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I did everything he could to encourage Senator
Ensign to end affair and to persuade
Senator
he to his own marriage and Had Senator Ensign
followed|
[advice, episode would have ended, and been made public, long
ago.
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comment for MSNBC
at MSNBC. Sorry Just missed your call, was on the
other If you wouldn't mind sending a
Las Vegas Sun/Sen. Ensign report, that be great.
Thanks so much,
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Last week.
Comments Include;
become a lobbyist:
The same day as the
Mr, Ensign
Senate Dining Room, and ••••j o i n i n g
them
Allegiant with five other senators on Capitol
including
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the one-year lobbying moratorium.
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might have violated
RESPONSE:
Thank you for taking the time to contact •regarding
my involvement with Senator John Ensign and
proceedings surrounding his extramarital
affair, as well as subsequent lobbying
the opportunity to hear from you, and
apologize delayed response.
you
in the unfolding of Senator Ensign's affair was
solely in the
best interest of protecting the families involved.
Much of the media's
account of the episode has
based on a single source, For instance, at no point
Senator Ensign o
In was
the opposite. Senator Ensign's aetipns were
but important
innocent members and individuals involved,
all of whom need to heal
As
constituent, you are permitted to hold
my actions accountable regardless of
circumstance, encourage you to do so,
RE: anything?
BTW - do you think it's strange
that the MSM keeps noting that Ensign
thev don't mention religious affiliation in similar
stories. How often did we see
references to
they shouid mention ail faiths (which all reject
adultery) or none. It's not very
fa.r and balanced of
them ...
Subject: anything?
never told Ensign to give them money - how
about the
Thanks,
06
2009 6:02 PM
This is kind of unfair? Why do you mention "Ensign and]
Aside from Ensign's admission of payment Thursday, interview
has set off a chain of other accusations and denials, indicating
that the Ensign affair - which received relatively little attention
when it first broke
to be following the questionable lead of drew additional
attention to his already sensational affair with an
by revealing juicy new details to reporters after the fact.
07
MSM main stream media. Off the p'od
that Ensign parent
issue This would have moved the "pay off'
off the table without
has NOTHING to hide. Not helpful.
This
is like someone else's vomit. /
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was not telling the truth, and that there was
no
said there was a said
has said that's inaccurate?
Can you help clear that up say
the reverse - that|
Thanks,
Subject: Question
Did you put out today on the disaster?
Someone in ensigns office thought
something went out l ied
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From:
2009 3:12 PM
,
To:1 Subject: Ensign
we have are getting a lot of calls about the Ensign
affair. What should we tell them?
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persuade Senator Ensign to stop, as well
Ensign to end and expose, is ridiculous,
2009 PM
Ensign payments to
the payments were a severance, or payoff, not a gift and that this
is conduct that at reflects
badly on the Senate.
Or stick by past statements
W i l l i cooperate and
to discuss It with
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John Ensign affair
Ensign's af fa i r and whether t r ied
to
how and when do
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Las Vegas Sun relocate and start life
lo t of money - than a million dol lar s
"The
the
Sent: Mon 11:15:47 2009 Subject: RE:
in the news
There was and is no orchestrating and assisting in any
pay-off scheme. passed on
info rmat ion only and was trying to do to:
1) Get Ensign to stop the affair
2) Get Ensign to confess,
T) Help Ensign and| Ireconclle and preserve
marriages.
• over the weekend, i anticipate receiving phone
calls re: the
topic up in conversation?
Hope you're doing so sorry you have to slog
through
fueling unhelpful speculation
has therefore asked me to see if you all would be willing
to field questions about and state the
following:
confronted Senator Ensign about the affair and encouraged
Senator Ensign to Immediately
with|
Can you send the actual t o
this?
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Subject:
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a l k i n g about
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says senator should resign
says senator should resign
an exclusive two-part interview to ai r over the
next two days on
"Face t o said Ensign abused
his power, involved at
least one other pay of f
debts ,
provided what • asserts i
s a handwritten l e t t e r from Ensign
to professing to end the a f f a i
r and invok ing his
God, bu t was again pur suing •
within
hours among other revelations,
also said Ensign paid
Hampton well over i n severance and
acknowledged
asked the senator
for millions of dollars i n
intimated that employers at Allegiant Ai r
are feeling
pressure to
Much more later i n Flash, including
how. the a f f a i r began while
families were l i v i n g i n
the same house, on the Las Vegas Sun website
and tonight on "Face t o Face."
also
08, 2009 5:02 PM
approved comment me based on the questions
w/ your boss to pay off the
everything he could to encourage
Senator Ensign to end his affair
and to persuade Senator Ensign to
repair the damage had caused to his own
marriage and •
1 advice, this episode would have ended, and been made
public, long ago.
t
o r a l l of the
mortgage?
role with Ensign's marriage
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the one who decided to suggest that|
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trigger this scandal and was trying
to
• had a bigger role in this ...
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Monday, October 2009 2:49 PM
Ensign
Subject: Re: ny
open but I hope thisdoesn't t r i g g e
r more follow -ups from less
ban i s on the lobbyist
That could be a line of attack i n
the futu re
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Thu Oct 01 21:02:22 2009
Subject: Re: ny times
Stick a fork in Ensign. This
should put everyone on notice about
using an o f f i c i a l o f f i c e to
"help friends."
•
Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 11:31 AM
CAUGHT BY HOMETOWN PAPER WHEN ASKED
in ABOUT TRIPS BY "THE
FELLOWHIP" -- "I know very
little about it," Ensign said of
foundation
Tx
FELLOWHIP" - "I know very
little about it," Ensign said of the
foundation
"I know very little about it," Ensign said of
foundation. "When I was in the House, I went on a trip to
Hong Kong, and couldn't tell
you about that either."
Wednesday, July PM
not address an allegation in the
dollar mortgage.
I encouraged
From:
To:
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i n keep asking f o r s t u f f
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here (thanks f o r sending),
the apart, the I . the
coverage i s not helpin g.
Chrs, and thanks.
Ensign comments from today
• '
and it looks like we didn't have anyone
there today when
I'm covering the phoner today? We'd
really like to get more from if
laddressed it. Any |
•
... you can offer me PR advice, but
Subject: Re: It's the Ensign scandal
get
[email protected]]
Re: anything?
cahoots" -• is my answer, Oh my gosh
- that's an AWESOME way to put SO
te.
can't many people have asked
or an, members to throw money at the problem,
a bit odd today talking abt the "patient it
people scratching their heads thinking.. J
the privelege?
man. Oof.
Jout?
right with very confusing. You have to
discuss those things discuss •co ntrov ersia
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more fuel for the
on Tulsa, OK
October 6:36
ensign question
| Concerning the Times story on Ensign, there's a
part that says
senators
lobbying ban was broken? Does the to comment
on the meeting?
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& Ensign Connection
The story below just hit the news Wires. What is
the latest development In this story and what
is th e|
response?
ensign
confirm and do you have a statement about the ny times
as lobbied
009 10:40 AM
story about Ensign
statements in the NY Times story flatly contradict in talks
about restitution payments, I'm wondering how the stories could be
so different, If could clarify for me, I'd really appreciate
it,
Thanks,
was involved in
negotiations with Ensign aboutrestitution an
a specific It wasn't all false what •
every opportunity in tha
don't remember ever - -
what had transpired,
To:
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Sent: Fri Oct 02 12:10:49 2009 Subject: RE; NY Times
story about Ensign
From: | _
Subject: Re: NY Times story about Ensign
be glad to talk
Subject: RE: WA Post article - GOP Leader Tightlipped on
Ensign
Sorry, don't, don't even
Sent: Friday. October 02, 2009 2:34 PM
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Ensign
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nytimes.com] 009 2:42 PM
Thanks much. Do you figure there'll be an ethics investigation? It
sounds from what we're today that they II have to
broaden their inquiry after the initial stuff in June related to
the there concern about that? Oust on background, if you
want, unless you to address that question on the
record)
Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 2:08 PM
Subject: RE:
haven't heard anything the AP role a bit. You
reported "intermediary while they
which implies a more formai role. been asked to
clarify this section below a number of times. a minor point
but I would have "was asked and agreed rather
than "offered". was reacting request.
Also, if you please try to clarity that the burden on
following the one-year ban is the
lobbyist/former staffer,
hats off to you for your very thorough and fair
October 02, 2009 11:08 AM
Subject:
Hi, we're following up on the Ensign story today, if you hear
of anything of
Thanks
2
PM
update
involvement CREW i s go ing to expand t h e i r et hi cs c ompl
aint t o
wit h th e f in an c ia l discuss ions between and Ensign.
Group's comments cover clai ms such as l y i n g and as si st in g
Ensign in cov erin g up the a f f a i r .
S t i l l no reax?
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RE: concerns with story
I'll check and lot you know if we can't change,
mediating, CREW will of course still
arranging a payment
October 05, 2009 3:41 PM
concerns with story
Here's our concern:
that
You're implying two things that are untrue and
just as easily
acting which prompted
was acting on a number of $2.5 million to
from
to serve a At the acting on behalf
short, claimed Ensign to go
of Ensign as in this go-between
precisely
and threatening "go to^^MM^'^^'m
because neither an other.
an intermediary between a
4:12 PM
Mv editor feels the distinction between negotiation on behalf of
one party and mediation is a matter of not a fectual issue,
especially In light of back and forth described. Also, as
mentioned, since the allegation
helped arrange advocated for Ensign or just acted as an
intermediary seems a
issue GREWs premise is that talked money with both
advocated for Ensign
look worse, but is not the key thing. Also, please note the article
emphasized statement that
Ensign to go public from the start.
Our offer would be that • • • w a n t s to talk more
role and elaborate on that distinction, we would love to
talk about it for a follow up story.
But CongressDaily isn't ready to change the story due to the view
that we'd be opening ourselves up to various wording
changes that are less than corrections.
But as mentioned, you can take this up
Thanks,
From:
Subject: RE: concerns with story
i hear you. Thanks, let me know.
|@nationaljournal.com]
Subject: RE: concerns with story
Regardless of negotiating or mediating, CREW will of course
still was arranging a payment
of hush money. But understand the difference in how it
sounds.
I'll check and lot you know if we can't
Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 3:41 PM
Subject: concerns with story
complaint, Senate Ethics has already opened a preliminary
investigation into Ensign's
Station can be expanded if new
material comes to
on its complaint (which we will monitor) then the
investigation can be expanded, hence likely tede
complaints generate a Inquiry, but most
get dismissed pretty quickly
|@polltico,com] October 06, 2009 2:49 PM
I'm doing today - and to talk t o investigators and
what tha t may mean to the case. asked
why willing to talk pretty explicit earlier about not
testifying before Ethics -and
• kind of punted on but if you want to shed some light on
that, please do.
Also - do you have a response on the CREW
complaint
The letter to the Senate ethics committee also asks |
at least one • clients, Allegiant Air, be investigated
violate the lobbying ban. CREW also asked the committee
to to reporters
categorically denied serving as an intermediary in to secure
res tit ution from Sen.
Times for a $2 million payment to
Sen. Ensign, who rejected it.
And the OK are well want to respond. Their
chairman e-mailed me this: of
course, concerned about any ethical violat ions may have commit ted
, and trust that will be thoroughly
invest igated. But of deep concern to me also is the fact
that been story
role in this matter . First •"c at eg or ic al ly denied" any
involvement; then a national newspaper served
as go-between during the negotiations. For someone who
Washington outsider,
lis sure behaving like a typical Beltway politician.
Filing at 4:45. Thanks.
Thanks __________ ... i
Subject: Question re pending CREW Ethics complaint
re
the Times Friday, Citizens for Responsibly and Ethics
Washington say they will file a
badly on the Senate.
Deadline is 12:30pm Monday.
l i s on th e at ta ck.
Sent : F ri da y. Octobe r 09, 2009 12:09 PM
To : .
working on a folo up on the
story. I have a number of questions,
on the H i l l today so the best number.
Questions in cl ud e but not l i mi te d to :
Why d id n' t th e
to fo l low
own advice Ensign, which was to go public with
comments about invo lvem ent co rr ec t? Why dis put e them
back
c l i e n t , A ll eg ia nt Ai r? Who attended the meeting? Any de
ta il s on th e meeting wi th the
cl ients?
—
about a financial Those
to listen. Senator Ensign
filters. Some reports have implied •
facts have been viewed through political Senator
EnsignUnfortunately, these sugg
never was
@abc.com] , 2009 4:41 PM
Thanks
One more totally blanked on the question at the
March meeting with
Allegiant Air. know in the NYT
said "it was wrong." Did you want to add
anything to let it
stand at that?
abc.com>'
...
in this ordeal was to help two friends and families
B did confront Senator Ensign about the
not only urged Senator Ensign to end the affair but to
publlcally admit his mistakes.
role a Those
would only if Senator Ensign was willing
to listen. Senator
passed on information on behalf of
exaggerated
Ensign
Unfortunately, these facts have been viewed through political
and personal Some reports have implied
attempting to extort
money from Senator Ensign, while other reports
have suggested Senator Ensign was
offeringl
hush money. Neither explanation is accurate.
was never more than to
does regret not saying "it's none of has also
been viewed through political and personal
help two friends and families reconcile.
In response to questions
your business" in a more artful way.
The reality is two individuals in a difficult and
emotionally charged situation tried to reach a settlement and
failed.
in of many poor decisions by both parties
involved pursue the difficult path of ,
for the sake of their families and marriages,
Thanks,
1
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Subject: RE: Nightline
never met with Ensign about Allegiant ••s e t up a meeting
for an
nothing to do the meeting
You can use this:
pabc.com]
To:| Subject: Ethics
We should expect be called to testified at the
Ensign ethics investigation. Do we need
to discuss this
this week or is this outside of our purview?
Th e nonprofit, 501(c)(3) organization promotes ethics and
accountability in government and public life and
ad complaint against Ensign in the ethics
committee has a h,story of not
wanting to look into such matters,
New
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-comment on Ensign situation
Sent: 08 16:30:24 2009
Subject: please approve -comment on Ensign situation
The calls are coming on the Las Vegas Sun
report to assistance to
off their $1 million-plus mortgage and move them to a
new away from Ens.gn.
•t h i n k it's vital we respond strongly and carefully (wi thou t
going Into great detail) to squash the conclusion
reporters will
want to make that this was hush money, when the
opposite goal.
Please approve quote from as |
could to encourage Senator Ensign end his affair
and to persuade Senator Ensign to
this episode would have ended, and been made public, long
ago.
264.
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RE: Ensign
2009 3:32 PM
Sure, you can
everything he could to encourage Senator Ensign end
affair and to persuade Senator Ensign to
he had caused to his own marriage and Had Senator Ensign
followed
ladvice, this episode would have ended, and been made public, long
ago."
2009 3:28 PM
Subject: Statement Request
give
Thanks.
knew about Sen. John Ensign's affair and suggested Sen.
Ensign
Oklahoma City, OK
2 8 3
Coburn, Tom
High
gave the Las Vegas Sun a copy of a letter Ensign wrote
in your presence. I'll put a copy in your box
Background:
an interv iew with Channel 8 news in Las Vegas •c l
a i m s that in a February at C
only urged Ensign to end the relationship but also urged Ensign to
essentially pay off of
order to sweep the matter under the rug in an attempt to protect
Ensign's political career,
t
powerful Washington figures live
please call Chris re: the Ensign story
| talked with reporters today and wants to get your denial straight
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Ailegiant stand at that?
Subject:
(Ensign) 9 1:52 PM
eyeing JE senate seat
Senator John Ensign (NV)
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senate seat
POLITICAL eyes Ens ign 's Senate seat Six -t er m Democratic
lawmaker
with encouragement
harsh
From: (Ensign)
July PM
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ensign
[email protected])
Subject: Happy Hour
Good evening, all!
On Wednesday evening at 5:30pm, we will gather at the Dubliner for
drinks, good cheer and to bid farewell to our dear
Please join us.
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Subject: Re: lawyer?
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Sent: Thu Jun 18
Good excuse no t t o go t o the wedding
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To :
Prob ab ly . Wow
I'll keep you looped in. No worries.
Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 9:46 AM
Subject: RE: Vegas Sun story
Sending them over is fine. We are mining information to see who has
what also, if |
something to say, give us a heads up. I'm sure you would
anyway.
does end with
From:l Sent: Friday, June 9:40 AM
(Ensign)
Subject: FW: Vegas Sun story
sure will not have a comment today, but figured would
give you a heads up. If you don't want me
sending them on just let me know.
From Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 9:23 AM
H i , —
The Sun published a letter reference to your
boss... seeking a comment per se, but wanted to
give u the opportunity to confirm, deny or
ignore...
"The unethical behavior and immoral choice of Senator Ensign has
been confronted by me and others on a number of
occasions this past year. In one of the in
Washington
DC (sic) with a group of his peers. One of the attendee's (sic)
well as several
other men who are close to the Senator. Senator Ensign's conduct
and relentless pursuit to our dismissal
in April of would like to say he stopped his heinous conduct
and pursuit upon our leaving, but that was not the
case and his actions did not subside until August of 2008."
POLITICO
FW: Sun; Spouse in Ensign affair says senator should resign
Here is link and a follow up story.
IS) SIGN UP WEEKLY
UPDATE
(Ensign) Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 2:09 PM
Elmer (Ensign)
Subject: Sun; Spouse in Ensign affair says senator should
resign
(Ensign);
"betrayed everything believed
Orig ina l
To:
says
[talks about tonight on "Face to
Face," i s posted here: The l e t t e r ,
which
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| Subject:
over at Politico and
am trying to get a comment
re thesenew allegations a central
role, including, according to^^•"ging
Ensign to them
a new life away from Ensign."
Please
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I reacting to "Face to Face" says Ensign should have
From: Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 5:45 PM
To: Tatro, Don (Coburn) Subject: RE: to "Face
to Face" says Ensign should have ended affair
From: |
Wednesday, July 08, 2009 2:43 PM
Subject: reacting to "Face to Face" says Ensign should have
ended affair
Subject:
sday, July 08, 2009 2:35 PM
reacting to "Face to Face" says Ensign should have ended
affair
5 7 0
(Ensign) PM
e: Do you have a story where your boss says| lied?
Good times!
Senator Ensign (R-NV) Russell Senate Building
(Ensign) Sent: Wed Jul 08 22:43:50 2009 Subject: Re: Do
you have a story where your boss says |
Well there you have it. Good
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lied?
Sent: Wed Jul 08 22:42:30 2009 Subject: Re: Do you have
a story where your boss
You're
To:
Sent: Wed Jul 08 22:35:55 2009 Subject: Re: Do you have
a story where your boss says lied?
Possible, but don't Check politico articles on it. It
would be | reporter think
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(Ensign)
Sent: Wed Jul 08 22:33:47 2009 Subject: Re: Do you have
a story where your boss says
I'm wondering if JE meant that
| lied?
Subject; Re: Do have a story where your boss says|
It is added to the politico story guess
lied?
Sent using
Sent: Wed Jul 08 22:31:34 2009 Subject: RE: Do you have a
story where your boss saysl
Okay, there isn't a story on the wires yet.
From:
Subject: Re: Do you have a story where your boss
lied?
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Sent: Wed Jul 08 22:28:37 2009
Subject: RE: Do you have a story where your boss s a y s
—
JE just told us that put out a statement
From:
Re: vou where vour buss
don't think so. Just the crap that came out today.
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To: Sent: Wed Jul 08 22:27:08 2009 Subject: Do you have
a story where your boss says
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They do. that,
Hmm- they have a point... Seems like |
is contradicting
(Ensign) Oct 06 2009
tell Ethics about Ensign
| regarding John Ensign.
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From: Sent : Tuesday, November 2009 4:10
PM
Subject: FW: Dont know if you all have seen
Fabulous
(Ensign) Subject: FW: Dont know if you all have
seen
Tuesday, November 03, 2009 3:58 PM
(Ensign);
|
119 Russell Building
Washington, DC 20510
interview
FW: Politico; Ethics Commitee issues subpoenas on
Ensign
Senator John Ensign (N\
Up for Weekly Update
Let's out this place.
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to Be a Millionaire
Special.
ABC - National Programming - Who Wants to Be
So our boss was a question on Wants to be
a the question was
I in a high-profile affair with which
politician".
Monday, January 25, 2010 12:38 PM
the other
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to Be a Millionaire
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From: Sent: To: Subject:
09. 2009 6:36 PM
•••C l a i m s Constitutional Shield on Advice to Ensign
Ahhhh gEeeeeeeeee
From:
It's the topic on local talk radio in now!
from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
Sent : Thu Jul 09 15:07:49 2009 • Subject;
Claims Constitutional Shield on Ensign
everywhere!
From:
Subject: Claims Constitutional Shield on Advice to
Ensign
That privileged communications statement in
the middle of now. The a challenge.
as to keep private conversations private, but
don't think they will buy D.d
Ensign seek medical treatment for his affair?
feel been forced into the middle of a
|
Subjec t: Re: Claims Constitutional Shield on Advice to
Ensign
Watch for this: The likely
angle will be that so high-and-mighty
about transparency and sunshine, yet
hiding behind the shield of confidentiality.
That will eyebrows to be raised.
from my Wireless Handheld
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Sent: Thu Jul 09 14:32:38 2009 Subject: Re:
Constitutional Shield on Advice to Ensign
haven't heard anything - But we should expect this
grow legs,
One of our field reps did
get a call from someone about it,
Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
(Coburn);|
Constitutional Shield on Advice to Ensign
haven't heard a lot. It really hasn't been covered much
here yet, but this
constitutional shield/payoffdiscussion
make it a more attractive story.
have to think a|
cover story.
I article Is coming. This is too good for
the pass as a
All this other stuff makes for good gossip columns, but
the C Street angle worries me sometimes,
From: ,
This one a slighter better article:
Are normal people talking about at all in OK?
RE : Ensign's ex-mistress, husband sought $8,5
million
role and based upon nothing
illegal as far as can see, but
doesn't look
AM
Subject: Ensign's ex-mistress, husband sought $8,5
million
Do you think there Is any shred of truth in
this story re; |
afloat?
I'm over cleaning up other people's vomit,
20091005
1
09 5:30 PM
in the news
So what should add to our Ensign
addresses this new issue? Our previous
language below
constituents email (we have gotten many
Constituent email:
regard to a news article
Jgst read, (noted at bottom of page)
was truly distressed to learn of your involvement
in
of representing Senator Ensign In this very
ugly affair. Is this protection of the of your
so
T e d family values theme? just hope this
business' was conducted off of 'company and
not part of your
official duties, am very disappointed.
Thank you
for taking the time to contact me regarding my relationship
Senator Ensign, and
my
the proceedings surrounding his extramarital affair.
I appreciate the
opportunity to hear
from you, and apologize for
my delayed response.
I understand your concerns, and the
concerns of all of my constituents.
I was heartbroken
one of my
Mends and colleagues, Senator John Ensign, had engaged in
an extramarital
individual, elected official or
lay person breaks a sacred trust between
a spouse or significant other by engaging in
and lying about an extramarital affair.
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Well we haven't gotten any Ensign letters in a
while, but just got like
20 since it was brought up in
the news again.
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weather in each of
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will find two documents to assist you in your
for next week. The first is a Dear
Traveler Letter,
details on clothing,
weather, commercial airline travel,
and packing considerations. The second
information and preference sheet will
to complete and return to the Senate by
Tuesday,
5 January. Please give me a
call if there are any questions.
We are writing this on
difficult spot filed for
divorce
heard details from the news, us to
communicate there not
on Tuesday, depending how things
go
prayer
We are all grieved and are asking
for God's grace to get through this as
a group
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Wanted to forward it on to you guys. We
talked about this before.
Sent: 25 2009
Subject: Stake
Jusr arrived at c street a reporter and photographer
were there and wanted to tallk to me. I siad no
as
I had to run to committre. Tell
everyone to say "no comment" I do not
have the email for everyone
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wrote:
weOutline raises more questions then it
realize will supplement but it will raise more
questions! need to know about the Foundation, last
night you said no connection but certainly the
people
consulted with and even Ensign have connections to the
International Foundation and
the discussions took place at C
street. If you are going to lift the veil
of secrecy, the International connection and members are
the most intriguing issues
amongst the
Re: Fwd:
says we should all pray, hunker down and stay put
til Labor Day, then see what it looks
like,!
anyone leaves the house, it should be Ensign.
Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
said if
Subject: Re: Fwd:
From my perspective, everything from student leadership
to the NPB itself is now In jeopardy if the team does
notgo on the offensive setting the record straight on the
Fellowship is and is not, This now
and can tell you all for certain that
have a great dilemna because every newspaper interview
or talk radio interview do
includes questions about this mess, will not
be able to avoid this and cannot continue to need to
off the couch besides those of us in elected
office or we will all be tarred by
and then ask the question if this is the kind
of person Tenn needs as its next to hire
a "crisis communications" firm and get
in front of this storm before it kills us
all.
Subject: Re: conference call tonight
My team just recommended that
stay totally quite and not respond to anything so if this
is about me, just postpone the
call and ride it out for a day or two but am sure
this is not going
Sent from my Wireless Handheld
Sent: Jul 20 2009 Subject: Re: conference
call tonight
are in a mark up but if we have a chance am sure
we would jum|
pm, you may wish to wait until been brutal,
fund raiser tomorrow
night but would be there by 8 pm,
Still, expect to be in a
Health Care mark up!
in town and is with me. have
a
through Wednesday on this
Subject: conference call tonight
Guys,
has suggested we get together on a
conference call tonight. I' ve set up a
dial in
number behalf. We will try and get
started tonight at 9:15p. Would
be good if
In.
The access code is:
Talk to you tonight.
Re: C Street call
Not me. But then again, unless happen to be on the campaign
bus between stop, no time is good for me. over
the
state over and over again.
Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
Subject; C Street conf call
We spoke andBhas
few ideas and thoughts of the comings and goings of C Street.
In light
of all the heat that's surrounding our unity we feel it
is to be on the same page as
we move We think it would be helpful for all of
of us to so we are proposing a
don't forget to send something in for flBand
anniversary TO
THEM BECAUSE IT'S A can send
you write
life sure is rough in sunny and very
warm.
On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 3:24 PM,
i).gmail.com> wrote;
you please try and send a note/story
in
putting
it asap. I know it would mean alot
to them they received stuff
from you guys at C
Street Them serving there was
a huge part of their life and
I alot to them. You can
email me the letter and I can get i t
Or you can send
Thanks.
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Subject: Re:
I ' l l le t you know. My schedule is unclear.
Original Message
having a dinner fo r i nte rns tonight at my th
is is last week, any chance any of
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News 9 in is doing a story tonight at 10 l
e t te r and suggestion that
••w e r e pres ent at a C St re et meeting. Some people (mostly
Democrats) are aski ng
knew and what to Ensign. Do want to
comment? I f so , simply sayi ng
encouraged Ensign to end hi s aff ai r could be an opti
on.
Subject: Re: Ensign clarification
Yes but do not be that specific
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From:
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Subject: Ensign clarification
Subject: RE: Ensign comment
think so. talked to their staff asked me to
run this first.
From:
Subject: Re; Ensign comment
Will they do it
Sent: 23 11:12:21
Subject: Ensign comment
How's this as a quote for Ensign:
-If s unfair that some are asking in
this ordeal. The fact me poor
ong ago. •cha l l enged me end my affair and to restore trust
my
would have followed all a major reason why,
in of my mistakes,
togethe; and together It would be
wrongfor my actions to reflect on
name." - John Ensign
please call World Magazine re: C Street
World magazine at writing a story about C Street
and situations. I'd
rage you to the no comment policy. think at
some
toS to speak out (in a careful way without
betraying confidences)because Christ Is on
trial. body and the
seeing a lot of ugliness right now. If you
don't
Suggested points:
1) Explain why C Street appears secretive. The
Fellowship is trying to apply a first century,
Christ-centered model
that is pre denominational and pre-lnstitutional. This
doesn't mean the local church isn't important,
because it is. The point is that In
Washington everyone organizes every relationship around
an
affiliation, which is a real hindrance. We put people
in boxes. The goal is to be
an ambassador for Christ, not an
ambassador for a para-church organization Christ.
a subt e but important
Washington. politicians in Washington are terribly lonely and
struggle with all sorts
We all struggle and need a place to bring things into the light.
The world hear about the scandals
that impact the house, but you'll never hear about
the scandals that were prevented by the house.
The real storv though isn't about C Street, but about
human frailty and our need for grace,
redemption
we see a high profile failure we shouldn't be discouraged
but return to the
basks We need to love one another enough to ask the
hard questions and then have the love and
to bear one another's burdens
AP re: ensigns future
AP is doing a story on Ensign's fut ur e i n the
GOP. They want
survive, should he res ign , e t c . ? I
f want to weigh in
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he ' l l
23, 2009 PM
NY Times reporter can come by at 3 pm re: Ensign
Can we schedule?
Key Points:
The two most damaging conclusions this story could make
are either
conspired with Ensign to pay hush money,
and/or denials of advocating payment were false
did discuss that with the Neither
are true.
trusted by
unfairly, why would reach out to you for help?
asked|
was
both
• were trying to treat]
to be a mediator,
. however, was inaccurate when you as an advocate for
large cash
expressing what wanted to believe.
Also, be careful about not repeating the claim that
were protected as ok say |
were expressing frustration about the media's biased
coverage made those comments The media
willingness to write single source stories has been
Moreover, some reporters suspended their own
standards
on single sources of events) because Ensign is
both a Republican and a "Christum
hypocritical was never subjected to
the same level of scrutiny nor
aboutl back in
was never present when a letter was written, never made
any assessment of paying anybody anything. Those
are
untruths, Those are absolute is in error,
manipulating the situation and you are all buying
s all false, as far as
1
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The NY Times reporter wants to talk still upset
(understandably) about their coverage during
the campaign. press person said McCain would talk during
lunch,
voice would help the story be about the doing on earmarks,
spending, etc. I'm mention
Ensign but it should be only in passing. The
more on actual news
work the better ...
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Ensign and NY Times
should be questions on the
core issues (health care, spending, etc.)
you
anything else about Ensign, here are some
points to remember.
Continue to have a non-combative and calm spirit, honorably
and have nothing to hide.
How is the Ensign situation affecting
• It's a very sad situation for both families not
worried it, The only people focused on this now are
those
trying to score political points.
The ethics committee hasn't they happy
to talk with
them.
Do you regret claiming privilege as a
• chose my words poorly. Yet, poor
word choice and irritating reporters isn't
a basis for an ethics
complaint,
Also, avoid rehashing anything involving the discussion about
money Ensign, particularly If it
involves specific amounts, Mentioning
specific amounts will give the attack dogs fodder for their
claim that
negotiating rather than acting as a go-between.
Re: Ensign question
him and ask to end i t . But we have no comment as was
workin\ within b
oth j a There fore no comment
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Original Message
Subject : Ensign question
News 9 in OKC i s doin g a st or y tonight at 10
and suggestion that
you were present at a C St re et meeti ng. Some people (mo stly
Democrats) are as kin g what
knew and what sa id to Ensign. want to comment? I f so
, simp ly sayi ng
encouraged Ensign to end his af f a i r could be an optio n.
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And there's also an obstruction of justice
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who gives false testimony under oath in a proceeding
or just gives false testimony to the investigators
is somebody who could also be prosecuted for
obstructing Congress in its investigation.
Thus, you may not make any intentionally
false statements or knowingly mislead the committee
through your answers today.
rules regarding this proceeding. Supplementary
Procedural Rule 8 dictates strict confidentiality on
our part regarding the fact of this deposition and
all our statements made here today. This rule does
not govern your own discussions of the interview,
though.
witness will tailor or coordinate III testimony
based on earlier depositions or will go out and
speak to witnesses who have not yet testified so
that they can coordinate and tailor their testimony.
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discussing -- we're not ordering you because we
can't, but we are requesting that you refrain from
discussing our questions and your answers with
anyone other than an attorney or a family member.
Do you understand that?
opportunity to inspect the transcript of your
deposition, and
of your deposition.
ake it pretty quickly, so if
you're still here tomorrow, it's conceivable that
you could have an opportunity to inspect the
deposition to see if there are any transcription
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