HL7 SDWG Minutes Jan. 19 th 22 nd 2015 Attendance Sheets at Bottom of Document Monday Jan 19 Q1 Business Meeting Agenda Review Proposal that we make Mark Roche an interim co-chair for this week Against: 0 Abstain: 1 For: 29 motion passes Update SDWG 3 Year Plan Structured Documents Work Group 2014 Three Year Plan January 19, 2015 • New release of CDA • CCDA Maintenance & Update o Examples Task force o Value set ownership and maintenance o Enhanced conformance testing for CCDA • Templates based on detailed clinical models • Support o Help Desk o Certification Testing o User Groups • Disease Specific IG • Registry Reporting (Cosponsorship) • Public Health Reports • CDA Product Families o Governance, Management, Methodology establishment • FHIR o Ongoing Coordination • International Version of the CCDA / IHE • Template Repository • Analysis followed by Governance oversight for implementation of Template DSTU • Tracking of all know CDA R2 extensions • US Realm Projects o Structured Data Capture o Data Access Framework o Data Provenance o TBD SDWG SWOT Analysis January 19, 2015 Strength Highly relevant committee with a lot of interest and plenty of participants Cited in MU 2014 edition Broad scope and templating strategy Expanding international use and sharing of IGs Stable and widely implemented standards Tools exist for building implementation guides Examples task force supporting the CDA implementer community
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HL7 SDWG Minutes Jan. 19th -‐22nd 2015
Attendance Sheets at Bottom of Document
Monday Jan 19 Q1 Business Meeting Agenda Review
Proposal that we make Mark Roche an interim co-chair for this week Against: 0 Abstain: 1 For: 29 motion passes
Update SDWG 3 Year Plan
Structured Documents Work Group 2014 -‐ Three Year Plan
January 19, 2015
• New release of CDA • C-‐CDA Maintenance & Update
o Examples Task force o Value set ownership and maintenance o Enhanced conformance testing for C-‐CDA
• Templates based on detailed clinical models • Support
o Help Desk o Certification Testing o User Groups
• Disease Specific IG • Registry Reporting (Co-‐sponsorship) • Public Health Reports • CDA Product Families
o Governance, Management, Methodology establishment • FHIR
o Ongoing Coordination • International Version of the C-‐CDA / IHE • Template Repository • Analysis followed by Governance oversight for implementation of Template DSTU • Tracking of all know CDA R2 extensions • US Realm Projects
o Structured Data Capture o Data Access Framework o Data Provenance o TBD
SDWG SWOT Analysis January 19, 2015
Strength -‐ Highly relevant committee with a lot of interest and plenty of participants -‐ Cited in MU 2014 edition -‐ Broad scope and templating strategy -‐ Expanding international use and sharing of IGs -‐ Stable and widely implemented standards -‐ Tools exist for building implementation guides -‐ Examples task force supporting the CDA implementer community
Weakness -‐ Bandwidth limitations (work, meetings) -‐ Lack of user-‐friendly tools & documentation to support implementations -‐ Unclear CDA strategy moving forward -‐ Focus on new work instead of sustaining/maintaining existing work -‐ Lack of a international registry / repository for CDA Templates and historical artifacts -‐ The size of C-‐CDA, is a challenge to support in a purely volunteer environment. -‐ Lack coordination with Publishing/Electronic Services & Tooling work group
Opportunity -‐ Collaboration with other groups
-‐ IHE -‐ ONC, DOD, VA, FDA, CDC, CMS, … -‐ HIMSS HealthStory -‐ DICOM -‐ Professional Societies
-‐ AMIA, ASCO, ACP, … -‐ Have major impact on the global healthcare community and healthcare delivery -‐ Working with transport mechanisms to have a complete solution -‐ FHIR – aligning FHIR documents with CDA -‐ New CDA Release (2.1) -‐ Support implementation concerns and improve interoperability -‐ Showcasing International CDA Implementation
Threat -‐ Crumbling under too much interest / work -‐ CDA R2 semantic expressivity limitations -‐ Competing areas of interest, pulling resources away -‐ Lack of volunteers and support for maintenance of legacy standards C-CDA Maintenance & Update Expiring Standards – deferred, as there was a report error in this listing.
Review PBS metrics and work group health • Project Report Card is looking good • The Work Group Health looks good
Update on current ballot - number of comments and planned ballot reconciliation
QRDA – 143 DAF – 291 Birth Registry - not posted Trauma Registry FHIR – 14 comments Upcoming ballots HAI – Normative Ballot – possible - refactoring FHIR – Composition Resource CDA in FHIR Presentation on any new projects – none
Co-chair availability – discussed & updated on the wiki site SDWG co-chair openings - reviewed Discuss Paris Agenda – 9 Participants Mission & Charter
Need to speak to FHIR relationship Austin will make changes. Decision Making Practice Discussion of Providence Q2 MEETING
Project Argonaut relationship to SDWG FHIR work C-CDA on FHIR Brett made a presentation about the C-CDA on FHIR and the Argonaut project DAF ballot reconciliation - Comment 291 comments 130 negatives 160 affirmatives I&M Process for ballot resolution MARCH deadline Propose disposition today with provisional votes by SDWG, review with I&M if this is OK Implementation Guides – DAF Emma #79 – Reference of the identifier on Patient – and issue with reference MRN – the patient identifier field How do you define a URI for defining the scope of the MRN identifier? Resolution: Add an example on how an MRN could be represented in FHIR. Once with an OID and one with URN. Business or Domain Identifiers the other is a resource identifier. Any time we constrain something we need to have a note that does not conflict with the base definition. Rule: If you don’t constrain it, don’t carry the note forward. If you do constrain or modify, add note for the item. Persuasive w/ Mod
Question about the usability of profiles
There is a master conformance resource - list of resources and operations needs to be supported. What data elements should come back? #153 How is this MU data - Allergies From where did they derive the data in the Allergy Intolerance profile? Agree The table will grow into three columns: 1. As defined in MU 2. Priority DAF elements 3. FHIR Resource Mappings
Persuasive with mod
The DAF and C-CDA on FHIR need to coordinate their work. #133 (#75 – similar comment) – What is the definition of must support? Found it, does the profile support the definition of must support. Balloter requested that the comment be changed to a comment w/ questions. Need to review with FMG on the Must Support and how to highlight in profile. How does Must Support work in FHIR? 1..1 – mandatory and must support vs. 0..1 and must support There is no way to summarize the Must Support rules First time profiler and first time reader #151 – abatement Boolean [x] Need to add a note to indicate the other options have been removed.
Complete discussion and will bring forward the issue of snapshot table.
Need to be real clear what the snap shot table and the differential table mean. It is 7 or 8 weeks before the DSTU ballot needs to be done. The calls – I&M Q2 Tuesday will determine and post to both SDWG and I&M #167 - Procedure – codeable concept – shouldn’t be further constrained to other vocabularies – need to align with C-CDA Should we align with C-CDA or are there value sets that are missing? (Preferred, extensible)
update dafEncounterType to dafProcedureType For SNOMED, restrict to Procedure hierarchy. Vote on the items discussed in Q2 from the ballot Rick made, Gay second 4 comments – against – 0 abstain 2 for: 31
Q3 MEETING
C-CDA R1.1 Implementation Issues - open discussion Large CDA documents (length) The overwhelming volume makes it unusable. One problem – on receiving end mange the order of the materials presented. The reason for referral is not that useful Content that is incorrectly categorized Medications that are not relevant Relevant is not computable There is a lot of dirty data What is generated is a data dump – we do not provide guidance on this The work that we are doing for data providence, security and privacy will only enlarge the data set. We need to provide guidance on how to do reconciliation or consume. There is a process for the issues that needs to be considered There is likely a need to create best practice guidelines, which can be shared with the industry to improve interoperability. There is a problem – as a producer has filtered the content there is not way to say what filtering was used. There may need to be footer at the bottom, which says how the information was filtered. How do you organize the data out of the EMR to make it effective to use. A new section, which is called synopsis, might need to be provided. As physicians are reconciling the medication lists, it would be useful to clearly identify which medications that are no longer active. CDA does not require that the prescriber needs to be identified Vs Active We need to take some PHI de-identified examples as a source document, to see the issues that are being created in the industry. A couple of issues identified were entered on the DSTU Comment Site for the C-CDA R1.1 DSTU. #568 Update the samples to conform to the standard C-CDA R1.1 3 issues Errata Windy made Rick second --- against: 0 Abstain: 0 For: 29 motion passes #567 Will remove 8720 conformance statement - errata
Windy made Second Rick – against: 0 Abstain: 1 For: 30 motion passes #566 – procedure note template error 8507 - There is a technical error in the formulation of the constraint Errata – move the attribute binding to a child constraint Windy made, Second Rick Against: 0 Abstain: 1 For: 30 motion passes
Other implementation issues All the documents are CCD and none of the other documents are sent. Cover letter – is faxed and sent Next steps – what can we do to improve the systems 1. Large documents, - have a project to make the documents relevant to use cases for
physicians. – Keith want to help with this. Do you or do you not include your full note in your CCD – inclusion of raw clinical notes? Another issue is the inclusion of patient education materials – why does the doctor need those materials. It was recommended that SDWG stay engaged with the Standards Content work group. Do we want to set aside time on the call on Structured Documents? CMIO feedback and other groups – find the right committee and find the time. Feb 5th – for this issue
Examples task force – developing samples Would it be a good idea to seek samples from others? Pushing out the samples from what we have learned Enhancing the Smart CDA Trying to collect more de-identified samples that are coming from others. We might have John Devork make a presentation on samples that have been generated. There is a repository on site – ONC – a number of samples
The co-chairs thanked the members for their participation on the discussion and indicated that we would continue to discuss these issues and work on plans to help resolve them for membership and the industry.
SDTC extension management and ongoing maintenance of CDA schema - Lisa Nelson We voted to approve a number of extensions on the SDWG
Would like to add a date to manage the approval of the extensions and where version of the schema. It was suggested that we need a more formal process for extensions, so that when they are approved, members would know where to find them. Austin indicated that GForge is would current platform for the publication of this materials – Austin indicated that he would be willing to create a subdirectory on GForge that could be used to store and provide members with access to the current extensions for CDA. Q4 HOST PHER
Send representatives to vocab to discuss value set stewardship (Brett+) Refactoring the HAI implementation guide Karen had a couple of topics Birth Defects IG – reconciliation will occur this week – Tuesday Q3 Birth and Death Registry IG Cancer Registry IG - We will plan on meeting with PHER in Paris Decision Making Practices - Once every few years we need to review and establish our default decision-making practices. Calvin made, Second Thomas - move to retain the 2 co-chairs and 3 other members’ rule for quorum. Against 0, Abstain: 3, For: 5 for motion passes Calvin moved, Second Abdul M. To adopt the Decision Making Practices as revised. Opposed: 0, Abstain: 1, For: 7 motion passes. Tuesday Jan 20 Q1 MEETING joint with CQI
Send Representatives to CQI (CQI Hosting) (These are notes the official minutes will be posted by CQI) Tacoma Ballot Update Clinical Quality Framework – Presentation on the public / private partnership Harmonize the standards used for clinical quality and clinical decision support.
1. Common Expression Logic Standard – CQL a. Shared sample syntax for the CQL b. Balloted in 2014, DSTU this cycle
2. Common Data Model Standard – QUICK* a. Quality Information Data Model – a profile of FHIR b. They are aligning with FHIR resources c. Alignment with DAF and CIMI and C-CDA profiles d. Req. May 2014, Comment only Sept 2014, DSTU ballot May 2015
Additional ballots on HQMF and others 3. Common Metadata Standard
Pilots - providing feedback on the standards as they are being developed. Midway thought the standards development and review part, they have wrapped up the initial phase of pilots and wrap up in 2015. They are looking for participation by others and are using the www.cqframeworkinfo Expression Language team and Data Model team meeting on Wednesday. Reconciliation – FHIR Profile for Quality (30 min) CQI – will do their reconciliation in their working group CQL – a few items (15 minutes) A couple of items for CQL Data model – QUICK / FHIR quality profiles given that the timelines for the items to be coordinated do not link up. It would be useful to know how CQL will work with C-CDA. Comment by Gay The thought for the specification is to include examples in the documentation on how this would work, but not providing a mapping – CQL is data model agnostic. QRDA – 1 item for reconciliation (20) Q2 Open Quarter for SDWG QRDA Ballot Reconcillation #124 - priorityCode does not seem specified. Has the wrong value set in examples – need to work with the measure and place a note in the spec. Q3 HOST ITS/MnM/Publishing/Tooling (Rick /
Topic: • CDA R2.1 questions regarding adopting newer RIM vocabulary • CDA Template modelling and vocabulary questions (S. Gaunt)
Problem Type, LOINC code names have “...HL7.CCDAR2”. CCDAR2 is method. Issue is resolved in updated LOINC db. How do we represent “I did not do any of the above” (e.g. none of above medications, or problems...etc). Currently, this is expressed using negationInd. We added extension in CDAR2 with a value set OID and a nullFlavor (Check with Vocab/MnM on a periodic basis). 3 options for nullflavor: OTH, UNKN, and NA Votes “Yes” votes for least offensive option: NA (25/36), UNKN (5/36), OTHR (6/36)
Q4 HOST FHIR
CDA on FHIR Using clinical documents in FHIR Composition resource will be deferred to SDWG Mapped CDA elements to FHIR Composition Resource available at “CDA Mapping” Google sheet. Next step: Argonaut mapped C-CDA to FHIR Put together a presentation/tutorial by Sep 2015, on how C-CDA maps to FHIR. Review during CDA on FHIR calls on Tuesday.
Wednesday Jan 21 Q1 JOINT with CQI (CQI Hosting)
QRDA Ballot Recon Calvin to meet with II WG Q2 No SDWG MEETING Q3 MEETING
(In SDWG) Refactoring the NHSN HAI CDA IG (A Kreisler) Send Representatives Pharmacy (Not a JOINT meeting) SubstanceAdministration Free Text Sig Proposal (Keith) Medication statusCode Discuss Loading Dose
Q4 No SDWG MEETING Thursday Jan 22 Q1 Host Imaging Integration
TOPICS: Radiology CDA IG / LOINC code use in DIR Revising document: “Supplement 155: Imaging Reports using HL7 CDA” (revision and replacement of PS3.20)” (ftp://medical.nema.org/medical/dicom/supps/Drafts/Sup155_2014-06-25.pdf ) went through public comments, made substantial changes after public comments, most of changes to stay aligned with structured docs templates. Using SNOMED CT to encode field names for “Measurements” such as “Area Measurement”, “Length Measurement”, etc. Using SCT as opposed to LOINC due to the 17-yr agreement with SNOMED CT that predates recent agreements within HL7 to use LOINC as code system for all observables. UCUM are used for Units of Measure (since 2002). Also, created new data elements for CDS purpose that enables verification whether radiologic study was correctly ordered (was procedure appropriate to indication). As a result, the IG needs new LOINC codes for these new CDS-related data elements. What does SDWG think about proposed structure (CDS-related as explained above)? Discussion on whether SNOMED CT or LOINC codes should be used for observations. For now, it should be SNOMED CT because that is what most systems in world do today. Discussed whether Radiology report template “Document Type” in CCDA R2,0, Table 34: “LOINC Imaging Document Codes” (OID: 1.3.6.1.4.1.12009.10.2.5) should use one
generic LOINC code (e.g. Radiology Report) or several more granular LOINC codes (e.g. 24754-4 - Administration of Vasodilator into catheter of Vein). Harry Solomon to provide DSTU comment on C-CDA R2.0 to update the Value set (Table 34) based on DICOM preferences Also Table CID x7021: “Imaging Report Document Title” LOINC codes in ““Supplement 155: Imaging Reports using HL7 CDA” (revision and replacement of PS3.20)””, to be aligned with Table 34. Conclusion:
Discuss progress of discussion and updates to documents at May 2015 meeting in Paris.
Q2 MEETING
JOINT w/PC, Templates (PC Hosting) Allergy/Intolerance discussion with Patient Care (Gaye Dolin)
Q3 HOST FHIR
Review FHIR ballot comments on composition resource (cbeebe)
Motion made by Calvin, Kevin second Adopt the modeling of section as depicted by Calvin on the screen.
Opposed: 2 Abstain: 9 For: 8 Motion passes
Q4 MEETING
CDA R2.1 project Where we are at with vocabulary
I&M / ITS / Electronic Services Tooling Abdul M. – Pick the version of the RIM to bind the model to. Ted Cline - provides – it is possible to do, but might be dangerous. Non-structural Codes – Participation Types, Act Relation, Role Codes If we cherry pick, we would have to hack the schema. M&M – look at the analysis SNOMED – LOINC – IP will be required Request to discuss - cultivating Vs owning – FMG to formally define Who and How to decide 2.47 RIM Structured Document – CDA R2.1 RIM 2.07 -Vocabulary of a current version M&M -- get on the M&M list Meet with Vocabulary – Readness – for March 22 – doubltful – OO FMG / FGB A topic for discussion to harmonization Facilitor Meeting Harmonization Meeting n March 3,4,5 possible dates
Initial proposals in by Feb 1st – for discussion on topic
and technical review Feb 2-5 Final are due the 22nd – final materials for discussion
Non structural vocabulary – use the latest release not Doodle Poll – for the timeEntry à Grouper Look at the WIKI to work on the ballot – secure wiki site Katherin - Discuss Paris Agenda
EU / US – CDA Project Austin updated the WIKI for the Paris SDWG Meeting. Friday Jan 23 Q1 Joint w/Templates, PC (Templates hosting) These are notes from the joint meeting with Templates and PC. The official minutes will be posted by Templates WG. Templates DSTU 1 Art Décor
Paris – Friday Q1 Meetings during the week CGIT and FHIR and Templates -‐ meta-‐data sync -‐ core principles
o Kia – wrote a document about it o Core Principles – sync o A template which is a set of constraints
§ FHIR does not support the connections • This set of constraints on a profile map to a template
§ There are issues with the mapping that is needed. § Graham – Cycil – profile mapping § Make it computable
o There is a need to improve the documentation on Profile o Template defintions – can refer to definitions in another model
§ CIMI / Detailed Clinical Models • Mapping element in resource goes to model
§ There is a place holder § Is there an XML tag that is used for mapping to source domain models or
detailed models. o They are using an ID in each and every functional model for the attributes in the
models. -‐ Templates DSTU has ids assigned for the element / attribute definition -‐ DCM – Detail Clinical Models -‐ Vs CIMI models Discussion with Templates about how we might be able to map a general model to a detailed model and fill in some of the attrbutes based on a link to a LOINC code to fill.
1.3 release governance groups – can manage templates and model access FHIR strategy will be provided in 1.3 IHIC – Prague Art Décor developer day DSTU Comments for Templates Templates WIKI Meeting ended early, as there was a fire alarm, which required that we leave the hotel.