PIERRE & FORT PIERRE COMMUNITY MOPTF (MAYOR’S OUTDOOR POOL TASK FORCE) June 4, 2008
Mar 26, 2015
PIERRE & FORT PIERRE COMMUNITY
MOPTF (MAYOR’S OUTDOOR POOL TASK FORCE)
June 4, 2008
MOPTF COMMITTEEMOPTF COMMITTEE“The mission of the Mayor’s Outdoor Pool Task Force is to assess the current conditions and demand for an “The mission of the Mayor’s Outdoor Pool Task Force is to assess the current conditions and demand for an outdoor pool facility in the City’s of Pierre and Fort Pierre, explore options for future development, including outdoor pool facility in the City’s of Pierre and Fort Pierre, explore options for future development, including
one shared outdoor facility, and make recommendations to both municipal governments to guide future one shared outdoor facility, and make recommendations to both municipal governments to guide future outdoor pool investments.”outdoor pool investments.”
REPRESENTING PIERREREPRESENTING PIERRE ROSS PETERSEN, CHAIRMANROSS PETERSEN, CHAIRMAN JUDY WEGNERJUDY WEGNER KENT HUCKINSKENT HUCKINS J.J. LINNJ.J. LINN
REPRESENTING FORT PIERREREPRESENTING FORT PIERRE KRISTIE MAHER, VICE - CHAIRMANKRISTIE MAHER, VICE - CHAIRMAN LINDA BROWNLINDA BROWN KATHY HEISSKATHY HEISS MISTY HOFTIEZERMISTY HOFTIEZER
SUPPORT STAFFSUPPORT STAFF Leon Schochenmaier, Pierre City Administrator Leon Schochenmaier, Pierre City Administrator Tom Farnsworth, Pierre Parks and Recreation DirectorTom Farnsworth, Pierre Parks and Recreation Director David Page, Fort Pierre Finance OfficerDavid Page, Fort Pierre Finance Officer Andy Lueth, Pierre Recreation SuperintendentAndy Lueth, Pierre Recreation Superintendent
WHAT IS THE PROBLEM?WHAT IS THE PROBLEM?
PIERRE – OUTDOOR POOLPIERRE – OUTDOOR POOL Deteriorating BathhouseDeteriorating Bathhouse Gutter System needs to be replacedGutter System needs to be replaced Bowl of the pool needs to be replacedBowl of the pool needs to be replaced Continued replacement of deckingContinued replacement of decking Yearly Operation and Maintenance cost will continue to Yearly Operation and Maintenance cost will continue to
increaseincrease Liability issues will force closure in 2 to 3 yearsLiability issues will force closure in 2 to 3 years
Core Samples - 2002Core Samples - 2002
Hahn Engineering Structural Inspection and Evaluation of Griffin Park Pool (December 27, 2002)
Hahn Engineering Opinions & Recommendations: #8 (It is our opinion the pool has far exceeded its functional life. The original concrete has deteriorated to the point of little remaining strength. The gunite layer is not structural and can not adequately support the design loads. It is our opinion the bowl has already failed and removal and/or replacement should be considered.)
Note: Algae Present between layers! Note: Difference in concrete aggregate.
Core #4 Taken from the NW corner of the Pool.
GUTTER SYSTEMGUTTER SYSTEM
Yearly Operating ExpensesYearly Operating Expenses & Revenues& Revenues
PierrePierreExpensesExpenses Year Year Personnel Personnel Expenses Expenses Capital OutlayCapital Outlay Total Total 2003 31,678.00 80,017.20 2,173.80 113,869.002003 31,678.00 80,017.20 2,173.80 113,869.00 2004 29,968.00 21,431.00 0.0 51,399.002004 29,968.00 21,431.00 0.0 51,399.00 2005 27,538.00 21,289.00 1,620.00 50,447.002005 27,538.00 21,289.00 1,620.00 50,447.00 2006 29,729.00 15,265.00 0.0 44,994.002006 29,729.00 15,265.00 0.0 44,994.00 2007 40,008.80 21,331.00 3,500.00 64,839.802007 40,008.80 21,331.00 3,500.00 64,839.80RevenuesRevenues Year Year Concessions Concessions Swim Fees Swim Fees Total Total 2003 1,914.002003 1,914.00 7,157.00 7,157.00 9,071.00 9,071.00 2004 2,288.002004 2,288.00 5,223.00 7,511.00 5,223.00 7,511.00 2005 3,036.002005 3,036.00 6,580.00 9,616.00 6,580.00 9,616.00 2006 3,866.002006 3,866.00 9,442.00 13,308.00 9,442.00 13,308.00 2007 5,991.002007 5,991.00 9,047.00 15,038.00 9,047.00 15,038.00
Total Tax Base SupportTotal Tax Base Support2003 - $104,797.60 2003 - $104,797.60 2006 - $31,686.00 2006 - $31,686.00 2004 - $43,887.902004 - $43,887.90 2007 - $49,781.90 2007 - $49,781.902005 - $40,831.002005 - $40,831.00
WHAT IS THE PROBLEM?WHAT IS THE PROBLEM?
FORT PIERRE – OUTDOOR POOLFORT PIERRE – OUTDOOR POOL Bowl is cracking and will need to be replacedBowl is cracking and will need to be replaced Leaking significant amount of waterLeaking significant amount of water Decking needs to be replaced (significant cost)Decking needs to be replaced (significant cost) Bath House is deteriorating Bath House is deteriorating Pipes under decking need to be replaced (significant Pipes under decking need to be replaced (significant
cost)cost) Several of the water jets do not function and need to be Several of the water jets do not function and need to be
repairedrepaired 4 to 7 years of life left in pool4 to 7 years of life left in pool
Major Cracks in BowlMajor Cracks in Bowl
Decking Needs to be ReplacedDecking Needs to be Replaced
Yearly Operating ExpensesYearly Operating Expenses & Revenues& Revenues
Fort PierreFort PierreExpensesExpenses Year Year Personnel Personnel Expenses Expenses Capital OutlayCapital Outlay Total Total 2003 27,355.20 12,059.00 0.0 39,414.202003 27,355.20 12,059.00 0.0 39,414.20 2004 34,227.00 15,026.00 0.0 49,253.002004 34,227.00 15,026.00 0.0 49,253.00 2005 31,419.30 17,247.00 0.0 48,666.302005 31,419.30 17,247.00 0.0 48,666.30 2006 34,303.10 19,383.00 0.0 53,686.102006 34,303.10 19,383.00 0.0 53,686.10 2007 25,745.40 20,298.00 0.0 46,043.402007 25,745.40 20,298.00 0.0 46,043.40RevenuesRevenues Year Year Concessions Concessions Swim Fees Swim Fees Total Total 2003 1,934.102003 1,934.10 7,523.20 7,523.20 9,457.30 9,457.30 2004 2,375.902004 2,375.90 3,706.50 6,082.50 3,706.50 6,082.50 2005 2,786.702005 2,786.70 4,901.20 7,687.90 4,901.20 7,687.90 2006 3,647.602006 3,647.60 6,545.70 10,193.20 6,545.70 10,193.20 2007 3,092.602007 3,092.60 5,231.60 8,231.60 5,231.60 8,231.60
Total Tax Base SupportTotal Tax Base Support2003 - $32,960.10 2003 - $32,960.10 2006 - $43,493.20 2006 - $43,493.20 2004 - $43,170.702004 - $43,170.70 2007 - $37,718.80 2007 - $37,718.802005 - $40,977.702005 - $40,977.70
Total Tax Base Support Total Tax Base Support Pierre & Fort PierrePierre & Fort Pierre
Year Pierre Fort Pierre Year Pierre Fort Pierre TotalTotal 2003 $104,797.602003 $104,797.60 $32,960.10 $32,960.10 $137,757.70$137,757.70 2004 $43,887.90 2004 $43,887.90 $43,170.70 $43,170.70 $87,058.60$87,058.60 2005 $40,831.00 2005 $40,831.00 $40,977.70 $40,977.70 $81,808.70$81,808.70 2006 $31,686.00 2006 $31,686.00 $43,493.20 $43,493.20 $75,179.20$75,179.20 2007 $49,781.90 2007 $49,781.90 $37,718.80 $37,718.80 $87,500.70$87,500.70
$0.00
$20,000.00
$40,000.00
$60,000.00
$80,000.00
$100,000.00
$120,000.00
$140,000.00
Pierre FortPierre
Total
2003
2004
2005
2006
2007
Yearly Attendance TotalsYearly Attendance Totals
0
2000
4000
6000
8000
10000
12000
14000
Pierre Fort Pierre
2005
2006
2007
Pierre
2005 – 12,134
2006 – 8,643
2007 – 9,549
Fort Pierre
2005 – 5,913
2006 – 8,352
2007 – 4,187
What are the Options!What are the Options!
Option 1 – Do Nothing Option 1 – Do Nothing (Continue to operate both pools as they (Continue to operate both pools as they are currently run!) are currently run!)
Pierre Pool expected to operate 2-3 more years then it will close. Pierre Pool expected to operate 2-3 more years then it will close. (Note: Pool is past the point in which patch repairs could be (Note: Pool is past the point in which patch repairs could be made and the entire pool would have to be replaced) made and the entire pool would have to be replaced)
Do not replace Outdoor Pool and use Aquatic Center.Do not replace Outdoor Pool and use Aquatic Center.
Fort Pierre Pool expected to operate 4-7 more years then it will Fort Pierre Pool expected to operate 4-7 more years then it will close unless major repairs are done. (Note: Significant cost for close unless major repairs are done. (Note: Significant cost for future repairs are needed to keep the pool open.)future repairs are needed to keep the pool open.)
What are the Options?What are the Options? Option 2 – Replace existing Pools in each Option 2 – Replace existing Pools in each
community with similar structures.community with similar structures.
PierrePierre – 2.5 to 3.5 Million Dollar Cost to replace existing pool and bath – 2.5 to 3.5 Million Dollar Cost to replace existing pool and bath house with same structure and features. house with same structure and features.
• Note: New pool will continue to have same Operation costs. Note: New pool will continue to have same Operation costs. Yearly Debt Service Payment $278,000.00Yearly Debt Service Payment $278,000.00 Yearly O & M Cost after revenues Yearly O & M Cost after revenues $50,000.00$50,000.00 Yearly Tax Base Support $328,000.00Yearly Tax Base Support $328,000.00
Fort PierreFort Pierre – 1.5 to 2.5 Million Dollar Cost to replace existing pool and – 1.5 to 2.5 Million Dollar Cost to replace existing pool and bath house with same structure and features. bath house with same structure and features.
• Note: New pool will continue to have same Operation costs. Note: New pool will continue to have same Operation costs. Yearly Debt Service Payment $198,000.00Yearly Debt Service Payment $198,000.00 Yearly O & M cost after revenues Yearly O & M cost after revenues $45,000.00$45,000.00 Yearly Tax Base Support $243,000.00Yearly Tax Base Support $243,000.00
Total costs to replace both pools is $4-6 million with no Total costs to replace both pools is $4-6 million with no new pool amenities.new pool amenities.
Note: Debt Service based on 5% interest X 20 yrs
Option 2AOption 2A Option 2A –Option 2A – Repair pools so they can continue to operate.Repair pools so they can continue to operate.
Pierre – not an option for the Pierre Outdoor Pool. The pool is past the point of Pierre – not an option for the Pierre Outdoor Pool. The pool is past the point of patch repairs. The entire pool will need to be replaced.patch repairs. The entire pool will need to be replaced.
Fort Pierre – Minimum repairs could be done for the next 5-7 yrs and then the pool Fort Pierre – Minimum repairs could be done for the next 5-7 yrs and then the pool would have to be replaced or the following would need to be done in order to keep would have to be replaced or the following would need to be done in order to keep the pool open any years after that time. The following would need to be addressed. the pool open any years after that time. The following would need to be addressed.
• Replace Decking and Find Leak in Piping Replace Decking and Find Leak in Piping • Several of the water jets do not function andSeveral of the water jets do not function and would need to be repaired. would need to be repaired. • Bath House is not accessible and is poorly laid Bath House is not accessible and is poorly laid out with differences in elevation in the excess of ADAG.out with differences in elevation in the excess of ADAG.• If significant repairs are done to the decking the diving boards If significant repairs are done to the decking the diving boards may have to be removed. may have to be removed. • Chemical Room would have to be replacedChemical Room would have to be replaced
What are the Options?What are the Options? Option 3 – Build One Community Family Option 3 – Build One Community Family
Outdoor Aquatic Facility.Outdoor Aquatic Facility. Bring both communities together to build one facility.Bring both communities together to build one facility.
Find general location to accommodate both communities.Find general location to accommodate both communities.
SD Communities that have built Family Outdoor Aquatic Facilities SD Communities that have built Family Outdoor Aquatic Facilities or will be building Facilities in the future. or will be building Facilities in the future.
BrookingsBrookings MadisonMadison WatertownWatertown Spearfish Spearfish Mitchell Mitchell Sioux FallsSioux Falls AberdeenAberdeen
Each community saw an increase in attendance by 300% Each community saw an increase in attendance by 300%
In Cities with family outdoor aquatic facilities, operational costs In Cities with family outdoor aquatic facilities, operational costs are nearly covered by revenues.are nearly covered by revenues.
Option 3 – ContOption 3 – Cont..What is a Family Outdoor Aquatic Facility?What is a Family Outdoor Aquatic Facility?
New trend in Outdoor AquaticsNew trend in Outdoor Aquatics Include zero depth entrance with play structuresInclude zero depth entrance with play structures Include water slides, drop slides, and lazy riversInclude water slides, drop slides, and lazy rivers Include expanded concessionsInclude expanded concessions Include lap pool for lessons and competitionsInclude lap pool for lessons and competitions Includes every amenity as a Water Park for half Includes every amenity as a Water Park for half
the cost. the cost. Attract a wider demographic compared to the 50 Attract a wider demographic compared to the 50
year old pool style. year old pool style.
BrookingsBrookings
MitchellMitchell
AberdeenAberdeen
Membership ComparisonMembership Comparison
0200400600800
100012001400160018002000
Brookings Mitchell Watertown Aberdeen
2005
2006
2007
BrookingsBrookings2005 – 5342005 – 5342006 – 1,8452006 – 1,8452007 – 1,9632007 – 1,963
MitchellMitchell2005 – 3002005 – 3002006 – 1,0002006 – 1,0002007 – 952 2007 – 952
WatertownWatertown2005 – 398 2005 – 398 2006 – 1,188 2006 – 1,188 2007 – 1,1982007 – 1,198
AberdeenAberdeen2005 – 603 (2 pools)2005 – 603 (2 pools)2007 – 1,152 (only 2007 – 1,152 (only open for 67 days)open for 67 days)
Daily Admissions Daily Admissions
0
5000
10000
15000
20000
25000
30000
Brookings Mitchell Watertown Aberdeen
2004/05
2006
2007
Brookings
2005 – 16,251
2006 – 20,770
2007 – 18,878
Mitchell
2004 – 4,118
2006 – 11,783
2007 – 9,698
Watertown
2004 – 6,544
2006 – 17,443
2007 – 17,143
Aberdeen
2005 – 11,241
2006 – 0 (Closed)
2007 – 28,874
Yearly Attendance TotalsYearly Attendance Totals
0
10000
20000
30000
40000
50000
60000
70000
80000
Brookings Mitchell Watertown Aberdeen
2004/05
2006
2007
Brookings
2005 – 32,405
2006 – 75,000
2007 – 73,450
Mitchell
2004 – 18,000
2006 – 54,000
2007 – 53,220
Watertown
2004 – 17,476
2006 – 64,352
2007 – 65,356
Aberdeen
2005 – 27,251
2006 – 0 (Closed)
2007 – 54,666
Five Potential Sites Evaluated in Pierre to Locate a New PoolFive Potential Sites Evaluated in Pierre to Locate a New PoolConcentric Circles are 660 feet (1/8 mile) apartConcentric Circles are 660 feet (1/8 mile) apart
Pros and Cons of Pierre Potential SitesPros and Cons of Pierre Potential Sites P1 – Steamboat Park – Pros – 5.5 acres, good visibility & access, near bike P1 – Steamboat Park – Pros – 5.5 acres, good visibility & access, near bike
trail, City owned, draw tourists, visible to both Cities & central location for trail, City owned, draw tourists, visible to both Cities & central location for both Cities, good parking, near Chamber, Discovery Center and hotels. both Cities, good parking, near Chamber, Discovery Center and hotels. Cons – removes green space, lots of trees, low water table, may need to Cons – removes green space, lots of trees, low water table, may need to close Dakota avenue off bridge.close Dakota avenue off bridge.
P2 – West of Ramkota Inn – Pros – City owned, visible from both Cities & P2 – West of Ramkota Inn – Pros – City owned, visible from both Cities & centrally located for both Cities, near hotels, on bike trail, Cons – Congested centrally located for both Cities, near hotels, on bike trail, Cons – Congested parking, access to Highway poor, smaller than Steamboat, lots of trees, parking, access to Highway poor, smaller than Steamboat, lots of trees, removes green space.removes green space.
P3 – Skateboard Park – Pros – City owned, near trails, walking distance for P3 – Skateboard Park – Pros – City owned, near trails, walking distance for Boys and Girls Club, near other recreation. Cons – relocate skatepark & Boys and Girls Club, near other recreation. Cons – relocate skatepark & safety town, off major thorough fair, not visible or centrally located for Ft. safety town, off major thorough fair, not visible or centrally located for Ft. Pierre, limited parking, lose green space to parking.Pierre, limited parking, lose green space to parking.
P4 – West of Griffin Park – Pros - City owned, on trail, near other recreation. P4 – West of Griffin Park – Pros - City owned, on trail, near other recreation. Cons – Removes green space, no parking, reduces residential visibility to Cons – Removes green space, no parking, reduces residential visibility to river, limited space.river, limited space.
P5 – Garfield & 4P5 – Garfield & 4thth Street – Pros – Near shopping, no water table issue. Street – Pros – Near shopping, no water table issue. Cons – hills, private land, not central location, far from hotels, no other Cons – hills, private land, not central location, far from hotels, no other recreation nearby,recreation nearby,
Six Potential Six Potential Sites Sites Evaluated in Evaluated in Ft. Pierre to Ft. Pierre to Locate a New Locate a New Pool (sites Pool (sites are shaded in are shaded in blue – circles blue – circles are ¼ mile are ¼ mile apart)apart)
Pros & Cons of Ft. Pierre Potential SitesPros & Cons of Ft. Pierre Potential Sites
FP 1 – Existing Pool Site - Pros – Can see from Highway 83, adjacent to FP 1 – Existing Pool Site - Pros – Can see from Highway 83, adjacent to CYI-School. Cons – Lack of parking.CYI-School. Cons – Lack of parking.
FP 2 – Marina Drive US CORP buy out land – Pros – Can be seen from FP 2 – Marina Drive US CORP buy out land – Pros – Can be seen from main highway, only have to buy one house out. Land vacancy. main highway, only have to buy one house out. Land vacancy.
Cons – CORP owns property (may be gifted), high traffic in residential, Cons – CORP owns property (may be gifted), high traffic in residential, compete with boat traffic.compete with boat traffic.
FP 3 – South of Teton Island - Pros – Good access. FP 3 – South of Teton Island - Pros – Good access. Cons – Expensive, high traffic, commercial parking.Cons – Expensive, high traffic, commercial parking.
FP 4 – Schimkat Property - Pros – Visible, access, on trail. FP 4 – Schimkat Property - Pros – Visible, access, on trail. Cons – High water table, Very expensive land.Cons – High water table, Very expensive land.
FP 5 – Vacant Property North of Town - Pros – County land, good visibility FP 5 – Vacant Property North of Town - Pros – County land, good visibility from dam, land in great shape. from dam, land in great shape.
Cons – County land, isolated, large distance for kids to travel.Cons – County land, isolated, large distance for kids to travel.
FP 6 – City Park Block North of Town - Pros – City owned, flat ground, good FP 6 – City Park Block North of Town - Pros – City owned, flat ground, good access, by Wakpa SIca, on trail, near golf course. access, by Wakpa SIca, on trail, near golf course.
Cons – large distance from both cities.Cons – large distance from both cities.
Please Give Us Your CommentsPlease Give Us Your Comments Your comments on the information presented, Your comments on the information presented,
various options, locations, etc. will assist the various options, locations, etc. will assist the Task Force in developing a recommendation to Task Force in developing a recommendation to be delivered to both City Commissions this fall.be delivered to both City Commissions this fall.
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Thank you for helping shape the future of Thank you for helping shape the future of Outdoor Pools in Fort Pierre and Pierre.Outdoor Pools in Fort Pierre and Pierre.