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Ural (Ural (УралУрал) ) -- Dnepr (Dnepr (ДнепрДнепр))Electric
Starters Electric Starters
for for Russian MotorcyclesRussian Motorcycles
Part I: Electric StarterPart I: Electric
Starter--MotorsMotors(See Also Part II: Hitachi Starter(See Also
Part II: Hitachi Starter--Generators, Generators,
Part III: Repair of StarterPart III: Repair of Starter--Motors
andMotors andPart IV: Adding a StarterPart IV: Adding a
Starter--Motor)Motor)
Ernie FrankeErnie
Frankeeafrankeeafranke@@tampabaytampabay..rrrr.com.com
09 / 201309 / 2013
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Electric Starter HistoryElectric Starter History•Ural Was Only
Kick-Start When Bikes Were Imported to USA in 1994 thru 1997 –CSMI
(Classic Motorcycles and Sidecars, Inc) Replaced 14-Amp Russian
(Г-424) Generator with 18-Amp Hitachi Starter-Generator on Imported
Urals in 1998–See Part II: Hitachi Starter Generator–Did Not Work
Well and Discontinued Almost as Soon as
Introduced•Starter-Generator on Top of Motor, Working Off the
Timing Gear Set•Inadequate Charging and Inadequate Starter
•Ural Added a True Starter-Motor in 1998-1/2–Modified Bell
Housing of Gearbox to Accept a Real Starter–Starter Required Larger
Battery and 35-Amp Alternator (14.3771)–Used Starter CT369,
Originally Developed for Russian Outboard Engine–'98 Models Sold
With and Without Starters until Non-Starter Inventory
Depleted–35-Amp Alternators (Russian Hand-Grenade) Started Failing,
but There Wasn't Any Replacement at that Time•In 2004, 55-Amp
Nippon Denso Alternator Replaced 35-Amp Russian Grenade
•Starter-Motor Design Changed to CT369Б Version around
2006–Lengthened by 22 mm (approx. 1”) for 30% Reduction in Current
Consumption–Production Bikes Equipped with Proper Kick-Start Levers
(1” Kink in Lever)–Problem Only for Older Replacements: Need to
Modify Levers•Interference Fit with Kick-Start Lever•F2 (England)
and Gene Holopaw Offered Modified Levers
•Schematics of Urals with Starters Included–See Part IV for
Hitachi Starter / Generator Schematic
•Dnepr Never Manufactured a Bike with Electric Start, Only
Retro-Fit Kits
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Ural Starter / Generator / Alternator TimelineUral Starter /
Generator / Alternator Timeline
EngineEngineSizeSize
YearYear‘96 ‘07‘04‘02‘98
1998.52000
New Wiring Harness (Electrona in Austria)
650 cc 750 cc Engine
New Engine Design (Alternator on top / Flywheel Starter
placed on bottom)
Gen/Gen/AltAlt
IgnitionIgnitionTypeType
1994 ‘95Ural imported to U.S. by CSMI (Classic
Motorcycles and Sidecars, Inc.)
18-AmpHitachiStarter-
Generator(200-W)
Kick-Start Only
55-Amp Nippon Denso Alternator
(770-W, metal rear cap)
RoughlyWattage = 14 Volts X Amps 35-AmpRussian Alternator
14.3771 (Hand Grenade)(500 W, black-plastic rear cap) (Longer by
20 mm)
14 AmpRussian-BuiltГ-424 (G-424)
Alternator(150-Watt)
Voltage Regulator internal to Alternator
Factory ElectricFactory Electric--Start AddedStart Added
Type V(Type IV with
electronics moved into airstream)
Ducati
Type IType II Type III Ignition
Type IV
Factory ElectricFactory Electric--Start Start (E(E--Start)
OfferedStart) Offered
(Starter at Flywheel, (Starter at Flywheel, Alternator on Top
Center)Alternator on Top Center)
Electric-Start (E-Start) Option & Retro-fit introduced by
CSMI
StartStartRelaysRelays(RY(RY--115)115)
One Relay One RelayTwo Relays
No Points-Ignition UralsApproved for U.S. sale
New Transmission Case(Flywheel Starter Added,
New Wiring Harness)
‘03 ‘05
VoltageVoltageRegulatorRegulator
Regulator Internal to AlternatorPP-330 Mechanical(33.3720200
Solid-State)
‘97 ‘99 ‘01 ‘06
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750cc Breakdown Showing Electric Starter Motor750cc Breakdown
Showing Electric Starter Motor
The starter-motor is bolted to the gearbox flange and engages
the geared flywheel on the engine.
Flywheel with Starter Gear RingFlywheel with Starter Gear
RingElectricElectric
StarterStarter--MotorMotor
KickKick--Start LeverStart Lever
GearboxGearbox
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PrePre--1998 Ural 650s without Electric1998 Ural 650s without
Electric--StartStart
1993 Ural Tourist1993 Ural Tourist
Г-424 Generator
Ural 650 ccUral 650 cc
No ElectricNo Electric--StartStart
Prior to 1998, Urals only had foot kick-start.
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PostPost--1998.5 / Pre1998.5 / Pre--2003 Ural 6502003 Ural
650’’s with Electrics with Electric--StartStart
2002 Ural Bavarian Classic2002 Ural Bavarian
Classic(650cc)(650cc)
After 1998, Urals only had optional electric-start for their
650’s.
2000 Ural Patrol (650 cc)2000 Ural Patrol (650 cc)2000 Ural
Bavarian Classic2000 Ural Bavarian Classic(650cc)(650cc)
2000 Ural Deco (650cc)2000 Ural Deco (650cc)
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PostPost--2003 Ural 7502003 Ural 750’’s with Electrics with
Electric--StartStart
2000 Ural Retro2000 Ural Retro
2013 Gear2013 Gear--UpUp
2008 Ural Tourist LX2008 Ural Tourist LX 2010 Ural Patrol T2010
Ural Patrol T
With the conversion to 750cc in 2003, electric-start was
standard.
Notice Longer StarterNotice Longer Starter--Motor and Motor and
the Kickthe Kick--Start Lever with a Start Lever with a
““KinkKink””
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Ural StarterUral Starter--Motor Derived from Popular Russian
Outboard EngineMotor Derived from Popular Russian Outboard
Engine•Outboard Motors "Whirlwind" (Vortex) Popular in USSR
– "Whirlwind-25“ (Вихрь-25) and "Vortex-30" (Вихрь-30): 25 and
30 Hp
The CT369 starter is used in the Whirlwind (Vortex) outboard
engines, popular in the USSR and built in Irbit (home-town of
Ural).
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ELECTROMASH,ELECTROMASH, KhersonKherson Electric Plant,
UkraineElectric Plant, Ukraine
1 and 4. Assembly Shop 1 and 4. Assembly Shop 2. Machine shop 2.
Machine shop 3. Press Room3. Press Room5. Under Construction5.
Under Construction7. Administration7. Administration
•The CT369 (ST-369) Is Manufactured byElectromash in the
Ukraine•Company Electromash Founded in 2002–E-mash (Эл-маш)•Only
Ukrainian Designer and Manufacturer of Starters and Alternators for
Automotive, Tractor and Motorcycle Engines, Motor Vehicle Electric
Cooling Fans and Tractor Magnetos
Electric Starting Motor in Electric Starting Motor in
““VortexVortex--30" 30" 14. Electric Starter CT14. Electric Starter
CT--369 369 19. 1219. 12--Volt Car Battery Volt Car Battery
Electric Starter Motor for Outboard MotorElectric Starter Motor
for Outboard MotorFlywheel with GearFlywheel with Gear
The CT369 starter engages the flywheel of the Vortex 30 Hp
outboard engine.
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Original Original Electric Starter CT369 (ST369)Electric Starter
CT369 (ST369)•Four-Pole DC Motor•Single-Wire Supply with a Return
thru Ground or Chassis•Consists of a Body (1), Attached to Pole
Field Coils (2), Drive Cover (3),Commutator Cover with Brush Holder
(4), Rotor or Armature (Anchor) (5), Ring Collector (Commutator)
(6), Drive Gear (7) and Relay Solenoid (8)
1. 1. BodyBody2. 2. Pole with Field CoilsPole with Field
Coils3.3. Drive CoverDrive Cover4.4. CommutatorCommutator
CoverCover5. 5. Motor Anchor (Rotor or Armature)Motor Anchor (Rotor
or Armature)6. 6. Ring Type Collector (Ring Type Collector
(CommutatorCommutator))7. 7. Drive GearDrive Gear8.8. Traction
RelayTraction Relay9.9. Relay Anchor (Armature)Relay Anchor
(Armature)10.10. LeverLever11.11. Rod or StemRod or Stem12.12.
Movable ContactMovable Contact13.13. TerminalTerminal14.14.
Terminal LugTerminal Lug15.15. Return SpringReturn Spring16.16.
Return SpringReturn Spring
The CT369 solenoid pulls the lever (10), which engages the
starter drive gear (7) into the motorcycle’s flywheel gear.
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Electric Starter, 12Electric Starter, 12--VV(Ural)(Ural)Part #:
IMZPart #: IMZ--8.1248.124--1807518075--1010Vendor ID:
003.899Vendor ID: 003.899List Price: List Price:
€€180.00180.00(www.(www.oldtimergarageoldtimergarage..eueu))
Ural Electric StarterUral Electric Starter
Inscription: IMZInscription:
IMZ--8.1248.124--1807518075--1010
Inscription: 320.3708Inscription: 320.3708
The earliest CT369 was the shorter electric starter for
Urals.
On the Earlier Version (CT369),On the Earlier Version
(CT369),the Terminals Are Nearly Flushthe Terminals Are Nearly
Flush
(10mm) with the End(10mm) with the End--Cap.Cap.
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Old Old && New (Longer)New (Longer) CT369 Diagram CT369
Diagram (www.(www.electromashelectromash.com..com.uaua))The EndThe
End--Cap of the Later Version (CT369Cap of the Later Version
(CT369ББ) Extends about 25mm ) Extends about 25mm Beyond the
Electrical Terminals. On the Earlier Version (CT369),Beyond the
Electrical Terminals. On the Earlier Version (CT369),
the Terminals Are Nearly Flush (10mm) with the Endthe Terminals
Are Nearly Flush (10mm) with the End--Cap.Cap.
ФФ80mm80mm
157.5157.5mmmm
172.5172.5mmmm
EndEnd--Cap of the Later Version (CT369Cap of the Later Version
(CT369ББ) Extends ) Extends about 25mm Beyond the Electrical
Terminals. about 25mm Beyond the Electrical Terminals.
The new starter may not have any problem fitting in the Russian
outboard motor, but the extra length of the starter interferes with
the Ural kick-start lever.
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Electric Starter 391.3708 Electric Starter 391.3708 for Russian
for Russian VAZVAZ--1111 "OKA" Car 1111 "OKA" Car
(Manufacturer(Manufacturer ElectromeshElectromesh))
11111111--3708800:3708800: Starter Solenoid Starter Solenoid for
VAZfor VAZ--1111 Starter1111 Starter
The 391.3708 or 7102.37087102.3708 starter-motor, as seen on the
Internet, is used in the Russian VAZVAZ--1111 "OKA" 1111 "OKA" car,
and will not fit the mounting holes of the Ural.
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Ural ElectricUral Electric--Start Motor Has Various
DesignationsStart Motor Has Various Designations•Original “А”
Version of CT369–Alternate Transliteration: ST369–Ural Part #:
IMZ-8.103-18075 (ИМЗ-8.103-18075) •650/750cc, 2003 -2006 Parts
List–Ural Part #: IMZ-8.124-18075-10
(ИМЗ-8.124-18075-10)–Electromash Part #: 320.3708–Electromash Part
#: 392.3708•Replacement “B (Б)” Version: CT369Б–Alternate
Transliteration: CT369B or ST369Б–Ural Part #: IMZ-8.103-18075
(ИМЗ-8.103-18075) •650/750cc, 2007 -2010 Parts List–Ural Part #:
IMZ-8.124-18075 (ИМЗ-8.124-18075) •650/750cc, 2009 and 2011 Parts
List–Electromash Part #: 369Б.3708•Possible Russian Starter
(Add-On, Requires Modifications)–Use OKA (Ока) Starter for Lada
VAZ-1111 (ВАЗ 1111) Car–VAZ-1111: Basic Russian Car with a
2-cylinder, 750cc, 35 Hp Engine•Part #: 391.3708 or 39.3708
Hang on, as we gyrate between forums, web-sites and manuals to
recover Russian motorcycle, electric-start history.
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VAZVAZ--1111 "OKA" Starter1111 "OKA" Starter(Sold by Some as an
(Sold by Some as an ““AddAdd--OnOn”” ElectricElectric--Start,
Requires Modifications)Start, Requires Modifications)
Type 39.3708 / 391.3708 StarterType 39.3708 / 391.3708
Starter--Motor: Motor: 1. Freewheel1. Freewheel2. Stop Ring2. Stop
Ring3. Gear3. Gear4. Drive Cover4. Drive Cover5. Lever5. Lever6.
Relay Armature6. Relay Armature7. Holding Relay Winding7. Holding
Relay Winding8. Pull8. Pull--In Relay WindingIn Relay Winding9.
Contact Plate9. Contact Plate10. Relay Cover10. Relay Cover11.
Terminal Bolts11. Terminal Bolts12. Cover12. Cover13.
Commentator13. Commentator14. Back Cover14. Back Cover15. Brush15.
Brush16. Housing16. Housing17. Pole17. Pole18. Rotor or Armature18.
Rotor or Armature
BatteryBattery
Starter Starter SolenoidSolenoid
StarterStarter--MotorMotor
Ignition Ignition SwitchSwitch
Wiring Diagram:Wiring Diagram:1.1. BatteryBattery2.2.
StarterStarter3.3. Starter RelayStarter Relay4.4. Ignition
SwitchIgnition Switch
Even though it can only be used as an add-on after mechanical
modificationsto the Ural, the VAZ-1111 starter-motor serves as an
illustration for the CT369.
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Specs on 12Specs on 12--Volt Starter Motors Used in UralsVolt
Starter Motors Used in UralsDesignationDesignation CT369 CT369
(ST369)(ST369)369.3708, 320.3708369.3708,
320.3708IMZIMZ--8.1248.124--1807518075--1010
CT369CT369ББ(ST369B)(ST369B)369.3708369.3708
CT362A /CT362A /392.3708392.3708
391.3708391.3708or 39.3708 or 39.3708
7102.37087102.3708(similar to (similar to 391.3708)391.3708)
1111.37081111.3708(similar to (similar to 391.3708)391.3708)
CompanyCompany ElectromashElectromash ElectromashElectromash
ElectromashElectromash ElectromashElectromash KatekKatek
ElectromashElectromash
LocationLocation UkraineUkraine UkraineUkraine UkraineUkraine
UkraineUkraine RussiaRussia UkraineUkraine
UseUse Boat Motor "Boat Motor "VihrVihr““inin
IrbitIrbit,,"Whirl"Whirl--M"M"
Boat Motor Boat Motor ""VihrVihr““
ininIrbitIrbit,,"Whirl"Whirl--M"M"
EEngines: PDngines: PD--10, 16UD, 10, 16UD, 350 tractors: T350
tractors: T--4, 4, --4A, 4A, --150, 150, --155, 155, --156, DT156,
DT--75, 75, --75M, 75M, --75ML,75ML,--75MP, MTZ75MP, MTZ--50L, 50L,
--52L, 52L, MTZMTZ--8080--8282
LADA VAZLADA VAZ--1111 1111 ((ВАЗВАЗ 11111111 ОКАОКА))
Rated PowerRated Power 0.552 kW0.552 kW 0.61 kW0.61 kW 0.67
kW0.67 kW 0.9 kW 0.9 kW 0.95 kW0.95 kW 0.92 kW0.92 kW
Nominal VoltageNominal Voltage 1212--VoltsVolts 1212--VoltsVolts
1212--VoltsVolts 1212--VoltsVolts 1212--VoltsVolts
1212--VoltsVolts
# of Gear Teeth# of Gear Teeth 99 99 99 99 99 99
Gear Pressure AngleGear Pressure Angle 2020°° 2020°° 2020°°
1212°° 1212°° 1212°°
Direction of RotationDirection of Rotation LeftLeft LeftLeft
LeftLeft LeftLeft LeftLeft LeftLeft
WeightWeight 4.5 kg4.5 kg 4.25 kg4.25 kg 4.4 kg4.4 kg 3.6 kg3.6
kg 4.3 kg4.3 kg
DiameterDiameter 80 mm80 mm 80 mm80 mm 80 mm80 mm 92.5 mm92.5 mm
80 mm80 mm 92.5 mm92.5 mm
Overall LengthOverall Length 224.5 mm224.5 mm 239.5 mm239.5 mm
224.5 mm224.5 mm 207 mm207 mm 234 mm234 mm 206 mm206 mm
Length (front flange Length (front flange to end ofto end of
BendixBendix))
67 mm67 mm 67 mm67 mm 67 mm67 mm 63.5 mm63.5 mm 63.5 mm63.5 mm
63.5 mm63.5 mm
Gear ModuleGear Module(starter drive or (starter drive or
pinion)pinion)
2.5 mm2.5 mm 2.5 mm2.5 mm 2.5 mm2.5 mm 2.12 mm2.12 mm 2.12
mm2.12 mm 2.12 mm2.12 mm
Length (from front Length (from front flange to end cap)flange
to end cap)
157.5 mm157.5 mm 172.5 mm172.5 mm 157.5 mm157.5 mm 143.5 mm143.5
mm 143.5 mm143.5 mm 143.5 mm143.5 mm
Distance between Distance between Mounting HolesMounting
Holes
105 mm105 mm 105 mm105 mm 105 mm105 mm 114 mm114 mm 114 mm114 mm
114 mm114 mm
Diameter of Mounting Diameter of Mounting HolesHoles
10.5 mm10.5 mm 10.5 mm10.5 mm 10.5 mm10.5 mm 11.2 mm11.2 mm 11.2
mm11.2 mm 11.2 mm11.2 mm
The 391.3708391.3708, 7102.3708 and 1111.3708 are not
exact-replacement starter-motors for the Ural. The mounting holes,
gear angle and Bendix length are different.
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The High Torque and Poor Metallurgy Accounts The High Torque and
Poor Metallurgy Accounts for the Cracked Bell on My Electric
Starter for the Cracked Bell on My Electric Starter (2003
Patrol)(2003 Patrol)
CT369CT369
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Another Ural Starter (CT369) FailureAnother Ural Starter (CT369)
Failure (www.(www.russianironrussianiron.com).com)••Bell Housing on
750cc Electric Starter CrackedBell Housing on 750cc Electric
Starter Cracked••New Starter from Stock Is Longer than Previous
StarterNew Starter from Stock Is Longer than Previous
Starter••KickKick--Start Lever Interferes with Electric Starter
BodyStart Lever Interferes with Electric Starter Body
ИМЗ-8.124-18075-10
Several folks have experienced starter-motor casing failures.
The choice is between welding the casing back together or
purchasing
a new, longer starter-motor, CT369Б.
157 mm / 6.2”
On the Earlier Version (CT369), On the Earlier Version (CT369),
the Terminals Are Nearly Flush (10mm) the Terminals Are Nearly
Flush (10mm)
with the Endwith the End--Cap.Cap.
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CT369CT369ББ ((ИМЗИМЗ--8.1248.124--1807518075))List Price:
7,870List Price: 7,870 рубруб. (.
(ruplesruples))www.www.mazeppermazepper..ruru
The CT369Б (ST-369Б) was added by Ural as the IMZ-8.124-18075
(ИМЗИМЗ-8.124-18075) and was used on 650’s, as well as 750’s.
The EndThe End--Cap of the Later Version (CT369Cap of the Later
Version (CT369ББ) ) Extends about 25mm Extends about 25mm
beyond the Electrical Terminals.beyond the Electrical
Terminals.
CT369CT369ББ Starter for Ural MotorcyclesStarter for Ural
Motorcycles
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CT369CT369ББ ((CT369B) Later Version of Starter Motor for
UralCT369B) Later Version of Starter Motor for Ural
369369ББ.3708.3708
Inscription:Inscription: СТАРТЕРСТАРТЕР (Starter) (Starter)
369369ББ
The EndThe End--Cap of the Later Version (CT369Cap of the Later
Version (CT369ББ) Extends ) Extends about 25mm Beyond the
Electrical Terminals. about 25mm Beyond the Electrical
Terminals.
Electrical Starter for Ural Motorcycle, All ModelsElectrical
Starter for Ural Motorcycle, All ModelsPart #: IMZ.1037Part #:
IMZ.1037--1807518075Vendor #: 271165375999Vendor #:
271165375999List Price: $224.00List Price:
$224.00(compare.(compare.ebayebay.com).com)
The The ““.3708.3708”” is merely the govt. engineering is merely
the govt. engineering group code for starters, not really
necessary.group code for starters, not really necessary.
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Modified KickModified Kick--Start LeversStart
Levers•Factory-Supplied, Replacement Motors (CT369Б) Are about
1”Longer than the Original CT369 Starter Motors•No Problem for
Russian Outboard Engines (Major Market)–Plenty of Leg-Room in
Outboard Engine Compartment
•Three Options for the Longer Starter-Motor on Urals–Remove the
Kick-Start Lever Completely (E-Start, No Kick-Start)–F2 Motorcycles
Ltd, Can Supply the New, Longer Starter-Motor with a New Kick-Start
Lever–Gene “Holopaw” Actually Heated-Up a Kick-Start Lever and Bent
One for Me (good job and nice price)
•Starter-Motor Comes with Factory Spacer Plates (two shim
plates) and Care Must Be Taken When Fitting to Ensure the Teeth
Engage Properly with the Flywheel (try some white graphite)
Electric Starter Electric Starter -- Long. The longer motor is
current fitment to all electric startLong. The longer motor is
current fitment to all electric start Urals. It can be fitted as a
replacement for the Urals. It can be fitted as a replacement for
the earlier short type motor, but you will require a new
kickearlier short type motor, but you will require a new
kick--start lever with a greater offset to clear the back of the
startstart lever with a greater offset to clear the back of the
starter er motor. motor. Part #: F24320/LONGPart #: F24320/LONGList
Price: List Price:
££245.00245.00(www.f2motorcycles.ltd.(www.f2motorcycles.ltd.ukuk))
Kick-StartLeverwith
“bend”
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CT362ACT362A
The CT362 starter-motor, also seen on the Internet, mounts on
the flange of the gearbox, just as the CT369.
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StarterStarter--Motor CTMotor CT--362A (ST362A (ST--362A)362A)•
Electric Starter-Motors for Russian Tractors and Special Equipment•
Model 362 (ST362A) At 12 volts. • 37.003.084-88 Production Ukraine•
1993 Release
ST362A StarterST362A Starter--MotorMotorPart #:
CT362A.3708000Part #: CT362A.3708000Place of Origin:Place of
Origin: cheetszyancheetszyan, China, ChinaCar Make: Ukraine Tractor
362ACar Make: Ukraine Tractor 362AVendor ID: 242659521Vendor ID:
242659521((russianrussian..alibabaalibaba.com.com
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StarterStarter--Motors:Motors: СТСТ--362362
StarterStarter--Motor Motor СТСТ362362АА, Discontinued,
Discontinued((epriborepribor.com).com)
StarterStarter--MotorMotor
СТСТ--362362(www.(www.rustehkomplektrustehkomplekt..ruru))
Starter for Porsche 968Starter for Porsche 968CT362A
StarterCT362A StarterList Price: 700 rubles List Price: 700 rubles
(auto64.(auto64.ruru))
CT362A StarterCT362A Starter--Motor12Motor12--Volt StarterVolt
StarterList Price: $105List Price:
$105(www.(www.dneprdnepr--kievkiev.com).com)
The CT362 starter-motor has been discontinued.
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StarterStarter--Motor 3708 CT362 Motor 3708 CT362
http://www.http://www.ziandziand.com/html/.com/html/ruru/catalog/Starting_Engine/Starter_ST362./catalog/Starting_Engine/Starter_ST362.htmhtm
1. Relay cover 1. Relay cover 2. Gasket 2. Gasket 3. Spring 3.
Spring 4. Lock washer 4. Lock washer 5. Washer 5. Washer 6. Bar 6.
Bar 7. Washer 7. Washer 8. Washer 8. Washer 9. Spring 9. Spring 10.
Washer 10. Washer 11. Bolt pin 11. Bolt pin 12. Stock 12. Stock 13.
Nut 13. Nut 14. Washer 14. Washer 15. Yoke 15. Yoke 16. Spring 16.
Spring 17. Housing 17. Housing 18. Anchor (Movable Core)18. Anchor
(Movable Core)19. Lever 19. Lever 20. Gasket 20. Gasket 21. Cover
21. Cover 22. Washer 22. Washer 23. Lever Axis23. Lever Axis24. Pin
24. Pin 25. Screw 25. Screw 26. Insert (d=9mm, D=13.8, L=13mm)26.
Insert (d=9mm, D=13.8, L=13mm)27. Washer 27. Washer 28. Washer 28.
Washer 29. Ring 29. Ring
30. Ring 30. Ring 31. Gear 31. Gear 32. Spring 32. Spring 33.
Cup Sleeve 33. Cup Sleeve 34. Washer 34. Washer 35. Bearing Cup 35.
Bearing Cup 36. Ring 36. Ring 37. Insulated Brush37. Insulated
Brush38. Anchor 38. Anchor 39. Brush Holder 39. Brush Holder 40.
Brush Bare40. Brush Bare41.41. Insert d= 9mm, D= 13,8, L=
13mmInsert d= 9mm, D= 13,8, L= 13mm42. Ring 42. Ring
43. Cover 43. Cover 44. Spring Brush 44. Spring Brush 45. Gasket
45. Gasket 46. Cap 46. Cap 47. Bolt 47. Bolt 48. Washer 48. Washer
49. Washer 49. Washer 50. Screw 50. Screw 51. Washer 51. Washer 52.
Nut 52. Nut 53. Nut 53. Nut 54. Washer 54. Washer 55. Finger 55.
Finger 56. Bolt M10x3056. Bolt M10x3057. Washer57. Washer
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•Service after 1920 hours of Operation•Follow These Steps:a)
Dismantle the Starter.b) Check the Status of the Switch and Clean
Them of Dust and Dirt Using Fsuper-Fine Sandpaper•Wipe Collector
(Commutator) (11) with a Clean Cloth manifold (11), Soaked in
Gasoline•Check Condition of Brushes (5)–Brush Should Fit the Entire
Face of the Commutator and Move Freely in the Brush Holders–Check
the Pressure Springs on the Brushes•Force Measured by a Dynamometer
Should Be between 1000-1400 gauss (10-14 h)
•Oil (Lubricate) the Starter, Neck and Shaft Splines,
Thrust-Washers, Pins and the Axis of the Lever•After Assembly, the
Gap between the End of the Drive Gear (1) and Thrust Ring (10) on
the Armature Shaft (9) when the Solenoid position and the selected
actuator backlash toward the collector Needs to be 2 mm. (The gap
is not adjustable)•Checking the Starter Idling Current to Consume
Less than 50-Amps, while the Speed of Rotation of the Armature
Should Be Less than 5,000 rpm•Starter Armature Rotates in Two
Bearings, Pressed in the Cover•Two Insulated and Non-Insulated
Brush Holder•Engagement with the Flywheel Gear and Transmission of
Torque from the Starter to Engine Are Carried Out by Drive Roller
(7) Moving Along Helical Slots in the Armature Shaft (9)•Engaging
the Gear with the Flywheel Is Caused by a Lever (2) Connected with
a Spring-Loaded Solenoid Core
1.1. Engaging (Drive) GearEngaging (Drive) Gear2.2.
LeverLever3.3. EarringEarring4.4. SpringSpring5.5.
BrushesBrushes6.6. Contact BoltsContact Bolts7.7. Drive
CouplingDrive Coupling8.8. CoverCover9.9. Armature Shaft
(Rotor)Armature Shaft (Rotor)10.10. Thrust RingThrust Ring11.11.
Collector (Collector (CommutatorCommutator))
Servicing the Servicing the СТСТ362 (ST362) 362 (ST362)
(tractor(tractor--mtz80mtz80--mtz82.mtz82.ruru))
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••KickKick--Starter Lever for IMZStarter Lever for
IMZ--8.1248.124--18075 (650/750cc) Electric18075 (650/750cc)
Electric--StartStart–#4: 750/650 Kick-Start Lever, '6304045 before
2006, Chrome –#4: 750/650 cc 'IMZ-8.1036-04045-10 Kick-Start Lever
from 2006, Chrome
••KickKick--Starter Lever for IMZStarter Lever for IMZ--8.1036
and IMZ8.1036 and IMZ--8.10378.1037–36: IMZ-8.1236-04045-10
•Bell Covers and Gaskets––Starter Cover, Plastic: IMZStarter
Cover, Plastic: IMZ--8.8.124124--1811118111––Starter Cover,
Aluminum: IMZStarter Cover, Aluminum:
IMZ--8.8.10371037--1811118111–– Ural Starter Cover GasketUral
Starter Cover Gasket•• List Price: $25.95List Price:
$25.95••motorcycleaccessoriesusamotorcycleaccessoriesusa.com.com
PlasticPlastic
AluminumAluminum
GasketGasket
KickKick--Start Levers and Bell for Ural Electric StartersStart
Levers and Bell for Ural Electric Starters
Notice the cute little bend in the kick-start lever for later
(from 2006)model Urals to handle the longer CT369Б starter
motors.
Specify color or chrome when ordering.
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Gear Case for Mounting StarterGear Case for Mounting
Starter--Motor (650 / 750 cc)Motor (650 / 750 cc)Mounting Flange
Mounting Flange for Starterfor Starter--MotorMotor KickKick--Start
LeverStart Lever
Gear Shift LeverGear Shift Lever
Bell CoverBell Cover
The gearbox was modified in 1998-1/2 to provide a mounting
flange for a starter-motor.
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Starter Motor, 12VStarter Motor, 12V(Ural, Dnepr) (Ural, Dnepr)
Part #: CT369Part #: CT369Vendor ID: 160917759019Vendor ID:
160917759019List Price: $130.00 USD NewList Price: $130.00 USD
New(www.(www.ebayebay.com).com)
Inscription: CT369 12VInscription: CT369 12VТУТУ
37.003.72437.003.724--7777
06 / 200806 / 2008ВИРОБЛЕЮВИРОБЛЕЮ ВВ УКРАУКРАїїННїї
(Made in Ukraine)(Made in Ukraine)
Electric Starter (Electric Starter (СтартерСтартер УралУрал
электроэлектро))
The CT369 is the “A” version of the Ural electric-start motor
(shorter version).
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369369ББ.3708 and 392.3708.3708 and 392.3708The EndThe End--Cap
of the Later Version (CT369Cap of the Later Version (CT369ББ)
Extends ) Extends
about 25mm Beyond the Electrical Terminals. about 25mm Beyond
the Electrical Terminals.
Electric Starter, Dnepr (369Electric Starter, Dnepr (369ББ.3708)
.3708) Part #: 003.900Part #: 003.900List Price: List Price:
€€150.00150.00(www.(www.oldtimergarageoldtimergarage..eueu))
369369ББ.3708.3708
Electric starter 12V, UralElectric starter 12V, UralVendor ID:
003.899Vendor ID: 003.899Part #: IMZPart #:
IMZ--8.1248.124--1807518075--1010List Price: List Price:
€€180.00180.00(www.(www.oldtimergarageoldtimergarage..eueu))
392.3708392.3708
Old Timer Garage supplies two types of starter-motors, the
392.3708 for the Ural, 392.3708 for the Ural, whichwhich is the
shorter version; and the 369369ББ.3708 for the Dnepr, .3708 for the
Dnepr,
which is the longer which is the longer version).
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CT369CT369ББ Electric StartersElectric Starters
Electric StarterElectric Starter(Dnepr)(Dnepr)Part #: 369Part #:
369ББ.3708.3708Vendor ID: 003.900Vendor ID: 003.900List Price: List
Price:
€€150.00150.00(www.(www.oldtimergarageoldtimergarage..eueu))
(Ural Motorcycle 650 /750)(Ural Motorcycle 650 /750)Part #:
IMZPart #:
IMZ--8.1248.124--1807518075(www.auto(www.auto--elektrikelektrik.de).de)
Inscription: 369Inscription: 369ББ (369B) 12.2011(369B)
12.2011
Electric Starter Electric Starter -- Long. The longer motor is
current fitment to all electric Long. The longer motor is current
fitment to all electric start Urals. It can be fitted as a
replacement for the earlier sstart Urals. It can be fitted as a
replacement for the earlier short type hort type motor but you will
require a new kickmotor but you will require a new kick--start
lever with a greater offset to start lever with a greater offset to
clear the back of the starter motor. clear the back of the starter
motor. Part #: F24320/LONGPart #: F24320/LONGList Price: List
Price:
££245.00245.00(www.f2motorcycles.ltd.(www.f2motorcycles.ltd.ukuk))
Electric Starter Electric Starter (Ural 750/650)(Ural
750/650)Part #: IMZPart #: IMZ--8.1248.124--1807518075Vendor ID:
1725Vendor ID: 1725List Price: List Price:
€€245.14245.14(www.(www.uralural--europaeuropa.com).com)
Electric Starter Electric Starter Part #: IMZPart #:
IMZ--8.1248.124--18075 18075 Engine: 650/750 Engine: 650/750 List
Price: $300 List Price: $300
http://www.http://www.uralural.ca/parts.html.ca/parts.html
The CT369The CT369ББ Electric StartersElectric Starters are the
newer, longer electric starters for Urals.
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Suppliers of Ural Electric StartersSuppliers of Ural Electric
Starters
Starter Motor, 12VStarter Motor, 12V(Dnepr, Ural)(Dnepr,
Ural)List Price: $120.00List Price:
$120.00(www.(www.ebayebay.com).com)
Ural Electric StarterUral Electric StarterList Price: 4,999
rubles List Price: 4,999 rubles (www.mc78.(www.mc78.ruru))ororUral
Electric StarterUral Electric StarterList Price: 4,350 rubles List
Price: 4,350 rubles (750cc.(750cc.ruru))
369.3708369.3708
Starter 369.3708 Whirlwind (ELECTROMASH)Starter 369.3708
Whirlwind (ELECTROMASH)Vendor ID: Vendor ID:
11651165--ElmashElmashMfgrMfgr: : ELECTROMASHELECTROMASH
KhersonKhersonList Price: $621.94List Price:
$621.94((ruavtoruavto.com..com.uaua))ororOEM Ural Starter for All
750/650ccOEM Ural Starter for All 750/650ccImproved, Late Model
(Longer)Improved, Late Model (Longer)List Price: $145List Price:
$145((hotspringshotsprings--arar..americanlistedamericanlisted.com).com)
Starter, Whirlwind (Starter, Whirlwind
(ElectromashElectromash))Part #: 369.3708 Part #: 369.3708 List
Price: $418.00List Price:
$418.00(shop.(shop.prizmaavtoprizmaavto.com..com.uaua))
Starter Motor for Dnepr 650ccStarter Motor for Dnepr 650ccVendor
ID: S2072 Vendor ID: S2072 List Price: List Price:
€€189.00189.00(www.(www.uralural--zentralezentrale.de).de)
Unless the vendor includes the part # (CT369 or CT369Б), it’s
hard to tell if the starter motor is long. The best way is to
measure the motor
from the base of the flange to the end of the end-cap.
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Common Problems for Starter CTCommon Problems for Starter
CT--369 and Possible Solutions369 and Possible SolutionsExternal
manifestation of External manifestation of
faults faults Probable cause Probable cause Remedy Remedy
When pulling the starter When pulling the starter relay, but the
starter does relay, but the starter does not crank or cranks the
not crank or cranks the flywheel slowly flywheel slowly
Lack of reliable contacts in places Lack of reliable contacts in
places connecting wires to the starter and connecting wires to the
starter and
battery battery
Check the contactsCheck the contacts
Stuck or worn brushes Stuck or worn brushes Eliminate hang or
replace worn brushes Eliminate hang or replace worn brushes
Dirty collector Dirty collector Wipe or strip the collector Wipe
or strip the collector
Discharged or defective battery Discharged or defective battery
Recharge or replace battery Recharge or replace battery
Anchor starter spinning but Anchor starter spinning but not
cranking the flywheel not cranking the flywheel
Stalled freewheel drive starter Stalled freewheel drive starter
Replace drive Replace drive
When the starter is audible When the starter is audible rattle
(gear does not rattle (gear does not engage with the rim engage
with the rim flywheel) flywheel)
Clogged flywheel teeth Clogged flywheel teeth Strip Nick on the
teeth or replace a crown Strip Nick on the teeth or replace a
crown
Clogged starter gear teeth Clogged starter gear teeth Clean the
drive or replace Nick Clean the drive or replace Nick
The actuator moves the shaft tightly The actuator moves the
shaft tightly anchor anchor
Wipe the slot drive shaft and bushing cloth Wipe the slot drive
shaft and bushing cloth lightly soaked in gasoline, and grease
motorists lightly soaked in gasoline, and grease motorists
After starting the starter After starting the starter motor does
not turn off motor does not turn off
Jamming drive shaft starter armature Jamming drive shaft starter
armature Dismantle the starter and remove the cause of Dismantle
the starter and remove the cause of seizure seizure
Jamming anchor magnetic switch Jamming anchor magnetic switch
Remove the cause of seizure Remove the cause of seizure
The most common problems include the lack of a starter or weak
cranking the flywheel when the solenoid pulls in. The main reason
for this may be a problem with the electrical circuit: bad contacts
in the starter or the battery
terminals, discharging, worn or hung brushes, or oxidation of
the commutator.
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1998 Ural Deco with Hitachi Starter1998 Ural Deco with Hitachi
Starter--GeneratorGenerator•Late '98 was the first of the Electric
Starter for Ural
FrontFront
FrontFront
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1818--Amp Hitachi StarterAmp Hitachi
Starter--GeneratorGenerator
Cha
rge
Cha
rge
++
--
IgnitionIgnitionSwitchSwitch
IsolationIsolationSwitchSwitch
StarterStarterSolenoidSolenoid
MomentaryMomentaryStarter ButtonStarter Button
(black, on handlebar)(black, on handlebar)
Voltage RegulatorVoltage Regulator
DiodeDiode
1010ΩΩ ResistorResistor
3030ΩΩ ResistorResistor
DD--
.
..
..
.
F2F2
Regulator CoilRegulator Coil
F1F1
Beefy Beefy TerminalsTerminals
On many models, the silicone Diode is On many models, the
silicone Diode is mounted across the large terminals of mounted
across the large terminals of
the Starter Solenoidthe Starter Solenoid
Starting
Starting
Note: Two wires to Note: Two wires to handlebar button.handlebar
button.
SmallSmallRedRedWireWire
LargeLargeWhiteWhiteWireWire
Small Small BlackBlackWireWire
LargeLargeGreyGreyWireWire
Middle ProngMiddle ProngOf Top RowOf Top Row FuseFuse
to Horn & to Horn & Brake LightsBrake Lig
#2#2hts
1212--VoltVoltBatteryBattery
Generator Fault LampGenerator Fault Lamp(red, lights when
battery voltage (red, lights when battery voltage is greater than
charging voltageis greater than charging voltageextinguishes at
high rpm when extinguishes at high rpm when
charging)
SS
charging)Installed on Some Models,Installed on Some Models,Used
to Keep Battery from Used to Keep Battery from
Discharging Over LongDischarging Over Long--Term StorageTerm
Storage(if not present, replaced with a wire)(if not present,
replaced with a wire) D+D+
A1A1 DFDF
Hitachi Hitachi StarterStarter--GeneratorGenerator
(18(18--Amp, 0.9HPAmp, 0.9HPGSB107GSB107--04A,04A,
FiveFive--Terminal)Terminal)Up Up tocChargingtocCharging
voltage, voltage,
the winding current is the winding current is max, as the FF
terminal is max, as the FF terminal is effectively grounded. As
effectively grounded. As Voltage at D+ increases, Voltage at D+
increases,
the relay pullsthe relay pulls--In, In, reducing the winding
reducing the winding
current by placing a 10current by placing a 10ΩΩresistor in
series.resistor in series.
DFDF
A2A2Armature (A)Armature (A)
(Rotor) Field (F) WindingField (F) Winding(Stator)(Rotor)
(Stator)
DT Stands for DT Stands for Dynamo FieldDynamo Field
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Optional Electric Start on Early 650cc Urals Optional Electric
Start on Early 650cc Urals (2001 Owner(2001 Owner’’s Manual)s
Manual)
.
Notice, starterNotice, starter--motor geared to flywheel.motor
geared to flywheel.
In 1998-1/2, Ural offered electric-start for its 650cc bikes. It
used the CT369 starter-motor from the Whirlwind (Vortex) outboard
engines,
popular in the USSR, and built in Irbit (home-town of Ural).
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Up until 2006, Urals used the CT369 electric starters, which
allowed straight kick-start levers. After that, the kick-start
levers needed to be
modified to avoid interference with the longer replacement
starter-motor.
20032003--2007 Owners Manual (Gear Up, Patrol, Tourist)2007
Owners Manual (Gear Up, Patrol, Tourist)
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Ural 650/750cc Starter/Alternator Circuit (2002Ural 650/750cc
Starter/Alternator Circuit (2002--2003) with 352003) with 35--Amp
AlternatorAmp Alternator
.
.
Connector Pin
Male Female
85 86 30 87 85 86 30 87
Pos +
Neg -
Red(Alternator
Fault)
RY-115Electric Start
Relay #2(Normally Open)
Starter Motor
12 VoltBattery
Momentary“Start”Button
Rocker-Arm“Run / Kill”
Switch
Right Handlebar
Headlight Cavity
6 5 1 2 3
white
4
3
1
2
grn / red
yel / red
red
pnk/ blk IgnitionModule
+ -
In-Line Fuse #1
+ FaultTerminal(spade)
Starter Solenoid
Notes:1. In-Line Fuse #1 (15A) for Turn Signal and
Neutral Indicator Lamp.2. Fuse Block #4 Fuse (5A) for Ignition
and
Electric Start Relays.
8586
30
87
“Run”“Kill”
(0V.: Engine not running,+12V.: Engine running and
Alternator working.”)
“Start”
top
bottom
35 Amp Russian(Hand Grenade)
Brakes
Headlites
Run Lites
+ Main Output(ring)
red
gray
(back-side)(face-side)
red
9-pin Connector
RY-115Electric Start
Relay #1(Normally Open)
blackredwhitegreen(+12V. in “Run” position)
Neutral Switch
largewhite
Green(Neutral)
largeblack
blue
green
redIgnitionSwitch ChassisGround
(+12V. When Ignition Switch on “Run”)
Fuse BlockIgnition KeyTerminal
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Replacement 12Replacement 12--Volt Starter on My 2003 PatrolVolt
Starter on My 2003 Patrol
The CT369The CT369ББ (replacement) required a (replacement)
required a “”“”bentbent”” kickkick--start lever start lever to
avoid interference. to avoid interference.
CT369Б (ST369B)
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Ural 750cc Starter/Alternator Circuit (2004Ural 750cc
Starter/Alternator Circuit (2004--2005) with N2005) with N--D 55D
55--Amp AlternatorAmp Alternator
.
Connector Pin
Male Female
85 86 30 87 85 86 30 87
Pos +
Neg -
RY-115Electric Start
Relay #1(Normally Open)
RY-115Electric Start
Relay #2(Normally Open)
StarterStarter--MotorMotor
12 VoltBattery
Headlight Cavity
6 5 1 2 3
black
white
red
4
3
1
2
red
blue
Starter SolenoidStarter Solenoid
Notes:1. In-Line Fuse #1 (15A) for Turn Signal
and Neutral Indicator Lamp.2. Fuse Block #4 Fuse (5A) for
Ignition &
Electric Start Relays.
(+12V. when Ignition Switch on “Run”)
(0V.: Engine not running+12V.: Engine running and
Alternator working.”)
bottom
Notes:1. Two Start Relays (RY-115)2. In-Line Fuse #1 deleted
mid-2005
55 Amp Nippon55 Amp Nippon--Denso Denso AlternatorAlternator +
Main
Output
IG(ignition)
L(lamp)
L
IG
green
Brakes
Headlites
Run Lites
(+12V. in “Run” position)
.
Right Handlebar
grn / red
yel / red
red
pnk/ blk IgnitionModule
+ -
In-Line Fuse #1
8586
30
87
“Run”“Kill”
“Start”
top
red
gray
(back-side)(face-side)
9-pin Connector .
Rocker-Arm“Run / Kill”
Switch
Momentary“Start”Button
whitelargegreyNeutral Switch large
black
Green(Neutral)
Red(Alternator
Fault) redred
IgnitionSwitch ChassisGround
Fuse BlockIgnition Key Terminalblack
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Ural 750cc Starter Circuit (2006Ural 750cc Starter Circuit
(2006--2007) 2007) SingleSingle--Relay
.
Connector Pin
Male Female
85 86 30 87
Pos +
Neg -
RY-115Electric Start Relay
(Normally Open)
StarterStarter--MotorMotor
55 Amp55 AmpNipponNippon--Denso AlternatorDenso Alternator
12 VoltBattery
5 6 1 2 3
16 red
15A
5A
15A
5A
grn/red
yel/red
red
pnk/blkDucati
IgnitionModule
+ -
+ Main Output
8586
30
87
GFED
18 blk/red
18 brn/red
18 brn/red
Momentary“Start”Button
Rocker-Arm“Run / Kill”
Switch “Kill”
(+12V. in ”Run” position)
“Start”
“Run”
L
IG
Notes:1. Single Start Relay (RY-115)2. ND Alternator added
20043. In-Line Fuse #1 Deleted mid-2005
Relay
Right Handlebar
Starter SolenoidStarter Solenoid
Headlight Cavity18 brn/red
10-pin Connector 18 blu/wht 16 wht8 red
18 pnk
12 redNeutral SwitchGreen
(Neutral) 18 blk/red
Fuse BlockRed
(Alternator Fault)
18 pnk/blk8 blk18 pnk/blk
Terminal
Ignition Key
12 red
IgnitionSwitch
14
Note: # in front of wire color is AWG wire size.
18 bluChassisGround
bluIG
(ignition)
L(lamp)
14 blu
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Ural (Ural (УралУрал) ) 20102010--2011 (750cc)2011 (750cc)
55 Amp55 AmpNipponNippon--Denso AlternatorDenso Alternator
StarterStarter--Motor Motor and Solenoidand Solenoid
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Ural (Ural (УралУрал) ) IMZIMZ--8.1037 (with Electric8.1037
(with Electric--Start)Start)
Ural (????) - Dnepr (?????) Electric Starters for Russian
MotorcyclesPart I: Electric Starter-Motors(See Also Part II:
HiElectric Starter HistoryUral Starter / Generator / Alternator
Timeline750cc Breakdown Showing Electric Starter MotorPre-1998 Ural
650s without Electric-StartPost-1998.5 / Pre-2003 Ural 650’s with
Electric-StartPost-2003 Ural 750’s with Electric-StartUral
Starter-Motor Derived from Popular Russian Outboard
EngineELECTROMASH, Kherson Electric Plant, UkraineOriginal Electric
Starter CT369 (ST369)Ural Electric StarterOld & New (Longer)
CT369 Diagram (www.electromash.com.ua)Electric Starter 391.3708 for
Russian VAZ-1111 "OKA" Car (Manufacturer Electromesh)Ural
Electric-Start Motor Has Various DesignationsVAZ-1111 "OKA"
Starter(Sold by Some as an “Add-On” Electric-Start, Requires
Modifications)Specs on 12-Volt Starter Motors Used in UralsThe High
Torque and Poor Metallurgy Accounts for the Cracked Bell on My
Electric Starter (2003 Patrol)Another Ural Starter (CT369) Failure
(www.russianiron.com)CT369? Starter for Ural MotorcyclesCT369?
(CT369B) Later Version of Starter Motor for UralModified Kick-Start
LeversCT362AStarter-Motor CT-362A (ST-362A)Starter-Motors:
??-362Starter-Motor 3708 CT362
http://www.ziand.com/html/ru/catalog/Starting_Engine/Starter_ST362.htmServicing
the ??362 (ST362) (tractor-mtz80-mtz82.ru)Kick-Start Levers and
Bell for Ural Electric StartersGear Case for Mounting Starter-Motor
(650 / 750 cc)369?.3708 and 392.3708CT369? Electric
StartersSuppliers of Ural Electric StartersCommon Problems for
Starter CT-369 and Possible Solutions1998 Ural Deco with Hitachi
Starter-Generator18-Amp Hitachi Starter-GeneratorOptional Electric
Start on Early 650cc Urals (2001 Owner’s Manual)2003-2007 Owners
Manual (Gear Up, Patrol, Tourist)Ural 650/750cc Starter/Alternator
Circuit (2002-2003) with 35-Amp AlternatorReplacement 12-Volt
Starter on My 2003 PatrolUral 750cc Starter/Alternator Circuit
(2004-2005) with N-D 55-Amp AlternatorUral 750cc Starter Circuit
(2006-2007) Single-RelayUral (????) 2010-2011 (750cc)Ural (????)
IMZ-8.1037 (with Electric-Start)