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All content © The Dog & Lemon Guide 2011. All rights reserved OUTBACK LEGACY WAGON $10,000–$30,000 $6000–$25,000 $2000–$15,000 (for used car dealers add around 30%, incl GST) Quick Summary Great to drive, with reasonable reliability at low mileages & excellent safety. However, these cars often don't age well. How Reliable? Good, but see 'what goes wrong' below How Safe? Excellent. See our safety summary below ALSO CONSIDER: Something more practical at high mileages, like a Toyota Camry. Subaru Legacy / Liberty / Outback 2003-09 LEGACY/ LIBERTY
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    LEGAcY WAGON

    $10,000 $30,000

    $6000$25,000

    $2000$15,000(for used car dealers add around 30%, incl GST)

    Quick SummaryGreat to drive, with reasonable reliability at low mileages & excellent safety. However, these cars often don't age well.

    How Reliable?Good, but see 'what goes wrong' below

    How Safe?Excellent. See our safety summary below

    ALSO CONSIDER: Something more practical at high mileages, like a Toyota Camry.

    Subaru Legacy / Liberty / Outback2003-09

    LEGAcY/ LIbERTY

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    $11,500 $45,000

    $10,000$42,000 (for used car dealers add around 30-40%, incl GST)

    SUB MODELS: the Legacy and Liberty are the same car with different badges. Legacy is the international name, Liberty the Australian name. The Legacy/Liberty was offered as either a four-door sedan or a five-door station wagon. The Outback is the SUV version of the Legacy.

    Some of this wording is shared with other reviews.

    Japan is a very conservative society and exports most of its vehicles to cultures that it does not fully understand. There-fore, changes come slowly and cautiously. Also, Subaru is, and always has been, a small carmaker with very limited budgets, with potential bankruptcy always lurking somewhere in the background.

    Before Subaru, four-wheel drive was mainly for offroad use and was rarely employed on an everyday car. The Leone which offered the option of four-wheel drive motoring for the same price as a conventional car saved Subaru in the early 1970s. The Leone model was sold worldwide for an extraordinary 23 years before finally being retired in 1994. How-

    ever, long before the Leone expired as a model, its shortcomings were obvious: it was too small, underpowered and unsafe for Western car buyers.

    Thus, the 1989 launch of the Legacy (Liberty in Australia) ushered in a new era for Subaru.

    The Legacy was larger, had more power and was far safer than the Leone. However, it was still a bit small and a bit gutless for many Western buyers. This took Subaru a long time to grasp: side streets in Japan are often little more than well-sealed cart tracks; large cars are heavily taxed and would not fit into many carparking spaces.

    With time, the message got through and Subarus designers went back to the drawing board once more. They enlarged the existing vehicle, gave the engines more power and made the Legacy a nicer car to drive. As Subarus designers became more aware and more confident, this process of ongoing improvement continued.

    Thus, the Legacy, with each generation, grew larger, more powerful, more comfort-able and more safe.

    Aside from power and comfort, handling improved noticeably on this version of the Legacy. The rear suspension was vastly improved over the previous version, mak-ing the Legacy far better at cornering and giving it much better stability overall.

    Subaru did make a few blunders: due to the fact that Subaru couldnt afford to produce a new body for this vehicle, they recycled the old one: thus,the width of the Legacy was kept to a Japanese standard: 1.7 metres, meaning that the rear seat is too narrow for three large adults.

    Subarus styling has often been ques-tionable, but you cant fault most of the engineering. The Legacys interior has a

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    designed-by-an-engineer-rather-than-an-artist feel about it. The choice of interior plastics appears to have been made by some accountant somewhere; Subaru clearly never consulted any Western carbuyers before they went ahead with production. In reality, we suspect that Subaru had used up so much of its budget designing the mechanical parts of the vehicle that there simply wasnt enough money left to do a decent job on the interior. Not that it matters, to most Subaru owners. Next to Apple Mac owners, Subaru owners are among the most loyal consumers on the planet, coming back for more, generation after generation. They have learned to trust their vehicles, and a budget interior doesnt seem to bother them much.

    The Legacys front occupants are well-treated, although the seats arent all that easy to adjust. When adjusted, the low-slung seats are comfortable and the driving position is very good for the average driver. However, the steering wheel adjusts for height but not reach, so very short or tall drivers may feel less at home.

    Theres just enough legroom in the front and not enough in the rear.

    The interior is well built and reasonably nicely thought out, although thanks to the lightweight design and the quality of the plastics squeaks and rattles are com-mon.

    Upmarket models were re-powered by a 2.5 turbocharged engine, introduced to solve emissions problems without sacrific-ing power. The new engine, while frugal, was inclined to drink oil. These engines have also given more than their fair share of other issues as well. The problem with all the recent Subaru engines is that theyre a very old design that has been constantly

    updated to wring out the maximum power and fuel economy. Theres a limit to how far you can go with this, and many of these engines are at that limit.

    Later versions offered a 2.0 diesel version that offered impressive fuel economy and reasonable performance.

    Subaru also introduced a feature called Subaru Intelligent Drive (SI-Drive), fit-ted to all turbocharged models and the 3.0 model. In theory, SI-drive allows the driver, via a dial on the centre console, to play God with the operation of engine and automatic transmission. By simply turning the dial, you can choose between economy and two sports settings.

    Like most other systems of this kind, SI-drive works best on paper and worst on the road. Its a silly gimmick; when you select economy you use less petrol and you get less power. However, you can easily achieve exactly the same result by simply driving less aggressively.

    Moreover, the claimed fuel economy im-provements arent always there; most of the time the so-called improvements show up on the fuel economy display rather than at the gas station. All fuel economy computers tend to be a bit optimistic, but the Legacys one seems to be more optimistic than most where SI-drive is concerned.

    Rather more successful is the six-speed manual gearbox, which makes good use of the engines power and, if driven gently, returns passable fuel economy, even on larger engines.

    The automatic transmissions arent per-fect. Because theyre set up to give maxi-mum fuel economy, theyre often in conflict as to when to change gear. That is, they are torn between the desire to change gear at the appropriate time, and the desire to

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    wring out the maximum amount of fuel economy by changing earlier or later than the driver needs. This programming often produces indecisive gearchanging, which may be a pain to live with for some driv-ers. Some of these transmissions also gave problems from new.

    On the road, the Legacys handling is typical of a good four-wheel drive: tena-cious grip coupled with mild understeer. In English, this means that, although the Legacy will stick to the road like glue, even on loose road surfaces, it will want to keep going in a straight line on corners. You learn to adapt your driving style to suit this reality.

    Understeer aside, the Legacy handles okay. The ride is too firm on performance models and a bit inadequate on cheaper models. Upmarket, non-performance mod-els offer the best overall ride.

    The steering is direct and firm across the range.

    OuTbAckLike many modern SUVs, the Subaru

    Outback is a mostly-urban vehicle with slight offroad pretentions. It isnt and never has been, a genuine offroad vehicle. The Subaru Outback is a slightly modified ver-sion of the Legacy wagon. Its natural turf is city streets and gravel roads. Other than being slightly higher off the ground, having

    a butch styling combined with a slightly heavier suspension, the Outback is no dif-ferent to a Legacy station wagon.

    The Outback arose out of Subarus desperate need to cash in on the SUV craze of the 1990s. Subaru was financially-challenged at the time and couldnt afford to build a genuine SUV, so they invented a pretend one.

    A large part of this vehicles success arose from Americas extraordinary but brief fas-cination with rural Australian culture that followed the release of the first two Croco-dile Dundee movies in the 1980s. Unsur-prisingly, the actor who played Crocodile Dundee Paul Hogan was chosen as Subarus spokesman in America, and the ve-hicle was given a title that spoke of rugged rural Australia the Subaru Outback.

    In fact, this name was something of a con: few Australians ever drove one of these vehicles offroad in the true outback. Nor should they; as a car to drive round town and take down dusty roads, the Outback does just fine. You rarely see one crossing the Simpson Desert, which speaks for itself, really. Its not that the Subie cant cope in sand or dirt highways; quite the opposite. Its a great vehicle for muddy dirt tracks and dusty backroads. What the Outback cant cope with is ravines, rocks, logs and rivers. In serious offroad situations its common for the water to come right up over the bon-net of a vehicle during the crossing. Light vehicles can easily get washed downstream. Water can also get sucked into the engine, wrecking it instantly. Sudden dips can eas-ily mean a vehicle gets stuck in the bottom of a V shaped ravine, both ends jammed, with the wheels spinning hopelessly. Large rocks and logs will not only shipwreck a low vehicle like the Outback, but theyll

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    often seriously damage the underside of the vehicle in the process.

    Serious offroad situations require a seri-ous offroader, such as Toyota Land Cruiser or Nissan Patrol, which are purpose-built to cope with ravines, rocks, logs and rivers. Serious offroaders also tend to have winches to pull themselves out of trouble, some-thing your rarely see on an Outback. Still, offroad prowess is rarely relevant to buyers of SUVs. Outbacks are sold and used as city station wagons. This is a task they perform well, although their load-carrying space is not huge.

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    Legacys and Outbacks all versions re-mind us of one of those Hollywood action heroes good-looking, strong and vigor-ous. The sort of friend youd like to hang out and be seen in public with. However, when you look back a decade later they dont seem to have aged very well. Perhaps in the Legacys case you can blame the previ-ous owners. Perhaps not. Theres no doubt that if these vehicles have not been main-tained carefully then both the engines and transmissions will give grief at an early age. However, even well-maintained cars are not immune to problems. Automatics on these cars were never great, although later ver-sions were a definite improvement. Subaru was forced to upgrade these transmissions time after time, but outside of Japan they would only upgrade the transmission if the owner complained. Typical problems are transmissions that shift abruptly and with

    a thump or a bang, lack of acceleration and a refusal on the part of the transmission to change down when the vehicle is going between 40-70km/h. Regardless of how well the transmission is serviced, expect it to need a full and expensive overhaul every 100,000km. The rest of the car should be perfectly reliable until about 150,000km. We know of vehicles that have done three times that mileage without problems, but theres no guarantee. Bear in mind also that these vehicles are reasonably complicated and many jobs on the engine require that the whole motor comes out.

    Even owners who have maintained their vehicles to the highest of standards have sometimes discovered, the hard way, this fact: like Hollywood action heroes, these vehicles are best enjoyed while theyre young and vigorous. Often, old age isnt kind to them.

    See also our comments on Diesels, Tur-bochargers & Superchargers in the links page that follows this review, and on Subaru at the end of this review

    Fuel system problems Legacy models built between

    24 April 2003 & 14 April 2004 (only 12 vehi-cles affected) The fuel tank may leak around the fuel pump when full. If the problem has been fixed in Japan there will be white paint on the bolt securing the fuel tank onto the vehicle body. VIN numbers: BL5-002001 BL5-018656;BP5-002005 BP5-046175Search dogandlemon.com RJ-1342-2

    Engine problems These engines require that the antifreeze gets changed religiously, or the interior of the motor will be eaten away by corrosion.

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    Rattly engines which leak oil probably warn that the end is nigh. EJ20 two litre Subaru engines (and some others) are rapidly developing a bad reputa-tion for premature big end bearing failure. Subaru is claiming that the problem is lack of maintenance, but we know of a number of cases where the buyer was careful and thorough and it still occurred. The problem is worst on the twin turbo versions: these engines are equipped with the short skirt pistons which also wear badly. The symptom of the big end problem is a distinct knocking when you start the car from cold and the symptom of the piston wear is a rattle when cold. The above two problems seem to strike at around 150,000km. Overheating can destroy your engine! See our article Keeping it Cool in the links page that fol-lows this review. EJ25 2.5 litre DOHC engines are well known for blowing head gaskets. See our general head gasket warning at the end of this review.Timing belts and belt tensioners need replac-ing every 100,000km (or five years, whichever comes first) or they may break, causing severe engine damage. Timing belt replacement can be expensive. See our article A Question of Timing in the links page that follows this review. The 3.0 engine uses a timing chain, not a timing belt. A noisy chain probably indicates a tired or badly maintained engine. We have a few reports of these chains breaking at quite low mileages, causing massive engine damage. See our article A Question of Timing in the links page that follows this review. Turbochargers rarely last as long as the engine they are bolted to, and they aint cheap to fix The crankshaft oil seal leaks The crankshaft pulley nut strips out, caus-

    ing crankshaft damage. This is a very common problem and generally occurs not long after the vehicle has had its timing belt replaced. Some engine shops can repair the crankshaft in place, but if theres not one nearby the whole engine will have to come out. Fuel pumps die with age, and are VERY ex-pensive to fix.

    Liberty GT (2007-2008MY), Impreza WRX (2008MY, not including STI models) & Forester XT (2009MY), built be-fore 10 November 2008 The turbo charger oil supply pipe may be deformed and vibration during normal driving could casue the pipe to crack and leak engine oil. VIN numbers: not disclosed. Details @ dogandlemon.com

    Legacy 5-speed manual turbo models built between 24 April 2003 & 31 March 2004 The timing belt tensioner may al-low the belt to move and become damaged. If the problem has been fixed in Japan there will be white paint on top of the timing belt cover.VIN numbers: BL5-002044 BL5-018374; BP5-002137 BP5-041689Search dogandlemon.com RJ-2175-0

    Gearbox & drivetrain problems Constant velocity (CV) joints are prone to wear. Drive the car in a tight left, then right-hand circle and listen for the telltale knock-knock-knock sound.Also check behind the wheel for split CV boots and grease leakage. If the boot is split, CV failure is not far behind, and this CV is a mod-erately expensive repair. Clutches are the weakest link in the power transmission chain . Try accelerating hard after changing from first to second while driving uphill. If the car doesnt speed up but the revs keep rising, theres a problem. Manual gearboxes are prone to problems from around 150,000km onwards. Symptoms of impending doom include jumping out of second gear and crunching when changing in and out of third. Difficulties shifting may also be worn shifter bushings. The differentials on these cars will quickly seize if the vehicle is run with tyres of different heights.

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    Rear differentials blow and may be expensive to fix See our general automatic transmission warning at the end of this review.

    Automatic Liberty 3.0, Liberty GT 2.0/2.5 & Outback 3.0 models built be- models built be-tween 2005 & 2007 Transmission may slip due to a leaking oil cooler hose. This is also a fire haz-ard. VIN numbers @ dogandlemon.com

    Steering & suspension problems STEERing RACkS AnD PUMPS ARE PROnE TO FAiLURE AT VERy high MiLEAgES. Especially watch out for oil leaks from the steering rack, because this not only signals that the unit needs rebuilding, it may cause it to fail a safety check Suspension bushes are prone to wear Suspension struts are prone to wear Check for uneven tyre wear. It may mean that this car has clipped a curb while parking, or there may be hidden accident damage. If theres uneven tyre wear, insist on a four-wheel alignment before proceeding. The rear springs are prone to sagging if the vehicle has been overloaded.

    brake & safety problems See our general airbag and ABS warning at the end of this review. heavy disc wear is common, especially at the rear. REAR DISCS ARE BOTH DIFFICULT AND EXPENSIVE TO REPLACE

    Worldwide recall of Legacy models built between 24 April 2003 & 14 April 2004 The rear stabiliser may interfere with rear brake callipers and cause brake fluid to leak. VIN numbers @ dogandlemon.com

    Search dogandlemon.com RJ-1342-1 Search theaa.com R/2005/117

    body problems Many Legacies have been pranged, and not always fixed properly. You should always have the vehicle professionally checked, but also check for uneven tyre wear, wheel wobble when driving and especially watch for a tugging towards one side of the road as you drive Many Legacies have been used to tow boats, so a

    check for rust underneath is essential, especially in the front crossmember, around the wheel wells and in the front of the bonnet

    Worldwide recall of Legacy models built between 24 April 2003 & 21 March 2005 The rear doors may open while driving. If the problem has been fixed in Japan there will be black paint on the latch of the rear door lock. VIN numbers:

    Search dogandlemon.com RJ-1462-0 and RJ-1514-0

    not disclosed, search theaa.com R/2005/116

    Interior problems Air conditioning is often dead & may be uneconomic to fix Electric windows die with age Central locking dies with age. The key re-motes are also prone to dying of old age. Make sure that they work and make sure you get the spare as well, or budget for its replacement.

    AnCAP crash tests, Australia2004-on models. The version with side

    airbags did even better. In actual road smashes the driver of a small-er (lighter) car is far more likely to die than the driver of a larger (heavier) vehicle it col-lides with. (A Daihatsu Move weighs about 815kg and a Range Rover weighs about 2500kg. This vehicle weighs about 12001400kg, depending on the model). See also our general comments on Four-wheel drives & Safety in the Safety section (see the links page that follows this review) and our general com-ments on safety in that section.

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    VIN PLATE LOCATION: Right inner guard behind wheel arch

    EnginE TyPE & SiZE: (petrol) 2.0 EJ20 HO 1994cc DOHC MPI, some turbo. 2.5 EJ25 HO 2457cc DOHC MPI, some turbo (VVT on turbo versions). 3.0 EZ30 HO 3000cc DOHC MPI

    (diesel) 2.0 1998cc DOHC MPI turbo

    RECOMMEnDED FUEL/S: 2.0 & 2.0 turbo Premium 2.5 Regular 2.5 turbo Premium 3.0 Premium

    hOW MUCh FUEL?: Realistic urban averages:(petrol)

    2.0 12.3 litres/100km 8.1 km/litre 23 mpg 2.0T 15.6 litres/100km 6.4 km/litre 18 mpg 2.5 12.8 litres/100km 7.8 km/litre 22 mpg 2.5T 17.5 litres/100km 5.7 km/litre 16 mpg 3.0 15.6 litres/100km 6.4 km/litre 18 mpg

    (diesel) 2.0 7.4 litres/100km 13.6 km/litre 38.5mpg

    hOW gREEn? (petrol) 2.0 J/K CO2 emissions (g/km) 148-212 2.5 K CO2 emissions (g/km) 200-210 3.0 L CO2 emissions (g/km) 229-290

    (diesel) 2.0 K meets Euro Standard IV See our article Its Not Easy Being Green in the links page that follows this review.

    SafetyPROPER SEATBELTS THROUGHOUT: YesPROPER SPARE TYRE: Yes, except for Legacy GT models which have spacesaver only.ANTISKID BRAKING (ABS): LEGACY all models except (previous) 2.2 LX wagon OUTBACK standard all modelsAIRBAGS: LEGACY GX & RX dual standard GTB & RSB driver only LX wagon not available OUTBACK Ltd dual standard SUV not available ELECTRONIC STABILITY CONTROL (ESC): Outback Ltd 3.0R, and Legacy GT. Other models no.REVERSING CAMERA: NoSUITABLE FOR TOWING? YesTOWING CAPACITY: unbraked 710-750kg, braked 1500-1800kg

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  • mythology Pleiades. Subarus logo of six stars comes from the Taurus constellation and is also a reference to the six companies of the Fuji group.

    Subarus first big break came with the four-wheel drive

    Subaru is the car division of Fuji Heavy Industries Ltd. Fuji also manufac-tures aircraft, trains & ships, among other things.

    Started in 1917 as the Naka-jiama Aircraft Co, the company changed its name to Fuji Sangyo Ltd in 1945, when the American occu-pying forces split the group into twelve independ-ent companies. Six of these were later to regroup as Fuji Heavy industries Ltd. and gradu-ally diversif ied into manufactur-ing such things as motor-scooters, bus bodywork & gasoline engines.

    Subarus first car was a Fiat Bambina lookalike, the 360, in 1958.

    More conventional cars started with the FF1 of 1966, formed after a co-operation agreement with Nissan.

    The trademark Subaru (cor-rect Japanese pronunciation is Soo bar roo, not soo - ber - ROO) is a Japanese reference to the character from Greek

    SUBARUOfficial name: Subaru Division, Fuji Heavy Industries Ltd

    Owned by: Mainly Fuji Heavy In-dustries Ltd and Toyota (16.5%).

    Formerly owned by: General Motors (20%).

    Current situation: On the positive side, Subaru vehicles have an excellent reputation for performance, handling, reli-ability and safety. However, like the giant Panda, Subaru has become too specialised and is endangered by a changing en-vironment. Subaru has a limited model range and is currently losing money; its a small fish in a hostile and overpopulated sea.

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    Leone in 1974, which suddenly made four-wheel drive available for the everyday motorist.

    Subaru also did well with small cars & vans and its per-formance models.

    Early 80s Suba-rus had bad rust p rob l ems , and Subaru small cars and vans were deathtraps.

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  • Both the ABS (anti-skid braking) and airbag warning lights should go on and then off when you first start the vehicle. If this does not happen, the vehicle may require a major, extremely expensive repair immediately (if either the ABS or airbag warning lights do not go on at all, someones probably disconnected them to hide the fact that the ABS or airbag system is faulty). If either warning light comes on while you are driving, this may mean a serious malfunction in the vehicles safety systems, and the vehicle should not be driven, let alone purchased.

    Modern engines work hard. Because of this, they tend to get hot and frequently blow their top, especially if the engine has been overheated or run without fresh antifreeze. Head gaskets may be very expensive to fix and if left unfixed youll probably end up broken down at the side of the road. Worse, blown head gaskets sometimes lead to total engine failure.

    The symptoms of a blown head gasket are mysterious coolant loss, sometimes accompanied by rough running and overheating, clouds of white steam coming from the exhaust, oil in the water, water in the oil, and/or white goo under the oil filler cap (see picture opposite). You should also lift out the oil dipstick. If the oil is the colour of the white goo in the middle of the oil filler cap in the picture, you have a cracked cylinder head and/or blown head gasket. You should also be suspicious about any vehicle with a heater that leaks coolant into the interior of the car. A leaking heater is sometimes a symptom of a head gasket problem. So is a blown or leaking radiator or its hoses.

    Blown head gasket warning

    ABS & airbag warning

    Automatic transmission warning Automatic transmissions that do not shift smoothly during a test drive are probably not long of this earth. Also, with the vehicle at normal operating temperature (so that the engine is not idling too fast) put the handbrake on and try switching the gear selector between forward and reverse this should happen quickly and smoothly without any clunk if not, suspect big repair bills in the near future.

    Note: the advice below may not apply on some modern cars, because there may be no dipstick to check. For further information, see our articles on automatic transmis-sions and CVT transmissions in the links page (one page back).

    With the transmission in neutral and the engine running at normal operating temperature, lift out the transmission dipstick, wipe it clean, put it back in and then remove it again. The automatic transmission fluid should be a happy cherry red colour & should be within the marked area on the transmission dipstick if its not, abuse and/or neglect is pretty likely and the vehicle should be avoided!