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THE MANITOBA PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER

Published by the Association of Professional Engineers of the Province of Manitoba . 710-177 Lombard Avenue, Winnipeg, Manitoba R3B OW9

President - G. A. De Pauw, P. Eng. Vice-President - D. R. Grimes, P. Eng.

Managing Director and Regiatrar - T. W. Algeo, P. Eng.

Council - C. R. Bouskill, N. P. Feschuk, Ji,.. 'W. Gilliland, E. F. Glass, J. S. Hicks, C. R. McBain, A. G. Moffatt, R. E. Scouten.

The Manitoba Professional Engineer . is published under the direction of the Bulletin Committee.

Editor - E. A. Speers, P. Eng. Associate Editor - J. W. J. Lewis, P. Eng.

Committee Members - R. M. Stokes, R. A. Kane, F. S. Gira, C. H. Templeton, R. R. Foster, R. J. Rennie, W. R. Newton, A. G. ·Kuluk, L. J . . Whitney, B. R. Hryhorczuk, R. C. Isaak, S. J. Armstrong, J. Westdal, K. D. Gissing, R. Ludwick, A. C. Jorgenson, D. G. Ramsey.

Opinions expressed are not necessarily those held by the A. P. E. M. or the Council of the A. P. E. M

WINNIPEG, MANITOBA, AUGUST, 1974

President's Message By G. A. DE PAUW, P.Eng.

The members of /our Council and the members of most o the committees have been very active since my last communi­cation with you through this medium.

However, the membership has been rather silent and completely unresponsive to my invitation for comment at the end of the PresMent's messages.

Silence from the membership at large can be interpreted in two ways:

1. We like what you say.

2. The points raised don't merit com­ment,

Well, the Annual Meeting Committee plans to place some important issues be­fore you at the next annual meeting and, to help liven up the program, will be in­"viting your wives to attend and parti­cipate if you won't.

Therefore, take note of the very im­portant date of the annual meeting. To the wives of the Engineers who read this

bulletin, please mark it up on your calen­dar. The dates are November 29 and 30. A ladies' committee has been set up to make the attending wives feel welcome.

The University of Manitoba has selected a new Dean for the Faculty of Engineering and your University Liaison Committee has arranged to give him a warm wel­come. He is Dr. L. Martin Wedepohl.

The Association will be participating as a member of the Building Standards Board to assist in establishing a uniform building code in the Province in · compliance with a request from the Honourable A. R. Paulley to nominate a representative to serve. Mr. Andy Gilliland has gene,rously a~eed to represent us on the Board.

\Stevenson & Kellogg Ltd., Management C()nsultants, have been retained to ulti­mately publish a minimum salary schedule fqr Registered Practising Engineers. A cpmmittee has been appointed to work closeiy with our Management Consultants. The Management Consultants have been

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hired to do the job for both the A.P.E .M. and the A.P.E.S.

Mr. Andy Gilliland and Mr. Clyde McBain deserve thanks for the very cap­able way they presented the AssociatiOn's opposition to the titles used in the "Power Engineers Act", which is now law.

Some issues meriting your consideration and thought prior to our Annual Meeting are itemized below:

1. C.C.P.E. move to set up national committees.

2. Bill 33 "Power Engineers Act" -Shoulq we request the Government to amend the "Bill" to change the title?

3. Safety in Engineering Practice and the Committee's function.

4. Mentors for E.I.T.'s in all cases.

5. Proposed schedule setting out mini­mum salaries .for Registered Practis­ing Engineers.

6. Practice and Ethics Committee's effectiveness - Should we publish the reasons for disciplining?

7. A Union of Professional Engineers.

8. Kipling Ritual - Calling of the E.1-gineer after registration.

9. Public Relations. 10. Statute of Limitation on Professional

Liability.

Please think about the issues presented above and start preparing now to attend the Annual Meeting.

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We regret to record the deaths in August of S. Murray Bolton, P. Eng., Reg. Hugo, P. Eng., and R. C. Cunning-

ham, P.Eng.

COUNCIL MEETS IN THE HEAT

OF SUMMER

Your Council remains at work nomatter the time of year or . the weather outdoors. As a matter of fact one of your Council members drove all the way in from his

cottage to attend this meeting. Against this background it is not surprising that while the temper of the meeting was on the surface relaxed, the officious expedien­cy which characterizes each meeting un­derlined each Council member's stance on each subject handled on the agenda. Some of the better· comments were held for those points not on the agenda .lmt your reporter will have to handle them very carefully as we still remain in the cautious state so as not to be accused of being too too political.

.After the accounts, licences, EIT's, transfers, reinstatements, etc. were passed a rather interesting debate developed . over a C.C.P.E. point in the minutes. To be specific it was minute 1271, May 16-17, 197 4 meeting where the Canadian En­gineering Manpower Council wanted more money and staff to carry out its designated task of anticipating future requirements of engineers. Manitoba opposed ratifying this additional expense because this com­mittee is failing to supply information which is anything better than six months old. The Council voted against ratifying this extra · money but Manitoba's position is in the minority position at C.C.P.E. so be prepared for big things from the Canadian Engineering Manpower Council (he says with tongue in cheek and breath­ing rate unchanged) .

The Council next turned its attention to Biomedical Engineering for which these famous lines shall be held near to their hearts. "Biomedical Engineering and teach­ing of engineering subjects shall be re-· cognized as Branches of Engineering, as p~ovided by Section 2 ( g) of the . Engineer­ing .Profession Act." Only one Counciller admitted to not knowing what the defi­nition of Biomedical Engineering is, if there is one, everyone . else figured they knew, so based on this assurance the By-Law Number 42 . passed _u~an~mously.

A request from the Masonry Contractors Association for a ·representative of the APEM to sit on their Bid Depository Committee was tabled to be considered aftei: additional information could . be obtained about the duties of the repre­sentative.

Somehow at this point a comment was raised about the Power Engineers Aet which passed untouched by the Associit­tioh's brief to your Labour Mi..,ister and mine Mr. Russ Paulley. It would seem as though the government of the people, fo~ the people and by the people felt they were above said brief and · it would seem

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that certain members of council had a severe case of disjointed noses. (And who can blame them?) Now they understand the Bulletin Committee's position assumed many months ago.

That said, the meeting moved on to the next order of business, that being the formation of an Ad Hoc Committee for a compensation study by Stevenson-Kellogg for engineers in Manitoba and Saskatche­wan. The formula of the cbmmittee was approved.

John Lewis' letter to council informing them of the incoming Dean of Engineer­ing at the University of Manitoba and a suggestion to have an informal meeting with the new dean was passed.

The meeting concluded with a report from Jim Sinclair regarding some proposed revisiOns to the fee schedule. It would appear that a principal in ·an engineering practice is worth approximately the same as your average journeyman plumber. While this may seem like more than ad­equate compensation to that starving sect

·known as the working poor this fee thing was discussed at length and passed.

With that done council adjourned to a repast of sandwiches, coffee, cokes and cookies. It might not seem· like much but when the big hand is at 12 and the little one at 7 and you ·haven't had anything since a piece of toast and a glass of juice 12 hours earlier the egg salad sandwiches reserved for the reporter were the highlight of the meeting and now with this report concluded I will retire to a cold beer.

This summer heat is something else isn't ii:? -R.A.K.

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THE MANITOBA COUNCIL OF

PRO.FESSIONAL ENGINEERS

Last September, Council agreed in principle with a proposal from the Legisla­tion and Employee Engineers Committees to form an organization, constitutionally

., ~eparate from the APEM, to be called either '' · .the Manitoba Society of Engineers or the

Manitoba Council of Professional En­gineers. Following approval in principle, Council directed the Legislation and Em­ployee Engineers Committees to prepare a report outlining the details of this self­goveming body which would represent and

act on behalf of Professional Engineers to set levels of education, remuneration and working conditions and to take the necessa­ry steps to achieve these levels. However, almost a year ·has gone by and Council has changed and so perhaps, have the "attitudes of the general membership.

At its meeting of June 10, Council de­feated by a vote of five to three a motion to accept the recommendations of the Em­ployee Engineers and Legislation Com­mittees urging implementation of the pro­posal for the formation of a separately constituted organization to be known as the Manitoba Council of Professional Engineers. Supporting the motion were Councillors Glass, Gilliland and Feschuk. Opposed were Councillors Bouskill, Grimes, Hicks, Mof­fatt and Scouten. A motion to the effect that Council be prepared to embark on a new program providing the necessary fund­ing to carry out a member oriented service function was also defeated.

Debating as committee . of the whole, Council seemed to be of the opinion that a separate organization was not necessary. It was evident that the majority of Council felt that the APEM could provide for the needs of the membership including those of the employee engineer as well as could a separate organization. Later in the meet­ing, Council took a step in this direction by passing a motion to proceed imme­diately with the preparation of recom­mended salary level schedules and agreed with the recommendations of the Consult­ing Engineers Committee with regard to proposed revisions to the schedule of minimum fees for Consulting Professional Engineering Services. -L.J.W.

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BILL 33, THE POWER ENGINEERS ACT APPROVED BY THE

LEGISLATURE DESPITE A.P.E.M. OPPOSITION

, The Bill provides for reciprocal agree­ment with other provinces regarding the qualifications for engineering tradesmen. When proclaimed, the Bill will refer to those weviously known as Stationery or Operat­ihg Engineers as Power Engineers. Early in the year, the A.P.E.M. was alerted to the fact by Canadian Council that the staf\ionery engineers in the various pro­vinces were proposing such legislation. C.C.P.E. and the A.P.E.M. were of the opinion that the standardization provided

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for was desireable but that the adoption of the "Power Engineers" .title would create confusion in the minds of the public' and would constitute further .erosion of the rights and privileges of professional en­gineers.

In order to oppose the adoption by Le­gislation of . the "Power Engineers" title, a meeting was arranged with the Hon. A. R. Paulley on April 18th and attended by Messrs. De Pauw, Gilliland, Hood and Algeo. Mr. Hood represented Canadian Council at· the meeting.

The delegation left the meeting with the impression that there would be no great problem in the selection of a name other than' "Power Engineers" which would be acceptable to the Association. We were of course, advised to appear be­fore the Industrial Relations Committee to register our OJ?position and propose amend­ments after the Bill received second read­ing.

The following letter was transmitted to Mr. Paulley by President De Pauw during the meeting:

Hon. A. R. Paulley Minister of Labour Province of Manitoba

Dear Mr. Paulley:

April 18, 1974

Re: Bill 33, The Power Engineers Act

The Association of Professional Engineers of Manitoba would like to express its sup­port for the general intention of Bill 33 which we understand is an effort to es­tablish uniform standards for the opera­tion of power equipment across Canada.

The Association, as you know, is charged with the responsibility under the Engineer­ing Profession Act to protect the general public by ensuring that engineering is carried out only by those qualified to practise. The disciplinary power granted to the Association ensures protection from conduct · by Association members detri­mental to the public interest, from will­ful negli1Zence, or misconduct · in the practice of engineering. This responsibility is a broad one and extends to all establish­ed disciplines and branches of engineer­ing.

It has been obvious to those responsible within the Association for some time that a need exists for a clear understandin~ in the public mind of just who is an 'en­gineer'' and who is professionally quali-

fied to provide competent ··design and technical leadership. We are concerned that the wording chosen to describe Power Plant Operators in the new bill ie. Power Engineer may . be confusing to the general public in that it does appear to establish yet another branch of engineering and thereby contributes to a lessening of general understanding of who and who is not an engineer. We request, therefore, that con­sideration be given to the deletion of the word · engineer from the new bill and suggest as an alternate the words "Power Plant Operator" to take the place of the chosen description.

We are aware that the previous act covering the operation of pressure equip­ment referred to the· term 'Stationary En­gineer" and to the term "Operating En~ gineer". As the "Operating Engineers and Firemens Act" originally pre-dated the Engineering Profession Act there has been no opportunity to delete the word. en­gineer from that document. It now appears that the opportunity exists to clear up this longstanding ambiguity by deleting the term "engineer" from the title of the ope­rator of pressure equipment.

The other situation we believe should be clarified under the new bill occurs from time to time when there is a need for a · Professional Engineer to COIIlIIUSs1on, operate, maintain, and train others on pressure equipment. This situation does not appear to have been covered in the pro­posed bill in a way which would exemyt Professional Engineers from obtaining the Operator's Certificate. We believe that a clause inserted into Section 7 ( 2) specifi~ cally exempting Professional Engineers from the requirement to take an exami­nation under Clause ( c) of Section 7 ( 1 ) would clear up this deficiency.

Thank you for the opportunity to pre­sent these opinions to you. We trust that such dialogue is helpful in the develop­ment of adequate legislation.

Yours very truly,

ASSOCIATION OF PROFESSIONAL ENGINEERS OF THE PROVINCE OF MANITOBA

G. A. De Pauw, P. Eng., President.

At 8 p.m. on June 3, 1974, Messrs. McBain, Jost and Algeo appeared before the Industrial Relations Committee and F. A. Jost, P. Eng. presented a brief in opposition to the use of the Power En­gineers title on behalf of the Manitoba

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Hydro Professional Engineers Association. Past President C. R. McBain delivered the following A.P.E.M. brief:

June 3, 1974

Chairman

The Industrial Relations Committee Legislative Assembly of Manitoba

Dear Sir:

The Association of Professional Engineers of the Province of Manitoba is pleased to ' have the opportunity to present its views on Bill 33 to this Committee. The President of A.P.E.M. together with several Association members met earlier with the Hon. A. R. Paulle)' to discuss Bill 33. This discussion indicated that A.P.E.M. support­ed . the general intention of Bill 33, but that A.P.E.M. did have concern for two areas of the Bill. A letter outlining our concerns was sent to the Hon. A. R. Paulley on April 18, 197 4 and our presence here tonight is to explain these concerns to you.

We are concerned first and principally with the title of Bill 33 i.e. "The Power Engineers Act" and with the title "Power Engineer" which certificate holders under this Act would be allowed to use.

The A.P.E.M., together with its sister Associations in other provinces and with our national co-ordinating body, Cana­dian Council of Professional Engineers are naturally · and ·· rightfully concerned with the title Engineer, Professional Engineer, or any variation of a title embodying the word "Engineer" in it.

The A.P.E.M. exists to administer The Erigin.eering Professional Act of the Pro­vince of Manitoba. This act, under Sec­tion 28 ( b) states that "no person shall assume verbally or otherwise the title "professional engineer" or · any abbrevia­tion thereof or any name, title, designa­tion or descriptive term that may lead any other person to believe that he is a .pro­fessional engineer or entitled to engage in the practice of professional engineering".

I quote from our President's · letter to the Hon. Mr. Paulley of April 18, 1974-

"It has been obvious to those responsible within the Association for some time that a

' need exists for a clear understanding in the ~· public mind of just who is an "en­gineer" and who is ·professionally quali­Hed · to · proVide competent design and technical leadershiy. We are concerned that the: wording chosen to desciibe Power

Plant Operators in the new bill ie. Power Engineer may be confusing to the general public in that it does appear to establish yet another branch of engineering and thereby contributes to a lessening of general understanding of who is and who is not an engineer. We request, therefore, that consideration be given to the deletion of the word engineer from the new bill and suggest as an alternate the words "Power Plant Operator" to take the place of the chosen description."

In Canada the abbreviation "P. Eng." is used by registered Professional Engineers. In the United Stateii the abbreviation used is "P. E." The A.P.E.M. submits that the title "Power Engineer" or any abbrevia­tion thereof would tend 'to conflict with the title Professional Engineer and thus cause confusion to the public. We respect­fully suggest that the introduction of this Bill creates an opportunity to do away with this confusion and duplication of titles by deleting the word "engineer" from the new Bill and we would suggest "Power Plant Operator" as a suitable title.

The other Associations of Professional Engineers in Canada are making represen­tations to their legislatures similar in nature to this. We are advised that the term ''Power Engineer" could not be used in Quebec as it would be in violation of the Quebec Engineering Profession Act and we are also advised that the title "Power Engineer" is not likely to be accepted by the Ontario Legislature. Thus with the name Power Engineer not likely to be accepted in the two l"urisdictions in Can­ada in which are emp oyed the majority of people who would hold this title, it would seem that the desire for standardization implied in this Bill is not going to be met. Thus it would seem to the A.P.E.M. that a change in title away from "Power En­gineer" would best serve the interests of all concerned, including those who now wish to use the title, by giving them an opportunity to select a title that would be recognized in all of Canada.

Our second concern is of a different na­ture and arises from the fact that from time to time a P. Eng. must commission, operate, maintain and train others on pres­sure equipment. This situation does not appear to have been covered in the pro­posed bill in a way which would exempt Professional Engineers from obtainin~ the Operator's Certificate. We believe that a claus!( .inserted into Section 7 ( 2) specifi­cally \ exempting Professional Engineers from the requirement to take an exami­nation under Clause ( c) of Section 7 ( 1 )

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would clear up this deficiency.

Thank you for the opportunity to pre-' sent our concerns to you. As noted earlier; we are in general agreement with the in­tent of the Bill but are deeply concerned with the items noted.

Yours very truly,

C. R. McBain, P. Eng. Past President A.P.E.M.

Following a misleading newspaper ar­ticle which appeared on June 4th, 1974, the Managi~g Director delivered the fol­lowing letter:

June $,_ 1974

Mr. T. W. Johannson Chairman · Industrial Relations Committee Legislative Assembly of Manitoba

Dear Mr. Johannson:

Re: Bill 33

Our Association's presentation to the In­dustrial Relations Committee on June 3, 197 4 requested that any reference to the word "engineer" should be deleted from Bill 33 because of the confusion created in the minds of the Public.

A perfect example of the confusion we wish to avoid appeared in the Winnipeg Tribune of June 4 under the ominous heading "'Bill irks engineers; walkouts possible". Certainly the nineteen hundred and seventy-three engineers registered to practise engineering in this province by Proviqcial Statute do not contemplate walk­outs ·and yet because of the inaccurate use of the title "engineer" our members are being discredited in the minds of the gener11l public.

Souitd engineering design is vital if the safety. of the public is to be assured, and the pµblic has the right to know who is and tho is not qualified to practise en­gineering and be ·called an engineer in this province. We urge you to take this opportj.mity to avoid and eliminate any duplic;ltion of titles which could only be confus.inS: to the public.

Suffici~nt copies of this letter have been provided ~ for distribution to members of your Committee and it would be appre-

dated if you would arrange fo~ this distri­bution.

Yours very truly~

ASSOCIATION OF PROFESSIONAL .ENGINEERS OF THE PROVINCE OF MAN~TOBA

Per T. W. Algeo, P.Eng. Managing Director and Registrar

c.c. Hon. A. R. Paulley Mr. Stephen Riley

When Bill 33 passed third reading Council members were angered and disillu­sioned to learn that despite all represen­tations in good. faith by the A.P.E.M. and by House .members Craik and Minaker, the Bill was ·approved with no change to or deletion of the Power Engineer termino­logy.

Furth.er action will be taken if a chance of success exists. Meanwhile you can draw your own conclusions. -T.W.A.

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SOME CALLED IT GOLF! Sports Committee Chairman Bill Mac­

kenzie disposed of years of corruption and ran an honest tournament,. leaving the Committee members without prizes. He didn't even award a prize to President George De Pauw or Councillor Allan Moffatt for golf, or Past President Clyde McBain for socializing.

Bob Leflar got lost in the trees on the first hole and didn't show UlJ by dinner time. Bill Litvinchuk wore a classy leather glove for picking balls out of the thorns. Ron Fisher came in from Portage, Bob McKibbin fortunately missed a skuilk en route from Birtle and Merv Robinson arrived from Carman and gathered up the most green worms on the first nine. Ron Fisher got a bee in his ear. If Sean Ka­vanagh had been able to take time off from work to come in from Brandon he would have gone after the bee with a seven iron, so he said.

Thor Gaul arrived in matching socks and shirt and looked as if he belonged to some other group. Carl Sherwin arrived on time, which for him is twenty minutes late. Bob Tillotson announced that he got diaper rash last time out, and plenty of mosquito bites this time. Heading out for

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the second nine Fred Young called out, "If we ever finish would you let me know."

Pre~ident · George De Pauw, flanked by Sports Conjrnittee Chairman Bill Mackenzie and Councillor Allan Moffatt, points with pride to the basket of buns he won at the

. · golf tournament. -'--~------------

Roger Ludwick put his drive on the 9th into a lake on the 18th, did the. breast stroke . to retrieve the ball, had a beer while;· his buddies were in the bush and ended up with a bogey. Bob Finsten re­fused to eat after 9 holes saying, "It would ruin my balance.'~ : ·

Having not had much success as a missionary at the· Annual· Ball, Bob Morri­son has turned to politics and was trying to make converts in the lounge. Dave Pashniak learned some cute tricks while he was away in South America. He made a chif shot into the patio area where severa ladies were sipping lemonade and , chipped around among their ankles to get· back to the fairway.

Bill Sullivan lost a ball down a gopher hole. Gordon Marshall found 7 balls on the 5th hole. Al Myska had the mumps and couldn't attend. George Pratt hit Bill Sullivan's ball from a trap 150 yards to the green, Bill,. always polite, said "Thanks" and carried on. ·

Harold Wilson was the best engineering golfer on the course, Doug Stephen, who just missed beating , 'Harold, won the Sullivan Cup. ·

Prizes were donated by Canadian Johns­Manville, Mumford Medland; B.A.C.M., Dominion Bridge, W. L. Wardrop & Asso-

' · dates, Monarch Machinery, Reid Crowther. and Nelson River Construction donated wine for dinner and Bob Gottfred for lunch.

We were pleased that genial Bill Lynn won a prize, (not the one his firm donat-

ed) since Canadian Johns-Manville have been contributing prizes and players to the tournament for two decades. The de­cor at the registration desk has improved with Maggie Brownie taking over these dul;,ies and Wayne .Stewart's grandmother, who has done the job in the past, being transferred to other duties. Wayne won the prize for the worst dressed golfer for his jaundice-yellow outfit. Gordon Koch was the best dressed golfer of the day and the only one to .wear a tie for dinner.

Golf' Dinner

Behind every successful man is a woman and we publish the above picture so it may be seen what rear-end and semi­profile views of President George De Pauw and Councillor Allan Moffatt are available to Mrs. De Pauw and Mrs. Moffatt. We disavow any connection with the hugging

and kissing orgy in the background.

The festivities ended with a "Reach for the Bottom" quiz. Members selected at random. from a cup containing only three names, were Dave Farlinger, Bill Sullivan and Gordon Marshall.. They took on the Sports Committee team of Bill Saunders, Ted Parent and Sean Kavanagh (who sat in for Ron Gordon who said he had to work). The . Random team got off to a shaky start when Gordon Marshall was asked 'When did the war of 1812 start?' and he replied '1776'. However, the score was evened out because Sean did not know what the state flower of New Hamp­shire is. Dave Farlinger gave the Random team a big lift because he knew that a 'hooker' was a sailing ship and not the opposite of a slicer, one who fishes with a hook, or an immigrant who fights de­portation, dabbles in shoplifting and is a member of another profession. Ted Parent let l;tis team down badly . by not being able to select the right answer from a multiple choice for the question: 'Pierre Trudeau has· scheduled the birth of his

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twa sons on Christmas Day. What does he not give up for Lent?'

The Sports Committee did even worse when they faced the second team, known as the Brass Team, composed of President George D.e Pauw, Councillor Allan Moffatt and Pasf President Frank Fowler. George astounded himseH by not recognizing a quotation from his own President's Mes­sage, which he had laboriously written out by hand, and he astounded almost everyone else with the correct answer to the question, 'What is the number of the discipline by-l!_iw.' Allan Moffatt knew that Caesar was involved in the life of Queen Cleopatra but Sean Kavanagh did not know the name of the asp that ended Cleo's life. Frank Fowler knew that the Titanic was sunk in 1912 but Ted Parent could not give the ·name of the engineer who had declared the ship unsinkable. .So the Sports Committ€e lost again, even with their Chairman, Bill Mackenzie, acting as 'mode-rator. ·

We wish to acknowledge the regular attendance at our goH tournaments of non­members Neil Wither, George Irving and Harry Campbell· who support the tourna­ment, add considerable conviviality and do their best to keep some of our more obstreperous members in line.

Those attending heaved a big sigh of relief after dinner when staff members Maggie Brownie and Loreen Dunklee left and the boys could start telling jokes, having behaved like perfect gentlemen all day.

Sean Kavanagh made the best speech of the day when he rose to acknowledge the prize he got for being a member of the losing Sports Committee team. He said he had been attending the tournament for years, had never won so much as a golf ball, even in other fields he didn't win much having come in second in a contest for the centrefold of Playgirl Magazine, and at last he had won last prize in a contest and it was a lollipop.

Those with birdies included Jerry Kruk, Gordon Koch, Carl Sherwin, Gordon Mar­shall, Ed Welter, Doug Stephen, Peter Johnson. Frank Amason won the Pure Grit Award, just for turning out, after being hit on the head by a passing goH ball in last year's Spring tournament. -S.J.A.

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Architects Mixed Curling League please telephone A. M. Mackenzie at 474-1311 for further information.

PROGRESS RE1PORf -TEMPLETON JAPANESE GARDEN

At this time last year we published an account of how Cub Reporter Carson Templeton broke his ankle while watching his wife make .a Japanese garden (accord­fo.g to his directions ) at their summer camp. We commissioned a noted American· botanist to inspect the garden and we are phased to present his report.

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A TEM'PLETON TRAVESTY

Where are the dreams of yesteryear? The master sits in contemplative mood cursing the throne height that tortures a healed but tender, dangling, broken leg. Through the graceful crescent ornamenting the pagoda, across the memory of a year past and the vista of a rock-lumpy side yard next to the tea house, his mind's eye views the grandeur of the Templeton Japanese garden. There in the gin-fogged moonlight is the graceful bridge arching the waterlily pond filled with good fat carp, the sinuous pathways of white crushed stone, the moss shrouded rocks, the count­less evergreen shrubs and trees (imported at great expense without government sub­sidy) and the tinkling waterfall - and overall the tranquility that only a Japanese garden and evidence anew that all systems are functioning can bring to a mortal en-· gineer.

But an end to reverie! The winter snows are gone, the sins of a summer past are revealed, and unbiased judgment assesses the project. The concept, the plan, the design and the specifications are found complete and impeccable. Environmental specifications equal the engineering in de­tail and the protection of Clearwater Bay environment is assured. The "as-builts" however show strange departures from de­sign - no art, just artifice. The tea house emerges as the summer dwelling and a lonely pathway formed by shuffling feet wends through weed patch to utilitarian pagoda. The walkways of crushed stone are but a heap of unsorted, unwashed aggregate; the lily pond a rude, minuscule pit; the bridge but a pile of unsorted scrap stock - all monuments to Laurie's unfinish­ed labor.

Only the plants preserve the Templeton dream of a Japanese garden. With skill and

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determination native species have been extirpated and replaced by those of authentic Japanese origin - all neatly labeled (in Laurie's handwriting). There for all to see and admire are: Pinus resi­rwsa japonica Templeton (Japanese red pine)· Pinus strobus japonica Templeton (J ap~ese white pine); Betula papyrifera fapon£ca Templeton (Japanese paper birch); Populus tremuloid~s japonica Templeton (Japanese quaking aspen); Camus canadensis japonica ' Templeton (Japanese dwarf . camel); Equisetum ar­vense japonica Templeton (Japanese horse­tail) · Epilobium angustifolium japonica Templeton (Japanese fireweed) - an~ ~n through a total .of 306 JaI?a~ese, asiatic and oriental species and vaneties to mark the triumph of engineering genius.

The popularity of the Templeton con­cept is attested by the display of informal versions of his garden across the breadth of Canada. True to the specifications the envl.ronment has been preserved - only a broken rusted shovel in a spoil mound, and an ~qually rusted, water-filled wheel­barrow which provides continuation of the mosquito population, sully the fol'I!1al garden scene. Wi~ ~e Tem~letoman generosity a crude sign C,!f Ca!s,on s hani!­writing) points the way to Laune.s Garden . He was overheard to say, "She did it and she deserves the credit".

Readers interested in the "as-built" plan send $1.00 plus postage for the "Temp~eton Template" - a zilch, a zero, a cipher graven in non-biodegradable plastic.

-M.E.B.

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COMMUNICATIONS An Engineer in Training started a re­

cent letter to the Association office off with "First, I would like to comment on the publication The Manitoba Professional Engineer. I find it extremely interesting and informative and find your authors, such as R. A. Kane on (Some Bull from Turnbull Dive) displaying great intelli­gence." Obviously a very discerning reader.

The Executive Assistant 'to the Leader of the Opposition of the Manitoba Govern­ment wrote to our President, "Mr. Spivak

· has asked me to acknowledge and thank you for your statement regarding flood control in Manitoba. We certainly agree that the flood control systems built in this province since 1950 performed magnifi­cently during our recent troubles. Mr. Spivak greatly appreciated having that

analysis from the standpoint of a pro­fessional engineer."

And from J. Wally McKenzie, M.L.A. for Roblin:

Dear Mr. De Pauw:

I am pleased to acknowledge your ex­cellent statement issued on behalf of the Association, related to the present flooding conditions in Manitoba, and . your record of performance over the years in the de­sign and construction of Manitoba's flood control facilities aci:oss our great Province.

Your article is a most important and timely document, and I support the views expressed therein. I also congratulate your Association for reminding the people of Manitoba once again that we have much to be thankful for in flood control.

I hope members of the Legislature will continue to press the Schreyer Govern­ment for additional flood control monies and legislation, because there is still much to be done. I shall do my part, as I have in the past, and hope they will heed my suggestions, especially in the area on the east side of the Duck Mountain Provincial Park which is part of Roblin Constituency.

I am pleased to hear your voice and I hope you will continue to remind the peo­ple of Manitoba of the untiring efforts you have devoted to providing us with our present engineering designs to control our surplus waters in years such as we ex­perienced this year.

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PINAWA NEWS By JOHN WESTDAL, P. Eng.

Hydro engineers downstream at Seven Sisters will get a good .reception in Mani­toba's Atomic Capital this summer. They managed to keep the river up at least two feet over last year's level, keeping most of the rocks our boats used to hit well out of sight.

Ray Sochaski got hot during the Pinawa Open Golf Tournament and came away with a first prize. Ross Reid and Mike Silitisky did a good job of sailing their Fireball and came in second during the Pinawa Open Sailing Regatta; yours truly didn't. do such a good job, dumped his boat land came in wet. J. Maxwell has transferred to Glace Bay to help operate our heavy water plant. Dave Turner is

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leaving in August, first to Toronto, then to help in ·the start up of our reactor in Argentina. Dallas Nelson has left the Com­pany for a new job in Edmonton and Dick Frey has left to take a new positioi:i in Calgary.

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FLIN FLON NEWS By F. S. GIRA, P. Eng.

It's a lovely evening out here at the lake. A nice tall drink, the quiet that falls when five children finally surrender them­selves to sleep. Complete relaxation afte:­a hard day's work. What a life, for some people that is.

Five lots down ·w. J. Stickney, P. Eng. is getting his summer house relaxation and enjoyment by constructing an addition to the place. Hydro has come to the beach and there are power tools that have to be used and visiting family to use them.

Monday, June 24th, 1974 three more of Flin Flon's P; Engs. were honored on their farewell as they joined the ever in­creasing ranks of P. Engs. found migrating to Toronto.

J. R. G. Sadler, P. Eng. honored on his departure leaves Flin Flon as General Manager Hudson Bay Mining and Smelt­ing Co., to take on the responsibilities of Vice President - Mining.

R. F. Pearson, P. Eng. honored also, leaves Flin Flon as Smelter Superintendent to become part of the Toronto based De­velopment Group.

R. L. Price, P. Eng. also honored, has been appointed General Manager of Mine­search Surveys Ltd., Toronto, a new ex­ploration company formed to extend appli­cations of the Barringer Airtrace airborn bigeochemical exploration system.

J. G. Bragg, P. Eng. has, after a 14 year absence, rejoined Hudson Bay Explo­ration and Development Company ~s Cen­tral Exploration Manager based at Flin Flon. Welcome Home Gord.

F. S. Gira, P. Eng. was appointed to Chief Plant Engineer assuming responsibili­ty for the Maintenance Planning, DesiiJ! and Drafting and Industrial functions. Frank leaves the Mechanical Department and the position of General Forem1n Mechanical Services, a post he has held since August 27, 1971.

Of possible interest to P. Engs. is the fact that now credits towards post gra­duate certificates are available to partici­pants of seminars conducted by the Ameri­can Management Association.

Continuing Education Units, (C.E.U.'s) are granted for every ten hours of seminar participation and diploma type certificates of C.E.U.'s are presented U:pon ;Comple­tion .of each seminar.

That's it for now.

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TECHNICAL TALKS No. 3.1 Engineering The System

To be a successful engineer one must understand that stresses and strains, chemi­cal formulae and watts are now used only by some whizz kid who speaks only in "yes" and "no" language of computers. Anyone over 30 years of age doesn't know this language so he must retire into obso­l3scence or get into some work that the whizz kid can't understand.

The easiest transition for an engineer to make and still retain his professional stand­ing is to learn to "manipulate the system" in which he works. In Washington they hire specialists for this and the present president's (at time of writing) helpers developed this to a degree of competence almost as good as our own Winnipeg t ochnology. In Manitoba we do not need to call in foreign "Plumbers"; we train them ourselves.

If some of you engineers are approach­ing the obsolescent age of 30, bring your rocking chair a little closer and 111 tell you how to gain power, prestige and money. In fact your money increases may even keep up with inflation. (This should not be considered a political comment or even humor and so meets the Bulletin's Code of Abstinence).

First of all forget everything you learned at school; you won't need that stuff any­more.

Second, forget about the assignment your boss has given you. He is just trying to e'1gineer the system his way and that's not th~ right way (your way) so he must be Pxtirpated (a big word like this will throw him off stride and give you the opportunity to stab him in the back).

Thirdly, do not do original work such as writing reports or making calculations

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that someone can check. Instead, pass on other people's work. If this work is consi­dered good by those higher in the hierarchy you can take the credit and if it is not considered good you can blame the true author. Do not waste your time reading the reports because their content is of no interest. It is only the thickness that is important. If you really want to get ahead collect two or three reports along with some appendices that you picked up some­where (the relevance of the appendices is of no concern because. no one will read them anyway) and bind them together. The cover of this compilation should be in three colors because color lends class to a person's office and your report will gain greater acceptance.

It is always good to have a conclusion on the first page in case someone should open the book. The standard conclusion is that "more research is necessary". This standard conclusion has two advantages: it makes an excuse for the lack of courage of an author who could not make up his mind; it also gives him an excuse to hire more staff to do the research and thereby increase his power base.

Fourth: do not adopt a positive attitude towards your associates. It is much easier to run them down than build them up. Building them up will only increase your competition. '

Long gone are the days when "educa­tion" ends when you get your iron ring. If old age ( +24) is creeping up on you start learning now to engineer the system and extend your working life, your satis­faction, your power and your dough.

And so endeth the first lesson in the Continuing Education series "Engineering the System" or more commonly "Shaft Your Associate" or more commonly still "To Hell With the Consumer and the Public".

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THOS. CRAPPER, P. ENG., R.1.P.

A man-hole cover in Westminster Abbey. sequestered amongst the tombstones of England's greatest, bears the inscription­.~"[hos. Crapper Sanitary Engineer Chelsea".

Thomas Crapper, a product of Victorian times, grew up under conditions of open street sewers where fainting damsels of the day were said to suffer from "the vapors". To flush the toilets of the days before 1870 the Victorians pulled a chain

that lifted a plug, thus allowing water from a cistern into a flush pipe. The plumbers of the day rarely assured a tight fit so the plug allowed the passage of water. Such a ceaseless flow threatened to dry up the water reservoirs, spreading drought and the· threat of pestilence.

In 1870 in response to a call for a more efficient system from the British Board of Trade, Thos. Crapper came up with his ingenious solution involving a float, a metal arm and a siphonic action to empty the bowl. (Look under your toilet tank lid). Crapper's Valveless Water­W aste Preventer passed its most critical public test in a demonstration at the Health Exhibition in 1884 - a superflush that completely cleared away ten large apples, a flat sponge, three wads of paper and four paper sheets stuck to the bowl with grease - don't try that on the modern version.

He went on to develop Crapper's Seal Action Automatic Flush where tipping the seat activated the flush mechanism. If you unexpectedly come across one of these you may be non-plussed for awhile on how to complete the job.

Crapper's Cantilever Toilet for prisons kept all the piping hidden and reduced the incidence of bashed heads in the toilet pipe weaponry war.

Crapper revolutionized the drainage system, clearing the air and doing much to improve the ecosystem of the day.

The moral of the story is: If it wasn't for the engineer, conditions would be a lot worse than they are, or

If your toilet leaks, Crapper did his job, now it's up to you.

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A WEAK MOMENT AND HEAVY IDEALS

Each day our society demands· more and more. The daily newspapers are filled with accounts of political upheaval in every corner of the world, of citizen action groups demanding more freedom for its segment of the general public requiring more of everything. This desire comes down to a pe:sonal level. Everyone lays out goals fo: which he or she strives. Specifically this !occurs to each engineer. It is odd to reflect on the changes in the career and professional objectives which the idealistic

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naive young graduate had when he em­barked on his chosen profession.

I graduated a few years' ago with a group of approximately 150 classmates. At that time we were all expressing great in­terest in lofty and esoteric terms. To do something because it was "good enough" was not even in our vocabulary let alone in our designs. To try and disguise the lowest priced interior by a fancy facade exterior hardly would be considered.

Today as I progress I find that en­gineers are compelled by their environ­ment to allow this idealism to demand that the design engineer bring a job in for the lowest capital cost, hence buildings, machines, and everything else are built to such close tolerances that the slightest variance creates almost Immediate break­down.

Whose fault is it? Is it the customers for not wanting to spend money today so that the long term is protected? Is it the engineers for not insisting upon greater purity in the design, after all isn't he the expert? It is foolish to try and place blame anywhere because in fact there is no one person, no one group, no one society which can be held responsible. It is the demand of everyone to get something for nothing. The adage you get what you pay for is forgotten and decisions are made based upon initial cost with no thought to the long term. Engineers are a product of this as is everyone, hence manufacturers are in a constant state of flux taking perfectly good designs and cheapening them to the detriment of the long term.

It is notable that the service industry is the fastest growing segment of our eco­nomy. What they are servicing is the low cost installation which limps through the warranty period and then cost.

It is a rambling reflection that has been recounted here hut it is too bad that some of the old time idealism couldn't be brought forth en masse within our group to spearhead a wave toward long term benefits versus short term cost.

What I want to see is a demand upon our profession to make better buldings, to make better machines, to make better roads . . . not cheaper. This demand can come from within or without, it's up to us.

-Debbie's Friend

MUSICAL NOTES

Councillor Allan G. Moffatt has been elected President of the Winnipeg Sym­phony Orchestra.

+ + + JOB OPPORTUNITY

L'INSTITUT CANADIEN DES IN­GENIEURS ET SES SOCIETES CON­STITUANTES YOUS OFFRE UNE CAR­RIERE INTERESSANTE ET REMUNE­RATRICE.

D' excellentes conditions de travail, be­nefices marginaux et plan de retraite sont disponibles au candidat qui saisira cette opportunite. Lieu de travail: Montreal.

The above is part of an advertisement sent to us by The Engineering Institute of Canada. If you can't read it, don't bother to apply. The one thing the full advertise­ment doesn't say is Qu'est que c'est le bucks?

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NEW AGREEMENT FORMS

AVAILABLE

The new Form of Agreement Between Client and ·Professional Engineer in Con­sulting Practice, prepared by the Consult­ing Engineers Committee, has been approv­ed by Council. This is a more comprehen­sive document that the previous agree­ment. Copies are available from the Asso­ciation office at a cost of 6 copies for $1.00.

+ + + A DIFFERENT KIND OF STRESS

The .Winnipeg Chamber of Commerce will be sponsoring an afternoon conference with Dr. Hans Selye, the world-renowned authority on psychological stress. Dr. Selye will be at the Holiday Inn on Thursday, October 17, 1974, at 2:00 p.m. The theme of his lecture will be "Stress and the Business Man." Registration forms are available by contacting the Winnipel/: Chamber of Commerce, 700-177 Lombard Avenue, RSB OW8, telephone 942-8275. The fee will be $10.00 for Chamber Mem­bers and $15.00 for non-members.

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PLAN NOW!

To attend the Annual General Meeting

·of your Association

FRIDAY, NOVEMBER 29, 197 4

SATURDAY, NOVEMBER 30, 1974

U. S. POLITICS

Fourteen months ago, in our June 1973 issue, we ran the following:

"The White House has not yet consulted us to solicit our opinion about the Water­gate affair but .like the Boy Scouts we aim to Be Prepared, so we have it all ready just in case we are asked. J?hn Kennedy said, some years ago, that things not only have to be right, they also have to appear to be right. They no longer appear to be right. Mr. Nixon's integrity has been a subject of much controversy lo;°~ before Watergate and based on U.S. opn~10n polls it has received a severe set-back smce Wa­tergate. This is Mr. Nixon's business and Mr. Nixon's problem and he should re­siill as President so that none of it sticks to that high office. Mr. Agnew should then take over as President. His first move as President should be to appoint Senator Percy as Vice-President and his second move as President should be to resign and let Senator Percy become President. It will be over three years .before the Ame­ricans can elect another President and every effort should be made in the mean­time to restore the confidence of the Ame-

' , ·: ,iican people and the peoples of the rest of the world in both the office of Presi­d~nt and the United States itself. Mr. Ni­xon, and/or his aides, have scuttled any hope of doing this job themselves. To this date Senator Percy has the reputation of a m'an of honor and integrity."

This was some monthi before Spiro Agnew resigned and also some months be­fore other important publications like Time and the Washington Post began calling for the resignation of Richard Nixon. The only reason we did not select Gerald Ford instead of Senator Percy was frankly be­cause at the time we had not heard of Mr. Ford. But we were on the right track.

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OH, TO BE A MINORITY If any one of us should exceed the

speed limit and be spotted by police radar, .or should jay walk across Portage Avenue iri full view of a Constable, the chances are very good we would get a ticket. Every day a Commissionaire patrols back and forth beside the Richardson building across from our offices and he doles out a ticket to any car parked there. It is a loading zone.

We have one disadvantage when it comes to the laws of the land. We are part of the silent majority.

The advantages enjoyed by minorities in this country are manifold. The post'll workers can decide to go on strike, the 1.rovernment can pass legislation ordering them back to work, and everyone stands idly\ by (including the government that passed the back to work legislation) while the strike continues. Another minority can

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decide that it rightfully owns a park in Kenora and it takes illegal possession .of the park. Days grow into weeks. Town authorities meet. The police view the law breaking. And at this writing nothing has been done but viewing.

The laws of this country should apply equally to all its citizens. Employment by the government should certainly not con­stitute an exemption. It has been said

that there is a law for the rich and a law for the poor. In these days, with the availability of legal aid, this may no longer be true. But there is very convincing evidence that there is a law for the silent majority, which is enforced, and a law for minorities or striking government em­ployees which is not enforced. The end results of the continuance of such a system are not pleasant to contemplate." -S.J.A.

Flood Experts

Left to right: W. R. Newton, W. H. Finnbogason, T. E. Weber and President George De Pauw prepared material on flood control which was presented to the local news

media at a press conference. ·

JACK HOOGSTRATEN, P. ENG.

Ja~k Hoogstraten, P. Eng. has retired as Dean of the Faculty of Engineering at the University of Manitoba, a position he has held since 1964. He started his academic career at the University of Manitoba as a Lecturer in 1936. In 1957 he resigned as Professor of Civil Engineering to become President of Nova Scotia Technical College in Halifax. In 1961 he returned to the University of Manitoba as Vice-President in charge of Development.

He was first elected to Council of this Association in 1952. He served as President in 19155 and again in 1956 and it was during

his term as President that the Association opened an office, hired a full-time Secretary and this publication was started. He served 12 years on our Council, longer than any­one else with the exception of C. S. Landon who was registrar for 34 years.

His service to the community has been varied. He served as a member of the Board of the Winnipeg General Hospital, the Winnipeg Art Gallery and the Royal Winnipeg Ballet.

We wish him a long, fruitful and re­warding retirement and we trust that he will still find time to sharn his considerable and varied talents with the community and this Association.

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IMPORTANT NOTICE

QUESTIONNAIRE . TO STUDY COMPENSATION

OF PROFESSIONAL ENGINEERS IN MANITOBA

BY-LAW 35 OF APEM STATES: "The schedule of professional charges

and of salaries shall be those adopted by the Association from time to

time."

SALARY .. SURVEYS ALONE ARE INADEQUATE-. SALARY LEVELS

DEFINED BY THE ASSOCIATION ARE REQUIRED.

BUT

They must relate to a credible base to measure end compare the com­

pensation of the Professional Engineer in his employment and in the

communiey.

WE NEED YOUR HELP TO DEFINE THE CRITERIA- It will be the basis

for publishing Recommended Compensation Levels now and into the

future.

This questionnaire applies to you the Salaried Engineer, to you the

Executive Engineer, and to you the Owner/ Associate Engineer.

Standards of engineering excellence, engineering ethics, and professional

compensation are interests cnmmon to ALL engineers.

When you receive your questionnaire, DON'T THROW IT OUT- FILL

IT OUT!

Compensation Study Committee APEM

PLEASE!