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Gwen: Thisisthe11thofSeptember1903andI'mGwenPerschbacherandI'mgoingtobeinterviewingJoyHumesintheirhomeat1148CStreet.Joy,I'dlikeforyoutotellmewhereyouwerebornandwhatyourparents'nameswere.

Joy: Areyoureadynow?

Gwen: Mm-hmm(affirmative).

Joy: IwasborninBonanza,Colorado,aminingtown,December18,1912.

Gwen: Wereyouborninahospitalorathome?

[00:01:00]Joy:

No,myparentsbuiltanewhomepreparingformybirth.ItwasaloghouseandIwasborninthishouseandtheyhadamidwifeandhernamewasMrs.Storey.Ican'trecallherfirstname,butthatwasoneofhermissionsinlifewastobeamidwife.Myparentsorwhat?

Gwen: Yes,whatwereyourparents'names?

Joy: ClydeCarlyleTuttleandmymother'snamewasAnnaSoashand,ofcourse,Tuttle.

Gwen: Howdoyouspellthat?

Joy: Soash?

Gwen: Mm-hmm(affirmative).

Joy: S-o-a-s-h.

Gwen: S-o-a-s-h.

Joy: S-o-a-s-h.

[00:02:00]Gwen:

Isthathermaidenname?

Joy: Thatwashermaidenname.

Gwen: Whatnationalitywasthat?

Joy: IguessAmerican.Inever-

Gwen: It'salittledifferentname.

Joy: Oh,yeah.WhenIwasakidtheyusedtoaskmeandit'djustworrymeIwasathisorthat,butfinallyIcameuptotheconclusionIwasAmerican.

Gwen: Verygood.Now,whenwasyourfatherborn?

Joy: April12,1880.

Gwen: Yourmother?

[00:03:00]Joy:

October15...Idon'tknow.

Gwen: YourmotherwasborninOctober15,1887.Doyouknowwhereshewasborn?

Joy: Wait,letmethink.Oh!InOhio.IkindofthinkitwasCleveland,Ohio,butI'mnotsure.Itwasoneofthebiggercities.

Gwen: Okayandyourfatherwasbornwhere?

Joy: Kalamazoo,Michigan.

Gwen: HewasbornApril12,1880,andhisnamewasClyde.Middlename?

[00:04:00]Joy:

Carlyle.C-a-r-l-y-l-e.

Gwen: Tuttle.Okay.Givemeyourbirthdateagain.December1912,butwhatwastheday?

Joy: Whatwastheday?

Gwen: Imean,thedate.

Joy: Date.

Gwen: 12thor?

Joy: 12th.Uh-huh(affirmative).

Gwen: 12th.That'swhatIthought.Allrightandyouwerebornathome.

Joy: Yes,adarlingmidwife.

Gwen: Mrs.Storey.

Joy: Uh-huh(affirmative).

Gwen: Didyouhaveanybrothersorsisters?

Joy: Ihad1sister.

Gwen: Whatwashername?

Joy: FayandthatwasspelledF-a-y.

Gwen: Oh,justF-a-y,okay.

Joy: MarieTuttle.

Gwen: Didshemarry?

[00:05:00]Joy:

ShemarriedRobertAshley.

Gwen: Okay.A-s-h-l-e-y?

Joy: Uh-huh(affirmative).

Gwen: Okay.Nowtellmewhatherbirthdatewas.

Joy: July22,1916.

Gwen: Isshedeceased?

Joy: Yes.

Gwen: Doyouknowwhatdate?

Joy: It'sonthetombstoneoutthere.I'da...Oh,whatdidI?

Gwen: That'sallright.

Joy: I'vegotit,yeah,righthereI'vegotitthen.Shewas50yearsand3monthsold.

Gwen: Thatwouldbe1966?

Joy: '66,yes.

[00:06:00]Gwen:

WhendidyoumovetoSalida?

Joy: WecomeintothishouseonFebruary8-Waitaminute,Februarythe5th,19-Wait,now,letmethink,'58.

Gwen: 1958.

Joy: Uh-huh(affirmative).

Gwen: Okayandhaveyoulivedinthishouseeversinceyou'vebeeninSalida?

Joy: Yeah.Mm-hmm(affirmative).

Gwen: Oh.BesidesBonanzaatyourownhome,whereelsehaveyoulived?

Joy:[00:07:00]

Now,youbettershutthatoff.Myfatherbuiltretainingdams,well,nowwait.Firstwehadalittleranchanditwas7milesbelowBonanzaonKerberCreek.

Gwen: HowdoyouspellthatKerber?

Joy: K-e-r-b-e-r.

Gwen: Okayandthenwhere?

Joy:[00:08:00]

Let'ssee,IthinkI'mrightonthis,1947.Waitaminute,amIcomingoutright?No,no,1937.IhadalotofthatdownandnowI'mkindofforgettingit.Whendidwebuy?Oh,1927.ThefolksboughtOxCartRanch.

Gwen: That'satthetopofPonchaPass?

Joy: Yeah,let'ssee,thesouthside.

Gwen: OfPonchaPass?AbouthowfaristhatfromSalida?

Joy: About17miles.Youknow,IthinkPatetookalotofthisdown.

Gwen: Okayandwhereelsedidyoulive?

Joy: Well,thenwewasontheranchuntil'49.

Gwen: Now,wasthiswithyourparents?

Joy: Parents,mm-hmm(affirmative).

Gwen: Thenwhathappenedin'49?

[00:09:00]Joy:

Oh,Ilostmymother.ThisisallforGary.Mymotherdiedattheageof61yearsold.

[00:10:00]Gwen:

Okay,61.Shewasbornin1887.Shediedat60whatdidyousay?

Joy: 61-1/2yearsold.

Gwen: 1948.Doesthatsoundright?

Joy: Let'ssee'48?Itmusthavebeen.Yeah.Uh-huh(affirmative).Ithink.

Gwen: Yourmotherdiedandthenwhathappened?

Joy: Oh,myfathersoldtheranch.

Gwen: Whenshediedthen?

Joy: Yeah,aftershediedhesoldtheranch.

Gwen: Didyoumoveintothishousethenor?

Joy: No,IwasmarriedandlivedatahighwaycampjustbelowtheOxCartRanch.

[00:11:00]Gwen:

Oh.Whenyouweremarried?

Joy: April6,1947.

Gwen: Didyouliveathomeupuntilthattime?Didyoulivewithyourparentsuntilthattime?

Joy: Yeah,untilImarried.Uh-huh(affirmative).

Gwen: Okay,whatschoolsdidyouattend?

Joy: TheBonanzaSchoolandtheSalidaHighSchool.

Gwen: Thatwasthrough8thgradethen?

Joy: Uh-huh(affirmative).

Gwen: Didyougobeyondhighschool?

Joy: No.Depressionhit.

Gwen: TellmealittlebitabouttheDepressionandhowthataffectedyou?

[00:12:00]Joy:[00:13:00]

Well,myfatherwasbuildingtheretainingdamsfortheRaleighMineandhewastobuildhis4thdam.Hehadalreadybuilt3andheboughtthisranchwiththethoughtofhehad4waysofpayingforthisranch.Hewouldbuildanotherdam,whichwouldsethimfree.Allofhislivestockwouldbepaidforthatwasusedtobuildthedam.Hecouldworkonthecountyfortheroads.Hecouldsellhay.Hecouldsellafewcattleproductsorafewcattle.Thatgavehim4waysofhelpingpayforthisranch.Thedepressionhitandhe,withthehelpofhiswifeand2daughters,baledhayafewhourseachdaytosellfor$4aton.

Gwen: Ohmy.

Joy: IknowabouttheDepression.

Gwen: Doyouhaveanyideawhathaysellsfornow?

Joy: A60-poundbaleis$5to$7.

Gwen: Quiteadifference.

[00:14:00]Joy:

Yeah.Weacquiredanoldbalerthatwasdrivenbyahorseandhe'dgoaroundandaroundandaroundandmymotherandmysisterandIwouldhelpputhayinthisbalerto,Idon'trememberwhatmydaddone.Hewasinthere,though,butwesurvived.

Gwen: Wereyouinhighschoolthenorhowoldwereyou?

Joy:[00:15:00]

Yeah,uh-huh(affirmative).Well,youcouldn'thardlyborrowahouseinSalida.Motherhadtoliveintownorpaytuition.Shehadtoestablishahome.Werented2frontroomsfromtheNewellfamilyfor$8amonth.

Gwen: Thatwas2frontrooms?Didyouhaveak-

Joy: 2frontandwehadtocrosstheirdiningroom,theirkitchen,togetintothebathroom.Thenwefinallyfoundahouseon8thstreetandmymotherwouldgobackandforthtobeawifeandtobewithus,establishahomebecauseofthetuition.

Gwen: Wherewasthehouseyourentedfor$8amonth?

Joy: OnDodgewhereBillHeisterlivesonDodge.

Gwen: Okay.

[00:16:00]Joy:

Wefinallygotthat.Thenwe'dgohomeonweekendsandcatchupontheworkthathadtobedone.

Gwen: Mm-hmm(affirmative).Then,whenyouboughtahouse,whatwastheaddressofthathouse?

Joy: No,wejustmoved.Wealwaysrented.

Gwen: Oh.

Joy: Youcouldn'tbuya2ndhouse.Itwastheonlytimeinmylife,besideswhilewewashavingthis1built,thatweeverdidn'townourownhome.At1timeIhad4

homes.

Gwen: Whenyourentedthis2ndhouse,nowwherewasitlocated?

Joy:[00:17:00]

On8thStreet.Cornerof8thandF.WesharedthatapartmentorthathousewithaNazareneministerandwesharedthebathroom.

Gwen: Isthata2-storyhouse?

Joy: No,it'sjust1story.

Gwen: Well,howdidthatworksharingthebathroomordidyouthink-

Joy: Fine,fine.Theywerelovely,lovelypeople.HewasaNazareneministerandohtheywerejustlovelypeople.

Gwen: Doyourememberwhatyoupaidforthatapartmentorwhatyourparentsdid?

Joy: Uh-uh(negative).Then,wheredidIlive?Mylastyearofhighschool,yeah,IstayedbymyselfandIrentedfromShonyo.Theywereprominentpeople.

Gwen: Howdoyouspellthat?

Joy: S-h-o-n-y-a(spelledShonyo).

[00:18:00]Gwen:

S-h-u-n-y?

Joy: A-n.IthinkS-h-o-n-y-aIthink,ifIremember.

Gwen: Whatdidtheydo?

Joy: Hewasretired.Hewaswelltodoandtheyhadahomeon10thandFwhereNaccarato’sliveandtheyrented,let'ssee,meanapartment1roomand2teachershadtheother2roomsupstairsandwesharedabathroom.

Gwen: Doyourememberwhatyoupaidforthatroom?

Joy: $9amonth,Ithink.

Gwen: Inflation,Iguess.

Joy: Ithinkthatwas$9andIgottogohomeeveryweekend.

[00:19:00]Gwen:

Doyouhaveanyideawhatthetuitionwasifyouhadn'tmovedintown?

Joy: Uh-uh.Wehadtomove.JoeStuart,whichwasalwaysaprominentmanhere,

helpedmyfolksgetintoschoolwithoutpayingtuition.Otherwise,we'dhavehadtogotoSaguacheandthatwouldhavebeen27mileswithoutanybusservice.Ofcourse,itwasontheSalidatelephoneline.

Gwen: Canyourememberwhatkindofgamesyouplayedathomebeforeyouwenttoschool?Whatwasyourearliestmemory?

Joy:[00:20:00]

No,weweren'tmuchforcards.We'ddoneanawfullotofhandworkand,ofcourse,wesewedallofourownclothes.Icanrememberthis.Therewasadroughtandmyfatherhadtobuycowfeedinwhitemuslinsacks.OnedayIlookedoutontheclotheslineandtherewasn'tathinghangingonthatclotheslinethatwasn'tmadeoutofsacksotherthanmydad'sunderwear.Wemadethesheets,thepillowcases,thetowels,thebrassieres,thepanties,alloutofthosesacks.

[00:21:00]Gwen:

Whataboutdresses?Didyoumakethosealsooutofthesacks?

Joy: Ihadanauntand2cousinswhoworkedinofficesinDenverandtheywouldsendtheirdiscardedclothes.Theyhadgoodpositionssotheydressedwellandmymotherwasanexpertseamstressandwemadethemandtheykeptusinhosebecausewewouldsewuptheruns.Wewenttodancesalotandyouhadtohaveadifferentoutfitsoyoutookthebowoffthefrontofthedressandputthebowonthebackofthedressandthatmadeyouanewoutfit.

[00:22:00]Gwen:

Whatkindofclothesdidyouweartoschoolingradeschool,forinstance?

Joy: Well,mymothercouldsewanything.

Gwen: Wereyourdresseslong,short,ordoyouremember?

Joy: Oh,short.

Gwen: Mm-hmm(affirmative).Didyouwearlongsocks?

Joy: Oh,weworeblacksocksandIdon'tthinknapkinsweretoomuchinstyle,buttheblacksocksweresuregoodtowipeyourhandson.Inthosedaysadogcouldstayunderthetablesoifyoudidn'tlikesomefoodyoukindofgaveittothedog.

Gwen: Ohandwhatdidn'tyoulike?

Joy: Oh,Idon'tknow.Ofcourse,mymotherbecameanexcellentcookwithwhatshehad.

[00:23:00]Gwen:

Couldyougrowagardenthere?

Joy:[00:24:00]

Wedidwhenwegotintotheranch.Itwasanexcellentgarden.WetradedvegetableswithRoyJoneswholivedinSalidaandhecouldraisethingsthatwecouldn'traise.WealsohaddearfriendswholivedinPuebloandtheybroughtusbeansandthings.Peopletradedaround.Ifonehadsomethingtheygavetotheotherperson.Icanremembermyfolkssoldmilkorcreamforaliving.Oneyearmyfolks'grocerybillaveraged$10amonthandyetwehadmentoboardduringthesummer.

Gwen: Wasthattohelpwiththeharvest?

Joy: Yeah.Uh-huh(affirmative).

Gwen: Didyouchargeyourgroceriesordidyoupayasyougotthem?

Joy: Oh,myfolksneverchargedanything.OnetimeIcanrememberheboughtaharnessfor$10amonth,butwhen...Itwastheworst.Theyboughtaradiofor,Idon'tremember,butafewdollarsamonth.Otherthanbuyingtheranch,theyneverboughtanythingontime.

Gwen: Doyourememberwhenyouhadyourfirstradio?

Joy: Thefirstwhat?

Gwen: Radio.

[00:25:00]Joy:

Yeah,well,afterIgotoutofhighschool.Wewerethelastonestohavearadio.

Gwen: Whatabouttransportationtoandfromschoolwhenyouwereingradeschool?Howdidyougetbackandforthtoschool?

Joy:[00:26:00]

Well,inBonanzayoucouldwalk.Thenmyfolkswereoneofthelastpeopletogetacar.WehadaFordpickupthatmydadusedtotransportorefromBonanzatoVillaGroveandthenputitontherailroad.Weboughtacarthen,well,ithadashed,butthebackendofithadaseatwhenwewereondambuildingjobs.

Gwen: Yourememberwhatkindofcaritwas?

Joy: Itwasmarooncoloredanditturnedkindofpinksothenitgotkindofbare.WegotsowecalledherShasta.Shehastohavesomethingallthetime.

Gwen: ThatwasyourcaryoucalledShasta?

Joy:[00:27:00]

Thatwasthecar.Let'ssee,1939theY&RGaragegot2newPlymouthcars.Thefirstthathadbeenin.Theyweregoodfriendsandtheytoldmyfolksthatoneofthosecarswastobetheirs.Mydadsaid,"No,I'llnottakeitbecauseIcan'tpay

forituntilweshipcattle."Theysaid,"Youaretohavethatnewcar."Theyhadthe2ndoneandtheyletmymybrother-in-law,lethimhavetheothercar.Wehad2newcarsthatweren'tpaidforuntilohjustafewweekswhentheyshippedthecattle.Wehadthefirst2newPlymouthsthatcameintoSalida.

Gwen: In1939?

Joy: Uh-huh(affirmative).

Gwen: Whatkindofcardidyouhavebeforethatorwasthatyourfirstcar?

Joy: Oh,wehadthatoldShasta.

Gwen: Whatkindofcarwasit?Doyouhaveanyideaortheyearthatyougotit?

Joy: ADurant.

[00:28:00]Gwen:

ADurant.

Joy: Uh-huh(affirmative).

Gwen: IneverheardoftheDurants.

Joy: Well.

Gwen: Doyourememberwhatyearitwas?Whatmodel?

Joy: Idon'tknow.IcanrememberitwasgettingtobeaprettyoldcarwhenIgraduatedin1931becauseIknockedafencepostdownwithit.Idon'tknow.OhandIhadaboyfriendandthisRobertthatlivedwiththeydecidedtopaintit.Well,theyhadn'ttakenanypaintinglessons.

Gwen: Itdidn'tturnoutsowell,Itakeit.Well,goingbacktohighschool-Well,tellmealittlebitaboutyourgradeschool,yourteachersand-

[00:29:00]Joy:

Well,firstwejusthad1roomandthenBonanzagrewuntiltheyhadaregularschool,aniceschoolbuilding.Thentheyrentedanotherbuildingthathadbeenastorebuildingforthe2ndbuilding.Ithinktheyhad4grades,first4gradesinthatbuilding,andtheregularschoolhad4gradesandyouwentthroughthe8thgradethere.AfewpeoplegottogotoSaguachetoschoolandmostofthemworkedfortheirboardandroomorsomethingoveratSaguache.

Gwen: TheystayedatSaguachethen?

[00:30:00]Joy:

Uh-huh(affirmative).Yeah,thatwouldhavebeen,Ithinkwefigured30miles.

Gwen: Wouldthathavebeenhighschoolstudentsorgradeschoolstudents?

Joy: No,justthehighschoolstudents.

Gwen: Mm-hmm(affirmative).Whatdidyoudoatrecess?

Joy: WhatdidIdowhat?

Gwen: Atrecess?

Joy: Oh,wehadfun.Weplayedallkindsofgamesand1ofourmainthingswas

coasting.

Gwen: Whatwasthat?

Joy: Onasled.Wedonealotofthat.Ohandweplayedbaseball.Icanremembersomeyoungmenhelpedusplaybaseballandweplayedallkindsofgames.Oh,Jackswasagoodgame.

Gwen: Didtheboysandgirlsplaytogether?

Joy: IfIrememberright,yeah.

[00:31:00]Gwen:

Well,nowwe'llgotoSalidaandyourhighschoolyears.Whatcanyoutellmeaboutyourschool,yourteachers?

Joy:[00:32:00]

Well,ofcourseI'dneverbeeninabigschoolanditwasachallengeandIhadsomewonderfulteachersandImadeitfairlywell.Igraduatedinmyupper10oftheclassandtobedrugfromalittleschooltoabigschool,thatwaswork.Mylastyearitcostme$1togotoschool.Isoldmybookstobuymypresentbooks.IworkedforDeanRousein3subjectssothatwasshorthand,bookkeeping,andtyping.HefurnishedallmytypingpaperandIneverwenttotownandgotaCoke.Asfarasmybooksandeverything,itwas$1.

Gwen: WhatkindofworkdidyoudoforMr.Rouse?

Joy: Oh,wewrotetheschoolpaper.

Gwen: Oh.Whatwasthenameoftheschoolpaperthen.

[00:33:00]Joy:

Idon'tknow.WasitTenderfoot?Idon'tremember.Allmytypingthenhehadpaperandhe'dsay,"Oh,youcanusethispaper,"andIusedthatwithmytyping.

Gwen: Didyoufeelleftoutatallwhenyoucouldn'tgotohaveaCoke?

Joy: Iwasneverlefttofeelthatweweredeprivedofanything.Someway,somehow

theyalwaysmanaged,Iguess.

Gwen: Didyoubelongtoanyorganizationsinschool?Didtheyhaveany?

Joy: Therewasn't...

Gwen: Didtheyhaveanyorganizations?

Joy: Oh,yeah.Ibelongedto,nowwhatwasthat?Somethingaboutthegirls.Thegirls...Whatwasthat?

Gwen: WasitGirlsReserve.

Joy: Yeah,yes!Uh-huh(affirmative).

[00:34:00]Gwen:

Whatdoyourememberaboutthat?

Joy: Idon'tremember.See,I'dalwaysgohomeonweekendandIjustwantedto.Therewasn'tanythinghere.

Gwen: Youmentionedaboutgoingtodances.Wasthatwhenyouwereinschoolorwasthatafterschool.

Joy: ThatwasduringtheDepression.Whentheysay,I'vedancedattheSandPark.I'vedancedattheDobyor-What'stheoneunderreservationsnow?Uphereontheairportroad?

Gwen: Theoldschoolthey'regoingtorefurbish?

Joy: Uh-huh(affirmative).

Gwen: Ican'ttellyouwhatthenameofitis,butIknow.

[00:35:00]Joy:

WewenttoMaysvilleandAlder,Bonanza,VillaGrove.Thatwasourmainthing.Ofcourse,ifyougottogoonceamonththatwasabigdeal.

Gwen: Howdidyougetthereordidyouhaveadate?

Joy: Well,wehadthatShasta.PartofthetimeIhadaboyfriend.Theboyfriendmade$2andahalfadaysowe'dhavetomeetatthedifferent-Oh,andanelderlyman,justaprince,sawthatwegottogo.

Gwen: Youandyoursister?

Joy: Oh,mysisterandaneighborgirlandherbrother.Hejusttookacarloadofus.

Gwen: Mm-hmm(affirmative).Youdidn'thavetohaveadatetogotothedancethen?

[00:36:00]Joy:

Oh,no.Myfatherinheritedasetofdrums.I'vestillgotthemouthere.Hegotsohe'dpoundandanybodythatcouldplayachordthatwasourmusic.They'dlookthecrowdoverandiftherewereenoughmenthey'dchargethemanickelandthat'dpayfordaddy'sgas.Ifthereweren'tthatmanythey'dhavetomaybechargethemadime,butitpaidforthegastowhereverhewasgoing.They'dallfigureitout.Idancedalot.

Gwen: Whatkindofdancingdidyoudo?

Joy:[00:37:00]

Justanything.Oh,wegotintosquaredancingandmybrother-in-lawlearnedhowtocallasquareandwe'dhave1or2ofthoseintheevening.

Gwen: Didthesamebandplayforeachkindof-

Joy: Well,thenIgotsoItookmusiclessons.Let'ssee,oh,in1935webroughtmysisteroverheretograduate.ShehadbeenabletotakethefirstfewyearsofhighschoolthereatAlderbecausetheyjustdonethatandIremember,oh,ItookfromMrs.Rhodes-DoyourememberFrancesRhodes?

Gwen: Mm-hmm(affirmative).

Joy:[00:38:00]

Blessherheart.ShewouldgivememusiclessonsandthenIcouldpracticeonherpianosoIcouldput2notestogether.Someway,somehow,Igotstartedplayingthepianoandmysisterhadtakenenoughsaxophonelessonsthatshecouldplaythesaxophone.WegottoplayingforsomeyearsandIplayedforatleast10yearsfordances.

Gwen: Whokindofdirectedthebandorwasanybodyincharge?

Joy: Isaidtheyjustneedsomebody,thedancers,tostartthemandsomebodytostopthemandthat'sthewaywedone.Iplayedformanyandmanyfreeparties.

Gwen: Didtheyhavealotofpartiesthen?

Joy: Oh,somebodywouldgetmarriedorsomebody'dbeleavingthecountry.Thenyou'dhaveagettogether.

Gwen: WasthatduringProhibition?

[00:39:00]Joy:

Imean,yeah,theycoulddrink.Well,untilwehad-Isthatthingstillrunning?

Gwen: Mm-hmm(affirmative).

Joy:[00:40:00]

Well,weplayedatVillaGroveandwehadsuchgood,goodcrowds.Ohboy,they'dbetterhaveagoodorchestrasowegaveupthatandwewentdowntoMearRidge.ThatwasjustadanceplaceoutofMoffatthere.Wehadwonderful,wonderfulcrowds.Disciplined,well-disciplined.Thenwelostmymother.Well,thelastweekweplayedIplayed4timesin1week.Well,youdon'twantamarriageandamotherandstillbeoutthatmuch.

Gwen: Whenwasthatwhenyouquitplayingthen?

Joy: Oh,whenmotherdied.Wefigureditup,but...

Gwen: Ithinkitwas'48.

Joy: Yeah.Uh-huh(affirmative).

Gwen: DidyoueverplayinSalida?

Joy: Ohyeah.

Gwen: Wheredidyouplayhere?

Joy: Oh,upoveratWaggener'sDrugstore.

Gwen: Oh,upstairsthere?

Joy: Yeah.Irememberthatbecauseonetimewehadahardtimegettingaparkingplacecloseenoughtounloadthedrumsandallofthat.

Gwen: That'sat1standF.

[00:41:00]Joy:

Oneofourfamilystoodintheparkingplacewhiletheothersdrovearoundtheblockandcameback...Oh,andweplayedatBrown'sCanon.

Gwen: Now,whenyousayBrown'sCanon,whereinBrown'sCanon?Wasthereaschoolor?

Joy: Yeah,yeah.TherewasaschoolthereandSandPark.WeplayeddownatHooper.IthinkHooperwasthefarthest,butthenweplayedSaguachequiteabit.

Gwen: WherewastheschoolatBrown'sCanon?Wherewasitlocated?

Joy: It'stheretotheleft,thatbrick.

Gwen: Isthatoffofhighway291?

Joy: Waitaminutenow,theyconnect.Oh,theyconnectthere.291and280...

Gwen: 5?

Joy: Yeah,5inthatbrickbuildingthere.

[00:42:00]Gwen:

Thatisn'twhatusedtobeKing'sCrossing.

Joy: Yeah,butno,that'sadifferentbuildingbecauseit'sontherightandtheBrown's...

Gwen: Oh,Iknowwhereyoumeannow.Itisalmostacrossfromwhatusedtobearestaurantnow.It'sclosednow.

Joy: Uh-huh(affirmative).

Gwen: Okay,Iknowwhereyoumean.Becausetheoldroadcameinthere,didn'tit?

Joy: Yeah.Uh-huh(affirmative).

Gwen: Doyourememberwhentheyrebuiltthehighway?

Joy: IcanrememberwhentheybuiltthehighwayoverthroughtheSanLuisValley.

Gwen: PonchaPass?

Joy: Yeah,uh-huh(affirmative).

Gwen: Doyourememberwhatyearthatwas?

Joy: Uh-uh(negative).Icanrememberthetraingoingoutof-Thelastdayofthetrainsoverthere.

Gwen: Doyouhaveanyideawhatyearthatwas?

[00:43:00]Joy:

Oh,let'ssay,what?Let'ssee,'53?Weusedto,mykidsusedtowatchthetrainandIthinktheycouldhavebeen2or3yearsoldorsomething,rightalonginthere.

Gwen: Okay.Canyoutellmeanythingelseaboutyourhighschooldays?

Joy: No.LikeIsay,Ididn'tgotoverymanyfootballgamesbecausethefirstplaceIcouldn'taffordit.Inthesecondplace,wedidn'twanttostayintown.Wewantedtogetbackoverontheranch.Therewasmoreexcitementovertherethanwerewas...

Gwen: Intown,huh?

Joy: Yeah.

Gwen: DoyourememberanycelebrationsthatSalidahad?Specialcelebrations?

[00:44:00]Joy:

Oh,theyusedtohaveacircusandmydadhadtogotothecircuswhether10feetofsnowornot.

Gwen: Wheredidtheyhavethecircus?

Joy: Idon'tknow.Itseemstomelikeitwasdowntownsomewhere.They'dputupatent.

Gwen: Wouldhavebeenwherethebaseballfieldisnow,doyouthink?

Joy: No,Idon'trememberthat.

Gwen: Well,tellmewhenyouweremarried.

Joy: IwasmarriedApril6,1947.

Gwen: Whodidyoumarry?

Joy: ClarenceHumes.

Gwen: Mm-hmm(affirmative).Canyoutellmeaboutyourchildrenwhentheywereborn?

Joy: IhavealittlestepdaughterandIhavetwinboys.Youwereprobablyworkingatthehospital,wereyou?WhenIhadthetwinboys.

Gwen: Whatyearweretheyborn?

Joy: In'50.

[00:45:00]Gwen:

No,Iwasn'tthereyet.

Joy: Oh.

Gwen: Theywerebornin1950,whatdate?

Joy: The5th.

Gwen: Of?

Joy: February.

Gwen: February5th.Yourhusbandhadachildthenbeforeyouweremarried?

Joy: Yeah,uh-huh(affirmative).

Gwen: HernameisSharon.

Joy: Humes.

Gwen: Whenwassheborn?

Joy: February14,1946.

Gwen: Whatwerethetwinboys'names?

Joy: LaryandGary.1R,you'vegot1R.

Gwen: InLary?

Joy: Laryis1R.

Gwen: Allright.Weretheyevermarried?

[00:46:00]Joy:

LarywaskilledinanautoaccidentandGaryhasnevermarried.

Gwen: DoeshelivehereinSalida?

Joy: Doeshe?No,he'saprincipalinTrinidad.

Gwen: Oh,okay.WhataboutSharon?

Joy: She'sinAurora.

Gwen: Weretheyborninthehospital?

Joy: Dr.Hooveralwayscalledthemhismiraclechildren.Theyweren'texpectedtolive.The2ofthemdidn'tweigh7poundstogether.

Gwen: Theywereverysmallthen?

[00:47:00]Joy:

Uh-huh(affirmative).Well,1doctorwrotehisthesisoncareofbabiesorhumansandhebecomeaveryfamousdoctor,Ihear.

Gwen: Doyouknowwhathisnamewas?

Joy: Shepherd,JackShepherd.Didyoueverknowhim?

Gwen: No.Didhepracticemedicinehere?

Joy:[00:48:00]

No,hewasa-Youknow,Ilostcontactwithhim.HewasinColoradoSpringsandhewastakingacoursethereandhewouldcomevisitmeeveryshorttimebecausehewaswriting,Iguessit'sathesis,oncareofchildren.

Gwen: Wasitbecauseitwasamultiplebirthandtheyweresmallordoyouknow?

Joy: Idon'tknow.Ofcourse,Iwas,what?35?I'vethockeredthatup.Iwas37whentheywereborn.

Gwen: Youwereolderthanmostmothersfortheir1stbaby.

Joy: Yeah,yeah.

Gwen: Now,tellmealittlebitaboutthechildren.

Joy:[00:49:00]

Well,theybothwenttohighschoolhere.All3ofthemwenttohighschoolhere.LarywenttoVietnamaftergraduatingandhecamehomeafter,what?2yearsorwhatever.ThenhewenttocollegeinPuebloandwaskilledinacaraccident.GarygraduatedfromWesternStateand,well,hegotalmosthisPh.D.atGreeley.He'staught,what?30someyearsnow.He'staughtintheUniversityofGreeley.

Gwen: Well,tellmealittlebitaboutthedowntownarea,whatyourememberaboutit?

Joy: AtSalida.

Gwen: Uh-huh(affirmative).Someofthestoresandsomeofthepeople.

Joy: Well,IcanrememberaboutEverybody's.

Gwen: Okay,tellmeaboutEverybody'sandwhereitwaslocated.

Joy: Well,ifyouwantedanythingyoucouldbuyit.

Gwen: Whowerethepeoplethatranit?

[00:50:00]Joy:

Bud's.CooperandBud's,Dr.Bud'smotherandaunt.Ihavetotellyouabout-You'vegottenmetotalking.IhavetotellyouaboutalittlestoreinSaguache.Youcouldbuyanything,anythingthereandIwantedsomelittlesafetypins,goldsafetypin,andIwentinandIthought,"Oh,boy,"andIlookedatthewickerbasketsonthefloorandIwentoutandtookoffmysilkstockingsbecausestockingswasaprizeandItookthemoffandwentbackinthestore

andhunteduntilIfoundmypins.

Gwen: Becauseyouwereafraidyouweregoingtogetaruninyourhose?

Joy: Goingtogetarunner.Iwasn'tgoingtogetarunner.

Gwen: Wasthatduringthewar?

Joy: Huh?

Gwen: Wasthatduringthewar?

[00:51:00]Joy:

Oh,thatwasduringtheDepression,Iguess.Ithinkofthatsooften,takingmysocksoff.

Gwen: DoyourememberwhereEverybody'swaslocated?

Joy: Yeah,it'dbeacrossthealleyfromCrewsBeggs.Thenthelasttimeitwasover,let'sseeTuttle'sTradingPostusedtobeinthere.What'sintherenow?Itwasonthe...

Gwen: Itwasbetween2ndand3rdonFStreet.

Joy: Yeah,uh-huh(affirmative).Thatwasquitethestore,too.

Gwen: AnotherplaceyouhadmentionedwasY&RwhereyouboughtthePlymouth.

Joy: Well,they'retheonesthatgavemydadthecar.

Gwen: Right.Wherewasthatlocated?

[00:52:00]Joy:

Oh,whereActionwear?Isthatwhattheycallit?Acrossfromtheseniorcenter.

Gwen: Thatwouldbe3rdandF.Whoranthat?Doyouremember?

Joy: Well,BobO’Haverwasthemainoneandhissister,VevaYoung.Theywerevery,verygoodfriendsofours.

Gwen: Mm-hmm(affirmative).Whatotherstoresdoyouremember?

Joy: Oh,wehada...Whatwastheonedownon2ndandFonthecorneracrossfromLallier’s?Mymotherruntheboardinghousewhenwewerebuildingthedamsandshe'dgointheretodothegroceryshopping.ThatwassomekindofastoreandthenlittleSafewayIthinkiswhatwentinto.

[00:53:00]

Gwen: IrememberitatBoy’sMarket,butIdon'tknowwhatwasbeforethat.

Joy: Yeah,thatwasup.Yeah.

Gwen: Doyourememberwhoranthestore?

Joy: Cup,no.No,thatdon'tsoundright.

Gwen: Kerndt?

Joy: Thatdon'tsoundright.Ican'tthinkofwho.

Gwen: Canyouthinkofanyotherbusinessesthatyouwereinveryoften?

Joy: Oh,the(FirstNational)Bankwasuponthecorner.I'mkindofmaybestretchingit,butwashisnameFordWhite?Hewasanotheroneofmydad'sverygoodfriends.

[00:54:00]Gwen:

Thatwasonwest2ndandF,right?Wherethebanksetsbackanditsetrightuponthecurb?

Joy: Yeah,Ithink.Uh-huh(affirmative).

Gwen: Hewastherealongtime,right?

Joy: Yeah.ItoldyouI’drattle.Icanrememberwhentimesgotbettermydadgaveme$400toputinthebankandIhadanoldleatherraincoatandIputthatonandIputthat$400inmypocket.Itwentdown.Now,ofalltherisks,but,no.FordWhitewasaverygoodfriendofmydad's.

Gwen: Howlongdidyoukeepthe$400inthebank?Didtheypayyouinterestthen?

[00:55:00]Joy:

Idon'tremember,butIjustgottothinking,afterI'ddonethatIthought,"Howcareless!"

Gwen: Doyourememberanyspecialeventsoraccidentsorsomethingthatreallystuckoutinyourmindaboutsomethingthat'shappenedinSalidasinceyou'vebeenhere?

Joy: Uh-uh(negative).

Gwen: Nobankrobberiesoranythinglikethat?

Joy: Uh-uh(negative).No.We'rethankfulweliveinSalida.

Gwen: Tellmeaboutthat.WhyareyousothankfulyouliveinSalida?

Joy:[00:56:00]

Yeah,becauseyoucouldn'tgetanybetter.Iknowweboughtthispieceofgroundfor$500and$10tosurveyit.

Gwen: Here?

Joy: Thispieceoflandthatwe'vegothere.

Gwen: Howmanylotsdoyouhavehere?

Joy: 3.

Gwen: Whatyeardidyousay?Wasthat'49?

Joy: Westarteditin1949,butwemovedinhere-Waitaminute.No,no,no,no.1949becausewemovedinhereFebruary5,1958.Theboyswere8yearsold.

Gwen: Youworkedonitfor8years?

Joy: Huh?

Gwen: Didyouworkonitfor8years?Oryoujusthadthelotthatlong?

[00:57:00]Joy:

No,no.Weboughtitin'57then.WeboughtinAugustandthentheystarteditandwerenteduntilitwasbuilt.

Gwen: Wheredidyourent?

Joy: Well,youcouldn'tbuyahouseoryoucouldn'trentahouseandwedidn'twanttoputanymoneyinarentandwelivedupbythewaterworks,thedoctor.Whatdoctorwho'souttherenow?Welivedonthecornerthere.

Gwen: On,let'ssee.That's-

Joy: Idon'tknow,butanyway.Well,werentedtherebecauseithadalotofshedsandwehadsomuchjunkthatweneededashed.Well,whyintheSamhilldidn'twesellitinthefirstplaceorgiveitawayinsteadofrentingforthedarnshed?

[00:58:00]Gwen:

Idon'tknow.

Joy: Thenthereasonweboughthere,wewerelookingforourtransferfromAldertoSalida,butClarencewas2ndontheeligiblelist.

Gwen: Whatwashisjob?

Joy: Highway,workingpat-

Gwen: Highwaymaintenance?

Joy:[00:59:00][01:00:00]

Highwaymaintenance,yeah.Welookedandwewantedthelandacrossfromhere,Shewalter’s,buttheygotachancetosellitsothisladyonitshecalledmeupandwantedmetotakeitandIsaid,"Bessie,wedon'tknowwhetherwe'regoingtogetitandIdon'twantyoutoloseasale."Well,shefinallysolditsothenwecamehereandwesawthisandithadoldfencepostsandwireandbrokentreesandbrokenrocksandthisBessiesaid-ShehadbeenawonderfulschoolteacherinSaguache.Wesaid,"Well,wouldyousellusthat?""No,"shesaid,"Iwon'tsellittoyoubecauseit'strashy."Clarencekepttellingherandtherewasastockyardjustablockfromhereandanold,olddumpitygaragefromhereandfinally,well,shesaid,"I'llletyouhaveitfor500,"andwesurveyeditfor10soitcostus$510.

Gwen: Yousaid,theybuildit.Didsomeonebuildforyou?

Joy: Yeah,wehad-

Gwen: Doyourememberwhothecontractorwas?

Joy: Menas.

Gwen: Mm-hmm(affirmative).

Joy: HehadbuiltProvenza’s.

Gwen: StanProvenza?

Joy:[01:01:00][01:02:00]

Uh-huh(affirmative).Oh,mybrother-in-lawwasworkingforhim.ThisMenaswasoutofwork.Hedidn'thaveajobsotheystartedinourhouseandwefeellucky.Ifeelluckybecausemybrotherneededworkandactuallyputinanextranailwheneverhecould.2or3ofthementhatworkedwithhimhadworkedformyfatherwhentheywereyoungmen.Theydoneeverything,too.Well,mysistercamealongandshekindofdesigneditandshesaid,"Oh,don'tputthegarageoutthere.Itmakesitlooklikeacowshed."Shesaid,"Moveitback,"whichwasideal.Wehadabreezewaythroughthereandsomebodysaid,"That'sgoingtobenothingbutadirtcatcher."Well,theygottogetherandfor$80theyencloseditandputafloorinthere.Somebodywassittinghereandsaid,"Boy,shesurewouldhaveaniceviewifshehadabiggerwindow,"sosomebodyputawindowinforme.Kirby,youknowMr.Kirby?

Gwen: Mm-hmm(affirmative).HowardKirby?

Joy: Uh-huh(affirmative).Well,hewasbuildingandmakingcupboardsandhehadsomelumberleftoverandhewasn'tworkingsohebuiltsomemorecupboards.Itwasn'tourhouse.Itwastheirhouse.

Gwen: Mm-hmm(affirmative).Soundlikethatworkedoutprettywellforyou?

Joy: Oh,justworkedoutgreat.Wegottheplacefor$13,510.

Gwen: Altogetheritwasabout$2000forhouseandlot?

[01:03:00]Joy:

Imean,thisonecostus13forthehouse,Ithink,and5forthelandplusthesurveywas10.

Gwen: Itwas13,500forthehouseand510forthelotandthesurvey.

Joy: No,13forthehouse,500forthelot,and10forsurveying.

Gwen: Oh.

Joy: IthinkI'mright.

Gwen: Thatsoundsaboutright.Goingbacktowhatyousaidaboutastockyardsbeingnearhere.Doyouremembertheexactlocationofthat?

Joy: Aboutwherethepatiois.

Gwen: Didtheyhaveauctionsthere?

Joy: Oh,yeah.

Gwen: Doyouknowwhohadthat?

[01:04:00]Joy:

Yeah,I'lltellyouinaminute.Oh,shoot.Thebrothersaretwins.IthinkI'mrightthen.Oh,shoot.Ican'trememberthename.Wehadthelawn,wejustputthelawninwhenacowgotlooseanditjustcomeupanditwentacrossourlawn.Ididn'thaveany...Oh,theyweretwinsandtheyhadpracticallythesamename.Theyhaditforyears.

Gwen: DidtheyhavethestockyarddownoffofHighway50,too?

Joy: No,itwasjustavery,veryshorttimeandtheymovedoutthere.See?Weluckedoutanditwasavery,veryshorttimethattheytoredownthatolddilapidatedgarage,buttherewasn'tanyhouseshere.

[01:05:00]Gwen:

Inthisblockyou'rein?

Joy: No,weweretheonlyhouse.Frazeesownedthisground.Ofcourse,youknewFrazees.

Gwen: Mm-hmm(affirmative).

Joy: Iheardthathesaid,"I'llneversellthoselotsaslongasthere'sboysinthis

community."BecausehehadFredProvenza’sboyandhedidn'tsell.Whetherthere’struthinthatornot,buthedidn'tselluntilourkidswereoutofhighschool.

Gwen: Well,nowMrs.Shewalterlived?

Joy: Rightoverhere.

Gwen: Rightbehindyouhereacrossthealley?ThenFrazeesweretheonlyotheronesonthisblock?

[01:06:00]Joy:

No,therewas1housebetweenthem.Oh,no,no,no,no.Whowasthehousebetweenthem?Theyhadadairy.

Gwen: Ulrich?

Joy: Huh?

Gwen: Ulrich?

Joy: Yeah,Ikindofthink,Ithinktheyhadit.ThenFrazeesonthecorneroverthere.Yeah.

Gwen: ThatfacedDStreet?TheyfacedD?

Joy: Uh-huh(affirmative).ThisyardwasfullofboysallofthetimebecauseforuswewereacrossthehighwayandMartinez'sdownbelowhereoraboutwhereTrueValueis.Theyhad2or3boys.

[01:07:00]Gwen:

Youhadayardfullofboys.

Joy: Wealwayshadayardfullofkids.Usedtowatchthetrainscomeby.Thatwasabigthing.

Gwen: Tellmeaboutthat.

Joy: Well,wedidn'tgetadivorce,butwealmost.Clarence'dhavetowork.He'dgetSaturdayafternoonoffsoI'dbereadytocometotownwith3littleonesandwe'dcometotown,butwe'dhavetogowatchthetraincomeinbeforewecouldgotoSafewayandshop.

Gwen: Wasthatbecausehelikedtrainssomuch?

Joy: Andthelittleones.Theylikedit,too,yeah.Theyalwayswantedtogoseethe

train.

[01:08:00]Gwen:

Werethereverymanytrainsgoingthroughthen?

Joy: Yeah,Iguess.ThereusedtobeatraingoingthroughSanLuisValleyrightpasttheranch.

Gwen: Doyoumissthetrains?

Joy: Hmm?

Gwen: Doyoumissthetrains?

Joy:[01:09:00]

Onetimeitsnowedsodarndeepthattogetbacktoschoolweweregoingtocatchthetrainthatwentthroughmyfolk'sranch.Idon'tknowhowwerememberedit,butanywaytheystoppedandputmysisterandIonthistrainandjustaswewenttogetonthelittledoggoton,too,andsomebodygrabbeditbythehindlegandkeptitfromcomingtoschoolwithus.Ican'trememberhowtheyknewtostopforustopickusuptobringusbacktoschool.

Gwen: Wheredidyoucatchthetrain?

Joy: Oh,youhadtocometoSalida.

Gwen: Oh,youcametoSalida.Itsnowedsomuchhereyougotonthetraintogohome,then?

Joy: No,thatwasjusttogetonfrom,we'dbeenhomefortheweekend,Iguess,andthetrainwasgoingfromdowninthevalleyovertoSalida,butIdon'tknowwhereweever...Maybewewerejustoutthereandlookedpitifulandtheystopped.Idon'tknow.

Gwen: Becauseordinarilytheywouldn'thavestoppedthere.

Joy: Yeah,ohno.Ohno.Uh-uh(negative).

Gwen: Didyouknowanyofthetrainmen?

Joy: Oh,no.

[01:10:00]Gwen:

Onthattrain?

Joy: Iguess.BygoingtoschoolhereandworkinginthevalleyIguessweknewpracticallyeverybody.

Gwen: Doyouknowwherethattrainoriginated,wheretheystarted?

Joy: Well,it'dcomestraightupthevalleyfromAlamosato,well,becauseitwent

throughVillaGrove.Wherediditgo?I'mprettysureitwentstraightupthevalley.Itdidn'tgoovertothehighway,oh,thestraighthighwayoverhere?

Gwen: Monarch?

[01:11:00]Joy:

No,theonethatwentdownSanLuisValleytotheright.Whatdidtheycallthat?Becauseitwent,oh,IknowIrememberitwentthroughHoopersoitmusthavegonejustdowntotheleftofusthere.TotherightisSangredeCristosalltheway.

Gwen: ThenitstoppedhereinSalida.Thendiditgobackordiditgosomeplaceelse?

Joy: No,it'dmeetgoingtoMinturnwouldn'tit?

Gwen: Probably.Mm-hmm(affirmative).

Joy: Becausethiswouldbetheend.Oh,yeah,thenitwentupthroughBuenaVistaandlikethat.Well,itcouldn'tgoanyfartherbecauseTenderfoot.

Gwen: Thatwayitcouldn't.

[01:12:00]Joy:

Ithadtomeet.Ithadtobesouth.

Gwen: Doyouremembermuchabouttherailroadyardssinceyouwentdownquiteoften?

Joy: Idon'tknow.Well,Mr.YoungoftheYandRworkedfortherailroad.

Gwen: Mm-hmm(affirmative).Whathaveyounoticedthat'schangedinSalida?

Joy: Huh?

Gwen: Whathavenoticedthat'schangedinSalida?Whatkindofchangeshaveyounoticed?

Joy:[01:13:00]

Well,I'vechangedbecauseeverybodyIknewhasdied.Oh,Idon'tknow.It'sjustsomuchbigger.EveryplacehasaWal-Well,youusedtohavelittlestoresaround.Youhavebigstores.Youcan'tfindaplacetogoparktogotochurch.

Gwen: Canyoutellmealittlebitaboutyourchurch?Hasitchanged?

Joy: Yes.Idon'tfeellikeI'mtheonlyone.They'vejustgonebeyond.

Gwen: Whatdoyoumeanthey'vegonebeyond?

[01:14:00]Joy:

It'smoresocialsociety.Idon'tknow.Ofcourse,I'mthe-Oh,IthinkIamoneoftheoldestifnottheoldestmemberwhooccasionallyattendschurch.TheytellmeBillCookhasgonetherelongerthanIhave.Naturally,I'mthe-Well,they'rejustallgone.

Gwen: Wasanyofyoursociallifearoundthechurchwhenyouwereyounger?Imean,didtheyhavegettogethers,picnics,oranything?

Joy:[01:15:00]

Oh,yes,I'vealwaysbeencountingmyblessingswiththechurchbecausetheywerejustagood,goodgroup,Ithought.Wehaddedicatedteachersandwhenwejoinedtheyhadawonderfulelderlygroupofpeople,butnow,likeIsay,I'mabouttheoldestone.Blessyourheart.There'smyhummingbird.Ijusttookmyfeedersdown.Yeah,Ithinkallchurcheshavechanged.Whatchurchdoyougoto?Apersonshouldn'taskthatquestionanymore?

Gwen: Well,isthereanythingelseyou'dliketotellmeaboutyourlifethatwehaven'tcovered?

Joy:[01:16:00]

Well,IthinkIgottoknowallthepeopleintheSanLuisValleybecauseduringtheDepressionpeoplewerejustaboutreadytolosetheirranchesandmyfatherwasoneofthefirsttohelpstarttheMonteVistaCreditProductionAssociation.

Gwen: Now,wasthatsomethingthathelpedloanpeoplemoneysotheydidn't-

Joy: Thepeopleandhelpedthemworktogether.Mm-hmm(affirmative).

Gwen: Isitstillgoingordoyouknow?

Joy: Yeah,theytellmeitis.Hedidn'tpayfortheranchbyowing$300andhedidthatsohecouldkeepamembershipinthisassociation.ThatwayIgottoknowpeople.

Gwen: DoyouthinktheweatherhaschangedinSalidasinceyou've-

Joy: Oh,definitely.Definitely.

Gwen: Whatkindofchangeshaveyounoted?

[01:17:00]Joy:

Well,youdon'twearapairofovershoesanymore.Youdon'tevenownapair.Oh,it'schangedallover.

Gwen: Forthosethatdon'tknowwhatovershoesare,canyoutellmewhattheyare.

Joy: You'dpullonanothershoethatwentoveritandyearsagotheyhadabuckle

whenyouputthistongueoverandthenyouflappedthisthingoverhereandthatmadeit,youputitin.Thentheygotmodernandyouhadzippersandyoudidn'tgoanywhere,4thofJulyorotherwise,thatyoudidn'ttakeyourovershoes.

Gwen: Becauseyoudidn'tknowwhatwasgoingtohappen,huh?

Joy: Yeah.

Gwen: Doyoueverrememberitsnowingon4thofJuly?

[01:18:00]Joy:

No,notquite,butmylittlegirlgotsoshe'dsay,"Daddy,canwegoifitdon'tsnow?"It'dbe4thofJuly.Oh,yes.Inthehayfieldwehadasnowonthehay.

Gwen: Inthefall?

Joy: Mm-hmm(affirmative).Well,yeah,September.Oh,yes,snowgotsodeep.Blizzards.

Gwen: ThewindblowsinSalida?

Joy: Yeah,yeah.Well,ofcourse,Ihadovershoeshere,butIneverhadapairformykidsgoingtoschool.Theyhadjustneverheardofit.

Gwen: Joy,beforeweendthisdoyourememberanypeoplewe'dcallcharactersthatwerealittledifferentinSalida?Doyoueverrememberanybodythatyouwouldsaywas,well,weusuallyjustsaycharacters,butalittledifferent.Didn'tgotothesamedrummer?

[01:19:00]Joy:

Uh-uh(negative).IcouldgiveyoutwoorthreeinSaguache,butthatdon'tmeananythingtoyou.Ican'tthink.No.Weknewthem,ofcourse,alltheHutchinsons,buttheywereuprightpeople.