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Osmosis: The Bane of Liquid Applied Waterproofing Membranes WESTFORD SYMPOSIUM SUMMER CAMP 2014: GRAHAM FINCH, MASC, P.ENG PRINCIPAL, BUILDING SCIENCE RESEARCH SPECIALIST, RDH BUILDING ENGINEERING
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Osmosis: The Bane of Liquid Applied Waterproofing Membranes

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Page 1: Osmosis: The Bane of Liquid Applied Waterproofing Membranes

Osmosis: The Bane of Liquid Applied Waterproofing Membranes WESTFORD SYMPOSIUM SUMMER CAMP 2014: GRAHAM FINCH, MASC, P.ENG

PRINCIPAL, BUILDING SCIENCE RESEARCH SPECIALIST, RDH BUILDING ENGINEERING

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Outline à  The Waterproofing Conundrum

à  Proving It

à  Testing It

à  Measuring It

à  Findings to Date

à  What to Look for?

à  What Next?

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Inquisitive: definition: eager to learn or learn more, to be curious, desire to solve problems.. …engineers!

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The Waterproofing Conundrum

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Vancouver c. 2004 – 5 year roof review

Really Heavy Pink Stuff

Liquid Waterproofing over Concrete Deck

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Water Filled Blisters Under Pressure

30-60 mil Liquid Applied Waterproofing

Membrane Cut & Water Released from Blister

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Liquid Water Below Membrane & Reported Intermittent Leaks

Lots of water below the membrane

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Problematic Roof Assemblies Affected

à  Concrete Pavers, Ballast, or

Dirt/Green Roof

à  Pedestals (optional)

à  Filter Fabric

à  XPS Insulation (over heated

space)

à  Drainage Mat (optional)

à  Liquid membrane

à  Concrete roof slab

Blistering observed over both conditioned (interior) and unconditioned space (parking garages), within planters, green roofs, and water features

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2004 - Evaluating the Problem

à  Systemic failure of 5 year old

waterproofing membrane

throughout massive 4 tower

residential complex à  Just one of many buildings

affected that we were aware of

à  Cause of the blistering unknown

at the time à  Apparent correlation with

membrane thickness

à  Initial monitoring & research

started

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2004 – Membrane “Blistering Index”

>90 mils okay?

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Vancouver c.2008 The Problem Grows…

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Blisters Everywhere you Dig!

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Gallons of Water Beneath Membranes

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Leaks, Lawsuits & Membrane Renewals

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Membrane Blisters Lifting Pavers & Leaks

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Membrane Blisters Lifting Pavers & Leaks

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Paver Water Beds!

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Polyurethane Membrane Blisters in Water Features

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2008 – Updated Blister Index

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2004 2008

Nothing below 50%

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2008 – State of Affairs

à Systemic issue affecting mostly asphalt modified polyurethane membranes in protected membrane roofs over concrete decks à  2 similar membranes from 2 major manufacturers

à Findings – Water Filled Blisters à  Membranes 3 to 15 years old with blisters

à  Membranes 30-60 mils, some up to 120 mils

à  Blisters filled with water under pressure

à  Blisters range from penny size to entire roof deck areas

à  No obvious detail or discontinuity

à  Top of membrane almost always wet

à  Ability to lift pavers, expand/grow over time

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Theories & Urban Legends

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Industry Perception Pre 2008

à  Many hypotheses and

strong opinions as to the

blistering mechanisms

à  Little building science

understanding or research

– lots of speculation

à  Blame fell to many roofers

and the liquid membrane

manufacturers

à  Reports of problems

worldwide

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Theory #1: Pinholes in Thin Membrane

? In but not out

X

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Theory #2: Hydrostatic Head from Details

? Self contained fully adhered blisters far away from any details X

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Theory #3: Vapor Diffusion from Inside

INDOORS

OUTDOORS

OUT

IN X

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Theory #4: Diffusion & Capillary from Outside

INDOORS

OUTDOORS

OUTSIDE & BLISTER WATER EQUAL X

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Hypothesis: Osmosis

à  Osmosis developed as a possible hypothesis after

debunking all other options

à  Osmosis is the flow of water across a semi-permeable

membrane from the side of low to high salt (solute)

concentration

à  Requires 2 things: à  Difference in salt (solute, metal ion) concentration

à  A membrane permeable to water molecules, but with pore

structure too small for dissolved ions to pass

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What is Osmosis?

Osmosis: Water flows through

membrane from lower to

higher dissolved salt Ion

concentration

Salty Water

Fresh Water

Fresh Water

Salty Water

Membrane

Osmotic Pressure

Fresh Water

Salty Water

Applied Pressure

Equilibrium: Osmotic pressure is the

pressure required to stop

water flow and reach

equilibrium across membrane

Reverse Osmosis: Mechanical pressure greater

than the natural osmotic

pressure is applied to filter

dissolved salt ions out and

create fresh water

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Osmosis in Other Applications

à  Not well documented by

building/roofing industry à  Either rare or unreported

à  Other industries: à  Fiberglass boat hulls

•  Uncured resins create chemical osmotic cell

à  Epoxy Floor Coatings •  Moisture from slabs on

grade create blisters beneath certain membranes

à  Bridge decks •  De-icing salts cause

blistering of coatings

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Could it Be Osmosis?

à  Questions to answer: à  Is the blister water salty?

à  What is the osmotic pressure difference between rainwater

and blister water?

à  Is the waterproofing membrane semi-permeable?

à  Industry resources available à  Reverse Osmosis filter industry – formulas/calculators for

reverse osmosis system pressures based on dissolved salt

concentrations

à  Visual/ microscope & vapor permeance testing (ASTM E96)

for relative permeability of membrane

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Water Extraction For Testing

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Is the Blister Water Salty?

à  Blister water extracted from several

roofs & sent to 3rd party water lab

à  Blister water found to contains high

concentrations of dissolved metals:

à  Sodium: naturally occurring within

cement and aggregates

à  Potassium: potash used within

concrete additive

à  Silicon: naturally occurring within

cement and aggregates

à  Rainwater from ponding water - no

relevant concentration of minerals

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What is the Osmotic Pressure Potential?

à  Blister water contains: Sodium, Potassium,

Silicon and traces of other dissolved minerals

including Boron, Magnesium, Tin and other

stuff!

à  Calculated osmotic suction pressures for

different blister water samples found to range

from 300 to 400 kPa (43 to 58 psi)!

à  Reinforces finding that water extracted

from membrane blister tended to be under

some positive pressure

à  As blisters form and grow, the membrane

delaminates – so full pressures are never

realized

à  For reference – brackish water = 25 kPa

(3.6 psi), seawater 2500 kPa (363 psi)

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Membrane Removal

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Is the Membrane Permeable?

Membrane #1 – Aged 30 mil moisture cure chemistry, removed from roof

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Is the Membrane Permeable?

Membrane #2 – Aged 60 mil moisture cure chemistry, removed from roof

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Is the Membrane Permeable?

à  Many manufacturers were in 2008 and still are today

reporting ASTM E96 vapor permeance ‘dry-cup’ values

à  Tested both aged (removed from site) and new (laboratory

made) membrane samples for each

à  Tested: dry, wet, and inverted wet cup

Lab,  50%  RH  

0%  RH,  Desiccant    

DRY  CUP  –  Average  RH  =  25%  

Lab,  50%  RH  

100%  RH,  water  

WET  CUP  –  Average  RH  =  75%  

Lab,  50%  RH  

100%  RH,  water  

Inverted  WET  CUP  –  Average  RH  =  75%  +  H20  

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Are These Membranes Permeable?

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VAPOR PERMEANCE OF LIQUID MEMBRANES

Aged Membrane 1- 30 mils

Aged Membrane 2- 60 mils

New Membrane 3 -120 mils

SBS/Hot Rubber

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Impact of High Vapor Permeance

à  How does the concrete get wet or water initially get

below the membrane to create the osmotic cell? 1.  Fresh cast concrete is initially saturated or rained on

2.  Condensation & liquid water within bug holes and

unfilled surface voids below membrane

3.  Vapor diffusion from topside of membrane – until water

& equilibrium on both sides

1 2 3

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WUFI SIMULATED MOISTURE CONTENT OF TOP 1/2" OF CONCRETE SLAB -COMPARISON BY MEMBRANE TYPE

Impermeable hot rubber waterproofing

Semi-permeable asphalt modified polyurethane waterproofing

Impact of High Vapour Permeance

drying trend

wetting trend

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How to Measure Osmotic Flow Rate?

à  Dissolved salt/metal ion

concentration difference

across membrane?

à  Membrane permeable to

water?

à  Mechanism of initial

wetting?

à  Measure osmotic flow

rate directly Osmosis: Water flows through membrane from lower to

higher dissolved salt Ion

concentration

SaltyWater

FreshWater

FreshWater

SaltyWater

Membrane

OsmoticPressure

Fresh

Water

Salty

Water

Applied Pressure

? Measure movement of water across waterproofing membrane with salt water from site

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Chamber Concepts: Version 1.0

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Chamber Concepts: Version 1.1

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Chamber Concepts: Version 1.2

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Chamber Concepts: Version 1.3

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Chamber Concepts: Versions 2.0 & 2.1

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Chamber Concepts: Version 3.0

Sometimes simpler is better…

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Osmotic Flow Laboratory Apparatus

Salty Water Fresh

Water Membrane

Increase in Volume = Flow through Membrane

Salty Water

Fresh Water

Membrane

Initial Setup, Pressure within Container is equal to atmospheric.

P atm

P atm

P c = P atm

P c >P atm

Osmosis occurs until Pressure within container reaches the Osmotic Pressure

Osmotic Flow

250 mL Glass container with open screw-top lid

Brass coated or plastic screw-top lid

Waterproofing Membrane

Membrane bedded in waterproof epoxy, epoxy fills voids in screw top lid and prevents unscrewing

Salty Water

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Proof of Concept Testing

Measured volume/mass rates up to

15 L/m2/day

per manufacturers

specs

Commercial reverse osmosis filter

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At Last… Some Results

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Measured Osmotic Flow – Control Samples

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OSMOTIC FLOW THROUGH MEMBRANE -­‐ INFLUENCE OF OSMOTICPRESSURE POTENTIAL

Membrane  #1  -­‐  0  M  NaCl,  water  control  sample

Membrane  #1  -­‐  0.1  M  NaCl  -­‐  460  kPa

Membrane  #1  -­‐  1.0  M  NaCl  -­‐  55,000  kPa

Control sample with no osmotic difference - moisture uptake due to absorption into membrane only

9.7 g/m2/day

5.9 g/m2/day

~0 g/m2/day

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Measured Osmotic Flow – Blister Water

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OSMOTIC FLOW THROUGH MEMBRANE -­‐ INFLUENCE OF OSMOTICPRESSURE POTENTIAL

Membrane  #1  -­‐  0  M  NaCl,  water  control  sample

Membrane  #1  -­‐  0.1  M  NaCl  -­‐  460  kPa

Membrane  #1  -­‐  1.0  M  NaCl  -­‐  55,000  kPa

Membrane  #1  -­‐  Blister  Water  -­‐  326  kPa

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Aged Membrane Testing

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AVERAGE OSMOTIC FLOW THROUGH MEMBRANES #1  &  #2

Membrane  #1  -­‐  30  mil  Aged

Membrane  #2  -­‐  60  mil  Aged

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OSMOTIC FLOW THROUGH VARIOUS ASPHALT MODIFIED POLYURETHANE WATERPROOFING MEMBRANES

Membrane #1 - 30 mil - blistered

Membrane #1 - 30 mil - blistered

Membrane #2 - 60 mil - blistered

Membrane #3 - 70 mil - blistered

Membrane #5 - 120 mil - unknownperformance

Membrane #7 - 60 mil - unknownperformance

Membrane #9 - 100 mil - unknownperformance

Membrane #10 - 100 mil - unknownperformance

New vs Aged Membrane Testing

Aged - Blistered

New – Unknown Performance

Same membrane manuf. & chemistry

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Impacts of Primers?

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EFFECT OF MEMBRANE PRIMER TYPE - POLYURETHANE VS EPOXY

Epoxy Primer on membrane - 0.5 Perms

Polyurethane Primer on membrane - 0.9 Perms

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Findings – Original Membranes

à  Asphalt modified polyurethane membranes have serious

shortcomings as waterproofing

à  Vapor permeance typically >5 US Perms after aging, even if

initially <1 US perms

à  Osmotic Flow Rates of 5-12 g/m2/day,

(up to 20+ g/m2/day with some 10-15 year old membranes)

à  Aged values much worse than initial •  Impacts of alkaline environment and constant wetting?

à  Some primers effective at reducing flow rate, but difficult to

apply to sufficient thickness in field

à  Conclusion – if we could reduce osmotic flow rate to less than

the vapor diffusion rate through concrete slab then could we

be okay?

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Summary: Osmotic Blistering Process

à  Top surface of the membrane wet all

year (insulation/dirt/water feature)

à  Moisture moves though the membrane

via vapor diffusion

à  Concrete less permeable than the

membrane = moisture accumulation

à  Moisture dissolves minerals from

concrete

à  Osmosis forms small blisters at

localized voids or de-bonded areas of

membrane

à  Osmotic pressure grows and continues

expanding blisters over time

Water on top of membrane almost year round in inverted roofassembly (poor slope = more water)

Concrete is initially at or close to saturation. Vapour diffusionmoves additional moisture though membrane to concreteinterface.Concrete is less permeable than membrane and water begins tosaturate the concrete and accumulate at the membraneinterface.

Mineral ions dissolve out of concrete increasing the saltconcentration of the water beneath the membrane. Osmosisbegins and small blisters are formed.

Vapour diffusion to interior through concrete is relativelyslow compared to the rate transported by Osmosis.

Blisters grow and expand due to osmotic flow.

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Worldwide Findings

à  RDH observations à  Pacific Northwest to California

à  Reported Osmotic Blistering issues by others through

discussions and by our project involvement à  Florida & Southern US

à  Hawaii

à  New Zealand

à  Europe & Asia

à  Appears more prevalent in temperate, humid climates –

where water is able to sit on membrane year-round à  Or in ponds, planters and other wet places

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Added to Hartwig Kuenzel’s Roofing Book

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Lots of Repairs Made… With Other Materials Many Blistered Membrane Renewals Projects

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A Little Caution About Roofers & Tie-ins…

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New and Ongoing Research

à  Between 2008 and 2014 we have worked with numerous

liquid applied membrane manufacturers to address osmosis

à  Measure osmotic flow rate, vapor permeance, absorption

à  Assess impacts of thickness, reinforcing, primers, fillers, cure

method, different chemistries, etc.

à  Looked at alternate membrane chemistries & membrane types

•  2 component & single component chemistries •  Polyurethanes (asphalt and non-asphalt modified) •  Polyureas

•  Polyesters •  PMMAs •  Asphalt Emulsions

à  Continued testing of original two membrane offenders &

other membranes applied in past decade (litigation and R&D)

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Laboratory Apparatus Revisions

Improved lid with powder-coated corrosion proof finish & improved epoxy seal to keep water out of gap & consistent measurement

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What About Polyureas What About Polyureas?

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VARIOUS POLYUREA MEMBRANES (7 TYPES) AVERAGED OSMOTIC FLOW RATES

What About Polyureas?

Aged asphalt modified urethane control sample

7 new different polyurea chemistries

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What About Polyureas

Membrane Sample Name

Membrane Thickness:

Average, mils

Range, mils

 

Osmotic Flow Rate

Average, g/m2/day

Range, g/m2/day

Water Absorption - % & Time to Reach

Equilibrium

Inverted Vapour Permeance as

Measured:

US Perms

Grey 83 2.9 1.5%, <7 days 1.4 US Perms

Brown 78 2.0 2.0%, <7 days 2.2 US Perms

Beige 83 2.3 1.6%, <7 days 1.2 US Perms

Grey 2 135 2.9 0.6%, <7 days 1.9 US Perms

Grey 3 34 5.3 1.3%, <7 days 3.5 US Perms

Orange 106 2.3 1.2%, <7 days 1.2 US Perms

Green 74 2.9 1.6%, <7 days 2.1 US Perms

RED = BAD TRAIT, GREEN = DESIRABLE TRAIT

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What About Other Chemistries?

What About Other Membrane Chemistries?

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What About Other Membrane Chemistries?

Membrane Sample Name

Vapour Permeance of 100 mil Standard

Thickness: (US Perms)

Water Absorption: % by Mass Osmotic Flow Rate,

Thickness

Average, g/m2/day

  Wet Cup Inverted Wet Cup At 20 days At 250 days

AFU-Asphalt Free Urethane Resin

0.08 US Perms

0.08 US Perms 1.6% >4.5% (has not

stopped) ~0.7 (87 mils)

PE – Polyester Based System

0.26 US Perms

0.27 US Perms 1.3% 0.2% 0.4 (55 mils)

PE2 Two component polyester system

0.31 US Perms

0.33 US Perms 1.7% 0.8% 0.5 (54 mils)

PMMA – Poly Methyl MethAcrlyate

0.27 US Perms

0.28 US Perms 1.7% >4.4% (has not

stopped) ~0.8 (65 mils)

RED = BAD TRAIT, GREEN = DESIRABLE TRAIT, ORANGE - BORDERLINE

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What About Asphalt Emulsions?

•  20% absorption by weight after 210 days and still rising, 20% measured swelling

•  Osmostic flow rate: ~5.4 g/m2/day

•  Inverted wet cup permeance 0.14 US perms for 121 mils

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Asphalt Emulsion Waterproofing?

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Comparison of Results to Date

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Inverted Wet Cup Vapor Permeance - US Perms

INVERTED WET CUP VAPOR PERMEANCE VS OSMOTIC FLOW RATE - COMPARISON

Aged Asphalt Modified Polyurethane Membranes - Where Blistering Observed

New Asphalt Modified Polyurethane Membranes - Unknown Performance

New Polyurea Membranes - Unknown Performance

New Membrane Chemistries - 1 and 2 component - Unknown performance

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Inverted Wet Cup Vapor Permeance - US Perms

INVERTED WET CUP VAPOR PERMEANCE VS OSMOTIC FLOW RATE - COMPARISON

Aged Asphalt Modified Polyurethane Membranes - Where Blistering Observed

New Asphalt Modified Polyurethane Membranes - Unknown Performance

New Polyurea Membranes - Unknown Performance

New Membrane Chemistries - 1 and 2 component - Unknown performance

Comparison of Results to Date

Targets: <0.1 US perms, <0.1 g/m2 Osmotic Rate Plus minimal absorption

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Revised Test Procedure & Targets

à  Key Measurements: à  Vapor Permeance – Inverted wet cup testing (<0.1 perms, want

this to be less than the concrete slab)

à  Osmotic Flow Rate – measure by apparatus with control salt

solution for 3-6 months (<0.1 g/m2/day)

à  Water Absorption – soak it until it stops (<1%)

Osmotic Flow Rate

Concrete Vapour Diffusion Rate

√ ? X

< = >

VS.

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Recommendations

à  Avoid use of cold applied membrane chemistries over

concrete in a protected roof or environment where top of

membrane will be wet (roof, pond, split-slab, planter etc.)

à  Be very careful of membranes made for “green concrete” as

tend to be worse (higher vapor permeance)

à  Not just a black asphalt modified membrane problem –

affects all types – polyureas, polyurethanes, PMMAs etc.

à  In meantime use a good tried and true fully adhered system –

use hot rubber, 2 Ply SBS, built-up asphalt etc.

à  Where “hands-tied”, keep water from getting down to liquid

waterproofing (supplemental drainage above insulation)

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Some Conversions

à  Desired Inverted Wet Cup Vapor permeance to be less than

0.1 US Perms (<6 ng/Pa s m2)

à  Few manufacturers report inverted wet cup, usually just wet

cup (Procedure B) (or worse still dry cup, Procedure A)

à  Inverted wet cup values typically 10 to 50% higher than wet cup

and can be many times higher than dry cup values

à  Watch reporting units à  1 mil = 1/1000”

à  1 mm = 25.4 mils

à  Permeability in perm-in : divide by thickness (inches)

à  WVT (grains/hr/ft2) not same units or value as vapor

permeance (grains/hr/ft2 inHg)

à  Convert to US perms for quick check

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Red Flags to Look Out For

2.3 US Perms!

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Red Flags to Look Out For

Withdrawn standard Needs Updating!

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Red Flags to Look out For

1.7 US Perms (DRY CUP)

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Red Flags to Look out for

No Permeance measurements anywhere

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Two measurements? 0.72 WVT works out to ~ 1.8 US Perms (Wet cup) 1.56 WVT ~ 4.0 US Perms (Wet cup)

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Next Steps

à  Determine maximum safe vapor permeance threshold for

waterproofing membranes over concrete

à  Refine and develop ASTM osmotic flow test method and determine

acceptable maximum flow rates for different applications.

à  Revise Applicable Standards (ASTM C836 and/or withdrawn CAN/

CGSB–37.58-M86) to specify:

à  Maximum allowable inverted wet cup permeance (<0.1 perms?)

à  Maximum absorption for constant & prolonged immersion (this

is not the typical 24 hr/7day ASTM test)

à  Maximum allowable osmotic flow rate (<0.1 g/m2, so less than

concrete can dry through)

à  Consideration for aging and submersion within wet concrete

environment (accelerated wet alkaline test?)

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Next Steps

à  Need a waterproofing industry champion to raise

awareness and push revisions to ASTM standards and

bring forth the osmosis test method à  We gave been looking for a manufacturer with a cold

applied liquid membrane that works! (market advantage)

à  Testing and evaluation of all products currently on

market

à  Hopefully No More Problems!?

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A Final Word of Warning

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à  rdh.com

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