Prof. Krishna Boddu Prof. Krishna Boddu . . MBBS, MD, DNB, FANZCA, MMEd MBBS, MD, DNB, FANZCA, MMEd University of Texas Health Sciences at Houston, Texas, University of Texas Health Sciences at Houston, Texas, USA USA University of Western Australia, Perth, Australia University of Western Australia, Perth, Australia Director, Regional Anaesthesia, Royal Perth Hospital, Director, Regional Anaesthesia, Royal Perth Hospital, Perth, Australia Perth, Australia 1
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University of Texas Health Sciences at Houston, Texas, USAUniversity of Texas Health Sciences at Houston, Texas, USA
University of Western Australia, Perth, AustraliaUniversity of Western Australia, Perth, Australia
Director, Regional Anaesthesia, Royal Perth Hospital, Perth, AustraliaDirector, Regional Anaesthesia, Royal Perth Hospital, Perth, Australia
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1. Patient on Oral Pain medication – Now NPO2. Post-Op patient On IV meds. Now on regular
diet. 3. Regional (Epidural/ nerve blocks) to other
mode4. Drug interaction Eg. Started on Refampin5. Drug diversion
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Interventional IV, IM, Sub Q PO/ NG Tube Other
PAINPAIN ActivityActivityNPO StatusNPO Status ToleranceTolerance
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Details of all the Analgesics in useNames of the drugsRoutes of administrDose, Freq, 24h usePharmacodynami
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Information from Patient and Charts
Information from Text BooksBioavailability, Max dose, Equipotency & interactionsOnset, duration of action & peak effectWash in & wash out curves
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How long the patient is on these?Convert 24 hour dose to IV MSO4Equivalent
Opioids Non-OpioidsEstimated Opioid Equivalence available for someLocal Anesthetic based analgesia poses challenges
Scenario 1: For back pain, for several months patient is on-100mg of MSContin PO Q8h & -30mg MSIR Q 4h PRN (uses approx 90mg/day)-100mg Pregabalin Q8h for neuropathic pain
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How to transition to IV PCA? What are the steps?
390mg PO MSO4 in 24h (Actual) = 130mg IV MSO4 in 24h (Estimated)Per hour IV Morphine use= 5.41mg (Estimated)
Will pt be happy with 1mg dose with LOI 5 min?
(She could get 12mg/h = 288mg MSO4 IV in 24h)
NOMight be OK During the Day
For Sure She will have Disturbed Sleep
For Sure She will wake up with Severe Pain
WHY?
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You Convince Patient That The Amount of Medication Available For Her Is Way More Than She Was Taking At Home to Cover Her Pain.
Now, Patient Requests for Sleeping Pills.
Just because you are giving IV Pain Medication that too plenty available does not mean that you will be able to provide better pain control
1-2mg/h MSO4 IV basal on PCA would be better than introducing sleeping pills.
What About Pregabalin?
Scenario 2 (Surgeon’s request) : Post op pain pt on IV PCA Hydromorphone & history of heroin abuse ready for transition to PO pain meds. 24 hour consumption of HM is 30mg.
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How to transition to PO meds? What are the steps?
30mg IV Hydromorphone in 24h (Actual) = 150mg IV MSO4 in 24h (Estimated) (based on equi-potency)600mg PO MSO4 in 24h (Estimated) (based on BA)Will you be comfortable to give 600mg PO Morphine to a pt with history of drug abuse? NOWill you let the pt suffer?
What will be your concerns?
WHY?How to handle this situation?
We can not let patient suffer with pain irrespective of his social, racial, criminal backgrounds.
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Our main concern:How to transition IV to PO and wean off this patient from PO?Who will priscribe large opioid doses at the time of discharge? Follow the rules of managing opioid tolerant patient.
1. Optimize non-opioid analgesics + Tramadol
2. Start on alpha 2 agonists clonidine (PO/ TD)
3. NMDA modulators (Ketamine PO/ IV),
4. Lidoderm 5% patch
5. Oxycodone ER with Nalaxone PO 60mg Q8 + 5-10-15 mg Oxynorm PRN Q4h
Rationale for Oxycontin & Oxynorm doses
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150 mg IV MSO4= 180 mg Oxycodone
Give 60% as long acting60mg Q8h = 120mg 70mg Q8h = 210mg