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SNBC Admits Invicta Sandstone Dials Contain Goldstone

Was watching Jill and Kendy present the Invicta Classique Quartz Sandstone Dial watch (J179021) this

morning. These dials have been called raw sandstone, genuine sandstone, sandstone and now

sandstone material, but never Goldstone or the proper technical term aventurine glass.

When reading the SNBC Sandstone description for this watch (link below)

http://www.shopnbc.com/Invicta_Men_s...aspx?storeid=1

I was surprised to read the following. Note the final sentence:

"About Sandstone

Precisely as the name implies, sandstone is created from sand. Sandstone rock is forged from little

grains derived from feldspar and quartz. It sets in many places as it really just needs water to form.

Varying in color from one area to another, it is an easy rock to split and carve. This quality makes it

popular in the construction of pillars, fountains, fireplaces and as shown here, even timepieces. This

sandstone is also enhanced with goldstone for a lustrous effect."

I'm happy to see that SNBC is admitting the dials are Goldstone. However, until it's mentioned on air

that the dials are Goldstone and man-made, I don't believe the customer is getting a factual

representation of what the dials are truly made of.

P.S. Kendy mentioned the star-like sparkle of the dial was due to feldspar, but most likely is due to

copper. When copper is ed to molten glass when making Goldstone, the copper crystallizes and gives

you that star-like sparkle.

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Later in the show Kendy mentioned the dial was genuine sandstone, a term that was used when these

dials were first presented. I'm sure she wasn't intentionally misrepresenting the watch, but if you're not

100% sure what you are saying, statements like this shouldn't be made. Jill knows the background of

these dials and should inform Kendy of this.

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I have found that many show hosts (not just SNBC) stumble when speaking about technical specs. For

example, listen to hosts speak about computers. It is easy to detect when a host is knowledgeable

about the personal computer or "hi-tech" electronics. They interchange terms when the terms are not

synonymous.

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Later in the show Kendy mentioned the dial was genuine sandstone, a term that was used when these

dials were first presented. I'm sure she wasn't intentionally misrepresenting the watch, but if you're

not 100% sure what you are saying, statements like this shouldn't be made. Jill knows the background

of these dials and should inform Kendy of this.

I agree, but the RD looks so good.

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What the consumer does not know helps the company

Like the "swiss made" label, maybe it is genuine 51% sandstone

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The important thing is to know what you are paying for. After that, it's your decision. Unfortunately it's

hard to get complete and accurate info on many things. We get a lot more details from shopnbc and

some of the watch web sites that we would get in most stores. But as watchgeeks, we still want more

details and the complete truth. This all matters to many of us.

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Like the "swiss made" label, maybe it is genuine 51% sandstone

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snbc has announced numerous times that they enhance their gem stones so it should be no surprise

that sandstone is also enhanced. Does this really hurt the looks or value?

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The important thing is to know what you are paying for. After that, it's your decision. Unfortunately

it's hard to get complete and accurate info on many things. We get a lot more details from shopnbc

and some of the watch web sites that we would get in most stores. But as watchgeeks, we still want

more details and the complete truth. This all matters to many of us.

Well stated and true.

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The important thing is to know what you are paying for. After that, it's your decision. Unfortunately

it's hard to get complete and accurate info on many things. We get a lot more details from shopnbc

and some of the watch web sites that we would get in most stores. But as watchgeeks, we still want

more details and the complete truth. This all matters to many of us.

I agree. I think the Goldstone dial looks great, but just be upfront with what the dials are made with. Be

truthful (no marketing spin) in what you are selling, and let the customer determine if he wants it or

not.

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All do respect Jerry, but now we're kicking around a bucket of glue for a $59.00 watch.I spent the same

money last night at Walmart for a pair of boots and I don't need a full disclosure of the origin and or

materials used. Not at $58.99 I don't. All this thread will do is bring out the ones who carry a soap box

around with them.

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I have three sandstone watches or whatever you want to call them which get me more reactions from

strangers and people at work them almost any other watch I own. I have over 120 watches now and

ware them as art with style. For what little I paid for the sandstone watches I get the look that I was

looking for.

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All do respect Jerry, but now we're kicking around a bucket of glue for a $59.00 watch.I spent the same

money last night at Walmart for a pair of boots and I don't need a full disclosure of the origin and or

materials used. Not at $58.99 I don't. All this thread will do is bring out the ones who carry a soap box

around with them.

The same dials were marketed and sold in high end Invicta watches, selling in the $600 to $700 range. I

don't care if it's a $58 or $700 watch, I just want to know exactly what I'm buying.

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The same dials were marketed and sold in high end Invicta watches, selling in the $600 to $700 range.

I don't care if it's a $58 or $700 watch, I just want to know exactly what I'm buying.

I'm pretty confident that Invicta is capable of producing two very similar looking dials at different levels

of quality to be used in separate model watch's at different price points altogether.At $59.00 I would

think most folks would not be expecting exotic materials or genuine gem stones at this price point. For

the ones that might,I have no words.

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I thik I have found a link that will answere the question of what is used on watch dials. I had tried to cut

sandstone into thin sheets and polish them only to have them crumble. The following link makes sense:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goldstone_(gemstone)

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I recently purchased A goldtone Invicta sandstone dial and

it is deep blue ( like a night sky) with bits of sparkle). It is by no

means sandstone but it is pretty.

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The day that sandstone receives the status of "gemstone" is the day that I move to Utah to scoop up my

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The same dials were marketed and sold in high end Invicta watches, selling in the $600 to $700 range.

I don't care if it's a $58 or $700 watch, I just want to know exactly what I'm buying.

Well said !

Good luck with that task (knowing exactly what you are about to buy).

First of, we have that kind of "trend", if you will, in many industries today.

So many manufacturers do not disclose everything (for this or that reason).

Then we have companies which only try to present themselves as they are "manufacturers" but God

forbid you ask them about their manufacturing ress. The minute you ask that, they are like a deer

caught in the headlights, and by many you are labeled as "hater".

Today, in many different fields we are witnessing just that.

We have icons like Harley, loaded with parts from China, and blind sheep never question that. We are

witnessing unbelievable marketing spins everywhere. Just few years ago that same Harley had a waiting

lists for their new motorcycles, and at the same time their manufacturing facility in York, PA - never

even contemplated introduction of the third shift. People are waiting for their bikes for months and

they don't have the third shift ?

Goes to show you, how everything is gauged today.

What you are asking here is certain dose of MORALITY. And guess what ?

You are not going to get it. At least, not at so many places.

By the same talking so many of sites that sell watches don't even disclose what movement each watch

has. Now, I am not some watch expert here, but one thing I may guess with my common sense -

movement in the watch is kind of important

But, above all that, today we are witnessing purposeful MISLEADING of potential consumers - and that

is PLAIN WRONG.

Now is that misleading on on 59 bucks or on 59 K, the bottom line is that it's misleading and it is wrong.

That misleading may be on purpose and it may be just by error, but one thing is if you have only one

example of it, and another if you have few of them.

We as consumers should be aware of them and only than we should make our educated decisions.

As for Invicta and Shop, my personal choice is either to believe them or not. I must take my hat off to

Invicta for their design, quality and especially the price which comes with that quality. When it comes to

Shop, I must take my hat off to these guys for giving us more info on the watches than anyone out

there. Every now and than among that information may come something questionable, and for the

most part I see the effort in clarifying that, so for that reason and reasons stated above, I am staying

with them.

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Oh well if we like it buy it ! If not well that is a deep subject. Very seldom do they disclose the truth

about most of their products, and it could be due to the Host lack od knowledge.

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The day that sandstone receives the status of "gemstone" is the day that I move to Utah to scoop up

my easy fortune.

Gem stone was used as a blanket statement in general. Not to classify sandstone as such.But this is a

perfect example where the obvious was called on by how it was worded.

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The day that sandstone receives the status of "gemstone" is the day that I move to Utah to scoop up

my easy fortune.

Goldstone is considered a man-made gemstone.

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Gem stone was used as a blanket statement in general. Not to classify sandstone as such.But this is a

perfect example where the obvious was called on by how it was worded.

No worries Jeff, not trying to call you out or take issue with your terms.

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Invicta came out with the COSC diver sandstone watch several years ago. They also priced the watch as

if it had a meteorite dial (read same price).

Now we all know that pretty glass man made is not the same as billions of year old meteorite.

The Reserve Lupahs were also priced the same (sandstone or meteorite dial).

Tell me WHO made a killing by misrepresenting the dial components?

(Agreeing with Timeman)...........

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I'm pretty confident that Invicta is capable of producing two very similar looking dials at different

levels of quality to be used in separate model watch's at different price points altogether.At $59.00 I

would think most folks would not be expecting exotic materials or genuine gem stones at this price

point. For the ones that might,I have no words.

That isn't the question/issue.

When a product's features are prominently advertised as a selling point, most people prefer the

unvarnished truth, instead of a bunch of marketing language.

As always, it's best to become an educated consumer - and just about the worst place to drink at the

"trough of knowledge", to that end, is the seller's advertising.

Consumers have a responsibility to perform due diligence as well.

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Unfortunately, human nature precludes using correct terms for accuracy and familiar terms for

simplicity.

How many people ask for KETCHUP? Or when in an eatery, are asked "do want ketchup?

Well unless you are using or getting HEINZ, what you are using/getting is CATSUP! Ketchup is a BRAND

name which is trademarked.

Same thing with KLEENEX, MASONITE, and a host of other trademarked items.

NOT saying it is right of SNBC or others, just saying how it is!

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This is only one example of why I like this forum. Truth about what the consumer is really getting.

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I agree with Jeff.By now most of us know all about this.I like the look of the dials,and for the price

point,who cares,just put it to bed,it's a dead horse.

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Unfortunately, human nature precludes using correct terms for accuracy and familiar terms for

simplicity.

How many people ask for KETCHUP? Or when in an eatery, are asked "do want ketchup?

Well unless you are using or getting HEINZ, what you are using/getting is CATSUP! Ketchup is a BRAND

name which is trademarked.

Same thing with KLEENEX, MASONITE, and a host of other trademarked items.

NOT saying it is right of SNBC or others, just saying how it is!

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So you are saying that Sandstone© is really Invicta's copyrighted Goldstone,

Like FlameFusion© is copyrighted Sapphire coated mineral crystal?

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Progress In Being Truthful

Intentional misrepresentation of a product is not only immoral, unethical, it is illegal.

Not to defend SNBC, but I think they rely on Invicta for the specifications and explanations of the

products.

SNBC now knows the facts about the sandstone man made composition dials. It should assure all the

hosts are aware of this and that they say it during presentations.

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So you are saying that Sandstone© is really Invicta's copyrighted Goldstone,

Like FlameFusion© is copyrighted Sapphire coated mineral crystal?

I am thinking that when Invicta bonds the goldstone at the molecular level-it magically becomes

sandstone?

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SanIII on the rocks. Another idea for Invicta via nycruza!

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The important thing is to know what you are paying for. After that, it's your decision. Unfortunately

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and some of the watch web sites that we would get in most stores. But as watchgeeks, we still want

more details and the complete truth. This all matters to many of us.

I agree.....

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Do we really have to go down this road again ? This was already played out a couple of months ago. Yes

it is preferred that we are told the truth, we already discussed this in length over and over again.

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I don't get this. Sandstone is probably the cheapest rock on planet Earth. Even limestone is rarer. Most

of the world's deserts are sandstone. Why get upset about this? If the claim was genuine gold, or

turquoise, or something, that maybe be an issue. But sandstone? It's like genuine dirt. If Invicta

enhances this worthless material to look good, so much the better.

Sheeesh...

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Do we really have to go down this road again ? This was already played out a couple of months ago.

Yes it is preferred that we are told the truth, we already discussed this in length over and over again.

We are hopefully approaching the end of the trail. SNBC has admitted these dials contain Goldstone on

their web site. I hope they will also mention this fact on air when these types of dials are presented.

Instead of calling them sandstone material dials, a more accurate description for example would be

sandstone / goldstone dials. As long as it's mentioned the dial contains goldstone, will let the consumer

know what he's actually buying.

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Do we really have to go down this road again ? This was already played out a couple of months ago.

Yes it is preferred that we are told the truth, we already discussed this in length over and over again.

Exactly my point.Leading favorable descriptions are used to describe most all products.I would dare say

that the good majority of members here have at one time focused on and exaggerated a little on a key

selling point on their resume.

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I don't get this. Sandstone is probably the cheapest rock on planet Earth. Even limestone is rarer. Most

of the world's deserts are sandstone. Why get upset about this? If the claim was genuine gold, or

turquoise, or something, that maybe be an issue. But sandstone? It's like genuine dirt. If Invicta

enhances this worthless material to look good, so much the better.

Sheeesh...

For some its the thrill of the crusade.That's all I can figure

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Man made sandstone dials.... I think that is easy to say on the air...

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You were on this from the beginning. I'm glad they are properly representing it now. I just gave my dad

a men's classique with that dial and you'd swear I gave him a gold bar he liked it so much. I have a

couple and I like the look, now I like the way it's being sold as well.

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I agree with Jeff.By now most of us know all about this.I like the look of the dials,and for the price

point,who cares,just put it to bed,it's a dead horse.

Most may know, First time for me hearing this. can't see how it is a dead horse. I can remember once

someone sold me a table that they said was solid cherry and I bought it. It looked great but later found

out the table was only veneer on top of particle board. Did not change the looks of the table and still

liked it but felt I got took. Was thinking that I was getting a great deal on the Table when in actuality I

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Also I see no where in Eyal answer to the original post that he mentions the word goldstone and does

say no man made material

Quote"

After speaking extensively with numerous experts, there seems to be confusion between the term

Sandstone as used in jewelry and sandstone the raw dessert like sand material found in nature. What

we are using is absolutely sandstone as known in the jewelry world and is considered a gemstone. That

is why when you search the term “sandstone Jewelry” or look at all other vendors you will find a broad

selection of jewelry with the same material used as in our sandstone dials. Many stones are modified,

bonded, compressed, heated, dyed, bombarded, etc., for use in jewelry. The main reason being one of

hardness, since in order to cut semiprecious stones for jewelry or dials you need a minimum hardness

of 5-6. Some stones are rare and turned to dust and then compressed with natural, others have a

tradition of going by the wrong gemological name such as black onyx which is also dyed black Agatha.

No one sells Ruby as a chemical compound (mineral) and tell you its pure aluminum oxide. No one sells

Lapis as a Rock, or a diamond as carbon.

These stones have natural properties, not manmade, but have been processed to achieve the hardness

required and/or change or enhance their look. We stand by our sandstone, a stone from natural

elements, processed to achieve 5-6 hardness and it is not to be compared with raw sandstone which is

too porous and soft for use in jewelry

A gemologist explained it as follow: Sandstone in the Jewelry industry is a sedimentary rock composed

of tiny grains of quartz or feldspar. It can be any color, but is most commonly tan, brown, yellow, red,

grey or white. The color is usually dependent on the region in which the stone was found. Sandstones

are formed by cemented grains of small fragments of pre-existing rock or crystals and are usually bound

together by calcite, clays or silica. The sedimentation process occurs when sand grains are bounced

along the bottom of a body of water or ground surface, resulting in a pressure compacted mixture.

Because sandstone widely varies in its creation, its hardness widely varies as well.

I think that no answer is ever going to satisfy everyone, I appreciate the passion. If anything this has

been very educational – I am sure there is no other brand out there that gets so personal and detailed

about a component of a watch… I’m happy to do it – if this is not commitment, I don’t know what is.

end of Quote

A lot of individuals took a lot of flack from watchgeeks on this site for even questioning that it was not

real and looked to be goldstone. Looks to me as if the truth has not been fully revealed and in such case

is not a dead horse. To those who could care less then don't visit this thread and enjoy your watches

and to those of us who do care let us know the truth.

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im glad i was not the only one to caught that! Man u guys don't miss a beat!! LOL

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We are hopefully approaching the end of the trail. SNBC has admitted these dials contain Goldstone

on their web site. I hope they will also mention this fact on air when these types of dials are presented.

Instead of calling them sandstone material dials, a more accurate description for example would be

sandstone / goldstone dials. As long as it's mentioned the dial contains goldstone, will let the

consumer know what he's actually buying.

I totally agree Jerry, mention it on air so the consumer is informed of what they are truly buying. I like

my Sandstone Pro Diver and would of bought it either way, I just like to know what I am truly buying. Be

upfront and honest with the consumer and they will probably buy the product anyway.

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I totally agree Jerry, mention it on air so the consumer is informed of what they are truly buying. I like

my Sandstone Pro Diver and would of bought it either way, I just like to know what I am truly buying.

Be upfront and honest with the consumer and they will probably buy the product anyway.

The thing is what sounds better and is more likely to sell, a sandstone or man-made goldstone dial?

Jewelry sandstone is actually goldstone. But if the customer is not aware of this, when he hears the dial

is sandstone, he assumes he's getting genuine sandstone.

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All do respect Jerry, but now we're kicking around a bucket of glue for a $59.00 watch.I spent the same

money last night at Walmart for a pair of boots and I don't need a full disclosure of the origin and or

materials used. Not at $58.99 I don't. All this thread will do is bring out the ones who carry a soap box

around with them.

Doesn't matter if it's $59, $590, $5900, etc...

I believe Jerry's point is that if the origin and/or materials that are used is revealed, it should be correct.

Being misled is unacceptable, whether it be intentional or not, irrespective of the price.

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The thing is what sounds better and is more likely to sell, a sandstone or man-made goldstone dial?

Jewelry sandstone is actually goldstone. But if the customer is not aware of this, when he hears the

dial is sandstone, he assumes he's getting genuine sandstone.

Jerry, I agree with this and your other points completely.

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Doesn't matter if it's $59, $590, $5900, etc...

I believe Jerry's point is that if the origin and/or materials that are used is revealed, it should be

correct. Being misled is unacceptable, whether it be intentional or not, irrespective of the price.

I took my nephew who is spending the weekend with me to Walmart.( he's 7 yr's old ) Among other

things I bought him was a vintage style pocket watch with an Eagle on the front cover ( since he's into

Eagles ) I paid $13.88 for that pocket watch. It is advertised as gold plated finish.Now I suppose I have a

case and have every right to burn the village down for being a victim of product miss representation. (

because it said Gold plated in its description ) But I think I'll let others pull up a soap box in front of

walmart and rally .I point to this since you indicate that price does not matter in these cases.I believe a

consumer should also use some basic common sense as well when making a purchase.

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I took my nephew who is spending the weekend with me to Walmart.( he's 7 yr's old ) Among other

things I bought him was a vintage style pocket watch with an Eagle on the front cover ( since he's into

Eagles ) I paid $13.88 for that pocket watch. It is advertised as gold plated finish.Now I suppose I have

a case and have every right to burn the village down for being a victim of product miss representation.

( because it said Gold plated in its description ) But I think I'll let others pull up a soap box in front of

walmart and rally .I point to this since you indicate that price does not matter in these cases.I believe a

consumer should also use some basic common sense as well when making a purchase.

Even still, your scenario does not make it acceptable to misrepresent.

So, by your reply, we should not trust Invicta or Shop in their product descriptions, verbal or otherwise,

and it's ok. to misrepresent a product.

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Originally Posted by desert rex

I took my nephew who is spending the weekend with me to Walmart.( he's 7 yr's old ) Among

other things I bought him was a vintage style pocket watch with an Eagle on the front cover (

since he's into Eagles ) I paid $13.88 for that pocket watch. It is advertised as gold plated

finish.Now I suppose I have a case and have every right to burn the village down for being a

victim of product miss representation. ( because it said Gold plated in its description ) But I

think I'll let others pull up a soap box in front of walmart and rally .I point to this since you

indicate that price does not matter in these cases.I believe a consumer should also use some

basic common sense as well when making a purchase.

You do have a case if the plating is not gold as advertised. I don't recommend burning down the

village, but a refund would be in order. If it doesn't bother you to pay for something and it turns

out you were sold something else or not as advertised is fine, but I think you would be in the

minority who feels this way.

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I hardly see how your scenario makes it acceptable to misrepresent.

So, by your reply, we should not trust Invicta or Shop in their product descriptions and it's ok.

to misrepresent a product.

The sand stone process has already been explained by Eyal,in which he went into great

detail.The sand stone has been reinforced in order to be workable.If any other material has been

used to enhance it's appearance, this would only benefit the consumer in overall appearance of

the watch.I have never seen so much attention covering a $59.00 watch as in the case here.For

those members who feel violated,I would suggest to pass on all Invicta time pieces,and move on.

If they're just driven to right a wrong in an all out crusade,I would suggest finding something of

a real matter of importance where their energy might be better suited.

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Originally Posted by Blade

I hardly see how your scenario makes it acceptable to misrepresent.

So, by your reply, we should not trust Invicta or Shop in their product descriptions and it's ok.

to misrepresent a product.

Accurate representation of product should always be a goal of a company in order to establish

and maintain a sense of integrity. However, misrepresentation is present in all facets throughout

the consumer goods industry; this shall remain unless specific laws prohibiting this exist-after

all, it's a business, misrepresentation can be classified as a sales technique whether intentional or

not.

An informed customer should exercise some due diligence prior to making a purchase.

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You do have a case if the plating is not gold as advertised. I don't recommend burning down

the village, but a refund would be in order. If it doesn't bother you to pay for something and it

turns out you were sold something else or not as advertised is fine, but I think you would be in

the minority who feels this way.

Jerry ,again no disrespect meant towards you.I have always enjoyed your post.

We just are not on the same page on this topic.At $13.88 I like to believe that I am intelligent

enough to distinguish between a play on word's in advertising,and product expectation.

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Accurate representation of product should always be a goal of a company in order to establish

and maintain a sense of integrity. However, misrepresentation is present in all facets

throughout the consumer goods industry; this shall remain unless specific laws prohibiting

this exist-after all, it's a business, misrepresentation can be classified as a sales technique

whether intentional or not.

An informed customer should exercise some due diligence prior to making a purchase.

Exactly my point

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The sand stone process has already been explained by Eyal,in which he went into great

detail.The sand stone has been reinforced in order to be workable.If any other material has

been used to enhance it's appearance, this would only benefit the consumer in overall

appearance of the watch.I have never seen so much attention covering a $59.00 watch as in

the case here.For those members who feel violated,I would suggest to pass on all Invicta time

pieces,and move on. If their just driven to right a wrong in an all out crusade,I would suggest

finding something of a real matter of importance where their energy might be better suited.

Eyal post was very informative to watchgeeks who read it on this forum. It would be great if the

same information on other material(s) that were used to enhance the dial's appearance, in this

case goldstone, was mentioned to the 60 million SNBC TV viewers.

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Eyal post was very informative to watchgeeks who read it on this forum. It would be great if

the same information on other material(s) that were used to enhance the dial's appearance, in

this case goldstone, was mentioned to the 60 million SNBC TV viewers.

I agree Jerry. And to the others who seems to feel that there is some price point at which a stated

product description should be correct, or forgiven if incorrect -- even though the $59 price point

is most likely a drop in the bucket to most people here, I would bet that there are a fair number

of consumers who are not collectors, that their $59 may not be as easy to come by, and they

would be upset to find out they have been misled. Some consumers couldn't care less for a $59

purchase, others would be upset. Those being upset for being misled on a $59 purchase are no

less correct in their feeling of being "taken" vs. another consumer being misled on a $5900

purchase. $59 to one consumer is $5900 another.

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Science, and Microscopes have been great tools to seperate Fact from Fiction.

I am just hoping They don't tell me in the future that the Rubber Strap on my Russian Diver is

Made from Shaved Monkey Butt hair, mixed on a molecular level with a space rock ground up

and mixed with Sea Sand !

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Eyal post was very informative to watchgeeks who read it on this forum. It would be great if

the same information on other material(s) that were used to enhance the dial's appearance, in

this case goldstone, was mentioned to the 60 million SNBC TV viewers.

You know what really separates the 60 million Shop NBC viewers from the members here.Shop

viewers are enjoying the watches they buy.Their not scouring DOD sites, price searching for the

same watch they just saw Jim and Mike present,looking for a better deal.They are not calling

each other up in the middle of the night discussing the Swiss made topic,or the ress for Invicta's

Swiss factory's. They are not sending Email's trying to catch Michael Davis in a lie. No, they are

having fun buying Invicta time pieces,and enjoying life.Sometimes we can become so smart and

technical that we become stupid,and forget how to enjoy this hobby we all share without looking

for turmoil and conspiracy.

The word stupid is meant as part of the phrase and not directed to any member.

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I don't get this. Sandstone is probably the cheapest rock on planet Earth. Even limestone is

rarer. Most of the world's deserts are sandstone. Why get upset about this? If the claim was

genuine gold, or turquoise, or something, that maybe be an issue. But sandstone? It's like

genuine dirt. If Invicta enhances this worthless material to look good, so much the better.

Sheeesh...

True dat....was thinking of marketing some limestone...lol..

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Science, and Microscopes have been great tools to seperate Fact from Fiction.

I am just hoping They don't tell me in the future that the Rubber Strap on my Russian Diver is

Made from Shaved Monkey Butt hair, mixed on a molecular level with a space rock ground up

and mixed with Sea Sand !

There's no "monkey butt hair" in my rubber strap!? Oh! there's no "rubber" in my rubber strap

either. I guess it's been enhanced. I know a girl who's been...but that's off topic.

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The "Plot" may Thicken !

I was Thinking, What if there is Diamond dust residue on the Meteorite Dials as those are cut

into Dials !

A Gibeon Meteorite Dial enhanced with DIAMONDS, OH NO !

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Not to be an a.., but, anyone with half a brain knows that sandstone is a fragile, crumbling

material. It can't be cut or shaped without some kind of binding agent and compaction.

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Well...since I grew up in a family of Gemologist, Geologist, and rock

hounds....I knew from the get go that the "Sandstone" dials were

different colored Goldstone dials. Sandstone could never be used by

itself...it's too soft. I mean...if you ever had a class in geology...even in

like the 8th grade...you got to see what sandstone was...and

limestone...etc. My Great Aunt use to make "Goldstone" herself...she was

a certified Gemologist...she cut diamonds and faceted them for a living.

I posted about this a long time ago...that it was also called aventurine

glass...and it's made for lots of diffent uses in jewelry. You use copper to

make the red goldstone...and Cobalt to make the blue

goldstone...manganese to make purple goldstone...chromium makes a green

goldstone. It's a quick lookup on the net...or on Wikipedia....

I like my "blue sandstone" dial....and I knew from the start what it

was....aventurine glass..not sandstone.... __________________

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