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The Good The Bad And The Ugly Debt Analysts Tim Sabelko Jason Gilbert Ryan Erickson Matt Bach Jeff Mathes.

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Page 1: The Good The Bad And The Ugly Debt Analysts Tim Sabelko Jason Gilbert Ryan Erickson Matt Bach Jeff Mathes.

The Good The Bad And

The Ugly

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Debt Analysts

Tim SabelkoJason GilbertRyan EricksonMatt BachJeff Mathes

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What is Debt?

The idea of owing money to someone else.

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Is Debt Good or Bad?

How many have a debt?

Consider good or bad?

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Concepts Of Debt

Good Debt

Bad Debt

Opportunity Costs

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Good Debt vs. Bad Debt

Good Debt Appreciates

Bad Debt Depreciates

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Good Debt

Taking Out A Loan To Start A Business

Taking Out A Loan For School

Taking Out A Loan To Buy A House

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Bad Debt

Holding A Balance On A Credit Card

Taking Out A Loan To Buy A New Car

Taking Out A Loan To Go On A Trip

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Opportunity Cost

Time Spent In School

Starting A Business

Employee Training

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Bad Debt: Credit Card Dynamics

Model for Paying Credit Card DebtAnalytic SolutionSimulationTotal Interest Paid

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Analytic Solution

General Formula

where:P = paymentR = Interest ratex(n) = balance at month n

PnRxnx )()1(

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PnRxnx

rR

Pnxrnx

pnrxnxnx

nxnx Pnrx

)()1(

1

)()1()1(

)()()1(

)()1()(

Compartmental Diagram

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Analytic Solution

)1()0(

)0(

])0([

)1()2(

)0()1(

)0()0(

)()1(

2

2

RPxR

PRPxR

PPRxR

PRxx

PRxx

xx

PnRxnx

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)1()0(

]1)1([)0(

)1()0(

)]1()0([

)2()3(

)1()0()2(

23

3

3

2

2

RRPxR

RRPxR

PRRPxR

PRPxRR

PRxx

RPxRx

Analytic Solution

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Analytic Solution

)1()0(

]1)1([)0(

)1()0(

)]1()0([

)3()4(

)1()0()3(

234

24

24

23

23

RRRPxR

RRRPxR

PRRRPxR

PRRPxRR

PRxx

RRPxRx

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Analytic Solution

Notice a pattern

)1...()0()(

)1()0()4(

)1()0()3(

)1()0()2(

)0()1(

21

234

23

2

RRRPxRnx

RRRPxRx

RRPxRx

RPxRx

PRxx

nnn

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)1...()0()( 21 RRRPxRnx nnn

Analytic Solution

This equation forms a Geometric Series

This series can be simplified

)1...( 21 RRRS nn

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Geometric Series

1,1

1

1)1(

1

1

)1...(1

...

1...

21

21

21

RR

RS

RRS

RSRS

SRRS

RRRRRS

RRRRRS

RRRS

n

n

n

n

nn

nn

nn

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Analytic Solution

Therefore our equation:

can be written as

1,1

1)0()(

)1...()0()( 21

RR

RPxRnx

RRRPxRnx

nn

nnn

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Simulation

We ran simulations to show how long it would take to pay off your credit card bill

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Simulation 1Balance = 3,000$ yearly interest = 18%monthly payment = 100$

Months Balance Interest Payment0 3,000.00$ -$ 100.00$ 1 2,945.00$ 45.00$ 100.00$ 2 2,889.18$ 44.18$ 100.00$ 3 2,832.51$ 43.34$ 100.00$ 4 2,775.00$ 42.49$ 100.00$ 5 2,716.63$ 41.63$ 100.00$

10 2,411.35$ 37.11$ 100.00$ 20 1,728.20$ 27.02$ 100.00$ 30 935.37$ 15.30$ 100.00$ 40 15.27$ 1.70$ 15.27$ 41 -$ -$ -$

total payment 4,015.27$ total interest 1,015.27$ effective interest rate 25.29%

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Simulation 2Balance 4,000$ yearly interest 18%monthly payment 100$

Months Balance Interest Payment0 4,000.00$ -$ 100.00$ 1 3,960.00$ 60.00$ 100.00$ 2 3,919.40$ 59.40$ 100.00$ 3 3,878.19$ 58.79$ 100.00$ 4 3,836.36$ 58.17$ 100.00$ 5 3,793.91$ 57.55$ 100.00$

10 3,571.89$ 54.26$ 100.00$ 20 3,075.05$ 46.92$ 100.00$ 30 2,489.45$ 38.40$ 100.00$ 40 1,829.28$ 28.51$ 100.00$ 50 1,052.69$ 17.03$ 100.00$ 60 151.41$ 3.72$ 100.00$ 61 53.69$ 2.27$ 53.69$ 62 -$ -$ -$

total payment 6,153.69$ total interest 2,153.69$ effective interest rate 35.00%

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Multiple Credit Cards

Optimizing Payments Within A Budget

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Two Typical Credit Cards

Card Balance Interest Rate

Funds

VISA 3000 18% X

Discover

5000 12% Y

Total Funds

300

How do we pay off both cards?

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The Equation

monthnext chargedinterest P

300F :where

budgetyour in funds available theF

12.r,18.r :where

cardsboth on ratesinterest ther,r

5000b,3000b :where

cardsboth on balances theb,b

21

21

21

21

)y()x(P brbr 2211

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Minimizing the Interest

Question:

What is the most effective way to pay of the two credit card balances?

Answer:

Pay the card with the highest interest rate.

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Two Typical Credit Cards

Card Balance Interest Rate

Funds

VISA b1 r1 X

Discover

b2 r2 Y

Total Funds

F

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Assumptions

Your credit card company will not charge late fees.

There will be no further charges made on your card.

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Minimum Interest Equations

xFy ))(()()(

2211xFxxf brbr

xFxxf rrbrrbr 2222111)(

)()()(221112Fxxf brbrrr

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Finding Minimum Interest

)()()(221112Fxxf brbrrr

x

)(xf

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Warning

Do not attempt this in the real world.

Your credit card company will charge you late fees in the real world.

Consolidate your credit cards with a home equity loan or low interest credit card.

Why?

Alternative:

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Good Debt

We will use is taking a loan out for an Applied Math degree.

Examples of Good Debt

Education

House

Land

Example:

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Assumptions

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After 108 months ( 5 years after you graduate)

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Till retirement at age of 65

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Your Math Degree Pays

•And 758,648 ahead of the associate degree grad.

•Well worth your 26,000 in loans.

•As you can see you come out 911,616 of the high school grad

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Conclusions

There is a right time to go into debt.

Just think before you act.

Do the Math.

And make you good investments.

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Summary

Good Debt Bad DebtOpportunity Costs

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References

Bureau of the Census Bureau of Labor StatisticsDr. DeckelmanBill Kryshak CPA