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[1/22/2011 10:06:06 PM] *** Ajay Balamurugadas added Mohinder Khosla ***

[1/22/2011 10:06:38 PM] Ajay Balamurugadas: Having Phil on board, we can talk about Software Testing

Communities

[1/22/2011 10:06:46 PM] Ajay Balamurugadas: STC maybe

[1/22/2011 10:07:05 PM] Ajay Balamurugadas: lets wait for 3 more mins & we decide on a topic.

[1/22/2011 10:07:06 PM] Ajay Balamurugadas: ok?

[1/22/2011 10:07:16 PM] phil kirkham: ok with me

[1/22/2011 10:08:01 PM] Mohinder Khosla: Pick an adhoc topic

[1/22/2011 10:08:47 PM] Mohinder Khosla: I want to know which are key testing skilla a tester should

have

[1/22/2011 10:08:58 PM] Ajay Balamurugadas: ok.

[1/22/2011 10:09:20 PM] Ajay Balamurugadas: Seems like we 3 are the ones to discuss.

[1/22/2011 10:09:40 PM] Ajay Balamurugadas: I am ok with tester skills

[1/22/2011 10:09:44 PM] Ajay Balamurugadas: Phil?

[1/22/2011 10:10:12 PM] phil kirkham: fine with me - who was asking about this on twitter ?

[1/22/2011 10:10:21 PM] phil kirkham: darren or albert ?

[1/22/2011 10:10:51 PM] Ajay Balamurugadas: I know, this was a recent conv somewhere. Mohinder,

remember?

[1/22/2011 10:11:35 PM] Mohinder Khosla: With Albert. Trying to separate out tester and testing skills

[1/22/2011 10:12:03 PM] Ajay Balamurugadas: ok, we will have a max limit of 45 mins from now.

[1/22/2011 10:12:20 PM] phil kirkham: start the timer :)

[1/22/2011 10:12:37 PM | Edited 10:12:50 PM] Ajay Balamurugadas: {Tester & testing} skills

[1/22/2011 10:13:10 PM] Ajay Balamurugadas: Is there a testing skill?

[1/22/2011 10:13:35 PM] phil kirkham: do we need to define/agree on what is meant by a skill ?

[1/22/2011 10:13:45 PM] phil kirkham: then refine this to testing ?

[1/22/2011 10:14:03 PM] Ajay Balamurugadas: makes sense for me. Skill is... Ah, wiki


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[1/22/2011 10:14:28 PM] phil kirkham: thats where I was going, what did we do before google and

wikipedia ?

[1/22/2011 10:14:44 PM] Mohinder Khosla: Skills that you have but do not require tools

[1/22/2011 10:14:48 PM] Ajay Balamurugadas: ok, I am not looking at wiki

[1/22/2011 10:15:19 PM] Mohinder Khosla: 1. Communication 2. Collaboration

[1/22/2011 10:15:39 PM] Ajay Balamurugadas: According to me - Skill is a way of doing things.

Something which defines how good/bad a person is at a task.

[1/22/2011 10:15:43 PM] Mohinder Khosla: Clear vision

[1/22/2011 10:16:14 PM] Mohinder Khosla: Approach is another one

[1/22/2011 10:16:14 PM] Ajay Balamurugadas: Example: Highly Skilled - A person does a particular job

well.

[1/22/2011 10:17:04 PM] Mohinder Khosla: Lest discuss the level of skills later. Stick to the list of skills a

tester should have to do his job apart from tolls

[1/22/2011 10:17:40 PM] Mohinder Khosla: Level you build with practice

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[1/22/2011 10:17:51 PM] Ajay Balamurugadas: oops

[1/22/2011 10:17:54 PM] Ajay Balamurugadas: what did I do

[1/22/2011 10:18:06 PM] Ajay Balamurugadas: are you guys seeing some system commands?

[1/22/2011 10:18:16 PM] phil kirkham: not me, just chat

[1/22/2011 10:18:34 PM] phil kirkham: hope you're not wiping your computer in the background

[1/22/2011 10:18:35 PM] Ajay Balamurugadas: I got this

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[1/22/2011 10:19:03 PM] Ajay Balamurugadas: let me recollect what I typed

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[1/22/2011 10:29:16 PM] Ajay Balamurugadas: ok, add /to some degree/ or /with a greater degree of

confidence/ at end

[1/22/2011 10:29:36 PM] Ajay Balamurugadas: Yes, so those are skills? @Mohinder

[1/22/2011 10:29:44 PM] Ajay Balamurugadas: or parts of skill

[1/22/2011 10:30:26 PM] Ajay Balamurugadas: I would say - Skill is subjective, you can't measure?

[1/22/2011 10:31:06 PM] Mohinder Khosla: Wind direction, ground conditions, weather all affect the

result and that is hard to master.Gamber may predict the winning by repeated gambling

[1/22/2011 10:31:24 PM] phil kirkham: @ajay - measure if the ball goes on the green or in the rough,

fairly easy to see who is skilled and who is not

[1/22/2011 10:32:07 PM] Ajay Balamurugadas: Can we take Football example. I am more comfortable at

football ;)

[1/22/2011 10:32:24 PM] Mohinder Khosla: Skills are quantifiable otherwise you won't be able to

predict how good someone is.There will be degree of inaccuracy though

[1/22/2011 10:32:36 PM] Ajay Balamurugadas: inaccuracy in measurement?

[1/22/2011 10:32:54 PM] Ajay Balamurugadas: 15 mins left

[1/22/2011 10:33:04 PM] tonybruceuk: A question was asked on Linkedin on skilled testers, I blogged

my answer: http://sqablogs.com/tonybruce/2463/%22Skilled%22+tester+-

+do+you+know+what+it+is%3F.html

[1/22/2011 10:33:12 PM] Ajay Balamurugadas: no 25

[1/22/2011 10:34:01 PM] phil kirkham: once again discussion of testing drifts into analogies.... :)

[1/22/2011 10:34:09 PM] Mohinder Khosla: We should start lising the key essential skills a tester must

have

[1/22/2011 10:34:21 PM] Ajay Balamurugadas: so @Phil, lets get back

[1/22/2011 10:34:51 PM] tonybruceuk: So are we saying that skill is measured by the result? Because

people get lucky, and there are various factors that'll affect the result that have nothing to do with skill

[1/22/2011 10:35:04 PM] Ajay Balamurugadas: I might fall in this trap of listing

[1/22/2011 10:35:25 PM] Mohinder Khosla: analogy is good so you can analyse which skills you should

have to carry out your job.Self analysis

[1/22/2011 10:35:36 PM] Ajay Balamurugadas: but I feel its ok. In the given situation (limited time) this

is the best we or I can do :)


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[1/22/2011 10:36:10 PM] Ajay Balamurugadas: * Meeting the mission - Important skill

[1/22/2011 10:36:22 PM] phil kirkham: @tony you have to be able to do it consistently. A lucky tester

might stumble upon a showstopper occasioanly, a skilled tester will do it consistently

[1/22/2011 10:36:36 PM] Mohinder Khosla: Clear answers are better than vague ideas

[1/22/2011 10:37:19 PM] Mohinder Khosla: Phil: Consistent performer

[1/22/2011 10:37:37 PM] Ajay Balamurugadas: ok.

[1/22/2011 10:37:49 PM] Mohinder Khosla: Good communicator

[1/22/2011 10:37:54 PM] Ajay Balamurugadas: What next, all on one track or we still in different trains?

[1/22/2011 10:38:00 PM] Mohinder Khosla: Good at liasion

[1/22/2011 10:38:11 PM] Mohinder Khosla: Good collaborator

[1/22/2011 10:38:22 PM] Mohinder Khosla: Good listener

[1/22/2011 10:38:44 PM] Ajay Balamurugadas: we can remove the 'good' part

[1/22/2011 10:38:45 PM] phil kirkham: @mohinder All these skills are relevant for most jobs. are we

after specific tester skills ?

[1/22/2011 10:38:46 PM] Mohinder Khosla: Accept criticism

[1/22/2011 10:38:56 PM] Ajay Balamurugadas: obviously we don't need bad listener

[1/22/2011 10:38:57 PM] tonybruceuk: OK, I think it's pretty hard to make a list of skills and so far that

could be a list for pretty much anything?

[1/22/2011 10:39:32 PM] Mohinder Khosla: @phil Essential skills for a tester does not matter whether

they apply to other professions

[1/22/2011 10:39:33 PM] phil kirkham: could we come up with one specific tester skill and how to

improve it ?

[1/22/2011 10:39:48 PM] Ajay Balamurugadas: Yes, Sounds good Phil

[1/22/2011 10:39:51 PM] Mohinder Khosla: @phil take a pick

[1/22/2011 10:39:59 PM] Ajay Balamurugadas: in the interest of time, we can pick up 3 skills only

[1/22/2011 10:40:07 PM] Ajay Balamurugadas: and describe & discuss

[1/22/2011 10:41:05 PM] Ajay Balamurugadas: Bug Hunter, Bug Investigator, Good Test Framer. Agree

that this might fail in many contexts though.


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[1/22/2011 10:41:44 PM] Ajay Balamurugadas: Ah, I too use Good :)

[1/22/2011 10:41:46 PM] Mohinder Khosla: I pick communication.Want to know where to get help from

within the organisation if it is identified as your weakness as a tester

[1/22/2011 10:42:11 PM] Ajay Balamurugadas: Phil/Tony

[1/22/2011 10:43:12 PM] phil kirkham: Bug Hunter - pick that as a skill and work out how someone

could become more skilled at it ( which would undoubtedly mean using several other skills )

[1/22/2011 10:43:22 PM] Mohinder Khosla: Looks Albert is online and may join the discussion

[1/22/2011 10:43:27 PM] *** Ajay Balamurugadas added shrinik ***

[1/22/2011 10:43:28 PM] *** Ajay Balamurugadas added Albert Gareev ***

[1/22/2011 10:43:52 PM] Mohinder Khosla: @Ajay reset the clock please

[1/22/2011 10:43:53 PM] Ajay Balamurugadas: Hello Shrini, Albert

[1/22/2011 10:43:56 PM] Ajay Balamurugadas: [Saturday, January 22, 2011 10:43 PM] phil kirkham:


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[1/22/2011 10:51:28 PM] phil kirkham: @shrinik Which is why Weekend Testing is such a great concept

:)

[1/22/2011 10:51:33 PM] tonybruceuk: Practice and experience, being able to identify areas that are

likely to hold the bugs, this may come from past experience, may come from communication with the

rest of the team, may come from domain knowledge, may come from environment knowledge,etc.

[1/22/2011 10:51:34 PM] Ajay Balamurugadas: @Mohinder: i think - the charter is slighty different. phil

correct me if I am wrong. The charter is 'How to improve bug hunting skill'

[1/22/2011 10:51:35 PM] Albert Gareev: To me, bug hunting per se is not always a mission. Rather

problems get identified by a skilled tester while s/he is exploring* an application.

[1/22/2011 10:52:26 PM] Albert Gareev: Exploring - trial-and-error, learning, investigation

[1/22/2011 10:52:52 PM] phil kirkham: @Albert - but why would you be exploring an application ?

[1/22/2011 10:53:23 PM] phil kirkham: isnt your charter to explore an app and find problems ?

[1/22/2011 10:54:06 PM] tonybruceuk: I'm going to bow out of the chat, got a small headache which is

budding into a nice one by look at the screen, bye all, have a good weekend!

[1/22/2011 10:54:19 PM] shrinik: one sign of excellent bug hunting skills is - it is inexhaustiable

[1/22/2011 10:54:39 PM] Mohinder Khosla: If a child start testing whether water is hot or cold then he is

bound to burn his fingers.So you need to prepare yourself with some dos and don't before you explore

[1/22/2011 10:55:18 PM] Mohinder Khosla: bye Tony

[1/22/2011 10:55:29 PM] Ajay Balamurugadas: More test ideas = more chances of finding bugs?

[1/22/2011 10:55:35 PM] Albert Gareev: [Saturday, January 22, 2011 10:49 PM] phil kirkham:


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[1/22/2011 11:01:28 PM] Mohinder Khosla: @If a tester is not getting better because he does not do

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[1/22/2011 11:09:12 PM] Albert Gareev: @Phil, you don't say :) and I'm gonna be tweeting about testing

while fishing

[1/22/2011 11:09:28 PM] Ajay Balamurugadas: do you need a coach to practice? or to help you with

retrospection?

[1/22/2011 11:09:32 PM] phil kirkham: @Albert LOL

[1/22/2011 11:09:47 PM] shrinik: coach will be good to have

[1/22/2011 11:10:10 PM] Albert Gareev: @Ajay - coach helps you to discover new dimensions

[1/22/2011 11:10:48 PM] Mohinder Khosla: There is also a concept of retro of retro if you are not

familiar. Once you identified your failings then work on it and do another retro to verify and keep on

going till you get it ight.Retro has no ending

[1/22/2011 11:10:52 PM] Ajay Balamurugadas: Having a coach is to make use of her experience which is

more than my experience

[1/22/2011 11:11:02 PM] shrinik: I am finding it challenging to frame what practice testers should do...

[1/22/2011 11:11:12 PM] Albert Gareev: But sometimes it could be anyone. Your colleague, your

spouse.. just talk with them on the subject.

[1/22/2011 11:11:30 PM] phil kirkham: Has anyone here had a testing coach/mentor ? I used the online

community as my coach...

[1/22/2011 11:12:03 PM] shrinik: Michael, James have been my coaches

[1/22/2011 11:12:11 PM] Albert Gareev: Another trick I found helpful: WRITE about it (it helps already)

but you can also leave it for a while (day, week), and re-read. Might give you an insight!

[1/22/2011 11:12:17 PM] Mohinder Khosla: @phil we are your coach and it works the other way as well

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[1/22/2011 11:12:19 PM] shrinik: they oriented me to a new thinking in testing

[1/22/2011 11:12:48 PM] phil kirkham: @shrinik Lucky you - though that 'luck' was earned through your

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[1/22/2011 11:21:03 PM] Albert Gareev: OK, I feel we deviated from the original topic.

[1/22/2011 11:21:06 PM] Ajay Balamurugadas: I am my own coach - no one has heard or said that?

[1/22/2011 11:21:07 PM] shrinik: when you become self critical - you are coaching yourself

[1/22/2011 11:21:15 PM] Albert Gareev: Testing Skills vs. Testers' Skills

[1/22/2011 11:21:30 PM | Edited 11:21:53 PM] Ajay Balamurugadas: Sorry Albert :) bug hunting was the

topic.

[1/22/2011 11:21:42 PM] shrinik: that lead to practice of testing

[1/22/2011 11:21:43 PM] Ajay Balamurugadas: how to improve bug hunting skills.

[1/22/2011 11:21:57 PM] Albert Gareev: Developing them with coach - yes. But what is *them* ?

[1/22/2011 11:22:02 PM] Ajay Balamurugadas: and practice led to coaches

[1/22/2011 11:22:06 PM] Mohinder Khosla: @Ajay If you presenting, doing a practice infront of a mirror

is not sufficient you need a test run infront of real audiences.So you call your friends around buy them

lunch and here you go

[1/22/2011 11:22:47 PM] shrinik: Mohinder --- public speaking and testing differ in that way

[1/22/2011 11:23:06 PM] Ajay Balamurugadas: @Albert Them = Ability to get to the stage where finding

good bugs becomes second nature.

[1/22/2011 11:23:14 PM] Albert Gareev: [Saturday, January 22, 2011 11:22 PM] Mohinder Khosla:


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[1/22/2011 11:30:48 PM] shrinik: Confirmatino bias - #1 Enemy of good testing

[1/22/2011 11:31:42 PM] Mohinder Khosla: @Albert Testers ahve a tool kit and skills to use them and

they decide which tools are needed fro the job and that is another skill

[1/22/2011 11:32:09 PM] shrinik: Building ones own set of tools is also a tester skill

[1/22/2011 11:32:50 PM] shrinik: asking "what is on my work table? what are my tools? what new tools

have I added recently? what I need more?

[1/22/2011 11:33:10 PM] Ajay Balamurugadas: Meeting the mission is a skill?

[1/22/2011 11:33:28 PM] shrinik: meeting the mission is a act of testing

[1/22/2011 11:33:32 PM] shrinik: not a skill

[1/22/2011 11:33:44 PM] Ajay Balamurugadas: Being aware of mission?

[1/22/2011 11:33:49 PM] Albert Gareev: #TestingSkill (Objective Thinking? need a good name for that)

being able to think without being affected by the context (i.e. environment, fashion, other people)

"Being tester means you don't have to agree with everybody" - Harry Robinson

[1/22/2011 11:34:33 PM] shrinik: being aware of mission - too operational (of testing)

[1/22/2011 11:34:54 PM] Ajay Balamurugadas: I might be skilled but I don't meet mission

[1/22/2011 11:35:01 PM] Ajay Balamurugadas: what;s that?

[1/22/2011 11:35:33 PM] shrinik: not meeting mission might have lot to do with things other than skill

[1/22/2011 11:36:00 PM] Ajay Balamurugadas: I know there are lot of factors like context changed,

mission changed

[1/22/2011 11:36:03 PM] shrinik: say -- it was just a tough problem or you just need more time

[1/22/2011 11:36:47 PM] shrinik: Ajay - we need to think at a level higher than mission, charter etc

when it comes to skills

[1/22/2011 11:37:34 PM] Ajay Balamurugadas: What is a tester who doesn't meet a misison? ok,.

[1/22/2011 11:37:35 PM] shrinik: at the level of critical thiking, speed of response, diversity of ideas

[1/22/2011 11:37:47 PM] Ajay Balamurugadas: ok

[1/22/2011 11:37:49 PM | Edited 11:37:53 PM] Albert Gareev: I think, we started confusing testers' skills

with testing skills.. again

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[1/22/2011 11:38:26 PM] Albert Gareev: Hi, Michel!

[1/22/2011 11:38:42 PM] shrinik: I think mixing tester skill and testing skill after some point of time

becomes invitable

[1/22/2011 11:38:43 PM] Michel Kraaij: Hi all

[1/22/2011 11:39:46 PM] Ajay Balamurugadas: 21mins left.

[1/22/2011 11:40:06 PM] Mohinder Khosla: I was reading an article on systems thinking from Esther

Dermy and she describes:

[1/22/2011 11:40:19 PM] Albert Gareev: @Shrinik but it masks the core skills that make you good tester.

Or - if you don't know what are they - how could you efficiently teach someone those skills?

[1/22/2011 11:40:27 PM] Mohinder Khosla: You probably have a system problem if:

You have tried repeatedly to solve a problem and it keeps coming back

You replace people and the overall behavior doesnt change

Multiple factors interact to produce the result.

[1/22/2011 11:41:58 PM] Mohinder Khosla: Testers need to keep looking for answers what skills are

required for which job and build on his strengths

[1/22/2011 11:42:20 PM] Albert Gareev: JB/MB say that with a context-driven heuristic based approach

we can test anything. Ergo, it's not only software bug hunting skills.

[1/22/2011 11:42:23 PM] shrinik: To me a tester skill or a testing skil l is some essential element of being

a tester - something that you either have or learn and improve by practice

[1/22/2011 11:43:03 PM | Edited 11:43:12 PM] Ajay Balamurugadas: Ok, in EuroSTAR Hot Questions

Panel, Michael Bolton said - We must realize that there is no single tester skill.

[1/22/2011 11:43:08 PM] shrinik: critical thinking is an essential tester (or testing) skill

[1/22/2011 11:43:16 PM] Albert Gareev: OK, maybe we should try with a simpler model? For example,

driving skills vs. drivers' skills

[1/22/2011 11:43:29 PM] shrinik: systems thinking (thinking holistically) is another tester skill

[1/22/2011 11:43:55 PM] Mohinder Khosla: @Albert It is very difficult to separate testers skill from

testing skills.There is going to be an overlap

[1/22/2011 11:44:01 PM | Edited 11:44:15 PM] Michel Kraaij: What was his motivation for saying that,

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[1/22/2011 11:44:26 PM] shrinik: Driver skills - can drive in rain, night, in heavy traffic at reasonable

speed with making accidents

[1/22/2011 11:45:12 PM] shrinik: Driver skill - can drive long, drive hills, hairpin bends, drive different

types of vehicles

[1/22/2011 11:45:30 PM] phil kirkham: back the analogies - fishing skills - can fish lakes, seas, rivers..

[1/22/2011 11:45:31 PM] Albert Gareev: @Shrinik let's begin with "can drive"

[1/22/2011 11:45:37 PM] Ajay Balamurugadas: The question was: What is the most important skill of a

tester?

[1/22/2011 11:46:18 PM] Albert Gareev: Oops, I see it in a different perspective :)

[1/22/2011 11:46:19 PM] shrinik: @Ajay I think that was a "wrong" question as it assumed that there is

one -universal skill

[1/22/2011 11:46:20 PM] Michel Kraaij: okay, so he responded in there being "just one skill". Did he

gave any extra examples?

[1/22/2011 11:46:36 PM] Ajay Balamurugadas: Yes @Shrini.

[1/22/2011 11:47:09 PM] Albert Gareev: This is why I wanted "versus". To define what it is we need to

know what it's not

[1/22/2011 11:47:17 PM] Ajay Balamurugadas: Oh, yes: The most important skill of a tester is to realize

that there is no one important skill. His words echoed here now

[1/22/2011 11:47:17 PM] Michel Kraaij: There might be skills that every tester has, l ike us your brain,

and think.

[1/22/2011 11:47:21 PM] shrinik: Like teaching, parenting, politics - testing requires a diverse set of skills

[1/22/2011 11:48:02 PM] Ajay Balamurugadas: 13 mins more.

[1/22/2011 11:48:17 PM] Mohinder Khosla: @shrinik Testing is multi disciplinary

[1/22/2011 11:48:30 PM] shrinik: @mohinder --- yes it is

[1/22/2011 11:48:44 PM] Albert Gareev: Example. Driving a boat - fisherman's skill. But it's not a fishingskill

[1/22/2011 11:49:25 PM] Michel Kraaij: Albert, not for a lonely fisherman, on a pond.... but what if

you're a whaler?

[1/22/2011 11:49:31 PM] Mohinder Khosla: Testing mobile, embedded devices etc require different

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[1/22/2011 11:49:47 PM] shrinik: driving boat is a secondary fishing skill

[1/22/2011 11:49:58 PM] shrinik: for a fisherman

[1/22/2011 11:50:11 PM] Albert Gareev: @Michel. Let's define fishing as "angling fishing".

[1/22/2011 11:50:22 PM] Michel Kraaij: Ah, extra context ;)

[1/22/2011 11:50:31 PM] Albert Gareev: [Saturday, January 22, 2011 11:49 PM] Mohinder Khosla:


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[1/22/2011 11:54:54 PM] Mohinder Khosla: Testers know their territory so does fishermaen

[1/22/2011 11:54:58 PM] Michel Kraaij: @Albert, i agree.

[1/22/2011 11:55:03 PM] shrinik: OK ... let us there are primary testing skills and secondary ones

[1/22/2011 11:55:43 PM] Ajay Balamurugadas: Friends, I have some work. I am leaving now. Please

don't kick me out from this chat. Thanks - Ajay

[1/22/2011 11:56:00 PM] Michel Kraaij: Have fun, Ajay!

[1/22/2011 11:56:14 PM] Albert Gareev: [Saturday, January 22, 2011 11:54 PM] shrinik:


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[1/22/2011 11:58:53 PM] shrinik: thnks everyone

[1/22/2011 11:59:00 PM] shrinik: It was a good discussion

[1/22/2011 11:59:05 PM] Michel Kraaij: Short for me, but still fun :)

[1/22/2011 11:59:12 PM] shrinik: I am going off too

[1/22/2011 11:59:14 PM] Mohinder Khosla: @shrinikThanks for joining

[1/22/2011 11:59:19 PM] Michel Kraaij: Lets continue this some other time...

[1/22/2011 11:59:24 PM] shrinik: sure ...

[1/22/2011 11:59:29 PM] Albert Gareev: I think, we need another session, but first agree on the

approach

[1/22/2011 11:59:30 PM] balakameshsista: Sorry didnt had chance to aprticiapte, but looking thru log it

was good

[1/22/2011 11:59:45 PM] balakameshsista: thanks everyone

[1/22/2011 11:59:51 PM] Mohinder Khosla: We are not done but taking a break would be a good idea

[1/22/2011 11:59:57 PM] Michel Kraaij: :)

[1/23/2011 12:00:01 AM] Albert Gareev: [Saturday, January 22, 2011 11:54 PM] Albert Gareev:

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