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Jennifer McLean SHOW 2 | JUNE 2, 2011

www.healingwiththemasters.com DISSOLVING THE ILLUSION OF LACK Jennifer: Welcome, everyone, to Neale Donald Walsch’s telecast from Healing with the Masters. We

are delighted to have you all onboard and delighted to have Neale Donald Walsch giving us this remarkable, private class, coursework, curriculum on Conversations with God materials, and as we discovered from our first show, some wonderful and profound insights from his own life through many of the Conversations with God material applied. I have to say that that first show, it was so powerful to me. I was talking with one of the participants, Laura, beforehand, and we were sharing how it’s about not only parenting our own children, but it’s about parenting ourselves in a way, isn’t it?

Neale: Well, for sure, absolutely. There’s no question about that, and each of us has a little one inside

that still requires communication and parenting, in the sense of not allowing it to feel alone, not allowing our little one to feel somehow abandoned and unparented. So yes, absolutely. It’s about really taking care of ourselves in all of our formulations and all of our manifestations, including the part of us that really is still a little one, still back there at the age of seven or nine or ten, wanting really a lot to do it right, make it work and understand it all. There is a part of the psyche of all of us that’s still back there. Equally there’s a part of the psyche of all of us that’s way ahead of us, way, way, way in advance of us, that is really now holding the level of mastery.

So we really have this whole spectrum of understanding and awareness that exists within us,

the spectrum of our seven‐year‐old, even of our one‐year‐old and the spectrum of our, if you will, thousand‐year‐old that knows it all. All of that consciousness lies within us, and you’re absolutely right. When we fail to parent that part of us that’s back there still in that nine‐, ten‐year‐old stage, I think that we abandon a part of us that does not want to be abandoned, that little boy, little girl in us that comes out at times in playful ways, in childish was, in joyful way and in various bad ways.

Jennifer: Yeah, so those moments like I was expressing, that moment of envy that I experienced

yesterday. I was like, “Wow, I can now allow that aspect of my being to experience envy in this moment.”

Neale: That’s so wonderful, yeah. You know what? It heals it. As soon as you allow yourself to

experience it, in fact, it heals. Whatever part of that envy might have turned into jealousy immediately gets healed, because the expression of repressed emotion or emotion that one might repress under other circumstances, the expression of that is just that. It’s an expression. That is, it’s a pushing out, and when we push that energy out, it no longer resides within us. It can’t fester. It can’t lie there. It can’t get more than what it was. It’s just a passing moment of



envy, which is a wonderful motivator. I mean, envy is what makes us think, “You know what? I can do that.”

I had a time like that. Twice in my life I can remember really having experience with that. I

was associated with, for about a year and a half — actually more than that, about three years when I think about it — a wonderful teacher named Terry Cole‐Whittaker.

Jennifer: Yes, of course. I had some great teachings with her too. She’s a kick. Neale: Fantastic teacher, fantastic teacher and really changed my life, but I remember watching Terry

— by the way, Terry and I became very close friends — watching her from a distance, up on that stage, prancing around, doing her thing, saying what she was saying. I can remember thinking, “I can do that. I can do that.” And so she motivated me, but I never was really jealous of her. I did have envy, and that envy pushed me into writing my own book and doing my own thing on the planet.

Jennifer: I have to share this one thing. One thing she said to me, she said, “I can guarantee you one

thing, one thing, absolutely guarantee you. You will be judged, so get over it.” So Terry. Neale: Yeah, exactly. I can hear her saying that. God bless her. I love her to pieces. Jennifer: She’s a wonderful person. So Neale, tonight’s topic is Dissolving the Illusion of Lack. I know

it’s something I face every day, and I know so many people that are on this call, we face moments of lack. Some of us face days and weeks and months and years of lack. I’d love to hear your perspective and the Conversations with God material perspective is on Dissolving the Illusion of Lack.

Neale: This is going to be a long conversation. First of all, there’s no such thing as lack. Jennifer: That was a short conversation. Neale: Yes, it was. Thank you very much and good night. Jennifer: Good night. Neale: Except perhaps lack of details. Jennifer: Okay, maybe a few details would help. Neale: Yeah. In the book, Communion with God, I was told that there were ten illusions, what God

called the ten illusions of humans. God was kind of being lighthearted with me, and she said at one point, “The problem isn’t that you are ignoring the Ten Commandments. The real problem is that you are all living the ten illusions.” I said, “Well, that’s interesting. What are the ten illusions?” Then God gave me that list. I’m not going to go through them all now, because it would really lengthen this program, but the first two or three are important.

The first illusion of humans is need, the idea that need exists. The idea is understandable, how

it got there, because when we first moved into full human consciousness, in the very, very,


very early days of our species development, it did in fact appear as if there were things that we needed in order to stay alive. In fact there were things that we needed in order to stay alive in the physical sense of staying alive or in the limited understanding of staying alive. What God made clear to me in Communion with God was, first of all, you can’t not stay alive. You’re always alive. You cannot not be alive, but you cannot be in this present physical form in this present thing you call here and now, this present moment that you call now. That’s possible, but it is not possible not to exist in the moment of now, and it is not possible not to be alive. It’s impossible. You’re always alive. Life is eternal. Death does not exist.

So can we agree on that? I said, “Okay, God. Let’s say, hypothetically, that I agree on that.”

God said, “Great. So if you agree on that, that you’ll always be alive in one form or another, what then would you lack? What then would you need?” “I see.” “You need things in order to stay in your present form and to experience what you consider and what you call happiness, joy and harmony in this present form. But I tell you that when you get to what humans refer to as the other side, that is, when you do the thing that humans call die, when you leave your physical body in this particular form, you will come to know that you never needed anything and that you don’t need anything now that you are no longer in that form, that you only imagined that you needed those things in order to maintain yourself in a particular expression of life.”

Now, the irony of this is that when we get that we don’t actually need anything to stay alive in

the cosmic sense or in the universal sense or in the spiritual sense, if you please, when we are clear that we do not really need anything to stay alive in that sense, nor to be happy in that sense, it causes us to move through this particular life, this particular physical life with a complete lack of fear. That is we no longer fear death. Elizabeth Kubler‐Ross, a wonderful teacher of mine, with whom I worked on her staff, used to say all fear is a fear of death. Once we no longer fear death, we no longer fear life.

So what God was saying to me is supposing you really didn’t need anything — by the way, God

said, “Let’s bring it down to human terms. Let’s get out of the cosmic sky for a moment and bring it down to human terms. What do you think, in human terms, you need to be happy? What physical things do you need to be happy?” Then we had a very frank and open conversation about that. I realized that 90 percent — I’m going to use a higher number — 95 percent of the things I thought I needed in life to be happy, I didn’t need to be happy, because happiness in the end was not associated with any of those things. That is, my ability to be happy was not directly associated with the having of any of those things. I really got real clear about that, that I could be happy without all the things I thought I needed to be happy.

After a long conversation with God about this, that was very frank and very open, we finally

whittled it down to food, shelter and clothing, life’s basic necessities. I didn’t need a particular car, didn’t need a particular house. There’s no reason to get into this. This is very shallow stuff, and all of us know that. But I did feel I needed at least to eat. I need to have some form of shelter. I need food, clothing and shelter, the three basic necessities of life. God said, “You don’t really need those. You don’t need clothing. You can walk around naked if you want to. Somebody else told you it was not okay to do that, but in the beginning, everyone did that, and it was delightful.” “Okay,” I said, “Fair enough, but I certainly need shelter.” “You don’t need shelter. In fact, kids run out in the snow. They can’t wait for the rain. They jump in the puddles.


You may think you need shelter from tornadoes and hurricanes and the worst of the weather,

but even if you didn’t have shelter, the worst that could happen to you is that you’d do the thing called die. You wouldn’t die. You would simply change form, and we’ve already had that conversation.” I said, “Okay, then I would need to eat.” God said, “No. Actually there are Breatharians. Do you know on the planet there are people called Breatharians, who actually eat virtually nothing and claim to have eaten nothing for years?” I said, “Yeah. Well, that’s being made up. That isn’t real.” God said, “Don’t be so sure. Don’t be so sure. But supposing you even narrowed it down just to that.” God said, “I’ll give you that. I’ll give you that one. You need food, clothing and shelter. What above that do you need?” Then I realized I was making it all up. I was making all the rest of it up.

Now, the irony of this is — and here’s the grand irony. Once I got clear that I didn’t need any

of those things, that I didn’t really lack anything that I thought I required in order to be happy, I so let go, so let go of my intense striving to obtain those things that they fell on me without effort. I swear to you that all the things I thought I needed to be happy fell in on me, crashed in on me the moment that I let go of my deep striving and my earnestness to try to pull those things into my life, whether it was the right life partner or the right kind of occupation or whatever I thought it was — the best place to live, the perfect this or the perfect that, whatever it was, either moment to moment or in the long range of my life, either one. Whatever it was I thought I needed to be happy, as soon as I realized I could be totally and completely happy without it, I let go of all the energies that were really blocking it from coming in because I was striving so hard to do it.

Let me tell you a story from my life. In 1976, I had a chance to go on a government contract

with the National Aeronautics and Space Administration to Africa, to many places throughout Africa. I was working on a contract with NASA and with the State Department to become a facilitator in the process by which we brought space‐aged technologies to developing nations around the world. There I was. It was my first trip to any place as exotic as Ouagadougou or other places in Central and Southwest Africa. I learned a lot on that trip. I went back several times, by the way. It was a world tour that went on for months, and I learned so much on that trip.

Here is one experience that I will never forget. I was invited by a family in Ouagadougou to go

to their home for dinner. I was excited. “I’d love to.” They promised to provide a native African, regular, cultural meal. Okay, so off I went. There was a little rumbling taxi that I took up to what they said was their place. I gave the address, and this taxi went along these dirt roads and bumped along till I got to this little place in an open field. Their house was really kind of a mud — I don't know how to describe it — hard, caked, dried mud structure. It had no windows but just holes in the side to let air in but no windows, no screens, no glass.

Inside they had apparently some kind of a generator outside that generated just enough

electricity for a light bulb here and there. I mean literally a bare bulb hanging from the ceiling, and I mean literally that, and a little outlet in the bulb container that you could plug — they would plug one or two things in at a time. You couldn’t do more than that, but they’d plug in maybe an iron and then unplug it. They’d plug in a radio and unplug it. That’s how limited their electricity was, but they had a little bit there. There were about five or six rooms in this adobe or mud structure, in which lived probably 20 or 22 people. The whole family and


extended family lived in — that was their shelter. “I need food, clothing and shelter,” I said to God. That was their shelter in this open field.

Now, at first I walked in there, and I thought — I’ve got to confess. My experience was, “Oh

my, how sad. Wow, such poverty. Oh my, oh my, oh my.” But I went in and put on a happy face and told them how happy I was to be there and thank you for inviting me. I felt horrible sitting down and taking food from them. I just thought, “What am I doing? I should be bringing food to these people, not eating it.” But no, they put out this wonderful spread on a wooden table. We all sat down, all 25 of us, and I was the honored guest, and they put out this wonderful spread of veggies and food and stuff you couldn’t believe.

I saw, in that evening that I spent with them, 22 or 23 of the happiest people I ever met or

came to know in my life. They were so happy. They were laughing and giggling and joyous. They went outside. You couldn’t hang out inside. There wasn’t enough room. They went out. We ate outside, by the way, under a tarp, but we ate outside. That’s where the table was, and of course we’re talking about Africa, so it’s never very cold there. So weather is not a problem generally, and if it was raining, the tarp covered them from the rain. But out we went. The mosquitoes in Africa, you need to know, are as big as horses. There’s very, very large mosquitoes, and they’re all over the place. These people, “That’s it. That’s it. That’s part of life.” And they would play. The kids would play, and they would dance. They would put on some music. They danced, and they sang. They told stories of old‐timers and whatever. I had this wonderful night, and the taxicab came. He was on a time call. By the way, they had no phone. It was not about calling a cab. Telephone? No, no, no, no, no. Excuse me. Washing machine, dishwasher, dryer? Excuse me. Vacuum cleaner? I don’t think so.

But I had a time call. I had arranged for the taxi to come back and pick me up around 10:00 or

10:30. Sure enough, he came out there and beeped the horn. I said goodbye to my guests. I did not want to leave. I got in the car, and I thought, “What is it that I don’t understand about life, the understanding of which would change everything? What is it that I don’t get about the source of real happiness?” I thought it was about telephones and vacuum cleaners and dishwashers. I know that sounds incredibly naïve and childish and all the rest, but man, I got back to my hotel in the town of Ouagadougou, which was not what you’d call a four‐star hotel in any event. I remember wanting to make a call to the United States. It took six hours to get a line. I mean, you didn’t pick up the phone and make a call. You picked up the phone and asked the operator, “Could I have an outgoing line to the United States, long distance?” “Yes, sir. We’ll call you back when one is available.” They call you back within five, six, seven hours. You’ve got to stay in your room if you want to make the call.

So you sit there and read a book or whatever you do, and then ultimately the phone rings.

“Your line is available.” You make the call, and they ask you to be on the phone no longer than 25 minutes for a long distance call so that other people can get one of the very few lines available. Get now that I am this American, what they used to call in the old days the ugly American, who is used to tapping the phone incessantly, because I couldn’t get what I wanted to get within ten seconds or less.

When I flew back to the United States from that wonderful journey I had — and it was not just

one day. I was there three months in Central West Africa — believe me, that was a liberal education. I began to understand why we are called ugly Americans, and I began to


understand what true happiness is and how misguided I was and what life was really all about and what lack was really all about.

You need to understand something here. Five percent of the world’s people hold over 50

percent of the world’s wealth and resources, and you and I and probably most of the people on this program, listening to us now, are in that 5 percent. We hold 50 percent of the world’s wealth and resources, and we want to talk on this program about lack? I don’t think we have the first understanding of how life is being lived by 95 percent of the world’s people or, for that matter, the purpose and the function of life itself, nor do we have even the childish understanding of the true source of happiness and wisdom and insight and bliss and nirvana. But how could we? We have not been informed by our culture about who we really are, why we really are here. What is this place called the Earth, and what is the ultimate purpose of life itself?

I discovered that once I got in touch with those eternal truths, the ephemeral stuff: the car in

the driveway, the house I live in, even, for that matter, the perfect partner that I have and the all the occupational opportunities and the challenges, none of that has any bearing on my ability to find perfect joy, perfect peace, perfect happiness in this moment right here and right now. When I find that happiness and that perfect joy in this moment right here, right now, I have cleared my energy field such that all, I repeat, all the stuff I thought I needed to strive to get begins to fall in on me, so much that I almost don’t want anymore, so much that I almost say, “Enough, enough, enough.” It’s not actually distracting me from what it is I really came here, I mean to the Earth, to do.

God will help us if we get distracted by our things from what we really came to the Earth to do.

When was the last time we spent 60 seconds — I didn’t say 60 minutes. I said 60 seconds — simply looking into the eyes of our beloved? Dare you to do it. Dare you to do it. Dare you to just take 60 seconds — bet you can’t do it — and look into the eyes of your beloved other without looking away, without touching and without saying a word. Just look into those eyes, and when those 60 seconds are up — if you can even get past 20 seconds — when those 60 seconds are up and you have not looked away, nor have you spoken or touched anyone, just sat there at that level of communion with your beloved other, when those 60 seconds are up, you tell me what you lack in order to be happy.

Jennifer: I’m just kind of allowing that to sit. I’m imagining that moment of 60 seconds with my

beloved, and it’s not just my intimate partner. It could be the people I adore in my life. Neale: It could even be yourself in the mirror. Jennifer: Oh, wow. There’s one. Yeah, there’s one. So Neale, that story was so poignant. There you

are, in a hut in Africa, seeing the happiest people that you’ve ever met, and they have nothing. I know you don’t mean this, but we don’t have to have nothing in order to experience that, right?

Neale: Of course not. By the way, they didn’t have nothing. They had everything. Jennifer: Exactly. Thank you for qualifying that.


Neale: But no, we don’t have to somehow relinquish or release ourselves from all of our physical possessions and all of our finery and all of our modern technologies and conveniences. That isn’t the point, but the point is not to get so caught up in the having of them, so lost in the striving for them that we truly do forget what life is all about. My beloved other, my wonderful wife Ann turned to me just the other day and said, “You know, I want to make a comment to you on the quality of our relationship.” I said, “Oh, sweetheart, that’s wonderful. What do you want to say?” She looked at me and said, “I could live with you in a tent.” Whoa. I got it. I got it. By the way, you’re talking to a guy who did live in a tent.

Jennifer: Yeah, for almost a year, right? Neale: Yes, two weeks shy of a year, in a homeless camp, where all I had was two pair of jeans, three

shirts, one pair of shoes. Fortunately I did manage to get a Coleman stove. I got one from a source that didn’t cost me any money, so I could do a little cooking on my little camping Coleman stove. I had a couple of food pots and pans, not a lot. I was a street person or one of these homeless park persons. That’s how I lived for a year of my life. I could tell you — by the way, that was after I came back from Africa, almost as if the world said, “Let’s just turn the whole thing — you think you were impressed by that? You think you learned something from that? Let’s see what you learned, Neale.”

Jennifer: Let’s see. Neale: And I learned the second time around, when I was there, living under a tent, through snow,

through rain — this was not in a temperate climate. This was in a snowy, rainy place of the world, where winter is winter and where I used to get newspapers out of the trashcan and put them under my tent to create a lining between me and the ground, to create softness and warmth, whatever warmth one could get, sleeping in a sleeping bag, where your nose is so cold you’re wondering, “What am I doing out here? What in the world is this?” And thinking to yourself, “I could be living like this for the rest of my life.” Wow. Maybe I need to look for another source of happiness, other than things that I thought that I needed.

So my life has been a liberal education. I’m not talking here out of theory. I’m coming from

experience. How do I put this? Now I have it all. Now I have the big house on the hill, the big car. The big car, I drive a Prius, but I still have a lovely car outside, lovely home on a hill, the perfect mate, a wonderful family of nine children and financial freedom. I have all of that, and it has nothing to do with my happiness.

You know where my joy comes from? This right here, this, this moment, this sharing. This is

where my bliss is. This is where my joy is. People around me say, “You work so much. You’re always outpouring. If you’re not on an interview with somebody, you’re writing a book. If you’re not writing a book, you’re doing a blog. If you’re not doing a blog, you’re doing a magazine interview, a magazine article. If you’re not doing that, you’re presenting a workshop. You’re always working. How do you work so much?” I said, “You call this work? This is what you call work? Wow.”

Jennifer: I feel the same way. My God. I’m hanging out here, looking at the most beautiful view of

Sedona with one of my mentors who changed my life, you, Neale, who has been such an


important catalyst, and with a group of beautiful individuals of bright light that are here to share the journey with us. I mean, this very moment is a moment of abundance. Is that true?

Neale: Yes, every moment is a moment of abundance. I used to live in Sedona. I have a house in

Sedona. Where in Sedona, what part of the city? Jennifer: I’m off of 89, off Dry Creek, on the way to Boynton Canyon. Neale: Yeah, I know exactly where that is. It’s a wonderful area, but who cares? We’re talking now

between us. We shouldn’t be doing that here. Jennifer: But it’s part of the energy of what we’re talking about. Is it not? Neale: Yeah. Everybody should spend at least one day in Sedona before they die. Jennifer: Without a doubt. I get to spend more than one day here. Neale: So to illuminate the experience of lack, getting back to what Communion with God said, you

imagine that need exists. Supposing you didn’t need anything — that doesn’t mean you don’t prefer, but how about you change the word need to the word prefer. Would that shift the energy around which you are holding your life experience? I would prefer to have this. I would prefer to have a dishwasher. I would prefer to have a vacuum cleaner. I would prefer to have enough food to eat every day of my life, but do I need it? Then the answer turns out to be no.

So when needs are changed to preferences — there was a wonderful book, by the way, on this

topic, written by — I’ll think of his name in a minute. The book talked about changing addictions to preferences. It was written by Ken Keyes Jr. Ken wrote that you can tell you’re addicted to something when the absence of it causes you to lose your happiness. You can tell when you’re addicted to something rather than when you simply prefer it. You’re absolutely addicted to something when the absence of the loss of it causes you to abandon your happiness. Interesting point of view. When I learned that from Ken and from his wonderful writing — the book was called Handbook to Higher Consciousness, marvelous book.

Jennifer: I think he wrote The Starseed Transmission too, did he not, or was that somebody else? Neale: No. I think that was a different person. A Handbook to Higher Consciousness, by Ken Keyes Jr.

— if he did the other one, I’m not sure, but I know he did this one. Ken has now celebrated his continuation day, but the book lives on. It’s an extraordinary, extraordinary document that talks about shifting addictions to preferences.

Now, when we get that we don’t really need anything — if I can get people who are listening

to us now to buy into my argument — “Okay, Neale, I’ll give you that, by your definition, we don’t really need a whole lot. I mean, we don’t really require it in order to stay alive. Fair enough. It’s reduced to food, clothing and shelter, but what about if we prefer these things? How do we not feel lack when we don’t have these things that make us happy, and even more importantly, how do we produce these things in our lives so that we don’t have to experience lack, even if the lack is imagined? How could we imagine abundance rather than lack if we’re


going to imagine something?” All fair questions, and I’ve been asked all of those questions, as you can imagine, at my retreats and my workshops.

So I begin with people by telling them this. First, we take the step that I described in the last

20 minutes. We decide in fact, as an actual fact, not as a theory, not as a concept but as a fact, that we don’t need, that is we don’t require anything in particular in order to be happy. Then we move into gratitude for all the things we do have. Gratitude is the attitude, and it is the energy that causes us to experience and to realize all that we do have right here, right now and, in fact, to realize that we have enough.

By the way, I always say to my classes and to my retreat participants, all of you in the room

have enough, and you’ve always had enough. There’s a lot of groaning in the room. “That’s not exactly true.” “Of course it is. You want proof? I can give you proof that you’ve always had enough, that you have enough right now.” “What’s the proof?” “You’re here. Here you are. You’re sitting here in front of me. If you didn’t have enough, if you hadn’t always had enough, it would be impossible for you to be here. Notice that you are here. Therefore, notice that you have always experienced sufficiency.” “Well, I want to experience more sufficiency if that’s how you’re talking. You didn’t have sufficiency when you were in the tent in the campground.” “Oh, yes, I did. Yes, I did. I just didn’t know it, but obviously I did, because I’m still here.”

I simply didn’t know it, because I called sufficiency something else. But I had sufficiency, and it

was when I realized that I always had sufficiency, that I’d always had enough — that’s when I realized, like my father used to say to me when I was a kid, “Neale, enough is enough.” I never quite understood that, but now I understand it. When I realized that I’d always had enough and when I did in fact let go of striving for more, then I was able to take that stuff I told you about a minute ago, shift the energy around that striving and allow more to come to me effortlessly. But I also learned something else. The way to produce more is to give more. That is, I was given a great secret in Conversations with God. That which you wish to experience, that which you wish to have in your life, give to another. I said to God, “How can I give to another if I don’t have it? I hate to be a pain here in the neck, God, but how can I give to another what I don’t have?” God said, “Neale, you always have a little bit. Even when you had no money, you had at least a quarter. You had at least a dime. Tell me you didn’t, and I’ll tell you you’re lying.” “Okay,” I said to God, “Okay, I had a quarter.”

Great. So whatever little you think you have of whatever it is you think you want, you always

have some of it. Go out and find someone who has even less and give half of what you have to those who have even less. In the moment that you give half of what you have to those who have even less, in that moment, you will create an extraordinary experience internally, a psychological experience if you please, a spiritual experience if you will, as well as a physical experience. You will experience having‐ness as opposed to lacking‐ness. When you experience having‐ness, you will begin to duplicate that experience and to replicate it, because your life is a Xerox machine. It replicates the experience that you claim and embrace.

If you claim and embrace the experience of lack, you will experience more lack. There’s no

question about it. If you claim and experience having‐ness, you will create more having‐ness. There’s no question about it. Even, therefore, if you have little or what you call nothing, down


to your last quarter, find someone who’s down to their last penny and give them a dime of your last quarter. By the way, you will be amazed at what that dime will feel like to them.

Then you’ll learn that what you give, you truly receive, particularly if you don’t do it just once.

“Okay, I’ll do it once tomorrow just to see if it works.” Make it a lifestyle. When it becomes a lifestyle, in relative short order, maybe not in hours or days but relatively quickly, you begin to see, in fact, all the great masters of all the world’s religions were right. That which you give, you do receive, folded over seven times. In fact, the ancient wisdoms are true, and the extraordinary injunction, “Do unto others as you would have it done unto you,” turns out to be not a moral platitude but, in fact, a description of the mechanics of life. That is, it’s the mechanical directions. It’s the instructions that come in the box. It’s not about, “Oh, wouldn’t it be nice if we just did unto others? All good people do that.” No, no, no, no, no. This is practical metaphysics. These are the practical mechanics of life. This is how life works. Life works this way.

The New Agers used to say, “What goes around comes around.” I realized, “Wow, all I need to

do to experience happiness is to cause someone else to experience having what it is that I think I don’t have enough of.” By giving it away, I experienced that I had enough of it, because guess what. I gave half of it away, and I’m still here. I must have enough of it. By granting myself the experience of sufficiency, I grow the experience of sufficiency, and by the way, be careful, because it’s exponential. It’s not a 1, 2, 3, 4 ratio. It’s a 2, 4, 8, 16, 32 ratio. It expands very quickly, and you’ll surprise yourself.

Jennifer: I’ve had that experience personally, and it was almost shocking, how fast it grew. I love this

notion that by giving, you actually feel you have. Neale: It’s the felt experience. It’s the actual felt experience. It’s not a concept anymore. It’s not a

theory. It’s the actual felt experience. Jennifer: I remember hearing you talk once about Habitat for Humanity. You were answering a

question in the audience that I was in with you, and the woman said, “I really need a new house. I’m not in a good situation.” I think I heard you say, “Work for Habitat for Humanity. Give someone else a house.” Is that the same idea?

Neale: Precisely. Be the source of a house in the life of another. That’s a true story of a lady that

actually did that. She and her husband had lived in an apartment for years, and she felt that they deserved more at this point in their lives. They were in their late 40s. They had put in 20 years of work, since their early 20s, and she said, “Really, I don’t want much. I don’t ask much, but by this time, I’d like to at least have a house of my own to live in. I’m really tired of just the two‐bedroom apartment that we’re in. It’s lovely. It’s a nice place, but gosh, when do I —” I said, “Sweetheart, do you think there are any other people right here in this city who have no place at all to live, not even an apartment?” “Yeah, I know. I know.” “Go to work for Habitat for Humanity. Provide for others what it is that you want for yourself.”

She did. She did that. She and her husband went out, and they found a project, a Habitat

project. They in fact went out there with their hammer, and they pounded the nails and worked with 35 other people and put up a house for somebody.


Within three months she got a call from her Uncle Oscar, as I recall, a very rich uncle, who said, “I need a favor from you guys. It’s a big favor. I don't know how to handle this. I’ve been offered an extraordinary chance to move to Brussels and handle some kind of world fund of” this, that or the other, whatever the big deal was. He said, “I’ve got to get out of here. Somebody, God bless them, passed on, and they need a replacement quickly, like in the next two weeks if I can do it. I’ve got to get out of here. We’re putting all of our stuff in storage. We’re going to leave just the bare bones furniture. Could you babysit our house? Could you just hold it? We can’t possibly sell it that fast. My wife thought maybe you guys would be able to help us out and just kind of take over the house. I’ll be there in Brussels for at least a year, maybe 18 months. Would you be willing to do that for us and move in and just be caretakers in that sense?

By the way, if the thing becomes permanent, if the position becomes permanent, we would be

happy to just finance the thing and sell you the house at family rates. We’ll make sure you can afford it, because we’re not in a position where we have to worry about stuff like that.” She couldn’t believe her ears. “What are you saying to me?” “I’m saying that I’d like you to move into the house. If we stay there in Brussels, we’ll wind up selling it to you. We’ll give it to you for a really good rate, and don’t worry. We’ll carry the mortgage for you.” She’s like, “Oh, my God. This is impossible.” She called me back to tell me this. She said, “I have to tell you what happened here.”

That’s a true story, and I’m not going to say it always turns out that dramatically. But it turns

out that way enough that I’ve come to see in my own life what I give to others, I give to myself, and what I fail to give to others, I fail to give to myself for a very profound reason. There’s only one of us in the room.

Jennifer: There’s only one of us in the room. Neale: See, there’s nobody else but me in varying, different forms. So of course what I give to

somebody else, I give to myself. Of course what goes around comes around. Where else can it go? By the way, this works not just in material things. It’s not just about cutting the quarter in half and giving somebody a dime. It’s not just about sharing your food with the homeless or whatever it might be. It is about that, but it’s not just about that. It’s everything, compassion, love, companionship.

I had a person come to me about a year and a half or two ago. She said, “I want a companion.

I have not had a companion in my life for seven years. I just want a companion. Why is it so hard for me to find someone?” I said, “Wow. Stop trying to find a companion, and start being a companion.” She said, “To who?” I said, “To who? My dear, the world is full of people who need companionship. Oh, my God. Go to the nearest senior citizen center. It’s a start. Oh, my God. Walk down the street, for heaven’s sake.” Oh, my goodness. She said, “Well, that’s not the kind of companionship I’m talking about.” I said, “Oh, but it is, my dear. It is, because as soon as you become a companion to others — supposing you made it your job to provide companionship to everybody who you met, thought or heard of, who you imagined was even a little bit lonely.

How many months do you think it would take for the world to get the notion, for people

around you to begin to hear, ‘This is an extraordinary human being we’re talking about here.’”


I said to her, “Dorothy, I promise you. They’ll come flocking to you. You will turn yourself into a magnet. You won’t know what to do with the people of every sex, shape and size who come to you to spend time with you, so glorious will the light of you shine. And so it has been said, ‘And so let your light so shine before men that they will see who you really are and know who they really are by the light of your example.’”

Jennifer: It’s so beautiful, the love and companionship and compassion, that just holding that even as an

intention can create what you’re talking about. Is that true? Neale: Yes, absolutely. That’s profoundly true. Life proceeds out of your intentions for it, but you

can’t come from need. You can’t even manipulate the universe by saying, “Okay, Neale, I’ve got the picture. I’m going to do this. I’m going to do this so that this comes back to me.” Because if you’re doing it for that reason, then you’re as much as affirming that you do not now have what it is you’re seeking, and you will push it away from you by that affirmation. You can’t manipulate the universe. The universe says, “No, no, no, no, no. That’s not how it works.” If you do it for that reason, you’re just cementing your lack, because you’re declaring your lack by doing it for that reason. You don’t give to another because you don’t have. You give to another as a demonstration that you have it already.

Jennifer: That’s a really important distinction. You have it already. That’s why you’re giving. Neale: And very few New Age teachers talk in those terms. Jennifer: It’s such an important distinction. So those folks that are kind of in a do or die situation right

now, who are feeling really crunched by their life — their house is being foreclosed on and so on — how do we move into that mindset? That might not be the right word. Does it start maybe with a little experimentation of I’m going to try this? How do we throw ourselves into this in a way that creates that place of allowing?

Neale: There are multiple antidotes to the problem that you bring up. First, if I were losing my house

to a mortgage foreclosure, to use one example, the first thing I would do is get on my knees and say a prayer of gratitude. “Thank you, God, for helping me understand that this problem has already been solved for me. Thank you, God, for helping me to understand that I am not my house, that I am not my car, that I’m not even my body. Thank you, God, for causing life to create the perfect, right and exact circumstances I need to redefine myself and to know who I really am. There was a time in my life when I did not have this house, and I was perfectly fine. Now I feel, because I’m no longer going to have it again, that I can’t be perfectly fine again.”

“Oh, but Neale, you don’t understand. I’ve lost so much. I’ve lost so much.” No, no, no, no,

no. You’ve really lost what you thought you were, and maybe, just maybe the metaphysical purpose of that loss was for you to reclaim not what you were but who you really are. So we let go. We let go, and we let God. We say, “Dear God, if in fact — dear universe, dear life, if in fact losing this house or losing this job or no longer having this man or the other, whatever it is, if in fact this loss is what will bring me my greatest gain, a movement back into who I really am and why I’m really here, if in fact I wind up living with my beloved in a tent, if that’s in fact what occurs, thank you, God. Thank you, God, for the opportunity for me to get back to the real function and purpose that I have in this life and my true identity. For all these years, I’ve been living a case of mistaken identity, and now it’s time to let go and let God.”


Of course that takes enormous faith that everything’s going to turn out all right, and that

depends on how we define all right. I need to tell you this is a difficult conversation for me to have and sound realistic to people, because you’re talking to a person who’s lived that nightmare. I actually lived on the street for lack of a place to be for a year of my life. So when people bring me those kinds of problems, I go, “Uh‐huh. Uh‐huh, yeah, and —” They go, “No, you don’t understand. You don’t understand. I may not have a house by next week.” “Uh‐huh. Go ahead, and what else?” “Neale, you’re not listening to me.” “No, no. I’m listening to you. I hear you. Is there anything else that’s bothering you? What else? What’s the problem?” “The problem is I may not have a house next week.” “Uh‐huh. I understand. Been there, done that. Next.”

When you’ve had that level of clarity through your actual life experience, it shifts your reality

forever. So what would I say to a person — and I’ve had people come to me with problems like that. I’ve had people come to me and tell me they’re going to lose their home, or they’ve just lost, God help us, a loved one through death, or they’ve just lost their job, or they’re suffering some other kind of experience of lack. I say to them, “I’m not going to try to make light of your experience. I’m not going to marginalize it or try to minimize it or try to pretend that it’s not there or that you’re not feeling what you’re feeling. It’s there, and you are feeling what you’re feeling. But can we go to a different level of understanding of what’s going on that drives to the question of who you are and why you’re here and what life is truly all about? Can we get to a place where you explore the level of your soul, the whole purpose of life itself?

When people do that with me, they begin to transcend their particular, in‐the‐moment

physical experience. They begin to look at it a new way. They change their perspective, and when you change your perspective, you change your perception, because your perception, that is what you see, depends on where you’re standing, what hill you’re on. When you change your perception, you change your belief, because seeing is believing. When you change your belief, you change your behavior, because all behaviors spring from your beliefs. When you change your behavior, you change your experience. So then, a change of perspective is not a small thing. Not a small thing.

Jennifer: Gosh, I am so moved I can hardly talk. Wow. What you said, which is you lost what you

thought you were, is just such a wonderful and profound perspective, as you’re saying. That perspective can change your life. Anyway, I have to compose myself here. One of our participants talked about the illusion of lack, and I wanted to read what she said. It’s more or less what you shared, but it’s just an example of where many folks are at. Maybe there’s another angle or perception we can give them.

She said, “Despite my best efforts, my habitual thoughts center on the state of lack or the

inevitability of certain outcomes, such as I’m 63, and patterns are set. I’ll never own my home. I cannot really be prosperous. I have short‐term memory problems, so I probably won’t escape some kind of dementia. It’s too late for me to become physically strong. It doesn’t help that I don’t exercise. In a nutshell, there doesn’t seem to be a likelihood that I’ll ever live a fully‐engaged, vibrate, thriving life.” The reason I’m bringing this up is because I get literally hundreds of emails like this every day. I would love to hear what you would have to say to this individual.


Neale: I wish I had that person in front of me at one of my retreats or in a person, private, spiritual mentoring session. I would say to them, “That’s true. What if all those things were true? What if you never will own your own home? You’re 63. You don’t have it yet. What if you never will have your own home? What if I said that’s true? What if all the things that you mentioned were true? Let’s play a game called So What, because clearly you don’t understand who you are and what the real purpose of life is. If you did understand why you’re here on the Earth and who you are, you would very quickly become clear on how irrelevant 99 percent of what you’ve just said is.

By the way, you will reach that clarity at the moment of your death. If you’re conscious and

have your faculties totally working — and some people do at the moment of their death — just before the moment of your death, you will become very clear that everything you’ve just written in that email is totally irrelevant. It will not matter to you at the moment of your death whether you ever owned a house or not or any of the other things that you mentioned in your email. So my dear, if you want to live a rich and full life, and by the way, living a rich and full life can be accomplished in the last 30 seconds of your life.”

This is also something that I would say to her, that comes directly out of Home With God In a

Life That Never Ends. God said to me, “Neale, if you don’t get any of this, if you don’t capture or embrace any of this until the last 30 seconds of your life, but if you do in its fullness in the last 30 seconds of your life, you will have lived life completely. The look on your face to all those in the room will tell them that, and your heart will be filled with completeness and completion, in addition to a deep awareness that all that happened to that last 30 seconds, that all that occurred until that last half minute was, in fact, perfect and required for you to get to that last 30 seconds and come to that awareness.

You will then look at the totality of your life, and you will say, “Oh, my, the perfection. Oh, my.

God, thank you. Thank you for all of it, including that of it, which I denounced. Thank you for all of it, including that of it, which I called not okay. Thank you for all of it, including that of it, which I did not fully understand. I understand now in these last 30 seconds of my life. Oh, my. My, what a ride. Can I come back?”

Jennifer: Can I come back? Neale: But sometimes we’re lucky enough to realize that and to experience that before the last 30

seconds. I would say to that wonderful 63‐year‐old lady, oh, my goodness. Oh, my goodness. Like Auntie Mame said to Patrick Dennis, “Take my hand. Take my hand, sweetheart. I’m going to show you worlds that you never even dreamed existed.” It has nothing to do with owning your house.

Jennifer: So what is the So What game? Neale: Well, it’s a very powerful little process that I work with people on in my retreats and seminars,

when I ask them to follow the line of logic. What would happen if you never did have a house? What would happen then? So what? I mean, so what? What do you imagine would happen? What would happen if you had short‐term memory loss and could never live a rich, full life? What would happen then? You keep on asking the question so what with every answer they give you, until they finally get down to a level of clarity that none of it really mattered, in terms


of the real reason and the real purpose that they’re here. People get to that clarity very rapidly through processes such as that. So I ask them in my retreats, “Do you want to play a game called So What?” Now, I can’t do that with that wonderful 63‐year‐old lady, because she’s not here, but if I had a person, like on our next call — it’s a shame that people can’t actually call in to this program live, because I’ve done it with people live.

Jennifer: Yeah, they actually can, and she might be on the call, because she’s one of the participants. So

if you’re on the line, Barbara, you’re welcome to press star 7. Star 7 will unmute your line if you’re on the line. If you’re not, no worries, but if you’re on the line, you’re welcome to press star 7 and then just start talking. Let’s see if she’s here. It doesn’t appear that she’s on the line. For those who are interested in asking a question about any of this stuff, you’re welcome to press star 2 right now. Star 2 will raise your hand, and by pressing star 2, you can ask some questions, and if you’d like to play the So What game, press star 2. It doesn’t appear that Barbara is on the line here, but we do have someone raising their hand. We have someone raising their hand. Would you like to work with them?

Neale: I’m happy to talk to anyone who calls in. Jennifer: Wonderful. So Aurora, Illinois, you are on the air. Female: Well, I just have a question. He might want to work on somebody else that wants to do it. Jennifer: That’s okay. You’re the only one who has raised their hand so far, so go for it. Female: I was just wondering a little bit more about his background and what was going on in his life

and why he ended up in these living conditions, on the street and so forth, this terrible, interesting background.

Jennifer: Yeah. I think I would add to that question. What led you to getting on the street, and

secondly, we’ve been talking about a state of mind, so what state of mind kind of landed you there?

Neale: Well, first of all, I was an overachiever or imagining myself to be, so I was in that place that I

was describing of striving, striving, striving, working 14‐, 18‐, 20‐hour days. I really mean some days I had four or five hours sleep. I literally was working 19 and 20 hours on some days and just really striving and pushing to gather those things that I thought I needed in order to be happy. So my state of mind was very unconnected, very non‐spiritual and totally wrapped up in the physical world and the physical realities of life, as I understood them.

How it happened was really quite simple. I had an automobile accident, in which I broke my

neck. I thought I mentioned that earlier. Maybe I didn’t, but I had an automobile accident, in which I broke my neck, and that disabled me. Obviously, I had a broken neck. I was utterly disabled. I was not paralyzed, thank God, but I was unable to do much of anything. I was told I wasn’t to lift even so much as a bowl of cereal at arm’s length. I had to keep everything very close to me. I couldn’t extend my arm and lift anything. I couldn’t put any kind of torque or tension on my neck whatsoever, for the longest time, not for a week or two. A broken neck takes about two years to heal completely, two years of agonizing therapy, I might add. I won’t get into that long story, but it’s quite a story.


So here I am now, with this broken neck, unable to any kind of work whatsoever, and as I

mentioned earlier, the insurance guy — I was in an automobile accident. That’s how I broke my neck. It was clearly the other man’s fault, but the insurance company, like all other insurance companies, fought me for almost three years, trying to get out of making the claim, because it was a large claim obviously, because I’d lost my livelihood. In the meantime, I had no income, and I ran through very quickly what I could ask of friends and family. It doesn’t take long when you have nothing. Pretty soon I was at my wit’s end, was at the bottom of the barrel, the end of my rope, nowhere else to go. I wound up ultimately on the street. I had fallen through the cracks of the social welfare system.

I could get food stamps. I did wind up getting food stamps, but I couldn’t get a job anywhere.

I couldn’t get any income sufficient to support me in the way I needed to be supported. I finally wound up living on the street. I managed to pull together a tent and a Coleman stove. I had just a few pieces of clothing, and I lived in a campground where homeless people gathered, outside the city in which I lived. You can’t live there anymore, by the way. The city came along and said homeless people can’t live there anymore. This is another issue, but cities don’t want homeless anymore, even homeless who don’t bother others, even homeless who are perfectly happy to just, “Let me have a little tent here, a little campsite off in the woods. I won’t bother anybody, I swear. I won’t bother anybody.” “No, no, no. Move on, move on, move on.” So we live in a society, which has begun to abandon its compassion, and I can tell you that firsthand.

Jennifer: The whole time you still had a broken neck, even when you were homeless. Neale: Of course. I had a Philadelphia about it. I was wearing a Philadelphia collar. I was wearing a

plastic collar that you see people walking around in, who have severe neck injuries. I wore that for 18 months. I couldn’t take it off. I didn’t dare take it off, because my neck could not support the weight of my head. So I couldn’t even get a job. Believe me, I tried everywhere to get a job. I went to Safeway. “I’ll pack boxes. I’ll stock shelves. I’ll sweep the floors. I’ll clean the bathrooms. I’ll do whatever. Let me do anything.” But no. These people would look at me. They’d say, “We wish we could, but look at you. You’re wearing a neck brace, for heaven’s sake. One wrong move, and we’ve got the unemployment claim of the century. We can’t possibly hire someone who’s clearly injured the way you are.” I couldn’t get work anyplace. I wound up panhandling on the street. I wound up walking up and down the streets, asking people for a quarter, a dime or some loose change and living that way.

Jennifer: If you’re interested in hearing much more of Neale’s story, I would recommend renting or

purchasing Conversations with God, the movie. It’s a lovely — well, it’s not lovely. It’s a poignant, powerfully emotional movie about Neale’s experience on the street and what happened before, during and after that timeframe in his life. You were not a young man, necessarily, when all that happened.

Neale: No, no, no. It would have been nice if I’d have been 35 or 40. I could have handled it, but I

was 50 years old, and it was a very difficult period of time in my life. Hollywood came along. I never even imagined that anyone would do anything with that, but Hollywood came along. They read the story in my book, and they came along and said, “We’d like to make a movie of this.” I said, “Well, only if you don’t Hollywood‐ize it. I don’t want you to exaggerate it. I


don’t want you to get into car chases or whatever you think you need to do to make the darn movie sensational. Only if I have complete script control.” They said, “Well, you drive a hard bargain. We don’t give complete script control to anybody.” I said, “Great. Then we won’t do the movie.” So they gave me complete script control, and we did the movie.

Jennifer: It’s a remarkable story. The moment in that movie for me was when you were eating out of a

bin, eating that hamburger. Neale: Henry Czerny is a wonderful, wonderful actor. I couldn’t even believe the performance he

turned in. I told him, and I told the screenwriter all the events, the stories of my life. Henry just turned that around and made it so real that it put me right back to those moments in my life. He’s just an extraordinary actor, and I’m very grateful to him for portraying me as he did, remarkable performance.

Jennifer: It’s beautiful. So again, to answer the question even deeper, that’s a place of access. We have

another question here from Tucson, Arizona. You’re on the air. Last four digits are 3200. Go ahead.

Leanda: Hello, Jennifer and Neale. I am so thankful to be able to speak to you, Neale. I’ve seen the

movie. I’ve read Conversations, books one to three. I just listened to Jennifer’s special with your retreat and read Communion with God after hearing it. It was incredibly moving. The thing I want to ask you about always comes to mind. My heritage is Jewish, and when I think about the things that you’re saying, I have a picture in my mind of what the Nazis did to families, killing children right in front of their parents and the horrors of what our country is doing around the world. My heart breaks because of it. I know that people have listened to this, but I don’t understand how you can just turn off the sadness and even the hatred and accept what is and be happy with it.

Neale: What is your name? Leanda: Leanda. Neale: Sweetheart, no one says you shouldn’t be sad. So to your very first question, how do you not

be sad, you don’t not be sad. You be sad. With regard to how do you not hate, when one understands, one relinquishes hate almost instantly. First of all, you need to know, Leanda, that hate is love. There is only one emotion. The only emotion there is, is the emotion of love, and hate is an expression of love. That is, it is an expression of the fact that you love something or someone so much that you despise that which would destroy it. So hate is an expression, anger is an expression of love. However, it is a destructive expression, and it is an expression of love, which does not speak clearly or accurately, of who you really are. When we understand, then we no longer hate.

Now, here’s a statement I’m going to make to you that might help you to understand. God

said to me, “No one does anything inappropriate, given their model of the world.” Once you understand the model of the world that would sponsor such actions, we begin to relinquish our hate and replace it with a deep, deep sadness for that person. “Oh, I’m so sad for you, that somehow something in your beautiful, young life — because at one time, you were as beautiful and young and innocent as all children and all babies and all young men and women.


At some time, you were clean and pure and wonderful, just like me, and something happened to you. I’m so sad. I have such compassion for you that something so horrible happened to you that twisted your reality. Somebody taught you something or told you something or caused you to believe something that was so antithetical to what your soul knows to be true, and in your world of illusion, you bought it. You embraced it. You got it. You thought it was true, and you thought, misguidedly, but you thought you were living your truth. Oh, my God, I’m so sad that you thought that was your truth lived. I have such compassion for the distortion under which you lived, that it would cause such outpicturings and such behavior on your part.”

The sadness is that all of us have had those distortions at some level. Elizabeth Kubler‐Ross,

one of my great, great life teachers, once said to me, “There’s a little bit of Hitler in all of us.” When I understood that, when I understood what that meant — not that I would do what Hitler did in that proportion but that I would commit the kinds of crimes, the kinds of actions that would take the kinds of behaviors in smaller proportion, that I would feel the same kind of hatred in my heart that he felt, that when I hear you say, “How do I let go of this sadness,” I say, “Don’t ever let go of the sadness.” Sadness confirms your humanity. How could you not be sad and be human? But when you say, “How can I let go of even the hatred,” then I say, “Oh, my God. Oh, my God, Leanda. That’s what caused him to do what he did.” Don’t you see that hatred is at the core of what he did and what all those did, who committed the atrocities that you mentioned earlier in this call? Would you then adopt the exact same core emotion as an antidote?

Leanda: No, never. Neale: Or as a response? I would tell you what Conversations with God said to me, which is difficult

to hear. Hitler went to heaven, and when people say to me, “How can you possibly say something like that? What a horrible thing to say” — and they have said that to me. They’ve stood up at my lectures and shouted that to me across the room. I say, “Can you give me 25 seconds to respond? May I at least respond?” “Yeah. Yeah. What is your response?” “The statement Hitler went to heaven does not mean that Hitler did not experience the consequences of his actions. It simply means there’s no place else to go. There is no such thing as hell. We made that up, but heaven is experiencing the consequences of your actions, such that you understand what you did and never repeat the behavior again, through all the many lifetimes that you have yet to live.” Heaven is growth. It’s learning, and when you learn through the consequences of your actions — and the consequences of your actions in heaven are that you get to experience all that those experienced at your hand — then, when you’ve experienced what they’ve experienced, when you’ve mutually experienced the experience that you created, then you are released to learn and love and live again.

I was on an airplane about 12 or 13 years ago. I was flying in first class, and the person sitting

next to me was an older gentleman. He was impeccably dressed, wearing his suit and a tie. He must have been 86 or 88 years old, an older gentleman, but he was impeccably dressed and groomed. He had a cologne on, just a perfect gentleman you could sit next to on an airplane. I sat down next to him, and I noticed with some interest that he was reading my book. He didn’t know who I was, because the book had no cover, no jacket, and there was no picture of me on the book. So he was reading it, and I was sitting next to him. As we find in life, I finally couldn’t resist. I said, “Excuse me. I can’t resist asking you. Are you enjoying that


book?” He said, “This book has changed my whole life.” I said, “How is that, sir?” He said, “Well, you see, I’m Jewish.” He said, “I’m an older guy, and I’ve been able to forgive everybody at my life at this point. I’m almost 90 years old, and I’ve really let go of all of it. I really have. I’ve forgiven the business partner, who took my money and ran off and embezzled stuff. I’ve forgiven the first wife, who left for another man. I forgave the man she left with. I forgave all the injustices of the world. I’ve really forgiven it all, but the one thing I couldn’t forgive was Hitler. I just couldn’t, can’t, couldn’t forgive it until I read this book. Then I realized that was my last step for growth. That deep understanding and total compassion pushed me past forgiveness to a place of simple love that all of us have, taking this journey and doing the best we could. Everyone is doing the best he can at any possible moment, given the model of the world into which they grew and stepped.” He said, “This book has saved my life in my 89th year, my spiritual life. It’s allowed me to forgive the worst of it, the absolute worst of it, and that has got to place me among the best of it.”

I never did tell him who I was. I didn’t have the heart. I just got up and went to the men’s

room, went to the little bathroom on the airplane and cried. Sat there and just cried, “Thank you, God, that one person has been touched by a message that can change the world.”

Sweetheart, never let go of your sadness. Celebrate your sadness. The Conversations with

God says that sadness and happiness are not mutually exclusive. Therefore, experience your sadness as an expression of your humanity, but let yourself be sad, not just for what happened, but for those that perpetrated it. Let that be your greatest sadness of all. How sad, that somehow you embraced a model of the world, that somehow you were given by someone a model of the world that caused you to do those things. How sad for you and how compassionate I am that that should have been your path in that lifetime. Yet even with that, I rejoice in the knowing that all of us, all of us, what we call and label the worst of us and what we’ve called and labeled the saints among us, that all of us will someday meet at home with God. We’ll embrace each other, and we’ll say, “Wow. Oh my, oh my. Wow.”

Now, in the rest of your life, through all the days of your life, you can move through people,

places and events as a model of understanding and compassion and not forgiveness but clarity. “Oh, I see. I see.” And when people encounter you and say you, of Jewish heritage, can have compassion, what am I complaining about in my life? You will stand as a model, a walking emblem of what it means to be who you really are. Then the day will come when you will realize what gave you that opportunity, and in some very deep place of understanding, you will realize that even the Holocaust, in that particular way, has been a blessing, in that it brought you, in a way that no other way could possibly bring you, to an awareness of who you really are.

Jennifer: Thank you, Leanda, very much for that wonderful question that elicited that remarkable

response. I appreciate you very much. Thank you. Leanda: Thank you both so much with all my heart. Jennifer: Thank you, thank you. I’m going to move my attention away from you if that’s okay. We have

run past time, but it was worth every second. Neale, thank you so much. My heart is full and open, and I’m very grateful. We’re getting some lovely comments here of how grateful we all


are for your attention with us this evening on this important topic. So thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you.

Neale: You’re very welcome. I’m glad to be here with you. Jennifer: So join us, again, next week for our next show with Neale. We are going to be talking next

about releasing old habits, patterns and stories, and I can hardly wait. Thank you so much, Neale, and we’ll see all of you next time. Good night, now.

Neale: Good night. [End of Discussion]


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