8/8/2019 MDchat Transcript for November 9, 2010 http://slidepdf.com/reader/full/mdchat-transcript-for-november-9-2010 1/13 Transcript of #MDchat for Tuesday, November 9, 2010 Follow @MD_chat on Twitter for Regular Updates Twitter.com/MD_chat MDchat.org MD_Chat Welcome to #MDchat everyone! Before we begin, let's get started with introductions. murzee Pulm/CC trained health services researcher, blogger, epidemiology professor, methods buff #mdchat RichmondDoc Family doc in #RVA; not multitasking as much this week as last, but always multitasking at some level or another. #mdchat astupple I'm a third year medical student at SUNY Upstate, keen on the way forward. #mdchat MD_Chat @murzee @RichmondDoc @astupple Welcome! #MDchat peds_id_doc #mdchat - Peds ID Fellow in Upstate NY - will try to chip in but will probably listen for advice/insight on this week's session. Hello all! astupple SUNY Upstate is in Syracuse, NY. #mdchat CrescendoCG I'm Beth- I work with hc consumers to help them make better choices about health hc- appreciate MD perspectives @ these chats #mdchat spulim Smart Pill May Keep Track of How, When Medicine Is Taken - AOL Health http: //j.mp/9Cy240 #mdchat mkmackey Kathy Mackey listening in to #mdchat RichmondDoc @peds_id_doc Que pasa, amigo? If you're anything like me, you start off lurking but get drawn in to discussion just the same... #mdchat jodyms Hello everyone, I write a blog for women with cancer. #MDCHAT Listening tonight:) murzee Good to see you, @mkmackey! #mdchat mkmackey @murzee thank you! Nice crowd already.. #mdchat peds_id_doc @RichmondDoc #mdchat - probably - but I'm at an advantage in that the topic of private practice hopefully won't ever apply to me...! EllenRichter I'm Ellen, a critical care nurse legal nurse consultant in south Florida who loves social media how its infiltrating health care #MDchat
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MD_ChatOK, we'll get started with the first topic in a moment. Two topics today. Pleaseprepend responses to topics w/T1, T2 etc. #MDchat
apjonas Pat Jonas, Holistic Family Physician private practice, Ohio Hi all #mdchatDoctor_V I'll peek during homework #mdchat
RichmondDoc@peds_id_doc That's good, though: you'll be able to discuss *why* that's thecase (if you feel comfortable). #mdchat
MD_ChatT1 Private Practice: What's its future? Doomed? Or open to innovation? Bouncequickly to @Doctor_V's http://bit.ly/d81MM2 #MDchat
murzee Good to see you, @apjonas, Doctor_V! Homework? #mdchat
murzeeRT @MD_Chat: T1 Private Practice: Whats its future? Doomed? Or open toinnovation? Bounce quickly to @Doctor_Vs http://bit.ly/d81MM2 #mdchat
jodymsRT @MD_Chat: T1 Private Practice: What's its future? Doomed? Or open toinnovation? Bounce quickly to @Doctor_V's http://bit.ly/d81MM2 #MDchat
RichmondDocT1 I don't think it's doomed, though definitely a trend of new docs moving intoemployed/hospital-owned groups. #mdchat
peds_id_docRT @MD_Chat: T1 Private Practice: What's its future? Doomed? Or open toinnovation? Bounce quickly to @Doctor_V's http://bit.ly/d81MM2 #MDchat
RichmondDoc T1 I can see a shift in the types of private practices, though: concierge,extremely-low-overhead models, etc. #mdchatmurzee T1: perhaps both? Innovation may mean a change in approach #mdchat
ability4life#MDchat Kathy Kastner, Canadian pt. Blown away by posthttp://tinyurl.com/2bpgqzb will respectfully listen and learn 2nite
astupple T1 Wow, I heard this statement from two different people just today. #mdchat
RichmondDoc
T1 Remains to be seen what is left of #hcr after the elections, what that means
re: ACOs, and how easily indies can make a go of it. #mdchat
mkmackey T1 Private Practice: Whats its future? @Doctor_Vs http://bit.ly/d81MM2 ;gt;Thoughtful comments here both realistic optimistic #mdchat
peds_id_doc#mdchat T1 Much of my US family has suggested I go into private practice - I'mnot keen on all the work...too many hassles on several fronts
EllenRichterInteresting piece @Doctor_V ...hopefully things will end up righting themselveshttp://bit.ly/d81MM2 #MDchat
apjonasT1 Payment reform critical to having a base of pvt practice PC physicians. DirectPC (subscription practice) helps for some pts, etc.#mdchat
RichmondDoc@PracticalWisdom Certainly makes it harder; some docs are doing MD/MBA degrees, or returning for fast-track executive MBA programs. #mdchat
chukwumaonyeijeT1: @murzee is correct. The current *model* is a lot of the problem. #MDCHAT
murzee
You think so? What about professionalism? RT @Doctor_V: Next generation
wants 9-5 work for 9-5 pay, no? #mdchat
healthewomanPrivate Practice will be a privilege of the rich; everyone else is going to get runthrough the cattle chute. Take a number. #MDChat
RichmondDocT1 So long as we're looking at increased volume and doing more = betterreimbursement, hard for independent practice to keep up. #mdchat
apjonasT1 pts need to storm the Bastille of the med-ind-complex $ partner w/pvtpublic PC practice ext svc ala agriculture to fix mess #mdchat
chukwumaonyeije@Doctor_V: I think there will be a trade-off. Some want 9-5. Others will provideconcierge service for incr$$ but incr time output #MDCHAT
RichmondDoc@murzee @Doctor_V I think the next generation is willing to put in more than9-5 hrs, but want flexibility and options. #mdchat
chukwumaonyeije@healthewoman Apple store is also a cattle chute... incl. take a number. But a
well designed cattle chute... #MDCHAT
peds_id_doc @RichmondDoc #Mdchat T1 - Indeed - when YOU are the product, it doesn'tscale well. Poor small business model :-P
chukwumaonyeijeRT @RichmondDoc: @murzee @Doctor_V I think the next generation is willingto put in more than 9-5 hrs,but want flexibility and opts. #MDCHAT
healthewoman@chukwumaonyeije Agreed! Except I doubt the US Gov't can design asfunctional and efficient a cattle chute #MDChat
murzee
@RichmondDoc Agreed, flexibility and options. Perhaps more transparency and
less ;quot;frat rush ;quot; mentality in the field 2? #mdchatdr_spikyhair @murzee don't see how 9-5 limits professionalism (word?) #mdchat
murzeeRT @peds_id_doc: @RichmondDoc #Mdchat T1 - Indeed - when YOU are theproduct, it doesnt scale well. Poor small business model :-P #mdchat
chukwumaonyeije@healthewoman The US Govt. has already shown us it CANNOT. It will be up toentrepreneurial 21st century docs to design implement #MDCHAT
RichmondDoc
@apjonas T1 Agree: to change the model of care provision and reimbursement,
will need patients to partner w/ calls for change. #mdchat
murzeeRT @apjonas: T1 medical practice to respond to uniqueness of ea indiv pt canhappen with humans at ctr (pt-dr) bonding vs the sludge #mdchat
RichmondDoc@chukwumaonyeije @healthewoman No indication that healthcare will begovt-run; employed docs likely to be under hospital systems. #mdchat
MD_ChatT1 Follow-up: Might part of answ be in reviewing origins of prvt prctice? e.g.:
Ask: what was needed then versus what's needed now. #MDchat
RichmondDoc@murzee T1 If we allow new docs to feel they can put in time and beprofessional, they will choose pvt vs employed status. #mdchat
murzee@MD_Chat Exactly! The field is so different today, and the model needs tochange. Period. #mdchat
chukwumaonyeije@RichmondDoc @healthewoman Agree that healthcare will not be govt-run;lots of innovative/disruptive concepts out there. Esp ACOs #MDCHAT
RichmondDoc@MD_Chat T1 I think looking at the origins of pvt practice can be revealing--that is *all* that existed, unless in public hospital. #mdchat
murzee@RichmondDoc Not sure about that - wrote ab it here http://evimedgroup.
RT @murzee: @MD_Chat Exactly! The [healthcare] field is so different today,
and the model needs to change. Period. #mdchat
RichmondDoc@MD_Chat T1 Back in the day, everyone hung out their shingle on their ownand had their own practice; not many options. #mdchat
healthewoman@RichmondDoc I worked for a hospital for 3 months. They didn't know whatthe **** they were doing in running a medical practice. #MDChat
chukwumaonyeije@MD_Chat Would also look at how well the *current* private practice modeldeals with cost and public health. Not so great sad2say #MDCHAT
MtnmdThere are powerful innovations out there 2 assist docs 2 stay in private practice.Like our Co. there are ways to change and succeed. #mdchat
PracticalWisdom What about the cash only option? http://www.medpagetoday.com/PracticeManagement/PracticeManagement/13347 #MDchat
astuppleT1 I'm go prim care bc I think tech will decentralize med away from specialist tothe hands of PCP's- tech wave breaks, prv prac win #mdchat
murzee Recommend Paul Starr's book as the definitive hx of US medicine. #mdchat
RichmondDoc@healthewoman T1 Have heard similar issues from many other docs; also haveknown pvt practice docs struggling to run a practice... #mdchat
murzeeRT @chukwumaonyeije: @MD_Chat Would also look at how well the *current*private practice model deals with cost and public health. #mdchat
chukwumaonyeije@healthewoman @RichmondDoc My practice works out of 10 diff hospitals in
ATL. They are *not* created/managed equally! #MDCHAT
apjonas@RichmondDoc T1 pvt for some, public for some, hosp emp for some, gov empfor some.wk frce Balance PAYMENT reform w/rad innov #mdchat
healthewoman what makes a practice run well is a practice manager who understands business#MDChat
MtnmdPhysicians have to let go of old, pharma/ins run model and think out of box forgood of patients and UR practice. #MDChat
PracticalWisdom RT @healthewoman: what makes a practice run well is a practice manager whounderstands business #MDchat
murzeeRT @Mtnmd: Physicians have to let go of old, pharma/ins run model and think out of box for good of patients and UR practice. #mdchat
healthewoman@Mtnmd I've never let Ins/Big Pharma make my medical decisions for me ormy patients #MDChat
chukwumaonyeije
@healthewoman Doesn't hurt if that practice manager is also willing to step on
a few heads... #MDCHAT
Mtnmd#MDChat I agree, there R many innovative/disruptive models out there, some R quite appealing.Learning business is key, not sure MBA necessry
chukwumaonyeijeRT @murzee: RT @Mtnmd: Physicians have to let go of old, pharma/ins runmodel and think out of box for good of patients practice. #MDCHAT
murzee Have to say good night now, sorry -- great chat, thanks! #mdchat
apjonas
@murzee then go outside med for books on how to be radical for the people.
Google, OReilly IT books, Warrior Books anything but med #mdchat
RichmondDoc@PracticalWisdom T1 Cash-only and low-overhead practice models can be very liberating...or very difficult to make work well. #mdchat
healthewoman@chukwumaonyeije careful, you might be accused of being a ;quot;disruptivephysician ;quot; if you buck power establishment of an institution #MDChat
mkmackey @murzee good to see you..next time.. #mdchatRichmondDoc @murzee Good night! Till next time?! #mdchat
chukwumaonyeije@Mtnmd Most important skill regarding new models is willingness to be open.This is the downfall of docs in my generation IMHO #MDCHAT
Mtnmd@healthewoman #MDChat Example: Sermo docs bashing med marijuana, butthen when pharma offers patented alternative, they jump right on.
MD_Chat @murzee OK, good night! Hope to see you next time! Cheers! #MDchat
chukwumaonyeije@healthewoman Too late. I've already got a rep... #MDCHAT
littlebytesnewsRT @healthewoman: Private Practice will be a privilege of the rich; everyoneelse is going to get run through the cattle chute. Take a number. #MDChat
Mtnmd@healthewoman #MDChat Another example: for docs to financially flourish,they have to handle the $ marketing. It's been 2 easy w/ins.
RichmondDoc
RT @chukwumaonyeije: @Mtnmd Most important skill regarding new modelsis willingness to be open. This is the downfall of docs in my generation IMHO#MDCHAT
Mtnmd @chukwumaonyeije #MDChat I couldn't agree more.
PMgeezerRT @healthewoman: Private Practice will be a privilege of the rich; everyoneelse is going to get run through the cattle chute. Take a number. #MDChat
foxepracticeHave you seen http://www.carepractice.com/ ? RT @PracticalWisdom Whatabout the cash only option #mdchat
chukwumaonyeije100% agree re docs handling $ and marketing. @Mtnmd @healthewoman#MDChat Much more skin in the game if you forego insurance #MDCHAT
Mtnmd@healthewoman #MDChat I, too, think that is inevitable. However, we can helpmake the ;quot;chute ;quot; better, and support the private model, too.
healthewomanRT @foxepractice: Have you seen http://www.carepractice.com/ ? RT@PracticalWisdom What about the cash only option #mdchat
astupple
Is hello health pvt prac for the rich? http://hellohealth.com/physicians/
peds_id_doc@astupple #mdchat T1 Tech will help...but specialists will still be needed forconsults/referrals. Tech can't train PCPs
apjonasT1@healthewoman The cattle chute is a good challenge for pvt practice to chew on radically. The poor/rich could choose a doc #mdchat
PracticalWisdomfoxepractice: I've not seen http://www.carepractice.com/ ? Thank you. Great
Website looks like for the rich and Famous~ :0 #MDchat
Mtnmd@RichmondDoc @healthewoman These docs don't HAVE to struggle, there iscompetent help, if they can stop trying to B lone ranger #MDChat
MD_Chat Shoulder tap: Next topic coming up in a couple minutes. #MDchatPracticalWisdom @MD_Chat: Shoulder Tap~ love that line can I steal it? #MDchat
apjonas
@astupple No, Direct Primary Care fits with the unemployed, uninsured,
insured w/HSA. Pays PC to do what they love the rt way #mdchat
chukwumaonyeijeDon't fear the cattle chute. Apple, Starbucks, Whole Foods, etc. Greatexperiences. But ultimately they are moving product (us) #MDCHAT
astupple@peds_id_doc @apjonas I'm hoping for a the specialist craze to be a bubble,one that will be burst by tech in PCP's hands. Wishful? #mdchat
apjonas@astupple Qliance also is DPC with happy docs and pts. Flex and integratemodels to max qual/prof satisfaction. Solution shop, etc. #mdchat
Mtnmd@chukwumaonyeije #MDCHAT Yes, Symtrimics offers incrsed pay via visitsincrsed pt health along w/elegant marketing.Not only place to look
black_doveNovember 2010 #VitalSigns report highlights the latest CDC info on access tohealth care. http://is.gd/gSdss #hcr #mdchat #rnchat
CaroldeRT @healthewoman: Private Practice will be a privilege of the rich; everyoneelse is going to get run through the cattle chute. Take a number. #MDChat
Mtnmd
RT @chukwumaonyeije: Don't fear the cattle chute. Apple, Starbucks, WholeFoods, etc. Great experiences. But ultimately they are moving product (us)#MDCHAT
peds_id_doc @astupple #mdchat T1 Speaking as a specialist I hope it's wishful thinking :-P
MD_ChatT2 AMA's Social Media Guidance. Announced yesterday: see http://ow.ly/373By What do you think? Anything to add? #MDchat
peds_id_doc
@astupple #mdchat T1 Tech doesn't provide knowledge or experience...that's
Mtnmd@peds_id_doc @astupple #MDChat OK, is there a way to make it a win/win for
both specialists and primary care? That's how lawyers always win.
CrescendoCG@chukwumaonyeije Agree that Apple does it well, but w/team approach. Ptsseem reluctant 2 embrace team approach to health. Thoughts? #mdchat
astupple@peds_id_doc Hah! I can't pull my foot out of my mouth in 140 characters!#mdchat
peds_id_doc@Mtnmd @astupple #mdchat I would like to think that tech can help PCPs andSpec's communicate better for the good of the patients
apjonas@astupple @peds_id_doc T1 Hugging Warriors have more fun than $ fiends.Dream driven med students will win the day w/pts of like mnd #mdchat
Mtnmd
@CrescendoCG @chukwumaonyeije #MDChat Maybe our leadership is lacking
to show benefits??
chukwumaonyeije@CrescendoCG Team approach works for Apple and will work for medicine.Has to be implemented properly though... #MDCHAT
RichmondDoc@peds_id_doc @astupple I'd qualify your statement by adding ;quot;techdoesn't provide *specialized* knowledge or experience ;quot;... #mdchat
CrescendoCG@chukwumaonyeije Agree! Pts need to understand value. Good communicationis key. #mdchat
RichmondDocT2 The AMA guideline report is helpful, though largely common sense andlargely addressed in other chats and other blogs. #mdchat
Mtnmd#MDChat I see many docs on social media in anonymous mode. Not bad idea
but I C other side of that argument, too. Esp if volatile topics.
peds_id_doc@RichmondDoc @astupple - #mdchat Qualification accepted - that was what Imeant. Twitter is making me too succinct for my own good!
RichmondDoc T2 Seems that most discussion I've heard preceding this AMA announcement was on-target in predicting what concerns might be. #mdchat
apjonas@Mtnmd @peds_id_doc @astupple docs who luv what they do= dream will be
blinder to $ diff and go for helping pts. MS debt in the way #mdchat
peds_id_doc#mdchat T2 was asked just yesty by a pt to friend on FB...not really happy withthat idea.
RichmondDoc
@MD_Chat T2 I'm waiting for the actual document to see if there is any
Mtnmd@RichmondDoc #mdchat I LOVE social media for docs, chance to hear fromdistant colleagues and share positive ideas, chance for improvement
RichmondDoc@peds_id_doc T2 Most of us docs would *not* friend a pt on FB; though OK tohave a practice/professional page for that interaction. #mdchat
EllenRichter Yes I agree RT @RichmondDoc: T2 Seems most discussion I've heard precedingthis AMA announcemt was on-target in predicting concerns. #MDchat
Mtnmd@apjonas @peds_id_doc @astupple #mdchat I think med school should befree, poss w/ service requirement.
RichmondDoc@Mtnmd T2 If we're here, then by definition we think this matters. Next step isto get more docs involved figure out best use. #mdchat
peds_id_doc
#mdchat T2 I've been 'online' for years. Infamous in certain circles...never
anonymous when discussing medical/science stuff chukwumaonyeijeT2: Basically common sense info for newbies. #MDCHAT
RichmondDoc@Mtnmd @apjonas @peds_id_doc @astupple Has been a model proposed thatmed school is free; paid after residency by % of salary yearly #MDchat
peds_id_doc@Mtnmd @apjonas @peds_id_doc @astupple #mdchat My med school WASfree. The perks of growing up in the UK :o)
peds_id_doc@RichmondDoc T2 #mdchat Today was the first time I'd considered setting upa Prof page :-/ My FB is friends, family and fun.
MtnmdRT @SOCIALMEDIAPRO1 A leader leads by example not by Force. Sun Tzu#MDChat
chukwumaonyeijeT2:Don't underestimate the size of the ;quot;next wave ;quot; of MDs to adoptsocial media. Smart phone (non-BB) adoption will set the stage. #MDCHAT
PracticalWisdom
RT @Mtnmd: RT @SOCIALMEDIAPRO1 A leader leads by example not by
Force. Sun Tzu #MDchat
healthewomanIf med sch is free who pays the teachers and who pays for the cadavers?@Mtnmd @apjonas @peds_id_doc @astupple #MDChat
FlipswitchTeens A leader leads by example not by Force. Sun Tzu #MDChat RT @mtnmd: RT@SOCIALMEDIAPRO1
apjonas@peds_id_doc @Mtnmd @astupple a soon to B proposed extension service doccorps will get free med tng, like US military docs.#mdchat
Mtnmd@RichmondDoc @apjonas @peds_id_doc @astupple So if free med school isone agreed solution, that is an easy one to work on. #MDChat
astuppleRT @chukwumaonyeije: T2:Dont underestimate the size of the ;quot;next wave;quot; of MDs to adopt social media. Smart phone will set stage. #mdchat
philbaumann@chukwumaonyeije I'd agree - I think the slow adoption in last few years willflip in near future (primarily due to mobile, etc.) #MDCHAT
peds_id_doc@healthewoman @Mtnmd @apjonas @astupple #MDChat My med school wasmostly paid by the Govt and cadavers were donations - greatly appreciated
RichmondDoc@apjonas T2 I think making a civilian option for med school support coupled
w/ service can work well; Virginia had a program... #mdchat
Mtnmd@apjonas @peds_id_doc @astupple #MDChat That is GREAT! Would love if
we ignored neg press and chose topics of agreement to move on.
RichmondDoc
@apjonas T2 ...that worked like that. However, changed to loan repayment b/c
lots of docs defaulted on the service obligation. #mdchat
apjonas@Mtnmd @RichmondDoc @peds_id_doc @astupple the hcr legislationincludes a doc corps that appeared expandable depending #mdchat
chukwumaonyeije@philbaumann @astupple I see it already. When I used to talk to docs abttwitter I'd get blank stares. No longer. #MDChat
DrSamiLResearchRT @Mtnmd: RT @SOCIALMEDIAPRO1 A leader leads by example not by Force. Sun Tzu #MDChat
Mtnmd #MDChat What do you guys think about Sermo?
astuppleRT @Mtnmd: RT @SOCIALMEDIAPRO1 A leader leads by example not by Force. Sun Tzu ;lt;If some docs aptly apply SM, they will outcompete. #mdchat
PracticalWisdomRT @chukwumaonyeije: @philbaumann @astupple When I used to talk to docsabt twitter Id get blank stares. No longer. #MDchat
healthewoman
@peds_id_doc @Mtnmd @apjonas @astupple taxpayers fund the govt. In the
US the taxpayers wld have to vote to fund med sch #MDChatMtnmd @astupple Spot ON! #MDChat
MD_ChatOur hour is almost up. We'll wrap up in a few minutes, but before we do pleasegive us your parting thoughts. #MDchat
Mtnmd@healthewoman I love the idea of paying percentage of income first few years.Perfect. #MDChat
peds_id_doc
@healthewoman @Mtnmd @apjonas @astupple #mdchat Seems like a no-
brainer, but perhaps I'm seeing it from the persp of docs as public servants
in the UK, Docs are right up alongside teachers- I taught 5 yrs! #mdchat
chukwumaonyeije@astupple LOL. They'll catch on. I remember when my attendings called my palm pilot a ;quot;toy ;quot; #MDCHAT
CrescendoCGRT @RichmondDoc: Social media is going to become a bigger part of doctor/patient communication in practice;we need to figure it out. #mdchat
astuppleRT @RichmondDoc: Final thought: Social media is going to become a biggerpart of doctor/patient comm; we need to figure it out. #mdchat
apjonasSwarming together we can dabble as a solution shop. Can we go radical w/tweets together to define the next health care? Onward #mdchat
peds_id_doc#mdchat I think primary care is going to change in the future - I hope we getmore people out there. Needed for preventative medicine.
MD_ChatOK - Thank you everybody! Great chat. Anyhoo: next #MDchat is next Tues9pm. If you'd like to moderate email: [email protected]
chukwumaonyeije@Mtnmd: @RichmondDoc That was the vibe I got during my short tenure onSermo abt a year ago. Haven't been back but may try again. #MDCHAT
chukwumaonyeijeRT @RichmondDoc: Final thought: Social media is going to become a biggerpart of doctor/patient comm; we need to figure it out. #MDCHAT
astupple Thank you everyone! #mdchat
PracticalWisdomThank you for giving me the opportunity to listen learn. MD_Chat~ShoulderTap You did a great job once again.Good Night. #MDchat
MD_ChatTranscript of tonight's #MDchat will be up by tomorrow morning. If you havetopic suggestions, submit them here: http://tinyurl.com/MDtopic
susangiurleo
RT @chukwumaonyeije: RT @RichmondDoc: Final thought: Social media isgoing to become a bigger part of doctor/patient comm; we need to figure it out.#MDCHAT
EllenRichterInteresting to watch the discussion hear the different opinions about socialmedia medicine. Thanks doctors! Great chat! #MDchat
philbaumannRT @EllenRichter: Interesting to watch the discussion hear the differentopinions about social media medicine. Thanks doctors! Great chat! #MDchat
chukwumaonyeije@astupple Abso-Freekin-Lutely. Him and others... #mdchat
astupple@chukwumaonyeije Cool, I'd love to hear of some others, at your convenience.Christensen has been a game-changer for me. #mdchat