IEEE/Industry Applications Society/Technical Book Coordinating Committee Protection & Coordination Working Group (IAS/TBCC/3004 WG) P3004.8 “Recommended Practice for Motor Protection in Industrial and Commercial Power Systems” Working Group Meeting July 28, 2015 –WEB only Approved Minutes Issued July 29, 2015; Approved October 20, 2015; Published January 25, 2016 Chair Lorraine Padden called the meeting to order at 8:00 a.m. on July 28, 2015 at WEB online meeting. Agenda: A motion was made by David Bredhold and seconded by Jim Crook to approve the agenda. Meeting agenda was approved. Meeting Attendees: (See Attachment) Attendees were introduced on the WEB/telecon and attendance was taken. Minutes The minutes of the previous meeting June 23, 2015 were posted online and votes were taken of the voting members in person/web and using the ePoll feature of IEEE 3004.8 mentor site. A motion was made by David Bredhold and seconded by Jim Bryan to approve the minutes. They were unanimously approved. The minutes and will be posted to the mentor site. IEEE Patent Slides The IEEE Patent Slides were reviewed. No patent issues were brought forward by anyone in attendance. PAR Scope, Purpose and Schedule Working Group was asked if there were any questions regarding the Par Scope, Purpose and Schedule. The proposed detailed schedule for completion was reviewed. The WG will work toward meeting this schedule, recognizing it is fairly fast. Working Group Schedule to completion mid-2016: Solicit Copyrights –June 21, 2015 – complete July 28, 2015 Get final Figures and jpg files Working Group meeting to resolve WG comments (half day Web meeting) July 28 Send out for Working Group Vote & Comment August 15 – complete September 15 MEC with IEEE; send August 15 Invitation to Ballot; send August 15 Working Group meeting to resolve WG comments (all day onsite/Web meeting) October 20 If all goes well…Formal Ballot – November 1 to December 1 Resolve comments – January 26, 2016 Recirculate – February 15 to March 15 Submit 3004.8 to RevCom by April 15 Publish by mid-2016.
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IEEE/Industry Applications Society/Technical Book Coordinating Committee Protection & Coordination Working Group (IAS/TBCC/3004 WG) P3004.8 “Recommended Practice for Motor Protection in Industrial and Commercial Power Systems” Working Group Meeting July 28, 2015 –WEB only Approved Minutes Issued July 29, 2015; Approved October 20, 2015; Published January 25, 2016 Chair Lorraine Padden called the meeting to order at 8:00 a.m. on July 28, 2015 at WEB online meeting. Agenda: A motion was made by David Bredhold and seconded by Jim Crook to approve the agenda. Meeting agenda was approved. Meeting Attendees: (See Attachment) Attendees were introduced on the WEB/telecon and attendance was taken. Minutes The minutes of the previous meeting June 23, 2015 were posted online and votes were taken of the voting members in person/web and using the ePoll feature of IEEE 3004.8 mentor site. A motion was made by David Bredhold and seconded by Jim Bryan to approve the minutes. They were unanimously approved. The minutes and will be posted to the mentor site. IEEE Patent Slides The IEEE Patent Slides were reviewed. No patent issues were brought forward by anyone in attendance. PAR Scope, Purpose and Schedule Working Group was asked if there were any questions regarding the Par Scope, Purpose and Schedule. The proposed detailed schedule for completion was reviewed. The WG will work toward meeting this schedule, recognizing it is fairly fast. Working Group Schedule to completion mid-2016:
Solicit Copyrights –June 21, 2015 – complete July 28, 2015 Get final Figures and jpg files Working Group meeting to resolve WG comments (half day Web meeting) July 28 Send out for Working Group Vote & Comment August 15 – complete September 15 MEC with IEEE; send August 15 Invitation to Ballot; send August 15 Working Group meeting to resolve WG comments (all day onsite/Web meeting)
October 20 If all goes well…Formal Ballot – November 1 to December 1 Resolve comments – January 26, 2016 Recirculate – February 15 to March 15 Submit 3004.8 to RevCom by April 15 Publish by mid-2016.
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IEEE/Industry Applications Society/Technical Book Coordinating Committee Protection & Coordination Working Group (IAS/TBCC/3004 WG) P3004.8 “Recommended Practice for Motor Protection in Industrial and Commercial Power Systems” Working Group Meeting July 28, 2015 –WEB only NOTE: to vote on this standard, sign up in myProject, respond to the invitation to ballot, and respond to formal ballot – vote & comment. (see mentor site) Old Business • Review Task List (see attached) The Task List was updated as needed. See attached. The most significant items outstanding are:
Lisa Perry and Rasheek Rifaat submitted the PAR extension request prior to the October 20 deadline for the NecCom’s December meeting. The PAR was given a two-year extension to December 2016.
• Copyrights; NEMA, API, & IEEE
A list of the copyrights needed for the standard was prepared on the form posted to the IEEE 3000 series mentor page. (see attached)
Lorraine Padden will prepare drafts of the Copyright forms and send requests to the company representatives for completion of the documents. The requests for copyrights should be sent out by August 10. (The signed forms should be in pdf format and returned via email.)
Lisa Perry indicated that the copyrights should be in hand before the Mandatory Editorial Comments.
A meeting with Jim Bryan & Lorraine Padden was held July 2 to finalize the NEMA copyright request. The request was sent July 2.
Lorraine contacted Duane Brown at API regarding the vibration tables for 541. Their legal department approved the standard in December. Copyright requests can be sent.
• Review DC ASD Motor Protection, Clause 11; (decide if material will be added)
Jim Bryan will lead an effort to add material for this section with support from Chuck Yung and Mike Thomasson. A web meeting has been scheduled for August 11 at 1:00 pm Texas time.
IEEE/Industry Applications Society/Technical Book Coordinating Committee Protection & Coordination Working Group (IAS/TBCC/3004 WG) P3004.8 “Recommended Practice for Motor Protection in Industrial and Commercial Power Systems” Working Group Meeting July 28, 2015 –WEB only • Review 12.2 Class II
Nothing new was available for this section. From the January & July meetings, Mike Thomasson has some contacts for Class II applications and will inquire if they can provide input for this document.
• Review Annex C; (move material or delete)
The Table C.1 was moved to section 6 and made normative; however there was extensive discussion on this topic and the Table was modified. The table was then moved back to Table D.1 and included in the examples section. A vote of the WG members was taken regarding whether to include only 1.0 SF or include 1.15 SF also. The majority supporting including the 1.15 SF in the Table D.1.
• Examples Padden & Ransom; consider C37.96 & synchronous including & expanding with TCC curves
Dan Ransom and Lorraine Padden and Sirak Belayneh will review and develop a couple examples for proposed inclusion in the document. A meeting was planned for July 29, 2015 10:00 am Texas Time.
Next Meetings The next meetings were planned as follows: Web mini-meeting for Wednesday July 29, 2015. (purpose, prepare two examples for the draft Annex D.) 10:00 am Houston Time Web mini-meeting for Tuesday, August 11, 2015. (purpose, discuss adding material for DC ASDs using the notes in the Task List.) 1:00 pm Houston Time Houston & Web meeting for Tuesday October 20, 2015. (purpose, Working Group ballot comment resolution) Full day; 8:00 am – 4:00 pm Houston Time A motion to adjourn was made by David Bredhold and seconded by Jeff Henlsey. Motion unanimously approved. The Meeting adjourned at 10:45 a.m. Lorraine K. Padden, Chair, IEEE P3004.8 Attachments: 3004.8 Task List, Meeting Attendees, & copyright list
IEEE/Industry Applications Society/Technical Book Coordinating Committee Protection & Coordination Working Group (IAS/TBCC/3004 WG) P3004.8 “Recommended Practice for Motor Protection in Industrial and Commercial Power Systems” Working Group Meeting July 28, 2015 –WEB only
3004.8 TASK LIST
Section No. Description Lead/Group
General
Yellow highlights-references to old Buff book – decide if we reference old book and/or new standards that are in development. Same for other Color Book references.
- Are they needed - If so is there new reference - If not, keep old reference
Paul Cardinal Lorraine Padden
5.13 Fixed Capacitor; add equation & source Check email-lkp Equation added to Annex E; need source
Jim Bryan
8.4.4.5.4 Add NEMA vibration table, copyright; (put in Table form & jpg form)(meeting July 2 am) Jim Bryan; Padden
Get with Kurt LeDoux on LV ASD application- request made by lkp- December meeting
Lorraine Padden
Get with Michael Noonan for LV ASD applications, December meeting
Lorraine Padden
GE Example, Bharat Mistry Lorraine Padden Check, overcurrent, overvoltage, undervoltage Lorraine Padden
Send Copyright-release to WG members/post on mentor site Lorraine Padden
8.4.4.5.4
Check with Barry Wood to see if API standards discuss ASD applications; - telecon June 13, 2013 Sent emails – follow-up w/API September 2014; December Duane Brown got approval from API Legal API 541-2014 released.
Lorraine Padden
11 DC ASD motor protection – plan for July 2015 Overspeed; field loss; centrifugal switch & tach feedback; armature overcurrent; thermal protectionWeb meeting August 11; 1 pm Texas Time
Chris Heron, John Kay, Jim Bryan, Chuck Yung Mike Thomasson
IEEE/Industry Applications Society/Technical Book Coordinating Committee Protection & Coordination Working Group (IAS/TBCC/3004 WG) P3004.8 “Recommended Practice for Motor Protection in Industrial and Commercial Power Systems” Working Group Meeting July 28, 2015 –WEB only
Section No. Description Lead/Group
3004.8 Figures 46, 47, 48, 50
Update Figures as detailed on drawings & text below John Kay
C37 Fig. 39 3004.8 - 46
Prepare new C37 Fig. 39, ASD Zones of protection; added to D3.6; updated 3/2014; update December 2014 use Dev. 11; keep 87M & 49; 3004.8 Fig. 46
John Kay
C37 Fig. 40 3004.8 - 47
Update Figure with transformer protection; update CT symbols Consult w/David Shipp on Transformer secondary configuration (ungrounded delta MV) and protection needed
Lorraine Padden
C37 Fig. 41 3004.8 - 47
Update Fig. 41 to show internal protection matching Fig. 39; match symbols – December 2014
John Kay
C37 Fig. 44 3004.8 - 46
Prepare V/Hz figure; added to D3.6; updated 3/2014; for V nominal – delete “nominal” John Kay
GE Bently-Nevada, vibration section; included in D3.6; need CR Provide updated text on vibration; provide references for stator monitor; provide pictures in jpeg, get CRights
Lorraine Padden
9.3.3 Request Working Group copy of IEEE C57.110 Perry/Padden
9.3.7
Need to add information for MV multiple motors,
Jeff will send example to David. David will prepare 1-line for draft.
Jeff Hensley, John Kay, Jim Crook, David Bredhold>
Ask for a Web session with Lisa Perry on how to sign up in myProject so the Working Group can get invite and ballot. Full “how to” session on sign up and ballot process.
Perry/Padden
9 PSP – request to use material from other standards; copyright release(meeting July 29 at 10 am Texas time)
Dan Ransom; Padden
Examples Develop Synchronous & induction motor protection example for inclusion in Annex(meeting July 29 at 10 am Texas time))
Dan Ransom, Padden, Sirak Belayneth
IEEE/Industry Applications Society/Technical Book Coordinating Committee Protection & Coordination Working Group (IAS/TBCC/3004 WG) P3004.8 “Recommended Practice for Motor Protection in Industrial and Commercial Power Systems” Working Group Meeting July 28, 2015 –WEB only
Fig. 21 Redraw Figure to correct IOC Padden and Dan Ransom
10.2, Fig 51 Draw figure for LV DC motor protection Jim Crook
12 Class II
Week of July 27 Mike Thomasson
IEEE/Industry Applications Society/Technical Book Coordinating Committee Protection & Coordination Working Group (IAS/TBCC/3004 WG) P3004.8 “Recommended Practice for Motor Protection in Industrial and Commercial Power Systems” Working Group Meeting July 28, 2015 –WEB only Section No. Completed Task Description Lead/Group
General Check on VT or PT or both – VT, voltage (potential) transformer, add to abbreviations
Lorraine Padden
Fig 25 & 26 Prepare new Figures; added to D3.6; updated 3/2014 John Kay
Fig 27 Prepare bypass Figures for ASD; added to D3.6; updated 3/2014 John Kay
9.3.8.2 Partial discharge; Annex added to D3.6 from Renforth information; needs CR & review
Chris Heron, Macolm Seltzer-Grant
12.2 Class II; material from Singh added D3.6 for review
Chris Heron, Manish Singh
6.5.1 MV multifunction relay (move to end); Figures reviewed 3/25/2014 meeting; updated; added D3.7 David Bredhold
Annex B Insert Table of IEEE device numbers; added D3.6; John Kay
6.3.2 Fig. 2
Change direction of arrow, single-phasing diagram & change to 115% Jim Bryan
C37 Fig. 39 Conduct ePoll to determine if Working Group wants to use device 50/51 or device 11 – use Dev. 11; keep 87M & 49
Lorraine Padden
C37 Fig. 43 Update Fig 43 bypass Figures for ASD; show block diagram; use CT symbol; show NO/NC contacts with interlocks for bypass; show Dev 11 (Jim Crook complete May 2014)
John Kay, Jim Crook
References
Request Working Group copies from IEEE, Lisa Perry, for the reference documents and new 3000 series documents so we can clean up the references throughout the document – requested April 2014 (Perry posted to mentor site May 2014)
Lorraine Padden
8.4.1 Add stator overtemperature setting to text - plan for April 2014 meeting- Done-edited 4-22-2014
John Kay
General Check kW and hp; checking IEC & NEMA; spreadsheet reviewed June 2014 Jim Bryan
MV Add snubber information- stator winding protection, plan for July 2014 meeting
John Kay, Dave Bredhold
Copyright for thermocouple wire This section will be modified with references to the standards where copyright is not needed(8/2014)
Manish Singh
IEEE/Industry Applications Society/Technical Book Coordinating Committee Protection & Coordination Working Group (IAS/TBCC/3004 WG) P3004.8 “Recommended Practice for Motor Protection in Industrial and Commercial Power Systems” Working Group Meeting July 28, 2015 –WEB only Section No. Completed Task Description Lead/Group
Fig w/Dev21
Update with voltage updated; jpeg; complete Sept 2014 Dan Ransom
8.6, 8.7 Review synchronous motor protection. Harmonize with B.2 and Table 6 and figures; complete Sept 2014 Dan Ransom
8.10, 8.11, 8.12
Review ; complete Sept 2014 Dan Ransom
9.1.6 PTC Figure; October 2014 Jim Crook
8.4.3.6
Online stator insulation monitoring – check to see if the draft is keeping information generic for the standard and review wording so it does not limit to one product.MSIM. Moved to Annex E. Changed wording to generic terms.
Jim Bryan
5.2.1 to 5.2.4
Soft start, wye delta – some information added in D3.7; for April 2014 meeting- check w/John, David Solicit diagrams October 2014; Jim Crook-diagrams; Updates for December 2014
John Kay, David Bredhold; Jim Crook; Louis Spence
10 DC Motor – plan for December 2014 Chris Heron, Jim Bryan, John Kay, Chuck Yung
5.2.1 add text on current and voltage and torque values; no frequency change; also graphs>
David Bredhold; Jim Crook
5.2 Contribute photos/graphs/diagrams of start methods Jim Crook
9. Develop ASD section Jim Crook-Lead, Jeff Hensley, Dan Neeser, Tim O’Hearn, John Kay
General Check NEMA references – plan for December 2014 meeting Jim Bryan
9.2.2 Multiple motors – plan for September 2014 NEC 430.130 & 131; check 3004.8 for more info
Jeff Hensley, John Kay; Jim Crook
general Solicit MPR (11M) pictures for document-August 2014 (Dan Ransom); October 2014 Vendors/users
Reorganize Annexes lkp
IEEE/Industry Applications Society/Technical Book Coordinating Committee Protection & Coordination Working Group (IAS/TBCC/3004 WG) P3004.8 “Recommended Practice for Motor Protection in Industrial and Commercial Power Systems” Working Group Meeting July 28, 2015 –WEB only Section No. Completed Task Description Lead/Group
Annex C Find place for Capacitor overcurrent setting info Mike Thomasson
Fig 3 Update; done; added notes Received July 28, 2015 Jim Crook
8.4.3.1 Clarify, add reference Check email, lkp Received July 28, 2015 Dan Ransom,
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Working Group Membership
"Recommended Practice for Motor Protection in Industrial and Commercial Power Systems"
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Figure 3- Shaft vibration limits (U.S. customary units, relative to bearing housing using non-contact vibration probes) for all hydrodynamic sleeve bearing motors with the motor securely fastened to a massive foundation
Figure 5- Bearing housing radial and axial vibration limits(U.S. customary units) for sleeve and antifriction bearing motors with the motor securely fastened to a massive foundation