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bevevans22 20:00

OKay people. Time for #ukedchat - 'Why are some subjects

considered more academic or worthy than others?' - initial views

please

mattpearson 20:01

I guess it is tradition...the big subjects like maths, sciences and Eng

Lit have been around longer #ukedchat

bellaale 20:01#ukedchat because of preconceived ideas based on how they weretaught

ChrisMartinE1 20:01

#ukedchat because they are more difficult. Looking at alps data

demonstrates this very clearly.

bellaale 20:01 #ukedchat

SheliBB 20:02

social skills, collaboration, independence are essential for learning

and life too #ukedchat

xPunzx 20:02

RT @tas_sasso: Please watch and RT my video on the teacher's

pensions. http://t.co/BRPJ7Eh Or http://t.co/12E58D2 for iphone

users. #j30 #ukedchat #nut

PivotalEllie 20:02

@GaryH2UK #ukedchat Yes, this is very true. Do we need a whole

rethink of what subjects are taught in schools today?

ukedchat 20:02

Over to @bevevans22 for #ukedchat this evening, discussing why

some subjects are considered more worthy than others.

deerwood 20:02

Perhaps it is a legacy, if you need to use your hands more than your

mind, is that subject is seen as less academic? #ukedchat

bellaale 20:02 because of trad, boring way they are (sometimes) taught #ukedchat

bevevans22 20:02

#ukedchat I always found it annoying that my brother's history a

level was considered' better' than art - anyone feel the same?

GaryH2UK 20:02

#ukedchat we prepare students for future (unknown) jobs by

teaching them subjects we taught 50+ years ago.

Creativeedu 20:02

RT @bevevans22: OKay people. Time for #ukedchat - 'Why are

some subjects considered more academic or worthy than others?' -

initial views please

bellaale 20:03

any subject can have a high-end, so-called "academic" aspect -

depends on approach #ukedchat

ukedchat 20:03

Please remember to include #ukedchat within your tweet, so your

comments can be captured within the archive.

GaryAveryICT 20:03

Parental pressure e.g...these were important in my day and they

are now #ukedchat

ChrisMartinE1 20:03 #ukedchat traditional != boring

Creativeedu 20:03

@bevevans22 I did a psychology degree rather than english as I

thought it would be more useful - but less respected! #ukedchat

PivotalEllie 20:04

@deerwood #ukedchat interesting idea about using hands. But

really most people learn well with hands on activities - are they less

academic

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ukedchat 20:04

Please also unprotect your tweets for the #ukedchat session,

otherwise your comments will not be read by everyone :-(

ChrisMartinE1 20:04

@PivotalEllie @ but if future jobs are unknown what do you

rethink? Will these unknown jobs not require accurate

communication? #ukedchat

mattbuxton10 20:04

Depends on view of education; 4me it's about self-realisation,4govt is OECD rankings. There4 I view subjects of = worth, govt not

#ukedchat

mr_chadwick 20:05

All subjects are academic, but reading, writing and maths skills are

most important? Right? #ukedchat

Creativeedu 20:05

my school considered economics and business as subjects for less

able. Wish I'd done them now! #ukedchat

MrMalcontent 20:05

'cause from ridiculously early age r emphasis of success is reading,

writing and maths scores. No surprise considering the testing

#ukedchat

mattpearson 20:05

we need to be a bit careful about these unknown jobs, the 'shift

happens' video many base this had shaky basis #ukedchat

bellaale 20:05 relevance more important than "academic"? #ukedchat

PivotalEllie 20:05

@ChrisMartinE1 #ukedchat For sure Communication is the one

thing that we will always need, but methods of communication are

changing

Stephen_Logan 20:05

RT @GaryH2UK: #ukedchat we prepare students for future

(unknown) jobs by teaching them subjects we taught 50+ years ago.

JOHNSAYERS 20:05

As a geographer my school felt it more important to flood students

with GCSE equivalents like ASDAN. I lost 24 hours of teaching!

#ukedchat

ChrisMartinE1 20:05 @SheliBB Agreed, teaching facts is important as well. #ukedchat

mikeatedji 20:05

#ukedchat what do we mean by academic exactly? Difficult?

Respected? All subjects require critical thinking

ChrisMartinE1 20:06

@PivotalEllie speaking and writing are pretty much constants

whatever the medium. #ukedchat

bevevans22 20:06

Apologies for my lack of tweets during #ukedchat - computer just

decided to crash on me. back to the discussion...

JOHNSAYERS 20:06

Students with ASDAN / PSHCE quals can with English and Maths fill

league table criteria. So other subjects suffer! #ukedchat

mrjshaw 20:06

#ukedchat they are considered more worthy because of inherited

perceptions of effective learning

PivotalEllie 20:06 @mikeatedji #ukedchat Traditional?

mattpearson 20:06

of course some new jobs will emerge, but they will need literate,

numerate people good with technology and above all creative

#ukedchat

mattpearson 20:07

if you created a new course in social media, to help students exploit

twitter for their jobs, what status would it have #ukedchat

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pitco_cobil 20:07

RT @briankotts: 10 Ways Wikipedia Has Changed Education

http://bit.ly/iYVDv3 #edchat #ukedchat #eduswe #edtech

teachingofsci 20:07

@bellaale i'd agree, they're methods and techniques. add ICT?

#ukedchat

GaryH2UK 20:07

@PivotalEllie #ukedchat perhaps we need to be thinking beyond

just subjects

pivotalpaul 20:07 #ukedchat Speaking and listening first, then reading and writing

carolrainbow 20:07

#ukedchat Some subjects are fundamental to learning - research

methods, language, maths and the ability to analyse info enables

learning

SheliBB 20:07

I think in primary schools we have no choice but to deem maths

and English more worthy, because that's what success is measured

by #ukedchat

bellaale 20:07

reading, writing & maths are not subjects - they can all be taught

through other areas *ducks thrown objects* #ukedchat

MrMalcontent 20:07

And, granted, those three are essential life skills in our society

#ukedchat

grouchyteacher 20:08

We are tested so heavily on reading and math here in the US that

those subjects get the most emphasis #ukedchat

ePaceonline 20:08

#ukedchat In many ways the differences between subjects is

arbitrary and so it pointless to deem some more important than

others

misshbond 20:08

@CreativeEdu Yes, business was the 'doss' for those who didn't

care about school #ukedchat

ChrisMartinE1 20:08

#ukedchat You can't access all areas of learning without being

either numerate or literate-that's not a perception.

JOHNSAYERS 20:08

moderation of 14 students can mean a whole year group can get

the equivalent of BB at GCSE so for HT why not!? Mickey taking

over #ukedchat

bellaale 20:08

RT @teachingofsci: @bellaale i'd agree, they're methods and

techniques. add ICT? #ukedchat > yup: even #gove talked about

that recently!

sh_hanes 20:08 #ukedchat what are we talking about?

Calie77 20:08

#ukedchat also depends on individual & what they want out of life.

If they use the subject they study then that's the most academic for

them

GaryAveryICT 20:08

oh..having re-read I mean you are academic.... if you excel at other

things than 3'rs #ukedchat

mrjshaw 20:08 #ukedchat real question is what is the purpose of education ;)

Stephen_Logan 20:08

RT @mattpearson: of course some new jobs will emerge, but they

will need literate, numerate people good with technology and

above all creative #ukedchat

bevevans22 20:08

#ukedchat IMO a subject like art or music takes real skill where as

others that are more fact based can be learnt. Is that the wrong

view?

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mikeatedji 20:09

@PivotalEllie #ukedchat "traditional". Just wondering what we

meant by academic...Maybe an old way of differentiating value,

narrowly

GaryAveryICT 20:09 @bevevans22 that was about to be my point too! #ukedchat

bevevans22 20:09

RT @GaryH2UK: @PivotalEllie #ukedchat perhaps we need to be

thinking beyond just subjects - agreed!

dughall 20:09

I was one of the last cohorts of teachers allowed to do PGCE who

has a degree in a non-national curriculum subject (Philosophy)

#ukedchat

GaryH2UK 20:09

@carolrainbow #ukedchat most of those ' skills' are subject

independent

ChemAngel 20:09

@bevevans22 #ukedchat the 'academic' subjects therefore are the

ones that rely on learning not skill... I'm not saying that's right

though

xPunzx 20:09oooh #ukedchat time; that hour when I talk about education ratherthan planning my actual educational lessons for tomorrow!

bevevans22 20:09

@SheliBB but why is success measured in that way? Many

successful business people admit to being unacademic #ukedchat

Creativeedu 20:09

@bevevans22 depends what level you're taking them too I think...

#ukedchat

teachingofsci 20:09

@bevevans22 is that because in some subjects you are normally

learrning *about* them in schools, not often *doing* them (inc sci)

#ukedchat

OSC_IB 20:09

Can we overcome a perceived imbalance by offering a broad

curriculum rather than asking students to select a few subjects?

#ukedchat

ChrisMartinE1 20:09

RT @carolrainbow: #ukedchat Some subjects are fundamental to

learning - research methods, language, maths and the ability to

analyse info enables learning

mattpearson 20:09

@sh_hanes why some subjects are valued more highly and

considered more academic than others #ukedchat

ePaceonline 20:09

RT @mrjshaw: #ukedchat real question is what is the purpose of

education ;)

bellaale 20:09

RT @mrjshaw: #ukedchat real question is what is the purpose of

education ;) > #purposed

ePaceonline 20:10

RT @mrjshaw: #ukedchat they are considered more worthy

because of inherited perceptions of effective learning

OSC_IB 20:10

@activekath yes, so some subjects may be thought of as more

worthy based upon student's ambition or uni choice? #ukedchat

dajbelshaw 20:10

@dughall I had to do MA in Modern History to get onto the PGCE

Secondary History course at Durham after my Philosophy degree.

#ukedchat

passionateaboot 20:10Would love to join in #ukedchat - perfect time to discuss the meritsof physical education & sport, but in an hotel with dodgy internet

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ePaceonline 20:10

@SheliBB #ukedchat a very valid point! Pupils might begin to see it

like that from a young age as it is those that 'count'.

PivotalEllie 20:10

@GaryH2UK #ukedchat A more cross curricular all inclusive

approach?

sh_hanes 20:10

@mattpearson thank you! I teach History so a very interesting

discussion #ukedchat

Baggiepr 20:10

@bevevans22 #ukedchat I thought my art A level was more

precious as anyone could learn essay techn but creating was higher

>no value tho

ICTmagic 20:10

I believe a diverse curriculum is vital & each child has different

strengths, but in the end its employers that must value them.

#ukedchat

bevevans22 20:10

RT @bellaale: reading, writing & maths are not subjects - they can

all be taught through other areas *ducks thrown objects*

#ukedchat - yes!

bellaale 20:10learning HOW to learn = more fundamental than any one "subject"#ukedchat

Creativeedu 20:10

@misshbond yes but doesn't that seem strange now? GCSE IT was

tarred with the same brush too.. #ukedchat

JOHNSAYERS 20:10

More often than not schools are bottling out of difficult subjects for

bankers with no job prospects! #ukedchat

tas_sasso 20:10

SOME teachers put less effort into planning and teaching a PE

lesson then other subjects.If teachers dont respect it, how can

kids?#ukedchat

niall_m 20:11

#ukedchat there are subjects considered to have more importance

but how can you change peoples thoughts on them?

In2schools 20:11

@CreativeEdu Brilliant info on #ukedchat at http://t.co/6oUgPvl,

thanks!

mattbuxton10 20:11

Doesn't help that teachers often view 'their subjects' in competition

with others. #ebacc debate has perpetuated this!! #ukedchat

dughall 20:11

@dajbelshaw I knew you were a fellow philosopher, Doug. Very

relevant degree for success in teaching, I think ;-) #ukedchat

xPunzx 20:11

#ukedchat some sbjects seen as more academic because they are?

eg I did history as my major at uni - much harder than the politcs

and socy!

Spongelab 20:11

RT @bellaale: learning HOW to learn = more fundamental than any

one "subject" #ukedchat

mattpearson 20:11

@bellaale quite agree with that, but Nick Gibb (schools minister)

has dismissed this as 'poorly defined learning skills' #ukedchat

SheliBB 20:11

@bevevans22 that's what primary's should be taking notice of -

success does not always equal great maths and English skills

#ukedchat

PivotalEllie 20:11

@pipkinzoo #ukedchat But you can still achieve and learn stuff -whether you can do it outside school doesnt' define it as academic

or not

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misshbond 20:11

@bevevans22 If it is in wrong with you. It's a shame English etc are

all about remembering rather than teaching useful skills #ukedchat

dughall 20:12

@bevevans22 Yes. I have often found myself 'defending' my

Philosophy degree :-( #ukedchat

mikeatedji 20:12

#ukedchat doesnt academic also entail ability to make connctions

across disciplines? Also its a certain habit of mind, disposition tolearn

deerwood 20:12

@PivotalEllie traditionally, I think that had been the perception

#ukedchat

PivotalEllie 20:12

@bevevans22 Advice for drama teachers from @pivotalpaul

playing the careers department at their own game

http://bit.ly/kOsnEm #ukedchat

Creativeedu 20:12

RT @Spongelab: RT @bellaale: learning HOW to learn = more

fundamental than any one "subject" #ukedchat


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xPunzx 20:12

and by harder i mean more writing, reading, anaylsing, higher level

thinking etc! #ukedchat

Creativeedu 20:12

Is it more important for kids to choose subjects they enjoy or those

that will be respected in the workplace? #ukedchat

carolrainbow 20:12


one "subject" #ukedchat I agree! Then one can learn whatever theywant!

raiseatree 20:12

Absolutely - but that's the million dollar question RT @bellaale:

learning HOW to learn = more fundamental than any one "subject"

#ukedchat

teachingofsci 20:12

RT @mattbuxton10: Doesn't help that teachers often view 'their

subjects' in competition with others. #ebacc debate has

perpetuated this!! #ukedchat

Creativeedu 20:13

@bevevans22 @dughall - mine = wrongly less respected as it's psyc

AND wrongly more respected because it's oxbridge! #ukedchat

mattpearson 20:13

@bellaale yes but many schools and teachers will fall in line with

dominant ideology, which is uber trad at the moment #ukedchat

Stephen_Logan 20:13

RT @ICTmagic: I believe a diverse curriculum is vital & each child

has different strengths, but in the end its employers that must

value them. #ukedchat

bevevans22 20:13

RT @Langnut: #ukedchat Employers see some subjects as essential,

others desirable & rest as peripheral & curriculum reflects that.

Does it?

MrMalcontent 20:13

However, we operate in a system (both GB and NI), where they are

considered the epitome of academia...Hateful

2donna 20:13

@dughall #ukedchat Me too. My degree is in anthropology. Not

exactly relevant to the primary curriculum!

tas_sasso 20:13

@CreativeEdu they need to do a wide range to maximise

opportunities when the're in their late teens. #ukedchat

Stephen_Logan 20:13

RT @OSC_IB: @ICTmagic but surely it is not down to employers to

select what skills/subjects a student learns? #ukedchat

SheliBB 20:13

chldn shd b helped to achieve their potential-they cld b th next

Vanessa Mae / David Bellamy.We shd stop emphasising core

subjects #ukedchat

dughall 20:13 @dajbelshaw Yup #ukedchat

SheliBB 20:14

@GaryAveryICT Me too-emphasis on 'core' subjects puts so many

at a disadvantage.With creative curriculum, many children can

shine #ukedchat

xPunzx 20:14

#ukedchat snobbery at uni, my history dept would slag others off -

geog colouring in, philosophy bs etc etc! perpetuates the myth?

GaryH2UK 20:14

@PivotalEllie #ukedchat so much focus on facts for exams drives

out creativity. Creativity great revenue earner for UK

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MrMalcontent 20:14

@dughall Ironic though that the NI curriculum puts such an

emphasis on 'thinking skills' now! Thanks to @SirKenRobinson

#ukedchat

JOHNSAYERS 20:14

My house at uni:- I did 30 hrs of lecture/lab time my scientist room

mate 28 hrs. Other 3 did History and did 6 hrs! A week! #ukedchat

deerwood 20:14

As pupils go through state system they select a narrowingcurriculum, if we present a broader curric more subjects can be

valued? #ukedchat

bevevans22 20:14

RT @isis_sister: New Scottish cfe curriculum is making things

slightly better on this front #ukedchat - tell us more...

Creativeedu 20:14

@xPunzx I think that's really true. Better to have a clutch of good

results than a whole bunch of fails in the 'right subjects? #ukedchat

ePaceonline 20:14


one "subject" #ukedchat > agree!

jms429 20:14

@dughall #ukedchat I did a Primary PGCE with a Media Studies

Grad, I'm a Comp Sci Grad - still not sure if it's "national

curriculum"

bellaale 20:14

RT @mattpearson yes but many schools fall in line with dominant

ideology, which is uber trad at the moment #ukedchat > KILL THE

#Ebacc!

teachingofsci 20:14

@mattpearson if anything i'd say teachers tend to resist that kind

of imposed attitude. maybe i just have awkward colleagues?

#ukedchat

Stephen_Logan 20:14

some excellent points made on #ukedchat so far! Very interesting

topic tonight. Trying to keep up to date whilst harvard referencing.

isis_sister 20:14

New Scottish cfe curriculum is making things slightly better on this

front #ukedchat

PivotalEllie 20:14

@bevevans22 #ukedchat Agree - mine too. Though I didn't feel

that way at the time.

bevevans22 20:14

@dughall #ukedchat. think how I feel - mine is in Inclusion

studies...(should I really admit that in public???) #ukedchat

dughall 20:14

@2donna Maybe so, but IMO, does *not* make you any worse a

teacher! #ukedchat

Creativeedu 20:15

@mikeatedji can you gain that from all subjects or just some?

#ukedchat

misshbond 20:15

@CreativeEdu Very much so. I did both of those and the teaching

was awful because the assumption was we were all the thickos

#ukedchat

johnmayo 20:15 #ukedchat Yep there is a snobbery element with history

bellaale 20:15

RT @Stephen_Logan: #ukedchat Very interesting topic tonight.

Trying 2 keep up whilst harvard referencing. > oops! you dropped a

name... ;)

JOHNSAYERS 20:15

Degrees in my view can be done in 2 yrs rather than 3 ease the

debt situation of students #ukedchat

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Creativeedu 20:15

@dughall my husband did classics and the philosophy is the only bit

he found useful since. He uses it every day... #ukedchat

ICTmagic 20:15

@OSC_IB No, that is broadly down to Gov (but should be

teachers/students). We're talking about value, rather than what is

taught. #ukedchat

RachelOrr 20:15#ukedchat I had to take o level geography - it was compulsory butwasn't necessary for any further choices.

dughall 20:15

@bevevans22 Yes! Be proud! If you feel shy to admit it in public,

there is something wrong! #ukedchat

SheliBB 20:16

@deerwood We should give the children a bit more choice about

what and how they want to learn. Enthuse them, not switch them

off #ukedchat

Creativeedu 20:16

what are the key changes in the new scottish curric? (scuse my

ignorance0 @isis_sister #ukedchat

PivotalEllie 20:16

@GaryH2UK #ukedchat Yes, I think you are absolutely right. There

is always the 'need' to test and measure everyone against eachother

jms429 20:16

Does Education ONLY prepare people for the world of work? Must

every subject be relevent? #ukedchat

dughall 20:16

@CreativeEdu I did an A Level in Classics and although I don't use it

daily, I don't regret it. It is about disciplined learning. #ukedchat

mattpearson 20:16

@teachingofsci some do, but e.g. many adopted the literacy hour

exactly as prescribed and did not deviate, even though they could

#ukedchat

OSC_IB 20:16

@2donna @dughall but aren't the skills you gained in studying for

yr degree just as valid throughout schooling? #ukedchat

muckyartist 20:16

RT @bevevans22: Join me at 8pm for tonight's #ukedchat on why

some subjects are valued more than others. What can we do about

it? See you later to discuss

mikeatedji 20:16

RT @Langnut: #ukedchat Surely no hierarchy of subjects as

intellectual pursuits...only their usefulness to the common good

mattbuxton10 20:16

@ePaceonline Agreed; every subject has same core skills

underlying them, is just content & demonstration of them which

differs #ukedchat

Arakwai 20:16

Absolutely --> RT @bellaale: learning HOW to learn = more

fundamental than any one "subject" #ukedchat

bevevans22 20:16

@deerwood #ukedchat It would be nice to think so but some

people will always think of certain subjects as 'better'

Baggiepr 20:16

@Creativeedu At ks2 important that kids are literate with good

basic Maths and have good experiences from wide curriculum

#ukedchat

victoryoak 20:17

RT @dughall: @CreativeEdu I did an A Level in Classics and although

I don't use it daily, I don't regret it. It is about disciplined learning.#ukedchat

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Creativeedu 20:17

@JOHNSAYERS History and English were considered 'good degree

subjects' by my school but undergrads had no respect for them!

#ukedchat

mikeatedji 20:17

@CreativeEdu #ukedchat All subjects in my view...Disposition to

learn inherent in beckham's ability to bend football...same with

engineers

mattpearson 20:17

@dughall disciplined learning is important, and there is *some*sense in what Gove argues on subjects, but it's very deeply hidden

#ukedchat

teachingofsci 20:17

@mattpearson maybe secondary, as already constrained because

of exams, struggle against pedagogy demands more? #ukedchat

isis_sister 20:17

Curriculum For Excellence focuses on experiences of learners and

evidence collected from all curricular areas #ukedchat

dughall 20:17@OSC_IB @RachelOrr As I said to @CreativeEdu I believe it isn't somuch the subject, but learning how to learn. #ukedchat

bellaale 20:17

RT @SheliBB: @deerwood We should give the children a bit more

choice about what and how they want to learn. Enthuse them, not

switch them off #ukedchat

PivotalEllie 20:17

@jms429 #ukedchat I should hope that is not the case, nor should

it be. But maybe that is the place of the 'non-acacemic' subject?

deerwood 20:17

@bevevans22 better? Better for them, their aptitude, their future

plans, or peer pressure? #ukedchat

mr_chadwick 20:17

Interesting to hear how protective people are over their 'specialist

subject' #ukedchat

bevevans22 20:17

@dughall I am proud. Honest guv :) Some people still ask me what

it is though... not a problem you might have with maths etc.

#ukedchat

bellaale 20:17

RT @dughall: @CreativeEdu I did an A Level in Classics and although

I don't use it daily, I don't regret it. It is about disciplined learning.

#ukedchat

raff31 20:18

Important subject are statizised at the moment. The put a value on

the child and the school. #ukedchat

deerwood 20:18 @SheliBB oh yes, absolutely agree. #ukedchat

Creativeedu 20:18

I think 4 years might be taking it a bit far though! @dughall Tom

deeply regrets not being advised to do e.g. business #ukedchat

jamesmichie 20:18

American Studies 4 me - multi-discipline: Lit, Media, History, Politics

- set me up well 4 teaching Media / English / Life #ukedchat

dughall 20:18 @jms429 Know what you mean! #ukedchat

SheliBB 20:18

@GaryAveryICT & enquiry approach lets children practise many life

skills AND they do lots of maths and English without knowing it

#ukedchat

PivotalEllie 20:18

@calie77 #ukedchat Good idea. Do you have any idea how they

would do this? And is it necessary to measure the growth?

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bellaale 20:18

if we all (more or less) agree, why can't we just...make it happen?

#ukedchat

isis_sister 20:18

So in english I work with cdt and rme on a project and it may be the

techy teacher who ends up with the literacy outcome #ukedchat

dughall 20:18 I'm miles behind... #ukedchat

OSC_IB 20:18@dughall @rachelorr @creativeedu Exactly what I was trying to saybut much better put, sir! #ukedchat

SheliBB 20:19

@GaryAveryICT doing maths&English through X-curricular

approach is more natural & less threatening for those who find it

difficult #ukedchat

deerwood 20:19 @dughall come on, keep up! #ukedchat

mattpearson 20:19

@dughall maybe we should start putting participants on #ukedchat

into streams or setting? *jokes*

ePaceonline 20:19

@CreativeEdu #ukedchat I think it is very important to develop

minds and talents, encouraging pupils to maximise their potential.raff31 20:19 Confidence and self- esteem #ukedchat

bevevans22 20:19

@deerwood by the traditionalists I suppose. My brother has loads

of qualifications. Thought of as clever. can't change a plug

#ukedchat

Creativeedu 20:19

@dughall if we had been proper 'customers' paying fully for our

degrees I think we'd have thought more carefully... #ukedchat

mikeatedji 20:19

#ukedchat If our ultimate goal was learning to be good citizens/live

sustainably I wonder what we would value, consider academic?

PivotalEllie 20:19

@mr_chadwick #ukedchat But that is so important & a key part of

being a teacher in a secondary school - enthusiasm about your

subject

RachelOrr 20:19

#ukedchat instilling the passion for learning, curiosity and always

wanting more - success breeds effort and effort leads to success!

mattpearson 20:19

@mr_chadwick my specialist subject is English Lit. I'm not

protective of it all, not sure it should be a sep subject at all

#ukedchat

mattpearson 20:20

my view is we need to set up curriculum and teaching so as many

kids as possible have a profound sense of succeeding in something

#ukedchat

GaryAveryICT 20:20

@SheliBB yes, but many schoolsl don't allow the Eng & Maths to

link to Cross curricular, treat as stand alone.. A mistake I think

#ukedchat

RachelOrr 20:20

#ukedchat - EDUCARE - Latin for drawing out and moving on - we

are not filling empty vessels!!!

13loki 20:20

At school I would have enjoyed business studies more, but

economics was the academic subject. I do tease my b.s. hubby

about it #ukedchat

isis_sister 20:20

@creativeEdu may be pushing it in tweet form! Basic onecurriculum from 3-16 with no barrier to pupils progressing

#ukedchat

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mikeatedji 20:20

RT @Creativeedu: I guess for different people different subjects

hold the key to learning to learn? @mikeatedji #ukedchat

Creativeedu 20:20 welcome to my world! @dughall #ukedchat

dughall 20:20 @deerwood Started late. Kids hassling me... #ukedchat

bellaale 20:20

RT @SheliBB: @GaryAveryICT doing maths&English through X-

curricular approach is more natural & less threatening for thosewho find it difficult #ukedchat

Creativeedu 20:20

I guess for different people different subjects hold the key to

learning to learn? @mikeatedji #ukedchat

bevevans22 20:20

#ukedchat is 20 minutes in. Why are some subjects considered

more worthy than others? Interesting thoughts so far...keep it

going folks :)

bellaale 20:20

RT @mattpearson: @dughall maybe we should start putting

participants on #ukedchat into streams or setting? *jokes* > lol

RachelOrr 20:20 #ukedchat you teach best what you most need to learn!

carolrainbow 20:20

RT @JOHNSAYERS: Degrees in my view can be done in 2 yrs rather

than 3 ... #ukedchat - I thought it took a year to get them working ;-

)

johnmayo 20:21

#ukedchat there should be more cross curricular teaching of

subjects as life is cross curricular

dughall 20:21

@PivotalEllie @creativeedu Doesn't matter at all IMO. I do think an

interest/passion for the subject is also essential #ukedchat

Creativeedu 20:21

Can you learn to learn via ANY subject? Is that what we're aiming

for? #ukedchat

GaryAveryICT 20:21

Rose review groups subjects into faculty areas and took away all

the individual identity..a mistake ot the shape of things to come

#ukedchat

missmclachlan 20:21

#ukedchat who considers them new important?sometimes am sure

it's the parents speaking through the chn's mouths!

mattbuxton10 20:21

System creates top-down approach re collective, reality is that

every single kid is their own story. Should be about dev passion!

#ukedchat

deerwood 20:21

@PivotalEllie and, surely, enthusiasm for students learning it?

#ukedchat

richardmillwood 20:21

@SheliBB but kids are enthusiastic; no need to enthuse if they have

some responsibility for the curriculum #ukedchat

PivotalEllie 20:21

@dughall @creativeedu #ukedchat You learn lots about learning &

working thro different subjects. Does it matter if you don't use it

daily?

RachelOrr 20:22 #ukedchat a curriculum based on transferable skills

PivotalEllie 20:22

@calie77 #ukedchat It would be great to have the freedom to

experiment more though, wouldn't it?

mr_chadwick 20:22

Don't get me wrong, it's great. That's why we should give children

the broadest curriculum possible to find their strengths #ukedchat

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jamesmichie 20:22

#ukedchat I think there are certain skills / competencies that shld

be taught in all subjects/lessons to reinforce their value/worth.

TimothyRaybould 20:22

@mattpearson I believe all kids are good at at least one thing -

what is that thing and how do we ensure the kids succeed at it?

#ukedchat

RachelOrr 20:22

#ukedchat Heard that news maths curriculum may be arithmetic

based on 4 ops and problem solving - back to 3 Rs

isis_sister 20:22 Def learn to learn from any subject! #ukedchat

ICTmagic 20:22

@calie77 Could be many ways, but probably none perfect. Teacher

assessed/course work/practicals have pros/cons with written

exams. #ukedchat

bellaale 20:22

RT @johnmayo: #ukedchat there should be more cross curricular

teaching of subjects as life is cross curricular

mberry 20:22#ukedchat - I did a maths degree, specialising in statistics, and lovedteaching maths. Kinda wish I'd changed to CompSci in retrospect.

SheliBB 20:22

@GaryAveryICT Definitely! It's hard for some schools to take the

risk to integrate subjects in case standards drop I think #ukedchat

mattpearson 20:22 @mattbuxton10 second that entirely #ukedchat

Creativeedu 20:22

RT @bevevans22: #ukedchat is 20 minutes in. Why are some

subjects considered more worthy than others? Interesting thoughts

so far...keep it going folks :)

PivotalEllie 20:22

@deerwood #ukedchat Precisely. Over-enthusiasm for everything

to do with your subject to motivate your learners and get them

enthused too

bevevans22 20:22

RT @mattpearson:my view-we need to set up curric & teaching so

as many kids as poss have profound sense of succeeding in

something #ukedchat

jamesmichie 20:23

#ukedchat such as literacy, numeracy, creative thinking,

collaboration, research... and more. Responsibility of all.

ePaceonline 20:23

RT @mattpearson: my view is we need to set up curriculum and

teaching so as many kids as possible have a profound sense of

succeeding in something #ukedchat

bellaale 20:23

no need to focus on academic side of Maths - cos we will have until

18 to teach them it all! #ukedchat

Creativeedu 20:23

Is anyone here an advocate of marginalising less academic

subjects? It seems quite one sided... #ukedchat

OSC_IB 20:23

Talking about Learning to Learn, does anybody in state schools

teaching learning or knowledge theory? #ukedchat

ChrisMartinE1 20:23

@RachelOrr A problem solving based curriculum sounds wonderful

#ukedchat

mattpearson 20:24

@TimothyRaybould a very pertinent question, we don't find that

thing in enough kids and their experience of school is not good

#ukedchat

mikeatedji 20:24

@CreativeEdu #ukedchat yes learning to learn is vital componentof thinking...in any subject indeed. some more utilitarian than

others

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Stephen_Logan 20:24

RT @jamesmichie: #ukedchat I think there are certain skills /

competencies that shld be taught in all subjects/lessons to

reinforce their value/worth.

OSC_IB 20:24 @CreativeEdu no, surely we need a broad curriculum? #ukedchat

GaryH2UK 20:24#ukedchat dont remember much of the physics/maths from uni butdo apply the problem solving approach everyday

bevevans22 20:24

#ukedchat So, do we all think that skills in the old '3 rs' are more

important to increasing a learners potential than some subjects?

ICTmagic 20:24

@calie77 Probably varied methods for varied subjects, but this will

give different levels of qualifications still. #ukedchat

#Ihavenoanswer

PivotalEllie 20:24

@RachelOrr #ukedchat So how would you structure a 'transferable

skills' curriculum? Do topic based work more? I like this as an idea

misshbond 20:24

RT @johnmayo: #ukedchat there should be more cross curricular

teaching of subjects as life is cross curricular


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GaryH2UK 20:25

RT @mattpearson: my view is we need to set up curriculum and

teaching so as many kids as possible have a profound sense of

succeeding in something #ukedchat

bellaale 20:25

RT @Creativeedu: Is anyone here an advocate of marginalising less

academic subjects? It seems quite one sided... #ukedchat > #gove is

out...


@CreativeEdu I reckon it's better to have a balance of subjects

suited to the individual - different pathways perhaps? #ukedchat

bevevans22 20:26

RT @jamesmichie Think curriculum shld be broad but

learners/parents can feel confident that cert. skills will be taught.

#ukedchat


#ukedchat facts, skills, mental models, problem solving and

attitudes all important

jackieschneider 20:26

@dughall - I have a degree in drama. Presumably wouldnt be

accepted now? #ukedchat

johnmayo 20:26

in Ireland we would have a broad range of subjects examinable at

both levels #ukedchat which I think is a god thing

mikeatedji 20:26

#ukedchat Otherwise what are we doing all this learning for? It's

surely more than just the individual?

GaryAveryICT 20:26

RT @TimothyRaybould: some subjects are probably considered

more worthy than others based on the salary #ukedchat --sad but

true

Creativeedu 20:26 ha ha! bless #gove. the little idiot.. @bevevans22 #ukedchat

isis_sister 20:26

Key Scottish curricular changes reflect a lot of the ideas here check

them out http://bit.ly/c4Dc8V #ukedchat


some subjects are probably considered more worthy than others

based on the salary you can get in the respective career #ukedchat

mikeatedji 20:26

#ukedchat worth depends on what the ultimate vision for

education is...what are the values? Sustainable living...citizenship?

jamesmichie 20:27

RT @CreativeEdu: What's the most important thing we can teach

our learners? #ukedchat dunno: most

MPs are great actors...

RachelOrr 20:27

#ukedchat we're teaching children today skills for jobs that haven't

even been invented or created - how do we know what they will

need?


#ukedchat kids are learning machines; learning to learn makes the

machine sing

dughall 20:27

@jackieschneider I couldn't say, but unless it was a first, you can

consider yourself bottom of the pile ;-) (Joking!) #ukedchat

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Creativeedu 20:27

@TimothyRaybould that's a really interesting take on it... though

I'm not sure there are many high paid jobs in English #ukedchat

JfB57 20:27 @Creativeedu V late. Whats the topic #ukedchat

ChrisMartinE1 20:27

I'm in favour of marginalising poor quality teaching and teachers.

#ukedchat

ePaceonline 20:27

#ukedchat We need to nurture questioning & thinking brains thatcan adapt. Most of what this generation will need to know not

invented yet.

GaryH2UK 20:27

RT @mattpearso the content you learn is just like the meat you

throw to the guard-dog; the skills are the important thing

#ukedchat cheesy, maybe, but, "joy of learning"?

misshbond 20:28

What are chn going to benefit more from? Learning dates/quotes

or learning how to question/engage/wonder/think for themselves?

#ukedchat

PivotalEllie 20:28

@ePaceonline #ukedchat Yes, totally agree. @rachelorr & I have

just been saying the same.

TheHeadsOffice 20:28

RT @ePaceonline: #ukedchat We need to nurture questioning &

thinking brains that can adapt. Most of what this generation will

need to know not invented yet.

jackieschneider 20:28 What is #ukedchat topic - can't work it out from tweets I'm seeing!

bellaale 20:28

RT @jackieschneider: @dughall - I have a degree in drama.

Presumably wouldnt be accepted now? #ukedchat > dunno: most

MPs are fab actors...

Creativeedu 20:28

RT @isis_sister: Key Scottish curricular changes reflect a lot of the

ideas here check them out http://bit.ly/c4Dc8V #ukedchat

mattpearson 20:28

@ChrisMartinE1 we need evidence? I thought this was a chat, not

an interrogation *smiles sweetly* #ukedchat

Creativeedu 20:28

@isis_sister thanks for that great link, I will digest it fully tomorrow

#ukedchat

teachingofsci 20:28

@CreativeEdu to be *good* learners - by modeling, supporting,

giving feedback, setting up situations for them to 'fail better'

#ukedchat

deerwood 20:28 @CreativeEdu to turn up on time! #ukedchat

bevevans22 20:28@johnmayo But do pupils get the option to drop certain subjects asthey do here? #ukedchat #justwondering

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johnmayo 20:30

RT @johnmayo: @bevevans22 they can drop about 1/3 most do

9/10 for Junior Cert and 7 for Leaving Cert (4 compulsory )

#ukedchat

teachingofsci 20:30

@TimothyRaybould finding facts? or thinking about them, using

them in methods, how to learn new methods/ #ukedchat

mattbuxton10 20:30

@PivotalEllie Absolutely, its also perpetuated at Y9 options time byparental perceptions of subjects, courses & qualifications

#ukedchat

ePaceonline 20:30

RT @richardmillwood: #ukedchat kids are learning machines;

learning to learn makes the machine sing> well put!

isis_sister 20:30

@CreativeEdu good luck - we are already implementing it while still

trying to get our heads round it !! #ukedchat

mikeatedji 20:30

@CreativeEdu: What's most important thing we teach our

learners? > The love of learning, it nevr finishes, more thn the

individu #ukedchat

missmclachlan 20:31

RT @bevevans22: RT @misshbond:What r chn going to benefit

more from? Learning dates/quotes or how to

question/engage/wonder/think for themselves? #ukedchat

bellaale 20:31

RT @Stephen_Logan: encourage students to be reflective, consider

what they have learnt and apply it but also encourage creativity.

#ukedchat

SheliBB 20:31 or even 'separate' #ukedchat


#ukedchat -Sorry I'm late - fantastic day on strike rally with

London's finest teachers.

Creativeedu 20:31

why are some subjects cosidered more important than others. I

think we're wondering a little! @jackieschneider #ukedchat

ClaireJoanne35 20:31

@jackieschneider Why are some subjects considered more

academic than others? #ukedchat

Stephen_Logan 20:31

encourage students to be reflective, consider what they have learnt

and apply it but also encourage creativity. #ukedchat

ePaceonline 20:31

@RachelOrr #ukedchat we don't do we - so we need to teach how

to learn!

RachelOrr 20:31

#ukedchat EYFS had strong idea of developing a knowledge &

understanding of the world rather than putting subj (cont)

http://deck.ly/~O67VK

richardmillwood 20:31 #ukedchat love of learning already there - we mustn't defeat it!

mikeatedji 20:31

@TimothyRaybould #ukedchat but dont we have to build in a value

component too. What are we thinking/learning for?

bevevans22 20:32

RT @jackieschneider: #ukedchat -Sorry I'm late - fantastic day on

strike rally with London's finest teachers. - no need to apolgise...

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teachingofsci 20:32

@CreativeEdu is it subs seen as 'academic' have strong explicit

'facts' component vs skills which are more implicit once learned?

#ukedchat

PivotalEllie 20:32

@mattbuxton10 #ukedchat Parental perceptions have a big

influence & they often refer to their own schooling.

kalinski1970 20:32

@mattpearson I felt I was very close in creating that curriculum

until Gove #ukedchat

jamesmichie 20:32

RT @CreativeEdu: we seem agreed that learning to learn is the key -

surely that can be done via any subject? #ukedchat

misshbond 20:32

@shelibb Hoorah. Maybe not get rid of subjects, maybe just

interlink *much* more? #ukedchat

hrogerson 20:32

@pivotalpaul @jackieschneider I agree that there is are big benefits

to students studying drama! V. underrated subject. #ukedchat

TimothyRaybould 20:32@mattbuxton10 parent perception and misunderstanding of theirchildren's strengths and abilities impacts choices #ukedchat

Quiggers81 20:32

RT @ePaceonline: #ukedchat We need to nurture questioning &

thinking brains that can adapt. Most of what this generation will

need to know not invented yet.

Creativeedu 20:32

we seem agreed that learning to learn is the key - surely that can be

done via any subject? #ukedchat

bevevans22 20:32

@GaryAveryICT You're quite right. Sometimes a bit of common

sense and a head full of ideas will take you a long way though

#ukedchat


RT @TimothyRaybould: the next most important thing is what to

do with the knowledge once the learners have found it #ukedchat

Creativeedu 20:33

@deerwood anyway, this guy was lucky, I sacked the one who

failed to show up for work last week... #ukedchat

ChrisMartinE1 20:33

#ukedchat Conversations with Business and physics undergraduates

demonstrate why some subjects are valued more highly than

others.


I think subject divisions are a nonsense. It is just a convention but

we accept it as gospel truth #ukedchat

bevevans22 20:33

@Stephen_Logan I think we do this a lot in primary but not sure if it

is as 'high profile' in secondary settings #ukedchat

mattbuxton10 20:33

I'm a History teacher, but who am I to say that History is more

important than art/business/RE etc if a kid loves art/business/RE?

#ukedchat

mikeatedji 20:33

#ukedchat learning to learn is crucial but we have to build in a value

component surely. Education fwithout values has proved

dangerous

mattpearson 20:33

@kalinski1970 genuine question though, how far has Gove stymied

this approach? #ukedchat

TheHeadsOffice 20:33 @RachelOrr IMHO EYFS have got it right! #ukedchat

PivotalEllie 20:33

#ukedchat It is hard to move forwards in terms of developingcurriculum, when so many people are looking back to what is

traditional.

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@CreativeEdu learning to learn can happen anywhere, but will be

most effective in the subjects that young people enjoy #ukedchat

JOHNSAYERS 20:34

@carolrainbow if it takes a year for 20+s to get working we have a

problem... Hang on.... Bye bye British power ! #ukedchat

GaryH2UK 20:34#ukedchat Is it easier to test facts than skills? We value themeasureable because we cant measure the valuable

mikeatedji 20:34 @PivotalEllie #ukedchat completely agree!

Stephen_Logan 20:34

very good point RT@bevevans22 I think we do this a lot in primary

but not sure if it is as 'high profile' in secondary settings #ukedchat

ColinGoffin 20:34

@jackieschneider: I think subject divisions are a nonsense. It is

just a convention but we accept it as gospel truth #ukedchat

Excellent!

bellaale 20:34

RT @mattpearson: @kalinski1970 genuine question though, how

far has Gove stymied this approach? #ukedchat > surely most knowhe is a fool?

PivotalEllie 20:34

@TimothyRaybould #ukedchat So do we need to 'teach' how to

apply knowledge and/or skills?

PivotalEllie 20:35

@TimothyRaybould #ukedchat Breaking the cycle is a big task.

Where would you start?

ChrisMartinE1 20:35

@mattbuxton10 A knowledgeable person who can explain and

interpret sources rather someone who can draw an apple quite

well #ukedchat


@RachelOrr Absolutely & for once I thought we were doing it right!

#ukedchat

ukedchat 20:35

RT @GaryH2UK: #ukedchat ... We value the measureable because

we cant measure the valuable


@PivotalEllie indeed, are we teachers, or enablers of learning (or

something with a better name)? #ukedchat

bellaale 20:35

RT @ColinGoffin: @jackieschneider: I think subject divisions

are a nonsense. It is just a convention but we accept it as gospel

truth #ukedchat Excellent!

GaryH2UK 20:35 #ukedchat is it easier to teach facts than skills?

bellaale 20:35

I teach MFL, ICT, numeracy, literacy, citizenship, (etc.) every

lesson... #ukedchat

RachelOrr 20:35

#ukedchat teach and learn with cohesion and connections rather

than tenuous links.

hrogerson 20:35

@TimothyRaybould #ukedchat I agree - I think that lots of parents

pushed their children into EBacc, not realising the possible impact.

ePaceonline 20:35

#ukedchat Is there a place any more for learning 'facts' when we

are surrounded with sources of instant information?

JOHNSAYERS 20:35

RT @Creativeedu: @JOHNSAYERS History and English were

considered 'good degree subjects' by my school but undergrads had

no respect for them! #ukedchat

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mr_chadwick 20:35

RT @kalinski1970: @mattpearson I felt I was very close in creating

that curriculum until Gove #ukedchat > don't let HIM stop you.

hairbyslice 20:35

#ukedchat Important for ch to learn to care, enjoy, think, make a

positive contribution, to see the bigger picture - regardless of

subject.

Creativeedu 20:35

do you mean that academic subjects are the ones where we gain

knowledge rather than skills? @teachingofsci #ukedchat

mikeatedji 20:35

RT @GaryH2UK: #ukedchat Is it easier to test facts than skills? We

value the measureable because we cant measure the valuable

PivotalEllie 20:36

@TimothyRaybould #ukedchat I think we have to play lots of

different roles, at different times for different students. That's a

good teacher

missmclachlan 20:36

RT @bellaale: I teach MFL, ICT, numeracy, literacy, citizenship,

(etc.) every lesson... #ukedchat

teachingofsci 20:36

@CreativeEdu you gain skills 2 (eg sci). but facts easier to check in

formal exams vs skills demo'ed over time eg apprenticeship

#ukedchat

missmclachlan 20:36

#ukedchat @CreativeEdu what about those subjects that do both

skills and content? Languages, is that somewhere in the middle?

Academic??

ePaceonline 20:36

#ukedchat Is it more important to teach pupils how to find

information and access what they need to know?

hrogerson 20:36

@GaryH2UK #ukedchat Interesting you say that: had a talk by a guy

who said we teach what we can test: assessment drives the

curriculum.

mattbuxton10 20:36

@PivotalEllie Absolutely, "perceptions reflect own schooling";

where have we heard that before?!?!? #ukedchat

bellaale 20:36

RT @hrogerson: @TimothyRaybould #ukedchat I agree - I think that

lots of parents pushed their children into EBacc, not realising the

possible impact.

mattpearson 20:36

@ePaceonline I think facts are overrated, facts are now at our

finger tips when we want them #ukedchat

deerwood 20:36

@ePaceonline or even is there such a thing as a 'fact' anymore?

#ukedchat

jamesmichie 20:36

@deerwood Yes, even PE. Lot to be learned about perseverance on

the playing field. Much needed quality for lifelong learning.

#ukedchat

mikeatedji 20:36

@teachingofsci #ukedchat I wdnt agree with that

definition...e.g.philosophy?

Stephen_Logan 20:36

@bellaale not good at mutli-tasking but don't want to miss

#ukedchat

bellaale 20:36

RT @mr_chadwick: RT @kalinski1970: @mattpearson I felt I was

very close in creating that curriculum until Gove #ukedchat > don't

let HIM stop you.

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SheliBB 20:36

misshbond Yes - skills based curriculum - including social and life

skills. So important. #ukedchat get rid of separate subjects

johnmayo 20:37 Can we teach wisdom? #ukedchat

ChrisMartinE1 20:37 @deerwood @epaceonline Yes there are facts. #ukedchat

ePaceonline 20:37

@mattpearson Agreed, we need to be able to teach how to

question - especially the media, and make decisions with thought#ukedchat

Creativeedu 20:37

@TimothyRaybould but that might be Maths or it might be

hairdressing... #ukedchat

mikeatedji 20:37

@GaryH2UK #ukedchat Think its a question of habitual practice.

Skills/attitudes/habits of mind are slow burners

JOHNSAYERS 20:37

@ePaceonline: #ukedchat Is there a place any more for

learning 'facts' when we are surrounded with sources of instant

information? NO

johnmayo 20:37

1 thing that we need to teach more is presentation/communication

skills. It is so hard for teenager 2 stand up infront of peers#ukedchat

maz_blaze90 20:37

RT @SheliBB: misshbond Yes - skills based curriculum - including

social and life skills. So important. #ukedchat get rid of separate

subjects

deerwood 20:37

@jamesmichie phew, yes I agree and I suppose also being a team

player. #ukedchat

teachingofsci 20:38

@misshbond i disagree - soem facts are still needed, to use those

skills, gauge sources. question is where to draw line. #ukedchat

bellaale 20:38 RT @johnmayo: Can we teach wisdom? #ukedchat > gradually

oldandrewuk 20:38

@misshbond Funnily enough most children can already do all of

those things. Better to teach them what they don't know or can't

do. #ukedchat

jamesmichie 20:38

@CreativeEdu Ultimately skills but knowledge is a useful path to

learning/improving skills. #ukedchat

mattbuxton10 20:38

@ChrisMartinE1 are you saying that the study of Art doesn't

require the interpretation of sources?? #ukedchat

pivotalpaul 20:38

#ukedchat my 8 year old can find facts, sift data, avoid dodgy sites

etc. We don't need teachers for facts, their role is far more imp

mattpearson 20:38

@johnmayo we can take out Shakespeare to make room for it

*ducks* #ukedchat

apieceoflisa 20:38

Some subjects require key knowledge but it's knowing how to apply

this knowledge that will take a learner forward #ukedchat

mr_chadwick 20:38

All indications are we're going to get a knowledge based curriculum

- we all know that's wrong - are we going to do it? #ukedchat

RachelOrr 20:38

#ukedchat how often do we include areas that employers ask for =

presentation, inter and intra-personal skills - we put other thingsfirst.

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Anna_Kaya 20:38

RT @Creativeedu: which is more important? knowledge or skills?

#ukedchat

TheHeadsOffice 20:38 What a bout teaching philosophy? #ukedchat

misshbond 20:38

RT @ePaceonline: #ukedchat Is there a place any more for learning

'facts' when we are surrounded with sources of instant

information? NO

dughall 20:38RT @TheHeadsOffice: @RachelOrr IMHO EYFS have got it right!#ukedchat

mattpearson 20:38

@johnmayo there's plenty of adults i know he need serious

presentation skills, it should be taught at school I think #ukedchat

Creativeedu 20:38 which is more important? knowledge or skills? #ukedchat

jamesmichie 20:38

@deerwood Absolutely and also knowing when to take command.

#ukedchat

bevevans22 20:38

RT @ePaceonline: #ukedchat Is there place any more for learning

'facts' when we're surrounded with sources of instant info?-

interesting...

bevevans22 20:39

Come on then people. just about 20 minutes left to discuss why

some subjects are considered more worthy than others...#ukedchat

deerwood 20:39

@ePaceonline yes and the more access pupils have to info, the

more exposed they are to diff interpretations #ukedchat

bellaale 20:39

RT @TimothyRaybould: @PivotalEllie breaking the cycle? is it

possible with secretaries of state with zero experience of working

in education? #ukedchat

TheHeadsOffice 20:39 @apieceoflisa Application is key #ukedchat

Creativeedu 20:39

RT @dughall: RT @TheHeadsOffice: @RachelOrr IMHO EYFS have

got it right! #ukedchat


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deerwood 20:39

@ChrisMartinE1 are there? Or are they assumptions we make

based on past experience. This is getting into Dughall's field of phil

#ukedchat

bellaale 20:39

RT @Anna_Kaya: RT @Creativeedu: which is more important?

knowledge or skills? #ukedchat > balance

mikeatedji 20:39@teachingofsci Fair enough. philosophy increasingly common inprimary now P4C/critical thinking exercises...good thing #ukedchat

bevevans22 20:39

@johnmayo You're right in that, but could also be a confidence or

self image thing. They're at that 'funny' age (aren't we all)

#ukedchat

ePaceonline 20:39

@deerwood #ukedchat again an interesting thought - they are

always open to interpretation aren't they?

hrogerson 20:40

@pivotalpaul " my 8 year old can find facts, sift data," My year 7

group couldn't do that today. #ukedchat

dughall 20:40

RT @TheHeadsOffice: What about teaching philosophy? #ukedchat

Yep! Absobloominlutely! #P4C @saraloisstanley

SheliBB 20:40

@mr_chadwick stamp our feet, stick together and fight against it

#ukedchat

bevevans22 20:40

RT @jackieschneider: #ukedchat - have music teachers made case

that denying kids access to music education destroys a part of the

soul? -no

victhedaddy 20:40

@bevevans22 @deerwood #ukedchat I had a friend got tpp marks

in mechanics, put a spanner in his hand and he was useless his

words not mine

kalinski1970 20:40

@mattpearson dream still on but ebacc killed my lovely wide

academic curriculum...lead foundation learning school next year

#ukedchat

oldandrewuk 20:40 @GaryH2UK Why are jobs in the future unknown? #ukedchat

teachingofsci 20:40

#ukedchat i'm going to have to quit, son shouting 'Bob the builder'

at top of voice next door. next week...

TheHeadsOffice 20:40 Is different knowledge more or less useful? #ukedchat

PivotalEllie 20:40

@TimothyRaybould #ukedchat Er, no probably not. At least not on

a large scale. Start a mini-revolution in your own school.

RachelOrr 20:40

#ukedchat been teaching 19 years and since lit strat of 1998 came

in - don't think I have followed a lit hour to this day - never met

needs

ChrisMartinE1 20:40

#ukedchat Is there no longer place for knowing things in education?

This chat is far too skills based. Something if a balance is required

Creativeedu 20:41

funnily enough I can hear one of my girls playing loudly too...

sleeping??? @teachingofsci #ukedchat

mattpearson 20:41

@teachingofsci no probs, just remind him that manual labour is not

seen as highvalue in society, Bob the lawyer would be better

#ukedchat

mr_chadwick 20:41

RT @CreativeEdu: @RachelOrr IMHO EYFS have got it right!#ukedchat That's because it's true

every week!

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pivotalpaul 20:41

@ChrisMartinE1 #ukedchat children don't need teachers to deliver

'facts' @GaryH2UK give it a year :)

TimothyRaybould 20:41 aahh, i keep forgetting the hastag #ukedchat

sh_hanes 20:41

@johnmayo @bevevans22 #ukedchat I did junior cert etc but teach

in Wales now!

mikeatedji 20:41

@CreativeEdu #ukedchat surely a balance of skills, facts with

attitudes being third corner of triangle

Stephen_Logan 20:41

RT @jamesmichie: RT @CreativeEdu: What's the most important

thing we can teach our learners? #ukedchat


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mooshtang 20:43

Personally I think some have gone too far with this skills thing- you

need a balance of knowledge and skills #ukedchat

sh_hanes 20:43

#ukedchat as a ucas reference writer, can I just say options may be

chosen to suit course requirements, not for the love of them!

mattpearson 20:43

@JOHNSAYERS and how many secretaries of state, pretty sureGove's latest speech on maths was based on wikipedia sources

#ukedchat

mikeatedji 20:43

RT @pivotalpaul: #ukedchat my 8 year old can find facts, sift data,

avoid dodgy sites etc. We don't need teachers for facts, their role is

far more imp

jackieschneider 20:43 @bevevans22 - well in that case, maybe I should! #ukedchat

PivotalEllie 20:43

@TimothyRaybould #ukedchat Good for you. We are campaigning

on a government level so are doing our best for a maxi-revolution!

ePaceonline 20:43

RT @mattpearson: @ePaceonline I think facts are overrated, facts

are now at our finger tips when we want them #ukedchat >>Indeed

deerwood 20:43

@ChrisMartinE1 he was assassinated, he was murdered, in

Ethiopian calendar it wasn't 1963 .. All interpretations #ukedchat


RT @JOHNSAYERS: @ePaceonline: #ukedchat Is there a place

any more for learning 'facts' when we are surrounded with sources

of instant information? NO

PivotalEllie 20:44

@mikeatedji #ukedchat Yes, teach what to do with the facts & how

to know if they are facts. Have mental image of fog farting now.

deerwood 20:44

@mooshtang skills? What are they? Isn't all education about

knowledge? #devilsadvocate #ukedchat

TimothyRaybould 20:44 @PivotalEllie I'll join any positive educational revolution! #ukedchat

jackieschneider 20:44 @JOHNSAYERS - not me #ukedchat


RT @mooshtang: Personally I think some have gone too far with

this skills thing- you need a balance of knowledge and skills

#ukedchat >Yep!

bevevans22 20:44

@JOHNSAYERS You just made me laugh out loud!!! #ukedchat has

comedy value!

bellaale 20:44

We are in middle of Y9 "enrichment week" - life skills, project work,

etiquette, preso skills etc. Very well-received by kids #ukedchat

SheliBB 20:44

@mr_chadwick @CreativeEdu @RachelOrr the 'new curriculum'

*was* looking good ... #ukedchat

ePaceonline 20:44

#ukedchat I think how we apply ourselves is more important than

learning facts...unless you are entering a pub quiz!!!

hrogerson 20:44

@bevevans22 Interesting question: we want to develop"something" for post-16 to develop skills and support them in some

way. #ukedchat

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anhalf 20:44



#ukedchat

mr_chadwick 20:44 Sticking together will be very important #ukedchat

Creativeedu 20:44

maybe we need a #ukedchat on 'the EYFS curriculum should be

applied upto age 19' discuss... as we all seem to think so?

PivotalEllie 20:44

RT @ePaceonline: RT @mattpearson: @ePaceonline I think facts

are overrated, facts are now at our finger tips when we want them

#ukedchat >>Indeed

anhalf 20:44

@bevevans22 regular enrichment weeks are fab way to keep

creativity no matter what the curriculum is #ukedchat

misshbond 20:44

@teachingofsci That's very true. Necessary facts rather than

saturating brains with useless ones just for exam purposed

#ukedchat


RT @TimothyRaybould: @PivotalEllie I'll join any positive

educational revolution! #ukedchat >Me Too!


@dughall @TheHeadsOffice @saraloisstanley - think we should

develop a philosophical method for dealing with ALL subjects

#ukedchat

Creativeedu 20:45

RT @ePaceonline: #ukedchat I think how we apply ourselves is

more important than learning facts...unless you are entering a pub

quiz!!!

RachelOrr 20:45

#ukedchat we have written school reports with arts, sciences and

humanities - too cross curricular to report on discrete subject

headings

bellaale 20:45

RT @TheHeadsOffice: RT @mooshtang: Personally I think some

have gone too far with this skills thing- you need a balance of

knowledge and skills #ukedchat >Yep!

mr_chadwick 20:45

RT @SheliBB: @mr_chadwick @CreativeEdu @RachelOrr the 'new

curriculum' *was* looking good ... #ukedchat > Yes.

PivotalEllie 20:45 @TimothyRaybould #ukedchat Brilliant. You're IN!

Creativeedu 20:45

@sh_hanes so true, my psych degree insisted on a level maths, I

didn't have it but wangled a place... then failed all the stats!

#ukedchat

anhalf 20:45

@mooshtang agreed; you can't apply the skills without the

knowledge (altho can get into chicken and egg thinking here?!)

#ukedchat

mooshtang 20:45

Some subjects e.g. science need a body of knowledge for you to

hypothesise and experiment i.e. apply the knowledge #ukedchat

misshbond 20:45

RT @epaceonline: #ukedchat I think how we apply ourselves is

more important than learning facts...unless you are entering a pub

quiz!!!

ChrisMartinE1 20:46

@ePaceonline @mattpearson But facts aren't at your fingertips

when you're conversing with people. #ukedchat

Creativeedu 20:46

RT @TheHeadsOffice: RT @TimothyRaybould: @PivotalEllie I'll joinany positive educational revolution! #ukedchat >Me Too! >count

me in!

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bevevans22 20:46

@anhalf We have enrichment weeks focussing on skills that are

important for all citizens as they grow- most recent one was money

#ukedchat

johnmayo 20:46

#ukedchat I get phone calls to join quiz teams due to history

knowledge. Feel so used -they just want me for my brain

anhalf 20:46@mooshtang science needs lots of investigation and exploration tosupport the knowledge tho #ukedchat

PivotalEllie 20:46 @TheHeadsOffice #ukedchat Great. You're IN too!

mikeatedji 20:46 @PivotalEllie #ukedchat sorry

JOHNSAYERS 20:46

learn geography! Learn about human interaction, physical

processes, English, maths/statistical skills, empathy, history,art

#ukedchat

thesmoosch 20:46

@CreativeEdu: which is more important? knowledge or skills?

#ukedchat Do we really have to choose?

pivotalpaul 20:46@pipkinzoo #ukedchat teach them how to learn independently,drill routines for learning and slowly let them sail

SheliBB 20:46

@ePaceonline yes - because anything in a pub quiz can be found

out if you know how to do a google search! #ukedchat

bellaale 20:46 #Ebacc = national pub quiz. Nice image #ukedchat

hrogerson 20:47

#ukedchat Is it that some subjects develop/require a greater level

of skills, and this is why they are more highly regarded?

bellaale 20:47

RT @TheHeadsOffice RT @TimothyRaybould @PivotalEllie I'll join

any positive educational revolution! #ukedchat >Me 2! >count me

in! > &me! :)

PivotalEllie 20:47

#ukedchat Everyone can join the revolution! I'll try and formulate a

master plan!

johnmayo 20:47 @dughall old school quizzes - excuse the pun #ukedchat

mattbuxton10 20:47

I made a pasta b4, put in a load of stuff but had to know what to do

with them. Facts are the same; without skills r just mush!

#ukedchat

mattpearson 20:47 RT @bellaale: #Ebacc = national pub quiz. Nice image #ukedchat

Creativeedu 20:47

@thesmoosch I like @mikeatedji's answer... knowledge skills and

attitude... #ukedchat

dughall 20:47 @johnmayo Don't they have smart phones? ;-) #ukedchat

bevevans22 20:47

RT @TheHeadsOffice: RT @TimothyRaybould: @PivotalEllie I'll join

any positive educational revolution! #ukedchat >Me Too! Let's all

join!

bevevans22 20:48

@dughall @johnmayo Have a friend who has travelled the world.

His geographical knowledge is amazing - always phoned on quiz

night #ukedchat

bellaale 20:48

RT @mattpearson RT @bellaale: #Ebacc = national pub quiz. Nice

image #ukedchat > could be combined with binge-drinking: we top

PISA for that

ChrisMartinE1 20:48

@mattbuxton10 And without facts you've got nothing to make and

you go hungry. #ukedchat

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muckyartist 20:48

RT @TimothyRaybould: #ukedchat somehow I think Twitter has

already allowed the start of a revolution. Most (ALL?) ideas

contrary to Gove and the DfE

misshbond 20:48 @richardmillwood Now that I totally agree with :0) #ukedchat

caroljallen 20:48

Too many to retweet so restarting: I'll join any positive educational

revolution! #ukedchat >Me Too! Let's all join!

mattpearson 20:48

@ChrisMartinE1 the people I converse with have given up asking

me when Henry the VII was born #ukedchat I always forget!!

KShaw1977 20:48

@CreativeEdu: maybe we need a #ukedchat on 'the EYFS

curriculum should be applied upto age 19' as we all seem to think

so? DEFINITELY!!!


RT @ChrisMartinE1: @ePaceonline @mattpearson But facts aren't

at your fingertips when you're conversing with people. #ukedchat

>Ah people!


#ukedchat somehow I think Twitter has already allowed the start of

a revolution. Most (ALL?) ideas contrary to Gove and the DfE

mikeatedji 20:48

#ukedchat holocaust survivor said he was suspicious of education

cos he'd seen educ'd ppl commiting heinous crimes. Values must be

attached

hrogerson 20:49

@KShaw1977 @CreativeEdu bringing EYFS to secondary - you have

to bring the teachers with you.... good luck with that! :-) #ukedchat

Creativeedu 20:49 @NatEdTrust can you explain the bidet effect???? #ukedchat

sh_hanes 20:49

@johnmayo we were the first year to sit the junior cert! Figure that

out History buff! #ukedchat

mattpearson 20:49

@TimothyRaybould twitter has mobilised popular democrative

opinion and amplified it in ways government does not understand

#ukedchat

mikeatedji 20:49

#ukedchat Facts important also to hook in pupils initially...obv not

drily delivered

JOHNSAYERS 20:49

Did a lesson about multiple intelligences today! Students had to

workout how I could mend my wonky wheel of smartness

#ukedchat

bellaale 20:49

RT @KShaw1977: @CreativeEdu: maybe we need a #ukedchat

on 'the EYFS curriculum should be applied upto age 19' as we all

seem to think so? DEFINITELY!!!

bellaale 20:49

RT @TimothyRaybould: #ukedchat somehow I think Twitter has

already allowed the start of a revolution. Most (ALL?) ideas

contrary to Gove and the DfE

oldandrewuk 20:49



#ukedchat


RT @PivotalEllie: #ukedchat All can join the revolution! I'll try and

formulate a master plan! > Don't forge (cont)http://deck.ly/~HJVXB

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give me a smartphone with a data connection and I'll find any fact

with my fingertips in a conversation... #ukedchat

PivotalEllie 20:49

@KShaw1977 #ukedchat Ooh, that is a good idea. That is what we

are talking about, after all.

GaryH2UK 20:50

RT @Creativeedu: RT @mikeatedji: @CreativeEdu #ukedchat

surely a balance of skills, facts with attitudes being third corner of

triangle


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RT @mattpearson: @ChrisMartinE1 the people I converse with

have given up asking me when Henry the VII was born #ukedchat >

1491

misshbond 20:51

@oldandrewuk Maybe we should be trying to make them second

nature ie. teaching chn to be critical and reflective? #ukedchat


RT @PivotalEllie: @TheHeadsOffice #ukedchat HA! Suggest youlook at what @pivotalpaul thinks about objectives & 3 part lesson

http://bit.ly/jkz0TS

bellaale 20:52

RT @JOHNSAYERS: I based it on smartness of words, numbers, self,

people, nature, body, music, picture. Aim to make rounded but

individual skills! #ukedchat


@hrogerson We linked with a secondary that was really keen to

find out the philosophy behind EYFS #ukedchat

mattpearson 20:52

@ChrisMartinE1 let's not get carried away with the fact thing, facts

are important, but should they dominate the curriculum?

#ukedchat

PivotalEllie 20:52

RT @pivotalpaul: @pipkinzoo absolutely, teachers are so much

more than facts machines, they inspire, motivate, reveal #ukedchat

bellaale 20:52

RT @TimothyRaybould: @mattpearson so true - GOVErnment is

seemingly unaware of the real thinking and thinkers in education

#ukedchat

apieceoflisa 20:52

Learning key facts sparks interest and makes the learning process

more fluid.#ukedchat

mikeatedji 20:52

RT @misshbond: @oldandrewuk Maybe we should be trying to

make them second nature ie. teaching chn to be critical and

reflective? #ukedchat

ChrisMartinE1 20:52

@TimothyRaybould It doesn't sound like a good conversation

though! #ukedchat

pivotalpaul 20:52

RT @PivotalEllie: @TheHeadsOffice #ukedchat HA! Suggest you

look at what @pivotalpaul thinks about objectives & 3 part lesson

http://bit.ly/jkz0TS

RachelOrr 20:53

RT @TimothyRaybould: @mattpearson GOVErnment is seemingly

unaware of the real thinking and thinkers in education #ukedchat -

misGOVErned!!!!

muckyartist 20:53

RT @mattbuxton10: I'm a History teacher, but who am I to say that

History is more important than art/business/RE etc if a kid loves

art/business/RE? #ukedchat

mattpearson 20:53

Can anyone explain Newton's law of thermodynamics to me? Gove

thinks it important we teach this #ukedchat

JOHNSAYERS 20:53 @jackieschneider still wish I was a chef:) #ukedchat

sh_hanes 20:53



ePaceonline 20:53 @ChrisMartinE1 I know!! #ukedchat

bellaale 20:54RT @muckyartist: RT @ukedchat: RT @GaryH2UK: #ukedchat ...We value the measurable because we cant measure the valuable

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bevevans22 20:54 Apologies for my short absence. computer said 'no' #ukedchat

mikeatedji 20:54

@mattpearson #ukedchat it is important to teach it with a view to

applying it for the common good/sustainable living etc (soz to harp

on)

Creativeedu 20:54

did YOU ever make subject choices you now regret because of

pressure from teachers / parents. I did... #ukedchat

oldandrewuk 20:54

@mattpearson #ukedchat Did he say that or did the Guardian mess

up the punctuation?

bellaale 20:54

RT @hrogerson: #ukedchat It is interesting that in science the

students don't need to remember any of the equations anymore.

Given in the formula sheet.

Stephen_Logan 20:54



SheliBB 20:54

@hrogerson reading/playing music is very highly skilled.Just don't

get enough time to show it's valued,compared to maths & English#ukedchat

muckyartist 20:54

RT @ukedchat: RT @GaryH2UK: #ukedchat ... We value the

measureable because we cant measure the valuable

hrogerson 20:54

#ukedchat It is interesting that in science the students don't need

to remember any of the equations anymore. Given in the formula

sheet.

PivotalEllie 20:55

RT @bellaale: RT @muckyartist: RT @ukedchat: RT @GaryH2UK:

#ukedchat ... We value the measurable because we cant measure

the valuable

sh_hanes 20:55

rt@Creativeedu: did YOU ever make subject choices you now

regret because of pressure from teachers / parents. I did...

#ukedchat ME TOO

bevevans22 20:55

Final thoughts on tonight's topic please? Why are some subjects

considered more worthy than others? #ukedchat

Creativeedu 20:55

RT @mattpearson: comes up all the time in the workplace...

#ukedchat

dughall 20:55 @mattpearson Einsteins theory of evolution? #ukedchat

mattbuxton10 20:55

'Facts' r also so subjective, they NEED skills to be critical. History

develops this, but so does/should every other subject #ukedchat

Mallrat_uk 20:55

Just before you all go, anyone have a good organisational tip?

(preferably for iPad)? Need help to organise my time next year!

#ukedchat

Creativeedu 20:55

RT @JOHNSAYERS: @jackieschneider still wish I was a chef:)

#ukedchat


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PivotalEllie 20:56

@CreativeEdu #ukedchat Not really. But I did make choices based

on which teachers I liked/wanted to learn with and those were

GOOD choices


@Creativeedu I wanted to do eng, biology & hist but they said no!

Wrong mix! #ukedchat

JOHNSAYERS 20:56

Well the latest Democrat candidate for 2012 presidency wants to

bring back creation theory to science lessons. #ukedchat we havehope yet!

mattpearson 20:56

@dughall Einstein's theory of evolution is good, apparently he

rolled dice and created animals based on the numbers #ukedchat

oldandrewuk 20:56

@GaryH2UK @RachelOrr Oh not that one. Blogged about it here:

http://t.co/jQRH7Tt Myth 3 (We've also seen myth 1 tonight)

#ukedchat

Mallrat_uk 20:56

@CreativeEdu I make it a policy never to regret anything,

everything I have done made me the person I am, and I like me!

#ukedchat

jamesmichie 20:56

@CreativeEdu Yes, was made to take French (Got a D), wanted to

take Home Ec (Would have got an A). :-/ #ukedchat

hrogerson 20:56

@TheHeadsOffice That sounds great: I think secondary could learn

a lot from primary. But it will be a long hard slog. #ukedchat

GaryH2UK 20:57

@oldandrewuk search you tube for shift happens. In 20 years time

most jobs will be jobs that havr not been invented yet #ukedchat

sh_hanes 20:57

@jamesmichie @creativeedu #ukedchat I was made to take

German unstead of Home Ec. Still can't cook or sew! Can't speak G

either!

deerwood 20:57

@CreativeEdu I wanted to do computers but they hadn't been

invented yet #ukedchat .. That's more serious than it seems

oldandrewuk 20:57

@ePaceonline #ukedchat I don't mean to be rude here, but isn't

that meaningless jargon?


@bevevans22 They are easier to assess in a test situation

#ukedchat


@CreativeEdu I wanted to take Drama, but "they" made me take

Art. Got a D. #ukedchat

jennitonic80 20:57

Missing #ukedchat at theatre reviewing pilgrims story. Will catch up

with overview later x

bevevans22 20:57

RT @Langnut: #ukedchat Some of my students tell me there's an

app for translating into French so why learn it at school. -

ARRRRGGGHHH!

bellaale 20:57

RT @bevevans22 Final thoughts on 2night's topic please? Y R some

subjects considered more worth(y) than others? #ukedchat > cos

money talks!

johnmayo 20:57 @mattpearson #ukedchat that explains Tues night ep. of Luther :-)Creativeedu 20:58 @deerwood It doesn't seem very serious! #ukedchat

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mikeatedji 20:58

#ukedchat @Langnut but current employment requirements may

be leading us down a path = not for common good...GDP growth

not all positive

ClaireJoanne35 20:58 @Langnut Fair point! #ukedchat

pivotalpaul 20:58

@TimothyRaybould @CreativeEdu never too late to walk the

boards....#ukedchat

jamesmichie 20:58

RT @deerwood: @CreativeEdu I wanted to do computers but theyhadn't been invented yet #ukedchat .. That's more serious than it

seems

muckyartist 20:58

@hrogerson: #ukedchat I think that lots of parents pushed their

children into EBacc, not realising the possible impact. We pick up

pieces...

ePaceonline 20:58 @oldandrewuk #ukedchat could be...glad you questioned it!!

AntHeald 20:58

I reacted *against* pressure from teachers in my subject choices,

otherwise I'd have been some kind of physicist now #ukedchatChrisMartinE1 20:58 @Mallrat_uk @creativeedu Anything?! #ukedchat

anhalf 20:58

@bevevans22 peer/parent preconceptions maybe? our job to try

to make ALL subs meaningful and relevant...#ukedchat

misshbond 20:58

#ukedchat At the end of the day sadly much of it is about

reputation. Just like the stereotypes in life, they may not go

anytime soon :0(

Creativeedu 20:58

I was banned from taking art but really wanted to!

@TimothyRaybould #ukedchat

PivotalEllie 20:58

@bevevans22 #ukedchat No, no subject is more worthy, but skills

are more worthy than facts.

deerwood 20:59 'our kids needs' ... How drunk am I ? Sorry bout that #ukedchat

bellaale 20:59

RT @Creativeedu: RT @oldandrewuk: @ePaceonline #ukedchat I

don't mean to be rude here, but isn't that meaningless jargon?


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svanstraten 20:59

@dughall Interesting, I did a PGCE in Classics in 2002. Have since

taught English, Media and ICT, plus General Studies. #ukedchat

ChrisMartinE1 21:00

@Creativeedu @oldandrewuk @epaceonline In what way was it

not meaningless jargon? #ukedchat

sh_hanes 21:00 #ukedchat thanks @bevevans22 really enjoyed that!

ukedchat 21:00@ePaceonline You'll be able to host #ukedchat again one day, ifyou like ;-)

dughall 21:00

@svanstraten Now *that* is interesting! Good for you! :-)

#ukedchat

bevevans22 21:00

And that's your lot! Hope you've enjoyed tonight's #ukedchat. I

have a feeling this might carry on...

mikeatedji 21:00

#ukedchat We need critical thinking to avoid repeating mistakes of

past and developing solutions for the future (fairy just died)

PivotalEllie 21:01

@bevevans22 #ukedchat Thanks very much for hosting tonight.

Another great debate!RachelOrr 21:01 RT @dughall: @bevevans22 Nice one! :-) #ukedchat agreed

dughall 21:01 @bevevans22 Nice one! :-) #ukedchat

ePaceonline 21:01

#ukedchat Hey Bev another excellent debate, thank you very much

for hosting.

Creativeedu 21:01

RT @ukedchat: @ePaceonline You'll be able to host #ukedchat

again one day, if you like ;-)


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mattpearson 21:02

sorry link to the picture is http://yfrog.com/h8zz1iqj #ukedchat

Michael Gove visits a primary school @CreativeEdu

oldandrewuk 21:02

RT @ChrisMartinE1: @Creativeedu @oldandrewuk @epaceonline

In what way was it not meaningless jargon? #ukedchat

Creativeedu 21:02thanks @bevevans22 for great #ukedchat hosting despite computerrepeatedly saying NO! ;-)

oldandrewuk 21:02

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