to get an issue out carrying the minutes of the business meeting held at EAA Headshyquarters in November we pr i nted this issue on our own off-set press here at Hales Corners We d i d not have t i me to get additional picture plates made for the inside but that wi I I change in future issues which wi I I be done by our printer

THE VINTAGE AIRPLANE the house organ of the Antique and Classic Division of EAA wi l I I i ke Sport Av iation become a high qual ity pub-I ication The newsletter fo rmat used this month is a temporary medium shyto al low us to prepare for a new publ ication EAA has hired new employees and a new slate of Di v is ion off icers have been elected - so al I is GO Our goal quite s imply i s to produce the very best magazine for antique and classic airplanes

Now we need to get al I of you involved - and qu ickly We need artishycles on your antiques and classics photographs (black and white preferred but we can use color i f the pr i nt i s not too dark) we can use h istoricalshytype articles (company h istor ies the history of a particular personage or aircraft) personal exper iences in the old airplane field tips on restorashytion sources of old a i rplane parts we would I ike to start a rumor mi 11shytype section for a t ime we wi I I accept wants and disposals without charge (unti I it gets out of hand - we cant compete wi th Trade-A-Plane) plus anything you would I ike to see in such a magazine

We need mater ial NOW - so let us hear from you right away

Jack Cox Editor

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IRA~ REFLECTIONS

By Bi I I J Hodges Drawing by Jack Cox

Lindbergh - Spirit of St Louis - We - Ryan - What memories of adventure are brought to mind when these names are mentioned Nearly everyone of the older generation recalls the success of Col Charles Augustus Lindberghs fl ight across the Atlantic How on May 20 1927 he I i f ted the over gross Ryan NY-P (New York to Paris) from the now gone Roosevelt Field and some 33 hours 30 minutes later sat down on Le Bourget Field the first man to fly the Atlantic by himself thus winning the $2500000 Orteig prize

The success of Slims flight set off a wave of interest in aviashyt ion with natura II y Ryan do i ng a thri vi ng bus i ness se II i ng the s i ster sh i p to the Sp i r it of St Lou is the B-1 Brougham Few peop Ie rea-I ize however that T Clrude Ryan had sold his interest in the Ryan Air Li nes and Ryan Fly i ng Company to his partner B F Frank Mahoney shortly before Lucky Lindy contacted the company to bui Id a transshyAtlantic airplane Thus actually none of the B or C series were Ryans~~ The first B-1 sti I I in construction was put aside and finished after the

NY-P Some of the wo r kers on the NY-P who Iater became famous in the i r own right were Donald A Hal I Hawley Bowlus Fred Rohr Douglas Wrongshyway Corrigan and J J Red Harrigan The company at this time was known as the B F Mahoney Aircraft Corporation

One group of workers banded together to form the Ryan Bui Iders Company and bui It a plane called the Lone Eagle Another national hero Frank Hawks got the first B-1 and flew it in the 1927 Ford Air Tour and finished in eighth position Later that year he flew in the National Air Races and placed first for speed and third for efficiency for the Detroit News Trophy E W Pop Cleveland placed eighth in the third production

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B-1 i n the 1927 New York to Spokane Air Derby 0 I n the 1928 Nat i ona I Air Tour AI Henley placed seventh Vance Breese placed ni nTh and E W Pop Cleveland placed twentieth all flying B-Is In May of 1929 Jim Kelly and Reggie Robbins flyinq a B-1 named C i ty of Fort Worth set a new endurance record of 172 hours in the air - they we re i n-flIght refueled by another B-1

In late 1928 Frank Mahoney sold the company to the Detroit Aircraft Corporat ion and construction was moved to Lambert Field in St Louis Missouri The new owners were made up of the same men who had backed the Lone Eagle for the trans-Atlantic fl ight The Company now beshycame the Mahoney-Ryan Aircraft Corporation This new company introshyduced the B-3 B-5 B-7 Broughams and the C-I Foursome ser ies of a ircraft This company went bankrupt unfortunately dur i ng the stockshyma rket crash of 1929

In 1933 T Claude Ryan formed the Ryan Aeronaut ical Corpor ati on and produced the equally famous Ryan STA in 1934

In 1955-56 th ree B-1 Broughams were rescued from ob I i vi on and reconstructed into rep I icas of the NY-P for a fi 1m entit led Sp irit of St Louis starring James Stewart Two of these planes we re reshybui It by Paul Mantz and the third financed by Jimmy Stewart and reshybu i It by Hank Coffin at Whiteman Airpark in Pacoma Cal i forn ia The planes were bu i It in such a way that the solid windscreen could be reshyplaced with plexig lass for ease of ferrying Of these a ircraft al I three are in museums - one in the Greenfield Vi I lage Museum Dea rborn Michigan one in the Museum of Science and Natural History In St Louis Missouri and the other owned by Dave Jameson of Oshkosh Wiscons in i s on loan to the EAA Air Museum in Hales Corners Wiscons i n Another repl ica was bu i It by Frank Tallman for the Paris Airshow from the re shymains of a Ryan M-I mai I plane It now resides in the San Diego Aeroshyspace Museum San Diego Cal ifornia

A second NY-P was bui It in 1927 and it went to the Japanese newsshypaper Ma inichi Unfortunately it was demo I ished two weeks after arriv ing i n Japan when it ran into the side of a mounta i n Three Ryan B-1 s a re known to sti I I exist perhaps one day we wi I I see them i n the a ir again on the Fly-In circuit

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