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Cliff's List Website

http://www.cliffslist.com/

Please go to the website for a full list of the rules, disclaimers,suggested

links and referrals to other seduction sites and explanations ofwhat this list

is all about. Seminar, workshop & conference schedules are on the

website also,

as is a glossary of terms that may be used here that you may beunfamiliar with.


Swinggcat:

How the Game is Really Played: SWINGGCAT on Qualifying &Challenging:

Guys, I have been in this community for three years and have hadsome great

success. But a couple of months ago I started doing something verydifferent.

Since then, my success has soared. The influence of guys like RJ,Rick, Mystery,

Style, Nathan, Juggler, and Rio has definitely pushed me in theright direction.

And even though I still use bits and pieces of what I have learnedfrom other

systems, I am now doing something very different. I feel that Ihave really come

into my own as a PUA. That is to say, I no longer do pure DYD, SS,or MM; I just

do swinggcat.

Moving Forward:

Qualifying & Challenging them:

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What I am going to suggest is going to sound a bit odd to you butit absolutely

works. And what I am going to suggest is designed for really hotadventurous

girls--that's what I screen for. This shit really works for me:meaning that

when I go to bars lately I am at the very least consistently makingout with

girls. And often times, getting them to buy into the frame of doinga threesome

with me.

Almost, as soon as I start talking to a chick, I begin qualifying

her. Forexample, I might say to them: you seem like you might beadventurous, are you?

If they say yes (which they often times do, and if they don't, thenI am not

interested in them anyways), then I say:

"Good because if you weren't I was going to walk away because I amonly friends

with adventurous people...And even though you might be adventurous,I don't know

if this relationship is going to work out because I am not sure youcan handle

me."

Then I will do the same thing about spontaneity.

Are you spontaneous? Good, then we can hang out. But I don't knowhow

spontaneous you are yet, so I can't take you to any of my coolplaces yet.

Then I will ask them about the craziest place they ever had sex(now some of you

are thinking: how can he do this so early on in the conversation?The reason I

"can" is that I have already gotten them to commit to beingadventurous and


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spontaneous, so, through the principle of commitment andconsistency, they have

to be consistent with what they have committed to. If they actprudish, then

they will come across as if they are lying about being adventurousand

spontaneous). Then they will usually ask me: where craziest place Iever had sex

was. Then I go into a variant of Style's "fucked my girlfriend at asex show in

a foreign country" story.

Then I continue qualifying them by telling them that I am onlyfriends with

girls who are into girls too (this sets the stage for threesomeactivities). If

they say, "no", then I tell them that we could never be friendsbecause she

cannot hang with my level of adventure (it is funny to see how manygirls become

bi after this).

Then I talk about kissing. Then I say to them: on a scale of 1-10

how good of a

kisser are you. They usually will say a ten (hot chicks want tosustain their

value as a hot chick). Then I kiss them. Why does this work? Thisworks because

I am challenging three things she has committed to being true aboutwho she is:

How adventurous she is, how spontaneous she is, and how good of akisser she is.

Some of you might not be getting this yet, so let I will go alittle more in

depth on what I am up to.

Making myself appear vulnerable:

Not only does qualifying and challenging work, it dispels anyplayer vibe they

had about me because I am making myself vulnerable. In other words,I am telling

the chick that I am a sucker for adventurous, spontaneous bi girls— I am telling


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them how to seduce me. But here's the catch: as soon as she doesnot play by my

rules, I close up. So, I am a vulnerable guy as long as she isplaying by my

rules. As soon as she isn't, I become cold and aloof. Or evenworse, I next her.

Push-pull theory:

Another distinction we can make when Qualifying & Challenging ispushing and

pulling. I think all good Qualifying & Challenging uses pushing andpulling.

First off, what do I mean by pushing and pulling?

To push is to push the girl away from you

To pull is to pull the girl into you.

So, for example, when I say, "You seem like you might beadventurous" I am

pulling her in. And when I say, "Are you? Because I am only friends

with

adventurous people" I am pushing her away. And when I say, "Good,then we can be

friends" I am pulling her in. And when I say, "But when we hang outI am not

going to take you to any of my cool places yet, because I do notknow how

adventurous you really are" I am pushing her away.

In other words, when she meets my qualifications I pull her in. Andthen I push

her away with higher qualifications.

EVing (Eliciting Values):

A couple years ago I use to do that a lot. But now I know that thisis really

just a sophisticated form of supplication. I mean it is coming fromthe wrong

frame: you are giving her the opportunity to screen you.

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Now I do just the opposite: I tell them what I want and if they saythey possess

my values then I challenge the hell out of them to see if they arebeing honest

with me.

Reframing shit tests into challenges:

When I say, "shit test" I mean anything that interferes with or isnot conducive

with either the frame I have set or the intended direction I amtaking the

interaction in. Put in other words, anytime she attempts to reset,interrupt, or

supersede the frame I have set in a negative way, I am being shit

tested.So, when a girl throws shit tests at us—such as, 'do you do this onall the

ladies' and 'how old are you?'—how do we reframe them intochallenges?

One thing to keep in mind is that you never want to respond to ashit test

directly. Now, that is not to say, you want be the sort of guy thatnever

addresses a woman's question in direct way. What I am saying isthat you never

want to address a shit test at the same logical level or within theshit test's

frame (Remember: a 'shit test' is an attempt to negatively changethe frame we

are trying to set). Why? Because this reinforces and acknowledgestheir frame.

So how do we handle shit tests? What I like to do is reframe themeaning of

their shit tests. When they shit test me, I turn it around byaccusing them of

subscribing to values or having attributes that are undesirable.Then I

challenge them to refute my accusation. This works fucking great.

Let me give you two examples of this from real life (as you willread in the

field reports bellow, these examples are situations that have

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Suppose that a guy approaches a confident hot girl who is up for achallenge and

does not like rejection. Now suppose the guy runs some routines onher. Suppose

the girl then says to him, "Nice stuff: how many other girls haveyou done this

to?" An AFC would try to address the question within the same frameor at the

same logical level —huge mistake! Instead, say something like this:

"No, I only do this on girls who seem adventurous because I am onlyfriends with

adventurous people. And you seemed adventurous. But maybe you'renot, maybe I

was wrong about you. If that is the case, then this relationshipwill never work

out."

Now often times they will then tell me how adventurous they are.Now who is

qualifying who? Who is controlling the frame?

Lets look at one more example. This is another one that hashappened to me in

real life.

There is a certain way girls say, "How old are you?" that meansthey are about

to shit test you (whether it be that you are supposedly too youngor too old for

them).

So I tell them how old I am and then ask them. Then I say, "well,you are like

ninety years old in girl years…so, this relationship will neverwork out, your

just too old for me. And woman like yourself probably couldn't keepup with a

young stallion like sexy me." (If they are really hot I will add,"you remind

me of my grandmother who is one adventurous old hag, so, she iscool…are you

adventurous? Good, then you have permission to hang out with her. Ithink the

two of you are going to be the best of friends…Aw, you are socute.")


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I have never gotten a bad reaction from this.

This works on so many levels. One is that when you say, "you aretoo old for me"

you are now qualifying them, not the other way around. Anotherthing you are

doing is taking their stupid judgmental chick logic and applying itback to them

in an even more absurd humorous way—very powerful indeed.

Screening chicks without slamming the door:

The goal is to screen out bad behaviors, not them. You always wantto leave

enough room for them to change their behavior (we have to becareful here

because the goal is still to set the frame that you are screeningthem and that

anything that falls short of your standards is not tolerated).

LETS LOOK AT AN EXAMPLE:

WHAT ARE MY VALUES?

ADVENTUROUS

SPONTANEOUS

STRONG

UP FOR A CHALLENGE

BISEXUAL

GOOD WIT (SARCASM)

SOPHISTICATION

OPTIMIST

NOT AFRAID TO TAKE CHANCES

STILL HAS A LITTLE GIRL QUALITY ABOUT HER

WHAT ARE MY ANTI VALUES:

DRAMA

NEEDINESS

INDECISIVENESS

FLAKINESS


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So, anytime a girl displays one of my values, she is tentativelyqualified. And

anytime she either fails to display or displays one of my anti-values, she is

temporarily disqualified. But I almost never slam the door on themcompletely.

If we make plans to do something crazy and she chickens out (I likethis better

than flake because it implies a very different message) I will tellher

something like this:

"You know, I thought you were a cool girl who was adventurous anddidn't flake.

But maybe I misjudged you, maybe I was wrong about you, etc., etc."

All righty then…We get the general idea: Bust on them, but alwaysleave enough

room for them to improve.

So if you are talking to some chick, and she does something that isone of your

AVs(anti-values), say:

"I don't think this relationship is going to work out because youare like this

and I like that."

And then feel free to walk away. However, if later in the night shedoes

something to prove to you that she does not have one of your anti-values (or

that she has one of your values that you thought she did not have)

then by allmeans, do not slam the door in her face.

This is how the game is played boys.

Below I have provided three field reports as examples of how thisis done.

Consider the above to be a Cliff Notes version of the field reportsI have

provided below.

Wednesday night December 18:


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A buddy and me decide to go out and do some serious sarging . We meetat a bar at

around ten. We blow up a couple of sets and then take off. Next, wedecide to go

to the Standard Lounge (this is a very trendy, difficult to getinto Hollywood

lounge). Surprisingly, they let us right in. So we walk inside andit is fucking

unbelievable: Hef is there with all his girlfriends and there aremore 10s per

square inch than any club or lounge I have been to in a long time.My wing and I

jump into a great set with a solid nine and she is really diggingme. Her friend

tries to drag her away from me, but she doesn't want to leave me— huge IOI . Did I

number close her? No, I am a big wuss. So after this, I am in a badmood.

Meanwhile, my buddy is chatting up this very cute girl withpigtails (we will

call her HBpigtails). I can tell by this girl's body language » thatshe is really

playful and adventurous. So, I tell my friend that it is so on andthat he

should kiss her. He tries to kiss her, she kisses him back but thenpulls away

after a few seconds. So, I jump in by spouting, "Hey woman, youbetter get your

hands off my man." "Are you two together?" she replies. "Yes" Isay. The three

of us start dancing: me in the front, my buddy from behind, and hersandwiched

in the middle. After dancing for a while, I whisper in her ear: Youseem like

fun, do you cook and clean? "Yes…" she says. And I say, "what dishdo you cook

the best?" She names some Indian dish (BTW, she is a white girl,not Indian). I

tell her that I love Indian food and that since she seems cool shehas

permission to come over one evening and cook my boyfriend and I

Indian food, but

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that she shouldn't get any funny ideas: I mean just because she isa good cook

does not mean we are going to turn straight for her or anything.[note: she

knows we are not really gay, considering we had been fondling herwhile

dancing]. She laughs. Then I tell her that she might be a goodcandidate for the

third wheel in our relationship…but to not hold her breath becausewe have a lot

of other people lined up for the job. [note: I am doing seductiverole playing

(or what Kooper calls "setting cocky funny frames"). This sets acontext for me

to embed some pretty strong frames. Also, since it is "roleplaying" and not

real, it makes it okay to be sexual. Remember: all women want to besexual, but

due to social conditioning, they often times need an excuse. Role-playing is a

useful way to evoke a chick's sexuality] More giggles. Then I say,"One thing I

don't tolerate is drama, and you seem like you might be dramahoney, so, I am

not sure you are going to make the cut". She says, "I am not drama.People who

are 'drama' are fake and I am real". I continue her thought bysaying, "and

people who are real can really live life: they live in the momentand are

spontaneous". She agrees. So, I say to her in an enthusiasticlittle boy tone:

Hey, what do you say we get out of here, and go to a gay bardancing (Remember:

I am still maintaining the role playing theme "my boyfriend and Iare looking

for a third wheel in our relationship"). She is a little hesitantbut likes the

idea. She says that she has to tell her friends she is leavingbefore she leaves

with us [one thing I should mention: at this point I had already

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permission from my wing to hit on this girl. The plan was to takeher back to a

place and fuck her].

So we find one of her friends and he asks us how we know eachother. I tell him

that we are actually brother and sister. Then I start fondling herand telling

him that the relationship is a bit incestuous. She plays along andputs her hand

on my ass (notice that I am using another seduction role playingtheme to get

physical with her). She says she has to use the bathroom but wantsto make sure

we don't leave without her. So she leaves her purse with me. Whenshe comes back

she tells me that she wants to take her own car and follow us tothe club. So I

ask her where she is parked. After she tells me, I tell her thather car is

parked closer than my friend's car and that it would make sense forher to drive

us to his car. She agrees, we jump in her car, I take shotgun ofcourse, and off

we go to my friend's car.

When we get to the area where my friend parked his car, we don'tsee his car. So

he tells us that he is going to go look for it. So, he hops out ofher car to go

look for his car. So I begin to escalate the situation. We startmaking out. She

is really into it and now I know it so on.

My friend comes back to inform us that his car has been towed. Nowhe is about

to suggest that she take us to my car so him and I can go to thetowing place.

But before he can say this, I say, "Fuck: him and I came in thesame car." She

asks us what we want to do. I tell her that the tow place is opentwenty-four

hours, and we shouldn't let this be a damper on our evening. We

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club and have a great time (now I am really BSing her because thereis no club

open at this time). My friend does not realize this and insists onus taking him

to his car. So we take him to the tow place, drop him off and offwe go to the

supposed club. Now when we get to the club, it is closed—what ashocker! She

looks really disappointed. Thus, I suggest we go back to my placefor some

drinking. She's down.

On the way to my house I am joking with her. Then I share my valueswith her.

She acquiesces to them all. I tell her: honey, you lucked outbecause if you

were missing even one of those things I was going to break up withyou (said

very playfully, of course). She playfully punches me and says,"fucker"(I love

when chicks do this because it means: you win and they hate ya butthey love

ya). We stop at a gas station and I tell her that I am thirsty, so,she buys me

bottled water. Then I call Style on her cell. Style talks to herand tells me

says she sounds bubbly. When we get to my house, I show her aroundand then we

start play fighting, in which she proceeds to get on top of me. Westart making

out and then I do the one hand bra snap. She says, " have you donethis to like

a hundred women or something?" I say, " nope, I have only done thisto a

thousand."( Guys, when girl accuse you of player behavior, don'tsquirm. Instead

escalate it). We mess around a little more and then I suggest thatwe go skinny

dipping in my Jacuzzi (I have great a Jacuzzi that is on top ofthis deck that

overlooks the whole valley). However, when we go up to the Jacuzzi,there is no

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some bullshit about the stars representing certain Greek gods. Sheloves it. We

start making out again. And then she starts giving me head. But itis so fucking

cold that I suggest we go inside (Also this is a take-away ofsorts).

We go inside and she goes to use the bathroom. She is gone for areally long

time (note: she is probably looking through my shit: typical chickbehavior).

When she comes back I say, "Your not some Al-Qaeda member trying toplant a bomb

in my house, are you?" "Asshole" she says, "I would have fuckedyou." (guys,

this is a shit test). So I say, "what makes you think I want tosleep with you

yet?" she says, "what?!" and say, "I think you need to change thebattery on

your miracle ear." This gets big laughs. We watch TV for a while.Then out of

nowhere I turn off the TV. She asks: "why are you turning off theTV?" "Well" I

say, " because I am going to bed." Next she follows me into thebedroom and we

go to bed. Yea right! But seriously guys: for the first hour Idon't touch.

During this hour she is trying to touch me—trying to get me turnedon—and I am

just ignoring her. Thus she says, "What's wrong?" So I tell her:!it's not you,

it's me; I'm tired. Well, finally I do give in. I start by cuddlingand smelling

her. She starts getting really worked up. I start doing other typesof foreplay

but refrain from fucking her at this moment. I continue this untilshe is

begging me to put it inside her—so elapsed foreplay time is aboutforty-five

minutes. So, then I start fucking her really hard for a long time— sex was really

good. In the morning I have her take me back to my car, which was

still on

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Saturday December 20th:

Some friends of mine invite me to go to Las Palmas—a trendy LAnightclub. I

decide to meet them at the club. I show up to the club solo. SinceI am there

after ten, the line to get in is horrendous. And to make mattersworse, they are

only letting girls in. At this point I am seriously thinking aboutleaving—I

have no patience for bullshit. Then one of the club promoters thatI know shows

up and tells the bouncer to let me in. The bouncer says he will letme inside in

just one second. But he doesn't—fucking bastard. So, I startflirting with the

woman in charge of the guest list. I tell her that I am solo andall of my

friends are inside and that the promoter told the bouncer to let mein, but he

didn't. She gives the bouncer shit for this and he lets me in.

Next, I find my friends on the patio—one of whom looks like anAlbino Gary

Coleman (BTW, he is the genesis of the albino Gary Coleman pick upline). They

are with two girls—both very hot indeed. But one of the girls dranktoo much and

is sick, so, the girls decide to go home. My friends are pissedbecause they

spent a lot of money on these girls. So, I suggest we go pick upnew girls.

Next, one of my friends hits the dance floor; while the Albino GaryColeman guy

and I hit the patio. I start opening sets—and I am really on fire.During one of

my sets, my target cuts me off to talk to her friend. So I punishher by talking

to the girl behind her (This ends up being my new target).

I notice she has a ring on her middle finger. So, I open with thering routine.

I say to her, " Why do you wear your ring on that finger? She says,

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know; it just fits, why?" So I tell her that according to theGreeks she is

making a psychological statement about herself. She asks me what itmeans. So, I

take her hand and start rubbing her middle finger, look at herhand, then at

her, and then I cut her off by telling her, "hold on: I need totalk to my

friend for a second". While I am talking to my friend she iswaiting there like

a little eager puppy dog. Still holding onto her hand I turn backto her and

say, "where were we?" She says, " you were telling me that wearinga ring on

this finger means something about me." "That's right" I say, "Wellthe Greeks

believed that the middle finger was the ring of Dionysus. AndDionysus was the

God of chaos. They also believed that it was the ring of Apollo whowas the God

of order. So, the middle finger means that you are the sort ofperson that when

something comes along that you really want your emotions take overyou but

before you go for it, you have to find all your own reasons." Sheseems not to

buy it at first. So, I say to her, "if this isn't true about you,then, honey,

you need to put it on another finger". She says, " no, no…actuallyyour dead on:

I am very much so that way". She asks me about another finger thatshe has a

ring on and I tell her that the Greeks believed that wearing a ringon that

finger is a sign of bisexuality. And I ask her if she likes guys orgirls more.

She admits to liking girls but says that she likes men more. And Isay,

"exactly, you like girls but every once in a while you need somedeep

dicking"(ballsy yes, but I have never been slapped from saying

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and agrees. Then I turn my back on her and talk to my friend forjust long

enough, but not so long that she gets up and walks away. When Iturn back around

her arms are crossed. I say to her, "Your arms are crossed, are youcold." She

says, "No" and then proceeds to uncross her arms. I say, "muchbetter, that was

unacceptable but I am not mad at you…I mean crossing your arms isbad etiquette

but you do it because…what was your relationship with your dad?"she says" um"

and I say, " it was tumultuous, wasn't it?" She says "yes" and Isay, "I can

look at your eyes see that you are still a little girl; there is aside to you

that is very adventurous. But sometimes, since you were hurt in thepast, you

don't let it out. And the times that you were most happy in lifewas when you

could trust the moment and really enjoy yourself. But sometimesthat's hard for

you to do. And I am only friends with people who are adventurous,so, I don't

know if your level of adventurism is up to mine. So I don't know ifthis

relationship will work out." Then I turn my head (I do this verydramatic, yet

playful). She hits me on the arm with a smile on her face and says,"stop" (this

is a huge IOI ). She then proceeds to ask me about some after hoursclub. I tell

her that it must not be that cool. She asks, "Why?" and I tell her"because I

have never heard of it". She says that it is a fetish club andproceeds to show

me her whip. I tell her that I think her and I would probably makea bad couple

because we are both dominant lovers and that I am not sure if sheis woman

enough to be with a man as strong as me. She tells me that most men

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her. And I tell her that most women can't handle me: they fall inlove and then

become needy. And I don't tolerate women who are needy. She tellsme that she is

not needy (who is jumping through who's hoops now?!) I tell herthat I don't go

to fetish clubs but that I am into swinger clubs( I had anintuition that this

would be good). Her eyes light up and she tells me that she is justgetting into

the scene (bingo). We talk extensively about it (I am really BSingbecause I

know next to nothing about the scene). Then I tell her: "mygirlfriend and I are

looking for a playmate, are you game?" She says: "Maybe". I tellher that I have

to get back to my friends but that if she wants to play, she shouldwrite down

her number. She says, "Yes, I do want to play" and proceeds towrite down her

number. Then I go into something similar to Ross' SRT. She tells meto stop

because I am making her think about all sorts of things and thatshe hasn't been

fucked really hard in a long time. I use some negation on her. Thenshe says

that I am being very aggressive and forward. I say, " Yes I am veryaggressive

and forward, and I don't know if you are woman enough to handleme". She just

looks at me like a deer in headlights.

Then I ask her where the craziest place she has ever has sex was.She tells me

about being pounded by some guy at a swingers' party while a crowdof people

watched. Then she proceeds to tell me that her ex-lover wasembarrassed to whip

out his cock in front of other people (shit test). Then she asks mewhere the

craziest place I ever had sex was. I go into a story about how myex girlfriend

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(this story was inspired by Style—very money indeed).

Then I say to her, "on a scale of 1-10 how good of a kisser areyou?" She says a

ten. I say, " lets find out". I lean over and we start making out(a little bit

too much tongue for my taste; but she was trainable). Then I say toher in a

little boy tone, "what do you say we go find a girl and bring herhome with us?"

She says, "yes"(Now at this point I wanted to cry tears of joy: wasthis really

happening to me?! But I kept my cool and acted like this was anormal everyday

thing for me).We then attempt to pick up some girls: I try and hook her up withsome of the

girls I had sarged earlier in the night and we try and pick up somenew ones as

well. But none end up being sure deals and the club is closing , so,I tell her

we should go to a strip club to pick up girls. She is down buttells me that she

has to find out if her friends want to go as well. Meanwhile, oneof the girls I

had sarged earlier finds me. I start screening and challenging hertoo. Right

before I kiss her, my bi girl finds me and tells me that herfriends are down to

go to a strip club. I meet her friends. They are cool and we allget along (BTW,

they all ended up to be swingers).

So the first club I take them to ends up being closed. I amthinking: fuck fuck

and fuck. I then suggest that we go to another club down the streetcalled "The

body shop". At first her friends bitch about the twenty-dollarcover, but I

successfully persuade them all to go inside.

For the first hour her and I are making out and I manage to takeher in the back

and finger her. She is telling me how she wants to be man handledand fucked


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really hard—guys I was considering taking her out of the club atthis point and

fucking her in my car. Then I tell her that we only have an hourand we need to

get a girl. She is down but does not know what to do. So I tellher, "have you

ever picked a girl up in a bar?" She says, " yes" and I say, "wellit is really

the same thing". This works great. She ends up making out with thisHispanic

stripper. The Hispanic stripper is down to come back but she wantsto bring her

boyfriend to watch. I am not down with this—way too weird for me.We get some

bites from some of the other girls, but none end up coming back onthis night.

Her and her friend wanted to come to my house. She wanted to fuckme in front of

her guy friends, one of which was very jealous of me. At this pointI told them

that I was tired and opted to call it a night. A couple days laterI realized

that I had managed to lose her number (Damn, I suck in regards tonot losing

numbers).

Saturday January 4:

My Albino Gary Coleman friend invites a friend of mine and I to LasPalmas. When

we show up, my GC friend informs me that my bi girl is here.Furthermore, he

tells me that she was telling him how much fun she had picking upother girls

with me. And that she was mad that I never called her. I find herand she is

with the same group of people she was with the week before, plusone of her

lovers—a dominant bi fem. Later in the night, one of the swingerguys and I are

sitting in the patio area when all of the sudden the dominant bifem starts

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then lifts up her skirt, revealing her panties. Then she moves herpanties out

of the way revealing her pussy while she was being spanked (I haveto admit that

I was getting a bit aroused, yet I had a feeling that she wastrouble). Next,

she starts giving my bi girl a lap dance-- and the next thing Iknow, the two

girls are making out. They want to do a threesome but I am not downfor two

reasons: One is that I sense the dom could cause problems; and two,is that Rick

told me that it is dangerous to do a threesome with girls you havenot already

fucked solo. Rick told me that this is a good way to get excludedfrom the

threesome.

When I get home, there are messages from her saying that her andher bi dom fem

friend want to come over. But I do not call her back. I need tofuck her solo

first.

New Years Eve:

A couple of friends and I decide to go to Vegas and hang out withRick for New

Years—Vegas baby Vegas. We go to the Palms and start our night offsarging at a

lounge called "#9". We warm up on several sets and then adjournover to club

"Rain". I do several sets and then I find this very hot HB —tallblonde with a

very pretty face and huge fake tits—just my type—yea baby yea. Westart talking

and then I say to her, "you know what: You are an observer." "Whatdo you mean,

I am an observer?" she says. "Well," I say, "you like to observepeople…you are

a people watcher, an eaves dropper." She kinda chuckles and says,"Yeah I am a

people watcher: I enjoy watching how other people interact." And I

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thing is this: there are two types of people: people who areobservers, like

yourself, and people who live in the moment…And I bet when you aretruly having

fun, you can stop observing and be in the moment completely." Shekinda of

thinks about it and then says, "You are very good at readingpeople, did you

study psychology?" "Nope, just learned my wisdom from eating a lotof fortune

cookies as a kid. They taught me everything I know." She laughs.Next I tell her

that she is very sarcastic, and I know this because I am sarcastictoo… And that

most people can't hang with her sarcasm but that a person whomatches her wit is

the biggest turn on for her in the world. She really eats this up,which is

great because I do outmatch her wit. Then I tell her that she is avisual

learner. She asks me how I know. I give her an explanation and sheagrees. Then

I tell her that most visual learners have great imaginations. Shesays, "yes, I

have a great imagination". So I tell her, lets find out how goodyour

imagination is. I ask her to describe her ideal vacation spot. ThenI start

doing the cube on her. She says to me, "do you do this to everygirl?" "No" I

say, " Only girls who seem adventurous and spontaneous…But I couldbe wrong:

maybe you are neither adventurous nor spontaneous. And if that isthe case, then

we could never be friends and I will be forced to break up with youright now

because I am only friends with people who are adventurous andspontaneous…and I

am not sure you can handle me." She rebuts, "Oh I am veryadventurous and

spontaneous, and I am not sure you can handle me…how old are you

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she is giving me a huge shit test). I tell her how old I am andthen I ask her.

She tells me thirty-one. So I tell her that this relationship wouldnever work

because she is way to old for me and she could never keep up withme. She tells

me that it doesn't really matter because she does not look thirty-one (which was

true: she not only was very hot but looked like she was in her midtwenties).

And then she tells me that actually I am the old one in therelationship because

I am past my sexual prime, while she is in her sexual prime (God Ilove a witty

woman). Then I accuse her of being a big old perve for alwayshaving sex on her

mind. I say to her: "I was trying to have an intellectualconversation, but you

have to turn everything into sex—what a sinner—you are going toburn in hell."

Then we start talking about the craziest places we ever had sex.She tells me

that she had sex on a rooftop once. I tell her my variant ofStyle's "fucked my

girlfriend at a sex show in a foreign country" story. She thinksthe story is

very money indeed. I go into something similar to Ross' SRT. As Iam doing this,

I ask her if she likes guys or girls more. She says, "I like guysmore but girls

can work." I say, "Good because I am only friends with girls whoknow they are

bisexual, so for your sake, it's a good thing you said that." ThenI ask her on

a scale of 1-10 how good of a kisser she is? She says, "ten". So, Ikiss her. We

make out for a while. Then I say in a little boy tone, "What do yousay we find

a hot girl and bring her home with us?" She says, "Yeah, thatsounds like fun."

So then I take her to the bar outside to # close her (I wouldn't

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this one get loose, she could be useful). As we are walkingoutside, I have her

lock elbows with me (I learned this from Mystery when he was inLA). This is

outstanding because it assumes that we are together. We exchangenumbers. Then I

take her to one of the numerous tented booths outside. Since theyare somewhat

private, they are excellent for molesting. So I take her in one ofthe booths

and molest her for a while. I should have fucked her in the booth— my bad. So I

suggest that we go back inside to pick up girls. We go inside. I goto kiss her

and she pulls back to tease me a little. So I say, "you are thesort of person

who feels comfortable being in control. I bet you are in control ofyour life

and that you usually like to be in control with men. But the thingis this:

maybe, you are confident enough in yourself that when you meet aguy that is

strong enough to be in control of you, you can allow yourself toget really

turned on; maybe not. I am a dominant male and I don't know if youare woman

enough, adventurous enough, to let yourself be in the moment andgive up

control? But if you're not who I thought you were, that's OK, wecan be

friends." At this point she starts kissing me passionately. It wasgetting late,

and I hadn't seen Caliboy, Morpheus, or Rick (and his driver) inhours. So, I

said, "Wait here" and I left her to go find the boys (hugemistake). I come back

a half hour later and she is gone, so, I leave the club. I findMorpheus and

Rick. I bitch about the situation to Rick and Rick gives me somegreat advice on

how to handle the situation. My thought was that I shouldn't bang

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until I get them into a threesome; I didn't want them to get use tohaving sex

with me without another girl there. But Rick said that this couldbe a mistake

because if you have not banged at least one of the girls, then youcould get

excluded from the threesome. So, according to Rick, what you wantto do is this:

Bang at least one of the girls by herself, so you have an emotionalconnection

with (and dominance over) her. He also said that I must be dominantthe whole

way through—any sign of weakness will ensue in a bad situation.

The good news is that she lives in LA. I have talked to her sincethe trip and

she is very excited about going out to a strip club and pickingother chicks

with me. My plan though is to bang her solo first, and then get herand

HBswinger together for a threesome.

Boys, this is how the game is really played.


Style (Commenting on the above, reposted from Mystery's Lounge withpermission

of the author):

Pushing/pulling. Yes, it's best when incorporated intopunishment/reward. But,

according to behavioral theory, what works BEST is an inconsistent

punishment/reward system. They are rewarded and punished MOST (butnot all) of

the time. So you don't have to be too strict about this.

But, generally, I am ALWAYS throughout the PU trying to push/pull.Telling her

to go away and stop pestering me, then pulling her back in andasking where

she's going. Or telling her she reminds me of one of my sisters,and then making

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then disqualify her. Things like making a relationship, then sayit's not

working out. Get engaged, then break up.

This is so key. And it occurs on a subtle level too. Suddenlylooking over her

shoulder when she's talking, as if she's boring you. Leaning back.Stopping the

kino . These things--push-pull--are in my mind an element thatseparates the good

from the great. They really for some reason fire the attractionsignals.

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La Piovra:

I am looking to meet local PUA's in Chicago to start up a Lairhere. If

interested, email me at pb***b@co***.com [ ? ] .

Someone on Cliff's list mentioned David Lieberman''s book "Getanyone to do

anything and never feel powerless again." I'd like to consider aframework that

he claims people use to make decisions as it is applied toseduction.

Now before we start, it's important to note that at the firstglance this

framework looks analytical and we all know that women (and somemen) make

decisions based on emotions and then use logic to justify them. Butevery time I

try to capture her imagination and lead the conversation I findthat a framework

could be useful. The idea is to lead her through all stages of thisdecision

making process ENGAGING her emotions. In my opinion this willpowerfully put her

in the right state even if she is one of the rare female logicalthinkers. But -

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this is just an idea and I will field test this and report theresults but an

input is appreciated from bro's with experience. Let's take a lookat it step

by step.

1. narrow a person's options to avoid deliberation. Here she has achoice- to go

home to her ordinary and boring reality or find out things aboutherself that

will "take her breath away" (Thank you Svengali). Point that out ina matter-

of- fact way. It is important to make sure SHE decides and you justgently lead

her to do so. Again you need to become an Authority first. See Rossand others

as to how to do this.

2. Give a deadline to take action.This creates a sense of urgencyand urge to

gain what is rare. Again this can be done in many ways- patterns ,powerful

takeaways , etc.

3. Engage the law of consistency by having her to commit to smaller

requests.

Here KINO leading to a massive make out session will go a long wayIMHO. Or you

can challenge her on a variety of fronts, ego, guilt, fear of loss,

etc..Comments on this one? Other ways to enact this law?

4. Use your words and actions to enact the law of expectation..here is where

confidence and calm sense of power comes in really handy. A simple"Let's go"

may be all it takes if enough rapport is created and expectationsare set. This

is the execution part and an execution must be swift. Bydelivering a powerful

execution you are saving yourself time in case she's an attentionwhore, belongs

to a sex hate league, etc...If on the other hand she's ready to gohorizontal,

you're setting things in motion as you should at this point. Ithink Mr Sex4uNYC


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once said that you only should be taking home a girl who knows whatshe's going

for.

5. reduce what you want her to do to simple steps. In other wordsshow her that

this is not complicated.. I don't know if this law applies here..comments on

this one?

6. Offer an additional benefit for taking action NOW. Again I don'tknow if this

applies here, since expectations must already be set by this stageas outlined

in # 1 and then you simply act on it.

7. Probably the most important of all these rules is there must bea RAPPORT

between the two of you and you have to be able to gauge it. To me asimple way

to measure it is to observe how easily/ willingly she follows your

orders/requests ("let's go to another room/place" or "wait for me,I'll be right

back") or KINO , though some chicks may not be as kinesthetic asothers...

comments on this one?

At first this may seem like too much and too complicated but if youactually

think about this structure it starts to make internal sense.


Halbster:

> 26 "(Thinking: What? Fuck. I want to watch a movie at your houseso I can try

to have sex with you). We walk to my car. I hold her hand on theway.

Halbster: It sounds like you coulda said "I want to get a movieand go to your

house so that we can pretend to watch the movie while sexualtension builds

until we start making out like animals in heat.


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> 26: Tell her she can't sit where she wants?

Halbster: Tell her to sit on your lap or share the spot with you.


Ross:

> MB: I could not agree more with this line of thinking. I alwaystry to learn

as much as I can about a female and look for "in's," so to speak. Iwill either

wait for her to make a comment regarding her sexual nature and thensteer the

conversation that way or make a very light one myself and look tosee how she

reacts. If negative I do not push but rather wait until later orreassess my

approach.

Ross: Right. Prime the pump if need be to get her talking, but useHER

responses to steer her where you want her to go.

> MB: I recently began articulating a lot more of what I want fromwomen in a

general sense and virtually all women seek to meet the standardthat you put

forth. If you say you want a passionate woman then that is what shewill give

you because you have elevated yourself to a high level by definingyour needs

and expectations. Women are truly masters of telling us what theywant and hence

I realized that by doing so they challenge us to do the same.

Ross: Well put. Set a lead with your actions and in what you say.

>> Rio: Whenever a chick tells you her problems, she is reallysaying "Wow,

he'll put up with all my bullshit. He must be a desperate loser-manwith no


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standards for women he hangs out with, and since he has nothingbetter to do,

I'll take advantage of it and turn him into a friend!"

> MB: Not always but if he does not make his needs known he willfall into

whatever role she wants him to fall into and it is usually thelowest

denominator. To me if you simply hope that a woman will give youwhat you want

by virtue of being around her, you better hope again. If you do notmake your

needs known to her she will assume you want nothing and give youwhat she

assumes you want - NOTHING.

Ross: Right. Make YOUR needs known AND your needs PRIMARY.

> MB: I do not see that great connection between having a womantell you her

problems and her fucking you. Often after a high level session ofdisclosure and

your understanding of her will a woman feel more connected to you.In fact in my

experience women that have shared their problems with me I actuallyended up

fucking faster than ones that did not.

Ross: Provided you let them know what YOU want and need, I agree.I'm talking

about a special kind of woman; the histrionic personality type whoLIVES for and

LOVE her drama. HER emotions are ultimately the only thing that isreal in the

world. They are female narcissists, but they are narcissisticallyfocused on

their own internal drama and painful emotion as opposed to theirappearance or

other things you'd more likely expect.

> MB: Wake up call. Women want sex as much as we do, but they needto feel a

little more accepted than we do before they give it up.


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Ross: Right. I agree. Some actually need to feel REJECTEDfirst..these are the

sick ones that Rio is referring to.

> MB: Women tend to have a defined image of us in their head, whichis usually

not a very high one and it is up to us to let them know what wewant and what we

are all about so that they do not falsely and incorrectly presumeand assume

things that are not true. It is up to us to let her know what weare all about

and what we want, even if it is just sex. BUT once they do knowwhat we want,

they begin to feel free and easy to offer us whatever it is that weseek.

Ross: Or to assess if they want to or even CAN give it. I agree.Very well

said. Excellent points and post.

>> Rio: About romance.... my slick factor increased when I viewedher as LTR

material. I read once from David Shade that women find it romantic

when they

have to try and win a man's heart, and that is what they findromantic... when

they finally win the heart of a man who doesn't give a shit aboutthem!

> MB: Here I have to say a flat out no. It is perverse to assumethat anyone

would want to be with another person that does not care about them.Women that

try to win a man's heart are ones what are aware of what he wantsfrom life,

women, and relationships. Women that know this try to meet hisstandard and be

accepted by him and the only way she will know what you want iswhen you tell

her, but you do not have to give a shit about them when in fact itcan be quite

counter productive.


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Ross: Rio is describing a type of pathology that fits in with aspecific

personality type/disorder: look up histrionic personality disorder.


Mark B.:

I recently made a life changing discovery. Over the weekend I readLarry King's

"How to talk to anyone about anything under all circumstances" orsomething like

that. In the book he talks about the owner of the WashingtonRedskins, a

billionaire, who did not succeed until he learned how not to oversell. He makes

his point and then stops.

I realized that with some women I find highly appealing I tend totalk

excessively, offer my extended opinions and views and tellprotracted stories

all in an effort to try to impress a woman. I realized that bytrying to impress

a woman I am implying she is not impressed and hence she feels thatI am trying

too hard. Inevitably I would lose them. In times when I said littlebut stayed

engaged my success rate is much higher.

Now I resolved not to say more than two sentences in a conversationbefore I

allow her to respond and no more than five when telling a story.When I want to

sleep with a woman I say "I would like to make love to you" or"come back to my

place" and then stop, allow her to digest the invite and not sayanything until

she responds. Armed with this power I picked up a hot little 23year old from a

clothing store who agreed to have a drink with me before I finishedasking her

and telling her I would like to get to know her better.


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In some ways less is more. It keeps women engaged, allows them totalk and makes

them feel part of the interaction as well as makes you lookstronger, more self

assured confident and not desperate. Abe Lincoln was famous forthis approach.


Clint "Art é " Arthur

( http://www.automateyourwebsite.com/app/aftrack.asp?afid=26185 ):

26's post on getting his new FB was HYSTERICAL. Much thanks toStyle for getting

this into wide circulation.

For 26 and a lot of the younger guys on this list I sincerely thinkit would be

a smart idea to check out one of my videos like "New Sex Now" or mybook "9 Free

Secrets of New Sensual Power" so that when you put all thispowerful seduction

technology to use and finally DO end up naked with a chick you havesome

knowledge and skills to work with so you won't end up limp or notable to shoot

a load like 26. A lot of guys' difficulty in shooting has to dowith not wanting

to let down their guard, not wanting to be intimate, not wantingher to think

you're anything less than a sexual superman. Well, as David wouldsay, "Who

cares what she thinks!"

Personally, I would rather shoot it down her throat or all over herface any

time rather than inside her vag during sex. (And BTW, 26, yes it issafe to keep

using the same condom after you get soft and then get hard again,as long as it

hasn't ripped.) I think what 26 ended up doing -- jacking while shesucked his

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balls -- was a first-class improvisation, and he should be proud ofhis work

here. Just try spunking on her face next time and you'll feel a lotbetter than

if you gotta wipe it off your six-pack. But you could make her lickit off, and

she'd probably get turned on by how you control and dominate her --if you could

make her do it.

All in all, that post had me laughing out loud and glued to everyword.

Cliff's Comments: After reading 26's comments, it is clear that

some guys outthere could use some good, down to earth, specific instruction inthe bedroom.

I have seen some of Arte's products and his video and his new bookand there is

some very good information in there along those lines.


Jobet:

I started out with hypnotic seduction because life has treated mebad with

regard to dating. I've had my ass whupped by both better lookingand worse

looking boys, richer and poorer boys, etc., etc. I was searchingfor a "pattern"

or a formula that would solve my problems with women. What madewomen tick? Yes,

I am not ashamed to admit it, I used to be a real, sore LOSER wherethe opposite

sex was involved. CLUELESS. And unabashedly unashamed, I can alsoclaim that I

found the key into women's minds, and have developed the skill toseduce women

with PRECISION and CONTROL previously unattainable with theconventional logic


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that the world would feed you. No small thanks to JeffriesCunningham,

Cleveland, Bandler, et al. Maybe at the time I was getting back atthe female of

the species, and gorged on the affection, love and sex that waspreviously made

so unavailable to me. Like a kid in a candy store with a hundreddollar bill. It

was such a welcome change to turn the tables, to have women beggingto be with

you rather than the other way around. To go from abject scarcity tooverwhelming

plenty. That feeling of POWER, CONTROL and eventual ABUNDANCEreally felt good.

To tell you honestly, that's all history now. I pushed theenvelope, changed my

situation,and I got there, or at least where I wanted to be, and amnow content

and settled. Maybe I'm getting old. But no doubt, others are stillembarked on

that journey, and perhaps they should, until they finally makepeace with

themselves.

The KEY is Ross's and Mark's stuff. Therefore, the key has beenwith you all

along.

To learn it, chunk a small part at a time. Just like baking a cake,you might

want to add in stuff one at a time and see how that makes a

difference. Of

course up until you find the integrated whole that works for you,it will work

sometime and not some of the time. But my advice is sound, learnstuff one at a

time. Learn embeds first. Then what to embed. Then how to link itand bind it.

That's the first stage. Then on to ambiguities . Then tocriteria/values

elicitation. And so on and so forth until you get to the stuff likehyper-


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empiria, etc. The advanced things will only make sense once you'vegotten over

the basics. Basically, it's just a matter of integration andapplication.

Therefore practice, practice, practice and trust me, as you go,some of the

stuff will make sense to you. It ain't wired in until you go outand actually do

it on wimmen.


dreamweaver (Reposted from Mystery's Lounge with permission of theauthor):

I found my gimmick tonight. It was my 22nd birthday. My roommatebought me a

walking cane to signify my age. What did I do? I made it my pimpingcane. I went

out with a girl on each arm. And do you know the shit I got awaywith as a

"pimp?"

I walked right up to the hottest girls at the parties, tapped themwith my cane

and said "let me see those goods."

If they said what the fuck or showed any disrespect Id pound mycane to the

floor "shut the FUCK UP!, do you know who your fuckin talkin to?Now lets start

over!"

I used the pimp documentary ("American Pimp") and talked about howwe go down

to LA to fight over whose hoes are owned by who and how we tradehoes and look

for talent. Girls loved that shit.

This is definitely going to be a new style of mine every now andthen. I LOVED

it!

Alright, I thought I'd go into some more detail on how the night

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First I had friends who were over for my birthday--- all HB 8's andup

pretending to be my hoes. This REALLY gave me some credibility.What I'm trying

to figure out is how I can do this again when it is NOT mybirthday, and I don't

have automatic hoes.

I'm thinking a routine like this: Walk up to girls I don't know.

Dreamweaver: How would you like to be my hoes for awhile? I'lltreat you real

good.(big smile)

If they play along with it the next groups are easy, as I'll gointo exactly

what I did when I was out. Snowballing from your original group isa fucking

breeze.

The other idea I can think of is asking the girls to play alongwith your

gimmick. Let them know it's just for fun and you want to see howpeople react.

The ROUTINES:

The first routine I used involved going up to guys and asking themhow much they

would pay for my hoe on my right arm, and then compare that withthe one on my

left arm.

PimpDaddyDreamWeaver: How much you think you gonna pay for magirls?

He says some price--- keep in mind he's in a group set with girlsthere. If any

girl says anything I tell her "shut the fuck up. Who was I fuckingtalking to?

That's right. Wait your Goddam turn." Pounding my cane to thefloor. (Yes you

NEED a pimp cane. It is a NECESSITY. More than the outfit, andnearly as much as

the attitude.)

No matter what price he says you say "not nearly enough, Goddamn."I usually

followed that night with, "Oh well, it's ma fuckin' burthday, letthe hoes


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decide. If they wanna fuck you, ma man it's free game."

Then I'd go into my butt slapping cane routine. I take my cane andsay "time to

test out the goods." I would then slap girls on their behinds. Yes,girls I

don't know. Especially the hottest girls in the club or the party.Usually I'd

say "naw, you don't got what it takes. What you got girl?"

If she tells me she doesn't want to be my hoe, or shows anydisrespect- there is

a ZERO!!!!! tolerance policy. You must show the bitch. "You don'thave a choice

girl. If I like the goods, I take the goods."

Then I challenge them "Entertain me." I make them entertain me. Itell them it's

my birthday, and that I'm the youngest fucking white pimp around. Ishould be in

the Guinness Book of World Records.

Then I talk about either American Pimp, or Pimpin Ain't Easy (artsydoc as

opposed to main stream American Pimp). Either way I talk about howthey filmed

me for it but I told them I don't want my hoes exposed. How I fightfor them at

pimp conventions. And I offer my girls only the best. But I alwaysget what I

want. At this point you MUST transition to testing her to be one ofyour hoes.

You personally test all your girls.

This means you get to kiss her and whatever else she'll do in theframe you set

her in. Remember you are the one in power. I don't know any girlsthat stepped

outta line. I seriously was so into the roll I would have slappedthem with the

cane. One girl said, "what if I run away?" I told her. "Ah'd dothis," I flipped

my cane upside down so the hook was on top and grabbed her by theleg and I

seriously tripped her. She was so taken aback by that she didn'tknow what to


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do. "No one runs from this pimp daddy."

Whether the girls actually believed me or not didn't matter becausethey all

played into it. The last opener I would use was just slamming mycane into the

middle of a circle and waiting for a girl to ask about it. I'd takemy time then

say "did I ask you to speak. I'm a pimp." If they laugh then youagain go hard

on them. It's about the money not the women. You can't help gettinglaid.

The really bad side affect of this is...... I want to go pimpingagain, because

once you go pimp you NEVER want to go back.Oh yeah I forgot my favorite routine of the night. Asking girls torate my hoes.

Girls love stabbing at other girls. But they best not make fun ofma hoes!

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