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White v. N.Y. Gas Co.: OVERVIEW

• Ds using well for storage of reinsertion gas.

• Reinsertion gas leaking underground into nearby OD well to which P has some rights.

• P claims that, once reinserted underground, gas has “escaped”, so belongs to nobody (Hammonds & ACs).

White v. N.Y. Gas Co.: DQ87

Arguments that G wins even under ACs?Can do in detail yourselves; relevant points include:

•Return to NL: – Not “Natural Habitat” (but see Mullett )– Like Kesler: relatively short time & distance;

quick “pursuit”

•Marking/F’s Knowledge: – Nature of gas shows person in industry that

not local– Highly unlikely OD well starts producing again

w/o leak


Arguments that G wins even under ACs?•Domestication (Coupet B2) • Could Easily Have Rule That Once

“Captured”, No Longer Wild Animal, so Stronger Rights

• Two Concerns re Analogy to Domestication1. Natural Gas Escapes if Not Confined Well,

so Maybe More Like Wild Animal in Cage2. In White Situation (Unlike Hammonds), G

No Longer Fully Controls Gas

White v. N.Y. Gas Co. : Logic of Case

Finding #1: Plaintiff is a resident and citizen of Crawford County, Pennsylvania. Defendant New York State Natural Gas Corporation … is a New York corporation and doing business in Pennsylvania. Defendant Tennessee Gas Transmission Company … is a Delaware corporation and doing business in Pennsylvania. The amount in controversy exceeds the sum of $3,000 exclusive of interest and costs.

Relevance?

White v. N.Y. Gas Co. : Logic of case

• Diversity Case in Federal Court– Court must apply Pennsylvania Law (Erie)– Penn. Trial Court case followed Hammonds

• Court: Penn. SCt would not follow Hammonds– Penn doesn’t always use animals analogy for oil & gas– Hammonds rule discourages reinsertion– Strong public policy favoring reinsertion (note finding re

necessary for winter heating in Northeastern US)

White v. N.Y. Gas Co. : Logic of case (DQ88)

• Court: Penn. SCt would not follow Hammonds– Penn doesn’t always use animals analogy for oil & gas– Hammonds rule discourages reinsertion– Strong public policy favoring reinsertion

• DQ88: Penn Statutes = Evidence of public policy– Eminent Domain power available to get storage space

(like Oklahoma)– Allowed to store even near coal mines – State leases out land for storage


Under the reasoning of White, will surface owners (Os) have a trespass action against those who reinsert gas (Gs)?•They should; gas remains property of Gs.•Penn giving Gs Eminent Domain power to purchase rights suggests state thinks Gs should have to pay Os.


• Under the reasoning of White, Os have trespass action against Gs who don’t purchase rights to use pool.

• White & Hammonds can’t be reconciled on this point. After White, Pennsylvania has different rule than Kentucky.

Qs on White?

Argument By AnalogyOil & Gas: Escape (radium)

Reviewing: Gas Companies (G) Reinserting Gas Produces Two Kinds of

Disputes:1.Hammonds: G v. Owners of Lots Containing Part of Reinsertion Pool (Deliberate Reinsertion)2.White: G v. Owners of Adjoining Pools: (Leaks)

Note :You could address the two kinds of disputes separately. E.g., might argue ACs better for leaks than for

Hammonds.


DQ90: Factual Comparisons Between Escaping Animals Situations & “Escaping” Gas Situations

Arguments from Factual Similarities re Usefulness of

Escaping Animals Cases



Arguments from Factual Similarities re Usefulness of Escaping Animals Cases: Could

start with •In both, Property moving from complete control to place where ownership is less certain. (Nice Point: DeOrchis B2)•Leak in White Like Animal b/c Escaping Confinement w/o OO’s Intent Despite Labor to Control•Valuable Property/Industry•Both Can Hold Identifying Mark (Although Marking of Gas Probably Only Discernable to Expert ) (Dahl B1)



Arguments from Factual Differences re [lack of] Usefulness

of Escaping Animals Cases



Arguments from Factual Differences re [Lack of] Usefulness of Escaping Animals

Cases: Could start with •Natural Gas Lasts Much Longer Than Animal or Whale Carcass•Reinsertion is Socially Valuable ; Escape is Not•Reinsertion is Deliberate; Escape is Not


DQ91: Usefulness of Doctrine from Escaping Animals Cases for “Escaping” Gas Situations

Rules/Factors from Escaping Animals Cases that Would Work

Fairly Well (and Why)



Rules/Factors from Escaping Animals Cases that Would Work

Fairly Well Might Include: Distance; AR;

Abandonment; F’s Knowledge; Industry; NL (in leak cases)



Rules/Factors from Escaping Animals Cases that Might be Hard

to Use(and Why)



Rules/Factors from Escaping Animals Cases that Might be Hard

to UseMight Include: Time; Marking (w/o

expertise); NL (in Hammonds cases)


DQ94: POSSIBLE ALTERNATIVES (Pros & Cons? Best Solution?)

•White Rule: Reinserted Gas = Property of Gas Co.•Hammonds Rule: Reinserted Gas = Unowned (Simplified ACs)•More Complex ACs (Consider marking, control, etc.)•DQ 92. Oklahoma Statute (White footnote 2) •DQ 93. “Airspace Solution to Hammonds problem.”•Other??


DQ94: POSSIBLE ALTERNATIVES Pros & Cons? Best Solution?

Might Consider:•Importance of Reinsertion & Cheap Fuel•Relative Importance of Landowners’ Interests•Ease of Administration•Public Reaction

LOGISTICS CLASS #26• My Exam Workshops: Tue 10/30 & Thu

11/1 @ 12:30-1:50 Room F309• Info Memo #6 Online: Includes

• Group Written Assignment #3

• Comments/Models re Written Assignment #2

• Published Ghen Brief for DQ77

• Takings Survey (If you haven’t already, can turn in after class; extras available)

Argument By Analogy:Group Written Assignment

#3Generally

•Task Like XQ2 for Fact Pattern A (Never Given)

•Helpful first to do XQ1 for Fact Pattern

•Comments/Models for XQ2s Online – Can look at for ideas

– I suggest you try to do yourself first


#3Structure of Each Sub-Assignment

Similar•Doing One of Three Approaches

•Must Submit (Roughly Speaking)…– Two Arguments in Favor of Using ACs

– Two Arguments Against Using ACs

– One Argument re Which Set Seems Stronger


#3Specific Concerns

•“Overlap” Instructions: Don’t Choose Topics That Yield Two Very Similar Arguments

•Stick to Approach I Give You (See Weasels)

•Reread Instructions Before Finalizing

QUESTIONS??

Unit Three : Constitutional Protection of Private Property

State Regulations of Land Use Frequently Limit What Landowners

Can Do With Their Land and/or Reduce Its Value.

Under What Circumstances Does the U.S. Constitution Require that the

State Compensate the Landowner for These Effects?

Unit Three : Constitutional Protection of Private Property

Key Differences from Units One & Two

•Whole Unit is Single Line of Cases from Same Court, So Need to Work With as a Group•US Supreme Court Opinions Longer & More Complex •Context:– Not State Court Working with Common Law of

Property– Federal Court Determining if State Law Violates US

Constitution (Takes Us to DQ95)

Unit Three : IntroductionDQ95: Role of Fed’l Court

(Oxygen)When Federal Courts review state statutes to determine whether they violate the U.S. Constitution, most people believe their role does not include determining whether the statute is a good idea as a matter of policy.

Why shouldn’t a Federal Court strike down a state statute because it is stupid?

Unit Three : IntroductionDQ95: Role of Fed’l Court

(Oxygen)Why shouldn’t a Federal Court strike down a state statute

because it is stupid? Common Answers Include: •Democratic Theory– State Legislature is Elected Body; Fed’l Court is Not– Bill of Rights Generally as Limit on Democracy

•Relative Expertise: – Legislature Can Do Better Fact-Finding– See DQ55 after Albers

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