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Read This Dr Gregory Ellis Fat Adaptation
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03-10-2005, 07:59 PM
belaglazov
Read This Dr Gregory Ellis Fat Adaptation
[url]http://www.targetedbodysystems.com/artspo2.html[/url] Dr
ellis has been sending me posts about his books i'll post
information here about excerpts and articles.
03-10-2005, 08:11 PM
belaglazov
Fat Adaptation
I used to be a carb eater and fell into the carb trap but i
tried fat adaptation and it worked. Gregory ellis is prove of this
too. The body runs more efficently on ketones it takes 2-6 months
to become fat adapted muscles will fill out and look even larger.
Go to his site [url]www.drgregoryellis.com[/url] and
[url]http://www.ultimatedietsecrets.com/gallery01.html[/url] here.
His book net carb scam talks about fat adaptation. The idea is
basically that everyone says carbs are the main fuel for the body
but the'yre not fat is. The main runs much better on ketones than
glucose and there is no need to carb load dr ellis's knowldge goes
way beyond mario dipasquile's. To become fat adapted carbs must be
lowered to 13 percent of your daily calories for 2-6 months until
the fat enzymes go up. Remembmer all the bad side effects go away
after 2 weeks. I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OUT THERE
DISUPUTING CARBS AS THE PRIMARY FUEL FOR THE BODY AND ABOUT FAT
ADAPTATION. EVEN MARIO DIPASQUILE SAYS FAT IS THE PRIMARY FUEL FOR
THE BODY BUT WHEN HE CARB LOADS HE MESSES THE WHOLE THING UP. THERE
IS NO NEED FOR INUSLIN IN A FAT ADAPTED ORGANISM BECAUSE ALL ORGANS
RELY ON FAT. ONCE AGAIN I'M PROMOTING THE IDEA FOR FAT ADAPTATION
VERY FEW ATHLETES KNOW THIS I'LL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS GLADLY.
03-10-2005, 08:26 PM
Gunn21
OMFG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
03-10-2005, 09:24 PM
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badboyben
I do agree that the majority of people have too much carbs in
there diet and that they would be better off having less carbs, but
i disagree with you about the part saying athletes dont need
insulin. Bodybuilders and athletes do need insulin. Why??? 1)
Insulin is anabolic 2) Insulin shuttles sugar and amino acids and
other nutrients into muscles 3) Insulin inhibits protein breakdown
4) Insulin is necessary for the production of IGF-1 So having a
carb load while on a low carb diet is a good idea. Plus there is
other benefits to the carb load but no time to write them in.
03-10-2005, 09:43 PM
belaglazov
I don't believe we should see insulin very much. It is not a
two-edged sword -- it is one bad one. Reducing carbs increases
growth hormone, not eating them. Growth hormone is a
counter-regulatory hormone to insulin -- one goes up, the other
goes down. Cortisol is a stress hormone and is little implicated in
the overall regulation of fuel use. It has a long time of turning
on, it is not a fight or flight hormone like adrenaline. Yes, it
affects fuel metabolism but nowhere near as much as the others.
Glucagon is the hormone you want and you won't get that with carbs.
What is the reason for insulin? It is a hormone that indicates the
fed state and drives fuel into storage: into fat, into muscle, but
faster and more strongly into fat. The errors in This system are
many. If you understand this stuff, truly understand it, you must
walk away from the whole notion of glycogen loading as the task of
carbohydrate deluded scientists who have been biased since their
studies have covered only a small part of humans responses to diet
and exercise. Clearly Faigin, DIPASQUILE, AND BERADI haVE
wrongfully bought into this because THEY doN'T have the experience
and background to have read deeply enough to understand this stuff.
The point is that fat beats carbs but if you must hold onto using
carbs then that's OK but in the long run carbs will not perform
like fats. As I've said, we have all kinds of studies on what carbs
do and they're all true but the scope is too limited to really
paint the picture of fuel use for maximum performance.
03-10-2005, 09:45 PM
belaglazov
The Body Does Not Need Insulin It Will Gladly Take Up Amino
Acids Without Insulin And The Effects Will Be Much Better With Much
Less Fat And More Muscle. If Burning More Than You Eat This Is The
Only Diet Where You Can Truly Successfully Build Muscle And Lose
Fat.
03-10-2005, 09:48 PM
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belaglazov
One problem getting to the "right" thing to do is that everyone
is so enamored with carbs that they focus everything on them. Carb
burning and fat burning are not truly not compatible. The so-called
insulin surge stops (or decreases) fat burning and increases fat
storage. So, if you increase muscle building, you increase fat
storage way more with insulin. In a fat-adapted user ketones
prevent muscle breakdown and preserve it and build it and they do
this far better than insulin.
03-10-2005, 10:16 PM
str8flexed
[QUOTE=belaglazov]I used to be a carb eater and fell into the
carb trap but i tried fat adaptation and it worked. Gregory ellis
is prove of this too. The body runs more efficently on ketones it
takes 2-6 months to become fat adapted muscles will fill out and
look even larger. Go to his site [url]www.drgregoryellis.com[/url]
and [url]http://www.ultimatedietsecrets.com/gallery01.html[/url]
here. His book net carb scam talks about fat adaptation. The idea
is basically that everyone says carbs are the main fuel for the
body but the'yre not fat is. The main runs much better on ketones
than glucose and there is no need to carb load dr ellis's knowldge
goes way beyond mario dipasquile's. To become fat adapted carbs
must be lowered to 13 percent of your daily calories for 2-6 months
until the fat enzymes go up. Remembmer all the bad side effects go
away after 2 weeks. I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OUT THERE
DISUPUTING CARBS AS THE PRIMARY FUEL FOR THE BODY AND ABOUT FAT
ADAPTATION. EVEN MARIO DIPASQUILE SAYS FAT IS THE PRIMARY FUEL FOR
THE BODY BUT WHEN HE CARB LOADS HE MESSES THE WHOLE THING UP. THERE
IS NO NEED FOR INUSLIN IN A FAT ADAPTED ORGANISM BECAUSE ALL ORGANS
RELY ON FAT. ONCE AGAIN I'M PROMOTING THE IDEA FOR FAT ADAPTATION
VERY FEW ATHLETES KNOW THIS I'LL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS
GLADLY.[/QUOTE] wow. What a load of bull****. Ketosis is much more
ineffiicient... it's part of the reason the body burns more
calories; because of the inefficiency.
03-10-2005, 10:28 PM
belaglazov
Listen straight flexed No one on a fat adapted diet is in a
ketogenic state. That is only for a brief time in the begginning.
Keytone bodies become a favorite source of fuel for the fat
adapted.Ketone are burnt up rapidly on low carb diets. Fat
adaptation is no myth. I can easily prove it to any carb eater. Go
without eating any carbs for a week and see how ****ty you feel.
You will be really tired, weak and
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irritable with probally a headache. This does not happen in the
fat adapted. Try fasting for a day or even two and see how starving
hungry, weak and tired you feel. Try to go workout while in a
fasting state. Your workout would be greatly diminished if you
could even do it. I have worked out at normal capacity while
fasting because I am fat adapted.This happened in several jiujitsu
tournaments I competed in. While everyone else drank sugar
water(Gateraid), I fasted. I can go all day or even several days
without eating and not suffering undue stress. Why? Because my body
has adapted to burning stored body fat.My liver has developed the
neccessary enzymes to do this. Don't get me wrong, I get hungry,
but I am able to function at normal levels. I am not an anomoly, I
talk to many who have experienced the same thing. The carb eaters
body would burn stored fat also, but would be incredibly
inefficient at it. It takes about 6 months to fully adapt from a
carbo diet. Everything you stated is true for carb eaters, but not
for the fat adapted. Ellis spent the last 25 years of his life
researching info on fat adaptation.
03-10-2005, 10:30 PM
belaglazov
All those studies are done on people who have not had time to
adapt to burning fat. Ketosis is a moot point when it comes to the
fat adapted. It is a brief phenomenom that occurs when one first
adapts to burning fat and then it still isn't any big health issue.
Intramuscular triglycerides are the primary source of muscular
work, even in non-fat adapted trainees. Glucose supplies only about
15 % of the fuel for muscular work. Check any bio-chemistry text
book. Glucose is only a minor fuel and is used up fairly quickly.
Fat supplies glucose needs as well as protein. Fat spares the
glycogen not the other way around.
03-10-2005, 10:34 PM
belaglazov
Initially, when beginning a low-carbohydrate diet,there is some
ketone loss in the urine. This accounts for 50-100 calories a day.
After several weeks of adaptation to the low-carbohydrate diet,
ketones become a primary fuel for the brain, central nervous
system, organs, and muscles. This increased burning of ketones
decreases their amount in the urine. In fact, after a month or two
on an extremely low-carbohydrate diet, it?s virtually impossible to
detect ketones in the urine. They?ve all been burned in the cells
as a source of fuel. .. . . . .What Atkins? book doesn?t tell you
is that, as the body?s cells begin to burn ketones as fuel (ketones
become the number one source of energy), there are simply no
ketones left to spill over into the urine. Ketones spare muscle not
glucose or carbs. Even in a carb adapted organism ketones spare
muscle that is a FACT.
03-10-2005, 10:42 PM
Fridrik
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LOL! That's like one diet in various body magazine saying, don't
eat nothing at the morning or at day, and then eat **** loud at
night... LOL!
03-10-2005, 10:42 PM
Gunn21
[QUOTE=belaglazov]All those studies are done on people who have
not had time to adapt to burning fat. Ketosis is a moot point when
it comes to the fat adapted. It is a brief phenomenom that occurs
when one first adapts to burning fat and then it still isn't any
big health issue. Intramuscular triglycerides are the primary
source of muscular work, even in non-fat adapted trainees. Glucose
supplies only about 15 % of the fuel for muscular work. Check any
bio-chemistry text book. Glucose is only a minor fuel and is used
up fairly quickly. Fat supplies glucose needs as well as protein.
Fat spares the glycogen not the other way around.[/QUOTE] I've
tried eating a diet like this for a lot longer than 2 week's. It's
called Dr. Atkins. It's not healthy in the long run, although it
will keep you lean. If you are weight training you will also gain
some muscle. It's much better for your health, and for gaining
muscle in the long run if you eat a balanced diet and do a moderat
amount of cardio. None of this is new info, and I dont know why
it's in the IFBB fourm either.
03-10-2005, 10:47 PM
belaglazov
What does this have to do with fasting?
03-10-2005, 10:48 PM
str8flexed
[QUOTE=belaglazov]Listen straight flexed No one on a fat adapted
diet is in a ketogenic state. That is only for a brief time in the
begginning. Keytone bodies become a favorite source of fuel for the
fat adapted.Ketone are burnt up rapidly on low carb diets. Fat
adaptation is no myth. I can easily prove it to any carb eater. Go
without eating any carbs for a week and see how ****ty you feel.
You will be really tired, weak and irritable with probally a
headache. This does not happen in the fat adapted. Try fasting for
a day or even two and see how starving hungry, weak and tired you
feel. Try to go workout while in a fasting state. Your workout
would be greatly diminished if you could even do it. I have worked
out at normal capacity while fasting because I am fat adapted.This
happened in several
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jiujitsu tournaments I competed in. While everyone else drank
sugar water(Gateraid), I fasted. I can go all day or even several
days without eating and not suffering undue stress. Why? Because my
body has adapted to burning stored body fat.My liver has developed
the neccessary enzymes to do this. Don't get me wrong, I get
hungry, but I am able to function at normal levels. I am not an
anomoly, I talk to many who have experienced the same thing. The
carb eaters body would burn stored fat also, but would be
incredibly inefficient at it. It takes about 6 months to fully
adapt from a carbo diet. Everything you stated is true for carb
eaters, but not for the fat adapted. Ellis spent the last 25 years
of his life researching info on fat adaptation.[/QUOTE] god just
another sheep. Doesn't anyone think for themselves anymore. so what
you are saying is low carb diets increase lipolysis. NO ****.
Thanks for the newsflash lol. do you even know what liver enzymes
you are talking about? Additionally, you do realize that ketones
can only be used oxidatively, not glycolytically. Guess what
lifting heavy weights is... glycolytic. Fortunately your body can
make about 120g of glucose per day via gluconeogensis but much of
that will go to fuel the brain, red blood cells, and central
nervous system. That doesn't leave much left over and thus your
anaerobic performance will suffer.
03-10-2005, 10:51 PM
str8flexed
[QUOTE=belaglazov]Initially, when beginning a low-carbohydrate
diet,there is some ketone loss in the urine. This accounts for
50-100 calories a day. After several weeks of adaptation to the
low-carbohydrate diet, ketones become a primary fuel for the brain,
central nervous system, organs, and muscles. This increased burning
of ketones decreases their amount in the urine. In fact, after a
month or two on an extremely low-carbohydrate diet, it?s virtually
impossible to detect ketones in the urine. They?ve all been burned
in the cells as a source of fuel. .. . . . .What Atkins? book
doesn?t tell you is that, as the body?s cells begin to burn ketones
as fuel (ketones become the number one source of energy), there are
simply no ketones left to spill over into the urine. Ketones spare
muscle not glucose or carbs. Even in a carb adapted organism
ketones spare muscle that is a FACT.[/QUOTE] what you are saying is
somewhat true. but you are incorrect in saying carbs are not muscle
sparing. First of all that is a multi-layered issue and to complex
for the scope of most who read the forum (no offense), yes ketones
spare muscle. However, they cannot be used anaerobically, so if you
like lifting heavy weights you can expect your performance to
suffer on a ketogenic diet.
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The literature you cite is from some early starvation
research... interesting stuff called "starvation in man" However,
these people were not carrying higher than normal amounts of body
protein (ie muscle) and they were not lifting weights. That changes
everything... drastically.
03-10-2005, 10:53 PM
Gunn21
[QUOTE=belaglazov]What does this have to do with
fasting?[/QUOTE] who said anything about fasting?
03-10-2005, 10:54 PM
belaglazov
What Diet This Isn't A Diet This Is The Way The Body Works. The
Atkins Diet Has Many Flaws And Atkins Dosen't Acknowlededge
Calories In The Role Of Wieght Loss And Atkins Is For The
Obese.atkins Says In Order To Lose Weight You Must Be In Ketosis
Calories Are The Ultimate Apex In Bodyweight Regulation. I'm Trying
To Tell People About Fat Adaptation And How The Body Works Not
Promoting A Diet. Please Don't Put Words In My Mouth.
03-10-2005, 10:59 PM
belaglazov
EVER HEARD OF STEFFASNON LOOKS LIKE YOU GOT A LOT OF HW TO DO.
However, they cannot be used anaerobically, so if you like lifting
heavy weights you can expect your performance to suffer on a
ketogenic diet. THIS IS WHAT YOU SAID STRAIGHTFLEX. THIS IS ONLY
TRUE FOR THE CARB ADAPTED NOT FOR THE FAT ADAPTED.
LEHNINGERS:PRINCIPLES OF BIOCHEMISTRY,fat is the primary source and
the prefered source of fuel of muscles and body tissues at
rest.Blood glucose and glycogen are emergency fuels.Only 15% of the
energy for muscular work comes from glycogen and 15% from blood
glucose.The rest comes from free fatty acids,ketones and recently
discovered intramuscular triglycerides.Carbohydrate burners cannot
efficiently access these fuels and are limited in their ability to
produce ATP once their limited sugar stores are used up.I am not
making this up,it's in Lehningers classic text;pure bio-chem 101.
In Dr. Ellis's Phd. dissertation,his low carb rats out swam the
carbo eating rats by 4 hours! In another study,Ellis had trainees
perform 20 sets of squats and leg presses to exhaustion.Blood
samples were taken and it was discovered that 50% of the fuel was
produced by triglycerides,not glycogen.Ellis besides having a
Phd.in biochemistry and nutrition,also has a Phd.in exercise
physiology.
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So, yes,low carbohydrate diets do turn one into a fat burning
machine.I am living proof,having been in the powerful position of
trying both ways,virtually no carb and mid to high carb.Every
clinical study condemning low carb diets was less than 3 weeks,not
nearly enough time for adaptation to occur. The few studies that
did last longer than 3 weeks supported claims of higher levels of
endurance.I have personally witnessed over 1000 ELLIS clients in
switch over to this diet in the last 6 years with none of the
deliterious effects that you mentioned.Only in the initial
phase,usually the first couple of weeks did people suffer.Afterward
everyone was elated with the results.
03-10-2005, 11:05 PM
Gunn21
Anytime you eat certain foods to change your body's composition
it is a diet. Everything you are saying is vary similar to Dr.
Atkin's theroy, only with increas calories. It does seem kind of
suspicious that you just joined the boards today, and you are
trying so hard to prove your point. It look's to me like you are
promoting a diet.
03-10-2005, 11:07 PM
belaglazov
A POST I GOT FROM DR ELLIS. But the facts are: 75% of all fuel
used by a muscle comes from the burning of fat and most of that
coming from intramuscular triglycerides. How to slow this down? Eat
carbs and that is the reason everyone came up with this notion
because all scientific studies have been done on carb-adapted
organisms. And scientists haven't yet realized that this has been
the major limitation to the studies as to what fuel a contracting
muscle uses. Oh yeah, they say fat is OK until the intensity
increases and then we need to rely on carbs. That's not true,
however, in fat-adapted organisms as a few studies now show. But
the scientists just don't have it altogether yet to figure it out.
It just so happened that I did because I've studied all this stuff
and trained too. They just don't have enough experience to put it
all together. I do. It will die real hard and I expect few to
accept it. But, when you do, and you see how it works, you'll
become a convert. Maxwell knows. Your strength goes up because you
have more endurance on fat -- that's what the muscle wants to burn.
The scientists know this but they don't know how to make the
manipulations required to make it happen. So, you'll only be able
to read what I write because no one else knows this yet. And
usually, a voice of one is never enough to be very convincing. So,
it will be up to those few adventurers, the early adopters, who
say, let me give this a try and see what happens. It'll take
science 20 years to get where I am now (unless I sell a lot of
books, make lots of money and set up my own research lab with some
hot young PhDs crankin' out the work).
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STEVE MAXWELL IS A 3 TIME WORLD BRAZILLIAN JIU JITSU CHAMPION
I'M SURE YOU'VE HEARD OF HIM MAHLER INTERVIEWED HIM AND CHECK OUT
DR ELLIS INTERVIEW ON BODYBUILDING.COM
[url]http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/mahler11.htm[/url]
03-10-2005, 11:12 PM
belaglazov
THIS IS NO DIET THIS IS THE WAY OUR BODIES WORK ONCE AGAIN. IF
YOU WANNA DENY THE FACTS GO AHEAD DENY THE FACTS BUT YOU CAN'T DENY
HOW THE BODY WORKS. When I was on his radio show in NY in 1989, he
took me out to dinner. After he ate his potato he asked if he could
eat mine too as I hadn't touched it. He fell off his pedestal at
that moment. I then taught him all about ketones and that info
appeared without ref. to me in his re-released 1992 book. He is
fat, quite fat and his office staff tells him how fat he is. He WAS
living out on Long Island pulling down $11 mil plus a year and he
is so wrong about so many things that it is unbelievable. If you go
to his site he pumps his chest about his sciene and lists an
independent poll that was done comparing his plan to low fat. He
ballyhoos how people weren't hungry but ignores the one question in
which 76% of the respondents said they wanted to lose more weight.
Unfortunately, he has no plan in place to help because he knows so
little about weight control. He's a lost soul. Greg Ellis
03-10-2005, 11:14 PM
belaglazov
the optimal diet may not lead to results that are so profoundly
better to make it worth sticking to the optimal diet over obtaining
more pleasure and enjoyment from a diet plan that is less than
optimal. These are choices each individual must make. I am a
low-carbohydrate proponent but CHO restriction does not have to be
reduced to such low extremes as advised by Protein Power, Atkins
and others to have good results from this diet. So, an effective
low-cho diet can have enough CHO to provide the variety one needs
for dietary pleasure. If you read the post I made today, you will
understand how ineffective the Metabolic Diet is because it is not
based on a thorough understanding of the biochemistry underlying
metabolic regulation. As such, it cannot possibly lead to better
muscle gains and "density" (whatever that term means). By
definition, CHO eating induces fat making from carbohydrate, so
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positive response provided by low CHO during the week is
effectively negated by high-CHO during the weekend and fat making
will be rapid because of the previous 5 days of CHO deprivation.
And, unfortunately, your body will never become fully fat-adapted
and you'll never realize the power, strength, and endurance
possibilities accruing to full and complete fat-adaptation, a far
more powerful adaptation than being adapted to burn CHO, a
secondary fuel and not the body's first choice to power muscular
contraction and performance in spite of the mistaken belief that
CHO is the best fuel. It is not even close to fat.
03-10-2005, 11:17 PM
belaglazov
ELLIS DISECTS THE ATKINS FLAWS HERE. ELLIS AND ME ARE PROMOTING
THE IDEA OF FAT ADAPTATION. TO BECOME FAT ADAPTED AND TO USE FAT AS
THE PRIMARY FUEL FOR THE BODY NOT CARBOHYDRATES AND GLUCOSE.
ultimatedietsecrets.com/atkins_diet.html
03-10-2005, 11:21 PM
Pirub88
[QUOTE=str8flexed]wow. What a load of bull****. Ketosis is much
more ineffiicient... it's part of the reason the body burns more
calories; because of the inefficiency.[/QUOTE] You're saying
ketones are much more inefficient than triglycerides? I don't
believe that. The conversion is probably a lost of 1-3% maximum.
This is not "much more inefficient" and i think there are other
reasons that low carb diets are ideal for lipolysis (ie. less
secretion of insulin). Can you provide information on ketone
inefficiency? I'm assuming you're referring to the conversion of
triglycerides to ketones.
03-10-2005, 11:24 PM
Gunn21
Like I said before, I've tried eating low carbs before. I did it
longer than two weeks. Probley closer to two months. Why did I feel
very unhealthy, and have very little energy.
03-10-2005, 11:26 PM
belaglazov
Pirub88 i think he was referring to ketogenic diet and saying
how glucose is such an SUPERIOR energy source. IT'S ALL PART OF THE
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CENTRIC PARADIGM. PIRUB88 = FINALLY SOMEONE WHO UNDERTANDS AND
IS WILLING TO LISTEN.
03-10-2005, 11:29 PM
ironman1964bc
Although I do agree with about 90% of what Dr. Ellis says, I
still have some problems with the other 10%. 1) CARBS ARE PROTEIN
SPARING I lost fat on the Ellis diet but I lost alot of muscle too,
especially when I upped the aerobics. When I went from 75 to 300
grams of carbs, the muscle returned along with alot more energy. 2)
CARBS ARE YOUR TURBO FUEL When doing a short, intense activity like
wind sprints or a 20 rep squat, the carbs are the bodies preferred
fuel. Fat cannot be burned fast enough to supply the energy needed
for short bursts of activity. 3) INSULIN IS A NON-FACTOR IN WELL
TRAINED ATHLETES It has been shown over and over again that well
trained athletes do not have insulin problems resulting from eating
carbs, as long as they are starchy carbs. Athletes eating oatmeal,
brown rice, yams, etc will not get the insulin spike that couch
potatoes would get fron eating these same carbs. 4) FOR EVERY
PERSON WHO GOT LEAN GOING LOW CARB, THERE ARE 10 WHO DID IT GOING
MODERATE CARB every bodybuilder I have ever read about has admitted
to eating a fair amount of complex carbs. they may go low carb in
their cutting phase but they also realize that it is an unnatural
state for the body to be in. that is why they only do it in the
weeks before a contest. the rest of the year they are back to
moderate carbs. 5) WHO IS RIGHT....CLARENCE BASS OR DR ELLIS? I
would say that both of them are right. everybody has different
metabolisms and different needs. to say that 1 particular diet
works for everybody is crazy. having said that, I am willing to bet
that if Bass and Ellis switched diets, that they would still be
just as cut as they are today. they have the dicipline and desire
to make any diet work, low or higher carb. 6) SORRY, BUT THE
MODERATE CARB DIET IS THE BODYBUILDING DIET it has been used by
every bodybuilder I have ever read about in the past 30 years
(except cutting phases) why fight something that has been proven to
work.
03-10-2005, 11:30 PM
belaglazov
Like I said before, I've tried eating low carbs before. I did it
longer than two weeks. Probley closer to two months. Why did I feel
very unhealthy, and have very little energy. SIMPLE YOUR BODY DID
NOT ADAPT YET. I AM TELLING YOU
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MAN THIS IS NO JOKE. I THOUGHT IT WAS TOO BUT IT'S NOT. IT TAKES
2-6 MONTHS TO GET TRULLY FAT ADAPTED NOT 2 WEEKS NOT EVEN CLOSE.
AFTER 2 WEEKS YOU WILL SHRINK LIKE A RAISIN. THE ENZYMES GROW OVER
A PERIOD OF MONTHS. EATING CARBS BLOCKS THIS ENZYME GROWTH. ELLIS
FINALLY CONVERTED ME AFTER YEARS OF SUFFERING. I'LL GIVE YOU AN
EXAMPLE. GET A FAT ADAPTED PERSON AND FEED HIM CARBS AND GRAINS AND
WATCH HIS PERFORMANCE GO TO HELL. THE SAME THING WITH THE CARB GUY.
LISTEN YOU HAVE 10 TIMES MORE FAT STORES THAN GLUCOSE. THE ONLY WAY
TO TRIGGER IT IS AN ADAPTATION PERIOD OF 2-6 MONTHS. CARBS MUST BE
KEPT AT 13 PERCENT OF THE DIET AND IN A 2,000 CALORIES DIET THIS IS
60 GRAMS. READ THE INTERVIEW WITH DR ELLIS. ELLIS DEDICATED HIS
WHOLE LIFE TO FAT ADAPTATION.
03-10-2005, 11:31 PM
belaglazov
Why Is Everyone Repeating The Same Thing. People Listen There Is
An Adaptation Period Of 2-6 Months And Glucose Will Not Come Close
To Fat At All.
03-10-2005, 11:33 PM
BringnIt
What kinds of fats is he recommending, and if what you are
advocating is correct why would your body require carbs at all?
03-10-2005, 11:34 PM
belaglazov
ANOTHER POST ELLIS SENT ME ABOUT THE CONFUSION ON ATP AND MUSCLE
ONCTRACTION LIKE SPRINTS. That's right on the ATP and CP, but
they're worth about 10 seconds of contraction power and must be
replenished, and after that, what you eat and what pathways are
cooking determine the next move. Keep in mind, the by-products of
fat metabolism control the use of cho metab. So if fat
(beta-oxidation) is cranking, the by products, called metabolic
inhibitors, reach back to the enzymes that process carbs and slow
them. So glycolysis is controlled by fat burning and fat burning is
controlled, ultimately, by the number of fat burning enzymes (so it
can be processed fast) and by the fuel delivered (which is, again,
ultimately, determined by the fuel fed, which dictates the enzymes
that the genes encode for -- fat-as-energy ones or
carbohydrate-stored-as-fat ones). Fat burning controls cho burning,
that is the essential point to understand to make hay out of this
scenario, one that our scientists have missed.
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In this scenario, the ATP can come from anything -- the body
doesn't care -- just make the ATP it says -- and fat is the best
source of ATP -- and here more of it goes through the TCA cycle
instead of the lactate cycle. My estrogen dosed rats had about 1/2
the lactate as the no-estrogen animals. Why? Estrogen mimics
starvation and low cho and sets up the same hormone profile which
induces fat burning and cho sparing. Why sparing? Because if you
burn fat, you don't need to burn cho, and the burning of fat turns
off the burning of cho because of metabolic regulatory controls
that act on several sites of the processing of glucose and
glycolysis, slowing it down. The beauty of this is that the better
you adapt to this, the more ATP arises from fat burning, and it is
fast and powerful and muscle proteins, as a source of glucose, and,
ultimately, as a source of fuel, is reduced, hence bigger, stronger
muscles. Now, the ultimate fat-burning scenario is when you are in
maximum ketosis and now fuel availability from fat is at its
highest as is muscle protein preservation (why convert muscle
aminos to glucose when I have so much fat available as fuel, says
the body) and muscle strength increases and endurance performance
are maximized. But, to reach this state, you must feed fat, be low
in cho, have a high glucagon to insulin ratio and you will max out,
from the dietetic part, at least, your genetic potenttial will be
realized. We haven't got there yet as science is still ensconced in
cho love. And, I've told you that story already. So, here, you try
my idea, and find out how it works for you, if you wait for science
to present more of what you say in the first paragraphs of your
post, you'll wait forever until your platoon leaders, the dopes
that many were, listen to anything that you tell them. Not a pick,
but ketones are not silly, they are real cool, and if maximum
performance is your quest, get into them and I'm telling you,
you'll be pleasantly suprised. You will not know the old friend,
fatigue, anymore. I'll look up those books as I need something else
to read at the beach this year than the pure **** that has been
circulating in my brain during this book-writing ordeal.
03-10-2005, 11:39 PM
Gunn21
[QUOTE=belaglazov]Why Is Everyone Repeating The Same Thing.
People Listen There Is An Adaptation Period Of 2-6 Months And
Glucose Will Not Come Close To Fat At All.[/QUOTE] Then why did you
say in your second post that the bad side effects go away after two
weeks. Feeling unhealthy, and haveing no energy are bad side
effects. Especilly when trying to gain muscle. I also noticed that
you are extreamly educated on this subject. Are you sure you're not
Dr. Ellis Phd???
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03-10-2005, 11:41 PM
belaglazov
What kinds of fats is he recommending, and if what you are
advocating is correct why would your body require carbs at all?
BringnIt Hey bring it your body does not need carbohydrates at ALL.
YES IN A CARB ADAPTED ORGANISM THAT IS TRUE BUT NOT IN A FAT
ADAPTED ORGANISM. STEFFANSON LIVED 1 YEAR ON AN EXCLUSIVE MEAT
DIET. EVER HEARD OF STEFFANSON? ELLIS RECOMMENDS WE EAT SATURATED
FAT AND LOTS OF IT. DON'T FEAR SATURATED FAT. CARBS TURN INTO
SATURATED FAT. EATING SATURATED FAT PROVIDES FUEL FOR THE BODY IN
THE ABSCENSE OF GLUCOSE. AVOID TRANS FAT. THAT IS THE KILLER RIGHT
THERE. FAT IS THE PRIMARY FUEL FOR THE BODY'S TISSUES AND THE
PRIMARY PATHWAY FOR CARBOHYDRATE USE IS ITS CONVERSION TO HIGHLY
SATURATED HUMAN FAT. THE PURPOSE OF THE CONVERSION OF CARBOHYDRATE
TO FAT IS SO THAT THE BODY CAN ALWAYS PRODUCE FAT, EVEN IN ITS
ABSCENSE FROM THE DIET. FAT IS VERY IMPORTANT TO HELATH BECAUSE OF
ITS USE IN CELL MEMBRANES AND HORMONE PROSUCTION, TO CITE JUST A
FEW EXAMPLLES. BECAUSE OF FAT'S IMPORTANCE, THE BODY DEVELOPED A
VERY SOPHISTICATED MECHANISM FOR ITS PRODUCTION IN THE FACE OF ANY
DISTRUPTION IN ITS SUPPLY. SO EATING CARBS WILL TURN INTO SATURATED
FAT A REAL KILLER FOR HEART DISEASE. WHEN YOU LOSE WEIGHT SATURATED
FAT POURS INTO YOUR BLOOD. THE BODY DOSEN'T CARE YOU CAN EAT IT OR
STARVE YOURSELF ONLY WAY TO TRIGGER IT IS DROP CARBS. THERE IS SO
LITTLE GLYCOGEN ONLY 300 GRAMS AND THE REST IS RAPIDLY CONVERTED TO
FAT.
03-10-2005, 11:44 PM
belaglazov
Then why did you say in your second post that the bad side
effects go away after two weeks. Feeling unhealthy, and haveing no
energy are bad side effects. Especilly when trying to gain muscle.
I also noticed that you are extreamly educated on this subject. Are
you sure you're not Dr. Ellis Phd??? The post that i put from dr
ellis are his own posts everything is me. I will try to have him
come on the board. ANYTIME WHEN YOU GO FROM ONE FUEL TO ANOTHER
THERE IS AN ADAPTATION PERIOD. DON'T DROP CARBS TO FAST THE
TRANSITION TAKES 2-6 MONTHS. LIKE I SAID IF YOU GET A FAT ADAPTED
GUY LIKE ME ON CARBS I WILL FEEL DIZZY AND HORRIBLE. WHY THEN YOU
SAY EAT FAT
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AND BE A FAT BURNER SIMPLE IT'S YOUR MAIN FUEL AND GLUCOSE
CANNOT COME CLOSE.
03-10-2005, 11:49 PM
BringnIt
So he doesn't recommend you intake a good balance of omega 3's,
etc.? And I'm no expert but I thought that your brain required
glucose to function, and do you have any studies that show that
carbs turn into saturated fat?
03-10-2005, 11:53 PM
belaglazov
Yes Plenty I Will Post Them Here Yes He Does Reccomend Omaga 3's
Don't Worry Aobut The Fats Just Avoid Trans Fat. Your Intake Should
Be 75 Percent Fat And The Rest Protein.
03-10-2005, 11:53 PM
BringnIt
Additionally, where is the fiber in this diet? Could you give an
example of a normal day's meals?
03-10-2005, 11:54 PM
belaglazov
Well The Studies That Show The Brain Using Ketones As Fuels Has
Not Made It From The Papers To The Textbooks. Nobosy Cares They're
Stuck In The Gluco - Centric Paradigm.
03-10-2005, 11:58 PM
belaglazov
THERE IS NO NEED FOR FIBER ON A MEAT EATING DIET. THE WHOLE
FIBER THING CAME FROM PEOPLE EATING GRAINS AND COMBINING IT WITH
MEAT. THIS CLOGS UP THE COLON.Only people eating white flour and
cereal grains suffer from constipation. For them, fiber acts as a
sort of broom to push sticky grains and flours through the colon.
The fiber is an intestinal irritant and forces evacuation. The
higher fat content of a meat based diet lubricates the bowel and
actually increases regularity. Sometimes people new to the low carb
diet approach will initially suffer with constipation. This is
almost always immediately corrected with an increase in fat content
and more liquid being consumed. LISTEN DON'T LISTEN TO THE ATKINS
LOSERS YOU DON'T NEED FIBER ITS AN UNDIGESTABLE IRRITANT. YOU MIGHT
HAVE A BOWEL ONCE A
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WEEK BUT THERE ARE NO WASTES YOUR BODY IS DIGESTING EVERYTHING
YOURE EATING YOU WILL NOT BE CONSTIPATED.
03-10-2005, 11:59 PM
belaglazov
My original stance was that fruits and vegetables in the raw
state are largely undigestible and uneccesary for human health and
well being. Because of the cellulose fiber surounding and binding
the nutrients in raw produce, the nutrients pass through the human
digestive track undigested. This is based on the work and research
of Dr. Walter L. Voegtlin M.D. In his book, The Stone Age Diet, Dr.
Voegtlin points to many, many cultures past and present who
exhibited outstanding health who never ate fruits or vegetables or
grains. He gives as an example that only 1% of the nutrients in a
raw carrot can be digested as opposed to 18% of a cooked carrot.
When cooked, vegetables and fruits are just another carb. Juiced
fruits and vegetables will release the simple sugars from the
ruptured cells, but the actual majority of nutrients and minerals
remain bound in the cellulose fiber. Someone mentioned vegans and
how do they survive if this is the case. Vegans base their diets on
cereal grains and cooked starches. Most choose to supplement their
diets with soy and vegetable based proteins if they work out.
Beans, nuts, nut butters round out the vegan diet. Fruits and
vegetables make up only a small percentage of the total calories of
the vegan diet. Limes were used for centuries by sailors the world
over to prevent scurvy. This was because the diets of these sailors
were grain based, mostly dried biscuits(hard tack)that were totally
devoid of nutrients. Fresh meat was very rare on the old sailing
ships because of storage problems. When anthropologist Vilhjalmur
Stefansson did his eight year exploration of the artic, he and his
party ate nothing but meat, fish and fat. There was no sign of
scurvy or any defficiency diseases among him or his party. He noted
that the native peoples subsisted admirably on the same meat diet.
Bradford Angier also wrote about his experiences with wilderness
survival with the meat and fat diet. Dr. Ellis showed me a recent
study among the thousands stored at his office. It showed no
difference in death rate between people who eat the recommended 8
servings of fruits and vegetables daily and populations of people
who eat none at all. Voegtlin, Ellis and many others are convinced,
as am I, that meat and fat provide a complete diet that supplies
everything man needs to prosper and flourish in complete health
03-11-2005, 12:01 AM
belaglazov
Experience Shows This And It Is A Much Better Teacher Than
Theory. Today's Nuritionists All Base Their Scinece On Theory And
Exclude Experience.
03-11-2005, 12:02 AM
Gunn21
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[QUOTE=belaglazov]Then why did you say in your second post that
the bad side effects go away after two weeks. Feeling unhealthy,
and haveing no energy are bad side effects. Especilly when trying
to gain muscle. I also noticed that you are extreamly educated on
this subject. Are you sure you're not Dr. Ellis Phd??? The post
that i put from dr ellis are his own posts everything is me. I will
try to have him come on the board. ANYTIME WHEN YOU GO FROM ONE
FUEL TO ANOTHER THERE IS AN ADAPTATION PERIOD. DON'T DROP CARBS TO
FAST THE TRANSITION TAKES 2-6 MONTHS. LIKE I SAID IF YOU GET A FAT
ADAPTED GUY LIKE ME ON CARBS I WILL FEEL DIZZY AND HORRIBLE. WHY
THEN YOU SAY EAT FAT AND BE A FAT BURNER SIMPLE IT'S YOUR MAIN FUEL
AND GLUCOSE CANNOT COME CLOSE.[/QUOTE] If you take an avege person
and put them on an extremly low carb diet they will feel light
headed and horrible after a week or so. I don't see how droping
carbs over time would be any diffrent. Even if you are right about
fat adaptation, I dont think it would be worth it if you have to
feel horrible for 6 months first. There is a QUOTE button in the
bottom right hand of all the posts
03-11-2005, 12:03 AM
belaglazov
Ellis Himself Ate Nothing But Steaks For 5 Months Straight.
03-11-2005, 12:05 AM
belaglazov
No Not Neccasrilly 6 Months You Feel Better After 3 Weeks The
Whole Transition Period Ends After 6 Months. You Will Look Flat
During The Fist Couple Of Weeks But You Will Feel Much Better
Mentally After 1 Month. This Is Not Atkins. Atkins Is A Fat Slob
Trying To Have Fat Slobs Lose Weight. Ellis Is For The Athlete And
He Himself Has Spread The Word On This And I Am Too Now.
03-11-2005, 12:07 AM
belaglazov
You Will Look Flat Because Youre Body Can Not Process The Fat
Efficeintly First. After You Get Adapted The Muscle Will Fill Out
And Look Much Larger Then They Did With Glycogen This Is No Joke.
You'll Have Arms And Legs Bulging Out Once You Get Adapted. And All
This Micro Managmeent With Carbs Will Be In The Past.
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03-11-2005, 12:08 AM
BringnIt
If he ate nothing but steaks for 5 months where did he get all
of his vitamins and minerals, etc., from? I.E., vitamin C, calcium,
etc.
03-11-2005, 12:08 AM
Gunn21
[QUOTE=belaglazov]Ellis Himself Ate Nothing But Steaks For 5
Months Straight.[/QUOTE] Whats your point?
03-11-2005, 12:09 AM
belaglazov
This Is What Happens Now When I Eat Carbs. My Blood Pressure Is
Between 110 75 And 115 75. After Eating Carbs My Blood Pressure
Goes Up To 138 - 80 This Is What I'm Talking About. Giving A Fat
Adaptation Organism Carbs Is Like Shoving Fat Down A Carb Adapted
Person. But You Will Be Much More Alert When Your Body Is Burning
Ketones And Not That Demon Glucose.
03-11-2005, 12:12 AM
BringnIt
I wonder where Layne went... Probably ate too many carbs and
exploded.
str8flexed
[QUOTE=Pirub88]You're saying ketones are much more inefficient
than triglycerides? I don't believe that. The conversion is
probably a lost of 1-3% maximum. This is not "much more
inefficient" and i think there are other reasons that low carb
diets are ideal for lipolysis (ie. less secretion of insulin). Can
you provide information on ketone inefficiency? I'm assuming you're
referring to the conversion of triglycerides to ketones.[/QUOTE] it
is inefficient because it is incomplete fatty acid oxidation...
what the heck do you think ketones are?
03-11-2005, 12:12 AM
belaglazov
BringnIt If he ate nothing but steaks for 5 months where did he
get all of his vitamins and minerals, etc., from? I.E., vitamin C,
calcium, etc. THESE ARE ALL THEORIES MADE BY TODAY'S CLUELESS
SCIENTISTS. TELL ME ABOUT THE ESKIMOS AND STEFFANSON. DO YOU KNOW
STEFFANSON IT'S ALL PUBLISHED STUDIES.
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STEFFANSON ATE NOTHING BUT MEAT FOR 1 YEAR UNDER CLINICAL
SUPERVISION. HE CAME OUT HELATHIER DESPITE ONLY EATING MEAT. THE
ESKIMOS ONLY EAT MEAT AND HAD NO OBESITY AND HEART DISEASE UNTIL
GRAINS WERE INTRODUCED IN THEIR DIET.
03-11-2005, 12:13 AM
str8flexed
[QUOTE=BringnIt]I wonder where Layne went... Probably ate too
many carbs and exploded.[/QUOTE] bout to leave this thread. Some
people would rather here gimicky bull**** than the truth
03-11-2005, 12:14 AM
BringnIt
So vitamin C is just a theory?
03-11-2005, 12:14 AM
Gunn21
I give up. I feel like I'm arguing with the owner of Mucle
Tech.
03-11-2005, 12:15 AM
str8flexed
[QUOTE=belaglazov]BringnIt If he ate nothing but steaks for 5
months where did he get all of his vitamins and minerals, etc.,
from? I.E., vitamin C, calcium, etc. THESE ARE ALL THEORIES MADE BY
TODAY'S CLUELESS SCIENTISTS. TELL ME ABOUT THE ESKIMOS AND
STEFFANSON. DO YOU KNOW STEFFANSON IT'S ALL PUBLISHED STUDIES.
STEFFANSON ATE NOTHING BUT MEAT FOR 1 YEAR UNDER CLINICAL
SUPERVISION. HE CAME OUT HELATHIER DESPITE ONLY EATING MEAT. THE
ESKIMOS ONLY EAT MEAT AND HAD NO OBESITY AND HEART DISEASE UNTIL
GRAINS WERE INTRODUCED IN THEIR DIET.[/QUOTE] vitamin deficiencies
are theories? wow.. the engine is running but no one is behind the
wheel
03-11-2005, 12:15 AM
belaglazov
I Know This Is Hard To Beleive But These Are All Facts. Men Can
Live Perfectly Fine On Just Meat And Fat. He Dosen't Need Any Other
Nutrients. Okay You Ask The Long Term Effects Steffasnon Ate This
Way And Died In His 80's I Believe. The Eskimos Were In Perfect
Health Depsite Eating A High Fat Diet Until Grains Took Over. Look
At America We Have All Our Vitamins Yet Our The Most Obese Nation
On Earth.
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03-11-2005, 12:16 AM
str8flexed
[QUOTE=belaglazov]ANOTHER POST ELLIS SENT ME ABOUT THE CONFUSION
ON ATP AND MUSCLE ONCTRACTION LIKE SPRINTS. That's right on the ATP
and CP, but they're worth about 10 seconds of contraction power and
must be replenished, and after that, what you eat and what pathways
are cooking determine the next move. Keep in mind, the by-products
of fat metabolism control the use of cho metab. [/QUOTE] this is
old school thinking and has been subject to much criticism of
late... especially be Dr. Robert Wolfe of the University of Texas.
I doubt many of you know him, but most of your post workout drinks
are based on his research oh, and by the way, fatty acids cannot
contribute anything to anaerobic metabolism which is what you use
when you lift weights (unless you lift extremely light for
endurance)
03-11-2005, 12:17 AM
BringnIt
What about the traditional Asian diet that is like 50%
carbs?
03-11-2005, 12:18 AM
str8flexed
[QUOTE=belaglazov]I Know This Is Hard To Beleive But These Are
All Facts. Men Can Live Perfectly Fine On Just Meat And Fat. He
Dosen't Need Any Other Nutrients. Okay You Ask The Long Term
Effects Steffasnon Ate This Way And Died In His 80's I Believe. The
Eskimos Were In Perfect Health Depsite Eating A High Fat Diet Until
Grains Took Over. Look At America We Have All Our Vitamins Yet Our
The Most Obese Nation On Earth.[/QUOTE] Why don't you tell that to
people who suffer everyday from some type of vitamin deficiency you
brain washed fool
03-11-2005, 12:20 AM
BringnIt
Satan offered Eve the apple, not the steak, as I recall. Damn
fructose!
03-11-2005, 12:23 AM
belaglazov
Vitaminc C Is Not Needed In A Fat Adapted Organism Eating A High
Fat Meat Diet. Type In Steffanson And Read About His Famous Study
Made In Belluve Hospital.
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03-11-2005, 12:24 AM
belaglazov
What about the traditional Asian diet that is like 50% carbs?
WHAT ABOUT IT?
03-11-2005, 12:25 AM
Gunn21
Stop It!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I Cant Take It
Anymore!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
03-11-2005, 12:26 AM
belaglazov
I'm Sorry But People Don't Listen They're Too Brainwashed By The
Food Pyramid And What Our Govenrment Tells Them.
03-11-2005, 12:27 AM
BringnIt
You said Americans are fat, well, Asians eat a high carb diet
and are generally healthy.
03-11-2005, 12:31 AM
belaglazov
HA FUNNY YOU SAID THAT. THE FOOD YOU EAT DETERMINES YOUR BODY
COMPOISTION. ONE CAN GET LEAN EATING NOITHING BUT CAKES AS LONG AS
HE MAINTAINS AN ENERGY BALANCE. HE'LL BE A LITTLE FATTER AT THE END
OF THE DAY WILL NO MUSCLE BUT IT WILL WORK. Too many Calories make
you fat. So it's possible to eat a high carb diet and remain lean
if you undereat as the asians do but you see why their body
composition is so horrible.
03-11-2005, 12:33 AM
belaglazov
Americans generally combine high carb with high fat and it is a
deadly combination. THE BODY DOES NOT MONITOR THE AMOUNT OF
CALORIES IT EATS. IT MONITORS THE AMOUNT OF FUEL IN ITS TISSUES.
CARBS SEND SIGNALS TO THE BRAIN WHICH TRIGGER HUNGER. SO THE FAT
AMREICAN GUY EATS CARBS GETS HUNGRY THEN EATS MORE. ASAINS DON'T
EAT LIKE AMERICANS AND THEIR DIET IS VIRTUALLY ALL CARBS BUT THEY
UNDEREAT A LOT.
03-11-2005, 12:34 AM
belaglazov
Even A Fat Adapted Organism Can Get Fat Eating Too Much Fat. The
Whole Thing With Metabolic Advantages Is A Complete Myth Ellis
Talks About This. Atkins Has Really Ocnfused Everyone.
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03-11-2005, 12:36 AM
Gunn21
[QUOTE=belaglazov]I'm Sorry But People Don't Listen They're Too
Brainwashed By The Food Pyramid And What Our Govenrment Tells
Them.[/QUOTE] I've been working out for over 5 years on and off.
You are either part of a scam, or have been brainwashed by a
scam.
03-11-2005, 12:37 AM
BringnIt
Come on Gunn, you know that's just the carbs talking...
03-11-2005, 12:40 AM
belaglazov
OH AND KETONES PRODUCE ATP MUCH MORE EFFICENTLY THAN GLUCOSE.
HERE'S A STUDY DONE BY RICHARD VEECH ONE OF THE EXPERTS ON THIS.
Ketoacids? Good medicine? Cahill GF Jr, Veech RL.
D-beta-hydroxybutyrate, the principal "ketone" body in starving
man, displaces glucose as the predominating fuel for brain,
decreasing the need for glucose synthesis in liver (and kidney) and
accordingly spares its precursor, muscle-derived amino acids. Thus
normal 70 kg. man survives 2-3 months of starvation instead of
several weeks, and obese man many months to over a year. Without
this metabolic adaptation, H. sapiens could not have evolved such a
large brain. Recent studies have shown that D-beta-hydroxybutyrate,
the principal "ketone", is not just a fuel, but a "superfuel" more
efficiently producing ATP energy than glucose or fatty acid. In a
perfused rat heart preparation, it increased contractility and
decreased oxygen consumption. It has also protected neuronal cells
in tissue culture against exposure to toxins associated with
Alzheimer's or Parkinson's. In a rodent model it decreased the
death of lung cells induced by hemorrhagic shock. Also, mice
exposed to hypoxia survived longer. These and other data suggest a
potential use of beta-hydroxybutyrate in a number of medical and
non-medical conditions where oxygen supply or substrate utilization
may be limited. Efforts are underway to prepare esters of
beta-hydroxybutyrate which can be taken orally or parenterally to
study its potential therapeutic applications.
[url]http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=12813917[/url]
03-11-2005, 12:40 AM
Gunn21
[QUOTE=BringnIt]Come on Gunn, you know that's just the carbs
talking...[/QUOTE] Did you get those 2 rep's from Belaglazov???
03-11-2005, 12:42 AM
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belaglazov
I've been working out for over 5 years on and off. You are
either part of a scam, or have been brainwashed by a scam. WHAT
SCAM IS THAT. WHAT DOES YOU WORKING OUT HAVE TO DO WITH ANYTHING.
YES YOU MIGHT BE LEAN AND MUSCULAR BUT DEPENDING ON GLYCOGEN YOU
CAN NOT HAVE OPTIMIZED THE PROCESS OF BEING AT YOUR BEST MEANING
MORE MUSCLE AND LESS FAT.
03-11-2005, 12:44 AM
BringnIt
Uh, I'm not sure, I didn't even notice them.
03-11-2005, 12:45 AM
belaglazov
This Isn't An Opinion These Are The Facts. Fat's Your Primary
Fuel And To Use Fat Efficently There Is An Adaptation Period To Go
From A Carb Burner To A Fat Burner. Carb Loading Will Not Achive
This.
03-11-2005, 12:45 AM
Gunn21
[QUOTE=belaglazov]I've been working out for over 5 years on and
off. You are either part of a scam, or have been brainwashed by a
scam. WHAT SCAM IS THAT. WHAT DOES YOU WORKING OUT HAVE TO DO WITH
ANYTHING. YES YOU MIGHT BE LEAN AND MUSCULAR BUT DEPENDING ON
GLYCOGEN YOU CAN NOT HAVE OPTIMIZED THE PROCESS OF BEING AT YOUR
BEST MEANING MORE MUSCLE AND LESS FAT.[/QUOTE] Working out for 5
years mean I have seen alot of scams come and go. I'm just saying
all of your posts sound like BS.
03-11-2005, 12:46 AM
BringnIt
How do I check where the reps came from...?
03-11-2005, 12:48 AM
Gunn21
[QUOTE=BringnIt]How do I check where the reps came
from...?[/QUOTE] I'm not sure, but they probly came from Belaglazov
cause your buying into his BS.
03-11-2005, 12:50 AM
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Gunn21
[QUOTE=str8flexed]god just another sheep. Doesn't anyone think
for themselves anymore. so what you are saying is low carb diets
increase lipolysis. NO ****. Thanks for the newsflash lol. do you
even know what liver enzymes you are talking about? Additionally,
you do realize that ketones can only be used oxidatively, not
glycolytically. Guess what lifting heavy weights is... glycolytic.
Fortunately your body can make about 120g of glucose per day via
gluconeogensis but much of that will go to fuel the brain, red
blood cells, and central nervous system. That doesn't leave much
left over and thus your anaerobic performance will suffer.[/QUOTE]
Bump.
03-11-2005, 12:50 AM
belaglazov
And You Know What Gunn I Don't Blame You. All The Studies Out
There Have Been Done On Carb Athletes No Studies Have Been Done On
Fat Adapted Organism Very Few Have But Those Studies Stopped
Because They Were Scared About The Saturated Fat Myth. Ellis
Learned All This In Med School. He Studies Fuel Metabolism And Was
A Vegetrain For 3 Years And Fell In The Carb Trap. There Are Other
Scientists Like Him Who Know About Fat Adaptation But Very Few. I
Was You 2 Years Ago I Thought It's Impossible To Compete Without
Carbs. Not Anymore. All I'm Saying Is Give It A Chance For 2 Months
Keep Carbs At 50 Grams. You Will Shrink Like Hell For The First
Weeks But Once You Reach That Level When You've Adapted Oh Boy Look
Out.
03-11-2005, 12:52 AM
BringnIt
Hey, I was kidding, I'm drinking a nice big glass of skim milk
as we speak.
03-11-2005, 12:55 AM
Gunn21
[QUOTE=belaglazov]And You Know What Gunn I Don't Blame You. All
The Studies Out There Have Been Done On Carb Athletes No Studies
Have Been Done On Fat Adapted Organism Very Few Have But Those
Studies Stopped Because They Were Scared About The Saturated Fat
Myth. Ellis Learned All This In Med School. He Studies Fuel
Metabolism And Was A Vegetrain For 3 Years And Fell In The Carb
Trap. There Are Other Scientists Like Him Who Know About Fat
Adaptation But Very Few. I Was You 2 Years Ago I Thought It's
Impossible To Compete Without Carbs. Not Anymore. All I'm Saying Is
Give It A Chance For 2 Months Keep Carbs At 50 Grams. You Will
Shrink Like Hell For The First Weeks But Once You Reach That Level
When You've Adapted Oh Boy Look Out.[/QUOTE]
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Have you ever heard of a book called "The Rice Diet". I'm not
sure, but I think the guy that wrote it had a Phd. I'm not saying
that book has anything to do with what your saying, but just
because someone has a Phd, dosent mean there always right.
03-11-2005, 12:55 AM
belaglazov
gunn listen THE CELLS OF A FAT ADAPTED PERSON DON'T NEED GLUCOSE
BECAUSE THEY RELY ON FAT. FAT BECOMES THE PRIMARY SOURCE OF FUEL
FOR MUSCLE AND ORGANS AND FAT CELLS TAKE UP LITTLE FAT OR GLUCOSE
BUT ACTIVALY RELEASE FAT INTO THE CIRCUALTION FOR DISTRIBUTION TO
THE ACTIVE TISSUES. SINCE THESE CELLS REDUCE THEIR USE OF GLUCOSE
THERE'S NO NEED FOR INSULIN SENSITIVITY BECAUSE INSULIN ISN'T
NEEDED. THIS, THEN, IS THE REASON WHY INSULIN SECRETION FROM THE
PANCREAS DECREASES AS MUCH AS 80 PERCENT. THIS SWITCH OVER IS
THEREFORE A MANIFESTLY POSTIVE ADAPTIVE RESPONSES TO THE DECREASE
IN GLUCOSE EXPOSURE. YOURE HOLDING ON TO THIS CARB THING AND SAYING
MY PERFORMANCE WILL SUFFER WHEN IN FACT IT'S TWICE AS BETTER WHEN
ON CARBS.
03-11-2005, 12:57 AM
belaglazov
Of Course I Know That But I'm Talking About Personal Experince
Here Not Some Bs Theory. An Expericence That I And Many Other
People Like Steve Maxwell Expericned. Ellis Is The Expert On This.
He May Not Know It All But When It Comes To How The Body Works And
Fuel Use He Does.
03-11-2005, 12:59 AM
belaglazov
Bout To Go I'll Check Out Your Posts Tommorow.
03-11-2005, 01:05 AM
gaurivaud
[QUOTE=belaglazov] If Burning More Than You Eat This Is The Only
Diet Where You Can Truly Successfully Build Muscle And Lose
Fat.[/QUOTE] This concept is a strange, I don't understand how you
can build muscle if you burn more than you eat, if you burn more
than you eat you don't ahve energy to built something ? OR this
means that energy comes from the fat stores ?? So what is the use
of the fat stores ??
03-11-2005, 01:10 AM
Gunn21
[QUOTE=belaglazov]gunn listen THE CELLS OF A FAT ADAPTED PERSON
DON'T NEED GLUCOSE BECAUSE THEY RELY ON FAT. FAT BECOMES THE
PRIMARY
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SOURCE OF FUEL FOR MUSCLE AND ORGANS AND FAT CELLS TAKE UP
LITTLE FAT OR GLUCOSE BUT ACTIVALY RELEASE FAT INTO THE CIRCUALTION
FOR DISTRIBUTION TO THE ACTIVE TISSUES. SINCE THESE CELLS REDUCE
THEIR USE OF GLUCOSE THERE'S NO NEED FOR INSULIN SENSITIVITY
BECAUSE INSULIN ISN'T NEEDED. THIS, THEN, IS THE REASON WHY INSULIN
SECRETION FROM THE PANCREAS DECREASES AS MUCH AS 80 PERCENT. THIS
SWITCH OVER IS THEREFORE A MANIFESTLY POSTIVE ADAPTIVE RESPONSES TO
THE DECREASE IN GLUCOSE EXPOSURE. YOURE HOLDING ON TO THIS CARB
THING AND SAYING MY PERFORMANCE WILL SUFFER WHEN IN FACT IT'S TWICE
AS BETTER WHEN ON CARBS.[/QUOTE] I'm not saying your body cant run
off fat. I'm saying it's unhealth to have fat make up 75% of the
food you eat, which you said in post 37. I dont care what any study
says.
03-11-2005, 01:18 AM
Gunn21
[QUOTE=str8flexed]vitamin deficiencies are theories? wow.. the
engine is running but no one is behind the wheel[/QUOTE] Bump
03-11-2005, 09:09 AM
str8flexed
[QUOTE=belaglazov]Vitaminc C Is Not Needed In A Fat Adapted
Organism Eating A High Fat Meat Diet. Type In Steffanson And Read
About His Famous Study Made In Belluve Hospital.[/QUOTE] why don't
you cite the study. I suppose vitamin b12 isn't needed either or
folate or B6 gee doc I don't know how you did it but somehow I can
methylate my homocystiene without any folate! That whole vitamin
thing is way overblown you are brainwashed one of us is getting
their PhD in nutritional science... and guess what, it's not
you
03-11-2005, 09:28 AM
velikimajmun
[QUOTE=belaglazov]gunn listen THE CELLS OF A FAT ADAPTED PERSON
DON'T NEED GLUCOSE BECAUSE THEY RELY ON FAT. FAT BECOMES THE
PRIMARY SOURCE OF FUEL FOR MUSCLE AND ORGANS AND FAT CELLS TAKE UP
LITTLE
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FAT OR GLUCOSE BUT ACTIVALY RELEASE FAT INTO THE CIRCUALTION FOR
DISTRIBUTION TO THE ACTIVE TISSUES. SINCE THESE CELLS REDUCE THEIR
USE OF GLUCOSE THERE'S NO NEED FOR INSULIN SENSITIVITY BECAUSE
INSULIN ISN'T NEEDED. THIS, THEN, IS THE REASON WHY INSULIN
SECRETION FROM THE PANCREAS DECREASES AS MUCH AS 80 PERCENT. THIS
SWITCH OVER IS THEREFORE A MANIFESTLY POSTIVE ADAPTIVE RESPONSES TO
THE DECREASE IN GLUCOSE EXPOSURE. YOURE HOLDING ON TO THIS CARB
THING AND SAYING MY PERFORMANCE WILL SUFFER WHEN IN FACT IT'S TWICE
AS BETTER WHEN ON CARBS.[/QUOTE] Are proper sentence structure and
paragraphs bad for your health too? Seriously, I tried to read your
posts and the only thing I got was a headache.
03-11-2005, 11:18 AM
Jotun
[QUOTE=velikimajmun]Are proper sentence structure and paragraphs
bad for your health too? Seriously, I tried to read your posts and
the only thing I got was a headache.[/QUOTE] The headache is just a
side effect; it will go away in a couple weeks and then you'll be
reading with blazing speed and never go back to using those
unfounded "grammar rules" and "punctuation."
03-11-2005, 11:19 AM
velikimajmun
[QUOTE=Jotun]The headache is just a side effect; it will go away
in a couple weeks and then you'll be reading with blazing speed and
never go back to using those unfounded "grammar rules" and
"punctuation."[/QUOTE] Nice reps for you
03-11-2005, 01:39 PM
Majors
here is the thing...ketogenic diet can work and work well if you
follow them properly...ATKINS IS NOT A PROPER KETO DIET....he has
people stay in ketone state while you are on the entirerty of the
diet, which by the way can KILL you because when your body has used
up glycogin the ph of your body becomes more acidic. however, with
a true keto diet there is the card load phase which is usally done
on the weekends and this shift the body back to normal..and since
you have been in a carb depleted state you body requires this to
function properly...ATKINS is to lose WEIGHT KETO is to lose BODY
FAT/GAIN MUSCLE
03-11-2005, 02:04 PM
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Jahkaya
Why is it when reading this thread I only scroll to read Layne's
responses? Low carb and caloric defiects have their place in fat
loss, but without carbohydrates and suffcient calories how does one
expect to gain muscle? At some point if you are in caolric defiect
long enough you WILL lose muscle. Period. Interesting study but it
has no place in BBIng. And what does this have to do with IFBB?
03-11-2005, 02:06 PM
str8flexed
ketogenic has it's place but you should not go straight 0 carb
on days you will be working with heavy weights. Lyle McDonald has
gotten closer than anyone yet with his UD 2.0 as far as maximizing
fat loss, muscle retention, etc. There are some things in there I
don't agree with but overall he is more right than anyone else's
out there by far. Lyle's book is not for those wanting to lose a
few vanity pounds though, lyle's book is for people who want to get
****ing peeled. -Layne
03-11-2005, 02:27 PM
Jahkaya
[QUOTE=str8flexed]ketogenic has it's place but you should not go
straight 0 carb on days you will be working with heavy weights.
Lyle McDonald has gotten closer than anyone yet with his UD 2.0 as
far as maximizing fat loss, muscle retention, etc. There are some
things in there I don't agree with but overall he is more right
than anyone else's out there by far. Lyle's book is not for those
wanting to lose a few vanity pounds though, lyle's book is for
people who want to get ****ing peeled. -Layne[/QUOTE] Bump to that.
Leaning down like nobody's business and strength is actually going
up. While eating only 1700 calories four days a week. Oh and cardio
only twice a week. That's the best part. That man is on to
something. Not to mention that people who want to lose a few vanity
pounds probably couldn't hang with the workouts. I Used to pride my
self on the volume and pounding my muscles could take in the gym.
Now I leave crying like a baby about how I am going to die. I
wouldn't have my workouts any other way. INTENSE!
03-11-2005, 05:15 PM
badboyben
Im on a permanent CK Diet. Carb load meals are the way to go
because:
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1) Metabolic Benefits A continously restricted carbohydrate diet
causes a reduction in T3, but administering carbs can restore T3
levels. 2) Exercise Peformance Carb load repleneshes muscle
glycogen stores. Glycogen is crucial to generating intensity when
working out. 3) Anabolic Benefits (i mentioned before in post 4)
Insulin shuttles sugar and amino acids and other nutrients into
muscles Insulin inhibits protein breakdown Insulin is necessary for
the production of IGF-1 And very importantly, periodicly high carb
feedings can boost testosterone by reducing sex hormone binding
globulin. I have shown you why a carb load is beneficial (and i can
even list references), so can you show me why it isnt??
03-11-2005, 05:43 PM
badboyben
[QUOTE=belaglazov]HA FUNNY YOU SAID THAT. THE FOOD YOU EAT
DETERMINES YOUR BODY COMPOISTION. ONE CAN GET LEAN EATING NOITHING
BUT CAKES AS LONG AS HE MAINTAINS AN ENERGY BALANCE. HE'LL BE A
LITTLE FATTER AT THE END OF THE DAY WILL NO MUSCLE BUT IT WILL
WORK. Too many Calories make you fat. So it's possible to eat a
high carb diet and remain lean if you undereat as the asians do but
you see why their body composition is so horrible.[/QUOTE] Is your
real name Dr Ellis? Anyway in regards to the asians there body
comsposions are better than the americans. Compare the average
american to the average jap and then tell me who is so horrible.
Even though i believe in a low carb diet (with carb load) for
health and body compostion reasons, how come the Japs average life
span is 80+ years? I think its the highest i nthe world. They eat
high carbs, and on top of that they live in a populated and
polluted country. Dont forget my 1st question either...
03-12-2005, 12:55 PM
belaglazov
WELL I DON'T SEE TOO MANY JAPANESE PLUS 200 LBS OF MUSCLE
WALKING AROUND. THEY UNDEREAT IT'S BEEN KNOWN IF YOU CALORIE
RESTRICTION PROLONGS YOUR LIFE NO MATTER WHAT DIET YOU ARE ON. MY
MAIN POINT HERE IS THAT YOU DON'T NEED TO CARB LOAD. SOME GUY ON
HERE SAID YOU'LL DIE ON A ZERO CARB DIET BECAUSE YOURE PH LEVEL
WILL GO DOWN. YOUR PH LEVEL CANNOT BECOME MORE ACIDIC. THEY'RE ALL
CONTROLLED BY BUFFERS AND ANY DEVIATION WILL LEAD TO DEATH. IT
SEEMS ONLY 2 PEOPLE HERE SAW EVERYTING I WROTE. ALL OF YOU ARE
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SAYING GLYCOGEN IS CRUCIAL FOR MUSCULAR CONTRACTIONS. THAT'S
TRUE IN A CARB ADATPED ORGANISM NOT IN A FAT ADAPTED ORGANISM.
DOING CARB LOADS WILL NOT MAKE YOU REACH FAT ADAPTATAION. FAT
ADAPTATION WILL BE REACHED 60-80 GRAMS IN 2-6 MONTHS. HAS ANYONE
DONE IT HERE THIS LONG? HAS ANYONE HEAR KEPT CARBS AT 50 GRAMS FOR
2 MONTHS. YES THERE'S AN ADAPTATION PERIOD BUT I'M TELLING YOU GUYS
IT WILL BE WORTH IT. NONE OF THOSE KETOGENIC GUYS KNOW WHAT THEY'RE
TALKING ABOUT. GREG ELLI STUDIED FUEL METABOLISM AND KETONES. THAT
WAS HIS PROJECT FOR HIS PHD. WHEN HE ADMINISTERED THE RATS ESTROGEN
HE FOUND OUT THAT THE ESTROGEN WAS SPARRING THE GLYCOGEN. AFTER A 1
MOINTH ADAPTATION HIS FAT ADAPTED RATS DID 120 PERCENT BETTER THAN
THE ONES WHO WERE GLYCOGEN LOADED. I'LL POST THE STUDY BUT I DOUBT
ANYONE WILL BE ABLE TO READ IT THOUGH. HE HAS MANY HERE'S ONE.
[url]http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=1761465[/url]
NO I AM NOT GREG ELLIS BUT AM A SUPPORTER OF HIM. SO IS STEVE
MAXWELL ONE OF THE TOP GRAPPLERS IN THE WORLD. I KNOW YOU GUYS KEEP
TALKING ABOUT GLYCOGEN BUT IT ISN'T NEEDED IN A FAT ADAPTED
ORGANISM.
[url]http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=1761465[/url]
Fat doesn't have any glycogen in it so from the carbs you eat a
little go into muscle glycogen and the rest are converted into fat.
Remember, one only has about 300 grams of glycogen in their whole
body's muscles. The mind break is good and I'm sure you're back
into ketosis. A better source of fuel than the glycogen would be
your stores of intramuscular triglycerides particularly since your
muscle prefers to burn the fat over glycogen anyway. So by doing
the process you're doing, you'll never optimize this fat burning
process and allow you to get as strong as you may want. But this is
all a bit of nitpicking because this would only be of concern to
someone making their living by performance. If the break helps you
hang on the diet longer with less trouble than OK. I'm just always
thinking of the optimizing of performance issue and the carb
loading is counterproductive to that. SO CARB LOADING WILL NOT GET
YOU TRULY FAT ADAPTED MEANING NO GLYCGEN AT ALL.
belaglazov
The facts are: 75% of all fuel used by a muscle comes from the
burning of fat and most of that coming from intramuscular
triglycerides. How to slow this down? Eat carbs and that is the
reason everyone came up with this notion because all scientific
studies have been done on carb-adapted organisms. And scientists
haven't yet realized that this has been the major limitation to the
studies as to what fuel a contracting muscle uses. Oh yeah, they
say fat is OK until the intensity increases and then we need to
rely on carbs. That's not true, however, in fat-adapted organisms
as a few studies now show. But the scientists just don't have it
altogether yet to figure it out. It just so happened that I did
because I've studied all this stuff
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and trained too. They just don't have enough experience to put
it all together. ELLIS does. EXPERIENCE IS A MUCH BETTER TEACHER
THAN THEORY. It will die real hard and I expect few to accept it.
But, when you do, and you see how it works, you'll become a
convert. Maxwell knows. Your strength goes up because you have more
endurance on fat -- that's what the muscle wants to burn. The
scientists know this but they don't know how to make the
manipulations required to make it happen. VERY FEW PEOPLE HAVE
WORKED ON THE LEVEL THAT DR ELLIS HAS. VERY FEW SCIENTISTS KNOW
ABOUT FAT ADAPTATION. DIPASQUILE, MCDONALD WHATEVER HIS NAME AND
FAIGIN DON'T KNOW ABOUT FAT ADAPATATION. THE PEOPLE WHO WERE
WORKING CLOSE TO ELLIS DO. YAH I KNOW DON;T BELEIVE A PHD WELL I'VE
TRIED IT WORKED IF IT DIDIN'T I WOULD'VE CALLED HIM A JOKE. STEVE
MAXWELL ONE OF THE TOP GRAPPLERS IN THE WORLD TRIED IT TO AND IT
WORKED. ELLIS REALIZED THAT KETONES PRODUCE ATP MUCH MORE
EFFICIENTLY THAN GLUCOSE AND FATTY ACIDS. RICHARD VEECH ONE OF THE
LEADING EXPERTS ON KETONES FIGURED THIS OUT TOO. I POSTED THIS
STUDY IN PAGE 2 I THINK?
03-12-2005, 01:06 PM
belaglazov
I'm Not Here To Blab On About This And This. I'm Here So You
Guys Can Try This Experience. Once You Become Fat Adapted The
Muscles Will Fill Out And Become Even Larger With Fat. Remember
Carb Loading Will Diminish This.
03-12-2005, 01:08 PM
belaglazov
Remember This Glycogen Isn't Needed In A Fat Adapted Organism.
If Youre Using Glycogen You're Not Fat Adapted. Only One Wat To Try
It And 2 Weeks Will Not Get You There. It's 2-6 Months From My
Expericence And Steve Maxwell's Although You Feel Much Better After
1 Month And Mentally You Will Be More Alert.
03-12-2005, 01:09 PM
belaglazov
The facts are: 75% of all fuel used by a muscle comes from the
burning of fat and most of that coming from intramuscular
triglycerides. How to slow this down? Eat carbs and that is the
reason everyone came up with this notion because all scientific
studies have been done on carb-adapted organisms. And scientists
haven't yet realized that this has been the major limitation to the
studies as to what fuel a contracting muscle uses. Oh yeah, they
say fat is OK until the intensity increases and then we need to
rely on carbs. That's not true, however, in fat-adapted organisms
as a few studies now show. But the scientists just don't have it
altogether yet to figure it out. It just so happened that I did
because I've studied all this stuff and trained too. They just
don't have enough experience to put it all together. ELLIS does.
EXPERIENCE IS A MUCH BETTER TEACHER THAN THEORY. It will die real
hard and I expect few to accept it. But, when you do, and you see
how it
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works, you'll become a convert. Maxwell knows. Your strength
goes up because you have more endurance on fat -- that's what the
muscle wants to burn. The scientists know this but they don't know
how to make the manipulations required to make it happen. VERY FEW
PEOPLE HAVE WORKED ON THE LEVEL THAT DR ELLIS HAS. VERY FEW
SCIENTISTS KNOW ABOUT FAT ADAPTATION. DIPASQUILE, MCDONALD WHATEVER
HIS NAME AND FAIGIN DON'T KNOW ABOUT FAT ADAPATATION. THE PEOPLE
WHO WERE WORKING CLOSE TO ELLIS DO. YAH I KNOW DON;T BELEIVE A PHD
WELL I'VE TRIED IT WORKED IF IT DIDIN'T I WOULD'VE CALLED HIM A
JOKE. STEVE MAXWELL ONE OF THE TOP GRAPPLERS IN THE WORLD TRIED IT
TO AND IT WORKED. ELLIS REALIZED THAT KETONES PRODUCE ATP MUCH MORE
EFFICIENTLY THAN GLUCOSE AND FATTY ACIDS. RICHARD VEECH ONE OF THE
LEADING EXPERTS ON KETONES FIGURED THIS OUT TOO. I POSTED THIS
STUDY IN PAGE 2 I THINK?
03-12-2005, 01:10 PM
str8flexed
[QUOTE=belaglazov]The facts are: 75% of all fuel used by a
muscle comes from the burning of fat and most of that coming from
intramuscular triglycerides. How to slow this down? Eat carbs and
that is the reason everyone came up with this notion because all
scientific studies have been done on carb-adapted organisms. And
scientists haven't yet realized that this has been the major
limitation to the studies as to what fuel a contracting muscle
uses. Oh yeah, they say fat is OK until the intensity increases and
then we need to rely on carbs. That's not true, however, in
fat-adapted organisms as a few studies now show. But the scientists
just don't have it altogether yet to figure it out. It just so
happened that I did because I've studied all this stuff and trained
too. They just don't have enough experience to put it all together.
ELLIS does. EXPERIENCE IS A MUCH BETTER TEACHER THAN THEORY. It
will die real hard and I expect few to accept it. But, when you do,
and you see how it works, you'll become a convert. Maxwell knows.
Your strength goes up because you have more endurance on fat --
that's what the muscle wants to burn. The scientists know this but
they don't know how to make the manipulations required to make it
happen. VERY FEW PEOPLE HAVE WORKED ON THE LEVEL THAT DR ELLIS HAS.
VERY FEW SCIENTISTS KNOW ABOUT FAT ADAPTATION. DIPASQUILE, MCDONALD
WHATEVER HIS NAME AND FAIGIN DON'T KNOW ABOUT FAT ADAPATATION. THE
PEOPLE WHO WERE WORKING CLOSE TO ELLIS DO. YAH I KNOW DON;T BELEIVE
A PHD WELL I'VE TRIED IT WORKED IF IT DIDIN'T I WOULD'VE CALLED HIM
A JOKE. STEVE MAXWELL ONE OF THE TOP GRAPPLERS IN THE WORLD TRIED
IT TO AND IT WORKED. ELLIS REALIZED THAT KETONES PRODUCE ATP MUCH
MORE EFFICIENTLY THAN GLUCOSE AND FATTY ACIDS. RICHARD VEECH ONE OF
THE LEADING EXPERTS ON KETONES FIGURED THIS OUT TOO. I POSTED THIS
STUDY IN PAGE 2 I THINK?[/QUOTE] you have a very very small grasp
of metabolism based on only one physiologic situation... rest. You
have no idea how metabolism changes during activity
03-12-2005, 01:11 PM
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str8flexed
[QUOTE=belaglazov]Remember This Glycogen Isn't Needed In A Fat
Adapted Organism. If Youre Using Glycogen You're Not Fat Adapted.
Only One Wat To Try It And 2 Weeks Will Not Get You There. It's 2-6
Months From My Expericence And Steve Maxwell's Although You Feel
Much Better After 1 Month And Mentally You Will Be More
Alert.[/QUOTE] it's not is it? Shall i show you all the studies
that find that performance is proportional to the amount of
glycogen stored? Additionally FATS CANNOT BE USED DURING ANAEROBIC
EXERCISE ARE YOU LISTENING TO ME... take your head out of your
rear.
03-12-2005, 01:13 PM
belaglazov
Oh And There Are Plenty Of Scientis Disputing The Theory About
Heart Disease And Fat. Mary Enig Is One Of Them And So Is Ellis.
I'v Chekced My Blood Pressure And Lipids They're All Perfect. My
Pulse Is Around 55 And Blood Pressure 114/75. On Carbs It Was Close
To 127/80 And Pulse Is 80. But Hey I'm Just Talking From Experience
Not Theory. So You Can Beleive All You Want But Experience Will
Teach You Much More. When You Lose Body Fat Saturated Fat Pours
Into Your Blood. We Know Losing Weight Is Good For Us How So With
All That Saturated Fat In Our Blood? We Make Extremly Nice
Saturated Fat From The Carbs We Eat So Don't Fear It Eat Saturated
Fat And Plenty Of It. Even Dipasquile Beleives This But He' Still
Holding On To The Carb Load Issue. He Came Real Close But Dosen't
Know About Fat Adaptation.
03-12-2005, 01:14 PM
belaglazov
At Least Read What I Wrote First.
03-12-2005, 01:17 PM
belaglazov
No Meatter What I Tell You About Adaptation You'll Just Keep
Blabbing Studies Done On Athletes Consuming A **** Load Of Carbs.
Steve Maxwell Has His Own Gym In Philadelphia Maxerxicse And
Persnoally Witnesses Hundreds Of People Becoming Fat Adapted After
Dropping All Carbs For 1 Month.
03-12-2005, 01:18 PM
belaglazov
it's not is it? Shall i show you all the studies that find that
performance is proportional to the amount of glycogen stored?
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GO AHEAD SHOW ME OH AND HOW LONG WERE THE STUDIES DONE FOR? 2-6
MONTHS OR 2-3 WEEKS?
03-12-2005, 01:19 PM
belaglazov
Oh And People Eating Carbs So They Were Not Even Adapted To
Burning Fat. LISTEN I'M LIVING PROOF OF THIS SO IS STEVE MAXWELL
AND THE THOUSANDS OF CLIENTS HE ENCOUNTERS EVERYDAY.
03-12-2005, 01:21 PM
belaglazov
All those studies are done on people who have not had time to
adapt to burning fat. Ketosis is a moot point when it comes to the
fat adapted. It is a brief phenomenom that occurs when one first
adapts to burning fat and then it still isn't any big health issue.
Intramuscular triglycerides are the primary source of muscular
work, even in non-fat adapted trainees. Glucose supplies only about
15 % of the fuel for muscular work. Check any bio-chemistry text
book. Glucose is only a minor fuel and is used up fairly quickly.
Fat supplies glucose needs as well as protein.
03-12-2005, 01:23 PM
str8flexed
[QUOTE=belaglazov]No Meatter What I Tell You About Adaptation
You'll Just Keep Blabbing Studies Done On Athletes Consuming A ****
Load Of Carbs. Steve Maxwell Has His Own Gym In Philadelphia
Maxerxicse And Persnoally Witnesses Hundreds Of People Becoming Fat
Adapted After Dropping All Carbs For 1 Month.[/QUOTE] you are a
moron and i'm done arguing with you. you can rub people's faces in
**** and they'll still think it's chocolate cake if you market it
well enough
03-12-2005, 01:24 PM
belaglazov
Remember what ketosis is: it is a production of ketones bodies
because the rate of release of free fatty acids from fat tissue is
happening faster than they can be burned. They are toxic at high
levels, so the liver converts them into the less toxic ketones
which in turn stimulate the pancreas to release insulin which then
slows the rate of free fatty acid release. This is why ketones are
bad in diabetes because they cannot release insulin to shut down
the fat release. NOT IN NON DIABETICS. Fat adapted organisms burn
all of their ketones and there is nothing leftover to spill into
the urine.
03-12-2005, 01:45 PM
str8flexed
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[QUOTE=belaglazov]Remember what ketosis is: it is a production
of ketones bodies because the rate of release of free fatty acids
from fat tissue is happening faster than they can be burned. They
are toxic at high levels, so the liver converts them into the less
toxic ketones which in turn stimulate the pancreas to release
insulin which then slows the rate of free fatty acid release. This
is why ketones are bad in diabetes because they cannot release
insulin to shut down the fat release. NOT IN NON DIABETICS. Fat
adapted organisms burn all of their ketones and there is nothing
leftover to spill into the urine.[/QUOTE] that is true, ketones
aren't nessecarily bad for you in a low insulin environment... but
you still have yet to address the issues i have brought up. Why?
Because you don't know how to address them, you have only been
taught metabolism from one biased angle... wheras I have learned it
in a more holistic view.
03-12-2005, 02:10 PM
ironman1964bc
I tend to agree with most of what Ellis says. The problem is 99%
of us have lived our lives eating alot of carbs. To change over now
to fat adaption is a real bitch, at least for most of us. Some low
carb experts say that it may take up to 1 year for a person to be
completely fat adapted. Who the hell wants to have their workouts
suffer up to a year trying to get used to this way of eating. Most
bodybuilders look good and feel good already on a moderate carb
diet. They have no reason to change. For someone who is 30 lbs
overweight, than maybe the suffering will be worth it.
03-12-2005, 03:50 PM
badboyben
You forgot to answer my question from post 98. I have shown you
why a carb load is beneficial (and i can even list references), so
can you show me why it isnt??
12-31-2005, 03:45 PM
mark_uk
This is all very interesting belaglazov. Can u tell me what he
difference is between Atkins and Dr Ellis diet coz im getting
confused ? I take it that the difference being u count calories on
Eliss's and not on Atkins.