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May 2013 doc.: IEEE 802.22-11/0xxxr00
IEEE P802.22Wireless RANs
2013 May Interim Working Group Meeting Minutes for IEEE 802.22
Notice: This document has been prepared to assist IEEE 802.22. It is offered as a basis for discussion and is not binding on the contributing individual(s) or organization(s). The material in this document is subject to change in form and content after further study. The contributor(s) reserve(s) the right to add, amend or withdraw material contained herein.
Release: The contributor grants a free, irrevocable license to the IEEE to incorporate material contained in this contribution, and any modifications thereof, in the creation of an IEEE Standards publication; to copyright in the IEEE’s name any IEEE Standards publication even though it may include portions of this contribution; and at the IEEE’s sole discretion to permit others to reproduce in whole or in part the resulting IEEE Standards publication. The contributor also acknowledges and accepts that this contribution may be made public by IEEE 802.22.
Patent Policy and Procedures: The contributor is familiar with the IEEE 802 Patent Policy and Procedures <http://standards.ieee.org/guides/bylaws/sb-bylaws.pdf>, including the statement "IEEE standards may include the known use of patent(s), including patent applications, provided the IEEE receives assurance from the patent holder or applicant with respect to patents essential for compliance with both mandatory and optional portions of the standard." Early disclosure to the Working Group of patent information that might be relevant to the standard is essential to reduce the possibility for delays in the development process and increase the likelihood that the draft publication will be approved for publication. Please notify the Chair Apurva N. Mody <[email protected]> as early as possible, in written or electronic form, if patented technology (or technology under patent application) might be incorporated into a draft standard being developed within the IEEE 802.22 Working Group. If you have questions, contact the IEEE Patent Committee Administrator at <[email protected]>.
Abstract
This document contains the minutes of the IEEE 802.22 Working Group 2013 May Interim Meeting held in Kona, HI, USA from 13th May 2013 to 17th May 2013.
13 th May Monday PM1 (WG Opening Plenary) Vice Chairman Dr Pyo called the meeting to order at 1:45 PM EST. 10 people were in the room at the opening of the session.
Dr Apurva joined from teleconference. Dr Apurva welcomed the participants and apologized for the absence of the meeting.
Zhang Xin will act as a secretary for the P802.22.
1.2 Approval of Agenda
Motion #1 Approal of Agenda
Move to Approve the Agenda as shown in Document 22-13-0072 Rev1(https://mentor.ieee.org/802.22/dcn/13/22-13-0072-01-0000-may-interim-working-group-agenda.xls)Move: Chang-woo PyoSecond: HwangFor: 7 Against: 0 Abstain: 0Motion Passes. Agenda is approved
1.3 Approval of the minutes of the last session
The minutes of the 802.22 March Plenary Meeting can be found at:https://mentor.ieee.org/802.22/dcn/13/22-13-0077-00-0000-march-plenary-working-group-meeting-minutes.doc
Motion #2 Approval of Agenda
Move to Approve the 802.22 working group March Plenary meeting minute at Orlando as shown in Document 22-13-0077 Rev0 (https://mentor.ieee.org/802.22/dcn/13/22-13-0077-00-0000-march-plenary-working-group-meeting-minutes.doc)Move: Chang-woo PyoSecond: HwangFor: 7 Against: 0 Abstain: 0Motion Passes. Agenda is approved2. Administrative matters
Chair reviewed the usual administrative slides on Patent Policy, Letter of Assurance, etc.
Chair mentioned that the attendance recording is being done electronically as usual. There were no new participants.
3. Update on the latest regulatory issue was briefed.
4. 802.22 product was displayed in NAB labs Future Park exhibition held in Las Vegas last month. It attracted many interested parties. Chair gave a very detail report on the event.
5. Vice Chair attended the 802 chair meeting Sunday, some discussions in the meeting was reported. 1. Financial reports 2. Interim meeting reports. 3. Discussion of future meeting locations, possible two Asia locations and one European location.
6. Liason report between 802.22 and 802.18.
7. Liason report between 802.22 and 802.19.
8. Liason report between 802.22 and 802.15.4m.
9. Liason report between 802.22 and 802.22b.
10. WSA. Two new companies showed interest in WSA. They will possibly join in the near future.
11. The meeting was recessed at 14.30 PM.
13 th May Monday PM2 802.24 1. The meeting was called to order by Chair at 4:00 PM.
The following officers were present:
Chair - James GilbVice Chair - Tim GodfreyAppt. Mtg. Secretary - Clint Powell
2 Opening Slides as contained in doc. # 24-13-0022-00 was reviewed.
3. Attendance reminder - register in 802.24• Reciprocal credit will be given automatically if you are reg. for one other group
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• If you register from more than 1 other group IMAT will ask which group you want reciprocal credit for.
4. The agenda for this week as contained in document 24-13-0019-02-0000 was reviewed and approved.
5. The minutes from January meeting as contained in document 24-13-0012-00 was reviewed and
approved.
(agenda incorrectly states as January mins.)
Moved: Phil Beecher2nd: Tim GodfreyNo discussionApproved - No Objections
6. Discussion of 802.15.4e/g PAP2 matrix (as contained in document no: 24-13-0021-00) was carried
out. A new version of PAP2 matrix (as contained in document no: 24-13-0021-01) will be uploaded to
the mentor soon.
7. The response for ITU-R question 236/1 (as contained in document no: 18-12-0023) was reviewed.
8. Action Item to Tim to follow up on items in Section 1
9. Action Item to Clint to follow up on items in Section 2
10. P2030.5 formed to adopt SEP2, Bob Heile (Chair of P2030.5) to be liaison and report at each mtg.
of 802.24
11. The meeting was recess at 5:40 PM.
14 th May Tuesday AM2 802.22b 1. The meeting was called to order by Chair at 1030 AM.
2. Chair reminded everyone to mark attendance.
3. The patent policy was read out as well as the Title, PAR and Purpose of 802.22b task group.
4. The agenda as contained in 22-13-0078-00-000b for the coming week was reviewed. The following
motion was proposed to approve the agenda.
Motion #3:
Motion to approve 2013 Mar Orlando Plenary agenda for 802.22b task group as contained in 22-13-
0078-00-000b
Move: Chang-woo Pyo
Second: Zhang Xin
No objection was heard. Motion passed.
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5. Achievements in March meeting were reviewed. During the previous face-to-face meeting, 6
technical contributions were received and presented.
6. The timeline for creating draft document was reviewed and show that our current progress is on
schedule.
7. Chair reviewed the face-to-face meeting minute as well as the teleconference minutes.
Motion #4:
Motion to approve 2013 Mar Orlando meeting minute for 802.22b task group as contained in 22-13-
0080-00-000b
Move: Chang-woo Pyo
Second: Sunghyun Hwang
No objection was heard. Motion passed.
Jerry Kalke joined from teleconference.
8. Review of teleconference meetings. There were total 5 teleconferences conducted between March and
May face-to-face meeting. The teleconference meeting minute was reviewed one by one. The following
motion was proposed.
Motion #5:
Motion to approve 802.22b task group teleconference minutes as contained in
22-13-0062-01-000b
22-13-0064-00-000b
22-13-0071-00-000b
22-13-0075-00-000b
22-13-0076-00-000b
Move: Chang-woo Pyo
Second: Zhang Xin
No objection was heard, Motion passed.
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8. Discussion of time slots for each technical contribution. There were total 3 technical contributions for
this face-to-face meeting.
Tuesday May 14th PM1: Resource allocation for IEEE 802.22b system. Dr Hwang
Wednesday May 15th AM1:
Wednesday May 15th AM2: MAC and PHY modification, Dr Sasaki, Dr Zhao
Schedule of IEEE 802.22b Technical items by HiKE, Dr Toh
Thursday May 16th AM1:
Thursday May 16th AM2: Comparison of Channel Models for Devices with Low-Height Antennas, Dr
Villardi
9. There were discussions of difference between 802.22 and 802.22b. Several suggestions were pointed out to enhance the functionality of 802.22b
9.1 It has to be economically competitive.9.2 Another advantage point is 802.22 and 802.22b co-exist in the same device. 9.3 The device is better to have small battery and compact.9.4 Low capacity device is expected to be low cost.9.5 Another possible application of 802.22b is to work with TV tuner.9.6 Trade off between flexibility and cost-effective. Right now, 802.22 is rather flexible. 9.7 It was suggested to have a comparison between 802.22 and 802.22b from the
implementation point of view.
10. The meeting was recessed at 1200 PM.
14 th May Tuesday PM1 P802.22b Enhancements for Broadband Services and Monitoring Applications 1. The meeting was called to order by Chair at 1:30 PM.
2. “Proposed Text of PHY technical items relate to Section 9.1 and 9.2 of the Std 802.22-2011”
(document number: 22-13-0070-00-000b) is presented.
Q: Is the sampling factor different for different bandwidth?
A: They are the same, which is 28/25*(required bandwidth-1).
Q: It was once suggested to remove the SCH. Is this feature deleted from the 1k mode or 802.22b whole
group? If the answer is latter, it means we will remove superframe. This indicates a large amount of
changes from the base standard.
A: Yes, we understand that. We need to dicuss this more in the whole group and consider carefully.
3. “Resource allocation for 802.22b System” (document number: 22-13-0088-01-000b) is presented.
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Q: Is the H-CPE here mobile, because it is shown to be placed on the vehicle?
A: 802.22 system doesn’t support high-speed communication, so the mobile group considered here
doesn’t move very fast. I assume it is stationary here. It can be changed to portable.
Q: What is the operating channel?
A: It is the channel currently used in that network. If there is only one channel, we will share the
resource between the base station and the L-CPEs.
Q: The number of bits for resource allocation is 12 bits. Can we support up to 4k devices?
A: We support the minimum number of devices; I think it should be ok
Q: Slide 7, the size of DS/US-MAP IE, should it be the integer number of bits?
A: Yes, we will use padded bits.
Q: Slide 15, who controls the adding and deleting of a device?
A: Base station.
4. The meeting was recessed at 3:15 PM.
14 th May Tuesday PM2 P802.24 1. The meeting was called to order by Chair at 4:00 PM.
2. Today’s agenda is to discuss the response to JTC 236-1 (Document number: 24-13-0023-01).
3. Ben volunteered to help add 15.4 details. Updated document would be posted as 24-13-0023-02
4. The meeting was recessed at 4:48 PM.
15 th May Wednesday AM1 P802.22b Enhancements for Broadband Services and Monitoring Applications1. The meeting was called to order by Chair at 8:30 AM.
2. “802.22b CPE initialization” (Document no: 22-13-0060-00-000b) was presented.
2.1 Concern was raised when S-CPE was in the keep-out region which may cause interference to
other TV incumbents.
2.2 Concern was raised regarding the texting of the document. It is suggested to carefully use the
word “superframe”, because in 802.22b the superframe structure will be removed.
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2.3 A new terminology is suggested to propose for L-CPE and S-CPE, because CPE represents
something a little big in the house, with the antenna on the roof. Chair applauded such suggestion and
called for innovative idea.
3. The meeting was recess at 10:00 AM.
15 th May Wednesday AM2 P802.22b Enhancements for Broadband Services and Monitoring Applications1. The meeting was called to order by Chair at 10:30 AM.
2. “Proposed Text of PHY technical items related to Section 9.6 of the STd.802.22-2011” (document no:
22-13-0066-01-000b) was presented.
In audience’s understanding, 802.22b has one MAC and two completely different PHY. Concern was
raised on how to organize the draft.
3. “Proposed Text of PHY technical items related to Sections 9.7, 9.8 and 9.9 of the Std. 802.22-2011”
(document no: 22-13-0070-00-000b) was presented.
Doubts were raised on patterns of CDMA ranging. Authors reply that this pattern is desired because
802.22b is designed to support a large number of subscribers.
4. “Proposed PHY Technical Items for the IEEE802.22b” (document no: 22-13-32-02-000b) was
presented. “Proposed Text for MAC Text for the IEEE 802.22b” (document no: 22-13-82-00-000b) was
presented next.
5. “Proposed Text for the IEEE 802.22b” (document no: 22-13-0081-00-000b) was presented.
Doubt was raised about the feasibility of 256-QAM implementation in the market. Also the complexity
of device and cost that would be caused by 256 QAM poses some hidden challenge in 802.22b.
Authors expressed the difficulty from University to build prototype, but they are willing to provide some
measurements supporting the proposal.
Doubt was also raised about the modulation schemes that could be actually supported in the 802.22
system.
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6. “Schedule of IEEE 802.22b MAC Technical Items by Hitachi Kokusai Electri” (document no: 22-13-
0083-00-000b) was presented.
7. The meeting was recessed at 1230PM.
15 th May Wednesday PM1 Discussion of 802.22 input to 802.18 1. The meeting was called to order by Vice Chair at 1:36 PM.
2. Dr Apurva and Ranga Reddy joined from teleconference.
3. “802.22.1 Advanced Beaconing Schedule and Timelines” (Document no: 22-13-0084-00-000b) was
presented.
4. “TGa SB1 Comment Database” (Document no: 22-13-0055-01-000b) was presented and discussed.
5. “Comments of IEEE 802” (Document no: 18-13-0064-02-0000) was presented and discussed.
The following motion was proposed:
Motion #6
Move to authorize the 802.22 WG Chair to forward, Document 22-13-0085 Rev0 to 802.18 RR-TAG as preliminary input for the FCC UNII Band NPRM. Allow 802.22 Chair or any other representative (e. g. Mr. Peter Flynn or Mr. Ivan Reede) to make modifications based on the inputs from 802.18 to represent the position of the 802.22 Working Group. Move: Chang-woo Pyo Second: Peter Flynn Discussion: None For: 6 Against: 0 Abstain: 0 Motion Passes Unanimously
6. The meeting was recessed at 1525 PM.
15 th May Wednesday PM2 P802.24 1. The meeting was called to order by Chair at 4:00 PM.
2. Discussion of ITU-R response.
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Based on the work done yesterday we need to complete stuff ITU-R document 24-13-023-03 for
802.18. Chair asked if there are any objections to chair and vice-chair working off line on the document
and taking it to 802.18 Thursday morning. There were no objections.
3. Updates of 5C document.
James states that 802.24 does not do PARs so the document on 5c update is not relevant. Those
interested should review documents EC 13-0009-06 and 13-0024—2 which can be found on EC doc
page on Mentor.
4. Review of action items
Do we need to submit the formal PAP02 response as to why we do not believe the model is
appropriate for Mesh networks. We have submitted this and had a response from PAP02. No further
action required. We need to specify document reference for ITU-R response: this is Smart Grid
SystemRequirements Specification rev5.
IEEE has joined SGIP2.0 chair appoints Clint Powell as SGIP2.0 Liaison for 802.24. Clint will report
back at next meeting on what he considers to be important. Chair states he should coordinate with Bill
Ash.
5. 15.4 updates to NIST wireless matrix.
0021-01 is posted – chair asks if there are any comments? Are there any objections to
forwarding to PAP02? There are no objections – Gilb will forward.
Do we need any conference calls? No one responds.
Clint Powell is working on a paper for IEEE online green con (conference)– describes 802.24,
mentions .11, .15, .16 and .22 8 page limit - currently at 6 pages.
Gilb describes the situation w.r.t. supporting/sponsoring Clint’s attendance at the conference to present
the paper. Will pursue off-line.
Gilb asks if there is any other business? None heard.
Gilb declares that attendance is about to become final. Attendance is closed.
6. The meeting was adjourned at 4:20 PM.
Thursday AM1 P802.22b Enhancements for Broadband Services and Monitoring Applications1. The meeting was called to order by Chair at 8:30 AM.
2. “802.22b Ranging” (Document no: 22-13-0069-00-000b) was presented.
3. “802.22b General Frame”(Document no: 22-13-74-00-000b) was presented.
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Concern was raised that, the general frame here may force the worst case scenario.
4. The following motion is proposed: Motion #7
Move to authorize the 802.22 WG Chair to forward, Document 22-13-0087 Rev0 [https://mentor.ieee.org/802.22/dcn/13/22-13-0087-00-0000-802-22-inputs-to-itu-question-236-on-smart-grid-power-management-systems.docx] to 802.18 RR-TAG as preliminary input for the ITU Question 236. Allow 802.22 Chair or any other representative (e. g. Mr. Peter Flynn or Mr. Ivan Reede) to make modifications based on the inputs from 802.18 to represent the position of the 802.22 Working Group. Move: Chang-woo Pyo Second: Peter Flynn Discussion: None For: 8Against: Abstain: Motion Passes Unanimously 5. The meeting was recessed at 10:00 AM.
Thursday AM2 P802.22b Enhancements for Broadband Services and Monitoring Applications1. The meeting was called to order by Chair at 10:35 AM.
2. Jerry Kalke joined from teleconference.
3. “Comparison of Channel Models for Devices with Low-Height Antennas” (Dcoument no: 22-13-
0086-00-000b) was presented.
2.1. Audience shows interest in knowing the exact communication distance between the two
models.
2.2. Audience is interested in knowing the environment of making all the calculations.
2.3 Low-antenna model doesn’t have a frequency component; does it mean it can be applied in
every spectrum band? Author reply, this model is measured in the 800 MHz, he doesn’t suggest to run
the risk to model bands that are far from 800 MHz.
4. All contributions are done for this face-to-face meeting. Chair discussed the schedule of future
teleconference from now till July face-to-face meeting.
Eastern time 9 PM (the next day Japan/Korean 10 am)
5. The meeting was adjourned at 1140 AM.
Thursday PM1 Closing Plenary
The meeting was called to order by Apurva at 1:25PM.7 People in the room, 7 voting members
Motion#8Move to approve the modified agenda of the May 2013 Interim Meeting as presented in Document 22-13-72-02-0000.
Move: Apurva Mody Second: Chang-Woo PyoIs there any objection to approving this motion? No objection, Motion passes
Closing Report- 802.22b task group
We had several technical contributions. Also, we have scheduled several teleconferences in between. We had great achievements in this face-to-face meeting.
- 802.22 TG 1- 802.19- 802.15.4m
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They completed second re-circulation ballot. 75% approval. 25 comments are received and all
comments are resolved during this Hawaii face-to-face meeting. They plan to complete the
standardization work before Dec.
- WSA
We have a booth at NAB labs Future Park exhibition held in Las Vegas last month.
Survey of the location:How many people like this location? 6Food at the social was good.
El Ezabi Ayman U. of CairoFranklin Antony ETRIFlynn Peter Texas InstrumentsHuh Jae Doo ETRIBims HarryGurley Tom IEEE BTSHoang VinhDien NICTHwang Sunghyun ETRIHarada Hiroshi NICT, JapanHou Victor BroadcomHwang Sung Hyun ETRI, KoreaInoko Takuya Niigaata UniversityJeong Byung Jang ETRI, KoreaKalke Jerome J. CBS
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Kang Hynduk ETRIKim Kihong SelfKo Gwangzeen ETRI, KoreaLee Donghun ETRI, KoreaLei Zhongding I2R, SingaporeLin Pin-Hsun NICT, JapanLu Liru NICTLynch Michael MJLA LLCMody Apurva BAE SystemsMurai Shinji HitachiNafie Mohammad U. of CairoNguyen An Department of Homeland
SecurityOodo Masayuki NICT, JapanPing Ping Xu SEU.eduNakamura Akira TamilabPyo Chang-Woo NICT, JapanRahman Mohammad NICT, JapanSasaki Shigenobu Niiagata UniversitySeki Hiroyuki FujitsuShellhammer Steve QualcommSong Chunyi NICT, JapanTakahashi Nobuyuki NiigaataTawil Victor NABToh Keat, Beng HitachiWang Junyi NICT, JapanWatanabe Hidenori Niigaata UniversityVillardi Gabriel NICT, JapanZhang Xin NICT, JapanZhao Bingxuan Niigaata University
Note: Participants who had voting status appear in bold.
Apurva Mody (BAE Systems) participated over the phone line.
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