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E-Mails S-001 through S-049S-001. from Tom Mahood regarding anti-matter, remote-viewing, unannounced nuclear testsS-002. from Tom Mahood regarding gravity waves, “standing orders” regarding UFOsS-003. from Tom Mahood regarding Nikola Tesla, Bob Lazar, Bill Uhouse, Stan DeyoS-004. from Tom Mahood regarding Jack Sarfatti & Philip CorsoS-005. from UNITEL regarding their website & technological developmentsS-006. from Dr. Richard Boylan regarding UNITEL S-007. from United Nuclear (owned by Bob Lazar) regarding UNITELS-008. from SMiles Lewis regarding UNITELS-009. from SMiles Lewis regarding Sarfatti, Puthoff, Herbert, BarnesS-010. from Bob King regard the Philadelphia ExperimentS-011. from Bob King (follow-up to email #10)S-012. from Bob King (follow-up to email #11)S-013. from the “Time Enforcement Commission (TEC)” (Argentina-based) regarding their time travel circuit schematicsS-014. from Diego H. Fernandez del Prado (of the “TEC”) (arrived at the same time as email #13)S-015. from Dr. Richard Boylan regarding claims of the “Time Enforcement Commission”S-016. from Dr. Arkadiusz Jadczyk regarding UNITEL’s claimsS-017. from Alexandra “Chica” Bruce regarding information passed on to meS-018. from Laura Knight-Jadczyk regarding UNITEL (she sent this additional reply to #16) S-019. from Alexandra “Chica” Bruce regarding the email (#18) I received from Laura Knight-JadczykS-020. from Dr. Richard Boylan concerning exotic pulse-wave weaponsS-021. from “Harla Quinn” regarding ‘Peter Moon’ and other Montauk stuffS-022. from “Harla Quinn” (regarding the follow-up email I sent in response to email #21)S-023. from “Harla Quinn” (regarding the follow-up email I sent in response to email #22)S-024. from the “Montauk Project Center” webmaster (Marshall Barnes?) regarding releasing information on the InternetS-025. from Dr. Richard Boylan regarding if he had heard of Col. Tom Bearden and his treatises on

EM/Scalar weaponry

S-026. from Larry Maurer of UNITEL regarding their progress in building the HOLO-1 prototypeS-027. from Larry Maurer of UNITEL regarding another company's claim of achieving anti-gravityS-028. from Jack Sarfatti regarding UNITEL's announcement to sell stockS-029. from Larry Maurer of UNITEL regarding Sarfatti's skepticismS-030. from Jack Sarfatti regarding my response to his criticism of UNITELS-031. from Kathryn Sullivan (forwarded by Jack Sarfatti) apparently agreeing with Saratti's appraisalS-032. from Larry Maurer of UNITEL in response to my email informing him of all the sites where I posted the newsS-033. from Larry Maurer of UNITEL regarding UNITEL's contacts with investment teamsS-034. from Gary Ford regarding my reply to a short question he emailed meS-035. from Larry Maurer of UNITEL regarding my recent experiences with skepticsS-036. from Larry Maurer of UNITEL regarding a possible business match with a "Time Travel" organizationS-037. from Larry Maurer of UNITEL regarding Joe Firmage, Tom Bearden, unknown businessesS-038. from Larry Maurer of UNITEL regarding the "plasma" aspects of their crystalline laser lensS-039. from Larry Maurer of UNITEL regarding strange twists of fateS-040. from Larry Maurer of UNITEL regarding his UFO sighting and its influence on the UNITEL designS-041. from Larry Maurer of UNITEL (follow-up to #40)

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S-042. from Larry Maurer of UNITEL regarding his sighting report sent to the U.S. UFO IRCS-043. from Bruce Maccabee regarding UFO physics and "real physics"S-044. from Larry Maurer of UNITEL referring to a response he received from Bruce MaccabeeS-045. from Larry Maurer of UNITEL regarding how they conceived the idea for their patentS-046. from Larry Maurer of UNITEL regarding a graphic he made of the cigar-shaped UFOS-047. from Larry Maurer of UNITEL regarding "Prototype 1-A"S-048. from Larry Maurer of UNITEL regarding using their "smartskin" to bend/absorb radar signalsS-049. from Larry Maurer of UNITEL regarding kickbacks to secure government funding

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S-001. from Tom Mahood regarding anti-matter, remote-viewing, unannounced nuclear tests

From: [email protected] (Tom Mahood)Date: Sat., Nov. 28, 1998, 7:53pm (EST-3)To: [email protected]: Re: unannounced nuclear test & anti-matter

Mark :

> I read Darlington’s book. I remember hearing on national radio news about an unannounced nuclear test in Nevada. I only hear it once. It was around the time that Lazar claims. I never heard of Lazar until I saw his model kit in a Hills department store a couple of years ago. Not knowing any better, I thought it had something to do with the neutron bomb which had just been introduced about a year earlier. (I hope I’m right on that, my memory is not too good here.) So regardless of what the U.S. Geological Center (or whatever) told you, I know I hear that announced on the news.

There were literally hundreds of unannounced tests over the years. The thing is, they’ve ALL now been announced retroactively. There weren’t any other tests out there other than what has been accounted for. Lazar made the mistake of incorporating certain elements into his story that couldn’t be checked at the time, but late became freely available to the public. (I’m thinking of the Russian satellite photos and also the announcement of the unannounced tests.)

> Also I read a short news item in our Sunday newspaper years about “the giggle factor concerning anti-matter” was finally over for mainstream scientists. It didn’t say much more. I thought maybe they succeeded in producing this stuff in an accelerator and then finding some way to store it. Again this was before I ever heard of Lazar and Element-115.

Anti-matter is certainly producible. But the energy requirements are huge!

> I would be interested if you would apply your perfected “Lazar treatment” (how Darlington described it in “the Dreamland Chronicles” to the claims made by Preston Nichols and Peter Moon in their Montauk Project / Philadelphia Experiment books (Sky Books). Just search for “Preston Nichols” and you will find lots of links.

I don’t know much other than I’ve heard the names.

> Do you think remote viewers like David Morehouse are credible tools to investigate wild claims like those of Corso and Lazar? His book seemed a little more down-to-earth than that of Courtney Brown’s.

I think remote-viewing is a quite valuable tool. I’ve personally seen it work. However there are a number of flakes out there that give it a bad name. Morehouse is one; Brown is another; and there’s also Ed Dames, the head flake. There are some excellent viewers like Joe McMoneagle and Lyn Bucanon. I’d put a fair amount of weight on what they say.

Tom

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S-002. from Tom Mahood regarding gravity waves, “standing orders” on UFOs

From: [email protected] (Tom Mahood)Date: Sun, Nov 29, 1998, 7:52am (EST-3)To: [email protected]: Re: misc

At 01:24 PM 11/28/98-0500, you wrote:

> During my graduate years I was married and my wife was best-of-friends with another secretary. In due course I became good friends with her husband Jim, who was a history major. After graduation, he was accepted into Naval flight school and soon was flying A-4s & A-7s off carriers. We took a vacation once and visited Jim & Leslie down in Florida. He was so enthusiastic about his career and wanted me to see where he worked. He took all of us to his base (I think it was in Jacksonville) and made me sit in an A-7. He was showing off its smart-bomb capability. While we were there, I asked him about the Bermuda Triangle. It took him all of 15 seconds to say that as far as he was concerned there was nothing to it. He had flown over it numerous times as well as other pilots that he know and nothing out-of-the-ordinary happened.

That’s a reasonable response. He’s probably quite right.

> I also asked him about UFOs. He answered in a tone that I perceived as genuine (if not disinterested) that Yes, they exist and are up there all-the-time. They never bother him and his other pilots and they in turn don’t bother the UFOs. Remember we were friends for a long time and I couldn’t read any signs that he bs-ing me. His tone seemed genuine but in an uncaring manner.

I have heard this also. I have heard there are standing “orders” (actual or understood, I don’t know) that these things aren’t to be messed with. Just keep an eye on them.

> How your physicist reviewer explained “gravity waves” (as opposed to Lazar’s theories) seemed to coincide with the engineering professor father of the missing Taylor Kramer. I saw him on a Missing Person segment of America’s Most Wanted. His father said they were trying to get a mathematical handle around using “unstable gravity waves” to communicate with any point in the universe within a second as opposed to 20 billion years. I still have that on video tape if you want a copy. Does that have to do with quantum “duplication” where a replica of a photo appears somewhere else as its original disappears? Kramer is from your neck of the woods. Was he a quack or is still a mystery with possible implications to national security?

One surprising thing I found out when I went back for my Master’s in Physics was that someone could have a PhD in Physics and still be a complete nut! I was absolutely amazed to discover that. There’s also the saying that “theories are like assholes … everyone has one.” That seems particularly appropriate as there are literally dozens and dozens of theories on how gravity works -- most being conveniently untestable. But there are always red flags to look for. One such flag is the “instant” transfer of information. It is possible to at least theoretically create “actions” that will occur superluminally, but no one’s been able to find a way to transfer information. It’s a good (but not certain) bet they never will.

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S-003. from Tom Mahood regarding Jack Sarfatti and Col. Corso

From: Tom Mahood<[email protected]>To: [email protected]: Re: you probably don't remember me …Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 10:27:42-0800

> After reading Darlington's book, I was impressed with your conservative views and emailed you concerning some things I had overheard (e.g., my college friend who went on to be a Navy A-7 pilot and said he was ordered not to interfere with any UFOs he saw). I know you found Lazar and Uhouse to be less than 100% credible to-say-the-least. I'm wondering if some of that stuff isn't correct [afterall]. {note: Bill Uhouse aka "Jarod 2" claimed to have worked on a UFO simulator for over a decade in conjunction with the back-engineering effort.}

Lazar -- I now know for a fact -- was lying about the whole thing. I have talked at length with someone (who for fear of reprisal has to remain nameless) who was in Lazar's circle when this whole thing went down, and they filled me in on the details. All lies, but just enough truth to make it sound plausible. I just don't waste any more time with Lazar.

Uhouse is another story. To this day I don't know just who or what he was. Without going into details, he has a VERY spooky background. What I accidentally found suggests he was involved with some sort of government entity, perhaps the CIA. I doubt his story, as told, is legit, as he started embracing elements of Lazar's, which I know to be false. It may be that he was feeding out misinformation to keep us Groom Lake types chasing wild geese. I doubt he's a nut. When he dies, I may put all the stuff I have on him out. It's much more thorough than Lazar's. I'd do it now, but he was always friendly to me, and I sort of like the guy.

> In his book, Corso said that the Roswell debris suggested the craft was controlled more by thought than by conventional controls. Preston Nichols and Peter Moon said these psychotronic mind-machine technologies were discovered in the Philadelphia Experiment and developed at Montauk. I've read where time travel doesn't violate any of the laws of physics. It's just highly improbable until exotic matter is found or an enormously large energy source can be developed. Dr. Jack Sarfatti (never one to be timid enough to step out on a shaky theoretical limb) seems to echo this point.

Depends which physicist you read. Hawking doesn't like the idea of time travel at all, and seems to think there's something at work he calls "chronology protection". Who knows for sure?! As for exotic matter (aka "negative mass"), its development may not be as far off as is commonly believed. As for Corso, I can't get a handle on him. Some of his stuff is obviously very wrong. Yet he tells a coherent story. He sort of reminds me of Uhouse …

> Did you ever check out the Montauk/Nichols legend, applying what Darlington described as the "Mahood treatment" you did to Lazar and Uhouse?

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I looked at it briefly long ago and decided it was probably wacky stuff. When you've looked at enough of these things, you develop the ability to tell -- just from "feel" -- which has any basis in reality. I'm not sure I can describe what specifically seems wrong about stories like these. It's just that they do. That's not a very solid argument, though …

> Did you ever hear of a fellow named Stan Deyo? He seems a little more down-to-earth and delves into the technology more. But he is on some evangelical crusade and that caused me to back off a little. I don't think the governments in the world are that smart to conceive some super-secret all-controlling government. I remember you telling me you were amazed at how someone can have a Ph.D. and still be an absolute nut. Didn't people regard Tesla as a nut who despite his formal education just happened to be good at electronics? I think he claimed to have communications with Mars and was clairvoyant or something.

Yeah, I looked at Deyo's stuff and he's definitely a nut! His science sucks. Bases in the Antarctica …!

You are right about Tesla. Some folks thought he was nuts. And he probably was! Most truly creative folks are somewhat crazy. The question is are they 'right'? In Tesla's case, he was correct about a number of things. But not all. In some instances, he wasn't even in the same ballpark. In other cases, he was dead-on. With Tesla, you have to proceed with caution.

Tom

S-004. from Tom Mahood regarding Jack Sarfatti and Col. Corso

From : Tom Mahood <[email protected]> To : [email protected] : Re: Jack Sarfatti validates Corso Date : Mon, 19 Jun 2000 19:13:02 -0700

Mark :

> Although I can't follow the math, Sarfatti (& others) seem to validate the claims made by Corso. Check the article at http://www.qedcorp.com/Q/Qship.html . Page 1 and 15 in particular. Apparently recent advance in quantum theories (such as Hawkings quantum cosmology resurrecting Everett-Wheeler's "Many Worlds") are bridging the gap between metaphysical consciousness and the physical universe, perhaps explaining such things as "remote viewing". Something called nano-engineering of high-temperature ceramics is a big technological player in this field.

Sarfatti is a bright guy. But he wanders off into many tangents and is frequently wrong. It's sometimes hard to notice with all the appropriate buzzwords he spouts and names he likes to drop. But I like him and find him entertaining. I just look at what he says with some skepticism. I am quite aware of the Modanese work and while interesting, I wouldn't give it too much weight as there are some fundamental basic-physics sort of problems with it. I'm also aware of Schnurr's work and it's mostly a joke in my opinion. The guy's an amateur experimenter at best.

> Other contributors in this site include Hal Puthoff whom I'm sure you heard of, noted for his early involvement in establishing remote viewing training and lately for his efforts in trying to

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"mine" ZPE. (Some UFO proponents have claimed Puthoff has gone "over to the other side" -- the infamous "Aviary" -- with the likes of Friedman and Vallee.

I know Puthoff and this "Aviary" business is an amusing joke to him. He's a sharp guy with some government intelligence connections. But people read far more into it that it deserves. Hal hasn't gone over to the "other side". But he is looking around for something that works. When I hear he's stopped looking, then I'll start paying attention.

I think the bulk of what Corso has in his book is a lot of BS that conflicts with already fairly well known facts. True, he was who he said he was. Everything obvious checks, but there are other items that don't check. I really don't know what to make of him. But I certainly wouldn't give what he says any weight in figuring out how saucers fly.

There is so much BS out there that it's often hard to filter it.

Tom

S-005. from UNITEL regarding their website & technological developments

From : Larry Maurer <[email protected]> To : [email protected] : Re: redesigned web site Date : Tue, 5 Sep 2000 10:23:55 -0700

At 09:05 AM 09/05/2000 EDT, you wrote:

> Dear Sirs -- Your previous web site was outstanding! I look forward to the next version with great anticipation. I wasn't too clear on what the objectives of your Prototype I-A were. Were you trying to create an "inter-dimensional" hole using a smaller >apparatus than the ones used at Montauk?

Initially, first and foremost, we will be using the Prototype-1-A for the purpose of the application of the quantum computer design- HOLO-1. This is the first most obvious marketable item. We have our software and hardware team ready to start and the time to market is more than ripe. Seems everybody has a QC design these days, however, no one has worked the bugs out of their system, and is ready to market their QC as we are. We expect that funding of our aerospace propulsion system will soon follow.

> Or was this a more sophisticated "Egg" than the one allegedly created by the Incunabulist cult?

No cult. Just half of the IAA-IAF design crowd. One has to believe in MQT and FTL observer dependant laws in our favor. Lots of skeptics but let’s face it. Either the ship has to be FTL and able to perform MQT or it is impossible to traverse the vastness of outer-space to the distant perhaps habitable planets.

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This can be done because believe it-or-not our design emanated from sightings by us (one from 10 ft. awa!) in Eugene, OR 1982 and witnessed by hundreds of citizens including the EPD. So no one can tell us that our design doesn't work. We are the "cigar type" and have no idea whence they came from. But the capability is clear after 18 yrs of study: MQT via multi-bodied system (atomic nucleus and orbiting electrons) or single small vehicle with particle pair dynamics (ship and hole connected by spring-like structure [light-string] ).

> The description of your proposed interstellar craft fit right in with what I've learned. The "smart skin" derives from what they found in the Roswell debris. I had learned about the importance of geometry from writings of K. Sohrawardi and others. Corso speculated the Roswell craft members became part of the circuit. Lazar said that everything seem to be in "symphony" with other parts -- man & machine were almost "one". Corso thought the pilots might have been artificially engineered because of the absence of foodstuffs. Perhaps your design is an improvement which would eliminate that concern.>> I'm still wrestling with "time travel" versus "interdimensional travel". I'm aware that Einstein's equations permit time travel but that some sort of "exotic matter" and subsequent violation of the AWEC is necessary. Exponents of the Philadelphia Experiment/Montauk Project maintain the time travel is being done. Didn't Oberth speculate that the alien disks were more akin to a "time machine"?

Able to go into 5-11 dimensions to perform MQT in space-time. Take your pick: Time or Space. Similar to E & M, E & H, vectors.

> And I think Corso said in the NBC DATELINE interview that the only other time he saw a crashed disc >was when a "time machine" was involved. Lazar said that another project at S4 involved the physics of looking (or going?) back in time (or forward in time, violating causality?).

Not in 5-11 dimensions. They seem to disappear into thin air (like tunneling electron across Josephson junction or tunneling barrier). However, they don't. The ship becomes a wave in higher dimensions and merely "moves" out of this dimension to another location in 4D space-time.

> But the discussion about quantum tunneling (like Barnes thought might have happened to the ship when it became so immersed in these static & rotating/counter-rotating fields that it behaved as a giant electron) and Lazar's "folding" of space seems to imply interdimensional rather than time travel. This is backed-up somewhat by remote-viewing of other worlds (not necessarily 'alternate' worlds or in another 'time line'). Didn't Thorne &co. publish a solution along these lines (similar to the famous Einstein-NathanRosen bridge) to Sagan's request on how to achieve interstellar travel without violating the Einstein limit, and Sagan incorporate these results into his novel/movie "Contact"?

Seems so indeed. But that's not where we got our ideas. Completely separate. Like Yoshinari Minami's spaceship design. Similar but independent.

> However Hawking's new "quantum cosmology" theory has resurrected Everett/Wheeler "Alternate Worlds". I think some of the recent experiments in photon-photon "communication" over long distances has also contributed to a re-analysis of this. Herbert, Sarfatti, Puthoff {is he an 'Aviary" member now), Gell-Mann and others have been trying to develop what they call "Post-"quantum physics which encompasses "meta"physics and leads

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to other worlds considerations. (And perhaps explaining what Corso couldn't about the mysterious "headbands" guiding the alien ship.) AIL radar engineer & Montauk principal Nichols maintains he was living a dual existence at the SAME time while working his normal job and his Montauk research. This implies alternate worlds. Nichols says "time travel" was one of the principal areas of research. So now you have time travel coupled with alternate worlds. Which leads to the different time (or world) lines [didn't Gamow entitle his autobiography something like "My World Line?]. Then rumors that "all the time machines" are supposed to quit around 2003, and an "Alternative 3"-like effort has been ongoing to avoid an unpreventable catastrophe that will occur around 2012.>> So I'm still fumbling around with whether your prototype is opening up a "wormhole" (via tunneling), or going to an alternate world, or achieving time travel (in "this" world or an "alternate" world). Recent experiments in gravity-reduction using rare earth elements and superconductivity have appeared. Perhaps your choice of a hull material explains the ceramic material Corso examined. (Didn't Lazar say the back-engineering effort was an attempt to use readily available EARTH materials? I still don't know where they got all that 115. And I'm worried a little about the Teller "super-bomb". It seems like the engineering breakthroughs that created small warheads by minimized subatomic particles escaping from the chain reaction was used in this matter-antimatter suitcase-size device. What is the intent of this weapon? If space had an atmosphere to propagate a shock wave, it would be a perfect asteroid "killer".)>> I know they have man-made non-interstellar discs along the lines that Deyo and others have proposed. They're big and require a lot of power. I can see where the 115 would come in handy for that. I don't know why the apparatus blew up when they tried to open it. I thought Steve Wilson (from "Pounce") said the secret was some sort of hardened crystal (which might explain all the crystal-growing experiments in space). I once asked Tom Mahood why you would need a "ufo" if you could generate a "time" or "interdimensional" tunnel? He never answered me on that one. Rumors have it that IBM has been doing this sort of experimentation for a while. (Indeed wasn't Sohrawardi an IBM researcher who "strayed from the flock"?) They had some sort of quantum tunneling ad in "Scientific American" which appeared with an adjoining ad for Hungarian goulash. 'Hungary' is special because of the scientists from that country (Teller, von Newman, Szilard, etc.) that were so ahead of their time they were dubbed the "Men from Mars". In Darlington's book a theory was proposed that a "language" of a race of aliens became Hungarian. (And Tesla often claimed communication with Mars. But Ramanujan was "normal" because his inspirations came from the the goddess of Namakkal.) I had a job offer once from Battelle Institute. I had never heard of them before. They said their charter prohibited from advertising publicly. I also had a job offer from IBM's old Federal Systems when they moved from Westlake Village to Boulder. I didn't realize either that they were involved that heavily in that type of covert work. They also told me they and their clients found it best to keep that information 'quiet'. So it wouldn't surprise me if IBM wasn't doing research in this area. Maybe they could be parceling out parts to companies such as your's???

We have the perfect weapon. Sit outside the targeted area with robot smaller vehicles, unlimited ceiling, acceleration and maneuvering. No satellite is safe, etc. He who controls the air...... A fter all, our system is totally EM. We could CHIRP an EMP burst and stop all electronic devices within miles. What does a 2,000 lb. canary say? Chirp!!!

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> The upshot of all this is that although I remain confused on how everything fits together and what parts of still science-fiction, your site was the first PUBLIC notice that seem to affirm what I and others have been suspecting all along. You can thank Marshall Barnes for putting me on to you. BEST OF LUCK !!! WHAT A FASCINATING JOB !!!>> -- Mark

S-006. from Dr. Richard Boylan regarding UNITEL

From: "Richard J. Boylan, Ph.D."<[email protected]>To: <[email protected]>Subject: Re: UNITEL web siteDate: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 07:48:31-0700

----- Original Message ------

> Dr. Boylan --> I've been bouncing back-and-forth between the Roswell-related stuff, remote-viewing and MK-Ultra mind control, and the Philadelphia Experiment/Montauk Project/Incunabula they are all related somehow. Post-quantum lectures by Sarfatti, Herbert, Puthoff seem to point to a way. Marshall Barnes made reference to a UNITEL company and gave their web site www.unitelnw.com . It was a great web site . Among …

When I went to the UNITEL site, it said it was down for reconstruction. Everything is related at the post-quantum physics level. That does not argue for a demonstrated relationship between Roswell (TRUE), remote viewing (TRUE), and the mythical Philadelphia Project (which is so over-layered with disinformation and myth by Bielek and Nichols that the truth -- if any -- may never be known.

> their projects was the first interstellar craft. Apparently it works by macroscopic quantum tunneling (what Barnes thinks happened to the naval ship during the P-X). The "smart skin" layers embedded in the synthetic blue diamond hull is cutting-edge.

Perhaps. But can it fly now?

> Anyway, they apparently are upgrading their site. I sent an email and it received the attached response. They evaded some of my questions concerning Montauk, Element-115, the years 2003 and 2012 AD. But apparently they have some of Herbert's old crowd on their design team. Though you'd be interested. (Which I could have a job there … !)

I have no facts about this alleged company. When they have something that has been shown to fly using field propulsion or space-time bending, then I'd be interested.

Good Wishes,Richard Boylan, Ph.D.

Richard Boylan, Ph.D., LLCPost Office Box 22310, Sacramento, CA 95822Phone: (916) 422-7479 (PDT)

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E-mail: [email protected] Website: http://www.jps.net/drboylan/

S-007. from United Nuclear (owned by Bob Lazar) regarding UNITEL

From : United Nuclear <[email protected]>To : [email protected] : Re: UNITEL web site (thought Bob might be interested)Date : Wed, 13 Sep 2000 14:23:19 -0700

> I was forwarded to the UNITEL site (www.unitelnw.com) in a Marshall Barnes' chat dealing with the Philadelphia Experiment/Montauk Project/Incunabula/remote-viewing....

Hi Mark :

Although Bob Lazar does own United Nuclear, he is almost never here and does not receive email here. Just FYI, he hates the topic of UFO & related stuff like Black Projects, etc. He is currently in New Mexico working on his missile base. See http://www.terraform.org/

-Steve

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S-008. from S. Miles Lewis regarding UNITEL

From : SMiles Lewis <[email protected]> To : <[email protected]> Subject : Re: UNITEL web site Date : Mon, 09 Oct 2000 23:22:59 -0700

on 9/6/00 5:16 AM, [email protected] wrote:

> I came across an article posted by you while doing a web search. You might be interested in this. I emailed UNITEL ( http://www.unitelnw.com ) with some questions. They are the only "public" company that I have found that is admitting to a design of an interstellar craft (based on macroscopic quantum tunneling that was allegedly done in the Philadelphia Experiment, the Montauk Project, and by the Incunabula cult). Their layman's schematics &discussions were fascinating and quite believable. They didn't answer all of my questions. I have no reason to doubt off-hand what they did say in their response. It coincides with other

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sources. Unfortunately if you didn't see their original web site, their reply to me won't be as impressive. There are so many paranormal phenomena out there. UFOs, time travel, remote-viewing, alternate worlds, ghosts, etc. New advances in post-Quantum theory (as popularized by Dr. Jack Sarfatti http://www.stardrive.org , http://www.issso.org/inbox/ , http://www.qedcorp.com/pcr/pcr/ufo.html ) hold promise of bringing all these subjects under one "theoretical umbrella". (I don't like Glen Campbell anymore, but he did publish a neat list of "disinformers" at http://www.ufomind.com/misc/1997/dec/d16-002.shtml ) This is just a hobby pursuit of mine. I'm not a "quack", die-hard believer, or hardened skeptic. Thought you might be interested >> Mark

Thanks for the info. I too am interested in things like the incunabula information and FTL, hyperspatial travel technology research.

If you come across any more good information please don't hesitate to email me.

BTW- I am hosting a UFO conference around this time next year here in Austin Texas. I will soon have a web site up at http://www.nufoc.net detailing information about this National UFO Conference.

SMileswww.elfis.net

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S-009. from S.Miles Lewis regarding Jack Sarfatti, NickHerbert, HalPuthoff, Marshall Barnes

From : SMiles Lewis <[email protected]> To : [email protected] : Re: P.S. -- Sarfatti, Herbert, Puthoff ... Date : Tue, 10 Oct 2000 08:34:51 -0700

on 10/10/00 4:23 AM, [email protected] wrote:

> P.S. Dr. Jack Sarfatti describes himself as a "rogue physicist". He and others are trying to develop "post-quantum" (Modanese???) physics. It brings under one mathematical umbrella mainstream physics as well as remote-viewing, quantum teleportation, conscious thought etc. He and Nick Herbert (of Incunabula fame) and Nobel Laureate Murray Gell-Mann regularly exchange ideas and sometimes these get posted. Puthoff is frequently mentioned also. Sarfatti seems to be interested in applying these new theories to the man/mind psychotronics guidance of the UFOs but perhaps is still leaning toward the Thorne/Sagan wormholes to achieve interstellar travel.

UNITEL's Maurer says Macroscopic quantum tunneling does the same thing and is probably more easily achievable. I've read where wormhole-traversing would require exotic matter and "negative" energy ("Hyperspace"-Michio Kaku). Sarfatti's sites are interesting reading and can be found at http://www.qedcorp.com/pcr/pcr.ufo.html http://www.stardrive.org http://www.isso.org/inbox/ .

I emailed Dr. Sarfatti once about his take on the Philadelphia Experiment and Montauk Project. His short reply was it was almost impossible to conclusively investigate legends/myths such as these but he would pass my question on to someone else. I never heard anymore.

Tom Mahood was a contributor to David Darlington's Area 51 - the Dreamland Chronicles. Tom has drawn criticism for being voicing his educated disbelief in certain things (while never saying what he does believe in). I have exchanged a few emails with him. On some subjects like Marshall Barnes and the Incunabula and Montauk, he refuses to even

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acknowledge my questions. On others he is "vintage" Tom. Regarding Sarfatti, Tom said he was a bright guy who tends to get off on too many "tangents". When I asked Tom is Puthoff was a member of the Aviary, Tom said he and Hal had shared many a laugh over those accusations. He said Hal is still looking for something novel and breakthrough. Tom said he is always watching Hal and when Hal "goes" so will he. You figure it out. Tom also said he (some a surprise) that he believes in remote-viewing and had it demonstrated for him to his satisfaction. He thinks that David Morehouse, Courtney Brown, and Ed Dames are "flakes" but has much respect for Lyn Bucanon and especially Joe McMoneagle. (Morehouse had an interesting article in NEXUS magazine at http://www.nexusmagazine.com/psispy1.html .)

I've also exchanged some emails with Dr. Richard Boylan whose collection of postings can be found at http://jps.net/drboylan . Dr. Boylan had never heard of UNITEL before and said that "well if they ever end up building this fantasy device, let me know so I can witness its launch". Sometimes I think hardened investigators don't trust anything but what they have been researching themselves.

Don't get me wrong. I like Dr. Broylan. I feel that in UNITEL's case he was a bit quick to jump to (the wrong) conclusions. And I like Tom Mahood also although I think he knows a lot more than he's telling. He told me an email that one of the things that amazed him when he returned to school to get his Master's in physics was that "you could have a Ph.D. in the subject and still be an absolute NUT!"

I'm sure you've read the Barnes' PX chat archives at http://users.cihost.com/ata/chat99.htm . Marshall complains about the "alleged" Incunabula crowd not getting in touch with him and yet I've found it impossible to track Marshall himself down. I sent some stuff to the Montauk Project website hoping it will get forwarded to him.

In summary, I find myself leaning more toward the quantum tunneling explanation of interstellar travel like UNITEL proposed in their old web site. I think that's what happened to the Eldridge and that is more easily achieved than trying to generate wormholes. Now how you "navigate" and designate your "destination" is another matter. Perhaps they learned some of that by using the remote-viewers at Montauk. The secrets of that probably lie in the upper level of the crafts that were denied access to Lazar and are what Sarfatti is trying to mathematically describe.>> -- Mark

Thanks for all the info and insights.

I site pretty squarely on the fence about things like Montauk and the Philadelphia Experiment. Just like the incunabula stuff, the authors/researchers have undoubtedly wound fiction into the telling of some possible truths. Its just a matter of how PROBABLE those truths are - of course if you take the incunabula perspective there are a SLIDERS spectrum of other earths we can get slip out of here and go to there with. I think the Incunabula stuff is much higher-brow literary work than the Montauk or P-X stuff. But that is an aesthetic choice and critical literary perspective.

Hal as you know has published on engineering the vacuum for space travel and has made other suggestions that his ZPE research could impact everything from energy production, to 'space' travel, to chi / prana / kundalini concepts of the energetics of the body, mind and universe. But all this is speculative.

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I guess you take a lot more of the UFO ideas out there more seriously than I do. I think my fence-straddling sometimes hinders my ability to connect some of the potential dots the way you have below and in previous posts. I think people like Lazar are usually being led/misled - whether or not anything like what they claim could be true becuz it certainly COULD. So in that way I think you have perhaps a better speculative overview down one probability path than I do.

Please do send me that old UNITEL site text. I am not as up on my physics as most of my friends tho.

My email friend Eugenia Macer-Story has written for my site including comments about the 'shadowy' Marshall Barnes and his claims. She emails me with her part of the dialogue on the Sarfatti e-lists which features a huge variety of physicists and spook types. Her most recent site is devoted to her ideas and is here: http://www.fluidice.com

Talk with you soon. BTW - what part of the country are you in? I am down here in Austin, Texas,

SMiles

S-010. from Bob King regarding the Philadelphia Experiment

From : bob king <[email protected]> To : [email protected] : Re: Philadelphia Experiment Date : Sat, 2 Dec 2000 10:33:32 +1300

Hello Mark ,

Saturday, December 02, 2000, 1:03:00 AM, you wrote:

> I am responding to your message posting concerning more info about the Philadelphia Experiment.

Much to my surprise, quite a lot have done so. I will add the file I have on the subject to the end of this. I want you to understand that I have no special interest -- just a passing one -- in this issue and certainly do not intend to make money out of what I happen to know which came about by chance. I am not at this time willing to disclose how I came to know but assure you that it was pure chance and happened many years ago just after WW2.

> I started out with an interest in UFOs and had heard about the P-X but didn't investigate it more until I came across the Montauk Project.

Ah yes … Montauk!

> Then Lazar's stuff came out about Area S-4.

No comment.

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> I have always been troubled by "whistle-blowers" trying to profit greatly from what they claim are government conspiracies. You would think morality and patriotism would be above such stuff. But even Stanton Friedman suppresses info until you buy one of his books or CDs.

Most of the stuff written by several authors on this issue has no real clue as to the reality of what happened that day in Sept 1943. I am not sure I would call it a government. conspiracy. But certainly the Governments of Britain and the USA have been very quiet on this issue as they made a terrible blunder by destroying the evidence but under the pressure of the war it is understandable.

> I came across a P-X archive chat (http://users.cihost.com/ata/chat99.htm ) featuring Marshall Barnes. He put me on to a private company called UNITEL. Their original website was outstanding. Their patent revolved around a unique laser crystal lens that would make possible quantum computers, targeting single cells with proton beams, and interstellar transportation

The above two words are the crux of the whole issue as you will understand when you read my file below.

> … emailed them (never expecting a reply) and was astonished when I received a response from the co-holder of their generic patent.

Their patent on this is only valid because the other one expired. Ref; Check the website on Nicola Tesla.

> He didn't answer all my questions, but what he said was certainly mind-boggling. But it always bothered me why he would reveal such stuff to a total stranger on the internet?

I haven't as yet opened the file attached. Until I get my expert computer friend around, I am reluctant to do so after getting caught with virus attachments in the past. I will get to it later and keep your address on file.

> Did you know that the Montauk Project homepage has been shut down for months now (supposedly waiting on some password software) and that Nichols/Moon's site (...world-famousMontauk...) is inaccessible? That seems strange ...

Yes, I know about the above and also know why. According to the U.S. Govt., the Montauk Project was shut down years ago. This is a lie. They are also trying to suppress the knowledge that Nichols has as he is one of the few who actually knows what he is on about.

The Philadelphia Experiment

This experiment was conducted in 1943 under the control and direction of Nicola Tesla(1856-1943). The U.S.A. had entered the World War on the side of the Allies and many experiments relating to possible uses of unknown and untested theories were being tried at the time to give the Allies a distinct advantage over the German war machine which appeared unstoppable.

Tesla was a brilliant scientist in his own right and although he discovered many of the things we use today without even thinking of who discovered them and demonstrated how they could

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be used to the advantage of our civilization, his name although known and is not linked to many things for which he was completely or partially responsible. (The main one being the electric current we all use in our homes today.)

Much of his earlier work was enhanced/developed by Charles Steinmetz. Tesla invented and built many curious "machines" most of which are still not understood. Ref. Montauk 1946 onwards.) This site -- in spite of official comments denying that it is still in operation -- will give you some more info on the issue (a lot of which is not correct because the Govt. has restricted outgoing info, it has all been censored).

The Philadelphia Experiment was based around one of his (Tesla) devices with which he convinced the U.S. authorities that he could transmit matter from one place to another instantaneously. He had done a lot of work on this project because he and others realized that such a device would revolutionize transportation around the World.

His original demonstration of the device was positive to some extent in that it appeared to work but could not be controlled. After more work on the project, he convinced the powers that be that he could control it and the result was the experiment conducted aboard the USS Eldridge off the coast of eastern U.S.A. The project was given the code name 'Philadelphia'.

In the chaos of World War, he was given the ship and a skeleton crew of 26 and permission to test his project by transporting the ship and crew across the Atlantic ocean. The ship sailed under these conditions: The crew were only to run the ship and assist him if required. The apparatus was set up on the foredeck. Witnesses to what happened from the American side ( some of whom are still alive) said that the ship sailed to about 5 miles off the coast and simply disappeared.

According to newspaper reports, before the whole incident was classified(a few hours later), the newly-installed British radar picked up a reflection of an unknown object in the British channel just south of Portsmouth. 3 ships were immediately dispatched to investigate and found the USS Eldridge drifting. Because of the danger to other shipping and the fact that the British authorities had been notified to some extent of what was going on, the ship was boarded and taken in tow to the port of Southampton. The real problem was that when the ship was boarded, everyone (including Tesla) were found to be dead.

(Note: Tesla was reported to have died in a New York hotel before this time and just who is buried in his grave is not known. It certainly is not Tesla!)

It should also be noted that none of the ship engines were able to be used as all the electrical apparatus was burnt out. After some interchange of messages with America, the British firm 'Rotax' was called in to see if they could determine what had happened. Rotax was a company that worked on experimental projects and was based just outside of London.

The American Govt. issued the order to scuttle the ship, leaving everything and everyone on board. The British Govt. (Churchill) ordered the ship to be towed up to 'Scapa flow' and sunk. This order was carried out and that is where, unrecorded position' the ship rests today. The American authorities notified the crews’ families that their sons had died in battle.

It was also reported that later on, the USS Eldridge had been sold to Greece (1946). But in fact, the ship that was sold was not the Eldridge but a sister ship (un-named, built but never commissioned because the War had ended). In any case, it is well known worldwide that no

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sailor would sail in the Eldridge as sailors are very superstitious and there is no way a crew would be found in any country to sail a ship that had met such ill fortune.

Some of the above can be confirmed from the short interval between the ships arrival in the British channel and the suppression of all information a few hours later. The crew number (26) can be confirmed from the ships log, retained by the British and later returned to America. It also confirms that Tesla was on board and that the ships mission was Top-Secret although no details of the project are recorded in the log.

British records confirm that the ship was scuttled at an unrecorded spot in Scapa Flow. (This was the base for much of the British navy during the war and is located amoungst the Orkney Isles, north of Scotland) It is obvious from this that Tesla nearly achieved what he set out to do. The fact that a living organism could not -- at least by his method -- be instantaneously transported and still live was in a way a pity.

There are no copies of the apparatus he used as far as is known. It will be for some other genius of the future to re-invent. (Hopefully when this happens, it will not produce quite the same results relating to living beings).

Albert Einstein was a consultant to this experiment but did not take part himself. Isaac Asimov was present in the late 1930s when Tesla originally showed this experiment to several notable people. Asimov later wrote a short science-fiction story about the experiment called "The Billiard Ball".

If you have any further questions, feel free to contact me and if I KNOW the answer I will reply.

-- Regards, bob mailto:[email protected]

S-011. from Bob King (follow-up to previous email #10)

From : bob king <[email protected]> To : [email protected] : Re: thanks for your info ! Date : Mon, 4 Dec 2000 16:19:10 +1300

Hello Mark,

I have to apologize. My software won't quote your message when it comes thru from an Internet source. I am replying from having dumped it to the printer.

Thanks for the open file. I'll get at it soon.

I am not at all surprised that many of your questions were not answered. The reason for this is that they don't know the answers so they avoid them. If you accept what I sent you, you will also now know why. There are very few people who are interested in this subject or even know that the Experiment was 'matter transfer' and nothing to do with radar invisibility etc. I will go back to the site when I have time. But to be honest, most of it is rubbish.

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Most people are confused over all the stuff released about UFOs. This is deliberate government policy so that in the end, no one knows what to believe. (Not one of my major interests, but I keep an eye on the issue.) You may be interested to know that all the stuff recovered from the Area-51 UFO crash site has been transferred to the Australian Pine Gap installation. There is no way they could come up with an agreed document on these issues. I would just about guarantee that anyone you talk with on the site doesn't even know about the above fact (i.e., Pine Gap).

There is no one book and certainly no website that I know of that could be regarded as factual. Most of them are third and forth hand info. I would suggest that to start with (unless you have already done so), read (in order) A brief history of Time Hawking; then Stephen Hawking's Universe by Boslough. The last book tears Hawking apart.

Next read The nature of Space and Time by Hawking and Penrose. Next Achilles in the Quantum Universe by Morris followed by The Whole Shebang by Ferris.

If you get through that lot, then read The Man Who Invented the 20 th Century by Lomas. When you have finished, put all that info together with what you know and what you think you know and make up your own mind.

With ref. to Montauk sites on the web, you may as well forget them because they are either closed off or way out-of-date. (Montauk is still fully operational by the way.)

I am used to getting emails from some strange names and that’s okay. I use my proper name because I stand by the information I gave you (and others who asked). As to what Mahood thinks of some of the others, that is his personal right but doesn't make what HE says any more correct.

My knowledge of the Philadelphia Experiment comes from personal knowledge. I am 64 years old and was alive at the time and also when the news broke. Although I was young, it has always stayed with me. You can confirm some of what I told you by getting hold of the local papers from Portsmouth (England) covering the dates from the Sept 25, 1943 to Sept. 29. I think the Experiment occurred on the 27th but wouldn't swear to that date.

You could also see if you could get hold of any documents held by Rotax on the subject. But I doubt if you would have any success there.

I notice you didn't make any comments on what I told you which puzzled me somewhat. But whatever, that’s your choice. You can believe what you like because the issue is now so confused by so-called writers over the years that you can just about take your pick.

-- Regards, bob mailto:[email protected]

S-012. from Bob King (follow-up to original email #11)

From : bob king <[email protected]> To : [email protected] : Re: Date : Tue, 5 Dec 2000 10:12:23 +1300

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Hello Mark, ref. your last reply.

That's okay about your comments. But as for Xmas shopping, I gave that up years ago. I now give my grandchildren money to buy what they want instead of giving them something they don't really want in the first place.

Deyo is as bad as the rest of them with what he writes and -- as you say -- his mind has now tried to mix two subjects and it doesn't work.

On the issue of 2003, I will wait and see! (my mind remains open). There is some confirmation and consensus on the 2012 date. But this is tied to Nostradamus and the interpretation of his predictions. My own thoughts on this issue are that -- without tying it down to a date -- the civilization we enjoy at present is close to collapse and that date is as good as any others.

As far as Sitchin is concerned, he started off with the best intentions and then joined the other writers with concepts that no one could prove either way. Then he added in a lot of his own imagination. I do think, though, that we are not alone and so-called "aliens" have been among us for a long time. I have no proof of this -- just a personal concept.

I have no real set ideas about time-travel. Remember, though, that in a way the Philadelphia Experiment as I described it to you was a kind of "time travel".

Thanks for the book refs. Will see if the library has them and I have the time to read them.

If your job bores you, then you should be looking for something else!

-- Regards, bob mailto:[email protected]

S-013. from “Time Enforcement Commission” regarding their time travel circuit schematics

From : "T.E.C. - Time Enforcement Commission" <[email protected]> To : [email protected] : Re: are you guys for "real" ??? Date : Wed, 21 Feb 2001 22:19:37 -0600

----- Original Message -----

> From: <[email protected]>> To: <[email protected]>> Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2001 12:36 PM> Subject: are you guys for "real" ???> > Dear Sirs -->> I accidentally stumbled across your site while doing a web-search onthe "delta-T antenna". I have read much about UFOs and accounts of Lazar, Corso, Sarfatti, Puthoff, Boylan etc. Recently I've delved more in the Philadelphia Experiment and Montauk Projects. It started

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with Nichols & Moon, then later Bielek, then Marshall Barnes, the Incunabula, and the UNITEL corporation. I've even read some of the more "New Age"-y stuff along the lines of Bob Frissell. So I was able to "generally" follow what you were saying at http://comunidad.ciudad.com.ar/argentina/capital_federal/nandoherrera/main.htm . I know Mr. Barnes has claimed some success in his private labs on some of these psychotronic devices. But I was amazed at the diversity of all the different types of apparatus I saw at your site. The bottom line is (1) are you for "real" -- this isn't a joke to get people to spend money for something that won't 'work' , and (2) better yet, do you have a place where we could visit and experience some of the phenomena first-hand and then even purchase some equipment before we left (like listening to a pair of speakers before you buy them)?>> At any rate, I was VERY impressed with your site. For once I got to see actual schematics and numbers and not theories that lead nowhere. I've published some prototypes in the old Popular Electronics magazine (even though all my degrees are in chemical engineering and information technology) so I'm sure I could tackle the construction. But it would be neater to see you guys in person !>> Mark

The principal purpose for those devices at TEC are for OBE (out of body experience) time travel. But in some cases, by using some grid points they could be used for physical time travel. We don’t have a place to try these devices all of this information came by letters, emails, faxes and was uploaded at the site. The majority of these schematics were created by a person called Steven Gibbs. Some have claimed success … others nothing ... and so on.

This area is to try and keep trying. By the way, there is a site that sells time travel reports of the Delta-T antenna is www.igas.org .

PS: We are going to make a machine called the chronocraft for physical time-travel using Arlinsky Schematics.

Thanks for writing!!

S-015. from Dr. Richard Boylan regarding claims of the “TEC”

From : drboylan <[email protected]> To : [email protected] : Re: found a "Delta-T antenna" and MORE ..... Date : Wed, 21 Feb 2001 23:26:53 -0800

<[email protected]> wrote:

> Dr. Boylan -->> I was doing a "Google" search for 'Delta-T antenna' because I've heard so much about it and wanted to see what one actually looked like. I came across one design that said its hollow

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cylindrical frames had to be supercooled with helium to achieve superconductivity and then 100,000+ watts was pumped into each of the axis.>> But I also came across this sitehttp://comunidad.ciudad.com.ar/argentina/capital_federal/nandoherrera/main.htm which makes Nichols' and Marshall's stuff pale in comparison (at least by the sheer number of different "gadgets"). Don't know if its bogus but someone has gone to a lot of expense if it is (check out the cute ever-changing graphic at the very END of the main page).>> - Mark

Diagrams are not the same as operating devices in demonstration tests. Richard Boylan, Ph.D.

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S-016. from Dr. Arkadiusz Jadczyk regarding UNITEL’s claims

From : "Arkadiusz Jadczyk" <[email protected]> To : [email protected] Subject : UNITEL Date : Thu, 22 Mar 2001 12:55:11 -0400

Hi,

To give you some idea about what I think of UNITEL, here is just one exchange that I had more than year ago on another list.

Thanks for writing, ark

> ------- Forwarded message follows ------- > From: "Arkadiusz Jadczyk" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Date sent: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 19:41:33 -0400 > Priority: normal > Send reply to: [email protected] > Subject: [antigrav] Re: 137 ID # >

> On 27 Nov 99 at 16:10, Larry Maurer wrote: >

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>> I do not care if you or Mr. Sarfatti believe in our design or not. We are only trying to explain our design to anyone who is interested.

>> Then do explain your design. But do not try explaining things that you do not understand. Save the time of other people.>

>> If there is no interest then we will simply leave the A-G list and go about our own business of constructing and testing our patented prototypes.

>> I believe there is an interest here. But what you say about fiber bundles has nothing to do with the design. Unless you think that fibre bundles are bundles of fibres, optical or just wires! They are not! And Dirac strings are not strings that you can bundle your design with. These are mathematical concepts. Pretty much of an abstract nature. Unless you know how to calculate with them and how to get numbers. Do not try to impress engineers with mathematical concepts. They do not need them. Explain what you do and how you do it. They will know what you are talking about >

>> Remember we do not have just a US patent but also several international patents including a Japanese patent which has had six years of careful scrutiny of our patent with ten claims.

>> Patents -- US, Japanese, or Marsian -- have nothing to do with fiber bundles. You are not getting patents for fiber bundles. You are getting patents for design. So talk about design. And when you start talking about math that you do not know about - tell it other people like: "I will now tell you what comes to my mind but I really do not know what I am talking about because I never learned differential geometry and never computed one characteristic class or Chern invariant." Then it will be OK.>

>> I suggest if you do not understand something, you do not lash out with charges and accusations of saving the public from some kind of perpetrated falsehoods.

>> Do not count on it. I will if the subject deals with math concepts. At least until "B.G." kicks me off this list. >

>> I would like to get feedback from others from the A-G list on this subject. Perhaps we are in the wrong crowd and we are just wasting everyone's time.

>> I am not preventing you from getting your feedback. That is what this list is for. Get it. By all means. But because this is a mostly engineering list, better talk the language that other people understand (and that you understand too) >> ark

S-017. from Alexandra“Chica” Bruce regarding information passed-on to me

From : "Alexandra Bruce" <[email protected]> To : [email protected] : RE: interesting past emails here ... Date : Tue, 27 Mar 2001 03:03:28 -0500

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> I have always been troubled by "whistle-blowers" trying to profit greatly from what they claim are government conspiracies. You would think morality and patriotism would be above such stuff. But even Stanton Friedman suppresses info until you buy one of his books or CDs.

Dude, get over it. Why do you think people should do this stuff for free? Time is money. People need to pay their bills. End of story.

It took me 3 years to write my book while working double-shifts, 6 days per week at other jobs. I have been paid $2000 so far for my efforts. I think I deserve more, wouldn't you, after nearly losing your mind and life in the undertaking? Geez!

> Did you know that the Montauk Project homepage has been shut down for months now (supposedly waiting on some password software)

This "official" site was a domain name bought by this old has-been commercial jingle writer in NYC, who had nothing to do either w/ the Project or with the book series...it was shut down after the stupid human tricks and the low level of the discussion no longer was of interest for him to host. It was a bunch of dumbass people who didn't get it, anyway...

> … and that Nichols/Moon's site (...world-famousMontauk...) is inaccessible? That seems strange ...

This "world-famous" site was/(is?) also not a "Nichols and Moon" site. The site was put up by a (foreign, non-fluent-English-speaking/writing) fan of the material.

>> [from Bob King:] “You may be interested to know that all the stuff recovered from Area 51 UFO crash site has been transferred to the Pine Gap installation.”

Whatever. Prove it. I've also heard that the stuff went to that US AFB in Northern Italy (where they later ran the Bosnian missions from)...

>> [from Bob King:] “There is no way they could come up with an agreed document on these issues and I would just about guarantee that anyone you talk with on the site doesn't even know about the above fact.(Pine Gap)

Who-the-hell is this guy?

>> [from Bob King:] “Montauk is still fully operational by the way.”

Whatever. Maybe in a parallel universe. I live here.

>> [from Bob King:] “My knowledge of the Philly ex. comes from personal knowledge, I am 64 years old and was alive at the time and also when the news broke although I was young it has always satyed with me. You can confirm some of what i told you by getting hold of the local papers from Portsmouth (England) covering the dates from the 25th Sept 1943 to the 29th Sept. I think the experiment occurred on the 27th but wouldn't swear to that date. You could also see if you could get hold of any documents held by Rotax on the subject but I doubt if you would have any success there.”

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This is cool.

>> [from Bob King:] “I notice you didn't make any comments on what i told you which puzzled me somewhat, but whatever, that’s your choice and you can believe what you like because the issue is now so confused by so called writers over the years that you can just about take your pick.”

I gotta agree with him there.

Thanks for the very interesting forwards, Mark! L8R - - Chica

S-018. from Laura Knight regarding UNITEL (she sent this additional reply to email #16)

From : "Laura Knight-Jadczyk" <[email protected]> To : <[email protected]> Subject : Re: Montauk / Sarfatti / UNITEL Date : Fri, 30 Mar 2001 22:45:50 -0500

On 22 Mar 2001, at 11:32, [email protected] wrote:

> Dear Sirs:

> I started seriously investigating UFO phenomena after I purchased Lazar's model and heard his story. Of course getting on the Internet helped things out a lot although it also made you vulnerable to disinformation. I was led to your site by an unbelievable set of occurrences which I'm too embarrassed to divulge (has nothing to do at all with science!) by Alexandra 'Chica' Bruce. She posted a site of mine on one her pages. I found it by accident, and <link>ed to the Cassiopaea site from her page.

Hi,Yes, we love Chica here!

> I was aware of the Philadelphia Experiment but did not delve into deeply until I picked up one of Nichols&Moons' Montauk books. I probably bought most of them. I did some reading on remote-viewing also and bought the Corso book and saw his tv interview. I've read most of Marshall Barnes' investigations and been to Richard Boylan's extensive site. I've also seen the Incunabula site which claims interdimensional travel per "Many Worlds". I purchased Darlington's excellent "Area 51 - the Dreamland Chronicles" and Michio Kaku's "Hyperspace". I've been to all 3 of Dr. Sarfatti's sites and am overwhelmed by the amazing science. In spite of my chemical engineering background, I can't begin to follow the debates of Sarfatti/Gell-Mann/Herbert or the ones you had with Tom&Jack.

LOL! Neither can we!

> I once emailed Dr. Sarfatti and asked him about the P-X / Montauk Project. His brief response was that there was no way to determine if those fables had any truth to them. Dr.

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Boylan was more blunt, saying that "Roswell was real; remote-viewing is real; but Nichols and Bielek put out so much disinformation that the real truth (if any) about Montauk may never be known."

Well, even if I am often disposed to think the same about Boylan, can't argue much with him on this one!

> Mr. Barnes alerted readers to a UNITEL company ( http://www.unitelnw.com ). They are trying to produce a unique semiconductor laser crystal lens that has quantum tunneling applications in quantum-computing, microscopic-sized proton beams, and interstellar spacecraft. A "Bob King" who posted on the "Quest-for-Truth" P-X board said that he knew the "real story" behind the P-X and that UNITEL just picked up on an existing patent after it had expired. Dr. Boylan suggested that UNITEL is a clever disinformation ploy along the lines of WingMakers.

Have to agree on that one as far as we have been able to determine it...

> UNITEL's site was down for awhile for "re-construction". I emailed them "blindly" over-the-net and congratulated them for an outstanding site and asked when the new one would be up. I received a response the NEXT DAY from one of the co-holders of the patent (if you believe email) who divulged further information about the interstellar craft. He said that the Incunabula was no "cult" (as I referred to it), and that his company had some of them working there (in Portland, OR). He said the craft was in part based on a close-up observation/encounter with a cigar-shaped UFO in Eugene, OR in 1982. He further implied that although exotic things like Thorpe's wormholes may exist (as in Sagan's movie), that wasn't the mode-of-operation for their design. It was MACROscopic quantum tunneling. And then he quoted some Japanese scientist's concept. When I asked whether this was TIME or DIMENSIONAL travel, he said 'what does it matter? 5-11 directions in space-time. the ExT, ExM, vectors, etc.'

Well - wait and see.

> I sent a copy of his email to Dr. Sarfatti, Tom Mahood, Dr. Kaku, Stan Deyo, Marshall Barnes. No-one has yet replied. Tom Mahood -- one of the contributors to Darlington's book -- emailed previously and said that 'Jack Sarfatti is a BRIGHT guy who tends to get lost on too many tangents.' Tom said he was familiar with Jack's post-Quantum (Modanese) theories but didn't subscribe to them at this point. He said he and Hal Puthoff share laughs when Hal learns he is supposed to be part of the 'Aviary'. Tom said 'when Hal ever comes across something that is earth-shaking, he will go ... and I'll probably follow him myself." Last I heard Tom was working on advanced propulsion concepts (perhaps like the much-rumored TR-3B Black Manta that uses pressurized mercury to overcome 89% of gravity). And Bob Lazar's current public stance is he refuses to talk about any black project or UFO stuff. He is supposed to be working on experimental Mars habitats in a converted missile silo.

And on and on the merry-go-round goes. I tell ya, it's a morass out there!

> Any comments on this? I would be happy to forward you the email I received from UNITEL. What surprises me is why would they respond to a total stranger over the Internet with stuff that -- if true -- would have to be 'Top Secret' even if they are a private company. And looking deeper, they only answered about 1/4-th the questions I posed.

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>> -- Mark

Well, my suspicion is that they need investors, so they are going to be nice to everybody...

What doesn't kill you only makes you stronger! And "knowledge protects!"

Thanks for writing,Laura*********************************Ark and Laura Jadczykhttp://www.cassiopaea.org

S-019. from “Chica” Bruce regarding email I received from Laura Knight-Jadczyk

From : "Alexandra Bruce" <[email protected]> To : <[email protected]> Subject : RE: more on Laura Date : Mon, 2 Apr 2001 05:23:33 -0400

Dear Mark ,

> I had one email from "Ark" that I forwarded to you. I got his name from a <link> on your web-page. Even though I realize I'm an unknown stranger to him, I still felt his reply was 'cold' and impersonal (sort of like the one I got from his buddy Dr. Saratti).

I remember it. Ark displayed the classic, condescending behavior of a "scientist", what can I say? The attitude is most unfortunate. I regard orthodox scientists like Carl Sagan as the Catholic Inquisition of our age. They are run by their beliefs and do not truly have open minds.

Laura is more active a maintaining their joint site and she probably didn't know that her husband had already answered you.

> If for no other reason than to reassure you, I'm sort of glad that I sent the original email off. I don't know why Laura responded, but at least you know that they still think well of you.

Yeah, that was good to know. She also finally answered my other email and in addition, came to my defense last week when the peanut gallery (Marshall Barnes and his multiple personalities) began dissing my book on Disinformation (without even reading it), when they posted a review last week:http://www.disinfo.com/pages/article/id993/pg1/ .

> You jumped on me too hard for objecting to people "making a living" off their research. I don't object to 'that'. What I object to is people selling a "religion" to people who want-to-believe when they feel it may be untrue. That's taking advantage of people. That's not right.

I agree with you, however, I don't see much difference between that and a plastic surgeon selling nose jobs and breast implants, or the "Abdominizer" and any number of food supplements and self-help books, etc...it's just selling stuff that is outside of yourself that's supposed to make you feel better...

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> I think Peter is aware of that based on his reply to me that he "thinks something really happened" at Montauk also. That's a hell-of-a-difference between that watered-down statement and all that stuff he's writing from a take-it-as-facts, folks! point-of-view. He admitted it in a small section of one of the books by saying something like "even if you don't believe this is true, it's still better reading than most science-fiction".

I know [Peter] personally, very well. He takes everything that Al Bielek, Preston and Duncan say with a grain of salt. Mark, you have to understand that the Montauk legend is based on fragmentary references from fragmented people. I don't think that Peter has ever said that it should be taken at face value.

> I think the main Montauk researchers would have been regarded more kindly if the books were prefaced with a general disclaimer saying that "...the pages contained within are a compilation of stories and tales from different sources which are impossible to validate. Sometimes the various theories reinforce one another and sometimes they go off in different directions. Some may be intentional or unintentional dis-information. This is part of the problem of the entire Montauk mystery.'

Mark, I remember reading statements to that effect in the Forewords of all or most of his books, actually.

Anyway, thanks for all your thoughtful comments and have a fun week, yourself - -

c

S-020. from Dr. Richard Boylan concerning exotic pulse-wave weapons

From : drboylan <[email protected]> To : [email protected] : Re: personal pulse-wave and other exotic weapons Date : Tue, 17 Apr 2001 21:00:27 -0700

[email protected] wrote:> Dr. Boylan -->> I had purchased a "MYOTRON" pulse-wave weapon after watching an informational. I have fortunately not been in a position where I've had to try it out. I needed to replace it (after water corroded the battery from a leaky car window) and was doing a web search for suppliers. I have found some supporting articles and a detracting review.>> In the process I came across a short article about hi-tech weapons that mentioned Nazi technology and "sonic cannons" that were mentioned in the Montauk books.http://www.usnews.com/usnews/issue/970707/7weir.htm . Thought you might be interested ...>> - Mark

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More than interesting. I have been the target of one of the microwave personnel heaters on three occasions, all resulting in trips to the ER.

Richard Boylan, Ph.D.

Richard Boylan, Ph.D., LLC, Post Office Box 22310, Sacramento, California 95822, United States of America. Phone: (916) 422-7479 (PDT) E-mail: [email protected] WEBSITE: http://www.jps.net/drboylan/

You are invited to join his UFOTruth internet reports-and-ET/UFO/Experiencers chat list; moderated by Dr. Boylan: (subscribe at: http://UFOTruth.listbot.com/ ); or join his on-line DrRichBoylanReports (reports-only!) list by signing up free at: http://DrRichBoylanReports.listbot.com/

The following 3 emails were from a “Harla Quinn”. I had seen this person posting on other Montauk & Incunabula sites as well as other respondents claiming that a certain message was actually from “Harla Quinn” and not the email-id associated with that message. I had written who I thought was the owner of “The Montauk Project Center” and then started getting replies back from “Harla Quinn”. So – perhaps erroneously – I thought “Harla” was the owner of the MPC. Then I read elsewhere (as well as in her own email to me) that she has “multiple personalities. To this day I don’t know who “Harla” is and have often wondered if “Harla” is actually Marshall Barnes or Joe Matheny or ‘Chica’ Bruce or “DanteBot” or whomever, and I have even suspected at times that ALL of them are one-and-the same physical person with different personalities. All I know is “Harla” kept “dissecting” my statements like an attorney looking for some hidden meaning when there was none intended. I felt very uncomfortable writing “Harla” because I couldn’t write in my own natural way. I was always being put on the defensive when I didn’t do anything wrong …

S-021. from “Harla Quinn” regarding “Peter Moon” and other Montauk-stuff

From : Harla Quinn <[email protected]> To : [email protected] : Re: Peter Moon is "Vince" and more Date : Mon, 7 May 2001 06:47:54 -0700 (PDT)

Thanks, Mark. It was very kind of you to contact me. I sent an e-mail to Peter Moon yesterday asking him about this info. I haven't got a response yet.

Moon is Vince and "more". More what? Care to expound further?

> I saw one of your posts on some board. I'm pretty sure Peter Moon's real name is what you posted. Glenn Campbell reported that on his massive site at http://www.ufomind.com/.

On "some" board? LOL! Campbell's site is no longer operative. He's selling books these days. I would need more substantiation.

> The "Alex" person who reportedly interviewed Phil Schneider may have been Alexandra "Chica" Bruce who wrote a book about him and other PX/Montauk stuff. Her site is at http://www.incunabula.org/chica/index.html .

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But you have no information to verify that.

> I've had limited e-mail correspondence with her. She affirmed that Peter's real name was Vince. I think it had something to do with protecting his family. Chica seems smart and sophisticated but a little too much on the radical punk-rock side for me. (I mean, what she's saying may be correct, it's just the manner of delivery in her emails that rubs against me the wrong way. I'm from the old school.)

Old school? What does that mean? Do you still have the e-mail? As to using pseudonyms for protection, I can certainly understand that.

> I did receive some letters from "Peter" also a few years ago. He became defensive when I implied that there are many people who will spend money for a "religion" they want to believe in. I wasn't trying to be critical, just pointing out the obvious. He replied with a personal sarcastic remark which may have been called for since I evidently stepped on a nerve. Later he said that he was sure "something" went on at Montauk based on his research (I interpreted that as if he didn't know exactly 'what' that was). I suggested cross-correlating events from independent researchers (like the Holy Bible was made after examining and discarding hundreds of manuscripts and letters). He said that Aleister Crowley once tried doing the same thing I was proposing. He told me "to proceed but with caution as that would put me on the very fringe if not the center of the industrial-military complex." What-the-hell that means I have no clue.

Sure, "something" may have happened at Montauk. I don't really care. I'm more interested in the process of the dissemination of this "enigma".

> The Montauk stuff is a popular money-maker. I've incurred Chica's wrath for suggesting the "researchers" are writing books just for money without regard for truth. She said that they are no different from other people -- they are sacrificing time to spend on research and they have bills to pay too.

I don't know CB, don't know anything about her so what does "incurring her wrath" mean? As to her comments, I know full well the hours and hours it takes to research, read, exchange e-mails and information and interview others and then double-checking sources aside from the long mental process of pulling it all together and writing it.

> It seems strange that every few years new players come to reveal their personal experiences. First it was just Nichols through Moon the "interpreter". Then out-of-the-blue came Bielek. Then came a Stewart Swedlow who supposed to be one-up psychic-wise on Duncan Cameron (who by-the-way according to an issue of "The Montauk Pulse" has left the camp disclaiming all his previous statements -- they said he has fallen for some woman who has coerced him to switch sides). Then came Chica Bruce. There's some new guy on the horizon. First the "Montauk Boys". Now I've seen hints at the "Montauk Girls".

Yep...got to feed the masses. Some "new guy" on the horizon? Who are you talking about? Tell me where I can find info on the Montauk Girls. I've only heard rumors to this effect and nothing more. You forgot to mention Marshall Barnes in your list.

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> Marshall Barnes had some good interactive chats on the PX, Montauk, and Incunabula at http://users.cihost.com/ata/chat99.htm . Marshall has his own site up at http://it.t.boltpages.com/it.t/ .

That's old news. The it.t site also had a discussion board which is now defunct. Apparently, Barnes has gone underground. BTW, have you ever met him in person? No one else seems to have.

> Apparently there some in-fighting between Marshall's camp, Nichols/Moon/Chica's camp, and Matheny's side. They flip-flop between being allies and friends.

"Flip-flop"? Now why would you say that? I've not found any indication of that.

> I'm tempted to disregard all of them but some of the stuff they may be saying may actually be true. (I remember the discovers of the DNA shape -- Crick and somebody else -- were ridiculed by the medical community because they were more like biochemists and not bona fide medical researchers. It took longer than necessary for their work to achieve its due just because of human pride and egos.)

"apples and bananas" as the song goes..

> Interestingly, most UFO researchers I talk to are completely "down" on the P-X/Montauk. They include Richard Boylan, Jack Sarfatti, Tom Mahood.

When did Sarfatti become a UFO researcher?

> They maintain there's not an ounce of evidence to back any of it up. And yet the basic physics does make sense.

What physics? Are you referring to the alleged wormholes created via Duncan Cameron's "chair" or the alleged HAARP-like physics?

> I don't think it's necessary to do exotic things like create wormholes to travel vast distances.

No? What makes you say that?

> Did you ever check out the UNITEL site at http://www.unitelnw.com ? I received an email from a Larry Maurer (one of patent co-holders) who said their interstellar craft design was partially based on a 1982 close-encounter with a cigar-shaped UFO in Eugene, Oregon. And he also said that some of the Incunabula researchers were working with him at UNITEL.

That's too funny! I'm a member of all the anti-grav groups and correspond with Maurer and others and he's never related anything like this. But, I'll certainly ask him about it. Incunabula researchers working at Unitel? LOL! Someone's pulling your leg. Or, are you referring to the "group" which kept posting this trite at the old it.t board?

> They are researching MACRO-scopic quantum tunneling, something they think the P-X accidentally stumbled upon.

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Maurer told you that they are equating their quantum tunneling experiments with Montauk technology? Please! Now, you're losing all credibility. And you were doing so well!

> Recent superstring theories about 10-dimensional universes may support that (see my attached MS-WORD document that I gave out at an informal talk recently).

YOU gave an informal talk? I have all Kaku's books and the article you sent (but it was kind of you, anyway.)

> I miss the old Shelly board. There was some good stuff there but unfortunately a lot of later spamming. I don't know why she just didn't edit that out.

Shelly Palmer is a 'he'. Surely you knew that.

> Marshall maintains there is a "back door" to that site where all the posts still exist.

No need for a back door. A simple search will take you right into the posts, though the search engine is no longer functional. So, when did you last speak to Marshall Barnes?

This has been a most *interesting* discussion. Thanks. If you have the e-mails from CB, I'd appreciate the "snippets" from them - not interested in whatever else they contain.

Harla Quinn

S-022. from “Harla Quinn” ( regarding the follow-up email I sent in response to email #21)

From : Harla Quinn <[email protected]> To : [email protected] : Re: Peter Moon is "Vince" and more Date : Mon, 7 May 2001 08:54:56 -0700 (PDT)

Interesting response. Nothing that I don't already know about except one thing. What do you know about Alex Christopher?

[note: the following is what I sent “Harla” which prompted the above brief paragraph. I tried to answer “Harla’s questions in email #17 which I felt “Harla” was intent on searching for some conspiracy on my part and looking for hidden meanings in my sentences …]

> I'll try to answer some of your concerns ....

>>Moon is Vince and "more". More what? Care to expound further?

> 'more' in the "Subject box" just meant misc stuff (such as information regarding Chica and my limited dealings with these people)

>>> I saw one of your posts on some board. I'm pretty sure Peter Moon's real name is what you posted. Glenn Campbell reported that on his massive site at http://www.ufomind.com/.

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>>On "some" board? LOL! Campell's site is no longer operative. He's selling books thesedays. I would need more substantiation.

> sorry about 'some' -- I got routed to some website through a <link> and couldn't remember its name when I was composing my email to you. I didn't mean to trivialize it. I just can't keep track of all these links. Apparently you're correct about Campbell's site. 2 months ago he "froze" updates to most of his web pages and was just doing the book-selling thing. But the web pages WERE still available. Now it looks like they are not. The only exception I could find was http://www.ufomind.com/people/ . The FIRST time I stumbled on the fact that 'Peter Moon' was an alias was at Campbell's site. In an email correspondence to me "Chica" Bruce (who must be a close friend of his) confirmed that was not his real name. I guess it's no big deal -- a lot of authors use pennames.

>>> The "Alex" person who reportedly interviewed Phil Schneider may have been Alexandra "Chica" Bruce who wrote a book about him and other PX/Montauk stuff. Her site is at http://www.incunabula.org/chica/index.html .

>>But you have no information to verify that.

> What's to "verify"? You mean, is she actually a "she" and the author of her book? You're right of course, I'm not a lawyer and in court proceedings. All I know is what I read at the site -- it could be all fiction and made-up. I did get a copy of her book. She emailed me and thanked me "for my kind patronage". It might be true like all the other stuff -- she claims she almost lost her life for writing it -- but it seemed to be another twist by the Sky Books crowd to the growing P-X/Montauk legend.

>>>I've had limited email correspondence with her. She affirmed that Peter's real name was Vince. I think it had something to do with protecting his family. Chica seems smart and sophisticated but a little too much on the radical punk-rock side for me. (I mean, what she's saying may be correct, it's just the manner of delivery in her emails that rubs against me the wrong way. I'm from the old school.)

>>Old school? What does that mean? Do you still have the e-mail? As to using pseudonyms for protection, I can certainly understand that.

> "old school" -- I'm not used to "you rock, dude!" and similar expressions by so-called serious researchers. But according to the forward in her book by Peter Moon, she used to own a rap music studio. So I roll with the punches -- maybe it's just her manner of speaking. But she's supposed to be an investment counselor/broker also in New York. I wonder if she uses the same language with her clients. I like her, don't get me wrong. After receiving more "level-toned" e-mails from everybody under-the-UFO-sun, her communication style caught me by surprise and I felt like I was being "talked down to".

>>> The Montauk stuff is a popular money-maker. I've incurred Chica's wrath for suggesting the "researchers" are writing books just for money without regard for truth. She said that they are no different from other people -- they are sacrificing time to spend on research and they have bills to pay too.

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>> I don't know CB, don't know anything about her so what does "incurring her wrath" mean? As to her comments, I know full well the hours and hours it takes to research, read, exchange e-mails and information and interview others and then double-checking sources aside from the long mental process of pulling it all together and writing it.

> The first time I came across her name was in the Marshall Barnes P-X archive chat. Apparently she and he colloborated on some research. In one of her emails to me, she said he backed-out on a deal with her publisher and left her "hanging". She said he has a split personality and apparently is on the "outs" with him now. Her "wrath" was when she chastised me for wondering why people were charging all this money for their material (like the tapes Nichols & Bielek are selling at $30 apiece). Her rebuke was : "Dude. Get over it. Why do you think people should do this stuff for free? Time is money. People need to pay their bills. End of story. It took me 3 years to write my book, while working doubleshifts, 6 days per week at other jobs. I have been paid $2000 so far for my efforts. I think I deserve more, wouldn't you, after nearly losing your mind and life in the undertaking? Geez!"

>>> It seems strange that every few years new players come to reveal their personal experiences. First it was just Nichols through Moon the "interpreter". Then out-of-the-blue came Bielek. Then came a Stewart Swedlow who supposed to be one-up psychic-wise on Duncan Cameron (who by-the-way according to an issue of "The Montauk Pulse" has left the camp disclaiming all his previous statements -- they said he has fallen for some woman who has coerced him to switch sides). Then came Chica Bruce. There's some new guy on the horizon. First the "Montauk Boys". Now I've seen hints at the "Montauk Girls".

>> Yep...got to feed the masses. Some "new guy" on the horizon? Who are you talking about? Tell me where I can find info on the Montauk Girls. I've only heard rumours to this effect and nothing more. You forgot to mention Marshall Barnes in your list.

> The "new guy" was authoring a new book and it was listed on one of the last pages of Chica's book. It's at home and I'm at work now. I can get it for you if you want. I have my doubts (I could be wrong, of course). At first it was Nichols and Moon. Then Bielek. Then Swedlow. Then Chica. (There was a K.G. Wells too -- his book was a little more "factual" sounding.) Now there's a new guy who's come out of the woodwork with yet another twist to the legend. I'm a sucker for a good-story and yet even I'm skeptical at this point!

>>> Marshall Barnes had some good interactive chats on the PX, Montauk, and Incunabula at http://users.cihost.com/ata/chat99.htm . Marshall has his own site up at http://it.t.boltpages.com/it.t/ .

>>That's "old" news. The it.t site also had a discussion board which is now defunct. Apparently, Barnes has gone underground. BTW, have you ever met him in person? No else seems to have.

>I contributed a few items to his board. He has a "middle man" named "Fred" who goes to extremes to defend him. I've corresponded with Fred a little. I think Marshall also sent me emails but it was under the guise of the "webmaster" at bolt. Fred one time jumped on someone and asked him "if he had ever met the man {Marshall Barnes}". Outside of Chica, I don't know anyone who has. His site is relatively "new". I got referred to it by a post at Mack Shelton's P-X site http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Labyrinth/9378/ . Apparently both of these sites used the same company for their "Message Boards". When it went out of business, both boards went away. Some guy named Bob King posted at the Shelton site and sent me some emails on his recollection of what

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really happened with the P-X. He maintains it was never intended for radar invisibility but for teleportation from the start. That Churchill gave orders for ship to be scuttled. He didn't think much of UNITEL, saying they just bought the patent when the existing one expired.

>>> Apparently there some in-fighting between Marshall's camp, Nichols/Moon/Chica's camp, and Matheny's side. They flip-flop between being allies and friends.

>> Flip-flop? Now why would you say that? I've not found any indication of that.

> In his early chats, Barnes was more amused and tolerant of Matheny's take on the Incunabula. At his site he has became much more aggressive. According to Joe, Marshall was cyber-stalking his daughter. In an email to me Chica confirmed this. She said Joe was a CEO of a company who made DVDs. So she must be friends with him. At one time Marshall wrote of being highly suspicious of Nichols' and Bielek's claims. Then at his new site he told about visiting Nichols and being aware Duncan (who now has bolted out of the camp) was trying to "scan" him. Chica -- whom he collaborated with on some research -- now say's "I truly feel sorry for him". It seems like a big mess and if there is any truth to the real issues at hand, it's buried in all this in-fighting.

>>> Interestingly, most UFO researchers I talk to are completely "down" on the P-X/Montauk. They include Richard Boylan, Jack Sarfatti, Tom Mahood.

>> When did Sarfatti become a UFO researcher?

> check out his sites at http://www.qedcorp.com/pcr/pcr/ufo.html http://stardrive.org http://www.isso.org/inbox/

>>> They maintain there's not an ounce of evidence to back any of it up. And yet the basic physics does make sense.

>> What physics? Are you referring to the alleged wormholes created via Duncan Cameron's "chair" or the alleged HAARP-like physics?

> I was referring to the "teleportation" aspect of the P-X .

>>> I don't think it's necessary to do exotic things like create wormholes to travel vast distances.

>> No? What makes you say that?

> If you can quantum tunnel in the macroscopic world, you wouldn't need the wormholes that Kip Thorne and Sarfatti talk about. If you can make a ship so electrically "dense" that it behaves as an electron, then you've achieved a MOSS system like UNITEL describes .

>>> Did you ever check out the UNITEL site at http://www.unitelnw.com ? I received an email from a Larry Maurer (one of patent co-holders) who said their interstellar craft design was partially based on a 1981 close-encounter with a cigar-shaped UFO in Eugene, Oregon. And he also said that some of the Incunabula researchers were working with him at UNITEL.

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>> That's too funny! I'm a member of all the anti-grav groups and correspond with Maurer and others and he's never related anything like this. But, I'll certainly ask him about it. Incunabula researchers working at UNITEL? LOL! Someone's pulling your leg. Or, are you referring to the "group" which kept posting this trite at the old it.t board?

> I'll forward you an email Larry sent me. Their site was done for "reconstruction" and I emailed them asking when it was going to be back up. I also asked a lot of questions. The next day I got a response from someone identifying himself as "Maurer" who gave me the answers you'll see in the email I'll send you. Note that he didn't answer all my questions. Apparently in these anti-grav eGroups sites he has come under attack by both Sarfatti and another physics Ph.D. called "Ark" . I've had a brief email from "Ark" (who seems to boast outstanding credentials) concerning the UNITEL thing. By-the-way, Tom Mahood emailed me once and said regarding Sarfatti that he is a bright guy frequently gets distracted on too many tangents. But Tom said Jack was entertaining to him. He told me not to take too much of Sarfatti's and Herbert's post-Quantum "modanese" physics seriously because there was some "basic physics" problems with it.

>>> They are researching MACRO-scopic quantum tunneling, something they think the P-X accidentally stumbled upon.

>> Maurer told you that they are equating their quantum tunneling experiments with Montauk technology? Please! Now you're losing all credibility. And you were doing so well!

> No -- it was more of the P-X stuff. I asked him about that, as you will see in his email to me. The P-X dealt with teleportation whereas Montauk was supposed to be time-travel. And the Incunabula is supposed to be alternate-worlds. I asked him what he meant. He said what difference did it make when you're talking about 10-dimensions. I don't know exactly what he meant by that. Perhaps you can figure it out from his email ...

>>> Recent superstring theories about 10-dimensional universes may support that (see my attached MS-WORD document that I gave out at an informal talk recently).

>> YOU gave an informal talk? I have all Kaku's books and the article you sent (but it was kind of you, anyway.)

> …just to some organizations that sometimes invite new subjects to their meetings. I know a lot of them personally ... it's just a step-up from talking in the work lunch room. Certainly NOT anything like a peer review or a UFO conference or symposium. I just happened to know a little more than they did because it is a hobby of mine . By the way, I've emailed people like Dr. Kaku, Stan Deyo, Dr. Sarfatti and others for their opinion of UNITEL. Not one ever responded. Dr. Boylan DID email me back and he thought UNITEL could be more of a disinformational ploy along the lines of WingMakers. He said "when they get ready to launch it, be sure to let me know in advance."

>>> I miss the old Shelly board. There was some good stuff there but unfortunately a lot of later spamming. I don't know why she just didn't edit that out.

>>Shelly Palmer is a 'he'. Surely you knew that.

> No -- had no clue. I didn't even know his/her name until Barnes posted it once on his board. I got routed to the site sometime last year so I wasn't on-board for a long time ...

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[ after grilling me in her past email, forcing me to “defend” my statements in the above responses, and then just to get a “Interesting response. Nothing that I don't already know about except one thing. What do you know about Alex Christopher?” to all of this makes me question either “Harla’s” credibility (is she a disinfo CIA plant?) or is she on some sort of medication that makes her just like to force people into debates for no reason. ]

S-023. from “Harla Quinn” (follow-up response to email #22)

From : Harla Quinn <[email protected]> To : [email protected] : Re: new Sky Books book Date : Tue, 8 May 2001 18:47:38 -0700 (PDT)

Sorry I haven't gotten back with you, Mark. As you can see, I've been a bit "preoccupied" with some new developments.

Thanks for the Sky Books info on Wade Gordon. I've never heard of him and will ask Peter Moon about it.

As to Boylan, I tend to agree with him about Montauk and hence the "origination" of the dissemination of this info has been the focus of my direction.

Anyway...just to warn you... it's rumored that I'm certifiably "mentally deranged". Just thought you ought to know. <BIG SMILE> http://pub36.ezboard.com/fdarkplanet76000frm1.showMessage?topicID=174.topic

When things cool down a bit, I'll be back with you.

Thanks, again.Harla

S-024. from “Montauk Project Center” owner regarding releasing information on the Internet

Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 07:54:09 -0700 (PDT)From: Montauk Project Center <[email protected]>Subject: Re: never a dull moment, huh ?To: [email protected]

[email protected] wrote:

> I'd be interested in knowing someday just 'what' is going on. By-the-way, the forums at DarkPlanetOnline are shut-down. I don't know if this is related to your stuff or not. (Am I writing to "Harla"?) I'm no attorney and don't mean to be passing on legal advice regarding the Internet. Take this with a grain of salt but it's food for thought. If you have to be picky,

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there's a [legal] difference between venturing an opinion/rumor and rendering a judgement/statement as a matter-of-fact.>> There are 2 recent court cases regarding the Internet that come to my mind. One may have been local but the other occurred in a different state. I don't know how binding or precedent-setting the rulings are. I don't agree with the court's rulings as I think loopholes in "common sense" law were exposed that should be plugged-up. In the first example, a senior boy had a grudge against his band instructor. On his personal web-site he displayed the teacher's name, home address & phone number, social-security-number, and expressed "opinions" about the man's sexual orientation and so on and so on. Upon learning of this the school board suspended the boy from school. His parents sued. The court ruled in favor of the boy to the tune of $150,000 and order immediate re-instatement. The judge said the Internet had no laws regarding what could be posted on private websites (I'm sure there was more to it than that -- I didn't read the court proceedings -- because how can they get away with censoring certain Adult clubs in Yahoo! and MSN?). In the second (national) case, people have been hiding camcorders in gym bags and going to the gym to record celebrities changing clothes or in the shower. Then they post it on the Internet. The people sued. The court ruled that the Internet is "censorship-free" (again there must be more to the ruling than that in light of other developments).>> Boy, that whole Montauk-Incunabula crowd with its different "camps" must be something else. No wonder why even a lot of serious UFO investigators look at them as if they're all crazy. I can't imagine someone physically threatening someone else for release of rumored information. But maybe if they have collected a "religious" following that buys all these new books that embellish the original legend with more-and-more revelations -- and that's the only way they can make a living -- maybe they would feel threatened. Corso preceded his book with a quote from Davy Crockett: "Be sure you're right ... then go right ahead!"

Since all this information has caused me so much conflict. Even to the extent of my family and friends being threatened, I do not usually answer any mails concerning it from people who I don't know. However you asked if I was "Harla Quinn" so I wanted to make it TOTALLY clear that I am NOT "Harla Quinn" (Cynthia). I am NOT in any way involved with her and she has tried (and failed) to make it look that I have. My advice to you, and anyone is to stay away from her PERIOD.

Concerning the DP forum. Yes, that has been shut down because of my material. Not because I requested it I might add, but because Joe Matheny wanted it shut down. He informed me of this before it happened. As I has said, I am only replying to make it clear that I am NOT Harla Quinn. She is not involved in any in this actually, she just believes she is. Joe has told me all about her antics and he has disassociated himself from her for good. No one involved in this subject gives weight to anything she says, and that includes me.

I have no idea who you are. But everything I have said here can be backed up by documentation.

S-025. from Dr. Richard Boylan regarding if he had heard of Col. Tom Bearden

From : drboylan <[email protected]>To : <[email protected]> Subject : Re: who is 'Tom Bearden' ? Date : Wed, 23 May 2001 17:53:36 -0700

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[email protected] wrote:

> Dr. Boylan -->> A new Montauk Project-related site opened up at http://www.geocities.com/infomon_2000/ and its related board is at http://www.valentinesdesigns.com/wwwboard/index.html . I am growing weary of all the Montauk & Incanbula sites because the in-fighting among the different "players". Grown adults continually spamming and trading vulgar insults like children. But every now-and-then something news-worthy seems to get posted and so I bear with it a little longer.>> I of course had heard about Puthoff and Sarfatti and that crowd. On the old Montauk board ( http://www.montaukproject.com/ ) I came across some good postings about "scalar weapons" (supposedly bringing down the shuttle Challenger) and an scalar version of Maxwell's field equations (that are reportedly suppressed by the government). On this new site(above) was posted a link to Tom Bearden's web site at http://www.cheniere.org/toc.html . He seems to be a quantum-leap up on Puthoff&company. One of his articles ( http://www.cheniere.org/correspondence/020601.htm ) described how EM weapons affect cellular and bodily functions. I thought you might be interested because of your past experiences that landed you in the ER.>> You once told me that (1) Roswell was real, (2) remote-viewing was real, but (3) the P-X and Montauk was filled with so much disinfo that the real truth (if any) might never be known. If you feel you can discuss it, I'd be interested to learn what is your "take" on this guy and his claims? Particularly those where he seems to imply some Japanese mafia is eventually going to take over all world governments.>> As always, my best regards !> -- Mark

Mark,

I really haven't time to be reading various sites. Montauk can safely be dismissed as primarily a disinformation project designed to get people all riled up about a wild goose chase and ignore the central facts of ET contact with Humanity.

Richard Boylan, Ph.D.

Richard J. Boylan, Ph.D., CCHT, LLC Post Office Box 22310, Sacramento, CA 95822, USA. (916) 422-7479 E-mail: [email protected] URL: www.jps.net/drboylan

You are invited to join his informational reports and conversations on-line list, UFOTruth by going to http://UFOTruth.listbot.com and clicking on the Subscribe button and following directions. You may instead wish to join his personal reports-only list (no conversations), DrRichBoylanReports by subscribing at: http://DrRichBoylanReports.listbot.com

S-026. from Larry Maurer of UNITEL regarding their progress in building the HOLO-1 prototype

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From : Larry Maurer <[email protected] : [email protected] Subject : Re: Larry Maurer: reference to a "Field Resonance Propulsion Concept" Date : Mon, 22 Oct 2001 10:26:57 -0700

At 12:21 PM 10/22/01 -0400, you wrote:

> Mr. Maurer -- >> I found a reference to a "Field Resonance Propulsion Concept" at http://www.keelynet.com/energy/holt1.htm . It embraced the new hyperdimensional model of the universe and seemed to use some of your concepts. Although I couldn't tell for sure -- the nomenclature was different and the number of lasers seemed to be more than what was used in your design. Is their proposal similar to UNITEL's ?>> I am doing my best to champion your cause at my makeshift site http://www.stealthskater/index.htm . Are you having any success in attracting investors? Any progress in the "HOLO-1" prototype?>> By-the-way, I saw a few of the exchanges you had with "Ark" at the old eGroups anti-grav site. (Did they ever move to the new yGroups???) Just because one cannot describe how a physical process works by mathematics does NOT mean a successful engineering design cannot be made. I got my Master's in chemical engineering; and we didn't know the EXACT physical science of heat exchange (there were many abstract theoretical models). But through lots of experimentation, we could regression-fit parameters to simplistic equations that were valid over-a-range and use many of these to construct commercial heat exchangers. The same thing for nuclear reactors. A more correct representation is through a "kinetic" model which is almost impossible to fit with experimentally-determined coefficient. But model it with a couple of dozen "Diffusion" regimes, and experiments can be done to quickly fit those equations. I don't think one needs to know the exact physics to build a crude atomic bomb (just a lot of financial backing and some good engineering experience). I think "Ark" and Dr. Jack did you a disservice.>> I check your site every week for new developments. I haven't lost the "faith" !>> -- Mark

Dear Mark:

Thank you for your faithful interest. We have attracted a few small investors and we will be meeting with a major funding organization very soon. We also came very close to getting our smartskin prototype constructed and tested by Rolls Royce with Applied Sciences doing our subcontracting. Unfortunately the 9/11 WTC incident caused too much of a loss too the airline industry and they cut our project.

We have a very good outlook and expect to go public with our IPO fairly soon. Until then, we will continue to sell our shares at $16.80 a share, privately. Stay in touch!

Best wishes,

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Larry D. MaurerPrincipal & Director, Engineering , UNITEL, Inc. www.unitelnw.com (503) 232-2740

S-027. from Larry Maurer of UNITEL regarding another company's claim of achieving anti- gravity

From : Larry Maurer <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject : Re: Asymmetric Gravitational Wave Propulsion System Date : Fri, 26 Oct 2001 17:27:22 -0700

At 11:32 AM 10/26/01 -0400, you wrote:

> Dear Mr. Maurer : >> I ran across this site ( http://www.tdimension.com/projects.html ) . Their "Asymmetric Gravitational Wave Propulsion System" sounded vaguely similar to UNITEL's in that it's using lasers with semiconductor materials. Maybe this is one of many companies that have similar-but-different concepts -- you told me earlier that everyone seems to have their own idea for a quantum computer.>> No need to reply ... just thought you might be interested.>> -- Mark

Thanks Mark!

I wrote them a contact letter to see if we can find a fit whereby we can possibly do business. Perhaps we could incorporate their hovering system with our design. We are quite certain, however, that our patented RF-activated superlattice laser lens is superior to their dye laser.

The fact that our design will produce a Bose-Einstein type quantum state on a Gigantic level is most important. None of us can hardly wait until we fire the first prototype up. The only thing we need is now is funding. Here's hoping we can acquire funding from the major investor entities we are meeting with.

Stay in touch, StealthSkater, and thanks again for your valued support useful information that you sent.

Best, Larry D. MaurerPrincipal & Director, Engineering, UNITEL, Inc. (503) 232-2740 www.unitelnw.com

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S-028. from Jack Sarfatti regarding UNITEL's announcement to sell stock

From : "Jack Sarfatti, Ph.D. Physicist" <[email protected]>To: [email protected], [email protected] : Re: UNITEL proceeding with MQT deviceDate : Fri, 02 Nov 2001 10:18:25 -0800

I understand it only works if you sprinkle it with antigravity high nuclear spin superconducting Ormus Holy Grail Goopher Dust that sells for $650,000 a toot. What was it P.T. Barnum said?

S-029. from Larry Maurer of UNITEL regarding Sarfatti's skepticism

From : Larry Maurer <[email protected]>To : [email protected] Subject : Re: Sarfatti's response to my "passing the word" Date : Fri, 02 Nov 2001 16:44:44 -0800

Dear Mark:

Thanks for the support. Yes, we have an agreement with Mr. Sarfatti where he won't bad-mouth us (at least in public) anymore and we won't put down his ridiculous accusations. However, if we find out that he is continuing to cause damage with his badmouthing (which I suspect it was he getting to Alex Labounsky and Tom Bearden), then we shall pursue a libel and/or slander suit. It's okay to state one's opinion. But you know that there is a line that's drawn when damage is definitely done. We aren't worried about the naysayers, though. That's just part of what comes along with the enchilada of the business that one gets involved with.

We are so proud of our team of associates that we have put together over the years that we are literally going to be the most powerful aerospace and electronics firm in the World. Our contract proposal for the smartskin project we had with Rolls Royce poignantly illustrates the technical feasibility of our technical aspirations as our proposal was scrutinized by the entire Rolls Royce technical evaluation process system whereby we were given a grade of 7 out of a possible 8 (whereby '7' and '8' are fundable projects).

Same with Yoshinari Minami proving mathematically conservation of energy and momentum to Honda R&D technical evaluating team in Tokyo. Same with Dr. Terence Barrett, Manager Advanced Concepts at Boeing Aerospace who gave us an "A+" after a formal technical revue of our project in December 1989. Circumstances causing economic cutbacks have held us back. Not anything related to the feasibility of our designs.

I think it is only a matter of time that we will succeed in our endeavors, naysayers and all. Remember, at the turn of the last century, the naysayers were still announcing the unfeasibility of heavier than air flight two years after the Wright brothers flew at Kitty Hawk.

I think the public needs to be enlightened to all the circumstances surrounding our project, patent awards and associates we have acquired, etc. When we come out with our auto biography book, I think the public will be astounded and will demand we construct our prototypes. We have made an impact on the world aerospace designers whereby several MQT design concepts have been recognized as feasible. The IAA-IAF has welcomed us aboard as one of theirs..

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So we shall see what happens in the near future! Stay in touch, Mark !

Sincerely, Larry Maurer

S-030. from Jack Sarfatti regarding my response to his criticism of UNITEL

From : "Jack Sarfatti, Ph.D. Physicist" <[email protected]> To : <[email protected]> CC : Creon Levit <[email protected]>, Eldon Byrd <[email protected]>, Ericdavis <[email protected]>, Ibison <[email protected]>, ItalianPhysicsCenter <[email protected]>, Jfwoodward <[email protected]>, Mike Coyle <[email protected]>, Paul Zielinski <[email protected]>, Petew <[email protected]>, Puthoff <[email protected]>, Raymond Hudson <[email protected]>, Ron Pandolfi <[email protected]>, Russell Targ <[email protected]>, Saul Paul Sirag <[email protected]>, Steve Wolff <[email protected]>, Truzzi <[email protected]>, Tsmith <[email protected]>, Vladimir Poponin <[email protected]>, Wcri <[email protected]>, Wes Thomas <[email protected]>, William L Smith <[email protected]> Subject : RE: UNITEL proceeding with MQT device Date : Fri, 02 Nov 2001 18:12:50 -0800

> -----Original Message-----> From:[email protected]> Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 4:08 PM> To: [email protected]> Subject: RE: [UFO_HOTLINE_BULLETI] UNITEL proceeding with MQT device> > I enjoy your sites and lectures, Dr. Sarfatti, and they are heavily referenced at my makeshift site at http://www.stealthskater/index.htm . I had gotten my Masters in chemical and nuclear engineering many years ago. The chairman of our department at WVU was internationally-known C.Y. Wen. There were many theories proposed to cover such things as heat transfer and nuclear reactor engineering. I think they are still unresolved as to which is correct. But enough experimentation and modeling with different regimes enabled semi-empirical equations to be fit with constants good enough to design commercial heat exchangers and reactors. (In the latter, we were taught a nuclear "diffusion" model with textbooks by Lamarsh, who said that a "kinetic" theory was actually more correct but almost impossible to determine parameters for.) I think one could make a crude atomic bomb without knowing all the physics involved.>> The point being that I think UNITEL (and other companies like the one at http://www.tdimension.com/projects.html ) have stumbled onto something (although I gather that UNITEL picked up the patent after the old one had expired) that is difficult to explain with conventional physics or even the "Modanese" physics you embrace (which itself has its

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share of mainstream critics). I'm inclined to give them the benefit-of-the-doubt and see what their small prototype can do. After all, look at how much scorn the Wright brothers must have received prior to their epic flight.

We looked at the UNITEL claims at ISSO about 2 years ago. Like all crackpot Cargo Cult pseudoscience, there was no “there” there. What do you think is “there”?

Perhaps you have seen something we missed at ISSO. If so please give in your own words what the basic physics is behind their idea. I could not find one. I could be wrong. So make a case for them.

My physics is not tied to Modanese. It is Einstein’s physics plus standard ideas on spontaneous broken symmetry.

I get a Modanese-type term in a much more general context than he envisioned. Yes, my reading of Modanese was one of the key inputs in sparking my idea. The point is that I am doing standard physics here with only a slight extrapolation and everything is definite mathematically and physically. I get conventional physics in the appropriate limiting cases.

The key equations of my theory are simple. Einstein’s classical 1915 GR theory has the local field equation

Guv = (Lp2/hc)Tuv

This is Standard physics.

Next look at Quantum theory and take the POV (like in SED) that zero-point energy ZPE is real. Standard relativistic symmetry then gives an EXOTIC equation of state for the ZPE

mass density c2 = - pressure

This then says that the ZPE must ANTI-GRAVITATE -- not gravitate. This too is standard physics taught at Cal Tech today.

The result is that the anti-gravitating ZPE (of any quantum field) gives a cosmological constant type quantum correction to Einstein’s field equation of

/\ ~ 1/Lp2

whereLp2 = Gh/c3

The result is a FALSE VACUUM in whichGuv + (1/Lp2) guv = (Lp2/hc)Tuv

This is a disaster for modern physics! As bad as the black-body problem of 1900 which forced Planck to

E = hf

Why? Simple because/\ ~ 1/Lp2 ~ 10+66 cm-2

When the experimental number (to cosmological accuracy) is /\ ~ (H/c)2 ~ 10-56 cm2 ,

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This is the stupendous error of ~ 121 POWERS OF 10 !

A disaster for physics in general and for Haisch et-al’s SED in particular. Hal’s weak hand waving it away is no good. Up until now, I am not aware of anyone having a better idea of what to do than Hal’s wistful hope.

Enter Modanese. My reading of Modanese some 3 years ago on trying to explain flying saucers in terms of rotating superconductors for the NASA Breakthrough Propulsion Project (behind the scenes of course) reminded me of my PhD work of 30 years ago at UCSD & UCR on ODLRO broken symmetry in superfluids (now common since the “More is different” work of P.W. Anderson and his students). Also my related work on self-trapped laser filaments that Ray Ciao says he found useful in 1967.

This led me directly to the idea of a two fluid quantum vacuum – off mass shell of course. Hence to

/\ ~ (1/Lp2)[1 – Lp3|Psi|2]

Psi is the complex number order in the quantum vacuum whose Josephson effect phase modulation is precisely the world crystal distortion field of Hagen Kleinert of the Free University of Berlin.

/\ > 0 is anti-gravity quintessence

/\ < 0 is gravitating dark matter

Amplitude modulation of the Psi order parameter changes the cosmological /\ field locally. The amplitude and phase modulation of Psi are coupled together in a nonlinear way by the above equations and a Landau-Ginzberg equation. (Math details in http://stardrive.org/Jack/Cosmo1.pdf)

OK, so now what does the gobbledy-gook below mean to you?

>> From: "Jack Sarfatti, Ph.D. Physicist" >> To: [email protected], [email protected] >> Subject: RE: [UFO_HOTLINE_BULLETI] UNITEL proceeding with MQT device >> Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 10:18:25 -0800 >> >> I understand it only works if you sprinkle it with antigravity high nuclear spin superconducting Ormus Holy Grail Goopher Dust. What was it THAT P.T. Barnum said?

S-031. from Kathryn Sullivan (forwarded by Jack Sarfatti) apparently agreeing with Saratti's appraisal

From : "Jack Sarfatti, Ph.D. Physicist" <[email protected]> To : "Sullivan, Kathryn (MP)" <[email protected]> CC : <[email protected]> Subject : RE: UNITEL proceeding with MQT device & Ormus Goopher Dust Date : Fri, 02 Nov 2001 20:14:12 -0800

-----Original Message-----

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> From: Sullivan, Kathryn (MP) [mailto:[email protected]]> Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 7:42 PM> To: 'Jack Sarfatti, Ph.D. Physicist'> Subject: RE: [UFO_HOTLINE_BULLETI] UNITEL proceeding with MQT device

> Why didn't I think of that?>> Jack: Maybe Goopher Dust is hard to find down under? It seems to concentrate in the Stoned Old Agers of Marin County, The Soviet Republic of Berzerkely, Big Sur, and the Burning Man Festival for Aging Hippies. Some concentrations of it have been seen in San Francisco’s North Beach and Silicon Valley. Also at the Arlington Institute near the Pentagon. Inhaling ORMUS Powder leads to strange states of mind with “toxic cosmologies”. ORMUS powder does to the human mind what anthrax powder does to the human body! J>> I don’t know if any correlation of inhaling ORMUS with Mad Cow Disease has been studied by CDC?>> Does MP mean you are a Member of Parliament? I was in “Iolanthe”.>> -----Original Message-----

>> From: Jack Sarfatti, Ph.D. Physicist [mailto:[email protected]]>> Sent: Saturday, 3 November 2001 4:18 AM>> To: [email protected]; [email protected]>> Subject: RE: [UFO_HOTLINE_BULLETI] UNITEL proceeding with MQT device>> >> I understand it only works if you sprinkle it with antigravity high nuclear spin superconducting Ormus Holy Grail Goopher Dust that sells for $650,000 a toot. What was it PT Barnum said?

S-032. from Larry Maurer of UNITEL in response to my email informing him of all the sites where I posted the news

From : Larry Maurer <[email protected]>To : [email protected] Subject : Re: for your records ... Date : Sat, 03 Nov 2001 11:58:51 -0800

Dear Mark:

Yes, we used to laugh at firms like Boeing putting so much into anti-matter thinking that that was the wave of the future for the next generation of aerospace propulsion. The cost is so enormous. I mean a $trillion a gram to produce and they need a hundred pounds of anti-matter fuel? Come on! Whose space propulsion ideas are feasible or not here? Especially when the rocket with anti-matter would take 100 years to the nearest star. Why even bother!

We have a good laugh every time we see any futuristic space ships that always "blast" something out of the stern to propel the craft forward. We call this a Flatlander's usual method of farting through space. Why can't people understand that there is much more power to be obtained by strength of attraction without the added weight of fuels or propellants? Does Sarfatti even have a design to offer if

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he is so certain our system won't work? (BTW, these kind of people depend on us failing to make themselves look enlightened and usually they are lucky enough to be right. Except in our case.)

I can't believe that Sarfatti is a physicist with a Ph.D. Must be Classical physics. Speaking of that, we got into a riff with Michio Kaku (who at least had an intelligent argument) about MQT on the Macro level being zero according to the WKB approximation. We got much assistance from our associate in Japan -- Yoshinari Minami, Head of the Patent Services Dept., NEC, Tokyo. He supplied us with the math that proved that the WKB approx didn't relate to our design. Dr. Kaku wasn't ready to debate any further.

In our forthcoming book entitled Flying Colors, we say how our project got started by witnessing the very craft we have gotten a patent on and so forth. Not on one but two occasions where we weren't by ourselves and which includes the whole town of Eugene, OR witnessed the same craft for 2 weeks running. I reported our sightings to the Eugene Police who devoutly believed us and encouraged us to report our sighting (on the first one, the craft landed 10 feet from us) to the Eugene office of the FBI. Which the FBI didn't do anything because there was no crime committed.

We do not know to this day who was behind these craft but I can tell you that Yes! our system works and I will bet the farm on it! Of course, it took us several years to understand the workings of the craft we saw. But I can honestly say today that the difference between what we saw back then and what we can build today is very slim.

We of course haven't relied on -- or even hardly mentioned -- the fact that we saw the craft back in late-1981. Since we haven't hardly got to "square one", I think it is time to tell our story to the public along with several other witnessed reports including police sightings and then -- maybe -- we might finally get a prototype built once and for all.

Sarfatti can't even put up a good argument because he doesn't have the brains to understand the physics behind our system. My business partner Michael Miller is a brilliant physics expert and doesn't even have a degree. But I know through several experiences of watching Mike "kick butt" on physicists that he could blow Sarfatti, Kaku, or anybody else for that matter out of the water.

My part of the whole deal has been to turn Mike's physics into hardcore engineering drawings. The lens is -- as you say -- the most difficult and complicated. It took us years (not to mention the tears) to develop our design (from what we were shown from the working craft) and find a lab at UIC with EPI's MBE reps.

The II-VI semiconductor compounds have been virtually overlooked and ignored by researchers in the industry except for quantum dots. We do have the expertise and the labs to construct our lens which will be a high-temp, paraboloidically-curved laser lens. The curved lens provides the fiber bundle connection for the parallel transport of superconducting system for string-like qualities to be added to the ship and field to take place. We are attempting to fool Mother Nature into thinking that we are one gigantic exciton or electron-hole (or electron-positron) pair. We know it works so to heck with Sarfatti! Thanks again for your support.

After all, Mark, we are Americans and this is truly an American design for the American dream of reestablishing the new frontier (like the Oregon Trail) that leads straight up to the stars from here. We can tunnel through well established techniques (like tunneling electron microscope) to new and distant regions of deep space and perhaps find new habitable planets.

Thanks so much for your valued support. Knock 'em dead! 47

Larry Maurer UNITEL, Inc.

S-033. from Larry Maurer of UNITEL regarding UNITEL's contacts with investment teams

From : Larry Maurer <[email protected]> To : [email protected] Subject : Fwd: Effective Communications/CONTACT with TEAMS Date : Sat, 03 Nov 2001 12:38:41 -0800 Attachment : PR-2.doc (60k)

Mark :

FYI- So you know where we are at in our progress.

Best, Larry

>> From: "BluEyes" <[email protected]> >> To: "Larry Maurer" <[email protected]> >> Cc: "BluEyes" <[email protected]> >> Subject: Effective Communications/CONTACT with TEAMS >> Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 11:03:44 -0800 >> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 >> X-RCPT-TO: <[email protected]> >> >> UNITEL Teams, >> >>The Global Investment Team has just contacted, stating that their team will be here just as early as possible from overseas, as extensive meetings and plans are taking place in their international business portfolio, and plans were deviated from, in this exposure. At this moment, there is no planned date with us, as their travels have not allowed them to route their course here as of yet. As you can tell, the global-shift has changed everyone's route. Of course they are ultimately interested in what we are presenting. Our challenge is to present in a most dynamic manner. This can be done with a strong and direct audio-video state of the art presentation model. This will be backed-up to include, white-papers and various contract agreements, as well as feasibility documents and well-planned project assurances for the investors to seriously consider a viable project to invest their time, tools, and energy into.>> Also, remember we're nearing the national and international holidays which are quite different in many aspects. We have to observe this in full respect to all involved. We're now working to close-in on a settled area of the calendar, for the gauged meetings in San Diego. This can mean we'll be able to better plan our diverse agendas. We need to get aligned as a team, to bring a most fantastic presentation to the deal-table. This is a very promising group we're presenting our technologies to. Also, I have a friend in the picture that can put together High Graphic Multi-Media presentations. Perhaps we need to use this synergy of mine to merge our drafts, into a full-impact-3D Video, if it has not already

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been secured. Keep me abreast on this part please. We have to be fully capable of presenting at our optimal. Team, let me know your thoughts on all of this. >> Everyone, feel free to email or call me for comments.>> Ever so close, ~Onward~ >> Best regards, > Bryan Willoughby > UNITEL Team Corporate Council > Founder - Affirm Technologies, Inc. > Shared Technology Partners

> Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 12:34:35 -0800 > To: [email protected] > From: Larry Maurer <[email protected]> > Subject: Fwd: Effective Communications/CONTACT with TEAMS > > Dear Ana-Victoria: > > I am forwarding this email message from our corporate representative, Bryan Willoughby, to you to enlighten you to our progress with the forthcoming meeting with the international investment team that I spoke to you about previously. It is very difficult for us to operate without the proper funds to present our package to major backers such as this. I am wondering if you have any thoughts on how we can acquire necessary funding from an intermediary investor to be able to put together a professional business proposal to present to major backers.>> I have attached a promotion document herein for your review. Perhaps you may know an equal to this organization, however, we have been in constant touch with the upper level management of the investment firm and they are very serious about investing into UNITEL. We will offer 20% of UNITEL for $5 million and guarantee a working marketable prototype of our quantum optical computer within 24 months after investment agreements. We do not require the full amount upon an agreement as the money needs to paid out as we progress over the 24 month period. We are also offering two 'Board' positions in the corporation, one position being 'Chair', to a major investor/backer. For an intermediate investor, we will also offer a 'Board' position and barter for an agreeable offer to that individual or firm as well.>> If you find that you are not interested in receiving any further information on UNITEL, I fully understand. If you have some ideas on assisting us please let me know. Otherwise I hope that you and Al are doing well and I wish you good luck. I hope to hear from you soon. >> Sincerely, > Larry Maurer > UNITEL, Inc.

S-034. from Gary Ford regarding my reply to a short question he emailed me

From : "Gary G. Ford" <[email protected]>

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Reply-To : [email protected] : [email protected] : Re: reply Date : Sat, 03 Nov 2001 10:50:20 -0700

THANKS, Mark - I'll comment in line and below ... - Gary Ford

>>> [Ford] Did you try numerical simulation in your nuclear engineering?! Was it realistic in your opinion?

>>>> I switched majors from chemistry to chemical engineering. I loved the mathematical modeling. I substituted a FORTRAN course for a math elective in my senior year, and that's when the computer "bug" bit me. I simulated everything, from moon landings to air-to-air pursuit curves to football games. I had a summer job at a coal-to-gasoline pilot plant and the engineers convinced me to stay in school and get my Masters rather than trying to get it at-night. I couldn't very well go back and start over in computer science, so I stayed in chemical engineering. While in graduate school I minored in nuclear engineering and numerical analysis (using digital techniques to replace the analog computers which were increasingly used for only very "stiff" equations). This made me "lazy" in-a-way because I didn't have to take advanced math like vector analysis to be able to solve difficult models.

Computer Science IS NOT the basis of Physical Process NUMERICAL SIMULATION. So you chose RIGHT not to start in Computer Science lest you could have become a Sorting, Hashing, Linked-List, and Cosmetic Window Box 'EXPERT' Fake! Numerical Simulation of Physical/Chemical Processes is based on Numerical Analysis techniques originally developed for Classical Mathematical Physics and expanded into Engineering including Mechanical, Aeronautical, Chemical.

Computer Science is Big time in COMPUTABILITY Abstract Prertence (Polynomial Time versus NonPolynomial Time, n log n time on Quick Sort etc ... ). Most BIG NAME Computer Science Profs have little nitty-gritty programming experience -- their students do it, plus perhaps for a brief 'fast track' symbolic pass of their own through the favored channels of industrial superficials before reporting back to The BIG House in some cases, would be typical.

Most Computer Scientists -- even those with some math degrees -- tend to be too weak in mathematical research ability and too slack of actual deep numerical discovery programming to be very creative, beyond timing measurements and 'supervision' of the low paid slaves 'who do'!

That's a pretty caustic opinion I and an associate of mine (Dr. Goslinga) have of the utility of Computer Science in Numerical Solution of Partial Differential Equations - what is needed in Chemical Engineering, Aerodynamics, Fluid Mechanics, Nuclear Reactor Simulation and - ahem! - my disgusting specialty of the last 2 decades: The conflicting underground multiphase flows of petroleum reservoir simulation ...

Pretense, Programming Language Elite Effectations - That's Show Biz - er, COMPUTER SCIENCE - A Management Subdivision.

>> My undergrad books in "Unit Operations" were the standard McCabe & Smith and one authored by Foust. In graduate school mass, heat, and momentum transfer were taught via a book authored by Bird, Stewart, and Lightfoot. The chairman of our department -- C.Y. Wen -- was a world authority in fluidized-bed reactor design. He came from Taiwan, and every year

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would get some more of those students to come over here. He would keep them until he could squeeze the last bit of work out of them (published papers which he of course co-authored), and the graduate school was always on his case to either pass > them or fail them. These guys really belonged in the MIT / Cal-Tech gender, and Dr. Wen was keeping them in school 2+ years for a M.S. and 5 years for a Ph.D.

I know the type. They live from the fame of the results they force slave graduate students to do. Some know quite a bit themselves, but some are just Self-Publicity Machines.

>> My nuclear engineering (not nuclear physics) courses were taught by G. Lansing Blackshaw. A big guy, reminds one of John Madden. "Lance" I think hailed from England. He got into nuclear because he just liked the style of math. I used a book authored by Glasstone, but the main textbook was written by someone named Lamarsh. The homework problems from that book really taxed your math abilities. I could be wrong on the exact terms, but I think they told me of all the models used to describe a controlled nuclear reaction, the one that was easiest to obtain parameters from experiments was a so-called "Diffusion" model. In elaborate designs they could have dozens and dozens of different diffusion regimes, with each one having its own set of

Perhaps you mean 'Convective Diffusion Equations with Sources (fissions) and Sinks (Neutrons absorbed in wastes or lost from reactor vicinity or decayed after 10 or 20 minutes to the basics of Hydrogen plus an neutrino?...'

>> …parameters to fit the equations. The same thing is done in heat exchanger design or pump design or anything that involves fluid mechanics over widely different Reynolds numbers and all those other "numbers" that represent ratio

Let me see … What are the FLOWS in Nuclear Reactors? ...Neutrons, becoming thermalized and diffusing, with sources and sinks; Heat, Gamma emissions, quickly absorbed through ionization and heating of the reactor; and of course, there is destruction of U235, conversion of U238 to Pu239 onto Pu244, and some fissions of these, and creation of a huges array of chemical - some gaseous and flowable at reactor temperatures, such as Iodine, Xenon, Krypton, Helium, Hydrogen. Then there are losses and reflections of neutrons at boundaries and material discontinuities, and absorptions in control rods, etc. Did I miss anything significant?! - AH! Cooling Channels with Liquid Potassium and/ or with Sodium for liquid metal cooled reactors, and Cooliung Channels for Light or Heavy water depending on type of water; also the Temperature of the Water, and whether it is boiling or not, and hoiw pressured or not. DID I miss out on anything? LOCA - Loss of Coolant Accidents as cooling pipes could rupture and liquid coolant could flash into vapor ... I hope I have a general idea.

>> Lance told me (and this was in the 70's) that all the math (or at least that which would allow for successful commercial designs) for nuclear reactors had LONG been worked out. There were no new roads there. The emphasis was in material engineering, finding alloys that could withstand increasing nuclear fluxes while minimizing the size of these reactors. So -- to answer your question -- yes, I believe the numerical solutions we used in these semi-empirical models did do the job.

I disagree very much about the math as we have similar equations in the Petroleum Arena, and I was personal witness and even a small participant in working out NEW Math in the early 1980's and again in the mid 1990's, which is largely 'trade secrets' and not known in exact excruciating detail by the University Academics, some of whom however, have the general abstract schemes well in mind. These

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are mostly special techniques for solving very large (tens of thousands of equations) linear systems, and derive typically from multi-dimensional Newtonian interation linearizations of highly nonlinear equations resulting iteratively at each time step. Many Top Level Feeders in the Nonlinear Systems Numerical Solution ASSUME that new faster computers will 'Solve the Problem' but I know they won't form an 'ill-condition' problem which grows with number of cell divisions in a large simulation.

Paradoxically! - the diffusive ERRORS of typical cellular approaches to everything from Viscosity simulation to TimeDependent MultiPhase Flow to Reactors ... has a tendency to Mimic the diffusion behaviors in these processes, and so can ITSELF be (unwittingly) 'tuned' while the Solution - often from lack of further progress in iterative increments, as the solution method bogs down, with large (often unchecked, hidden from superiors, or simply ignorantly ignored) residual errors in the posed PDE discretizations (Can always be rationalized on the basis that 'The Equations are too simple to Represent Reality AFTERALL, so we shouldn't be surprised they aren't Exactly Solved [read 'Grossly NOT Solved'!] ) ...

And so we are cast back in essence to a 'Game of Life' with hundreds or thousands of CPU's - or virtual CPU's in the case of multiprocess, semaphor-interacting, Unix Multi-Box processes .... But what ELSE is a BOEING, a NASA, or a DOE to do with its Research Funds, save buy Million$ and Million$ of glitzy rapidly obsolescing computing equipment?

>> Like a lot of people, I'm fascinated by UFOs and the possibility of life elsewhere. Over-the-years I've accumulated some things which I want to make available to others for discussion and debate. I've never seen one myself, but I'm pretty convinced they exist. Not only from all these reported events (c'mon, they all can't be wrong!), but from a best friend I had in college that entered Navy flight school after graduation. He flies A-6's off carriers. He told me there was nothing to the Bermuda Triangle, which he wrote off to navigation equipment failures. He did vouch for the existence of UFOs, but said they were sparse and never bothered them and they were under orders not to bother them. In an e-mail to me, Tom Mahood (a principle contributor to Darlington's "Area 51 - the Dreamland Chronicles") said he has heard this same statement from other military people. I don't believe my friend was using any dis-info tactics ... I know him too well.

I think UFOs represent something REAL but something to do with the ACTUAL (not our early in our scientific development human misunderstanding of the) Nature of Space-Time, based on personal experiences, indoors. The outdoors experiences gradually became Socially Barely Acceptable due to Reports and Leaks of Experiences from Sober Military Pilots, which after all were defending the Natioin from 'Godless Communism' and BETTER NOT BE CRAZY - Right?! - while in the last 15 years or so, the Indoors aspect has become the core of a Nu Age Abduction/Channeling/Chrystal/Atlantean Mostly-Nonsense > (Oc)Cultism. I think they are bnoth partially misperceived, ill understood aspects OF THE SAME PHENOMENA, as distorted by our Social, Political, Religious, Military, and CURRENT STATE OF PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE (or not) 'understanding'.

>> While examining the UFO stuff, I came across the P-X, Montauk, remote-viewing etc. I began to see a common thread of sorts, provided by the man Dr. Sarfatti himself and others like Hal Puthoff. I think this is what Lazar and others were referring to about the UFOs bringing a "new" physics with them, one that is 300-1,000 years ahead of ours and at times

How would anyone KNOW 300-1,000 years ahead except in the case of an honest revelation from backwards in time travelers (whom I suspect are sometimes escaping a great disaster of the future, looking for a safe abode in their PAST - our present, past or near future).

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>> … could be described as resembling "magic". That would explain why it has eluded the best scientific minds in all the nations for so long. Like the current state in nuclear design, I suspect half the problem is coming up with unique materials to turn these advanced theories (undoubtedly involving the newer dimensions postulated by superstring and M-brane theories) into everyday > fact. That's why Lazar kept emphasizing "using EARTH materials" in his back-engineering statements.

Note, however, that famed scientists have often misperceive the future of their own fields! There were Professors and 'Experts' and Universities in the Middle Ages - we just assume they were fakes and idiots. Hmmm... In some ways this is very similar top the present, The Peter Principle being considered. When people become unproductive and satisfied with their accomplishments, they are often IN THE DIRVERS SEAT - as high corporate executive, general officer, or University 'Expert on Tap' - just like draft beer - if you don't mind the Yellow Color from B-Vitamins flowing through!!!!

>> Likewise I can see where one can start at the "other end" -- through a twist of fate -- and have the materials but not know the science. Case-in-point was when Russia captured all the German rocket engineers but not their scientists. Gave them a head start in producing rockets but difficult to extrapolate to the next level without the basic science. I think companies like UNITEL have inherited (or stumbled onto) something that shows great experimental promise but the underlying theories are still undefined. That doesn't mean they should be regarded as crackpots. One time I was designing an electronic prototype using an XR-2240 (if memory serves me) timing chip. As long as I had a scope attached to the input of the chip, it timed-out perfectly. Remove the scope and it wouldn't time-out. After a day of cussing, I thought to myself "my Heathkit scope has a 1-Meg input resistance", so I substituted a 1-Meg resistor from the chip input to ground and put one from

There is a gap - I guess it all worked from then on?! You sound ingenious enough to be useful to industry and open minded enough for much more.

>> I'm convinced at this point that Mr. Maurer is sincere in his beliefs that he has truly has something remarkable. He can't explain it to the satisfaction of Jack and "Ark" and others who can't write an e-mail without incorporating math in it. That doesn't mean it doesn't have merit. How can you be a 'scientist' and use logic like that?! But the discoverers of the DNA structure -- Crick and his partner -- were scoffed at because they were

CRICK and WATSON!... and they had a woman SPY in Linus Pauling's group which had the most highly purified sample first, and they also learned that Pauling [who was considered a Commie by HUAC and the State Dept and therefore not allowed a UK VISA on their advice at the time] was sending a sample to the best X-Ray Diffraction Crystallographer in the world at the Time, in Britain and convenient for Crick and Watson to spy on and get a FREE 'Academic/Industrial' Espionage SCOOP on Pauling's Associate in UK by carefully socially manipulating a vulnerable academic sex-starved woman or two with their young boyish good looks! One of the Crick and Watson team was a [BIO]Physicist. They DID Make the INSIGHT First, once they SAW the clear evidence, from their little espionage coup!

>> … biochemists and not bona fide medical researchers. Indeed when I examine my diary of e-mails I've received from all the "experts" in all these areas, I rarely find any two of them that agree. Either the problem is very complex or the covert agencies have done a god job at counter-intelligence to "muddy the waters".

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DNA has many forms. The DRY CRYSTALLINE FORM which Crick and Watson explained is NOT the living hydrated form with all its microwave frequency (why DNA is sensitive NOT just to water heating but to self-heating in microwaves - it is typically 100x as abdsorbant at 2 GHz as is water, I have heard ...) undulated and torsional oscillations openings of the zipper and closings ...

Sarfatti and Ark are brilliant and creative people, and I believe important to the future. I am now just a fly on a hyperdimensional wall!... BZZZZt! Sarfatti and Ark don't see me as important - I'm not a Physicist afterall, and I never obtain a large format ass wrap Ph.D.! - and I guess I am not very important at present.

>> That other company that has achieved some anti-grav using their own laser lens has to substantiate UNITEL's claims to-a-point. I find it strange that Dr. Sarfatti unleashed on UNITEL so heavily while ignoring the other company I mentioned in my message post. This hints at being a continuance of some past "grudge match". Let the man (Maurer) work -- it's he that is out on a limb, not Jack -- and Jack should think about what seasoning he likes on your "crow"-- if son-of-a-gun -- Larry does in fact make something out of it. If he doesn't, then Dr. Sarfatti can bask in his "I told you so" sunlight.>> -- Mark

[Ford] Light and Sound can create LIFT - this is simple Momentum Transfer - I hope you're not seeing such as 'Anti-Grav'?!

I greatly appreciate your long letter. Thank you, Mark!

Sincerely,gary [email protected] http://www.swimp.org/ click for arc-jet photos

S-035. from Larry Maurer of UNITEL regarding my recent experiences with skeptics

From : Larry Maurer <[email protected]> To : [email protected] Subject : Re: they're coming out of the woodwork ! Date : Sat, 03 Nov 2001 17:26:06 -0800

At 07:06 PM 11/3/01 -0500, you wrote:

> Dear Mr. Maurer -- > > I innocently post some messages -- like I've done before on other subjects -- and I'm getting more (unwanted) response from this from people I don't even know. Plus they pick apart every sentence I say. I write like I would speak in a conversation, easy-going and from-the-hip. I see now where corresponding with some of these guys is like talking to a prosecuting lawyer. Now I am starting to get ticked ... this is turning 'personal'. Anyway, Mr. Maurer, I have no idea who this guy 'Gary Ford' is. Apparently he somehow got hold of Sarfatti's

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response to me and added to it. I replied good-naturedly and received what I'm going to forward to you.> > Kaku did put out an excellent book in "Hyperspace". He traced out the evolution of added dimensions without the math. I think he was instrumental in overcoming a mathematical difficulty in the one of superstrings' properties. But it's refreshing to know that another learned person can admit (by default, perhaps) when there is something he is not aware of. Even a "Master" can be bested on a given day. I remember Einstein having such an ego that when it was pointed out to him that he made a schoolboy's mistake (like dividing by zero), he would refuse to talk to that person again ... sometimes for years. Kaku is featured in a RealPlayer interview on UFOs at http://www.debshome.com/news_items_L.html .>> And there's parts of Sarfatti's sites that I liked, just like some of the stuff Montauk's Preston Nichols says. I may not understand it or agree with it; but it forces my mind to contemplate what I hadn't considered before.>> I sure hope this hasn't affected your focus. I was just trying to spread-the-word and make people aware of UNITEL and their mind-boggling projects. I did tell Richard Boylan about UNITEL a long time ago (when you site was down for "reconstruction"). At first he thought he was disinformation along the lines of "WingMakers". Then after a few more e-mails from me, he shrugged his shoulders and said "well, maybe so .. when they get ready to launch it, let me know." That's more the type of attitude I would expect from an "expert" who's out of his area than these cheap shots from intellectuals who should know better and have better manners. You expect that type of behavior from adolescents ... not grown-ups, let alone "PhD's". Again I hope this hasn't caused you undue concern and that it will help in the long run.>> -- Mark

Dear Mark;

Hey, I really appreciate your earnest efforts to help us. Now you know first-hand what kind of negative resistance we have been dealing with. I agree that these cheap-shot artists have absolutely no class. No, they do not bother me in the slightest. I look for the shoot-outs with the big guns like Michio Kaku instead who I have much more respect for.

I just for the life of me would like to know what these folks like Sarfatti and his cronies have against us. I never really asked why but as you found out, you had better watch every word you say or they will pick your statement apart like trial lawyers. They act like they have a project of their own. But I seriously doubt if they do.

I expect that we will get funding from Rolls Royce or whoever and finally build our prototypes and prove to the world what we are all about. I would stake my life on it. I can't wait to see what those yayhoos will say when that happens. That day is coming soon, my friend.

Good luck to you, too. Please don't let them bother you either. I mean their jokes aren't even funny. Talk about un-American! Just who are these guys rooting for, anyway?

Sincerely, Larry Maurer UNITEL, Inc.

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S-036. from Larry Maurer of UNITEL regarding a possible business match with a "Time Travel" organization

From : Larry Maurer <[email protected]> To : [email protected] Subject : Fwd: Re: TAP-TEN Research (Current Affairs) Date : Sat, 03 Nov 2001 22:55:10 -0800

Mark:

FYI- Sounds like we may have a match here. Our projected laser plasma field must have a controlled twist to instill the parallel transport mechanism to produce the superconducting string-like monopolar effects. Timing and the controlled spiral in the beam are very important. Thought you might like to review this.

Best,Larry MaurerUNITEL, Inc.

> To: Gary Schasteen <[email protected]>> From: Larry Maurer <[email protected]>> Subject: Re: TAP-TEN Research (Current Affairs) > > At 01:12 PM 11/3/01 -0800, you wrote: >>> Dear Dr. Maurer,>> >> May I call you 'Larry'? You can call me 'Gary' if you wish. I am, for one, confident in the conceptual validity of the short range interstellar space craft that UNITEL is going to build. What kind of power source will it need? My friend and business partner Gary Voss has been in touch with Bryan this past week. Myself and Gary Voss are supposed to meet with Bryan this next weekend.>> I have been working on a concept that might be beneficial to the projects you mentioned regarding both the supercomputer and Interstellar craft. This concept is known as the Electro-Magnetic Field Constrictor. The EMFC is to twist a magnetic field that is propagating between two iron discs. This causes the magnetic field to physically 'constrict' to a smaller space in the center between the two iron discs. If we constrict the field through a rotating copper disc, the amount of electrical output will increase as the field is constricted to a smaller space within the spinning copper disc.

> Since the strength of the field squares as we constrict the field to a half size the electrical output should also square as we constrict the field to a half size. Hypothetically, if we were to twist the field 180 degrees the field would constrict to a singularity for all the magnetic flux lines composing the field would pass through the centermass between the two plates. The electrical energy may be transferred from the spinning copper disc to a conductive stator which connects to an output terminal.

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> The amount of electrical energy being conducted would be most sufficient to power the craft you are going to build. The only thing is that the device extracting disc would have to be composed of a high temperature superconductor and not a copper disc if we are to channel large amounts of electrical energy. However, practically any amount of energy may be attained by twisting the field lesser then 180 degrees, for at 180 degrees twist, the field is constricted to a singularity. Therefore, the power in Watts being generated by the device increases exponentially to infinity as the field approaches 180 degrees twist.>>>>Also note that since the negative portion of a magnetic field has a positive time component and the positive portion of a magnetic field has a negative time component, we can therefore use the EMFC to create acceleration of time by creating extremely dense negatively charged magnetic field. By accelerating time in a region where a computer is operating we may be able to speed up the relative rate at which the computer computes. For instance, if the quantum computer that you build produces 15 google computations per second on it's own, then by placing the computer in a room that is saturated with a negatively charged magnetic field (the north polarized portion of a magnetic field) that is dense enough to speed time up twice its normal speed, the computer will produce 30 google computations per second, twice the number of computations in one second our time. For our time speed, outside the magnetic field filled room&nbs >>>>However, if we were to fill the room with the positively charged magnetic field (the south polarized portion of the magnetic field), which has a negative time component, the number of calculations that the computer makes would be halved per second on account that time slows down in the presence of a positively charge magnetic field; for acceleration of a negative time component when added to a region of positive time acts against the positive time speed to slow the positive time rate down.>> >> However by accelerating a positive time component that is added to a region of positive time, acts with the positive speed to speed the positive time rate up. Thus, there are multiple applications that the EMFC can serve for your projects. From deceleration of the aging process to multiplying the computational power of the quantum computer you are going to build, to serving as a power source for your interstellar ship.>>>> The device is not that complicated in design, and I would imagine, could be produced in mass quantities rather inexpensively. May we discuss incorporating this concept into your current plans for the supercomputer, and Interstellar Space Craft design, at least to explore the concepts potential. I had already contracted the device out to Davison & Associates which conducted the research phase of the devices project and found that they could find no reason that the device would not work. They were so enthusiastic and confident in the devices design, that they went straight into attempting to market the design out to potential companies. However, they were unsuccessful in the attempt, for the sake that the concept is new and has not been tested nor have tests yet been attempted by myself for lack of funding. I was in the process of purchasing parts little by little so that I could produce a working prototype.>> >> What do you think? I look forward to further discussing this concept with Bryan, and yourself. Together, I believe that all these things that we collectively dream will be achieved. >>>> Best Regards, >> Edwin G. Schasteen

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>> Projects Administration >> TAP-TEN Research Foundation International >> 627 H. St. Ste A279 >> San Diego, CA. 91910 >> (619) 387-7300 Ext.4312 >>(858) 860-6400 Ext.9578 >>

> Dear Dr. Schasteen: >> I too look forward to meeting with you. We are currently offering corporate stock at a very reasonable rate. We expect to go public with our IPO in the near future. Our corporate team is in San Diego to meet with a major investment firm that should hopefully get our prototypes underway. I shall be in touch.>> Regards, > Larry D. Maurer> Principal & Director, Engineering > UNITEL, Inc. > (503) 232-2740 > www.unitelnw.com

S-037. from Larry Maurer of UNITEL regarding Joe Firmage, Tom Beardon, unknown businesses

From : Larry Maurer <[email protected]>To : [email protected] Subject : Re: Public Relations first ... but watch who you jump in bed with Date : Sun, 04 Nov 2001 11:41:43 -0800

At 10:16 AM 11/4/01 -0500, you wrote:

> Mr. Maurer -- > > I've come across "Tap-Ten" before. I think I was routed to it from that Argentina-based time-travel site http://comunidad.ciudad.com.ar/argentina/capital_federal/nandoherrera/main.htm .>> There is another organization on Long Island that has gotten some negative reviews by Marshall Barnes.. Certainly at this point you have to entertain ALL inquiries -- if for no other reason than public relations -- but be careful about these "time travel" guys. I tried to link to Tap-Ten's site and it wouldn't come up. Maybe they're okay and maybe not. But it sounds like you've been doing this for awhile to be able to separate the wheat from chaff, so I'm sure UNITEL's future is in good hands. By-the-way, I agree with what you had done earlier to highlight the quantum computer "ahead" of the interstellar craft. Some of these business investors are very conservative and lack sci-fi imagination.>> Did you ever think of contacting Joe Firmage? I had heard he was torn between ZPE and cold fusion and decided to invest in the latter. Do you ever correspond with Bearden? I don't

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know exactly how to take him. If 1/10-th of what he has in his site was true, we should throw in towel and surrender now to the Russians and Chinese. "Ark" tried to take on him and Hoagland. He blasted Richard but lamented that Tom does know his math and quit his on-line discourse in mid-stream without reaching a conclusion. Tom is always promoting this French "healing machine" that he contends has been ignored (almost on-purpose as if a conspiracy exists) by governments. I don't know how is he received by authorities -- could you get some names of investment contacts from him? I don't know if Taylor Kramer's father could help you. He seemed pretty down-to-earth from the interview I saw on AMW-Missing Persons segment.>> You would think the kind of more-than-cutting-edge technology UNITEL is exploring would be exactly what high-risk agencies like DARPA are interested in. The only thing I can come up with is I wonder if they are already exploring similar technologies with programs THEY can control -- UNITEL being a private and unmilitarized company. Off-the-subject, but Teller sponsored Kaku early on in his education. I e-mailed him once about the Bob Lazar story (Lazar also claimed endorsement from Teller, who refused to answer 'yes' or 'no' when asked on-camera) but never got a response. I'm hoping that what I posted at his Yahoo! club makes its rounds, perhaps even to other physicists like Witten. Did you think of contacting places like Rand or Battelle or Bechtel?>> If I believed in such things as "pre-destination", I'd almost swear I was on a mission. Years ago I went to the library to look through the "Help Wanted" ads. Scientific mainframe programmers schooled in SAS, PL/1, and FORTRAN are not in much demand these days. I used to subscribe to "Aviation Week & Space Technology". I went over to the magazine rack to search for a copy and came across "Astronomy" magazine. Its cover featured the imposing title "What Happened Before the Big Bang". I never even thought about that before. I started reading the article by someone named Michio Kaku and was introduced to the idea of newer dimensions. Then I went out and bought his "Hyperspace" book. Although I added some "M-brane theory and UNITEL stuff at the end, the introductory document I prepared on superstrings was taken largely from sections of his book.>> About the same time I came across the first Montauk book in the New Age section. I never heard of the project before but of course was interested in what the back cover remarks. So I bought it and subsequent books. I actually learned of the P-X from Montauk rather than vice-versa. I don't have time to watch that much tv, but something made me turn on a couple of DATELINE episodes. One featured Corso and the other the remote-viewer David Morehouse. I bought both of their books. In January 2000 I got my own home computer and explored the Internet in earnest for the first time. In time I got around to a lot of the major sites dealing with these subjects and started reformulating my opinions when necessary. Although I don't believe in such things (mainly because I can't begin to understand them), I almost think it was not coincidental that I turned on those programs when I did and viewed magazines which I never had before.>> -- Mark

Hello Mark:

Thanks for your offerings and insight into "Tap-Ten". We are very careful to base our business connections on technical expertise and authenticity. Tap-Ten is new to us and we are very cautious about making any connections with firms that aren't really for real technically. We shall see about what they are offering with further scrutiny of their technology.

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We talked to Joe Firmage a couple of years ago on a telephone conference where he asked us a few technical questions. He decided to blow us off after deciding that we were too far from completing our goals, etc. I talked to Firmage's main secretary Sharon about 6 months or so ago. She said she was laid-off from his business and explained about the various downturns they went through. I think he believed he was making the right decisions but in fact made some very bad choices. I am still on his mailing list for his public messages. But I just don't think he has anything left for any monetary assistance to us nor do I believe he will recover from his pitfalls. Too bad.

As far as Tom Bearden, we had some contact with he and members in his group and they all wish us luck. But we decided that it is best to have no connections with one another as we have different ideals about how to go about achieving success with our projects. They are making preparations to construct and market their MEG device in Europe (specifically in the UK with Myron Evans as Director).

I have mixed feelings about their probable success. I just think that there is too much paranoia amongst their group as they seem to not trust anybody anywhere about anything. You know that in business, there has to be a certain amount of trust. Especially if someone is going to fund a project with a fair amount of money. They deserve to know what is going on with their investment and have some control in how the funds are delegated, etc.

We have our Dunns and other DoD codes and will, I suppose, go after some grants. I fear that there is a fair amount of feather-beading in the DoD & DARPA's grant offerings to certain favored entities. We were almost guaranteed that DARPA would fund our project at UIC by the Director, Dr. Sivananthanon, as he knew the Director there at DARPA very well. However, another entity won out over us. We all knew what was going on but just let it go.

We would rather go with private funding such as with the international investment firm in San Diego. But this too remains sketchy as the economy has been so bad that there is not much going on and we don't expect much too happen in the near future anyway. I will be surprised if we do get funding in the next month or so.

We have very strong relations with Rolls Royce Deutschland's research group. I expect that at some point in the next year or so, we will initiate a contract to apply our smartskin technology to reduce radar signature in military stealth craft and pollution (noise & particle) in commercial jet aircraft with this technology. We have received their stamp of approval only to be put off by the airline economical downturn.

Yes, I have Kaku's book Hyperspace and value and respect the content of the book very much. It has come to the point where we have proven our technology mathematically. But we must construct and test our prototypes to prove once and for all that our design is truly feasible. It seems that going from the paper stage to constructing real devices has proven near impossible with the fickle investors and economy. We shall see what opportunities come our way in the future.

Personally I can't wait to prove ourselves. I don't care if we get funded by a blind Chinese Communist Drug cartel king or not. I just want to see closure to our project sometime before I die. Thanks again for your support. Please stay in touch!

Sincerely,Larry MaurerUNITEL, Inc.

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S-038. from Larry Maurer of UNITEL regarding the "plasma" aspects of their crystalline laser lens

From : Larry Maurer <[email protected]> To : [email protected] Subject : Re: you said the magic word -- PLASMA Date : Sun, 04 Nov 2001 14:37:26 -0800

At 03:56 PM 11/4/01 -0500, you wrote:

> Dear Mr. Maurer -- >> In a recent e-mail you used the word "plasma" in conjunction with your laser lens. Lately I've been seeing a lot of this topic that apparently I don't know much about. I had come across a couple of references which suggest that plasma has an effect on gravity and possibly the reverse. One was Fouche's claim of the TR-3B at http://www.ufomind.com/misc/1998/aug/d26-001.shtml and an analysis of that claim posted athttp://www.escribe.com/science/keelynet/m9395.html .>> The other was more of a scientific theory of plasma inducing gravity at=> http://www.goodfelloweb.com/nature/cgbi/index.html .>> Just for your info .... >> -- Mark

Mark:

Thanks for the info. Remember, timing and GeometroDynamics are important to create the most attractive plasma in town! How about a black hole at the end of the plasma with string-like characteristics? The bonding constant in the projected plasma is 1/137 whereby the ship in its capped-cone shape takes on the identity of 137 (the commutator) which will jump the links in the pulsed beaded RGB plasma. Now that's power, baby! Try and match that with an anti-matter propulsion. Or any other propulsion for that matter.

Also remember that our Niobium-Titanium exterior-charged smartskin hull is very similar to the world record breaking electromagnet that was 300,000 times stronger than the Earth's magnetic field. Check out the following email to the Director Yarris at Berkeley Labs. What part of this doesn't people like Sarfatti understand? I mean this is aside from our MQT capabilities. Pure propulsion through attraction!

Best wishes, Larry Maurer UNITEL

> Dear Mr. Yarris:

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> We are an aerospace R & D firm in Portland, OR and we would like to introduce our exciting aerospace propulsion project to you. Congratulations in your world record achievement. We hope that you and others at Berkeley Labs will take interest in our project as there are many similarities between your electromagnet and our proposed space vehicle. We have an international patent on the basic generic design with 10 claims.>> Basically, our proposed space vehicle's modulated, exteriorly charged hull is composed out of Niobium-Titanium as is your electromagnet. We will be able to store a vast amount of magnetic energy in the laminated, multi-layered hull. The energy will be released to provide an enormous amount of required energy in the form of a close-adhering cloud of electrons.

> Perhaps we can interest you in our design that has recently received much attention from top aerospace research firms. It may be possible that we can provide funding, perhaps matching funds from government grants, etc. Below is an email correspondence from Applied Sciences, Cedarville, OH who will be our subcontractor/manufacturer in various forthcoming prototype construction and testing projects. >> We were to receive funding from Rolls Royce Ltd. to provide funding for Applied Sciences until the recent tragedy that caused a drastic deficit in the airline industry economy. We are also interested in discussing the possibility of developing a mutual project with the A. Paul Alisvostos Labs ( www.cchem.berkeley.edu/~chemgrad/faculty/alivisatos.html ) to develop a free-standing, high-temperature II-VI compound crystallite RF activated laser lens. Please visit our web site at www.unitelnw.com . I hope to hear from you soon to discuss further the possibilities we can present to add to our mutual benefit of exploring electromagnets and their applications. Thank you,>> Sincerely, >> Larry D. Maurer> Principal & Director, Engineering > UNITEL, Inc. > (503) 232-2740 > www.unitelnw.com

S-039. from Larry Maurer of UNITEL regarding strange twists of fate

From : Larry Maurer <[email protected]> To : [email protected] Subject : Re: odds & ends & corrections Date : Mon, 05 Nov 2001 09:28:04 -0800

Mark:

Very interesting about the time-travel coincidence here. Remember our sightings back in 1981-82. I perpetually wonder "why me". Why were we singled out for more than one sighting. The first one from 10 feet away showing us everything about the craft that we advance today.

We applied and received a patent on it. When we wrote Dr. John A. Wheeler about our idea of mimicking a particle on a Macro level, part of his reply was that Feynman accredited Wheeler as

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defining an electron as a particle going backward in time. Did Wheeler see right through this as he knew about our sightings first-hand from his niece?

There are only certain possibilities about where these craft emanated from -- the Future, another planet, or a Top-Secret government project. The later is all but discounted because we would have been informed by now as the USAF and BMDO is very interested in our design. They refuse to drop us but never seem to come up with enough money to fund us.

Anyway Mark, I am starting to suspect. I know that the craft were and as our design is the same, are literally RF-(radar) invisible. I mean can you imagine the town of Eugene being buzzed night-after-night with police and hundreds of citizens witnessing the craft performing many aerial maneuvers did not appear on the local airport radar. The radar guys must have been going crazy! I mean they could run in their office, look at their radar screens and nothing would be there while the phone kept ringing off the wall.

Our second sighting we had was less than 3 miles from the Eugene airport. What we have is the ultimate stealth machine. And perhaps a time-machine to boot!

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S-040. from Larry Maurer of UNITEL regarding his UFO sighting and its influence on the UNITEL craft

From : Larry Maurer <[email protected]> To : [email protected] Subject : Re: YOU HAVE BEEN CHOSEN !!! Date : Tue, 06 Nov 2001 00:35:54 -0800

At 02:16 PM 11/5/01 -0500, you wrote:

> Mr. Maurer: >> I suspect that Wheeler was way ahead of his time. But like the mathematician Gauss, he was probably too politically "correct" to make waves in these new areas of metaphysics.>> In those early 1950 books, Keyhoe frequently reported saucers being seen visually but not on radar. Corso hinted that some of today's stealth came from back-engineering. But he didn't elaborate whether for secrecy reasons or he was guessing. Lazar said he was taught that the "distortion" field these discs create (and that "attracts" them in spite of the fact the field is always moving as it is "projected") somehow warps the atmosphere and creates visual mirages. Some of the mind-boggling maneuvers -- he suggests -- are more of an illusion than the real thing. He said it somewhat depends on where the angle-of-sight too. If they can do that with the visual spectrum, I guess anything electromagnetic in nature is vulnerable. Mark Farmer said the military is working on a "null field" which will "bend light" around a plane. He doesn't know if alien technology is responsible for that.>> "Close Encounters" weaved reported true experiences into the film script. One key theme was certain people were "chosen" to be able to witness these sights. The film never gave answers as to 'why' only these people. (New Age types will evoke "channeling". Boylan claims that they've found an ET "marker gene" in 1 out of every 400-or-so people.)>> I remember one video testimony by a Belgian commander of an air force base. His base picked up a dozen UFOs on radar. As soon as he gave the order to intercept, they started BLINKING off the radar screen. He was convinced they knew what the base was communicating among its people. He said the words hardly left his mouth when the next sweep of the radar scope showed less UFOs than the sweep before.>> During the Bentwaters (Rendlesham Forest) incident in England, military policemen were walking around the object. Their shadows appeared on the hull. What unnerved them was that their "shadows" seemed to anticipate their very next body movement by a fraction of a second. Almost as if "they" KNEW ahead-of-time what the men were going to do and were "manipulating" the shadows. I think bits of that theme appeared also in the Sagan "Contact" movie where Jodie Foster would "blur" out and say something that she would say in "real" time later on. I think these movie writers get their ideas from real or postulated events/theories. The "Matrix" was supposedly based on Holographic Time Portals and the Everett/Wheeler "Many Worlds" theory. "Dreamscape" borrowed from the CIA's attempts to create assassins out of remote-viewers. >

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> Corso, Oberth, and others have postulated the discs behave more like a "time machine" than a "Point-A to Point-B" type vehicle. I don't know if this reported behavior is actually violating causality or if they are in some other time "field" that is interrelated to ours. Nichols (Montauk) is always talking about time loops and how "Montauk" messed up things good. When you bring in Wheeler's "Many Worlds" and all its interpretations with different time lines possibly intersecting and all that -- wow ... that's a real academic can-of-worms!>> -- Mark

Mark:

Check out the email I sent to Daniel Zieg, Director, BMDO. I have way more proof than this concerning the radar invisibility of the spacecraft design that we advance and what we and hundreds of citizens of Eugene, OR saw in January 1982.

Please check out the graphics that describe our first sighting near Mt. Jefferson OR on Oct 18, 1981 at http://www.unitelnw.com/sg.htm . This strange maneuver by the lights we saw precluded one of the light pellets (from 2 motherships) traveling down the streak and -- after the four of us hikers began flashing our flashlights at -- flew over to the nearby ridge and began hovering and following us as we walked towards the north along the Cascade Carl lakes trail.

At that time, we thought we hailed a helicopter and did not wave our flashlights anymore. The craft then flew around and came at us from the east and landed 10 feet from us. The craft then hovered turned off its main light and turned on an interior light for us then flew off into the night sky leaving a trail of sparks. On the night of December 22, 1981, we (Mike Miller, my 11 yr. old son Jason, and I) were buzzed by several of the smaller ships and we saw the mother ship that looked like the Goodyear blimp with the smaller vehicles orbiting around (bound state mode) as it lifted out of sight into the night sky.

We will of course finish the rest of the first sighting's graphics but I want to send this first part of the sighting to Bruce Maccabee to get his opinion of exactly what this maneuver was for. Perhaps some kind of EM energy accumulation from the Earth's atmosphere. We also want to contact the Eugene police and newspaper in Eugene to get descriptions of sightings that happened in Eugene in January '82. Of course, since Lockheed was just building the stealth planes, the DoD squelched any news items about radar-invisible UFOs. Makes sense.

Regards,Larry MaurerUNITEL, Inc.

Please review the attached materials that includes the January 1982 Eugene Register-Guard newspaper article about the many sightings of UFOs in the Eugene, OR area and the fact that "no radar contact was made". This is why federal investigators paid no attention to the incidents and totally disregarded the reports made by Eugene police.

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>> Below is a copy of the article from ITAR-TASS, a Russian news agency, that describes a plasma technique of creating an invisible radar cloak that is effective or supercedes Stealth or LO technology. This is absolute proof that it is highly possible that the UFOs were using a similar type of radar-cloaking by controlling electromagnetic energy surrounding each UFO vehicle. In fact, we intend to include radar-cloaking in our proposed research of our own, similar technology and design of Unitel's aerospace vehicles. This also gives credence to our sightings, and the sightings reported by Eugene police back in 1981-82, which we reported to the FBI in Eugene on April 23, 1986.>> >> Regards,>> Larry >>

>>> Russian Scientists Created Revolutionary Low Observability Technologies>>> Moscow, January 20th. /Nicolai Novichkov, ITAR-TASS information agency/>>> Research team of the Recearch Center named after M.V. Keldysh has developed new technologies allowing dramatic decrease in aircrafts' radar observability. Russian approach to low observability (LO) technologies is completely different from US stealth and offers complete furtiveness of the protected object at a significantly lower price. An exclusive interview about these technologies was conducted by Nicolai Novichkov, ITAR-TASS with director of the Center, academic of Russian Scientific Academy Anatoliy Korteev.>>>

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>>> As academic explained, American approach to LO (Stealth technology) applied on B-2, F-117A, and fifth generation fighter F-22 "Raptor" is based on the following principles. The airframes of these aircrafts are designed to minimize their radar cross section (RCS), avoid all possible elements of the structure, which could reflect electromagnetic radiation. In order to minimize reflected radiation radio absorbing materials (RAM) are also applied to the surface of the structure. The main drawbacks of the Stealth technology are its negative effects on the flight and agility characteristics of the stealth aircrafts. >>>>>> Russian scientists approached the issue from the other direction. They proposed to create a plasma formation around protected object, which prevents radars from seeing it. Thus, aerodynamical characteristics of the plane itself do not suffer. Without interfering with technical characteristics the artificially created plasma cloud surrounding the plane guarantees more than hundred times decrease in its observability. >>>>>> The physics of plasma protection can be described as following. If an object is surrounded by a cloud of plasma, several phenomena are observed when the cloud interacts with electromagnetic waves radiated by enemy radar. First, an absorption of electromagnetic energy occurs in the cloud, since during plasma penetration it interacts with plasma charged particles, pass onto them a portion of its energy, and fades. Second, due to specific physical processes, electromagnetic wave tends to pass around plasma cloud. Both of these phenomena results in dramatic decrease of the reflected signal.>>>>>> Static and flight experiments proved the effectiveness of this technology. The first-generation devices, producing plasma field surrounding an aircraft and decreasing reflected signal were created in the Center. Later, a possibility of creating second generation advanced systems (capable of not only decreasing reflected signal and changing its wavelength, but also producing some false signals) was discovered. Such systems significantly complicate determination of actual aircraft's speed, its location and leads to development of completely new approaches to LO provision, unachievable to conventional Stealth technology. Furthermore, the weight of the systems developed in Russia do not exceed 100 kg, and power consumption ranges from kilowatts to tens of kilowatts.>>>>>> Advances in development of the third generation LO systems allowed to clear the systems of first and second generation for export, commented academic Anatoliy Korteev. >>>>>> 26/01/99>>> (c) ITAR-TASS,>>> Translation by Philip Kaploun.

>>>> Here is a more detailed, technical source for electromagnetic cloaking of Unitel's exteriorly charged vehicle:>>

>>> Plasma Surface Wave Theory>>> Kevin J. Bowers>>> (Professor Charles K. Birdsall)>>> (DOE) DE-FG03-97ER54446 and Hertz Foundation Fellowship>>>

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>>> The theory of resonance oscillations in a non-uniform thermal plasma [1], and the electrostatic surface wave theory [2] have been extended. The new theory is fully electromagnetic. The theory is being used to investigate large area plasma sources and sheath phenomena. For a planar plasma loaded waveguide, the theory predicts two classes of waves. Modes with TE (transverse electric) like field components can be found by solving Maxwell's equations with a non-uniform dielectric given by the local cold plasma dielectric. These modes are unaffected by thermal effects in the limit of this theory. Modes with transverse magnetic (TM) like field components are more complicated. Electron inertial and thermal effects allow new quasi-electrostatic (QES) modes to propagate below the peak electron plasma frequency similar to Tonk-Dattner resonances. The dispersion curves for a plasma loaded waveguide have been solved and compared to the predictions of the electrostatic theory and simulation [3].>>> >>> Attached is a plot showing a QES wave trapped in the sheath of a non-uniform thermal plasma. We are exploring several investigations, applications and extensions of surface wave theory:>>> >>> coupling of wave guiding structures with the plasma for large area surface wave sustained discharges>>> heating mechanisms associated with resonantly sustained discharges>>> transition of a capacitively coupled plasma into a resonantly coupled plasma and the long-time scale evolution of resonantly sustained discharges>>> investigation of kinetic and nonlinear effects>>> dispersion calculations for different geometries and the addition of a steady state magnetic field>>>>>> Figure 1: Antisymmetric perturbed potential in a symmetric warm non-uniform plasma between parallel plates as a function of distance from the midplane and drive frequency (relative to the peak electron plasma frequency). Small signal electrostatic model. Shows Bohm-Gross waves tunneling into the bulk plasma. >>>>>>>>> [1] J. V. Parker, J. C. Nickel, and R. W. Gould, "Resonance Oscillations in a Hot Nonuniform Plasma," Physics of Fluids, Vol. 7, No. 9, September 1964. >>> [2] D. J. Cooperberg, "Electron Surface Waves in a Nonuniform Plasma Slab," Physics of Plasmas, Vol. 5, No. 4, April 1998. >>> [3] C. K. Birdsall and K. J. Bowers, abstract also in this Research Summary.>>> >>> >>> More information (http://ptsg.eecs.berkeley.edu) or>>> >>> Send mail to the author : ([email protected])

S-041. from Larry Maurer of UNITEL (follow-up to #40)

From : Larry Maurer <[email protected]> To : [email protected] Subject : Re: plasma sheathing Date : Tue, 06 Nov 2001 10:47:05 -0800

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At 08:10 AM 11/6/01 -0500, you wrote:

> Mr. Maurer -- >> I first found mention of Russian "plasma sheathing" as their alternative to RAM-stealth at that fighter board => http://pub21.ezboard.com/bfighterplanes . That particular topic resurfaces again and again there (sometimes embedded within other topics so it doesn't necessarily stand-out in the titles). You have the die-hard American types saying it's only a "theory" and has never flown in any operational combat aircraft. And the other side claims that is only because of the state of the Russian economy and that this "black box" can make any plane stealthy. I don't know if this is what Farmer ("Agent X") was on to concerning that "null field" he mentioned.>> How does this "plasma" field interact with that "close adhering cloud of electrons" in your design? A long time ago when the space shuttle was being designed, I vaguely remember NASA opting for the second-choice of heat protection -- the tiles -- as opposed to their first-choice. I can't remember exactly what that was, but I think their decision was based on more on unproven technology as the tiles were more expensive.> > That fighter-board also mentioned new "invisible" AA missiles and Russian anti-missile EMP weapons. >> What is this 'book' you referred to? Is it something you personally or UNITEL corporately is producing? By all means, let me know when it's available!>> -- Mark

Mark :

Believe me -- what we saw and what hundreds of citizens from Eugene saw was real. It was obvious that the craft were radar invisible. The book I refer to is Michael Miller and I in an autobiography entitled "Flying Colors". It starts in July 1981 when I was getting ready to join the Navy to learn to fly.

My former boss and head of the mechanical dept. Ray Nyls was encouraging me too do so. Ray was a former USAF fighter pilot but I did not know he was also second in command with Project Blue Book and Base commander of Selfridge AFB with J. Allen Hyneck and Carl Sagan both stationed there also in 1966-67.

I queried Ray about all of this after I was accosted by the UFOs. But he did not want to talk about anything. This was quite a shock to me as we were pretty close up until then. I will not mention his name in my book nor will I even talk to him about anything either. I sometimes wonder though.... When we finish the book, I will send you a copy.

Did you check out the graphics of our sighting? Strange maneuver, huh? Thanks for the information, "stealth". Stay in touch!

Larry

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S-042. from Larry Maurer of UNITEL regarding his sighting report sent to the U.S. UFO IRC

From : Larry Maurer <[email protected]> To : [email protected] Subject : Fwd: Re: UNITEL, Inc. - Graphics Date : Wed, 07 Nov 2001 09:18:07 -0800Attachment : streak.jpg (7k)

> Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 09:16:58 -0800 > to: "United States UFO Information and Research Center"> <[email protected]> > From: Larry Maurer <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: UNITEL, Inc. - Graphics >> That's okay, Allen. Just wanted to let you know that our company's V-P Andrew Moore finally got the time to catch up on the graphics he started a while back. Although considered not top priority, the graphics of the sighting are important to me personally. This maneuver (or whatever the craft were doing) was very strange. Strange enough for the four of us to signal them with our flashlights.

It was just after dark when we finally leveled off near Forked Butte which is approx. 3 mi due South from Mt. Jefferson in the Cascade range of Oregon. There have been many documented sightings of UFOs near that area as you shall find out. We had been hiking all day and decided to continue on after reaching our original destination -- Carl Lake -- which was nothing but a mosquito mud hole.

It was phenomenally warm weather on a Sunday, October 18, 1981 as my reason for the hike was to get ready for Navy flight school (boot camp). Which because of what we saw changed my life forever and I did not join the Navy after that.

After we had signaled these craft (as we didn't have any idea that they were UFOs), my friend Michael Miller said "Watch this! I am going to flash a Fibonacci sequence at them." Right after that, one of the little light pellets that you see in the graphics started toward us from a couple of miles from the West and started hovering on top of the nearby ridge you see in the graphics also to the West. The craft slowly followed us as we continued North along the trail towards Mt. Jefferson. We turned our flashlights toward the ground as everyone agreed that the craft that was tracking us (for around 45 min.) was probably a rescue helicopter.>> NOT! I will never forget -- when we reached a vast canyon drop off on our trail and the craft dropped out of sight -- when the lady that was with us suddenly told the rest of us that the craft was coming at us from the East across a large flat area that was snow covered, a few feet above the snow. The craft was snaking back-and-forth like it was looking for something. The hair on my back was starting to stand out in fear as the craft was snaking more and more towards us about one mile away.

> As it got near suddenly like a snake on a mouse, the craft suddenly went BOINK! and was directly 10 feet in front of us! The woman screamed a blood-curdling scream as I nearly had a heart attack!>> The craft made no noise except a hissing of melting snow beneath it and suddenly turned off its main light, revealing the 3-part red, green, and blue lens and then turned on an interior light. All we

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could see inside was what looked like a sewing machine box-sized panel. Large chunks of what looked like slag from a welder's torch coming off the flame like corona at the stern.

The vehicle suddenly turned … popped a couple of hundred feet away from us … and then ascended into the night sky. When the vehicle ascended, it left a shower of sparks, somewhat like an old Buster Crabbe space ship from the 1930's. When we got back to Miller's house, I drew a picture of what we were shown and everyone agreed that the drawing was a good representation of what we saw.

> On the evening of December 22, 1981, my son Jason (11 yrs. old at the time), Michael Miller, and myself were jumped by more than a dozen craft of the same type and the mothership (appearing much like the Goodyear blimp) with the smaller vehicles orbiting around it. 5 years later after studying everything about what we saw, we applied for and received a US patent, then a Japanese patent.>> Thought you would like to see this part. I welcome all ideas on what these craft were doing aside from just getting our attention. We will finish not only the graphics of the entire event but also the Dec 22,'81 event along with the sightings over Eugene OR in Jan '82. Interesting, huh?>> Regards,> Larry

>At 05:49 AM 11/7/01 -0500, you wrote: >

>> Dear Larry... >>>> I am so sorry that I have not yet had a chance to look at the sighting graphics you sent me, nor to respond to the request you made recently concerning the question as to whether or not I could "complete" the graphic... My deepest and most sincere apologies... I have been involved deeply with construction projects here on the property as well as finding a new job and attending the conference in Mobile, Alabama this weekend... Forgive me... I will attempt to get back to you as soon as I can in this matter... I will be back in the office on Tuesday of next week... Until then... You have my sincere and humble gratitude for your efforts in keeping us informed as to the status and implications of your work... >>

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>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>>From: <mailto:[email protected]>Larry Maurer >>>To: <mailto:[email protected]>[email protected] >>>Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 2:26 PM

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>>>Subject: UNITEL, Inc. - Graphics >>>>>>Allen: >>>>>>Please check out the graphics that is part of our initial sighting near Mt. Jefferson, OR, Oct.18, 1981.>>>>>>Larry

S-043. from Bruce Maccabee regarding UFO physics and "real physics"

From : bruce maccabee <[email protected]> To : "Lawrence B. Crowell" <[email protected]> CC : ruce maccabee <[email protected]>, "Nicole Tedesco" <[email protected]>, "[unknown]" <[email protected]>, "Jack Sarfatti, Ph.D. Physicist" <[email protected]>, "Stephen Schwartz" <[email protected]>, "David Gladstone" <[email protected]>, "Allen Cohen" <[email protected]>, "Alan Parker" <[email protected]>, "Andres Hurtado Denegri" <[email protected]>, "APOLLINAIR" <[email protected]>, "Brotherblue93" <[email protected]>, "Bruce D. Curtis" <[email protected]>, "Carrawae" <[email protected]>, "Congressman Dana" <[email protected]>, "Damnation Smith" <[email protected]>, "Davey Crock Full Of Macro Shift" <[email protected]>, "Decker1" <[email protected]>, "Doctor Jibar Rish" <[email protected]>, "Don Tveter" <[email protected]>, "Eldon Byrd" <[email protected]>, "Ellen Smith" <[email protected]>, "Faustin" <[email protected]>, "Foggy Writer" <[email protected]>, "Gary G. Ford" <[email protected]>, "Gary Zukav" <[email protected]>, "GeorgeWeis" <[email protected]>, "Glen Lindenstadt" <[email protected]>, "Henry Monteith" <[email protected]>, "Hinckley & Susan Waitt" <[email protected]>, "Hippy Dippy Doo Doo" <[email protected]>, "Howard Fertman" <[email protected]>, "JagdishM" <[email protected]>, "Jeffrey" <[email protected]>, "Joel Achenbach" <[email protected]>, "Joel Kohn" <[email protected]>, "John Paul Marshall" <[email protected]>, "Karel. Havik" <[email protected]>, "Joseph207" <[email protected]>, "Kathryn Sullivan (MP)" <[email protected]>, "Klaskey" <[email protected]>, "Lara Flintstone" <[email protected]>, "MagickMirr" <[email protected]>, <[email protected]>, "Mata Hari Von Brownie" <[email protected]>, "Michael Sarfatti" <[email protected]>, "Mike Coyle" <[email protected]>, "Paul Von Ward" <[email protected]>, "Peter Rabid Buttlick" <[email protected]>, "Uri Geller" <[email protected]> Subject : UFO PHYSICS and real physics Date : Wed, 7 Nov 2001 13:18:49 -0500

With all the discussions of esoteric physical theories which might apply to UFOs if they were real, this discussion seems to have branched away from the basic question. Do UFO reports contain descriptions of truly new phenomena indicative of Other Intelligences "messing around" in our environs?

Since we know "nothing" a priori about such hypothetical phenomena and beings, we cannot use a "positive proof" such as the duck argument (i.e., "if it looks like, walks like, and talks like, then it is") which basically is this: If an observed phenomenon has the following characteristics (e.g., characteristic a, characteristic b, c, etc.), then it can be identified as such and such.

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We don't know what the characteristics of an alien spaceship, for example, should be. (Some theories might predict certain phenomena associated with advanced space travel..... ) However, we know the characteristics of conventional phenomena. Hence when a person or persons report an observation (or film, videotape, detection on radar, effects on the ground, on automobiles, on animals etc.), we can compare the reported characteristics with the characteristics of known phenomena and make a decision as to whether or not the characteristics match. If the reported phenomena have characteristics different from all known phenomena, then we have something new ("unidentified").

I claim that there are reports of phenomena/objects which defy explanation by conventional physics/science. To claim that there are no TRue UFOs (TRUFOs) or no "flying saucers" is to claim that ALL such sightings can be explained by conventional phenomena.

Larry has basically made that claim. Therefore let's see his explanations. Grounded in conventional physics, of course.

S-044. from Larry Maurer of UNITEL referring to a response he received from Bruce Maccabee

From : Larry Maurer <[email protected]>To : [email protected] : Fwd: Re: Fwd: Re: UNITEL, Inc. - GraphicsDate : Wed, 07 Nov 2001 19:12:53 -0800

> Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 19:10:08 -0800> To: [email protected]> From: Larry Maurer <[email protected]>> Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: UNITEL, Inc. - Graphics> > Dr. Maccabee: > > Thank you for your prompt and valued response. First of all, please realize that we are doing the best we can with the graphics and the software we have to work with. The four of us were looking westward toward this strange light show that these vehicles were putting on. At the time we had no idea what the heck it was and we started flashing our flashlights at the lights that were a mile or so off to the west of us.

> When the light streaks appeared, the effect was much like a solid shaft of light similar to a bolt of lightning. The streaks were at right angles at all times. First the light streak would appear. Then a light pellet (looked much like a "pong" in the familiar old Atari computer game) appeared to "fall" straight down the beam. Then a light streak 90degrees from the beam coming straight down towards the ground and the pellet would travel along in the beam, paralleling the ground in a straight line. Then the reverse whereby the beam would shoot straight up and the pellet of light would fall upwards to the blinking white light that was identical to a standard aircraft warning (white) light.

> This process would be repeated several times by both sets of lights until after signaling with our flashlights, one of the "pellets" came flying towards us and stopped, hovering at the top of the nearby ridge. That is when the white light appeared like it could have been a helicopter with a white searchlight and began slowly tracking us as we started walking along the trail in a northerly direction.

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> You know the rest of what happened after that. But we are scratching our heads wondering what the maneuver that the craft were performing meant. In other words, what was the probable purpose for this? Would this maneuver enhance the EM propulsion system by interacting with the Earth's magnetic field be like rubbing a balloon against a wall to create static -e attraction? Just wondering what you might think what the probable reason for this maneuver was for. Could be a key to understanding further how the type of craft that we along with hundreds of citizens in Eugene saw.

One thing, Dr. Maccabee, is that the beam that we saw in front of the ship that came to land ten feet in front of us looked like a normal white light. In other words, there was no intense white lightning bolt that would make the solid streak that we saw when the craft were going up and down in the curious maneuver. It definitely proved that the smaller craft could produce a tremendous amount of power in its projected beam. Very strange indeed! We sure would like to get your opinion on what the maneuver could have possibly meant concerning quantum optical physics involved, etc. We look forward to hearing from you. >> We haven't mentioned our sightings much as we felt that bringing any UFO stuff into our efforts to get patents, associates, and construct prototypes as it would only hurt us. However, the 20-year anniversary of the Eugene sightings of the same craft are approaching and we would like to add graphics of other witnessed reports to ours. We will be traveling down to talk to the Eugene police and the Eugene Register-Guard newspaper soon to gather the sighting information.

> There are 2 things going on with our project. (A) What we saw and (B) what we can build. Those 2 things are getting almost indistinguishable between them. We came close to funding by Rolls Royce, Boeing Aerospace and Honda. Lockheed has told us they want in on the project when our first prototype is "in place". I can't wait for that day. Kelly Johnson would come right out of his grave to join this project at the Skunkworks! I hope to hear your response at your earliest convenience.>> Sincerely,> Larry Maurer> UNITEL, Inc.>>At 07:43 PM 11/7/01 -0500, you wrote:>

>>I looked at you graphic. Are you indicating that the craft zipped down toward the ground then back up? Not sure what is being shown.

S-045. from Larry Maurer of UNITEL regarding how they conceived the idea for their patent

From : Larry Maurer <[email protected]>To : [email protected] : Re: send me your mailing address ... Date : Wed, 07 Nov 2001 20:12:55 -0800

At 06:28 PM 11/7/01 -0500, you wrote:

> Mr. Maurer -->

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> It would be unnerving enough to be driving alone and see a UFO up in the distant sky. But to have such an encounter up close -- I don't know how you could keep from panic. Was your son the "coolest" of all -- sometimes kids can handle weird things better than their parents?>> Yesterday I didn't get around to any emails because I was raking leaves after work. Then today at the State Capitol complex, the servers got some Nimda virus and we were without computers all day. So this is the first chance I've had to view my mailboxes in 2 days.>> I have to read your description of the sighting again and correlate it with your impressive graphic image. I'm sure I'm missing something. Tomorrow I will have more time.>>I made you a copy of the limited UVO documentaries I have on a 6-hr VHS tape. Give me a mailing address and I'll send it off to you. I also made a MS-Word version of my web-site on CD. In case it ever got deleted from the web. At least people will have electronic copies of all the documents in a compact format.>>I re-read Chica Bruce's "The Philadelphia Experiment Murder". She used the case of Phil Schneider to start with and then expanded it to include wild hypotheses of alternate worlds. She suggests that perhaps history evolved differently in one of these other universes/timelines and people have "deja vu" memories when "bleedthroughs" occur to 'this' universe. She and others say that people like Schneider and Nichols may have been involved in "Dulce Wars" and "The Montauk Project" in these other timelines and bleedthroughs cause them to think it happened in our current reality.>>But what I found particularly interesting was an alternative thesis for the Philadelphia Experiment. A 'Bob Beckwith' electronic engineering specialist told her "radar invisibility" was no concern for the Navy during WWII -- it was of prime concern for the Air Force in the air war over Europe. The Navy was more concerned with German magnetic and submerged mines that was disrupting the shipping lanes. Tesla showed Teller (not von Neumann!) an experiment where he used some electric field arrangement to cause an object to move back to where it was on his lab bench a minute ago. Not "teleportation" in its purest sense ... but time travel back to where it had been giving the illusion of teleportation. Teller scaled this up to an experimental minesweeper to see if when the crew detected a mine, they could flip a switch and return to where they were 5 minutes ago and hence make course corrections. What happened was the vessel in the Philadelphia harbor returned to where it was 2 weeks prior. This Beckwith guy said Corso validated his story and said additional work was done along these lines. But Corso didn't specifically say Montauk so it's still guesswork. The USS Eldridge story was allowed to evolve as Navy disinformation.. Some of that makes sense. She goes on to explain this "divided space" phenomena as creating ball lightning and might be responsible for globs of plasma seemed "dripping" from UFOs. >>I'll send her book for you and send that along in the package. As with the videotape, not everything in there is true and some of it sounds plain ridiculous. But it might give you an idea to explain something that has been puzzling you and Mike. When did you come up with the idea of the RF modulated laser lens? Was it something that you purchased from an expired patent? Or did everything come from this close encounter sighting? Or did that just influence the design for your proposed interstellar craft? How did the Incunabula people contribute for you? I have lots of questions ... >

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>I'll close for now and look at your graphic representation of your encounter more closely tomorrow. I'll forward you an email I received from Bruce Maccabee ... he must be on Sarfatti's mailing list too. I don't know how I'm getting all these emails>> -- Mark

Dear Mark:

Thanks! You would not believe the incredible amount of ridicule we have received over the years from being involved in our projects. I learned a long time ago not to even breathe the word "UFO" as it only hurts us. I am looking forward to meeting again with the Eugene Police Dept. Those cops didn't like it much either to have a so-called federal investigator come over and tell them they were probably seeing "kites with candles". They weren't stupid, crazy, or hallucinating on drugs. And neither were we or the hundreds of witnesses from Eugene.

Concerning my son Jason, he was 11 yrs old at the time and was crying his eyes out and totally scared out of his mind. I tried to calm him but Mike and I were in a state of being awe struck. I would pull over about every 500 ft. and we would get out of the car and look at these many strange vehicles that were flying around us. Some were flying sideways or stopped hovering much like a helicopter. Others were streaking back-and-forth at 12 o'clock high leaving orange streaks as they flew above us, high in the sky. Quite an experience.

We only had those 2 sightings, though. After the second sighting, I didn't know what to expect next. I thought for sure that we would get some kind of closure on the incidences. But there was none. I talked to a U.S. DoD representative, a Dr. Frank DeVarona (the famous Olympic swimmer Donna DeVarona's brother) who officially denied that they were U.S. aircraft. I remember the phone conversation with him when he laughed and said "what is the hull made out of, boys? diamonds?" Ironically, in 1992 we changed our hull design to include the exteriorly-charged synthetic diamond surface layer.

When did we come up with the idea of the RF-modulated laser lens? Only after our Type V design that matched what we were shown that night on Oct.18, '81 where the craft turned off its main light and then turned on an interior light. It was like a car door opening turning on an interior light. We could definitely see through the red, green, & blue lens as it was semitransparent.

Until the time we met with Dr. R.C. Hwa (head of the Theoretical School of Science, Univ. of Oregon), our design (Types I thru IV) was sort of like a television set. Nothing like what we saw. We were hoping to come up with a beam emitter that was made out of existing technology. Dr. Hwa told us (after he "tore us a new one!") that he believed that the lens could be made out of a semiconducting crystal and that the crystal had to be RF transparent. That narrowed things down quite a bit.

I proposed to Mike that our lens be made out of the II-VI semiconducting compounds -- Cadmium Sulfide-Telluride and RF-powered. This was matching what we saw to a "T"! We knew absolutely that the beam be RF-modulated because the sound field is a solid requirement for our system to work.

It's interesting to note that the very week that we were putting together our design, it was suddenly in the news that the local school where my children attended was possibly being shut down because they found "Cadmium" in the school's water supply! We found no flaws in our type V design and then applied for a U.S. patent on a generic version of the design and then we were awarded the patent with 10 claims later.

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I want to draw on my Autocad a 3-D exploded view of the all-important lens for future fabrication. This involves a well thought-out method of fabrication of the lens that was suggested by Mike deBruzzi of EPI- MBE equipment manufacturers in St. Paul, MO. Mike was the guy that finally located a lab that worked with II-VI compounds at UIC MP Labs.

You can send the package to: UNITEL, Inc., P.O. Box 42585, Portland, OR 97242-0585. I look forward to answering your many questions as I am literally bubbling over with facts and figures!

Mark, I can't wait for the day when we can fire our little puppy up and fly the dang thing past those naysayer's (like Jackass Sarfatti) noses! We don't know who or where the craft we saw back in 1981 came from. But I will tell you this. They were not some kind of hoax, apparition, hologram, kites with candles, or anything like that. They were real machines that moved with incredible speed and maneuverability. Whoever builds these craft first will literally rule this planet with unlimited ceiling. They would be able to knock down anything in the air and jump out to a safe zone unscathed in outer space.

Hopefully, someone here in the States will listen to us and immediately build prototypes. I am willing to stake my life on this design! Jack Sarfatti can come and personally shoot me dead if it doesn't work! We have so much proof and technical support from associates that are known internationally for their expertise that we could virtually become a number one aerospace firm in the world overnight. Hopefully, StealthSkater, you will witness us progress to that point soon. Stay tuned my friend!

Best wishes,Larry MaurerUNITEL, Inc.

S-046. from Larry Maurer of UNITEL regarding a graphic he made of the cigar-shaped UFO

From : Larry Maurer <[email protected]>To : [email protected] : UNITEL, Inc.- Graphics- ZeppelinDate : Wed, 07 Nov 2001 22:33:06 -0800Attachment : Zep_36a.bmp (386k)

Mark :

FYI - Here is a graphic I did of a zeppelin I modified to look like the large cigar-shaped mothership of our design and what we saw in '81.

Thanks,Larry MaurerUNITEL, Inc.

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S-047. from Larry Maurer of UNITEL regarding "Prototype 1-A"

From : Larry Maurer <[email protected]>To : <[email protected]>Subject : Re: Chica's alternative P-X hypothesisDate : Thu, 08 Nov 2001 10:36:03 -0800

At 10:26 AM 11/8/01 -0500, you wrote:

> I'm almost ready to send this package of reference material off to you. It will include Chica Bruce's latest book. It had some new re-interpreyations on "Many Worlds" / alternate timelines that I hadn't seen before. Stuff that is way Way WAY out there! The one section that might be of passing interest to you is what I'm attaching here (so you won't have to wait). It sort of makes more sense to me and sheds a new light on teleportation being a form of backward time travel. I'll add it to my site this weekend. That 'Bob King' guy from New Zealand (in his email to me that I posted) has all along said that the intent of the P-X was NOT 'radar invisibility' but indeed "teleportation" so Chica's excerpt tends to corroborate that.>

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> I noticed the reconstructed UNITEL site no longer mentions Protoype 1-A. I assume that is still in the construction phase? Even though we've been discussing the interstellar craft quite a bit lately, is it still UNITEL's intentions to try to market the quantum computer first? I know what you mean ... I've had several friends who have "disowned" me because of my interest/belief in UFOs. And I have heard of people whose superiors or co-workers (in private industry or the military) will refuse to socially mix with them anymore once they press for an answer on a black ops type project. Almost as if they themselves or their families have been threatened. You wondered why the UFO revealed itself to you. But did you ever wonder why the government didn't try to discredit UNITEL (or did they)?>> -- Mark

Hello Mark!

Thanks again for your diligent interest in our progress. Yes, Prototype 1-A is to be the initial experimental version of our quantum optical computer; "HOLO-1". We have UIC doing the hardware and KHD doing the magneto-optical software. What more would the investor want to reassure him that our project is a sound investment with a minimal risk? We have at least two well-known collegiate institutions that have impeccable records of success and innovation. That is why we want to build and test our quantum computer project first.

Concerning our aerospace endeavors, we have Flight Unlimited with its associate partners (Barrett, Froning, Puthoff, etc.) ready with a proposal to construct a prototype that will partially prove the feasibility of our propulsion system design. We also have Applied Sciences ready to construct a small prototype of our smartskin that Rolls Royce wanted to do before the 9/11 WTO incident. We can do all this for $5 million on a 24-month contract. That's not a lot considering that Michael Mann (senior VP, Lockheed-Martin) who told me that Lockheed wants to come in with a minimum of $100 million to invest into UNITEL after our initial prototype is "in place".

Our Government has had several chances to get involved and has never threatened us. But it is obvious that the various projects and departments are controlled by payoffs etc. I think that they are hoping that we will just go away and never get anywhere with our so-called wild, way-out design! I think that once we get our story with moving graphics of our sightings coupled with sightings from others in the Eugene area, the public will put much pressure on our Government to build our prototypes.

I am waiting to hear from Bruce Maccabee about his latest opinion on our reported sighting to the FBI (as we were encouraged by the Eugene Police) in 1986. Back then we had a major U.S. Senator -- Sen. Mark O. Hatfield -- that was really laying the pressure on the DoD to treat us fairly. Hatfield really put the fear of God into those rats back then. But the DoD only kept their wrath for us under their breaths and we never really got anywhere with them. We need more politicians to get re-involved to help us get started. I have plenty of official correspondences to show to prove this too, Mark. Stay in touch!

Larry MaurerUNITEL, Inc.

S-048. from Larry Maurer of UNITEL regarding using their "smartskin" to bend radar signals

From : Larry Maurer <[email protected]>81

To : <[email protected]> Subject : Re: another extract from Chica's book ... Date : Thu, 08 Nov 2001 10:44:19 -0800

At 11:42 AM 11/8/01 -0500, you wrote:

> You'll get this (and more) in my package. At first I didn't want to include it because -- well, frankly -- I didn't believe this guy's claims. It's this 'Beckwith' person talking to Chica in an interview. He claims that he was told that this "back time-travel" pseudo-teleportation is used in today's modern day minesweepers of a class of ships known as "Osprey".>>"... "The ships' hulls are a solid, continuous mocoque structure laminated from special fiberglass and resin. They are easy to maintain and flex to absorb the violent shock of an underwater mine explosion. The ships are designed to have very low magnetic and acoustic signatures, giving them an added margin of safety during operations." This description seems to suggest that the ships' laminate is related to the coating on stealth fighters and that is apparently the state-of-the-art in 'radar invisibility'. The officer leading the tour told him that there is no iron of any kind allowed on the ship, not even paperclips. Beckwith believes that this "fiberglass" construction is made of Carbon 14 which he says is '10,000 stronger than normal Carbon 12 diamonds and is also a superconductor over a wide temperature range'. Beckwith is convinced that these class of minesweepers have the "ability to bop around the world thus extending the ability of the IX-97 by 60 years." In other words, the superconducting hulls confer controlled teleportation capabilities to the ships. In addition, he believes that these Osprey class boats have the ability to generate a field around them which keeps them one second ahead of the universal space timeline; thereby enabling them to evade detection of any kind. A crew member told him that the men hate whenever they have to salvage enemy mines and get on deck in order to do so because that is the only time they can ever been seen. Otherwise, if the men are within the field of the ship's cabin, they -- along with the entire vessel -- are completely invisible. ...">> -- Mark

Mark:

With our exterior-charged smartskin, we can bend radar signals around or even absorb the signal. I want to get in touch with the "smart bullet" outfit doing research at Auburn Univ. to perhaps build the steering mechanism with our phase conjugate "flying by radar" steering mechanism with the very strong EM attraction of our ship to its projected laser plasma beam. (See http://www.auburn.edu/administration/univrel/news/archive/5_97news/5_97smartbullets.html )

I haven't got a response yet from the Q-Dot corporation concerning construction of our II-VI compound glass crystallite lens. Thanks for the book!

Best,Larry

S-049. from Larry Maurer of UNITEL regarding government funding and kickbacks

From : Larry Maurer <[email protected]>82

To : [email protected] : Re: watch whose toes you step on !Date : Thu, 08 Nov 2001 12:22:31 -0800

At 02:38 PM 11/8/01 -0500, you wrote:

>I had forgotten about the payoff/kickback thing. I remember Jack Northrop was reputed to be a brilliant engineer but a lousy businessman. Which is why Northrop never was on the same level with McDonnell-Douglas and Boeing. It did make me heart feel good when the government reinstated his top-secret clearance and showed him the new B-2, whose shape was taken from his "Flying Wing" aircraft that never got any production contracts. I remember his remark was "Now I know why God has kept me alive so long [to see this day]." Hopefully Larry Maurer won't have to wait as long to see the fruits of his labor!>>Senator Schiff from New Mexico was responding to mounting public pressure in the early 90's as a result of Lazar's allegations. He pressed the Air Force for its files at Roswell during 1947. The Air Force said they didn't have any and for him to search the National Archives. That reportedly infuriated him -- who said the Air Force is normally cooperative -- so he called in the GAO to do their own investigation. The GAO reported that they couldn't find ANY files concerning the Roswell Army Air Corps base from 1945-1949. They were careful to state they didn't want this interpreted as though they were siding with the UFO believers. Not long after than Senator Schiff developed terminal cancer. Richard Boylan believes this was done deliberately by unseen powers, and they did the same thing to Col. Steve Wilson ("Project Pounce") who died and also to Dr. Steven Greer of the Disclosure Project (who hasn't died yet). Just FYI ...>> -- Mark

Mark:

Yes, I hope to God -- and for your sake along with the rest of our asteroid instinct-bound species -- that we see our design come to fruition. Just imagine, though, if there is a "time thing" involved with any relinquishing of any official reports from the USAF, etc. Especially in my case like when I found out my long-time boss, friend, and flight mentor Ray Nyls. Perhaps he does know something and cannot tell me or anyone about it because it may effect certain events that are about to happen.

Check out this scenario, StealthSkater: Sometime in the near future we build a space ship. We perform MQT and find out we can tunnel in time as well as space. So we go back to see what exactly happened at Roswell in 1947 and we find out that it is us instead of any alien craft. Perhaps we then crash and the USAF has all this information. So they wait until just before we take off and then tell us to make precautions against our downfall that would be about to occur. What a can of worms that is. But I can see it happening.

You certainly can't blame the USAF for being mum on the subject as they will be saving lives! What a can of worms we will unleash! This may sound strange but it makes sense, doesn't it? No wonder the USAF has done everything they can to stall, thwart off, and deny any information knowing full well their actions will effect the Future. I can even see them killing people (even the Kennedys) to keep this incredible time machine weapon under wraps.

I firmly believe that they are behind us and our hard efforts to protect and safeguard our endeavors to construct this type of flying machine. The USAF has stated that they want to keep us in their files as

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active and are looking for ways to fund us. They have sent us several research papers on MQT that support our theories.

I sure would like to have a lecture with the BMDO, DoD, or any USAF or federal government agencies. I think we would literally have their jaws drop (as long as Sarfatti and cronies weren't there to sabotage the event!). We shall see what events turn up for us, aye?

Best regards,Larry MaurerUNITEL, Inc.

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