jskelton WatchGeeks Owner True WatchGeek Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 16,215 Real Name: "Diamond Jim" Skelton IMPERIOUS INFO THREAD. Ask questions here >> These Imperious threads are really getting scattered around from subforum to subforum, and can be tough to keep up with. So let's try to keep it all in one thread and we can keep everyone more informed. The images are posted up in the Sneak Peeks forum as you know. http://www.watchgeeks.net/showthread.php?t=118328 Save the "I love it", "I hate it" stuff for another thread, let's keep this one uncluttered. Already we see that this is a fairly polarizing brand Release is set for the 1st Sunday of October. The brand will be exclusive to the WTWJ shows, much how Deep Blue was for so long. Some are already unlocked. Sure you can buy now, and the price WILL go down for the show. You can get a price match within 30 days of purchase, but NO OTHER OFFER (should there be any) can be retroacted... ONLY price. So if you plan to rely on VP's, Buy more, Save More or anything else... wait till the show airs. ================================================== =========================================== Here's a quick breakdown of what the Imperious brand brings to the table: Exclusive to ShopNBC collectors Swiss Made Superluminova for all luminescent material Sapphire crystals Hand finished, hand built in Switzerland Unique designs on the cutting edge with an eye for minute detail All models and variations will be limited production Some select models will be numbered Limited Editions
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IMPERIOUS INFO THREAD. Ask questions here >>
These Imperious threads are really getting scattered around from subforum to subforum, and
can be tough to keep up with. So let's try to keep it all in one thread and we can keep everyone
more informed.
The images are posted up in the Sneak Peeks forum as you know.
http://www.watchgeeks.net/showthread.php?t=118328
Save the "I love it", "I hate it" stuff for another thread, let's keep this one uncluttered. Already
we see that this is a fairly polarizing brand
Release is set for the 1st Sunday of October. The brand will be exclusive to the WTWJ shows,
much how Deep Blue was for so long. Some are already unlocked. Sure you can buy now, and
the price WILL go down for the show. You can get a price match within 30 days of purchase,
but NO OTHER OFFER (should there be any) can be retroacted... ONLY price. So if you plan
to rely on VP's, Buy more, Save More or anything else... wait till the show airs.
==================================================
===========================================
Here's a quick breakdown of what the Imperious brand brings to the table:
Exclusive to ShopNBC collectors
Swiss Made
Superluminova for all luminescent material
Sapphire crystals
Hand finished, hand built in Switzerland
Unique designs on the cutting edge with an eye for minute detail
All models and variations will be limited production
Some select models will be numbered Limited Editions
Because these are hand built watches that are Swiss Made, the production times are outlandish.
Anywhere from 3 months to 9 months for any and all models depending on the complication of
construction and movements selected.
As many of you know, Invicta is backing the brand, but the production is not in current Invicta
factories, and the designer is not an Invicta designer. They do however have the power to
access movements no one else can get (and in quantities no one else typically gets), and has
access to incredible materials and factories. A first time watchmaker is not going to be able to
produce on this level, and do so being able to offer acceptable pricing. Without Invicta, these
watches would realistically sell for about TRIPLE the anticipated prices because of the costs
that would be associated with a new brand trying to offer this type of manufacturing as well as
offering movements like ETA, Sellita, Valjoux etc...
So very clearly stated: Invicta owns the brand and treats it much like S. Coifman... they
own it, but do not run production in any of their "Invicta" factories, different than any
other Invicta owned brand however.... they do not provide the Customer Service, they do
not provide the warranty service. All of this is purely "Imperious", not Invicta. Invicta is
the bank-roll and management, and of course the access point for the movements and
other component sourcing.
There are no shared components (someone said they thought the Gearhead bracelet was the
SAS bracelet... there isn't even a passing resemblence actually).
Imperious is different from the other brands we offer because they are the only Swiss Made
brand that is hand assembled (Invicta's Reserve line is not a full brand, and not all Reserve are
Swiss Made... Renato is Hand Assembled, but not all-Swiss made) and feature Superluminova
as well as Sapphire crystals as standard options. Much like how Renato builds, Imperious will
be sourcing from the best factories for the desired components and assembly. If they use MOP,
they will source from the best MOP suppliers. If they are using gemstones, they will source out
to the best possible gemstone suppliers available to them, and so on.
Will it be the most inexpensive brand at ShopNBC? No, but then again... read the previous
paragraph. We cannot expect completely brand new watches to be priced out at close-out, NOS
pricing we're seeing on 3, 4, and 5 year old Swiss watches on closeout websites. Yes I know
you can get an Accutron V7750 for $600... but only now after they stopped selling and
distributors are losing money to get out from under them. It was an $1800 watch when it was
new...
So if you're looking for a hand assembled, Swiss Made automatic with the level of impeccable
fit & finish that Imperious will be offering.. for $300, then I have to sadly inform you to move
on to another brand. We ALL have become spoiled with opportunity buys over the last 2
years... but that's what they are, opportunity buys.
The Gearhead is a monster. It is heavy, it is thick, the bracelet honestly feels like a weapon, and
the Sapphire top crystal is one of the thickest I have ever seen. They are using premium
movements, are Swiss Made, and WILL be offered on very attractive prices when they actually
air.
So I'll stop there before I get too repetitive. If you have any questions, I'll do my best to answer
them if I know the answer. If I don't, I'll do my best to get you an answer if it is possible.
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What is warranty, and where will CS be? Will there be a Cs rep for Shop customers? As with
anything new I am sure there may be a itch in the beginning, but quality will make up for many
of them.
I can not wait to get one of these fine watches.
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Jim,
Can you give a quick run-down on models, color, movements and anticipated Shop pricing, or is
it too soon for that? Thought I had seem a partial list on the board somewhere, but perhaps the
link to the peeks would be good on this post. Thanks for bringing this together. I look forward to
seeing all the brand has to offer.
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What is warranty, and where will CS be? Will there be a Cs rep for Shop customers? As with
anything new I am sure there may be a itch in the beginning, but quality will make up for many
of them.
I can not wait to get one of these fine watches.
I am checking on warranty duration. I had heard 7 years at one point, but I might have been
mistaken.. so I am asking for you.
I believe CS will be in NY, and since ShopNBC is the exclusive retailer for the brand... yes, the
CS will be ShopNBC-dedicated.
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Jim,
Can you give a quick run-down on models, color, movements and anticipated Shop pricing, or
is it too soon for that? Thought I had seem a partial list on the board somewhere, but perhaps
the link to the peeks would be good on this post. Thanks for bringing this together. I look
forward to seeing all the brand has to offer.
I did list this info in the Sneak Peeks thread actually.
Pricing can't be discussed yet, but I can say that it will make a LOT of nervous folks happy.
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Thanks Jim, can't wait for the show. I see one in my future.
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this may be a reach but is it possible for you to do a interview with imperious people? i think it
would be enlightening to hear from them and their ideas on the watch and brand
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this may be a reach but is it possible for you to do a interview with imperious people? i think it
would be enlightening to hear from them and their ideas on the watch and brand
I don't know if or when this could be a possibility. I can ask of course, but would not expect it
yet. Maybe once the brand has launched into its own dedicated shows (like Deep Blue and V-E
did this past weekend) it might be a better time. For right now, it will be "take what we can get"
placed into my WTWJ shows.
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Are they using top grade 2824-2 or are they Sellita? Will there be any sub 50mm versions?
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Sellita SW200 movements.
There is a smaller Gearhead coming next year, yes.
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Hey Jim, I love the look of the Gearhead and all, but it's a 50+mm watch and that's just too big
for me, so I have 2 questions:
1. Do you currently know if there are any plans to release a Mid-size (43-46mm) Gearhead?
2. Based on other Imperious models that you currently know of that are in production, will they
also debut at 50+mm like the Gearhead or will there be other new models that debut in a smaller
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Hey Jim, I love the look of the Gearhead and all, but it's a 50+mm watch and that's just too
big for me, so I have 2 questions:
1. Do you currently know if there are any plans to release a Mid-size (43-46mm) Gearhead?
2. Based on other Imperious models that you currently know of that are in production, will
they also debut at 50+mm like the Gearhead or will there be other new models that debut in a
smaller size?
1) Answered in post above yours
2) There will be all sorts of sizes depending on model. Some sport models are 50mm+, some are
45mm, some dress models may even dip as low as 42mm possibly. No dress models are being
shown to me yet though, so I can;t say for sure.
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Nice Information Jim, and thank you. My question is about the limited edition. Will the limited
edition be out of 100, 500, 5000 ?
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ALL will be Limited Production.
SOME will be Limited Editions.
I believe all the Gearheads we are seeing right now are simply Limited Production.
Limited Edition models will be more like specialized movements (something like a Valgranges
or something), special materials (like Tungsten or ceramic), or gemstone models.
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Can't wait for the midsize!
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I like the words "tungsten or ceramic".
Any gemstones planned for sure? In combination with tungsten???
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I did list this info in the Sneak Peeks thread actually.
Pricing can't be discussed yet, but I can say that it will make a LOT of nervous folks happy.
That is good news. I really want that rose tone/blue
Thank you Jim.
Look forward to the presentation
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Hi Jim...
Quick question for you, or anyone else who knows if I have missed this info: Beyond noting that
Imperious is owned by Invicta and explaining the relationship they will maintain moving
forward, can you tell us anything about the Imperious folks? Who is running the show there?
What other watch companies have they worked for? Before purchasing any timepiece, I sort of
like to know a little about the pedigree of the brand. In this case since Imperious is new to
everyone, being clued in as to who is designing and selling me a watch might be helpful.
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Can't wait to get the rosetone/blue!! That watch truly is sick!!!!!!!!!!!! Oh well, another couple
of days in the doghouse, bow wow wow, yippy yo yippy yay!!!!
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Imperious will be sourcing from the best factories for the desired components and assembly.
If this is the case & Flame Fusion is superior to Sapphire, why has Imperious gone with
Sapphire crystals?
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Hey Jim
will the model 1010 be available in the Oct.2nd show
Thanks Dave
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Jim,
If you could compare the feeling & weight on the wrist on a I-Gearhead, which watch in the
Invicta line comes close, the SAS?
Thanks, Larry
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How thick is it? It did look massive and heavy on your wrist the other day.
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Hi Jim...
Quick question for you, or anyone else who knows if I have missed this info: Beyond noting
that Imperious is owned by Invicta and explaining the relationship they will maintain moving
forward, can you tell us anything about the Imperious folks? Who is running the show there?
What other watch companies have they worked for? Before purchasing any timepiece, I sort of
like to know a little about the pedigree of the brand. In this case since Imperious is new to
everyone, being clued in as to who is designing and selling me a watch might be helpful.
To put things in perspective... I don't know who designed any of my Omegas, Corum, or
whatever... but I still love them.
A new brand has no pedigree, and must work hard to earn it. I believe that they understand this.
Probably the reason that they waited until everything was perfected before releasing the brand,
and why the launching model is one of their least expensive, simplest designs. They get much
more complex from here (in construction/detail... not necessarily "busier").
I understand and respect your question, but being a new brand... we'll all just have to discover it
together.
As I do with Renato, Invicta and most all of our brands, I do have input into the designs, and
have worked with Imperious since day one heavily to aid in these creations. It does not prevent
me from working with all of my other friends with some of their models though....
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Hey Jim
will the model 1010 be available in the Oct.2nd show
Thanks Dave
I believe every single variation will air on the same day. That's the plan...
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Jim,
If you could compare the feeling & weight on the wrist on a I-Gearhead, which watch in the
Invicta line some close, the SAS?
Thanks, Larry
SAS, SAIV for sure in overall weight.... bracelet is thicker than the SAS bracelet though, so it is
balanced like the SAIV compared to the weight of the case head.
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How thick is it? It did look massive and heavy on your wrist the other day.
About 17mm thick. I don't have calipers here at home (lost in the move, argh!) but it looks to my
eye about 3mm slimmer than my SAIV.
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Jim,
Wanted to ask about the plating procedures & what we should expect, as I have my eye on the
all black with Charcoal grey lume.
I have some concerns with this braclet that the black ip may rub off in between the links?
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I look foward to the show ! You mentioned a 7 year warranty and a CS dept in NY. Will they be servicing
the watches in this country or overseas as Invicta does ?
Thanks again for the info !
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Quick question for you, or anyone else who knows if I have missed this info: Beyond noting that
Imperious is owned by Invicta and explaining the relationship they will maintain moving forward, can
you tell us anything about the Imperious folks? Who is running the show there? What other watch
companies have they worked for? Before purchasing any timepiece, I sort of like to know a little about
the pedigree of the brand. In this case since Imperious is new to everyone, being clued in as to who is
designing and selling me a watch might be helpful.
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To put things in perspective... I don't know who designed any of my Omegas, Corum, or whatever...
but I still love them.
...
I understand and respect your question, but being a new brand... we'll all just have to discover it
together.
As I do with Renato, Invicta and most all of our brands, I do have input into the designs, and have
worked with Imperious since day one heavily to aid in these creations. It does not prevent me from
working with all of my other friends with some of their models though....
Jim, sorry for being so direct, but inquiring minds want to know.
We've all had our suspicions that you are behind the designs, if not the company itself. Outside of
your stated input into the designs (as you've done with other brands), do you have any ownership
interest in the Imperious company/brand?
If you can't provide a clear, direct answer yet, just say so. We're big boys, we can take it.
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who will be representing the brand when they air.
Eyal or michael and sometimes jill sit to represent Invicta. Daniel sits with you during Renato, Wing,
Larry MEgan etc...
who will represnt the Imperious line when they air?
and thank you for being direct and clear about the pricepoints. now maybe we wonthave to hear so
many complaints about how expensive they are.
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Looking forward to the premiere.
Thank you for the continued updates and info.
I understand this question is a little premature,since
the "Gearhead" hasn't even been showcased yet. But,
will other models be avaliable before the end of the year,
or will it be next year before other watches under the "Imperious"
brand debute? Thank You.
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[quote=jskelton;1946294]To put things in perspective... I don't know who designed any of my Omegas,
Corum, or whatever... but I still love them.
A new brand has no pedigree, and must work hard to earn it. I believe that they understand this.
Probably the reason that they waited until everything was perfected before releasing the brand, and
why the launching model is one of their least expensive, simplest designs. They get much more complex
from here (in construction/detail... not necessarily "busier").
I understand and respect your question, but being a new brand... we'll all just have to discover it
together.
As I do with Renato, Invicta and most all of our brands, I do have input into the designs, and have
worked with Imperious since day one heavily to aid in these creations. It does not prevent me from
working with all of my other friends with some of their models though....
Jim thanks for taking the time to answer. I realize there obviously isn't the pedigree of a rich history of
great product like an Omega or Corum level brand and that it will be interesting to see what is released.
They are indeed a new name. That was sort of my concern before taking a leap of faith and purchasing.
For example, would ShopNBC feel better hiring a new director knowing he had previous experience
logging years of live hours at QVC or on the 3am knife and sword shopping channel? Not doubting
anyone's resume and experience but it does add to the enjoyment of the watch, for me anyway. It's
sort of cool to know the names behind the brand. For example Wing is rightfully touted as a visionary
mind within his niche of the market. Everyone knew about Nicolas Hayek/Swatch. I feel I am constantly
getting updates as to different watch company events, and looking at pictures of employees at said
events.
I am in no way trying to push an issue. The folks behind Imperious might wish to remain anonymous at
this point. I don't buy a watch for a brand name, but when one purchases a watch they certainly are
buying into the brand. I was just trying to do some homework before spending some cash.
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Jim,
Wanted to ask about the plating procedures & what we should expect, as I have my eye on the all
black with Charcoal grey lume.
I have some concerns with this braclet that the black ip may rub off in between the links?
As you'll see when they are presented, each individual component is plated, then the bracelet is
assembled. This eliminates the gap in plating that is common.
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I look foward to the show ! You mentioned a 7 year warranty and a CS dept in NY. Will they be
servicing the watches in this country or overseas as Invicta does ?
Thanks again for the info !
As of right now, I am being told it will indeed be One Year.
Service will be in Switzerland for anything major, but I believe they will be staffing a watchmaker for the
really minor stuff.
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Jim, sorry for being so direct, but inquiring minds want to know.
We've all had our suspicions that you are behind the designs, if not the company itself. Outside of
your stated input into the designs (as you've done with other brands), do you have any ownership
interest in the Imperious company/brand?
If you can't provide a clear, direct answer yet, just say so. We're big boys, we can take it.
I have NO OWNERSHIP whatsoever.
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who will be representing the brand when they air.
Eyal or michael and sometimes jill sit to represent Invicta. Daniel sits with you during Renato, Wing,
Larry MEgan etc...
who will represnt the Imperious line when they air?
and thank you for being direct and clear about the pricepoints. now maybe we wonthave to hear so
many complaints about how expensive they are.
It will air exclusively in the WTWJ shows, so there will be no guest (much how we aired Deep Blue all
year). I expect the popularity of the brand to require us to move them to a dedicated show very quickly
though... then we'll have a guest.
Quote:
Originally Posted by wrist art
Looking forward to the premiere.
Thank you for the continued updates and info.
I understand this question is a little premature,since
the "Gearhead" hasn't even been showcased yet. But,
will other models be avaliable before the end of the year,
or will it be next year before other watches under the "Imperious"
brand debute? Thank You.
I really hope that we see at least one more model before the end of the year, but I don't know that we
will. The Man Of War and Undercurrent are close to completion. The Undercurrent will be considerably
more expensive than the Gearhead due to a very complex design and build. The Man of War should be
about in-line or slightly more than the Gearhead.
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To be honest, I'm not comfortable with the 1 year warranty coverage.
I know several other brands do 1 yr too but at $300+, plus a totally new company with unproven
grounds, I don't think one year of warranty is enough to give a potential buyer the peace of mind one
needs when spending this much over any watch.
I'm hoping to pick up the silvertone SW200 but knowing Invicta had their share of bad batches of this
specific movement, the same can happen with Imperious. 1 year DOESN'T cut it for a automatic watch
that's Swiss Made and costs over $500 with a third party company like ShopNBC doing CS .
Based on this alone, I'm now thinking of bailing out on the brand, seeing their reliability/CS trend and
then revisiting them later on.
It's funny we never think about warranty coverage till something breaks and one has to deal with the
experience. I've had this happen with my venom and the Invicta CS left a bad taste in my mouth but
thankfully, my local jeweler was able to fix the minor crown pusher issue for cheap.
I'd hate to spend $XXX on a brand new company only to be left in deep water in 13 months from now
when I find the movement has failed and it will cost me the same amount to fix it.
Just my 2c and I've owned a lot of automatics (and have had my share of issues too).
I'd have expected at least 2 yrs of manufacturer coverage on this.
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Do you expect the Imperious brand to be a brand that is planning on producing many different styles of
timepieces or do you think they are going to kindof be one certain style like aggressive dive watches. I
am really excited about this brand and am excited that you have some input on designing the watches.
Also are they planning on putting out one with a 7750 or the new myota movement coming out.
Maybe oneday you should start your own watch company! Thanks for all your hard work
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Jim, I know that a direct interview with imperious was addressed. Would it be possible, or make
sense, to have a video made about the company which could cover, for example, their processes for
designing, manufacturing and quality control? It could be posted on the Shop website with a link
here. Could be a good informative promotional for their line.
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Jim, I know that a direct interview with imperious was addressed. Would it be possible, or make
sense, to have a video made about the company which could cover, for example, their processes for
designing, manufacturing and quality control? It could be posted on the Shop website with a link
here. Could be a good informative promotional for their line.
That would be very, very expensive to do.
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Imperious will be sourcing from the best factories for the desired components and assembly.
If this is the case & Flame Fusion is superior to Sapphire, why has Imperious gone with Sapphire
crystals?
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Hopefully , they can afford a website with this information.
" their processes for designing, manufacturing and quality control?"
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If this is the case & Flame Fusion is superior to Sapphire, why has Imperious gone with Sapphire
crystals?
While I know that this was a snide remark, I'll still answer it...
Flame-Fusion is a registered name for Invicta and will appear in Invicta watches.
Imperious, while owned by Invicta, is not built in Invicta's factories, and is not simply an off-shoot brand
of Invicta. I did try to clarify this in my initial post.
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If this is the case & Flame Fusion is superior to Sapphire, why has Imperious gone with Sapphire
crystals?
Where did you get that FF is 'superior' than Sapphire? Don't you think if this was truly the case, the
REAL Swiss brands like Rolex, Tag, Breitling will all be dishing sapphire and replacing it with their own
versions of FF .
Let me tell you this...sapphire is MORE expensive than FF to start off with. You CANNOT buy a watch
under $300 with sapphire (crystal thickness also counts) but you can get a $100 Invicta with FF.
FF is nothing more than what Invicta is feeding the public. Apart from Eyal/Mike, I doubt anyone else
really knows how its made and what real components it uses (hey, it could be a mineral crystal with
sapphire coating intertwined in a 200 word description with words like 'fused at a molecular level'.
Trust me....FF is NOT superior than Sapphire (definitely better than plain mineral, yes but that's about
it). Same stands for Tritnite against Superluminova.
But I take FF for what's for and I'm glad Invicta is using it cos it not, then forget about picking up any
Invicta under $500. I'm new to the forum BUT not new to the brand. The early days of Invicta were all
about SL and Sapphire and back then, the pricing wasn't near anything than to what we are used to
right now (i.e. paying $200-$400 for premium models). The move to Tritnite and FF were a marketing
ploy by Invicta to be more cost efficient to combat the blue collar economy.
As far as Imperious, I wish them good luck. I've always supported boutique brands too (owned both a
Boshcett and Benarus back in my days) and I hope Imperious can only learn from such small companies
YET delivering outstanding products and customer service.
My 2c.
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This will not be another "ff vs the world" bickering thread.
Let's please nudge this thread back on topic....
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^ Sorry Jim. I won't bring it up anymore.
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Ok Jim .. Back on topic!
I found a bad description in the shops website today about the gearhead.
You know how you get irrate at your production staff for calling green blue, or what have you? Check
this right from the site
"Highly textured and ornate, this Imperious will make a vivid impression! The round stainless steel case
displays a smooth gliding unidirectional rotating bezel with a raised diver's scale. This bezel was
designed after a ring and pinion gear set from an engine. A special exhibition case back reveals the
Imperious custom movement from within."
Last time I checked.. My engine dint have a ring and pinion gear set .My Dana 60 Rear end does though.
Unless you are talking the Wenkel Rotar, but thats way out there
Just saying you might want to correct this.
I am Cheering this design on.. much like the ones I had sketched out years back, I like the use of that
gear as a bezel.. and of course, I am kinda joking about the site.
Looking forward to next Sunday when I get four hours of my Favorite sit-com..WTWJ
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Jim last night while sound asleep I dreamed you gave me a green dial Imperious Gearhead
Chronograph.
I was just wondering when I might be expecting it?
Actually what I would like to know is-
How much does the Gearhead weigh?
What other ShopNBC watches that are already out would you say it wears like?
Similar to that does it feel like it wears the same, larger, or smaller then its measured size.
For those that prefer straps in warmer weather with larger watches, what type of strap do you think
would look nice with this watch?
Take Care,
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While I know that this was a snide remark, I'll still answer it...
Flame-Fusion is a registered name for Invicta and will appear in Invicta watches.
Imperious, while owned by Invicta, is not built in Invicta's factories, and is not simply an off-shoot
brand of Invicta. I did try to clarify this in my initial post.
Thank you.
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Let me ask, can we extend the current one year warranty. I know you said this watch has Reserve
qualities to it .
Seems logical - as you mentioned they aren't cheap designs. That part is fine , but the warranty should
coincide with the cost. I'd say a five year and abilities to extend it to 7 would be nice.
I'm just trying to justify buying one when other companies have top level builds and five yr warranties.
You said 7 at first, that caught my attention!
I'd suggest they give that option at minimum. thanks-
I like my FF Chrystal's .......
So far , they've held up nicely. My Black Russian Terrier has bitten into my San3 without it taking any
damage. My Rottweiler pup has also and her little needle teeth aren't hurting it either?
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Jim good morning,
I have really only one question regarding imperious on your show this coming Sunday. I see on the shop
website you can place orders already for imperious and the SW2000 silvertone gearhead seems to be
sold out already from what I can see. Is shopnbc going to be holding some quantity back so that they
are not sold out prior to your unveiling of the brand October 2nd?
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I believe Shopnbc has locked them out so they don't pre sell out. I don't think they will unlock any new
models until airing so we all get the same chance at them.
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Ok Jim .. Back on topic!
I found a bad description in the shops website today about the gearhead.
You know how you get irrate at your production staff for calling green blue, or what have you? Check
this right from the site
"Highly textured and ornate, this Imperious will make a vivid impression! The round stainless steel
case displays a smooth gliding unidirectional rotating bezel with a raised diver's scale. This bezel was
designed after a ring and pinion gear set from an engine. A special exhibition case back reveals the
Imperious custom movement from within."
Last time I checked.. My engine dint have a ring and pinion gear set .My Dana 60 Rear end does
though. Unless you are talking the Wenkel Rotar, but thats way out there
Just saying you might want to correct this.
I am Cheering this design on.. much like the ones I had sketched out years back, I like the use of that
gear as a bezel.. and of course, I am kinda joking about the site.
Looking forward to next Sunday when I get four hours of my Favorite sit-com..WTWJ
Joe
Good catch... my head is shaking too I have notified the team to have this corrected.
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Jim last night while sound asleep I dreamed you gave me a green dial Imperious Gearhead
Chronograph.
I was just wondering when I might be expecting it?
Actually what I would like to know is-
How much does the Gearhead weigh?
What other ShopNBC watches that are already out would you say it wears like?
Similar to that does it feel like it wears the same, larger, or smaller then its measured size.
For those that prefer straps in warmer weather with larger watches, what type of strap do you think
would look nice with this watch?
Take Care,
mtbkndad
I have not weighed it, but it FEELS similar to wearing a SAS in weight and balance. Actually, the bracelet
is heavier, so maybe a bit better balanced even.
It wears larger than it is, so be prepared for a monster on the wrist.
Enjoy the dream... and yes... it was only a dream!
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Let me ask, can we extend the current one year warranty. I know you said this watch has Reserve
qualities to it .
Seems logical - as you mentioned they aren't cheap designs. That part is fine , but the warranty should
coincide with the cost. I'd say a five year and abilities to extend it to 7 would be nice.
I'm just trying to justify buying one when other companies have top level builds and five yr warranties.
You said 7 at first, that caught my attention!
I'd suggest they give that option at minimum. thanks-
I like my FF Chrystal's .......
So far , they've held up nicely. My Black Russian Terrier has bitten into my San3 without it taking any
damage. My Rottweiler pup has also and her little needle teeth aren't hurting it either?
There appears to be no extension offering.
Honestly, while we all would probably prefer a longer warranty, you can go spend $50,000 on several
brands (and more) and get a 1 or 2 year warranty, so this is not that out of place. We're all just used to
hearing more years because the brands offered on Shop offer them.
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Jim good morning,
I have really only one question regarding imperious on your show this coming Sunday. I see on the
shop website you can place orders already for imperious and the SW2000 silvertone gearhead seems
to be sold out already from what I can see. Is shopnbc going to be holding some quantity back so that
they are not sold out prior to your unveiling of the brand October 2nd?
"Sold Out" is how we are able to lock items so an item does not sell out pre-show. They will unlock just
prior to, or at the beginning of the show.
Speaking of which.....
I just got a notice that my 4 hour WTWJ show this weekend is ALL Invicta to celebrate their Anniversary,
so Imperious cannot be aired in this show as originally planned.
And the following night is "watch gifts" (which means a certain low-level price point), so they cannot air
in there as the prices are too high.
3 different airdates are being tossed around, one for certain is the following Monday, October 11th. We
know 2-4 of them WILL air then, the decision is to see if the others will, or if they will air in a later show.
Sorry for the confusion, but events overlapping other events make changes come suddenly and often...
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thanks for the heads up also helps the spending a little bit now i can put off the imperious fora week
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No gearhead this weekend kinda bummed me out. it was what i was looking forward too
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I'm in a holding pattern too. I straight up love the green dial Imperious - but a one year-
Makes me at minimum wait awhile. He mentioned 50,000.00 watches like people with that kind
of money to blow cannot afford a repair. Not grasping that logic whatsoever.
Money is all relative.
Hyundai offers a 10/100,000 warranty and guess what they are capturing market share - like
CRAZY.
Honda is proven- Toyota is proven-
Chevrolet offers a 5/100 warranty to get people back to their brand. All these cars are under
50k!
A watch warranty of two years at minimum would make some sense. - I'll pass until they are
like Honda or BMW.
Proven or warranty it. Simple business 101.
Proven means you've been at it awhile - Honda-Toyota -BMW
Warranty it means they are proud of what they make (now)- Hyundai - Chevy -----
I'm with you on rubba San4's....sweet.
You did not seriously just try to make an argument using Hyundai and TOYOTA as examples
did you???
Once again, there are a TON of brands out there with one and two year warrantees, it's your
money, and it's up to you to spend it on what you want... go for it, but there's no need to post
about what you're NOT buying honestly... that's just spinning your wheels and being negative.
This is an info thread, please reference my initial post. I will leave these comments for today,
and remove them later as they are simply cluttering up the thread...
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Is there any reason for the secrecy behind Imperious?
Can we not just get the information that has been asked about the brand in regards to who
actually is Imperious? Who is doing the warranty work? I noticed in another thread Brooklyn
NY was mentioned in regards to warranty work but who in Brooklyn?
Come on Jim, secrecy at times is good but with the higher end pricing of this brand and with as
you said before an unproven pedigree I am sure many would like to know just what and who
they might be working with before placing an order.
Can we please get the company information on Imperious without buying and reading the
paperwork that comes with the watch.
Please?
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10-02-2010, 04:27 PM
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Is there any reason for the secrecy behind Imperious?
Can we not just get the information that has been asked about the brand in regards to who
actually is Imperious? Who is doing the warranty work? I noticed in another thread Brooklyn
NY was mentioned in regards to warranty work but who in Brooklyn?
Come on Jim, secrecy at times is good but with the higher end pricing of this brand and with
as you said before an unproven pedigree I am sure many would like to know just what and
who they might be working with before placing an order.
Can we please get the company information on Imperious without buying and reading the
paperwork that comes with the watch.
Please?
What secrecy?
The brand has not even debuted yet. I don't have all the info. And asking the same question over
and over, with undertones of "conspiracy" doesn't change that.
When the brand actually debuts, becomes available, is shown in public... then I will have more
info for everyone I'm sure.
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10-02-2010, 08:03 PM
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Hi Jim,
I just saw a post from another member essentially asking the same thing I did earlier in this
thread. You responded to my initial post, but it still leaves my inquiry unanswered. I can assure
you I don't have any "undertones of conspiracy" in mind here. I'm not even sure what that refers
to: it's just a watch. I am simply trying to determine what the deal is with the Imperious
company. Who are they Imperious folks? Have they had experience working for high end watch
companies? Do they have experience making plastic Barbie watches for little girls? Somewhere
in between? The company is brand new, and I honestly don't think I can act on blind faith and
spend a decent chunk of change on an unproven name knowing nothing about who made my
watch. I might be alone in thinking that way, but a few hundred bucks is still a few hundred
bucks.
Again, I am in no way trying to push an issue if this is touchy for whatever reason. The folks
behind Imperious might wish to remain anonymous at this point. I don't buy a watch for a brand
name, but when one purchases a watch they certainly are buying into the brand. I was just trying
to do some homework before spending some cash.
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10-03-2010, 12:32 PM
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GodofThunder,
This does seem to be a touchy issue and I really can't understand why.
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10-03-2010, 12:39 PM
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Hi Jim,
I just saw a post from another member essentially asking the same thing I did earlier in this
thread. You responded to my initial post, but it still leaves my inquiry unanswered. I can
assure you I don't have any "undertones of conspiracy" in mind here. I'm not even sure what
that refers to: it's just a watch. I am simply trying to determine what the deal is with the
Imperious company. Who are they Imperious folks? Have they had experience working for
high end watch companies? Do they have experience making plastic Barbie watches for little
girls? Somewhere in between? The company is brand new, and I honestly don't think I can act
on blind faith and spend a decent chunk of change on an unproven name knowing nothing
about who made my watch. I might be alone in thinking that way, but a few hundred bucks is
still a few hundred bucks.
Again, I am in no way trying to push an issue if this is touchy for whatever reason. The folks
behind Imperious might wish to remain anonymous at this point. I don't buy a watch for a
brand name, but when one purchases a watch they certainly are buying into the brand. I was
just trying to do some homework before spending some cash.
I get what you're saying, but all I can answer is "I don't know" because the info simply isn't
there.
When renato first came out, no one knew who they were. The ones who say they do aren't
correct... they may have erroneously connected Daniel Mink to the "Daniel Mink" brand of
watches... but that was Daniel's parents (he was a young child when the brand came about), and
he had nothing to do with them.
Yet renato has been extremely successful, has delivered an excellent product, and most everyone
here owns one or more.
ShopNBC is not going to put up a product on the air that is not quality enough to match up to
the prices charged. Before YOU take a leap of faith, WE at the network had to take a leap of
faith... and we don't do that easily.
For those that want the watches, have heard from members here who bought early and are
PRAISING them, and want to get a unique piece... buy a Gearhead.
For those on the other side of the fence.. sit back and wait for more reviews to come in. You'll
soon see why this is such an exciting brand. Forget the fact that I am putting my own name
behind it, referring it so highly (this obviously means nothing to you)... trust in other WG
members when they react to their purchases.
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10-03-2010, 08:06 PM
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I get what you're saying, but all I can answer is "I don't know" because the info simply isn't
there.
When renato first came out, no one knew who they were. The ones who say they do aren't
correct... they may have erroneously connected Daniel Mink to the "Daniel Mink" brand of
watches... but that was Daniel's parents (he was a young child when the brand came about),
and he had nothing to do with them.
Yet renato has been extremely successful, has delivered an excellent product, and most
everyone here owns one or more.
ShopNBC is not going to put up a product on the air that is not quality enough to match up to
the prices charged. Before YOU take a leap of faith, WE at the network had to take a leap of
faith... and we don't do that easily.
For those that want the watches, have heard from members here who bought early and are
PRAISING them, and want to get a unique piece... buy a Gearhead.
For those on the other side of the fence.. sit back and wait for more reviews to come in. You'll
soon see why this is such an exciting brand. Forget the fact that I am putting my own name
behind it, referring it so highly (this obviously means nothing to you)... trust in other WG
members when they react to their purchases.
Jim- again, thanks for taking the time to answer. The launch of any new watch brand is exciting
to hear about, no matter what it is. Variety is what makes this hobby so great. Unfortunately, I
am going to have to respectfully remain on the other side of that fence and wait for some
reputation or reviews to build before and if I decide to buy down the road.
I realize ShopNBC is not going to start a relationship with a brand if they thought the quality
was lousy. Makes perfect sense. My concern was with the experience of the people making these
watches, and how that experience will relate to the Imperious product so I can make an educated
guess as to what to expect. I don't even care what their names are. You said you don't know the
answer to the basic "who is running the show at Imperious" question and that the answers are
not there yet. However, wouldn't ShopNBC know who they are entering into business with? You
said you had your hand in influencing some of the design elements (which must be very cool to
do), so wouldn't one surmise you would have been in contact with the Imperious folks to do so?
To say that referring the brand so highly to us "obviously means nothing" to me feels like a
negative statement. Hoping I read into that incorrectly. At the end of the day, I am the consumer.
You are the watch salesman. As the consumer, I wanted to know a bit about the background of
what I wanted to purchase, so I asked you in a thread set up for gathering intel on this new
brand. This is also your house, so if I pushed the issue I apologize.
I do appreciate you taking time to reply to my inquiry. If I stirred any pot, that was
unintentional. I've got to put it to rest for myself though. There are other things to wonder about
in the world. To all who purchase, enjoy. I wouldn't care about any of this if it didn't look like a
interesting watch.
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10-03-2010, 09:13 PM
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Release is set for the 1st Sunday of October.
I watched your show today and somehow missed the premiere of the Imperious Gear Head
watch collection. So what happended?
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10-03-2010, 09:15 PM
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I watched your show today and somehow missed the premiere of the Imperious Gear Head
watch collection. So what happended?
Jim posted this on September 28th. in this thread.
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I just got a notice that my 4 hour WTWJ show this weekend is ALL Invicta to celebrate their
Anniversary, so Imperious cannot be aired in this show as originally planned.
And the following night is "watch gifts" (which means a certain low-level price point), so they
cannot air in there as the prices are too high.
3 different airdates are being tossed around, one for certain is the following Monday, October
11th. We know 2-4 of them WILL air then, the decision is to see if the others will, or if they will
air in a later show.
Sorry for the confusion, but events overlapping other events make changes come suddenly and
often...
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10-03-2010, 10:03 PM
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Thanks Brad
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Hey Jim, I had a couple of questions about the MID Size Gearhead. I am not a fan of watches
bigger than 46mm. I tried 1 or 2 invictas in that size and i just can't do it. However i was
enamored buy the Gearhead and just recently ordered it. It should arrive tomorrow however i
ordered it and didn't even see this thread and that you mentioned their will be a smaller sized
Gearhead. So here go my questions.
1. Will they offer the same Quartz Chrono Gearhead in silver with the Black face?
2. Do you have an idea of exactly when this midsize will be offered and if in fact Imperious is
still going forward with doing a midsize version.
3. When do we get to see the sneak peek shots of those two new models you mentioned in an
earlier post?
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