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Foreword iii

Introductory Note xi

Statement of Information 1

Statement of Information and Supporting Evidence 69

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STATEMENT O19 INFORMATION

H E A R I N G S

BEFORE THE

COMMITTEE OWN THEJUDICIARY

HOI:TSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

NINETY-THIRD CONGRESS

SECOND SESSION

PIJR61JANT TO

H. Res. 803A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING AND DIRECTING THE COMMITTEE

ON THE JUDICIARY TO INVESTIGATE WHETHER SUFFICIENTGROUNDS EXIST FOR THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TO

EXERCISE ITS CONSTITUTIONAL POWER TO IMPEACH

RICHARD M. NIXONPRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

BOOK II

EVENTS FOLLOWINGTHE WATERGATE BREAK-IN

June 17,1972-February 9,1973

MAY—JUNE 1974

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COMMITTEE ON THE JUDICIARY

PETER W. RODINO, JO., New Jersey, Chairman

HAROLD D. DONOHUE, Massachusetts EDWARD HUTCHINSON, Michigan

JACK BROOKS, Texas ROBERT MCeLORY, Illinois

ROBERT W. KASTENMEIER, Wisconsin HENRY P. SMITH III, New York

DON EDWARDS, California CHARLES W. SANDMAN, Jo., New Jersey

WILLIAM L. HUNGATE, Missouri ~~A.

JOHN CONFERS, JR., Michigan

JOSHUA EILBERG, Pennsylvania

JEROME R. WALDIE, California

WALTER FLOWERS, Alabama

JAMES R. MANN, South Carolina

PAUL S. SARBANES, Maryland

JOHN F. SEIBERLING, Ohio

GEORGE E. DANIELSON, California

ROBERT F. DRINAN, Massaehusetts

CHARLES B. RANGEL, New York

BARBARA JORDAN, Texas

RAY THORNTON, Arkansas

ELIZABETH HOLTZMAN, New York

WAYNE OWENS, Utah

EDWARD MEZVINSRY, Iowa

TOM RAILS BACK, IllinoisCHARLES E. WIGGINS, CaliforniaDAVID W. DENNIS, IndianaHAMILTON FISH, JH., New YorkWILEY MAYNE, IowaLAWRENCE J. HOGAN, MarylandM. CALDWELL BUTLER, VirfiniaWILLIAM S. COHEN, MaineTRENT LOTT, MississippiHAROLD V. FROEHLICH, WisconsinCARLOS J. MOORHEAD, CaliforniaJOSEPH J. MARAZITI, New JerseyDELBERT L. LATTA, Ohio

JoHN DEAR, Special CounselALBERT E. JENNER, Jr., Special Counsel to the MinorityJOSEPH A. WOODS, Jr., Senior Associate Special Counsel

RICHARD CATES, Senior Associate Special CounselBERNARD W. NUSSBAUM, Senior Associate Special Counsel

ROBERT D. SACK, Senior Associate Special CounselFROBEBT A. SHELTON, Associate Special CounselSAMUEL GARRISON III, Deputy Sonority Counsel

FRED H. ALTSHULER, CounselTHOMAS BELL, CounselW. PAUL BISHOP, CounselROBERT L. BROWN, CounselMICHAEL M. CONWAY, CounselRUFUS COB3SIER, Special AssistantE. LEE DALE, CounselJoHN B. DAVID80N, CounselEVAN A. DAVIS, CounselCONSTANTINE J. GEKAS, CounselRICHARD H. GILL, CounselDAGMAR HAMILTON, CounselDAVID HANES, Special AssistantJoHN E. KENNAHAN, CounselTERRY R. KIRKPATRICK, CounselJOHN R. LABOVITZ, CounselLAUBANCE LUCCHINO, CounselR. L. SMITH MCKEITHEN, Counsel

ALAN MARER, CounselROBERT P. MURPHY, CounselJAMES B. F. OLIPHANT, CounselRICHARD H. PORTER, CounselGEORGE RAYBORN, CounselJA^rEs REUM, CounselHILLARY D. RODHA1W, CounselSTEPHEN A. SHARP, CounselFARED STAMELL, CounselROSCOE B. STAREK III, CounselGARY W. SUTTON, CounselEDWARD S. SZUKELEWICZ, CounselROBERT J. TRAINER, CounselJ. STEPHEN WALKER, CounselBEN A. WALLIS, JR., CounselWILLIAM WELD, CounselWILLIAM A. WHITE, Counsel

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FOREWORD

By Hon. Peter W. Rodino, Jr.,Chairman,

Committee on the Judiciary

On February 6, 1974, the House of Representatives

adopted by a vote of 410-4 the following House Resolution 803:

RESOLVED, That the Committee on the Judiciary acting as a whole

or by any subcommittee thereof appointed by the Chairman for the

purposes hereof and in accordance with the Rules of the

Committee, is authorized and directed to investigate fully and

completely whether sufficient grounds exist for the House of

Representatives to exercise its constitutional power to impeach

Richard M. Nixon, President of the United States of America. The

committee shall report to the House of Representatives such

resolutions, articles of impeachment, or other recommendations

as it deems proper. Beginning in November 1973, acting under

resolutions referred to the Committee by the Speaker of the

House and with a special appropriation, I had begun to organize

a special staff to investigate serious charges against the

President of the United States. On May 9, 1974, as Chairman of

the Committee on the Judiciary, I convened the Committee for

hearings to review the results of the Impeachment Inquiry

staff's investigation. The staff began its initial

presentation the same day, in executive session, pursuant to

the Committee's Impeachment Inquiry Procedures adopted on May

2, 1974. By June 21, the Inquiry staff had concluded its

initial presen

tation.

On June 25, the Committee voted to make public the initial

presentation including substantially all of the supporting

material

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presented at the hearings. The Committee also voted to make public the President's

response, which was presented to the Committee on June 27 and June 28 in the same

form and manner as the Inquiry staff's initial presentation.

Statements of information and supporting evidentiary material were compiled

by the Inquiry staff in 36 notebooks and furnished in this form to each Member of the

Committee. The notebooks presented material on several subjects of the Inquiry: the

Watergate break-in and its aftermath, ITT, dairy price supports, domestic surveillance,

abuse of the IRS, and the activities of the Special Prosecutors.

The staff also presented to the Committee written reports on President

Nixon's income taxes, Presidential impoundment of funds appropriated by Congress,

and the bombing of Cambodia.

Fifteen notebooks were furnished to the Members of the Committee relating to the

Watergate break-in on June 17, 1972 and to events following the break-in, through April 30,

1973. In each notebook a statement of information relating to a particular phase of the

investigation was immediately followed by supporting evidentiary material, which included

copies of documents and testimony (much already on public record), transcripts of

Presidential conversations and affidavits.

The fifteen volumes relating to the Watergate phase of the Inquiry were

divided into four books, as follows:

Book I - Events Prior to the Watergate Break-In12/2/71 - 6/17/72

Book II - Events Following the Watergate Break-In6/17/72 - 2/9/73

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Book III - Events Following the Watergate Break-In6/20/72 - 3/22/73

Book IV - Events Following the Watergate Break-In3/22/73 - 4/30/73

Book I dealt with events prior to the Watergate break-in. Book II dealt with

allegations involving Presidential interference with the official Department of Justice

investigation. Book III dealt with allegations concerning payments of "hush" money to

Watergate defendants to insure their silence, offers of leniency and executive clemency, and

the instigating or making of false statements to persons connected with an official

investigation of Watergate; Book III also included a chronology of events between

February 9 and March 22, 1973. Book IV dealt with events relating to the President's

investigation of the Watergate break-in and alleged cover-up between March 22 and April

30, 1973.

Every effort was made to preclude inferences in the presentation of this material.

A deliberate and scrupulous abstention from conclusions, even by implication, was

observed.

With respect to the Presidential recorded conversations, the Committee

determined to hear the recorded conversations in their entirety. The Presidential recorded

conversations were neither paraphrased nor summarized by the Inquiry staff. Thus, no

inferences, or conclusions were drawn for the Committee. During the course of the

hearings, Members of the Committee heard each recording and simultaneously followed

transcripts prepared by the Inquiry staff. Each of

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these transcripts is reprinted under the appropriate Statement of Information.

During the course of the hearings, the Committee found it necessary to issue four

subpoenas to President Richard Nixon requiring tape recordings of 98 Presidential

conversations as well as all papers and things prepared by, sent to, received by, or at any time

contained in the files of H. R. Haldeman, John D. Ehrlichman, Charles W. Colson, John

Dean, III, and Gordon Strachan to the extent that such papers or things related or referred

directly or indirectly to the break-in and electronic surveillance of the Democratic National

Committee Headquarters in the Watergate office building during May and June of 1972 or

the investigations of that break-in by the Department of Justice, the Senate Select Committee

on Presidential Campaign Activities, or any other legislative, judicial, executive or

administrative body, including members of the White House staff.

The Committee also subpoenaed the President's daily diaries (logs of Presidential

meetings, telephone calls, and other activities) for the periods April through July 1972,

February through April 1973, July 12 through July 31, 1973 and October 1973.

In response to these subpoenas, the President furnished only edited White

House transcripts of 31 of the subpoenaed conversations between March 17 and April

18, 1973. These edited transcripts were summarized by the Inquiry staff and made a part

of the evidentiary material presented to the Committee. To the extent that the President

declined to comply with the Committee's subpoenas and produce the

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required material, the record of the Committee now made public in these volumes is

incomplete.

In a few instances, Ranking Minority Member Mr. Hutchinson and I

determined, pursuant to authority granted us by the Committee, to defer the release of

evidentiary material or to delete it for one of the following reasons:

1) Because the public interest in making the material public was outweighed by the

potential prejudice to the rights of defendants under indictment and awaiting trial.

2) Because the information was classified or otherwise required confidential

treatment,

3) Because the material was only marginally pertinent and was considered to

be defamatory, degrading or embarrassing, or,

4) Because the material was not pertinent to Presidential responsibility within the

outer limits of an impeachable offense within the meaning of the Constitution.

The Committee on the Judiciary is working to follow faithfully its mandate "to

investigate fully and completely" whether or not sufficient grounds exist to recommend that

the House exercise its constitutional power of impeachment.

I believe that the readers of these volumes will see that the Committee's primary

effort in carrying out its mandate has been to obtain an objective, impartial presentation

which will enable each Member of the Committee to make an informed judgment in

fulfilling his or her constitutional responsib ility.

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I also believe that the publication of the record of these hearings will provide

readers with a clear idea of the particulars of the investigation and that the proximity of the

evidence will assure them that no statement of information is offered without supporting

evidentiary material.

July 1974

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INTRODUCTORYNOTE

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The material contained in this volume is presented in two sections. Section 1

contains a statement of information footnoted with citations to evidentiary material.

Section 2 contains the same state

ment of information followed by the supporting material.

Supporting material consists of information obtained at hearings before the Senate

Select Committee on Presidential Campaign Activities; information developed in executive

session by other Congressional committees; information furnished to the Committee by the

Grand Jury of the District of Coltunbia and by other grand juries: information furnished to

the Committee by government agencies; transcripts of tape

recordings of conversations among President Nixon and his key associates prepared by the

Committee staff; information furnished to the Committee by the President, the Executive

Departments of the Government, the Special Prosecutor, and other information obtained by

the Cortmlittee, much of which was already on the public record.

Each page of supporting evidence is labeled with the footnote number and a

description of the document or the name of the witness testifying. Copies of entire pages of

documents and testimony are included, with brackets around the portions pertaining to the

statement of information. Markings on the documents include item numbers and receipt

stamps of the House Judiciary Committee and other agencies from which the Committee

received material.

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In a few instances, names of persons in sensitive positions have been deleted

from documents at the request of the CIA, FBI and other investigative agencies. Some

documents contained deletions when the Committee received them.

In the citation of sources, the following abbreviations are used: "SSC" for

Senate Select Committee on Presidential Campaign Activities; "SJC" for Senate

Judiciary Committee; and "WC" for House Judiciary Committee.

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STATEMENT OFINFORMATION

EVENTS FOLLOWING

THE WATERGATE BREAK-IN

June 17, 1972 - February 9,1973

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1. On June 17, 1972 shortly after 2:00 a.m. five persons, including

James McCord, a security consultant for the Committee for the

Reselection of the President (CRP), were arrested in the Watergate

headquarters of the Democratic National Committee (DNC). Immediately

after the arrests, Howard Hunt and Gordon Liddy left the Watergate

Hotel. Hunt took with him a briefcase belonging to McCord that

contained electronic equipment, went to his office in the Executive

Office Building (EOB), and withdrew from a safe located in his EOB

office $10,000 previously provided to him by Liddy for use in case

there was a mishap. Hunt placed McCord's briefcase in the safe. In

the early morning hours, he delivered the money to an attorney on

behalf of the five persons arrested at the DNC headquarters.

1.1 Paul Leeper testimony, 1 SSC 96, 105-06.....................

1.2 James McCord testimony, 1 SSC126...........................

1.3 E. Howard Hunt testimony, 9 SSC 3688-89.....................

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Page.. 72

.. 75

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2. At the time of the arrests at the Watergate headquarters of the

DNC, electronic surveillance and photographic equipment and

approximately $1,500 in cash were found in the possession of the

persons arrested. A subsequent search of rooms in the Watergate

Hotel that had been rented under alias names used by certain of

the persons arrested produced a directory containing a White House

telephone number for Howard Hunt, a check drawn by E. Howard Hunt,

and 32 sequentially numbered $100 bills. (These bills had been

received from a Florida bank into which Barker had deposited five

checks contributed to the President's re-election campaign. Four

of these checks totalling $89,000 had been drawn on a Mexican bank

payable to Manuel Ogarrio, a Mexican lawyer. The fifth check

totalling $25,000 had been drawn by Kenneth Dahlberg. These checks

had been delivered to Gordon Liddy by FCRP Treasurer Hugh Sloan to

be converted into cash.)

Page 2.1 Paul Leeper testimony, 1 SSC 96, 105-08......... 81

2.2 Memorandum from Vernon Walters to L. PatrickGray, July 7, 1972, SSC Exhibit No. 143, 9 SSC

2.3 Hotel registration records, June 16, 1972,for

R. Godoy (Virgilio Gonzalez), J. DiAlberto(Frank

Sturgis), J. Valdez (Eugenio Martinez), andF.

Carter (Bernard Barker), Exhibits 88-91,United

States v.Giddy...........................................87

2.4 United States v. Liddy indictment, September 15,1972,

C~ount One, paragraphs 1-15.................... 89

2.5 Metropolitan Police Department, Washington, D.C.,

Supplementary Evidence Report, June 20,1972,

92

2.6 L. Patrick Gray testimony, 9 SSC 3451 95

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2.7 John Dean testimony, 3 SSC 942-43

2.8 Hugh Sloan testimony, 2 SSC 575-76

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3. At approximately 8:00 a.m. on the morning of the arrests,

Henry Petersen, the Assistant Attorney General in charge of the

Criminal Division of the Justice Department, telephoned Attorney

General Richard Kleindienst at home to tell him of the arrests at

.the DNC headquarters.

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.3.1 Henry Petersen testimony, 9 SSC 3611-12................................................10Z

.3.2 Richard Kleindienst testimony, 9 SSC 356G............................................104

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4. On the morning of June 17, 1972 Gordon Liddy telephonedJeb

Magruder, Chief of Staff to John Mitchell at CRP, at the

Beverly Hills Hotel in California. Magruder returned Liddy's

call from a pay tele

phone. Liddy advised Magruder of the arrests at the DNC

headquarters. Shortly thereafter, Magruder met with John

Mitchell, the Campaign

Director of CRP, and Fred LaRue, Mitchell's Special Assistant

at CRP, at the hotel. There was discussion regarding

somebody's contacting

Attorney General Richard Kleindienst concerning thearrests at

the DNC headquarters. Later that day, Liddy and Powell Moore, an

official at CRP, met wlth Attorney General Kleindienst at the

Burning Tree Club near Washington, D. C. Liddy told Kleindienst

that Mitchell had asked him to give Kleindienst a report on the

break-in at the DNC head

quarters and that some of the persons arrested might beemployed by

either the White House or CRP. Kleindienst called HenryPetersen

and instructed him not to give special treatment to those

arrested at the Watergate. Kleindienst told Liddy to leave the

premises.

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4.1 Jeb Magruder testimony, 2 SSC 798. *.......... 106

4.2 Fred LaRue testimony, 6 SSC 2284-85............107

4.3 Fred LaRue testimony, 6 SSC 2330.............. 109

4.4 Richard Kleindienst testimony, 9 SSC 3560-62.. 110

4.5 John Mitchell testimony, 4 SSC 1662............113

4.6 Robert Mardian testimony, 6 SSC 2352-53....... 114

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5. In the late afternoon of June 17, 1972 Secret Service Agent Boggs telephoned John

Ehrlichman, Assistant to the President, and told him that one of the persons arrested at the

DNC headquarters had in his possession a document referring to Howard Hunt, who

apparently was a White House employee. Later that day, Ehrlichman telephoned Ronald

Ziegler, the President's press secretary, who was with the Presidential party in Florida.

Ehrlichman told Ziegler the substance of his telephone conversation with Agent Boggs.

Ehrlichman also telephoned Charles Colson, Special Counsel to the President, and

discussed Hunt's White House employment status.

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5.1 John Ehrlichman testimony, 6 SSC 2580.........................................................118

5.2 Charles Colson deposition, O'Brien LDNC] v...............................................................................................................................................McCord, August 30, 1972, 31-32..........................................................................119

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6. During the evening of June 17, 1972 Assistant Attorney General Petersen

telephoned Attorney General Kleindienst and told him that documentation relating

to a White House consultant had been found at the scene of the break-in at the

DNC headquarters.

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.6.1 Henry Petersen testimony, 9 SSC 3612-13..............................................122

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7. On June 18, 1972 H. R. Haldeman, Chief of Staff to President Nixon, who was at Key

Biscayne, Florida with the Presidential party, spoke by telephone with Jeb Magruder, who

was in California. Haldeman directed Magruder to return to Washington, D. C. to meet with

Counsel to the President John Dean, Haldeman's Special Assistant Gordon Strachan, and

FCRP Treasurer Hugh Sloan to learn what had happened and determine the source of the

money found in the possession of the persons arrested at the DNC headquarters. By the

following day, Magruder had returned

to Washington.

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7.1 Jeb Magruder testimony, 2......................SSC 799......................................................126

7.2 H. R. Haldeman testimony,.....................8 SSC 3039................................................127

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8. On June 18, 1972 John Ehrlichman spoke by telephone with H. R. Haldeman. They

discussed the break-in at the DNC headquarters, the involvement of James McCord, and

the fact of Hunt's name being

.involved.

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.8.1 John Ehrlichman testimony, 6 SSC 2581..................................................................................130

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9. At noon on June 18, 1972 Gordon Strachan telephoned

Haldeman's principal staff assistant, Lawrence Higby. Higby told

Strachan that Haldeman had spoken with Jeb Magruder about the

break-in and that John Ehrlichman was handling the entire matter.

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.9.1 Gordon Strachan testimony, 6 SSC 2457..................................................132

.9.2 H. R. Haldeman testimony, 8 SSC 3019................................................... 133

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10. At 7:32 a.m. on June 19, 1972 Attorney General Kleindienst telephoned the Acting

Director of the EBI L. Patrick Gray in Palm Springs, California, and stated that

Kleindienst wished to be briefed on the investigation of the break-in at the DNC

headquarters. Kleindienst told Gray that the President wanted to talk to Kleindienst about

it that day or possibly the next day.

...........................................................................................................................................................Page10.1.......L. Patrick Gray notes of telephone conversation,................June 19, 1972 (received from L. Patrick Gray)...........................................136

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11. In the morning or early afternoon of June 19, 1972 Ehrlichman

told John Dean to look into the question of White House

involvement in the break-in at the DNC and to determine Howard

Hunt's White House employment status. Dean has testified that he

then spoke to Charles Colson regarding Colson's knowledge of the

break-in and Hunt's status and that Colson denied knowledge of the

event, but expressed concern over the contents of Hunt's safe.

Dean has also testified that he spoke to Gordon Liddy, who advised

of his and Magruder's involvement in the planning and execution of

the break-in. Thereafter Ehrlichman received a report from Dean

that Dean had spoken to Liddy and to law enforcement officials,

that law enforcement officials were aware that the matter went

beyond the five persons who were apprehended, that Liddy was

involved, and that there was a further direct involvement of the

CRP.

1 1 . 1 J o h n D e a n t e s t i m o n y , 3 S S C 9 3 2 -34.................

11.2 John Dean testimony, Watergate Grand Jury,November 19, 1973, 48-50 (received from WatergateGrand Jury).............................

11.3 John Ehrlichman testimony, 7 SSC 2821-22.........

11.4 John Ehrlichman testimony, 6 SSC 2582-83.........

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147

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. 152

12. On June 19, 1972 the President telephoned Charles Colson from Florida and spoke

with him for approximately one hour ending shortly before noon. The break-in at the DNC

headquarters was discussed.

12.1 Meetings and conversations between the President and CharlesColson, June 19, 1972 (received from

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12.2 Charles Colson draft statement prepared for delivery to theSSC, September 1973, 1, 6-8,

.(received from SSC)..............................................................................................157

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13. On June 19, 1972 Howard Hunt went to the Executive Office Building and reviewed

the contents of his safe. He determined that the contents included cables Hunt had

fabricated indicating a relationship between the Kennedy Administration and the

assassination of Vietnamese President Diem, materials relating to Gemstone, James

McCord's electronic equipment, and other material. Hunt thereupon informed Charles

Colson's secretary, Joan Hall, that Hunt's safe

.contained sensitive materials.

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.13.1 E. Howard Hunt testimony, 9 SSC 3672, 3689.........................................162

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14. During the afternoon of June 19, 1972 John Ehrlichman,

Charles Colson, John Dean, Bruce A. Kehrli, Staff Assistant to

H. R. Haldeman, and Ken Clawson, White House Deputy Director of

Communications, met in Ehrlichman's office and discussed Howard

Hunt's White House employment status. Colson stated that Hunt

should have been terminated as a White House consultant as of

March 31, 1972. Kehrli was asked to and did bring Hunt's

employment records to Ehrlichman's office. These records did not

indicate that Hunt's consultant status had been terminated. By

memorandum dated June 19, 1972 Colson transmitted to Dean

documents relating to Hunt's status.

(By memorandum dated March 27, 1972 to Charles Colson,

Hunt had requested assistance in changing the annuity benefit

option he had selected upon retirement from the CIA. By

memorandum dated March 30, 1972 to Kehrli, Richard Howard, Staff

Assistant to Charles Colson, had inquired respecting Hunt's

situation. At the top of the original of the Howard memorandum,

there is a handwritten note: "Noble - Please let me know on this

w/o giving out any info. on the name of the fellow we're trying

to help. B." At the bottom of that memorandum there is a

handwritten note "OK - Drop as of April 1, 1972 BAK." On May 5,

1972 Hunt had written a letter on White House stationery to CIA

General Counsel Lawrence Houston, renewing his request respecting

his benefit Option and stating that he had discussed the matter

with the White House legal staff.)

14.1 John Ehrlichman log, June 19, 1972(received

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14.2 John Dean testimony, 3 SSC 934-35 168

14.3 Memorandum from Charles Colson to John Dean, June19, 1972, with attachments: memorandum from RichardHoward to Bruce Kehrli, March 30, 1972; memorandumfrom Joark Hall to Charles Colson, June 19, 1972.SSC Exhibit No. 34-15, 3 SSC 1157-59.................................

...170

14.4 John Ehrtichman testimony, 6 ,SC 2612 1i3

14.5 Charles Colson draft statement prepared for delivery tothe

SSC, September 1973, 1, 2-4 (received from sSC).------------174

14.6 Memorandum from E. Howard Hunt to Charles ColsonMarch 27, 1972,(received from SSC) 178

14.7 List of Presidential assistants and their staffs(received from White Housi 180

14.8 Copy of memorandum from Richard Howard to Bruce Kehrli,March 30, 1972, with Cox-Buzhardt correspondenceregarding the memorandum (received from WatergateSpecial Prosecution Force) 181

14.9 Original of memorandum from Richard Howard to BruceKehrli, March 30, 1972, with handwritten notations(received from White House) 184

14.10 Letter from E. Howard Hunt to Lawrence Houston, May 5,

1972 (received from CIA), 185

14.11 Jeb Magruder testimony, 2 SSC 791-93 185

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15. At the meeting specified in the preceding paragraph, John

Ehrlichman instructed that Howard Hunt's EOB safe should be

opened in the presence of John Dean, Bruce Kehrli and a Secret

Service Agent, and that Dean should take possession of the

contents. Charles Colson said that this should be done

immediately. On the evening of June 19, 1972 at Kehrli's

request, Hunt's safe was forcibly opened in the presence of a

Secret Service Agent and a GSA representative. Kehrli and Fred

Fielding, Dean's assistant, arrived shortly thereafter.

Page 15.1 John Ehrlichman testimony, 6 SSC 2612-13 190

15.2 John Dean testimony, 3 SSC 934 192

15.3 Bruce Kehrli deposition, Democratic NationalCommittee v. McCord, May 15, 1973, 6-9 193

15.4 Fred Fielding deposition, Democratic NationalCommittee v. McCord, May 15, 1973, 7-9............197

15.5 Charles Colson draft statement preparedfor

delivery to the SSC, September 1973,1, 4( r f:^ ^ Pi By f t nm Q S (a 4

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16. Immediately before the meeting specified in paragraph 14,

John Dean asked Gordon Liddy to advise Howard Hunt that he

should leave the country. Liddy contacted Hunt and told him that

"they" wanted Hunt to get out of town. Dean states that he took

this action on instructions from Ehrlichman, and that Dean

retracted his instruction shortly after

he gave it. Ehrlichman has denied that he gave suchinstructions.

Page16.1 John Dean testimony, 3 SSC 934 204

16.2 E. Howard Hunt testimony, SSC ExecutiveSession,

July 26, 1973, 210-12......

16.3 E. Howard Hunt testimony, 9 SSC 3690 208

16.4 John Ehrlichman testimony, 7 SSC 2718-19 209

16.5 Transcript of tape recorded conversation between

Ken Clawson and John Ehrlichman, March or April

1973, SSC Exhibit No. 108, 7 SSC 3009 211

16.6 Transcript of tape recorded conversation between

Charles Colson and John Ehrlichman, April 17,

1973, SSC Exhibit No. 109, 7 SSC 3010-11 212

16.7 United States v. Mitchell indictment, March1,

16.8 Robert Bennett deposition, Democratic NationalCommittee v. McCord, April 19, 1973, 25, 29-32 217

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17. On the evening of June 19, 1972 John Mitchell met at his

apartment in Washington, D. C. with John Dean, Jeb Magruder,

Robert Mardian and Fred LaRue and discussed the break-in at

the DNC head

quarters.

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17.1 JohnMitchell testimony, 4 SSC 1622......

17.2 JebMagruder testimony, 2 SSC 799-800..

17.3Robert Mardian testimony, 6 SSC 2355....

17.4 FredLaRue testimony, 6 SSC 2303-04....

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18. On June 19, 1972 Ronald Ziegler, the President's press secretary, described

the break-in at the DNC headquarters as "a

.third-rate burglary attempt."

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.18.1 Washington Post , June 20, 1972, Al, A> 232

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19. On June 20, 1972 at 9:00 a.m. H. R. Haldeman, John Ehrlichman

and John Mitchell met to discuss the break-in at the DNC

headquarters. John Dean joined the meeting at 9:45 a.m. Attorney

General Kleindienst joined the meeting at 9:55 a.m. Later that day,

Haldeman met with the President for one hour and nineteen minutes

(11:26 a.m. to 12:45 p.m.) and the subjects discussed included

Watergate. Haldeman's notes of the meeting reflect that that

portion of their discussion dealt with checking an EOB office for

bugs, a "counter-attack," "PR offensive to top this," and the need

to "be on the attack -- for diversion." When a tape recording of

the conversation was produced on November 26, 1973 in response to a

subpoena by the Watergate Special Prosecutor, the recording

contained an eighteen and one-half minute buzzing sound that

obliterated the portion of the conversation reflected in the

foregoing segment of Haldeman's notes.

19.1 H. R. Haldeman calendar, June 20. 1972(received


19.3 John Mitchell log, June 20, 1972 (receivedfrom

SSC) . .---- 239

19.4 H. R. Haldeman testimony, 8 SSC 3039-40.: 240

19.5 John Ehrlichman testimony, 7 SSC 2822 242

19.6 President Nixon's daily diary, June 20,1972,

Exhibit 13, In re Grand Jury, Misc. 47-73, 1-2 243

19.7 Meetings and conversations between thePresident

and H. R. Haldeman, June 20, 1972 (receivedfromWhite House)......................

(23)

19.8

19.9

..........................................................................................PageH. R. Haldeman handwritten notes of meeting,June 20, 1972, Exhibit 61, In re Grand Jury,Misc. 47-73 246

J. Fred Buzhardt testimony, In re Grand Jury,Misc. 47-73, January 18, 1974, 2499-2500 249

19.10 Report to Chief Judge John Sirica from AdvisoryPanel on the White House tapes, January 15, 1974 251

19.11 Analysis, Index and Particularized Claims ofExecutive Privilege for Subpoenaed Materials,J. Fred Buzhardt, In re Grand Jury, Misc. 47-73,November 26, 1973, 1, 9 257

19.12 Rose Mary Woods testimony, In re Grand JuriesMisc. 47-73, November 26, 1973, 1267-68 259

(24)

20. On June 20, 1972 Gordon Strachan met with H. R. Haldeman and showed him a copy of a

Political Matters Memorandum Strachan had sent to Haldeman prior to April 4, 1972

concerning approval of a "sophisticated intelligence system with a budget of $300,000."

Haldeman acknowledged to Strachan that he had read the political intelligence item in the

memorandum. Strachan also showed Haldeman political intelligence reports referring to

"Sedan Chair II" which had been attached to the memorandum. Haldeman said he had not

previously read the attachment, and proceeded to read it. According to Strachan, Haldeman

directed him to destroy all of the documents. Haldeman has testified that he could not recall

giving Strachan any such instruction.

20.1 Gordon Strachan testimony, 6 SSC 2452-53,

Page

202

20.2 H. R. Haldeman testimony, 8 SSC 3096-97 256

(25)

21. Following his meeting with H.R. Haldeman, Gordon Strachan

shredded the Political Matters Memorandum regarding a

sophisticated intelligence gathering system that he had shown

Haldeman. Strachan also shredded other related documents,

including a memorandum regarding Gordon Liddy, an April 4, 1972

talking paper prepared by Strachan for a meeting between

Haldeman and John Mitchell, a memorandum from Jeb Magruder to

Mitchell regarding Donald Segretti, and Segretti's telephone

number. After Strachan destroyed these documents, he told John

Dean what documents he had destroyed. On July 1, 1972 Strachan,

Haldeman and Lawrence Higby were part of a Presidential party

aboard Air Force One. Strachan has testified that during the

flight he reported to Haldeman that the job had been

accomplished, and Haldeman told him to reduce the number of

copies made of future Political Matters Memoranda from three to

two. Haldeman has testified that he does not recall receiving

such a report.

21.1 Gordon Strachan testimony, 6 SSC 2441, 2458-60 2,6^


21.3 H.R. Haldeman testimony, 8 SSC 3097 276

(26)

22. On June 20 or 21, 1972 Robert Mardian and Fred LaRue met in

LaRue's apartment with Gordon Liddy. Liddy told LaRue and

Mardian that he and Howard Hunt had developed the plans for

entries into the DNC and the McGovern presidential campaign

offices; that he, Hunt and others involved in the Watergate

break-in had been previously involved in operations of the

White House, specifically an entry into the offices of Daniel

Ellsberg's psychiatrist; that Hunt had acted to make ITT

lobbyist Dita Beard unavailable as a witness at the Senate

Judiciary Committee hearings on the nomination of Richard

Kleindienst to be Attorney General; and that he had shredded

all new, serialized $100 bills in his possession and other

evidence relating to the Watergate break-in. Later that day

Mardian and LaRue met with John Mitchell and apprised him of

their meeting with Liddy. Mitchell was told of Liddy's and

Hunt's prior surreptitious entry into the office of Daniel

Ellsberg's psychiatrist and of Hunt's earlier activities

involving Dita Beard.

Page22.1

Fred LaRue testimony, 6 SSC 2286-88, 2309, 2317-18..278

22.2Robert Mardian testimony, 6 SSC 2357-63 284

22.3 John Mitchell testimony, 4 SSC 1621-22, 1628,

1643-44, 1660 2ql

(27)

23. Shortly after Hunt's involvement in the Watergate matter became known, a

White House telephone list bearing Howard Hunt's name and phone extension was

recalled and the list was re-issued,

.deleting Hunt.

...................................................................................................................................................Page

.23.1 Statement of CIA employee, January 17, 1974

.(received from CIA) 298

24. On June 20, 1972 John Mitchell, the Campaign Director of CRP, issued a prepared

press statement. The statement denied any legal, moral or ethical accountability on the

part of CRP for the break-in

.at the DNC headquarters.

.........................................................................................................................................................Page

.24.1 Washington Post, June 21, 1972, Al, A9 302

(29)

25. On June 20, 1972 at 6:08 p.m. the President spoke by

telephone with John Mitchell. The President and Mitchell

discussed the break-in at the DNC headquarters. According to a

dictabelt recording made by the President on June 20, 1972

recollecting the events of that day, Mitchell expressed-to the

President his regret that he had not kept better control over

the people at CRP.

25.1 President Nixon daily diary, June 20, 1972,


25.2 President Nixon remarks before Associated Press

Managing Editors Association, November 17, 1973,

9 Presidential Documents 1345-46 308

25.3 Dictabelt recording of President Nixon's recol-

lections of events of June 20, 1972, and House

Judiciary Committee transcript thereof 310

(30)

26. On June 21, 1972 shortly after 9:35 a.m. John Ehrlichman told Acting FBI Director Gray

that John Dean would be handling an inquiry into Watergate for the White House and that

Gray should call Dean and work closely with him. Gray told Ehrlichman that the FBI was

handling the case as a "major special with all of our normal procedures in effect." At 10:00

a.m. Gray telephoned Dean and arranged to meet Dean at 11:30 a.m. in Gray's office. At

the meeting they discussed the sensitivity of the investigation, and Dean told Gray that

Dean would sit in on FBI interviews of White House staff members in his official capacity

as counsel to the President.

Page 26.1 L. Patrick Gray log, June 21, 1972,, t 2

(received from SSC) ~t~t~ee~@¢@*§§§v*~ee~@jas~****v~o3L2

26.2 L. Patrick Gray testimony, 9 SSC 345° 314

26.3 John Dean testimony, 3 SSC 942 , 315

(31)

27. On or about June 22, 1972 John Ehrlichman met with John

Dean and discussed the contents of Howard Hunt's safe and what

to do with certain politically sensitive documents.

Page

27.1 John Dean testimony, 3 SSC 937-38........ .....313

27.2 John Ehrlichman testimony, 6 SSC 2612-14*.b....*.320

27.3 John Ehrlichman testimony, 7 SSC 2824-26.--------323

27.4 Portion of John Dean notes for Camp Davidreport,

SSC Exhibit No. 34-43, 3 SSC 1290 326

(32)

28. On June 22, 1972 FBI agents interviewed Charles Colson inthe

EOB. John Dean was present. When the agents inquired aboutHoward

Hunt's office in the EOB, Dean told them either that he wouldhave to

check out whether Hunt had an EOB office or that the request tosee

Hunt's office would have to be checkedout.

28.1 Charles Colson draft statement prepared fordelivery to the SSC, September 1973, 1, 10(received fromSAC)...............................

28.2 John Dean testimony, 3 SSC 939-40.................

28.3 Notes of Charles Colson interview, June 22,1972, SSC Exhibit No. 34-16, 3 SSC1160..................

28.4 L. Patrick Gray testimony, SJC, GrayNomination Hearings, March 7, 1973,328......

Page

...33

0

...33

2

...334

28.5 L. Patrick Gray testimony, SJC, GrayNomination

Hearings, March 22, 1973, 671....

(33)

29. On or about June 22, 1972 Acting FBI Director L. Patrick Gray

met with John Dean. Gray told Dean the FBI had discovered that a

$25,000 check drawn by Kenneth Dahlberg and four checks totalling

$89,000 drawn on a bank in Mexico City payable to Manuel Ogarrio

had been deposited in a Miami, Florida bank account of Bernard

Barker, one of the persons arrested on June 17, 1972 at the DNC

headquarters in the Watergate. Gray and Dean discussed the FBI's

alternative theories of the Watergate case, including the theory

that the break-in was a covert operation of the CIA. Either that

same day or the following morning Dean reported to Haldeman on his

meeting with Gray, and Haldeman in turn transmitted the essence of

the report to the President.

Page

29.1 L. Patrick Gray log, June 22, 1972 (received

from

SSC)................................................338



29.4 Memorandum from C. W. Bates to CharlesBolz,

June 22, 1972, 1-2 (received from SSC) 342

29.5 Telegram from FBI Washington Field Office to L. PatrickGray, June 22, 1972, 1-2 (received from SSC)..346

29.6 H. R. Ha'deman testimony, Subcommittee of theSenate

Appropriations Committee, Hearings on PurportedAttempt to Involve the Central Intelligence Agencyin the Watergate and Ellsberg Incidents, ExecutiveSession, May 31, 1973, 360-61 348

29.7 H. R. Haldeman testimony, 8 SSC 3040 350

(34)

30. On June 22, 1972 the President held a press conference. He

was asked whether he had made an investigation to determine whether

there was a direct link between the people who bugged the DNC headquarters

and the White House. The President said:

Mr. Ziegler and also Mr. Mitchell, speaking for the campaigncommittee, have responded to questions on this in great detail. Theyhave stated my position and have also stated the facts accurately.

This kind of activity, as Mr. Ziegler has indicated, has noplace whatever in our electoral process, or in our governmentalprocess. And, as Mr. Ziegler has stated, the White House has had noinvolvement whatever in this particular incident.

As far as the matter now is concerned, it is underinvestigation, as it should be by the proper legal authorities, by theDistrict of Columbia Police, and by the FBI. I will not comment onthose matters, particularly since possible criminal charges areinvolved.

Page

8 Presidential Documents 1078-79. ................... 352

30.1 President Nixon news conference, June 22, 1972,

(35)

31. On June 23, 1972 H. R. Haldeman met with the President and informed

the President of the communication John Dean had received from Acting

FBI Director Gray. The President directed Haldeman to meet with CIA

Director Richard Helms, Deputy CIA Director Vernon Walters and John

Ehrlichman. Haldeman has testified that the President told him to

ascertain whether there had been any CIA involvement in the Watergate

affair and whether the relationship between some of the Watergate

participants and the Bay of Pigs incident was a matter of concern to

CIA. The President directed Haldeman to discuss White House concern

regarding possible disclosure of covert CIA operations and operations

of the White House Special Investigations Unit (the "Plumbers"), not

related to Watergate, that had been undertaken previously by some of

the Watergate principals. The President directed Haldeman to ask

Walters to meet with Gray to express these concerns and to coordinate

with the FBI, so that the FBI's investigation would not be expanded

into unrelated matters that could lead to disclosure of the earlier

activities of the Watergate principals.

31.1 H. R. Haldeman testimony, Subcommittee of theSenate Appropriations Committee, Hearings onPurported Attempt to Involve the CentralIntelligence Agency in the Watergate andEllsberg Incidents, Executive

Page

Session, May 31, 1973, 353-54 356

31.2 President Nixon statement, May 22, 1973,

9 Presidential Documents 693, 696 358

31.3 H. R. Haldeman testimony, 8 SSC 3040-41 360


(36)

32. In the early afternoon of June 23, 1972 John Mitchell, Campaign

Director of CRP, met with Maurice Stans, Chairman of FCRP, in

Mitchell's office. They discussed the Dahlberg and the Mexican

checks. Stans knew at that time that these checks were campaign

contributions that Hugh Sloan, Treasurer of FCRP, had given to

Gordon Liddy to be converted to cash.

32.1 John Mitchell testimony, 4 SSC1659........

32.2 Maurice Stans testimony, 2 SSC 725........

32.3 Maurice Stans testimony, 2 SSC 699-701.......

32.4 Maurice Stans testimony, 2 SSC748.........

32.5 Hugh Sloan testimony, 2 SSC 575-76.........

Page ................

364

................

365

............. 366

................

369

. 37Q

32.6Maurice Stans calendar, June 23, 1972 (received from

SSC)372

32.7 John Mitchell log, June 23, 1972 (received from SSC) 373

32.8 Maurice Stans telephone records, June 23,

1972 (received from SSC)....

(37)

33. At approximately 1:30 p.m. on June 23, 1972 pursuant to the President's prior

directions, H. R. Haldeman, John Ehrlichman, CIA Director Helms and Deputy CIA

Director Walters met in Ehrlichman's office. Helms assured Haldeman and Ehrlichman

that there was no CIA involvement in the Watergate and that he had no concern from the

CIA's viewpoint regarding any possible connections of the Watergate personnel with the

Bay of Pigs operation. Helms told Haldeman and Ehrlichman that he had given this

assurance directly to Acting FBI Director Gray. Haldeman stated that the Watergate affair

was creating a lot of noise, that the investigation could lead to important people, and that

this could get worse. Haldeman expressed concern that an FBI investigation in Mexico

might uncover CIA activities or assets. Haldeman stated that it was the President's wish

that Walters call on Gray and suggest to him that it was not advantageous to push the

inquiry, especially into Mexico. According to Ehrlichman, the Mexican money or the

Florida bank account was discussed as a specific example of the kind of thing the

President was evidently concerned about. Following this meeting, Ehrlichman advised

Walters that John Dean was following the Watergate matter on behalf of the White

House.

33.1 John Ehrlichman log, June 23, 1972 @ (receivedfrom SSC). -.......................................

33-2 XVernon Walters testimony 9 SSC 34Q4~()5

33-3 Vernon Walters memoran(ltml for record, June 28,1972, SSC Exhibit No. 101, 7 SSC 2948-49 380

(38)

Page

..377

...378

.....................................................................................................................Page33.4 Richard Helms testimony, 8 SSC 3237-39 382

33.5 H. R. Haldeman testimony, Subcommittee ofthe Senate Appropriations Committee,Hearings on Purported Attempt to Involvethe Central Intelligence Agency in theWatergate and Ellsberg Incidents, ExecutiveSession, May 31, 1973, 353-56, 400-02.............................

...........385


33.7 John Ehrlichman testimony, Subcommittee ofthe Senate Appropriations Committee,Hearings on Purported Attempt to Involvethe Central Intelligence Agency in theWatergate and Ellsberg Incidents. ExecutiveSession, May 30, 1973,

33.8 Vernon Walters testimony, 9 SSC 3408 395

(39)

34. On June 23, 1972 at 1:35 p.m., Dean telephoned Gray and said that Walters would be

visiting Gray that afternoon. At 2:34 p.m. on the same day Walters met with Gray and

discussed the EBI investigation of the break-in at the DNC headquarters. Walters stated that

if the FBI investigation were pursued into Mexico it might uncover some covert CIA

activities and that the matter should be tapered off with the five men under arrest. Gray

agreed to hold in abeyance the FBI interview of Manuel Ogarrio. Gray has testified that the

FBI continued its effort to locate Kenneth Dahlberg. Gray reported to Dean the substance of

his conversations with Walters.

Page 34.1 L. Patrick Gray log, June 23, 1972 X 1~2,

(received from SSC) ....................................................................................................398

34.2 L. Patrick Gray testimony, 9 SSC 3452-53 400

34-3 Vernon Wag ters testimonv, 9 SSC 3406-n7..............4()2

34-4 Vernon Walters memorandum for record. June 28,1972, ssc Exhibit niQo. 129, 9 ssc 3815 404

(40)

35. On June 23, 1972 at 3:00 p.m. Maurice Stans met at the CRP offices with Kenneth

Dahlberg who, at the request of Stans and Fred LaRue, had flown to Washington that day

for the meeting. LaRue and Stans discussed the check drawn by Dahlberg, the money

from which had reached the bank account of Bernard Barker. At 5:00 p.m. on the same

day Dahlberg met with Stans, LaRue and Robert Mardian.

35.1 Maurice Stans calendar, June 23, 1972 (received

from SAC)......................

35.2 Maurice Stans testimony, 2 SSC

35.3 Maurice Stans telephone records, June 23, 197 2

.(received from SSC). .............................................................................................408

(41)

36. On or before June 26, 1972 Walters determined that there

were no CIA sources or activities in Mexico that might be

jeopardized by FBI investigations of the Ogarrio check in

Mexico. On June 26, 1972 Walters met with John Dean and advised

him that there was nothing in any of the FBI investigations

that could jeopardize or compromise in any way CIA activities

or sources in Mexico.

36.1 Vernon Walters testimony, 9 SSC 3407-09 410

36.2 Vernon Walters memorandum for record, June 28,


(42)

37. On or about June 27, 1972 John Dean and Fred Fielding, his

assistant, delivered to FBI agents a portion of the materials from

Howard Hunt's safe. The materials given to the FBI agents included top

secret diplomatic dispatches relating to Vietnam. The portion withheld

from the FBI agents included fabricated diplomatic cables purporting

to show the involvement of the Kennedy administration in the fall of

the Diem regime in Vietnam, memoranda concerning the Plumbers unit, a

file relating to an investigation Hunt had conducted for Charles

Colson at Chappaquidick, and two notebooks and a pop-up address book.

37.1 John Dean testimony, 3 SSC 937-38, 948 416

37.2 Fred Fielding deposition, May 15, 1973, DemocraticNational Committee v. McCord, 15, 34-35 419

37.3 FBI inventory of contents of Hunt's safe, publishedas insertions in SJC, Gray Nomination Hearings,March 7, 1973, 329-30 422

37.4

Richard Ben-Veniste statement, United States v.Liddy, November 5, 1973, 3-5 424

(43)

38. On June 26 or 27, 1972 Dean met with Walters and asked if

there was any way the CIA could provide the bail money or pay the

salaries of the persons arrested in connection with the break-in

at the DNC headquarters. Walters said the CIA would do so only on

a direct order from the President. According to Dean, his proposal

to the CIA had previously been approved by John Ehrlichman. Dean

also has testified that he reported to Ehrlichman regarding

Walters' negative position on the proposal, and that he was asked

by Ehrlichman to push Walters a little harder. Ehrlichman has

denied receiving these reports from Dean. On June 28, l972 at

10:45 a.m. Dean met with Ehrlichman. At 11:30 a.m. Dean telephoned

Walters and asked Walters to see him in his EOB office. At this

meeting Walters and Dean discussed the Dahlberg check and the

Mexican checks, and Dean again asked whether the CIA could do

anything to stop the FBI investigation of these checks. Walters

said there was nothing his Agency could do.

38.1 John Ehrlichman log, June 26-28, 1972(received from SSC).......

Page

...429










39. On the morning of June 27, 1972 Gray met with Mark Felt and

Charles Bates of the FBI to receive a briefing on the latest

Watergate break-in developments. During that briefing Dean

telephoned Gray. Gray has testified that in the ensuing

conversation he told Dean that if Dahlberg continued to evade

the FBI, Dahlberg would be called before a grand jury. Gray also

has testified that he asserted to Dean the importance of an

aggressive FBI investigation to determine the motive and

identity of all persons involved.

On June 27, 1972 CIA Director Helms received a memorandum

from the Chief of the Western Hemisphere Division of the CIA

stating that there were no CIA traces on Manuel Ogarrio and that

the CIA's last contact with a person named Kenneth Dahlberg

occurred in 1961 and concerned the manufacturing of a hearing aid

for a high level Peruvian. Later that day, Helms told Gray that

the CIA had no interest in Ogarrio. Helms confirmed with Gray

their plan to meet the following day.

Page

Director Helms, June 27, 1972 (received from CIA) 444

39.1 Memorandum from CIA Western Hemisphere Chiefto

39.2 L. Patrick Gray log, June 27, 1972, 1-2 (received

from SSC) 445

39.3 Lo Patrick Gray testimony, 9 SSC 3454 447

(45)

40. On June 28, 1972 at 10:25 a.m. Dean telephoned L. Patrick

Gray about rumors of leaks from the FBI, the material from

Hunt's safe, a slowdown in the investigation, and the tracing

of the Mexican money. According to Gray, he may have told Dean

during this conversation of the meeting he had scheduled with

Helms for 2:30 p.m. that day. At 10:45 a.m. Dean met with John

Ehrlichman. At 10:55 a.m. Ehrlichman telephoned Gray. Gray has

testified that when he returned the call at 11:17 a.m.,

Ehrlichman said, "Cancel your meeting with Helms and Walters

today; it is not necessary." At 11:23 a.m. Gray called Helms

to cancel their meeting. Helms asked Gray to call off

interviews which the FBI had scheduled with two CIA employees.

(In July 1971, pursuant to a request from Ehrlichman to Deputy

CIA Director Robert Cushman, the two CIA employees had

provided Howard Hunt with disguises, hidden cameras, and other

material for use in domestic clandestine operations. In

requesting CIA assistance for Hunt, Ehrlichm~an had told

Cushman that Hunt "has been asked by the President to do some

special consulting work on security problems.")

Page40.1 L. Patrick Gray log, June 28, 1972, 1-2 (received

from SSC) 451


40.3 John Ehrlichman log, June 28, 1972(received fromSSC).....................................

40.4 John Ehrlichman testimony, 6 SSC 2562-63.......

40.5 Richard Helms testimony, 8 SSC3241............

An f; MFmornndasm from Richard Helms to Vernon Walters,

.........

455

.......

456

.......

458

June 28, 1972......................... (receivedfrom CIA) 459

(46)

40.7 CIA employee affidavit, May 18, 1973 (received from

.40.8 Partial transcript of telephone call from John

.Ehrlichman to General Robert Cushman, July 7, 1971,

.and accompanying affidavit of CIA employee,

.February 5, 1974 (received from CIA) 467

(47)

41. On June 28, 1972 Helms wrote a memorandum to Walters stating the substance of

Helms' conversation with Gray. Helms stated the CIA still adhered to its request that the

FBI confine its investigation to the persons already arrested or directly under suspicion

and that the FBI not expand its investigation into other areas which might eventually run

afoul of CIA operations.

41.1.......Memorandum from Richard Helms to Vernon Walters,................June 28, 1972 (received from CIA) 472

(48)

42. On June 28, 1972 Gray directed that the FBI interview Manuel Ogarrio and continue its

efforts to locate and interview Kenneth Dahlberg. On that evening John Dean telephoned

Gray at home and urged that, for national security reasons or because of CIA interest, efforts

to interview Ogarrio and Dahlberg be held up. Gray thereafter cancelled the interviews.

42.1 L. Patrick Gray testimony, 9 SSC 3455-56

(49)

43. On June 28, 1972 FBI agents met with Gordon Liddy, in the presence of FCRP attorney

Kenneth Parkinson, to question Liddy regarding the break-in at the ZINC headquarters. When

Liddy declined to answer the agents' questions, he was discharged by FCRP Chairman

Maurice Stans.

Page

43.1.......Gordon Liddy deposition, O'Brien [Democratic National................Committee] v. McCord, August 24, 1972, 37-41 478

(fS0)

44. On or about June 28, 1972 John Dean was informed that the

FBI was attempting to interview Kathleen Chenow, the secretary

of David Young and Egil Krogh in the White House Special

Investigations Unit (the "Plumbers"). (The number of a telephone

billed to Chenow at her home address but located in the EOB was

contained in a personal book of telephone numbers of Eugenio

Martinez and in an address book of Bernard Barker found in the

Watergate hotel room that had been occupied by certain of the

men arrested in the DNC headquarters.) Dean has testified that

he informed John Ehrlichman of problems connected with Chenow's

interview and Ehrlichman agreed that before her FBI interview

Chenow should be briefed not to disclose the activities of

Howard Hunt and Gordon Liddy while at the White House. On June

28, 1972 Dean telephoned Acting FBI Director Gray and requested

that Chenow's interview be temporarily held up for reasons of

national security. Gray agreed to the request.

44.5

44.6

................................................... Page

44.1 John Dean testimony, 3 SSC 941................. 484

44.2 E. Howard Hunt testimony, SSC Executive Session,

May 14, 1973, 311-12 485

44.3 L. Patrick Gray testimony, 9 SSC 3455-56....... 487

44.4 Washington, D. C. Police Department evidence

report,

June 20, 1972, identifying Bernard Barker address

book, Exhibit 38-A, United States v. Liddv 489

Washington, D. C. Police Department evidencereport, June 20, 1972, identifying EugenioMartinez telephone directory, Exhibit 54-S-1, United States v.

con

SSC report of Kathleen Chenow FBI 302 interview,

July 3, 1972 (received from SSC) 495

44.7 L. Patrick Gray testimony, SJC, Gray NominationHearings, February 28, 1973, 127 496

44.8 Kathleen Chenow telephone recordss 2/72 - 4/72(received from SSC) 497

(51)

45. On June 28, 1972 Gray met with John Ehrlichman and John

Dean. At this meeting Gray was given two folders containing

documents which he was told had been retrieved from Howard

Hunt's safe and had not been delivered to FBI agents when

the remainder of the contents of the safe was delivered on

June 27, 1972. Gray was told that these documents were

politically sensitive, were unrelated to Watergate,

and should never be made public. Dean did not deliver to

Gray the two notebooks and pop-up address book that had been

found in Hunt's safe; Dean has related that he discovered

these items in a file folder

in his office in late January 1973, at which time he

shredded the notebooks and discarded the address book.

Page

45.1 John Ehrlichman log, June 28, 1972 (received

from SSC)....................................502

45.2

45.3 John Ehrlichman testimony, 7 SSC 2835-36.....504

45.4 John Ehrlichman testimony, 6 SSC 2614........506

45.5 John Dean testimony, 4 SSC 1362-65...........507

45.6 Richard Ben-Veniste statement, UnitedStates v.

Liddy, November 5, 1973, 3-4 511

( 52)

46. On June 30, 1972 the President met with H. R. Haldeman and John Mitchell. A

portion of their discussion related to the Watergate break-in.

.Page

46.1.......Tape recording of a portion of a meeting among................the President, H. R. Haldeman and John Mitchell................on June 30, 1972 and House Judiciary Committee................transcript thereof 514

(53)

47. On July 2, 1972 Fred Fielding, staff assistant to John Dean, flew to England, where

Kathleen Chenow was vacationing, to bring Chenow back to Washington. On or about July 3,

1972 Chenow discussed her forthcoming FBI interview with Fielding and Plumbers Unit

member David Young. Dean and Fielding were present when the FBI interviewed Chenow.

....................................................................Page47.1 John Dean testimony, 3 SSC.........941 518

(54)

48. On July 5, 1972 at 5:54 p.m. Acting FBI Director Gray phoned Deputy CIA Director

Walters and stated that, unless the CIA provided by the following morning a written rather

than the verbal request to refrain from interviewing Manuel Ogarrio and Kenneth Dahlberg,

the FBI would go forward with those interviews. At 10:05 a.m. on July 6, 1972 Walters

met with Gray and furnished Gray a memorandum indicating that the CIA had no interest in

Ogarrio or Dahlberg. Gray then ordered that Ogarrio and Dahlberg be interviewed. At 10:51

a.m. Gray called Clark MacGregor, Campaign Director of CRP, who was with the President

at San Clemente, California. Gray has testified that he asked MacGregor to tell the President

that Gray and Walters were uneasy and concerned about the confusion during the past two

weeks in determining whether the CLUE had any interest in people whom the FBI wished

to interview in connection with the Watergate investigation. Gray also has testified that he

asked MacGregor to tell the President that Gray felt that people on the White House staff

were careless and indifferent in their use of the CIA and FBI, that this activity was injurious

to the CIA and the FBI, and that these White House staff people were wounding the

President. MacGregor has denied both receiving this call and the substance of it as related by

Gray, but has testified to receiving a call from Gray on another subject the previous evening

or possibly that morning. (By letter of July 25, 1973 to Archibald Cox, J. Fred Buzhardt

stated that the President's logs do not show any conversations or meetings between the

President and Clark MacGregor on July 6, 1972. The President's log for that date shows

meetings between the President and MacGregor

(55)

from 10-40 a.m. to 12:12 p.m., Pacific time.) At 11:28 a.m. the

President telephoned Gray. Gray told the President that he and

Walters felt that people on the President's staff were trying

to mortally wound the President by using the CIA and the FBI.

The President responded by instructing Gray to continue to

press ahead with the investigation.

rage

48.1 L. Patrick Gray log, July 5, 1972 (received from

SSC) 521

48.2 L. Patrick Gray testimony, 9 SSC 3457-58........ 522

48.3 L. Patrick Gray log, July 6, 1972, 1-2 (received

from SSC) 524


48.5 Vernon Walters memorandum for record, July6, 1972,

SSC Exhibit No. 97, 7 SSC 2913-14.....................

sm Can\

48.6 Memorandum from Vernon Walters to ActingDirector of the FBI, July 6, 1972, SSCExhibit No. 142,

...528

48.7 Clark MacGregor testimony, 1Z SSC 491Z-1X..........

48.8 Letter from Archibald Cox to J. Fred Buzhardt,July 10, 1973 and letter from J. Fred Buzhardt toArchibald Cox, July 25, 1973 (received from Water-gate Special Prosecution Force) 539

48.9 President Nixon daily diary, July 6, 1972, 1-3(received

from White House) 544

• non 57ffiw_QL ,,,,,,,, 547

48.10 John Ehrlichman testimony, / avv anon v

48.11 President Nixon statement, May 22, 1973, 9

Presi-

dential Documents 693, 696 -

48.12 L. Patrick Gray testimony, WatergateGrand Jury, July 19, 1973, 101-03(received from Watergate GrandJury).........................

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I

49. In July 1972 Dean obtained from Gray various interview

and investigative reports of the FBI investigation of the

break-in at the DNC headquarters. Dean has testified that

he showed these reports to

the attorneys for CRP and to CRP officials. Previously

Dean had asked Attorney General Kleindienst for access

to FBI interview reports and Attorney General

Kleindienst had refused his request.

Page

49.1 L. Patrick Gray testimony, SJC, Gray NominationHearings, March 21, 1973, 620-21 556

..558

..559

49.2

John Dean testimony, 3 SSC 945

49.3 John Dean testimony, 4 SSC 1361

49.4 Richard Kleindienst testimony, 9 SSC 3564 560

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50. On or about Friday July 28, 1972 a grand jury subpoenawas served on Maurice Stans,

Chairman of FCRP, to testify in connection with the investigation of the break-in at the DNC

headquarters about his knowledge of the purpose for which campaign funds were spent.

The President requested that John Ehrlichman determine if Stans could testify by

deposition instead of being subjected to a personal appearance before the grand jury. John

Dean called Henry Petersen, Assistant Attorney General in charge of the Criminal Division,

and requested that Stans' testimony be taken at the offices of the Department of Justice rather

than before the grand j ury. Petersen had previously agreed to this arrangement in the case of

testimony by menibers of the White House staff. Petersen told Dean that this procedure

could not be used for Stans, and Dean reported that response to Ehrlichman. On Saturday,

July 29, 1972 Ehrlichman called Petersen and requested that Stans not be compelled to

appear before the grand jury. Ehrlichman accused the prosecutors of harassing Stans. On

Sunday, July 30, 1972 Ehrlichman called Attorney General Kleindienst. Ehrlichman

reported that Petersen had refused to follow his instructions. The next day Kleindienst,

Petersen and Assistant United States Attorney Earl Silbert met in Petersen's office. They

agreed that Stans would be questioned under oath at the Department of Justice and not

before the grand jury. On August 2, 1972 Stans was questioned in Petersen's conference

room. According to Stans, in August the President called Stans and told him that he

appreciated the sacrifice that Stans was

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making in not answering questions for the press and hoped thathe could

continue to takeit.

Page

50.1 Earl J. Silbert statement to the SenateJudiciary

Committee in response to "A Report to the Special

Prosecutor on certain aspects of the Watergate

Affair," March 4, 1974, 27-28 (received from

Senate Judiciary Committee) 563



50.4 Henry Petersen testimony, 9 SSC 3618-19 568

50.5 Richard Kleindienst testimony, 9 SSC 3564-65 570

50.6 Robert W. Barker (counsel for MauriceStans)

statement, 2 SSC 682 572

~50.7

Maurice Stans testimony, 2 SSC 726 573

eatsttpment v C!:^

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51. John Ehrlichman has testified that on July 31, 1972

Ehrlichman, John Dean and Attorney General Kleindienst met

and discussed whether Jeb Magruder was involved in the break-

in at the DNC and that shortly

thereafter Ehrlichman discussed the meeting with the

President. Kleindienst has testified he does not recall the

meeting. In August, 1972, after Magruder's testimony before

the grand jury investigating the break-in at the DNC

headquarters, Dean called Assistant Attorney General Henry

Petersen to find out how Magruder had done when testifying.

Petersen called Assistant United States Attorney Silbert

and discussed Magruder's testimony. Petersen has testified

that he told Dean that while Magruder was a very articulate

young man, nobody believed Magruder's story that he did not

know the purposes for which campaign funds had been spent.

51.1 John Ehrlichman log, July 31, 1972(received

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51.2 John Ehrlichman testimony, 6 SSC 2554-

55.............z//



51.5 Henry Petersen testimony, 9 SSC 3617, 3651 582

51.6 Earl Silbert testimony, SJC, Nominationof Earl

Silbert to be United States Attorney for theDistrict of Columbia, April 23, 1974, 51-53----------584

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52. At the end of August 1972 John Ehrlichman met with the

President and discussed what public statements the President

should make about the White House and CRP involvement in the

June 17th breakin. The President decided that he would state

that there was no involvement of present White House

employees. On August 29, 1972 in a press conference the

President stated that John Dean, under the President's

direction, had conducted a complete investigation of all

leads that might involve any present members of the White

House staff or anybody in the Government. The President

said, "I can say categorically that his investigation

indicates that no one in the White House staff, no one in

this Administration, presently employed,

was involved in this very bizarre incident." John Dean has

denied

conducting that investigation. The President also stated

that the

FBI and the Department of Justice had had the total

cooperation of

the White House and that CRP was continuing its

investigation.

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...52.1 John Ehrlichman testimony, 7 SSC 2726 588

52.2 President Nixon news conference, August29, 1972,

8 Presidential Documents 1306....

52.3 John Dean testimony, Watergate Grand Jury,November 19, 1973, 48-50 (received fromWatergate Grand Jury)R-- ~

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53. On September 15, 1972 the PrestLdent met with H. R.Halden,irt and

John Dean. Certain subjects were discussed in thecourse of the

September 15, 1972meeting:

Filing of indictment againstsevenWatergate defendants

Manner in which Dean has handledWatergate matter...................................

Human frailties and bitterness betweenFinance Committee and Political Committee................................

Governmental power andpolitical

White House and Watergatematter.......................

T _ n criJLt_age

4-6

17

20-21

21-25, 35-36

53.1 Tape recording of a meeting among thePresident,

H. R. Haldeman and John Dean on September 15,

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1972 and House Judiciary Committee transcriptthereof 594

53.2 H. R. Haldeman's notes of meeting with the Presi-dent on September 15, 1972 (received from Water-gate Grand Jury) 637

53.3 H. R. Haldeman's notes of listening to taperecording of a meeting with the President

and John Dean on September 15, 1972(received from Watergate GrandJury)...............................

....639

54. On October 5, 1972 the President held a press conference. He stated that the EBI had

conducted an intensive investigation of Watergate because 'I wanted to be sure that no

merfiber of the White House staff and no man or woman in a position of major

responsibility in the Committee for Re-Election had anything to do with this kind of

reprehensible activity."

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8 Presidential Documents 1486, i489 ; ; 648

54.1 President Nixon news conference, October 5, 1972,

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55. On December 15, 1972 John Ehrlichman met with CIA

Director Richard Helms, William Colby of the CIA, and John

Dean. They discussed answers to questions posed by Assistant

Attorney General Henry Petersen and Assistant U. S. Attorney

Earl Silbert. Colby had disclosed on November 27, 1972 to the

Federal prosecutors that Ehrlichman was the person who had

requested CIA assistance for Howard Hunt in 1971. They also

discussed the materials turned over by the CIA to the Justice

Department on October 24, 1972.

55.1 John Ehrllchman log, December 15, 1972(received

55.2 William Colby testimony, Senate ArmedServices

Committee, nomination of William Colby to beDirector of Central Intelligence Agency, July

25,_ ~ ,, ~ ,,

55.3 William Colby testimony, Senate Armed ServicesCommittee Executive Session, May 14, 1973, 110 656


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56. On January 8, 1973 former CIA Deputy Director Cushman sent

a memorandum to John Ehrlichman identifying as the person who

requested CIA assistance for Howard Hunt in 1971 one of the

following: Ehrlichman, Charles Colson or John Dean. On January

10, 1973 after discussions with Ehrlichman and Dean, Cushman

changed the memorandum to state that he did not recall the

identity of the White House person who requested

assistance forHunt.

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56.2 Robert Cushman testimony, 8 SSC 3295-97 662

56.3 Memorandum from Robert Cushman to JohnEhrlichman,

January 8, 1973, SSC Exhibit No. 125, 8 SSC

56.4 Memorandum from Robert Cushman to John Ehrlichman,January 10, 1973, SSC Exhibit No. 126, 8 SSC3391 666

56.5 Partial transcript of telephone call from JohnEhrlichman to General Robert Cushman, July 7, 1971with accompanying CIA employee affidavit, February5, 1974 (received from CIA) 667

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57. Early in 1973 John Dean met with Assistant Attorney General Petersen. Petersen showed

Dean documents delivered by the CIA to the Department of Justice, including copies of the

photographs connecting Howard Hunt and Gordon Liddy with Dr. Fielding's office. On a

second occasion prior to February 9, 1973 Dean met with Petersen and discussed what the

Department of Justice would do if requested by the CIA to return materials. Petersen told

him that an indication that the materials had been sent back to the CIA would have to be

made in the Department's files.

57.1 John Dean testimony, 3 SSC.........978 672

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58. On February 9, 1973 Dean called CIA Director James

Schlesinger. Dean suggested that the CIA request the

Department of Justice to return a package of materials that

had been sent to the Department of Justice in connection with

the Watergate investigation. Deputy CIA Director Walters

contacted Dean on February 21, 1973 and refused Dean's

request.

58.1 James Schlesinger memorandum for therecord,

February 9, 1973, SSC Exhibit No. 135,9 SSC

Page

..674

58.2 James Schlesinger testimony, Senate ArmedServices

Committee, May 14, 1973, 146-47 676

58.3 Vernon Walters memorandum ofconversation on

~ 41 ~~75 M~v 11 l47t RSc Exhibit No.

58.4 John Dean testimony, 3 SSC 978-79...................

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I

STATEMENT OF INFORMATION

AND

SUPPORTING EVIDENCE

EVENTS FOLLOWING

THE WATERGATE BREAK-IN

June 17, 1972 - February 9, 1973

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1. On June 17, 1972 shortly after 2:00 a.m. five persons,

including James McCord, a security consultant for the Committee

for the Re-election of the President (CRP), were arrested in the

Watergate headquarters of the Democratic National Committee

(DNC). Immediately after the arrests, Howard Hunt and Gordon

Liddy left the Watergate Hotel. Hunt took with him a briefcase

belonging to McCord that contained electronic equipment, went to

his office in the Executive Office Building (EOB), and withdrew

from a safe located in his EOB office $10,000 previously provided

to him by Liddy for use in case there was a mishap. Hunt placed

McCord's briefcase in the safe. In the early morning hours, he

delivered the money to an attorney on behalf of the five persons

arrested at the DNC headquarters.

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1.2 James McCord testimony, 1 SSC 126.................... 75

1.3 E. Howard Hunt testimony, 9 SSC 3688-89.............. 76

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1.1 PAUL LEEPER TESTIMONY MY 17 1973 1 SSC 96 105-06s v • J

Sergeant LEEPER. In the area of the Watergate complex, the WhiteHouse area.

Mr. DASH. Moss that vour position on June 17, 1972?

Sergeant LEEPER. Yes, sir. \ e lvere working that area.

WIr. DASH. Now, Seraeant, is the dress that you are presentl~xvearingat this committee hearing the tyke of dress that you usually shear in •-ourvocation?

Sergeant LEEPER.5'0, sir.

SIr. DASH. What is vour usual dress?

Sergeant LEEPES NVell, vie varv it from anvthing from old Arrnvshirts, golf jackets, golf hats, casual clothes. I had a pair, on the niaht inquestion, a pair of blue slacks on, a blue jacket Keith a university writtenacross the front of it, and a golf cap.

AIr. D~sz. And in the police automobile that you use, is this a marledautomobile or unmarked?

Sergeant LEEPES A0, sir, it isunmarked.

Air. DASH. lVas that the kind of automobile that you were June171 19 lT2 ---- V_- -:

zergeanb L6bU8g. sob, be-.

t"""~ NIr. DASH. Thank your

_ m on

Now, can eve first have chart 5. While the) are gettine the chart, Sergeant,can You tell us did there come a time sometime earlv in the morning of or ofJune 17 or late in the evening, whatever time it occurred of June 16, that yotlreceived a cal l to come to the vicini ty of the Watergate complex inlVashington, D.C.

Sergeant LEEPER. Yes, sir.

AIr. DASH. What xvas the nature of that call?

Sergeant LEEPER. Well, the cull came out about 01o2 hours on themorning of the 17th, Saturdav, and the call origınally came out for anv scoutcar, which would be a marked car vehicle in the Police Department andofficial in it to respond to the •Taterzate. 2600 Virginia Avenue, to assist aspecial officer, the official vehicle would be a sergeant, lieutenant, or acaptain's cruiser These N ould be nlarliecl vehicles. No one ansevere(l that,and the dispatcher. the police dispatcher came over the air an(l asked if therexvas anv TAC unit in the area.

SenatOI BAKER. Any m-hat?

Sergeant LEEPER. The) refer to us as casual clothes, tactical squadsand thev have other squads.

Senator B.-\I;ER. TAC unit.SIr. DASH. Authoritv for tactical Emit.Serzeant LEEPER. Tactical unit. Yes, sir, end at this time I was nvorliin~ in

cruiser 727, which is an unmgrl~ed police vehicle with Officer Bohn Barrettand Officer Ct rl Shoffler.

Alr. DASH. \Nthere xvere xou locate(l when You reeeis-e(l that call?Sergeant IJEEPER We there in the area of about Ix an( l :40thr \

N~ashincrton, D.C.Air. D \SH. HO\V close lvas it to the Wnter~:lte complex'Sergeant BEEPER. SPPrOX;rNrlte1! a minute final a half. v minutes

_ tt\V:t\'

Air. DASH. If xOtl call see the chart svhi(ll is on the easel. anti if not. (andoll ,{JO to it, (lo ~1)ll r~wtoirl)ize the pllvsto~tr;lpll that appears on that easel '

Serete:lNt Ll'EPEll. ages. Sit'; it is of the l~tteryate eoluples.

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1.1 PAIJl} DEEPER TESTIMONY, P64Y 17, 1973, 1 SSC96, ZO5-06

10.o

r

Senator BASER. Just one second, just a second, I do not mean tounduly interrupt counsel, but just so I can keep the continuity- in mymind, that man across the street xvas in the Hotvard Johnson?

Sergeant LEEPER. That is correct.Senator BAILER. Where?Sergeant LEEPER. He svas out on the balcony. I did not see him,

Senator. It svas just called to my attention by Officer Shoffler.Senator BAKER But you knew he was watching you?Sergeant LEEPER. Yes, sir.Senator BAKER. How lone did he watch?Sergeant LEEPER. I do not know, sir. I did not even look over. I

justSenator BAKER. I ou had flour guns out?Ser<,eantt LEEPER. I did not have my gun out but Officer Shoffler

had his weapon out.Senator BAKER. And you were on the floor of the DN'C, the

Democratic NTational Committee?Sergeant LEEPER. Yes, sir.Senator BARER. The balcony outside?Sergeant IJEEPERO NVell, it is referred to as the terrace.Senator BAKER. lYho was that fellow?Sergeant LEEPER. It xvas later found to be James Baldwin.Senator BAKER. Do you know how long Baldwin watched?Sergeant LEEPsR. I think from the time we pulled up in front

here, sir.

SIr. DASH. All right. Then, what did You do? Did you leave theterrace at that time?

Sergeant I,EEPER. Yes, sir, we responded back in the area of thehallway and Eve met up again with Officer Barrett down to this area,checking the offices that were open as we came down the hallway, andwe came into this room here through a glass door, Officer Barrett wasthe first man followed by myself and Officer Shoffler. Officer Barrettresponded up to this area here and I started into this little secretarialcubicle here, Officer Shoffler was somewhere in this area and at thispoint I hearth Officer Barrett vell: "Hold it, come out."

Air. DASH. Where was that voice coming from?Selgeant LEEPER Officer Barrett?Air. DASH. \~es; where was that voice coming from?Sergeant LEEPER. Right in this area here, Officer Barrett xvas riaht

in this area. At this time I respon(lecl back Otlt of the cubicle into thiscubicle, jun1?efl llp O11 the desk, drawing mv weapon anal when Ilooked outer this glass partition there were Xve men standing in frontof a desk with their hands either raised above their heads or at leastshotll(ler high11 wearing bltle sureical gloves.

Sir. DASH. \l'hat, if anvthin~, tlitl You see them doing at the timethat their hands xvere up ivhell Con ha(l ^ our gulfs Otlt on theme

Sergeant I,EEPER. Some of tile g entlemen, sir, hatl tried to removethe gloves hi!- IISilig, )'011 kilO\V, taking one llantl and trying to throw it okwith the other

Slr. 1)ASH. Dill ~Otl Otis c all! I;in(l of etluipltlent or partlphernalitt. inan(l all)lln(l Where VOtl fotul(l the nlell''

Setgenllt l.EEPEIn \'es. sir. One of the nlen Flail. svas carrvinV antI.Xs.o.l. t)n>. a11 ovelllizrllt t);ltr bienlilalrire l)roxvn ban With his coat

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1.1 PAUL LEEPER 7NESTIMONY AL4Y 17 1973 1 SSC 96 105-06_ . v v . • .

106

(Irnpefl os-er it contnined ;-nriolls items, cameras, btllbs, cltlmps forclampin~(> the e nmeras to tlle (lesl;, wnll;ie-tallsies. thinc,j of thissort.

Ak. D.~SH. NO\V, juit ^,oincr (loxvn tolvtlrtl tlle corner there fromthitt roo.-n xvhere ~-ou apprehen(le(l the men, the corner toxvartl thebottorn ric,ht corner, c,o all the xvay donvn to the large oirt'ice in theeorner there.

Se.geflnt I.EEPER. Ricrht in here, sir.AIr. DASH. NO; the ltlrcre office in the corner, the s-er~- e(lc,ew

whose office is that?SerOeant LEEPER. That is the offtce o' the chairman at that

tirne of .he Democratic Partv svas LaxsTence F. O'Brien.RIr. DXSH. Antl svas there entrance to that ofFice from or necess to

it from ~-here vou founfl the men vou npprehen(letl?Sergeant LEEPER. \~es, sir. As ^,ou can see bv the ehart, sir, xou

ha(l access to that offS. e.AIr. DASH. Anel next to that offtce, to the left, ~;hose office svasthat?SerCreSrttLEEPER. That is the (leputv chairman, sir, Stanle~-L. Gra~-.Sk. D.XSH. NOEV,ROU at that point, what di(l +-OU tlo nith the

men he apprehenale(l nt that point?SerCrenNtIJEEPER. We ortlered them out from behind the dej!;

and lined thenl up along the xvall, facincr the nvall, hnntls on thexvall, feet spreasl apart, antl at that time I informeel the1ll xvho s^-e•vere, thev xYere un(ler arrest for burcrlar~- and a(ls~isetl tllelll oftheir ricrllt3 ansl tit that tinze, I clirected Olfficer Barrett to beein asvstematic search of euch man.

Air. DASH. DiTlVOU notiee anvthine unlls~z ll about these menlvhen +'Oll arreste(l them, the lva~- the;- xvere elre>-se(l¢'

E;ergeant l.EEPER. Tllex xvere •vell elresse(l, sir, in either suits,sport toats nnd ties.

:\k. DASH. ~'olv. (lO + oll knoxv the nanles of those people. tli(lths v gri~-e their names at that tinle to sotl?SelCreatlt LEEPER. -tt that tinle, no, sir.W[r. DASH. Did they gi~-e anv narrLes to vou'?Sergeallt LEEPER. Later, +N-hen thev xvere boolied in the

precinct, tallsen to heatkluarters, 9:301 L Street, the~- ga~-e usnanles svhic}1 klter pros ed to be false names, aliases.A[r. D.~SH. Ditl ~-ou later fin(l out xvho they xvere'?Sergeant LEEPER. \ es, sir.SIr. DASH. Coul(l ~-ou natne the persons ~vho vOtl arrestetl in that

location bv the names that iater fotln(l ont svho thes- nsere to be?Sergeant LEEPER. Franl; ~Sttlrcris, Bernarel L. Barker, Janles \

[cCoral, Eugenio :\ktrtixtez, antl I thilllv it sV>tS Nir¢,ilio Gonzttles.Senator ERVtX. \'irCilio Gonzttles?SerCreant LEEPER. I belie~-e thtlt is the ~rIts he prol1ouxlces hisn:lnle:\lr. DASH. Di(l ~Otl XICeOII1PSInV tllenl (IO\\51 to the srationhollse'?Se1Ceallt I EEPEn. \~es, sir, xvc sent thiee of rhenl tloxvn in a

patrol nPacront one •Vols transEcorteQl, T thillli Si'r. Sl(('ortl, ~v:lstransporte.l in S:< seotlt an(l I transpolteel l\il. Barl;er itl tlle oltl Clotlles 'r\

(~ nit the ltntllallee(l crtliser.Air. I)AS11. Vt a l1tter tilne •li~l ! oll eOnle l):lelZ ainl nl:~lxe:tns- searel

•,f a1llx t't>A~rll ill tlle \0~:lteltrolte(:otlll)lex'

Sergt'allt [.I.El'E[t. [ (':lille ~)21('1; ti} the \\-:lteltt:lte {'OtII6)}eX iJllt tile

St olre ll ~s'tuS III:zlle' l)! tlle :\I,.l,ilt' ( 's'illw(' L'lli; _\t tite tirlle sve.'~).11.1

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1.2 JAMES ICCCORD TESTIMONT fiL4Y 18, 19

126

Mr. MCCORD. I received on retirement in August 1970 theDistinguished Service Award for outstanding performance of dutywith CIA. I received some others

Mr. DASH. Now, prior to sour arrest, 'indictment, and convictionrelation to the Watercr,ate incident, xvere you ever arrested chargedwith a crime, or the subject of anv complaint or disciplinaryproceeding in y our life?

Mr. MCCORD. I have had traffic violations in the Washington

area; yes, Sll.

Mr 1)ACU Tq that all?

Were you an employee of the Commit tee To Re-Elect thePresident?Mr. A L cC ORD . Yes .Mr. DASH. What position did you hokl and what were your duties?Mr. MCCORD. I came aboard first as a security consultant part

time in September of 1971.Mr. DASH. By the way, how did you get that' job?Mr. MCCORD. I was introduced initially by Mr. John Caulfield and

Mr. Odle, the Director of Adrrunistration who testified yesterday andbased on that internew •vas employed part time and then full time inJanuary, the first of January 1972.

Mr. DASH. NOW, what were vour duties in that position assecurity chief?

Mr. MCCORD. The duties were essentially the function of theProtection of the property and the'lives of the personnel of theeom3ntittee in that facility there and subsequently in the facility atMiami, iFla., that the committee and some of the NVhite House staffwould occupy during the Republican Convention in August of 1972.The duties were primarily those of physical security protection ofpersonnel security, some document security, and some protectivevFork for the family of John Mitchell.

Mr. DASH. NOW, were those duties, and that assignment that youhave just described under whose direction did you work?

Mr. MCCORD. Primarilv under the direction of Nilr. Robert Odlew h o w a s m y i m m e d i a t e s u p e r v i s o r i n t h e c o m m i t t e e . T h eresponsibility with Mr. Alitchell and his family, I received directionsfrom him, from Mrs. Mitchell, from Robert Odle and Stir. Liddy.

Mr. DASH. Did there come a time when thou worked under thedirection of Gordon Liddv?

hIr. MCCORD. Yes, I did.Mr. DASH. NVhat was Mr. Liddv's position at that time?Mr. MCCORD. He was at first from December until about Starch

19 - December 1971 to about March 1972 - general counselfor the Committee To Re-Elect the President. Thereafter he was—occupied the same position with the finance committee for thereelection of the Presiden t.

Mr. DASEI. XVhen did this arrangement begin or, in whichcapacitv did you •rork under his direction, Mr. AilcCord, with Mr.Liddy?

Mr. ACCORD. The first discussions of the alTant,ements beransometime in Januarv 1972. Early January.

Mr. DASH. Could J ou briefly state for the committee, Mr. McCord.what it was that Mr. Liddy wanted you to do?

Mr. MCCORD. I can give a bit of a background if you want that.

When he'first came aboard the committee in December 1971 hebegan to—sve struck up an acquaintance, •ve had had a contact on it,and

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1,,~ E. HOHARD SIUXT TESTIMONY, SEPTEMBER 24, 1973, 9 SSC 3688-83

3688

Mr. DAslr. All right llOlV, XII. Hunt, with regard to the DemocratConvention in Miami, did you give any assignments to AIr. F3arkel R

Air. HOT. I did.Mr. I).vslr. And what, if any, assignment did Lou give Mr. Barker?Alr . HUNT. We are speaking nox only of the Democrat icConvention.AIr. DASH. Democratic.Mr. HUN'T. WIr. Barker's principal assignment vas to develop a

nctwork of informants along the WIiami Beach hotel complex v-hocould report to us concerning campaign developments, conventiondevelopments, policies of individual Democratic candidates.

Mr. DASH. Did he also have an assignment to proellle a houseboatas a base for electronic surveillance ?

Mr. HUNT. Yes.Mr. DASH. And did he also have an assignment to recruit some

persons who might be disreputable looking 5 oung men, hippies, topose as McGovern supporters ?

Mr. HOT. Yes.Mr. DASH. XVhat nvere they supposed to do ?Mr. HUNT. They were supposed to demonstrate in front of the

Doral Hotel some evening and behave outrageously to bring discreditupon the bulk of the useful McGovern supporters.

Mr. DAsFr. Now, Mr. Hunt, I think you, in fact, did participate inthe break-in of the Democratic National Committee headquarters atthe Watergate on or about Clay 27, 1972, is that not true ?

Mr. HIJNT. I do not know if the word :'participate" embraces itMr. DASH. You did not make an entry yourself ? -Mr. HIJNT. No, sir. I participated in it.Mr. DASH. And is it not true that you recruited AIr. Barker to bring

up the team of Cuban-Americans to assist in this plan ?Mr. HUNT. Yes, sir.Mr . DASH. And is i t t rue tha t i t vas h is job to engage in

photographing Democratic Party documents?Mr. HUNT. Yes, sir.

— Mr. DASH. Nonv, it is true, is it not, that vou also participated in thesecond break-in, using the "participating as you indicated before thatyou definitely did not break in the Democratic National Committeeheadquarters on June 18, 1972 ?

AIr. HMfT. Yes, sir.Mr. DASH. Where nvere you situated when the entry team lras

arrested ?Mr. HOT. In room Bl4 of the Watergate Hotel, vhich is another

building.ATr. DASH. What did you do immediately after you nvere made

aware that an arrest had taken place ?Parr. HUNT. I closed up Afr. McCord's briefcase, xvllich contained

electronic equipment, and with Ak. I,iddv, xve left the premises. Idrove to the White House, where I inserted the briefcase l~elongillgto :\tr. WIcCord, into my txvo-dramer safe. I Event—I believe I calledAIr. I)ou.>las Cacldv's apartment, he being an attorney.

31 r. DAsir. Who is Atr. Caddy ?Atr. HUN-T. Air. Douglas Caddy. an attorney and a former

emplovee of the Mullen Co., and asked him if he could receive me atthat early hollr of the morning.

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1.3 E. HOWARD BUNT TESTIMONY, SEPTEMBER 24, 1973, Y SSC3688-89

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AIr. DASH. Did you take, ny money out of the safe ?Air. H1'N'T. Yes, sir, I did.AIM . D ask. Hoxv much ?Air. HUNT. I took out $10,000.Air. I)ASH. Anlerc did you get that monev ?Atr. Hl,-N-T. That XVQS contingency mone) that had been provided

me l~v Atr. Liddy.or.. DAS1f. Contingency just in case there lvas this kind oftroubler AI:r. H1J5T. Yes, Sir; in case there lvas a mishap.AIr. DASH. AVhat did you do with that monev ?AIr. HEN-T. I tools it during the course of the early morning to

AIr. Caddy's apartment and gave it to him on behalf of the five menwho had been arrested.

Air. DAslr. Did you make an analysis or review of the contents ofvoter safe at that time or a later time ?

Air. HIJ5-T. NO, sir; not at that time.Arr. I).vsfil. ANThen did you, if you did ?AIr. HIJ5-T. Excuse me.BIr. D.ssTl. AIr. Hunt. this might help YOU. DO 7-OU recall

returning to vour office at the EOB and looking through the contentsof your safe ?

Alr. HlIN-T. Yes, sir.Afr. DASH. Xnd do vou recall that that m-as on or about June 19,

197--i' ?Air. H1J>-T. Yes, sir.All. I)ASH. Just very brieflv. can you describe the contents of

your safe at that time, xvllat yotl had in there ?AIr. HUNT. AVell, there lvas a great deal of material, Air. Dash.l\[l-. I)ASn. Just bv categorv.3\Ir. HAUNT. There lvere the fabricated Vietnamese cables that I

had shown to BIr. Colson, AIr. Conein, and Ak. Lambert. Therewas material relating to Gemstone; there avere transcripts of myconversations with Mr. Clifton De Lotte, for example. There avas avery substantial amount of material, part of which lvas shown me atthe time of disco~-erv by the 1-.23. attornev—perhaps I am notbeing responsive.

AIr DASH. Yes. you are being responsive Did it also include thebriefcase which included AIr. 3IcCord's electronic equipment ?

Atr. Hlro-T. Oh, y es; that avas there.LIr. DASH. Nonv, did you inform anyone on that day of the

contents of your safe?Afr. HOT. I did.AIr. I)z\SII. 5 Tho lvas that ?AIr. HUNT. AIr. C7olson's secretary.Err. I)AS1I. What is her name ?Ntr. Htrs-T. Her name svas Zrrs. Joan Hall.fir. DAslr. I)id y ou characterize or say anvthine about the contents? Arr. H5XT. Yes, sir; I did.Atr. I).sslr. B'hat did v ou say ?

Atr. HUNT. Before I deft the White House for the last time. Istopped bv Air. (?olson's office.. not to see him but simplv toinform AIrs. Hall vllom 1 linelv held the combination to mv safe,that it contained sensiti~-e material. I simplv said to her. "I justavant vou to know that that safe is loaded."

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2. At the time of the arrests at the Watergate headquarters of

the DNC, electronic surveillance and photographic equipment

and approximately $1,500 in cash were found in the possession

of the persons arrested. A subsequent search of rooms in the

Watergate Hotel that had been rented under alias names used by

certain of the persons arrested produced a directory

containing a White House telephone number for Howard Hunt, a

check drawn by E. Howard Hunt, and 32 sequentially numbered

$100 bills. (These bills had been received from a Florida bank

into which Barker had deposited five checks contributed to the

President's reselection campaign. Four of these checks

totalling $89,000 had been drawn on a Mexican bank payable to

Manuel Ogarrio, a Mexican lawyer. The fifth check totalling

$25,000 had been drawn by Kenneth Dahlberg. These checks had

been delivered to Gordon Liddy by FCRP Treasurer Hugh Sloan to

be converted into cash.)

Page 2.1 Paul Leeper testimony, 1 SSC 96, 105-08...... 81

2.2 Memorandum from Vernon Walters to L.Patrick

Gray, July 7, 1972, SSC Exhibit No. 143, 9SSC

2.3 Hotel registration records, June 16, 1972,for

R. Godoy (Virgilio Gonzalez), J. DiAlberto(Frank

Sturgis), J. Valdez (Eugenio Martinez), andF.

Carter (Bernard Barker), Exhibits 88-91,United

States v.Liddy........................................ 87

2.4 United States v. Liddy indictment, September15, 1972,

Count One, paragraphs 1-15 89

2.5 Metropolitan Police Department, Washington,D. C.,

Supplementary Evidence Report, June 20, 1972,

12, 24-25.......

2.6 L. Patrick Gray testimony, 9 SSC3451

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Page2.7 John Dean testimony, 3 SSC 942-43 96

2.8 Hugh Sloan testimony, 2 SSC 575-76 98

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2.1 PAUL LEEPER TESTIMONY, MAY 17, 1973, 1 SSC96, 105-08

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Sergeant LEEPER In the area of the Watergate complex, theWhite House area.

Mr. DASH. Was that vour position on June 17, 1972?Sergeant LEEPER. Yes, sir. We were working that area.LIr. DASH. NOW, Sergeant, is the dress that you are presentlv

wearing at this committee hearing the type of dress that 5-Otl usually

vear in v-our vocation?Sergeant LEEPER. No, sir.AIr. DASEI. What is vour usual dress?Sergeant LEEPER. Well, we s-arv it from anvthing from old

Arm~~shirts, golf jackets, golf hats, casual clothes. I had a pair, onthe night in question, a pair of blue slacks on, a bhle jacket with auniversity written across the front of it, and a golf cap.

AIr. DASH. And in the police automobile that you use, is this nmarked automobile or unmarked?

Sergeant LEEPER. No, sir, it is unmarkedAIr. DASH. Was that the kind of automobile that you svere in on

June 17, 1972?Sergeant LEEPER. Yes, sir.

~~~ Sk. D.&SH. Thank you.| STow, can we first have chart 5. NVhile they are getting the chart,

Sergeant, can thou tell US did there come a time sometime early- in themorning of or of June 17 or late in the evening, whatever time itoccurred of June 16, that tou received a call to come to the vicinityof the Watergate complex in Washington, D.C.?

Sergeant LEEPER. Yes, sir.Mr. DASH. What was the nature of that call?Sergeant LEEPER. \NTell, the call came out about 0152 hours on

the morning of the 17th, Saturdav, and the call oririnallv came outfor any scout car, which would be a marked car vehicle in the PoliceDepartment and official in it to respond to the Watergate. 260Q

- Virginia Avenue, to assist a special officer, the official vehicle lvoUl(l

be a sergeant, lieutenant, or a captain's cruiser. These would benlarlsetl vehicles. N o one ansl erefl that, and the dispatcher the policedispatcher came over the air an(l asked if there xvas anv TAC unit inthe area.

Senator BAKER. Any what?Sergeant LEEPER. The) refer to us as casual clothes tactical

squads and thev have other squads.Senator BAILER. TAC twit.Mr. DASH. Authoritv for tactical Emit.Sergeant LEEPER. Tactical unit. Yes, sir, and at this time I vas

overkind in cruiser 727, which is an unmarked police vehicle withOfficer John Barrett and Officer Carl Shoffler.

:\lr. DASH. Where svere •-Otl located svllen you received thatcall?Sergeant DEEPER. We were in the area of about Ix an(l :SOth.

Washington, D.C.Air. DaSH. HO\V close xvas it to the Wttter(>ate complex'?

Sergeant IJEEPERV Approximately a minute and a half. 2minutes

:\lr. DASH. If vou can see the chart which is 011 the easel. analif not. can Soil go to it, (lo vou recognize the photograph thatappears 011 that easel'?

Ser. eant LEEPER. dies! sir; it is of the Waterrate complex.

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2-1 PAUL LEEPER SESTIE@ONY) MAY 17, 1973, 1SSC 96, costs

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Senator BAKER. Just one second, just a second, I do not mean tounduly interrupt counsel, but just so I can keep the continuity in mymind, that man across the street was in the Holvard Johnson?

Sergeant LEEPER. That is correct.Senator BARER. Where?Sergeant LEEPER He svas out on the balcony. I did not see him,

Senator. It NVlS just called to my attention by Officer Shoffler.Senator BAKER. But you knew he was watching you?Sergeant LEEPER. Vies, sir.Senator BAKER. HOW long did he watch?Sergeant LEEPER. I do not knoxv, sir. I did not even look over. I

justSenator BAILER. You had your guns out?Sergeant LEEPER I did not have my gun out but Officer

kShoffler had his weapon out ~ Senator BA}CER. And you were on the floor of the DSTC, theDemo

cratic National Committee?Sergeant LEEPER. Yes, sir.Senator BAKER. The balcony outside?Sergeant LEEPER. Well, it is referred to as the terrace.Senator BAKER. Who was that fellow?Sergeant LEEPER It was later found to be James Baldwin.Senator BAKER. Do you know how long Baldwin watched?Sergeant LEEPER. I think from the time we pulled up in front

here, sir.

SIr. DASH. All right. Then, what did you do? Did you leave theterrace at that time?

Sergeant WEEPERS Yes, sir, we responded back in the area ofthe hallway and rve met up again with Officer Barrett down to thisarea, checking the offices that were Olsen as Eve came down thehallway, and we came into this room here through a glass door,Officer Barrett was the first man followed by mvself and OfficerShoffler. Officer Barrett responded up to this area here ancl I startedinto this little secretarial cubicle here, Officer Shoffler svassomesvhere in this area and at this point I heard Officer Barrettvell: "Hold it, come out."

Air. DASH. Where was that voice coming from?Sergeant LEEPER. Officer Barrett?Sir. DASH. S~es; svhere •vas that voice coming from?Sergeant LEEPER. Right in this area here, Officer Barrett xvas

right in this area. At this time I responded back colt of the cubicleinto this cubicle, jumpe(l up on the desk, grassing m) weapon an(lwhen I loolse(l over this glass partition there were five men standingin front of a desk xvith their llall(ls either raised above their hea(ls orat least *houl(ler l.it,h wenlin, bhle surgical gloves.

Alr. DASH. \What, if anvthina, (licl vou see them doing at thetime that their hands xvere up ivhell yotl ha(l vour (>UIIS out onthem?

Sergeant LEEPER Some of the Gentlemen, sir, ha(l tried to

remove the t loves bv using,, you knows taking one hallel analtrying to throw it oHi With the other.

:\lr. DASH. Di(I}-OIInOtiCe allv lsin(l of equipment orparnpllernalis in an(l arollll(l where VOU foull(l the men?SerVetlIItl,EEPEIn \'es, sir. One of the men odes, Nvas carrvint

an a.~v.o l. ban an overlli(rllt bag, semilarae brown baffl with hiscoat

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(iraped os-er it contained variowls items, cameras, bulbs, clalllps forclampilla the cameras to tlle clesk, walkie-tallsies. thinas of this sort.

Ak. D.~SH. NOW, jllst goina (lown toxvar(l tlle ct rne.r tllere fromthttt room svhere you apprehenile(l the men, the corner toxvar(l thebottom rigllt corner, go all the svay (loxvn to the large office in theeorner there.

Sergeant LEEPER. Riaht in llere, sir.

AIr DASH NO; the l a rge o f f i l ce in the corner , t l l ever~~e(lt,e, svhose office is that?Sergeant LEEPER. That;S the office of the chairman at

that time of the Democratic Partv was I,a~~sTence F. O'Brien.SIr. D~SH. An(l svas there entrance to that office from or necess to

it from xvhere v Otl fOtinfl tile mell V OU apprellell(le(t?

Sergeant LEEPER. \'es, sir. As ~~~~ou can see bs the chart, sir,vou ha(l access to tllat office.

SIr. DASH. An(l next to that offitce, to the left, whose office svasthat?SerCeantLEEPER. That is the cleputv chairman, sir,Stanle~~~ L. Gra~~-.Alr. DASH. A-O\V,XOEI at that point, what di(l VOU JO\

NSth tlle men he apprehende(l at that point7SerCeant LEEPER. XVe ordered them out fron1 behind the

(lesk and lined thenl Up along the svall, facina the wall, hancls on thewall, feet sprea(l apart, an(l at that time I informeel thelll ~~vho xververe, thev were un(ler arrest for burglarv and a(lvise(l tllelll of theirr ig}lts and at that t inle, I directed Officer Barret t to beain asvstematic search of each man.

N[r. DASH. Di(I \ OU notice anx thina unustlal about these mensvhen + ou arreste(l thenl, the xvav thev svere elresse(l?

Sergeant LEEPER. They xvere svell (lressetl, sir, in either suits,sport coats and ties.

AIr. DASH. Now. clo von knoxv the nanles of those people, (lielthev ai~~-e their names at that tinle to R ou?SergeflrltI,EEPER. Xt tllat time, no, sir.Alr. DASH. Did they give anv nantes to vou?Sergeant LEEPER. Later, xvhen thev were booked in the

precinct, taken to hea(l(luarters, 9301 L .Street, the~~- gave vlSnanles w}lich later pror ecl to be false names, aliases.

SIr. D~SH. DiCI}OU later fin(l Otlt xvho tlle) xvere?SerCeant LEEPER. z es, sirAIr. DASH. COUI(i}-OU name tlle persons WhO VOtl

arrested in that location br the names that iater folln(l Otit WllO thevsvere to be9SerCeant LEEPER. Frank ,Sttlrgis, Bernal(l L. Barker,

.Janles AlcCord, Euaenio Alartinez, an(l I think it lvas \'irgilioGonznles.

.Senator F,Rvix. \'irailio Gonzales?

SerCealltLEEPER. I bel iez e t l la t is the SVa\- heprollowlllces his nt mesAIr. DASH. Di(t ROll accolllpanv therll do~~z-n to the stationhollse?

Sergeant IEEPER. ~~ı es, sir, xve sent three oE them (IO\Vllin a leatrol wago1l, one svas transpo1tecl, I think AIr. SIcCorct, rvastrttnsportetl in 8:X seout an(l I trallspoltetl Atr. Barker in the ol(lclothes T\(' vlnit, the uxllllall;ecl crtliser.

311. D.ssl{. tt a lttter tinle (li .l v ou conle ba( k a l l t l n la lveall~~searc h of a1lr roonl ill tlle 00~aterr,ate co;nr)lex?

aSergeallt I EEPER. I c allle 1sac k to the \E'atel!<.lte ( onlplex bllttlle searcll xvas lnacle b} thC SIObilC Crillle lJIIit. Tt the [inle~~Ve eOtll(l

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2.1 PAUL PEEPER SESTIiC0NY. SY 1Z. 1973. 1 SSC 96. cosmos

get in touch with them they handled all the searching of the rooms

and all the fingerprinting tmd processing.

WIr. DASH. What rooms were searched?

Sergeant LEEPER. Well, the Mobile Crune did a search of the

whole complex—sixth floor complex. The conference room, all these

rooms alone here.

Mr. DASH. Were there any other rooms in the hotel or any other

place of the complex that was also searche i?

Sergeant LEEPER. Yes, sir. We obtained search warrants at about

2::30 in the afternoon, that would be Saturdav afternoon on June 17,

and went into rooms 214 and 314 of the Watergate Hotel.

Mr. DASH. What led yotl to get such search warrants?

Sergeant LEEPER. XVell, we checked the guests, the register, to see

who was registered at the Watergate and I think they also checkedthe Howard Johnsons across the street and some of the fictitiousnames these gentlemen had used were on the register of the Watergate

Hotel.

WIr. DASH. Could you sav briefly what, if anything, was found in

the search of that hotel?

Sergeant LEEPER. More electrical equipment, more blue surgical

gloves, about .84,200 in $100 bills, all in sequence, all brand new S100

bills; some electronic equipment. I Guess that is it.

WIr. DASn. Sergeant, could you shed any light—were you present

or do you have any knowledge of any check that was found on anyone of these defendants or notebooks that had the name, E. Howard

Hunt?

Sergeant LEEPER. I av~~ on the search team that went into room 214

of the Watergate Hotel. It was myself and Detective Robert I)ennellof our Department, Carl Shoffler, an agent from the Washingtonfield office of the FBI; and also one of the men from Alobile CAme,Don Cherry-, assisted us. At that time, it was called to my attention

that they did find a book with the name

WIr. DASH. Found what, sir?

Sergeant LEEPER. A small notebook, as you described it, with the

names that you had brought OLlt in it.

Arr. DASH. The name E. Howard Hunt? Is that the named

Sergeant LEEPER. I believe it saicl, "E. Hunt, W.H.", on it, sir.

Alr. DASH. Are you aware of fin(linc on the person of anV defendant

or anyone in the room any check that was signed bv AIr. Hunts

Sergeant LEEPER. No, sir, not to mv knowledge

Air. DASH. Dial you .10 anything else that evening or that morning

or the following dav with revm(l to the (lefemlants?

Sergeant I,EEPER. lVell, I was at the second distriet headquarters

when we began processing these men for court. I did not do actuall~~

nnv of the paperwork. Fire wel e nssiste(l bv some detectives, andOfficer Barrett staved on the scene out at the XVater(>nte. He. xvastrivia to get in tovich With somebo(lv from the Democratic NationalCommittee an(l later, Air. Stanlev Clreiaa came doxvn. He was broughtto the StiltiOII with Officer Barrett, at which time, he was shoxvn thefiX-e (lefentltlllts to see if thev ha(l tlllV right to be in the buil(tin~~, bein that area, the sixth door, at XVhicIl tinle he stated then Lid not.

tar. DASH. At the time of the arrest, Lid vou notice whether anv

of those persons npprellell(le(l were emplo!-e(l or ha(l an!- relationship

with the Comlllittee for the Reselection of the President'?

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2.1 PAUL LEEPER TESTIMONY. MAY 17. 1973. 1 SSC96. 105-08

Sergeant LEEPER. No, sir.

lSIr. DASH. Did you learn at any time that any of them did?

Sergeant LEEPER. NVell, after it hit the wire services and the press

started DiCkins! it ED, yes, sir.

Mr. DASH. YOU learned it from the press?


Mr. DASH. I have no further questions.

Did you find any money on any of the indivduals that were

apprehended?

Sergeant LEEPER. Yes, sir, we found quite a bit of monev—well,

not quite a bit. I would say about $3,600, all in $100 bills, all in the

same sequence.

Mr. DASH. Was it $3,600?

Sergeant LEEPER I could give you a close estimate, like—

Mr. DASH. Would you leave the chart now and go back to the table?

Now, would you refer to your records and give US a more specific

statement as to the amount of money you found on any of the indi

viduals and also in the hotel room?

Sergeant LEEPER. Also, from the defendant, Edward Joseph

Hamilton, which would be Frank sturgis, was approximately $215 inbills. From the defendant Frank Carter, which would be BernardBarker, was approximately $230 in bills, two of which xvere $100 bills,

and also sturgis, two of the $250 he had was in $100 bills.

From the defendant Jean Valdez was $814 in bills, seven of which

were $100 bills.

Mr. DASH. Who is Valdez?

Sergeant LEEPER. That would be Martinez, Eugenio Martinez.

Mr. DASH. From Earl Godoyn was $230 in bills, He would be his

real name would be Virgilio Gonzalez, was $230 in bills, two of which

were $100 bills.

From Mr. McCord, using the alias of Edward Joseph Warren,

no money was found on him.

Sir. DASH. Are you acquainted with how much money was found in

the room, when the room svas searched in the hotel, the apartment in

Watergate?

Sergeant LEEPER. ~~ı'es, sir, there was 83,566.58. There was four

packs of brandnew $100 bills, eight in a pack, so it vould be $3,200 in

$100 bills, all in the same sequence.

NIr. DASH. Did you or someone make a record of the serial numbers

of those bills?

Sergeant LEEPER, Yes, sir, the Mobile Crime, vs-hich was Don

Cherry, was on the scene with us.

Air. DASH. Would you provide the committee with a list if we do

not already have it of those numbers? It is not necessarv to read them

at this point in the record.


[The list of serial numbers on $100 bills requested of the witness

folloxvs :]

C 03642257 A through C 03642264 A.

F 024,57423 A through F 024.;7430 A.

F 02457433 A through F 024.57440 A.

F 024.;7503 A through F 024.57.510 A.

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2.2 VERNON WALTERS MEMORANDUM, JULY 7, 1972, SSCEXHIBIT NO. 143,

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EXHIBIT No. 143

CENTftAL INTEL!_It;EitCE AGENCY

WASHINGTO.M, n.c. ~~0so5

7 July 1972

MEMORANDUM FOR: The Acting Director

Federal Bureau of Investigation

SU BJECT

: E^rcrcttc llowar(1 Stunt, Jr.

Is This memorandum is forvvar(!cd in connection With our memoranduln of S July on Subject in response to your request of . 30 June 197Z for information as to

any other aliases or'documentation issued Subject by this Agency.

2. During July and August 1971, Subject svas issued two sets of alias documentation in the flames of George F. Leonard and Edward Joseph Warren. Details of

these documcllt5 are available if desired, but no s,ignaturC cxc!-nplars arc available. He was also provided certain other operational support items. We undarstood that these

were to be used in connection with attenlpts to ascertain the facts of cases of docunlent leaks. These matters were not in any way connected to Agc:lcy operations buAvere

supplied insresponsc to a duly authorizer extra-Asency request. This assistance was terminated xvhell S~~~~bject's requests escalated beyond appropriate limits. No further

support was extended to Subject after August 1971.

3. This information is being provided in confidence and should not be disseminated outside your Bureau. Please refer any further correspondence on this

mattcWto me.

since rely,

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LSENSleis. : vi3vi;Cr'S

A N 3 I*: ' i t.; . ... /nt a • 3 S E i. ER . I

Vernon A. Walters

Licutenant General, USA

Acting Director_ _ _ _-

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UNITED S'l'A'IES DISTRICT COURT J/d,l-, 'r. CA'.'LK, L'ler'~.I:'OR '1lll. Dl:S'rRI(:'S ()t: COI.Ut'lCFt

llol.cling a Criminal Term

_ Crane .Jtlry Sworn in on atone S. 1972

| Tl~e United States of America

v.

Ceorge Cordon biddy, also known as: Cordon biddy andGeorge F. Leonard

Everette Howard Hunt, Jr., also known as: HowardHunt,

James W. McCord, Jr.,

Edward L. Warren and Edward .TFlamilton

Edward J. Martin

Bernard L. Barker, also known as: Frank or Fran CarterEugenic R. Martinez, also known as: Gene or Jene ValdesFrank A. Sturgis, also known as:Frank Angelo Fiorini, Edward J.

Hamilton, and Joseph DiAlberto or D 'AlbertoVirgilio R. Gonzalez, also known as: Raul or Raoul Godoy or

Goboy

LThe Grand Jury charges:

FIRST COUNT:

: Criminal No. 1 i) ) ,_/,2

: Crand Jury Original

Violation: 18 U.S. Ccf -371, 251122 D.C. Code1801 (b),23 D. C. Code543 (a)

(Conspiracy; Interception of Oral and WireCor.~imunica tions; Second DegreeBurglary; Unlawful

Devices)

responsible for conducting the affairs of the Democratic Party of the tJnited States.

2. At all times material hereto the Democratic National

Committee had its offices and headquarters at 2600 Virginia

Aventle, N.IST., Washington, D C.

3. At all times material hereto George Gordon Liddy,

also known as Gordon Liddy and George F. Leonard and hereillaftcr referred to is defendant I.iddy, leas

employed as cotlusel for the l inance C(llllmittee to l'c-l'iect the President located at

1701 Pennsylvania /\ventle, N.l.'., W.lsllillgton, D.C.

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A). 4 UNITED[TED STATES A. LIDDY INDICTMENT?~~ SEPTEMBER 15~~ 197;'] b 1,5,6

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2. On or about May 5, 1972, and continuing through

about Flay 28, 1972, Room 419 at the Howard Johnson's

Motor Lodge, located at 2601 Virginia Avenue, N W.,

Washington, D.C. was rented or leased by the defendant

McCord in the name of McCord Associates.

3. On or about May 8, 1972, the defendant Liddy

made a telephone call from the District of Columbia to

the defendant Barker at Barker Associates, Inc.

4. On or about May 10, 1972, in Rockville,

Maryland, the defendant McCord purchased a Receiving

System for McCord Associates, Inc., for which he paid

$3,500 in cash, a device capable of receiving intercepted

wire and oral communications.

5. On or about May 17, 1972, the defendant Barker made two

telephone calls from Barker Associates, Inc. to the defendant

Liddy at the Finance Committee to Re-Elect the President and two

calls to the defendant Hunt within the District of Columbia

6. On or about May 19, 1972, the defendant Hunt made

one telephone call from the District of Columbia to the

defendant Barker at Barker Associates, Inc. and one

telephone call from the District of Columbia to the

defendant Barker at his residence.

7 On or about May 22, 1972, the defendant Barker using

the alias of Fran Carter, the defendant Martinez -using the

alias of G. Valdes, the defendant Sturgis -using the alias of

Joseph DiAlberti, and the defendant Gonzalez -using the alias

of Raul Goboy, traveled from Miami, Florida, to Washington,

D.(:.

8. On flay 2(), l972, the defendant Liddy -using the

al;.ls of George F. Leonard, t:he defendant Hunt -- using

the

alias; of Edward f. Warren, t:he defendant Barker -using the

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2. 4 UNITED STATES v. LIDDY INDICTMENT, SEPTEMBER 15, 1972, 1, S. 6

L—6— alias of I Frank Carter, the defendant Martinez

-- using the a alias of Gene Valdes, the defendant Sturgis -- using the alias Joseph

D'Alberti, and the defendant Gonzalez -- using the alias Raul Godoy, registered at the

Watergate Hotel at 2650 Virginia Avenue, N.W., Washington, D C.

9. On or about May 96> 1972?, within the District of Columbia, the

defendants Liddy, Hunt and McCord met.

10. On or about May 27, 1972, within the District of Columbia, the

defendants Liddy, Hunt, and McCord inspected, surveyed, and reconnoitered the

headquarters of Senator George McGovern at 410 First Street, S.E.

11. On or about May 29, 1972, and cont inuing through June 17, 1972,

Room 723 at the Howard Johnson's Motor Lodge, located at 2601 Virginia

Avenue,N.W Washington, D.C. was rented and leased -by the defendant McCord in t h e

name of McCord Associates.

12. On or about June 5, 1972, the defendant Hunt made a telephone call from

within the District of Columbia to the defendant Barker at Barker Associates, Inc.

13. On or about June 11-15, 1972, within the District of Columbia, the

defendants Liddy, Hunt and McCord met and the defendant Liddy gave the defendant

McCord about $1,600 in ca sh .

14. On or about June 12, 1972, in Miami, Florida, the defendants Martinez and

Sturgis purchased surgical gloves.

l5. On or about June 13, 1972, and June 15, 1972, in Miami, Florida, the

defendant Martinez purchased film and other photographic equipment

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The below listed property recovered on Search Warrant by Detective RobertDenell, CID in room #214 of the Watergate Hotel on 6-17-72 and turned over-to Technician Larry Muncy of the Mobile Crime Laboratory 6-20-72 at 0815 hrs.

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One black with white metal trim CSamsonite" attache case.

(The attache case contained the following:)

One brown and yellow metal "bates" list finder, model K, with :"P CDonnie Martinez, Co B. 2nd Tank Battallion, Force Troops, CampLejeune, North Carolina, 28542" written inside the top of the finder.(This item is known as a pop-up telephone directory.)

One "1972 Realty Bluebook" with torn out page from desk calendar insame. Calendar page dated Monday, August 23rd and Tuesday August 24th,l971. On the August 23rd side is written: "2514 N.W. 122 St."

One green with yellow lettering "Expanded Payment Table for MonthlyMortsaxe Loans" with business card of "E. Rolando Martinez" attached toinside front cover.

A black vinyl address book with "L6M Mortgage Co.,6500 W.4th Ave Suite6, Hialeah, F'orida, 822-7520" imprinted on same. In the "Q" section ofshe book is a diagram of what appears to be a hotel lobby.

Black leather business card holder containing business cards of "a.Rolando Martinez" and other subjects.

U.S, Airmail Postage stamp holder with" six 11 cent Airmail stamps 6 six2 cent stamps in same.

A envelope from "Real Estate Dir.9R-.ories" addressed to: "Judd Realtyof Miami", containing real estate listings of the Miami area that arefor sale.

Envelope containing legal seperat-lon papers of Eugenio RolandoMartinez and Jean Marie Moleski DeGregorio Martinez. "Case 729254-J.W.Kehoe" ( papers had not been signed but was to appear before JudgeJ.W. Kehoe of Dade County,Fla., June 27, 1972)

W ~~,'~~easKS#ign~~~~ute of RoviewinS Olllci~~l

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BELOW ARE THE RESULTS OF THE EXAMINATIONS CONDUCTED BY THE IDENTiFICATIOX SECTION

FROM THE TOP DRAPER OF DRESSER AT LEFT OF DOOR FROM ROOM 214

#262 A check in/ Carter, IN and signed by Frank

Carter.

#263

#264~~ .

receipt for the Watergate Hotel for room 214 in name ofF. 6/16, OUT 6/19, Firm Ameritas, 955 SW First, Miami,Fla.

A check in receipt for the Watergate Hotel for room 214 in name onJ. valdezX IN 6/16, OUT 6/19, Firm Ameritas, 955 Sir First, Miami,Fla. and signed.

A black or dark blue small book with "Addresses Telephones" in yellowlettering on front and on the first page "Bernard L. Barker, 5229 BAN4th Street, Miami, Fla. 33126,- Office Barker Associated Inc. 2301 ME

7 St., Suites F 6 G. Miami, Fla. 33125", book contains various names,addresses and telephone numbers.

I H . .<\ #265 A torn out piece of white lined paper headed "Addresses" with name0 % x ~ "Carole Frohman, 865-0255".

|#266 A black plastic folder containing (7) seven business cards in name of! ~~ Bernard L. Barker, G.R.I, Realtor.

| ~2~ 2 < A business card from E. Rolando Martinez, Associate of Barker AssociatesGil Inc., Realtors.I \+

#268 wA Sears Easy Payment Account Card 845 42313 76571 5 in name ofMr. Bernard L. Barker, 5229 NW 4th St., Miami, Fla. 33126.

1 #269, A social security card #213-07-0844 in name of Bernard Leon Barker

j >!#270 A-Florida Operators License fiB62609217097709A in the name of Bernard~~-. 81 '' Leop Barker

-| < #271 > AwSears Credit Card #45 91613 78290 4 in name of Mr. Bernard L. Barker.

_ kj.22 ~ An American Express Credit Card, number 047 252 328 1 800AX in theeI an- name of Bernard L. Barker, Barker Associates Incr.: an

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#273t A~standard Chevron National Travel Credit Card, number 110 319 2504 in name of~Bernard L. Barker.

#274 'A Texaco Travel Credit Card, #19 414 3802 8 in the name of B L Barker.

#275_ A Shell Credit Card, number 984 135 004 in name of B L Barker.

~=y g ~7mm— t 1Pg yang Ale Z tt|L ! W C y

Signaturo of Rtw~Fe—inS Ollicial S~~n-tu of Tochnielow AsaiSnarJ

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Democratic National Committee | Watergate/2600 Va. Ave. tIWA.OFFENSE S. DATE OF OF F E NSE | 6. U C S NO . 7.C.C.R. NO.

Burglary II 6/17/72 | 12830316-832

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#276b,A-Phillips 66 Credit Card, number 625 704 761 0 in name of BernardL. Barker.

#2 X A white envelope addressed to Lakewood Country Club, 13901 Glen Mill Rd.,Rockville, Md. 20850 containing a check with imprinted name E. HowardHunt, check No. 415 payable to Lakewood Country Club, dated June 11,1972 for the amount of $6.36, signed by E. Howard Hunt, drawn on theFirst National Bank of Washington, account number 080 174 7 and astatement from the Lakewood Country Club, phone 762-5430, 13901 Glen -Mill Road, Rockville, Md. 20850, addressed to E. Howard Hunt, C/OWeybright 6 Talley, 750 Third Ave., New York, NY 10017, account number4374, statement number 287, amount enclosed $6.36, date 5/31/72.

J

] t 78 An Avis Map of Washington, DC and vicinity.

; X 279

FROM THE TOP OF THE DRESSER, ROOM 214

A Hertz Map of Baltimore, Washington and surrounding area.

FROM THE TOP OF THE COFFEE TABLE, ROOM 214

\i < A piece of yellow lined paper with "Carlo Neil-front Office Manager,338-3914-called 6/17/72-received last 6 month-unk-R".

$d e~t~<SgScan—turn ox Rovi sting Otl f el Al

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Z. 6 L. PATRICK GRAY TESTIMONY, AUGUST A, 1973, 9 SSC 3451

3451

assist him in his inquiry. I asked µr. Dean if he would i)e reportingdirectly to the President or through Mr. Haldeman or mr. Ehrlichman.He informed me that hew ould be reporting directly to the President.

At this meeting with M. Dean there was no discussion of whom wewere going to in te rv iews or where our leads might take theinvestigation. We did discuss the scheduling of White House interviewsthrough Mr. Dean and his sitting in on the interviews as counsel to thePresident.

On Thursday. June 29, 1972, after being briefed by Mr. CharlesWV. Bates, Assistant. Director, General Investigative Divisionsregarding the latest developments in the Watergate case and undoubtedlyas a result of information developed at that briefing I telephonedDirector Helms of the CIA. I told him of our thinking that we may bepoking into a CIA operation and asked if he could confirm or denythis. He said he had been meeting on this every day with his men, thatthey knew the people, that they could not figure it out but that therewas no CIA involvement.

I met again with Mr. Dean at 6 :30 p.m. the same day to againdiscuss the scheduling of interviews of White House staff personneland to arrange the scheduling of these interviews directly through theWashington field office rather than through FBI headquarters. At thismeeting I also discussed with him our very early theories of the case;namely, that the episode was either a CIA covert operation of somesort simply because some of the people involved had been CIA peoplein the past, or a CIA money chain, or a political money chain, or apure political operation, or a Cuban right wing operation, or acombination of any of these. I also told Mr. Dean that we were notzeroing in on any one theory at this time, or excluding any, but thatwe just could not see any clear reason for this burglary and attemptedintercept of communications operation.

I believe that it was at this meeting on June 22 that I told him of ourdiscovery of a bank account in the name of Bernard Barker who wasarrested in the Watergate burglary. and the fact that a $25,000 checkassociated with If Kenneth I)ahlberg and four checks drawn on aMexican bank payable to Manuel Ogarrio, in the total amount of$89,000, were deposited in the Barker account. I do not have a clearmemory of telling him about my telephone call earlier in the day toDirector Helms regarding the question of CIA involvement. It is likelythat I would have discussed the Helms call with him in connection withour discussion of the theories of the case, since Mr. Helms hadinformed me that there was no CIA s involvement.

On Friday, June 23 1972, Mr. Bates met with me again to brief meon recent developments. I telephoned Mr. Dean following my meetingwith Mr. Bates. I am quite certain that this call again involved theBarker bank account and the Ogarrio and Dahlberg checks. Either inthis call or in the meeting Of the preceding evening(r Mr. Dean firstraised with me the idea that if we persisted in our efforts to investigatethis Mexican money chain we could uncover or become involved inCIA operations I remember telling Mr. I)ean in one of these earlytelephone calls or meetings that the FBI was going to pursue all leadsaggressively unless we were told by the CIA V that there was a CIAinterest or involv ement in this case.

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2. 7 JOHN DES TESTIMONY, JUNE 25, 1973, 3 SSC 942-43

94'2

FIRST 3IEETIN-GS WITII LAIR. GRAY REG ~RDIN-G TlfE IN-VE9TIC VTION-

I believe that it lvas on June 21 that I first met with Grav in hisoffice in the late morning regarding the FT31 s inz-esti r;ttion. tt thatmeeting, he told me he fullv realized the sensitize n.tttlle of the inz-estigation the) vrere pursuing and that he had placz(l hiS roost trustedsenior people in charge of the investigation. I told Grav that I hatlbeen asked to be kept informed about the investi ration. Sir. Gravtold me that he lla(l been sisiting a nllllll)el of r(.rio:lal ollices andvould be doing so in the future. Thus. if I needed~an) information Ishould call AIr. Stark Felt in his absence. I might note at this pointthat indeed Gray avas frequently absent from the citv during thecourse of the investigation and this irritated Ellrlichman greatlvwhen he asked me to get information from Grad and Grav xvas outof the city On several occasions, in fact, Ehrlichman instrticted me totell Grav to return to the citv and mind the store. I passed thismessage to Grav, but I cannot recall what prompted Ehrlichman tohave me do so at this time.

During mv meeting with Gray on June )1 he also tolel me a manby the name of AIr. Bates vv as heading the investigation. I do notknow 3;fr. Bates, and vhen I reported this back to Ehrlichman andhe asked me who Bates lvas, I told him I clicl not know Bates. I canrecall on several occasions Ehrlichman askina me if I thought thatGray linesv what he svas doina and if he had the investigation undercontrol. l responded that he seemed to be relxing on men in whom hehad full trust.

To the best of my recollection, it vitas during this June _l meetingwith Gray that he informed me that the FBI had uncovered a numbelof major banking transactions that had transpired in the aceount ofone of the arrested Cubans—AIr. Earlier. He informed me that thevhad traced a $9a.000 check to a AIr. Kenneth Dahlberejr and fourehecl~-s totaling $iStJ,000 to a bank in Mexico Citv.

I do not recall whether I first learned about the I)alllber.a cheekfrom AIr. Gray or whether I learned about it in a meeting inAtitchell'3 office by reason of the fact that the FBI lvas trvint toeontaet Afr. Dahlberg about the matter and Dahlberfr had called Afr.Stans. Xt anv rate the fact that the FBI svas investicratinfr thesematters svas of utmost concern to Atr. Stans when he learned of it.S;tans eras concerned about the Dahll~el S cheek. T xvas informed leeallse it xvas in fact a contribution from Ak. Dlvavne -&ndreaswhom I did not lQnosv. but I rvas told rvas a lon(>time backer ofSenator Fflllxrt T[llmr)hrev. Neither Stans nor WIitehell wanted 3fr.tndreas to be embal rassed by disclosure of the contribution. Tileconcern about the :\tes-ieall monev was made a little less clear to me.I svas tolel it lvas a eontriStltioll from a group of Texans who hadused an intermediary in Atexieo to make the contribution. Vlthough Ihall not been told. I assumed at that time that thev lvere eoncerneAhoeallse it sanded to me as if it nliqllt have been a corporatecontribution and eleallv a violation of the lalv.

Afr. Stans also exl)laineA that he had eheekefl with KR1Oan to find outhonv this money had ended ul) ill Ar,-. narkPl-~shfllil; aeeollnt and Sloan reported that hehad Riven the elleel~-s to T,islAs- and re(lllesteA that lle cash them: Fre

said he had no idea hoxv rjiAfiv llaA cashed theme hilt surmised thathe had ohviollsl! used Barbel to cash theme I xvas also

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943

told—and I do not recall specifically who told me this—that thismoney had absolutely nothing to do vith the Watergate; it wasunrelated and it was merely a coincidence of fact that Liddv had use{lBarker to cash the checks and Liddy had returned the monev to Sloan.I lvas told that the investigation of this matter which appeared to beconnected with Watergate but wasn't, lvas unfounded and would merelvresul t in an unnecessary embarrassment to the contr ibutors .Xccordinalv Mitchell and Stans both asked me to see if there svasanvthing the White House could do to prevent this unnecessaryembarrassment. I, in turn related these facts to both Haldeman andEhrlichman. On June 24), at the request of Ehrlichman and HaldemanI event to see 3Ir. Gray at this office in the early eveninffl to discussthe Dahlberg and Mexican checks and determine ho v the FBI vvasproceeding with these matters. AIr. Grav told me that thev werepursuing it by seeking to interview the persons lvho had drawn thechecks.

It was dunng my meeting with ASr. Gray on June 22 that we alsotaked about his theories of the case as it svas beginning to unfold. Iremember avell that he drew a diagram for me showing his theories.it that time Mr. Gras had the following theories: It seas a setup job by adouble agent; it avas a CIA operation beeause of the number of formerCLX people involved; or it nvas someone in the reelection committeevho was responsible. Gray also had some other theories vhich hediseossed, but I do not recall them now, but I do remember that thoseI have mentioned vere his primary theories.

Before the meeting ended, I recall that Gray and I again had a briefdiscussion of the problems of an investigation in the White House.Gray expressed his awareness of the Potential problems of sneh aninvestigation and also told me that if I needed any information Ishould call either Stark Felt or himself. Gray a] o informed me that hevas going to meet vith the CI t to discuss their possible inz-olvementand he would let me kno v the outcome of that meeting.

On June 23 I reported m,v conversation with (bras of the precedingevening to Ehrlichman and Halcleman. We discussed the Dahlberg andthe Mexican checks and the fact that the FBI was looking for answersregarding these checks. I had the impression that either Ehrlichman orHaldeman might have had a conversation lvith someone else about thismatter but this svas mere speculation on my pal at that time.

Within the first days of my ins-ok-ement in the col-erup a patternhad developed where I Novas carrvine messages from Mitchell Stans,and Atardian to Ehrlichman and Haldeman—and viee velEa—abouthoxv each quarter xvas handling the covertlp and relevant informationas to what svas occurring I lvas also reporting to them all theinformation I avas receiving about the ease from the Just iceDepartment and the FBI. I checked with Haldeman and Ehrlichmanbefore I dial anvtllint . One of the few sets of early documentsevidencing this m-orlsint, relationship with Elaldemall and Ehrlichmanrelates to responding to Larrv O Brien's letter of June :>4 to thePresident re(luestin~~ the anointment of a special l)roseclltor. I havesubmitted these doetlinents to the committee

[The documents refelle(l to were marked exhibit No. :3W1W.*]

oSee p. 1161.

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To 2.8 HUGH SLOAN TESTIMONY, JUNE 6, 1973, 2 SSC 575-76

575

Mr. SLOAN. I know Texas, but whether it was just restricted toTexas, I am not sure.Senator ERVIN. YOU do not know from your Olson knowledge, ofcourse, whether they came from fund raising or whether they camefrom correspondence?1Nlr~ SLO.s);. AS I recall, all the checks were individual checks Thecash funds—I might explain. There was a listing in the briefcase, thetotal amount which equaled the total amount in the briefcase. Individ-ual names were associated with each of those items.Senator ERVIN. there any checks brought at that time in additionto these four Mexican checks?AIr. SLO.&N-. Oh, Ves,

Senator ERVIN. I thought that the rest was in cash. lVas I mistakenin that?WIr. SLO.x5T. Yes, sir. I think a large proportion of it was in personalchecks from contributors.Senator ERVIN. I would like to hand you a check that purports tobe drawn on the First Bank and Trust Co. of Boca Raton, a cashier'scheck, to the order of Kenneth H. Dahlberg.* I hand that to you andask if you can identify that?Mr. SLOAN. Yes, sir; that appears to be accurate.Senator ERVIX. When did that check reach the office of the Com-mittee To Re-Elect the President?Mr. SLOAN. I did not know when Secretary Stans received it. Ibelieve he turned it over to me sometime in the week following April 5 .Senator Eraser. This check was not dated, this cashier's check wasnot dated until April l0, 1972, 3 days after the new law •vent intoeffect.Mr. SLOAN. Secretary Stans, in giving that check to me, told me itrepresented pre-April 7 funds.Senator ERVIN. The committee proceeded upon the advice of Stir.Liddy to the effect that if somebody promised them money beforeApril 7, or they had agreed to make a disbursement before April 7,that that did not have to be reported—is that so?Mr. SLOAN. I believe that is correct, Senator.Senator ERVIN. Atow, what happened to these four Mexicanchecks-Mr. SLOAN. Senator, excuse me. In response to that other question,presumably, NIr. Liddy gave his advice to Secretary Stans. He did notspecifically give that advice to me. It was represented that way to meby Secretary StansSenator ERVIN. In other words, iV[r. Stans told you that WIr.Dahlberg's check had been received somewhere under some cir-cumstances by somebody before April 7, and, therefore, even though ithad not reached the committee or and person authorized to receivefunds on behalf of the committee, that it was received before April 7?bIr. SLOAN. NIv understanding was that Atr. Kenneth Dahlbergwho was an authorized representative of the committee, had receivedit from Afr. Dsva~ne Andreas. As to the exact circumstance of that ar-rangerment, I do IlOt know

r Senator ERVIN. Were not the four Mexican checks and the Dahl-I berg check deposited in a bank in Miami, Fla.?

• The document referred to XV:lS later marked exhibit No. 2a on p, 631.

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576

A:[r. SLOAN. That is what I understood happened to them,Senator. It was certainly not under my instructions.

Senator ERVIN. Can you explain to the committee why the checkswere transmitted from Washington to Miami and deposited in a bankin Miami to the credit of Bernard L. Barker?

Ask. SLOAN. I have no idea, Senator.Senator ERVIN. WOU1d YOU not infer from those circumstances

that somebody that had something to do with the checks did not vantanybody to know about receiving the checks and wanted to hidethem?

Mr. SLOAN. Senator, my understanding when I received themwas a judgment had been made that they were pre-April 7contributions and, therefore, were not required to be reported. I didturn them over to N[r. Liddy to have them converted to cash. Hehandled them from there. NVhy he gave them to Or. Barker, I haveno idea.

Senator ERVIN. Well, even though they did not have to bereported, can y ou inform us why, instead of being put in the safe inthe committee office, whv they were sent down to Florida?

Mr. SLOAN. I do not know why they went to Florida, Senator.The reason for the conversion of those checks to cash was to attemptto comply with the spirit of the old law of distributing an individual'scontribution in $3,000 increments among pre-April 7 committees.But as those bank accounts had been closed out, the only way to dothis was by converting it to cash and counting that cash as a transferas cash on hand in the WIedia Committee To Re-Elect the President.It was reported in that figure.

Senator ERRING. I am a little mystified. How could it comply withthe old law with reference to the receipt of $3,000 or less in cash byhaving $114,000 deposited in the bank account of Bernard L. Barkerin Miami, Fla.?

Mr . S L O A N . Senator, I do not know any circumstancessurrounding the deposit of the checks in Mr. Barker's account. Thatwas not my intent in turning those checks over to Mr. Liddy.

Senator ERVIN. Who instructed you to turn them over to WIr.Liddy?

Mr. SLOAN. I believe I took them to Mr. Liddy in response to theconversation of Secretary Stans. He asked me, do we have anyproblem in handling these? I told him I did not know; I would checkwith counsel. His recommended way of handling this was adiversion to cash. He offered at that time to handle that transactionfor me. It took him until mid-May to return those funds to me in cashform, minus roughly $2,600 expenditure.

Senator ERVIN. I hate to make comparisons, but I would have tosay on that, Mr. Liddy in one respect was like the Lord, he moves inmysterious ways his wonders to perform. [Laughter.]

Norv, as a matter of fact, do you not know that some of the fundsthat were drawn out, that represented proceeds of these checks whichwere drawn out of the Miami bank on Stir. Barker, were found in thepossession of some of the people who were caught in the burglarv atthe Watergate?

Air. SLOAN. I have since learned that; yes, sir.Senator ERVIN. How long was it after the break-in before you

learned that?AIr. SLOAN. I believe not that specific reference, but the fact that

these men had been found with $100 bills in their possession cameout

3. At approximately 8:00 a.m. on the morning of thearrests,

Henry Petersen, the Assistant Attorney General in chargeof the

Criminal Division of the Justice Department, telephonedAttorney

General Richard Kleindienst at home to tell him of thearrests at

the DNCheadquarters.

............................................ Page3.1 Henry Petersen testimony, 9 SSC 3611-12....102

3.2 Richard Kleindienst testimony, 9 SSC356G...... 104

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? 7 HENRY PETF.RSF.tN TF.~STT#ONY, AUGUST 7, 1973, 9 SSC3611-12

_tETERXOOX SESSION-, TE-ESI).\Y, -tUtsUST 7, 19 1 as

Senatol ERVly-e The committee will come to order.Counsel avid call the fil'St •vitness.3tr. I)asl[. ATr. Henrs E. Petersell.

Senator IER~-tx. AIt. Petersen, will you stand llp and raise vour righthand? Do tou swear that the evidence )'Otl shall give to the SenateSelect Committee on Presidential Champaign Activities shall be the

truth, the whole tlitlt}l, and nothing but the truth, so help J'OU God 7

Kerr. PETERSE.V. I do, Sit'.

Senatol F4,R\~X. YOU might state youl name and occupation andresidence for the record.

TESTIMONY 0E HENRY E. PETERSEN, ASSISTANT ATTORNEY GENE

ERAL, CRIMINAL DRISION, U.S. DEPARTMENT 0F JUSTICE

ri Ir. PE'rERtSEN. ELI) name is Hent y E. Petersen. I am Assistant Attorney Genelal in the C:rimillal

Divisions U.S. Department of Justice. I reside stt 916 I)aleview l)l is e, Silver Sl)l ing, Md.

Senator FJRVtA-. Counsel will interrogate the witness.Mr. DASH. 3rr. Petersen, how lonffl have you been Assistant .-tttornev General in chalge of the Criminal

Division, Chief of the Criminal Din ision ?

Mr. PETERSEN-. January 19/ 2, I belies-e.art. I).ssll. and prior to that appointment, Air. Petersen. what position did 5 ou hold in the Department of

Justice ?

Ml. PETERSEN-, Immediatelv priol to tllet r was -tetin(r Assistant Attorney Genelal for the period October19s1 to.Janual) 1992. Prior to tllat, Ml-. I)ash. I was Deputy Assistant .-tttorneV General in the CriminalDivision.

NIr. Dash. When actually did you filEt join the Department of Justice, Criminal Division ?Ml. PETERSEN-. I first joined the Department of Justice in 194{. I joined the (?riminal Division in, I think

it was Tulle 19a1.Air. D.vslr. How and •vllen did you filEt lealn of the brealc-in of the Democratic National Committee

head(lualtels at the Watergate 011 Tulle 1T,1979?

Aft. PETERSEN-. Approximately 8. 9 o'clock in the morning vhile I was at the breakfast table. I received a

call from the IJ.S. -tttorne~Harold Titus of the District of Columbia lvho advised me that five people whose

identities es en at that point were somewhat in doubt, had been arrested at Democratic national headqtlaltels in

possession of what was consider ed to l)e at that time explosis e equi£)nlellt.

Ml-. D vsir. I)id VOll follow up on this call '?

Mr. PETERSEN-. At that point I called the Attornev General at his home and told him about it, primarilybecause I did not know what the seculity arrangements wele at the Republican National Commit

tee To Re-Elect the President, whatever political office they had, and

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if indeed persons had intentions of trying to demolish the Democraticheadquarters I t l lou^,l l t the salne might be in of l i l l t , for thellel)ul)lican headquarters and I thought he ought to be forewarned.

Or. DASH. Well , hoxv soon did an investigation under thesponsorsllip of the Department of Justice begin in this case ?

ALr. PETERSEN. Investigation was underway at that times Fir.Titus' staff had already been alerted and he had assistants working onthe matter at that point with the Metropolitan Police Department andthe } BI who revere just coming into it.

Mr. DASH. Now, what role as Chief of the Criminal Division didyou play with regard to the U.S. Attorney's Office investigation ?

Mr. PETERSEN. A general supervisory role, hIr. Dash. One of theearly questions I had to decide was the degree of supervision thatshould be involved and since we knew at the close of Saturday, JuneIT, that what ave had thou rht to be explosive devices xvere electroniclistening devices, and that an individual named E. Howard Hunt waspossibly implicated as a result of the fact that some of his cheeks orsome information relating to him had been found at the scene, thatthere were immense political repercussions possible. And I decided at avery early stage that that investigation ought to be as isolated from thepolitical element as it could possibly be. And I suggested that 3tr. Titusappoint as principal assistant, Earl Sill~ert. to conduct the investigationin his office and report to AIr. Titus and to mussels on a daily basis,oral reports on a daily basis.

Mr. DASH. What avas your relationship with the Federal Bureauof Investigation during the investigation? Did you get anJr kind ofreportingr from the FBI ?

Mr. PETF.RSEN-. Well, the FBI, of course, reported—their reportsto the prosecutors ZIr. Silbert and company, lvere more immediatethan their reports to me. Their reports to me had to wait the normalprocess of bureancracvs the preparation of the reports and thesubmission through normal channels, whereas the prosecutor on thescene was vetting the witness statements almost immediately but thereports Here coming over to me rather slowly at first, very slowly As amatter of fact, when the publicity developed, with the coozpel ation ofInspector Pialdavin I did not have statements in my office. I had to callthe Bureau and ask them to send it offer. They sent a whole packageof reports at that time.

Mr. DASH. Was this slow reporting to you or did the prosecutors,the U.S. -tttornev's Office. have that report ?

Sir. PErERsEs Shell, they had the 30a, ves. It vas justMr. DASH. Ernst hoav it came up to ~-ollr office as Chief of the

Criminal Division.Mr. PETERSEN-. That is correct. I lvas hearing about it from :\Tr.

Silbert.31X. T)sSTw. Noxv shortly aftel the hreak-in. do Void recall

receivin r a telephone eall from Btr. Itleindienst echo ons at theBurning Tree Conntrv Club?

Fir. PE1F.RSEN-. 31I. Tvleindienst and I commlmieated three timeson Satllrclav Tmle 11>. The first call I placed applonsimatelv at c,o'clock in the niornin r. Tlle second call I lvas about to place when—indeed. if I had not heal cl his testimony or had discussed it svith him.I lvollld have said I placed the second call Inlt he tells me he did. butin anx

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3. 2 RICHARD KLEINDIEWST TESTIMONY, AUGUST 6~ 1973) 9SSC 3560

TESTIMONY OF RICHARD G. KEINDIENST, FORMER ATTORNEY

GENERAL

WIr. ILLEINDEN-ST. Mr. Chairman, my name is Richard G. Iileindienst. My address is 8464 Portland Place,3IcLean, Ma.

I do not have a prepared statement, AIr. Chairman. I am here voluntarily to provide to you, the members of the

committee, and the counsel, whatever information that I have and'xvhich you deem to be relevant to your

investigation.

3Ir. DASH. Mr. Chairman, 3Ir. David Dorsen, assistant chief counsel, will open the questions.

Mr. DORSEN. Fir. Kleindienst, am I correct that you are presently engaged in the private practice of law ?

Mr. KLEINDIEN-ST. Yes, sir. After I left the Department of Justice I opened up an office in Washington, D.C.,and I am a private practitioner by myself.

Mr. DORSEN. And you resigned as Attorney General as of Xpril 30, 1973?

Fir. KLEINDIEN8T. I believe that it was April 30; yes, sir. Effective upon the qualification and appointment of

my successor.

ZIr. DORSEN. Could you please summarize for us briefly your background, especially with respect toyour positions with the U.S. Government 2

Mr. IILEINDIENST. I have only had t~vo positions faith the U.S. Government. That •vas the position of DeputyAttorney General of the United states, a position that I believe that I avas—commenced around February196D, and the other position that I have had with the U.S. Government is the Attorney General of the Unitedstates, a position that I commenced on or about June 8,1972.

WIr. DORSEN-. AVhen for the first time did you learn that there was electronic surveillance of the Democratic

National Committee headquarters at the Watergate ?

WIr. IILEINDIENST. I learned i t for the f irst t ime after June 17 when the individuals who were at theheadquarters were arrested. I don't knoxv whether I learned of the electronic surveillance on Saturday, June17, or sometime in the early part of the next weeks

Mr. DORSEN. But on June 17 you were notified of the fact that there had been a break-ins

Mr. KLEI?FDIENST. At approximately 8 o'clock in the morning as Assistant =-tttorlley General Henry Petersen of theCriminal Divlsion of the Department of Justice called me at my home and indicated to me that there had been a break-in at the Democratic national hendquarters at the AlTaterfflate Hotel. All the information that he had at that time was that there

was a break-in and I believe he said to me it _ looks like it miSlt have been a bombing case.

The next knowledge of any kind that I had with respect to it came, oh, approximately 31H2 hours after that

when I met with Atr. Gordon Liddy and 3Ir. Powell Moore in a section of lockers at the Burnin

Tree Clubs lvhicll is a golf club in A\'nsllillt,toll, I).C.

SIr. DORSEN-. How did that come about, 3rr. Ivleindienst?

Fir. IILEIN-DIEN'ST. The reason I lvas at the Burning Tree Club, they had their nnlltlal melllber-tmtlest golftournalllellt in ~VIliCII I was a

participant. I think I was scheduled to tee off for the Saturday rottr.td

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4. On the morning of June 17, 1972 Gordon Liddy telephonedJeb

Magruder, Chief of Staff to John Mitchell at CRP, at theBeverly Hills

Hotel in California. Magruder returned Liddy's call from apay tele

phone. Liddy advised Magruder of the arrests at the DNC

headquarters. Shortly thereafter, Magruder met with John

Mitchell, the Campaign

Director of CRP, and Fred LaRue, Mitchell's Special

Assistant at CRP, at the hotel. There was discussion

regarding somebody's contacting

Attorney General Richard Kleindienst concerning thearrests at

the DNC headquarters. Later that day, Liddy and Powell Moore,

an official at CRP, met with Attorney General Kleindienst at

the Burning Tree Club near Washington, D. C. Liddy told

Kleindienst that Mitchell had asked him to give Kleindienst a

report on the break-in at the DNC head

quarters and that some of the persons arrested might beemployed by

either the White House or CRP. Kleindienst called HenryPetersen

and instructed him not to give special treatment to those

arrested at the Watergate. Kleindienst told Liddy to leave

the premises.

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4.6 Robert Mardian testimony, 6 SSC 2352-53 .... 114

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as I recall I only had one copy of these documents. As I recall, he did come over and look over thedocuments and indicate to me the lack of substance to the docurnents.

Mr. DASH. Noxv, in fact, AIr. Magruder, 3Ir. Liddy, 31r. Hunt, and othels did go into another break-in of

the Democratic National Committee headquarters in the early morning hours of June 17, 1972. Where xvere

you when this occurred ?

lair. MAGRUDER. J nvas in Los ltngeles, Calif.

Mr. DASH. Were you aware that this break-in was to take place?

tIr. A5'IAGR~ER. No.

Mr. DASH. With whom were you in California?Mr. AL~GR~ER. I was with fir. Mitchell, Mr. LaRue, Atr. Porter, AIr. Atardian; and Eve had a number of

political activities in California that weekend.

>Atr. DASH. A5That took place in Los Angeles when you filSt learned about the breali-in?Nvlr. WIAGR~ER. Well, I svaS at breakfast at the Beverly Hilts Hotel. There were a number of us,

probably 8 or go o-.c us at breakfast; I received a call from Mr. Liddy and he indicated to me I should fflet to a

secure phone, and I indicated to him there was no way I can get to a secure phone at this time. He indicated

there had been a problem the night before. I said well, what kind of a problenl 01' something of that type, and

he indicated that our security chief had been arrested at the Watergate, and I said you mean Mr. McCord, and

he said yes. I think I blanched to say the least, and said, I M7ill call J-OU back immediately on a pay phone

to get more detail," and I did that. I Event to a pav phone and called him back, and he gave me more detail

which lvas simply that the five people had been apprehended at the Watergate, and that Mr. McCord was

among the five.

Mr. DASEI. Now, did J OR report. that bacli to anybody '?3Ir. MAGRUDER. Yes, I fil St talked with Mr. LaRue and indicated the problem, and Mr. LaRue then

talked to Mr. Mitcllell, and then AI[r. Mitchell and 3Ir. LaRue and I discussed it attain together. AsTe lone v

that Ml. Mardian who novas thele vas a closer friend of 3Ir. Liddv's than ant of us, and AIr. Mitchell asked

Ml: Mar(lian to call Ak. Licld) and ask him to see the AttorneV Generalt the current Attorney General. Mr. If

leindienst, and see if thele •vas any possibility that Ml. McCorcl could be released from jail.

Mr. D.vsll. Do you know vhat havened as a lestllt of that call ?

Ml. M\CR~ER. M,) understanding is that thev Event out to the Bulnint, Tree Country Club, vhere M,.IQleindienst lvaS plaving golf. and Mr. Itleindienst rebuffed Mr. Liddy and AIr. Poxvell Moorer who svaswith him.

Mr. DASH. Ml . AlcCord xvas not released ?

Mr. M. GR~)ER. lSo, he xvas clot.

Mr. DASH. Did you call Nil. Reisllel or 3[1'. Odle from California'?Mr. 3IAGRUDER. Yes. later that days We had nulllelotls conversations that day. We xvere tryina to come

"I' xvith a statenlellt that Ml. Mitchell COUh1 make if lle was asked in a pressconference, and later release that statement. I discussed with Air. Iveisner the lle(~cl to tal;ecertain files ftom my office. bare revere concellle(l al)out the l)teal;-in front out OWE standpoint because of Ml.ArCCoId~ Fire could not utl(lel-stalld wllv

WIG . WIcCord was ins opted in the situation and Eve thought that mavl)e~

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Mr. LARUE. Yes, sir, I raised the question and speculated with hIr. ' Mavruder on several occasions as tohow this came about.

WIr. DAser. Well, then, it is not true that you did not talk to him until March or Aplil but that youdiscussed this actually during the months of June, July, or August 1972 ?

Mr. LARUE. After the break-in, yes, sir.Mr. DASH. And what did WIr. Magruder sav to yotl when you discussed this with him about his role 01

his participation in the breal;-in ?

Mr. LARGE. Mr. Magruder's conversations vith me revere resected in his testimony up here. He told mevirtually—told me the same thing that he testified to before this committee as to his role in the break-in.

Mr. DASH. In other words, he made a complete confession to you ?Mr. LARGE. Yes, sir.Mr. DASH. Do you know when mas the first time he did that? Approximately ? I do not want to push

vou to a date.

Mr. LARtTE. I have no specific recollection of dates, Mr. Dash, but I would say in the period of a week or10 days after the breal;-in.

Mr. DASH. And did he not, l!tIr. LaRue, tell vou about a phone call that he received from bIr. Colsonconcerning the so-called Liddy plan ?

Mr. LARGE. Yes, sir.Mr. DASH. Could you tell us what he told you about that phone call w

Mr. LARGE. As I recall, Mr. Dash, this conversation occurred as a result of speculation that Magruder andI lvere having on who may be involved or who may have had knowledge of the lVaterfrate brenk-in. He toldme that he had had a call from Mr. Colson, I think sometime in the period of March or April, in which Mr.Colson had asked Mr. Magruder why thev could not get an approval on the LiddV budget.

Mr. DASH. Did he tell you then or remind you that he understood that you vere present at his side, in theroom, when he received the phone call from Mr. Colson ?

Mr. LARGE. I do not recall any such discussion, no, sir.

Mr. DASH. You know of his testimony before this committee, in which he has testified that you were inthe room ?

Mr. LARUE. Yes, sir, I am aware of that. WIy recollection is as I have just stated.Air. DASH. Novv-, when you state that AIr. Magruder told you es-ervthing, it lvas about a lveeic or so

after the break-in..AVas anybody else present when he said that to yowl 019 tolel Voll about this ?

Mr. LARGE. Not that I recall. Ads I recall, it had been a discussion ,1 l~etxveen just Mr. Magruder and I.

Mr. DASH. XOlV, Mr. La.Rue, when and where did vou actually first hear about the June 17 break-inmatter ?

WIr. LAREE. At the Beverly Hills Hotel in Los ~&ne,eles, Calif.

Mr. DASH. Were you with anybody else at that time ?Mr. LARUE. Yes, sir, we were on a trip. Present lvere Arr. Mitchell, Mr. Magruder, Mr. Mardian, Ml. Porter,

I think AIr. Caldera from the committee. I mean these revere the people who xvere present from the reelectioncommittee.

AIr. I)Aslr. Bow, can you tell the committee as clearlv as vou can recall, how that news came to you, whofirst learned about it and how you learned about it, and what xvas done?

Mr. L TRUE. As I recall, Ml-. Dash, we were Blasting breakfast on—I think Saturday morning—I Less thatWOIl]CI be tulle Is. W[r. Ma

vrruder was paged, went to the telephone. He came back to the table

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and said that he had had a rather unusual, strange call from GordonLiddy, who vanted him to to to some, as I recall, some NASA instal-lation or DiASA base in Los Angeles, where there leas a secure phone,

and to use this phone to call back to IVIr. Liddy in Washington.

Mr. DASH. Did WIr. Magruder say anything about what the prob

lem xvas ? Do you recall the words as nearly as possible ?

Fir. LARUE. WVell, he indicated that Mr. Lidds—he said 31r. Liddy

indicated that there nvas a problem he wanted to discuss and Mr.Alaaruder, in an aside to me, said that, you know, I think maybe lastnitht was the night they nvere going into the Democratic National

Committee.

AIr. DASH. Did that mean anything to you when he said that?

AIr. L.vRvE. Well. specifieally, no, but it, in view of the fact that

I lvas aware of this plan that had been discussed in Key Biscay, ne, it

certainly aroused X great curiosity or interest on my part, yes, sir.

IWr. DASH. Nonv, what followed? AIr. Magruder then Event ahead

and spoke to Mr. Liddy ?

AIr. LARUE. I think I told Mr. Magruder that. svhv didn't he just

go and use a pay phone, that that would probably be secure enough for

the purposes.

Mr. DASH. What did he do?

Mr. LARK. He ealled Mr. Liddy back and then came back and told

me that Liddy had told him that there had been Pa break-in at theDemocratic National Committee; I think five people had been caughtinside, and that one of the people vas Mr. BIcCord, who was our

security man at the reelection committee.

AIr. DASH. Now, was that information relayed to Afr. Mitchell?

Atr. LARK. Yes; I personally relayed that to WIr. Mitchell.

WIr. DA SH . Wh at xv as WIr. Mitchell 's resoti on ?

AIr. LAREE. I had gotten Mr. :\Iitehell out of another meeting. We

event into an adjoining room. I relayed this information to AIr.Mitchell. He xvtas very surprised. I think as I recall, he made the state-

ment, "That is incredible."

Mr. DASH. Nolv, did BIr. Mitchell give any instructions to anybody

after netting that information ?

AIr. LARtTE. Not at that time. As I recall, Mr. Mitchell went back

into his meeting. Then later on, I think Mr. Magruder and I and Mr.hfitehell met and, yes, Fir. Mitchell asked that someone call Mr. I,iddvand have him contact AIr. Kleindienst, the Attorney General, andhave WIr. Eleindienst get in touch with Chief Wilson and' see what

details Eve could find out about this situation.

WIr. MASTS. Now, was anything else done to your knowledge, while

you lvere Oust in California, concerning the break-in ?

Ivlr. LARUE. l:Vell, yes, there divas a—WIr. Mitehell issued a press

statement on the instant—I think that svas Saturday afternoon.

Fir. DASH. Anvthing else?

Mr. L.- RUE. AVell, there xvere several telephone ealls madeback and forth from Washington to—I mean, from Los Angeles toNVnshin(rton, to our press office here.

ar. . DASH. I take it there lvas quite a commotion.ar.. IJARrJE Yes,sir.:NIr. DASH. A=oxv, you returned. TVhen did you return to

Washington from California ?

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Mr. LARl:rE. Well, Senator, we were at breakfast. I am sure several people were present at breakfast, hut hemade the statement to me in an aside, where no one else heard it.

Senator BA1ZER. Did you convey that information to anyone else?

Mr. LARtrE. No, sir; I didn't.

Senator BAKER. Did WIr. Magruder make the same or a similar statement to anyone else at that time ?

Mr. LARa rE. Not that I know of, Senator.

Senator BAKER. Did you gain the impression, Mr. LaRue, that others present in California on thatoccasion also knew that that was the night that they were going to break into the DNC ?

Mr. LARD No, sir; I did not.

Senator Bum Were you present when Mr. Mitchell received that infonnation, that in fact there had been anentry into the DNC ?

3Ir. LARD Yes, sir; I gave him the information.

Senator BA1EER What was his reaction ?

Mr. LARD His reaction was one of surprise.

Senator BAEER. Can you characterize that a little further 2

Mr. LARD:. I testified, I think, to that point yesterday, Senator. Mr. Mitchell did indicate Surprise, I thinkmade the statement: "That is incredible."

Senator BAKER. Mr. LaRue, on another point, you indicated that someone said to.eontact Kleindienst,meaning former Attornev General Eleindienst, I understand, and to ask him to contact Chief Wilson, the Chiefof Police for the District of Columbia, about the release of certain people arrested on the morning of June 17.

Mr. LARD No, sir; I did not testify to that, Senator. I said that in mV recollection of that incident. that Mr.Mitchell asked that a phone call be made to Gordon Liddy and that Mr. Liddy contact Sir. Eleindienst and Mr.Eleindienst contact Chief WVilson to see what details he could (Jet on the break-in.

Senator BA1ZER. OR .

So, the suggestion was from Mitchell to call Liddy, or someone to call Liddy.

Who was to call Liddy ?

Mr. LARUE. Senator, I don't recall who made the telephone call. I did not.

Senator BA1HER. All right.

For someone to call Liddy or Liddy to call Kleindienst or Eleindienst to call Wilson to find out what wenton.

Mr. LARUE. That is collect.

Senator BAKER. Why Liddy?

Mr. LxR~ I can't answer that question, Senator. Mr. Liddy was at that time a person in Washington withwhom the conversations were beinghad.

Senator BAKER. Was the stall in fact made or do you know, iWr. LaRue ?

_ Mr. LARCE. Yes, the call was made.

Senator BAKER. But you don't recall who made it?

Mr. LXR'CE. No, I do not recall who made it.

Senator BAgER. Was this a report back on the results of that telephone call to Mr. Liddy ?

Mr. LARGE. Not that I recall.

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4.4 RICHARD KLEINDIENST TESTIMONY. AUGUST #. 1973. 9 SSC3560-62

TESTIMONY OF RICHARD G. KLEINDIENST, FORMER ATTORNEY

GENERAL

Fir. KLRINDIENST. Fir. Chairman, my name is Richard G. S]ein-

dienst. WIy address is 8464 Portland Place, McLean, Bra.

I do slot have a prepared statement, Air. Chairman. I am here voluntarily to provide to you, the members of the committee, and thecounsel, whatever information that I have and which you deem to be

relevant to your investigation.

3Ir. DASH. Mr. Chairman, Mr. David Dorsen, assistant chief counsel,

will open the questions.

Mr. DORSEN. Mr. Kleindienst, am I correct that you are presently

engaged ill the private practice of law 2

Mr. KLEINDIENST. Yes, sir. After I left the Department of Justice

I opened up an once in Washington, D.C., and I am a private prac-

titioner by myself.

Mr. DORSEN. And you resigned as Attorney General as of Xpril 30,1 973 ?

Mr. XLEINDIENST. I believe that it nvas April 30; yes, sir. Effective

upon the qualification and appointment of my successor.

Mr. DORSEN. Could you please summarize for us briefly your bacl;ground, especially wlth respect to your positions with the U.S.

Government ?

Mr. KLEIN-DIEN-ST. I have only had txvo positions with the ISIS. Government. That was the position of Deputy .tttorney General of theUnited states, a position that I believe that I lvas~ommenced aroundFebruary 196S, and the other position that I have had With the U.S.Government is the Attorney General of the Ignited states, a positionthat I commenced on or about Julle 8,1979.

lWr. DORSEN-. Wllen for the first time did you learn that there was

electronic surveillance of the Democratic National (:ommittee head-quartelE at the Watergate ?

Mr. ITLEINDIENST. I learned it for the first time after June 17 when

the individuals who nvere at the headquarters were arrested. I don'tknow whether I learned of the electronic surveillance on Saturday,

June 17, or sometime in the early part of the next lveek.

3Ir. DORSED;. But on June 17 you were notified of the fact that there

had been a break-ini

3Ir. ISLEINDIEN-ST. At approximately 8 o'clock in the morning, as

Assistant .tttorney general Henry Petersen of the Criminal Divisionof the Department of Justice called me at my home and indicated tome that there had been a break-in at the Democratic national head-quarters at the Watergate Hotel. All the information that he had atthat time m-as that there Novas a break-ill and I believe he said to me it

looks like it might have been a bombing case.

~ The next knowledge of any kind that I had with respect to it came,

oh, approximately 31/9 hours after that when I met with Zk. GordonLiddy and Fir. PoweTl Moore in a section of lockers at the Burning

T. ee Chll,, which is a (rol f club ill Al'ashillrtoll, 0.C.

3Ir. DORSEN. Holv did that come about, Air. Ivleindienst?

3Ir. ISl,EIN'DIEN'ST. The reason I was at the Burning Tree Clubs they

had their allllllal mellll)el-~rtlest golf toulllalllellt ill xvhicll I lvas aparticipant. I think I was scheduled to tee off for the Saturday round

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in the afternoon. I was having lunch in the main dining room area ofthe Burning Tree Chub. I looked llp and AIr. Gordon Lidd5, who I

recognized, came in vith AIr. Powell Moore and I lil;exvise recognized

hinl.

AIr. DORSE}ı . Who is Mr. Powell Moore 7AI r. ITLEI N- DIEN'ST. .Al r. Powell Afoore was the Deputy Public Efor-

mation Officer of the Department of Justice when I was there as theI)eputy ^tttorne~T General. When AIr. Atitehell resigned as AttorneyGeneral and Vent over to the Committee for the Re-Election of thePresident, AIr. I'oxvell Moore event with him to the campaign com-mittee. I do not know what his title was at the campaign committeebut I knew Powell Moore quite well as a result of our association to-

gether at the Department of Justice.

Air. DORSEN. I believe you indicated you recognized Gordon Liddy.

What xsere the circumstances under which you filet met or got to knowAIr. Liddy 7

fair. ItLEIN-DIENrST. The only association I ever had with ZIr. Liddy,

except for this particular meeting on Saturday, June 17, lvas in theyear 1969 when I headed, on behalf of the executive branch, a taskforce that was looking into and devising a program of action vithrespect to the marihuana traffic from the country of ISIexico into theUnited States. I believe that AIr. Biddy at that time was an officer oremployed by the Treasury Department and he lvas one of the repre-sentatives from the Treasury Department in that task force. Therexvere representatives from six or seven Departments of the Govern-ment. That would have been in the late spring of 1969 and the summerof 1969. To the best of my recollection I never saw Gordon Liddy afterthat time in the intervening years until that Saturday morning on

June Wand I have not seen him since.

BIr. DORSEN. XVhat was the nature of the experience that the Justice

Departrnent had vith BIr. Liddy in connection with his role in Opera-

tion Intercept ?

AIr. KLEINDIEDfST. I had no experience with him because he avas

under the jurisdiction of the Secretary of the Treasury. He had oneassignment, as I recall, with respect to going from town to town alongthe United States-Mexican border to inform the business communityeve were quite concerned about so-called Operation Intercept. AIy recol-lection, which is not very precise, is that the manner in which Air.Liddy lvas giving information with respect to our program vas un-satisfactorv and I believe that based llpOII information that I got, Irecommended to the Secretary of the Treasury or hair. Rossides. whowas, I thinly his immediate superior, that Air. Liddy be called back

from that assignment and not to continue any further with it.

AIr. DORSEN. Do you have any other recollection about an,> possible

problems with Air. Liddy 01' why his performance xvas considered

unsatisfactory ?

Air. ITl.XIN-DIEN-ST. No. sir.

purr. DORSEN. Direeting your attention to the locker room of the

ulning Tree Country Club, what happened •vhen you saw Air. Atoore

and AIr. Liddy there?

Arr. I\LEIN'DIEN'ST. Tlle fil'St tllill(r that I remember with some pre

ciseness is the fact that AlDr. I,idd5-, Shell he came into the entralleemavof the dining arcs and saw me, in a Father furtive manner made n

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motion to me like this, indicating come llele. I got up ollt of my chairand went over these. He was very agitated and seemed to be quiteupset. He said that I have to talk to you in pl ivate. AVhere I was stand-int, was not a very private place; there must ha~-e been 6() 01 s0 menwho svere eating or standing around. Right to the left of where he •vasthere. was a little locker room complex at the club. I looked in thereand no one was ill there so I said, "Gentlemen. come in here, I thinkthis would be a private place to talk." Cite went in there. Arr. Liddystaid that I have been asked to come out and give you a report withrespect to the XVaterr,ate break-in last night or the l)reak-in at theDemocratic National Committee, I do not knolv which he said. Hesaid to me that he believed that some of the persons who lvere arrestedmight be employed by either the White House or the Committee for

the Re-Election of the President.

M,y reaction to that statement was instantaneous and rather abrupt.

I think he also said, although I do not have too precise a recollectionof it, that WIr. Mitchell had asked him to come out and talk to me.That xvas incredible to me. The relationship I had with Atr. Mitchellwas such that I do not believe that he would have sent a person likeGordon Biddy to come out and talk to me about an~1llint,; he knewwhele he could find me ad hours a day. In any event, as a result ofmy surprise, my incredulity, andz I think my instant realization ofthe implications of what he had jilSt said prompted me to pick llp thetelephone and locate Atr. Henry Petersen. That I was able to do veryquickly. All I had to do was to call the Justice Department savitch-board and have her call him at home and put him 011 the phone. sinceMr. Petersen had called me at 8 o'clock I did not have to explain milchto Henry. I told him, and I have alxvnys been under the impression Isaid to AIt. Petexeell, that Mr. Gordon Liddy of the enmpaipl com-mittee is here. WIr. Petersen, based upon a conversation I have hadwith him, does not remember my mentioning AIr. Liddy's name, butin any event, I was intent UpOII giving him a fiery specific directinstruction right then that with respect to those who were arrested atthe Watergate they should be given no treatment different than nny-body who might have been arrested in circumstances of that kind. Iwas quite upset. To the best of my recollection. the next thing I didwas to turn to Alr. Liddy and tell ilim to leave the premises because I

know immediately thereafter Air. AIoore and AIr. Liddy left.

Arr. DORSEN'. Arr. Itleindienst, aside from the conversation vou had

vith hIr. Petersen which you have just described, to whom else did you

recount the incident at Burning Tree ?

Mr. ISLEINDIENST. I might have told WIr. Dean, I do not recollect

doing so. I have no recollection of recounting this incident to anvoneelse until I was interrogated by personnel from the Select Committee

and also personnel from the Special Prosecutor Cox staff.

Arr. DORSEN. You are aware, are LOU Slot, that 311. Dean has testified

with respect to reported conversations you had with him?

AIr. IVl.EINDIENST. Right.

Arr. DORSEN. On the subject ?

AIr. ITLEINDIENST. I have no recollection of mentioning it to him. Ifhe recollects it inasmuch as the events oconrreds then I think on that

instance I would have to credit Or. . Dean's testimony.

Atr. T)ORSEN. Did you participate in a conversation with Btr. Henrv

Peterson and WIr. Dean concerning the possibility of going to the

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Stir. MITCHELL [continuing]. Senator, that if you avoid have, Iknow you are reading from one of these minicharts but some of thethings they do not have up there is that there is an 8 :l.-) a.m.morning meeting in the White House.

Senator TALzrADGE. You should have ample opportunity to statewhatever you avant to, Mr. Mitchell, if that chart is different fromyour views do not hesitate to say so, ve avant the facts, only thefacts.

AIr. MITCHELL. I cannot see it from here and it does not matteany difference anyway, because I have got a directory here but whatI vould point out is that during this period which I have—which Ihave testified to earlier today, until I left the committee as thecampaign director, there svas a meeting at 8:1.5 a.m. in the WhiteHouse every morning. This xvas the regular staff meeting thatinvolved legislative liaison Dr. Kissinger, General Haig, et cetera.So, ashen I say vhen vou ask me when did I first talk to these peopleabout the Watergate, of course, it vas a continuing subject matterbasically in the concept of the political problems that presentedbecause by the, I guess the, 20th or certainly the 21st, the Democratshad threatened their lawsuit, they filed it, I think, on the 22d and wehad had a verbal press battle over the circumstances from then onconstantly day in and day out about the matter.

Senator TALzrAwE. Did you talk to Mr. Colson about the sannetime ?Mr. MrrcHELL. I am sure that I would because he would have

attended those meetings.Senator TALzrADGE. Did you direct Robert Mardian to telephone

Liddy on June 17 and ask him to try to persuade Mr. lileindienst,then the Acting Attorney General, to arrange for Mr. McCord to bereleased from bail as Mr. Maeruder has testified ?

Mr. MITCHELL. No, sir, I am sure, I assure you, that vould notbe the case. There was some conversation that somebody might callup the Acting Attorney General to find out what the hell happenedbut I noticed in Mr. Magruder's testimony he said that I selected3Iardian because Mardian vas a great friend of I,iddy's and if thereis anybody vho revere on the opposite ends of the stick it wouldhave been Mardian and Liddy.

Senator TALarAwE. Would you say then that Sir. Mar,tmdercommitted perjury before this committee 2

Mr. MITclrELL. I cannot characterize anvthing as periurv.Senator. That does not happen to be n fact, what you have just said.and I have just denied it and I am sure the other people who lverepresent voile also deny it.

Senator TALarADs.E. You are n good lalvver, Sir. Mitchell.testifving under oath to a lie is commonly referred to as perjury is itnot?

Mr. MITCHELL AVell. yes; but you also have to have intents, Ithink. along with it under certain circumstances and I am sure thatsome of these conversations have g ot warbled and mixed up in theintervening vear and a half or so. I would not avant to characterizeanvbodv—

Senator TALzrArJGE. What you are saying is intentions mi, ht beFood but his facts are xvronvn is that correct ?

Mr. MITCHELL. Could vet v lvell be that the recollection lvas notquite accurate. There are manly of other circumstances some of Mhich I have testified to and some of which I presume I avid inconnection with mv

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Mr. HA3IlLTON-. Well, That is your best recollection as to whether

AIr. Mitchell vaS in the room when that lvas discussed ?

Mr. WIARDIAN-. That is mV best recollection. I am trvino to be fair,

however. ANThen you ask about meetings and I have heard all tvpes ofmeetings took place in Air. Alitchell's office and other places. MTith re-spect to WIr. hlitchell's office, any time anybody valkecl in the room, asI understand it, his secretary voulcl lo::a it and that vas a meetingsSometimes, you would walls in to see that somebody else vas there andvou would walk out and you attended a meeting. I hate to characterizea formal meeting where he sat clown and admitted that he had approveda black advance budvet. That is my best recollection that he vas prey

ent and that I discussed it.

Senator ERGO-. If counsel Tvould excuse me for interjecting this

remark at this time, I don't linosv any vay that anv human being can

testify as to a past event except by giving his best recollection.

btr. A[.\RDIAN. Thai you.

Brr. HAMILTON. Mr. Mardian, vhile in California. did you receive

an assignment from Mr. Mitchell regarding the Watergate matter?

Mr. SERBIAN. Could you be more specific ?

Mr. H ~3m.Tos . All right.

Did AIr. Mitchell assign you to deal with the legal matters that

might arise in connection vit.h the break-in ?

Mr. MARI)I ax. Yes.

Mr. H^sAILLTON. Mr. Mardian, vhile in California, did you make

several telephone calls to Sir. Liddy ?

AIr. GUARDIAN. I believe that my records sho v that—which I have

turned over to the committee and these are records of calls that I turnedin to the Committee To Re-Elect the President—that I tallied to AIr.Liddy on three occasions two occasions—three occasions. The recordssho v three and there vere three, but one of the ones that the record

shows lvas not a call to WIr. Lidely, as I recall.

Mr. HAZIILTON-. Do you remember when these calls took place—on

Saturday or Sunday ?

BIr. At.tRDIAN-. The first time I talked to AIr. Liddy, I believe, was

on Saturday and that vas not a call from me to him but a call fromhim to me, as I recall. It is possible I may have returned the call, but—

that is my best recollection.

Mr. HA3tILTON-. Did you also talk to Atr. Licldv on Sundav ?

Mr. WIARDIAN-. I talked to WIr. Liddy on Sunday twice. as I recall.

Mr. HA3t3LTOB,-. VI!;onv. can vou aix-e US the best recollection vou have

of the substance of these three telephone calls?

Air. AtARDIAN-. The fil'St telephone call v as a—as I recall—vas an

urgent demand 031 the part of AII-. skiddy that I return to Washington.I had indicated in that call, as I undetstallcl it, that Atr. Alaaruclervas Joins to return that he did not avant Atr. Atnaruder to returns helvantecl me to return Ffe lvaS •~erV reluctant to—not onlv reluctant herefused to use the telephone to discuss anvthinC about ATatervate. HeLid, however, make some clerolratorv remarks about AIr. Ata<>ruder.

That is all I recall about the fil'St tel~utzholle call.

Air. H.\AtlLTON-. Al70llkl yoll ,(rO on to the second and the third, please?

:\Ir. A;I.\RDL\N-. I had told Air. I,icldv about the plans that I heard,

that Afr. WIazrrll(lel avas aoino to retillll. I ~vollld eomnrllnieate XVitll

AIr. NIite}lell, and I vill let him klloxv.

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Afr. HAMILTON. And the final telephone call ?

WIr. AIARDIAN. AVell, that was the first telephone cam

The second telephone call, as I recall was when I called to tell him that I xvas not going to return and thatWIr. 3Lagrruder had left—had returned.

31r. H.X MILTON . End what xv as the final telephone call ?

AIr. 3L\RDI.'~N. The final telephone call svas with respect to a call I not from Powell Nloore. PowellMoore called me on Sunday. I previouslv testified that these conversations, I testified originally that thevwere Sunday. I avas told that they ~rere on Saturdav. I a;vasn't sure. I have now. checkin(r the records of thecalls, that these calls tools place on Sundav.

Powell WIoore called me to tell me of an occurrence the previous day. He said that he wanted me toknovv, for WIr. Mitchell to knows that A.tr. Liddy had told him in his presence that he had received .z callfrom Err. Mitchell, that AIr. Mitchell had instructed him to go see AIr. Eleindienst and to have 3Ir. Eleindienstget the Watergate burglars released from jail. He told me that he did not believe that these instructions camefrom WIr. 3Iitchell.

He told Mr. Giddy that he should not contact WIr. Eleindienst; that when he realized that he lvas, in fact,going to contact AIr. Rleindienst, he went with him; that WIr. Lidcly made contact with Mr. ~eindienst at theBurning Tree Country Club and that in order to advise 3Tr. Isleindienst that he vas not to pay any attentionto iSIr. Liddy, he said he stood behind Mr. Liddy so that hair. Liddy could not see him, but that Mr.Kleindienst could, and shook his head as Cogently as he could so that Sir. Eleindienst would l;nosv thatwhat he Divas telling him was an untruth.

He told me that AIr. Eleindienst, in effect, had told 31r. Liddy to go to hell, and as I understood it, venton plavina golf.

I then called Air. IQleindienst. I think I told Err. Mitchell about it. Atr. Mitchell was amazed. I believe Itold—I then called Err. Isleindienst to tell him that 3Ir. Mitchell had given no such instructions and Air.Isleindienst told me, I believe. that he was satisfied that he had not ais-ell anv instructions and in effect, said,keep that—he used an adjective—away from me.

I then called Ak. Biddy and reprimanded him: told him that AIr. Mitchell had air en no instructions andthat he had clone a •-erV. committed a verv embarrassing error on the part of the Attornev General.

Err. HA3tILTON-. Arr. Atardian, I avant to read to volt a portion of Mr. Alagruder's testimony t.hat isfound at page 1910 of the record:

lVe knew that or. Alardian. rho svnS there, svnS a closer friend of Nor. Liddy's than any one of us, and sir. Mitchell asked AIr. LIardian to call sir. Liddy and ask him to see the Attorney General,

the current Attorney General. Mr. EZleindienst, and see if there wean any possibility that tar. Record could be released

| from jail.

I Atr. At.\RDI \X. Tllat statement is not true.

Air. HAGrlLTOX. Atr. Atarclian~ can vOtl suggest anv reason whvAIr. Magruder ssollkl falselv testifv as to such a phone call on vour part?

Afr. At.\RDI VXe I honestly—I don't thinlv Atr. ArKaCrnAer lvoulcl intentionallv falselv testify. Tlie subjeet of the Licldv tt ip to see Atr. I;Eleincliellst xvas milch clisetlssed. dry-. LiA(lv's pOSiitiOIl, or the storvthat

Ponvell Moore told, rvas that, as I recall, that John Mitchell had called

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5. In the late afternoon of June 17, 1972 Secret Service

Agent Boggs telephoned John Ehrlichman, Assistant to the

President, and told him that one of the persons arrested at

the DNC headquarters had in his possession a document

referring to Howard Hunt, who apparently was a White House

employee. Later that day, Ehrlichman telephoned Ronald

Ziegler, the President's press secretary, who was with the

Presidential party in Florida. Ehrlichman told Ziegler the

substance of his

telephone conversation with Agent Boggs. Ehrlichman also

telephoned Charles Colson, Special Counsel to the President,

and discussed Hunt's White House employment status.

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WIr. EIIRLICII}tAN. No, sir.

' Senator BAKER. When did you first learn of the break-in?Sir. ET[RLICEI3rAN. On the day following the break-in, when I received this telephone call toward dusk,

late in the afternoon.

Senator B.\ISER. From whom?3Ir. EHRLICIIB[.vS. From 31r. Boggs of the Secret Service.

Senator BAITER. And I know this is somewhat repetitious, but tell us again, for the sake of sequence,what AIr. Boggs told you?

Mr. EHRl,IC}lZ[.\N-. Briefly, he said that he had had a report from the Metropolitan Police Departmentabout this incident because some of the people who had been picked up, or one of them, had in hispossession the name of someone who apparently was a White House employee. And that was Howard Hunt.

Senator BAKER. What vas your reaction to that?Sir. EHBI,ICH)tAX. I asked him a little bit about the circumstances, Then it had happened, ho v many

people nvere invoked, whether anybody from the AVhite House was directly involved, this kind of thing,

and thanked him very much.

Senator B. XEZB. What did he say ?Mr. EHRLICH)IAN-. He said that as far as he knew, that vas the

# only connection with the White House, just the possession of this fellonv's name, and he told me that fivepeople had been caught redhanded burglarizing the Democratic National Committee headquarters.

Senator BAKER. Dial he tell you the names of the five people ?WIr. EHRLICH3[AN-. He maV have, but it didn't mean anything to me.

Senator BAKER. What did you do vith the information?WIr. EHRLICH3tAN'. I made a phone—I made two phone calls. I called Ron Ziegler, the press secretary

who was with the President in Florida, and told him about that telephone call because. I thought he might be

getting some inquiries or would rant to malre some inquiries.

Senator BATHER. Is that the first call you made?Sir. EHBLICHBIAN'. I think it is, although it may have been in reverse order.

I also ealled Fir. Colson to find our vhether Howard Hunt still was employed in the White House. And I

am not Sure whether I did that in response to a question from lWr. Ziegler or not, but both vere .w rapid

sequence.

Senator BAKER. Did you call anyone else except Fir. Ziegler and Sir. Colson on June 17 ?3Ir. ElIRLICH3r.XN. Not that I can recall. Err. Caulfield testified here that he called me, and he maV have. I

don't have a specific recollection of the phone call, but if he did, it lvas after the call from Ok. Boggs.

Senator BAITER. Did anvone else call you on June 17 ?

3Ir. EIIRLICE13tAN-. I believe clot.

Senator B.\ITFR. SO the sum total of your information lras a call from Air. Bogus of the Secret Service andthe sum total of your activitv xvas to call AI,-. Zeiglel- and Fir. Colson ?

AIR: EHRLICEIBfAN. Rifflht.

Senator BAITER. Did you read the nexvspaper accounts of the be eKk-in ?

fits. EERI,IC1131AN. Yes, Sit-.

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5. 2 CHARLES COlSOlV DEPOSITION, AUGUST 30, 1972,O'BRIES /DSC/ V. ACCORDS 31-32

it, I have answered the questions.

Q. Can you tell us the names of those reporters, if

you can remember, With whom you talked on this Subject?

Ax Well, it came up in an interview that I had with. , .

Norman Kempster of UPI,

g How do you spell his name, please?

irly easy,

because I nave onlyhad trio interviews besides the one with

Gill, and I assume itcame up in the other one. I know it

came up in theKempster one. The other one would have been

with Jerry Schector.That is spelled

Jerry Schector, of Time Magazine.

p When did you first learn, M3:. Colson, of the

| alleged break-in of the Democratic National Committee Head-

| quarters?

A, I first heard about it on Saturday afternoon,

June

Q. 17?

A. 17.

Q. Under what circumstances?

A. I received a call from John Ehrlickman. I was home.

It was about -- it was late afternoon. lie simply asked me if

I had seen -- did. I know where Howard Hunt was. I think that

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5.2 CHARLES COlSON DEPOSITIONS AUGUST 70J 19Z2,

O'BRIES rgc7 v. MeCORD, 31-32is the way the question was asked And I said no. and he

asked me how long it had been since I had seen Howard Hunt.

Waite a long time, several months. And I asked him why

he asked.

He said, "Well, there is a report of a break-in at the

daterga•e, and one of the people arrested had something in'

this possession with Howard Hunt's name on it."

I thislk he then asked if I knew Doug Caddy, and I said

no; that I had heard the name, but I didn't know him. And that

was the sum and substance of the conversation.

Q. You remembered on June 17th that you had heard the

name Douglas Caddy?

Yes, that is correct.

This was without talking to your secretary?

That is correct. The name was a familiar name

to me, but I could not place where.

You could not put it in context?

No .

B What time was the call that you received from

John Ehrlichman on June 17th, if you can tell us, to the best

of your ability?

A. Oh, I would say around five.

Q. All right.

As Five in the afternoon or maybe six o'clock.

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6. During the evening of June 17, 1972 Assistant

Attorney General Petersen telephoned Attorney General

Kleindienst and told him that documentation relating to

a White House consultant had been found at the scene of

the break-in at the DNC headquarters.

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if indeed persons had intentions of trying to demolish the Democraticlleadquattels I tlloufrllt the same mit,llt be in oftinzr for tile ltel)ublicanheadquarters and I thought he ought to be forewarned.

AIr. DASH. Well, how SOOII did an investigation under the sponsorship of the Department of Justice begin in thls case 2

Mr. PETERSEN. Investigation xvas underway at that time. AIr. Titus'staff had already been alerted and he had assistants working 011 thematter at that point with the Aletropolitall Police Department and the}'BI who avere just coming into it.

Mr. DASH. Now, what role as Chief of the Criminal Division did youplay with reward to the U.S. Attorney's Office investigation 2

Mr. PETERSEN. A general supervisory role, iSlr. Dash. One of theearly questions I had to decide divas the degree of supervision thatshould be involved and since we knew at the close of Saturday, June17, that what eve had- tllotl~~ht to be explosive devices were electroniclistening devices, and that an individual named E. Howard Hunt waspossibly implicated as a result of the fact that some of his checlss orsome information relating to him had been found at the scene, thatthere were immense political repercussions possible. And I decided ata very early stage that that investigation ought to be as isolated fromthe political element as it could possibly be. And I su.r-.ested that Air.Titus appoint as principal assistant, Earl Silbert. to conduct the in-vestigation in his office and report to Fir. Titus and to myself on a

daily basis, oral reports on a daily basis.Mr. D.\SEI. XVhat was your relationship with the Federal Bureau of

Investigation during the investigations Did you get an,l1 kind of re-portin~~ from the FBI?

Mr. PETERSEN. lVell, the FBI, of course, reported—their reports tothe prosecutors, NIr. Silbert and company, were more immediate thantheir reports to me. Their reports to me had to wait the normal processof bureaucracvz the preparation of the reports and the submissionthrough norn;al channels, whereas the prosecutor on the scene was,ettin~~ the witness statements almost immediately but the reportswere coming over to me rather slowly at filst, very sionvly. As a matterof fact, vhen the publicity developed, with the cooperation of InspectorP;aldlvin I did not have statements in my office. I had to call the Bureauand ask them to send it over. Thev sent a whole packave of reports at

that time.Mr. DASH. Was this sloav reporting to VOII or did the proseClltOrS.

the U.S. Attornev's Ofliee, have that report?

Mr. PETERSEN Mirell, they had the ,309, ves. It was just-

Mr. DASH. Whilst 1101F it came up to vour office as (thief of the Criminal Division.

iVIr. PETERSEN. That is correct. I lvaS hearing about it from Arr.

ilbert.

AIr. nASTT. Volvo shortly after the break-ill. do voll recall reeeivill~

a telephone call from Air. ElVleindienst cello Has at the Bllrnint, Tree

Conntrv Club?Art-. PETERSEN Air. Tvleindiellst and I communicated three times on

Saturday. fIIllle 17. The first call I l)laced ar)proximatelV at tS o'eloelQin the morning The second call I vvas about to place lvhell—indeed.

if I hold not heal d his testimollV or had discussed it with him. I lvollldhave said I y)laced the second call lint he tells me he dids but in an!-

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Ievent since I do not recall, I am sure it is true. The third call I com-municated to him and he lvas making a speech at the titutler-IliltonHotel and I had to run him down through the security service downthere. He had to speak very guardedly. XYhat I was ttying to reportto him Divas that documentation relating to a White House consultanthad been found at thr Rcene. I thought it was important that he have

that information.

hIr. DASH. I)id he tell you about a meeting he had or an encounter,really, at the Burning Tree Country Club with AIr. Liddy shortlyafter the break-in?

AIr. pE'rEItSE.S. Yes; recently. The second call, whether I made it or

he made it, I remember predominantly because he said, Henry, I wantthese people treated the same as everybody else. I conveyed to him atthat point the information about the electronic equipment and I guessI thought it a little odd that he should make that statement because Idid not know any other oval to treat them. But I do not recall himtelling me that Liddy lvaS there. If he did, I simply do not remember it.

A:Er. DASSI. AYhat were your relationships with P,Ir. JoM Dean at the

5,lThite House during this period of time ?iVlr. PET.ERSE;\;. Good. Good. John Dean, I guess, lvas kind of an un

official liaison with the Justice Department since he had been there.NVe knew him. He worlied in the Deputy Attorney General's office.He was in communication with us frequently v ith respect to inter-pretations of the Corrupt Practices Ant. 30 we had frequent dealings.

Relationships lvere good.

5,Ir. DASH. Dill he inform you that he vas in charge in any way orJ iaison beta een the Wllite House and any investigation.

SLIM. PETEIDSEN-. Not at that stage, Air. Dasll.

I suppose the practice of discussing this matter with John Deanarose the fil'St instance out of the request of AIr. Silbert and the FBI,rathel than of their complaints that the White House was dragging its

feet.for. I) VSH. Do vou lznolv about when this tools place ?

Atr. PETERSEN. This divas earl v in the in x estita tion. People lrere to beintelsielved and nppoilltmellts Mere not beins kept or being delavedand they would call Upon me to expedite them and I would call JohnDean and I have to say lvhene\-er I called him he novas fralll;l! helpful.

Atr. DASH. Do you reoall a meeting on or about Tune 20, 19/ 2, in WIN'.Itlenidienst~s office, where Air. Dean v as and at which Ali. Dean madesome statements to your according to his testimony that this investiga-tion should go very llig}l, in fact it might involve the White House;ill fact he testified he didn't linoav ho v far it might ¢o.

AIr. PETERSEN. I remember the circumstances I don't remember it asAtr. l)eall testificd to it. I v. as called up to Atr. lilendienst's oflice. ZIr.

I)ean avas,already there. Thev asked for a status report and I Cave-ethem a genes al status report Oil the nature of the investigation. We had

some discussions I thinly commonplace discussion. AlV (>sod, nvllat hashat palled, cello is doing this and what tvpe of a situation is this. tnd

I told hint that, I remember the lvords fiery distinctly I said, "John.I don't knolv vsho I am talking about but ivhoe~-er is responsible for

tllisisn(lalllllidiotalldtll(}t(sisolllvoll(>tllillsrtllattllePlesiclentoftlleUnited S;tates can do and teats is Cllt his losses and the lvaV that heshould •10 that is to instlllet the Attorney General publicly to run an

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7. On June 18, 1972 H. R. Haldeman, Chief of Staff to

President Nixon, who was at Key Biscayne, Florida with the

Presidential party, spoke by telephone with Jeb Magruder, who

was in California. Haldeman directed Magruder to return to

Washington, D. C. to meet with Counsel to the President John

Dean, Haldeman's Special Assistant Gordon Strachan, and FCRP

Treasurer Hugh Sloan to learn what had happened and determine

the source of the money found in the possession of the persons

arrested at the DNC headquarters. By the following day,

Magruder had returned

toWashington.

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7.2 H. R. Haldeman testimony, 8 SSC 3039>........ 127

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since this break-in was done in a rather nmatenrisll vaye thatpossiblv these was some double-agent activity going on hete, andeve were honestly concerned about our own files.

I did ask Sir. Reisner to remove certain files—nlv advertising file,the budget file, our strategv file, and the Gemstone Ale. Tllen Italked with him and 3tr. Odle, aild Stir. Odle took the Gemstone filehome.

Mr. DASH. Did y ou talk to anybody else from California ?Ml. 3IAGRIJDER. Shell, yes, I talked to Powell Moore, as I

recall. I cannot r ecall any other specifically3Ir. DASH. Did you call Nor. Strachan ?Or. MAGRtrDER. Oh, yes, I called 3Ir. Strachan that evening.Mr. DASH. What did you tell Mr. Strachan ?NIr. MAGRUDER. I told himself course, he knew no more than

we knew. He knew that they had been apprehended, and we had aproblem and just discussed in a sense that we had a problem, and wedid not quite know what to do about it. At that time, we had heardthat there was some money at that time found on the individuals, andwe had hoped that it was money that had been found at theDemocratic National Committee, but unfortunately, it was ourmoney. So we, in effect, just discussed the problem. XVe had noanswers, obviously, at that time.

Mr. DASH. Did you receive a call from Mr. Haldeman ?Sir. Of GRADER. Yes. The next morning on Sunday, I received a

call from Sir. Haldeman. He asked me what had happened. Again, Itold him basicallv

3Ir. DASH. From where was he calling ?Mr. MAGRUDER. Iiey Biscayne, Fla.He just asked me the basic background of the break-in and what

had happened. I just told him what had happened. He indicated that Ishould get back to Washington immediately, since no one in anyposition of authority was at the committee, and to talk with l\Ir. Deanand Mr. Strachan and Sir. Sloan and others oil 3Iondav to try to findout what actually had happened and whose money it was and so on.

Mr. DASH. Now, you did return to Washington ?Mr. MAGRIJDER. Yes, I did.Mr. DASH. Xnd would you tell us briefly, but as specifically as

you can, what you did as soon as you returned to Washington andwho you met with ?

Mr. 3fAGRsDER. TVell, on Monday, I met with Sir. Dean, AIr.Strachan, Mr. Sloan, Mr. Liddy. Sir. Lidd) and I did not reallv havetoo much to say to each other. He said he had goofed, and I acceptedthat on face value. There really was not much to discuss at that time.

I determined from Mr. Sloan that the money was our money, notsomeone else's money.

Mr. Dean and I discussed the problem in terms of what we weregoing to do as to Sir. Strachan and I.

Mr. D ASH. Did you have a meeting oil that evening, the eveningof June 19, when you came back to WashilletonX in Ml-. Mitchell sapartment ?

Mr. MACR~;1)ER. Yes. 3fr. Mitchell fle v back that Molldav withMl . LnRue and Mr. Mardian. We met in his apartment with Fir.Dean. That would have been Mr. Mitchell, Ml-. LaRue, Mr. Dean,Mr. BIardian and mxself; and the general discussion again was,what were we going to do about the problem? It was again, we hadvery little

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A[r. DASH. NOSE, Mr. Haldeman, when and how did you learn of the bl eak-in 011 June 17, 197X2 ?

Mr. HALDE3tAN. That seems to be the crucial question and I have to give I guess the most incredible possible answer. I

don't know, .Mr. Dash. I simply- don't remember how I learned about it or precisely when or from •vhom. But let me explain

that at that time, that weekend, I was in If ey Biscayne. The President was out at Walkers Cay and I was at the If ey

Biscayne Hotel and I am sure that some time during that weekend somebody told me that the Democratic National

Committee had been broken into. I am not sure who or when.

fir. DASH. Now~ what did you do when you learned that, when or whoever told you ?

Mr. HALDE3tAN. Nothing.

Mr. DASH. Nothing?

fir. HALDEA[AN. No.

Mr. DASH. While you were at Key Biscayne, did you have any information that somebody connected with the

Committee To Re-Elect the President was involved ?

Mr. HALDENtAN. I think I did and I think that came in a phone conversation with Jeb Magruder on the 18th, on Sunday,

which it has always been my impression svas placed by him to me, but I understand he says it was placed by me to him and I

am not sure which is which. But there was—the point of that phone conversation, the purpose of it Divas to review a

statement that the committee was planning to release, and it was releasing it in conjunction with the earlier publicized, or

assumed about to be publicized, fact that Mr. McCord, who did have a connection with the committee, had been one of

those arrested at the scene of the break-in.

Mr. DASH. What came through your mind when vou learned that Mr. McCord—did vou know, by the way, who Mr. M<ord was?

Mr. HALDE5rAN, I don't believe I did. He probably told me at that time who he svas.

Mr. DASH. I take it vou did learn that he Jvas the security chief of the Committee To Re-Elect the President.

_ Mr. HALDEMAN. Yes.

Mr. DA9Fr. Did it occur to you that this might be an embarrassing matter for the campaign ?

Mr. HALDERfAN. Yes.

Mr. DASH. TVIIen did vou get back to Washington after the break-in ?

Mr. 'HALDE3XAN'. I think on the evening of—on Monday evening, which would be the l9th.

Mr. DASH. Is that when you had a meeting with Err. Dean ? Did Mr. Dean report to you then about what he had learnedabout the break-in ?

Mr. HALDE3rAN. I am not—I don't believe so. I am not sure that r had a meeting with Mr. Dean at that point. I believe

we probably got back late Monday evening and that I went home.

Mr. Dash. When did you meet with Mr. Dean after you got back?

Mr. HALDE5rAN. I thin*, and I have got sort of a capsule of my record here that is subject to correction bV the details.

but I think there avas a meeting the morning of the 20bh, in which I was present with Mr. Mitchell and Afr. Ehrlie.hman,

and that Dean lvas, Afr. I)ean nvas, in part of that meeting and Attorney General Sleindienst was there part of that meeting

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8. On June 18, 1972 John Ehrlichman spoke by telephone with

H. R. Haldeman. They discussed the break-in at the DNC

headquarters, the involvement of James McCord, and the fact

of Hunt's name being involved.

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Senator B SEER. Did you gain additional information from the newspaper accounts ?

AIr. EHRLICHASS. Yes.

Senator B,\1SER WNthat information ? Mr. EHRLICH)uN-. Well, I learned, for instance, that one of the people apprehended

was an employee of the Re-Election Committee and I don't think that Mr. BOggS had told me that the previous evening

Endow, I may have seen it on the news, come to think of it, that night, I mav have lvatched the television neavs. Senator

BAKER. Did you talk t.o the President on the 17th ? Atr. EHRUCH3I1N-. A-0, I didn't, not that I can recall. Senator

BA1SER. Did yotl talk to Mr. Haldeman on the lith? Mr. EHRLICH3I \N'. I think I talked to him on the 'following day.

Senator B.-\KER. Let's limit it to the 1~ th for the moment. Sir. E^RLICRMX5'. A11 rifflht. Senator BAKER Did you talk to

AIr. Dean ?

ANtr. E~ICH3t.tS. No.

Senator B.tEER. Mr. 3Iitchell 2

uAIr. ERRLIC115XAN-. I don't believe so. I have heard testimony here that I did. I can't recall a conversation with iStr.

Mitchell. - Senator BAKER. There you concerned about it ?

AvIr. EHRLICH3IAN. Not particularly.

Senator B. VldiER. All right. Move on, then, to the 18th.

Who did you talk to. who tallied to you, what additional information did-yoll receive, and what action did you take? And

if you don't Ed, Afro Ehrlichman, as briefl5- as possible, outline for me the steps that vou took, the information yotl

received, the general state of circumstances from your first information on June Is, 19z9, for a few days thereafter.

Mr. EHRLICH3IAN. The 18th lvas Sunday. I believe I talked to ALr. Haldeman on the telephone about this. I think thatthe purpose of our call xvas really something else, some other business. And ore discussed the fact of the break-in, the fact of

Hunt's name being involved and McCord being involved, and so forth. He told me something about the statementwhich the Committee To Re-Elect people lrere putting ottt that day orthe next day, I forget which. But I do recall •ve disc cussed thepublic statement that nvas going to be made on it.

On the 19th, which eras 31OndaySenator BAKER. Plait a minute; just a second. Still on the 18th in

your call to AIr. Halcleman, 31 l: Haleleman svas in effect thePresident's Chief of Stab ?

3Il . EIlRLIcTlzr vs. Yes, sir.Senator BAKER. lVas there any conversation between vou and

fir. Haldeman about llOnv nnfol Lunate or incredible or hoxvdangerous this vas? Was there anythino other than a calm, ordinaryexchange of information ?

Ok. EHRLrcH^~rss-. No; I think both of us wondered lvhv in theworld anybo(lv wanted to bleak in there. That lvas the depths of theDemocrats fortunes. I don t thinly anybody believed that anvboclv inthat particular office knew allvthint that novas lvolth knolvil;~.

Senator n~\l~FaR~ Did loll ask Air. Hillclenl<ln if he llad •lisalssed this lVitlI the President ?

3tr. EnRLIcllzr.v~. L'o; Ididn't.

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9. At noon on June 18, 1972 Gordon Strachan telephoned

Haldeman's principal staff assistant, Lawrence Higby.

Higby told Strachan that Haldeman had spoken with Jeb

Magruder about the break-in and that John Ehrlichman

was handling the entire matter.

9.1 Gordon Strachan testimony, 6 SSC

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9.2 H. R. Haldeman testimony, 8 SSC 3019.... 133

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AIr. STEL\CH.\hL NO, I did not.

AIr. DASH. Did you later learn from Err. Magruder anything about

this event ?

XIr. STIL1CHAX. Shell. I called shim that afternoon and then tried to

call him again that evening, and did not reach him. Placed a third callon Sunday about noon, Washington time, and asked him if he linewanvt'nint about this since I had rather expected a phone call from ZIr.H:aldeman, and he said "Don't worry about it, I have been on the phone

this morning vith Bob, and you needn't know anything about it."

AIr. D tSH. .&11 right. WVhat did you do after that ?

WLr. STRXCH.x5'. I called ,Mr. Hifflby, because I didn't really believe

that Magruder had tallied to X[r. Haldeman, Haldeman was down intev 3iscavne. NIr. HigbV told me yes, in fact Magruder had talkedwith Mr. Haldeman and XIr. Ehrlichman vas handling the entire

matter.

Zfr. Dash. &11 right. Noxv, at that point were you concerned about

any parıicular thing ?

ZIr. SI~ClIAh-. Pardon ?

Zk. DASH. At that point having learned that WIr. Haldeman nova

had spoken to Sir. Magruder and was informed, did a concern come

into your mind ?

Mr. STRAC}L&h'. Yes, I expected over the entire weekend Mr. Halde

man to call me and ask me what I knew, if I knew anything why I hadnot reported it to him, the usual very tough questions he would ask.

XIr. DASH. Did you begin at that time to suspect any problem that

Mr. Haldeman may have with regard to this ?

Sir. STR\CH.NN. WNTell, you have to draw one of three conclusions:

Either he knew about it ahead of time; either he didn't except'meto report to him, or he had received a report and had calmed down.

Mr. DASH. Did you arrive at any one conclusion ?

Mr. STRACHADf. It vaS either one of the latter two, either he knew

or he didn't expect me to report to him.

Mr. DASH. What did you do after you learned that he had heard

about it, what did you do yourself?

Sir. STRACHAN. I didn't do anything. The White House lows indicate

that I vas in the XVhite House for a minute Sunday, I don't know

what that was for.

The next day, Monday

Mr. DASH. Monday was June 19, 1972 ?

Mr. STRACHAN. That is correct.

Mr. DASH. All ri.oht.

Mr. STR\CHAN. I began going through my files, Mr. Haldeman's

files, to see if there were anv indications of any information that would

be in any way related to this act.

Mr. DASH. AVell, did you come to any conclusion as to whether there

was anything in the files that would be m any way related ?

Mr. STRACHAN. Yes. I pulled out several documents, most partic

ularly the political matters memorandum No. IS.

31r. DASH. And that was the one that referred to the sophisticated

intelligence plan ?

AIr. iTR\CHANt. That is correct.

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and your activities as chief of staff did not limit itself to just theadministrative functions. As a matter of fact, even in Mr. Ehrlichman'srole vou would, from time to time, be asked by the President andwould make expressions with regard to policy; would vou not?Mr. HALDEMAN. blot to any great extent on policy, Nfr. Dash. I

would on procedure or the question of whether everything thatshould

be available was available to the President in a policy decision matter,but not an opinion as to whether this was the policy we should pursue

Ol should not pursue.Burr. DASH. Would you be asked from time to time by the Presidentconcerning your views on various policy issues?Mr. HALDE3DAAN. I am sure from time to time, but not as a regularprocess, and I would not avant to imply that I was a part of the policy-mal;in(r process in terms of substance. I was in terms of procedure.3Ir. DASH. You spent quite a bit of time with the President in yourworlcing day; did you not?

Alar. HALDAFDAFAAN-. Yes, I did.

Mr. DASH. As a matter of fact, you traveled with the President, andspent more time with the President than perhaps anyone else otherthan Ok. Ehrlichman; would that be true?

Stir. HALDEMAN-. That is correct.

ALlr. DASH. Now, could you tell us what your direct staff did thataided you in carrying out your administrative functions?Stir. HALDEA1AN. My direct personal staff consisted of one or two,depending on the period of time, one or two administrative assistants,and several secretaries, and that was it. The administrative staff in theWAThite House was supervised by the staff secretary, and he had respon-sibility for the operations of the mechanics of the White House, thesupport units and that sort of thing. Then as X^\Ir. Butterfield hasdescribed to you, as my deputy, he had responsibility for a number ofspecific areas of AX'hite House operations. I don't knonv if vou avant meto get into details on that or not.AWIr. DAslr You mentioned Gordon Strachan. What was GordonStrachan's position with you ?JIr. H SLDEAtAX. He was a staff assistant to me.for. D.\SH. When did he become a staff assistant to you ?

A5tr. HALDEMAN. Probably in 1970.

f A\tr. D.\SH. Send also what svas for. Hi«y's role with J-OU ?^Nlr. HALDEM.xN. He also was staff assistant or administrativeassistant.Mr. DASH. A?FOW! could you distinguish between the two roles, Stir.Strachan's role and A3tr. Higby's role ?AMr. HALDE3tAN-. Yes. 3Ir. Hiaby had been in that position withme during the campaign, in fact he had been with me in private busi-ness before I joined the campaign, and—Atr. DASH. lVas this the advertising business you testified to?Mr. HALDEAtAN-. Yes, sir, yes.He was my principal assistant, if you want to describe it that was,and was thoroughly familiar with all of the operations of my office,backed me up, handled phone calls and correspondence for me, over-saw the operation of my office., and handled contact for me with anllmhar af t.h~ ather rrlminirt.rstivo ^flS^PA in the. White FfOuse.

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10. At 7:32 a.m. on June 19, 1972 Attorney General

Kleindienst telephoned the Acting Director of the FBI L.

Patrick Gray in Palm Springs, California, and stated that

Kleindienst wished to be briefed on the investigation of the

break-in at the DNC headquarters. Kleindienst told Gray that

the President wanted to talk to Kleindienst

about it that day or possibly thenext day.

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136

10.1 L. Patrick Gray notes of telephoneconversation,

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10.1 L. PATRICK GRAYNOTES

10.1 NOTE:

The notes which follow were furnished to the House Judiciary Committee staff by L.

Patrick Gray on April 30, 1974. Mr. Gray identified the bracketed portion as referring to a

conversation which Mr. Gray had with Attorney General Kleindienst about a conversation that

Kleindienst was expecting to have with the President about Watergate. Mr. Gray stated that he

told Mr. Kleindienst that W. Mark Felt, Acting Associate Director of the FBI, would be

available later that day to brief the Attorney General on the status of the FBI's Watergate

investigation.

Certain words and phrases which are difficult to read in Mr. Gray's handwritten notes were

clarified by Mr. Gray and are included in the typed copy.

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haul L. PAfXICX GSY NOTES

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NYT

Fri 6/16/72

Frankfort, Ky. June 15

The proposed amendment to the U.S. Const. guaranteeing . equal rights to both sexes reached the halfway t)Oillt in its progress toward

ratification today when lty. became the 19th state to approve it. A total of 38 states must rati fy the amendment before it becomes part of the Constitution.

Two states have rejected ratification.

Mon 6:36 L'4 TCT WAIF f row Palm Springs

6-19-72 FBI Op connected me wi th 'flFO; twi ce .

Finally told him to have WMF call me direct.

tie called just shortly after I left to go to Mass -

7Sometime today or possibly tomorrow RAY is going towant to talk to me. Is there anyone there who can

come to brief me today this P,-t? Yes WMY.

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6-19-72 7:35 AM T(.T Farris Lucas

10:00 Ad.

9 :00 AIM . Opening C e o Any

9: 3() EM AG Younger.

Farris Lucas 9:50LNi 10.00 AMLPGIII

Break .

Mon

*_-19-72 8:00 A.r4 TCF WMF

We do not have too much this AM

> I have a Memo. to HRII & to AG.

Reed ' s memo

Approx 12 :00AM 6/17/72 5 arrestedinof c.

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Viol of D C

Code

HE WAY BE A

CONSULTANT AT_ _ _ _ -

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LPG

,thy ?

Had in their possess. burglary tools & eavesdropping eq.

Opened panel. _ . . .

'All charged w/ burglaE y-

4 Held in lieu of $50,000 bailtic Cord " " 30,000Dollars on them

Background .

Chk of E. Howard Hunt $63°.

I{unt employed by CIA to 4/70

We conducted an inves . for W.ll . in 19 71

for a sensitive post some 9 mo ago

Caddie advised YOGI he rec'd a

call at 3 Ar4 from a person he refuses to

identi f y

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i end| Disclosure

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ARE •;E I ANIT SOLIDLY FOCI Inves. of

YES stat. is continuing

251118USC251

identify Chap 119

Title 18 [unreadable

interception of CommunicatioE3No. Do not send.

What do you think of our conducting a sweep of

Demo llq for other devices. Not yet; can h d for 24 or 48 hrs but it is a normal investigation technique.

On the front page there this Aft.

A Collateral piece on page 7 "Experts Heap Scorn on Bungled Caper at Demo. :4at'l. Ilq."

Our Lab says this is sophisticated equipment

Recovered bullet from Wallace; can make no positive ident. on this bullet - probably from

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USAgoiTlg to G . J ._ _ _ _

Discuss wit

2GK the cancellation_ _ _ _ _ _

of the Domestic taps_ _ _ _ _ _

& Get his assurance_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

DJ to Live FBI

written instructions__ _ _ _ _ _ _

Carol just handed

P 1 armedon Cas eD_

S. Ct. outlawed wiretap of Domestic Subversives.

(1) Prior jud approval required for type of surveillance

(2) Where Govt illegally eavesdrops, it must turn over Evi to def

(3) Indiv rt. of privacy need no longer yield to Govt's rt-lto Presentaves8XopPing

(4) In '67 S Ct found E ectronlc E W!° ct per violated 4tn A but said permissible in for.threats - EN took position that this was

applicable to domestic threats

,, Cave hr.4l4" i_t ction.s as to how to handle t_e addressing

8 Domestic of the memo; meet 16t wi h _ 1: & brief him on facts;

Taps jive him my views re_he overall approach to

? inves. w|c case - no holds barred.

WMF not sure of Exact no.

_hap 119 Tit IS USC

Interception & Disclosure Prohibited

Mfr Distrib &PossessionOf these devices "Conf iscation -

Immuni tyProhibition of Use as Evi

Authorization of Use of Wiretap

" of Disclose

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11. In the morning or early afternoon of June 19, 1972 Ehrlichman

told John Dean to look into the question of White House involvement in

the break-in at the DNC and to determine Howard Hunt's White House

employment status. Dean has testified that he then spoke to Charles

Colson regarding Colson's knowledge of the break-in and Hunt's status

and that Colson denied knowledge of the event, but expressed concern over

the contents of Hunt's safe. Dean has also testified that he spoke

to Gordon Liddy, who advised of his and Magruder's involvement in the

planning and execution of the break-in. Thereafter Ehrlichman

received a report from Dean that Dean had spoken to Liddy and to law

enforcement officials, that law enforcement officials were aware that

the matter went beyond the five persons who were apprehended, that

Liddy wag involved, and that there was a further direct involvement

of the CRP.- - - - -

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11.1 John Dean testimony, 3 SSC 932-34 ...............................................................................................144

11.2 John Dean testimony, Watergate Grand Jury,

November 19, 1973, 48-50 (received from

Watergate Grand Jury) ...................................................................................................................................147

11.3 John Ehrlichman testimony, 7 SSC 2821-22....................................................................................150

11.4 John Ehrlichman testimony, 6 SSC 2582-83....................................................................................152

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I returned from this 4-day trip to the Far East on the morning of

June 18. When I landed in San Francisco, after 20 hours offl~ingf, I called my assistant, Fred Fielding, to check in and tell himthat I xvas going to spend an additional day in San Francisco to getsome sleep before I returned to Washington and, accordingly, I wouldnot be in the office until Tuesday. It lvas at this time that I first leas nedfrom lair. Fielding of the break-in at the DA-C headquarters AIr. Field-inp told me that he thought I should return home immediately as theremight be a problem and that he would fill me in when I got home. Irecall that at first I resisted, but Sir. Fielding, who xvas slot explicit at

that time, told me I should come back so that he could fill me in.

Accordingly, I flexv back to Washington and arrived on Sunday

evening. I had a brief conversation with Mr. Fielding and he informedme that he had learned from Jack Caulfield that .AIr. AIcCord fromthe reelection committee was among those arrested in the Democratic:N'ational Committee headquarters on Saturdav and also that one ofthe Cubans arrested had a check that vas made outby Hoxvard Huntto some country club. I recall that my immediate reaction seas thatChuck Colson svas probably involved. I lvas tl'UIy exhausted at thispoint so I told AIr. Fielding that I couldn't do anything at that time

and I went to bed without doing a thing.

On Monday morning, June 19, I arrived at my office about 9:1a,

my normal arrival time at the office. Althile reading the nelvs accountsof the incident, I received a call from Jack Caulfield who repeatedv hat Stir. Fielding had told me on Sunday evening. AIr. Caulfield in-formed me that he had received the information from Atr. Bogus ofthe Secret.Service. I next received a call from Atr. Magruder and, asbest I can recall, Magruder said something to the effect that this mightcreate some problems and I should look into it. He also stated thatthis lvas all Liddy's fault and he volunteered a felv harsh epithetsregarding Liddy. I also recall Magruder mentioning something abouthow the committee avas going to handle the matter publicly but I can-not remember specifically what he stated regarding this. I told 3Ia-gruder that I had just arrived back in the country and did not knowany of the facts surrounding the incident, but I avoid look into it.

I next received a call from Ehrlichman, xrho instructed me to find

out what I could and report back to him. I advised Ehrlichman ofmy call from Magruder and told him I probably should talk toL;ddy—he agreed. I recall that Ehrlichman told me to find out vhatColson's involvement vas in the matter and he also suggested I speakwith Mr. Kleindienst to see vhat the Justice Department knew aboutit. I told him I vould report back to him after I talked AVith Liddv.'I next received a call from Gordon Strachan who said he vanted tomeet with me. I informed him that I could slot be able to meet withhim until early in the afternoon. He said he would drop by my office

after lunch.

I next talked with Chuck Colson on the phone. I asked him what he

knew about the incident and he •-ehementlv protested that he linearnothing and had no involvement in the matter whatsoever. Colsonadvised me that Ehrlichman had spoken Title him earlier rewarding

AIr. Hunt, earlier during that weekends and Colsoll said that eve shouldget together with Ehrlichman as soon as possible. I recall asking

Colson if I-Iunt still worked for him and again he became very de-

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fensive and stated that he v-as merelv on his pavroll as a consultantbecause Ehrlichrnan had so requested. He aslied me to determine ifHunt svas still on his payroll and I said I would check Colson alsoexpressed concern over the contents of Hunt's safe. Several lveekslater—probably 4 or a—I learned from Paul O'Brien, v ho lvasrepresentillte, the reelection committee, that he had learned from AIr.Hunt's attorney, Air. William Bittman, that Hunt and Colson spoke011 the telephone over the weekend of June 1 M--18, and that Hunt had

told Colson to pet the materials out of his—Hunt's~ffice safe.

AIr. Hugh Sloan called me to tell me he xvas unworried. At that time

I knew of no reason why AIr. Sloan should be worried so I told himnot to worry. He told me that he va-ould like to meet with nle and Itold him that I was trainer to find out what had happened and re-quested eve meet in a few days. I do not recall the precise date ore did

meet.

I next contacted Liddy and asked him to meet with me. He said he

should come to my office. Xs he came into the office I xvas on my wayout. I suggested vre take a walk. It eras shortlv before noon and sve

v alked down 17th street toward the Corcoran Gallery.

I svill try to reconstruct the conversation to the best of m) memory.

While I cannot recall every detail, I do indeed recall the major items

nve discussed.

Mr. Lidd) told me that the men who had been arrested in the DA-C

vrere his men and he expressed concern about them. I asked him M:hVhe had men in the DISC and he told me that Atagrtider had pushedhim into doing it. He told me that he had not wanted to do it, butMagruder had complained about the fact that thev xvere not gettinggood information from a bug they had placed in the DISC sometimeearlier. He then explained something about the steel structure of theWatergate Office Building that svaS inhibiting transmission of the bugand that thev had gone into the buildin,rew to correct this problem. Hesaid that he had reported to Magruder that during the earlier entrvof the DSC offices they had seen documents—which I believe he toldme nvere either Governrnent documents or elassified documents—and

Magruder had told him to malce copies of those documents.

Liddy vas very apologetic for the fact that thev had been caught and

that AIr. WIcCord avas involved. He told me tilat lle had used Afr.3IcCord only because Ataerudel had cut his budget so l)adlv. I askedhim why one of the men had a check from AIr. Holvald HliElt and hetold me that these men Revere friends of Hunt and Hunt had ptlt himin touch with them. I do not recall [,iddv disenssilla anv further in-volvement of Hunt, other than Hunt-s putting him in touch with theCubans. I asked him if anyone from the Mrhite l-Iollse m-as inz-ols-ed

and he told me no.

As the conversation ended he again expressed his apolon and his

concern about the men in jail. I told him I eouldll t help and he said heunderstood. He also told me that he vfas a soldier anal lvould never tall;.He said if anvone Ravished to shoot him 011 the street. he lvas readv.-IS ave parted I said I would he Imable to discuss this with him furthers

He said he nodes stood and I returned to mV office.

After retlllnin(r to mV officee I arranged n meeting with Fl)lliellmall

ill his office for mid-;lftel neon STordoll vAtl acll:lwi callle to ma office

shortlv a titer r had met \N ith T,id(l! . Stl ;le hall tolil nle that he hail been

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11. 2 JOHN DEAN TESSIMO2'/Y. ;UiVE 25. 2973, 3 SS: 932-34

instructed by Haldeman to go through all of WIr. Haldeman's filesover the weekend and remove and destroy damaging materials. Iketold me that this material included such matters as memorandums frontthe reelection committee, documents relating to wiretap informationfrom the DNC, notes of nmeetillgs with Haldeman, and a documentwhich reflected that Haldeman had instructed AIngruder to transferhis intelligence gathering from Senator AIuskie to S;enator McGovern.

Strachan told me his files were completely clean.

I spoke with Sir. Isleindienst and he told me that both the FBI

and the D.C. Metropolitan Police were investigating, and he assumedthat the FBI would take full jurisdiction of the case shortly He alsoalluded to his encounter with Liddy at Burning Tree Country Club,but did not explain this in full until I later met with him. I do nothave a record of when I met with 3Er. Eleindienst, but it was eitheron AIonday, the l9th, or the next day. I will describe that meeting

shortly.

I met with Ehrlichman in the mid-afternoon and reported in full

my conversation with Liddy. I also told Ehrlichman about the earliermeetings I had attended in NIitchell's office in late Januarv and earlvFebruary and my subsequent conversation with Haldeman. He toldme he wanted to meet later with Colson and told me to attend. Ehrlich-man also requested that I keep him advised and fincl out from theJustice Department on what was going on. I did not mention my con-versation with Strachan because I assumed that Ehrlichman was aware

of this from Haldeman himself.

Later that afternoon I attended a second meeting in Ehrlichman's

office with Colson. I recall Ehrlichman asking where Hlmt was. I saidI had no idea and Colson made a similar statement. At that point. be-fore the meeting had started, Ehrlichman instructed me to eall Liddyto have him tell Hunt to get out of the country I did this. withouteven thinking. Shortly after I made the call, howcscr, I realized thatno one in the A57hite House should rive such an instrll(tioll find raisedthe matter. A brief discussion ensued between Ehrlichman and mvself.As I recall, Ehrlichman said that he lvas not a nutritive from jlistice.so whv not. I said that I did not think it was very wise. At this point.Colson chimed in that he also thought it unwise find lEhrlichmanagreed. I immediately called LiddV again to retract the request but heinformed me that he had already passed the message and it mieht be

too late to retract.

Follolvint, this brief telephone skirmish rewarding I-lunt's travel

plans, the meeting turned to Hunt's status at the Xtlite House. I hadlearned from Fred Fielding, who I had asked to check ()n it, that Hunthad not drawn a cheek from his Mtite House consultantship since lateAlarch of 19s'). Bllt as far as I knew, the records indicated that Huntwas still a White House consultant to Colson. After discussions of thisbv Colson, lV]10 at this point was disowning Htlnt SIS a member of hisstaff^ Ehrlichman called arl . Psruee Kehlli and requested that he bringHllllt's personnel records RID to Ehrlichmall's office. Before Ivehrli ar-riveds Colson raised the matter of Hunt's safe. Jolson, ~vithont gettingsr)ecifien said it was imperative that someone get the eolltellts of Hunt'ssafe. Colsoll nested. anti F,hl lichmall conellrred. that I take custodv

of the contents of the safe.

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11. 2 JOHN DEAN TESTIMt7NY, FOVEMER 19, 1973, WATERGATE GRAND JURY, 48-50

QAnd what did you Bell Mr. Ehrlichman?

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Well, I reported to Mr. Ehrlichman everything that Liddy had told me and I recall recounting back

to him, trying to put all the pieces I had available at that point together, by telling him about the meetings;.which had

occurred in the Attorney General's Office Sn January and February of '72.

Q Those were the meetings at which Liddy presented his intelligence programs? i A That ' s correc t .

Q Did Mr. Ehrlichman again mention that he was going to meet with Mr. Colson later that afternoon?

A He did. He mentioned that Mr. Colson was seeking a meeting and that he wanted me to be present in that

meeting when it took place.

Q Did Mr. Ehrlichman also mention to you, on June 19th, at some time, that you ought to contact the Justice

Department to find out what was going on in the investigation? Yes, he did. And what did you do about that, if anything? I

called Mr. Kleindienst and had a conversation with Mr. Kleindienst and I later saw Mr. Kleindienst.

Q Now, during these first few conversations with Mr. Ehrlichman, after the Watergate break-in, did he

instruct you to conduct an investigation and to determine whether anyone

in the White House was responsible or had knowledge of the

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Watergate break-in? Give you a specific instruction to conduct a Watergate investigation?

A I wouldn't say it was an instruction to conduct an

investigation. He just told me to keep my eyes and ears open I and learn what I could.

Q Did Mr. EhrlSchman, or anyone else in the White House, ever give you a specific instruction

to conduct an investigation into this matter, telling you that it was your responsibility to make a

determination of the facts and determine whether anyone in the White House was involved or

re.sponsible?

A Well, I wouldn't say that it was really until late August, when it was reported that I had

conducted such an investigation, that there ever became any semblence of such an investigation and,

after that, when it had been put on the public record that I had conducted an investigation, I began to pretend

like 1 had conducted an investigation.

But I am unaware of ever being instructed to do an investigation, because I would have

proceeded much differently if I was investigating. I was merely sort of catch as catch can .

Q Was this -- did it naturally fall to you, as counsel to the President, as a person who had had formal

liaison with

_. the 'Justice Department, and the informal contacts there, to be

?.51the person at the White House most aware of what was going on

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11. 2 JOHN DEALS TESTIMONY. NOVEMBER 19. 1973. WATERGATE CRAND STORY /D SA

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A Well, with things like this, what would generally happen is that after Mr. Haldeman and Mr. Ehrlichman

would either lose interest or get consumed in something else, it would fall to me to be the man to follow up and

continue the liaison and keep them abreast of what I was learning.

Q Are you speaking now about legal matters and Justice Department matters, generally?

A No, I can't say that generally, no, because, for example, antitrust areas were something I very

seldom got into.

Q I'mean you are not speaking simply of Watergate9

A No, I'sn not. I'm thinking of other instances where things were rather active for a while and they die off.

I'm thinking of the Lithuanian defecter problem, where everyone had their hands in it for a while and then, when it

fell to the dailyjob of keeping abreast of what was happening, when it wasn't in the headlines, that was my job.

I'm thinking of the Calley case, where there was a great flurry of activity, and when it got down to,

you know, following daily what indeed was happening to Mr. Calley, that was my office. That's the way things generally

happened there

Q Naw, on June 19th, did you also have a meeting with Cordon S trachan?

- !, A Yes, I did.

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11. 3 JOHN EHRLICHMAN TESTIMONY, JULY 27., 1973: 7 SSC 28?1-22

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for the action of the President of the Ignited states, that such plansare carefully researched and evaluated. Would that be a fair

assumption ?

Senator BARER. AIr. Chairman, that is not the +vav eve are going to

conserve time. I think what eve are goinv through llO\V is evidence thatthis committee is in fact tired. But that isv the question of whether it'sevidence or not is something that eve nvill pass on. and I franklv amnot interested in what this witness thinks about Tether it is or is notevidence. I am interested in what he knows or doesn't lznonv. I re-

spectfully recommend that Tve move on to hard evidence.

Senator ERVrN. The svitness has stated that he lmenv nothing about

these documents. and the documents are in evidence and the committeecan draw such conclusions from the documents. I don t believe that thewitness ought to be compelled to testify about matters that he said he

knew nothing about.

Mr. DASH. But you did testify, Mr. Ehrlichman, that in March of

this year you spoke to the President and discussed this particular entryand he said that he knew that it Tvas legal and justified for nationalsecurity. Did he mention to you that he had received any kind of a con-

trary advice at any other time ?

Wir. EHRLICH3IAN-. Well now, that question makes an assumption not

in evidence, Mr. Dash, that the President said he Lmesv it divas legal. Idon't believe I have ever testified to that. maybe some other v itnesshas, but I don't know where you got that idea. I could not answer the

question with that assumption in it.

Mr. DASH. I thought that nvaS your testimony. I asked you the tlues

tion earlier whether or not in March you talked to the President andthe President said that he believed it lvas legal and justified for

national securitv and I thought vou answered in the affirmative.

Mr. EHRt,ICH:WAN. NVell, I certainly xvoulel not avant to give vou t.he

impression that the President had given me a legal opinion on this atthat time. But what the President said avas that he felt that it wasimportant, and it was necessary, that in the context of the massivethefts, the turnover to the Russian Embassy and all the context of thatoperation that he certainly could not criticize the men Who had under-taken this in good faith believing that thev vrere responding to the

urgency of the circumstances.

Mr. DASH. All right. The testimony you do leave with the committee

is that your onvn personal evaluation as to its legalit.v divas a recent one

after advice of counsel ?

Mr. EHIlLICTI:tIAN-. Well. I certainly Could not viant to leave that

impression either, AIr. Dash, and I would simply stand on my actual

answers.

# Mr. DASH. WVell, the record svill so show.

Nosv, von testified that you met and in eSect your lot, sholvs that you

met tsvice with Afr. Dean on June 19,197-'., which was ° davs after thebreak-in at the Watergate, once at noon, alone, and again at 4 p.m. withAfr. (Larson, AIr. (?olson, and Atr. Rehlli. },toxv at the noon meetingwith Air. T)ean, ca.n voU aisle llS your recollection as to what that meet-infr lvas about and ~vhet.her you were discussing the Watergate break-inw

Afr. FTlTsT.lC113[AN-, Yes; I believe He ~rere, and I believe that it was

basically to determine between us the inquiries which I felt he ought to

make ilk order to try to determine what had taken place.

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Mr. DASH. Did he not at that time report to you that he had spoken to Mr. Liddy 2

Air. E~CH3IAN. ~'0, I don't believe. so.lAlr. L',asu. He made no report at that time to you as to any of the investigations he had made during the

day of the l9,th'2Air. };}4~cuzr~N-. 1 have the impression that Ak. Dean hadn't been at ivory very long at that time, and

that he Novas just getting started.

lilt. I)ASEI. All right.

Now, at 4 p.m., xvllat was the purpose of the meeting with ink. Dean, Mr. (Lawson, 1&~'. Jolson, andAir. Sehrli'2

fair. i;lIRLlCHlSlAiS. 'the principal purpose, as I recall, was to be in a position to answer inquiries which,I guess, AIr. Clawson vas getting or the press people were getting, about Hunt's White House status, ofwhether he was still an employee of the AVhite House, if not vhen he had terminated and under whatcircumstances, and so forth.

AIr. L'7ASH. And isn't that X hen AIr. liehrli was brought up to check the record 2 Would Mr. Rehrlihave the record of that ?

hIr. ES~CHMAN. Mr. Rehrli was the staff secretary and •vould have to be involved in any discussion ofthat kind. There vas another subject or tVfO discussed at the time but as I recall, that was the precipltatingquestion.

Mr. DAS1I. Well, aside from Mr. Hunt on Ale payroll, wasn't the focus at that meeting on the question ofHunt himself ? Hunt's status at the White House and also the question that Mr. Hunt had a safe in the NVhiteHouse and that the safe outrht to be opened ?

Wasn't that part of the discussion ?Mr. EERL:ICH)rAN. Yes, it was, as I previously testified.Fir. DASH. Yes.

And actually that safe •vas opened at that time on the evening of the 19th?

Mr. E1RRLICHMAN. I don't know. I think it must have been either that evening or the next morning.

Mr. DASH. Now, what was the Concern and who brought up the concern of what the contents of bIr.Hunt's safe would show 8

Mr. EERLIC:EI]!IAN. I don't recall, AIr. Dash. Somebody at the meeting.

I think the way i t came up svas not so much a personal concern as i t was an inquiry by the

investigation—either the Metropolitan Police and/or the FBI, as to whether Hunt had any belongings ill the

White House.

Mr. DASH. Now, on June 20, 1972, you met at 9 o'clock with Mr. Haldeman and AIr. Mitchell joined by

Mr. Dean at 9:45, joined by Attorney General Iileindienst at 9:55, and then at 10:30 you had a meeting with

the President.

Was that also a followup to find out what was going on in terms of Watergate?

Mr. EHRLICH3EAN. I think this was the process of trying to get everybody together who might know

anything,, to trv and get a picture of what the investigation was going to be, whether these might be other

people involved just what the—to trV and get the campaign direetor and the head of the Dep::trtment of

Justice and everybody together in one place to ask questions.

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Sen.ttol BAKER. Did J'OU asli him if it had been brought to his nttention of—if the President knewabout it ?

Arr. I~~lllLICllAtAN-. A-0; I aln quite sure I diclnt. Tllat is clot somethingthatIlvould ordinarily putinthatxvayto ar~.Ilaldeman.

Senator B.\ISER. A0'ell, did >roll put it in any svav to Ak. Haldemall ?

Atr. EEIRI.IC}IAt.tS-. A-0; I didn't believe so.

AIy assumption is that nexvS of that kind gets to the President forthXVitil.

Senator BAKER. Well, did J'OII ask what the President thought about it if you assumed that ?

Mr. El{RLICTlAtAN-. N O. no.

Senator B.sliEe. A11 right, sir; go ahead.

Sir. El[RLICtlZrAN-. I don't think I did anything else with relation to that subject matter on that Sundav.At least. I can't recall anvthin(r.

-On Mondays I had a meeting with John Dean in midday and xve

discussed this, really, in terms of two aspects. One lVQS the White House

Iinvolvement question, and I asked him to see if he could get that solved

in short order—that is. xvas Hunt a WVhite House employee or not, whatxvas his status and so forth ? Because that nvas still lingering as an openquestion.

Second, it was obvious that this leas going to be a campaign issue and I•vasconcerned about knowingeverytllin~~that I could knoviso that, when Ron Ziet,ler and the Presidential party got back to town. evesvould be in shape to sit down and talk about its implications in terms of its being a political issue.

Senator B.\RER. 3tr. Ehrlichman, it occurs to me, and I may be entirely •vrong, but it occurs +o me that ifsomeone on mV staff, even remotelv on my staff, xzere charred with breaking and entering into the DemocraticNational Committee headquarters or someone lvas even associated with it in a ne vspaper column, that ITVoUld be determined to find out if that happened.

Nolv, divas there this air of urgency in the WNrhite House on your part or Haldeman's part or Dean's part,?Is it not comina through that lvay? It sounds like a routine staff operation. But this wasn't a routine staffoperation.

Mr. EI-IRLICH3XAN-. Point 1, he wasn't on my stat But that is

beside the point.

I think there •vas a sense of the political implications of this thing. It •vas a dumb, shocking,unredeemable kind of thing for people connected with the Committee To Pce-Elect to have done to theDemocrats. There isn't any lvay of glossing it.

And certainly. the Democrats svere Coins to exploit this if thev possibly could. The fact that there mightbe a White House connection •vas really the central problem in this as far as I was concerned.

Senator B.\l;ER. Wllen did you firstlearnthatthislvasorchestrated by people who xvere connected with theCRP?

Sir. ET{RLIC113C.\N-. T0rell, AIcCord xvas in it right from the fil'St minute, and I am sure I learned ofthat connection on the evening nesvs 01- some •vay, so that I knew light from the first dav that these

•vas a, literallv a, CRP employee involved in this thilia.

Senator ~.\ivER. Al7hell clicl yotl fincl out that it lvas mole than just a CRP employee?

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Mr. EHnLICl:I3tAN. I do not think that I~vell, and, of course,

Boggs' call said Hunt—Hunt, vith a SVhite House designation onthe slip or the card or whatever it xvaS. So there lvas that warning

light on right from that moment.

I do not think I kne v about Liddy and his involvement until after

Dean reported back late on the 19th or early on the 20th, something

like that time.

Senator BARER. What did Mr. Dean report to you?

Sir. EHRLICHBrAN-. He reported to me that he had—I should go back

to vhat I asked him to do and I guess I pretty lvell finished with that.I expressed my concern on these two fronts. And when he came back,he said he had talked to Liddy and that he had also talked to thepeople at the Justice Department or the police department, or some-xvhere, and had a feel for this thing. Ancl he said, the Justice Depart-ment or the la v enforcement people, anyway, lvere aware that thismatter vent beyond just the five felio vs who xvere caught and thatLiddy divas involved and it nvas just a matter of time before he wouldbe picked up, and that there divas a further direct involvement of the

CRP in this.

Senator BARER. All right. That was on what, the lath of June ?

Mr. EHRL[CIIAtAN. I believe it svas either the close of business on

the lfth or the next day.

Senatol B.\l;ER. Stop at that point, Err. Ehrlichman. feet us explore

as the saying goes in this committee, that point in time. Let us see what

vou did TVitlI that information.

At that point, John Dean, who xvas counsel to the President, indi

cated to Lou that Liddy was involved, that others at the CRP svereinvolved, and it would be just a matter of time before others svere

picked alp and implicated, and broadly implied, based on your testi-nony just now, that the CRP xvas deeply involved in this situation.

what did you do with that information ? Did you piek up the tele

phone and call the President, did you call Haldeman? AVhat did you

do with it?

WIr. EIIRT.IClI)tAN-. I think by that time the President and the travel

in~ party xvere on their lvay back. I believe that this meeting that nvasheld on Tuesday morning vas held at my instance and it involved 3Ir.Atitehell, the Xttorney General, AIr. Haldeman, and me, and JohnDean. And this lvas for the purpose of gathering as much informationas possible at the top levels, and seeing what ought to proceed from

that, M hat next step ought to be taken from that point forlvard.

Senator BAKER. Take the one part of my question that I put in sev

eral parts. T)id any of you call the President or convey to the Presidentthe infol mation that Liddy and others involved with the CRP were go-ing to be involved and identified with the break-in to the Democratic

sational headquarters?

WI. . E}lRLICllBtAN. I did not, Senator. I am not sure whether this was

impat ted to the President bv anybody else.

Senator B.\1;ER. W\rell, AIr. F,hrlichman, to pursue that point just

One step fultllel, did you then know or have Lou since learned that asof ,JIllle 1'), 19/Q. sonleolle slid impart that inform;ltioll to the Presi-dent—that is. that Liddy, 31cCord, Hunt, and others at the CRP vere

involved in the break-in?

Sir. EIIRLICllZ[AN. I do not knolv that of my o vn knonvledp.

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12. On June 19, 1972 the President telephoned Charles Colson from

Florida and spoke with him for approximately one hour ending shortly

before noon. The break-in at the DNC headquarters was discussed.

12.1 Meetings and conversations between the President

and Charles Colson, June 19, 1972 (received fromWhite House)..............................

12.2 Charles Colson draft statement prepared for

delivery to the SSC, September 1973,. 1, 6-8

(received from SAC).......................

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12.1 MEETISCS MD MNERSATIONS eETEgG THE PRESIDENT AliDCHARLES NELSON JUNg IS ~972

WIEET[iYGS AVID TE ' ,~'HOM'E CON',ri.RsStATIOW'S ';E15,, REN

TALE Pl'EStDEN'S AND CL-IAP.L,-ES I'!. COI,SC5t-

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AM 8:37 10:17 Carbine. Meeting in the Cabinet worn.

Mr. Colson attended.

June 1 S. 19 7Z

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to }fir. Colson (Efey Biscayne)

6:39 6:48 President placed a long distance call

to Mr. Colson (Key Biscayne)

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June 19, 1 9 7 2

AM 10:49 11:48 President placed a long distance call

to Mr. Colson (Key Biscayne)

June 20, 1 9 7 2

PM 2:}6 2:17 President placed local call to Mr. Colson

2:20 3:30 Presiden met with Mr. Colson in the

Presidents EOB of rice

8:0 s 8:21 President placed local call to Mr. Colson

11:33 12:05 AM President placed local call to lair. Colson

tgttUce; -Stl/tf A- ~--StUX

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CO>,en~nC st>._e~.[nent of Cl~~rl2s TT, ColScns

33e:tore Se].eci (fo~.,.7itew c) on ['-sês i tien~-~ .21- - - - - - - - - - - -

Came3a-~c,n ~\c: iv:ities, 'e;r:l teci SS aves Set _te- -

I appreciate the oppogtunity to present ttnis 0,72nin?

sta.ement to you;- Coir.mittee. I shall first at~_er:lpt to t'ne best

o.0~ rr.J7 recollection to recoun. my kno~\sledg2 or ene even~s

sl~rroundinct t7ne Watergate Affair.

I will 21so at-temlpt, lf I may, to g_X-e this C^mslit.ee

soane insighe into the mood and atr.osphe;-e w'nich existed in

-h2 xeThiFe house d7urinC t'.le oiixor. vears. I have ~0110X,7ed vn.trlp.oceedirGs to da7_e; it is clear that you a-Le seelKinS to de_e-[--

mire not only sIhat in fac, ha:?pened, but lt.hy e!nd nosf these

thlngs could have ha?perL2d.

AS TO Ttt-lE FACTS:

I firsL heard til26 there had been a burOlary at tre

Dem.ocrat-ic lMation21 Cc~-ml--tte2 h2adciu3-rters on the radio, Tt

;.c':' S~~'urr7a,7, J_ne 17, 197i'. I tino~:<<'nr it r,'?t-iS t10 ino-<e tkL-_r. an

OL'dL'U'.L'X' DU~O71LN -Y -'~ olle aloLe adtRitioil -o tI'e D.. C. c-~i.irte

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12.2 CH ELES COLSOA7 DS FT STATEMENT. SEPTEMBER 19?3. 1. 6 - 8

hich I believe tool place in my office --

John Dean told me that DIr. flung had 'been

ordered out of toe count y" or words to

that effect. I explocd2d, I said some-

thing to the effect that "that is the

dumbest thing I have ever heard; that

could make the White House a party to

a fugitive from justice charge." Mr.

Dean then went to a telephone. I do not

know who he called nor do I know who

issued the original instructions to which

Mr. Dean referred Mr. Dean did tell

me later that it was my reaction that

caused him to countermand the origina

order .

7. The President called me front Florida the

morning of June 19. As I recall, he asked

me what I Renew about what \*JaS going on.

In thuds and in subsequent conversations, he

seas quite obviously angered and incredulous

that anyone even remotely involved with the

Presidential caulpai~<n apparatus could have

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,Z2. 2 CHARLES CVLS01§° DUET SSSE'MERT SEPTEMBER 1923 17 6-E'

engaged in such conduct. As I recall my

initial conversations Edith the Press dent,

I merely explained that I had no idea what

had happened. I do recall several discussions

with the President during that and ensuing

weeks in which he expressed great annoyance

at the way in which the Committee for the

Re-election was being managed. He complainecg

bitterly that he had himself not been able

to devote any time to campaign matters or

organization and that he believed it was

overstaffed and ox7erpa-'d@ We expressed

his long-held belief that it was inad-

vis2ble to stair' a campaign organiz2tiorL

with people srirn.arily concerned With their

salaries; he said people should part Ligate

in a campaign because they believe in their

causes He said that the Corr~atittee had too

much money to spend, that tone Watergate

XfaS an example of the T;ind of misczttided

enterprise that results from too Couch

money. FEe told me on more than ore

occasion that he had ordered Or. Scalded em

12. 2 CHARI,XS dVLSON DRMS SSAS~EXT. SEPTEMBER 1973, 1, 6-8 8 .

to have the staff at the Committee re-

duced, to insure that no one zias being

paid ma re than they had made in prim

employment arid to get the management

of the campaign and the Coznlmi.tee under

tight contra 1.

()n Tuesday, June 20, 1972, the Washinaton star carried

a banner headline, "Colson Aide-Barker Tied.' It was i~.edia.ely

~ vious to me that the press would attempt to tie the Water-

gate into the finite House on the basis of Hunt's former associa-

.io;l wit'n me.' AccordinGly, I-immediately dictated a lm.eino~~

for the file detailing all contacts of any kind that I could

recall having- had With Hunt during the year 1972. A copy of

tenet credo was provided ~to your st Clef during cu'r~~~.Le'edn,,'^~vrr

ay 30

Although I loners that I had had no involvement in the

Watergate, I believed that it might become importanF to have an

2 C Curt t e re c ord .

One of tale thinks m.entio.-ed in the m2l..0ranci~.., ;T2S a

(160)

13. On June 19, 1972 Howard Hunt went to the Executive Office

Building and reviewed the contents of his safe. He determined that

the contents included cables Hunt had fabricated indicating a rela-

tionship between the Kennedy Administration and the assassination of

Vietnamese President Diem, materials relating to Gemstone, James

McCord's electronic equipment, and other material. Hunt thereupon

informed Charles Colson's secretary, Joan Hall, that Hunt's safe

contained sensitive materials.

Page

13.1 E. Howard Hunt testimony, 9 SSC 3672, 3689..................................................................................162

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13 .1 E. SOWED HUNT TESTIMONY, .SG'TABER 24, 1973, 9 SSC 3672, 3689

3672

At this early time of your emplovment at the White House, Mr. Hunt, did you have access to stateDepartment cables covering the period of the Diem assassination ?

Mr. HUT. I did.

Mr. DASH. Why did you have access to them ?

Mr. H1JNT. Because I had requested such access and it had been granted me,

Mr. DA8H. Now, in the review of these cables, did you notice any irregularity of sequence?

Mr. H1JNT. I did.

Mr. DASH. In what period did the gap in sequence occur ?

Mr. HUT. The period immediately leading up to the assassination of the Premier of South Vietnam.

AIr. DASH. Did vou show the cables to Mr. Colson and offer an interpretation of them 2

Mr. HUT. I showed him copies of those chronological cables, yes, sir.

Mr. DM.E] Ad what interpretation, if any, did you give him concerning the cablesa

Mr. Honor, I told him that the construction I placed upon the absence of certain cables was that thev hadbeen abstracted from the files maintained bv the Department of state in chronological fashion and that whilethere was every reason to believe, on the basis of an accumulated evidence of the cable documentation, thatthe Kennedy administration was implicitly, if not explicitly, responsible for the assassination of Diem and hisbrother-in-law, that there was no hard evidence such as a cable emanating from the White House or a replycoming from Saigon, the Saigon Embassy.

Mr. DASH. What was Mr. Colson's reaction to your statement and the showing of the cable to him ? Didhe agree that the cables were snfficient evidence to show anv relationship between the Kennedyadministration and the assassination of Diem ?

Mr. HUT. He did.

Mr. DASH. Did he ask you to do anything ?

XIr. HUT. He suggested that I might be able to improve upon the record. To create, to fabricate cables thatcould substitute for-the missing chronological cables.

I Mr. DASH. Did you in fact fabricate cables for the purpose of indi

I cating the relationship of the Kennedy administration and-the assas

I sination of Diem ?

L Mr. Ho. I did.

Mr. DASH. Did vou show these fabricated cables to Mr. Colson ?

Mr. HUNT. I did.

Mr. DASH. What was his response to the fabricated cables ?

Mr. HUNT. He indicated to me that he would be probably getting in touch with a member of the media, ofthe press, to whom he would show the cables.

Mr. DASH. And were you in fact put in touch with a member of the media ?

Mr. HUNT. I was.

Mr. DASH. Who was that ?

Mr. HINT. Mr. William Lambert of Life magazine.

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13 1 g HOWARD Hll~tr TR S?tMONY .SEP?F.MBF.R 24 IS7.S 3 .XC 367f, 36ffS

rMr. DASH. Did you take 'I ny money out of the safe ?

Mr. HEIST. Yes, sir, I did.

AIR'. DAS}I. Hoxv much ?

Mr. HE'N'T. I took out $10,000.

Mr. I)Aslr. Alrherc did you get that money ?

Ml. HE-NT. That lvas contingency money that had been provided me hV Mr. Liddy.

Atr. DAS}I. Contingency just in case there lvas this kind of trouble?

:\Ir. HlJN'T. Yes, sir; in case there rvas a mishap.

Mr. DASH. WNthat did J'OU do with that money ?

Mr. HUNT. I took it during the course of the early morning to Mr. Caddy's apartment and tave'it to him onbehalf of the five men who had been arrested.

Mr. I)ASH. Did you make an analysis or review of the contents of your safe at that time or a later time ?

Mr. HUNT. No, sir; not at that time.

Mr. DASH. Cohen did you, if you did ?

AIr. HIJA-T. Excuse me.

BIr. DASH. Mr. Hunt. this might help you. Do you recall returning to Sour office at the EOB and lookingthrough the contents of your safe ?

Mr. HIJ>-T. Yes, sir.

Mr. DASH. And do 1979 ?

.7\Ir. HUNT. Yes, sir.

you recall that that was on or about June 19,

Mr. DAswr. Just lerv brieflv, can you describe the contents of your safe at that time, what you had in there?

Atr. HASN'T. lXrell, there xvas a great deal of material, Mr. Dash.

Mr. DASH. Just by category

Mr. HASN'T. There nrere the fabricated Vietnamese cables that I had shown to Mr. Colson, AIr. Conein,and Mr. Lambert. There svas material relating to Gemstone; there vere transcripts of my conversations with Mr.Clifton De Motte, for example. There nvas a very substantial amount of material, part of which divas sho vnme at the time of discoverv by the l-.S. attorneV—perhaps I am not being respollsis-e.

Mr D.-v9H. Yes, you are being responsive. Did it also include the briefcase which included Mr. McCord'selectronic equipment ?

Mr. HUNT. Ohs J eS; that was there.

Mr. DASH. Nonv, did you inform anyone 011 that day of the contents of your safe ?

Mr.Has-T.Idid.

Mr. DASH. who lvas that ?

Fir. HASN'T. Mr. Colson's secretary.

Mr. DAS}I. what is her name ?

Mr. HASN'T. Her name lvas Mrs. Joan Hall.

ZIr. DAswr. Did you characterize or say anything about the contents ? Mr. HASN'T. Yes, sir; I did.

Mr. D.\SH. AN'hat did ) ou say ?

Mr. HUN'T. Before I deft the Kite House for the last time. I stopped by Mr. Colson's office, clot to see himbut simply to inform Mls. Hall. whom I linesv held the combination to mV safe, that it contained sensi

tire material. I simplv said to hel, '4I'just avant yoll to l;nonv that that safe is loaded."

(163)

14. During the afternoon of June 19, 1972 John Ehrlichman, Charles

Colson, John Dean, Bruce A. Kehrli, Staff Assistant to H. R. Haldeman,

and Ken Clawson, White House Deputy Director of Communications, met in

Ehrlichman's office and discussed Howard Hunt's White House employment

status. Colson stated that Hunt should have been terminated as a White

House consultant as of March 31, 1972. Kehrli was asked to and did

bring Hunt's employment records to Ehrlichman's office. These records

did not indicate that Hunt's consultant status had been terminated.

By memorandum dated June 19, 1972 Colson transmitted to Dean documents

relating to Hunt's status.

(By memorandum dated March 27, 1972 to Charles Colson, Hunt had

requested assistance in changing the annuity benefit option he had

selected upon retirement from the CIA. By memorandum dated March 30,

1972 to Kehrli, Richard Howard, Staff Assistant to Charles Colson, had

inquired respecting Hunt's situation. At the top of the original of

the Howard memorandum, there is a handwritten note: "Noble - Please

let me know on this w/o giving out any info. on the name of the fellow

we're trying to help. B." At the bottom of that memorandum there is a

handwritten note "OK - Drop as of April 1, 1972 BAK." On May 5, 1972

Hunt had written a letter on White House stationery to CIA General

Counsel Lawrence Houston, renewing his request respecting his benefit

Option and stating that he had discussed the matter with the White

House legal staff.)

14.1 John Ehrlschman log, June 19, 1972 (received

T)

age

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4l to2l o - 74 - l2

14.2 John lean testimony, 3 SSC 934 _

14.3 Memorandum from Charles Colson to John Dean, June 19,

197'', with attachments: memorandum from Richard Howardto Bruce Kehrli, March 30, 1972; memorandum from JoafkHall to Charles Colson, June 19, 1972. SSC ExhibitNo. 34-15, 3 SSC 1157-59....................................

14.4 John Ehrlichman testimony, 6 S.,C 2612 '

14.5 Charles Colson draft statement prepared for delivery to the

SSC, September 1973, 1, 2-4 (received from SSC)... - -

14.6 Memorandum from E. Howard Hunt to Charles Colson

170

173

174

.March 27, 1972, (received from SSC) 178

1E 7 List of Presidential assistants and their staffs(received from White

14.8 Copy of memorandum from Richard Howard to Bruce Kehrli,March 30, 1972, with Cox-Buzhardt correspondenceregarding the memorandum (received from Watergate

.Special Prosecution Force) 181

14.9 Original of memorandum from Richard Howard to BruceKehrli, March 30, 1972, with handwritten notations(received from White House)....................

14.10 Letter from E. Howard Hunt to Lawrence Houston, May 5,

.1972 (received from CIA), ............................................................................................................................................185


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14.1 JOHN EH E ICHM,V LOG JUNE' lg~ lg72

7Rt9AY, JusE lo, 1972

3:00 HRES o££ice

X:30 Ca;~inet sneeting

n vo President, Secretaries Richard-lvn, tıofi,:t,on tsiR 1)

12:':) Dr. Ed David

1:1)0 P.........sident2:20 Ten:nis evith Cole, Hullin, Harper

t:00 Roosevelc Room - p. r. group

7:00 Black •ie dinner with NIrs. Shouse followed oy

s:30 . _~lr_-r , , \

-Wo'.f Txa2 o?enina

N

3:1510:3012 .00

1 z :A5

1 :4)

,,Z 10 '4:oo5:1 3

8:30

T UES DAY, Jt

s Coo

8:1 5 •

9: oo9 :t59:5510:301 2:001:002:252:35

o :oo

4 00

5 :Oo6 :oo

Roosevelt Room

Dave Young, AValt Klinnich

John Dean

Lunch ivn bless with Dr. Williarn W.-lsh (hOPR:)

At. ':K1 ei r.di ens t

Ambassador Williatn lMiddendorf

_ _ Colson, Dean, K.ehrli, Xen ClE!~vson

Mark Ev,.ns, Clarence Arata, Cong. Ken Gray,'

John StaLler (Pres., I)C Board of Trade), Sallyanre P2yton

(DC A. ena)

Motion Picture Association - "Butterflies are Free"

J;!19: 20, 1972

HRH of'ice

Rooseveit Room

HRtrI, Mitchell

Joined by John Dean

Joineei 'oy AG Kleindienst

Presiqent

William Lane (per John Connally)

Lunch sstith Roy Williins - JDE of£ice

Car flt west basement

Senstor Gt if.in, Tozn Korolocosa Ed Morgan .

Senator Dennett, Toln Korologos

Soci21 Security - MacG.egor, Cook, Norologosa Cole,

Evans, Weiroerger, O'Neill

Hai r ClltJim Ganilon (LYail S'reet Jouril21)

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z z i!! ~ ! !~a4-z3

instructed by Haldeman to go through all of Mr. Haldeman's filesover the weekend and remove and destroy damaging materials. Iketold me that this material included such matters as memorandums fromthe reelection committee, documents relating to wiretap informationfrom the DNC, notes of meetings with Haldeman, and a documentwhich reflected that Haldeman had instructed 31ac,ruder to transferhis intelligence gathering from Senator Muskie to S;enator McGovern.

Strachan told me his files were completely clean.I spoke with bIr. Eleindienst and he told me that both the FBI

and the D.C. Metropolitan Police nvere investigating, and he assumedthat the FBI would take full jurisdiction of the case shortly He alsoalluded to his encounter with Liddy at Burning Tree Country Club,but did not explain this in full until I later met with him. I do nothave a record of when I met with AIr. Kleindienst, but it was eitheron Monday, the l9th, or the next day. I will describe that meeting

shortly.

I met with Ehrlichman in the mid-afternoon and reported in fullmy conversation with Liddy. I also told Ehrlichman about the earliermeetings I had attended in AIitchell's office in late January and earlyFebruary and my subsequent conversation with Haldeman. He toldme he wanted to meet later with Colson and told me to attend. Ehrlich-man also requested that I keep him advised and finA out from theJustice Department on what was going on. I did not mention my con-versation with Strachan-because I assumed that Ehrlichman avaS aware

of this from Haldeman himself.Later that afternoon I attended a second meeting in Ehrlichman's

office with Colson. I recall Ehrlichman asking where Hunt eras. I saidI had no idea and Colson made a similar statement. At that point be-fore the meeting had started, Ehrlichman instrueted me to ea]l Liddyto have him tell Hunt to get out of the country I did this. Withouteven thinking. Shortly after I made the call, however, I realized thatno one in the White House should give such an instrnetion tend raisedthe matter. A brief discussion ensued between Ehrlichman nod mvself.As I recall, Ehrlichman said that he was not a- f~l(ritive from jlistice,so whv not. I said that I did not think it was vers wise. Ott this point,Colson chimed in that he also thought it unwise rend F,hrlichmanagreed. I immediately called Giddy again to retract the request but heinformed me that he had already passed the message and it might 'oe

too late to retract.Following this brief telephone skirmish rewarding Hllnt's travel

plans, the meeting turned to Hunt's status at the Unite House. I hadlearned from Fred Fielding, vho I had asked to check on it, that Hunthad not dral;vn a check from his White House consultantship since lateMarch of 1979. But as far as I knew, the records indicated that Huntwas still a White House consultant to Colson. After discussions of thisby Colson. who at this point was disowning Hunt as a meml)er of hisstat Ehrlichman called ATr. R.rllce lVehrli and requested that he bringHnnt's Dersonnel records llp to Ehrliehmall~s office. Before lCehrli ar-rived, Colson raised the matter of lInnt's safe. .''olson, without vettingsr)ecific, said it svas imperative that someone get tine contents of XInntjssafe. COISOII sngaested. and Ehrlichmatl conenrred, thatlI take cllstodv


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I4. 2 JOHN DE'S; TESSIMOXY, JUMP

935

AN'hen Kehrli arrived he was quizzed by Ehrlichman and Colson on

Hunt's status at the AVhite House. Colson lvas artllillq that Huntshould have been removed from the TVhite House stS of Alarch .31,1972.AIr. ICehrli's records, however, did not so indicate. I have submitted tothe committee memorandums that Colson forwarded to me on June19, presenting his argument. This svas later resolved between Co]sonand Itehrli, pursuant to Colson's argument. I always assumed that thisrequired some alteration of the records, but I do not linoxv this for a

fact.

[The documents referred to svere marked exhibit No. 3il5.*]

AIr. DE \N-. Follolvin<r this discussion Ehl lichman aslsecl lvehrli

where Hunt's office novas located and how the contents of his safe couldbe removed. Ivehlli explained that he would have to have GS t openthe safe. Colson said it must be done immediately and Ehrlicllmaninstructed Ivehrli to have me present m-hen the safe xvas opened andthat I should receive the contents of the safe. Ivehrli said he would callme when he had made the arrangements and he then left Ehrliehmall'soffice. Ehrlich.man told me to repolt to him on the contents of Mr.

Hunt's safe and the meeting ended.

Iiehrli called mV office after I had departed. He tallied with Fred

Fielding and asked him to-come with him to open Mr. Hunt's safe. Ido not recall mentioning this to Fieldina before I depalted find I donot know what Kehrli told Fielding, but Iiehrli vfas aware from theearlier meeting with Ehrlichman that I nvas to receive t.hc contents of

the safe.

After departing the office. I believe I Vent to Zrr. AIitchell's apart

ment. I do not recall who asked me to come to Alitchell's apartment,and it may have been the evening ofthe 90th,ratherthan June 19.I recall that when I arrived, Mitchell. Arardian. and Atacruderwere there and I gather had been discussing matters before I arrived.I recall listenillg, hut can only recall discussions of how to handle thematter from a public relations standpoint. I hare no other recollectionof the meeting

It avas on June 20 or 21 that Strachan and AIr. Richard Howard

came to my office. Strachan informed me that Haldeman had author-ized an expenditure by Colson of some funcls, but the entire amounthad slot been expended and he was turning over the remainder tome to hold. I told AIr. Strachan that I would hold the funds and wouldbe accountable for them. I placed the cash, 8;la,DOO in mv safe. Iinformed LArr. Fielding of m) office of the fact that the cash divas inmV safe and where it had come from. I felt I should inform Fieldingbecause I wanted someone to know lvhv the money avas in my safe

if anything should happen to me.

The cash remained in my safe untouched until October 15!s 19*-~,

avhell I removed a packet of bills amounting to $t"8a0 and placed mynetsollal check for that amount with the remaining cash. I removedthe S.(850 after I had failed to make arrangements to l)ay for thennticil)atefl expenses of my xveddin(t. and m,V hollevmooll. I subse-nuentlv expended the cash over a several month peliod of time as mylione~-mooll nvas cut short and the full amollllt I had anticil ated novasnot necessary; thus, I used part of the cash for norlnal dailv expendi-

•See p. 1157.

(169)

14. 3 CHElES COLSOX EMOMAt9UM, JUNE 19, 197fJ SSC EXHIBIT NO. 34-15)

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1 107

ExHrsrr No. 34-15

NlENiORANDUM

MEMORANDUM FOR:

FROM:

SUBJECT:

THE WHITE HOUSE

WA S H I .9 G TO f

June 19, 1972 -

JOHN DEAN W/

CHARLES COLSON

Howard Hunt

Dick Howard just discovered the attached in his chron filer this is a copy and Bruce Kchrli is looking for the original. I think it can be Fatly and

clearly said that his services here terminated on March 31, 1972. There is also attached a report of a conversation which Joan Hall had with

Hoxvard Hunt approximately 6 or 8 weeks ago.

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14.3 ATSACHEiVT TO CHARLES COLSON MEMORANDUM, 3SC EXHIBIT X0. 34|25,a SS: 21Ub

1158

MEl40RANDUM FOR BRUCE ~

March 30, 1972

We would like to acconzmodate Howard Hunt onthe attached and would like to do it right awayand then totally drop him as a consultant so that

1701 can pick him up and use hZ.

Howard has been very eI°fbectiere for us, but hismost logicm place now is consulting 1701. Toneattached could be a major problem and we wouldlike to do everything we can to accomplish this

and help him in this way. Please let me know.

W. Richard Howard

A TRUE COPY

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14.3 ACTACEEN7T TO CHARLES COLSON EMOMSDUM, SSC EXHIBIT 34-15,

3 SSC 1159

llaD

MEMORANDUM

MEMORANDUM FOR:

FROM:

SUBJECT:

THE WHITE IIOUSE

WASIlINCTOS

June 19, }972

CHARLES COLSOif

JOAN HALSEY

Discussion with Howard Hunt

For the record, approximately 6 or 8 weeks ago in a casual conversation, I asked Howard Hunt why he had not turned in any time sheets. He

replied, "That is being taken care of elsewhere. " I did not inquire any further and the subject was dropped. (Note: I had initialed his time sheets each

month

and novas merely curious why I had not received one. )

(172)

14.4 JOHN g.HRE.l'r,HMEN TESTIMONY. JULY 25. 1973. 6 SSC 2619

Air. E}IRLICII3XAN-. I take it, Senator, and here I am speculating

ranl;l~- speculating Here's an episode with Atr. AtcCord, which comescut through AIr. AIcCord back through Caulfield to Dean. Now. howdoes John Dean justify having sent Air. Caulfield to talk to ~IcCord?I don't knolv whether that is the explanation or not, but it certainl~-vias suggested to me as I watched AIr. Dean at this table spinning this

tale.

Senator GURNEY. Ijet us Oo to another area ~vhich involved you andA.lr. Dean and that is the papers that were talien from Elunt's safeafter it nvas opened by Dean's people. Some of these papers as voulinolv, Mrere very sensitive. Some avere contained in a briefcase of Brr.Hunt's. The testimony of course, here is that Dean had a conversationwith you about this and you made some suggestions about disposingof the papers that nvere in the briefcase. AIy recollection is that vouadvised AIr. Dean to deep-six these papers. Gould you care to tell us

about this meeting?

Arr. E}IRLICEI3rAN. That nvas a meeting, if I heard the testimony

correctly, which was also attended by other people and should besusceptible of determination from independent vritnesses. To correctan assumption in your question, Senator, I did not know the contentsof AIr. Hunt's safe except in the most general terms. I avas told, and;r can't say who told me—probably Brr. Dean—that there Divas a pistolAnd a tape recorder and a number of documents, some of which hadnothing to do with Watergate but were very politically sensitive.Nonv, that was the general description. I had no occasion to look atthem, I never saw them except as a few of them orere sealed in an

envelope and handed to Pat Grav.

The conversation has to be weighed, the probability of such a conversation where I said,run out and throw thisin the river,hasto beInveighed against what I actually did, which I think the witnesses whowere in the meeting on the l9th will tell you that I did.

XVe had had a meeting for two purposes on the 19th, which included5Ir. Colson, NIr. IZehrli, staff secretary. and Iven Clawson on the WhiteHouse staff. The meeting xvas for, as I say, two purposes one, to tryto determine what the facts were about Howard Hunt's emplovmentstatus, which llras verge murky at that point in time, because of somelack of documents or some confusion of documents, and things of that

sort.The other purpose was to talk about what to do about this safe which

had been found on the premises, and apparently had things in it thatrelated to Howard IIunt, who lvas then, if not arrested, at least a prime

suspect.

The instructions which we. aareed upon at that meetincr lrere that anumber of people should be present at the opening of that safe. lVeknew ore had to hare something from the GS v because thev had toopen the safe. Pout in addition to that. I sl)ecified to Arr. Ivehrli. beingpresent, that Air. Dean be present and talse custoclv. Tllen I think Air.Ivehrli sufT,,ested that a Secret -Service agent be present under the cir-cllmstances, because ve avers breaking into 3 safe in the White House.find thatlvasthe arranyemelltthatlvas agreed upon when eve brolse

top on the 19th.

Cry l)ur[~ose in doing that lvas twofold. One, this lvas a Final of

extraordinary r)rocedtllc and I thought there ought to be l~eoa)le who

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#.b ~sS 1

OrDenr as- st-7e~enlent of C~><arl es r,,l, Colson~ -

Before S_lect comirit~--e on P-residenc~-ali — — -

Carroa7.,--~a Ac::i.vities, ~-ited star;2s senatek

I appreciate the opportunity to present this opening

sta-erolent to your Coiranittee. I shall I irst atteL2pt to the best

of my recollection to recoun. my kno~N7ledge OL the e~wrents

surrounding the Watergate Affair.

I will also atterupt, if I may, to ,,5've this c^mmiLtee

so-me insight •'nto the mood and atr.osphe;-e w'nich existed in

th.e tnJhit2 House during the Wixon years. I have rollo,~?ed x7nlIr

p~~oceedir.gs to d2ce; it is clear t'nae you ar2 seekin? to de_er-

mine not only vJha~t in racW ha:?pened, but ss,hy and holv these

things could have hapsened.

AS TO Tt-IE TACTS:

I firsL heard tlna, there had been a berOlary at tlle

Deirlo^r-~ ic >~a-tiollal CG7-;5.- c-'-ee heatelu.7rters on the railSo. It

;.C.:' C ! -urd.ô,?, J_;~e 17, 979 . I tllOl'<3llt it

oL-di:'n'L~.' uurOlc) -N --~ 01l2 mot-e ad,litioil zO Li52 D.. C. C-Ciil;''

(174)

14.S CHELES COLSON DOT SSATEXENT, SLUMBER 7973, 1, 2-4

2 .

statistics. It waS not until late that afternoon that I learned

that more might be involved. John Ehrlichman called to inquire

as to Hox7a-rd Hunt's whereabouts. I explained that I had not seen,

Hunt in a couple of months, but that I believed that he was

working at the Committee for the Reselection of the President.

Ehrlichman informed me that one of those arrested had had

something in his possession with Howard Hunt's name on it. H.e

also asked me if I knew Douglas Caddy. I told him I knew only

Ehrlichman explained that he was simply trying to

detects lle the facts .

On Mondays June 19, I attended various tr.eetinos smith

Mr. Ehrlichman and Mr. John Dean. We were endeavoring to

determine what tar. Hunt ' s status was ar.d ashen his service at

the White House had been terminated. I do not recall the exact

sequence of the meetings or the persons in attendance that

day. I do recall specifically the following points:

1. lie determined that my assistant Pvichasd

Howard, had on March 30, 1972, advised

-the Staff Secretary to terminate Htlnt's

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14.5 CHAfiLES COLSOD DS FT STAZFXEXT, SE.PTEMBER 19Z3J 1, Z-4

consultant relationship With the l4Thit2

House. A copy of Mr. Hor72rd's memo eras

provided to your staff sa7h2n I met with

them for a pre1 imin2ry interview on play 3

of this year.

20 We determined that Hunt's terraination had

not been handled routinely. At the time

that he left the Is7hite House in March,

Hunt asked whether he could chance the

survivors benefit election which he had

rr.ade ~120r his retirement from the CIA

a year earllerc Hunt's memo requesting

the chance had been submitted as an

enclosure to the termination memo of

WIarch 30. This request was apparently -

sent by the Staff Secretary to the

White House personnel or Civil Service

office. ashen the decision Was made on

the request the file leas apparently

retu-Ln^cl to tee Staff Secretary. The

staL-E Secretcl--r apparently -Eailed to

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3.

14. S CHARLES COLSOS DAFT STATEMENT. SEPTABBR l9Z3. 1. 2 - 4

take steps to formally process Hunt's

terrlination) such as the cancellation

of his White House pass, the surrender

| of documents, etc.

3. We learned -- to my surprise -- that tSIr.

Hunt still maintained a safe in an office

in the Executive Office Building. I SU<>-

gested to Dean that he talce custody OL

the safe. I was certain in my own mind

that there would be an investigation if

the facts established that-Hunt had had

any connection with the Watergate break-

in. It was my view that the White House

counsel had a responsibility to secure

the safe and any other evidence. Con-

trary to Mr. Dean' s testimony (TR 2169),

I had had no cortutnunicatlons from Hunt

over that weekend; no one suggested that

I remove anything from the safe. I

never saw the safe nDr was I aware of

the contents of the sa fe . As a mat Wer

of fact, it was not until late Julle,

aCt-e1- publication ~n.F ] Scrip~as-Tfc~.vard

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14. 6 E. HOWARD HURT MEMORANDUM. MUCH 27. 19?2


MEMORANDUM FOR:

FROM:

SUBJECT:

March 27, 1972

CHARLES COLSON

HOWARD HUNT

Securing Survivorship Benefits

When I retired from CIA on May 1, 1970, I was given the usual option of receiving full annuity without post mortem benefits to my

survivors, or a reduced annuity with survivorship benefits. I elected the former, unaware that the choice would later be held

irrevocable .

About a year later I requested the CIA General Counsel to assist me in changing to the survivorship provision. His negative response

Now that I have acquired a duodenal ulcer for the third time, I amclose to uninsurable -- or at prohibitively high-risk rates -- withconsequent prejudice to my familyts future. As an alternative, itoccurs to me that I might be re-hired, briefly, by the ExecutiveBranch, to retire again in a few days so that I could elect reduced

annuity with survivorship benefits.

To effect this will entail a certain amount of paper work. However,I am requesting White House assistance in restoring the opportunityto provide for my family beyond the limitations of my private insur-

ance coverage.



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14. 6 2. HORARD HURT MEMOMNDVM. ICE 27. 1972

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John G. Carlson

Other Service:

Howard A. Cohen

Jame s M . S chur z

Michael P. BalzanoOther Service:

Kathleen W. BalsdonOther Service:

Lleatellyn Evans

Joan Ha l l

~;7e?lleen tt1. Balsclon

Plo l ly ilo lm

SECRETARIES

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14. 7 WHITE HOVSE' SZEF LIST

OFFICE OF CIIARLES ;v. COLSOLT

Charles \'1. Colson

Conunissioned : Special Counsel to the President

STAFF ASSISTAtITS

W. Richard Howard

Colrunissioned: Special Assistant

Other Service:

Patriclc E. O'Donnell

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5/2/71 -' 1/20/73

to the President 1/21/73 -'3/10/73

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id. 8 J. FRED BUZZARDS LESTER, SEPSEPER 5, 1973 An

ThIE ','IHITE HOUS'

5 September 1973

Dear Mr. Cox:

This is in response to your letter of August 27 requesting the copy

of a W. Richard Howard memorandum of March 30, I972 to Bruce

Kehrli and of August 29 requestina the pass approval form for

E. Howard Hunt.

As I mentioned to you irl a recent telephone conversation, the fact

that a particular document is in the physical custody of azcurrentemployee of the White House does not alter the fact that such

documents are Presidential Papers, of sv'rvcn the authority to ' ~ -

control is exclusively 2 matter for Presidential decision. Accord-ingly, requests for such documents, whether originating with theoffice of the Special Prosecutor or the G_2_d Jury, should be

addressed to me in order thatthe request fly be considered by

the President.

Both documents you requested are enclosed

' &- Fred B~zEardtSpecial Counsel to the President

Honorable Archibald Cox

Special Prosecutor

\5tater~,ate Special Prosecution Force 3i)

1t7D-K Street, N. NV. ~gab

lVashir.vton, D. C. 2000,

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14 . 8 ARCHIBALD COX BETTER AUGUST 27 l9Z3X J -

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August 27, 1 9 7 3

J. Fred Buzhardt, Esq. Counsel to the President TheWhite House Washington r D . C .

Dear Mr. Buzhardt:

tion .

Re: Memorandux:l from W. Richard Howard to Bruce Kehrli — 3/3 0/72-

During thn course of W. Richard Howard's appearance before the grand jury on August 14, 1973, he was directed by

the grand jury foreman to produce the original carbon copy of a March 30, 1973 memorandum which he wrote to Bruce Kehrli

concerning E. Howard Hunt. I am informed that Mr. Howard'5 attorney, John Jude O'Donnell, has been advised by you that you are

prepared to furnish this docu;r.ent to the grand jury on receipt of a letter from this Office confirming that the grand jury did in fact make such a

request of Mr. Howard. As you will recall, the ribbon original of this document was furnished to the grand jury by you on July 19, 1973.

Please advise us if you desire any further informa-

Very truly yours,

Archibald CoxSpecial Prosecutor

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14.10 Ev BOWARD HURT l,ESTER, MY) 1972

TH E WH ITo FIOUS -

WAsHlNGTON

ADMIErIsTRATIvvrxy cn~~' ~v2T, rA T

Ma~~ 5, 1972

Dear Larry:

With reference •o your le~;er o me of May 6, 1971 concernin~tcllango in my annuity survivors'.lip benerits, I:he White LIousclegal staff has e,xamined .he C.I.1t. Re.irement Act of 190zb £o,Certain Employees, with par.icular reference to Sections it33and 271(b) of tha. Ac... Iil their opinion, the DirecSor has .heautholity to recall me to du.y, then perrni' me to reve.^ .oretired status at which ~,me I could elec- leduced a3nuiWy wi~

survivorahip beneri.s.

Xn short, it would appear shU wero the Director willing, hecould recall me for, say, a day or a week, af'sr nvhich; cculd

opt for survivorship beneZits.

May I ask that you re-exarnine my si'uation in lighs of .he fore-going, and if iv squares wi h your own in crpre a ion ot .he pertinen; Sec;,ions of '-~ie Ac', lay the maL er before X,r, Helar.s Zor

-his docision?

ii3Gfi sSo - Sincerely,

Howard XuntConsul anS o .he Presiden'

Mr.' Lawrence A. . Houstor.

General CounselCentral Xntelligence Agencywashin¢Yton, D. C. Zp505

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rArr. AL\CRUDER. Yes. I thinlx that is correct.

311-. D.vslw. A-oxv. after this meetingr, AIr. 31a~,ruder, did vou reportto nnvolle al)ollt the meeting?

Arr. AI \(;REDER. Yes, I sent the documellts that Alr. Liddv had given s at the meetinCr to AIr. Strachan.

3k. DASH. tncl afrain, svas this in vour normal course of using 311. Stlachall to the ARrhite House staff peop]e such asAIr. Haldeman?

3rr. At.\GR5DER. Yes. I awltornaticall) sent all doctlments to WIr. Sr rachan.

3rr. DASH. -tnd did those documents contain all of what NIr. Liddy llad presented at that meeting?

AIr. 3I VCrS1s)ER. Celtainlv, all of the sl)ecific cliscussioll. Thev did not contain. as an example, the discussion on

targets. because that 5.~aS a discussion. and that l -as not in the documents.

31r. DASH. Did J'Otl have a telephone conversation xvith AIr. Strachan concerning that meetinf, ?

AIr. XL&GRUDER. Yes, I indicated the general contet of that meetinXr.

3Ir. DXSH. Xnd did that include Alir. Alitcllell's suggestions concernin', the Las \~egas mission ?

bIr. 5?1 XGRFDER. I callllot lecall specificallv tilat point, but I m-ould assume that I probably discussed the l;ev tarr,rets that xve had discussed.

31r. DASH. ,-tnd that would include t-he Democratic National Committee headquarters and Mr. O'Brien ?

,Alr. 3IAGRI7DER. Yes.

MI. DASH. Did you discuss the meetine lvith anvbodJ elses either at the committee or the White House ?

Mr. AL\GRUDER. I cannot recall discussing it with an~one else.

.3Ir. Dvsll. llras there any special role that A-11: LaRue lula!-ed in the Committee for the Re-Election of the President9

Mr. 3IAGRUDER. 3Ir. La Rue xvas an adviser of 3rr. 3titchell 's. He was a close friend of 3Ir. Alitchell's. He had become

st close friend of mine. He nvas someone xvho v~-orlzed Wit}l all of us. •A'e all felt he had an astute political judg,ment,

and vs-e ~vorlQed verV closels- vv-ith .Nlr. LaRue 011 literall,) all matters that concemed the cominittee.

Mr. D VSI{. Did there come a time after the second meerinfr that ~-ou had some difficulty xvith 31r. LiddV, and Ak.

LaRue plaved some role ill that?

3Ir. 3IAGRUDER. Yes.

3rl-. D XSH. arill ~ou tell us about that ?

31r. At\CRt-DER. In apploximatelv mid-Alarch, I had requested certain thin^,rs from Ak. LiddV, I thilik relatillfr to his

lef,al m~ork as ~neral counsel, and they llad IlOt been forthcomin~. I met- him, 11111 Into him on the thild floor of OUI

l)uildinrr. and aslied him would he be more cooperative in prodtlcin, tlle XVOI'Ii that xve needed quielulv ? He indicated

some distull)allce xvith me at that time.

I lvent tll)St.lilS and svas somenvllat a~ritated. ~-tncl as};ed him to come ur)stails ancl cliscuss this luattel NVitlI nie;

and at tllat tinlew 311: LaRue S;lt ill 011 I)alt of the meetinfr. .-tt th.lt time. xve arrree<l that AIr. L;Rue--311. Liddv

xvould tern~tinate t'ronl OUI eomlllittee completelv at fi l st (tllbl

AIr. I).vsll. Wrllat XV.tS the difficalt,v that did OCCUI', and svhat xvas the altercatioll. i t' !~ou can l)e a I ittle nlo} esl)ecific *

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14. 11 DEB MGRUDER TESTIMONY, JUNE 14, 1973, 2 SSC ?91-93

792

Air. MACRUDERs. AVell, I siml)lv l)ut my hand all 511'. hiddv's shoulder,

and he asked me to remove it aucl indicated that if I did not, serious

consequences could occur.

Atr. DASH. M7as he more specific than serious consequences?

AIr. AL\GREDER. Well, he indicated that he would kill me. But I avant

to make it clear that I did not, I do not regard that and I do not nonvre nerd that as a specific threat. It lvas simply iSlr. Liddv's manner ism.I think he vas indicating to me that he did not care for his relationship

with me. That lvas all.

Air. DASH. Adhere, actually, did this particular meeting with you

and fair. Liddy occur?

AIr. 3'LAGR7DER. The altercation or the meeting 2

AIr. Desk. The altercation.

AIr.AIAGR7LTDEROIn thelobb~-ofthethird floor,therece7)tion area of

the committee

Ak. DASH. Xnd thereafter, there lvas a meeting with Err. Liddy,

and Air. LaRue came up ?

Err AtAGRl7DER. Yes.

ZIr. DAsrr. Where did that happen ?

NIr. W[AGR~ER. In my office.

Air. DASH. What happened at that time ?

Xrr. WIAGR~ER. M7ell, at first ve agreed, Mr. Liddv and I, that he

would terminate from the committee all activities. Then we discussedthe intelligence gathering, and he indicated at one point that possiblv3Ir. Hunt could become invoked directly in this area, or that Ore couldcease any consideration of that. At that time, as I recall, WIr. LaRueindicated that it would be best if we retained AIr. Liddy, at least inthat area. But he lvas not overly specific. He just thought it was best

that eve keep things cool and not get too excited about the situation.

What we then agreed to vas to terminate him from our committee

as general colmselF but retain him in the area of intelligence Gathering

Mr. DASH. Weld nosy at the time Mr. LaRue lvas anxious to have

vou keep Mr. Liddy in the intelligence gatherina7 did A!Lr. LaRue know

what Afr. Liddv v as plalmina to do ?

AIr. NIAGR~ER. I think in—aFaain. Mr. LaRue sat in on manv of our

meeting and he and I had and are still ~~er,V close friends, and evediscussed I am sure in general terms, AIr. Liddv's proposal. I couldnot recall a specific time, sitting down with Air. LaRue~ though, tellina

him exactlv what Air. Liddv's proposal avere.

Afr. DASH. BV the alas, did vou know at that time that AIr. Hunt

xvas lvorkincr with AIr. Liddv ?

AI. 3rAGR~ER. At that time—I think bv that time, I had been

encouraged by celSaill staff members at the White House to be surethat AIr. Hunt svas not e-mploved by us directly but employed by

AIR-. T,iddV. So I think I was aware at that time that he vvas.

Arr. D.ssll. APlat staff members at the AMlite Hollse made such

encolllavemellt?

Arr. At.\(,R~ER. Arr. Hoxvard~ Richard Howard.

Atr. T)Asfir. A07ho is Arr. R.ichald Howard?

Afr. Ar.\/;R7tTDEtt. He novas Air. Colson's assistant.

Air. I).\S11. Alrhat. if anvthin ra did he say to vollP What kind of

encollla,(remellt did he rive voll?

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14.11 JEB MAGRUDER TESTIMONY JUNE 14 1973 2 .S.sN 791_93

- Air. 3t.\GP.IJDER. He indicated that Air. Hunt had completed his

assignments at the white House, and since we svere now engaged inintelligence activities, he thought I svould find 31r. Hunt very ~-alu-able. I onlv met Fir. Hunt once, so I avas not really quite sure in whatteems he would be valuable. So I indicated to 31r. Ho vard that heshould refer AIr. Hunt to WIr. Liddy and that Or. Liddy wouldemploy him. I did not halo v at that time that he and Mr. Liddy had

ttorked together before.

NIr. D.\SH. Nonv, also concerning this altercation you had with Mr.

Liddv and your decision to terminate his employment, did vou receiveanv communication from any other person from the White Houseconcerning Air. Liddve

31r. AI.\GR~ER. Yes, esidently 3Ir. Liddy, after he left mv once,

lvent and saw AIr. Dean and then WIr. Strachan. I received a call fromAIr. Dean encouraging me not to become personally concerned aboutOr. Liddy, that I should not let my personal animosity and his getin the way of the project. And then I went over to the A5Jhite Houseand was working with AIr. Strachan on normal campaign matters,and he brought up the same subject and, as vie walked back to thecommittee—it was a Friday afternoon, I recall, and it was raining—he indicated that although he had the same personal difficulties withAtr. Liddy, that probably Mr. Liddy was quite professional in this

intelligence gathering, and we should retain him in this area.

Air. DASH. Did AIr. Egil lArofflh ever talk to you concerning either

AIr. Liddy or 3Ir. Hunts

3Ir. AIAGR~ER. Or. Krogh did talk to me about Mr. Liddy, and

mentioned to me a number of times we should keep tite,ht control over

him but he was very elective.3rr. DASH. Did you Lnonv at any time of 3Ir. AIcCord's participa

tion in Air. Liddy's plan?

3rr. AEL&GR~FS No.

Air. DASH. After the February 4 meeting in Afr. ZIitchell's office,

when the plan was not still approved, did there come a time when any-one else at the White House urged you to (ret the Liddy plan approved ?

Fir. AIAGR~ER. Yes. NIr. Charles Colson called me one evening and

asked me, ill a sense. would Eve get off the stick and ret the budgetapproved for AIr. Liddv's plans, that we needed information, particu-larly 011 3Ir. O'Brien. He did not mention. I •rant to make clear, anv-

thint, relating to wiretapping or espionatre at that time.

Or. DASH. But in that discussion, did vou bet the impression your

self that he knew'what the Liddv plan was?

Air. 3I EARNER. A>rain I want to be careful. I Lnelv Or. Hunt was a

close friend of 3rr. Colson's. he had been referred to me earlier ba-3tr. Colsoll. I did make the assumption that he did know but he didnot sav that he did linotv but he did not sav that he was aware of the

specifics and never did sav that to me at and time.

AIr. DASH. Would Air. Colson be one of those persons who would be

in line of commllnicatioll to whatet er Mr. Strachan was communicat-ill(r to the White House 2

Arr. 3taG.R~ER. I think 3Ir. Strachan v.-orlved closelv with Arr.

(Olson. lent his line of eomllland WAS through Or. Haldeman.

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15. At the meeting specified in the preceding paragraph,

John Ehrlichman instructed that Howard Hunt's EOB safe

should be opened in the presence of John Dean, Bruce Kehrli

and a Secret Service Agent, and that Dean should take

possession of the contents. Charles Colson said that this

should be done immediately. On the evening of June 19, 1972

at Kehrli's request, Hunt's safe was forcibly opened in the

presence of a Secret Service Agent and a GSA representative.

Kehrli and Fred Fielding, Dean's assistant, arrived shortly

thereafter.



15.3 Bruce Kehrli deposition, Democratic NationalCommittee v. McCord, May 15, 1973, 6-9 193

15.4 Fred Fielding deposition, Democratic NationalCommittee v. McCord, May 15, 1973, 7-9 197

15.5 Charles Colson draft statement prepared fordelivery to the SSC, September 1973, 1, 4(received from SSC) 200

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15. 1 JOHN EHRLIC~N- REST

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tar. EIIRLICH5SAX. I take it, Senator, and here I am sr)eculating,rankly speculating. Here's an episode with Or. AIcCord, which comescut through Or. AtcCord bac's throuvh Caulfield to Dean. Nonvhowdoes Jollll Dean justify having sent Alr. Caulfield to talk toAtcCord? I don't know whether that is the explanation or not, but itcertainl:,v;as suggested to me as I watched AIr. Dean at this tablespinning this tale.

Senator GlJB?;EY. Let us t,o to another area which involved you andMr. Dean and that is the papers that svere talien from Hunt's safe afterit svas opened by Dean's people. Some of these panels, as vou l;noxv,were very sensitive. Some lvere contained in a briefcase of Or. Hunt's.The testimony, of course, here is that Dean had a conversation withyou about this and f ou made some sut gestions about disposing of thepapers that avere in the briefcase. Afy recollection is that vou advisedAIr. Dean to deep-six these papers. AN ould J-OU care to teli us aboutthis meeting?

tar. EHRLICHBrAN-. That divas a meeting, if I heard the testimonvcorrectly which xvas also attended by other people and should besusceptible of determination from independent witnesses. To correctan assumption in your question, Senator, I did not knolv the contentsof AIr. Hunt's safe except in the most general terms. I nvas told, and Ican't say who told me—probably Sir. Dean—that there avas a pistoland a tape recorder and a number of documents, some of which hadnothing to do with Watergate but nvere very politically sensitive. Nonv,that was the general description. I had no occasion to look at them, Inever saxv them except as a felv of them nvere sealed in an envelopeand handed to Pat Gray.

The conversation has to be ~veig,hed, the probabilitv of SUC11 aCOIIversation where I said, run out and throw this in the river. has tobe aveighed against vhat I actually did. which I think the svitliesseslvho were in the meeting on the 19th svill tell you that I did.

We had had a meeting for two purposes on the 19th, which includedSir. Colson, Or. Iiellrli, staff secretary. and Iven Cla~vson on the EliteHouse staff. The meetinffl vitas for, as I saw, two purposes—one, to trvto determine what the facts svere about Ho vard Hunt s employmentstatus, which xvas very murky at that point in time, because of somelack of documents or some confusion of documents, and things of thatsort.

The other purpose nvas to talk about what to do about this safewhich had been found on the premises, and apparently had things in itthat related to Hoavard Hunt, who lvas then, if not arrested, at least aprime suspect.

The instructions which eve agreed upon at that meetinffl svere that amember of people should be present at the opening of that safe. lVeknew v e had to have something from the GS t because thev had toopen the safe. But in addition to that. I specified to 3tr. Ivehrli beingpresent, that AIr. Dean be present and take custody. Then I thinly Atr.Ivehrli suggested that a Secret Serv-iee agent be present under thecircumstances, because eve vvere breaking into a safe in the WhiteHouse. And that avas the arrangement that xvas agreed upon when xvebroke up on the 19th

Sty pllrlzose in doing that •vas twofold. One this tvas a kind ofextraordinary procedure and I thought there ought to be people who

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25. 1 JOHN EHRDICHMAN TESTIMONY. JUDE 25. 1973.6 SSC 2612-13

could, one, later on tell what had happened; tsvo, I a;vas concernedabout the custody of these documents, the chain of evidence, theperfectibility of proof if the time came and there were documents inthere that bore on WIr. Hunt's liability.

So that was done, and it lvas done, I believe, that same day or thatevening.

_ Senator GURNEY. Yes.Mr. EHRL CH}rAN-. NOW, it seems to me that it would have been

folly for me at some later time, then, to suggest that the briefcase bethrown into the floodtide of the Potomac or that these papers bethrown in the ril er, or something of this kind.

ArOw, there lvas in this story also the suggestion of shredding. I dont think in mv life that I have su(r>(rrested to anybody that a documentbe shredded. Shredding is just not something that I have ever resortedto under any circumstances, nor proposed to anybody under anycircumstances. Is I said, use have a great disposal system at the AYhiteHouse. If you really avant to get rid of a document, you put it in aburn bag and you seal it up and it s never opened again, and it goesinto a furnace and that is the end of it.

Senator GURNEY. But to fflet back to this second meeting whenJohn Dean comes to vou and tells you, Eve have got some prettysensitive papers here, and as he alleges. f oil say, wells deep-si2: thisbriefcase. AVhat's your testimony on that?

Arr. ElrRLIC EI3C.\5-. I did not. I have no recollection of that kindof a conversation.

Senator GURNEY. Did von make anv other suggestion to him thathe dispose of these papels in any other way?

A[r. F,TInLICSI3[.\N. AVe discussed what to do about some papersvhicll he told me about in the safe xvhic}l really should not be leaked.It ain, ve have to come back to ollr FBI problem. and he •vas(Jenuinely concerned and when he explained it to me, I shared hisconcern that if these documents xvere simply wholesaled to theWashington field of lice the FBI, we would be reading about it in Timemagazine in -erV short order.

Senator GURNEY. NO\V YOII are talking a~oollt the ones thatrevere tilrllPol alar en aTrsive

arl. EHR;,ICIIAI.\X. And SO Sir. Dean came up with this idea,turninr them ow-er to Pat Grav personally And I certainly concurredin it. I thought that vas an ideal solution to the problem.

Senator (;URN-EY. Did that come up in this meeting whensupposedlv the deel~-six conversation came up?

or. . FllnLlellzrsx.A57 ell, I Matlleled that that meeting wassupposed to have been the meeting xvhell AIr. Ivellrli and the othersmere their. It lvollkl have necessariiV been at that meeting because thedie svas cast tlleleaftel. You kno;v. the ;'0 bisllol)s had xvitllessed theopening of the safe at this point. So it had to l)e. that meeting.

Noxv I (lo not l;noxv what meeting he is referring to.Senatol (;rnxEY. I thinly he said it lvas the 21st-.All. EllnLleilulss. T}lc fist.I met with Air. Dean on the fist in the afternoon. The onlv thing that

I can sav to son is that I certainlv xvollld not have and did not proposethe destrlletioll of those documents.

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15.2 JOEN DEAN TESZIMOXYV JUNE 25, 1973] 3 SSC93#

instructed by Haldeman to go through all of AIr. Haldeman's filesover the weekend and remove and destroy damaging materials. 1letold me that this material included such matters as memorandums fronthe reelection committee, documents relating to wiretap informationfrom the DSC, notes of meetings with Haldeman, and a documentwhich refleeted that Haldeman had instructed Magruder to transfer hisintelligence gathering from Senator bluskie to (ienator 3IcGovern.Strachan told me his files were completely clean.

I spoke with Mr. Itleindienst and he told me that both the FBI andthe D.C. Metropolitan Police were investigating, and he assumed thatthe FBI would take full jurisdiction of the case shortly He also alludedto his encounter with Liddy at Burning Tree Country Clul), but didnot explain this in full until I later met with him. I do not have arecord of when I met with AIr. INeindienst, but it lvas either onMonday, the 19th, or the next day. I will describe that meeting shortly.

I met with Ehrlichman in the mid-afternoon and reported in full myconversation with Liddy. I also told Ehrlichman about the earliermeetings I had attended in Mitchell's office in late January and earlyFebruary and my subsequent conversation with Haldeman. He told mehe wanted to meet later with Colson and told me to attend. Ehrlichmbnalso requested that I keep him advised and find out from the JusticeDepartment on what was going on. I did not mention m) COnversationwith Strachan because I assumed that Ehrlichman was aware of thisfrom Haldeman himself.

Later that afternoon I attended a second meeting in Ehrlichman'soffice with Colson. I recall Ehrlichman asking where lIlmt was. I said Ihad no idea and Colson made a similar statement. At that point beforethe meeting had started, Ehrlichman instructed me to eall Liddy tohave him tell Hunt to get out of the country.-I did this. without eventhinking Shortly after I made the call. hosvcver, I realized that no onein the WVhite House should give such an instlnetion and raised thematter. A brief discussion ensued between Ehrlichmall and myself. AsI recall, Ehrlichman said that he svas not a fugitive from justice, sosvhv not. I said that I did not think it avas very wise. At this point,Colson chimed in that he also thought it unwise and F,hrlichmanagreed. I immediatelv called LiddT aenin to retract the request but heinformed me that he had already passed the messave and it mitht betoo late to retract.

Following this brief telephone skirmish rewarding lllmt's travel plans,the meetine turned to Hunt's status at the Unite House. I had learnedfrom Fred Fielding, who I had asked to cheek on it, that Hunt had notdrawn a check -from his White House consultantship since late Marchof 1979. Belt as far as I knew, the records indicated that Ffunt was stilla White House consultant to Colson. After discussions of this hvColson. who at this point was disowning Hun. as a llleml)er of his staff.F,hrlichman called Atr. Bruce Ivehrli and requested that he brineTlunt's personnel records up to F,hrlicllmall's oMce. Before lVehrliarrived, Colson raised the matter of Hunt's safe. Jolson without gettinesr)ecific. said it was imperative that someone get the contents of Hllnt ssafe. Colsoll suggested. and Ehrlichmall concurred, that I talie cllstodvof the contents of the safe.

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15.3 BRUCE PEARLS DEPOSITION. AMY 15. 1973, DNC A.McCORD, 6-9

6

Q And you desire to proceed without an attorney?

A That is right.

Q What are your duties at the White House, Mr. Kehrli?

A Basically administrative. My title is Special Assis

tant to the President. My position is one of a staff

secretary which is kind of the operations officer for the

White House on a day-to-day basis.

It involves making sure that papers that the President

sees, official papers, are staffed correctly; handling the

paper flow to the President such as official documents,

bills, proclamations, things of this nature. Handling the

administration of the White House staff in. terms of

payroll, office space, things of this nature.

Q How long have you held this position?

A Since January 1, 1972.

Q Who do you report to in this capacity?

A Well, I did report to Bob Haldeman. I now report to

General Haig.

Q Let me direct your attention to June l9th of 1972.

You had an occasion at that time to go to an office in

the Old Executive Office Building isn't that correct?

Q Yes, that is correct.

Q Is that Room 338?

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15.3 BRUCE XEHRLI DEPOSITION) RAY 15, 1973, DNC V.McCORD, 6-9

A Yes, it is.

Q That was the office of Howard Hunt?

A Yes.

Q What caused you to go to that office, Mr. Kehrli?

A I was requested by John Dean to go to that office.

Q When did he make that request to you?

A In the afternoon at about 2:00 o'clock, I think I

am not sure of the correct time. Early afternoon on that

day.

Q Would you relate that conversation to us, what took

place?

A He just asked me to go the office and see if there

were any materials or papers left and clean them out. I

went up to the office. I checked to find only stationery

and other things of that nature in the desk but found a

safe in the office.

I had put the stationery in a large box and had it

removed to a room in EOB, Executive Office Building. I had

the safe taken to that same area.

Q Did you do this by yourself?

A No, I did that with GSA personnel.

Q Do you recall who they were?

A No, I don't.

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15.3 BRUCE SEERLI DEPOSITIONS MAY 15, 1973, DSC V.McCORD, 6-9

8

Q What time was this you removed this, about 2:30

in the afternoon? Is that correct?

A It was probably around -- immediately after my

discussions with Or. Dean.

Q What happened when you took the safe to the Old

Executive Office Building?

A We were in the Old Executive Office Building. We

took it to the fifth floor. I then checked with the GSA

representative and with the Secret Service representative

to see if they had a combination for the safe.

What did you find out? That they did not. Was it a GSA

safe? It was. And they did not have the combination? No,

which is not unusual. Then what took place? Then I asked

them to open the safe and to give me a call because John

Dean had said he wanted to be there when the safe was

opened and I waited. I got a call, let's see at about --

it was early evening, from one of the -- I think it was

the FBI agent.

When the safe was opened they had a Secret Service agent

there and the fellow actually opened the safe. They had

people

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15.3 BRUCE KEHRLI DEPOSITION MMY 15, 1973, DSC V. McCORDa6-9

g

to protect themselves against any problems, things

missing out of the safe.

Q- Do you know who the Secret Service agent was?

A Baker, as I remember.

He called and said, "We have opened the safe. There is

a gun in the safe. You better come up and take a look at

it."

So at that point I tried to reach Mr. Dean. I was

unable to reach him and reached Mr. Fielding and we went

up. We both arrived. It took me a couple of hours to track

down Fielding and we went up there I think around 7:30 or

8:00 o'clock. At that point -

Q Were you there before he was?

A No.

Q You got there at the same time?

A Approximately the same time. I think we may have

seen each other coming down the hall toward the safe. I

don't really remember at this point but it was

approximately the same time.

From there the GSA or the fellow who opened the safe

and the Secret Service agent left. We took the material

out of the safe, put it in a couple of boxes that we had

there, called GSA people to come up and take it from

there to my

office because that was the most secure area there in

15.4 FRED FIElDING DEPOSITION) MAY 15, 19732 DNC V.MCCORD, 7-9 7

NVas t..e~e a dep~~ty at th34

point? NOR the~e was no;.

Q zo you were tJhe second in cormand at tiz3t 30it-;?

,~ YeSw

Q Wern you hired by *wtr. Dean?

A Yest sir. t\Jell, I was hired by Mr. Doan. Ze ss the

snF wha int2rvieved ma and offered tX theposition.

Q nad you krlown Mr . Dean pr4 t)r to Oflis.

A I had not .

Q L-et's addres3 your attention to Juse 19, 1972. On

that occas-~on, you had the occasion to go to ttr. Hen*'soffice;

A That is not correct. To thv De3t of my knowledge, I

hav2 nnv2r been in ttr. Eunt's offace. June 19@ ~, 3ust so I am

sur2, that was Monday?

t; Yes, it would have been Mcnday, tht 13th.

A I-just wanted to mak.e sure. on June ths lith, the

evenir.g of Juna the l9th, I hnd cecasion to go to the fifF'n

floot Os the Owd Executive Offt-e 8ui~ding to a room. T aM zust

not sure cg tne room nu-~bzr. I; t.vas nn-h Dt~~. Sun4'~ 5f i-:'2.

It Wt'3S no onS | 5 o_'G'ic5* IF 7'tm _ a G5S sto-roroom.

Q T% iz a:'D~ o^1~ 3-Z~ ~s-~' ~--!r. >~;'t.v-_ - •-u~ *! -i>zz *a3 --2. I :-.

+..'-; 5 '.',..l.5 ~ ' =9D:<) S ?; ' .fJ J.:;5 .? ~ ~e.~. R - ~ {

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15.d FRED FIElDISG DEPOSITIOW, .MAY 15~ 1973, DNC v. MeCORD,7-9 g

A I am sure it W?Zni'c. I-t was a GSA sXo e-O~m.

O .1v-:ld t<c=: S22 b-) bhe -oom 4'.1-2t 73'; '-M~>t ~.D iN &.;^D Old <

tect~-v~ Office- Building?

A Yed , to the best of my knowledge.

Q Would yb: tell us what happened when you nrrived there.

A When I atrived there, Mr . 3ruce Kehrli, wno wat at that

tlme a staff 6ecretary at the White House offwee, was present,

a GSA rerresentative, I believe, was in the hallway and,to the best

of my recollection, there was a Secret Service agent present. There

was a safe in that room whi-ch had iust beon drilled by a

team of people from one of the safe companies.

Q

A

Q

A

Q

A

Q

Q

A

Q

Do you know who they were?

No . Do you know who the Secret Serxrice man was? No, I don't. The

only person you knew was Mr. Xehrli? And th2 GSA

representative. You know hS lh?

YE3 J

57ilO .vas that?

3paai.9~ J? O^7;¢-;12 FS-.>2D 8

SIr. Charlrs Rotch~o~d,>I eiSeve.

%7ne n you arrived in tho room, the sace was ao e~~ r oDet?

T:1: saL-e It~d b-en dr_lled 2n~. tv~s c7^> aDr-o~~-, ~;

+ 'J'~ t~;- '<.2~9r rr_>3/~ i . ta9li*_ O#),e$?

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o_1

15. 4 FRED FIElDISG DEP°SITI°N~ MAY ?5, 1973) DNC V-MCCORD) 7-9

9

Fred Fielding Deposition, May15, 1973

an inch. One of the drawers was openapproximately an inch.

Q The team had already left that drilled the

safe; is that correct?

A Yes.

Q Approximately what time wasthis?

A I would say it was approximately 7:30. 7:30

to 8:00 o'clock in the evening.

Q What caused you to go to that room in the

Old Executive Office Building?

I was in my office working sometime around

7:00 o'clock. I got a phone call from Mr. Kehrli

who was trying to reach Mr. Dean. Mr. Dean was not

in the office at the time. I tried to reach him

and couldn't. Mr. Kehrli advised me that they had

Mr. Hunt's safe in this room, 522, and it had been

drilled and that WIr. Dean had asked that he be

present when the safe was opened. I then tried to

finds Dean and could not, and I knew that WIr.

Kehrli had come in from his home upon advice that

the safe was open, so I said, 'Shell, if Mr. Dean

wants somebody to be up there, I'll come UD

there." That's how I ended up in Room 522.

Q The safe was then open, I assume, when youwere there?

A Yes. By way of background, it is ma-

understanding, and I didn't know this at the

time, that the Secret Service

retyped from indistinctoriginal

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l

15.5 CHARLelgS COLSON MART STASEEiR SEPTEMBER IS7d j 4.

/~.f 8 , _

Osenl-nc Statement of C arles rig ColsonBefore S_3e-t Com item onPresidentialC~_XDa~h_. Ac-iv-ities2 U 7Q'L'C._Stares Senute

I appreciate the opportunity to present this

openinO statement to your Committee. I shall tirst

attempt to the best oa my recollection to recount Dy

knowledge of the extents surrounding the Watergate Affair.

I will also attempt, if I may, to Rive this

Committee some insight into the mood and atmosphere which

existed in the TVhite House durina the Wixor. vears. I

have Tollol7ad vour proceedings to date; it is clear that

you are seeking to de_e.:mine not only What in fact

happened, but why and norv these things could have

happened.

AS TO l-IEFACTS:

I first heard that there had been a burglary at

the Democratic Wation21 CcTalitSee h2adqu3rters on the

radio. T t :a- S.-ur>iar, Juice 17, 979 I thoLlz,h~; it

was no mor_ thao an o-;dinrLv burial xi -~ one mcl-e

add;~ioil -o the Do C. crime

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15.5 CHARLESCOLSOy DRAFT STATEMENT. SEPTEMBER 197Jr 1 4 4 *

take steps to formally process

Hunt's termination, such as the

cancellation of his White House

pass, the surrender of documents,

etc.

X 3. We learned -- to my surprise -- that Mr.

Hunt still maintained a safe in an

office in the Executive Office

Building. I suggested to Dean that he

take custody of the safe. I was

certain in my own mind that there

would be an investigation if the

facts established that-Hunt had had

any connection with the Watergate

breakin. It was my views that the

ignite House counsel had a

responsibility to secure the safe

and any other evidence. Contrary to

Mr. Dean's testimony (TR 2169), I had

had no communications from Hunt

over that weekend; no one suggested

that I remove anything from the safe.

I never saw the safe nor was I aware

of the contents of the safe. As a

matter of fact, it was not until late

June, after pu.licat-ivn of a

Scripps-lioward

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16. Immediately before the meeting specified in paragraph

14, John Dean asked Gordon Liddy to advise Howard Hunt that

he should leave the country. Liddy contacted Hunt and told

him that "they" wanted Hunt to get out of town. Dean states

that he took this action on instructions from Ehrlichman,

and that Dean retracted his instruction shortly after

he gave it. Ehrlichman has denied that he gave suchinstructions.

_ _

Page16.1 John Dean testimony, 3 SSC 934 204

16.2 E. Howard Hunt testimony, SSC Executive Session,July 26, 1973, 210-12 205

16.3 E. Howard Hunt testimony, 9 SSC 3690 208


16.5 Transcript of tape recorded conversation betweenKen Clawson and John Ehrlichman, March or April1973, SSC Exhibit No. 108, 7 SSC 3009 211

16.6 Transcript of tape recorded conversation betweenCharles-Colson and John Ehrlichman, April 17,1973, SSC Exhibit No. 109, 7 SSC 3010-11 212

16 7 United States v. Mitchell indictment.March 1.

16.8 Robert Bennett deposition, Democratic NationalCommittee v. McCord, April 19, 1973, 25, 29-32 217

(203)

instructed by Haldeman to go through all of fair. Haldeman's filesover the weekend and remove and destroy damaging materials. Ike

told me that this material included such matters as memorandums fromthe reelection committee, documents relating to wiretap informationfrom the DNC, notes of meetings with Haldemann and a documentwhich reflected that Haldeman had instructed Magruder to transfer

his intelligence gathering from Senator Muskis to Senator McGovern.Strachan told me his files were completely clean.

I spoke with Mr. Eleindienst and he told me that both the FBIand the D.C. Metropolitan Police were investigating, and he assumedthat the FBI would take full jurisdiction of the case shortly. He alsoalluded to his encounter with Liddy at Burning Tree Country Club,

but did not explain this in full until I later met vith him. I do nothave a record of when I met with WIr. Kleindienst, but it xvas either

on Monday, the 19th, or the next day. I will describe that meetingshortly.

I met with Ehrlichman in the mid-afternoon and reported in fullmy conversation with Liddy. I also told Ehrlichman about the earliermeetings I had attended in AIitehell's office in late January and early

February and my subsequent conversation with Haldeman. He toldme he wanted to meet later with Colson and told me to attend. Ehrlich-

man also requested that I keep him advised and find out from theJustice Department on what was going on. I did not mention my con-versation with Strachan because I assumed that Ehrlichman was alrare

of this from Haldeman himself.W Later that afternoon I attended a second meeting in Ehrlichman's

office with Colson. I recall Ehrlichman asking where Hunt was. I saidI had no idea and Colson made a similar statement. Xt that point be-fore the meeting had started, Ehrlichman instructed me to eall Liddy

to have him tell Hunt to get out of the country. I did t}liS, withouteven thinking. Shortly after I made the call, however, I realized that

no one in the White House should give such an instrlletioll find raisedthe matter. A brief discussion ensued between Ehrlichman and myself.

As I recall, Ehrlichman said that he was not a fugitive from justice,so why not. I said that I did not think it vas verv wise. At this point,

Colson chimed in that he also thought it un vise and F,hrlicllmanagreed. I immediatelv called Biddy again to retract the request but heinformed me that he had already passed the message and it mifrht be

_ too late to retract.Following this brief telephone skirmish regarding Hllnt's travel

plans, the meeting turned to Hunt's status at the Unite House. I hadlearned from Fred Fielding, who I had asked to cheek on it. thatHlmt had not drawn a check from his White House consultantshipsince late Alarch of 1972. Pout as far as I knew, the recordsindicated that Hunt was still a White House consultant to Colson.After discussions of this bv Colson. who at this point wasdisowning Htlnt as a meml)er of his staff, Ehrlichman called Sir.Bruce llehrli and requested that he brine TIunt's Dersonnel recordsup to Ebrlichman's office. Before liehrli arrived, Colson raised thematter of TIunt's safe. Colsoll. without getting specific, said it wnsimperative that someone (ret tile contents of TIunt's safe. Colsonsuggested. and Ehrlichman concurred, that I talce custodv of thecontents of the safe.

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16, ? E. HOWARD HUNT TESTINONY,_JULY 26, 1973, SSC EXECUTIVE SESSI0S, 210-12

Indistinct document retypedbyHouse Judiciary Committee staff

were apprehended inside the offices of the Democratic National

Committee -

Mr. Hunto Yes, sir.

Mr. Lackritz. - could you please describe from that point

on what your reaction was, and what you did after that?

Mr. Bittman. You want to go through the whole thing again?

Mr. Lackritz. Off the record.

(Discussion off the record.)

Mr. Lackritz. Back on the record.

Mr. Hunt. After the men were apprehended and I had gone over

to the Howard Johnson Motel, I then went to the White House and

took out $10,000 from the cash box. I put $1,500 in my own

pocket, took $8,500, and after making a call from my Mullen

Company office to Mrs. Barker in Miami to advise her of the

situation, and to suggest she get in touch with Mrs.Caddy; I then

went to Mr. Caddy's apartment and gave him $8,500. After he had

secured an attorney named Rafferty, after many hours of

telephoning members of his firm that might, or might not be

available, I departed for my home.

I'm trying to keep it in the money context. On Monday,

the 19th, I was told by Mr. Liddy that they wanted me to get

out of town.

Mr. Lackritz. Now, Monday the l9th, when did you see

Mr. Liddy?

Mr. Hunt. It was, I gather, around 11, 11:30 in the


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_ . _


morning. He called me and asked me to meet him down at the corner

by the USIA Building, which is about l9th and Pennsylvania

Avenue.

It was very mysterious, we walked, and he talked; and he said,

"We want you to get out of town right away", and I expressed

surprise at that.

I said, "Well

_ purpose, where do you want me

to go", and he said, "Well -- I said, "What excuse would I have

for going". He said, "Well, your wife is in Europe, why don't

you go over and visit her for a while, spend the rest of the

summer over there, it's a free vacation".

I said, "Well, I still have two children here in the United

States", so we went on in that vain [sic] and it had been decided.

He wasn't specific as to who had instructed him to get in touch

with me, but he said, "All expenses will be paid, everything will

be taken care of"; and I said, 'What I need right now is an

attorney, you know, he has been out to visit me; I communicated

with him telephonically over the weekend."

I went home in due course and began packing, and within

a period of 45 minutes -

Mr. Lackritz. Before you get into that, when you met with

Mr. Liddy on the street corner he said "they wanted you to get

out of town", who were "they"?

Mr. Hunt. I assumed it to be the Mitchell, Magruder, Dean

group, whom I identified as the principals.

Indistinct document retypedbyHouse Judiciary Committeestaff

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211

16.2 E. HOWARD HUNT TESTIMONY, JULY 26, 1973, SSC EXECUTIVESESSION) 210-12


Mr. LackritzO You identified these individuals that you

just named as being Mr. Liddy's principals?

Mr. Hunt. Yes.

MrO Lackritz. I see. Did you ask Mr. Liddy specifically

who "they" were?

Mr. Hunt. No, I did not at that time. We, both of us, were in

a pretty emotional state at that point, and he felt it was

imparative[sic], he was relaying instructions to me to get out of

town. I resisted that instruction, I wanted legal representation.

He overcame my reluctance and I said, "All right, I've got a

pretex lsic] for going up to New York over night - in fact I did

have a conference slated for the following day in New York. So, I

went up to New York and telephoned my wife in London the following

day -- oh, it was after I got home that Mr. Liddy rescinded the

order. I was just about packed, though I had no intention of going

abroad; I didn't actually take my passport out of the drawer.

I said, "Well, I'm very concerned over the mental processes,

or the rationale of people who tell me to get out of town, nothing

else will do; and suddenly, 45 minutes later, the order is

rescinded."

I said, "What I'm going to do, you persuaded me that there

may be a reason for me to get out of town." I said, "I've

already told my employer I'm going out of town, so I'm in


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16.3 SO HOWARD BUST TESTIMONY SEPTEMBER 24.1973. 9 SSC 3690

3690

Sir. DASH. NOTNT) did you hear from Mr. Licldy during thisperiod of time?

Air. ETUNT. ARrhat period of time ?Arr. I)ASIT. Shortlx after, around June 19 or around that timerAIr. HUNT. Yes, sir, I did.err. DASH. What, if anything did he tell vou 7err. II1-5-T. Toxvard midday on the 19th, I trot n telephone call

from him at mv Mullen Co. office saving that he needed urgently tomeet me. We met at the corner of the ITSI-t building, which I l)elies-e is at 11th and Pennsylvania \X-e. ZVe met, walked around theblocks Dulin r the course of the conversation. he told me that it lvasnecessary for me to get out of towns that "thev" wanted me to get outof town.

Arr. D sslr. Did he indicate Echo "they" lvere ?AIr. HOT. Blot at that time.3Ir. DXSM. Then, was it a fact that that palticular order was

rescinded ?Mr. MINT. He told me that it was.Mr. D.\SEr. ?\O~~V. in fact, you did leave Washington, did JONnot ?Mr. HUNT. I did.Mr. DAsEr. And did you ultimately go to California ? _ WIr.

HUNT. I did.Mr. DASH. At that time, did you make arrangements to obtain

Counsel ?Mr. HUNT. I obtained local counsel in California, but not AX

ashington counsel.3Ir. DAsEr. Well, in California, who did you meet, what

California counsel ?Mr. HTUN-T I Incas staying at the home of an attorney an old

friend named Morton B. Jackson. ZIr. I,iddv appeared out thereunannounced on June 21. I reiterated my request to him that he orsomel)odv obtain counsel for me in the wasLington area. AIr. Liddvrave nle 81000 and said, this vs-ill help with .Jaclsson.

I thereupon Gave the 81,000 in cash to WIr. Jackson. retaininghim as m) counsel on the Unrest coast.

Sir. DASll. And did NIr. Jackson lefer vou to and l5~ashillcrtonlayover ?

AIr. HTrS T. In due course, he did.Atr. D sell Yes. and what lawyer was that?3Ir. HUNT. He referred me some time later to two attorneys.

neithel of whom M ere known to, I belies-e, either AIr. Jackson orma self. S;imply through an alphabetical process I decided to retails,to inqllile of AII-. Bittman avhetller or not he nvould l)e interested inrepleselltlllt nle.

WIr. DASH. And did you retain WIN. William Bittman ?iMr. HIJNT. I did.AIr. D isle. And when did you first meet AIr. Bittman in Al

ashinlrton ?AIr. HUNT. ()n the night of .J~~lv :3.BIr. D.\STI. What lvas vour llndelstaildillc. Atr. Hllat, concerning

legal fees and stlppOlt of your familx that you avoid receiverA0Tlwat eneral unclelstandincr did vou hale?

Arr. HF5-T. -tt the time Sir. I,iddv appeared at the home of Atr.Jac'^son on Anne 2l. I raised the (question with him, as I had XVit]l

16* 4 _ J0E1N EHEICHMAN ~EL;1ri0@0AZY~JULY 26- 7973. Z SS(1 91SQ 1~

2718

officer but our office also works 18 hours a dav. I have t,ot some vervloyal, hard-working, dedicated people on my staff but thev don'tworl~in a vacuum. Every one of them knows what the other one isdoing, and in our office we don't keep secrets from each other. andwhen something of importance arises that they think I, as a U.S.Senator from Georgia, ought to know, they don't conceal it. Theybring it to me and inform me, and I can act on it intelligently and notin the dark.

Mr. Chairman, I yield the floor.Senator ERVIN. Senator Gurney.Senator GURNEY. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.On June 19, Mr. Ehrlichman, you had a meeting, I believe, with

Mr. Colson and Mr. Dean. And there has been testimony here thatthere was some discussion at that meeting about instructions to Mr.Hunt to leave the country. Can you shed some light on this ?

Mr. EHRLICEMAN. I believe I can, Senator. There were twoother people at that meeting also, Atr. Kehrli, the staff secretary and3Ir. Clawson. I think the first time I heard this story about gettingHunt out of the country, and I take it that is what you are referringto, was sometime this year, either late in March or early in April,when Mr. Dean in my office told me I had said that. He said verydramatically,

I went to that telephone over there to the corner of your office and I picked it up and calledsomebody and sent IIunt out of the country and you remember that just a half hour later wedecided that we shouldn't do that and I vent back and called it off.

Senator GURNEYS When did this meeting occur ?Mr. EHRLICH}rAD;. Dean is recounting this to me this year.Senator GURNEY. Yes.Mr. EERLICH3fAN. Sometime late March, early April,

someplace in there. I said, "John, I don't think that ever happened.When is that supposed to have happened ?"

Ele said, "That was at the meeting where we talked about Htmtand his plight and his safe and you remember that.n

And I said, "No, sir. I sure don't."Now, coming off of that encounter. I thought it was a dead

i s s u e until after the President had talked with Henry Petersenaround April 15, someplace in there, and the President then said tome, "The prosecutor says vou tried to get Hunt out of the country."

And I said; "No. sir."Now. I called Mr. Kehrli and I called Mr. Clawson and I called

Mr. Colson and I said. "What do you remember about this meeting.this is supposed to have happened ?"

,enator G U R ? w R Y . This is after vou and Dean had yourconfrontation.

BIr. ElIRLIcHBrAs. And after I had been informed that he hadapparently given this storv to the prosecutor. And each of them.IZehrli and Clawson said, no. Clawson said first "What do vou wantme to remember" or something to that effect, and I said. "I want vouto remember evervthine that happened four square because this issomethin¢ I am drawinffl a plan on."

And he said "It didn't happen as far as I can recall."But anvway I <rot to Sir. Colson and he said. "That didn't happen

in vour office. that happened in mv office." And he said. "I had aconversation with John I)ean about that and T told John T)ean 'Forzood

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ness sakes, if you try to send Hunt out of the country turn it off., It is a dumb idea.' And he did."

Senator GURNEY. How did Colson know that Dean had tried to tellHunt to get out of the country or told him to get out of the country?hIr. EHRLICH3IAN. Because Colson said, ';He tried to peddle thatstory to me."Senator GURNEY. When did he try to peddle that story ?Mr. E1IRLICH3I SN. He didn't tell me. But then in checking around abit I discovered that in this time era, Sir. Dean lvas apparently saltingthe mine a little bit. He svas getting around and sufir~esting events todifferent people. He did the same thing Faith Mr. HaLdeman, I under-stand, and these—Senator GURNEY. On the Hunt again 1!Mr. EHRLICH3rAN. NO; this nvas on something else. and I can'tremember what it was but I just remember Haldeman saying, "Well,that happened, you know he nvas in here peddling one of these storiesto me."Senator GURNEY. This is all during the period of Starch and Vpril,somewhere in there.Mr. EHRLICH3lAN. This svas after the Camp David attempt by ZIr.Dean to collect his thoughts.Senator GlrRNEY. I see.Mr. EHRLIC11BIAN~. And so, anyway, Colson told me this, and thatconcluded the matter as far as I was concerned in corroborating myabsence of any recollection of such a thing haling happened. Butapparently there was a pattern through those seeks of Dean trving toassert these sort of antics to the landmark across the landscape.Senator GIJRN-EY. Did you go back to Dean after that and say ';Ichecked this story on you and it never happened. 5N'hy are You tellingme this?"Sir. EERL}CH3r&X. NO; by that time Atr. Dean and I avere not com-municating with one another.Senator GURNEY. l.Vhat other things did he trv to peddle to vvhomqAIr. EHRLICII)XAN. Other than this particular tale to Mr. Colson andme and the one about bIr. Haldeman which I am sorry to sav I can trecall. The deep-six business of the disposal of the document vas alsogiven to the prosecutors and came back to me the same wave That hedid not try to plant on me that I can recall.SenatOl GERN-EY. Why vvould he plant the Hunt story, I mean whatpurpose svould that serve ?Mr. EHRLICTI3rAN. I confess, I don't know except—well, this is reallyremote, but I do understand that in fact Atr. Dean did make the CAII tohave Hunt leave the eountrv, and like some other episode that vve dis-cussed the other day he has tried apparentlv to tie events of that kindto someone else's allthoritv.DFo v, I don't know the date of the actual call btlt I have heard and.as I say this is really secondllalld, that Hunt mt such a call, either totit from Dean or ore Dean s sav-so and it s a little bit like the AtcCord-Caulfield situation, he is tvina it back to me.Senator GoT;sEr. Is far as voll are concerned vou never gave himthat instruction?AIr. ErTRl.lclrzr.Vs-. Correct.Senator (;lTr~N-El-. At this Tulle 19 meeting or an} other meetingfSir. ErIRLIClIAt.\N. That is corrects

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Conversation with E:en ClawsonC. Cla vson.E. Ehrlichman.

E. You called me?C. No I didn't call you.E. I'm sorry. I got a message at home to call you. I'll be jiggered. Is this Isen Clawson.

C. Unless it avas Jim Clawson.E Couldn't have been. Isn't that strange. Gee I hope I didn't wake you up.C I'm out of it with this damn cold.E. Oh, that's too bad. While I have you could I ask you something. I'm awfully sorry to bother you.

You may recall a meeting in my office which I think you sort of convened to talk about apress report during the Watergate aftermath, when it broke, a press report about Hunt's safebeing in the White House. and you and Chuck and Bruce Rehrli came up here and met withDean and me to talk about what you know what our response should be and so forth. Do youremember that ?

C. Vaguely. I remember better an earlier meeting in which the question was should we give outHunt's dates of employment and what Charley's role was in hiring him.

E. Yeah. lVeU, this focuses particularly on what ve ought to do about the contents of the safe, whatwe ought to say to the press, what use ought to do about Hunt and so forth. Do you have anypresent recollection of that?

C. A vague memory, yeah, but I don't recall any of the details of it.E. Shell, it's interesting because Dean who as you know has talked to the U.S. Attorney at great

length, cites some comments of mine in that meeting as evidence of corrupt attitude on mypart and I'm looking for anybody who can help me to recall what took place there.

C. That's a helluva note, John.E. I agree.C. If you want me to be forthwith and straightforward with you, I'll reeollect anything you want me

to.E. Novell, no, let me, let me tell you what my problem is and then you can . . . I've got to tell what I

recall and what I don't recall. He alleges that I said two things at that meeting. One that weought to deep six the contents of the safe, quote, unquote. And, two, that we ought to get lIuntto leave the country.Oh, I could . . . listen, John, if anything like that. If either one of those two things were said thatvould be vivid in my mind.I would think so. I would think so.And that's objectively.Now, in point of fact, Dean phoned Liddy and asked Liddy to have Hunt leave the country.That's new news to meYeah, but you see this . . . and what he's doing is saying well I was just being a good Germanand carrying out orders.No, I would have absolutely no trouble in remembering either one of those two things had thatbeen said.Vell, OR.I would just remember that

Yeah, that's a fairly dramatic event OK, thank you very much. Awfully sorry to have botheredyou. I just don't understand.If there's anything I can do in this thing, please let me . . . I will. I will.Thank you, lien.

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Conversation with Chuck Colson, April 17,1973. C.Oolson. H. Holly Holm (Colson's secretary). 13.Ehrlichman.

E. HeUo.Hello, Air. Colson's office..

Yes, this is John Ehrlichman Hi,Mr. Ebrlichman.Air. Colson in?Yes, just a minute please. C.

IIeUo.E. Eli.C. Ili, John. I'll be over about 11 if that's convenient. E. Fine,that's very good.C. T vo quick questions, though. One thing I should tell you is that our great find last night really

started accelerating Something coming out this mornin& Dean involved. Now I notiee the LATimes has it this morning but the people that Shapiro has been getting information from, youknow, the town is buzzing with, is alive with the story, so I don't think we have a helluva lot Oftime.

E. All right.C. I just thought I'd let you know that. E. Iappreciate it.C. Did he, when he went over there, was he given any immunity? E. Not yet.

What they've done, apparently. C.They shouldn't give it to him.E). I know it. What they said to him is that unless he turns up corroborated evidence against

Haldeman and me.C. Is that who he's trying to make?E. Sure.C. Who, Dean is? E.Rep.- That's John Mitchell again. Son of a bitch.

Unless he does that he doesn't get immunity. Now my grapevine tells me that you are going tobe summoned over there today.Oh, really?Yep. And that they're going to ask you about a meeting in my office which Dean hashighlighted as the central gemstone in the case against me and so just in case you get hauledover there before 1I o'clock, maybe I'd better tell you about it. It was a meeting that Sehrli,Clawson, you, Dean and I had here.I vvasn't there. Inmy office.I was not there. Dean tried this one out on me Friday night, and I said the only thing I ean everrecall, John, is I once told you I thought it was a stupid, god-damn thing for Elunt to beunavailable.Well, that's the meeting where supposedly I ordered him to ted IIunt to leave the country.Never heard that. A nd I will SO state under oath.Or that I admonished everyone that we ought to figure out some way to deep six the contentsOf Bunt's safe.No. -No way. I vas the one who said go get Ennt's sate and be sure it's preserved for the FBJ.Right.

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A. andAB it's stupid to get another country. But that was in my office not

I can handle that one easily. But you werenot in a meeting here?

That's the way. Off.A11 right ? I can handle thatThank you, I'll see you at 11

here but we'll talk aboutgthat buatnndOI In,med to do to proteet each others dank Fair enough.Let' get it clearly understood that son of a bitch doesn't get i~nunits.

lVell I'm doing my best. No, I want to nail him I'll takeimmunity flrst.

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6. AS. V. g}lChbZl IDD]~'Izz~zU, hA^GH i, 150~ is 7-8UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT ~FOR TilE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA

| UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

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) Criminal No. :~ 4t~?J

) Violation of 18 U.S.C.JOHN N. MITCHELL, HARRY R. ) HE 371, 1001, 1503, 1621,HALDE~U1N, JOHN D. EHRLICHEAN, ) and 1623 (conspiracy,CHARLES W. COLSON, ROBERT C. ) false statements to aMPiRDIAN, KENNETH W. PARKINSON, ) government agency, ob-and GORDON STRACIIAN, ) struction of justice,

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INDICTMENT

The Grand Jury charges:

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Introduction

1. On or about June 17, 1972, Bernard L. Barker,

Virgilio R. Gonzalez, Eugenio R. Martinez, James W.

McCord, Jr. and Prank L. Sturgis were arrested in the

offices of the Democratic National Committee, located in

the Watergate office building, Washington, D. C., while

attempting to photograph documents and repair a

surreptitious electronic listening device which had

previously been placed in those offices unlawfully.

2. At all times material herein, the United States

Attorney's Office for the District of Columbia and the

Federal Bureau of Investigation were parts of the

DeFartment of Justice, a department and agency of the

United States, and the Central Intelligence Agency was an

agency of the United States.

3. Beginning on or about June 17, 1972, and

continuing up to and including the date of the filing of

this

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16.? U.S. I. MILCH

of Columbia, both prior to and subsequent to

the return of the indictment on September

15, 1972.

(f) The conspirators would make and cause to

be made offers of leniency, executive clemency

and other benefits to E. Howard Hunt, Jr., G.

Gordon Liddy, James W. McCord, Jr., and Jeb S.

Magruder.

(g) The conspirators would attempt to

obtain CIA financial assistance for persons who

were subjects of the investigation referred to

in paragraph three (3)

above.

(h) The conspirators would obtain information from the FBI

and the Department of Justice concerning the progress of the

investigation referred to in paragraph three (3) above. 18. In

furtherance of the conspiracy, and to effect the objects thereof,

the following overt acts, among others, were committed in the

District of Columbia and elsewhere:

rOVERT ACTS

1. On or about June 17, 1972, JOHN N. MITCHELL met with ROBERT C.

MARDIAN in or about Beverly Hills, California, and requested

MARDIAN to tell G. Gordon Liddy to seek the assistance of Richard

G. Kleindienst, then Attorney General of the United States, in

obtaining the release of one or more of the persons arrested in

connection with the Watergate break-in. 12

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2. On or about June 18, 1972, in the District of

Columbia, GORDON STRACHAN destroyed documents on the instructions

of HARRY R. HALDEMAN.

3. On or about June 19, 1972, JOHN D. EHRLICHMAN met with

John W. Dean, III, at the White House in the District of Columbia,

at which time EHRLICHMAN directed Dean to tell G. Gordon Liddy that

E. Howard Hunt, Jr., should leave the United States.

4. On or about June 19, 1972, CHARLES W. COLSON and JOHN D.

EHRLICHMAN met with John W. Dean, III, at the White House in the

District of Columbia, at which time EHRLICHMAN directed Dean to take

possession of the contents of E. Howard Hunt, Jr.'s safe in the

Executive Office Building.

5. On or about June 19, 1972, ROBERT C. MARDIAN and JOHN N.

MITCHELL met with Jeb S. Magruder at MITCHELL's apartment in the

District of Columbia, at which time MITCHELL suggested that Magruder

destroy documents from Magruder's files.

6. On or about June 20, 1972, G. Gordon Liddy met with

Fred C. LaRue and ROBERT C. MARDIAN at LaRue's apartment in the

District of Columbia, at which time Liddy told LaRue and MARDIAN

that certain "commitments" had been made to and for the benefit

of Liddy and other persons involved in the Watergate break-in.

7. On or about June 24, 1972, JOHN N. MITCHELL and ROBERT

C. MARDIAN met with John W. Dean, III, at 1701 Pennsylvania Avenue in

the District of Columbia, at which time MITCHELL and MARDIAN

suggested to Dean that the CIA be requested to provide covert funds

for the assistance of the persons involved in the Watergate break-in.

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White House.

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Q In what context did that interest express itself?

A He said a friend of his had developed a device, which,

as he described it, was very, very sophisticated in the realm

of electronic surveillance. He said it could be attached to a

piece of furniture, that it was voice actuated so that the

batteries or whatever power source it had would be preserved

and that it was in w lnerable to an electronic sweep and

suggested that maybe some of our clients would be interested

in knowing about the existence of this device. If they were,

he said he could introduce them to the individual who had

developed it. I checked and none of our clients had any

interest in it.

Q Did he ever show you one of these devices?

To

A No.

Q Did he ever show you any kind of electronic equipment?

A No.

| Q When was the first time after June 17, 1972, whenyou

saw Mr. Hunt?

A The following Monday morning when I got to work.

Q Was he already there?

A Yes.

Q What time did you get to work that morning?

A I can't recall specifically. 9:00, 9:15.

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Q Prior to this conversation with Mr. Gregory on

that Wednesday, had you had any indication of any of

the kinds of work that fir. Hunt was doing?

A Only that he was involved in thecampaign.

Q You had no indication then that his work may

have involved bugging, wiretapping and the like?

A No.

Q On Monday, the l9th, when you saw Mr. Hunt, did

you have any discussion with him then concerning the

problem that Tom Gregory was having?

A No.

Q Did you raise the question withhim?

A r;O.

Q Did you have the opportunity on that Monday to

discuss that problem with him?

A I suppose I did, but, that not being the

principal item of concern that day, I didn't think to

bring it up.

Q The principal item that day was the newpaper

reports, the stories about the Watergate break-in?

r

A That's correct, plus the fact that there were two

FBI agents that came to the office to see Mr. Hunt. That

kind of cleared everything else away.

Q What time did those FBI agents get there?

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A Around noon.

Q Prior to noon, you talked to Mr. Hunt, but he did not

want to discuss anything; is that Corrects

A That's correct.

Q You did not take that opportunity at that time to

discuss Mr. Gregory's problem?

A That's Correct.

Q What did Mr. Hunt do at the office that morning?

A I don't know. I had a very busy morning, which was

why I couldn't take the time to probe with him further and

spent the morning in my own office working on my own

problems.

Q Did Mr. Hunt remain at the office all day?

A No. As I left for lunch, he joined me on the elevator

saying that he was going out to his oeulist to get his

glasses and that he might not be back that afternoon, the

oeulist shop being in Roekville. When I got back from lunch,

the FBI agents were there and Howard was not.

Did you go to lunch with Mr.Hunt?

no .

You simply left the building together; is thatcorrect?

~ Yes, that's correct. The Came back later that

afternoon and I told him that the FBI •>zas looking for

him.

Q Nslhat did he say?

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A Ele said, "I have no reason to talk to them.| nI

don't have to talk to them,n I think was his exact

phrase. Q A Q

anyone?

Did he again leave the office that afternoon?

Yes r he did.

Thereafter, did you receive any telephone callsfrom

A Yes. Gordon Liddy called.

Q About what time did Mr. Liddy call?

A I would guess this would be in the late afternoon.

3:30 or 4:00 o'clock.

Q On what telephone did Mr. Liddy call?

A He called through the regular switchboard. That is,

through the regular phone system.

Q How busy was Mr. Hunt's private telephone that

afternoon while he wasn't there?

A

Q

I do not know.

What did Mr. Liddy want to do? Did he want totalk

A

Q

A Yes.

Q Did he ask to speak to you after he found out that

Did you speak with Mr.

Liddy?

Mr. Hunt was notpresent?

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A I believe so. Again, that would have been handled

by the secretary.

Q What was the nature of the conversation?

A He wanted to know where Howard was.

Q What did you tell him?

A I told him that as far as I knew Howard was at homes

that he had left the office telling me that he had planned

to leave town until the concern about the Watergate had

blown over and that he was going home to pack.

Q Did that satisfy Mr. Liddy?

A Mr. Liddy said, "Will you get in touch with him and

tell him that the signals have changed and he's to stay

put." I called Mr. Hunt's home and gave him that message,

whereupon he commented, "I wish they'd make up their

minds."

You called him at home and he was at home at thattime?

That's right.

Approximately what time wasthat?

That would be in the afternoon immediately after

the call from Gordon.

Q Give us that time.

A 3:30 or 4:00 Q 'clock.

Q Did you have any further conversation that day or tnat

night with Mr. Hunt or Mr. Liddy?

17. On the evening of June 19, 1972 John Mitchell met at

his apartment in Washington, D. C. with John Dean, Jeb

Magruder, Robert Mardian and Fred LaRue and discussed the

break-in at the DNC head

quarters.

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being because I has-e never quite got to the bottom of it, svas after Atr.Arardian and Atr. LaRue had met with Atr. Lid(l~- and Atr. LiddJprovided them with quite an extensive story on BIr. Liddy's activities.

Air. DASH. Will you tell us briefly what that extensive story included?

Mr. MITCTrELL. Mrell, it included the fact that he •vas involvedwith other individuals in the Watergate activity, that he had also madesurveillance of McGovern headquarters, I believe it lvas, and that hehad previously, as part of what has since become l;noxvn as thePlumbers group, acted extensively in certain areas while he was at theWhite House in connection with the Ellsberg matter, in the Dita Beardmatter and a felv of the other little gems.

WIr. DAS}I. AVhen you say the Ellsbera matter what specifiGall~-are you referringto?

hIr. WIlTczELL. grell, I am referring to, avell, it certainly wasn'tthe prosecution.

Bfr. DASH. NO.Mr. MITCHELL. Obviously it had to do with the surreptitious entry

of the doctor's office in California.Mr. DASFI. And when you refer to the Dita Bearcl matter what

specifically did you learn through Ak. LaRue and Or. Alardian?AIr. MITCHELL. AVell, if mv recollection is correct he aras assisting

in spiriting her out of nvheres-er they spirited her out of, either NewYork or MrashinSton.

BIr. D.sswr. Pitas there a meeting in Tour apartment on the eveningthat you arrived in llrashinyton on June ID, attended bv Afr. I,aRue,Atr. Atardian, BIr. Dean ^5Ir. Magruder

Afr. AtlTcfilz.r.L. AIafrrnder and mvself, that is correct.Mr. DASH. Do you recall the pilrpose of that meeting, the discussion

that too}; place there i'WIr. AIXTCTIELL. I recall that eve had been tras elina all day and,

of courses eve had verv little information about what the current statusdivas of the entry of the I)emocrntic National Committee, and Eve metat the apartment to discuss it. Thev svere. of course. clamoring for a

I response from the committee becalise of AIr. WIcCord's involvement,l et cetera, and eve had quite a general discussion of the subject matter.

Arr. D.\STl. Do you recall nnV discussion of the so-called eitherGem-

stone files of m-iretal)pin~ files that vou had in vour possession?Atr. WIITOT1ELL. No: I had not heard of the Gemstone files as of

that meeting and. as of that date. I had not heard that anvbod~- there atthat plilticulal meeting linen of the lviretappin(r aspects of that or hadanv connection with it.

Afr. T) NSIT. I)id either vou or anvbodv in vollr presence at thatmeetiny discuss Atr. I,ickly h.ivintr a Food fire at his house?

Atr. ATlTcylEv.X.. Not in mv recollection lvas there any- disetlssionof clestrlletion of documents at that meeting

ar.. T).\STr. Toll are alvare of the testimonv of Atr. AtaoTncler thathe did vet the idea to destroy the documents and he did in fact burn the(Senlstone docnnlents?

Arr. Arrrz IlFl.n T anl aware of his testimony and I thinlx histestinlonx lvas one of these ~enelXll tllill(rs It lvas deeitle(l that orsometllin.r to that etie(t l)ut to nls rscollcttioll, there lvas no suchdisellssioll of it.

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rsince this break-in was done in a rather amateurish essay thatpossiblv there xvas some double-aSeIlt activity roinr on hele, andvve were honesty coned ned about our oxvn files.

I did ask Alr. Reisner to remove certain files—my adveltising file,the budget file, our strateD file and the gemstone Ale. Then I talkedTitle hint and 3tl. Odle, an(l AIr. Odle tool; the Gemstone file home.

Air. DASH. Did v otl talk to anybodv else from California ?AIr. MAGRUDER. lVell, yes, I tallied to Powell Aloore, as I

recall. I cannot recall any other specificallyAIr. DASH. Did you call AIr. Strachan ?Air. AIAGRtrDER. Oh, yes, I called AIr. Strachan that evening.3Ir. DASH. What did you tell Stir. Strachan ?AIr. MAGRUDER. I told him—of course, he linew no more than

Eve knexv. He knew that they had been apprehended, and •ve had aproblem and just discussed in a sense that ve had a problem, andwe did not quite know what to do about it. At that time, Eve hadheard that there vas some money at that time found on theindividuals, and we had hoped that it lvas money that had beenfound at the Democratic National Committee, but unfortunately, itvas our money So Eve, in effectse just discussed the problem. Wehad no answers, obviously, at that time.

Or. DASH. Did you receive a call f rom 3rr. Haldeman ?3rr. 3I.vGRtrDER. Yes. The next morning on Sunday-, I received

a call from WIr. Haldeman. He asked me what had happened. .-tgain, I told him basically—

Atr. DASH. From where was he calling ?WIr. 3IAGRIJDER. Key Biscayne, Fla.He just asked me the basic background of the break-in and what

had happened. I just told him what had happened. He indicated that Ishould get back to Washington immediately since no one in anyposition of authority lvas at the committee and to tall; with AIr. Deanand AIr. Strachan and 3Ir. Sloan and others on 3Iondav to trv to findout what actually had happened and whose money it was and so on.

SIr. DASH. Noav, you did return to Washington ?AIr. l\IAcrslrDER. Yes, I did.WIr. DASH. And would you tell us briefly, but as specificall)

as you can, vhat 5 ou did as soon as y ou returned to Washingtonand who you met with ?

Fir. AIAGRIJDER. Well. on Mondav, I met with AIr. Dean, AIr.Strachan, 3Ir. Sloan, AIr. Liddy. AIr. Biddy and I did not reallyhave too much to say to each other. He said he had roofed, and Iaccepted that on face valise. There reallv vas not much to discuss atthat time.

I determined from Ail. Sloan that the monev lvas our money notsomeone else's money.

Air. I)ean and I discussed the problem in terms of what Eve nveregoing to do as to Fir. Strachan and I.

Sir. DASH. Did yowl have a meeting Oll that evening the eveningof June 1!), when ! ou came back to Al ashillrton, in Sir. Mitchell sapartment ?

3tl-. At voRt,mER. Yes Wk. 3titehell flesv back that Monday with311. TJaRlle and Atr. Arardian. Fire met in his apartment with Atr.Dean. Til.lt svollld have been 3rr. Xlitchel}, Atr. LaRue Ott. Dean,AIr. Alardinll and mxsclf; and the general disenssioll again divaswhat were Eve ,,oin.r to do about the problem? It divas again, Evehad very little

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information. We did not, of course, know what type of investigation would then be held. And we talkedabout types of alternative solutions.

One solution was recommended in which I was to, of course, destroy the Gemstone file. So I called myoffice and—

Sir. DASH. That solution came up as a result of that meeting}

WIr. MAGRUDER. Wel}, I think yes, it was generally concluded that

. that file should be immediately destroyed.

AIr. FDASH. Noxv, as to Sir. Dean's participation, by the way, in these meetings, was 3rr. Dean operatingon his own, or what was your understanding of AIr. Dean's role at these meetingsE

AIr. 3IAGR~ER. 3Ir. Dean was the person who had worked with us on many of these legal matters. He

had brought Atr. Liddy to the meeting. He was a close associate of ours through Mr. 3Iitehell, and, of course,

all of us knew Sir. Dean very well. And he was one person from the White House who worked with us very

closely. It was very natural for Mr. Dean in this situation to be part of our meetings at this point in time

because of his association and of his background.

3rr. DASH. And would he, from your understanding, be representing any \'Vhite House interest at thesemeetings?

3Ir ttAGR~ER. I think you would really have to ask Mr. Dean that question.

3Ir. DASH. Now, did you instruct Mr. Reisner to destroy any other files ?

3Ir. '3IAGR~ER. As I recall, I asked Sir. Reisner to cull through my files, pull out any sensitive material

that could be embarrassing to us. There was the suit that was placed against us by the Democratic National

Committee that asked for immediate disclosure. As I recall, we all indicated that we should remove and

documents that could be damaging, whether they related at all to the MJTatergate or not.

aft. DASH. 3Ir. Sloan has testified before the committee, Blr. 3Iagruder, that shortly after your return and

after the brealc-in, that you aslied him to perjure himself concerning the amount of money that ear. Sloan had

given Mr. Lidda. Could thou state your oven recollection of that discussion Keith 3Ir. Sloan?

Arr. 3tAGRIJDER. 5ATell, the first discussion—we had two meetings on Monday. The filEt. meeting was

when I determined from him that the money xvas our money and we discussed that ill his office. And he came

llp to my office, and in attempting to allay his concerns or to help him in some sense, crime Some advice, I

think, we talked about N-hat would he do about the money.

Cry ullderstalldincr of the new election lalv indicated that he nvould be personally liable for cash funds

that were not reported. These vele slot reported funds. ,<to I indicated at that nleetilltr that I tholl(rllt he had a

problem and might has-e to do something about it.

He said, you nlean conAmit l)eljulv? I said, thou nli rllt have to do somethillfr like that to solve )'0111'l)loblelll and vein llonestlv. xvas doing that in t ood faith to Arr. Siloan to assist him at that tinge.

Nolv, later Eve Illet three tinless t.^vice that xveel; artd once after he retulll(d from his vacation. Tlutt xvason the subject of lloxv much money lead been allocated to Air. I,idclv. ?;oxv. 1. in tllilll;i.lg of about 7nlontlls from the tinle Eve alltlloli%ed tlve funnels to the tinle of the

Novelllbel election, I tlloulrllt that Or. I,iddV sllollkl lucre received

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LI am very much gratified by this information. I thinly the information will enable the committee to expedite its

investigation, and I think it was a very vise decision on the part of the President.

Senator BA1i:ER. Arr. Chairman, may I join in expressing my great delight at the decision of the President

communicated to you by Secretary Shultz. I avant to commend you as well as the members of the committee for handling

this matter in a v ay that permitted this accord and this agreement to take place. The committee, I believe, forebore from

tryine to create a legal confrontation that might have jeopardized the possibility of negotiating a settlement to this

controversy. It would appear that the WNthite House has sho vn its spirit of cooperation and response.

I have nothing but commendation for the committee, especially for the chairman and for the President, in negotiating a

rather delicate situation involving the most fundamental concept, that is, the doctrine of separation of powers, in a way that

avoided a confrontation and will apparently Give this committee access to relevant parts of extremely important information

bearing on critical features of this inquiry.

Thank you.

Senator ERVIN-. I would like to take this occasion to add these words. I do not believe that any investigating committee

in the history of the Congress has been able, as eve have been thus far. to investigate such highly controversial matter as eve

have been investigating with such unanimity of agreement among the committee members as to the steps to be taken, and

with more wonderful cooperation on the part of all the members of t.he committee.

Counsel may resume the interrogation of the witness.

Mr. H=sZrILTON-. BIr. AIardian. Then eve broke for kmch ore vfere dis cussing the meeting in WIr. AIitchell's

apartment on the evening of June 19, and I v.-ould like to return to that in my questioning.

Who was present at that meeting ?

Mr. AIARDIAN-. Based upon my reconstructed recollection. I would say WIr. Mitchell, Mr. Magruder. WIr. Dean and, I

believe, there was one PR person present from the office of public information; I am not sure of that.

Mr. HA3tILTON-. Was WIr. LaRue at that meeting?

Sir. BIAXIAL. 3Ir. LaRue.

WIr. HAMILTON. No v, is there a possibility that the PR person, the press spokesman, actually met the party at the

airport and did not return to WIr. Atitchell's apartment ?

Mr. MARDI4\D;. It is possible because I do not have a very clear recollection of that meeting.

Mr. H.\3tILTON. Would you give US, to the best of 5 our recollection, the topics that vere discussed at this meetings

Arr. AIABLAN-. The onlv txvo things I recall of that meeting is that there lvas a need for a statement from the office of

public information for Afr. Mitchell. I do not recall discussing it or participating in it. I do not recall what the es ent vs as. I

recall discussing the need for obtaininte the resources of a la~v firm, because I belies-e it avas announced that day, or vane

vere informed that night, that a lawsuit •vas going to be filed the next morning by the Democratic National Committee

against the Committee To Recollect the President. End mV best recollection is that there lvas a discussion as to •vho eve

should retain.

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Mr. LARGE. As I recall, AIr. Thompson, it would be, that would be, on Tuesday or Wednesday.

Afr. THOMPSON. All right, the 30th was on a Thursday The following Tuesday or Wednesday. All right.What did you do when you returned ? Did you resume your duties at the Committee To Reselect, did you gointo the office the first day you returned, did you take a little more time off ?' Ap.tat did you do ?

AIr. LARGE. No, I resumed my duties.

Mr. THoAXPSON-. All right. Do you recall when the first time you saw Magruder xvas after you returned?

3Ir. LARGE. I vouid assume certainly that day.

Arr. TErO3IPSON. Let me ask you this. In discussing the matter with AIavruder, is it your understandingeither from what he told you or from your olvn independent recollection that this telephone call came beforeor after WIarch 30 ?

Air. LARGE. I cannot relate it to that timeframe but any particular timeframe, but since the call allegedlyinvolved the approval of the Liddy budget I Ovoid assume that it came after or

AIr. TIlourPsoDf. If Eve are following logic and it did have to do with the Liddy budget it would bebefore ?

Mr. LARGE. It would be prior; yes, prior to the Key Biscayne meeting, yes, sir.

Mr. THOMPSON. All right. Did Magruder tell you whether or not he remembered that it had come before ?

AIr. LARGE. I do not recall that kind of discussion. Mr. Thompson.

Mr. THoUtPSON-. It is not exactly a completely unrelated sequence of events. It looks like inreconstructing this matter if there avas outside pressure that perhaps caused him to no down to they Bisca~-ne, that vould be significant.. If, on the other hand. this vas a conversation lvhicll took place 5 or 6 davsafter the plan had already been put into effect, it vould have completely different sifflnificance, I vould think.

3Ir. L.sRI7E [conferring with counsel]. Air. Thompson. I think mv testimons before, to Mr. Dash, lvas thatmy recollection of this conversation occurred after—that this conversation occurred after the June 17 bre a l<-in . It vas rel ated

Arr. TFloZrPSON-. The conversation with Magruder vhen vou were tallying alzollt the phone call ?

Arr. LARt-E. Yes, sir. In relating to speculation as to who mav have been ins-ols-ed and who maV havehad knovled7e of the break-in, and Ata,7rllder related this phone call indicating that WIr. Colson had beenconcerned about Arr. Igidd~'s budget being approved and I do not reeall any discussion on the time periodwhen the call vas made.

Afr. Tiroz[Psos-. Yoll do slot know vhether it came before or a*er Ata rell .30 ?

Atr. L.vRr-E. No, sir, I do not.

ar . TTroarrsox. This meeting of .rtlne If, there is a conflict of testi1110110 on this y)oint. Arr. Afitehelland 3[1. T)eall have both testified that these xvas no disenssioll, as far as thev ean remembers of thedestrlletion of any records 01- l)llrllill(r allvtllilltr. Atagrllder has testified and son 11¢ ve testified that spell sIdisellssioll di(l talve plnee. NoxV, the four of vote lvere thele. I)hlS art. Ataldiall. jet us tall; about that ill nlittle mole detail. I)id \'011 arrive these to tether?

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WIr. LAREE. As I recall, Moe did not.

Mr. THOMPSON. Do you recall who arrived first, when you arrived?

. Air. LARUE. I went to the apartment with WIr. Mitchell from the plane. My best recollection is that bIr.Mardian and his wife got off at their apartment, which was a couple of blocks before you get to the Watergate,and so to reconstruct the sequence of events, I would say I arrived with fair. Mitchell and then later in theevening the other participants arrived, and I could not specifically say in what order and what time period.

Mr. THoZfPSOP~-. Do you know who arrived last ?

AIr. LARVAE. No, sir, I do not.

Mr. THONIPSON-. WVas there any substantive discussion about what you were to do and the problemthat you had before all the participants arrived ?

WIr. L\RUE. AIr. Thompson, I have a very hazy recollection of that meeting. In fact, were it not for thething that sticks in my mind, the statement about "you might have a good fire," if it were not for that, I donot think I could recall any details of that meeting at all.

WIr. THo3tPSON. Do you recall who was present when that statement was made ?

_ WIr. LARUE. No, I do not.

WIr. THOMPSON. I realize this is a difficult thing for you to have to go back to do, WIr. LaRue, butthese are matters. of course, we have to clear up if we can.

Let me ask you this, I believe you said after the break-in, you discussed this matter with Magruder. I takeit that the first time vou discussed it with him was after you discussed it with Liddv on the 20th, some timeafter that ?

WIr. LARUE. Yes, sir, I am Sure that is correct.

lSIr. THoZ[PSON-. ftll right. And Liddy had told you what with regard to who had gotten him involvedand who was pushing him?

Mr. LARUE. I don't recall any specific statements or conversations by Liddy of who got him involved. AsI recall Liddy's reasoning for the second entry of the break-in, in which they got caught, was that he had beengetting pressure from Magruder to improve the surveillance, they weren't getting proper coverage underelectronic surveillance.

WIr. T}IOZIPSON. .s11 right, then, the only person he mentioned as having applied any pressure to goback in the second time was Magruder.

BIr. LARUE. That is to the best of my recollection, yes.

AIr. T:llozrP30X. Did he mention WIr. Mitchell to you?

AIr. LARUE. No, sir. not that I recall.

AIr. TlloalPsos-. AAre have had testimony from WIr. AlcCord that Lidd!~r was telling him that AIr.Mitchell had approved it—I mean that Mitchell xvas telling Liddy; Lidcly was telling AtcCord that Mitchellwas involved and had approved the project, but Liddy did not tell you that ?

Alr. L.vRt-E. Not that I can recall, no, sir.

AIr. Tfloztvsos-. All right.

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18. On June 19, 1972 Ronald Ziegler, the President's

press secretary, described the break-in at the DNC

headquarters as "a

third-rate burglaryattempt."

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18.1 WASI1I.Vi}zGJN POSS, JirJNE 20, iS7f, Ad, At

;} J~II-e HoIIS;e~o~X8Itit;ff]1a'l;

Wies! to BazgSging l~-iSaSre

.By Bob XVoodevald

.L,,oi !:. J. Sachinski

\E.:l.:L.:~n Post stall Wrsters

.\ ~,,It,ultant to while lieu bpe ial counsel Charles \s.

ud!!Gn is listed in the addrs^, books of two of the live

mUn arrested in an attempt lo but the Democratic National

hr*alqutiters here early Saturda- fruera2 sources close to

the i~ve~ttDation said the address Woks containthe name and i:4,~~ telephone numberof Hoard E. blunt with the nolaitin: BY.Louse" and ' ZV.15."

I n a d d i t i o n , a s t a m p e d , u n m a i l e d

envelope containing l{ullt's personal check

fQI $6 and a bill for the same amount k om

the Lalecsvood Country Club in Rockvillc

also were

found among the suspects' belongings,sources said.

Hunt worked for the Central IntelligenceAgency from 19413 to 1970. All f ivesuspects in what Democratic Party chairmanL a w r e n c e F . O ' B r i e n h a s c a l l e d a n"incredible act of political espionage" havehad links lo the CIA.

unit. The Washington-based unit developslists of radicals

and draws Up contingency plans forcensorslllP f of thenews media and U.S. mail.~ • White House spokesman Ronald L.Ziegler told reporters in Florida with theP r e s i d e n t t h a t h e w v u l d . n D t

CQED ment on "a third-rate burglaryattempt." In addition Ziegler said that"certain elements may try Fto stretch thisbeyond

, • Senate Democratic leaderMike Mansfield said li~~didn't think | theIlepublicalli party

In other develooments yeFLcrday:

• it Was reported that one of the fivesuspects, Eugenzo U. A-1artinez, contactedUniversily of Aliami officials two weeksago seck ing hous ing fo r about 3 ,000Young Itepublicans during the RepublicanNaLiojlnal conventions

• Former CIh employee a,nd F131 agentJames TV. bicCora Jr ,. a suspect , whoworFd fort the RepulVlicaus jas a sedusrite coordinator, ' seryeo uÛI four.. monthss ago in - + special 1:-meniber BllltarYreserve

had any th ing td do wi th t he b i za r r ebugging incident.

• O'Brien said his - party might tak,ecivil court aclloll against ,t,he suspects because theparty's First Amendment rights and civilrights were violated.

The XVhite lTouse personnel office .,

conf i rmed - yes te rday tha t Hunt i s aconsultant to Colson and has an office inthe -old Executive Office Building. Colsooi d s a i d t o s p e c i a U z U ' I n d e l i c a t eassignments fag'fhe,Presidetlt..

See BUG, A4, Col. 1

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18.1 VAsHIDGrOli POST, JUiVg 20, 1a72,An, A4

White Hezlse Consullant T~e.d To Sust3ecst On

Bugging Case

' ' ' ' I tempted Interception of tele

BUG, From al - public relauons arrn across the strêt.lien sv. Clawson, current Hunt's name and phone white House aide who until number was in the pop up adrecently was a

reporter, wrote dress book of Eugenio blarti

in February 1971 in The nez, a real estate agent and notary pubUc who has been ac AVashmoton Post that Colsontive In the anti-Castro move had been "dubbed" as one of ment in Miami

the "on,inal back-room boys A small, black address book . . the broken, the guys who of one of the other suspects fix things

when they break also has Hunks nawne and down and do the dirty work phone number, the sources when it's necessary." ' said

- lVhen Hunt was asked by a . Aiso taken by police was a reporter yesterday why two of savinos - account book that the

suspects had his phone shows Martinez has S7,199 in a number, he said, "Good God!" lDliarni bank, according to the He then

paused and said, "In sources

view that the matter is under Another name in one of the adjudication, I have no come address books is that of James went." He

then hung up the Grimm, head of howins for telephone. t h e University of MiamLClawson, now deputy direrrlmm yesterday told Pod r

tor of corlmuricationsfor the porter Fork Scharfenbero in NVhite House, saidyesterday Miarni that Martinez contactthat Hunt worked as a White ed him abouttwo weeks ago Mouse consultant in declassify housing for about -cation of thePentagon papers 3,000 Young Republicans durand most recently on narcoticsno theRepublican National a intelligence.onvenUon. - , f . He said Hunt last workedGrimm said he could notfor the Wlute House on March provide the rooms because c 29, 1972, for a regulardaily classes would soon begim Re-I -consultant fee. These fees are publicanofficials said they u generally a $100 a day, other had no knowledge of Marti-tisources said. nez's efforts to secure housing r - "I've looked into the matter for YounoRepublicans. - fl yery thoroughly and I am con- Martinez works in the real n vincedthat neither Mr. Colsonestate agency of another of o nor anyone else at the Whitesuspects, Bernard L BarHouse bad any knowledge of, ker, who is said by Cuban exorparticipation in, this deployles to have worked for the able incident at the Demo-CIA since the Bay of Pies in,cratic National Coranuttee ' vasion in 1961.Clawson said in a prepared Baker is a joint investor in statement , severalapartment house de ^ Hunt is employed as a velopments in Miami with Avriterwith the public relax A. Suarez, a Republitions firm of,Robert R. MuUen canwho ran unsuccessfully & Co., 17P0 Pennsylvania Ave. for Dade Count mayor inN6V, directly across from both 1970.Mr. Nixon's reelection cam- In addition to Martinez and paign headquarters andthecCord, the other three susmain NVhite House offices. _ pects, all Miamiresidents, GET INSERT B have been identified as: Frank

This was the sequence of Sturgis also known as Frank events when aWashingtoniorini an American who Post reporter catted the White served inFidel Castro's revoHouse and asked to speak to tutionary army and has sinceHoward E. Hunt early yester-beea a leader in the anti-Casday: i • tro guerrillamovement; Fir

A switchboard operator gilio R. Gonzales, a locksmith; rang an extension, andwhen and Bernard L. Barker, a nano ore answered, she told the tive Arnericansaid by exiles reporter "There is one other to have worked on and off for placehe might be—in Sir. Cot- Clipsongs office." She dialed Cot-cCord was still being held son's office, where asecretarvon Si0p000 bond yesterday amd said, bilk Hunt is not here the otherfour on 550,000 bond now" She then gave the .e-They are charged with atnnrea_If-- nher at thyomntorl burglary and at

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phone and other communLcahon.A l l f i v e s u s p e c t s , w e l l d r e s s e d ,

wear ing rubber surg ica l Loves andarmed only with tear gas pens, were arrested about 2:30 a m. Saturday by D.C.police inside the sloth floor 29-officesuite of the Democratic headquarters inthe Watergate, 2S00 Virginia Ave. MU.

Though the alleged bugging attempta t f i r s t a p p e a r e d t o b e v e r ysophisticated and prefessional, expertsin the field of wiretapping- have sincesaid it was amateurish .

Capt. Richard L Franz of the Navyreserves acknowledged that McCord wasa member of the Office of EmergencyPreparedness special analysis division, al S m e m b e r r e s e r v e u n i t t h a t m e e t smonthly at 604 17th St. Nut, across fromthe Esecutive-Offiee Building. : s .

Franz said he could not dis cuss the-work . o f the un i t . However , o the rsources in the unit said teat one of itsfunctions is to develop a list of radicalsand contingency plans for censorship ofthe news media and U.S mail in eventof war.

McCord dropped out of the unit aboutfour months ago. He is a l ieutenantcolonel izi the Air Force reserves.

M e a n w h i l e , t h e I n t e r n a t i o n a lAssociation of Chiefs of PoLice reportedyesterday that they paid McCord aboutS750 in March for teaching a fivedaycourse in secur i ty a t an assoda i tonconference. ;Robert F. Bennett , president of the

publ ic re la t ions f i rm a t which Huntworks, said yesterday that the firm alsohas an affiliate, called Interprogress,that is attempting to increase Americantrade with Communist countries.

Hunt worked for :the White House atotal- of B3 days in 1971 and another 24days so far this year, according to Whitehouse spokesman Clawson.

Hunt was brought Into the NVluteHouse by CoLson because of his CIAercpertise, Clawson said. He said Colsonm e t H u n t i n 1 9 6 B a t t h e B r o w nUniversity Club.

Former Attorney General John N.Islitchell, head of the Nixon campaianc o m m i t t e e , s a i d i n a p r e p a r e dstatement released Sunday. that themPresiden's committee is expe

riencing its own security proolems.

Pressed for elaboration onRepublican security problems,DeVan L Shumway, director

of public relations for the committee,declined to give details yesterday. Hesaid investigations are under way, butrefused to disdose who was conductingthem.

Syumway said that one of the thingstha t led the commit tee to suspect ad e t e n o r a t i o n o f s e c u r i t y w a s a nAssouated Press tory last week thatdisdosed quotes f rom a closed-doormeeting between Mitchell and a seniorcommittee staff member.

X T h e s t o r y a l l e g i n g t h a t t h eRepublicans were "taraetino in" on Sen.hlcGovern, was not t rue , Shumwaysaid.)

Shurnway said that as of yesterdaymorning, McCord l was no longer on thecommit- l tee payroll - [

In response to a reporter's question,Shumway said that hIcCord had beenhired through the commiKee's personneloffice, whose director is Robert Odle.

Shunway said he would not makeOdle available to a reporter Because heis not a public figure." Odle referred areporter's questions to Shumway.

Shumway sa id that McCord wasd i s m i s s e d b y O d l e b e c a u s e o f t h ea U e g a t i o n s s t e m l m i n g f r o m t h e"delicate situa-i tion." He said that it hadbeen | Odle's responsibility to make| theo r i g i n a l c h e c k o f M c C o r d ' squalifications, and to make the decisionto hire. l

i>EcCord had been working out ofthe committee's securite office on thethird floor, Shumway said. bI assume hewas in the office on a daily basis," hesaid .

A s s e c u r i t y c h i e f , M c C o r d w a sr e s p o n s i b l e f o r s e t t i n g u p , t h ecommittee's internal secunty system and'would have the knowledge of whether wewere under e lect ronicsurvei l lance,"Shummay said.

Meanwhile, security precautions atRepublican committee headquartershave been tightened as a result of theWatergate bugging attempt, Shumwaysa id . He demur red when asked to rdetails of the new precautions

Lichen you ge t in to the a rea • ) fpolitical campaigns these clan s, youcan't discuss suchrhino (security in depth,"Shum say said.

18 .1 WASf,'YIHCTOiS POST, JUNE 20, 19Z2, Ad, AK

Joseph A. Rafferty Jr., a ~ 'a ~~-~~ ~:-~- ~=^~l counsel for the five-suspectssaid last night that he wouldfile a motion in D.C. SuperiorCourt today seeking to reducethe bail of his clients

Rafferty said he is seeking to havethe men released to the custody of acourt-ap pointed Local person." Thereduction, he said, would be in l inewith inforcnaton about the suspectsverified by bail bondsmen yesterday.

I n N e w Y o r k , w h e r e h e w a scampaigning for today's pnmary, Sen.McGovern said that the incident his thelegacy of years of wire tapping andsnooping and invasion of privacy," inw h i c h t h e g o v e r n m e n t h a s b e e ninvolved.

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evluenw LU4; ~ruulu ~ am:~ wvusns7cyw7c s coo i:|~

RepubUcan party or its lead- Writers Kirk ScluFfenoerg,ers to the weekend mcident. Ron - Shaffer and Marty

Contributing to this stoUt.. WeiL _:

19. On June 20, 1972 at 9:00 a.m. H. R. Haldeman, John

Ehrlichman and John Mitchell met to discuss the break-in at the

DNC headquarters. John Dean joined the meeting at 9:45 a.m.

Attorney General Kleindienst joined the meeting at 9:55 a.m.

Later that day, Haldeman met with the President for one hour

and nineteen minutes (11:26 a.m. to 12:45 p.m.) and the

subjects discussed included Watergate. Haldeman's notes of the

meeting reflect that that portion of their discussion dealt

with checking an EOB office for bugs, a "counter-attack," "PR

offensive to top this," and the need to "be on the attack --

for diversion." When a tape recording of the conversation was

produced on November 26, 1973 in response to a subpoena by the

Watergate Special Prosecutor, the recording contained an

eighteen and one-half minute buzzing sound that obliterated the

portion of the conversation reflected in the foregoing segment

of Haldeman's notes.

19.1 H. R. Haldeman calendar, June 20, 1972 (receivedfrom SSC) .z 237


19.3 John Mitchell log, June 20, 1972 (receivedfromSSC) . .---- 239

.19.4 H. R. Haldeman testimony, 8 SSC 3039-40.: 240


19.6 President Nixon's daily diary, June 20,1972,


19.7 Meetings and conversations between thePresident

and H. R. Haldeman, June 20, 1972 (receivedfromWhite House) 245

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19.8

19.9

H. R. Halde2nan handwritten notes of meeting,

June 20. 1972, Exhibit 61, In re GrandJury,

J. Fred Buzhardt testimony, In re Grand Jury,

.Misc. 47-73, January 18, 1974, 2499-2500 249

19.10 Report to Chief Judge John sirica from Advisory

.Panel on the White House tapes, January 15, 1974 251

19.11 Analysis, Index and Particularized Claims ofExecutive Privilege for Subpoenaed Materials,.J. Fred Buzhardt, In re Grand Jury, Misc. 47-73,

.November 26, 1973, 1, 9 257

19.12 Rose Mary Woods testimony, In re Grand Jury,Misc. 47-73, November 26, 1973, 1267-68 259

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John Statler (Pres., DC Board of Trade),. Sallyanne Payton

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TUESDAY JUNE 20, 197Z

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William Lane (?er John Con~tally)

Lursch XVith Roy Wilkins - JDE olfice

Car at xvest baserruent

Senator GLifLin, 1021 zo}ologos, Ed XV.org.-n .

Senator Dennett, Totn Korologos

Social Security - MiacGregor, Cook, i;orologos, Cole,

Evans, Weirberger, O'>;eill

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AG attelc'ed White Elouse lr.eetillg.

AG ret. to office

AG SAW Jeb xlagrucler, _reci LaRue_

and Bob W;ard . 2n_ _ _ _ _

AG taJ'...ed \.-';:. SC !.-ET2Ir\Z P;y.d

AC, SA'.i Rob Q(1l e

AG SA'I Van Shui;-..ay_ _

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AG SAI-I G1 elll. Se.c'.arn

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19.4 H.R. HALDEI<A1V TESTI0TO2VY, JULY 31. 19Z3. 8SSC 3039-40

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rAIr. DASH. NONV, WIr. Haldeman, when and how did you learn of the break-in on June 17, 1972 ?

Mr. HALDE3EAN. That seems to be the crucial question and I have to give I guess the most incredible possible answer.

I don't know, Fir. Dash. I simply don't remember how I learned about it or precisely when or from whom. But let me explain

that at that time, that weekend, I was in Ivey Biscayne. The President was out at Wal kers Cay and I was at the Key

Biscayne Hotel and I am sure that some time during that weekend somebody told me that the Democratic National

Committee had been broken into. I am not sure who or when.

Mr. DASH. Now, what did you do when you learned that, when or whoever told you ?

Mr. HALDEMAN. Nothing.

Mr. DASH. Nothing ?

WIr. HALDEMAN. No.

Mr. DASH. While you were at Key Biscayne, did you have any information that somebody connected with the

Committee To Re-Elect the President was involved ?

NIr. HALDE3tADt. I think I did and I think that came in a phone conversation with Jeb Magruder on the 18th, on

Sunday, which it has always been my impression was placed by him to me, but I understand he says it was placed by me to

him and I am not sure which is which. Tout there was—the point of that phone conversation, the purpose of it was to review

a statement that the committee was planning to release, and it was releasing it in conjunction with the earlier publicized, or

assumed about to be publicized, fact that Z[r. McCord, who did have a connection with the committee, had been one of

those arrested at the scene of the break-in.

Mr. DASH. What came through your mind when vou learned that Mr. McCord—did you knows by the way, who Mr.NIcCord svas?

Mr. HALDEMAN. I don't believe I did. He probably told me at that time who he avas.

Mr. DASH. I take it vou did learn that he was the security chief of the Committee To Re-Elect the President.

Mr. HALDEMAN. Yes.

Mr. DASH. Did it occur to you that this might be an embarrassing matter for the campaigns

Mr. HALDEMAN. Yes.

Mr. DASH. Wllen did vou get back to Washington after the break-in ?

Mr. 'HALDE)t.\N. I think on the evening of—on Monday evening. which would be the 19th.

Mr. DASH. Is that when you had a meeting with Mr. Dean ? Did Mr. Dean report to you then about what he had learnedabout the break-in ?

Mr. HALDEhrAN. I am not—I don't believe so. I am not Sure that I shad a meeting Tvith Mr. Dean at that point. I

believe Eve probably got back late Mondav evening and t.hat I Event home.

Mr. DASH. When did you meet with Mr. Dean after you got back?

Mr. HAI,DENrAN. I thin*, and I have got sort of a capstlle of my recol d here that is subject to correction bV the

cletni]s. btlt I think there avas a meeting the morning of the 20th,-in which I nvas present with Mr. Mitchell and Mr.

Ehrlie,hman, and that Dean was, Mr. Dean nvas, in part of that meeting and Attorney General Eleindienst vas there. part of

that meeting.

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Mr. DASH. At that meeting do you recall that there was X general discussion as to what happened, what information

xvas current concerning the break-in and the relationship with the committee ?

WIr. HALDE)[AN'. I have no specific recollection of the contents of that meeting but I am sure, that given the time

situation, that it must have been .in regard to the Watergate break-in.

AIr. DASH. Now, it is true, if you look at your record that during that period right after you get back there are about two

or three meetings on different days.

:Nlr. HAkDE)fAN. Yes.

Mr. DASH. I think you met with him on the both, on the 23d, and on the 26th. Does your record show that ?

WIr. HALDE3tAN'. I show—there is an example non- of my- log of June 20 that does not show a meeting with those

people that I have identified, that I have got in my summary here as a result of information front other sources. What m) log

shows is a meeting in John Ehrlichman's office which is all my secretary would know. ghe didn't know who •vas in the

meeting.

AIr. DASH. Right.

Arr. HALDE3tAX. I am sorry then you were going—

Mr. DASH. I was sayings do J'OII have a record of a meeting with AIr. Dean on the 23d and again on the 26th after the

meeting with him on the 20th ?

Arr. HALDE3L\N'. Not in the lo T. no. Mle 23d ?

Wrr. DASH. Yes.

SIr. HALDENtAX. It doesn't show me I don't believe.

WIr. D.\STI. Do J'OU have it in the Summary that you have received f rom other sources ?

AIr. HALDENIAN-. No; that doesn't show a meeting with Dean, either. I think I talked with Dean on the phone that day

that morning. I don't believe I met with him but I am not sure.

Atr. ASH. Yotl indicated ill vour earlier testimonv that Afr. Dean did give vou a report of what happened and told you

at that time that lle had told 5 0t1 earlier about telling vou after one of the meetings.

Colllcl VOt; place in an!- one of those meetings when he told you ?

arl . yIALDENtAN'. N O; I can t.

Afr. n,ssTr. Would it be vollr recollection that it lvonld be during that meek when VOID Jot back ?

Air. Tt.\LDEAt=;X. Atot neeessarilv, no. jots I saV, the only meeting that I see with I)ean during that lveek vfas the

meeting ill AIr Ehrlichman's office on the both apparently

WIr. I)ASSI. Did the President either communicate with vou or did yoll have a meeting with the President prior. shortlv

prior, to June 2,Z, 1972 ?

AIr. HAI,DE3t.\N-. I am sure I did. Ho voll leant me to check ?

Fir. T),xsar. Yoll met fre(lllentlv with the President so vo

Mr. H.\T.DE3TAN. Yes. sir.

ATr. ~.\SIf. So you are pre.ttv sure you can find stlch a meeting?

Do von recall prior to that meetin a 011 June 2.3. the President having a disenssioll vital VOU concerning theinvestigation that would be on

•toinXt With regard to the BTatelfTate break-in and a concern he had that such an investigation bV the FBI might include

the work of the special investigating unit in the White House and also the CIA'?

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Mr. Desk. Did he not at that time report to you that he had spoken to Atr. Liddy ?

lAlr~ k~HRLICH319N. ifio, I don't believe so.lair. DASH. He made 110 report at that time to you as to any of the investigations he had made during

the day of the l(Sth'0

lMr. ~H~CHMAN. 1 have the unpressioll that Sir. Dean hadn't been at work very long at that time, andthat he lvas just getting st3tted.

1Nh'. DASH. M1 right.

Now, at 4 p.m., what •vas the purpose of the meeting with fair. Dean, Mr. Claxvson, Mr. Colson, and Air.Xi:ehrli'~

Mr. ]iHRLICSilEAN-. ache principal purpose, as I recall, lvas to be in a position to answer inquirieswhich, I guess, AIr. Clawson was gretting or the press people were getting, about Hunt's White House status,of whether he was still an employee of the White House, if not when he had terminated and under whatcircumstances, and so forth.

Mr. Dasu. Send isn't that when hIr. Kehrli was brought up to check the record '? Would Mr. Sehrli havethe record of that'?

Mr. EHRUCHMAN. Mr. Rehrli was the stay secretary and would have to be involved in any discussionof that kind. There was another subject or two discussed at the time but as I recall, that was the precipitatingquestion.

Mr. Desk. Well, aside from Mr. Hunt on the payroll, wasn't the focus at that meeting on the question ofHunt himself ? Hunt's status at the White House and also the question that Mr. Hunt had a safe in the WhiteHouse and that the safe ought to be opened ?

Wasn't that part of the discussion ?Mr. E1IRLICH1~N. Yes, it was, as I previously testified.

Mr. DASH. Yes.

And actually that safe was opened at that time on the evening of the l9th?

Mr. EHRLICHhEAN. I don't know. I think it must have been either that evening or the next morning.

Mr. DASH. Now, what was the Concern and who brought up the concern of what the contents of hIr.Hunt's safe would show 'I

Mr. EHRLICEX3IAN-. I don't recall, Mr. Dash. Somebody at the meeting.

I th ink the way i t came up was not so much a personal concern as i t was an inquiry by the

investigation—either the Metropolitan Police and/or the FBI, as to whether Hunt had any belongings in the

White House.

Mr. DASH. Now, 011 June 20, 1972, you met at 9 o'clock with Mr. Haldeman and Mr. Mitchell joined by

3Ir. Dean at 9 :40, joined by Attorney General Kleindienst at 9 :aa, and then at 10:30 you had a meeting with

the President.

Was that also a followup to find out what was going on in terms of Watergatee

Mr. EHRLICHMAN. I think this was the process of trying to get everybody together who might know anything to try and geta picture of what the investigation was going to be, whether there might be other people involved, just whatthe—to try and get the campaign director and the head of the Department of Justice and everybody togetherin one place to ask questions.

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29.6 PRgSIDEXMSIVIXON DAILY DA1HYS JUICE2V, 19Z2, EXHIBIT 23

AS i' CSiJD JURY, MiSC. 47-f 3. i-2

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The President nad breakfast.

The President met with his Deputy Assistaat, Alexander P.

Butterfield.

The President went to his office in the EOB.

The President met with his Assistant, John D. Erlichtnan.

The President talked with his Deputy Ass_stant, Edward L.

Horgan .

The President met with his Assistant, H. R. Ilalderan.

The President talked with his daughter, Tricia.

The President telephoned SenatorItargaret Chase Smith

(R-Elaine). The call was not completed.

The President talked with Senator Smith.

The President met with his Deputy Assistant, Ma;. Gem.

Alexander M. Haig, Jr.

The President talked with Senate Minority Leader Hugh Sco

(R-Pennsylvania ) .

The President talked long distance with Joseph Trerotola,

vice proqids>.nt of the I..terr.ational Brotherhood of

Teamsters, in New York city.

The President talked with his Counsel, Clark MacGregor.

The President talked with his Special Counsel, Charles N.

Colson .

The President met with Sir. Colson.

The President telephoned Staff Assistant Stephen B. BUSS

President talked with Beverly J. }iaye, Mr. Bull's

secretary.

The President talked With his Special Assistant, Patrick

Buchanan .

The President met with Mr. Haldeman. -

The President went to the Barber Shop.

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ia.6 PRESIDEXT2VIX0N DAILY DAIRY, JUiiE20, 29Z2, EXHIBIT 13,

I'd HE GRAND JURY, •'dISC. 47-73, i-G

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The President ret with Mr. Buttcrfield.

The President returned to the second floor Residence.

The President talked With John N. Mitchell, CaroDaign Direc for the Committee for the Reelection of the President.

The President and the First Lady had dinner in the Yellows Oval Room.

The President returned to his office in the E(')B.

The President talked with Mr. Ealdernan.

The President talked with Mr. Colson.

The President talked with Or. Haldeman.



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i9.7 IdEgTI2CS AMD CON ERSATIOSiS BETWeER'THE PASSIDENT MDH. R. HALDERAiS JUNE 20 29Z2s - j

MES,:TIA;GS AND TICLEPlIONE CONT\-ERSNTIONS BETRt.'EENtE-IE PRIL.S.IDESS;T ANTID Fl. R. HALDEMwRI\r

June 17, 197Z - June 3, 1973

June 17, 197Z

AM 10:58 11:02 President placed long distance call to

EiCalde man

June 18, 1972

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PM 12:01 12:19 President placed a local call to Haldeman

June 19, 1972

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Fune 20, 1972

LAM 11:2612:45

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8:428:50

June 21, 197Z

9:Z6 President placed local call to Haldeman lO:OZ President placecl. local call to Haldeman 1:05PMPresident

met svith Haldenlan 7:39 Heli^^~t~~ A4artifnc+ _ Kc>xr R;coo~-~~ SA Ir~~~^+ 9:47 Spirit of '76' - Ilolnestead AFB to Andrews

9:47 Presicle.¢t naet rvith Halcleman in flight

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President met ~<vith Haldeman - EOB

Presirlent met xvith Haldeman - ECOB

President placed local call to E-tnlderrean

President received local ca]l from Haldenzan

AM 9:30 10:38 President naet xvith Halcleman - Oval Office

Butterfield lO:lZ - 10:16

C ol s 011 10:1 3 - 10:3 8

PM 1:2-1 3:11

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29.d H.R. HEDE ~ NOTES EXHIBIT 61 IN RE GSND JURY, MISC. 47-.Z3X J -


6l20

1 1 3 0 EOB

Around Aug 3-4=

ck on a weekend at Walkers

if good weather - to get sun etc.

hold higher ed. to Fri.

Gov SD expressed concern re his election

P. wants ltr to him

Dear Gov

~ q W selfew-^^lee-sse^t-f e-~eeeeesew

Mrs N told me of yr very warm welcom on what was undrstbly very sad day for

people of SD She tld me of concrn you expressed (re tourists) -

Mrs N and I have alwy had spec plac in our hrts for SD bec. her parnts were marred al

Leeds SD sherjeAy beXefe they Latermoved to Ely Nev, her b ir thp lac e .

2nd page

2.

be sure EOB office is thoroly ckd re bugs

at all times - etc.

what is our counter-attack?

PR offensive to top this - —hit the opposition w/ their activitics pt. out libertarians havc crcated public [unrcadablc] do

they justify this less than stcaling Pcntagon papers, Anderson filc ctc?

i wc shld bc on thc attack - for divcrsion

what is sched on SFR SALT hcarings?

D go to Calif on Fri - w/ PN -

Julic comc out latcr

PN not to thc shower


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19.9 J. FRED BUZZARDS TESTIMONY, JANUARY 18, 197d, IN RE GRAND JURY,

MISC. 47-73, 2499-2500

Indistinct document retyped byHouse Judiciarv Committee staff

noontime approximately. What actually happened

both from the logs and from the tape the two of

them did not meet together with the President.

Mr. Ehrlichman met with him, the log shows at

10:25 till 11:20. Then there was an interval

when no one met with the President. Mr. Haldeman

came in at 11:26 until 12:45 and you can hear

between the conversations, you can hear -- the

first one is nothing wrong with Mr. Ehrlichman's

conversation. Then you can hear noises for

three minutes and some seconds and then you can

tell when Mr. Haldeman comes in. From the

moment he enters -- and we have been stop watch-

ing these things -- there is three minutes and

40 seconds until this signal comes in, continuous

for 18 minutes and 15 seconds according to my

timing and then the conversation picks back up

and continues.

"The Court: What conversation continued

after 18 minutes?

"Mr. Buzhardt: Between the President and

Mr. Haldeman.

"The Court: It would indicate Mr. Haldeman

was there talking to the President?

"Mr. Buzhardt: Yes.

Indistinct document retyped byIlouse Judiciary Committee staff

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19. 9 J. FRED BUZZARDS TFSTIONY, JANUARY 18, 1974/ IN RF GRAND JURY,MESC. 47-73, 2499-2500 _


"The Court: Then there is a lapse?

"Mr. Buzhardt: Yes. Then the circumstances

is [sic] even a little worse than that, Your Honor.

"The Court: I don't know how it could get

much worse.

"Mr. Garment: Just wait.

"Mr. Buzhardt: As you know, Your Honor, the

notes were subpoenaed too. We found Mr. Haldemants

notes of this meeting. They consist of two legal

pads of paper. On the first page the notes start

at the beginning and come to the end and they

reflect directions or instructions of the President

given during the part of the first three minutes

and 40 seconds of that conversation. Lif [sic] the page

and at the cop of the page the first two-thirds

of the page the notes reflect that the discussion

was about Watergate. The first thing my recol-

lection is something about making sure the EOB

office was not bugged and went on from there.

When you get past the Watergate type notes, or

that could reasonably be concurrent, you know, on

that subject, I think the first one after is about

I a Senate Foreign Relations Committee hearing on

l SALT. I think that is where the tape picks up.

"Mr. Ben-Veniste: May I ask a question?


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19*10 ADVISORY PAJ'REL SPOU g THE WHITE HOUSE TOES, JAVVARY IS, 1974

January 15, 19 74

('vt',!J9Oep? n.1.tce^. teEetrirt t.~-~et toleiec->—d; l;ixort I OT DECO Sect) ort of

Report to Chief Judae John J. sirica tones, etch) 0 X l F /-s From the Advisory Panel on the White House Tapes !o^ i

't # iis-s F -

In response to your request Eve have made a comprehensive Clark

technical study of the White House tape of June 20, 1972, with

special attention to a section of buzzing sounds that lasts

approximately 18.5 minutes. Paragraphs that follow summarize

our findings and indicate the kinds of tests and evidence on

which lee base the f indings .

Magnetic signatures that we have measured directly on

the tape show that the buzzing sounds were put on the tape in

the process of erasing and re-recordina at leas. five, and

perhaps as many as nine, separate and contiguous segments.

Hand operation or keyboard controls on the U'ner 5000 recorder.

was involved in starting and again in stopping the recording

of each segment. The magnetic signatures observed on the

tape shots conclusively that the 18.5-minute section could not

have been produced by any single, continuous operation.

Further, whether the footpedal was used or not, the recording

controls mus' have been Operated by hand in the making Of

each segment .

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ls.~a ADVISORY PANEL MPar M- Tag WHIR'S HOUSE TEES. JANUARY 15, lg74

The erasing and recording operations that produced the

buzzing section were done directly on the tape we received

for study . We have found that this tape is 1814.5 feet long,

which lies within a normal range for tapes sold as 1800 feet

in length. We have examined the entire tape for physical

splices and have found none. Other tests that we have made

thus-far are consistent with-the assumption that the tape is

an original and not a re-recording.

A Uher 5000 recorder, almost surely the one designated

as Government Exhibit #60, was used in producing the 18.5-

minute section. Support for this conclusion includes recorder

operating characteristics that we measured and found to cor-

respond to signal characteristics observed on the evidence

tape .

The buzzing sounds themselves originated in noise pickea

up from the electrical power line to which the recorder was

connected, Measurements of the frequency spectrum of the

buzz showed that

made up of a 60 cycles per second fundamental tone, plus a large

number of harmonic tones at multiples of 60. Especially strong are the third harmonic at 180 and the fifth

harmonic at 300 cycles per second. As

many as forty harmonics are present in the buzz and create

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lS*10 ADWIS'0R! PMEL REPOM RE rSE SUITE HOUSE :'t'AP.F,S, JASUARY ]b. lgR4

its raucous quality. Variations in the strength of the

buzz, which during most of the 18.5-minute section is either

"loud" or "soft," probably arose from several causes including

variations in the noise on the power line, erratic functioning

of the recorder, and changes in the position of the operator's

hand while running the recorder. The variations do not appear

to be caused by normal machine operations.

Can speech sounds be detected under the buzzing? Ife

think so. At three locations in the 18.5-minute section, we

have observed a fragment of speech-like sound lasting less

than one second. Each of the fragments lies exactly at a place

on the tape that was missed by the erase head during the

series of operations in which the several segments of erasure

and buzz were put on the tape. Further, the frequency spectra

of the sounds in these fragments bear a reasonable resemblance

to the spectra of speech sounds.

Can the speech be recovered? We think not. bate know of

no technique that could recover intelligible speech from the

buzz section. Even the fragments that we have observed are

so heavily obscured that we cannot tell what was said.

The attached diagram illustrates the sequence of sound

events its the 18.5-minute section. Also illustrated is a

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19.10 ADVISORY PANEL BDr RE SHE WHITE HOUSE TAPEMS. JANUARY 7R TG7F

sequence of Uher operations "erase-record one and "erase-

record offs that are consistent with signatures that we

measured on the evidence tape. The five segments that can

be identified unequivocally are labeled "1" through "5."

In addition, the diagram shows four segments of uncertain

end ing .

In developing the technical evidence on which we have

based the findings reported here, we have used laboratory

facilities, measuring instruments, and techniques of several

kinds, including: digital computers located in three dif-

ferent laboratories, specialized instruments for measuring

frequency spectra and waveforms, techniques for "developing"

magnetic marks that can be seen and measured directly on

the tape, techniques for measuring the performance character-

istics of recorders and voice-operated switches, and sta-

tistical methods for analyzing experimental results.

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19.10 ADVISORY PANED EPOU RE TEE HEITg HOUSE TEES, JAVUARY 15, 1974

In summary we have reached complete agreement on the

following conclusions:

1. The erasing and recording operations that produced

the buzz section were done directly on the evidence tape.

2. The Uher 5000 recorder designated Government

Exhibit #60 probably produced the entire buzz section.

3. The erasures and buzz recordings were done in at

least five, and perhaps as many as nine, separate and con-

tiguous segments.

4. Erasure and recording of each segment required

hand operation of keyboard controls on the Uher 5000 machine.

5. Erased portions of the tape probably contained

speech originally.

6. Recovery of the speech is not possible by any

method known to us.

7. The evidence tape, in so far as we have determined,

is an original and not a copy.

(255)Respectfully submitted,

Richard H . Bo 1 t

Franklin S. Cooper

James L. Flanagan

John G. (Jay) McTinight

Thomas G. Stockham, Jr.

Mark R. Weiss

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19.11 ANALYSIS OF SUBPOENAED MATERIALS, NOVEMBER 26, 1973, IN RE GRAND JURY,

MESC. 47-73, 1, 9

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UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT J4 eOn f / /g

FOR THE DISTRICT OFCOLUMBIA ALSO <

IN RE GRAND JURY SUBPOENA DUCES TECUM )

ISSUED TO RICHARD M. NIXON, OR ANY )

SUBORDINATE OFFICER, OFFICIAL OR )

EMPLOYEE WITH CUSTODY OR CONTROL OF )

CERTAIN DOCUMENTS OR OBJECTS )

CANALYSIS, INDEX AND PARTICULARIZED CLAIMS OF

EXECUTIVE PRIVILEGE FOR SUBPOENAED MATERIALS

Pursuant to the special court procedures issued on

October 30, 1973, the President of the United States through his

counsel submits herewith an analysis and an index of the subpoenaed

materials, and particularized claims of executive privilege where

applicable .

All materials subpoenaed are primarily identified in the

subpoena as related to one of a series of specified conversations,

one of which was a telephone conversation and the remainder of which

were conducted in personal meetings. For each conversation, the

subpoena demands production of "1. All tapes and other electronic

and/or mechanical recordings or reproductions, and any memoranda,

papers, transcripts or other writings, relating to" the specified

conversation .

This submission treats each conversation covered by the

subpoena separately, in the order of the subparagraphs of Paragraph 1

of the subpoena. (The materials covered by Paragraphs 2 and 3 of the

subpoena were voluntarily provided by the President to the Special

Prosecutor for the Grand Jury's use when the subpoena was issued.)

in the

Richar

PART I

Item 1 (a) of the subpoena relates to "Meeting of June 20, 1972,

P!esident's Executive Office Building("EOB") office involving

d Nixon. Jf,hn Ehrlichman and H. R. Haldeman from 10:30 a.m. to

noon (time approximate)."

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(d) Particularized Claim of Executive Privilege

The conversation on the tape recording of the meeting between H. R. Ilaldeman and the President consistsof advice to the President

by a senior advisor-on official decisions then pending before the President. None of the conversation recorded relates to Watergate.

The President believes that the conversation is subject in its entirety to a claim of Executive Privilege in order to protect the confidentiality of

advice given to the President. There is nothing in this conversation "concerning possible criminal conduct or discussions of possible criminal conduct" as to

testimony concerning which the President announced he would not invoke Executive Privilege on May 22, 19 73.

This particularized claim of Executive Privilege should be sustained as to Item I.B.1., and this tape recording should not be submitted

by the Court to the Grand Jury .

| (2) Memorandum (Notes of H. R. Haldeman)

A file search has disclosed handwritten notes of

H. R. Haldeman, which from the identifying markings and the

content indicate the notes were made by H. R. Haldeman during the meeting with the President on June 20, 1972, between 11:26 a.m. and 12: 45 p .m. The notes are on

two pages of paper from a yellow legal pad. These notes are being submitted as Item I.B.2. covered by the subpoena.

(a) Analysis

The notes to be submitted to the Court as Item IeB.2. reflect that the President gave instructions to Mr. Haldeman to take certain

actions of a public relations character which related to the Watergate incident.

(b) Index

None necessary.

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19012 ROSE llf4RY WOODS TESTIMONY, NOVEIISBER 26, 1973, IN RE GRAND JUROR

MT.Xr 47_7.R Knox to

Indistinct document retyped byHouse Judiciary Conxnittee staff

request re the meeting on June.20th. It said Erlichman lsic]/Haldeman

meeting. What he wants is the segment on June 20th from 10:25

to 11:20 with John Erlichman lsic] alone. Al Haig."

By Mrs. Volner:

Q. Now, you then listened to the Erlichman lsic] portion of the

| tape and you first heard the Haldeman portion on October 1st

| at the White House?

A. That is right. That was when I was ending the

Erlichman Lsic] one.

Q. I am sorry?

A. That was when I was ending the Erlichman [sic] one and

wanting to be sure that I had.

Q. And you said you listened to just a few minutes of

Haldeman?

A. That is right.

Q. At what point did you stop listening to Haldeman?

A. Well, I started to stop listening to Haldeman when

they started talking about scheduling matters, about going to

a state where Pat Nixon's mother and father had lived, were

married before they moved to Ely, Nevada, where she was born.

And there was something about tourism. I don't know whether

some Governor had called and asked. I don't remember. And

that is the last I heard on that tape. And that is the time

that through some error on my part some way in turning around

to reach one of my phones, which buzzes and buzzes and buzzes,

Indistinct document retyped byHouse Judiciary Co d ttee staff

I

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DISC. 47—73? 1267—68


I pushed the record button down. Now, whether I held my foot

on the pedal or whether the button stuck down I couldn't tell

you. I thought it was something like 4-. 1/2 to 5 minutes and

I so told the President as soon as I could go in to see him.

Q You told the President exactly what?

A That I was afraid that I had caused a gap in the

Haldeman tape and he said, there is no problem because that

is not a subpoenaed tape.

Q You told him that on October lst?

A That is right.

Q And did you have any other conversation with the

President on October lst?

A I haven't the slightest idea.

Q Did you listen to the portion that you bad, as you

testified, perhaps erased?

A No. The last word I heard on the Haldeman was Ely,

Nevada, or Ely, and the next thing when I pushed the button

| back I got as far as Ely again and that is when there is this

l shrill noise.

Q And what follows the shrill noise?

A What follows the shrill noise is again something --

This is what I listened to on Saturday or Friday, whichever day.

What follows is something about Democratic Convention or seating

of delegates or -- I didn't try to take it

Q Was there anything concerning the --


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20. On June 20, 1972 Gordon Strachan met with H. R. Haldeman and

showed him a copy of a Political Matters Memorandum Strachan had sent

to Haldeman prior to April 4, 1972 concerning approval of a "sophisti-

cated intelligence system with a budget of $300,000." Haldeman

acknowledged to Strachan that he had read the political intelligence

item in the memorandum. Strachan also showed Haldeman political

intelligence reports referring to "Sedan Chair II" which had been

attached to the memorandum. Haldeman said he had not previously read

the attachment, and proceeded to read it. According to Strachan,

Haldeman directed him to destroy all of the documents. Haldeman has

testified that he could not recall giving Strachan any such instruction.

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that would strike me as far more sensitive a matter to send through thenormal messenger channels than somefile which other witnesses have indicated was not patently illegal on its face.

Mr. DASH. In other avords, what you are saying is that vou never did see the Gemstone file, AIr.Magruder never invited you over to see it, and that prior to March 30, you had no kno vledt,e of any so-called Liddy intelligence plan ?

Mr. STIL~CHAN. That is correct.

Mr. DASH. Now, did that change, at least after March 30 ?

If it did, could you tell us how it changed ?Mr. STR=ACTL\N. Yes; I was aware that Mr. Magruder would be going dolvn to Key Biscayne to review

several campaign decisions that had accumulated during John Mitchell-s working on the ITT problem. He

called me up in an apparently fairly brief telephone conversation and reviewed the 30 or so pending campaian

decisions. I took notes on that telephone conversation and prepared shortly thereafter a political matters

memorandum for Mr. Haldeman, summarizing that telephone conversation as svell as other information.

Mr. DASH. And what did that include ? I mean did it include a Liddy intelligence plan ?

Mr. STRACHAN. Yes; Mr. Mata,ruder told me that a sophisticated political intelligence gathering systemhad been approved and I reported that to Mr. Haldeman.

Mr. DASH. Were you aware that that was one of the items for decision that event down to Key Biscaynewith AIr. Magruder?

Mr. STRACHAN.' No; I lvas not.

Mr. DASH. SO that it was after he came back that he reported that to you ?

Mr. STRAOHAN. That is correct.

Mr. DASH. Can you recall approximately when he made that report to you ?

Mr. STEUCHAN. Well, it was shortly thereafter, I would auess either Friday, March 31, maybe Saturday. WIysecretary recalls having typed the memorandum on Friday.

Mr. DASH. And it is clear in your mind that Mr. Mata,rllder reported that Mr. Mitchell had in fact approved asophisticated intelligence plan ?

Mr. STRACHAN. Well, I concluded that 3Ir. 3Iitehell had approved it. I believe that when AIr. Magruder was Coins

throuah the decisions and the vsav I would usually report it to 3Ir. Haldeman would be that Mr. Magruder reports that Sir.

Mitchell has approved the follovving matters, and I would put a colon, and then I would list the items.

WIr. D.ssl~. But did you do it with regard to this plan ?

Mr. STR&CHAN'. Yes; that was one of the 30 items that Eras listed.

Sir. DASH. I think in your statement vou referred to a sophisticated intelligence system with a budget of 300.Three hundred what ?

Mr. STI2ACHAN. Well, it is W00,000. 011 almost all of the memorandums that I wrote to Mr. Haldeman, I wouldleave off the last three zeroes, because usually the figures that Eve lvere dealing with vere very, very large.

Mr. DASH. Novv-, you say that you then prepared a political mattersmemorandum for Mr. Haldeman, and you included this approved

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sophisticated intelligence plan, that $300,000 budget, in that political

matters memorandum.Do you recall the number of that memorandum 2

Mr. STIL\CHAN. Yes; it xvas Dolitical matters memoranda No. 8.

Mr. DASH. tn(l hoTv many political matters memorandums did youwrite after that, if you can recall approximately ?

Mr. SFFR'VCHAN. NVell, through the campaign and toward the endof the campaign, they got a little further apart, but I wrote 28.

Mr. DASH. Did you receive any information or indication that Mr.Haldeman, in fact, read the political matters memorandum No. 18with specific reference to the sophisticated intelligence plan with a

budget of $.300,000?

Mr. STRACHADi. Yes; it svas Mr. Haldeman's practice when he wouldread such a memorandum to make notes and check off those para-graphs which he had indicated and then he xvould write it up in theupper rit,ht-hand corner ' To Strachan," in this case indicating thememorandum should be returned directly to me, and I would gothrough his memorandums after he had read them, and this partic-ular one I reread, and noted his checking off of all the paragraphsthat I had prepared for him.

Mr. DASH. W7TaS there any other comment besides that particularone ?

Mr. STRstCHADi. Besides the paragraph that you are concerned aboutthere Tvas simply a blank check.

Mr. D TSH. :NTosv, did there come a time sllortl~- afterwards when youvere asked to do anything about that particular matter?

Mr. STRACHAN. I am sorry.

WIr. DASH. Dicl there come a time shortly afterward when you wereasked to write either any other paper or memorandum or take anyfurther action with regard to that particular matter ?

WIr. STR6NCHAN. I am sorry I do not understand the

Mr. D SSH. AVell, you testified that you submitted to Sir. Haldemana report on vour political matters memorandum concerning this so-phisticated intelligence plan, and then that this lvas checked off. indi-cating to you that'he had read it. AWrhat happened afterward concern-ing that particular matter? Did that just staV in your file or did ZIr.Haldeman take any further action on it to VOWS linolvledge ?

I WIr. STR2\CIIAN'. BTell, after the memoisallclum came back out AIr.f Haldeman lvas Coins to meet with Mr. Mitchell on April 4.

BIr. DASH. Holv did 5 ou learn about that ?War_ And or_ TTsllAamsxT] SPA a catCia}~ on his t4.1PnhanaR

•z1. W1~-\b~<\.o. i1A. ax s~-~tss~sE ALEX tt -,~o~Ass ~ rem

where he could push a button and have one of his personal aides moni-tor the telephone conversation.

Mr. DASH. Mrould this be similar to an extension phone where somebody ~voulel be asked to get on an extension phone and just listen in?

WIr. STR\CH.'\IF. Alrell. it xvoulcl be different from an extension phone

because vou could not detect the fact, that it rvas picked lip, and therevas no xvaV that the person listening on the phone cottld make anynoise either by talking or by a secretary taping to indicate that theresvas someone else on the phoile.

Arr. DASH. Hoav avers vou notified or honv was it indicated to yothat vou were to pick up the line ?

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Mr. STRACHAN. A O. I did not.

Mr. DASH. Did you later learn from Mr. Magruder anything about

this event ?

Mr. STRACHAN. AVell, I called him that afternoon and then tried to

call him again that evening, and did not reach him. Placed a third callon Sunday about noon, Washington time, and asked him if he knewanything about this since I had rather expected a phone call from 31r.Haldeman, and he said ';Don't B orry about it, I have been on the phone

this morning with Bob, and you needn't kno v anything about it."

Mr. DASH. All right. B'hat did you do after that?

AIr. STRL&CEI.X>-. 1 called Mr. Higby, because I didn't really believe

that Magruder had talked to Mr. Haldeman, Haldeman was down inSev Biscayne. Sir. Higbv told me yes, in fact Magruder had talkedwith NIr. Haldeman and Mr. Ehrlichman was handling the entire

matter.

Mr. DASH All right. Nonv, at that point were you concerned about

any particular thing ?

fair. STRACHAN-. Pardon ?

31r. DASH. At that point having learned that Mr. Haldeman now

had spoken to 3Ir. Magruder and was informed, did a concern come

into vour mind ?

Mr. STRACHAD<-. Yes, I expected over the entire weekend Mr. Halde

man to call me and ask me what I knead if I knew anything why I hadnot reported it to him, the usual very tough questions he would ask.

Mr. DASH. Did you begin at that time to suspect any problem that

Mr. Haldeman may have with regard to this ?

Mr. STR^&CH.&N. Well, you have to draw one of three conclusions:

Either he knew about it ahead of time; either he didn't except meto report to him, or he had received a report and had calmed down.

Mr. DASH. Did you arrive at any one conclusion a

Mr. STRACHAN. It was either one of the latter two, either he knew

or he didn't expect me to report to him.

Mr. DASH. What did you do after you learned that he had heard

about it, what did you do yourself

Mr. STRACHAN. I didn't do anything. The White House logs indicate

that I was in the White House for a minute Sunday, I don't know

vhat that was for.

The next day, Monday

' Mr. DASH. Monday divas June 19,1972 ?

Mr. STRACHAN. That is correct.

Mr. DASH. All right.

Mr. STR.&CHAN. I began going through my files, Mr. Haldeman's

files, to see if there were any indications of any information that would

be in any lvay related to this act.

Mr. DASH. Well, did you come to any conclusion as to whether there

nvas anything in the files that would be ln any way related ?

Mr. STRACHAN. Yes. I pulled out several documents, most partic

ularly the political matters memorandum No. 18.

Mr DASH. And that nvas the one that referred to the sophisticated

intelligence plan ?

XIr.iTRACHAN. That is correct.

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Mr. DASH. Did you also pull out that memorandum or these little

notes that you had taken concerning the communication that you hadfrom Mr. Haldeman to contact Mr. Liddy about his capabilities being

switched from Muskie to McGovern ?

Mr. STRACHA]s-. Well, I pulled that document out but I did not take

that up to AIr. Haldeman.


Nowt what did you believe at that time when you took the docu

ment out ?

Did vou believe that a break-in at the Democratic National Commit

tee headquarters was in fact related to this plan ?

Mr. STRAC~X. I didn't know for sure, but I had pretty strong

SU3piCi0DSw

AIr. DssL Did you meet with Mr. Haldeman shortly after you pulled

that file out?

AIr. STOCKS. Yes, I did.

3Ir. DAS,H. Could you tell us when ?

AV. S~c~N-. I believe it was the morning of June 20. He had

returned from Florida, I had given a note to bIr. Higby that I thoughtI should see Err. Haldeman. Mr. Haldeman summoned me to his office,

and I walked in with the political matters memorandum.

Mr. DASH. I think you had indicated that you were somewhat con

cerned about Mr. Haldeman's reaction to you about not being informed.Were you still concerned when you met with Sir. Haldeman on June

20?

Mr. STRACHAN. Yes, I was scared to death. I thought I would be

fired at that point for not having figured that out.

Mr. DASH. Were you fired or did he berate you ?

WIr. STRACHAN'. No, he did not berate me. He said almost jokingly,

"Well, what do we know about the events over the weekend?" And Iwas quite nervous and retreated to sort of legal protective terms andI said, "Well, sir, this is what can be imputed to you through me, youragent," and opened the political matters memorandum to the para-graph on intelligence, showed it to him. He acknowledged his checkand that he had read that, and said that he had not read the tab, whichhad been attached, turned, began reading it, said, maybe I shouldhave been reading these, these are quite interesting, and read the tab.

Mr. DASH. What tab was that ?

Mr. STR4NCHAN. That was Sedan Chair H.

Mr. DASH. Then what, if anything, did you tell him or did he tell you

after he had gone through this memorandum again ?

Mr. SIRACHAN. He told me, "Well, make sure our files are clean."

Sir. DASH. What did that mean to you ?

Mr. STRACHAN. NVell, I went down and shredded that document and

others related.

Mr. DASH. Now, did vou do that on your own initiative as such, or

did you feel that you were making sule that you were following Mr.H;aldeman's instruction that you should make Sure the files are clean ?

WIr. STI{ACIIA?;. No, I belies ed I eras following his orders.

Mr. DASH. And You shredded all of No. 18, the political matters

memorandum No. 18 ?

~STIL&CHAN'. That is correct.

fir. DASH. What about the memorandum that you had made on the

communication with regard to WIr. Lidcly ?

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I have more—mostly bits and pieces of information I would like to

ask you about to sort of fill in.

On this business with Mr. Strachan, cleaning up the files, and his

later shredding, I think he testified, as I recall, that later on duringan airplane trip on Air Force One he brought up this question with

you. Do you recall that?

Mr. HALDEMAN. No, sir. As I said, I don't recall a report from him.

I doFt recall requesting him to do—to clean up the files nor do I recall

. a report that he had done so.

Senstor GARNET. Did you ever discuss with Mr. Mitchell anything

about the break-in or the coverup of Watergate ? And now I am—ofcourse, I krvow you did late this year, in March, but I am talking about

earlier after the break-in, or during 1972 ?

Xk. BERN. After the break-in I am sure there were discus

sions there were discussions regarding the break-in and the ongoingdevelopments in the Watergate case and I am certain that Mr. Mitchellwas in some of those discussions. So the answer regarding the break-inwould be yea

Senator GRRNEr. I should have phrased my question a little better.

Did you ever discuss any matters with him that indicated to you tfihatthere was a coverup, is what I really intended to asks

Mr. HADEMAN. No, sir; I attempted in my statement to try to dew

a distinction between what now is termed coverup, which I feel is aloose term, that is not maybe defined in each person'S mind the same asin each other person's, and it has so generally come to mean the illegalacts that have been made forth here, that when you say coverup, if bycoverup you mean any of the illegal actions that were or have beenalleged to have been taken, then my answer would be very clearly no.

Senator GARNET. I did intend that. I did intend to refine it to in

clude the illegal actions.

sMr. Magruder worked for you as a staff man in the White House;

did he not ?

Mr. HALDEMAN. He did for a short period of time. He came in to the

White House as a special assistant under my direct responsibility as aproject man and continued in that role for approximately 4 months,I believe, at which time he moved over to Herb Klein's office as DeputyDirector of Communications, which was a post he held for a year, over

a year I believe, before he went to the reelection committee.

Senator GURNEY. Were you at all close to him during this period

of time in the White House? Were you close personal friends, see a

lot of each other?

Mr. HALDE3fAN. No. He was a member of my staff. During the time

he was a member of my staff and I saw him fairly frequently on a

business basis but I had no social relationship with him.

Senator GURNEY. Did he do any reporting to you when he was in his

cat>acit,y of the Committee To Re-Eleet the President as deputy cam-

palgn director?

Mr. IIALDEMAN. Some, yes; but he primarily reported to Mr. Mitchell

and I dealt primarily with Mr. Mitchell on matters relating to the

reelection committee.

Senator GURNEY. Again in any conversations that you had with Mr.

Magruder in the vear 1972, did you discuss any of the illegal aspects

of the coverup of Watergate ?

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21. Following his meeting with H.R. Haldeman, Gordon Strachan

shredded the Political Matters Memorandum regarding a sophisticated

intelligence gathering system that he had shown Haldeman. Strachan

also shredded other related documents, including a memorandum re-

garding Gordon Liddy, an April 4, 1972 talking paper prepared by

Strachan for a meeting between Haldeman and John Mitchell, a memo-

randum from Jeb Magruder to Mitchell regarding Donald Segretti, and

Segretti's telephone number. After Strachan destroyed these docu-

ments, he told John Dean what documents he had destroyed. On July

1, 1972 Strachan, Haldeman and Lawrence Higby were part of a Presi-

dential party aboard Air Force One. Strachan has testified that during

the flight he reported to Haldeman that the job had been accomplished,

and Haldeman told him to reduce the number of copies made of future

Political Matters Memoranda from three to two. Haldeman has testified

that he does not recall receiving such a report.

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that Mr. Mitchell and WIr. Dean svere shocked by Liddy's plan; Fir.3tagruder's staff man, Gordon Liddy, lvas apparently quite humil-iated, and nothing TS-aS approved. In other svords, if those meetingswere routinely reported to AIr. Haldeman, as evidence of 3Ir. Ala-gruder's administrative ability and judgments the Januarv and Feb-ruary meetings would not very likely inspire the confiderce of BIIr.

Haldeman or the President.

Yet~ AIr. Magruder testified that "as he recalled" he returned to

his office after both these embarrassing meetings and routinely calledWIr. Haldeman's staff assistant, meS and told me about his blunder,presumably so that I could inform Mr. Haldeman. That testimony isdifficult to reconcile with good sense. Presumably, Err. Magruder knewthat 3Ir. Dean would report on the meetings to Mr. Haldeman—asWIr. Dear. has testified he did—ashy would 31r. Magruder vfant two

people reportino the same disaster to Mr. Haldeman ?

It is tme, hoxvever, that Mr. Magruder called me after he returned

from the Starch 30, 19z9. meeting at Key Biscayne with Mr. Mitchelland 31r. LaRue and reported on about 30 major campaign decisions.Each of these decisions nvas briefly described in that rather shortphone conversation. During this call, he told me, and I am repeating hiswords rather precisely: "A sophisticated political intelligence-gather-ing system has been approved with a budget of 300." Unfortunatelyhe neither gave me, nor did I ask for any further details about the

subject. -

Soon thereafter I wrote one of my regular apolitical matters"

memos for 3Ir. Haldeman. This particular memo for early April lvas8 to 10 pages long with more than a dozen tabs or attachments, but itcontained only one three-line paragraph on political intelligence. Thatparagraph read almost verbatim as 3Ir. Ma,=,~lder had indicated tome over the phone. I wrote in the memo to Fir. Haldeman—Again this

is almost a quote:

Magruder reports that 1701 now has a sophisticated political intelligence

gathering system with a budget of 300. A sample of the type of information they

are developing is attached at tab "H."

At tab "H", I enclosed a political intelligence report which had been

sent to me from the committee. It svas entitled Sedan Chair II. Thisreport and two others somewhat like it that I had received began witha statement such as, "A confidential source reveals" or ';a reliablesource confidentially reports." This was followed by a summary of

some political information.

In April 1972, I was mainlv interested in reporting to Arr. Halde

man on those 30 campaign decisions and other relevant political items.I did not give much thought to what AIr. Magruder meant by ;sophisti-cated political intelliCence-Oathering svstem." Nor did I give muchthought to the real identity of Sedan Chair II, but I remember thatthe information dealt with Senator Humphrey's Pennsylvania

organization.

However, on June 17, 197-7, and afterwards as the news began.n zunfold

ing about the brealz-in at the Democratic National Committees I cer-tainly began to wonder who else but people from 1701 could have been

involved. I suspected that mavbe the Alrater~ate breal<-in maS part ofthe sophisticated political intelligence operation 3k. Magruder had

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Mr. DASEI. Did you also pull out that memorandum or these little notes that you had taken concerning thecommunication that you had from Mr. Haldeman to contact WIr. Liddy about his capabilities being switchedfrom Muskie to McGovern ?

Mr. STRACHAN. Well, I pulled that document out but I did not take that up to AIr. Haldeman.


Now, what did you believe at that time when you took the document out ?

Did you believe that a break-in at the Democratic National Committee headquarters was in fact related tothis plan ?

Mr. STI'£ACHAN'. I didn't know for sure, but I had pretty strong suspicions.

Mr. DASH. Did you meet with Mr. Haldeman shortly after you pulled that file out ?

Mr. STRACHADi. Yes, I did.

Mr. DASE[. Could you tell us when ?

Mr. STRACHAN. I believe it Novas the morning of June 20. He had returned from Florida, I had given anote to Mr. Higby that I thoueht I should see Mr. Haldeman. Mr. Haldeman summoned me to his office, and Iwalked in with the political matters memorandum.

Mr. DASH. I think you had indicated that you were somewhat concerned about Mr. Haldeman~s reaction toyou about not being informed. Were you still concerned when you met with Mr. Haldeman on June 20?

Mr. STRACE[AN. Yes, I was scared to death. I thought I would be fired at that point for not having fi~uredthat out.

Mr. DASH. NVere you fired or did he berate you ?

Mr. STRACHAN-. No, he did not berate me. He said almost jokingly, "Well, what do we know about theevents over the weekend?" And I was quite nervous and retreated to sort of legal protective terms and I said,"Well, sir, this is what can be imputed to you through me, your agent," and opened the political mattersmemorandum to the paragraph on intelligence, showed it to him. He acknowledged his check and that he hadread that, and said that he had not read the tab, which had been attached,turned, began reading it, said, maybeI should have been reading these, these are quite interesting,, and read the tab.

Mr. DAsir. What tab was that ?

Mr. ST]2ACHAN. That was Sedan Chair II.

Mr. DASE1. Then nvhat, if anything did you tell him or did he tell you after he had gone through thismemorandum again ?

Mr. STRACEXAN. He told me, "Well, make Sure our files are clean."

lMr. DASH. What did that mean to you ?

Mr. STRACHAN. Well, I went down and shredded that document and others related.

Mr. DASH. Now, did vou do that on vour own initiative as such, or did you feel that you were makingSure that you lvere following Mr. Haldeman's instruction that you should make sure the files are clean i

Sir. STRACTIAN. No, I believed I \ ras following his orders.

Mr. DASH. And you shredded all of No. 18, the political matters memorandum No. 18 ?

Mr. STRACHAN. Thatiscorreot.

Mr. DASH. What about the memorandum that you hflid made on the communication Edith regard to Mr.Liddy ?

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WIr. STrtAcrrAs. Yes, I shredded that also.

Sir. D.\SII. Adhere there any other documents that you shredded ?

WIT*. STRACITAN-. Yes, I did go throllXl and make sure our files vere

clean. I shredded the talliina'paper between Sir. Haldeman and 3Ir.Mitchell on April 43 I shredded a reference to Sir. SegTetti, I shredded

AIr. Segretti's telephone number.

iVIr. DAslr. What reference avFas that to 3Ir. SeOoretti ?

3Ir. STRA\CHAN-. AVell, there had been Sa dispute between whether or

not Afr. Segretti should continue out in the field functioning some-what independent. AIr. Magruder wrote a memorandum to WIr.Mitchell entitled Splatter of Potential Embarrassment" in which shedescribed Xthis individual in ;t.he field and holv t.hat individual shouldbe under the direction of Sir. Liddy. 3Ir. Mitchell had a copy of thatand iSIr. Hqaldeman had a copy of that. and 3Ir. Haldeman had toldme to call up AIr. Segretti and to tell him to expect a call and his di-

rections from 3Ir. Liddy. I shredded that memorandum also.

AIr. DASH.AVerethereany otherdocumentstha;tyoushredded?

Sir. STR~\CHAN-. AVell. xve gave the committee a list.

Mr. DASH. You may have stated, but did that include the balking

paper that vou had prepared for BIr. Haldeman for his meeting with

AIr. Mitchell on April 4 ?

WIr. STR.\ClfAN-. Yes, I think I said that that nvas one of tbhe items.

3Ir. DASH. Nonv, after you shredded these papers on the 20th of

June 1972, did you inform anybody that you had done this?

Mr. STr~-vclFrAs-. Yes, I vent over to Joiln Dean's office and gave him

a list orally of the documents that I had shredded and told him that

those had been AIr. Haldeman's instructions.

WIr. I)ASH. Wily did vou inform John Dean ?

.Nlr. STRACl[w\5-. A\reil, John Dean lvas.las you know-, the counsel to

the President and the man who would presumably be handling this

problem.

AIr. DASH. Did VOII inform anybody else ?

WIr. STRACHAN-. ONE.

31r. DAslr. Non-, have you since had an opportunity to go through

the A;\Thite House records to look at the various memorandums that

you have prepared in the past?

Atr. S'rRACIIAN-. Yes, I have tone back intopan Executive Office Build

inC otlice, room t522, to go through the files.

WIr. DASH. And did these files still have the political matters memo

rall(ltum that vou had prepared for Ak. Haldeman?

AIR. STIL\CHAN-. Well, they contained all political matters memo

ranclums except No. l8.

BIr. DASH. IS was missing?

Sir. SML\CH.\N-. That is right.

3Ir. DASH. SO VOU reaffirmed the fact that you had destroyed 18?

AIr. STR6NCEIAN-. NVell, I did not forget that.

3Ir. DAsrr. No. It had not been replaced, anyway ?

AII'. STL\C I lAN-. No.

3Ir. D.vs7-r. Nolv, later, did vou ever inform AIr. Haldeman that vouwanted to mal;e sure that the files xvere clean 01' that vou had destroyed,

in fact, the particular files that you xvere worried about?

Mr. STR-\CIr\N-. Yes. On July 1, I lvas invited to To out with the

Presidential partv 011 Sir Force l)ne. Tllele xvere croineto l)e a series ofdiscussions out there XVitll Err. .AIacGregol- and Ate. AIalek regarding

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the campaign. I had done a political matters memo for the preceding2 weeks and I joined Mr. Haldeman and Mr. Higby on that fli$ht. Atthat time, I reviewed both the most recent political matters memor-andum and the fact that I had in fact made sure the files were clean.

Mr. DASH. What was Mr. Haldeman's reaction, if anything, when

you told him that you had destroyed No. 18 ?

Mr. STI2ACHAN-. I do not think he said anything. I just reported it

as a matter of fact and we vent on to something else.

Mr. DASH. And to your recollection, he accepted that as a matter of

fact ?

Mr. ST]2ACHAN. Well, I would remember if he had told me that was

a very stupid thing to do.

Mr. DASH. Now, was there any discussion' as to how many copies of

these memorandums in the future should be made ?

Mr. STRA-CHAN. Yes; he asked me how many copies of the political

matters memorandum had been prepared and :[ told him three, and he

told me at that time to cut the number down to two.

lAIr. DASH. Who received these copies? There were two, one for him

and one for who ?

, |Mr. STRACHAN. Well, one for Mr. Haldeman and one for me.

M/Ir. DASH. Ato v, after this event, and after, of course, the break-m

at Watergate, what was your relationship with the Committee To R8-Elect the President ? Did it continue, and did you continue as liaison 2

Mr. STRACHAN. Yes, it did. I had talked with Mr. Atalek on the trip

out to California and he talked to Mr. MacGregor about ho v good Ithought Bob Reisner nvas as an administrative assistant and the de-cision was made to move Bob Reisner to become Clark MacGregor'sadministrative assistant and I continued to work very, very closely

with Mr. Reisner.

Mr. DASH. Did you have any responsibilities to report to WIr. Halde

man concerning the Watergate affair ?

Mr. STETACHAN. None.

Mr. DASH. I take it that after the brealz-in, the so-called Watergate

affair became an important matter of concern in the campaign?

Mr. STRACHAN. Well, everybody folio ved it rather closely.

Mr. DASH. And I take it various meetings were held, and I think

that ve've had considerable testimony from a number of witnessesconcerning the meetings just after the break-in through June, thelatter part of July and August. Were you aware of those meetings?

Mr. STIlACHAN-. No, not really. I certainly never attended any. I

don't think I was specifically aware that they were having all these

meetings on what has turned out to be the Watergate matter.

Mr. DASH. NVere you aware of an interchange of information, let

me say between Mr. Dean, WIr. bIafflruder, AIr. btitehellE Mr. WIardian,Mr. LaRue, and then on the other side, Mr. Haldeman and 3Ir.

Ehrlichman, involving these meetings ?

Mr. STIL\CHAN. ArO, I don't think so and that sort of goes to the point

of how Dean could keep all facts and people sort of In order. I don't

think he ever told me that he xvas having all these meetings

Mr. DASH. So as you test.ified earlier with reward to the meetinffl bac.l~

on February 4 and also Januarv all, when Mr. Dean avas present. Mr.Haldeman would rely on Fir. Dean's repolt and it was not necessary

for you to be that messenger of the information. So it happened nfter-

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fensive and stated that he xvas merely on his pavroll as a consultant because Ellrlichman had so requested. Heasked me to determine if Hunt xvas still on his payroll and I said I ~-oukl check. Colson also expressedconcern over the contents of Hunt's safe. Several •veeL;s later—probably 4 or veal learned from Paul O'Brien,who was representing the reelection committee, that he had learned from :;jfr. Hunt's attorney Mr. WilliamBittman, that Hunt and Colson spolse on the telephone over the weekend of June 17-1S, and that Hunt hadtold Colson to get the materials out of his—Hunt's—office safe.

AIr. Hug.h Sloan called me to tell me he xvas lvorried. At that time I knelv of no reason why AIr. Sloanshould be worried so I told him not to worry. He told me that he svould like to meet with me and I told himthat I was trving to find out what had happened and requested w-e meet in a fen days. I do not recall theprecise date we did meeL

I nest contacted Middy and asked him to meet with me. He said he would come to my office. Xs he cameinto the office I xvaS on m5- nvav out. I suggested vfe take a valk. It svas shortly before noon Ed nve v;al'-ed down 17th Street toward the Clorcoran Gallery.

I Mill trv to reconstruct the conversation to the best of my memory. Awhile I cannot recall every detail, I doindeed recall the major items sve discussed.

Mr. Liddy told me that the men who had been arrested in the DISC were his men and he expressed concern

about them. I asked him xvhv he had men in the DSC and he told me that Magruder had pushed him into

doing it. He told me that he had not wanted to do it, but Magruder had complained about the fact that the)

lvere not rettincr good information from a bug they had placed in the DISC sometime earlier. He then

explained something about the steel structure of the Watergate Office Building that svas inhibiting

transmission of the bug and that thev had gone into the builclin(t to correct this problem. He said that he had

reported to Magruder that during the earlier entrv of the D5tC offices they had seen documents—which I

belies-e he told me were either Govermnent documents or classified documents—and Magruder had told him to

make copies of those documents.

Liddy was ver y apologetic for the fact that thev had been caught and that Mr. AtcCord was involved. Hetold me that he had used Atr. 3IcCord only because ,Macrruder had cut his budged so i)adl,y. I aslied himwhy one of the men had a checlv from AIr. Hoavard Hunt and he told me that these men avere friends of Huntand Hunt had put hinl in touch with them. I do not recall Middy discussing anV further involvement ofHunt, other than Hunt's ptittintr him in touch with the Cubans. I asked him if anyone from the White Housewas involved and he told me no.

As the conversation ended he again expressed his apology and lliS concern about the men in jail. I toldhim I cotlldn't help and he said he understood. He also told me that he lvas a soldier and svonld nester tall<.Ike said if anvone wished to shoot, him oil the street. he lvas readv. -ts sve parted I said I •vould he unable todiscuss this with ilim fllrthel. He said he understood and I returned to mv office.

After returning to mv office I arransrecl a meeting lvitll Shrlicllman in his oflice for micl-aftel]loon STordoll Stl':lc'll;lli e;lllle to

mV office

shortlv after I had met with r,icklv. ~iRtrachall tokl ante that he bald Ixle

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instructed by Haldeman to go through all of AIr. Haldeman's filesover the weekend and remove and destroy damaging materials. Lietold me that this material included such matters as memorandums fromthe reelection committee, documents relating to wiretap informationfrom the DSC, notes of meetings with Haldeman, and a documentwhich reflected that Haldeman had instructed Magruder to transferhis intelligence gathering from Senator Muskie to Senator AIcGovern.

Sto achan told me his files were completely clean.I spoke with 3Ir. Irleindienst and he told me that both the FBI

and the D.C. Metropolitan Police were investigating, and he assumedhac the FBI would take full jurisdiction of the case shortly He alsoabraded to his encounter with Liddy at Burning Tree Country Club,but Ed not explain this in full until I later met with him. I do nothave a record of when I met with AIr. Kleindienst, but it was eitheron Mondays the l9th, or the next day. I avill describe that meeting

shorty

I met with Ehrlichman in the mid-afternoon and reported in fullmy conversation with Liddy. I also told Ehrlichman about the earliermeetings I had attended in Mitchell's office in late January and earlvFebruary and my subsequent conversation with Haldeman. He toldme ha wanted to meet later with Colson and told me to attend. Ehrlich-msa also requested that I keep him advised and find out from theJustice Department on what was going on. I did not mention my con-versation with Strachan because I assumed that Ehrlichman eras aware

of this from Haldeman himself.

Later that afternoon I attended a second meeting in Ehrlichman'soffice with Colson. I recall Ehrlichman asking where Hunt was. I saidI had no idea and Colson made a similar statement At that point be-fore the meeting had started, Ehrlichman instructed me to call Liddyto have him tell Hunt to get out of the country. I did this, withouteven thinking. Shortly after I made the call, holvevers I realized thatno one in the NVhite House should give such an instrlletilln and raisedthe matter. A brief discussion ensued between Ehrlichman and myselfAs I recall, Ehrlichman said that he avas not a fugitive from justice,so why not. I said that I did not think it svas verv svise. At this point,Colson chimed in that he also thought it unwise and ~,hrlichmanagreed. I immediately called 'Liddy again to retract the request but heinformed me that he had already passed the message and it might betoo late to retract

Following this brief telephone skirmish refrardin.er lTunt's travel

plans, the meeting turned to Hunt's status at the Polite House. I hadlearned from Fred Fieldings who I had asked to cheek on it. that Hunthad not drawn a cheek from his TVhite House consulta-ntshiP since lateStarch of 19v2. But as far as I knew, the records indicated that. Huntavas still a White House consultant to Colson. After discussions of thishv Colson. who at this point lvas disosvnin,<- Hunt as a member of hisstaff. Ehrlichman called Afr. Bruce Kehrli and requested that he brineTIunt's personnel records 11p to Ehrliehman's office. Before Ivehrli ar-rivedn Co]son raised the matter of Hunt's safe. (7olson. without qettin,fsr)ecific, said it wns imperative that someone •ret the nollrellts of Hllllt'ssafe. Colsoh snerfrested. and F,hrlichman conenrred. that I take custodv


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I have more—mostly bits and pieces of information I would like toask you about to sort of fill in.

On this business with Mr. Strachan, cleaning up the files, and his

later shredding, I think he testified, as I recall, that later on duringan airplane trip on Air Force One he brought up this question with

you. Do you recall that?Mr. HALDENIAN, No, sir. As I said, I don't recap a report from him.

I I don't recall requesting him to do—to clean up the files nor do I recall

ort that he had done so.

Senator GURNEY. Did you ever discuss with Mr. Mitchell anythingabout the break-in or the coverup of Watergate? And now I am—ofcourse, I know you did late this year, in March, but I am tallying about

earlier. after the break-in, or during 1972 ?

iWr. HALDEMAN. After the break-in I am sure there were discus

sions—there arere discussions regarding the break-in and the ongoingdevelopments in the Watergate case and I am certain that Mr. Mitchellsvas in some of those discussions. So the answer regarding the break-in

would be yes.

Senator GuR~~r. I should have phrased my question a little better.Did you ever discuss any matters with him that indicated to you that

there was a coverup, is what I really intended to ask.

Mr. HALDEMAN. No, sir; I attempted in my statement to try to draw

a distinction between what now is termed coverup, which I feel is aloose term, that is not maybe defined in each person's mind the same asin each other person's, and it has so generally come to mean the illegalacts that have been made forth here, that when you say coverup, if bycoverup you mean any of the illegal actions that were or have beenalleged to have been taken, then my answer would be very clearly no.

Senator GtrRNET. I did intend that. I did intend to refine it to include the illegal actions.

IMr. Magruder worked for you as a staff man in the White House;

did he not ?Mr. HALDEMADf. He did for a short period of time. He came in tothe

White House as a special assistant under my direct responsibility as aproject man and continued in that role for approximately 4 months,I believe, at which time he moved over to Herb Elein's office as DeputyDirector of Communications, which was a post he held for a year, over

a year I believe, before he went to the reelection committee.

Senator GURNEY. Were you at all close to him during this periodof time in the White House? Were you close personal friends, see a

lot of each other ?Mr. HALDEM4N. No. He was a member of my staff. During the time

he was a member of my staff and I saw him fairly frequently on'abusiness basis but I had no social relationship with him.

Senator GErRNEY. Did he do any reporting to you when he was in hiscapacity of the Committee To Re-Elect the President as deputy cam-palgn director?

ZIr. HALDE}IAN. Some, yes; but he primarily reported to BIr. BIitehell

and I dealt primarily with Mr. Mitchell on matters relating to the

reelection committee.

Senator GURt8-ET. Again in any conversations that YOtl had with Mr.Magruder in the year 19-{2, did you discuss any of the illegal aspects

of the coverup of Watergate ?

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22. On June 20 or 21, 1972 Robert Mardian and Fred LaRue met in

LaRue's apartment with Gordon Liddy. Liddy told LaRue and Mardian

that he and Howard Hunt had developed the plans for entries into the

DNC and the McGovern presidential campaign offices; that he, Hunt and

others involved in the Watergate break-in had been previously involved

in operations of the White House, specifically an entry into the

offices of Daniel Ellsberg's psychiatrist;- that Hunt had acted to

make ITT lobbyist Dita Beard unavailable as a witness at the Senate

Judiciary Committee hearings on the nomination of Richard Kleindienst

to be Attorney General; and that he had shredded all new, serialized

$100 bills in his possession and other evidence relating to the

Watergate break-in. Later that day Mardian and LaRue met with John

Mitchell and apprised him of their meeting with Liddy. Mitchell was

told of Liddy's and Hunt's prior surreptitious entry into the office

of Daniel Ellsberg's psychiatrist and of Hunt's earlier activities

involving Dita Beard.

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Mr. LARUE. It n ould be the following 3Iondaey. It would be, I thinkthe lSth of June.

Mr. DASH. All right. On that Monday in the evening did you attend

- a meeting in WIr. WIitchell's ~Vashint,ton apartment at the AVatergateX

Mr. L.~RsE. WIr. BIitchell's apartment ?

AIr. DASH. Yes.

Mr. LARGE. Yes, sir.

Mr. Douse. TVho nvas at this meeting ?

BIr. L.vRIJE. Atr. Mitchell was at the rneetingX I was at the meeting

Mr. 3tardian came to the meeting WIr. Dean. and BIr. Alayntder.

Mr. DAS}f. Non-, could you tell us generally what the meeting lvas

about and what discussion tool; place ?

Ak. LARK. AIr. Dash, I have no specific recollection of any of thediscussions other than I would assume, and I am sure from the par-ticipants, that the discussion centered on the Al'atergnte incident. Theonly specific incident that I recall Eras a discussion by AIagrtlder ofsome sensitive files which he had, about my understanding relatingsto this incident, and that he xvas seel;incr advice about what to do about

those files.

A.rr. DASH. Now, did the term or the name "Gemstone" used at that

time? Did lle refer to it?

Mr. LAURA. If it was used, I do not recall it, no sir. It nvoulcl not have

meant anything to me, anyway.

ZIr; D SSH. Had you ever heard of that term "Gemstone" ?

Mr. LAURA. Not at that time, no sir.

Ok. Dash. Isthere a possibility it vasused atthattime?

AIr. LAREE. There is a possibility, but as I S.1V, it would not havemeant anything to me.

BIr. DASH. You say Atr. Magruder asked what heshould do about

these sensitive files?

btr. LARK. Yes, sir.

Mr. DASH. Did he get a response to that?

Mr. LARK. As I remember, there was a response from 3rr. Mitchellthat it might be good if Atr. Magruder had a fire.

hIr. DASH. Rho said that ?

Mr. LARK. As near as I can recall, WIr. Mitchell said that.Arr. DASH. Tlsat it might be n good idea if he had a good fire in his

house, ?

Mr. LARK. Yes.

Atr. DASH. Do vou recall in anV discussion of the politicallv Sensitive

files that the information they i;~volvecl m-as electronic surveillance?

Mr. LARUE. As I recall, there nvas n reference to files pertainino to

electronic surveillance, yes, sir.

Arr. D,xsfil. Is it true that at this meeting on June ID, l9,az where a

discussion was had about these files and the recommendations that itwould be good if Afr. Magruder had a rood fire in his llottse? lvas oneof tile ovelt acts which is included in the infollnation. the conspiracvof information to which vou pleaded guilty, the Julle ID meeting

WIr. L.\RUE. Yes, sir; that is true.

~ Arr. DASH. Nosv, lvas there n meeting in your apartment on Tulle at),

I 19,2?

Arr. L.\P/UE. Yes. sir.

all . D.sslr. (7ollkl you tell tlS who -ens thet e ?

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awl . LARU'E. Atr. tIardian, Atr. Lidely and mussel f.

Afr. VASfle ~tncl what ~v.ts discussed at that time? This is ATr Gordon

Liddy ?

Air. L ARES. Yes, that is correct.

This discussion centered around BIr. Lidd~-?s knozvledr,e and involve

ment in the be eal<-in.

AIr. D,\sfil. You say centered around his involvement. Could vou be

a little more specific? AElat did Air. Liddv sad Bras he there to tell

you what had occurred?

WIr. LARGE. I don't l~nonv that he svas there for that purpose, but

this is what evolved.

WIr. DASH. Who set up the meeting

WIr. LARtiE. Atr. AIardian set up the meeting.

WIr. DASH. XVhat did you understand, since it was in sour apart

ment, that the meeting nvas to be about?

Afr. LARK. Ary presence in the meetings occurred in this maser:

Atr. Arardian came to me on that day and wanted to bow if he couldborroxv my, use my apartment, that he had a meeting set up v7ithGordon Liddv. I told him that would be fine. I gave him the keysto my apartment, and I think at that time, he said, you might as

vell join me.

Arr. DASH. B7here, by the wav, is your apartment located?

Afr. LARK. At that time, I was in Watergate West.

3rr. DASH. Nosv, you lanes that, especiallv from what Arr. Alarfflruder

had told you on his telephone call with Arr. Liddv, that 3rr. Liddy

had been one of those who nvas involved in the breal~-in ?

Muir. LARK.. No, Arr. Dash, I do not think that was dimmed at

that time.

AIr. D.ss~. WVell, you said that Afr. WIaOymder went bade and said

there avas trouble, there nvas a break-in, that that xvas the day theyvere ^,oinC to (to into Democratic national headquarters when Arr.Liddoy was on the phone. AVhen 3Ir. ,Alar,ruder came back, didn't yousay that Arr. Liddy had told Arr. Magruder about the. break-inX

Afr. LARK. Yes; but I don't think that at that time, 3rr. Liddy

had indicated anV involvement of himself at that operation.

Air. DASH. Dial he mention AIr. AIcCord?

Atr. LARGE. He did mention Arr. WIcCord, yes, sir.

Arr. DASH. tt that time, did he mention himself at your apart

ment on June °O?

Afr. LARGE. Yes, sir.

Arr. D ASH. (?ould you tell tlS what lle did say about his involvements

WIr. LARK. AIr. Liddy told us that he had recruits the five people

that had been catl.rht in the Delnocratic Dıational Committee. that hehad, he and AIr. Hunt had set tip this operation, that he and Afr. Huntvere at a hotel room at the Watergate Hotel dtlrinzr the actual brenk-ill. He described the listening post that tlle~- had across the street

Ott the Horv2lld .Johnson's.

WIr. D.ssfil. By the n~ay, did he tell VOtl oabottt an+- other activit he

had been en~,ec.ed in for intelligence pulposes or covert activities be-

sisles the bl ea loin at the llratertate ?

Its. r,.~rs t-E. Yes, lie did.

Atr. D as 21. Could +'Otl tell tl3 what thev did 's

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51t. L-\IQUE 311. Liddy melltiolled tllat he hacl on othel occasions

been ins-olz-ed in incidents or o£)erations for the AN~llite llOtlae. and llesl)eeificall,> rllentiollecl tile attelul)ted btlr^,lar,~- of the Gttice of tile psv-chiatrist of AIr. Ellsber~. He specificallv mentioned another inciclent.in ~N-hicll Atr. SIunt used a disatwise. I think—tiliS xvas in Denxer. Colo.7vhen Atrs. Dita Bearcl xvas ill the llospital. AIr. Hunt used a <lisnwiseto surreptitiollsl,>~ enter the room alld llave a conversation xvitlt ArrS.

Beard.

AIr. D TSH. Do you recall any other incidents that he tall;ed about?

Arr. LARrE. I don't recall an~-, llO, sir.

WIr. DASH. Do vou recall Afr. Lidd) tellinffl vou or arl. Afarclian

about his shootint, out the li,¢rhts around the AIcGovern lleadquarters

Air. L.xR~. Yes, I do recali that.

3t1w. Dvslr. That ~vas durinzr an unsuccessful attempt to break into

3IcGovern lleaclqualters ?

3Er. LARUE. tn unsuccessftll atteml)t. He had sllot otlt some lifrhts,

' I thil,I; in an alle~- or somelvlace arottnd AIcGovern lleadquarters.

AIr. DASH. Do you recall 5.lr. Lidd) discussinfr at tlsat time lrhether

or not there nvas any possibilit~- lle mizrht cret cauftht or mistht .get found

out ?

AIr. L&R~. AIr. Liddv assured us that he had conducted this opera

tiOII ill such a manller that it cottld IlOt be traced to him. that we shouldnot have any fears that anv sllbsequent investiaation svould lead to

him.

Afr. DASI-I. Nevertheless. did AEr. Liddv ofFer anv t~l~e of punish

ment tlwat he ~vollld be svillinc to accept for llis fail;lre in this case 7

Mr. L.sRIJE. Yes; Afr. LiddV assure(l us that in anv e~-ent. he lvould

never reveal anv information gIbout t}liS in the course of an) investiga-tions es-en if it led to him. Ibllt if xve n-ere IlOt satisfied xvitlf tllat asbvir-ance., that thou(rh he lvas, I think, persollall~- or morallv opposed tosuicicle. that if sve xvould instrtlet him to be on anV street corner aL anv

time, he Lvould be tllere and n-e COIIICi have llin; assassinated.

ATr. D.\SH. III othel XVOI ds, lse xvas xvilling to l)e rul>bed Otlt ?

ar. I,.xRrE. Yes, sir.

Atr T).sslr. I tal;e it nol)ocly tool; hinl tl1) 011 llis offer7

Atr. L.tRcE. 5'ot tllat I l;noxv of. 110. sir.

ATr. D.\SH. Non-. tlle naeetinfr +^-as betxveen VOII, Alaldiall, allcl Btr.

Licldv in vour ar)artlnellt ?

ar.. L VFSUE. Yes. sir.

AIr. D.\SH. NO\V, it rvas this IneetillfY th;tt VOII llacl XVitll Atr. I,iclell

in xvhicll these revelatiolls callle frolll AIr. Liclclv. A\~as tllis infolm-.i-tion reported to BIr. :\litchell 9

ar.. I,XP~5E. Zres, it rvas.

Afr. I) SSH. Do VOII recall svluen it XV:lS, bV cvholll ?

Atr. I,.vRt-E. 'i'lle best of IllV recoilectioll XVOIIIlI be tlle same ela~-.

the ;S~ uQOII 01 late evellill~r of .JIllle D().. Dsslr. A5rllat svas wr~. Atitellell's leactioll lvhell he lleard lvhat

0 otl hilul to saw ?

arl. r.\ltl-F. Al~ell. he xvas—arl. Alitchell is llot :1 t)elst ll tll:lt dellloll

stt.ltes a zrre.lt dcall of eluotiotl :II)rllIt ;~nvtllill~-. Atr. Dasln T tlon't

et rlll ;Itl! sl)es itie l (~ai tion.

Afr. I) vs}r. Noxv. di(l arl . T2i(ivlx tell VOII evllo 11;ltl al+})roved the

ol)et arioll ~vll(~n lle ~V;IS tellill~~ V011 :;I)ollr rl;tM Iere:ll<-ilt at tlle l)etll~~eratic

5'atioll:ll C8otnnlitt(ab he:wclzlll:lltels, 01~ an!- of rlle • rlle! activities)

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Atr. LARIJE. Senatol, I stand on tlle fact that I do not knezv lvho

made these conllllitmealts, 110, Sil~.

Senatol T.~L3r \DGE. Btlt VOlt tllonfrllt they- on~~llt to l)e carried ovit re

,,ardless of lVIlO made thexr;.vll{l under lvhat conditiolls?

311. L SI{U-E. I thou.rllt tllat svhat ?

Senator TALAtAD1;E. \-OU thought they ou^~ht to be carrie~l out re

gardless of lV}lO made them nlld totall,> unl;lloxvn to ~-on7

3Ir. L XRE-E. 'I thollght tlle) Otlgllt to be earried out because of the

consequences if they xvere IlOt.

Senator TAL3t tDCE. Did VOtl knolv anvtlling abollt the break-in prior

thereto ?

Atr. L.sRrJE. Pardon me, I anl sorrzr.

Senator T.\L3tADCE. Did vou hlow the breal~-in was planned prior

to that time? Dicl vou l~-no~- that Liddv and his as~iates were yoint

to breal; illtO the AN'atergate and commit burglarv ?

Arr. L.&RFE. N O. sir.

Senator T.ALBIaDCE. You did not ?

3tr. L.sRrE. No, sir, I dicl not.

Senator TAL3t.\DCE. Did AIr. Atitchell knolv ?

Atr. LAR5E. A-ot to my knoxvledge, no, sir.

benator l AL3[AWE. I believe )'011 met svith Atr. Liddv on Jtlne 90.

Arr. LARFE. Yes, sir.

Senator T.\L3t.NDCE. Xnd vou discussed various-thinp.-Did Arr.

Liclcly tell aou at that time that he had shredded a-nelllber of

clocuments ?

WII'. L.\RFE. Yes, sir.

Senator T.\L3t.-tDCE. Did he tell 5 ou the nature of those documents?

Atr. L.sRr~E. He indicated that thev lvere doculllellts relatinD to the

brenk-in, yes, sir.

Senator T. VL3IADCE. -&nd the) avere in the files of the Committee To

Re-Elect the President?

Atr. L\RFE. The,> lvere in—mv undelstallelillcr is tllev lvere in his

files, ~-es, sir.

Senator T.\T,Z[ADCE. N0n-, I l)elieve arl Alardiall lvas present at that

same conversation, M ns he not ?

Atr. LARUJE. Tes. sir.

Senatol TAL3tADCE. lN hat svas his renction to tlliS Lidtlw- stol v

that_

Atr. L.sSrm. What svasAtr. Atardian's reactioll?

Senatol TAL3tADGE. Yes.

AII~. LARCE. I think AIr. Alardiall m-as—shared tlle same 013illion I

did. He lvas rather shoclced bV the revelations of zvhat had l)een linoxvn.became l;novvn as tlle AlYllite Hotlse hollols, ancl I do not tllin1~ heshaled anV enthtlsiaslll that the investigatioll ovonld evelltllallv lead

to Atr. Lidclv.

Sellator TAX,At.EtS.E. Dicl AIr. Liddv tell volt nt that time abont the

Ellsl)el~t psvehi:ltlist brealc-in?

_~~es. sir.

~T.\r.~r.\De.r . Norv. 11;1(1 llOt Arr. ATal cliall l)een in alla t-~e of theIntel llal Seenl it! I)iVisioll of the .Jtlstice I)eI artlnellt that xV:IS in

cllal {re •f i)l oseclltillrr tllc l.'ll.~her 07 casc ?

:\r~-. I,.srst-F. I •lo not i;llOEV ~~ho lvas in (llal-tte of lwroseallri!l~> ic.

S;en;ttol . art . Ata rdian. t)I'iO I' to lliS eoTnin~~ to t lle z olllnl ir tee, ~vaS assist-

nnt attollles .,renel;ul ill cllalfre of Intelrlal Securic~-. ~-es. Sil.

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attempting to detennine the amount of money that had been given toArr. Liddy, and when I determined this amount of money I think r

reported that to Mr. Mitchell.

Senator jSWI:ON-TOYA. But you are speaking of the period after June

Mr. LARUE. After the break-in, yes, sir.

Senator WION-TOYA. Did you have anv discussion with ALr. Stitched

between Januarv 17 or let us put it a little further, between April 1and June 17 with respect to any disbursements to Fir. Liddy by Air.

Mr. LARK No, sir.

Senator Mo>-rorA. You did not.

Did you—but you did know that these disbursements were being

made by WIr. Sloan to Mr. Liddy?

AIr. LARK. No, sir, I did not.

Senator WtONTOYA. Did you during this particular period converse

with Arr. Rla~~ruder svith respect to any disbursements to Mr. Liddy?

AIr. LARGE. ATo, sir, not that I can recall.

WIr. VINSON-. Senator, may I interrupt. AVhat period are you tallow

about ?

Senator MON-TOTA. Between the time that Mr. AlitcheU took overs

April 1 and June 17.

AIr. LARK. No, sir, not that I can recall.

P Senator WION-TOYA. Now let us go to the meeting immediately aFerthe break-in which occurred, I understand, ın Air. Alitchell's apart-

ment on June 19, avas that correct?

BIr. LsRa7E. Yes, sir.

Senator AtON'TOYA. NONE present at that meeting were you, BLr. ZIar

dian, and who else?

AIr. LARK. Atr. A.taguder and WIr. Dean.

Senator WION-TOR-A. All right. ATo v, what bats the main thruG of

- the discussion this particular evening?

WIr. LARK. Senator, I can onlv assume that we had probably a

svide discussion or a discussion of the numerous problems that lvere—lve had encountered because of the Watergate break-in. I think Istated preciously that I had a very hazy recollection of that meetingand specifically can only recall the discussion of the documents svhicWAtr. Magruder had and the reference to the fact that he ought to have

the fire.

Senator AION-TOT-\~ WN'elh would vou say that this meetina was a meet

illg of self-confession on the part of those present 2

Atr. LARK. No, sir.

Senator AtON-TOY\. _t5 to •vllat part their had played in this and

what they Etesv ?

Atr. L \Rr;z,. No, sir.

Senator Ato>Tow- \. ANell, svllat lvas it then? I understand that at this

n)eetin~ yolt presented the information whir h Atr. Licldv had alreadv

illll)artecl to sotneone?

3[1*. I,.\S\CE. A-0. sir. Tllat llappened. tll: t meeting with Mr. Liddv

llal)pened on .6Illle XO, the dots after this meeting.

Senator AtONTt)Y.\. Vn(l tilen it xvasSlll)setlllellt to the nleetint with

Atr. I,iddv that—ancl. that another nnretin~r rvas arr.lnfrtM at fioural)al tlllellt., is that C'Ol'l'thwt ? 'I'llis Evils 011 fJ lule at} R

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Mr. LAE;tirEL The only meeting, Senator, that occurred that I had,

that I can recall with Atr. LiddV would be 011 June o0 in mV apartrnent.This tvas not, to mar knoTvledt,e—this meeting tvas not set up dis-

cussed at the June 19 meeting

Senator BION-TOYA. All right.

Noxv, on June 90, after you people met, what T,vas discussed and avhat

lan evolved from this particular meeting ?

Mr. LARtrE. Senator, could you be more specific about Tvhich meet

illg you are tallcing about? Are you talking about the meeting withLiddy or the meeting that hIardian and I had with 31r, Alitehell 2

Senator WION-TOYA. The meeting with—between you or among you—

3Iardian and Biddy ?

Mr. L. RUE. On June, 20. Well, the topic discussion avas WIr. Liddv'sinvolvement in the Watergate breals-in. I don't knoTv of any—sve 6-

cussed no plan of action.

Senator WIONTOYA. Well, did you report any of t.he results of this

meeting to BIr. Mitchell?

BIr. L&R~. Yes, sir.

Senator WION-TOYA. How soon after?

Mr. LARGE. As I recall, that same day.

Senator AION-TOY.\. Immediately. Do you recall that Fir. Mitchell on

that same evening at the hour of 6:08. I believe. called the President?

btr. LARK Senator, I do not recall 3Ir. Mitchell calling the Presi

dent. That is a possibility. I do not recall it, no. sir.

Senator WION-TOYA. Shell, I refer you now to the chart here, on the

evening of June 20, at the hour of 6 :0S, it shoTvs a telephone call to

the President. ATonv, Tvere you aware of this call ?

Sir. IwAR5E. i!=o. Senator, I cannot recall the call. Is that a call

to the President or from the President ?

Senator WION-TOYA. It was a call to the President Mom Atr. Mitchell.

Sir. L.vRuz~ I cannot recall the call, no, sir.

Senator BION-TOTA. How late were you with WIr. Mitchell thisparticular evenino ?

ATr. L TRUE. Senator. to the best of my recollection, probably until

10 o'clock.

'Senator 3'IO.N-TOY-v. ATonv, ATr. LaRue, during the course of thesemeetings there Tvas no manifestation, or at least VOu hare not relatedit, no manifestation of surprise on the part of any of you, vou severemerely trying to plan for the future because vou l~-nesv by then thatpeople in the CRP were involved. Hoav did you arrive at this

conclusion ?

Atr. ALARM That people in the CRP were involved ?

Senator AtON~rOY \. Yes.

Atr. T,.vRrE. Well. obsiouslv the first fact, Senator. that Atr. BrcC.ord

had been arrested in the DD\TC, Afr. I,iddv's aecollnt of his ins-ols~ement

to or.. At.ardian and 1: my conversations with Atr. AtaCrlocler.

Senator BIONTOYA. NO\V, did Atr. Arayrnder relate to \-011 subsequent

to the.—immediately subsequent to the first call in California as to

Arr. ~,iddv s ins-olve'rnent in this particularthin~9

3t1'. T~\Rxw. No. sir, not at that time, as I recall. Tllere eras no

cliscllssion off By.. I,icklvXs ins-ols-emerlt.

XSen:ltfll AtON-TOY.\. Dial loll, before yoll left California, Snow of

this p:trticul:lrinvolvement?

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Mr. SERBIAN. I think I would have recalled such a discussion had

it taken place in my presence.

Mr. t~}IlLTON-. BTell, are you aware of any testimony by hIr. LaRue

and Mr. Magruder that you left the meeting before destruction of the

Gemstone file ?

Mr. ~~RDL\N. I don't think anybody asked that question and I don't

think anybody asked Sir. LaRue when I arrived Maybe they did. I

don't l-now.

Mr. HA3ItLTO2f. But you know of no statement by 3Iagrruder or

LaRue here or otherwise that you were not present at this meeting

vhen the destruction of the Gemstone file took place?

WIr. 3aDL&X. Well, I haven't talked to them.

Mr. HA)ILT.TON. Mr. AIardian, did you, in the several days foUo~g

June 19, have an occasion to interview 3Ir. Liddy 2'

Mr. IW[A~IAN. Yes.

BIr. Hs\97tILTON. And who else was present in this interview?

3Ir. bL\RDL-sOf. Mr. Fred LaRue.

Air. HA31ILTO2f. Sir. LaRue testified at page 4595 that this meeting

nvas on June 20. Do you concur in that testimony ?

Sir. zL\RDL&2f. No. And I might state that there is doubt in my mind

as to the date of that meeting. I originally, in response to questionsput to me by the UT.S. attorneys Wed the date of that meetinffl as the21st or 22d. They told me that the meeting took place on the 20th Fefinally settled on the 20th or 21st, and I believe I told your committeethat lt lvas the 20th or 21st. In checking my records I would have tosay that the meeting took place on the morning of—and again I could

be mistal;en, the morning of June 91.

lWr. HA3tlLTON. What is there in your records, AfrX Atardian, that

indicates to you that the meeting tools place on this day '2

hIr.1X~ ~ L&N-. On the worksheetthat has been turned over to your

committee, I note that I got a call from Gordon Liddy and it coincideswith my earliest recollection that I did not meet with Ak. Liddy atleast on the first day of my return. I am not saying that that is abso-lute, I am just—my earliest recollection sras the 21st or 92d, and I thiiI have testified that it could be the 20th or 21st but I would have to say

that it svas the 21st.

Atr. HA3r1LTON-. Is it your recollection that this meetmg with ZIr.

Liddy took place on the morning of the fist?

WIr. AtARDI.\X. This is purely a surmise based upon that call. It

looks to be the first call that I noted. and my recollection is lie said he

avas leaving that day for Los Sngeles.

BIr. HAAtILTON. I notice in your diary that there. are numerous meet

ings scheduled on June Slst, one at 8; one at S:30; one at 9:30; oneat 10; one at 11; and one at 12, that appears to have been canceled.Alrould this heavy load on the morning of the Slst suggest to vou that

perhaps the meeting tool; place on the Both ?

Atr. ALWDrAN-. That crossmark does not indicate a eaneellation, I

thinlz vou svill finsd that crossmarlc on every AIondav, WednesdnJr,and Friday, which xvas the time I lvas supposed to exercise, which I

did IlOt.

I note that the meeting—there is one, for instance, with a aentle

man at eS :3n and then another one at 1() o'clock. I do not thinly I met

vith th:lt. g,elltlemall twice on that dav. One appeals to be :l resclledul-

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inn, nod the fact that I have it noted in mar book does not mean that

I kept the appointment.

I am tr,>-int, to rive )'OU the best. mar best recollection.

- All. Et:\)[lLTON-. How did this meeting come about, AIr. Alardian?

Atr. AtARDIAN. AVell, my recollection differs with that of Atr. LaRue.

Again, Str. LaRue could be right. 3Iv recollection vas that Atr. EQ-Rue told me Afr. Middy wanted to talk to me. I do IlOt recall whetherit wvas Ak. I,aRue that told me this or BIr. Liddy to come to my office.Mr. Lidd) was reluctant to come to my office. He lvantecl to meetsome place else. and eve met in Atr. LaPLtie's apartment. I believe that,more than anything else, nvas the basis for mv belief that it avas BIr.LaRue that arranged for the meeting and indicated vice could meet in

his apartment.

WIr. HA3tlLTON'. Atr. 3Iardian, I wondered in vour own words if vou

svould, in some detail, tell us what occurred at this meeting and tell

115 what information Sir. fJidd,, imparted to you ?

Mr. 3tAltDIA,S. WIy recollection is pretty l isid. I mav forget some of

the items that he disclosed to me, but I lvill trv not to.

We arrived, Air. LaRue and I arrived at his apartment and soon

thereafter, 3Ir. Liddv came into the room. The first thintr he askedMr. LaRue was whether or not he had a radio. Mr. LaRIle indicated aradio which lvas in the corner of the listing room. BIr. Lidds went overand turned the radio on and asked me to sit bv the radio in n chair. andhe sat in a couch, as I recall, that nvas next to an end table that the

radio vason.

He apologized to me bV saving somethino to the effect that it is

not that I do not trust Toils bait this conversation cannot be recorcled.lMy inference from that lvtlS he thought I hnA some lEind of a device

• on me, possibly something in the room, I do not know

And attain, I am going to have to sav that I do not recall the se

quence of events in which he related these things to me. Malt I do recallthat he said that he wanted to hire me as his laavver, as his personalattorney I told him that I was acting as attorney for the committeeand that I could not relieve nl~-self of that resr)onsibilitv to representhim. He then said it lvas imperative that he be able to talls to me inconfidence and that under no circumstances collld I disclose what

he told me.

I told him that since he lvas an employee of the committee and I

xvas acting as attorneV for the committee, he could talk to me as aclient to .i~laxn-er and that I lvonld maintain his confidence. I,llt thatI vould have to be at libettv to disclose what he told me to 3tr.3Iitchell. At first, I believe he clenltlrrecl, and I told him that xvas

the only basis on which I could talk to him.

One of the things that he tokl me xvas that he had n message from

her. Htlnt, that 31t. Hunt felt that it m-as the committee's olulig:ltionto provide bail nloneV to ret his men otlt of jail. -\t that time; these

people xrere incarcerated in the District of (~olanlbia Jail.

I lvas interested in fit~t-lin^, out lvllat had occlllrecl anti I interro

•rated hint tIS to the events of the es-enillfr of .Jallllarv 16s .Tllne 16.

the nlorrtinft oil the lath. Sled he related to me ~V}l;lt hail oconrreclabotlt the l)re:tl;-in, told nle that then had planllecl, as I recall. to

l)lealc into the Atc(.ros-eln hett(l(lttaltel-s that sanwe nisrllt.

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About the arrest of the fiN-e people, Mr. 3TcCord and the others,

their flitht, he indicated to me that there wns nothing to fear, becausethe only person that could identifv AIr. Liddy was Ab. McCoy andMr. AtcCord would not divulge his identity, that the Cuban- Americanswere old soldiers who had worked in the CIA with Err. Httnt sincethe Bay of Piffls, and that they would never under any circumstancesdisclose WIr. Hunt's identity, and that the committee had nothing to

fear in that reward.

I told him that, based upon what he had related to me, the events

of that evening one of which included, as I recall, his sitting on theshoulders of one of the men at a distance—I don't recall, some 300 feetor 3l)0 yards—shooting out a licht behind the Democratic Committeeheadquarters. I pointed out to him that a person that he was thatintimate with would certainly be able to identify him, pointed out thathe had spent, that he had told us he had spent some time in the roomwith these people in their hotel room, they had eaten, that his fint,er-prints would be all over the place. He Icept insisting that there lvas no

chance that he svould be identified.

I tried to convince him he would be identified. that his best bet

avas to rive himself up rather than try to wait for them to arrest him.

He discounted this possibility. iFIe did, after some discussion, indi

cate that it nvas possible that he could be arrested. but I inquired ofhim as to the—because of the news accounts of the almest and theapparent bungled effort, the possibility that someone in the grouphad had it in mind that thev would be arrested, to embarrass theCommittee To Re-Elect the President. He discounted this completelvby saying that this group had been operating tovether for some con-siderable period of time, that thev lvere all real''pros, that then hadengaged in numerous jobs. End when I asked him what land of jobs,

he said, ave pulled two right under your nose.

I inquired as to what he meant by that and he said that thev had

invaded the of lice of the psychiatrist of'Dr. Ellsberg and that they svere

the ones lvho got Dita Beard out of tolvn.

I expressed mv strono displeasure with respect to—I pointed out

that the avocet thing that had happened in the hearings was that Dita

Beard disappeared.

Iasked him hecauseofthe Ellsberp breal;-inavhat,ifansthin~,ther

had obtained? He told me that thev had obtained nothing that they

had searched all the files and couldnit find his record.

I asked him on whose authoritv he xvas operating and I wish to be

very carefull here. because I don't lcnoxv that he used the name of thePresident, but the lvords he did use were clearlv meant too implv thathe lvas acting on the express authoritrof the President of the United

Stated with the assistance of the Central Intelligence Agency

I made some notes of—oh, I asked him xvhat information thev had

obtained. He told me that the purpose of making this entry that thisentry lvas not of his cloin(7, that neither he nor 3tr. Hlmt thought itx:-as a ffloo(l ideas that thev had obtained nothing from the bulr thatthev had l)res-iollslv impl:;ntefl in the place. Ele tolfl me that the onlvthing they heel ascertaillecl from that bass svas the fact that somebocll-

at the Democratic National committee svas tallying to somebaclv atthe—was tallvint, to the peat We or a r)erson at the Committee Ta Re-

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Elect the President, that although he and WIr. Hunt lvere againstthe entry, that WIr. AIaoSruder-

Senator BARER [presidina]. Should you suspend for just a minute,

Alr. Witness?

Anvbody avho svants to leave the room should do so noxv so sve don't

have disruption of the vFitneSsX testimony. And would the officer dose

the door, please, for quiet in the witness room.

Would you please proceed?

WIr. B'L\RDL-X};. I think I lvas explaining that neither he nor WIr.

Hunt felt that any additional entries would be fruitful, but that he

had, thev had made the entry at the insistence of Sir. Magruder.

I recall again inquiring as to why the stupid adventure. It seems

to me to be the most ridiculous thing I had ever heard of. As a politi-cian, or as a person that had had political experience, I couldn't un-derstand what they would hope to bet out of the Democratic nationalheadquarters before they even had n candidate. much less afterwardsParty headquarters, at least Republican Party headquarters, are very

sterile during this period of time.

He could not answer the question for me other than to say that he

vvas carrying out his orders.

WIr. HABr}LTON. 3Ir. WIardian, did WIr. Liddy mention what to of

budget he lvas operating lulder?

Mr. BI2\RDIAN. I lvas asked a question about the budget this morning,

and I responded both to you and to the chairman, and I stated-

Senator ERVIN. Excuse me, I have to interrupt this. It appears that a

hoax has been perpetrated upon the committee, at least upon the chair-

man of the committee.

I lvas called to the telephone just before the lunch period and I lvas

told before I event to the telephone that Secretary of the TreasrlrvShultz svas calling and wanted to speak to me. I lvent to the telephoneand a voice at the other end of the line informed me that it lvas Secre-tary of the Treasury Shultz. I am not familiar enough with the voiceof the Secretary to be able to identify it and so I just assumed that theperson at the other end of the line lvas Secretarv Sllultz. and he madethe statement which I reported to the committee and the ne vs media on

this microphone.

In the meantime. there has been communications between White

House counsel, Atr. Garment. and the staffs5 and BII%. Garment professedignorance of any matters of that kind and, as I understand. an investi-~ation was made, and Secretary Shultz vas contacted and SeeretarvShultz stated that he had no slleh conversation. So I had his ofi:icecalled and asked that he be placed on the phone, and so I was informeda felv minutes ado—the reason I put it this avay is because I hate tohave my faith shattered in humanitv—but I vas called to the phoneand I lvas informed that Secretarv Shultz lvas indeed on the phone.I event to the phone and had a conversation with the man lvho reallvassured me he lvas the real Seeretarv Sllult% Flau(>lltel] an(l lle ili-formed me that he had had no conversation With Ille tod;lv: that avho-ever did it svas somel)odv else; that the onlv conversation lie held withme recently 1:),>- teleF)llone Divas avllen he called me vesterd: v to tell mesnmethilly al)nllt tll2 Al~llite House and the witnesses t'rom the Secret

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So it is just an awful thins for a very trustino soul lil;e me to find

that there are human beings, if you can call them such, who should

perpetrate a hoax like this.

Acldit-ional information which I received from counsel. and which

counsel assures me that the) have received by telephone and not inpetson, and which they believe svas received from AVhite House coun-sel is to the effect that the President has the request of the commit-tee under advisement and will reach some decision about it earlv nestveer. So notwithstanding the fact that my trust in humanitv h,is beengrossly abused by someone I am going to—and notwithstanding thefact that some people think the telephone is an instrument of the devilanvv;aV [lauahterl I am boina to assume that the informationwhich counsel received at one end of a telephone line from somebody at.the other end lvas indeed information conveyed to them bv Kite

House counsel and that the recent information is correct.

Senator B\IIER. AIr. Chairman, it would be helpful if v-e couldhave found a secure telephone [laughter] but in anv event, too.I would view with great distaste the apparent hoax that has been per-petrated on the committee. The fact that it avas received here on a con-fidential phone number in the committee room would seem to lendcredence at the first blush, and I can full:, understand the transactionas it has transpired

I would sav for the record, however, that the thanks I expressedand the admiration I expressed for the accommodation of both parties

still stands as an advance payment on what I hope will still happen.

Senator ERGO-. I would add that the commendation I • isited uponthe committee members svoulcl still stand and I Would like to expand itto include both the majoritv and the minority staff members. End Itrust that nobodv in the future Mill attempt to deceive and misleada trusting and unsuspicious individual like the chairman of this com-mittee in any such fashion [laughter].. In other lvords, the counselsUt,aebts that eve have had some talli about dirtv tricks. I think it isa unanimous opinion of this committee that this lvas a right dirts

trifle rLauahter.]

' I Err. HABtMTON-. Err. Alardian. I belies-e a minute am we were talking

about what Arr. Liddv told vou about the budget that he lvas operatina

under.

Arr. AtARDI\N-. I think I responded to that earlier this lmornin~~ Imentioned the budget matter in a conversation with WIr. AIitchell pres-ent in California. It is possible that that subject came tlp a*er my dis-eussiorl NVitll Afr. LiddV because 3rr. Liddy told me and it mav havebeen for the firEt time. that he svas operating under a blldit approvedby AIr. Mitchell and tlie Aplite House during that June al meeting if it

is the fist.

Z[r. H.vzrIr.Tos-. Whilst to malce the record clear. Arr. Atardian, did

Arr. I,iddv also sav to vole that the operations that he had t>een in-voll-ed ill such as the Ellsberffl burylala and the T)it; Beard incidenth lcl the approval of the Presiclellt rind the (71-t, Is that a correct par.t-

phl<tse. sold if not. please eol rect me.

Cry-. AtArvDr.v>-. Us I tokl VOID befog the sta R. I C1011't lYc;lll. I can't

S.lV that he slid the Presi(lellt of tile Ignited States. halt the wordslie used or the word he 1lsecl avers meant to illll~lV that. ;l112 that is the

ingression he left with me.

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WIr. HA31ILTON-. That they had been approved by the President,that was Dour impression?

Mr. WIARDIAN. Yes, sir.Air. H.-DIILTON'. NONV, did AIr. Liddy mention to you that he, had

shredded any documents ?fair. ALABSIAS-. Yes, in trving to demonstrate to me that there vas

no way of tracing him he told me he had shredded every bit ofevidence that could have linked him to this operation as svell as allof the other operations. He told me he had even gone home—he has ahabit, he told me, or a hobby, I should say, of collecting soap fromthe various hotels. rLaufflhter.]

He had taken the soap wrappers off and shredded all the soapcrappers.

He also told me that during this process he had shredded all of theSILO bil ls that he had in his possession that Severe new andserialized.

Atr. HAzrILvos. Before I move on, have we exhausted the contentsof this meeting to the best of 5 our recollection ?

AL-. 3t~T\5-, Yes, WIr. LaRue reminded me of another, he told us quitea bit that morning, and it may seem comical now. It certainly didn'tseem comical to us at the time. He did make the statement that thecommittee could be assured that he would never talk and if theydoubted that, as WIr. LaRue testified, if we would just tell him whatcorner to stand on he was ready to be assassinated.

tIr. HA31ILTON-. What did you do with this information, AIr.Mardian ?

Mr. WIARDIAN. I Event immediately—as soon as I could netaccess to AIr. 3Iitchell I disclosed to him—I may not have disclosedall of this to him but

Arr. HABrlLTON-. And you think it was the same day that youreported to Wrr. Mitchell ?

NIr. AL\RS7IAN. Yes, my counsel advises me that despite mynotes I net lected to tell you a very important part of another aspect ofwhat he told me.

In explaininffl to me that they were a purely professional outfit, hetold me that WIr. Hunt xvas the planner of the Bay of Pigs. the chiefplanner, as I recall, that he svas extremely popular, I think he said,like a God in the Cuban community of Miami, that this avas anexplanation of why these Cuban-Americans avoid follow him to death,and that no one would disclose an s tying as far as they wereconcerned, they avere absolutely loyal, worked vith him for anumberof years, had been lvorl~ing with them in these operations,that—and I don't avish to bring anybody else into it by implication,but he said that the—one of his friends in the Cuban community andone of the leaders was a particular person, I am not sure, and if I usethe identification I may be identifying the wrong person, because atstaff meetings I heard some of the staff members start mentioningsome names and I am not even sure that the person divas of thecharacter that I described but he lvas extremely vealthy, and I toldWIr. Liddy that I did not thinlt Afr. Mitchell mould approve the use ofcommittee funds to bail out the defendants and he should so adviseWIr. Hunt, and that it seemed to me that if Nk. Hunt had such (roodconnections in the Miami community that they should look to thatcommunity for the bail money.

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Sir. HAMILTON. XVhen you spoke to Mr. Mitchell did you transitthis request for bail money to Sir. Mitchell?

Sir. 3lARDIAN-. Included amont, all of the other matters that Irelated.ZIr. H~~rILTos. More specifically, in regard to the bail money,

what avas 3Ir. Mitchell's reaction?Sir. XL&RDIAN-. Mr. Mitchell told me that under no circumstances

would bail monev be forthcoming, and for me to call Sir. Liddy andtell him. And I did so.

XIr. I<T&~TON. Will you tell us the rest of your conversation withlr. Mitchell? I don't want you to repeat evervthinlr that vou told 3tr.

Liddy, but I would like to know what Mr. Mitchell said to you.Zk. ZL1POL&N-. I can t recall—oh, he asked me if 3Ir. Liddy—I

might saw that AIr. Mitchell appeared to be as sincerely shocked as Iwas when I got this information. He asked me if 3tr. Liddy haddisclosed arty other of the activities of this group that had beenarrested, 3Ir. H;nt and himself, and I told him that he had not, he hadnot disclosed anv others to me.

AIr. B5IILTON-. Did Mr. Mitchell confirm or deny that he hadappro~-ed the budget for Mr. Liddy's operation ?

3Ir. M£\BDLKN. I don't think he did.Mr. H~~rILro>. He made no comment in any way as to whether or

not he had approved the budget ?Mr. MABDINN-. loot at that time. That discussion took place later.Mr. HAMILTON. A discussion on whether he had approved the

budget took place later ?Mr. MABDIAN. Well, the discussion didn't start out in that vein. It

tools place when I confronted 3rr. Magruder. I asked Mr. Magruder inthe presence of Mr. Mitchell, I believe the next day? or as soonthereafter as I could, hoxv much monev he had given 3Ir. Liddy inaddition, I forget the general nature of the entire conversation, I askedhim whether he directed Air. Liddy to Go in there. He denied it. Iasked him how much money he had gix en 3Ir. Liddy. He said he hadauthorized Mr. Sloan to aive Mr. Liddy $t0,000. I asked him what hethought the 840,000 was for. It seemed to me a sizable sum of money.Mr. 3Iitehell expressed the same concern and wanted to know, you I-now, how he could have spent $[0,000 already because the campaignhad just started.

Atr. Magruder l ied to Mr. WIitchell that he had authorizedS~a0,000 and this seemed but a very small part of that sum. That ishow the So50,000 budvet matter came up.

Air. H~~rlLTo~. Ott some occasion durinffl that xveels wasn't therea discussion between Mr. Mat ruder and WIr. Sloan as to the actualamount that had been approved ?

AIr. AtARDLss. I was not—I don't recall being present at thatdisctlssion other than the—it has been testified that I confronted thetwo of them in Mr. AIitehell's present e. that may •-erv well hareoccurred. I don t have a present recollection. Pout after tallyings FaithAIr. Atataruder I then interrogated Mr. Sloan. Mr. Sloan told me thathe had been author ized bv Si r . Magruder to d isburse in theneighborhood of $200.000 which shocked me even further. I asked himif he svas sure of the amount. He said he had not calenlated the exactamount but that it xvas his opinion that it lvas in the neighborhood of82()0,000 that he had alreadv disbursed

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AIr. DASH. A11 rigllt, noxv, Att. Alitehell, where and when did vou firstlearn of the breal;-in of the 1)elnocl atic National CommitteellearlquartelE that tool; I)lace on Tulle 17, 1979 ?

AII-. :\tITCEIELL. lVell~ I xvas in California for the weekend oil anextensive rollll(l of activities and. to the best of mv recollection, Mr.Dash. it Novas OJI Satul dav mol nill(r. I am not sure steno theindividual vvas XVIlO tolel me. AVe mere, I xvas, moving withGovernor Reagan from a hotel to a l)lace rvhele there Eras a series ofpolitical meetings. to the best of ms recollections rvhell I arrivedthele I v-as advised of it. There nvas considerable concern about thematter because I v.-as holding a press conference out there. and Evedid not know what the circumstances were. I believe that by- thattime that they had—AIr. AIcCord, his name had surfaced or Airs.AIcCord had called somebody at the committee about i t , andobviously, tilere xvas an involvement in the Cornmittee To Re-F.lectthe President.

AIr. DASH. Alrhat if anything, did ) ou do, while still in California ?Air. AIITCHEI.L. AN hile in California ? I did a number of thillgS. First

of all, I continued to carry out the schedule that I had there Chiclevvas quite extensive for 2 days. I asked the people, particularly AIr.Atardian who was there, to get as much information about it as hecould. I put out a statement to the effect that, I do not knoxv m-hetllerit event out there or after Eve came back to the effect that Eve didnot understand this, that Al r . AIcCord lvas one of our employees healso had a separate consulting firm, that it vas basically an attemptto carrv on the extensive schedule that I had avhich, of course, is inthe book that vou are avell an-are about and, at the same time, trvinrto get information as to what had happened back in the District ofColumbia.

Fir. DASH. At that time, out in California, did it ever cross yourmind when you read about this that perhaps the giddy plan had beenput in operation ?

AIr. MITCHELL. AVell, that had crossed m;y mind but the platterswere different and, of course, there VfQS a lot of discussion about CI ~and because of the Cuban Americans Xvho mere involved in it. It wasn'tuntil actually later on that it struck hollle to me that this could havebeen the same operation that had a genesis back in the earlierconversation.

Afr. D4SH. XVell then, after you returned from California, and Iunderstand that svas on Jttne 19,1979.

SIr. MITCHELL. Yes, sir, it vfas.AIr. DASH. AVhen and holv were you briefed as to what actually

happened in this matter?WIr. 3lITC1IELL. WlTell, how- lvas I briefed as to what actually

llappened ?hair. DASH. Yes.Mr. MITCHELL. AVell, that is such a broad statement that I

could tell you for the next 6 months I svas being briefed on it.hIr. D aser. I mean, let's take theAIr. AIrTcl-IELL. Excuse me, AIr. Dash, y ou are asking thequestions.AIr. DAser That is all r ight. I think y on lvere al>ollt leacly to give

me a shorter ans ver than a longer ans ver.AIr. AIITcIrELL. AVell I lvas giving you a shorter answer to the fact

that the first so-called briefillg on rv}lat had happened and von usedthe word "actually" vvhicll I xvill have to Olllit flonl that fol the time

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being because I have never quite-got to the bottom of it, lvas a*erArr. WIardian and 3tr. LaRue had met with AIr. Lidelv and AIr.Liddy provided them with quite an extensive Story on AIr. Liddy'sactivities.

AIr. DASH. WNTil1 YOU tell us briefly what that extensive storvincluded ?

WIr. MITCHELL. Yell, it included the fact that he lvas involvedvith other individuals in the Watergate activity, that he ha(l alsomade surveillance of Atc(;overn headquarters, I believe it lvas, andthat he had previously as part of mhat has since become known as thePlumbers Croup, acted extensively in certain areas while he was atthe White House in connection with the Ellsberg matter, in the DitaBeard matter and a few of the other little harems.

hIr. Doses. When you say the Ellsbert, matter what specificalk- areyou referring to 3

Muir. Al1TCEELL M=ell, I am referring to, well, it certainly wasn'tthe prosecution

hIr. DXSEr. NetBIr. Lurch Obviouslv it had to do with the surreptitious entrv of the

doctors office in California.Arr. DASH. And when yoal refer to the Dita Beard matter what

specifically did you learn through Air. LaRue and AIr. 3Iardian?Nor. 3IlTCI[ELL. Alrell, if mv recollection is correct he Eras

assisting in spiritine her out of wherever they spirited her out of, eitherlS'esv York or Washington.

bTr. DASH. A\tas there a meeting in Tour apartment on the eveningthat vou arrived in Alrashinfflton on Tune ID, attended bv fair. LaRue,AIr. ATardian, Atr. Dean. Air. AIagrtlder

3tr. AIITCIIELL. A;laaruder and mvself. that is correct.fir. DASH. Do <,-oli recall the purpose of that meeting. the

discussion that took place there ?Mr. AIITC HELL. I recall that Eve had been traveling all dav and,

of course. lve had very little information about what the current statusxvas of the entla- of the T)emoeratic Rational Committee. and evemet at the apartment to discuss it. Thev xvere. of course clamoring fora response f rom the commit tee l )eca l i se of AIr . Afc(~ord sinvolvement, et cetera, and eve had quite a Ceneral discussion of thesubject matter.

Air. f).tSH. Do you recall alit discussion of the so-called eitherGemstone files or lviretappinzr files that vou had in vour possession?

Atr. AtlTeIIEl.L. No; I had not heard of the (Gemstone files as ofthat meeting and. as of that date. I had not heard that anvlsodv thereat that partictllal meeting linesv of the wiretapping aspects of that orhad anv connection with it.

Atr. DAsir Did either von or anvbodv in vour presence at that meetinffldiscuss Atr. Biddy hnz-infr a (rood fire at his house ?

A[r. AIITCTIErT] Not in mv recollection wvas there anv discussionof destruction of •locuments at that meeting.

W[r. Dvs~r. Lou are alvare of the testimonv of Air. Atagrllder thathe dial get the idea to destroy the documents and he did in fact burn

the gemstone documents?

l\Tl. AtlTr-llEx.n. T am aware of his testimonv and I think histestimOIIV lvas one of these general thinners ;It AVIS den ided that"

or sometllin.r to that eiTeet lout. to mv recollecti¢)ll, there lvas no suchdiscussioll of it.

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I know the individuals I linosv his reactions to things, and I have averv strong feeling that during the period of time in which I xvas inassociation with him and did talk to him on the telephone, that I justdo not believe that he had that information or had that }cnon-le(lOe;otherwise, I thinli the type of conversations Eve had ~voukl has-ebrought it out. - {

Or. DASH. Generally, is it fair to say that much of your opinion thatyou express is based on your fa i th in the Pres .dent and yourJ;;nonvledge of the man, rather than and specific statement thePresident made to you or that

Mr. 3IITCTIELL. WN'ell, I subscribe to the first tlvo. I do have faith inthe President and I do think I have knonvledfre of the man and I dothink there lvere enough discussions in the area, in the general area, tothe point where I think the general subject matter vould has-e comeout if the President had had knoxvleclae.

r sir. DAsEr. Well, now, 3Ir. Mitchell, you did become aware, as vouI have indicated, somewhere around June 21 or 9Q, when VO11 revere

briefed or debriefed by ZIr. LaRue and 3k. 3Iarclian about the solcalled—as you described it, the NVhite House horrors of the Biddyoperation and the break-in. Did you, yourself as the Presidents adviserand counselor, tell the President what thou linew or what you learned?

3Ir. 3IrTcfrELL. No, sir, I did not.fir. DASH. ANthy didn't you ?3Ir. 3tITcirELL. Because I did not believe that it was appropriate

for him to have that tvpe of knonvledge, because I knelv the actionsthat he would take and it would be most detrimental to his politicalcampaign.

bIr. DASH. Could it have been actually helpful or healthy, do youthinls ?

AIr. 31ITCIfELL. That nvas not my opinion at the particular time. He wasnot involved; it wasn't a question of deceiving the public as far asRichard Nixon lvas concerned, and it lvas the other people that lvereinvolved in connection with these activities, both in the A~thiteHouse horrors and the Watergate. I believed at that particular time,and ma) be in retrospect. I lvas wrongs but it occurred to me that thebest thing to do xvas just to keep the lid on throuah the election.

Air. I).\Slf. Then it is your testimony that you in fact dial not say nnxthing to the President at that time

3Ir. 3tITcsIELL. S o. sir, I did not.3fr. DAslr. So whether the President had and knowledge of it, it

certainly couldn't have come from, his lack of lcnolvled(>e orlenolvledte, from ant statement that you made to him?

AIr. 3IvTcilrLL. That is correct, 3Ir. Dash.Sir. DAslf. :\oxv svere vou an-ale of the fact that actuallv prior to

Alagrttder's testimony 3tr. Dean r ehe3rsed 3Ir. 31ayrll(1er for histestilnollv before the brand jurv?

Air. 31lTCTtErL. I do not recall that. 3r~. Dash. if vou are tallvintr aboutthe testirllonv that too's place on the

3rl. I).tslr. In -tilvtSt.

ar.. 3tlTcTtEl lo. Ire -tuntst. the seeoll(l appearanceAtt'. D sST[. Tile see'ollel appeal ltilt'e.

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and as to what the circumstances might be vis-a-vis the incumbentwho svas seeliin~:, reelection.

BIr. TsroztPso>-. Air. Mitchell, let me ask you about another point.Here is an excerpt from the cisil deposition which you gave in theDemocratic Party suit against the Comrnit tee To Re-Elect thePresident and I thinli I am quoting you verbatim in your testimony,when you lvere asked this question: i'lVas there ever any discussion atsviich you svere present or about which J-OU heard when you merecampaign director concerning having anv form of surveillance of theDemocratic National Committee headquarters?"

Your anssver lvas: "No, sir, I can't imagine a less productiveactivity than that."

Is that a correcthIr. WIITCHFrT I think the total context, as I remember itX BIr.

Thompson, had to do with the discussion of 3Ir. McCord and thesecurity group. The answer nvas riven in that context.

Mr. THO3rPSON. But this particular question, Divas there ever anydiscussion at which you were present"—and of course, I assume justfrom reading this question that that svould involve any discussionanth anyone. Are you saying that it is not your understanding of it?

WIr. MlTcHrmr. AIy recollection of the testimony that I gave had todo with the so-called security crroup in the Committee To Re-Elect thePresident •~vhich discussed AIr. AIcCord an(l the security group. Midthe ans-~ver vas in response to that, to mv recollection.

Mr. THO3EPSO?8-. Of course, as it reads, as I have read it, ofcourse, it is not an accurate response ?

WIr. AIITCE1ELL. NO, I say as you read it, but I think if you svilllook at the total context of the questioning it referred to the securitygroup that involved fair. WIcCord which xvas the subject of theconversation.

AIr. TExoxPsoDf. NVere you not asked any other broader questionsabout any knonvled¢~e you might have had of any surveillance activities?

AIr. WIITCEIELrA I vvas asked broader questions with respect to didI ever receive documents that I could identify as comina fromelectronic surveillance anal broad questions lice that.

AIr. THOMPSO:f. DO YOU recall any broader questions concerningconversations that J-OU had ?

WIr. 3trrcHELL. No, sir, I do not.WIr. THOMPSON-. IS it just a case of not havens aslied you the

right qneSt10n ?Air. WIlTCEIELL. I think that that is the case.Arr. T}IO3IPSON-. Let me refer to Jtlne 19 or ~0 I am not qttite sure

when it lvas WIr. Mitchell. -ts I undet-stanel it Alardi in and LaRtledebriefed Liddy and found ottt what he !anesv about the brea3Sin, hisinvolvement, and the involvexllellt of others. and at that time, herelated to them some of the AL'hite House horror stories. I believeTHOU character ized them as, the plumbers activities and so folth. Isvill go back to that in a minutes btlt as I ulldel-stalld voter testinlonvthis norninfr. the linoxvledge you not from that debriefing lvas reallv the reason~vhJ voll in ellect, stood by xvllile Ak. Ataerrlltler xvas pre

arillfr a story rvllich, accot(linXr to What Votl linexv front Lidtlv. •vas,:oint,~to be a false stole to present to the rlallcl jars.

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Mr. MITCHELL. Along, Ak. Thompson, with some of the other stor-ies that Ak. Dean brought fornval-d to him, the Diem papers and thesuspected extracurricular viretappin¢, and a fen- of the others.

WIr. TuozrPsor-. 0K. That caused you to tal;e that position withre rard to Ala<,rruder. And also, I assume that those factors lvere thereasons why you, in eSect, acquiesced, anyway, in the payments tothe families of support money and lawyers' fees and that sort- ofthing, which I am sure you realize could have been pretty ernbarrass-ing, to say the least, if not ille ral, at that time. Should that be cor-rect as far as your motivations are concerned ?

WIr. MrrcHEL& That is a correct summary of my motivation and rationale for the actions that I did take.

Sir. TuozrPso>-. Do you recall the date on vxllich AIr. 3Iardian andAIr. LaRue related this conversation of Liddy's to y ou 9

WIr. Mrrc,zE1L. AVell, he certainly didn t debrief them on the lath,I am sure of that, because they svere in transit. WNrhether it vas the bothor 21st, I am not certain.

WIr. TuozrPso~-. Did they talk to you the same day they tallied tohim?

Mr. MITCHELL. 3Iy recollection is they talLied to me the next day butI am not certain about that, either. But in anv event, it avas in thetime frame of the 21st or 22d, to the best of mv recollection

Mr. THozrPsos. Can you recall in a little more detail vhat they saidthat Liddy had related to them? Yotl have already nlentionecl the factthat Liddy said that Atacrruder had pushed him in the breal<-in at theEllsberg psychiatrists office, I believe, and the Dita Beald situation.

WVhat did Liddy supposedly sav vith reward to the Dita Beard situation? What did he supposedly lcnonv about White House in~-ok-e-ment ?

WIr. MrrcuELL. To the best of my recollection. and, of course, I hareheard these horror stories in different versions from different peopleover the period of the years, the fact that lle xvas either the one orassisted in spiritin r her out of toxvn, I believe m-as the discussion atthat particular time.

Mr. TH03rPso.S-. Did he indicate accordin r to theme that the budgetfor the electronic surveillance operation vllicll led to the brealz-in ofthe DArC had been approved bv the White House?

WIr. MITCHELL. YOU are testing mv memory prettv hard. I am inclined to thinlv that he did say tllat. but this is a—not that he said it,but that WIarclian or LaRue reported to me that lle had said it. But thouare testing my memory prettv hard on a substance of Which I haveheard dozens and dozens of repetitions of it.

AIr. THOMPSON. Did you ever verify any of these facts with thePresident ?

Air. WIITCrT}1L. zrO, sir, I nevel discussed them lvitll the President.Atr. TuottPsos. Did you ever verify any of them xvtih WIr. Halde

nlall ?Arr. AtlTcilTLL. I never discussed those sl)eeitic fattols xvitll Atr.

H:lldelll;ln until a later date. It x-as at that tine that or.. I)eall erasact in r as a liaison betxveetl the AX llite House all(l t he collllllittce Titler esy)ect to these nlatters.

Atr. Tlfoztrso?5-. I)id yoll eves tall; directly ~X-itll l ltrliclllllall assortthese nl:tttcle 2

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22. 3 JOHN MITCHELL 7CESSIMOSY, JULY 10,1973,

4 SSC 1621-2?, 1628) 1643-44? 16601660

it xvas then that Atarclian hit him on the back to buck him up and Idon't vvant to tal;e credit for this statement that lvas reported by me tobe made that when the going vets tollCll the tollCll vet gointr. It lvasSenator Atuskie who had said it just a couple of days before ithappened.

Senator TALA1ADCE. YOU did not make any such statement, isthat correct ?

WIr. ~AIITcTrwrL. I made the statement and I made it in thecontext

Senator TALzrArecE. You did not quote Senator Aluskie as beingthe author thereof ?

For. W:[ITC}IELL. I did indeed in connection with respect to thenature of the tough campaign he had and the one that ve were hasint,.

Senator TALBr.\DGE. Where vou sa~int, that for ZIr. Sloan s benefitat that particular time ?

WIr. ;AIrrcEIELL. I vitas saying it for the total people there whonvere in a hell of a linocl;-down-dra¢-out donnybrook over what theycould not agree on.

Nonv, the sequence is shown bar mv log that after that meeting Mr.Sloan apparently vent back to hIr. Stanst lvho had received theinformation about the Liddv payments the day before, I believe, onJune 93, Atr. Stans called me, and AIr. St. ns came up and saw mealone. There Divas not any Jeb Magruder and there svas not anyWIardian in the meeting that according to Alafflrl lder I askedGuardian to step out so that I could discuss the matter. That would bethe las t th ing in the world I would do oecause Alardian xvasinvestiCatinO the circumstances at the time.

Senator TAL3r~~.E MTas that the first—excuse me.WIr. MITCHELL. I am goinO into this because Atr. Stans' credibility

lvitll respect to his linosvledge of the AA atergate avas quite severelvimpurrned apparentlv more severed in the executive committee meet-ing bv Atafrruder than it xvas later in public testimony

Senator TALzr.-~DcE. ANas that the first time voll had hlonvledgeof the AlTatergate breal;-in, buying that day, that conversation?

AIr. AtlscgELL. C)n the St}l ?Senator T.tL3rADCE. Yes.Ads. AIITCIIELL. NO, mySenator TALarADcE. That nvas the first time vou Revere debriefed

on it, nvas it not ?ATr. AtITcfiIs.LL. No, I had been debriefed, Senator, as I mentioned

a little earlier, either on the olst or 9'd.Senator TAL)r.sDGE. Dial 5 on t et full details of it at that time ?Air. AtITclIELL. It lvas coming from Liddv echo was, as I Event

throtl.rll with AIr. Tholllpson. lvas involving Alafrrnder and said that herot his approval in the Alrhite House and a lot of things thlt—

TSeXIatOr T\LBr\DaE. Did he sav who autllorizell the .z})pro;-al inthe Al~llite Mouse?

51 l-. XIxT(~ril- r.r.. No. ire did not. 5 o, he did not.Senatol 1' VL3r Vn{:E. The Ad hits Louse lvas defitlitelv interested

in the callll);li rn. of eotllse. \vas it not 9ar,. .\rl~¢ ZlE~.f.. Tile (;llllp:lis' ~s-ll:lt,Sell;ltol ?ii;ell.lror I Poor xI)<F . Tile calllll)aifrll forreelection.

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23. Shortly after Hunt's involvement in the Watergate matter

became known, a White House telephone list bearing Howard

Hunt's name and phone extension was recalled and the list was

re-issued,

deleting Hunt.

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(received from CIA) 298

23.1 Statement of CIA employee, January 17,1974

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23.1 CIA FJMPIt)YFXE STATF.MF,~]T, JANUARY 17, 19z4lo J ar:ul J I'll X

Any secretary, ldrs ) 1Cj . and I frequently speculated about the possible involvetnent or Flotvard Hunt boiltne l'ratergat^ affair and the possibl--,c involvement of the Agency. I svae aware that Huat had frequentlytr2nsm tted sealed cnvelop.:s vja our office •G the Agency lye had receipts for these cnvc1o?cs but xvercun2sva.e of the contents. EJoxvever, Mr.

2 C who had temporarily occupied my post during the illness of my predecessor, 9~ / and had been on hand to "breakin" my immediate predecessor, .2 L (~vho held the post for 30 days), had told rne that he had opened one of the pacl-.azesone day to see what Ht:nt svas sending to the Agency. He said that the envelgpe x-was addressed to 4. and appeared tocontain "gossip" information zb out an unknown person--h2 assumed that it had something to do with a psychological _~yBof

that person. Mrs. {? subsequently confirrr.ed tnis informatior<~8< L>jX >zZ;;>q, X~2j=,S;:4 God_ •'~~> ~\t;<gwZ<~,z$~,

. . . .

Shortly after my assignment at the Executive Office Building, a netv telephorrze list xvas issued by the WhiteHouse and it contained Hurt's name. The .Niace.cnata Dews broke and Hunt was irvolved. The White Houserecalled the shone listings without reason and reissued them--~ve noted that Hunt's name had been deleted. As thenews of the Watergate and H-un.ls involvement sD ead, xve--at a date unkn oevn--decided that it xvaswrotprudent nor nece3sary to retain the receipts for envelopes xv'nich sue had transmitted from hirn to CI4, and wedestroyed these receipts.

Earlier this year infrormation appeared in the press svh ch discussed Hurt zr.d psychological studies. Lickingthe above information with these news reports I became comcerned that the Agency might beco.-ne publ.c~~llyinvolved in tnis publicity and that itxvould be an embarrassment which the Ag2ncyr should be aware of andprepared for. I had no knonvIedge of whether or riot Hun' 'nad arranved with lair. Helms or someone else inauthority for i-- do ma}ce psychological studies or whether Hunt had prevailed upon

t- because of some past connection or xvhtethe. or not (ttv2s dqing this officially or "free lance. " ButI felt st-ongl3Fthat the Agency should be aware of this Hunt -- A- connection, in case it did not already known

I called Dr. Schlessinger and said that T had a confidential matter to discuss with hi.-n and visited him one nightabout n:30, (I do not recollect, the tine bu; ' Ir. I fixes it at 2 Cay, ) I said that I was aware of some inforrration thy was

not first hand but which I had verified and that I f^le 1t had implicate which rn g'nt embarass the Agency and thereforehe should be aware of this information so that he could prepare for Public involvement, in case he lvas no' alreadyaware of it. I related what I knew about envelopes from tint to the Agency and specifically about the transmittal of

information to {a arc se~r—.ed surprised and unaware of any such link. He ascend me, "Vfhat shall I do •- i.h $ " Isaid (sornevvhat taken aback at this question) that I ;'nousht he should first tal'.; to 6- and set his side of the story andthat s found it hard to belittle that an individual o. the Agency wtottld become

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23.1 CIM EMPLOYER STATE!E,NT, JANUARY 17, 1974

irvo!w~:d in sorncthinz like th.s without some sLp2roval from h gher av;thorie;^ xvithin the Agency,also, that I \'/25 sure that someone had comp.led the facts about tne Agency's involverr.cnt with Flunt and

tna •'{atcrgatC ar.d that it should be available somewhere ir. the Agency i' he h:&d not 21r22dsr seen it. irese~:rned dismayed and bewildered that something like this cotlld have happened and that he did no;know about it. I repeated that I was sure that it xva, a matter of record sorncxvhere and that it simplymay not hove been brought to his zttentio:z. He thanked met for reporting this information.

The Iolloxving day I had a call from Mr. _2.3 . Dr. Schlessingerls assistant and a former colleague on theDISC staff, asking for a relieve oSvkat I had reported saying that Dr. Schlessinger v as very upset and hidasked hi-n to look into this right away. He wanted to know if I had any more details, Isubsequently7retzlembered another tangent to this subject and stopped in his office t~o}lowing day (whichxvas apt 3 May according to ArJ / timetable) and related it to him. It xvas that Mrs. 1'{ recalled that oneday Flunt had come to see ~,;2 ;Z ,and they had talked behind closed doors.~ Af.er the talk ,<2 ;2 came outand remarked to her t-hat>he xvAs.2mazed, shocked and bewildered by the things that Hunt told him hexvas doing. EIe scratched and shook his head, remarked what an interesting job ESunt had, but revealednone of the details of his conversation. The only specific item he mentioned EVES a film that Hunt was wodines on for educational TV which involved or~e of the Nixon daughters. (I confirmed with MOFS. ^ 19 , thisdate that this is her recollection of this event.) ~23 sala xnat ~,~ report to Dr. Schlessinger vas t'ne firstthat the latter had heard that the Agency Eves in any xv2y involved 2nd that the Agency and Dr.Scklessinger, in particular, owed me a debt o gratitude for coming for-~vard with this information. Iremarked again Gnat } would be surprised if the Agency had not already compiled a report on Buntlsinvo:J'2ment with the Agency because I knew tnat Mr. Hel;ns was probably aware of some of Hunttsactivities and miaht have authorized the use of

6- and that because of his ( ) b) and Schlessinger's nesvsness ore the job they simply had notseen this m3teri21 or had reason to ask for it. He sa d that he intended to find out.

23 subsequently told me that •21 had been interview ed and said that he knew nothing of Hunt'sactivities. I suggested that 2 C be ir.tervietved because not only had he opened at least the one Hunt -G envelope, but he maY have additional information to report frown his personal talks with Hurt .

2 5 told rne sometime later tnaF Schlessinger Novas awarding a medal to General Walters forhis role in the RVatcrsate affair and remarked again that my report had triggered t'ne revelation of

the iceberg. We joked about how the Gerer21s always get the medals!

I do not believe that the subject has come up again until this time.

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24. On June 20, 1972 John Mitchell, the Campaign Director of CRP,

issued a prepared press statement. The statement denied any legal,

moral or ethical accountability on the part of CRP for the break-in

at the DNCheadquarters.

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24. 1 WASHINGTON POST, JUSE 21, 1972, Ad, A9

'0X3rien

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tam~a~En1. CD

Lays BlameFor quint, onWhite House '. .

. By Bob Woodward

Washl=ston Post Stag Wr1ter

Democratic N a t i o n a 1Chairman Lawrence F.O'Brien, apparently seizıngo n t h e b r e a k - s n a n dattempted buaving of partyheadquar te rs here as amajors campaign issue,attempted yesterday to layr e s p o n s i b i l i t y f o r t h eincident at the door of theWhite House.

He said there is "a developingclear line Jo the White House"and cited- what hecalled the 'potenUal involvement"o f s p e c i a l c o u n s e l t o t h ePresident, Charles Colson.

O'Brien made his remarks as theDemocratic National Cornmitteef i led a $1 mil l ion sui t in U.S.District Court here against theCommittee for the Re-Election ofthe President, whose chief securityagent was one of five men arrestedat the break-in 2:30 a.m. Saturday.

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President Nixon's campaignc h a i r r n a n , f o r m e r A t t o r n e y sGeneral John N. hIitcheH, againdeplored the bugaing incident,denied- any party responsibilityfor- i t and cal led the law sui t" a n o t h e r - e c a m p l e o f s h e e rdemagoguery on the part of fir.O'Brien" ~- In other developments yesterday:-

• White House consultant andformer CI.~ employee Howard E.Hunt, whose name was found in

two of the suspects address books,was reported to be a "good Fiendsof the suspects' first attorneyDouglas Caddy.

s Federal sources close to theinvestigation said that a diaaramthat could have been used in apast or future bugging attempt onMiami Beach headquarters ofSen. George S. McGovern wasf o u n d a m o n g t h e s u s p e c t s 'beLongtn7s.

O'Brien thareed that WIitchellattempted to make it appear thattormer CI.R employee James •V.:slcCord Jr, the security agentxvho was ar rested Saturday, hadended his employment with theNixon committee some monthsago

I-!ntil Monday WIcCord xvasthe salaried security chief for

See Blb'G, .A9, CoI. 1

24.1 WASHINGTON POSE', JUXE?1, l9Z2, Ad, As

Bugging Laid to White rouse

BUG, From At. . the cemmlttee,

Mitchell's fkst statement Sunday on McCord'semployment with the commuttee was thatMcCord was employed months ago.

i We know that as of the moment of hisarrest at gunpoint- just lo feet from where Inow stand, Milr. McCord wasin the pay of theCommittees for the Re-elecUon of the President," O'Brien said.

6sIf John Mitcheil's reflex attempt toconceal that fact is any signal of what is tocome f rom the Republ ican Par ty andadministration, I fear we shall be long ingetting at the truth."

O'Brien went on to call the incident a "cheapdoak-anddagger intrigue at the national politicalleveL We learned of this bugging attempt onlybe*. cause it was bungled. How's many otheattempts have therebeen? And just who Divas in 5 . volved?" - ~;~

He said the lawsuit was an attempt to. forcethe. issue into: examination by the court. ADemocratic spokesman said court hearings onthe matter could begin in. <'the near few ture."at - :

"I believe ore are about to witness theultimate test of this administration that se;PioUSb committed itself to a new era of lawand order just four yearsago," O'Brien said., -- .

In a p r e p ar ed statement, Mitchell called';0'Brien'ss suitw a "political stu;nt~". i:. t~dp.\;

"Thus coremitiee did-not-ai; thorize anddoes not condone the alleged actions of the fivemen apprehended Saturday mornmg.; We -abhor Such am tivity. - - go,;: -,-::S--*^t

~The Comenittee-forthe Rue election of thePresident is^not legally:-morally-or-ethicallyago countable. for 'a c t i o n s - taken Withoutits knowedge and ibe yond the-scope of its-control, Mitchell said.-L>-: .-;L it

In yesterday'sXditions, The Post reportedthe.existence of Hunt's nameoin the suspectsaddress books and9xtthat he functioned at theWl ite House as an assistant to Cols,on.-;~

A Vhite: House* aide4'cz firmed thatC o l s o 4 w h o i s s a i d t o h a n d l edelicate~assignments for the President, wasthe man who brought Hunt - to the White House. s ;'

Presidential spokesman Ronald Zieglersaid yesterday morning, "I talked to Mr.Colson after reading The Washington Poststory this morning, anti be made it elear thathe is in no way involved with this matter "

Later Ziegler told reporters that he wasFinished with any comment on the subject"

Federa4-sou~<lose So- the bugginginvestigation said two large ballroomsscheduled to be used as Miami headquartersfo r McGovern dur ing the -Demeaa t i cConvention were diagrammed in another-address book taken by authorities from

ie suspects' belongings.-The rough diagram, a sketch, shows the

Regency and Mediterranean rooms at theDoral Hotel on the Ocean-in MiamL

- - I t a l so deno tes the loca t ion o f twoeTnerrencyhexits from the rooms. The word"May" was wr i t t en - by the d iag ram,apparenUy a- reference to the month, the-60urces said.

Asked about the- diagram yesterday,McGovern's convention coordinator, •-~Owen Donley, confırmed that the rooms havebeen slated for use by McGovern conventionstaff s nce January. ;

Donley said one room would be used bythe news media and the other fer staff ordelegate caucuses.

~If they wanted to bug thetwo rooms, it wouldn't bother

anyone a4vwav Thev are both. .

Public rooms in the hoteL We |wiU hold staff

caucuses there, |but they wiU be mass meet|

ings. There wouldn't he anything said there

that wouldn't be said out on the- stream

Donley said the McGovern campaign

staff-was exploring various antibugging-

methods before the Democratlc-National

headquarters incident.

X "We didn't suddenly become paranoid. Wewere paranoid beforehand. That is just part ofconvention Procedure n Donley said. Heindicated that antibugging precautions wouldbe taken at the Headquarters in Miami.

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Hunt, the White House consultant, has afull-time job in the public relations firm oftobert R Mullen Co., 1700 Pennsylvania Ave.NW, directly across from Nixon's reelection-headquarters and the chief White blouseoffices

Yesterday, Robert E. Bennett, president ofthe Mullen firm, said that Hunt was a "goodfriend" of the suspects' first attorney, Caddy.

Hunt-and Caddy once shared an office atthe Mullen firm, aceording to Bennett. Caddywas not employed there but acted as liaisonwith General Foods Corp. where he wasemployecL - : =

In Superior Court here Saturday when thefive suspects appeared for: arraignment,Caddy was secretive and stayed in thebackgroundL bring ing in another attorney torepresent the five men

Shortly after 3 am. Saturday, Caddy told areporter, he received a call from Barker's wife.ZSbe said that her hus band told her to callme if he hadn't called her by 3 a.m. that itmight mean trouble," Caddy said.

Caddy said he had met Bar ker onee, a yearago, and that they had had ha sympathetic"Conversation

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24.1 WASHINGTON POST, JVNE 21v 1972, Ad, As

Barker, who owns a real 000 bond. The other four were estate firm inMiami, has been being held there on S50,000 acUve In anti-Castro activitiesbond. AIl are charged with atand is reported to have played tempted burglary

8 n d ata role in the Bay of Pigs in- tempted interception of televasion ofCuba in 1961. phone and other communicaIn addition to WIcCord and tion.Barker, the other three sus-Their attorney, Joseph A. pects are: Frank Sturgis,also Rafferty Jr., filed a motion known as Frank Fiorinl an yesterday seekinga reduction American who served in Fidel on the'bond.'- . tCastro's revolutionary army Meanwhile, yesterday'- Sen. and has since beena leader in Bob Dole, head of the Repubthe anti-Castro movement In ScanNational Committee, deMiaml; Virgilio R. Gonzales, a nied as totally falsedeports locksmith; and Eugenio R. Islar-that the Republicans had urgtlnez, areal estate salesman ed Spanish comlnunity leaders for Barker. . 8 r; . and otherRepublicans Pot to McCord was still being held discuss the bugging incidentIn D.C. jail yesterday on $30,- with anyone.

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25. On June 20, 1972 at 6:08 p.m. the President spoke by telephone

with John Mitchell. The President and Mitchell discussed the break-in

at the DNC headquarters. According to a dictabelt recording made by

the President on June 20, 1972 recollecting the events of that day,

Mitchell expressed to the President his regret that he had not kept

better control over the people at CRP.

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25.1 President Nixon daily diary, June 20, 1972,

25.2 President Nixon remarks before Associated PressManaging Editors Association, November 17,19739 Presidential Documents 1345-46 ~

25.3 Dictabelt recording of President Nixon's recol lections of events of June 20, 1972, and HouseJudiciary Committee transcript thereof 310

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25.1 PRF,SIDEXT NIXON DAIlY DIRELY JUNE 20, 19?2, EXHIBIT 13,IS RE CS.7D JURY, MISC. d /-73, 1-R

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ACTIVITY

The President went to the Oval Office.

The President met with his Deputy Assistant, AlexanderP. Butterfield.

The President went to his office in the EOB.

The President met with his Assistant, John D. ~hrlichm3n.

The President talked with his Deputy Assistant, Edward L.Morgan.

The President met with his Assistant, H. R. Haldeman.

The President talked with his daughter, Tricia.

The President telephoned Senator Margaret ChaseSmith (R-Maine). The call was not completed.

The President talked with Senator Smith.

The President met with his Deputy Assistant, Map.Gen. Alexander M. Haig, Jr.

The President talked with Senate Minority Leader HughScott (R-Pennsylvania).

The President talked long distance with JosephTrerotola, ice provident of the InternationalBrotherhood of Teamsters, in New York City.

The President talked with his Counsel, Clark MacGregor.

The President talked with his Special Counsel, Charles W.Colson.

The President met with Mr. Colson.

The President telephoned Staff Assistant Stephen B. Bull. a

President talked with Beverly J. Kaye, DIr. Bull'ssecretary.

The President talked with his Special Assistant, Patrick J.Buchanan.

The President met with fir.Haldeman.

The President went to the Barber Shop.

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25.1 PRESIDENT .VIXOX DAILY DIARY, JULES 20, 1972, F.XHIBZ 13IIV RE GMAD JURY, MISC. 47-73, 1-2 _

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The President met with Mr. Butterfield.


The President talked with John N. Mitchell, Campaign Director

for the Committee for the Reelection of the President.

The President and the First Lady had dinner in the Yellow

Oval Room.

The President returned to his office in the EnB.

The President talked with Mr. Halderwan.


The President talked with Mr. Haldentan.



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25.2 PRESIDENT NIXON REMRB, XOF.,XER 1Z, 19739 PRF,SIDE.UTIAL DOCUMENTS 1345-46

Administration ofRichard JVixon

PRESIDENTIAL DOCIJMENTS

Week Eluding Saturday, November 24, 1973

Upper Great LakesRegionalC. .

Ommlsslon

Announcement of Intention To NominateRaymond C. Anderson To Be Federal Cochcrfrman.November IG, 1973

The President today announced his intention to nominate Raymond C. Anderson, of Maple city,

Mich., to be Federal Cochairman of the Upper Great Lakes Regional Commission. He will succeed

Thomas F. Schweigert, who became Alternate Federal Member of the Delas are River Bashl Commission

on September 6, 1973.

From 1969 to 1971, Mr. Anderson served as executive assistant to Michigan Gov. William G.

Milliken. He has been retired since 1971 and was also retired from 1964 to 1969. From 1959 to 1964, he

served as administrative assistant to then-Congressman Robert P. Griffin, from 19Us2 to 1959, he evas

administrative assistant to Senator Charles E. Potter of Michigan, and he •vas administrative svssiSlallt to

Congressman Roy 0. Woodruff of Michigan from 1937 to 1944 and from 1946 to 1952.

He •vas born on Larch 5, 1912, in Grand Rapids, Alich. Mr. Anderson was graduated from Grand

Rapids Junior College in 1932. From 1944 to 1946, he served as an officer in the U.S. Navy.

NOTE: The announcement was released at Key Biscayne, Fla.

Flated Press ManagingEclitors Association

The President's Remarks itt a Question-and-Atuwa I Session at the Association's Annual Convention tn Orlando, Florida. November l7, 1973

Tins PRESIDENT. President Quinn and Indies and gentlemen:

Volume Y—Number 47

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When Jack Horner ,1 who has been a correspondent in Washington and other places around the worlds

retired after 40 years, he once told me that if I thought that the NVhite House Press Corps answered

(asked)-tough questions, he (I) should hear the kind of questions the managing editors asked him.

Consequently, I welcome this opportunity tonight to meet with the managing editors of the Nation's

newspapers.

r will not have an opening statement because I know, with 400 of you, it will be hard to get through

all of the questions you have, and I understand the President has a prerogative of asking the first question.

Stir. Quinn [John C. Quinn, Gannett Newspapers, and president, Associated Press Managing Editors

Association]

WATERGATE AND THE FUTURE

Q. NIr. President, this morning, Governor Askew of Florida addressed this group and recalled the

words of Benjamin Franklin. \\'hen leaving the Constitutional Convention he was asked, "NVhat have you

given us, sir, a monarch or a republic?" Franklin answered, "A republic, sir, if you can keep it."

SIr. President, in the prevailing pessimism of the lingering matter we call Watergate, can sve keep

that republic, sir, and hosv?

T1SE PRESIDENT. •Vell, lVIr. Quinn, I would certainly not be standing here answering these questions unless I had a firm

belief that xve could keep the republic, that xve must keep it, not only for ourselves, but for the whole

world. I recognize that because of mistakes that were made, and I must take responsibility for those

mistakes, • hether in the campaign or during the course of an administration, that there are those •vho •

onder whether this republic can survive. But I also know that the hopes of the whole world for peace, not

only now. but in the years to come, rests in the United States of Amel ica. And I can assure You that as long

as I am physically able to handle the position to which I XV;IS elected, and then reelected last November,

X Garrett D. (Jack} Corner ^sas a reporter with the •~'ashineton Star rr~52n 19'§7 until his retirement in Noxelllber 190;. Since 1954 he teas

•Vhite Howlse correspolodellt for that nez paper.

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I .ml going to work for the Cause of peal e he the ssorl(l,for the cause of prosperity without star and ~zitholltinvasion at home, and also to the best of my anility torestore < ol~f idence hl the White House and hl thePresident himself It is a big job, but I think it can he done,and I intend to do in

PRESIDENTIAL TAPES

Q. Afr. President, I am George Giil of the I.ouisnilleCourier-JourTlal. RN'ould you please tell us, sir, whell didyou personally discover that tzvo of the nine subpoenaedWhi te House tapes d id no t ex i s t , and why d id youapparcntly delay for a matter of weeks disclosing thismatter to the Federal court and to the public?

THE PREsrDENT. NVell, the first time that the fact thatthere were no recordings of the two conversations to whichyou referred—that they did not exis t—came to myattention on approximately September 29 or September 30.

At that time, I was informed only that they might notexist because a search was not made, because seven of thenine recordings requested did exist, and my secretary,l i s tening to them for me and making notes for me,proceeded to go through those seven tapes.

I should point out, incidentally, that the two which didnot exist, in which there •vere no tape recordings of theconversations, were not ones that were requested by theSenate comn ittee, and consequently, we felt that weshould go forward with the ones that were requested by boththe Senate committee and the others.

When we finally determined that they could not be inexistence was on October 26 of this year. And we learned itthen when I directed the White House Counsel, Dvlr.Buzhardt, to question the Secret Service operatives as towhat had happened to make sure that there might not be apossibility, due to the fact that the mechanism was notoperating properly, that eve might find them in some otherplace.

He questioned them for 2 days and reported on the 27ththat he could not find them. He then, having had a datemade and he asked for the date sooner with Judge Sirica,he asked for a date on Thursday, you may recall I pointedthat out in my press conference on the 2fith—Judge Siricasaw hhn on Tuesday in camera. The 'White House Counselreported to Judge Sirica that the two tapes did not exist andgave him the reasons for it.

the judge decided, and I think quite properly, that thereasons for the tape not existhlg should be made pul.lic andthose involved ss jth access to the tapes and those xshooperated the machines should be questioned so that the rewould be no question of the \\'hite House, somehndy aroundthe President, or even the President hinlself, h.lvingdestroyed evidence that was important eVCIl though theSenate committee h.ld not, as I hare already pexhlted out,sul)l)oellaed either of these hvo tapes. Anti shl(c ate arcon this subject, and I do not W.lllt to 1)(

PRESIDENTIAL DOCUMENTS: RICHARD NIXON, 1973

taking all of the thne on it l x(cpt that 1 know there isgoing to be enormous hltcr(st hl it, not onls among this.alldienee here, but among ollr television Piercers, let mepoint this out.

I have done everything that I possibly can to provide theevidence that •.ould have cxisted had sse found the

tapes:First, with regard to the tape of June 20, as yotl may

recall, it was a 5-minute telephone conversation with theformer Attorney General, John Mitchell, ~vho had just leftas campaign manager or (VLXS planning to lease ascampaign manager at that time.

I hase a practice of keeping a personal diary—I canassure you not every dav. Sometimes Lou are too tired at

the end of a day to either make notes or dictate it into adictabelt.

On that particular day I happened to hare dictated adictabelt, and on the dictabelt for June 20, which I found, Ifound that I had referred to the conversation to JohnMitchell, and I think it is fair to disclose to this audiencewhat was there because it will be disclosed to the court. Ithas already been offered to the court and eventually Iassume will be made public.

It said, first. that I called John Mitchell to cheer him up because I knelv he svas

terribly disheartened by what had happened in the so-called Watergate matter.

Second. he expressed chagrin to me that the organization over which he had control

could have gotten out of hand in this way. That was what was on that tape.

Now, turning to the one on April 15, I thought I might has e a dictabelt of that

conversation as well.

Let me tell you first why the telephone conversation was not recorded. not

because of anv deliberate attempt to keep the recording from the pubiic, hut because

the only telephones in the residence of the White House which are recorded—the

only tclephone, there is only one, is the one that is in the office, the little l.incohl

Sitting Room right off the Lincoln Bedroom. The call I made to John NIitchell was

made at the end of the day at about 6:30 just before going into dinner from the family

quarters, and no telephones in the family quarters ever z ere recorded. That is w hv

the recording did not exist.

Turtling to April 15, the conversation referred to there was at the end of the

process in which WIr. Dean came in to tell me what he had told the tJ.S attorneys that

day. Hc sanv me at 9 o'clock at night, Sunda! night. There should have beets a

recording. Ex crybody thought there probably at as a recording The reason there svas

not a recol-dillg is that thc tapc machines over the weekend onl! can carry 6 hours of

con~-rrsation, and llsuallv that is more tllall enough. hecallsc I .lo not use the I OB of

Ece. that is, the l.xecutis-c Office Building office rather than the 0X.w1 Oflicc, over

the •~eekelld to that extent.

But that ~s-eek~~nd I zvas hl the EOB for a long conscrsation X ith T)r

lkisshlger on foreign poli,-v matters I s .XR there for 9 other hoarse or 9 00 3 other

flouts, and the tape

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25.3 TRANSCRIPT OF PRESIDENT NIXON'S JUNE 20, 1972 RS?COl~lECTIONS

TRANSCRIPT PREPARED BY THE IDLPEACE EN'TINQUIP-E STAFF FOR THE HOUSE JUDICIARYCOMMITTEE OF SX DICTABELT RECORDING BY THEPRESIDENT OF TIIS RECOLLECTIONS OF A TELEPHONECONVERSATION WITH JOHN MITCHELL ON JUNE 20,1972.

PRESIDENT: Paragraph. I also talked to John Mitchell in -- late in

the day and tried to cheer him up a bit. He is terribly

chagrined that, uh, the activities of anybody attached

to his committee should, uh, have, uh, been handled in

such a manner, and he said that he only regretted that

he had not policed all the people more effectively on a

- in has own organization --

[42 second silence]

[ unintelligible]

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26. On June 21, 1972 shortly after 9:35 a.m. John Ehrlichman told

Acting FBI Director Gray that John Dean would be handling an inquiry

into Watergate for the White House and that Gray should call Dean

and work closely with him. Gray told Ehrlichman that the FBI was

handling the case as a "major special with all of our normal

procedures in effect." At 10:00 a.m. Gray telephoned Dean and

arranged to meet Dean at 11:30 a.m. in Gray's office. At the meeting

they discussed the sensitivity of the investigation, and Dean told Gray

that Dean would sit in on FBI interviews of White House staff

members in his ^ff4cia1 canaeitv as enunse1 to the President.

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the time available and I do not believe the comnlittee expects me to launch into such a revie v. Nevertheless.upon the COIlCIUSiOII of m) statement, I stand ready to anssver ans questions lvhicil the comn ittee orcounsel mav desire to ask about any aspect of my sten-ardsllip of the FBI.

I do have. AIr. Chairmans a few preliminary remarks lvhicll precede my discussion of the areas believed tobe of I)rime interest to the committee.

I novas appointed Acting Director of the FBI bV .^\tterney General Iileindienst on Allay 3* 19 s i. I lookedupon this appointment as a return to the service of my country similar to that •-hich I lead rendered in the 11.S.Navy for <)6 vears. I looked folavard then to manv years of acldit.ional service to the country in the companyof the honorable and dedicated men and women of the FBI.

On AIay 16, 1972, ma personal staff and I moved into the offices formerlv occupied by the late J. EderarHooves; 1 month later, on June IT, 19~s a, the bure,larv of the headquarters of the Democratic NationalCommittee in the AVatert ate Hotel occurred.

At the outset, 3Ir. Chail man, I •vant to acknov.-led~.e that I am fullv~ totally and completely responsiblefor the performance of dutv of mvself and of the men and women of the FBI during the year that I served astheir toting Director. Thev. of course. are not in any vsa~responsible for my performance of ciutv or for anVpersonal acts or jucl^~ments of mine which occurred clurinlr the period I served as tetmg Directol.

THE CIA DI31EN-SION-

At the time of the Alratergate break-in I vvas on the west coast visiting FBI field offices and meeting a

commitment to make a commencement address at Pepperdine University Lace School ill Santa Xna. I I returned to

Washington on the evening of Julie ()0 and received a I phone call from John Ehrlicllmall the next mottling. 3Ir.

Ehllichm&n I informed me that John Dean would be handlint an inquiry into Watergate for the AArhite House, that I

should deal directly with John Dean concerning the investigation and that AIr. I)ean lvas expecting a call from me.

Atr. Ehrlichman anal I then discussed the matter of procedural safeguards against leaks and I told him that sve mere

handling this ease as a major special with all of our normal procedures in effect. I also indicated to him that eve mere

Joiner to conduct an aggressive and l'itrOl'OtlS investigation and lvould probably be interxievving people at the

AVhite House.

I called AIr. Dean upon my return to my own office at 10 a.m., and arranged to meet with him at 11.30 a.m.,in my office on June 21,19f'2. At our meeting he discussed with me the sensitivitv of the investigation and theneed to avoid leaks in a political year. He also informed me that he had the responsibility to handle this inquiryfor the White House and would sit ill on any interlielvs of White Louse staff personnel. WIT. Dean stated thathe svould be these in his official capacitv ,s counsel to the President.

I know that I specificallv asked Air. Dean on two occasions if he would be making lliS reports direct to thePresident. I belies e that this lvas one of those occasions and I believe that the other occurred svhell

eve •vere discussing the transmission of FBI file material to him to

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26. 3 JOHX DEAX TESTIMONY, JUXE 25, 1973, 3 SSC 942

942

F2ST ~~E=XGS wI~ Ak. GLAY REG.~RDIN-C THE Is-zzsuc.vnos-

' I believe that it vas on June 21 that I first met lvith Grav in his

offiee in the late morning rebarding the F13I's investiSation. -tt thatmeeting he told me lla full~- reali%ed the sensitive natule of tlle investi-gation the,y xvere pursuing and that lle llad placed his IllOSt trustedsenior people in charge of tlle inl-estigation. I- told Gra) that I lladbeen asked to be kept informed about tlle investifration. Atr. Gravtold me that he hacl been visiting a nunul)el ot refrional ollice- anclwould be doina so in the future. Thus. if I needed~an) informationI should call Alr. 31ark Felt in his absence. I might note at this pOilltthat indeed Gray xvas frequentl) absent from the cit~- durint, thc courseof the investigation and this irritated Ehrlichman greatl) m-llen lleasked me to get information from Gray and Gra,~- xvas out of the citv.On several occasions, in fact, Ehrlichman instructed me to tell Gravto return to the city and mind the store. I passed this messaqe to Gra~,but I cannot recail vvhat prompted Ehrlichman to hare me do so at_this time.

During m,y meeting svith Gral on Jtme 91 he nlso told me a man by the name of BIr. Bates svas headin;r

the investieation. I do not linosv Mr. Bates, and avhen I reported thiS baclc to Ehrlichman and he asked me

xvho Bates avas, I told him I did not lznoxv Bates. I can recall 011 several oecasions Ehrlichman askina me if

I thought that Grav lines svhat he lvas doin^, and if he had the investiaation under eontrol. I responded that he

seemed to be relvint on mcn in ~vhom he had full trllst.

To the best of my recollection, it avas durin~r t}liS June '1 meetinr, avith Gray that he informed me that

the FBI had uncorered a number of major banking transactions that had transpired in the aeeount of one of the

arrested C!ubans—AIr. Thatl;er. He informed me tllat t}lev had traced a wa,OOO check to a 31r. I(enneth

Dalllberfr and four eheelvs totalin~ tS9,00() to a bank in ATexieo citv.

I do not reeall svhetller I first learned about the Dahlberv eheck from NIr. Grav or lvhether I learned about

it in a meetiny in BIitcllell's office by reason of the fact that the FBI sras tryinC to eontact ;\rr. Dahlberg

about tlle matter nnd Dnhlberc had ealled Arr. S;tans. -tt any rate, the faet tllat the FBI svaS investiyntinF

these matters avas ofutmostconcerntoAIr.Stanssvhenhelealned OtCit.stans vasconcerned abont tlle nalulbel.r

cheel~. T n-ns informe(l. heeallse it vs-as ill faet n contribution from Arr. Dsvavne -tndreas, arhom I did not

knosv, but I lvas told lvas n lonqtime bael;er of tSenator Hllbert ITnmr)hrev. Neitller stans nor Zritehell

xvanted Afr. .-&nclreas to be embarrnsse(l bv disclosnre of tlle contribtltion. The concern abollt tlle Ates-iean

manev avaS made a little less clear to me. I waS told it lvaS a eontril)lltioll from a fflronp of Texans avho

had llsed an intermediarv in A[exieo to mal;e the contribution. VItholl rh I hnd llOt been told, I assllmetl nt tll

{t time that thev xvere eoneer~~eel heeallse it sonn(le(l tt) me as if it mi!=llt have been a eory)ornte eontl

iblltioll nnd elearlv n violatioll of tlle lnlv.

Afr. Stans also exnlained tllat he hnsl elleelsecl rvith tRtoan tZ) fillfl ont hon- this monev llad endecl llnill arl . TRarl,-el'sballlv aeeollllt and Slonn repol ted that lle llad fTiven tlle elleel^-s to T,isklv nnd reallestedtllat he ensh tllem: T-lc snid he hnd no idea lloxv T,ielflV llatl easlled t11enl, h~tt

sllrmise~l that he llad ol)viollsl! nse(l 13;1l1;el to easll tllenl. I xvaS also

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27. On or about June 22, 1972 John Ehrlichman met with John

Dean and discussed the contents of Howard Hunt's safe and what todo

with certain politically sensitive documents.

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27.3 John Ehrlichman testimony, 7 SSC 2824-26.-----^--323

27.4 Portion of John Dean notes for Camp David report,SSC Exhibit No. 34-43, 3 SSC 1290 3 6

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27. 1 JOHN DEAN TF.SSIMOIVY, JUNE 25, 1973, 3 SSC 937-38

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M9Xen Pctersen arlis-od at Iileindienst's oice he ra+-c a'status report of the investiFation. Itleinelienst then

related ml concern tn Petelsell. I'etersen n-as tronbled b;- thc case and tllc imp]ieatiolls of it. Itleinclienst had

another aneetin r, co Petersen ancl I—I beliel-c the other meetinfr lvas in his ofElce. so l~etersen an(l I v:ent

into Afr. I~leincliellst's baclc oflice an(l tallued fulther. To tllC best of m) recollection. v;c clid not discllss

specifics, rntller it n-as a rcneral di-cussion.

I told him I llacl no idea lvhele this thinfr mifrllt clld, but I told him I clid not think the Mthite fIonse conldlvitlistand a widc-open :inw-estigation. The snm and substance of our conversation rras that I ha(l 110 iclea hovwfar this matter miyllt ros bttt I had reason—XVitllOt;t beiner specific—to susl,eet the ~rorst. The ireetinrr cndedon tllat note, that I hoped I was svronrt.

I f1O not recall ew-er ret~ortin<T this meetinfr to Shrlic71man. because he had a semevihat strained

relationship aritlu Itleindien t and I thou,:,'nt he vould raise havoc that I did not havc an assurance from

Itleindien.st that he lvould take care of e~-er~-thin~. I disl report. holvever, that I felt Petersen lvould handle thi3

matter fairls- and not parsue a lvide-open incluirv into e~-ertthinc the AShite EIotlse Izad l)een doiner for 4 vears.

I made this statement not because of anvthinr Petcrsen specificalls- said, as much as the impression he ras-e me

that lle realized the r)roblems of a vide-open inves.i(ration of tlle MNlite TIouse in an election vear.

Returninc noTv to the contents of Atr. Hnnt's safe. it mas mid-morning on Tuesda~-, ,June °G,^ when the GS~-

men brou<Tllt se~-eral cartons to ma office, lvhich contained the contents of Hunt's safe. I ha(l learned earlier

that mornin~:, from Fieldin~~ that the boxes had been secured in Kehrl i's office os-elTlitoht. Fiel din ct also

rey)orted that the~- h ad fonnd a hand.rlln ill the safe,~vvhich Itehrli llad clisell rafrecl. a larrre hriefease

containing electronic e(luipment, and a number of documents, some of ~vhich lvere classified. I told Fieldinfr I

would lilxc his assistance latcr that dav in Soiny throufrh the material.

Dllriny the afternoon of the 9()tll. Fieldinfr ancl I l)efran goina t1lroufrh the cartons of iTIlnt's materials. Ireniember loolsin~ in the briefease, lrhich contained eleetronic equipment. I franl;ls do not. I;nolv n-hat it lvas itcontained, btlt it contained loo-e n-ires, chapsticks for your lips nith nires cominz out of them nnd instrllstionslleets for lvalkie-tallsies. ts I reeall. there svcre also some nntennas in there.

lFe then l)efran sortin(t the documellts. The bulk of the pal~ers xrereclassified cal les fronl tlle S;tate Der)artment relatiny to the earlv vears of them-nr in ltietnam. These ~rere separatecl out from the rest of the papers. Theother ~~al)ers I assllrned related to Hunt's ~rorld at tlle Mthito House. ^tlso,tllere ^~erc peleonal I)ape2s. I xvill attemI)t, to tlle best of mv recollection. toclesclil)e tlle leapers ancl doellnlents that xvere folnlel in the safe. I mllstpoint ont. hon-erer, tllat I Tzersonallx di(l not 3Ool; at all tlle Aoellments.latllel it lvas a colnlwinecl etlol-t 1s;Fieklinrr and m+-sel f to cleternline ~E-lwat r~-as in Hlult s safe.

First anlon t his ~)erson:ll r)alrers xvele eol)ies of llis sitl~missiolls for llis S?crllieln linv as a cotlstlltarlt a fexv tras-el .X-onehers. atlcl an ens-eloS)ecolltaininft matelials of a l)ersonall noltllrc rtlaltillfr to llis wxife.

Vmoll~~ tlte t);llxers tltat I ascullled rz late~l to llis +X-orlN at tllc Al'llitcltOtlSe XVele lIIIIIIt'I'OIIS IllelilOI-;ltlUlilillS to Cllpe\' rOIS(lil lte'ral-(lilltt

lTullt's assxssmeslt of tlle l)lllnwErers nnit o~)eratioll and critical of BIr

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lvrofrll's handlil~~, of mattcrs; a ntlnl'l)er of materials reltatinfr to BIr. I:)aniel l,llsbet¢, sLlch as nesss

Cli't.l)ill,'rS and a psscilolo,,icnl stud) of l4'llsSert, ~q.Iliell ati)palentl) had iJeen l tepared bV sonleorle ~vho

had never acttlallv met •21- tall~-ed 10 itll Sk. l jlls'oerfr; a l)or,us cta!)le—that is, other cables spliced to<

~ether into onc calJle le<tardil!<~ tl!C invol~-enlent of f)ersons ill the lieilnedv adrninistration in the I'all of the

Diem rc^,ime irs \'ietnam: a menolandulll re~~ardinysonle discu-sion abollt thc bo,,us cable xvith Co!;;on and

SIr. A\rilliam ıJambert; sorr.e materi tls relatin: to aII invest i:,a.ion ITttnt had con(luctecl i'or Co '-on a t

ChaI)pafluidicl;1 sor.le matelials relatinrr to '.lle Pentaaon Palizers and a paperbaclX b501o contaillinU, the

pltblislled Pentavon Papers.

t'ıpo:n exanlLnilly the contentS of t}lC safe. I recall that Fielelinfr and I cliscussed our concelm. about thepul)lic imp.act some of tllese ctocumcats .mi:,rl-~c has-e if tllev became pn'blic, p Lr.iculal13- in an electioll

• Jear. T re(nlested that Fieldin,, remose the t)oliticall~- sensiti~-e docu-

me,l.s frol::l the ot'hers. v>-hic'h he ditl. The classified State Deplrtmentcateles xvere too bull<) for mv 0\\'11 safe, so I callecl David \-OLU1~ andreqt estecl that he store them for me i.l }liS office, as I assllmed at bhattime th.lso chev lvoulcl probabl,- be retllrned to the state Departnlent.I told Youn(7 svhen he carne to picls llp the materials that thev hadco~tne from Ttallt's s:lfc anci he shoulcl storc them—all toD7ether—•mcilI told him ~vhat to do with thern. Xccorclin'71T-, Atr. \~oun~ took thestate Dcpa tment doctllnents to his ofFice. The larcre briefease m-asstored in a loc';ecl closet in ms oilce suite, and tlle politicall!- sellsitivedocuments and Hnnt's personal l)apers :vere placed in a satc in myofStce~ The remaillinC7 materials svere left in the cartons on the floor inm~~ ofElce.

I subsequentl~- met v~-itll lChrlichman to inform hilll of thc contents of Hunt's safe. I ~,ave him a desetiption

of the electronic eelltipntent and tol(l him abollt the bo^,lls ca'ole, thc Materials relatin(T to ILlls'oer<, and the

other politicall~- sensitive docunlents. I remembez svell lliS instructions: rre told me to shred the docurtlents

ancl deep six'' the bl iefcase. I as~ked him vllat he meant b5- "cleep sis." He leaned bac'; in his chair an(l said:

"Yotl drire across thc river 011 yotlr svav home at lliC}lt—don't ~ou?'' I said, :,es. He said, 'ill~ell. ~s-llell vou

cross over

, the brid,Ce on lotlr o-av home, jllst toss thc briefease into the river."

I felt •-ery much on the spot, so I told him in a jokinfr manner thatI lvoulcl l)rln,ffY the materials os-er to him and he c.~uld ta!~e carc ofthem because he also crossed the river on his lva~* home :lt nith.. TIasaid. no thanli 7-Otl. and I left his o.~lce and rettlrtled to mv offlce.

.&fter leaviny F,ilichnlan's offlce I tllotlyh. abo:~t svllat he had toldmc to do and sv.~s • ety trollblecl. I raised it xvith IFieldinx and hes}lared m) feelintYs tllat tllis svotlkl l)e aTI incretlil)le p.CtiOII tt) cle-trov lrotential el idence. I tllinl; Arr.FtirklinrY al?pl eci;ltecl mv t-lllanc~.;xrs~—ıv'nen rlll licllman silid c'to sometllill~. lle e~;pecte(l it to lhe(lone. I clecidecl to thinl; it o~-cr. I slicl tal;e tlle 1s1 iefease Ollt of nls- of hec l)ecallse tlle claset tllat it masbeir.~ storecl in was used bV the secre,arieS ill t'he or.-.ce and I ~dicl zlot h:lle an availal>1e safe to il()l(l thelarte lwriefease. I w-as also aitinfesewiollsconsiderationtoF,hrlichtman'sinarrtlctiorts. -tccotclin>YI~-. I placecltl~e 'urief(ase ill tlle trunl; 0F lllV C:11-, xrl)exe it l-elllftined 1lturil I retllrn^Xl it to tlle ofice nfter I ha(lreaclletl a clecisioll that I •ollld not follolv E.hrlicllm;all's inctllletiorls T xvill exlll:lill ill :1 fe~W- Inirtltte9 hon-I llan(11ecl tlle nl tterial in Ilant's sa fe, I)ut. I)eforc clointY so, I ~.votlld li};{} to onlltinlle n ith tlle se(lnellceof events.

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27. 2 JOHN EHP,LICHZ4S TESTII6NY, Jl]LY 25, 1973, 6 SSC 2612-142612

5t1. I2lrRLlcllaraz-. I tal;e it, .Senator, ansl herc I am specltlatin r, ralllXlv sl)(~cltl;ltinfr. If erc's an episotle EVitil :\lr. Arc('otKd, svllich

cornes ;ut thtollfrll AIr. trcCeId })acl; throllarh (:atllfileld to nean. No~X. ho-,v does .Jollll l)e.lll jllStifV havil~>r sellt tt1-. Caltlfielcl to tall;

to .ATe:Cold? 1. doll't liltoxv svhetllet th.lt iS tile e.xpl.lnation or llOt. I)llt it certainlv XV,IS sufr^,ested tv me as I xvatched tt1f. Dean at this

ta'ule spillninO this tale.

Senator G~NEY. Let us ,_o to another area sv'nich involveal you and ATr. Dean and that is the paperts that svere tal;en from TIunt's safe

after it lvaa openecl bs Deatl's peol)le. Fiome of thtsse l)al~ex>, as VOII lsnoxv, svere verv sensitive. Siome xvele contained in :L btiefea-e of

!~Ir. HIttlt~S. The testimonst, of course. here is that Dean 11acl a convers ttion m-it}l )'OU alsjut rhis and sou made some su(=~restions

abollt disposinCr of the papers that xvere in the briefcase. ALV recollection is that vou advised !>k. Dean to deep-sis these papera. AN-ould

~oll care to teli us al)out th;s Tr.eetint,?

Ak. EHru IOFDS\5-. That wns a meeting, if I heard the testimonv correctlv. v;~llich svas also attended bv other people and should be

suscep~F;1Dle ot determination from independent n-itnesses. To correct an assumptvon in ^-our question. Senator. I did not l;nonv the

contents of Arr. H.lnt s _afe escept in the most aeneral terms. I sras told, and I can't sa;- mno told me—probably ALr. Dean—that there lvas a

pistol nnd a tape recorder and a number of documents, some of svhich had llothing . to do lvith AT atertate but nve.e verv pol;ricall,>-

sensitis-e. Nonv, that lvaS the ~.eneral description. I had no oecasion to loolo at them,-I never sa~v tllem escept as a fenv of them vvere

sealed in an envelope and handed to Pat Grav.

The convetsation has to he wei(rhed, the probabilitv of stlch a COIIversation svhere I said. run out and throxv this in the river, llas to l)e

veighed at,ainst xvhat I actually did. xvhich I think the witnesses xvho vere in the meetinU, on the 19th svill tell ~-ou that I did.

We had had a meeting for tnvo purposes on the 19th, which includedATr. Colson, Atr. Isellrli, staff seeretarV. and Iten Clanrson on the AN~hite House staff. The meetinC svas for, as I saV, two purposeS one,to trv to determine xvhat the facts xvere al)out fIosvard Hunt's emplovment status, svhich was verV murk) at that point in time, because ofsome acl; of.documents or Dome confusion of documents, antl thincrs of that sort.

The other purpose vas to talk about ~rhat to do abotlt this sa fe lvhichhad been found on the premises, and apparentlv had tllinys in it that related to Honvard Hunt7 vllo was then, if not arıested, at least n primesuspect.

The instructions +shich we a(>reed upon at that meetin(r xvele that anumber of people shoulcl be }~resent nt the openincr of tl nt safe. We l;nelv xve had to have somethinyfrom the GS-t because thev had to open the safe. But in addition to that.I specifiecl to 2\fr. Ixehrli. hein. present, that AIr. Dean be present and talie eustoclv. Then I tilill}E Atr. ZehrliStl~t ested that a Secret Sers-ice atrent be ptesent vlnder the circumstances, because we lverc brealsin~T into a safe in thc AVllite House.

Knd that lvas the arran~ement tllat xvas ngreed upon xvhen •ve b~n'^c11T> on the lSth.

ar} l)nrpose ill cloinZr that avas tn-ofolcl. One. this ~X-ns a kind of

extraordinar) I)rocedllre and I tlaonFllt therc ongllt to be l)eople xvho

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cottld} orle, latel on tell lV]l'tt ha(l hapr>enefl; txvo, I xtvas concerned slbout tlle cllsto(lv of tllese cloctlnlellts. tllP chain of eviclencc. the

perfectibilit) of l)roof it' the tim2 came alld tllere ~\-etv (loctLmPntJ ill tnere that bore on arl . I {llnt's liabilitv.

So tllat xvas dolle, ancl it mab done, I believe, tllat same da,> or that es-enin~.

Senator G~N'E1-. Yes.

WIr. EltRLICitAr.t5-. Now. it seems to me that it ~N-ollld have been foll~for m.e at some later time. then. to snrr~Mrest tllat thc

briet'case be throxvn into the fleodtide of the Potomac or that these papels be tllro vn in the ris-et,or ssmetllin~ of tllis liind.

Novs-, the.e tvas in tlwis StOI'V also tlle suarrestion of shredcliner. I don't thint- in m; life tleat I has-e sllfrzrested to anvbodv that a

doctzm.ent be shtvedded. S'nredclinrr is just not~somethin(r tllat I }~a+-e e~-er reso}tecl to under an. circunlstances. nor proposecl' to

anvbodv under anv c.rcumstances. .-\s I snid. rve have a (rreat clispos.li svstem at tlle Al~hite House. I; 1011 reallv lvant to rret ricl of a

document, +~ou pttt it in a burn ba? and voll seal it llp and it's never openecl ag,ain. and it froes into a £-~rrsace and tllat is tlle en(l of it.

Senato. Gvn5Ew-. But to aet back to this second meetinfr when .John Denn comes to z-on and tells vou. lve have got some prettv

sensitive papers here, and as lle alleaes. xon sav, sveil, deep-six this briefease. Al:that's your testimons on that 7

Arr. F,IITtLIC'ITtt.\N-. I did not. I 11a~-e no recollection of that lxind of .t cnnversation.

Senator GUI{XEY. Dicl votz malse anv other sufrfrestion to him that hc (lisl)ose of tllese papers in anv otl;er wa~-?

Zk. ET[RLICIlAt.\N-. ARre disclossed what to.do about sorne papels ~VIliClI he tolcl me alwollt in tile safe lvhicll reallv showlld not

be lealced. t(tain, ^rc llave to come bael; to our FBI p}obiem. ^-\nd he lvas fflelluillel,v concerlletl ancl rvllen he explainecl it to me. I sllarecl

his corlcern that-if these clocllrnents lverc simplv svholesalecl to the Al~ashin(tton field office tlle FBI. n-e xvonkl be lD:I(iillt akut it in Time

mabazine in ~-el^, shott orcler.

'S;cnatol GL-nXEY. A-055- V°tl are talkinc abowtt tlle ones tllat sveX tUI necl over to Grav ?

BTr. FJIInl.lc Irtr.\> .tllcl SO ar~. De.ln came up Witll this iclea, turniny tllem ovel to Pat (>TraV peleonallv. Xncl I certainlv concurred

in it. I tllolltllt tllat svas an lcleal sollttion to tlle prololem

Sellatoi GTt~sNEY. Di(l tllat conle U1) in this meetiny when supposecll~tlle deel)-six cons-elsation came ul~?

ar~. Iellnl.lCltar.\>. •\-ell. I qathelecl tilat that nleetinym-assuE)posed

to have l)eell tlle nceetilt.tt xvhelt ar~. Itehlli alltl tlle otliels xvere tilere. It xvonkl have llecessazilv l~een at tllat meetinfr. because the die sr:ls

ealst tllereaftex. l~on ];noLv. tlle )t) I)isll01)s h: (l xvitnessed tlle opellin~> of tlle safe at this ;>oinr. So it- h:ld to l~e that meetin~-. A-onv. T

(lo not lino\v lvllat nleetill>- h2 is referriny to. sSenaltol ~t<NEY. I thinl; he said it svas the •4lst Atr. F.IIRLI('IIAn\N'. Tlle 2)1st. I sllet

CVitlI tr~. De;ln 011 tlle 'lst in the afternoon. The onlv thint that I C;lll s:lv to VOlI iS that I eeltaizllv RVO(II(i not have ancl .lid IlOt rol)ose

tlle (Irstliletioll ()f those doellinellts.

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LSellator Gt7T:N-EY. lVcll. let us ~et, then t~that is clear cnough. I>et tlS fret to the Gr:~v papets. .ts I ulldet-stand ~-ourtestimor.V no;v, :\fr. Veall dicl r;tire those sensitivc [)at)ers. If thc) svere just filed asvasill the F131 rc,,nlar files and sonl(E)atl)frot to tloem, SVlt)', it xvoukl l)e stery embarrassin,, to a lot of l)eople.

WIr. F,llr:LIC'IIZI\5-. That is xvhat he said.

Fienator GE-ntNEY. •\that 11apl)ened to tllose pal)en ? Tell 5 our velsion of the. storv frorn lwis first tellinft voll that tlle;,e lveresensitix-e t>apers to xvhet-e l;c tells vou somethin, clif}'erent aoout them?

AIr. EllSsLICtIB[;N-. He aronized for se~-eral davs about mhat to clo lvith tllis sitlla'ion. I xvas not inv-olvecl in a lot or

conversations lvith hinl about it. He lva, Uone a couple of das-s durinfr this interval l)ecause the river lvas floo.lillr,~ on aceount of

tfrnes hurlicane. His hou3e lvas near the river and so he lvas iust out OI the plav for a couple of da~-s durin^, that particular time.

He lvas movinO his ftlrniture up and ptlttin~ UD sand^;l~~ and svhatnot. '

So l.e c<~,me bacli from that intcrlude and said he thoufrht he had an idea as 'Q aoxv to solve this problem and tllat svould be todeliver tllese docum.ents in tsvo parcels—one parcel to the field office ancl the other parcei to P2t Gra~-. I certainlv concurred inthat sufraestioll. It seemed to rr.e liLre a vood lva~- of mal~inq SUre that the documents did not leal; as lony as BIr. Grav held on tothem. '

Senator GUSiN-EY. This xvas llis suzrvestion to turn them o+-er to Gray ?

3ir. EHRs11C2-lZrAN-. Yes, sir.Senator GUElS-ET. -tnd then rvhat happened ?

AIr. EE2RT.ICllZr.-\N-. Then, I said that either I n-o.tld fflet BIr. Grav to come os-er. but I thillk ~rhat I said to him ~ras AIr. Gl:av~vas conRin~ ovcr that clav for another appointment ancl vhv didn't he jtlst brinv tllem over v hen Pat Grav lvas there and deliverthem to him. so tlvo of tlS could saV that the deliw-erv had been macle and lve lvould ptlt an ~, end to tllis eviclelltiar^- chain. soto speal;;.

Senator GURN-EY. I tmderstand that he did come oz-er zuld he did larina tlle documents and Grav and he andvou lvere there 'Illen, svhat happened ?

SIr. FItrr.Icrlarv>. lVe m-ere there. He said, "Pnt. I lvoulel li'se to eiz-e von these." Tlle sense of it svas that

these lvere contents of Hunt's safe that lvere politicallv sensitive ancl that sve just colilcl not stancl to havc them

lealiccl. I do not linon- svlretller lle llad tall;ecl to (:8Tr.aa before 01' IlOt. becallse (5TraV seemed to

unclerstand the settinfY ancl thc premise. so to sl)ealv _t11t1 lle. tllrned the (locllments o~-er to llim allfl ,Iolln

Dean tllen left

Sellator GLRN-E1-. Diel •-otz sax nothin~ durinC this rvllole nleetin~2

!\tr. F,TIRLICEINt.\5-. I probablsE cllimed in on the sn5z,ect of leal~-s. ~VIliCII lvas tllen kind of a—lvaS atlleme tllat I lvas llittinffl ~xirlr Atr. (8lrav riallt alon~. tnd as I have testifieel before. I tlo llOt recall the snecificlanzoaye tllat ~vas llseel. The sense of the conl-elsation between tlle threc of lls. lvhicll lvas llOt a lonzennversation. lvas tllat tlle pllrpose of Pat C.rav talvinfT cleliverv of these lvas to avoisl the leak prol)le

EVl)iClI all of 1tS lecoanized tl~;at the T7RI lvasllavin~.

Senator grrRNEA~. Al'ell. I seenl to reewlll thele svas some restimollv al)ollt. to (~raV hv solneolle. eithelT)eall or von, t?~at tllese (loclllllellts SllOtll(I Ixever reP tlle lizzilt of (la!-. r)O ! olx recall tllat 7

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since the President, in his AtaV ) speech speciFlt-all~~savs he told troth-ou antl AIr. IIaldenlall that lle ws-.ts cancer ned about the CI & problemsancl asked you to see to it that the instesti~-ltion did IlOt uncover thesethings on the Sloth n hen sou met lVittl the President. did the Presidentgive t-ou such instructions or raise these questions NVitil VOII 2

Atr. EIIRL[CHAtAN'. A-0. Those instructions came through Ak. Halde

.man and lvere Given to me I think the morning of the clay of the meet-

nC ~v14~ich svould have been the 9:3d.

3Ir. DASIf. So actuallv the President's statement on AtaV Q that he

inst ru coed Arr. ICh rl ichman and Atr. Haldem an , really s ho al d h ave

been. he instructed Atr. Halcleman?

Afr. <-rErlLICITAt Hi-. M~ell, no. because he instructed me to attend the

meeting but he instructed me throtlth Arr. Hakleman and a greatm.anv of mv requests from the President svoulel come either from theseam secretary or from 3k. Ilaldeman or possiblv someone else. It

mas r.ot alnva+-s face to face.

ELI. D.ssls. Now, Arr. Hunt's safe xvas opened on the evening of

June lS-accordin t to the testimony received and 3k. Dean met SVithyou on June 01. Slfr. Dean has testifieA that prior to that meeting hehad examined the contents of the sable which svere placed in his officeand at this time, did he inifo2an vou of the contents of the safe on the,

21st ? -

Mr. EEIRLICH)L\N-. Well, vour questions of course, assumes that 3rr.

Dean l;nezv The contents of the safe. I have heard him test if v both svavsAtaybe. I am lvron<>, but I thought his testiirtonv was that ne did notknow the contents of the safe. but that Afr. Fielding had inspected

the contents of the safe.

I recall only one conversation with Afr. Dean about the contents of

the safe in anv sort of descriptive terms and I am sorry I cannot tellyou whether it- lvas on that occasion or The follox-in^, svees, but whathe described for me avas simplv that there had been paDers, a guns someelectronic equipment of some icing which I have Heard describedvariously -as a tape recorder and other kinds of elect ronic equipmentsand that he reported to me that Fielding felt that some on the papers

nvere verV politicallv sensitive.

Noxv, that tvas the mll report, and when he crave that to me. whether

it lvas the end of the lveelc of the lath or some time at the becri=.tin? of

the week of the 96th, I am not able to tell VOtl-

ATr. D.ASH. Did he not, when he reported to you about the contents of

the safe, indicate it also inclucled a forfrecl cable invollinfr President

S:ennedv and the so-called Diem assassination ?

3rr. ElILIGfIBI\X. A-0; he did not.

Err. DASrr. Noxv, Arr. Dean leas testified. and whether it V>as on this

day when he repo. ted to VOLI on the contents or at a later dav. that whenhe told volt alJollt the contents lVith reward to the lJliefease. which ap-parentl~- ha(l some electronic equipment in it, that !'°n said or told

him to deep-six the contents.

lYosr. slid vou tell him to deel)-six t.he contents xvllen lle frare vou a

lesc ri pt ion o f t he con tents o f t ll? j:l fe ?

Atr. Iu'lrr:l,tollaraN. Al'eli, I testified in response to Sell;ltor (~ntnev~s

question on that. III t)Oillt of fas t, Arr. Dastl. ~\-h;lt Arr. Dewln testifiedto liege, ton are •onfl;sill(r one of his—one of his press le:llis faith histestimony I tllinli. ITt tentitied llelc that I told loins to net ritl ot the

brie fc.lse, not the colltetlts.

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You pro1)av})lv read in one of the neevs nlanazincs the other version.

Ijut the fact is that I never Grave hiln anv sufr^>eatiol; or direction to do

cit11er one.

Jar. Dxsu. I things BIr. Dean did testify to deelz-six the hliefease

and certainly not tal;e the contents out before he deep-sixed it. B ut

you say 5 ou never (tare him that instruction '2

AIr. Ear~cilzr \5-. No, sir.

WIr. Dash. Do vou use the term deep-six?

AIr. EfIR.r.lCE{3[ \N-. Do I use it '?

AIr. D-vsz. Yes.

Mr. EH.rXLICH32x5-. Well, I used it quite a bit since it lvas suggested

to me.

WIr. DASE[. Prior to that ?

.'.lr. F:HPlBICH3t \N'. Prior to that I do not think that was a farnihar

part of Iny lexicon.

ZIr. DASH. Spparentlv Dean did not seem to understand either what

vow meant and when asked is it his testimonv that You mentioned thefact he toes over the bridge and he could drop it into the mater. Do

you recall that testimony ?

3Ir. EEXEr rclIzras-. A-0. I recall some testilnony—oh, do I recall the

testimony ?

i!>lr. D use. Yes.

Mr. EHRLIC~rAN-. Yes. I recall hearinffl him say that here.

3Ir. DASH. Xnd do a ou recall having told him that ?

hIr. ElIRLIC}XBtAN-. STo; I did not tell him that. I do recall a conver

sation with ZIr. Dean about the river because just at this time Err;Dean's house avas in the process of being flooded bv the Potomac, andwe had quite a bit of discussion about the fact that he xvas alvav fromsrorl; several davs, sandbagain, his house and moving the furniture,and so on, and eve xvere discussing that in the context of his having heldthis material from the FBI for what he svas concerned might be con-

siclered to be an inordinate period of time.

Mr. DASH. knd so he man have gotten mixed up in vour question

about the house and the river—

Slaughters]

l!~lr. EElRLICEtB[&5-. No.

BIr. DASH [continnin~]. With the contents?

Brr. E~1CH3L\N-. STo. I do not think that Arr. DeZan is at aN mixed

up. I thinly he lznorvs exactly what he is trying to do.

AIr. DASH. He is trvinffl to testifv.

Nolv, Err. Fielding testified in the depositions in the Democratic

hi ntional Committee Stlit on Slav ID. 19, 3. It was BEr. Dean's testimonybefore this committee that after he alleged . -

hIr. E~LlCErAtAN-. 3Ir. FieldillOr testifiesl that it avas BIr. I)ean's

testimony ?

Ak. D-xsrr. No, r.o. I have not finislle~l nlv questions please.

Bar. EEII1LICIIG[AN-. Brell. I am already ntixecl tip. Could we start

over ?

Bk. DAsiv. Yes. Atr. Dean testifieel aster vow had instructed him to

deep-six or drop the btief(ase ill the seated tll:lt Tee went to see BIr.Fieklinfr and repot teal loach to Err. Fieklill r that that lvas the itlStt-llC-tion they were co!lcetlle(l about, prilllalrilv })ee:rllse loo nlall~- people

had actliall,~ seen what llad collle out of the snfe.

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Noxv. :\k. Fie2dina has yiven his (leposition in the Democratic Na-

tional Commitree su:c on ALav 1.->. 1!) S 3. and Ict me rearl 5 ou lvhat AIr.

Fielclinft states in that (leposition.

In a ql:estion con(:ernillt the con+tersation he had NVitil Atr. Dean, his

allss er •\-.ti:

I xv~~ulll sas it avas clo.~er to the 2Xth than the 27th. r am afrai(l I cannot reallr

pinpoiot it mttch more thaa tb:tt. In ttle course of tlle conversationi thalt •ê had,John ind.~ted tbac there svas a lot of C~)ncern about this materi.tl anfl v~e hada discussi~)n 3bout it. I n-otl!~l hax-e saitl this is llOt a quote, that i; svollld bet:Sorh~~te it some of t.tis Stlt¢ lea'êd out or is rerealed to the press. Ily thesnme totiun, it all llas to be turne'd over. It is all evideuce, even thotlgh obviously,some ol it ~'s totally unrelaFed to the break-in. In the cotltest of that kinod oe con-ver<^tioa. Mr. Dean indicated to rse tlJar AIr. Ehrlichman had suggested to himA=;3 was in the colltext of a conversation about a briefease, that be deepsis the

bneicase.

~Now, thic iS AIr. Fielding's deposition recallinC lvhat BIr. Dean told

h~

Now, I iust raise tnat to sou on the basis that Atr. Dean testified

that he had vone bacL; to tell AIr. Fieklint, that ) ou had told him that

an(l Mr. Fieldint, has so cleposed that he has.

Mr. ERRLIC}DL-\N-. Well, Arr. Dash, it is perfectlv silly to sn~vest

that I vould fflo to the elaborate lenyths that I dicl in maliinb sure thatthe Secret Service and Ivehrli and the GS x and somebods from Dean's

oflice lvas present at the openiny of the safe and that I •vould Oive in

structions for takina custody of the contents and then mal;e a sug-gestion lilze that. I mean. I thinli you have to tYive me credit for un-derstandin,~ the importance of exidence in a case of this lvind and r didunderstand that and on the 19th made darn sure that that esidence wasprese.rved in a waV that if there xvere a subsetluent trial. the esidence

could be identified and placed in elidence carefully.

lbIr. D\SH. It lvas AIr. Dean's testimonv that he had to so instmct

you that that lvas the problem. that so manV people had seen it that

it would be inadxizable to do it.

iS:lr. ERRLlGT[3tAN-. lVell, lvhl don't vou asl; Atr. Colson, Afr. I<ehrli,

and Alr. Cla vson, tvho svere alao at that meetin~. svho it lvas that estab-lished the process by vhich the inteCrits of that eziclenec wonld bepreserred, and then r)erhaps vou lvill cet some intlepen(lent viesv of it.

hlr. D.-vsz. Is it not true that 5 ou dicl seel; to ask Atr. Claxvson ancl Atr.

Colson certainlv by a telephone call concerniny whether or not ~-ov;had made such a statement to Afr. Dean i Xnd von hax-e copie~l amnoxv reiferrint to a transcript of a telepllone call'that von 11nc1 lvith ZEr.Claavson which your attorneV has provicled under subpena to tlS. There

is no date on this transcript.

BIr. EI-tRLICItWl \N-. There is a {late on mine.

Wrr. D vSFr~ No date on mine. Mollat date do VOII have a

BIr. EllRl.ICH3rAN-. -tpril 17.

BIr. DASH. -tpril 1. (loes appear on the Colson tr tnseript. NOlV—.

Mr. E IlRt.lC{l3IAN-. For sorne reason thes excisetl the .late from sonr

COl>yo

Atr. D.vsll. Nonv. I zvill rearl tllis teler)llone eoll~-ersation allct as1; tllat

it he nlasle part of the reeol{l. It iS sllolt arld I aan read it t)llt I EVillrefer l)rinlal-il!- to lvllere 5011 xvex-e aslsin(< Arr. ('laxvsoll to l*~e:lli l)ein¢-nt a meeting an.l xvllele tlle (luestiorl of Hunt'S safe llad l)een •lisellssesl

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27.4 JOHN DEAD NOTES. SSC EXHIBIT B0. Z4-4Z .R .q¢e 1290


Portion of handwritten notes (John Dean Camp David report)

him tithe office & take the contents. Afteropening the safe BK & FFF boxed the contents

& sent them to BK's office for safe keeping.

They boxes were delivered to my of f icethe next morning.DEANy in & out#JWD & FFF went through the material d There

were three items that I considered very [word unclear].

(1) Electronic Equipment. (2) Pol. [word unclear] memos unrelated to the W/G. (3) the fact that there wasa gun & bullets

r in the heat of concern#I reported what was found in kthe safe toJE & Colson. It was suggested^)~that I"deep-six" the material, but I said I wasunwilling to do that. I express concern forour tampering with the evidence and that weshould merely hold it in my office becauseno one had requested it. I discussed thiswith FFF & he agreed [four words struck]

said I would be [word'unclear] to destroy evidence.

Accordingly the contents we kept in my office.

No [word unclear] was made, but my office is secureso I just left it in boxes, [word uriclearl forclassified cables which I had stored in a

saf e .-


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28. On June 22, 1972 FBI agents interviewed Charles Colson in the

EOB, John Dean was present. When the agents inquired about Howard

Hunt's office in the EOB, Dean told them either that he would have to

check out whether Hunt had an EOB office or that the request to see

Hunt's office would have to be checked out.

•} .:i

28.1 Charles Colson draft statement prepared for

delivery to the SSC, September 1973, 1, 10

Page

.(received from SSC) ................................................................................................................................................................................330

......... 332

28.2 John l)ean testimony, 3 SSC 939-40

28.3 N* esS of Charles Colson interview, June 22, 1972,

...........................................................................................................................................................................................................................................S>CExhibit No . 34-16, 3 SSC 1160 334

28.4....................................................................................................................................................................................................................................L. PatrickGray testimony, SJC, Gray Nomination...........................................................................................................................................................................................................................................Hearings,March 7, 1973, 328 335

28.5....................................................................................................................................................................................................................................L. PatrickGray testimony, SJC, Gray Nomination

...........................................................................................................................................................................................................................................Hearings,March 22, 1973, 671 336

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28.1 CHARLES COLSON DR4FT SnATE!ENT3 SSTF,EF,R 19 73, 1, 10

Qcen) nt sta~erenc of (:;>arles s7.1. Colssn

73eLt'g,)r~.) S_lect (:Om.t~'t~-;e on PLêsiklea.ti.^l

Catr,ai,tn Xc i.vities. .Jrf,sted S,at s Sen2te

I appreciate the opportunity to present this opening

sta,ement to your Commi-ttee. I shall first a.tempt to the best

of Enbr recollection to recount 7L2y kno.uledOe OL the events

s~~rrounding the Wetergate Affair.

I will also sttempt, if I may, to gn've this Cornmi'Ltee

some insight into the mood and at7aosphere wrnich existed in

th2 lVhite House durin,,, tXLle Wixon vears . I have rol7 0t.^7ed ~zour

proceedincrs to d-are; it is clear that yo-.l are seel~ino to d2_er-

mine not only aJhat in fac, happened, but why and hoTv these

things could have happened.

AS TO IHE FACTS:

I firsL E~.eard tlna. there ha;~ been a burOlary at tlle

Democratic National Cc.r.r .litt2e hea~{Jctu3rters on th2 radn' o. It

;.a:- Sc~-urday, J-uRe li, 'S)/9. T tllo~t;>'Lz: it t~.tas no mor_ thSr. a

ordi-n.lry vurgla9y --- one awoLe ad li.ion '~o t'ne De C. crLme

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28, 2 CTIAP.LES Nor snv nRA7s'T .SoAT77S.NT .g74.'7r7zRFR on 7 2 1 tn

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that their proposals, whatever they were, be considered. 'Caere

rwas no discussion that T can recall of What it Was tlrat they

.7 re plan.linct to do otter than the fact that I have the distinct

_-.,,)~,.-es,ion that it involved security at th2 convention and/or

gathering intelligence durinO the Democratic National Convention."

As I recall, the meeting lasted no more than five

minutes. The event had no significance in my mind insofar as

Watergate Was concerned until I learned this year for the first

time What the plan in fact Involved and or the meetings involving

hIr. Mitchell, Mr. Magruder and others.

On June 21, I suggested to Sir. Dean that I give a

statement to the FBI. I believed if I Were to give a Formal,

sworn statement as to ~X.y 0s7n Lack of 7Nno.^71edc-e of invo7ve~er.t,

-t:he fact of having done so might help to stem the flow of

adverse publicity. I do now lXnc-f xfhethe-r i_ s;7as::as c. result

or my request, but shortly thereafter, Dean told me to come

to his office for an interview With two FEI agents. I Was

questione'd in the presence of Fir. Dean.

On August 9S, aa,-<in acco.nDanied by Dean, I Have

a deposition to l!Ir. Silbert t-or the Grand Jury then investi-

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28, 2 JOHG DES TESTIMONY JUNE 25 1973 3 SSC 939-40

939

COL60NXS FBI INTERVIEW

r

To the best of my recollection it was on June 20 or 21, that Colson told me in a casual conversation in thehall outside his office about an incident that he thought was painfully humorous. He told me that a member ofhis staff, ZIr. Douglas HaUett, had all office in the same suite with RIr. Hunt, and Hallett was talking with awire service reporter while Hunt was in the other office.. Colson said to me something to the effect: "Can youbelieve what a story that reporter might have had ii Hunt had come walking out of his office while HaUett wasbeing interviewed 2 "

CoIson gave me the impression that this incident had occurred on June 17 or 19, but I do not recall which.However, I do recall Colson tolling me that it had occurred, as Colson was very concerned about hisrelationship with Hunt.

To the best of my recollection the FBI contacted me during the morning of June 22 and requested an

interview with Colson. I so informed Colson, and an interview was arranged for that day. Colson said that he

wanted me present when he vas interviewed and also wanted to meet with me prior to the interview. He was

insistent that I be present because he was concerned that the FBI report of the interview might not be accurate

and he wanted someone else to attest to his story.

Colson came to my office shortly before the scheduled meeting with the FBI. He said that he did not wishto get into unrelated matters and he said again that he had no information regarding the Watergate. I told himI presumed that the agents would only be interested in his knowledge about the Watergate and his relationshipwith Hllnt.

The agents arrived, identified themselves, and somewhat to my surprise, gave Colson a warning of hisrights, which he waived. I believe the committee has access to Mr. Colson's FBI interview, which was ratherbrief, ColQ,on imparted very little information to them.

[The document referred to was marked exhibit No. 3F16.*]

Mr. DEAN. I did not interject myself into the interview at any time, but did make some rough notes ofitems covered. In fact, I believe this was the only interview where I made any notes at all. I made these notesbecause Colson had expressed his concern before the interview regarding someone later being able to attest tohis story.

I have submitted to the committee the very rough notes, which have also been transcribed from myhandwriting—the rough notes that I hastily jotted down during the interview, and find them very revealing inlight of the statement that divas made during the nomination hearings of Sir. Patrick Gray for the FBIdirectorship, and would like to digress for a mownent regarding the comment that wns made during thosehearings that "Dean probably lied" to the FBI as to whether Hunt had an office in the White House.

DEAN PROBABLY LIED

During the interview of Mr. Colson on June 29, the agents asked him if WIr. Hunt had an office in theW0Thite House. Colson responded that he thought AIr. Hunt had an office in the EOB, but he did not

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28. 2 JOIffl DF,AN TESTIMONY JUNE 25, 1973, 3 SSC 939-40

940

know where it svas located. This question came llp about midwaythrough the interview and Divas not, as I recall, pulEtled ful ther at thatpoint by the agents, other than a question to me as to whether it would

^ be possible to get the room number. I said yes. At the end of the inter-I viesv and as the afflents lvere departing, they asked me if thev couldI see—not Whether 3tr. Hunt had—rather whether thev could see 3fr.| Hunt's office right then. I told them I v>-ould have to check it ollt and[ Pet bacli to them.

Those are the facts as I remember them. and (?olson happened to

stop bv mv office on the dav that Grav said I probablv lied. I askedColson for this recollection of the matter and he stated that 11e remem-bered it as I had remembered it. At that time I had fort otten that Ihad made the notes during Colson's interview, which dearly reflectedthat (7olson had stated during the interview that Hunt had ~'rn office inthe Wnite House. A few days after Colson's interview I called theassents acid told them I had the materials from Hunt's office ancl would

yet the material to them shortlv.

I learned after 3Ir. Gray made his statement auring his nomination

hearing that he based his conclusion on a report, written by the agentssome 7 months after the incident. When I talked with Grav about thematter during his nomination hearings and he informed me that hedid not feel he could retract the statement without creating moreproblems, I told him that I did not think that the acents.invok-edshould be brouzht,into the matter because I avas sure'that thev hadhonestly reported the matter as thev hack remembered it. I had dealtwitch the agents involved on several occasions and felt that thev hadcalled it the avny thev llad remembered it, so I let the matter drop anddecided that I svould just have to take the rather unpleasant heat

and live with it.

Fir. Chairman, this could be a point where I could summarize part

of this statement rewarding handling of the FBI interlieav witll theATrhite House and just merelv state generally that thev follow a very

similar pattern.

Senator ER\aN-. That would be all right if von could indicate for the

committee the paves on srhicll the statements are made that vou sum-marize so Eve can have those pares printed in full in the bodv of the

record.

3tr. DE.\N-. All right, sir. I svill summarize beginning at the bottom

of pare 6.'3 tllron.ah fifi and merelv note to the committee that thehallcllinffl of the FRI interviews at the White Hollse followed thel)atterll that hail first been estal)lislled bv the interview with :}lr(7C)lSOII. I cleared this procedllle vital 3rl. F,hlliellman. He felt it svas;l ,~~oocl idea I •vas there. I TvaS there whell he vras present or whenhe Divas interrievs-ecl and I tllilll; that the matel ial is self-exnlanatorvas to any flnestiolls that the committee misrllt have re,tardill~ those

intel \-iervs.

grEN EB.\I, TT \5-DLIN-G, OF FT31 |N-TE.RlAENVS AT TIIF. AN TRITE HOrSE

.\s previously indie.lte(l the first persons to l)e interl~iexsed atthe Alt}lite llollse 11\ the FIST lV,lS Colson silld Colson hail insistedthat I has present dlllillar his intelviexv and leollestezl I rez-iexvthe Illattt'l' XVitlI hill l)I'iOI' to his intel viexv. The Jolson illters-iex~-

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28. 3 NOTES OF CHARLk.tS COLSON INTERVIEW tJUNE 22, 1972,

S.SC EXHIBIT NO. 34-16~ 3 SvSC 1160

1160

EXHlBIT No. 34-16

.# HOW DID HUNT COME TO STAFF?

CC AS A CONSULTANT. I KNEW HIM. PENTAGON PAPERS NEEDED SOMEONE

TO REVIEW.. KNEW THAT HE WAS CAPA,BLE.

# HOW DID YOU KNOW HIM?

CC SOCIAL

# ASSOCIATED WITH CIA?

CC - NO

+ 'POINT, THAT WORKED ON DECLASSIFICATION PROJECT -- WHO?

CC DAVID YOUNG

# - STATUS: CC SAID ADVISED IN MARCH THAT HIS OFFICE ADVISED HIM

NOT USING HUNT.

# , HUNT HAD OFFICE IN WHITE HOUSE

# . DO YOU KNOW A MISS HASTINGS - NO

+ DO YOU KNOW CADDY- NO

# DO YOU KNOW ARRESTED INDIVIDUALS - NO

# - ALFRED BALDWIN - NO

$ DID YOU HIRE HUNT FOR SPECIFIC JOB - NO

# DO YOU KNOW WHO FINANCED HUNT? - ONLY SALARY HERE,

MULLEN & BOOKS

# WORKED YOUR OFFICE RE LEAKS - NO

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28. 4 B. PATRICK 2wEAY TESTItIOi~SY, MARCH 7, 1973,

SJC GRAY .VO!8IaVATIOsC HEARI~/2,S. 328

Senator BYRD. NVIwat xvotlkl be the necessity of continttint to meetand talk With Air. Ehslichman after 5 ou hall had the initial (liSCUSSiOsAVitll him to proceed?

:\lr. GR.~Y. I don't knorv, and I am not going to go down that pathtultil I can review my appointment records and relieve my recollection.

I evon't say I met With him 6, S. 12 times, until I knoxv. It may be less.

But I am talluing from recollection.Senator BYRD. Can Lou indicate also for the record the content of

the •liscussions that took place in each of those meetings?:\lr. GR.NY. To the best of my recollection, ves, I xvill.Senator BYRD. The dates anal Whether or not anvone else lvas

present what vou clisenssed in each instancesAIr. GRAY. Whether it lvas by telephone, Whether it svas bv meetings.

Senator BYRD. In the material that you supplied for the committee,t)aCe .;:3 there Divas included a letterhead memo dated Ju157 91, 1979that vou presl)arecl at the request of and sent to John Dean, counsei

to the President. On page 10 of that memo, you state:

It was determined from Air. JS)IES Dean that the personal effects of Everette

H~Xav~-ard Hunt had been removed from Hunt's office in the Executive OfficeBuıldinC and brought to his, Dean's office. This material much svas turned overto the FBI on June 27, 1972, induded ancillary eqwlipnlent for the transceiversand other equiprnent identical to items known to have been purchased by James

XValter :\lcCord, Jr.

AtElat xvere the circumstances involved in Air. Dean turning over

the equipment in Atr. Hunt's office 10 days after the break in'*Air. GRAY. This came up as a result of agents' desiring to fin(l out

'rvhether or not Air. Hunt had an office there. AIr. Dean said that alexvoulel have to check Whether or not AIr. Hunt ha(l all office there and

avoul(l ascertain that.Indeed, at this point in time, the Halite House records indicated

that Honvard Hunt had ceased his employment as of Starch 29, 1979.M7e had previously ascertained that fact. Later eve severe delivered

these materials and an inventory avas made of these materials thatavere delivere(-l to us. Inchlde(l among those materials avere a gml,electronic equipment tying in Htlnt XVitlI the tvpe of electronic equip-ment that zvas possessed bv :\Ir. :\lcCord, anti top secret materials

involving South vietnalll dispatches.Senator B1'RD. Dill AIr. Dean volunteer this evidence?:\Ir. GR VY. We reallv didn't ask him for it. AA~e didn't ask for a

search Warrant because. at that point in time, When eve lvere talking

With AIr. Dean, sve really didn't know what eve there lookinD for.'vX7e (li(ln't ask for a search warrant because lee conltln't specify

lvitll particulltlitv what •ve wante(:l. lVe didn't knowsSenator BYRD. I noted the FBI intersiesved Air. Dean on June 97;

is this when the evident e nvas turned over?:\11. GR-.&Y. The evidence, as I recall, xvas turned over on Jllne 96.

Tes, this material xvas furnislle(l to tlS on the morning of June 96, lid x ).- Senator BAIRD. \tOtl have indicated that there was electronic bn~~in~ecltliplllerlt an(l these xvas a ,,UII involre(l.

\\tllat other eri(lence xv2ts turtled over to the FBI at this time bvAIr. Deals?

AIr. GRAY. I lvollld hare to 2I}O to the inrentorv. There lvas a tlvo'pa,yc inrelltorv, as I recall. It is an exhibit to our sulllmilrs, an(l I

vill pro(lll(e th2lt. It is a rather extensive inventory

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28. 5 L. PATR.ICK GR.AY TESTI.M.O.'DY, .^MRCR 22, lS73,

SJC GRAY NOMINATION HEAP.IX,nS 671

~~1

Sellc k;vt Blr:Zv. rl'llc llCKt dxl) ar~. Deall { alle(l VOII at 10: )-) a.m.. rc-

~~ardin_, itsaks COllf (bl'llill, matel ial tlelivelc(l to tl~ie F1'I. A7'llat particll-

I<tr le llv ancl ovllat sy)ecifie m:ttel ial disl he !)ac e ill milltl ?

tIr. I-JI:\YX Ile svas callinsr lile tllen about tllose l'UIllOl'S tllat ~~ere

contilluing. as he put it, to tlle eii'ect that tEle FBr xvas dlacrginrr itsfeet ill thos investiaatiolt alld tllat a gllll hacl !)een folllld ill At1. Hullt'scii'~~cts. 'l'ilis +R-as tl,e sub ject of that call, as best as I cau recollect it. sir.

Senator BYRD. 011 the salne al'ternooll at S 3,rs VOU called him. \'oll

state •-ou have no recolle(tioll of the substallce ot' tbat call. Could it

have 'oeell xvith respect to AIr. Slunt's proIlerties?

AIr. (-rter. No. I •10 not tllinl; it ~vas. I covered that prettv thor

ouerhlv ill that morllin r call. That is xvh~- I am sure it isn't. I havetried to remember it. It could have been on lealiss it could have beenon .oll call records, 01' it coukl have been on svitness interviesvs, but I

iust clon't linoLv.

- '' ~Senator Bwmo. Going bacl; to Atr. Dean. sshen he indicatecl that hexvould have to check to see if AIr. Hunt had an office iIt t,he Old

Exetlltive Office Building. he lied to the aCents; didn't he9.

:Ak. GR\Y. I AVOIII(t say lookin? bacl<: on it nosv and eshaustively

analvzina the minute details of this investiaation, I ssould have to

_conclude that that probablv is correct, yes, sir.

Senator BYrs. Nonv. ~,-ou ]ust conclude that at this point.

Xonv abollt on the 9 I th, the day after—

AIr. GR\Y. A-0, sir. No. sir, there avere none of us that discussed it in

that time frame. AVe did not even consider it. WN'e didn't think about it.

Senator BYRD. I cannot for the life of me, m-ith all due respect to

you, imata,ine holv these thin~:,s v,ould not have occurred to VOlt in the

face of the chain of events that are on the record.

Ak. GP \Y. lVe are lool;ing at it in hindsi,ght, Senator Bvrd.

Senator BYRD. I am talliine about the 97th—lool;in<r baclc on the

l.')th and the 2_d of .June.

Afr. gRAY. I think vou have to place it in the proper perspective as

~ve loolied at it ~vitl; a fast movin~, fast-paced investi~ation. lvithevents and reports and cletails cominc in. I am savin<t to vou that itdiA notoccurto usthen.lVe u-ere concerned atthetime aboutthe

chain of custodv. There is 110 question about that.

~'renatf,r BYr:n. AIr. (;raV, hin(lsight is a velV llseful agent. Let's

talse hinclsitht for a molneilt. You inclicated that :\ir. Deail probablvlied to the FBI agents as vou now 100k hack, ~-et vesterclav vou saiclvou ~voul(l continlle to send to him raxv FBI files if he recltlestecl them.Alt hv lvoulcl vou now continue to send ra~v FBI files to an inclividnal

vs-llo ptrobablv lied, to nse vour u-ords, to an FBI aSent?

Ak. GRAT. Altell, Senatol T3vlel, I thirlk that vou have eot to re.llize

onee again that I am a T3ureali Cllief in an exectitia-e depaltment of theGovelnment. that I have to talie orclers from somebod~-, tlwat I doret)olt to somebods. that I am jllSt not out tllere in tlle open. vou hlonv,indepenclent and doin~ exactlv ns I E)lease. and tllat mall is (:ounsel

to thc Presidellt of the lSnitecl States.

Senator 131rD. I reco,anize all tllis.

:NIr. (;R\}-. I thil.k ,you l;norv that llis first clutv—I lvould lilze. if I

ma,y, to let the recolel ckXallv shoxv tllat I ha~-e testified that llis filStcllltv xvas to the President ot tlle lInited Fitates ill •onllectioll lvitll tlse

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29. 011 or about June 22, 1972 Acting FBI Director L. Patrick Gray

met with John Dean. Gray told Dean the FBI had discovered that a

$25,000 check drawn by Kenneth Dahlberg and four checks totalling

$89,000 drawn on a bank in Mexico city payable to Manuel Ogarrio had

been deposited in a Miami, Florida bank account of Bernard Barker,

one of the persons arrested on June 17, 1972 at the DNC headquarters

in the Watergate. Gray and Dean discussed the FBI's alternative

theories of the Watergate case, including the theory that the break-in

was a covert operation of the CIA. Either that same day or the following

morning Dean reported to Haldeman on his meeting with Gray, and

Haldeman in turn transmitted the essence of the report to the President.

29.1 L. Patrick Gray log, June 22, 1972 (received

29.2 L. Patrick Gray testimony, 9 SSC 3451.......


29.4 Memorandum from C. W. Bates to Charles Bolz,

June 22, 1972, 1-2 (received from SSC)

29.5 Telegram from FBI Washington Field Office to

L. Patrick Gray, June 22, 1972, 1-2 (received from SSC)..346

29.6 H. R. H8'deman testimonyj Subcommittee of the Senate

Appropriations Committee, Hearings on Purported

Attempt to Involve the Central Intelligence Agencyin the Watergate and Ellsberg Incidents, Executive

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assist him in his inquiry. I asked AIr. Dean if he svould be reportingdirectly to the I'residetlt or through AIr. TIaldeman or Atr. IChrlicllmall.fIe informed me that he •voltld be reporting directly to the Presidents

At this meeting vstith Air. Dean there avas no discussion of ~vholnlve xvere going to interview or where our leads might take the investi-bation. We did discuss the scheduling of White Hollse internievfsthrough Parr. Dean and }liS sitting in on the interviews as counsel to

the President.

On Tllursclaw, June id, 1979, after being briefed bv BIr. Charles W.Bates, Assistant Director, General Investigative Division, rewardingthe latest developments in the Watergate case and undoubtedlv as aresult of information developed at that briefin(r, I telephoned DitectorHelms of the CI>t. T told him of our thinking that ve mites be polkintinto a Cl t operation and asked if he could confirm or denv this. Hesaid he had been meeting on this every day Smith his men, that thevlcnelv the peoples tll.^t they could not figilre it ollt but that there was no

CI t involvement.I met again with WIr. Dean at 6:30 p.m. the same dav to again discuss

the scheduling of intersiexvs of White House staff personnel and toarrange the schedtllinfr of these interviews directly through the AVash-ington field office rather than through FBI headquarters. Ott this llleet-in,~ I also discussed with him our very early theories of the case;namely that the episode svas either a CIA covert operation of someSOIbt simplv because some of the people involved had been CI-t peoplein the past, or a CI-t monev chain, or a I)olitical money chain, or apure political operation, or a Cuban right V>tillg operation, or a com-bination of any of these. I also told Fir. Dean that vve were not Zeroingin on ans one theory- at this time, 01 excltldin^, ant-, but that. Eve justcoltld not see anV clear reason for this burglary and attempted inter-

cept of communications operation.I believe that it vs-as at this meeting on .IIlne 24 that I told him of

our discoverv of a bank accionilt in the name of Bernard Bnrlcer, whoavaS arrested in the AlTntelfratC burblalas and the fact that a S>}.,.oonchec k associated with Kenneth I)ahlbert and four checks clralvlt on aMexican bank pavable to Atanllel ()~arlio, in the total amount ofSS9,()0(), wvere deposited in the barker account. I do not have a clearmenlolV of telling him al)ollt mv telephone eall earlier in the clav toDirector Helms revarclin(r the question of Chat ins-olvemetlt. It islilielv that I xvould have clise.nssecl the Hz lnls call with hiln ,11 eonnec-tiOIl with out discussion of the theories of the case, sinee Air. Helms

had in formed me that there -svas 110 Cl t invol cement.

On Friday Tulle i.3. 19 8 ", AIr. Bntes met. with me again to brief me011 recent developments. I telep}lolled AIr. Dean follolvin.r mv n)eetinltwith AIr. Bates I am quite certain t}l.lt this call again involved thelSnrlter l)nllk account and the Oyarrio and Dahlbel b checks. Either inthis call or in the meeting of the preceding evening Atr. Dean firstraised with Ille the idea that if eve persisted in Otll- efforts to investi-(>ate this Alexicall monev chain eve could llneos-er or become involvedin CIat ol)etatiollS. I rememl)er telling ATr. Dean ill one of these earlvtelephone calls or meetings that the FIJI xvaS goingy te pursue all leadsafr,,lessivelv unless eve xvere told be the Or th.it there vanes ;1 CIt

interest or invol • ement in th is ease.

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29. 3 JOHS DEAN' TESTI!~ONY JG'E 25 1973 3 SSC 34r-43

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I l)elic~-c tllat it nvas on .Jtlne oI tllat I fil'St met lVitll Gra~- in iliS

office in the late morninft reraldillfr tne F13I s illVCSti'rittiOII. -tt tll;ttmeetinfr he tolel me lle f.iLl) reali%eci tlle sensitis-c n.ltllle. of tlle investi-gation the) svere 1lulEtlin<, and tllat he llad placecl }liS most trtlstedsenior people in cllar(te of tlle ins-esti,fratioll. I told (;rav that I lladbeen asked to be lsept informed abotlt tlle ins-estifratioil. :!lr. STr;lrtol(l me tluat llc lla(l l)een \'iSitillft a nlllul)el of le rion;ll oilices :111tvould be doiner so in the future. Tllus. if I needecian.y- infollllutioI shoulcl call AIr. '71arlx Felt in his absetlce. I mi rllt note at tllis pOillttllat indeed Gra~ n-as frequentlv absent from tlle citv dul-i]l(r tlle collrsof the ins-estitration and tllis irritated Ellrlicllman grleatlv lvllen lleaslied me to get information from Grav and Grav lvas ollt of tlle cirv.On serreral occasions, in fact, lillrlicllman instrvicted nle to tell CTIasto return to the city and mind the store. I passed tllis messafre to Gra),but I cannot recall avhat promptecl F,hrlichmall to ha~-e me elo so at

this time.

During mv meetin(r v ith Grav on June 41 he also told me a man

b,v the name of tIr. Bates M as headin r tlle investigation. I clo not lillO\VBIr. Bates, and lvhen I reported thiS baclx to Ellrlichnlan ancl he aslieclme vho Bates lvas, I told him I clid IlOt lxIlO\V Bates. I can lecall onseveral occasionS Ehrlichman asl;inr me if I tllouerht tllat Gray knexvvllat he lvas cloinfr ancl if he had the investiXratioll llnder COiltl'OI. rrespollcled tllat he seemecl to be rels inXr on nlen in zv}lom lle llacl full

trtlst.

To the best of m~- reeollection, it lvas clllrin r thiS .Jnnc •41 meetine

lvith Grav that he informe(l Ille that the FBI llacl uncovered a mlmberof majoribanlvill r transactions that had transr)ired in the aecolltlt ofone of tlle arrestecl Clnballs—Afr. Barlcer. He infolnled me tllat tllevhad traced a S_. ,()00 clleclc to a BIr. Itenneth Dahlhel fr and follr e]leclis

total i 11¢r SiSt),()O~) to a banlv in Atexico citv.

I do not recall lvlletller I fil'St lealned abont tbe l)ahlber.a cllectl;

from ATr. (>TraV or xvlletller I learnecl abont it in a nleetinfr ill :Ntitcllell'soffice by reason of tlle fact that the FBI xvaS trvin r to COllt:lCt Arr.Dalllbelg alrollt the matter ancl Dalllberr hacl callecl Atr. Stalls. ttan!~ rate, the fact. tbat. the FBI ~vnS investi,(ratillfr tllese matters xvasoflltmostconeern to Atr. Stansxvhell helearlle(Jtofit. Stanslvas eoll-eernecl abotlt the Dalllbel sr clleclc. T rvnS infol mecl, beeallse it ~x-as ill f:lOta contribntioll from :\tr. Dlvavne tnclreas, lvhom I {licl llOt linon-, btltI lvas tolel rvnS a lonatirne baelvel of Senator Hnbel t TTtllnt)llley.Neither stans nor Btitcllell lvantecl ATr. -tncll eas to be emllarlassecl bvclisclosllre of the contriblltion. Tlle concern ahollt tlle ALexiean monevlvas macle a little less clenr to me. I lvaS tolcl it lvaS a eontl iblltioll froma Crony> of Texans lvho 11acl llsecl an intermeclinl v in Afexieo to malicthe contribution. -tltllon(rll I llacl 11ot heen tolel. I assllmecl at tllelt timetllat tlnn- rvere eoneel lleel heeallce it sollnflecl to Ille 51S if it min:llt lmve

been a eorporate eontrihlltioll ancl elearls a violatioll of tlle lfl\l-.

l\tr. S;tans also ewr)lainecl that he llnfl elleel;ecl lvith tRloall to fincl ont

llonv tllis mollev llacl enclecl lln in arl . Barlcer's ballk aeeollllt ancl Sloanrelsortecl tllat be 11ncl Civen the eheelss to T,islelv allcl recllleste(l tllat lleeasll tllem: lle S;li(l 11e hacl no iclea hoal T,iclelv 11at1 easllecl theln. I+ntSlllllliStfI tllat h(8 hn(l ol)X-ionsll nsell T~arl;el t(l casll tllz~an. I lV,lS also

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tokl—and I do not, recall sr)ecificall v svho told me th is—that this mones-hacl absollltelv nothinfr to clo lvith the Altaterfratc; it n-as llnrelated anclit • as merelv a eoincidence of fact that l,icld! hacl nsecl B;lllver tocash the cheelis and I,idely hacl retllrned the monev to Sloan. I •vas tolelthat the inz-estiration of this matter vvhich appeulrecl to be connectedxvith A0xraterfrate but v~-asn't, svaS unfoulleled and n-olllcl merels- resultin an nnnecessar:,- embarrassmellt to the contriblltors. tccoidinql~-,WIitchell and Stans hoth asked me to see if there lvas anAtllincr theW\Thite Hollse conlcl do to l)revent t}liS ullnecessalv embarrassment. -i',ill turn, related these facts to both TIaldeman and Ehrlichman. OnJune 2a, at the reqelest of Ehrlichman and Haleleman I lvent to sezBIr. (>Trav at thi3 office in the earl~- eveninffl to disetlss the Dahlberfr andMexicari checks and cletermine hovv tlle FBI svas I)roceeding ~Vit}l thesematters. 31:r. Gray told me that tlley vere pursuing it by seehinr to

intervievf the persons lvho had draxvn the checks.

It vas during my meetine vvith AIr. Gray on June 2° th3t we also

tallsed abollt his theories of the case as it avas bet inninfr to unfold. Iremember svell that he drenv a dia(rram for me shonvint his theories. -ttthat time AIr. Grav had the followinq theories: It vvas a setup job bva donble agent j it svas a CIA operation becanse of the number offormer er -t peor)le ins-olved; or it svas someone in the reelection com-mittee n-ho lvas responsible. Grav also had some other theories svhichhe disetlssed. but I do not recall them noav, bUt I do remernber that

those I hal e mentioned n-ere his primarV theories.

Before tlle meetint ended, I recall that Grat ancl I agrain had a brief

disetlssion of the problems of an in~-estifration in the AVhite House.Gra^~ exlzressed )liS axvarenes.i of the notential l!roblems of snell anins-esti(>ation ancl also told rne that if I needed anV information Ishollld call eitllel Alark Felt or himself. Gray also iliformecl Ille thathe lViatS (roinfr to meet SVitll the CI-t to disenss tl1eir lsossible involve-

nlent and he lvonlcl let me knoxv the outcome of that meetiner.

On June an I reported mV conversation XVit}l (7wra+- of the precedin~

eveninw, to Ell rlich mall ancl Haldeman. We cl isenssed the Dilhl bererancl tlle AIexican checlss and tlle fact that the FBI ~vas 100kinfr foranssvers reyarclint, these checks. I hacl the iml?ressioll that either Ellr-lichman or llalcleman mit ht havc llacl a convelsation X itll someoneelse about tllis matter l)Ut t)liS xvas mere speculatioll on mv pal t at that

time.

Alrithin the first davs of mv involvement in the covelllp. a ~rattern

ha(l develope(l rv]lere I lvas carrvinfr messa,.es flom :\litchell. Stans.and WIarcli:ln to Ehrlicllman anci Halcleman—alld ~-ice versa—al)ontllorv each gllarter lvaS }lancllin r the coverlll) an(l relew-ant infol mationas to ~vhat svas occtlrlint,. I xvas also reportillt to tlqem all tlle infolnla-tion T m-as recei~-infr abowlt the case from the Jllstice I)er)artment andthe FBI. I clleelsed •v;th Halcleman an(l F,hrlicllman 11efore I clicl an~--tllinfr. One of thc fesv sets of earls •locnlrlents evidellcill,zr tllis XVOII;il;<tl-elationsllil) ~vith I;taklemall and F,llrlichman relates to resI)ondillXY toTJarlv O'Briell's lettcr of Jnne °4 to the Presiclellt reCIllestillfr theal)r)(iintmellt of a sl)ecial proseclltor. I llave sul)lnittecl these cl(lellinellt3

to tlle con-lnlittce.

[Tlle cloctlments refellecl to xvere mallzed e~;hil~it No. ;;4-1,.*]

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29.4 C. M. BATES !EMOM.VDUM, JWE 22, l9Z2, 1-2


UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT

Memorandum

TO : [Mr. Bolz ] DATE: June 22, 1972

FROM : C. W. Bates

SUBJECT : JAMES W. McCORD , JR., AND OTHERS

BURGLARY OF DEMOCRATIC PARTY

NATIONAL HEADQUARTERS, 6/17/72

I.'4TERCFPTION OF COS,vnJNICATIONS

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At 4:00 p.m. on 6/21/72, Mr. Felt, SAC Kunkel of WFO and I

met with .'tr. Gray on this case. We brought him up to date on all aspects.

It was agreed that this was most important,that the FBI's reputation was at

stake, and that the investigation should be completely impartial, thorough

and complete. Several points were discussed and these have already been

furnished to the field for handling, such as reinterview with McCuin to

identify the Secret Service official, further details regarding the $100 bills.

In answer to our question, Mr. Gray instructed as follows: Hold up any dissemination of this information to Department or White House. Scold

up electronic sweep. Ilold any interviews of White House personnel .

SAC Sunkel broached the theory that this was in furtherance of the NVhite liouse efforts to locate and identify "leaks." It was admitted this was a theory. Mr.

Gray said we should, of course, consider this but not let it influence our complete investigation. I assured him the investigation was going full speed and that I would keep him briefed

on any deve lopmen t s .

At Mr. Gray's request, SAC Runkel and I met with him at 9:30 a.m., 6/22/72. He was brought up to date on developments overnight and was informed that

all points he raised yesterday were being thoroughly explored. At this meeting he again instructed that the dissemination be held up and that the electronic sweeps be held. I told

him that both the CIA and the Metropolitan Police had inquired of 'XFO about briefings in this matter and that I felt we should brief no one. He agreed .

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29. 4 C. ho. BATES .t.tE.WS#DUM, JEFF 22, 1972v 1-2


Memorandum to Mr. Bolz

Re: JAt{ES W. McCORD, JR., AND OTHERS

At 10:25 a.lll., ,>'.r. Gray called me and authorized our

making an offer to the Democratic National Committee, the Credentials

Committee, and the Republican National Committee for electronic sweep

of their facilities. He also authorized a contact with Mr. John Dean of

the White House regarding interviews and information needed there.

This is being immediately handled by WFO.

While on the phone with him, I advised him of a new development:

Subject Barker had tried to cash a cashier's check with the Republic National

Bank, Miami, on 4/24/72. This check was drawn on the Boca Raton Bank

and was for $25,000. The Republic Bank checked with the Boca Raton Bankand they were advised the check was good and had been obtained by

Mr. Kenneth Harry Dahlberg. Our files show Dahlberg was investigated

at the request of the White House in December, 1969. I'ie is an industrialist

from Minnesota, is a millionaire, and has been active in the Republican Partyin the Midwest for a number of years. The White House records disclosed

he was not presently connected with the White House.

I talked to Mr. Gray again at 5 p.m. on 6122/72 after his return

to the office. I again went over the latest developments.

At 3:15 pm on 6123172 Mr. Gray called me. tie said he had

just talked to the Deputy Director of CIA in his office and he briefed me i

detail regarding the conversation. I again told him I felt the FBI had no

choice but to continue our full investigation and obtain all the details.

He agreed.

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At 6:00 p.m. on 6123172 Mr. Gray called me. He said he had just talked with Sandy Smith, a reporter for TIME magazine. Smith told him that TIME had

adverse information affecting Mr. Gray but not affecting the FBI; that Gray had refused to permit Agents to check Colson's telephone toll calls and to interview him and that Gray

had instructed this investigation be wrapped up in 24-43 hours, the inferrence being it would be a w~t:itewa5h bV the F'dI on Gray's instructions. Or. Gray told me he told Smith that

the question had not arisen regarding Colson's toll calls; that we had checked with Colson to get toll calls made by Hunt; that he had not instructed the case be wrapped up in 48

hours but had instructed that it receive immediate priority attention and that he had indicated he had held up the electronic sweep of the Democratic and Republican headquarters

until he had all necessary facts and that the sweep had now been ordered. Mr. Gray instructed that I have all Agents in

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29. 6 H.R. HALDF,MAN TESTIM.ONY, MAY 31J 1973,

SF.NATE APPROPRIATIONS SUBCOA.RITTEE EXFCUTIVE SF.SSION, 36C-61


Mr. Haldeman. I don't believe anyone else was.

Chairman McClellan. Just you and the President?

Mr. Haldeman. Yes, sir.

Chairman McClellan. You say the five points you set

out in your statement are the reasons given you by the Presi

dent for the necessity of that meeting.

Mr. Haldeman. Yes, sir. If I can describe the chronology

there, it might be helpful.

Chairman McClellan. start from the moment the President

contacted you or began talking to you about a meeting. Start

with that and give us your whole version of what happened from

the minute you first knew that the President wanted a meeting

set up.

Mr. Haldeman. With your permission, could I go back a

step prior to that?

Chairman McClellan. We do not want to restrict or limit

you in any way. You give US the true story, beginning with when

you first knew that the President was interested in and wanted

this meeting set up, the reasons why he wanted such a meeting,

and what was to be the hoped for result, what was the objective

of the meeting, what purpose was it to serve.

Mr. Haldeman. Right.

| Either that morning, the 23rd or the preceeding afternoon,

| and I am not sure which, afternoon or evening, John Dean, as I

can best recall this, and again it is trying to recall events

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29. 6 H.R. HAlDEMAN TESTIMONY, MAY 31, 1973,

SF,NATE APPROPRIATIONS SUBCOI/M.ITTEE F.XFCUTIVF SESSION, 360-61


of a year ago, John Dean told me that the FBI was concerned

about the question of whether there might be CIA involvement

in some aspects of the Watergate affair, either directly or

indirectly .

In raising this concern of the FBI, I felt that something

needed to be done at that point in time to guide the FBI as to

whether there was involvement and, if so, what, and what prob

lems there might be in that respect. I transmitted this report,

| in essence, to the President, I believe on the morning of the

| 23rd.

Chairman McClellen. That was John Dean who talked to you

the day bef ore?

Mr. Haldeman. Either the day before or that morning. I

am not sure which.

Chairman McClellen. What authority or what responsibility

did John Dean have in the matter at the time he talked to you?

From what authority or motivation was he becoming involved or

was involved at that time?

Mr. Haldeman. John Dean was Counsel to the President.

One of his areas of responsibility was the liaison and contact

between the White House and the Justice Department and the FBI.

In that regard, he was the man at the White House who was main

taining the hour-by-hour contact with the Bureau and other

Justice Department officials in their investigation of the

Watergate matter.

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30. On June 22, 1972 the President held a press conference. He

was asked whether he had made an investigation to determine whether

there was a direct link between the people who bugged the DNC headquarters

and the White House. The President said:

Mr. Ziegler and also Mr. Mitchell, speaking for

the campaign committee, have responded to questions onthis in great detail. They have stated my position

and have also stated the facts accurately.

This kind of activity, as Mr. Ziegler has indi

cated, has no place whatever in our electoral process,or in our governmental process. And, as Mr. Zieglerhas stated, the White House has had no involvement

whatever in this particular incident.

As far as the matter now is concerned, it is

under investigation, as it should be by the proper

legal authorities, by the District of Columbia Police,and by the FBI. I will not comment on those matters,particularly since possible criminal charges are

involved.

30.1 President Nixon news conference, June 22, 1972,

Page

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30.1 PRESIDENT GIXON AIMS CON E RE.XCE, J W E 22, l9Z2,

8 PREaSIDEXTIM LOCUSTS 1078-79

1078 WEEKLY COMPltATION OF PRESIDENTIAL DOCUMENTS, JUNE 26, 1972

in 1952 from Cornell and his Ll..B. from Harvard in

1955. He was admitted to the bar of the State of Califor

nia in 1956.

Erickson is married and has two children. He resides

in McLean, Va.

NOTE: The annotllleement was released at Key Biscayne, Fla.

United Nations Conference on theHuman Environment

Statement by the President on the Conference Held

June 5-16 in Stockholm. June 20, 1972

I have just received a report on the United Nations Con

ference on the Human Environment concluded last Fri-

day at Stockholm from Chairman Train who headed the

large and distinguished United States delegation.

The United States has worked long and hard over the

past 18 months to help make the Conference a success.

Representatives of 113 nations met together for 2 weeks

to produce an impressive number of agreements on envi

ronmental principles and recommendations for further

national and international action in this important field.

The United States achieved practically all of its objec

tives at Stockholm.

( I ) The Conference approved establishment of a new

United Nations unit to provide continued leadership and

coordination of environmental action, an important step

which had our full support.

(2) Thc Conference approved forming a $100 million

United Nations environmental fund which I personally

proposed last February.

( 3 ) The Conference overwhelmingly approved the

U.S, proposal for a moratorium on commercial killh.g

of whales.

(4) The Conference endorsed our proposal for an in

ternational convention to regulate ocean dumping.

(5) The Conference endorsed the U.S. proposal for

the establishment of a World Heritage Trust to help pre

serve wilderness areas and other scenic natural l.mdmarks.

However, even more than in the specific agreements

reached, I believe that the deepest significance of the

Conference lies in the fact that for the first time in history.

the nations of the world sat down together to seek better

understanding of each other's environmental problems

and to explore opportunities for positive action, incli

vidually and collectively.

TFr strong concern of the United States over the fate

of our environment has also heen demonstrated in our

direct dealings with individual nations. The Great lakes

Watcr Quality Agreement which I signed ill Ottawa this

April with Pfinlc Nfinistcr Trudc.lll was evidence of thc

high priority this Administration places on protecting thc

envirolllllent. 'I'hc Envhl)llmclltal Agleelllellt wlli(lo 1

l

signed in Moscow on Mar 23 is proof of the desire of our Nation to work together With the others on

the common tasks of peace.

I am proud that the United States is taking a leading role in international environmental

cooperation, and I congratulate our U.S. delegation on its success at Stockholm. The governments and

people of the \ orld must now work together to make the objectives of the Stockholm Conference a

reality.

THE PRESIDENT'SNEWS CONFERENCE OF

JUNE 22, 1972

T}IE PRESIDENT. Ladies andgentlemen:

Next •veek before the Congress recesses, I am planning to have a general news conference. Prior

to that time, in talking to Mr. Ziegler, I found that a number of members of the press, looking back at

previous news confercnces, have indicated that there is a tendency for foreign policy and defense

policy questions to dominate the conferences so much that questions on domestic policy do not

adequately get covered.

As a matter of fact, I have noted several of you in your commentaries, after some news

conferences, have indicated that we have not given enough attention to the domestic issues.

So, subsequently, after discussing the matter with Mr. Ziegler, I thought it would be useful this

weel;, on this occasion, to have you here in the office for the purpose of covering domestic issues

only. The session next ^seek trill be open to both foreign policy, defense policy, and domestic issues.

So, todav we will take all questions on domestic issues and ncxt week you can cover all three

areas to the extent you wish to.

BUGGING OF DENt~~RATIC HEADQUARTERS

O. Mr. O'Brien has said that the people who bugged his headquarters had a direct link to the

•Vhite House. Have you had any sort of investigation made to determine whether this is true?

TIIE PRESIDENT. Sir. Ziegler and also Wig. Mitchell, speaking for the campaign committee,

have responded to questions on this in grcat detail. They have stated my position and have also stated

the facts accurately.

This kind of activity, iIS AIr. Ziegler h.as indicated. has no place whatever in our electoral

process, or in our govcrllmelltal process. And, as Air. Ziegler has stated. thr \\'ilite Hollor has had 110

inxolxenlellt •shatever in this particular hlcitlcnt.

As f;tl as the rll;lttcr now is con.-clned, it is under in

I •-cStig.ttiorl, as it should loch b! the plOpC r ltgal authoxitics.

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30.1 PRESIDENT NIXON NEWS COFFERF.NCE, JEFF 22, 1972,

8 PRESIDEXTIAL ZCUE.UTS 1078-79

WEEKtY COMPltATION OF PRESIDENTIAL DOCUMENTS, JUNE 26, 1972 1079

Lby the District of Columbia police, and by the FBI. I will

llOt comment on those matters particularly since possible

criminal charges arc ins olved.

FOOD PRICES

Q. Atr. President, wholesale food prices have lead to in

creases in the cost of living ha the last few weeks. Are you

considering any kind of controls over the price of food?

THE PRESIDENT. In the whole area of inflation we have

had a period of pretty good news generally. As you know,

in 1969 and early 1970 the rate of inflation, the CPI,

peaked out at 6 percent. since that time it has been moving

doss n and particularly since the August 15 new poliev with

the control system was announced, it has now been cut ap

proximately in half, running at around the rate cf 3 per

cent. The most troublesome area however is the one you

have referred to—food prices.

We cannot take too much comfort from the figures that

came out yesterday because as vow know they actually

reflected a slight drop in food prices. I met yesterday, how

ever, with the Quadriad and Mr. Stein reported that the

weekly reports that we get, which, of course, were not re

flected in yesterday's numbers, indicate that meat prices,

particularly, are beginning to rise again and rising very

fast.

For that reason, I have directed that the Cost of Living

Council which wig be meeting this afternoon look into this

matter to see what further action can be taken to deal

specifically with food prices, but particularly with meat

prices.

STow with regard to meat prices, to give you an indi

cation of the direction of my thinking, you can move on

the control side. But as we all remember in that period

immediately after World War II, when we had controls

but too much demand and too little supply, and all the

black markets, controls alone will not work unless you also

move on the supply side.

At the present time, we have apparently a world short

age of meat, and particularly a shortage of meat in the

United States where the demand is constantly going up,

as the income of our people goes up.

\\'e have to get, therefore, at the problem of supply.

Consequently, one of the areas that I am exploring is

the quota system. I have directed our staff to check into

the advisability of a temporany lifting of quotas on im

ported meat which will move on the supply side. It will

not affect the problem immediately, but at least it would

affect it over the next few months.

That does not rule out, also, the possibility of moving

on the control side and the control side is a matter where

the Cost of Living Council is presently, or will he at 4

o'clock this afternoon, considering a number of options

which I will consider as the matter develops.

DEFENSE BUDGET AND SALT AGREEMENTS

Mr. President, this may be a borderline question in

the domestic ficld, but I believe it may fall there since

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the issues arc before Congress. Could you tell us your view of the relationship between the

develorrnent of offensive weapons, as proposed in your defense budget, and the SALT agreements?

THE PRESIDENT. I hate noted the progress of the debate in the committee, and particularly the controversy, or

alleged controversy and contradiction which seems in some quarters to have been developed between

the views of the Secretary of Defense and the views that I have expressed and the views that have

been expressed by Dr. Kissinger acid Secretary Rogers.

I think that I can put the thing in context bust by first pointing out the Secretany of Defense's

position, and then relating that position to the overall position of the United States in attempting to

develop policy that will adequately protect the security of the United States and also move forward

on the arms limitation front.

The Secretary of Defense has a responsibility, as I have a responsibility, to recommend to the

Congress action that will adequately protect the security of the United States. Shoving on that

responsibility, he has indicated that if the SALT agreement is approved, and then if the Congress

rejects the programs for offensive weapons not controlled by the SALT agreement, that this would

seriously jeopardize the security of the United States. On that point he is corTect.

What I would suggest to the Congress and would recommend to individual Congressmen and

Senators, who will have the responsibility of voting on this matter, is the following course: First, the

arms limitation agreements should he approved on their merits. I would not have signed those

agreements unless I had believed that, standing alone, they were in the interest of the United States.

As a matter of fact, the offensive limitation is one that is particularly in our interest because it covers

arms where the Soviet Union has on-going programs which will be limited in this 5-year period, and

in which we have no ongoing programs.

So, consequently, I would recommend and strongly urge that the Congress approve the ABM

treaty, and also the limited, temporary, oflensive limitations curb. However, after the Congress moves

in that field, all Congressmen and Senators—and this would, of course, include them all—who are

concerned about the security of the United States should then vote for those programs that will

provide adequate offensive weapons in the areas that have been recommended by the Secretary of

Defense and bv the Administration.

Now the reason for that is twofold: first, because if we have a SALT agreement and then do not

go forwaud with these programs, the Soviet Union will, within a matter of a very limited time, be

substantially ahead of the United States overall, particularly ill the latter part of the seventies.

If the United States falls hlto what is a definitely second position, inferior position to the Soviet

Union overran in its defense programs, this will be an open invitation for morc instability in lhc

world and an open invitation,

31. On June 23, 1972 H. R. Haldeman met with the President and

informed the President of the communication John Dean had received from

Acting FBI Director Gray. The President directed Haldeman to meet with

CIA Director Richard Helms, Deputy CIA Director Vernon Walters and John

Ehrlichman. Haldeman has testified that the President told him to ascertain

whether there had been any CIA involvement in the Watergate affair and whether

the relationship between some of the Watergate participants and the

Bay of Pigs incident was a matter of concern to CIA. The President

directed Haldeman to discuss White House concern regarding possible disclosure

of covert CIA operations and operations of the White House Special Inves

tigations Unit (the "Plumbers"), not related to Watergate, that had

been undertaken previously by some of the Watergate principals. The

President directed Haldeman to ask Walters to meet with Gray to express

these concerns and to coordinate with the FBI, so that the FBI',s inves

tigation would not be expanded into unrelated matters that could lead

to disclosure of the earlier activities of the Watergate principals.

31.1 H. R. Haldeman testimony, Subcommittee of the SenateAppropriations Committee, Hearings on PurportedAttempt to Involve the Central Intelligence Agency

...Page

.in the Watergate and Ellsberg Incidents, Executive

.Session, May 31, 1973, 353-54 356

31.2 President Nixon statement, May 22, 1973,

9 Presidential Documents 693, 696......

31.3 H. R. Haldeman testimony, 8 SSC 3040-41

31.4 H. R. Haldeman testimony, 7 SSC 2884

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31.1 H. R. HADDEMAX TESTI!~~O.SY, MAY 31, 1973,

SE.MATF APPROPRIATIONS SUBCOE.ITTF,E EXECUTIVE SF,SSIO.M, 353-54

Indistinct document retyped byHouse Judiciarv Committee staff

to meet with this committee and to clear up anything that I

can be helpful in cleating up in regard to the matter that

you have under inquiry.

I believe that the only area in which I can be helpful

to you in your investigation is with regard to the reported

meeting of White House and CLX officials last June.

g— In that regard, on June 23, 1972, John Ehrlichman and I

g were requested by the President to meet with Director Richard

Helms and Deputy Director Vernon Walters of the CIA.

To the best of my recollection, the purpose of this

meeting was f ive-f old:

One, to ascertain whether there had been any CIA involve

ment in the Watergate affair;

Two, to ascertain whether the relation between some of

the Watergate participants and the Bay of Pigs was a matter of

concern to C IA;

Three, to inform the CIA of an FBI request for guidance

regarding some aspects of the Watergate investigation because

of the possibility of CLN involvement, directly or indirectly;

I could interject there that this request had been made

known by John Dean, counsel to the President, and had been

transmitted by me to the President immediately upon being told

of it by John Dean.

The President, as a result of that, told me to meet

with Director Helms and General Walters and John Ehrlichman


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31.1 H. R. HALDEMN TESTIMONY, MAY 31, l9Z3,

SENATE APPROPRIATIONS SUBCOMIt.fITTEE EXF.CUTIVE SESSION, 353-54



to get into this matter as I am laying it out here.

The fourth purpose was to discuss White House concern

regarding possible disclosure of non-Watergate-related

covert CIA operations or other national security activities,

not related to Watergate, that had been undertaken previously

by some of the Watergate principles [sic].

Fifth, to request General Walters to meet with Acting

Director Gray of the FBI to express these concerns and to

coordinate with the FBI so that the FBI's area of investigation

of the suspects, the Watergate suspects, not be expanded

g into unrelated matters which could lead to disclosure of

| their earlier national security and CLi activities.

The meeting was held in Mr. Ehrlichman's office on the

afternoon of June 23 and, to the best of my recollection, all

of the above points were covered.

As I recall, Director Helms assured us that there was

no CIA involvement in the Watergate and also that he had no

concern from the CL&'s viewpoint regarding any possible con

nections of the Watergate personnel with the Bay of Pigs

operation. Helms told us he had given this assurance to

Gray directly.

Walters agreed to meet with Gray as requested. I do not

recall having any further communication or meeting with Walters,

Helms or Gray on this subject.

I do not specifically recall the question of Mexican



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31. 2 PRF,SIDF,#? NIXOF STATF1vE.NT, ~~.Y 22, 1973,

9 PRF.tSIDENTIAL DOCUMF.lsi'nS, 693, 696

PRESIDENTIAL DOCUMENTS: RICHARD NIXON, 1973

lS;unzig, ^sho is now all awsociatc judr,c of thc U.S. C{)Ul't

of Claims.

IvIr. Sampyon has becn Acting A(llllillistrator of CCI1

eral Scrsices sincc Junc 2, 19/9. Hc jOillCtI the Ccncral

Services Adltlinistration ill 19fi9 .xs Commissioner of thc

Fcderal Supply Scre icc. I ronl 1 97n to 1979 hc was Com

mi.ssioncr of the Public Buildings Scr+-icc in CSA and the

first Dcput! Admhlictrator of GS.\ for Special Projects.

Hc camc to thc Gcncral Serviccs Adlelinistr;ltion aftcr

6 years in Pcnn<xlxania Statc govenlrllent, whelc he was

secrctarv of admhlihtration itlld blt(lget secrctary undcr

Gov. Ra~~-molld P. ShaScr, and deputy secrctarx for pro-

curement, departmcnt of property and cupplicss ullder

Gov. \N'illiam st . Scranton. Prior to cntering goxernmcnt

scrxicc, hc was cmplo!cd by thc Gcncral Electric Co. for

19 years.

:\lr. Sampson ~~~~aK born 011 October 8, 1996, in XVarren,

R 1. Hc rctcised his B.S. degrec in husinc.ss adminis

tration frolll the l'nicrsity of Rhode Island in 1') 1 and

has donc gradll;ltc \ orl; at thc Gcorgc XVasllington

Unix cr'it!

Actisc in sevelal profeqsinll;li organizations, Afr. Samp

son was presclltccl the S!ncrg~~- 111 Awar(l for outstallding

contributions towar(l thc a(l~~;lncclmcnt of architerturc by

thc Socict! of Americall Rcgistered .\rchitccts in 19/').

In 19I3 hc W.IS selectc(l ;15 onc of thc Top Tcn Public

lt'orks SIcn of thc i'eal, and hc was nanlc(l ;m honorary

mcmber of thc :\mericall Institutc of .\rchitcets.

Hc and his wife, Blallcllc. havc four childrcn and rcsidc

ill \N'a<}willgtoll, n.C:.

XOTE For tlle Prrsid.~~nl's sl.lterl~~~~ It llroon nool.llnr ing his intrbntion

to nominale SIr. Sa(n;)se.ll, see th~~ Ier- cedi(lg itell~~.

Thc \N'atcr:,atc Ins-tstigation

Me, r~~Z~~tX ~~zts b) lS^c Presi(lsrlt. xlia) 22, 1973

Rccent news accoullts {nO\%illg out of testimony in thc

\N'atcrgatc ill\CStigiltiOIl' havc givell grossly misleadillg

imprcisions of In;ln! of lilC fart>. as thc! rclatc lsoth to mv

OWI1 roiC ;llld to certahl unl(l.ltc(l actizitics hlz-olxing 11a

tional secllrits.

Alrcad!-. on tllc i).l9iS of SCCOIlkl- an(l third-hand hcaloay

testimon! h! persons eithe r COIIE it tctl 01' th(^lllscives ulldcr

investigati°ll hl th(: (';INC, 1 h.lvc f~~~~nwltl m!sclf accusc(l ()f

innolecrllent in actixities I nceer hcarel of until I r...d

abollt them ill new~~ accollnts.

Thesc imprcKciolls { ould ods0 ie;lel to a scriouc IlliKllll(l(*r

standillg of those natioll.ll Ket uritv iItitiX'itiCS wllich. thm,gh

totail! ulllei;lted to \\ aten~~;lte. h;lve i)(:eOIllc clltalllglcd ill

thc casc. ~~'hc! •-,,,,ld lead to fulther COlllpl'OllliSC of SCIISi

tivc 1latiollal sccurity huronllati<sll.

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693

I will not abandon my rcsponsibilitics. I will continue to do the jol) l was clected to do.

In thc accompan,ving statement, I have set forth the facts as I know them .rs thcs rclate to my own role.

lVith regard to thc specific allegations that have been made, I can and do statc categorically:

1. I, had no prior knowledge of the NVatergate operation .

2. I took no part in, nor ls as I aware of, any subsequent efforts that ma>- havc bcen made to cover up XVatcrgatc.

3. At no timc did I authorize anv offer of executive clemency for thc XVatergate defendants, nor did I know of any such

offcr.

4. I did not know, until the time of my own in^;estigation, of any effort to provide the XVatergate defendants with funds.

5. }st no time did I attempt, or did I authorize others to attempt, to implicate thc CIA in the lVatergate mattcr.

6. It •vas not until the timc of my own investigation that I learned of thc break-in at thc office of SIr. Ellsberg's

piychiatrist, and I specificallv authorized thc furnishing of this infonmation to Judge Byrne.

7. I ncither authorized nor encouraged subordinates to cngagc in iliegal or improper campaign tactics.

In thc accompanxing statemcnt, I have sought to providc thc hackground that may placc recent allegations in perspectivc.

I hax c specifically stated that executive privilegc evill not hc invol;cd as to anv testimony concernillg possible criminal

conduct or discu.ssions of possible crhtlinal conduct, in thc mattcrs under investigation. 1 want thc public to icarn thc truth

about lVatergate and thosc guiltE of ans illegal actions brought to justice.

~~\llegations surrounding the RVatcrgatc afTair have so cscalated that I fccl a further statemcnt from the President is

required at this time.

Zs climate of sensationalism has dctcloped in zvhich cvcn second- or thirti-hand hcarsas; charges are headlined as fact

and repeated .ms fact.

Important national security operations evhich themsclxes had 110 conllection ^sith \N'ater~~ate have become cntanglcd

in thc c.X<c.

,Xs a rcsult. somC national Cccurits information has allcads berll made pululic thrnulTh court orders, through the

subpocnaillg of docllnlonts, and throutTh tcstimonv ssitncsscs havc given in judiciai and Con,r>rcssional procc(dill(-s. C)tller

SCllSitiVC documcnts arc nosf thrcatened ssith disclosurc. Contintled silencc ahout thosc operations ~~souid contpromisc

rather than protcct them, and •sould also screc tO perpetuatc a gro.ssix distorted viexv—xvhich rctcllt partiati disclocurcs h:lvc

gixcn—of the naturc and purposc of those operatiolls.

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31.2

696

7 PRESIDE7.ST NIXON STATEENT, MY 22, 1973,

9 PRESIDF.NTIAL ZCUE.NTS 69 3 e9 6

PRESIDEN1IAL DOCUhlENTS:

rcc.orsls hlv im4 hecn rcn)os t d \N ith th( rllallgc .,r adnlirlistrltio(ls) and sshiCl horc directly on thc 1lcgoti;vtions tllen

in progrcss. tXdditional assigmnCIltS inrlllelcd tra(:ing doxvrl other national securits Icaks, irlcludillg onc that

s~~tiollsly comprornised thc U.S. ncgotiatins porition in the SALT talks.

Thc ssorl; of the unit tapered off around thc end of 1971. Thc naturc of its ~~sorl; svas such that it involvcd mattcrs

that, from a nationai security standpoint, herc highly sensitize then and remain so today.

Thcse intclligencc ae-tix itics had no connection svith the brcal;-in of the Democratic hcadqllartcrs, or the

aftcrmath.

I considered it my rcsponsibility to sec that the •Vatergate investigation did not impinge ads-erscly upon the

national security area. For example, on April 18, 1973, lvhen I learned that hIr. Hunt, a former mcmber of thc Special

Investigations Unit at the White House, was to be qucstioned by the U.S. Attorney, I directed Assistant Attomey General

Petersen to pursllc every issue involving Watergatc hut to confine his investigation to Watergate and related matters and

to stay out of national security matters. Subsequentlv, on April 9 i, 1973, Attorney General Kleindienst informed me that

bccause the Gonernment had clcar exidence that WIr. Hunt w.ts involxed in the brcak-in of thc ofElce of the psvehiatrist

~~vho had treated WIr. Ellsl)crg, hc, the Attorne) Gcneral, helieved that despite the fact that no evidence had been

obtained from Hunt's acts, a report should nevcrthelcss be made to the court tr,ing the Ellsberg casc. I roncurrcd, and

directed that the information be transmitted to Judgc Byrne immediately.

XVATERCATE

The burglary and buerrin, of the l)cmocratic I\'ational Committee headquarters camc as a complete surpri.se to me.

I had no in6;ling that anv such iliegal actix itics had becn planned by persons arsociated ~~.ith my campaign; if I had

ionossn, I zzould not hase permittcd it. WIy immcdiate reaction xv.xs that thoce guilty should he brought to justice, and,

svith thc fiX-e burglars thcmselvcs already in custody, I awsumed that they svould he.

Within a few daxs. howexer, I ^s.sc advised that there was a possibiiity of CIA involxcmcnt in some ssay.

It did scem to mc poRsil)lc that, hecausc of the inxolvement of fomler C:IA persomll l, and hccallsc of some of

their apparcnt assori;ltions, thc inlcKtigati(lll could Icad to th(- tmcoxerillg of co\-crt t-fA op(rations totall) ullrclatc(l to

thc Watcrgatc brrale-in.

In a(ldition, hy this tilllC, thc llalllc of NIr. Plunt hacl surf;lel d ill rollll.:ctioll ssith lVatcrgate, illld 1 sv.xi alr. rtcd

to thc fact that hc hil(l previollsly hta ll a mtlllller of the Spt cial Ins cstigatiflno Ullit ill thc \N'hitc l{ollse. Tht reforc~~

I \ as alho collceno~~~~l that thc \N'atcrg;ltc hl~~chtigation mi~~^flt xvcll lcol(l to all hlqliiry illtO tllc acthitics of thc

Special Illvcstigatil)ns Unit itsclf.

: RICHARD NIXON, 1973

In this arca, I felt it \s.xi imps>rtant to avoid disclosurc of IhC dctails of tilC n;ltion.ll security mattcrs ssith zhich thc

group ssas conccrn(d. I knczv that once thc cxistencc of thc ,,roup bccamc Imoxnn, it svould Icad inexorably to a dixussion

of thcsc mattcrs, somc of \ hich remaina even today, highlv sensitive.

I svanted justice donc xvith rcgard to l\'atergate; hut in the scalc of national priorities lvith xvhich I had to deal— and

not at that time having any idca of thc extent of political abusc ~~shich Watcrgatc rcNccted—I also had to he deeply

conccrned zith ensuring that neither the coverc operations of the CIA nor the operations of the Special Investigations Unit

shouid be compromised. Therefore, I instructed Alr. Haldeman and WIr. Ehrlichman to ensure that the investigation of thc

brea};-in not expose either an unrelated covert operation of the CIA or the actiz ities of the Whitc Housc investigations

unit—and to sec that this was personally coordinatcd between General lgalters, the Deputy Director of the CIA, and Alr.

Gray of the FBI. It was certainl,v not my intent, nor my •vish, that thc in

| sestigation of the XVatersate break-in or of relatcd act~~s ~~,mpeded in any wav.

On Julv 6, 1972, i tclephoncd the Acting Director of the FBI, L. Patrick Crav, to congratulate him on his succesqful

handling of thc hijacking of a Pacific Southsvest Airlines plane thc prceious day. During the consersation Alr. Gray

discusscd svith me the progrcss of the Watcrgate investigation, and I aslied him ~~vhether he had talked xs ith Ccncral •\

'altcrs. WIr. Gray said that he had, and that Gcncral lfiraltcrs had ,-rccured him that the CIA svas not inxolved. In the

discuccion, AIr. Cray suggestcd that the matter of lVaterga(e might Icad higher. I told him to press ahead with his

investigation

It now secms that iatcr, through svhatever complex of indixidual motixes and possible misunderstandings, there

~~~~cre apparcntly sside-ranging cfforts to limit the investigation or to conceal the pocsiblc hlvolvement of members of

the Aclministration and the campaign committee.

I was not asvarc of any such cfforts at the time. B'cither, unti'i aftcr I bcgan my osvn inxestigation, W.tS I assare of

an,v fundraishlg for defcndants convietcd of the break-in at Dcmocratic hcadsluartcrs, mtlch less authori%e anV such

fundraising. ~~'or did I authorize any offer of eXccutive clemcncs for any of thc defcnclants.

In thc sseclic ancl months th. t followed \\'atcrgat(, I aslued for, and rcocisccl. repeatcei aCsuranccs that ?^fr. Dcall s

owxn ill\'CSti~~.ltiOII (ssllich inchld(d rex-icz~~-inffl filcs and Sittillg ill on irnl hltenicsss ~~tith \\'hitc Housc

perSOllllCI ) 11ad clcareci cx-cryonc thl ll cmplosed b! thc \\'hite

.)~~isc of ill~~ellxclllent.

In sulllnlal !, tht n:

( I ) I hacl no izricor kllo~~s lcdgc nf tl:c •N'atcrg ttc buggillg npe ratilxll, or of ;111! illl g;ll stln cill.lllec actis-

iticas for politiral purposcs.

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Volume 9_Numbof 'tl

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31.3 H.R. IZALDE~~V TESTIMONY JUDY 31 1973 8 S,SC 30d0-41~~ ~~ ~~ -

3040

Mr. DASH. At that meeting do you recall that there vas X General

discussion as to what happened. what information Divas current con

cerninr, the break-in and the relationship with the committee?

Mr. HALDE3IAX. I have no specific recollection of the contents of that

meeting but I am sure, that given the time situation, that it must have

been in regard to the Watergate break-in.

Atr. DASH. Nonv, it is true, if you look at your record that during

that period right after you get back there are about two or three meet

in,as on different days.

AIr. ~~'tLDEGLNN. Yes.

Atr. D TSH. I think you met with him on the Roth, on the 23d, and on

the 96th. Does your record show that ?

AIr. H~LDEOtAN-. I show-—there is an example now of my log of

June 20 that does not show a meeting with those people that I haveidelltified. that I have got in my summary here as a result of informa.ion from other sources. B'hat mV log shows is a meeting in JohnE;hriichman's office which is all my secretary would know. She didn't

linoiv Who svas in the meeting.

;Nk. DASH. Right.

fir. HALDE)[AN-. I am sorry then you svere Going

AIr. D VSH. I svas saying do you have a record of a meeting with 3tr.

Dean on the 93d and again on the 96th after the meeting with him onthe 90th q

fair. H.-\LDE)tAN'. Not in the log, no. The 23d ?

WIr. DASH. Yes.

3tr. HALDEAt.-\N. It doesn't show me I don't believe.

AIr. D.\SH. Do J'OU have it in the summary that you have received

from other sources?

AIr. HALDENIAN-. No; that doesn't show a meeting with Dean, either.

I think I talked with Dean on the phone that day that morning I

don't believe I met with him but I am not sure.

Atr. DASH. You indicated in VOUI earlier testimonv that Atr. Dean

did rive vou a report of what happened and told vou at that time that

he had told you earlier about telling VOu after one of the meetings.

Collld vou place in ant one of those meetings when he told )-011 ?

Atr. H.\LDEAts\N'. No; I can't.

AIr. DASH. WNrould it be vour recollection that it nvonld be during

that meek when vou got back ?

Atr. H.\LDEA[.\N'. blot necessarilvs no. As I say, the only meeting that

I see with Dean durina that week lvas the meeting in Fir. Shrlichman's

office on the 20th apparentlv.

r AIr. WASH. Did the President either communicate with 5'011 or did

| you have a meeting with the President priors shortlv prior, to Julle

I 93^ 1972 ?

Ak. HALDE5rAN. I arn sure I did. Do VOII avant me to check ?

WIr. T.).\SH. You met fre(luentl) n ith the President so vou—

Fir. HAT,DEAtAN'. Yes, sir.

AII&. ~~.\SII. So you are pretty Sure you can find such a meeting ?

T.)o VOII recall prior to that meeting on Tune 23. the President havinga discussion lvith VOII concerning the investisratioll that lvould be onoin(t with regard to the Watergate break-in and a concern he hadthat such an investigation bV the FBI might include the work of the

special investiraatinrt unit in the lVllite House and also the CI -t ?

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LAtr. HALDENI.\S-. STot prior to the 23d. I do recall such on the 23d.

Air. D -USES. On the 23d ?

Arr. HALDEAtAN'. Yes, sir.

fir. D VSH. WVas that on the 23d itself ?

Air. HALDE5IAN-. Yes. sir.

Air. D.\SEI. Is that what prompted your having a meeting with Fir.

Helms and Air. Walters on the i.3d ?

AIr. H. VLDENIAN. Yes.

AIr. DASH. knd A:Ir. Haldeman, could you tell us what was the purpose of that meetinffl SVit711 Air. Helms and Sir. Walters; what you said

and what they said ?

ZIr. HALDE31AN. OE.

Fir. D XSH. To the best of your recollection.

Zrr. HALDE3L&N-. I have covered that in my statement and I—I don't

mow how much detail you want to get into on that. I have made amore detailed statement before another Senate committee that is looking2 into this matter in considerable detail and I would be glad to read

that statement or put it into your record.

far. D.XSH. Let me just ask Syou this question because I think we do

have your statement.

Fir. HALDE3fAN-. Yes, sir.

Mr. DASH. And I think we also have your more detailed statement

that has been submitted to us.

Mr. HALDEMAN. OK.

Mr. DASH. Mr. Helms and Fir. Walters have recounted their recol

lection of the meetinffl and Fir. Walters has testified, and providedmemorandums indicating that at that meeting he was, in effect, orderedby you to fflo to see Mr. Grav and tell Fir. Gray that an investigationof the Watert ate matters might uncover CIA activities and, therefore,

to restrict the investigation to such an extent as not to do that.

Do vou recall that such a conversation took place ?

Mr. HALDE)fAN. Well, without—I am not sure of the accuracy and I

don't think you want to get into the specifics of Fir. Walters' testimon V. I think vou are asking for my recollection of that conversation.

Mr. DASH. Yes.

Mr. HALDE5TAN. So without commenting on either of the accuracy

of Fir. Walters' recollection or vour recitation of it. because he hasgiven a number of different statements and depositions in this thingthat malQe it rather COmD4eX, but the meeting one of the purposes ofthe meeting, as assigned to me by the President on the mornina ofthe SUd when he told me to haves to have me and Ehrlichman to meetwith Director Helms and Deputy Director Walters, in addition toascertaining whether there was any CIA involvement, whether therewas anv C'TA concern about earlier activities of people who had beenarrested at the ~~Vatervate, was to tell the CIA Directors that the FBIhad expressed concern that as to whether there was CIA involvement

or s~~nv impingement

Fir. n USA. Did von know at that time Fir. Helms had actually told

Fir. (^TrnV the day before on the 90d, that there. was no CIAinvolvement 2

Atr. HALDE5T \N-. I did not know that prior to our meeting with BIr.

Helms and Atr. Walters.

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31. 4 X, R. HALDFMM' TESTIAIOD'Yj JULY 30~~ 19 ?31 7 SSC ?884

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is that the President was not directly involved himself and he wasnot told by anyone until Larch, when he intensified his onvn investigation. Even then, he xvas given conflicting and unverified reports thatmade it impossible to determine the precise truth regarding AVater

gate or the coverup and, at the outset at least, he seas relying primarlly on one man, John Dean, who has admitted that he lvas a major par

ticipant in the illegal and improper coverup, a fact unknown to the

President until March 1973.

Any attempt on my part at this time to try to identify those who

participated in, directed, or knelv of the illegal coverup wvould of ne

cessits be based totally on hearsay.

CONTAINMENT

There vas a concern at the White House that activities which had

been in no way related tc. Watergate or to the 1972 political campaign,and which were in the ares of national security, -.vould be compromisedin the process of the Watergate investigation and the attendant publicity and political furor. The recent public disclosure of the FBIwiretaps on press and NSC personnel, the details of the Plumbers

operations, and so on, fu ly justifies that concern.

As a result of this concern and the FBI's request through Pat Gray

to John I)ean for guidance regarding some aspects of the Watergateinvestigation, because of the possibility of CIA involvement, the President directed John Ehrlichman and me to meet with the Director andDeputy Director of the CIA on June 23. We did so and ascertainedfrom them that there had not been any CIA involvement in the WNratergate affair and that there was no concern on the part of Director Helmsas to the fact that some of the Watergate participants had been involved in the Bay of Pigs operations of the CIA. T\~e discussed theVhite House-concern regarding possible disclosure of ntn-Watergate-related covert CIA operations or other nonrelated national securityactivities that had been undertaken previously by some of the Watergate participants, and xve requested Deputy Director l.Valter3 to meetwith Director Gray of the FBI to express these concerns and tocoordinate with the FBI, so that the FBI's area of investigation ofthe Watergate participants not be expanded into unrelated mattersvhich could lead to disclosures of earlier national security or CIA

activities.

Walters agreed to meet with Gray as requested. I do not recall

having any other communication, or meetings with Walters, Helms, orGray on this subject. I did not, at this meeting, or at any other time,ask the CIAO to participate in any M.ratereate coverup, nor did I eversuggest that the CIA take any responsibility for the AN'atergate breakin. I believe that the action I took with the CI t seas propel, according

to the President's instructions, and dearly in the national interest.

There revere a number of nesvsp.tper stories and allegations raised

during the period following the Watergate brenl<-ill that posed nevfquestions regarding the facts of A:N'ater~~.lte or related nlattels. •Vhell

ever an>, such questions arose. the Prt~~sitlent xvonld a(Taill ask tllat. thefacts be ascertained and macle kllonvn publielv as completely and

tltliclcly as possible but there allvavs seemed to~l)e sonle reason Vfhy

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32. In the early afternoon of June 23, 1972 John Mitchell, Campaign

Director of CRP, met with Maurice stans, Chairman of FCRP, in Mitchell's

office. They discussed the Dahlberg and the Mexican checks. stans knew at

that time that these checks were campaign contributions that Hugh Sloan,

Treasurer of FCRP, had given to Gordon Liddy to be converted to cash.

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32.1 John Mitchell testimony, 4 SSC 1659 .- ......................................................................................................364

32.2 Maurice stans testimony, 2 SSC 725 365

32.3 Maurice stanS testimony, 2 SSC 699-701 366

32.4 Maurice stanS testimony, 2 SSC 748 369

32.5 Hugh Sloan testimony, 2...................................................SSC 575-76 .........................................................................................................................37Q

32.6 Maurice stans calendar, June 23, 1972 (received from SSC).372

32.7 John Mitchell log, June......................................................23, 1972 (received from SSC) 373

32.8 Maurice stans telephone records, June 23, 1972

(received f rom SSC ) ....

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32.1 JOHN MRCI7ELL TESTIMONY, JULY 10, 1973, 4 tSSC 1659

1659

3rr. AIITC~~LL This was not collected, this was held except for one

item, and I am sure. the staff is much more familiar with AIr. Stans'record than I am but I think he testified that the $7D,000 was made upof 95.000 that he had in a safe deposit box that came from the 1968campaign and S.30,000 that had come from some Filipinos who wereto be returned; if I am not mistaken that is the Sj75,000 and he did not

come to me on it.

Senator T.\L3IAXE. There was a great deal of testimony that this

cormnittee has had, as you know, about disbursement of fltnds, and wefound that over a million dollars was disbursed in cash with 110 checksto support it or anything else. Some cash was bandied around in largeamounts, and it lvas amazing to me that a man as able, a certified ptiblie ac~~eountantY as Mr. Sta-ns vould let money be handled in such aloose fashion. You would concur that you ought not Lick around a mil

lion dollars in cash without accountability, wouldn't you ?

AIr. .)~~TC~~ I would subscribe to that wholeheartedly, in fat I

would go down to half a million or a quarter of a million.

Senator T.&LMA~~E. Or Ellen $1.

AIr. .)~~TC~~LL. I agree with that.

Senator TALM trwE. Nolv, you mentioned these Dahlbere and Alexi

can cheeks. LIr. stans testified that you met with him on June 23, 19~~ 2.

regarding those checks, is that a correct statement?

Afro MITCHELL. Yes, sir. If I remember correctly, WIr. stans and I

had lunch 011 that day and eve had a further meetmg which has been

totally screwed Itp in the testimony here on the 94th.

Senator T.-\LAIADGE. Do you want to try to correct it ?

Mr. SATCHEL. I would be delighted because of the various versions

and it was a matter of some concern of this committee because of the

is implication theft Atr. Stans was brought into the picture of having in-| formation about the Watergate. which is not true.| With respect to the 23d, to the best of my knolvledee it does show

that 3Ir. Stans and I had lunch in my diary. ~~Nolv the Itll. this is thesequel of tile 3Iardian-LaRue debriefing or intervielvin~~ of LiddV andthe information they got from WIag,ruder's involvement with Liddvin the payment of monev and it resulted in Alarrlian goinffl to talk toXta,.rruder, and getting this story threat it eras only 90.000 at the mostthat I could have given Liddy or whatever the number lvas $@,000 or$ta0,000, and this, of courses comas quite contrary to what Ak. Liddv had

told AIr. WIardian.

So 3Lardian came up and got my secreta i to to,et Sloan in from his

house into the office, the 24th being a Satulday where there lvas thisconfrontation and, by the lvay, I lvould like to interpolate here thatthis is the onlv meeting that I ever had with Huorh Sloan at anv timeafter June Is and it wasn't in connection with his goincr to the FBI

as he has testified to.

The meeting took place with WIardian, Magruder. and Sloan. in

which Ata(Trtldel xvas saving, "5lrell, it couldn't hare been more thanS40,00() or $Z0,000'' and Sloan was saving, sort is much, much more thanthat. Btlt I lVOII+t tell vou because I am °gOillg,~~ to have to talli to Ate.

Stans."

End this is. bx the waV, where I Fill also have to put the record

straight. Sloan avas a pretty love individual on that particular day and

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32.2 MAURICE STATS TF,.STTMDNY ,TI/vR 1.S 1.q7.R p .c.se 7Qg

Senator GURNEY. Did you have any phone calls?

Sir. STANS. None that my records show.

Senator GURNEY. Do you recall any?

Mr. STANS. I do not recall any.

Senator GUR),tEY. At some point in time, of course, you learned, as

we all have, about Watergate, the people who were the key people init and to the best of vollr recollection when did you learn aboutWatergate and who were the key people in it and from whom?

NIr. STANS. The first thing I learned about Watergate, to the best

of ma recollection was 011 June 93 when I received a call from FredLaRue, as I testified yesterday, and he said: "Do you know KennethDahlberg?"

And I said: "Yes, I know Kenneth Dahlberg very well."

He said: "Well, did you know that his contribution ended up inthe bank account of one of the fellows who was arrested in the

Watergate?"

And I said: "To the best of my knowledge Mr. Dahlberg didn'tmake a contribution, particularly in that amount of money that you

mentioned."

He said: "Well, we had better talk about it."So he came down to my office and we reviewed the situation. I

recalled, of course, the circumstances under which Dahlberg had givenus the check, and we called Dahlberg on the phone and got him tocome to Washington to review the whole matter. That is my first

knowledge of the Watergate situation.Senator GURNEY. Did you ever discuss it 5sith John Mitchell at an~~

time near this point in time? That is June 17.

Mr. STANS. Well, I would be sure that I discuss-d this nith JohnMitchell on a number of occasions and my records show that the firsttime I talked to John Mitchell after the 17th was on the 23d •vhen wehad lunch in his office. I am not sure what the conversation was about.Whenever I met faith Mitchell I usually had a list of five or six things totalk about. I would not presume that we didn't talk about the Watergate. I am sure it •vas a subject of interest but certainly not about whoand when and why.

Senator GURNEY. Did LaRue come to you in Januarv 1973, thisyear, and ask you for the names of some of the larger contributors to

the campaign?

NIr. STANS. Yes; I reported that to the staff of the committee. Heasked me for the names of some contributors to whom he might go

for money for a White House project.Senator GURNEY. What was the project?

WIr. ,STAN8. He didn't tell me.

'SeZtor GURNEY. Did you ask him?Mr. STANS. No; I did not. LIr. LaRue again was a man of high

standing in the campaign. He had been assistant to John Mitchell.There were no revelations at that time involving him in any-thing

and I had total confidence in anything SIr. LaRue told me.

Senator GURNEY. Have you ever conferred with John Mitchell,

Magruder, Haldeman, Ehrlichman, Dean or anybodv else on the coverup of Wateraate7

SIr. STANS. I have no recollection of anv discussion with anvone

about the coverup on the Watergate until after the disclosures that

have occurred within the last 2 months.

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32. 3 MAURICE STATS TEtSTIZGY, JWE 12, 1973, 2 SSC 699-701

699

checks, $89,000 drawn on a Mexican bank account. I think it is timefor you in your own words to describe what you know about that, what

you did about it, and who vou discussed the matters about it with.

Mr. STANS. I will be happy to tell you because I do not think the full

story has ever been told in one place before. This is my recollection of

the sequence of events.

On April 3 of last year, I received a telephone call from Bill Liedtke,

who was then our finance chairman in the State of Texas. He said, "Ihave a U.S. citizen residing in Texas, who is a propsective contributorfor 8100,0()0, but he wants to give it in U.S. funds that are now in

SIexico. Is this legal?"

I said, "I am quite sure it is, but let me check again and I will call

you back."

I checked with our counsel, found out it was perfectly legal for a

RJ.S. citizen to give any foreign funds he wanted, and called back to

Liedtke and told him so.

flow, the next thing that I knew about the transaction was after

April 22, when I came back from a vacation, and at a meeting Ilearned from WIr. Sloan that on April 5, WIr. Liedtke's representative,Rov Winchester, had brought to Washington to the committee$100,000 in the form of a contribution from an unnamed person; thatit was in the form of checks drawn on knerican banks by a Mexicanbank; that he was not sure how to handle checks of that nat tre; andthat he set them aside. They had clearly arrived before the change inthe law on April 7. He set them aside to talk to counsel for the com

mittee and did so the following week.

The committee counsel suggested that they be reconverted into

cash, into dollars, and took the checks from Sloan for that purpose.

So when I got back from my vacation, as I said, I found out about

the checks, I found out he had given them to counsel, and I found out

thatthe proceeds ofthe checks had not yet been returned.

At this point, I was of the understanding that the four checks

totaled $100,000, and I did not know until I read in TiIne magazine somewhere along the line there that the four checks totaled only

$89,000 and that $11,000 of the $100,000 was in currency.

Now, from here on, I have to quote what SIr. Sloan said, because T

had not seen the checks nor did I see the proceeds of the checks comeback to him. But according to him, the proceeds of the checks cameback to him less a collection fee of $2,500 that was imposed on it, andhe held the money and included it in a bank deposit that was made on

May 25.

Now, that is my recollection of the transaction. You may have other

c.7lac:tiang f.he..t, it.

r Sir. EDS[ISTEN. No, I wiU leave those for the Senators.

Alr. STANS. I would like to point out, though, that the General

AccoltntinC Office has conchtded that the funds were properly received

before April 7 and that there xvas no requirement to report them.

Air. EDLIISTEN. Now, what clicl vote have to do rvith the so-called

Dahlberg check? Aeon received checks, did you IlOt, from AIr. Dald

bercr?

Air. STANS, Yes. AIay I recite the details of that transaction as I

vmderstall(l it?

Air. EDAIISTEN. Yes.

AIr. STANS. Kenneth Dnhlberrr, as I recollect it, axons a meml)er of

the early finllllce comnlittee \X-orkincr in the State of Minnesota tmdD~~s-ayme ,-~n(llcas seas a Alinllcsota resident Nacho also had a place of

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32.3 LAURIE SMNS TESTIMONY, JU^5ZE 12. 1973. 2 ,SSC 699-701

700

living in Florida, in a hotel that he owned. As I understand it fromDahlberg, somewhere around as early as January, Andreas said: "I

avant to help the President's campaign and I avid give you 825,000when you get around to it." He confirmed that to Dahlberg in

February.In SIarch, on the 12th, and this I get from Andreas, he decided to

get the money in hand and he decided to make the contribution incash because he lvas a close friend of Hubert Humphrey and a contributor to SIumphrey's campaign as well as a friend of the President,

and he wanted to achieve all the anonymity he could achieve.(An Alarch 12, he instructed his secretary to get together $25,000

of rnonev, which he did, from a tax-paid account, and put it in anenvelope to be given to WIr. Dahlberg on the 15th of Alarch at ameeting of a board of directors of a bank of which both Dahlberg andAniPeas were directors. Unfortunately, on the 14th, Dahlberg foundsuddenly that he had to go to Europe to deal with the affairs of anafiiiated company there, and he could not attend the meeting. SoAnthers continued to hold the money in an envelope.

On the 5th of April, having in mind the change in the law thatwould take place in the next day or so, Andreas, in Florida, called

Dahlberg in Minnesota and said:

I stir have tit money. I would like to give it to you before the change in the

lamr; can you pick it up?

And Dahlberg said:

I cannot get dolt there before the 7th. I will get down there on the 7th and

arrange it to pick it up.

Andreas said:

Well, I Rant the contribution to be made now, made effective norm So I vwill

put it in an envelope in your name and put in the safe deposit box in the hotelin your name. You can pick it up whenever you are ready, but I avant the understanding between you and me that title has passed and it is your money and yolt

n accept it as of today.

Dahlberg said, "I do," and called me and relayed the transaction,and I advised him on the basis of legal advice that I had alreadvreceived that a commitment of that nature was properly n contribution before April 7 and when received Would not have to be reported.

On April 7, Dahlberg went to the hotel in Florida, but arrived toolate t • pick up the money because the safe deposit box had been closed.He talked to Andreas on the 8th and arranged for the t~~vo to gettogether on the 9th, and at Dahlberv's request, Andreas took themoney out of the safe deposit box and delivered it to Dahlberg onthe 9th.

On the 10th, Dahlberg bought a cashier's check for that because hedid not want to carry that amount of monev around with him fromFlorida to Washington, where he was due on the 11th for a meeting ofall of our State finance people on our committee.

On the lithe at an internlission in the meeting, Dahlberg endorsedthe check and har;decl it to me, with the explanation that, "This isthe moneV from Andreas." And I had a full accounting of the sequence

of the transaction tlp to that Late.I thereupon, the same day, IIS cluicklv as possible, Gave the check

to the treasurer, explained to hinl the backgrotllld that this NVtlS mone~~that had been contributed before the 7th, an(l asked him to clotermirVe

the accounting handling of the check.

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32, 3 stSURICE SHADES TESTIRN!. JUDE 12. 1973. 2 DISC 699-701

The treasurer, not being sure, discussed it with the general counsel

for the committee and the general counsel suggested that he take the

check and convert it into cash. The treasurer gave him the check.

lN'onv, again, I can report what the treasurer has saicl, that he did

not get the proceeds of the check back until some time in Slay. Hereceived them in fttll and they were deposited in a bank account on

NIav 25.

Now, as to those two transactions and several others in a similar

categoric we treated that as cash ore hand on April 7 and reported itin the report of the media Committee To Re-Elect the President, inthe aIr.olmt of $300,000, and that exact amount of 8350,000 was de-positeci in that committee's bank account on SIay 25. AVe felt that wehad complied with every requirement of the law as to the handling

and reDorting of that money we had accounted for it fulls-.

she General Accounting Office subsequently cited our committee

for a possible violation of the law in failing to report the $25,000. Butthe Department of Justice, in a letter some months later, concludedthat there was no violation of the law in the handling of that trans

. action.

NIr. EDAIISTEN. WIr. Stans, when was the first time that you learned

that these checks had cleared through a bank account of Bernard

Barker?

WIr. STANS. It was well after the Watergate event of June 17.

Mr. EDNIISTEN. Now, shortly after that, did you have anv discus

sions with Mr. John Mitchell or anyone at the White House concerning

any of these checks during the week immediately following?

WIr. STANS. I don't recall any specific conversation with John

Mitchell, but I do recall a conversation with Fred LaRue and subse-

quently with Robert Nlardian.

SIr. EDNIISTEN. NVhat did you talk about?

Mr. STANS. As I recall it, it was the morning of the 23d of June,

which was 6 days after the Watergate affair. I received a phone call

from Fred LaRue, saving, "Do you know Renneth Dahlberg?"

And I said, "I certainly do."

He said, "Well, his contribution ended up in a bank account of one

of the felloxvs who was arrested."

I said, "Dahlberg didn't make a contribution."

He said, "NVell, it is his check."

So he came doxvn and we discussed it and concluded that, in some

manner or other, Dahlberg's check must have reached the bank

recount of Bernard Barker.

Erie called Dahlberg and discussed it smith him, got him to B'ash

inaton on that same day, met with him, and he met with LaRue andJ think Keith Nlardian, and got all the facts of the transaction in hand.It was clear that neither Dahlberg nor I nor Hugh Sloan had anythingto do with the checks, that check or the Mexican checks, entering theBarker bank account. Thev could onlv have gotten there through thehands of our general counsel, Gordon Liddv, cvho had taken theist into

1|_ lliS custom-.

Sir. EDAIISTEN. Air. Stuns, I am going to skip along I don't avant

to encroa(h on the committee. At one time did vou awupro~~-e or consent

to gising Air. Fred LaRIle 88(),000?

Air. KSTAXS. Yes, I did. Would vou like to know the back(>roulld of

that?

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32.4 lAURICE STASS TESTI~~PJY, JU.VE 13, 1973, 2 StSC 748

748

Senator TALhIADGE. Then that raises this question, SIr. Stans: Thy

did you allow WIr. Sloan, contrary to your explicit instructions, tocasually report to you only several weeks later the deposit of the$25,000 check received from Mr. Dahlberg and 889,000 check in

Mexican bank checks?

Mr. STANS. Well, Senator, I fairly well covered that in my testimon~~

) esterday.

The fact is that I was not aware that the Mexican bank checks had

even been received until I got back from mV vacation around the 24thof April. The fact also is that the record shows that, before I Invent onthat vacation, I left a memorandum of things to be done by the staff,and one of the items was a request for Sir. Sloan to balance up his

cash as soon as possible.

5'o~~.X-, fair. Sloan had given those checks to WIr. Lidda.-, he folloxved

up with WIr. Skiddy and I think his testimony is that };e folio~~ved upseveral times, and Lidds- said, "It takes time to get that money back."

AIr. Sloan did gret the money back in early or midday and deposited

it.

I think the follolvup wvas as thorough as we could have expected it

to be.

Senator TAL5IADGE. But you got the Dahlberg check personally,

I believe, did vou not?

Mr. STANS. Yes, it vent through my hands, and I had it for a

short time on the 11th of April.

Senator TAL5IADGE. NIr. Stans, are you telling

WIr. STANS. I think, Senator, what you are bringing out is the

difference in the function between the chairman and the treasurer.I raised the money—he had no part in soliciting contributions. Hedid the bookkeeping and the accounting and I had no part of that,and once I turned a check over to Sir. Sloan, I had every reason toassume that it would be handled in due course and onlv when Ilearned abouth things that avere not handled in due course—as that

Abel check—did I raise questions with Air. Sloan about it.

Senator TALAIADGE. Are you telling us, Sir. Stans, that as a cer

tified public accountant, a member of the Accountants Hall of Fame,former Secretary of Commerce, and who further had been personallvselected by the President to be the Director of the Budget and director of t'he committee to raise $50 million for his reelection campaignyou intended all this money to be spent without anv of vour super

vision and control?

Sir. STANS. No, I am not telling vou that at all, Senator. I did

exercise some supervision and control. I got a dailv report of all thecontributions received which I looked over ever) da<.-. I indicated tothe extent that I Linezv people personallv their first names so that theletter of acL-nonvledgement and appreciation would be a first-name

basis.

I got reports from time to time, I had a daily staff meeting, I saw

the summaries of the reports that xvere filed As-itl; the General XCCOLIIItinP; Office, So I did exercise supervision but I did not, Senator, havennathin~~r to do with the dav-to-dav work of the treasuler's office.

Senator ~~'ALAIADGE. ~~'OlV, VOU realize that the reporting act event

into effect on April a, 1972, do vou not9

Sir. SCANS. rl'hat is colTect.

Senator ~~'.~LAIADGE. And a very stringent larv?

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32.5 HUGH SLOAS TESTIMONY, JUICE 6, 19?3] ? .ssc s7s-76-

a7a

Whir. SLOAN. I knoxv Texas, but whether it was just restricted to

Texas, I am not sure.

Senator ERVIN. \-OU do not knoxv from your own knowledge, of

course, whether they came from fund raising or whether thev came

from correspondence?

AIr. SLOAN. As I recall, all the checks were individual checks. The

cash funds—I might explain. There svas a listing in the briefcase, thetotal amount which equaled the total amount in the briefcase. Indi~~-id

ual names were associated with each of those items.

Senator ERVIN. Were any checks brought at that time in addition

to these four WIe.xican checks?

AIr. SLO.&N. Oh, 5 es, sir.

Senator ERVIN. I thought that the rest svas in cash. Was I mistaken

in that?

Air. SLOAN. Yes, sir. I think a large proportion of it was in personal

checks from contributors.

Senator ERVIN. I would like to hand you a cheek that purports to

be drawn on the First Bank and Trust Co. of Boca Eaton, a cashier'scheck, to the order of Kenneth H. Dahlberg.* I hand that to you and

ask if you can identify that?

Mr. SLOAN'. Yes, sir; that appears to be accurate.

Senator ERVIN. \N7hen did that check reach the office of the Com

mittee To Re-Elect the President?

Mr. SLOASKJ. I did not know- when Secretary stans received it. I

believe he turned it over to me sometime in the week following April 7,

Senator ERVIN. This check svas not dated, this cashier's check was

not dated until April 10, 1972, 3 days after the new la~~v went into

effect.

Mr. SLOAN. Secretary stans, in giving that check to me, told me it

represented pre-April 7 funds.

Senator ERVIN'. The committee proceeded UpOIl the advice of Afr.

Liddy to the effect that if somebodv promised them money beforeApril 7, or they had agreed to make a disburseruent before April 7,

that that did not have to be reported—is that so-?

NIr. SLOAN. I believe that is correct, Senator.

Senator ERYIN. Now, what happened to these four Mexican

checks

.AIr. SLOAN. Senator, excuse me. In response to that other question,

presumably, AZIr. Liddy gave his advice to Secretarv Stans. He did notspecificall~~- give that advice to me. It divas represented that \N-dY to me

by Secretary Stans.

Senator ERVIN. In other words, AIr. stans told you that NIr.

Dnhlberg's check had been received somewhere under some circumstances by somebodv before April i, and, therefore, even though ithad not reached the coinmittee or anV person authorized to receivefunds on behalf of the comrnittee, that it svas received before April # '?

flair. SLO.\N. AIv understan(lillg lvas that Atr. Kenneth Dahlberg,

who lvas an authorized representative of the committee, had receivedit from AIr. Dxvavne Andreas. As to the exact circumstance of that ar

rangement, I do IlOt linoxv.

Senatol ERVIN-. lVere IlOt the four Mexican checks need the Dahl

berg check deposited in a ballL in A[ianli! Fla.?

' The document referral to \F33 later marked exhibit .No. 2.) o l p. 631.

(370)

32. 5 HUGH SLOAiV TESTIMt7FY, JWE 6, 19?3, 2 SSC 575-76

576

I A>[r. SLOAN. That is what I understood happened to theist, Senator.

,t was certainly not under my instruction:.

Senator ERVIN. Can Arou explain to the committee svhs- the checks

xvere transmitted from XVash:ington to Miami and deposited in a bank

in .Riliami to the credit of Bernard L. Barker?

lHr. SLOAN'. I have no idea, Senator.

Senator ERVIN. Would vou not infer from those circumstances that

somebody that had something to do with the checks did not avantanybody to know about receisTing the checks and wanted to hide them9

Mr. SLOAN'. Senator, my understanding when I received them was a

judgment had been made that they were pre-April 7 contributionsand, therefore, nvere not required to be reported. I did turn them overto Mr. Liddy to has-e them converted to cash. He handled them from

there. Whv he gave them to WIr. Barker, I have no idea.

Senator ERVIN. Well, even though the) did not have to be reported.

can you inform us why, instead of being put in the safe in the com

mittee office, why they were sent down to Florida?

Sir. SLOAN. I do not know why they went to Florida, Senator. The

reason for the conversion of those checks to cash was to attempt tocomply with the spirit of the old law of distributing an individual'scontribution in S3,000 increments among pre-April 7 committees. Butas those bank accounts had been closed out, the only wav to do thiswas by converting it to cash and counting that cash as a transfer ascash on hand in the Media Committee To Re-Elect the President. It

was reported in that figure.

Senator ERVIN. I am a little mystified. How could it comply with

the old law with reference to the receipt of $3,000 or less in cash bvhaving $114,000 deposited in the bank account of Bernard L. Barkerin Miami, Fla.?

~ Mr. SLOAN. Senator, I do not know any circumstances surrounding

the. deposit of the checks in Mr. Barker's account. That was not m~~

intent in turning those checks over to Mr. Liddy.

Senator ERVIN. Who instructed you to turn them over to AIr.

Middy?

Mr. SLOAN. I believe I took them to Sir. Liddv in response to the

conversation of Secretary stans. He asked me, do vie has-e anv problem in handling these? I told him I did not know; I vould check withcounsel. His recommended wav of handling this vs-as a diversion to

| cash. He offered at that time to handle that transaction for me. It took| him until midday to return those ftunds to me in cash form, minus%_ roughly $2,500 expenditure.

— Senator ERVIN. I hate to make comparisons, but I would has-e to

say on that, WIr. Liddy in one respect lvas like the Lord, he moves

in mysterious ways his wonders to perform. [Laughter.]

Now, as a matter of fact, do vou not knolv that some of the funds

th at lvere drawn out, that represented proceeds of these checksvhich xvere drawn out of the Miami bank on LIr. Barker, svere folmdin the possession of some of the people who xvere caught in the burglarv

at the Watergate?

Avlr. SLOAN. I have since learned that; yes, sir.

Senator ERVIN. Hoxv long RN-aS it after the brea}z-in before +~ou

learned that?

Sir. SLOAN. I believe IlOt that specific reference, but the fdCt that

these men had been foull(l With $100 bills in their possessions calne out

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32. ? JOHiV MITCHF,DL LOG, JWE 23, 19 Z2

8:1S AG at-er.ded lihite Y.ouse r.eeting.

9:20 AG ret. to office

9:21 AG SAIs ~~'ard i an, LaRue and t iagruder

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Presic.ential Surrogates Briefing

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11:50 AG SAt? Sen2 tor Sears

12:55 AG spoke tuith _r. stans

1:10 AG SA'? Frn l.?R~~.t.e

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3:30 AG callecl Mr Ed_I!eJ sl

3:40 AG c,wlled fiIr. Tirlrlo ls and t.

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32. 8 !v8AURICE STANS TELEPHONE RECOF.DS, JUNE 23, 1972

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COMIYUNITIESJ DECEIYBER 1973, 281

(374)

33. At approximately 1:30 p.m. on June 23, l972 pursuant to the

President's prior directions, H. R. Haldeman, John Ehrlichman, CIA

Director Helms and Deputy CIA Director Walters met in Ehrlichman's

office. Helms assured Haldeman and Ehrlichman that there was no CIA

involvement in the Watergate and that he had no concern from the CIA's

viewpoint regarding any possible connections of the Watergate per

sonnel with the Bay of Pigs operation. Helms told Haldeman and

Ehrlichman that he had given this assurance directly to Acting FBI

Director Gray. Haldeman stated that the Watergate affair was creating

a lot of noise, that the investigation could lead to important people,

and that this could get worse. Haldeman expressed concern that an

FBI investigation in Mexico might uncover CIA activities or assets.

Haldeman stated that it was the Pres|dent's wish that Walters call on

Gray and suggest to him that it was not advantageous to push the

inquiry, especially into Mexico. According to Enrlichman, the Mexican

money or the Florida bank account was discussed as a specific example

of the kind of thing the President was evidently concerned about.

Following this meeting, Ehrlichman advised Walters that

John Dean was following the Watergate matter on behalf of the White

House .

Dage


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7

33-2 Vernon 1^1al.ters testimony, 9 SSC 3404~~05.............................................................................378

33-3 Vern.on Walters msHmorandlllT for record, June 28,

1972, SSC Exhibit No. loll, 7 SSC 2948-49 300

(375)

33.4 Richard Helms testimony, 8 SSC 3237-39 382

.33.5 'H. R. Haldeman testimony, Subcommittee of the

.Senate Appropriations Committee, Hearings on

.Purported Attempt to Involve the Central Intel-

.ligence Agency in the Watergate and Ellsberg

.Incidents, Executive Session, May 31, 1973,

.353-56s 400-02 385


33.7 John Ehrlichman testimony, Subcommittee of the Senate Appropriations Committee, Hearings on

Purported Attempt to Involve the Central Intelligence Agency in the Watergate and Ellsberg

Incidents, Executive Session, May 30, 1973,

33.8 Vernon Walters testimony, 9 SSC 3408 395

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33.1 JO## EE.EICE.~~.V LOG,JUNIE

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TiRH office

Roos2veit ARoom

HtRTn office (MacCregor, Colson, NIitc'êll)

JCW, Fairbanks (DDT)

John Mitchell

Eure'.<a Forbes (Haxvaii)

Lunch ill ~~>~~less with Bill Eberle

WIceting xvith ReL,ublic;7n 7.ne7lll0ers of Senate Finance (,ol-~~ll~~~~it':ee

Sel..?,or 3el,neCZc~~s orfice - 1121 ;\'S03

31air ECouse droko by (,',ro-s~~-lc.lstillg group)

JUN-E 23 1972

JriRig office

R o o s e velt R oom '

Tllea.re - Surrogate 'oriezina,

PresidezL, Snultz, lVeinl02rger, CEA

Sg~~~~efirg (Higner Educa'ion)

Di r e cto ~~,e,l_ns tSe . e~~r a't i~~~~tr~~_~,,~~ ~~! S .

-tiugh Sloan

Filaning of t'Day in the Life of tile ~rDves'tde:ltll - f.Oval Ot'ice

JTOE 0'*-' ce - Colson, %iegler, R',i ~~ 'id, sx'ili'~'-;er

To (---rtz? David

33 2 v~~v.Ban,~~ F.7AT.?FP.¢ TEs&,TI!tO.~~IY. AUGUST 3. 1973, 9 aSSC 3404-OS

C]reneral \\TALTERS. I was the Defense attache to France.

AI r. DASH. Honv long v~~-ere yovt in that position ?

General WALrl'ERS. Four and a llalf years.

311. D1SEI. Plior to ,>-onr jOillill(t tllc CI t cotlkl von jltst briefly tell

us vfhat contacts, if anV, a ou have had vfith the President of the IJnited

States, President Nison?

Genelal 50TALTERS. AIy first contact svith President Nixon was when

he wvas vice Presiclent. I vas detailed to acconlpanV llim 011 a triparound KSouth America. I event to eiftht countries vfith him and servedas interpreter, translator, and aide at that time. In tavo of those countries I XfaS in the car svith :AIr. Sixon wvhen estreme violence vfas encounterecl, mob ~~-iolence, ancl if I +vere to tell this committee that rdid not feel admiration and respect for the courage and calmness AIr.STi30n shovfed at that time, I avould not be telling Voll the avhole truth.

Subsequentlv, I sarv—I did IlOt ~~vork for AIr. Nixon a~~gain durin

the period betaveen the time he left the vice Presidenev and the timehe became President, I sasv him perhaps tsvo or three times in those

8 vears.

After he became President I vfent on tVfO or three of the trips abroad

he tooli to collntlies n-here I spolse the lanolaye ancl coulcl translate forhim. I have not had any private conversation' vfith the President sinceI became Deputx Director of the Central Intellit,ence &(rency; that is,

since Ma~~z 2. P .\lr. DASII. Shortlv after vou became Deputv Director of the (7entral

Intelligence Aênc,y, did lotl attend a meetin~~ at the ~~ite Housewith WIr. Haldeman, WIr. F,hllicllman, and Director Xelms 011 Jnne a3.

1972 ?

General 55/7ALTERS. Yes, I did.

ATr. D\'SH. Could vou tell lls hoav that meetinffl vfas arranged?

General wALTERS. Dllrin(r the morninv of ,June at', T receil-ecl n phone

call. I do not recall exactlv 11ovv~~ tellin~~ me that I vfas to be there atAfr. Ellrlichman's office on

ATr. D^~~sz. Yoll say vou received a telephone call ?

(5Teneral wAT.ERS. Yes.

Btr. DASIT. From lvhomq

(tleneral ~~,tALTl;:RS. I do llOt lvnovf lvhetller I received it persolntllv

or mv secretarv received it jllSt statiny I o-as to be at Atr. Ehlliehmanisoffice from AII'. TTelms. it maV have come from AFr. Helms' secletatrat 1:.30 that afternoon. Atr. Helrns ancl I Lvent donvntovfn. sve clid notlznoav vfhat tlle subiect of the meetin.~~ svas. MiTe had Inncll torSether ancl

at I :?s0 lve vfent to ATr. Ehrlichman's office.

BII~~. D.sswr. -t11 ridlt. STolv. will von to the hest of ronr recollection.

relate the discllssion that lvirls had at that meetinfr? Bv the svav. ~~vhocollkl \-011 sa~~ actllallv svas cloin~~ most of the talltinfr at the meetill r?

(^Teneral 7.\T.TF.RS. I l)eliew-e A:Er. T-Talelelllall n-as cloinfr ne.lllv all of

the tallxinf~~. T do not recall 1\tl'. F,lllliellmall aetllallv learti<irzatinfr

activelsr in the eonz-el sation.

Arr. Dsswr. B;on, n-onkl \'011 r(~~l.wte to the eolnlllittee m-hat ALr. TTalele

rnan saicl allfl xvh:tt VOI1 01 arl . TTeltlls saicl ?

(~~renel;wl WvT.r~~.rss. Afr. STaltl(~~TIl:lll saicl that the l)nsr-rotintr • f the

Mraterlr;lte XV;IS ereatill(> :1 lot o f noise. tll;lt the •II)pOSitiOlI xvas :lttS'lYlptinn to Itl:lXillliZt' thic. th:,t the T2T.T As ;ls ill\ esti(r:lting this alltl tlle h+;ltls

nli!rht le. lCI to SOIlle illlpOI*t;lllt lzt~~oluli~~. ;tt1.1 he tllel~~ :lSl;?(l ar~~. ITz~~lnl}

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33. 2 VER117ON F/ETEZ 1'ESTIONY. AUGUST 3. 1973. 9 SSC 3404-05

vvhat the Agency connection was. AIr. Hel ms replied quite emphaticallythat there was no Agency connection and AIr. Haldeman said thatnevertheless, the pursuit of the FBI investigation in Mexico mioht

uncover some CIA activities or assets.

WIr. Helms said that he had told AIr. Gray on the previous day, the

Acting Director of the FBI, that there xvas no Agency involvement,that none of the investigations being carried out by the FBI vere inany way Jeopardizing any Agency activity. NIr. Ilaldeman then said:

Nevertheless, there is concern that these investigations—this investigation in

Merco, may expose some covert activity of the CIA, and it has been decided thatGeneral Walters will go to Director Gray, Acting Director Gray, and tell him

that the further pursuit of this investigation in Medico—

And I wish to emphasize that the only question of investigation

involved was Mexico—

the investigation in ZJesico, could jeopardize some assets of the Central Iutelli

genee Agency.

Mmın 3Ir. Helms said he was not aware of any activity of the

Agency that could be jeopardized by this. Mr. Haldeman repeated:

Nevertheless, there is concern that the further pursuit of this investigation vill

uncover some activity or assets of the CIA in Mexico and it has been decided thatyou vill go and tell this—

Addressed to me—

you svill tell this to Acting Director Gray.

Mr. DASH. But, Mr. Walters, could it have been that Fir. Haldeman

asked you or Mr. Helms to go to AIr. Gray and—to first inquire at theCIA whether or not there might be some problem at the CIA if therewas an investigation in Mexico, rather than saying it avas decided that

you should go.

General WALTERS. I do not recall it being put in a question form. It

was put in a directive form.

Mr. DASH. In other words, you understood that to be a direction.

General WALTERS. I understood that to be a direction and since AIr.

Haldeman was very close to the top of the governmental structure ofthe United states and as Mr. Helms testified vesterday, the WhiteHouse has a great deal of information that other people do not have.I had been with the Agency approximately 6 weeks at the time of thismeeting. I found it quite conceivable that AIr. Haldeman might have.

some information that was not available to me.

WIr. DASH. And you did not feel it appropriate at that time to inquire

of Mr. Haldeman why it was that he avas directing you to go to Mr.

Gray and tell that to Mr. Gray ?

General XV'tLERS. No; I did not. If I had felt there was any impro

priety in this request I would have given him the same answer I later

gave AIr. Dean, that I would resign rather than do it.

Mr. DASH. By the may, did you wonder why it was that Fir. Halde

man said it was decided that you, General Walters, should go sto see

Mr. Gray and not Director Helms?

General HALTERS. Yes, I did. A number of hypotheses crossed my

mind. I thought perhaps he thinks I am military and a lot of peoplehave the mistaken belief that military obey biindlv. I thought he

miflt have heard reports that there had been some friction in the pastbetween the FBI and the CI ~, and perhaps since Sir. Gray was new

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33.3 VERNON WAlTERS MF,R RA#DUM, JUNE 28v 1972, SSC EXHIBIT NO. 101,

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EXHIBIT No. 101

L'.L? t07.>SEDUM FOR RECORD !3

28 June 1972

On Jtne 23 at 1300 on request I called with Director Helms on John Ehrtichman and Robert T-laldetnan in Rhrlichman's office

Y.aIdeman said that the "bugging" affair at the Democratic

bal;onal C,ornrnittee Hqs at the Watergate Apartments had made

a lot or noise and the Democrats vrere trying to maximize it.

The F8I had been called in and was investigating the matter.

The investigation was leading to a lot of important people and

this could get worsen He asked what the cornectsin with the

Age2lcy nvas and the Director repeated that there was none.

HaldenStan spiel that the ~~.vhole affair was getting embarrassing

and it xvas the President's wish that Walters call on Acting FBI

Director Patricl Gray and suggest to him that since the five

sttspects had been arrested that this should be sufficient and

thaFit~~~~ras notadvantageoustohavctheenqsair>~~pushed, e3peciall~~

in hlexico, etc.

Dirccto,. Lfelms S.'!iC that he had tamed to Gray on t'ne previous

da; and hoc! :nacie plain to him that tine Agency teas not behind this

tnatter, teat it :~~as not connected with it anti none o. the suspects

Was ttwor'.;ing for, nor had vvorl:ed for the Agency in the last haro

years. tie had told C-ra, that nonz it his i;t~~.~~estig2tions w.::13

toueiiing an-; covert Projects ot thti Agencies current or ongoing.

I{aldcm<.n then stated that I cotter toll Grarr that t had tal'.~~c~~.

to the l'.'hit: Gnats: and suggest '.14 tile i:lt.-esti~~~~lKl.~~n not be pusil.~~d.

fu -tile;. Gratt otuxld t).E rece~~.vtiv-e as he seas looisint, for g~~wida;2ce

in the netter.

Tl8.o I:)i! ..'ot repeated treat tilt: Agency xyas unconnected tSitil I

mated . I then Zzvq or fo talk to . ., ;..;, at d.t sect 't . ~~.Iz-:!;~~hall.n.

;:t ,1;a.4 1 ';CIn:;l do this soon t no 7 sail 1 sYO'l'd try to Jo it .oelav.

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Upon leaving the Tahiti House I discussed the matter briefly

;;th the Director. On returning to the office I called Gray,

inflic ated that this was a matter of some urgency, and he agreed

to see me at 1430 that day.

Vernon A. WaltersLieutenant General, USA

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33.d RICHARD HELM TESTIMONY, AUGUST 24 19O'3, 8 ,SSC 3237-39

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of the Democratic National Committee headquarters at the Watergate Z

fair. HELMS. It is my impression that I heard about it, read about it

in the newspapers and heard it on the radio, but this is not any lapseof memory. This is just one of those things that this far back it ishard to know iust exactly who might have told me or how I mighthave heard it. certainly it was big news from the moment it happened.

Mr. DORSEN. And during the days immediately following the

break-in were there conversations at the CIA concerning the break-in ?

Mr. HELMS. Yes. In the first place, sometime on that weekend I

received a telephone call from AIr. Howard Osborne, the Director of.S;ecuri'v, to inform me that—of the names of the individuals who hadparticipated in the break-in and also to say that Stir. Hunt in somefashion vias connected with it. Mr. Osborne's call to me was a perfectlyroutime matter that had been—there was a charge on him as Directorof Security to inform me whenever anybody in the Agency got in anyLnnd of trouble, whether they were permanent employees or pastemployees. In other vvords, right now, so I didn't have to catch upwith these events like suicides and house break-ins and rapes and thevarious things that happened to the employees of any organization ina city like Washington, so this was a perfectly routine thing andwhen he heard about these ex-CIA people who had been involved in

this burglary he called me up and notified me about it.

On Monday, when I came to the office, there had been no mention

in the papers of Mr. Hunt. So I got hold of Mr. Osborne and said howcome you told me that Mr. Hunt •vas involved with this and he said,"Well, there were some papers found in the hotel room, one of thehotel rooms with Hunt's name on it and it looks as though he wassomewhere ill the area when the break-in took place." So I said, "Allright," and then from then on, obviously there were various conversations in the Agency as we event to work on various requests from theFBI for information about the people and their backgrounds, and so

forth, that had formerly been employed by the Agenev.

Fir. DORSEN. Am I correct that James McCord also V as a former

employee of the Agency ?

nl\ilr. HELMS. He was.

Mr. DORSEX. And when did Mr. wMcCord and AIr. Hunt leave the

employ of the Agencyl67

Mr. HELMS. They left it at different times in 1970. They vrere both

retired, as I recall it.

Mr. DORSEN. NOW, directing your attention to June 2-2,1972, which

svaS the day before your meetinffl v ith Mr. Ehrlichman, Mr. Haldeman, and General Walters at the White House, did you have a conversation with Patrick Gray on that afternoon; namely, the afternoon

of June 29 ?

Mr. HELMS. I believe that the committee is in possession of a memo

randum which says—a memorandum or note from Mr. Gray that saysI had this conversation. I have no reason to question that at all. Iwas talking back and forth vith Mr. Gray at various times in connection with this Watergate break-in, so I have no reason to doubt

that there was one on the did of June.

Mr. DORSEN. In these conversations did you discuss the possibility

of CI t involvement in the blYak-in ?

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33.4 RICHARD HF,lW vESTIM.OXY, AUGUKST 2, 1973, 8 SSC 3237-39

Mr. HELMS. I assured AIr. (tTray that the VIA had no involvement

in the break-ir~~. :No involvement whatever. And it was my preoccupation consistently from then to this time to make this point and to besure that evervbody understand that. It doesn't seem to vet across X eryshell for some reason but the agency had nothing to do with the lVatergate break-in. I hope all the newsmen in the room hear me clearly now.

Mr. DORSEN. I would like to move then to June 23, 1972, and ask

vou if vou recall attending the meeting with Mr. Ehrlichman, WIr.

Haldeman, and general Walters.

SIr. H~~.T>xs. I do recall attending that meeting.

Fir. 'DORSEN. Where was that meeting held ?

Fir. HEI+rs. That meeting was held in Mr. Ehrlichman's office on

the second floor, office win,,—west wing of the White House.

Stir. DeRSEN. Do you recall the time of that meeting ?

WIr iIEL5tS. The meeting had been originally scheduled for 12

o'cloolL It was changed to 1 o'clock and it took place shortly after 1

o'clock.

Mr. DORSEN-. Could you please describe to us in substance what hap

pened at that meeting?

bIr. H~~:r~~~~rs. General Walters and I arrived first and waited for a

few minutes. Then Air. Haldeman and AIr. Ehrlichman came into theloom. Xs best I can recall what lvas said, Mr. Haldeman did most ofthe talking, so—and whatever WIr. Ehrlichman contributed in thecourse of this nvas either to nod his head or smile or to agree withwhat AIr. Haldeman said. I just sinlply want to introduce it this way

because it is a little easier for me to describe.

WIr. Hakleman said that there was a lot of flak about the Watergate

burglary, that the opposition was capitalizing on it, that it svas goingto—it was apparently causing some sort of unified trouble, and hewanted to know whether the Agencs had anything to do with it. Iassured him that the Agency had nothing to do lVitil it. ITe then saidthat the five men B ho had been found in the Democratic National Committee headquarters had been arrested and that that seemed to beadequate finder the circumstances, that the FBI lvas investigating whatthis avas all about, and that they unified, were concerned about some

FBI ins estigations in Afexico.

He also at that time made some, what to me xvas an incoherent ref

erence to an investigation in Mexico, or an FBI investigation, runninginto the Bay of Pigs. I do not know what the reference was alleged tobe, but in any event, I assured him that I had 110 interest in the BAVof Pigs that many years later, that evervthing in connection with thathad been dealt with and liquidated as far as I was aware and I did

not care what they ran into in connection with that.

At some juncture in this conversation, Sir. Haldeman then said some

thing to the eSect that it has been decided that General Walters Evilsgo and talk to Acting Director Gray of the FBI and indicate to himthat these operations—these investigations of the FBI might run intoCIt operations in Mexico and that it was desirable that this nothappen and that the investigation, tllerefore, should be either tapered

oSl' or red tlce(l or sonletll ill or, belt there lvas 110 lan ~~run,ge satin (a stop.

as far as I reeall.

At this point the references to Mexico nvere quite lln(leal to nae. r

ha(l to re( oplize that if the A\rllite blouses the President. Atr. Halde

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man, somebody in high authority, had information about somethingin Mexico which I did not have information about, which is quite possible—the White House constantly has information which others donot have—that it would be a prudent thing for me to find out if therevisas any possibility that some CIA operation was being—was going tobe affected, and, therefore, I wanted the necessary time to do this. Isay this in explanation of the fact that there seem~~that since I hadconsistently pointed out that no CIA operations had been violated byanv investigation up to then, that we had had nothing to do with theWN atergate burglary, the fact of the matter nvas that if an investigation continued to go on it might run into something a;ve nvere doing inMexico. This possibility alvvays had to exist. Nobody knows everything about everything. So at this point I think it was repeated a sec-ond time that GeneralWalters vfas to go and see Acting Director Graywitn this charge. It was then indicated that Acting Director Graywould probably be expecting the call, that he was looking for some kindof guidance in this matter, and that this should take place as soon aspossible. I believe WIr. Ehrlichman at that point made his sole contriDution to the conversation, which was that he should get down and

see Gray just as fast as he could.

We left this meeting, General Walters and I, and went downstairs

to the automobile and I spoke to General Walters along the followinglines. I said when you go to see Acting Director Gray, I think youshould confine yourself to reminding him that the Agency and theFBI have a delimitation agreement, an understanding for many yearsthat if the Agency runs into any FBI agents or operations, the FBIshall be immediately notified and if the FBI runs into any agents or

operations, it shall be immediately notified.

I was not sure whether Acting Director Gray was familiar with this

because he had not been Acting Director of the FBI for very long. Iwanted General A:Valters to understand about this because he had beenwith the Agency, I think, only about 6 weeks at that time, had beenhaving briefings, and I was not sure whether this had ever come tohis attention. In other words, I was asking him to make a legitimaterequest of the Acting Director of the FBI. that if they ran into anvCIA operations in Mexico or anyplace else they were to notify usimmediately and I thought General Walters should restrict his conversation with Actin(r Director Gray to that point. Precisely whether

he did or not, well, you will have an opportunity to ask hirn.

Mr. DORSEN. To your knowledge, did General Walters have a meet

ing with Patrick Gray ?

Mr. HELMS. Yes; he had one very shortlv after this meeting in the

White House because he reported to me later in t,he dav about hismeeting with (;rny, that he had been to see him, that the general purport of what they had discussed. and then the first time I learned that

Actin,,l I)irector STrav had told General Walters at this meeting aboutsome money having been sent to WIexico. I m-aS unaware of any monev

having been sent there at the time, and even that explanation did notsav what the money was for. Pout also floatinsr around in this at thetime lvas the name of n Mexican lazier t.hat eve had been asked to

check out bv the FRI to find out if this man lvas in anV way oonneetedwith the CIA. HiS name nvas Warrior I believe, and we had been run

ning a tracer, which is a B ork of art'of going throtlall the record to finA

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33.5 H.R. HADDEMAN TF,STIMONY, SENATE APPROPRIATIONS SVB~~M~~~~,ITTF,E

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to meet with this committee and to clear up anything that I

can be helpful in clearing up in regard to the matter that

you have under inquiry.

f I believe that the only area in which I can be helpful

| to you in your investigation is with regard to the reported

meeting of White House and CLK officials last June.

In that regard, on June 23, 1972, John Ehrlichman and I

were requested by the President to meet with Director Richard

Helms and Deputy Director Vernon Walters of the CIA.

To the best of my recollection, the purpose of this

meeting was five-fold:

One, to ascertain whether there had been any CIA involve

ment in the Watergate affair;

Two, to ascertain whether the relation between some of

the Watergate participants and the Bay of Pigs was a matter of

concern to CIA;

Three, to inform the CLA of an FBI request for guidance

regarding some aspects of the Watergate investigation because

of the possibility of CIA involvement, directly or indirectly;

I could interject there that this request had been made

known by John Dean, counsel to the President, and had been

transmitted by me to the President immediately upon being told

of it by John Dean.

The President, as a result of that, told me to meet

with Director Helms and General Walters and John Ehrlichman


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33.5 H.R. HALDF.MAI1 TESTIMONY, SF,SATF APPROPRIATIONS SUBCOtt7fI~~REEXECUTIVE SESSION MMY 31, 19Z3, 353-56, 400-02

Indistinct document retyped bvHouse Judiciary Committee staff

to get into this matter as I am laying it out here.

The fourth purpose was to discuss'fihite House concern

regarding possible disclosure of non-watergate-related

covert CIA operations or other national security activities,

not related to Watergate, that had been undertaken previously

by some of the Watergate principles [sick.

Fifth, to request General Walters to meet with Acting

Director Gray of the FBI to express these concerns and to

coordinate -with the FBI so that the FBI's area of investigation

of the suspects, the Watergate suspects, not be expanded

into unrelated matters which could lead to disclosure of

their earlier national security and CIA activities.

The meeting was held in Mr. Ehrlichman's office on the

afternoon of June 23 and, to the best of my recollection, all

of the above points were covered.

As I recall, Director Helms assured us that there was

no CIA involvement in the Watergate and also that he had no

concern from the CL\'s viewpoint regarding any possible con

nections of the Watergate personnel with the Bay of Pigs

operation. Helms told us he had given this assurance to

Gray directly.

Walters agreed to fleet with Gray as requested. I do not

recall having any further communication greeting with Walters,

Helms or Gray on this subject.

I do not specifically recall the question or Mexican


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355

aspects" being discussed at this meeting although I do not

question General Walters' report that this was covered. We

did discuss the concern that, in the interest of national

security and the former relationships of some of the prin-

ciples:tSiC], the Watergate principles[si.c], with CIA, the FBI investi

gation be limited to the Watergate case specifically and not

expanded into prior activities of the individuals involved.

We did this in the full belief that we were acting in

the national interest and with no intent or desire to impede

or cover up any aspects of the Watergate investigation, itself.

I do not recall any subsequent discussion with John Dean

regarding this meeting. I do not recall any discussion at

any time of a suggestion to involve the CIA in the Water-

gate matter except as described above. Specifically, I do

not recall hearing of any idea of having the CIA furnish bail

or pay suspects' salaries while in jail, using covert action

f unds .

It must be understood that, at the time of our meeting

with the CIA, we had only very sketchy knowledge of what and

who were involved in the Watergate affair. We had no reason

to believe that anyone in the White House was involved and

no reason, therefore, to seek any cover-up of the Watergate

investigation from the White House.

On the contrary, everyone in the White House was

instructed to cooperate fully with the Watergate investigation


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and, so far as I knew at the time, was doing so.

At the same time, there was concern at the White House

that activities which had been in no way related to Watergate

or to the 1972 political campaign -- and which were in the

area of national security -- would be compromised in the

process of the 'Watergate investigation and the attendant

publicity [sic] and political furor.

Recent events have fully justified that concern with the

disclosure of the FBI wiretaps on press and NSC personnel, the

details of the so-called "plumbers' operation", et cetera.

In summary, the meeting of June 23 with the CIA was held

at the President's request in the interest of national security.

I do not believe there was any intention to cover up the

Watergate. I do not believe there was any direct connection

between this meeting and General Walters' reported subsequent

meetings with John Dean. I believe I acted properly, in

accord with the President's instructions. and in the natiorl~~1

Mr. Chairman, in reviewing the transcript of the testi

mony before this committee by Ambassador Helms on hay 16, I

find some several areas that I would like to clarify.

First, it should be emphasized that there was only one

meeting in which Helms, Ehrlichman and I participated, the

one on June 23, which I have described, at Which General

halters was also present. The other meetings to which General


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guess. But there is nothing I can do about that except, in

this meeting, I find it quite probable that General Walters'

Mem-con is more accurate than his subsequent cycles of

revisions, and that I probably did say, "It is the

President's wish" because I believed then and I believe now

that it was.

Chairman McClellan. You referred to his memorandum. I

would like to ask some questions about it. You think it is

probably more accurate than what he remembered later. That is

the memorandum of June 28th, five days following this meeting

in the White House.

It says, "On June 23, at 1300, on request, I called, with

Director Helms, on John Ehrlichman and Robert Haldeman in

Ehrlichman's office at the White House.

"Haldeman said" -- and I want to give you an opportunity to

comment on each of these -- "Haldeman said that the 'bugging'

affair at the Democratic National Committee headquarters at the

Watergate Apartments had made a lot of noise and the Democrats

were trying to maximize it."

Do you wish to comment onthat?

Mr. Haldeman. No, sir.

Chairman McClellan. You don't wish to comment on it?

Mr. Haldeman. No, unless there is some specific question.

Chairman McClellan. Is that correct?

Mr. Haldeman. I haven't any idea. I don't recall that.

That would be the only way I could answer.


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Chairman McClellen. All right. You don't recall whether

that occurred.

He states in the next sentence you said the FBI was being

called in and was investigating the matter. Did you tell him

that, or was that statement made at that meeting?

Mr. Haldeman. In some sense it undoubtedly was. I don't

think I needed to tell him that. I think it was pretty well

known at that time.

Chairman McClellan. Then he says that the FBI had been

called in and was investigating the matter, and he says you

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said the investigation was leading to a lot of important people

and this could get worse. Do you wish to comment on that?

Mr. Haldeman. No, sir.

Chairman McClellan. Do you want to say it is true, or

Just remain silent about it?

Mr. Haldeman. I would have no comment to make on it.

That is his characterization of the conversation.

Chairman McClellan. Is his characterization of the

conversation wrong, or correct?

Mr. Haldeman. I have no material conflict with it.

Chairman McClellan. Then you said that, or something like

that, I would assume, unless you state otherwise.

Then he goes on further to say, "he" meaning you, "asked

what the connection with the agency was, and the Director

repeated" -- I am sure he means Director Helms -"repeated


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Indistinct document retypedbyHouse Judiciarv Committee staff

that there was none."

Did Helms tell you that that day?

Mr. Haldeman. As I have so indicated; yes, sir.

Chairman McClellan. "Haldeman said that the whole affair

was getting embarrassing and it was the President's wish that

Walters call on Acting FBI Director Patrick Gray" -- now, is

that much correct, up to there?

Mr. Haldeman. I think that it is subject to to nterpretation.

It isn't correct, Senator. I don't believe that the request that

Walters call on the Acting Director of the FBI was in the

context of the whole affair getting embarrassing. I think it was

in the context I have laid out in my statement.

Chairman McClellan. Did you tell him that the whole

affair was getting embarrassing?

Mr. Haldeman. No, sir; that I recall, no.

Chairman McClellan. You didn't make that statement at the

meeting?

Mr. Haldeman. I don't recall making such a statement.

Chairman McClellan. Are you in a position to deny it?

Mr. Haldeman. No, but that is not the flavor of the

approach to the meeting that I took.

Chairman McClellan. All right. Then he said you asked

that Walters call on Director Patrick Gray and suggest to him

that since the five suspects had been arrested, that this

should be sufficient, and that it was not advantageous to have


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AIr. Tllonrls(jx. It xvould bc incollsistellt xvitll vour desire to solz-ethe mattel. I assllnle. as to svlletller or not tllere ~vas CI.t insols-enlent.

SIr. Elf ı~Lzf ~[~r.vs . WN ell xvhatevcr I told hilll ~vas for thepurpose of not havillr staff meetin,,s on this particular subject. I can ttell yopreciselv lvllat I tokl him.

AIr. TI103tPSON-. Going baek to Julv of 1.')'1, .July #. 1!)f1. clidyou call Deputv Director Cllshlnall and ask llim to (ri~-e AIr. Hllntassistance in his activities at tllat time ?

Atr. EllrsLIcllz~.~N. No, I have been asked many times al)out thattelepholle call an(l I simply has e no recollection of havint, macle thatcall.

AIr. TIIoarPsos-. Dicl voll kIIO\V lvhat AIr. Hunt lvas doinfr duringthat period of time ? Al ere ~-ou infol med ?

:A[r. EIIPLLICII3[ \N-. I hlesv from m} one meetinC vfith AIr.Colson and Atr. Hnnt jointly xvhat he svas supposecl to be doing yes.

AIr. TIIOZIPSON . AN'hat lvas he doing ?Arr. F,IIRI,ICII3[.-v5-. fIe xvas suppose(l to be engaged in an

analvsis of tlle Pelltafron Papers and in determinillrr their accllrac~-xvllethel or not they xvere in fact complete accounts of the eventslvhich toollz place or svhether they vvere edited, tailored accountsvfhich did not include the complete faets.

~ Afr. THO32SON. In .June, lshen yoll lvere tall;ing to Helms and57alters about tlle possible CIA problem or uncoverinr somecollateral CIA activity, this all evolved around the so-calledAtexican money problem, I assume, is that correct ?

Mr. EHRLICH3rAN-. WVell, it xvas much broader than that. It ovasany unassociated CI X activity.

Mr. TH031PSON. lVell, ~vllat brought it to anvone's attention? Ithought it lvas the so-called Barlcer money that hacl come from WIexico.

WIr. EEIRLICHBEAN-. YOU mean that precipitated the meetinr ?Mr. TlIO3rPSON-. Yes.WIr. EIrRLIollzrAN. No, it lvas a mucll broacler eoncern than that,

and it included, as I said, the question of direct involvement, itincludecl avhatever exposule there mirht be foz any CI-t activity. Ithink the Atexican money or the Florida ballk accolult or rvhatever,which insol+-ed one of these people lvho hacl been a former CI-\afflent or client or ~vh.ttever they call tllem. svas raised as an examplein the meetinr by one of us as the liind of thinsr that the Presiclentevidentlv evas coneerned about. -tnd it ~vas disctlssed as a specificexample. Bl;t the meetina avas by no means limited to that.

3tr. THourPsos-. Can yoll recall anv other specific examples that 1Nere discussed 2

AIr. SHI11.ICII3[AN-. Bav of Pites.AIr. TltoarPson . Hoxv dicl tllat come in ?WII. EElRLICII3r.\N-. A\rell, because appalently. tlle President 11ad

speci fically ment ionecl the Rav of Pi ~rs to IXob Halclelllall insu~~estinC the meetinrr. and then he melitiolle(l it to me agaill in.Ttol~- as the ls ind of t l l inr that a l rparent ly CI^-t mifr l l t beeml)alrassed abollt that some of the people lvllo rvere involved inAlraterzrate, appalelltlv. hatl beell involvecl in the TWay of Pi rs anclaecorclillcrlv, lvllethel thele lvas nnv CI t expostlre still existin>.

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33.6 JOHZZ F,HEICgMS SEtSTI~SY, JULY 24, 1973, 6 ,SSC 2563-64

Atr. TEroarPsos. Tlle NVItergate investigation could possilJly turnup some additional investigation on the CI t operation in the Bav ofPiw,s ?

SIr. EHRLIC}SAI~N-. CI.~ involvement or comy)romise of somesort or something,r in the past. It avas vely unspecific, I)ut it lvasnonetheless mentioned as an example.

AIr. THoJfPsos-. Can you tllink of any otller examples?AIr. EHRLICHMAN-. NO, I cannot. Tlle Mexican money or

Atexican laundl) or lvhatever f ouAIr. T~~ozlPso~-. Of course, that money wound up in the l)ank

nccount of a AIr. Barl;er.Arr. EHRLICIIZI&N-.Yes.Mr. THOZIPSON-. Xnd AIr. Barker, of course, xvas a l)rotegre of

AIr. ~unt, brouErht into tlle matter by Hunt ?LIr. EHBLICEIArAN-. ~& CI ~ protefre of AIr.Hunt.AIr. THO5IPSON. They rvere in the Bay of Pirs. Was his name

mentioned in the meeting ?

Arr. ERRLICIIAIAN-. A0.

WIr. THozrPsos. The money problem ~ou svere tallSing aboutseems to have been directly relatecl to WIr. Hunt, lvhicll <^rets rightbacl; into the plumber situation again.

WIr. EtlRLIcHzr.xs-. Barker's name and Hunt s name lvere notmentioned in the meetinfr.

AIr. TlloBrPsos-. Ak. Ellrlichman, reCardless of lvhat the PlesidentspecificallJ, told y-ou or did llot tell you, I assllme that you felt a shorttime after the break-in, the latter part of June. that it lvas the Presidents~ViSII to insure that the investigation of the brealc-in did not e2cposeeitller the unrelated covert operation of the (SI -t or the activities of theW5.~hite House investigrations ullit. I)icl vou assume that to be t'llePreSi(lellt'S AViS9I, as he stated tllat it xvas ?

Arr. EIIRLICIIZI.\N. Atr. Tllompson, I assumed that it svas lvithreXrard to the CI-t I)ecallse of this meetin r ~ve have just been talkincrabout. Frankly, the question of the special ullit simr)l) never enteredms- mind at tllat time as a potential proT)lem. It just lvas not ineontelllplation and it •vas not in the contenllrlation of anvbodv tllat Ixvas talkinb to, so far as I can recall.

Alr. Tlro3lrsoN. Fven thoufrh l,iddy llad lvorkeclA[r. F,HRLI( IIZIAN. Tllat is . orlect.AIr. TtloaIrs(!x [contintlino]. In xoul office, llnder aour supelvision

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ver~- remote sense.WIr. Tlloalrsox-. It did not OCCIII to vou that if he xvas tried. if lle

decicled to tall~. if lle deci(led to l)ar(raill~ thele xvere a lot of thin rsthat l~e cotll(l tell tllat xvollkl l)e enll)al rassillfr~ not onlv l)oliticallvUtlt complolnisillzr lVit]l regal(l to llation.tl seellritv?

ar.-. },llRl.l('llAtAN. I assllre lou. AIr. Tllo;npsoll it just lvas not inIllV COllSCIOIISlleSS.

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afternoon or whether it was completed Monday morning. but it zvassoon clear to me that nobody who w t - sponsible for that area in theAgency felt that the ongoing FBI inv - ligation could jeopardize anyof the Aaency sources or activities in AIe.~ico.

3zIr. DASEI. Well , no v, did you subsequently receive anycommunication from anybody at the White House after June 23 ?

General WALTERS. On Monday morning, June 26, I received aphone call from a man who identified himself as John Dean and hesaid he svished to speak to me about the matters that AIr. Haldemanand AIr. lihrlichman had discussed with me on Friday. I did not kno vMr. Dean. And I expressed so—something to the effect that I don'tknow who Lou are and he said, "XA;ell, you can call Air. Ehrlichmanto see whether it is all right to talk to me or not."

AIr. Dash. Did you call Atr. Ehrlichman ?General WVALT£~RS. I called Mr. Ehrlichman. I had some

difficulty in reaching him but finall~- I reached him and I said: "AAIr. Jolm Dew v-ants to talk to me about the matters discussed withyou and AIr. Haideman on the preceding Fridav" and he said: "Yes, itis all right to taIx with him. He is in charge of tile whole matter."

BIr. DASEI. Did you then meet with 3Ir. Dean on that day?General WALTERS. I thenMr. DASH. The 26th.General WALNRS. I then called Mr. Clean again and he asked me

to come down and see him, I believe, at 11:30 or 11 :4a. I believe it isindicated on the memorandum I wrote.

Mr. DASH. Will you relate to the committee the conversation youhad •Ivith Mr. Dean at that time, on June >>6, 1972 ?

General WALTERS. AIr. Dean said that he was handling this wholematter of the Watergate, that it was causing a lot of trouble, that it wasvery embarrassing. The FBI was investig,atiny it. The leads had led tosome important people. It might lead to some more important people.

The FBI was proceeding on three hypotheses, namelv~ that thisbreak-in had been organized by the Republican National Committee,by the Central Agency, or by someone else; whet eupon I said I did notknow who else oraanized it but I know that the Ctentral IntelligenceAgency did not organize it. I said furthermore—I relisted to Atr. Deanmy conversation with bRr. Haldeman and Atr. Ehrlichman on theprevious Fridav, and told him I had checked within the agency andfound there W(ts nothing in anv of the onffloiny FUJI ins-esti(>ationsthat could jeopardize CDIA activities or sources or compromise themin anv wav in Mexico.

He then said "Well could this not hale happened without s-ourknoxvledae?" Well," I said "orilrinalls perhaps, but I has-e inquired. Ihave tallied to Atr. Helms and I am stile that eve had no part in thisoperation against the Democratic National Committee."

He kept plessilla this. Thele must have beell. TheRe people all used

to NVOI'I; fol the (DI.t. and all this thinly. I s. d maybe thev llsed to but thavsvere not when thev did it and he pressed and )ressed on on this m(lasked if these xvas not sollle avav r consul helm) hilly anal it seenled to me1le lvas exolorilla l)er1lul~s the Option of seeing xvhethel lle coral plltsome of the blame on us. There lvas not anv Sal ein( thins he S:li(:l l)tttthe renew al tenol xvas in this xvav an(l I sai(l to hint—I did not havean ol)pol tullit) to collslllt xvith ans body—I si!ll~wlx s lid!

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said that Walters would be visiting Gray that afternoon. At

2:34 p.m. on the same day Walters met with Gray and discussed

the FBI investigation of the break-in at the DNC

headquarters. Walters stated that if the FBI investigation

were pursued into Mexico it might uncover some covert CIA

activities and that the matter should be tapered off with the

five men under arrest. Gray agreed to hold in abeyance the

FBI interview of Manuel Ogarrio. Gray has testified that the

FBI continued its effort to locate Kenneth Dahlberg. Gray

reported to Dean the substance of his conversations with

Walters.

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sehe(llllc(l to see n;e nt - ::;0 L; nl tllat aftclmoon.

AIr. Dcan called Ille afrail1 at _ :15} p.m. an(l it is 111V X eeolle( tion tllat

tllis xvas a call to asl; if I had schc(ltllc(l a meetinfr W;'itel Genclol A5.$nl-tCIS for that afteraloon. I to]cl hiln that the Ineetillfr llad been sclle(lllledfor q :'30 p.m. I seem to rememl)er that hc asl;ecl me to call llim afte

the mceting.

I lllCt lVitll Gcneral ANTaltcrs at 2:v~ p.m. on Fridav. June ~.S, 19s4.

I-Tc informccl me that rve s^-ere lilielv to unco~-er some. wI t assets orsol1rces if lve continued our investigatioll into tllc AIcxicnn nlollevchain. I undelstood his statemellt to meall that if the FBI persisteclre n-ould uncovcr CIA covelt operatiollS and that the CI.t ha(l aninterest in WIessrs. Of rarrio ancl Dalllbelg and in the $114,000 involved.He also discussecl m-ith me the agenCJ, a£~ eelllent undel avhicll tlle FI3Iand CIAT llave agreed not to uncovel and expose each other's sources.I had IlOt reacl this afflreement and still havc IlOt. but it NVilS logical to

me at that time and I did IlOt question (^Teneral WaltelE.

I undoubtecllv said to (;eneral Alraltels that. n-e vill handle this in

a manner th.tt rvould not hamper the CI X, and that I ~-oulcl have tomnl;c a {letermillatioll as to ho\v tlle F13I xvouXl proceed m-ith our in-

vestigatioll in this areh.

I knen- from AIr. I)ean's earlier telephone conversation nvith me on

this day that General Walters rvould be comin(r to see me, but I haveno recollection or memory xvilatsoever of ()7eneral MTalters informingme at this meeting that he lvas coming to me after talking to tlle WlThiteIIouse, or tllat he had ta]ked to the AVhite House at all. I nnderstood

him to be statinfr a CI-t position. not a AElite House message.

At this point I vould like to comment on General Walters' memo

randum of tllis meetinfr, nhicll I understand to be in evidence beforethis committee. 5lTith respect to General WNTalters' statement in para-grapll 2 of his memorandum tllat ~'lliS—Gray's—problem xvas holv tolo v kev this matter IIO V thzt it svaS launched,'' I may have said rvordsto this efFect to let llim kno v that sve svould handle the cr.-v aspects ofthis matter lVitlI ];icl fflloves. I can state categoricallv, ho vever~ that anvsentinlent of that kind expressed by me waS an effort bw- me to abicieby the CI.Lt-FBI ayreement ancl related solelv to the possibilitv ofexposinfr CI.tt co~-ert act.ivities in the pursuit of our investiCatiorl illtOWIen;ico. This sentiment, if expreRsed. could in no vaV have related toany efort by me or the FBI to "]o v key" tlle Waterv;ate investiCation

generall X .

In fact. the FBI did not lovv kev the WaterFate invest;~ration gen

erally and instructions ~vere issned at the outset of the investiCationancl re(rnlallv thereafter to instlrc that this case lvas handled as nmajor case vinder the immediate Sllpervision of the slleeial aaent in

charve of each field office to vhieh investiFative leads svere teferred by the Altashinoton field oficeor anx other field office settiny ollt leacds to be ptlrsned.

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34. 2 L. PATRICK GRAY TESTI!gONYv AUGUST 3, 1973, 9 ~55C 3452-53

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NVit l respect to the rest of the paragraphs I may have mentionedthe $Sf,OOO to General psalters. I do IlOt remember, hut, if I did, Iwould have talked in terms of four checks in this total amount—not'ia check" aS his memo states—sirnplv because four checks svere in-

volved. I probably also spoke of t}lC name Ogarrio as lvell its Dahlberersimply because these txvo men, Air. Oerarlio and Atr. D5hlbelfr, lvereaVvay-s associated in my mind ~Vit}l the SS!),O()O in four checks, theOgarrio checL;s, and with the S9.),000 in one cashier's check, the Dalll-

berg,r check, lvhiell rvere traced to the bangs account of Bernald Barker.Alrilll respect to General AValters' comnlent in paragraph .3 of this

mcmorall(lttm that I said ' that this xvtts a most a~vkavard matter tocome up during an election yearn it is certainly possible that in the

course of mar conversation with General Halters I TTlaV have expressedthe thought that the lVatergrate case svas a Shot potato" for a nerv

~totinfr I)irector and the FBI in an election 5 ear, and for the President,too. I lvnolv that I expressed this thought to mallV people at s-ariolls

times "W\'atertate is just lvllat I needed'Bvas a refrain I knoav I struckAVitlI friends 011 numerous occasions. General AValtcrs' references to

"he—Grav—would see m-hat he could do," and "he * * *{STrav—would hake to study the matter and see honv it could best be done,"could only relate to my admitted desire to pursue this investigationvithout compromising CIA assets and resources. In no oval, shape, or

form did I sax or seek to imply to (general WlTalters, or to anvone else,for that matter? that the FBI investigation avould be other than at,<~res-siz-e and tholollgrh. The only conceivable, limited exception lvas thealleged national security considerations being presented to me bv Gen-

eral Walters and WIr. Dean which, as the record will shorn broughtabout a delay in the intcrviesv of several persons for a period of 10 days

to 2 weeks.As a matter of fact, and as my testimony lvill make clear in more

detail, I ordered our assents to continue to probe the Mexican monew-cllaill and the I}ahlber~~ relationship during this period that the per-

sonal inters-ielv with AIr. Oerarrio novas being held in abevance and Mr.I)ahlberfr xvas evading llS as Eve tried to interview him.

Finally, I have no recollection lvhates-er of General ARTalters malignsant statement as he alleges in parat raph 4 of his memorandum to the

> effeet that his "job had been an anvklvard one."IJpon (STeneral AValters' departures I telephoned Ml. Dean and toldhim of the meeting with General Walters. I tokl ATr. l)eall that Eve

would hokl alp OUR' inters-ielVS temporarilv and work around this prob-Iem until Eve determined what Eve had encountered.

Ott .3 :1o p.m. I telephoned Assistant Director Bates to tell him ofmv visit from (general Walters and to tell him that CIs-t had an

interest in this matter and that Eve may hare uncovered a CI X monevchain. III this telephone conversation, I undoubtedlv ordered Mr. Batesto temporarilv hold llp an interview with Mr. Ofrarrio but to continueto conduct appropriate investi ration at Banco Internatinnale at Mex-

ico (Fitv reerardin r the four Oerarrio checks, to continue to follow Mr.T)ahlherC's movements anal to continue to obtain toll call records of his

loller distance phone ealls as eve sought to interview him.On the afternoon of Fri(lavs June Q ). 197Q, I again telephoned Mr.

Dean on txvo occasions. once at .3:24 p.m. and once. at 3:47 p.TTI. I can-

not he absohltelv certain that the names Ocrarrio and Dahlber~>were

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tllis \\-aS lliS l)riz-ilt fre t,o clo it an) lvay lle xvisllcd.

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meluolalldutll. 5'OUI' recollection •,r tllat mectinM, 011 ,JtIne in:,. 1979 ?

Gencral +\rAi.TElS, Tilele di(l, arl. Dasll. .) davs latcr. Altllen tllis tllin r started I (lid IlOt llabituall~- keep

melllorandillrls of mV convel sations. Iloxvevel, lVIlCII 011 tlle fl'uesdav, tlle folloM-iller Tllesdav. AIr. T)eun t)ut tllc

{Illestion to me or lle clicll;'t. pUt the questioll l)Ut ex;)lolecl tlle possibilit,y of the CI.t croingr bail and pavilln tlle

salaries of tlle susl)ects XVIlO xvere in jail, I realizecl it lvaS time for me to stal t l;eepillo a record. So folloxvint, tllat

seconcl meetillg 011 tlle ) 4 tll I sat doxvn and T ~vlote memorallcllllns l'or mvsclf; tllev xverc not intenclecl to be n

velba.tim aecount of tllc convelstition or to eovel all aspects of the conversation but notes to jocr my OVe'I1 menlorV. I

xvrote a melllorallclum 011 t]le meetillgr XVitll Ak. Ilaldeman and AII'. ~,lll licllnlan, I zvrote a memoralldum on the

meeting ~vith Atr. Glay, I nvrote a memorandum on tTtV filst meetinCr •vith Atr. I)ean 011 Alon(iax tlle 46tll, and a

memorandtlm of m~~ seconcl meeting XVitll AIr. Dean on tlle a a th.

011 tlle 2Sth I met XVitll AIr. I)eall for tlle tllird and last time, and I + -rote a memoralldum, I believc, tlle follo~~ino day.

011 the sllbseqllellt memor.tllclllllls: nalnel~. mv calls on WIr. Gra~-, I lvrote those memoralldullls eitller on tlle same

da,~! tllat I had the talk ~VitlI AIr. (~rrav 019 the follon-intr dav. If I mav, I lvollld like to make one pOillt clcar, I hal-e

l~een alleCreci to have a splendid memorv and so fortll and llere I lvas maliin r confession that I am afraid xvifl IlOt fit

illtO it.

Atr. Ilelms lvas (luite zicrht in his testimonv vesterda~- in that the ~,uestion re,cr.lldillfr bail and pavinfr tlle salaries of

tllese people calne nr) Oll Tues(lav. llrllen I revies;-ccl mV notes and befole I lvrotc the a'rldavit, I did correct tllis in mJ,-

nfElelavit; nalnelv, tllat the reclllest rceral dinv leail for defendallts rvas 011 Ttlesclav.

WII'. D.\Sll-. Alre \\-ill bet to tllat alld ft tllink vou can restate it u-hell r aslx Aou about the meetin^-s \0-itll AIr. I)eall

I RV,tllt to sllo\v vou a COt)) \N'0 llaue of a nlemozalldlllll pltlpoltedlv flonl )'01101' lvrittell l~v VOU 011 tIlllle ;)8

covelin(r tlle .JIIIIe i):, nleetinst ancl aslv ~-ou if this is a corl ect COp i' o f the menlol an(lulll.

CrenelalAVxl,rr.Rs.Ivi(rllt Wes.Alr.Dasll,it,is.

AIr. I)\Sll. arl. Chairman, IlI'l\' tluat copy be marlved as an exhibit and introdlleed illtO tlle l ecorcl 7

Senator ERA~N'. I believe this memoralldum has previollsl^- been marlxed as exhibit '~N7o. 101.*

AII'. DASII. NO+V, Genelal Agaltel-s, after +-ou left the meetin,fr AVit

:AIr. 'tIalcleman and Afr. Ehllicllman, did VOII leave WVitll Directot Helmsi

Genelal +0''ALTERS. I did. AA7'e avalkecl dolvllstails nnd ~ve stood and tallved close to tluc car out on AAtest

Executiz-e -tvellllc an(l AIt. Helms said to me:

You must remind WIr. Grny of the agreement betvs-een the FP;T and the Cl.t that if they run into or appear to be nbout to exposeone another's assets they svill notify ene another, and you should remind him of this.

'See Book T. p. 2948.

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34.3 VERSON [/ALTERS TESTI!dOXY~ A UGUST 3) 19732 9 SSC 3406-07

3407

I did.AIr. D.usf T. w-tlld then lvhat did you do ?

Gener.tl AV=\L'rRRS. I do n(wt recall n-llethel I avent bacl; to the A<renev or IlOt. I don't thillli tinlexvoulel have alloxvecl it hecause the appointnent had been Inade to see Mr. Gravv at i:3() p.m. AIyrecollection iS not clear 011 tllis} lvhetller I ~vent back to the .VgrencV or n-hetller I sta.yed doxvntoxvn. [haxe a feelinfr I staye(l do^sntoxvn and at 2::s() I \-ent to see WIr. GraY.

SII, ~ \S}I. XONV, lvas tIr. Gravv, b,y the lvay, expectinfT your •-isit?

Gener.tl AV.\LTF.RS. AII-. (~ray, I believe, xvas expecting my visit.Ak. I).1SH. Eloxv do you kno^^ that ?(leneral +t\LTERS. I believe he has subsequelltlvv testified that 31r. Dean I,..d told hirn that I avaS 011

my svay dolvn.tIr. D zSTr. .-t11 rifrht.

Noxv, xvould yoll t3riefly relate to yollr hest recollection xvllat conversation vvou had avith AIr. Gray atthat time 9 'I'his xvas 011 June a:, 19 s i?,

General 5\tAL'I'ERsS. I said to Mr. Gray that I had just come frorll the AVhitc House xvJlere I had talltecl

to some seniol stafi' nlembels and I ~A-as to tell him that the pUISttit of the FBI investit,ation in Alexico, the

continuatioll of the FBI investigatioll in tIexico, could—might uncover some covelt activities of tlle Centlal

Intelli,,rcnce AfrellcJ-. I tllen repeated to hilll svhat iNlr. flehlls llad told me about tlle a(TIeement bet~veen the

I~BI and GIA and he said he avaS quite awvare of this and I intendecl to observe it scrupulouslvv.

AIr. DASII. XOlV, did vou tell him msho (rave you the direc~tion to—

General AV.ST.TERS. I did not. I told hiln I had talked to some senior peol)le at the NVhite House.AII>. Dssll. Nolv, avaS that the sum and substance of that conversation in AIr. GraJ 's office 2

General 5\TAI,T;FN3. I belie~-e so. A0Te hacl exples<w.d pleasule at meeting onc anotller. I had intendedto call on hilll, ancl so fortll, and anvthing else that occurred I believe xvill be covered in the melilorandumVhiCII iS in VOU1' possession

AIr. D^~sll. I tllinli you testified that wou a]so on June aS incltlded a memoralldum of the meetint, ^^-ith3II. Grav 011 Julle o:s. I ~.vould lilie to shoxv VVOlI a copy of tlle melllol andllm itllfi ask vou if tllis is acorrect copy and does it cover the testinlonv you Iras-e just gi~-en.

(xeneral +\r-\LTErss. Yes, it is a col l ect copv.Afr. D~sel. AIr. Chairnlall, maV that nlewtolalldulll be marked as an exllibit and be received in evidence ?

Senator ER\aN-. In the absence of objection bv anV committee member it is so ordered and lvill beapplol)liatelv matked as an exllibit and received in evidence as such.

rThe doclllllellt re ferred to svas mal ked exhibit No. 1-99.8'WIr. DASII. Nosv, after you niet ~vith AIr. Gray did you return to your offices at the CIA and

General AV\L~R3. Yes; I did.

lCIr. D.\SH [COIItillUillt,]. And did you make a report of that meetin to former Director Helms ?

General +~i,'rALtl'ERS. And I also started to checl; on whether this .vas a fact. I talked to thepeople nt oUr yeorraphic area that handles Alexico and I am not surelvllether this was completed on the Friday

*3ee P.3S15.

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34. 4 VEZ~2.S~lOZtt WALFF.P,S ,0.8EM.OPIANDUAt/ JUNS28, 1922,

SSC F,'XHIBIT NO. 129, 9 SSC 3815

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EXtIIBI'rS SUBMITTED FOR THE REWORD

EXHIBIT Nt). 121

MEMORANDUM FOR REC:ORD

At 1430 on 23 Jvlne I called on the Acting Director of the FBI,

L. Patrick Gray, at his office in the FBI Building and saw him

alone .

I said that I had come to see him after talking to the "White

House". I cited no names and he asked for none. I added that I was

aware of the Director's conversation with him the previous day and

while the further investigation of the Watergate Affair had not

touched any current or ongoing covert projects of the Agency, its

continuation lnight lead to some projects. I recalled that the FBI

and the Agency had an agreement in this respect and that the Bureau '

had always scrupulously respected this. Gray said he was aware of

this and understood what I was conveying to him. His problem was

how to low key this matter now that it was launched. He said that a lot of

money was apparently involved and there was a matter of a check on a

Mexican bank for 89 thousand dollars. He asked if the name Dahlberg

meant anything to me and I said it did not but that that was not really

significant as I had only been with the Agency for a fenv months.

Gray then said that this was a most awkBvard matter to come up

during an election year and he would fieC what he could do. I repeated

that if the investigations were pushed "south of the border" it could

trespass upon some of our covert projects ant;, in view of the fact that

the five men involved were under arrest, it would be best to taper the

matter off there, He replied that he understood and would have to

study the matter to see how it could best be done. FIe nvould have to

talk to John Dean about it,

Gray said he looked forward to cooperating closely with the Agency.

After some pleasantries about J. Edgar Hoover and our past military

careers, I left saying that my job had been an awkward one but he had

been helpful and I was grateful,

Vernon A. Walters

Lieutenant General, USA

(404)

—l,~

35. On June 23, 1972 at 3:00 p.m. Maurice Stans met at the CRP offices with Kenneth

Dahlberg who, at the request of Stans and Fred LaRue, had flown to Washington that

day for the meeting. LaRue and Stans discussed the check drawn by Dahlberg, the

money from which had reached the bank account of Bernard Barker. At 5:00 p.m. on

the same

day Dahlberg met with Stans, LaRue and Robert Mardian.

35.1 Maurice Stans calendar, June 23, 1972 (receivedfrom SSC) 406

35.2 Maurice Stans testimony, 2 SSC 701 407

35.3 Maurice Stans telephone records, June 23, 197 2

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35.2 MAURICE STAXS TF,STIMOXY, JUNE 12, 1973. 2SSC 701

The treasurer, not being sure, discussed it with the general counselfor the committee and the general cotmsel suggested that he take the

check and convert it into cash. The treasurer gave him the check.Now, again, I can report what the treasurer has said, that he did

not get the proceeds of the check back until some time in Stay. Hereceived them in full and they were deposited in a bank accotmt onMay 25.

Now, as to those two transactions and several others in a similar

category, we treated that as cash on hand on April 7 and reported itin the report of the media Committee To Re-Elect the President, inthe amount of $350,000, and that exact amount of s:350,000 svas de-posited in that committee's bank account on inlay 25. We felt that wehad complied with every requirement of the law as to the handlingand reporting of that money; we had accounted for it fully.

The General Accounting Office subsequently cited our committeefor a possible violation of the law in failing to report the $25,000. But

'' the Department of Justice, in a letter some months later, concludedthat there was no violation of the law in the handling of that trans-

action.Mr. EDAIISTEN. NIr. Stans, when was the first time that you learned

that these checks had cleared through a bank account of BernardBarker?

rvIr. STANS. It was well after the Watergate event of June 17.

Mr. EDNIISTEN. Now, shortly after that, did you have any discussions vith Mr. John Mitchell or anyone at the White House concerningany of these checks dousing the week immediately following?

Mr. STANS. I don't recall any specific conversation with John

Mitchell, but I do recall a conversation with Fred LaRue and subse-quently with Robert bIardian.

Mr. EDNIISTEN. XVhat did you talk about?

Mr. STANS. As I recall it, it was the morning of the 23d of June,

which was 6 days after the Watergate affair. I received a phone callfrom Fred LaRue, saying, "Do you know Renneth Dahlberg?"

And I said, "I certainly do."He said, "Well, his contribution ended up in a bank account of one

of the felloxvs who lYSS arrested."I said, "Dahlberg didn't make a contribution."He said, "NYell, it is his check."

So he came down and we discussed it and concluded that, in somemanner or other, Dahlberg's check must have reached the bank

recount of Bernard Barker.We called Dahlberg and discussed it with him, got him to Wash

ington on that same day, met with him, and he met with LaRue andJ think with guardian, and got all the facts of the transaction in hand.It was clear that neither Dahlberg nor I nor Hugh Sloan had anythingto do with the checks, that check or the Mexican checks, entering theBarker bank account. They could only have gotten there through thehan(ls of our general counsel, Gordon Liddy, who had taken them intohis custody

Mr. EDAIISTEN. Air. stanS, I am going to skip along, I don't X-antto encroach on the committee. At one time did you approve or consentto giving WIr. Fred LaRue $80,000?

Azlr. KSTANS. Yes, I did. Would you like to knoxv the background ofthat?

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35. 3 NOTE: C12/473-3002 I,S THE LISTED TElEPHOSE SUMBER FOR XE§NETH DAHLBERG

(SOURCE: TELEPHOIZE DIRECTORY FOR M7gFEAPOLIS AWD SURROUFDISG

COItCYUXITIES1 DECEM3ER 1973, 28)

(408)

36. on Or before June 26, 1972 Walters determined that there Were

no CIA sources or activities in Mexico that might be jeopardized by

FBI investigations Of the 0garriO Check in Mexico. On June 26, 1972

Walters met with John Dean and advised him that there was nothing in any of the FBI investigations that could jeopardize or

compromise in

.any way CIA activities or sources in Mexico.

..................................................................................................................................................................................Page

.36.1 Vernon Walters testimony, 9 SSC 3407-09 410

36.2 Vernon Walters memorandum for record, June 28,1972, SSC Exhibit NO. 130, 9 SSC 3816-17 413

(409)

36.1 VFfi#VON W E TEfiWS TESTIMONY. AUGUST 3. 1973, 9 SSC3407-09

3407

rI did.

Mr. DASH. And then what did you do ?

General WALERS. I do not recall whether I went back to the Agency or not. I don't think time would haveallowed it because the appointment had been made to see ZIr. Gray at 2 :30 p.m. My recollection is not clearon this, whether I went back to the Agency or whether I stayed downtown. I have a feeling I stayeddowntown and at 2:30 I went to see Mr. Gray.

Mr. DASH:. No v, was Mr. Gray, by the way, expecting your visit?

General WALERS. 3Ir. Gray, I believe, was expecting my visit.Mr. DASH. How do you kno v that ?General XVAL~RS. I believe he has subsequently testified that Mr. Dean had told him that I nvas on my

way down.

Mr. DASH. All right.Now, would you brieflv relate to your best recollection what conversation you had with Mr. Bray at that

time? This avas on June •23, 1972.

General WALKS. I said to Mr. Gray that I had just come from the White House where I had talked to some

senior stay members and I was to tell him that the pursuit of the FBI investigation in Mexico, the continuation

of the FBI investigation in Mexico, could—might uncover some covert activities of the Central Intelligence

Agency. I then repeated to him what Mr. Helms had told me about the agreement between the FBI and GLUT

and he said he was quite aware of this and I intended to observe it scrupulously.

Mr. DASH. Now, did vou tell him who gave you the direction to

General WALERS. I did not. I told him I had talked to some senior people at the White House.Mr. DASH. Now, was that the Sum and substance of that conversation in Mr. Gray's office ?

General WALERS. I believe so. We had expressed pleasure at meeting one another. I had intended to callon him, and so forth, and anything else that occurred I believe will be covered in the memorandum which isin your possession.

Mr. DASH. I think you testified that you also on June 28 included a memorandum of the meeting withNIr. Gray on June 23. I would like to show you a copy of the memorandum and ask you if this is a correctcopy and does it cover the testimony you have just given.

General WALERS. Yes, it is a Cornet Copy.Mr. DASH. MrX Chairman, may that memorandum be marked as an exhibit and be received in evidence ?

Senator ERVIN. In the absence of objection by any committee member it is so ordered and will beappropriately marked as an exhibit and received in evidence as such.

[The document referred to was marked exhibit No. 129.*]

Mr. DAS3s. Now, after you met with WIr. Gray did you return to your offices at the CIA and

General WALTERS. Yes; I did.

Mr. DASH [continuing]. Ancl did you make a report of that meeting to former Director Helms ?

General WALTERS. And I also started to check on whether this was a fact. I talked to the people at ourgeographic area that handles Mexico and I am not sure whether this avas completed on the Friday

•See p. 3S15.

(410)

36.1 VERAJON WALTERS TESTIMONY, AUGUST 3, 19?3, 9 SSC 3407-09

3408

afternoon or whether it was completed Monday morning, but it vas soon clear to me that nobody echo ~v.i -sponsible for that area ill the Agency felt that the ongoing FBI inv. ligation could jeopardize any of theAgency sources or activities in AIe.xico.

Mr. DASE. Well, now, did you subsequently receive any communication from anybody at the WhiteHouse after Jtule 23?

General DIALERS. On Monday morning, June 26, I received a phone call from a man who identified

himself as John Dean and he said he wished to speak to me about the matters that Mr. Haldeman and Air.

Ehrlichman had discussed with me on Friday. I did not lmow lWr. DeaIL And I expressed so—something to

the effect that I don't know Rho you are and he said, "5Vell, you can call, Arr. Ehrlichman to see whether it is

all right to talk to me or not."

He. DASE. Did you cad WIr. Ehrlichman ?

General wALTERS. I called WIr. Ehrlichman. I had some difficulty in reaching him but finally I reached

him and I said: "A iSlr. John Dean wants to talk to me about the matters discussed with you and ZIr.

Haldeman on the preceding Friday" arid he said: "Yes, it is all right to talk with him. He is in charge of the

whole matter."

Mr. DASE. Did you then meet with BIr. Dean on that day?

General WALTERS. I then—

Mr. nARR The 9.Rth

General WALTERS. I then called Mr. Dean again and he asked me to come down and see him, I believe, at11:30 or 11 :4a. I believe it is indicated on theomemorandum I wrote.

Mr. DASH. Will you relate to the committee the conversation you had with Mr. Dean at that time, on June-Q6, 19z2 ?

General WALERS. Mr. Dean said that he was handling this whole matter of the Watergate, that it avascausing a lot of trouble, that it was very embarrassing. The FBI was investigating it. The leads had led tosome important people. It might lead to some more important people.

The FBI vas proceeding on three hypotheses, namely, that this break-in had been organized by the

Republican National Committee, by the Central Agency, or by someone else; V hereupon I said I did not

know who else organized it but I knolv that the Central Intelligence Agency did not organize it. I said,

furthermore.—I related to Atr. Dean my conversation with Err. Haldeman and Fir. Ehrlichman on the previous

Friday, and told him I had checked within the Agency and found there lvas nothing in anv of the ongoing

FBI investigations that could jeopardize CIA activities or sources or compromise them in any way in Mexico.

He then said, "Well, could this not have happened without vour knolvled,ze?" "Well," I said, "orioinallvperhaps, but I hare inquired. I have talked to Mr. Helms and I am sure that eve had no part in this operationagainst the Democratic National Committee."

He kept pressing this. There must have been. These. people all used to world for the CI.-t. and all this

thinly I sa d mavhe thev used to, but thev were not when they did it and he pressed and pressed 011. on this

and asked if these nvas not some ~vnV I could help him. and it seemed to me he was exploring perhaps the

Option of seeing svhethel he could pelt some of the blame on us. Thele xvas not anv snweifie thinly he said

belt the genes al tenor was i 11 this xvaV and r said to h ills—I did rot have an opportunity to eonslllt with

anybody—I SilllplV Slid.

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air. Dean, any atteJnpt to involve the Ageney in the stifling of this affair svould be a disaster. It would destroy the credibility of the Agency with the

Congress, with the nation. It could be a grave disservice to the President. I nvill not be a party to it and I am quite prepared to resign before I do anything that

will implicate the Agency in this matter.

This seemed to shock him somewhat. I said that anything that would involve any of these Government

agencies like the CIA and FBI in anything improper in this way would be a disaster for the Nation. Somewhat

reluctantly he seemed to accept this line of argument and I left.

Mr. DASH. ATow, General Walters, since you had made the check prior to seeing AIr. Dean concerning

whether in fact any FBI investigation in Mexico would seriously or not seriously involve any covert aetinties

of the CIA, and you reported that to Mr. Dean at this meeting, did you believe that you were responding at

that meeting then to the concern that you had received at the earlier meeting from the statement from Mr.

Haldeman i

General WALl~:RS. Yes, Mr. Dash, I did. At the risk of perhaps seeming naive in retrospect it did notoccur to me at that time that Or. Dean would not tell Mr. Gray. Mr. Gray was in touch with 3Ir. DearL Mr.Dean told me he was in touch with Mr. Gray. In retrospect I should, of course, have called Mr. Gray directly. Iregret that I did not.

Mr. DASH. And you had been informed by Mr. Ehrlichman Mrhen you checked as to whether you shouldtalk to Mr. Dean, that Mr. Dean was a person you could talk to, that he was handling the matter?

. General COALERS, That is correct.Mr. DASH. I think when you were testifying just a little while ago you said that you may have incorrectly

put in your memorandum of the June 26 meeting something that should have been in another meeting. I want

to show you your memorandum or a writing that appears to be a memorandum prepared by you on June 28

dealing with the conversation you had with Mr. Dean on June 26 and ask you if you want to make a

correction as to that memorandum for the record. You will notice, General WValters, that there is an excised

portion of that memorandum which has been cut out and on our receipt of that, it appeared to be matters

which dealt with national security and, therefore, was excised.

General WALTERS. Fine. I am very appreciative of the committee for doing this.

Yes, it does. If I were to make a correction somewhat complicated it would really be that the fourth

paragraph, the sixth and seventh paragraphs belong to the conversation of the 27th rather than the

conversation of the 26th.

WIr. DASH. And that dealt with the question of money, bail money from the CIA.

General WALTERS. That is correct. This is a correct copy,A@k. DASH. It is a correct copy of your memorandums

General WALTERS. Yes, it is.Mr. DASH. AIr. Chairman, could we have that memorandum marled as an exhibit and received in

evidences

Senator ERvrs. The memorandum will be appropriately numbered as an exhibit and received in evidenceas such.

(412)

36.2 VERNON WAlTERS AENMORAiVDUMI JUNE 28) 1972) SSC EXHIBIT F0. 1309 SSC 3816-17.

F;x~{lBlT blfl. 1:1}

MEMORANDUM FOR RECORD 2

Z8 June 1972

On 26 June at about 10:00 a. m. I received a phone call from Mr. John Dean at the White House. Fle said he wished to see me about the

matter~that John Ehrlichman and Bob Haldeman had discussed with me on the Z3rd of June. I could check this out with them if I wished. I agreed to

call on him in his office in Room 106 at the Executive Office Building at 1145 that morning. Immediately after hanging up, I called Ehrlichman to find

out if this was alright and after some difficulty I reached him and he said I could tank freely to Dean.

At 114; I called at Dean's office and saw him alone. He said that the investigation of the Watergate "bugging" case was extremely awkward, there were lots

of leads to important people and that the FBI which was investigating the matter was working on three theories:

}'. It Was organized by the Republican National Committee.

2. It was organized by the CL~.

3. It was organized by some.other party.

I said that I had discussed this with Director Helms and I was quite sure that the Agency was not in any way involved and I knew that the Director

wished to distance himself and the Agency from the matter. Dean then asked whether I was sure that the Agency was not involved. C g I said that I was sure that

none of the suspects had been on the Agency payroll for the last two years.

Dean then said that some of the accused were getting scared and "wobbling". I said that even so they could not implicate the Agency. Dean then

asked whether there was not some way that the Agency coum:rpay baii for them ltney nad been unable to ralse calf}. He added that it was not just bail, that if

these men went to prison, could we (CIA) find some way to pay their salaries while they were in jail out of covert action funds.

(413)

36.2 VERNON WALSERS DEMO S NDV8!~ JUNE 28) 1972, SSC EXHIBIT F0.130,

9 SSC 3816-17. _Ax, I_

1 said that I mus, be quite clear. I was the Deputy Director

and as such had only authority specifically delegated to me by the

Director and was not in the chain of command but that the great

strength of the Agency and its value to the President of the nation

lay in the fact that it was apolitical and had never gotten itself

involved in political disputes. Despite the fact that I had only

been with the Agency a short time, I knew that the Director felt

strongly about this.

I then said that big as the troubles might be with the Watergate

Affair, if the Agency were to provide bail and pay salaries, this

would become known sooner or later in the current "leaking"

atmosphere of Washington and at that point the scandal would be

ten times greater as such action could only be done upon direction

at the "highest level" and that those who were not touched by the

matter now would certainly be so.

Dean seemed at first taken aback and then very much

impressed by this argument and said that it was certainly a very

great risk that would have to be weighed. I repeated that the

present affair would be small potatoes compared to what would

happen if we did what he wanted and it leaked. He nodded gravely.

I said that, in addition. the Agency would be completely

discredited with the public and the Congress and would lose all

value to the President and the Administration. Again he nodded

gravely .

He then asked if I could think of any way we (CIA) could help.

I said I Could not think of any but I would discuss the matter with

the Director and would be in touch with him. However, I felt that

I was fully cognizant of the Director' s feelings in this matter.

He thanked me and I left.

s

Vernon A. Walters

Lieutenant General. USA

2

(414)

37. on Or about June 27 , 1972 John Dean and Fred F1e1ding, his assistant, delivered to FBI agents a portion

of the materials from Howard Hunt's safe. The materials given to the FBI agents included top secret diplomatic dispatches relating to

Vietnam. The portion withheld from the FBI agents included fabricated diplomatic cables purporting to show the involvement of the Kennedy

administration in the fall of the Diem regime in Vietnam, memoranda concerning the Plumbers unit, a file relating to an investigation Hunt had

conducted for Charles Colson at Chappaquidick, and two notebooks and a pop-up address book.

Page

37.1 John Dean testimony, 3 SSC 937-38, 948 416

37.2 Fred Fielding dePOSStSOn, May 15 , 1973 , Democratic..................................................................................................................National Committee V. MCCOrd, 15, 34-35 419

37.3 FBI inventory Of Contents Of Hunt ' S Safe, PUbSiShedSq inqartions in SJC. Gras Nomination Hearings,

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March 7, 1973, 329-30

37 .4...Richard Ben-Ven1Ste Statement, United States V ............_iddY, November 5, 1973, 3-5 424

(415)

37.1 J0g11 DEAN TESTIMOIIIY~ JUICE 25~ 1973~ 3 SSC 937-38~948

937

When Petersen arrived at Eleindienst's office he gave a status report of the investigation. Kleindienst then

related my concern to Petersen. Petersen v as troubled by the case and the implications of it. Itleindienst had

another meeting, so Petersen and I—I believe the other meeting was in his office, so Petersen and I went into

Atr. Isleindienst's back office and talked further. To the best of May recollection, lve did not discuss specifics,

rather it was a general discussion.

I told him I had no idea where this thing might end. but I told him I did not think the Mrhite House couldvithstand a wide-open investigation. The sum and substance of our conversation svas that I had no

dea how far this matter might go, but I had reason—without being specific—to suspect the worst. Themeeting ended on that note, that I hoped I was wrong.

I do not recall ever reporting this meeting to Ehrlichmans because he had a somewhat strained relationship

Tvith Eleindienst and I thought he would raise havoc that I did not have an assurance from Kleindienst that

he would take care of everything. I did report. however, that I felt Petersen would handle this matter fairly and

not pursue Ma wide-open inquiry into everything the White House had been doing for 4 years. I made this

statement not because of anything Petersen speoifically said, as much as the impression he gave me that he

realized the problems of a wide-open investigation of the Cite House in an election year.

Returning now to the contents of Btr. Hunt's safe, it lvas mid-morning on Tuesday, June 20, when the GS

& men brought several cartons to my office, which contained the contents of Hunt's safe. I had learned earlier

that morning from Fielding that the boxes had been secured in IVehrli's office overnight. Fielding also

reported that they had found a handgun in the safe, which Rehrli had disengaged, a large briefcase containing

electronic equipment, and a number of documents, some of which were classified. I told Fielding I would like

his assistance later that day in going through the material.

During the afternoon of the 20th, Fielding and I began going through the cartons of Hunt's materials. I

remember looking in the briefcase, which contained electronic equipment. I franklv do not know vhat it vas it

contained, but it contained loose svires, Chapsticks for your lips with vires coming out of them and

instruction sheets for walkie-talkies. As I recall, there were also some antennas in there.

lVe then began sortino the documents. The bulk of the papers vere classified cables from the state

Department relating to the early years of the war in Vietnam. These were separated out from the rest of the

papers. The other papers I assumed related to Htmt's vorlK at the White House. Also, there svere personal

papers. I will attempt, to the ' best of my recollection, to describe the papers and documents that

vere found in the safe. I must point out. hoavever, that I personallv did not look at all the documents. ratherit xvas a combined effort bvFieldint., and m {,-self to determine what Novas in Hunt's safe.

First, among his personal papers xsere copies of his submissions for his per diem pay as a consultant, afey travel.vouchers. and an envelope containing materials of a personal nature relating to his wife.

Among the papers that I assumed related to his ~VOI'I; at the Althite House lvere mantel ous mermolalldllms to (?hltel(<olsoll regarding

Hunt's assessment of the plumbers unit operation and critical of WIr.

(416)

37.1 JOHN DEBUT TESTIMONYj JUvE 25~ 1973~ 3 SSC937-38~ 948

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IErogh's handling of matters; a number of materials relating to ZIr. Daniel Ellsberg, such IS news clippings anda psychological study of Ellsberg vhich apparently had been prepared by someone who had

• never actually met or talked with AIr. Ellsberg; a bogus cable—that is, other cables spliced together into one

cable regarding the involvement of persons in the Kennedy administration in the fall of the Diem regime in

Vietnam; a memorandum regarding some discussion about the bogus cable with Colson and BIr. William

Lambert; some materials relating to an investigation Hunt had conducted for Colson at Chappaquidlek, some

materials relating to the Pentagon Papers and a paperback book containing the published Pentagon Papers.

Upon examining the contents of the safe, I recall that Fielding and I discussed our concern about the

public impact some of these documents might have if they became public, particularly in an election Near. I

requested that Fielding remove the politically sensitive documents from the others, which he did. The

classified State Department cables nvere too bulky for my own safe, so I called David Young and requested

that he store them for me in his office, as I assumed at that time that they would probably be returned to the

State Department. I told Young when he came to pick up the materials that they had come from Hunt's safe and

he should store them—all together—until I told him what to do with them. Accordingly, Mr. Young took the

state Department documents to his office.. the large briefcase was stored in a locked closet in my office suite,

and the politically sensitive documents and Hunt's personal papers lvere placed in a safe in my office.. The

remaining materials vere left in the cartons on the floor in

. my office..

I subsequently met vith Ehrlichman to inform him of the contents of Hunt's safe. I gave him a description

of the electronic equipment and told him about the bogus cable, the materials relating to Ellsberg and the

other politically sensitive documents. I remember well his instructions: He told me to shred the documents

and "deep six" the briefcase. I asked him what he meant by ' deep six." He leaned back in his chair and said:

"You drive across the river on your way home at night—don't you?" I said, yes. He said, "Well, when you

cross over the bridge on your way home, just toss the briefcase into the river."

I felt very much on the spot, so I told him in n joking manner that I would bring the materials over to him

and he could take care of them because he also crossed the river on his way home at night,. He said. no thank

you, and I left his office and returned to my oflice.

After leaving Erlichman's office I thought about what he had told me to do and was very troubled. I raised

it with Fielding and he shared my feelings that this would be an incredible action to destrov potential

evidence. I think Mr. Fielding appreciated my quandary—when Ehrlichman said do something he expected it

to be done. I decided to thinlr it over. I did take the briefcase out of my office because the closet that it avas

being stored in was used by the secretaries in t,he office and I did not have an available safe to hold the large

briefense. I divas also giving see ions consideration to Ehrlichman's instructions Aecordinel.v, I placed the

briefcase in the trunk of my car. lshel e it remained lentil I returned it to the office after I had reached a decision

that I could not follow ~,hrlichman's instrnetions. I avill explain ill n felv minutes hoav I handled the material

in Hlmt's safe, but before doing so, I xvonld like to continue with the sequence of events.

(417)

.z7 1,TnS1V nF.AN TEST1NONY. J MOE 25. l9i23. 3 SSC 937-38.948

been earlier, that the CLt could IlOt and would not be brought in tosolve the problems confronting the AVhite lIouse and leelec:tlon com-

mittee as a result of the Altatergate incident.I subsequently informed Ehrlichman and TIalclemall that unless thePresident directlv ordered the CI t to provide sul)l)ort for thoseinvolled that the CI&'was not grille to get ill\-ol\-ecl. I told them Iagreed with Walters that this would lie a telril)le mistake and the,)

both told me they agreed.

TRM^SSMI1m1D#-G THE AUKS IN MR. HENT'S S. is TO TTIE FBI

# I woid now like to explain the transmittina of the materials inI lIuxlt's safe to the FBI. As I noted earlier, shortlv after the FBI inter-| VIeNV on June 22 of Colson, and my later instructions from Ehrlichman

to -Deep Sis" the briefcase and shred documents. I had informed theFBI it I would forward the material found in Hunt's office. Afterweighıng the implications of Ehrlichman's instructions to destrov theitems I decided that I would not engage in an) such activity mvself orbe pushed into it. Accordingly, I asked David Younc to return theState Department cable to m) office. I had already returned the lvrief-case from my car trunk to my office

I received several calls from the FBI requesting the material, butr had not yet figured out how to tell Ehrlichman I lras not doing todestroy the material. I knew I had to develop a good argument to giveEhllichman as to why the materials should not be destroyed. OnJune So or 96 I went to Ehrlichman to explain that I thou,ffllt themen who drilled the safe had probablv seen the briefcase, that theSecret Service agent who svas present had probablv seen some of thematerial; that AIr. Ivehrli and Fieldine had seen it—and what wouldhappen when all those people were later asked by the FRI about tlle,e contents of the safe. Then, I said I felt vie must tlirn over the materialto the FBI. With regard to the sensitive documents. I suggested thatthev be given directly to Grav. I told Ehrlichman that, if ever askedunder oath, I had to be able to testify that to the best of mV lilloxvled~e,

everythino found in the safe had been turned overto the F BI.

. The FBI agents came to mv office. I believe on Tulle _6 or 47.I gave them one box, which had been packed and told them thatas soon as t.he other material lvas packed I would vet it to them. MtheI got tied up in a meeting, I phoned Fieldine and asked him to packup the remainder of the materials. r.srhich I believe vas the State De-partment cables and the briefcase. He did so and turtled over the re-mainder of the materials, with the exception of the t vo envelopeswhich contained the politically sensitive materials I described earlier.I spoke with Ehrlichman on the °8th and informed hint the materialhad been sent to the FBI with the exception of the politicallv sensitivedocuments. He told me he lvas meetino later that darr witll Grav and_ I should brine them over at that time

I vent to Ehrlichman's office just before Afr. gTI',1V arrived. I placedthe envelopes on the coffee table ill his oflice. AV}leu (>Trav arlivecl.

Ehrlichman told him that vie had solne material for hill; that leadcome from Hunt's safe. Ehrlicllman described it as politi(-alll- sensi-

tive. lout not related to the A0tatel bate I tol(l (rev tlr.lt 14 ieldilltr andI had ,eone tllrolllrll Hunt's documents aull had turtled ovel all the

materials to the agents except the documents ill these txvo envelopes.

(418)

37, 2 FRED FIELDING DEPOSITION, hAY 15, 1973, DNC v. McCORD, 15, 34-35

correct? Would it be the morning of the 20twSro Yes, tnz r.e--- ng d the 20th~. When-you 7rent-Shtou~h-she >

tes.wi~E t~~.<se A,, what was . co2itainZ . i n . tSwse Cues? .

. A Aside fr,~-th~--briefcase-, of-co se,;.ti bulk of. anmaterial were cabled copLesg of cableso

Q DS d yoa read to cables?

A. Just briefly I looked at them.

Q Do- you recall the contents of those Cables?

A Only generally. The-cables, as I-recall~-~r¢;classi-

fied .

Q

A I would have -no way -of knowing if they have been

dec:lassified.or not. They bore clarification markings on them.

Q eWhat were- the markings that indicated-to you that they

were classified?

A Standard top

- Q Stamp?

A These were ThearmofaX. I don't really recall if they were stamped or just typed only.

Q Are these the telegrams that we ha~se-been read.. about in the paper which Mr. Munt all we edgy has d ~

tor i up?

A so. There were a lot of babies that I ~ utd co~s\^ttO be legitiTnaee cables. In addition, there

(419)

37.2 FRED FIElDING DEPOSITIONj MMY 15, 1973) DNC V. McCORD, 15)34-35

34

over, to the best of my knowledge it was all tu~rled over, but T wanted to gil8!lif3t It to that stint; Qthat At amEn't a}2- turned over

to the sa;ne person, Pout it'*as-all turned freer tv the same

organizatidff-, to t s best: of at xnowlbdge.

d Ibid Mr~ Dem tell you iwb he had those discussions

A 0 ff

A

: Q

A

0 -Yes .

Who were;~chose people?

Be bid ma rt';uSs'iliscusEd with ~.'E'*lic~.

Mr. eatdeman?

No. As-I recall, the only na A- E at r recall in that

conversation was';Mb. E:lirlichuian. donteiVably,he-could harre

talked-to any number of people. I don't know. t wasn't-

privy to any conversation::excepit betwe*-Mr. E>ean and-myself.

Q You were [email protected] on any conversations?

A No.

Q' YQU were getting rep::>sts as to how this was-go~g to be handled? S f

SS; ' It wasn't even reports. It was just conversations that we had. During this period of time that that

material was In the safe, I was doing other things.

Q Ellen did the materiill come out or the safe, to the be st or flour lcnovi71edgo?

(420)

37.2 FRED FIELDING DEPOSITION, MAY 15, 1973, DNC v. McCORD,15. 34-35

A I believe on the 27th. I got a call from Mr. Dean

and he asked me -- he told ane that he had turned over £om,e of

the things that morning and asked xne.to get ^ b x --

O bet me stop- you. You say he ."turned Over, SQltlf!~ of

the ~ inga." ~ at.type Of .thing8 did he:turn over?

A, ee called me and said he had turned over some of. the

things that morning-or that Afternoon -- I don't remember pre-

cisely what-the time frame was -- and ~ uld I get a box and

turn over the rest of it, that the FBI agents would come and

pick it up. I got a box. He told me the material to be turned

over was sitting on the.co£fee table in his office. I got a

box, went in, put the material in the boxy put the briefcase

in-the box, sealed fhe,box-, wearied it "50p Secret," preswaing. .

that that was the highest classification of anything there,,

When the agents came up to pick it up, they had already had

some materials. As I recall, they gave me an inventory sheet

at that point, although.I don't recall whatever happened to ~

the inventory sheet. We have looked for it subsequently. That

is why it is fresh in my mind that 1 didn't know where it was.

They,wanted to return the gun, the pistol, and I told them they

either took all or nothing, so they went baclc and chec)ced, got

on tne telephone X did something and then agreed that they B A

L41-021 0 - 74 - 28

NYCl-11~ X ~ p the pistol and then they took the Fox.

* rD cor;~ecr [re.vo>2fsPeJc endow

(421)

37.3 FBI IlVVEIVTORY OF COIVTEIZTS OF HUNTtSSAFEv

SAC, GRAY NOMINATION HEARING 329-30

399

[NIr. Gray subsequently submitted the following document for

the record:]

FEDERAL BUREAU OF ISVESTIG.VTIOX,

July S. 197o.

Mr. John Dean, Legal Counsel to Richard M. Nixon, President of the United states, Executive Offlcc Building, 17th andPennsylvania Avenue, N.\V., V\~ashington, D.C. (WDC) provided Special Agents Daniel C. Utahan and Michael J. King of the FBI, ts I)C onecardboard box, vvhich he stated was the effects of Mr. Everette Howard Bunt taken front Room 33S of the Executive OfficeBuilding. The effects contained in this box provided by NIr. Dealt are listed as

follows:

One small metal box;

One .25 caliber automatic Colt revolver, bearing Serial Number 321S03;

One clip for this revolver, containing live ammunition;

One holsterOne Rolodex file

One copy of the Cook "Pentagon Papers";

Numerous sheets of carbon copy papers;

Two White House pads;

Numerous sheets of White House stationery;

One desk calendar

A quantity of office supplies, three stamp pads, scissors, pens and pencils, scotch tape, staples, staple gun, glue, and aclipboard;

Two folders (instructions of office operation);

One blanket

One plastic carrying case.

' Interviewed on June 27, 1972, at Washington, D.C. File No. NVFO 13>166 by SAs Daniel C. Utahan and Michael J. King.Date dictated June 29, 1972.

FEDERAL BURE.\U OF INSESTIG.\TION,

Date of transcription: July 3, 19,2.

Mr. Fred Fielding, Assistant to the Legal Counsel to Richard Or.- Nixon

President of the Ignited states, Executive Office Building, 17th and Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W., Washington, D.C. (WDC), furnished SpecialAgents Daniel C. Mahan and Michael J. King of the FBT, WDC, one large cardboard box sealed with tape and marked withpen " Top Secret".

An inventory of the contents of that box is listed as follows:

1. One brown envelope marked " Howard Hunt, Eyes Only, Personal, Unclassified".

2. Six brown envelopes containing classificd material relating to the "Pentagon Papers . #

3. One tan folder marked "Ellsberg" containing numerous papers concerning one Daniel Ellsberg.

4. One tan folder marked " Pentagon Papers" containing newspaper articles.

5. One tan folder marked "Time and Pay Records" containing verification of hours worked at the White House.

6. One tan folder marked " Correspondence" containing copies of letters.

7. One tan folder marked "Press Contacts" containing press contacts and newspaper articles.

8. One tan folder marked "John Paul Mann" containing a newspaper article.

9. One empty gray folder.

10. One black attache case containing the following list of items:

Four I(el-Com Transceivers Technical Manual and Operating Instruction—Bell and Howell 14S-1745[CS;

Two antennas—UG-447/H and numbered 74S6S;

RG-58A/U, Belden 8259 Antenna Lead wire

Four rechargeable rnodel Bl nickel cadmium batteries—Bell and lIon-ell:

One tear gas cannistcr/General HIS VII, A1/G. General Ordnance Equipment Corp., Pittsburgh, Pa;

Two microphones—simulated chapstick containers;

Three antenna Scads;

Two earphones, nurlllJered 8813, 9042;

Four antennas, bendalJlc Fire;

Six jack wires;.

(422)

37.3 FBI l7VVE'#TORY OF CONTENTS OF HUNTtSSAFE')

SAC) GRAY NOAlTGAtrIOX HEALTI§GS 329-30

330

One shoulder harness with white lead ,-ire and phone jackThree shoulder harnessed

Three belt harnesses

Three operating instructions for Bell and Ho>-ell Portable Transmitter:

One SiXobil Oil Co. snap of Delaware, Maryland, 's,'irginia and quest vir¢inia, wits pencil circle around Warrenton, Virginia area and with pencil circle

around Unlon Station area

Txvo lead wires with black end and pink end;

One Avis rental car map of the Baltimore, SId., and W-DC area, with circles around junction of Route (;9.4 and I9,, circle in the area of junction with

George Washington Memorial Parkway and I95, circled area of junction with George B ashington Memorial Parkway and Route I66, circled area (,f junction

of Capital Beltway and Maryland Route 190 (diver Road), circled area of junction xvith I270 and I49.5, circled area of Campbell Corner, NIarvland, circled area

of 14th and K streets, N. W., with a pencil route traced from the House of Representatives Office Buildings to the 14th and K Street areas,.

Interviewed on June 27, 1972, at Washington, D.C. File Dio. WFO 139-166, bv SAs Daniel C. Mahan and Michael J. King. Date dictated June 29, 1972.

Senator B1'RD. Did the FBI believe Atr. Dean turned over everrthing that had been taken from ^Lilr.Hunt's safe?

WIr. GRAY. I linoxv allegations have been made that this did not occur. This came up in October, as Irecall, when I tlunk there xvas a motion to suppress evidence filed by Mr. Hunt, and his attorney. .st that timeeve again Event into this allegation, with the assistant U.S. attorney and With the Assistant Attorney Generalin the Criminal Division, regarding a pocket notebook and a Hermes notebook.

I think I am correct in saving that the agents event to stores here in Washington trying to identify aHermes notebook or a Hermis notebook, whatever that is. But the allegations xvere ma(le in that motion tosuppress that this pocket notebook and this Hermes notebook nvere not turned over.

That NVflS not found in any of the effects of Hoz~-nrd Hunt. This lvas looked into in the presence of thespecial agent, the assistant U.S. attorney—this divas at the time eve revere preparing to respond to thatmotion—and the Assistant Attorney General ill charge of the Criminal Division.• And there is no evidence at all that that pocket notebook anel that Hermes notebook lvere there.. Senator BYRD. Was A:lr. Dean subsequently questioned?

Mr. GRAY. He rvas questioned at that time, yes; he was. \ es, that is, correct.Senator BYRD. On What date nvas he questioned?Mr. GRAY. I lvill have to get the date for VOu for the record(Mr. Gray subsequently submitted the folloxvinv document for the record :)

b[r. GRAY. Upon checking the records, Senator Bard, I have learned that on Januarv 4, 1973, in pretrial preparation, Air. Dean, AIr. iXehrli and Sir.

Fielding were all questioned by Assistant U.S. Attorney Silbert, in the presence of As~;ista2lt Attorney General Petersen of the Criminal l)ivi ion and a Special

Agent of our Washington Field Office in AIr. Petersen's office at the Justiee Building.

Senator BYRD. Was he questioned subseqttent to the first interro(>atism? Were there follo~s-ups?btr. GRAY. A-0; I lvill have to look at the date of the list of intervie~^s. I am talking now about When lle

\\';tS questioned regauging the motion to sul)l)ress and the fact that there there items missiu;, from the materialturned over to us.

Senator BYRD. Are you collvin<,ed that there Was 110 elTort to collce anything?

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37.d RICHARD BE#-VENISTE STATEMENT. NOVEMBER 5. l9Z3. U.S. V.DIDDY, 3-5

ITILE L~~rTti~v~-~ Wilt

I'd Cr' ;alnal Action No. 18Z7-72,

I United states of lMril-.ica versus E. Ilot.fard Blunt, James W. WIcCordA

. . : --, I

I Bernard L. Barker, ,,l ,sTento .p\. Martinet, Frank A. Sturgis and I

vi rgi limo R. G an z ale s .

:' '1

-- Plr. Phiiir';T.<.cJvara and Fir. Richard Ben-Yeniste, ' '-

\ .

couns e l f o r the go of e \ none

ok. Sione)- Sac1^s. counsel for Mr. Hunt.. . -.

Ear. Bernard }J. seasXer-W!ald, counsel for Mr,.McCord.

Air. Daniel L<. .''zultz,-counsel for lWlessrs. Barker,- --

Mart ine z, St u rgi s an d (.011 Z al e z .

THAI COUR!': Mr. Shultz --

.

try. SIIULT~: Yes a Your Honor.

THE COURT: As to the defendants whom you represent,

I do you waive their right to be present here today?

AIR. Sl-IULT7: Yes, I do , Your Honor.

: . f - - - 0 . .

TINE COURT: tar. Shultz, I will hear you with reference

to the motion filed by flour clients to withdraw their pleas of

guilty. I will allow you one half-hour and then'~I-will allow

ti,e Government one l;al:-^-hour to answer.

,

MR. BEN-VENlS'I'E: May I make a brief statement ' of

THE COURT: Ye s .

MR. BEN-V~.0'ISTE: Your Honor, this is in connection 'I

the mot_ on made by tie defendant Hunt and it relates to

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4

e~.~i .-. i-e w.hir:h has recently con.e into our possession from John 1s's Tlza~e II.'. As you know, Your Honor, lair. Dean pleaded

guilty aJ1 October l.t?th before this Court and following that time we had oc.casi>, ..o interview him from ulnae to time but the 0

dcwre'.'s:~p:.envs c-rer the last few weeks inhibited us to some 2:cte?}.'£Tf-.l doing that as thoroughly as we would like.

However Las_ 6'rislQ-y5 while vie - were in Court, members of our staff . thee s iewesl Ilr. Dean and questioned him with respect to the

D ~onter.>s o- or. ~{llr.t's safe. This was the first occasion on which ~.etl~~ers of tıhe Special Prosecution Force had the opportunlt-.>

to question him about this matter. Mr. Dean relate teat at sore time in late January, 1973, he discovered a file' folder in his office

containing the President's estate plal.l>tso clotll-!~ound notebooks with cardboard covers and lined pages ,contailling some

handwriting. Dean at that time resLalled that these had come from Howard Hunt's safe. Dean did not look at the contents and cannot

recall what rtight have been in them.-' He assumed it related to the Ellsberg break-in. .~He shredded-': .E both notebooks in his

shredder.

At the same time he also discovered a pop-up address . boo'- containing some names with each page x-d ou,t'in

ink. Dears threw this pop-up notebook into the waste basket at the time.These are facts, of course, which defense counsel should

kno.w. about. We are apprising tne Court of them at this time for tll at p urI;os e e s

i_ belief that this does not alter our

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LIDDY

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L1s Pal alr,>eme]lt which tore 1~tl 11 present to the Court ill due course.|

I Thank you, flour Honor.

l THE. COURT: Do you Irish to say anything?

| .............WiR.........SACHS: At this time; no, Your Honor.

'[liE COURT: WIr. Shultz, I will hear from you.

0'iR. SHULTZ: Your Honor, my understanding of the

I arL,~m,ent today with respect to the motions filed for leave . Lto •tithd.aw guilty pleas is to address ourselves to the Question of

w.lilether or not chat we have submitted is legally su£ICicie7l~ either to grant the motions on the basis of the papelA l that have been

submitted or to require a hearing. -I would like ! to say at The outset that for possibly the first time, at least in part, we agree

with the Government. l\le feel that based upon what has been submitted that a hearing isn' t necessarA.

. either, but we feel because the motions should be granted. I

|'l'he affidavits which we have submitted pursuant to the Courtzs

request and tne.Governmentis urging axle feel set for the fact

that these defendants, tar. Martinez, Mr. Gonzalez, tar. sturgis

and Mr. Barker ,do have a defense to the charges themselves .

In large part, the only reason -and purpose for a hearing at ,

this point would be for the Government to challenge the

validity of their defense, and we think the authorities are s

clear in saying that in terms of ruling on a motion to withdraw |

and one made pre-sentence that the Court is not supposed to

delve into the merits of the proffered defense. While on the I

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38. on June 26 Or 27, 1972 Dean met With Walters and asked if there was any way the CIA could provide

the bail money or pay the salaries of the persons arrested in connection with the break-in at the DNC headquarters. Walters said the

CIA would do so only on a direct order from the President. According to Dean, his proposal to the CIA had previously been approved

by John Ehrllchman. Dean also has testified that he reported to Ehrlichman regarding Walters' negative position on the proposal, and

that he was asked by Ehrlichman to push Walters a little harder. Ehrlichman has denied receiving these reports from Dean. On

June 28, 1972 at 10:45 a.m. Dean met With EhrSIChman. At 11:30 a.m. Dean telephoned Walters

and asked Walters to see him in his EOB office. At this meeting Walters and Dean discussed the Dahlberg check and the Mexican

checks, and Dean again asked whether the CIA could do anything to stop the FBI investigation of these checks. Walters said there

was nothing his Agency could do.

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38.3 Vernon Walters teStSmOnY, 9 SSC 3410-12 433

38.4 John EhrSSChman testimony, 7 SSC 2835 436


1972, SSC EXhibit NO. 130, 9 SSC 3816-17 437


1972, SSC EXhibit NO . 131, 9 SSC 3818 439

38.7 Vernon Walters memorandum for record, June 29,1972, SSC Exhibit NO . 132, 9 SSC 3819-20 440

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38 2 JOHN DEAN TESTIMOIIIY JEUVE 2ti 1973 3 SSC 945-48. -R ~

tion I was brinaing to their attention, that this information eras being given to the President.

I clo not recall when actually I received the first written information from the FBI, but I believe it was after Jnl,y 21

when I received a summary report that had been prepared on the investigation to that stage.

I svould also like to now summarize to the bottom of the page, and indicate that when—

' 3Ir. DASH. Bottom of page 72.

AIr. DEAN. Seventy--tsvo, correct, and indicate that after I did get possession of the documents, the FBI files, I found

them not very meaningful and later Air. 31ardian, Afr. Parkinson. Or. O'Brien came over to my office and read the reports,

and Wiardian, thev all reached the same conclusion and I recall Alardian's reaction was that the documents indicated that the

investigation was too vigorous and he nvas quite critical of Gray and-asked me to call Gray to slow down but I never made

such a call.

It was after I showed a copv of the .Julv °1 report to itfr. Mitchell that AIardian insisted that he be permitted to

see the FBI reports. Mitchell agreed. and thought that Paul O'Brien and Ken Parkinson should also see them.

I recall that when guardian, O'Brien and Parkinson finallv came to my office to look at the reports, they realized

that they were notSvery meaningful. It was 5,:Er. ZIard-ian, however, who beeame very excited because of the scope

of the investigation that Gray divas conducting and the tone of the cables he was sending out of headquarters. Mardian

clearlv thought that Gray avas being too vigorous in his investigation of the case and was quite critical of Gray's

handling of the entire matter. He demanded that I tell Gray to slow down, but I never did so.

St}mmarizing the first paragraph on page 73, I aVQUId also note that I nester showed any of these reports to anv persons

srho were interviewed bV the FBI and they were onlv given to AIr. Dick Moore of the White House staff when he was working

on the Segretti matter for btr. Ehrlichman and lJk. Haldeman.

I do not recall ever finding anything in the FBI reports which I scanned, that was worth reporting to Ehrlichman

and Haldeman and so I.never read all of the reports that were sent to me. The FBI files containing the reports nearer

left mV office, nor were they shown to anvone in the White House other than Dick Afoore when Arr. Aloore had been

instructed to prepare a report- on the Segretti incident by Ehrlichman. I never shaved the reports to Any of the persons

who were interviewed by the FBI after their

interviews.

FIRST DE.&L3-S,S Frrz ~ CLK

I lvil1 turn now to the first dealings I had with the CI&. It was dnring the meeting in Afitchell's office on June 23 or 24

that Afardian filSt raised the proposition that the CIA could talse care of this entire mat

. .

NOTE.—Indented matter represents portions of war. Dean's prepared statement whleh ver-l omitted or summarized In his presentation

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946

ter ,if they wished, in that they had funds and covert procedures for distributing funds. I svas personally una

vare of the xvorkings of the CIA, but AIardian and Mitchell appeared verv knonvledreable. -ts a result of this

conversation, which seas prompted by mv rer)ortin~ that Gray thought the CI -t might be involved Alitcllell

sut;¢rested I explote with Ehrlichman and Haldeman having the White House contact the CI & for assistance.

It was also argued that the indis iduals involved in the Watergate incident, as former CI-t operatives. Light

compromise the CI & in some manner, and the CI.t should be interested in assisting.

On Monday morning, June Q6, I spoke with Ehrlichman ret arding this suggestion. He thout ht it svas a

Rood idea and worth exploring Ite told Ille to call the CfX and explole it XVitll them. I told him that I had

never dealt sVitll any one at the CI -t and did not 1;l1OVV Director Helms. He told me that I should not call

Helms. rather General Walters. I told him I did not knolv General Exalters eitller. He them

told me that he and Haldeman had had a little chat—as he called it— vith Helms and General Walters a few

days earlier about their dealings with the FBI in relationship to the investigation. He was Slot specific. He

then told me that I should deal NVitll General W5~alters because he xvas a good friend of the AVhite House

and the A0'hite House had put him in the Deputv Director position SO thev could have some influence over

the .-&gencV. IIe told me that I should tell General Walters that I lvas calling because he (Ehrlicllman) had

requested that I follow up on the earlier meeting thev had and if there were any problems General Walters

should call him. after my meeting with Ehrlichman. I telephoned General Walters. I told him I was calling at

Ehrlichman's request on a matter relating to his previous discussions with Ehrlichman and Haldeman, and

could like to have him visit with me if possible. He seemed somewhat surprised and uncertain about mv call,

so I told him that he mifrllt like to check with AIr Ehrlichman. He said he vould vet back to me and he later

called me hack to set up a meeting for about noon at that dav.

AVhen General Walters came to mv office I told him again that I svas meeting with him at Ehrlichman's

request. I made some <~relleral comments about the Watergate case. It was from mv discussion as a result of

general comment with Walters that I became alvare of the fact that Ehrlicllmall and Haldeman had discussed the

I:)alllber~ and Atex

ican money Are then discussed the fact that some of the leads that the FBI were pursuing svere. to mv

understanding were unrelated to the Al'atergate but could restllt in lrerbons, totallv tmillvolved. being

embarrassed. I lvould just like to note to counsel for the record that some of this is dith'erent from the original

l)atrination of mv draft that may hare been lost thlolltrh the transcril)illa of it here I also told him that I

understood that. the FBI had de~-efoDed three possible theories of the case. which I exl)lained and then

asked if. in fact. anx of the men arrested were persons that were ~vorlcinF for the or-v (general ARsalters

assured me that thev were loot. I then told hint that I had been asleep to explore evel v possible me;~lls of

clealintr n-irll this r.ltllel enll)allassill(r and tronl)lesollle sitnatioll. Is~eause solne of the men involved obese

looking for assistance. I asleep lliln ill thele rva ;IIlV possible Slav the CI t COIII(I be ()f assistance ill larox-

ijlill~slllwlsolt

fill the itldivi(lll;lIs involved. •lenel.ll Al~alters toltl Ille tilat xvhil

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38.2 J0]12V DEAN TESTIMONY. JUlltE 2i? 1973, 3 SSC 945-48

g47

it could, of course, be done, he told me that he knew the Director'sfeelings about such a matter and the Director would only do it on adirect order from the President. He then went 011 to say that to doanything to compound the situation would be most unwise and thatto involve the OI & would onlv compound the problem because it would

require that the President become directly involved.

B'hile I cannot recall in detail everything General Exalters told me,

I do recall that his argument svas most sound and verv persuasive. Itold him I agreed with his position fully and I had merely been askedto explore the potential, which he fiery rightly stated was too grreat arisks Us the discussion ended I asked him that if he had any furtherideas and told him I would appreciate the benefit of his thoughts. Ithanked him for his coming over and his candid answers and hedeparted

Subsequent to mv meeting with General Walters, I reported back to

Ehrlichman that Walters had informed me that anv involvement bythe CIt in this matter was impossible. I recall that m-hen I repottedthis to Ehrlichman, he very cynically said "very interesting". He toldme that I should talk with General AValters further and push him alittle harder to see if the CI.t couldn't help out, particularly withregard to the unnecessary pursuit of investigative leads. I also recallEhrlichman saying something to the effect that General Walters seems

to have forgotten how he got where he is today.

I would like to skip the paragraph on page ¢ s rewarding the call

from Gray, and turn to the last paragraph on 77.

I received a phone call from Gray on June 27 in which

he expressed both concern and confusion about his determining ifthe CIA Novas or nvas not concerned about the FBI investigation. Iwas also confused by Gray's call and do not recall at this timewhat, if anything, I did after I received it. Hoxvcver~ I do recallthat Ehrlichman had mentioned to me that he wanted Gray todeal with General Walters rather than Director Helms. Xppar-

ently this svas the cause of the confusion on Gra,~-'s behalf.

On the morning of June 28 I arranged again to meet with General

Walters. I lvas first embarrassed about requesting the meeting becausehe had been most explicit and convincing to me at the first meetin(r. Itold him that I requested the meeting at Ehrlichman's behest to furtherdiscuss the problems of the Dahlberg and Mexican checks. I told himwhat I knew about the matters and that, to the best of mv knowledge,they lvere not related to the Watergate incident. I then asked him if hehad any suggestions. He expressed sympathy over the situation, butsaid there vvas nothing his agency could do. He again explained rea-sons similar to his earlier comments regarding C 1.\ involvement and Iexpressed my understanding. I then asked him if he had any ideas atall and he said that it might be possible to explain the matter as ananti-Castro activity. We had some general discussion of this. butnothing concrete emerged from the discussion. Before Exaltersdeparted I assured him that I agreed that it would be most unwise toinvolve the CIA, and I thanked him—almost apologetically—forcoming by again. At no time did I push him as I had been instructed.

At the conclusion of this meeting I was totally convinced, as I had

~-oTe.—Indented matter represents portions of Air. Dennis prepared statement lvhtchvsero omitted or summarized in his presentation

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been earlier, that the CIA could not and s-ould not be brought in to solve the problems confronting theAVIsite House and reelection committee as a result of the Watergate incident.

I subsequently informed Ehrlichman and Haldeman that unless the President directly ordered the CI S to

provide StllJpOl't for those invol~-ecl that the. CIAO svas not gOilly to get in~-ol~-ed. I told them I agreed

with Walters that this would be a terrible mistake and they both told me they agreed.

TRAN-SXlllZ:SG USE 3~ RL&LS IN 312. E55-T S Saw TO THE FBI

I would now like to explain the transmitting of the materials in Hunt>S safe to the FBI. As I noted earlier,

shortlv after the FBI interviesv on June 22 of Colson. and my later instructions from Ehrlicllman to Deep

Siix" the briefcase and shred documents, I had informed the FBI that I would forward the material found ill

Hunt's office. After sveighing the implications of Ehrlichman's instructions to destrov the items I decided that I

would not engage in any such actilithr mvself or be pushed into it. Accordingly, I asked David Young to

return the State Department cable to my office. I had already returned the briefcase from my car trunk to my

office.

I received several calls from the FBI requesting the material, but I had not yet figured out how to tell

Ehrlichman I lvas not goino to destroy the material. I knew I had to develop a Rood argument to rive

Ehrlichman as to vhy the materials should not be destroyed. On June 20 or 26 I Rent to Ehrlichman to

explain that I thought the men who drilled the safe had probably seen the briefcase? that the Secret Service

agent who svas present had probably seen some of the material; that Atr. Iiellrli and Fielding had seen it—and

what would happen when all those people avere later asked by the FBI about the contents of the safe. Then, I

said I felt v.-e must turn over the material to the FBI. With regard to the sensitive documents. I su,g(rested that

they be given directly to Gray. I told Ehrlichman that. if ever asked under oath, I had to be able to testifv that

to the best of mv knowledge, everything found in the safe had been turned over to the FBI.

Tile FBI agents came to my office, I believe on June 26 or 97. I gave them one box, which had been

packed and told them that as soon as the other material Novas packed I would ret it to them. Ellen I got tied

up in a meeting, I phoned Fielding and asked him to pack up the remainder of the materials, which I believe

vas the State Department cables and the briefcase. He did so and turned over the remainder of the materials,

with the exception of the tlvo envelopes which contained t.he politically sensitive materials I described earlier.

I spoke with Ehrliehman on the oSth and informed hinl the material had been sent to the FBI with the

exception of the politically sensitive documents. He told me he svas meeting later that da!, with Grav and I

should bring them over at that time.

I Vent to Ehrlichman's office just before Afr. Gray- arrived. I placed the envelopes on the coffee table in his

office. Ellen (tTraV arrived. Ehrlichman told him that are had some maters l for llill; that had come from Huntes

safe. Ellrlicllman described it as l oliticallv sensitis-e. l)llt slot lelate(l to the Al'nter.~ate. I tool (8Trav that

Fieklillrr and I had Lone throuttll Hunt's documents anal had turned ores all tllC

materials to the absents except the documents in these taco en-elopes.

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38.3 K9RSOS W g TERS TE5z7IMOXY, AUGgST 3~ 1973, 9 SSC3410^12

3410

[The document referred to was marked exhibit No. 130.*]AIr. DASH. After that meeting with Or. Dean on June 96. did you eport back to former Director Helms?

General WALTERS. I did. I told Air. Helms generally vhat had transpired and he approved of my film

stand with Dean and I related in some detail the various matters that I had discussed Pith WIr. Dean and the

fact that I had told AIr. Dean that no Cogency assets svould be compromised by the pursuit of the FBI

investigation in Mexico.

Stir. DASH. I think you mentioned earlier that you did again meet vith Ak. Dean. Alrhen did you nextmeet with 3Ir. Dean?

General +\rALTER8. On the following morning, June 27, I received another telephone call from 3Ir. Dean

summoning me down to his office. I Event donvn to AII'. Dean's office. I believe the time is indicated in the

memorandum, 11:30 a.m.

AIr. DASH. I think 11:45 a.m.

General wALTERS. 11 :4a a.m.. and Stir. Dean said that the investigation svas continuing, that some of

the suspects avere vabbling and might talk and I said, ' NVell, that is just too bad but it has nothing to do

with US because nothino that they can say can implicate the Agency." So he again said, "Have you not

discovered something about Agency involvement in this matter?" And I said, "No, I have not discovered

anything about Agency involvement in this matter." He said, '<Is there not something the Agency can do to

help ?" I said, "I do not see how we can be helpful." Then he said, "lVell, would there be any way in which

you could go bail or pay the salaries of these defendants while they are in jail?" And I said, "No say. To do

so vould implicate the Agency in something in which it is not implicated. I svill have no part in this."

Again I went through the reasoning of the appalling effect it would have.I made plain to him thatifthe A

gency ~veretointervenein this, it would become known in the leaking atmosphere in Washington, that it

would be a total disaster, and I would like to say, if I may at this point, that I have not spent the whole of my

adult life in the Central Intelligence .t,~ency. I joined it for the first time in Adam of 197Q. But r am convinced

that an effective CIA is essential if the United states is to survive as a free and democratic society in the rough

vorld in lvllich eve live, and I svas determined that I would not see it destroyed or implicated as might be

desired in this business. I further told 3Ir. Dean that when we expended funds, covert funds within the United

States, Eve avere required to report this to our congressional oversight committees and this seemed to cool his

enthusiasm considerably We had a few more discussions and again he asked me whether there svas any way

Eve could be helpful and I said, "No, Eve could not be."

WIr. DASH. Did you, by the lvay, at the meeting on Tulle °8—do you have a copy of your memorandumwith you ?

General WALTERS. Yes. I do.This is the meeting of the 98th or the memorandum written on the 2Sth ?

Mr. O.~s~. No. The meeting of the follosvino dav. the meeting VOII have just testified to.

General W.\l,TERS. On the °8th: yes I do.

'See p, SS16.

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38.3 VFfiUNON W g HERS TE5U7IAt7§Y, AUGUST 3. 1973. 9 SSC 3410-12

WIr. DASH. Yes. First let me show you your copy of a memorandum

you prepared on June 29 of your meeting on June 27 and ask if thisAS a correct copy of that meeting.

General WALTERS. Yes, it is.Mr. DASEI. Mr. Chairman, if Eve can have that marked for identifi

cation and received.Senator ERVIN. That will be marked and appropriately numbered

as an exhibit and received in evidence as such.[The docunlellt referred to was marked exhibit No. 131.*]

AIr. DASH. All right, now General Walters, the very next day, itappears that you had another meeting with Mr. Dean.

General \vAL~RS. That is right.Mr. DASH. Did you report to Wormer Director Helms on your 27th

meeting ?

General WALTERS. Mr. Helms was extremely interested in this wholebusiness and I reported to him immediately returning to the Agencyon each occasion.

AIr. DASH. On the 28th when you began to write these memorandums,could you tell the committee what caused you to begin to put this down

in writing?

General WALTERS. Well, as soon as he broached the question of bailand paying the salaries of these defendants, I realized that for thefil'St time there was a clear indication that something improper lvasbeing explored, anti I discussed this with Mr. Helms and we agreed,again I don't know whether he or I suggested it, that Eve write thememorandum, that I wrote the memorandum on these meetings Andkept a record of them and that is how the memorandums came to irecorded. It will be noted I wrote practically five of them on the same

day to catch up with the past.

WIr. DASH. Yes.The meeting on the 28th it appears was a fairly sie;nificant meeting

because it lvas a follonvup again of a third meeting that you had withMr. Dean. Do you have a copy of that memorandum 2

General wALTERS. Of my meeting of the 28th ?Mr. DASH. Yes; which you prepared on June 29,1972.

General MrAI.TERS. Yes, I do have it.Afr. DASH. Would you read that memorandum in full, General

Walters ?

General WALTERS [reading]:

On 28 June at 11:30 John Dean asked me to see him at his office in the

Executive Office Building. I sax him alone.

He said that the Director's meeting—

That is l)irector Helms' meeting—

vith Patrick Gray, FBI Director, v as canceled and that John Ehrlichman had

suggested that Grav deal with me instead.

The problem was how to stop the FBI investigation beyond the five suspects.

I,eads led to tsvo other people—Ken T)ahlberg and a Mexican named Guenn.Dean said that the $89.000 VVaS unrelated to the hugging case and Dahlberg vvasrefusing tee ansever questions Dean then asked hopefully whether I could do

anything or had any suggestions.

I reheated that as Denuty Director, I had no independent authority. I avas

not in the ehnnnel of command and had no authority other than that given meby the Direetor. The idea that I eould aet independently vfas a delusion and had

no basis in fact.

•See p. 3818.

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Dean then asked what might be done and I said that r realized he had a tough problem, but le there were Agency involvement, it could be only at Presidential

directive and the political nsks that nere concomitant appeared to me to be unacceptable. At present there avas a high explosive bomb but intervention such as he had suggested

would transform it into a megaton hydrogen bomb. The present caper was awkward and unpleasant. Directed intervention by the Agency could be electorally

mortal ir it became known and the chances of keeling it secret until the election svere almost nil. I noted that scandals had a short life in Washington and other

never spicier ones soon replaced them. I urged him not to become unduly agitated by this one.

Ice then asked if I had any ideas and I said that this affair already had a strong Cuban flavor and everyone knew the Cubans velure conspiratonal and

anxious to know what the policies of both parties would be toward Castro. They, therefore. had a plausible motive for attempting this amateurish job which any

skilled technician xvould deplore. This might be costly but it would be plausible.

Dean said he agreed that this vvas the best tack to take but it might cost half a million dollars. He also agreed (for the second time) that the nsks of Agency

involvement svere unacceptable. After a moment's thought he said that he felt that Gray's cancellation of his appointment with Director Helms might well be ret

versed in the next few hours.

Dean thanked me and I left

ZIr. D&SE. First, General lValters, where was this meeting to be held on June 28 which was canceled?

General 5v,~ERS. I did not know, Mr. Dash, I did not know what he was talking about. I presume somearrangement outside of me had been made for Director Helms to see AIr. Gray.

Mr. DASH. But in any event, as your memorandum shows, Mr. Ehrlichman had indicated he had preferredGray meet with you on an ongoing basis.

General WALTERS. This is what WIr. Dean said.

AIr. DASH. Could you tell the committee at least what your impression lvaS concerning that part of your

memorandum—There you said this meeting is mostly concerning a Cuban- conspiratorial plot and l)ean's

statement that he agreed that this was the best tack to take but it might cost a half million dollars.

General W ALTERS. Yes, M r. Dash.Dean Vent back at this point in the conversation, as I remember it, to the three hypotheses and he was Sort

of saving 'illtho could have done this, rho could have done this." He did not indicate at anv time that heknew where the origin of this Novas. Quite frankly at this point my principal purpose was to divert him from

pursuing the option of involving the Agency in this. I had read, I -believe, about that time anarticle in the newspaper which put out a hypothesis that the Cubansmight have been at the origin of this in order to try to find out whatthe policies of the Democratic PartJr would be if it lvere elected in1972. This is what I basically said to Dean, that tile Cubans had aplausible motive for doing this.

Zlr. Dean, obviously understood this as a suggestion of mine that heshould try to blame the Cubans. In retrospect. as is so often saitl herefrom this table I should have corrected him. FranlolJ- I xvas sorelieved at seeing him apparently abandollillfr the idea of involving theA<renev or at least retreating on the idea of ins-oll-insr the ttrenev thatI did not correct his impression when he said he ob~~ioltslv tholicrht I was Sll,ltfrestin r that hecoulkl hllv the (7llballs.

Err. D.vsir. Wotlkl that be the inference that Err. Denn's statementtheta it mifrllt cost it half million dollals xvonld actllallv require paJTinft somebody off or takethis position ?

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at this meeting, and what it B as General Walters B as going to go andtall; to AIr. Gray about.

Senator ERVIN'. I think this may be an appropriate time to reckfor lunch.

Mr. XVILSON-. Err. Chairman, may I inquire about the schedule. Fir.

Haldeman is our next witness and I would lilie-to ask would yousuggest that he be here at 2 o'clock He has a statement which wouldtalse no longer than 2 hours to read and I would suggest that he read

it the same day.

Senator ERVI?;. I would suggest that he come in at 3 o'clock. I t,hinLave can finish with lWr. Ehr!ichman at that time. I don't know whether

ave can or not.

[whereupon at 12 :30 p.m., the committee recessed to reconvene at

2 p.m. on the same day.]

AETEnN-ooN SESSION, hIossss, Jlir~~r 3o, 1973

Senator ERVIN. The committee will come to order.

Counsel will resume the interrogation of the avitness.iEr. DASH. Mr. Ehrlichman, following the meeting that you had

on June 23 with WIr. Walters, 3Ir. Helms, and ZIr. Haldeman, didyou instruct WIr. Dean to contact for. Walters and follow up on the

June 23 meeting?Mr. ERRLICH)[xN. No, sir. I simply notified 3Ir. Dean that there.

had been a meeting, that General Mralters xvas going to be tallyingwith WIr. Gray, and that sve had indicated to General Mralters that

hIr. Dean would be his contact from that point forward.

Air. DASH. Did there come a time when General Walters did call

you and tell you that he xvas going to have a meeting or that Dean hadcontacted him and novas it all right for him to speak to AIr. Dean?

Mr. EHRLICH;NIAN. It either happened that way or I told him atthe time of the meeting on the 2,3d that Dean would be his contact,one or the other, but I am quite sure that I indicated to GeneralWalters that Dean avas the White House man who svas looking after

this whole subject.

' Mr. DASH. Severe you aware that WIr. Dean did in fact meet withGeneral Walters on June 26 ?Mr. E}IRLICH)rAN. No, I avas not aware of those meetings.

Ok. DASH. There were a series of meetings?hIr. EHRLICMBtADf. Yes, I understand there were, and I Novas notaware of that series of meetines until just recently.WIr. DISH. And Air. Dean aid not report to you on them?

L Mr. EHRLICH3L\X. No, he did not.

WIr. DASH. Nonv, on June 28,197 you met with AIr. Dean and BIr.Gray, and vve have had some testimony on that. and on that same dayyou had two earlier meetings with AIr. Dean. Do you recall what thetwo earlier meetings svere about before the meeting with AIr. Dean «dblr. Gray ?Ml. E}IRLICII3CAN-. Not speeifically. I surmised that one of them wassimplv an informational meeting hwoxvin{~ that I Bras about to leavetown for an extended period of time. Is I l eenll, there svas a conversa-tion and xvllether it xvas l)y nzeetiny or svhetller it svas bv telephone.I cannot recall, I)ttt 011 the sable Slav that eve met Keith Pat Gray I STt

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EXI'IBI'I' No. I:si}

MEMORANDUM FOR RECORD J

28 June 1972

On 26 June at about 10:00 a.m. I received a phone call from Mr. John Dean at the White House. He said he wished to see me about the

matter~that John Ehrlichman and Bob Haldeman had discussed with me on the 23rd of June. I could check this out with them if I wished. I agreed to

call on him in his office in Room 106 at the Executive Office Building at 1145 that morning. Immediately after hanging up, I called Ehrlichman to find

out if this was alright and after some difficulty I reached him and he said I could tall freely to Dean.

At }145 I called at Dean's office and saw him alone. He said that the investigation of the Watergate "bugging" case was extremely awkward, there were

lots of leads to important people and that the FBI which was investigating the matter was working on three theories:

1. It was organized by the Republican National Committee.

2. It was organized by the CIA.

3. It was organized by sorne other party.

I said that I had discussed this with Director Helms and I was quite sure that the Agency was not in any way involved and I knew that the Director

wished to distance himself and the Agency from the matter. Dean then asked whether I was sure that the Agency was not involved. C

g I said that I was sure that none of the suspects had been on the Agency payroll for the last two years.

Dean then said that some of the accused were getting scared and "wobbling". I said that even 80 they could not implicate the Agency. Dean then

asked whether there was not some way that the Agency cone Ace Pi Err firem vIney nad been unable lo raLse oali)* lie added that it was not just bail, that if

these men went to prison, could we (CIA) find some way to pay their salaries while they were in jail out of covert action funds.

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38.5 VERNON WALTERS AbGMO S CDUM, JUDE 28)#1972~ SSC EXHIBIT W0. 1309 SSC 3816-17.

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1 said that I NUIS-, be quite clear. I was the Deputy Director

and as such had only authority specifically delegated to me by the

Director and was not in the chain of command but that the great

strength of the Agency and its value to the President of the nation

lay in the fact that it seas apolitical anel had never gotten itself

involved in political disputes. Despite the fact that 1 had only

been with the Agency a short time, I knew that the Director felt

strongly about this.

I then said that big as the troubles might be with the Watergate

Affair, if the Agency were to provide bail and pay salaries, this

would become known sooner or later in the current "leaking"

atmosphere of Washington and at that point the scandal would be

ten times greater as such action could only be done upon direction

at the "highest level" and that those who were not touched by the

matter now would certainly be so.

Dean seemed at first taken aback and then very much

impressed by this argument and said that it was certainly a very

great risk that would have to be weighed. I repeated that the

present affair would be small potatoes compared to what would

happen if we did what he wanted and it leaked. He nodded gravely.

I said that, in addition. the Agency would be completely

discredited w'th the public and the ~Zongress and would lose all

value to the President and the Administration. Again he nodded

gravely .

He then asked if I co-nid think of any way we (CIA) could help.

I said I could not think of any but I would discuss the matter with

the Director and would be in touch with him. However, I felt that

I was fully cognizant of the Director's feelings in this matter.

He thanked me and I left.

,* Vernon A. Psalters

Lieutenant General. USA

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At 1145 on 27 June 197Z, I saw John Dean at his office in the Executive Office Building.

I told him that I had spoken to Director Helms and found that what I had said to Dean the previous day did indeed reflect Helms' views

accurately. That he felt any involvement of the Agency would be most counter productive and furtherrnore, we had a legislative constraint about

the expenditure of our funds within the United States. We had to clear them with the Chairmen of the CIA Oversight Committees in both House

and Senate. This visibly lessened his enthusiasm.

I then repeated my arguments that this caper while presently seeming very large would be overtaken by other spicier developments.

Unfortunate though its consequences might be currently, Agency involvement by direction at the highest level would undoubtedly become

known sooner or later and would then reach to people who were still uninvolved. He nodded. I said that my mind boggled that such risks as

those involved in this caper could have been taken for such an unremunerative target. Involving the Agency would transform what was now a

medium-sized conventional explosive into a multi-megaton explosion and simply was not worth the risk to all concerned.

Dean thanked me looking glum and said he agreed with my Judgment on art of these makers

Vernon A. Walters


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MEMORANDUM FOR RECORS

29 June 197Z

On 28 June at.ll30 John Dean asked me to see him at his office in the Executive Office Building. 1 saw him alone.

He said that the Director's meeting with Patrick Gray, FBI Director, was cancelled and that John Ehrlichman had suggested that

Gray deal with me instead.

The problem was how to stop the FBI investigation beyond the five suspects. Leads led to two other people -- Ken Dahlberg and a Mexican

named Guena. Dean said that the $89, 000 was unrelated to the bugging case and Dahlberg was refusing to answer questions. Dean then asked

hopefully whether I could do anything or had any suggestions.

I repeated that as Deputy Director, I had no independent authority. I was not in the channel of command and had

no authority other than that given me by the Director. The idea that I could act independently was a delusion and had no basis in fact.

Dean then asked what might be done and I said that I realized he had a tough problem, but if there were Agency involvement, it could be

only at Presidential directive and the political risks that were concomitant appeared to me to be unacceptable. At present there was a high explosive bomb

but intervention such as he had suggested would transform it into a megaton hydrogen bomb. The present caper wag awkward and unpleasant.

Directed intervention by the Agency could be electorally mortal if it became known and the chances of keeping it secret until the election were almost nil.

I noted that scandals had a short life in Washington and other newer spicier ones soon replaced them. I urged him not to become

unduly agitated by this one.

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He then asked if I had any ideas and I said that this

affair already had a strong Cuban flavor and everyone knew

the Cubans were conspiratorial and anxious to know what

the policies of both parties would be towards Castro. They,

therefore, had.a plausible motive for attempting this

amateurish job which any skilled technician would deplore.

This might be costly but it would be plausible.

Dean said he agreed that this was the best tack to take

but it might cost half a million dollars. He also agreed (for

the second time) that the risks of agency involvement were

unacceptable. After a momenta thought he said that he felt

that Gray's cancellation of his appointment with Director

Helms might well be reversed in the next few hours.

Dean thanked me and I left.

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Vernon A. Walters


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39. On the morning of June 27, 1972 Gray met with Mark Felt and Charles Bates of the FBI to

receive a briefing on the latest Watergate break-in developments. During that briefing Dean telephoned Gray. Gray has testified

that in the ensuing conversation he told Dean that if Dahlberg continued to evade the FBI, Dahlberg would be called before a

grand jury. Gray also has testified that he asserted to Dean the importance of an aggressive FBI investigation to determine the

motive and identity of all persons involved.

On June 27, 1972 CIA Director Helms received a memorandum from the Chief of the Western Hemisphere Division

of the CIA stating that there were no CIA traces on Manuel Ogarrio and that the CIA's last contact with a person named Kenneth

Dahlberg occurred in 1961 and concerned the manufacturing of a hearing aid for a high level Peruvian. Later that day, Helms told

Gray that the CIA had no interest in Ogarrio. Helms confirmed with Gray their plan to meet the following day.

Page_ _ _ _ _ I _ _ _ _ _ _ _

Director HeLms, June 27, 1972 Received from CIA) 444

.39.1 Memorandum from CIA Western Hemisphere Chief to

.39.2 L. Patrick Gray log, June 27, 1972, 1-2 (received

.from SSC) 445

.39.3 L . Patrick Gray testimony, 9 SSC 3454..................................... 447

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39 .1 CIA hQGSTERN HEMISPHERE CHIEF ERRSDUM, JXE 27, 1 9 7 2

ME:hIOSsANDUAl FOR: Director of Ccntral Intclli~gencc

SUBJ-]@,CT:

Avlr. M-anucl Ogarrio DaOucrre and

Mr. Kenncl:ll Harry Dalllberg

1. The infortnation contained in paragraph 2 is for your inforn~.ation.

Z. In response to y<3ur 27 June 197Z request for traces, the follo~.vin¢, is s ubmitte d:

a. Manuel Ocrarrio Daguerre has an office on 156 Paseo de la Reforma in Mexico city. This office is located in the

same building as the Banco Internacional of Mexico city. His home address is Cerro de;Maika 3LO, Mexico city. There are no

CIA traces on Manuel Ogarrio Daguerre. This man is listed in the Mexico city telephone directory.

b Kenneth Harry Dahlberg. The Office of Sccurity gave.

DC;S an approval on 13 July 1965 to contact Kenneth Harry Dahlberg. Security File No. EE 30944 indicates Dahlberg nvas born on

30 June i917 in st. Paul, Minnesota.. .Discussions nvith DCS reveal Kenneth Harry Dahlberg is president of Dahlberg Companys

7731 Country Club Drive, Minneapolis, xvhich manufactures hearing aids. CIA's last recorded contact •vith Dahlberg was in May

1961 when he worloed on a hearing aid for a high level Peruvian. The cards indicate there nvas in£erest in recontacting Dahlberg in

April 1965, but there is no record if he was contacted. The Dahlberg file is in Archives and xvill be available to us on 28 June 1972.

The FBI svanted traces on Kenneth Dahlberg. Thus it is not cle2r

if Kennetil Dahlberg, xvho is of interest to the FBI is identical

with.Kcnneth Harry Dahlberg who was in touch with CIA.

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[Comment: Kenneth Harry Dahlberg originally contacted CIA lU>as~,b]

i:R 1958 on radio matters, not further specified. There is an

outside chance that radio mattcrs could bc tied to audio operations.]

Additional conversations xvith the FBI on the working level svill

bc needed to sort out the various intercsts in the name Kenneth

Oahlberg .

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SECRET/SENSITIVE

EYES ONLY

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mentioned in connection Bith the CITE situation. It is my best. recol-lection, hoxvevel, that they xvere and I undoul~tedlv told him tliat ve•vould continue our peripheral inz-estigatioll l)ecause of the apparently

inconsistent reports I had received from Helms and Halters. Herequested that Eve not conduct any interviews that vould expose CI.-tsources in connection with our snvesti~ysation into the source of the

$11A,000 in checks that were deposited in AIr. Barkers bank account.Cain I told Sir. Dean that Eve would hold off tempos arilv with inter-view-s of Ogarrio and work around this problem to determine what Eve

vere encountering.

C)w Tuesday morning June 27* 1942, I met with AIr. Bates and

Afr. Alarls Felt, Actine associate Director, to receive a briefint, on thelatest developments. W0Thile they were in the office AIr. Dean called.The call involved establishing tile chain of custody for the contents ofHoward Hunt's safe and his providing us XVit}l pliotograpils of certainElite House staiT members to aid us in identifying an individual whohad been with AIr. Hunt at the AIiami Playboy Club in December of19.1, In this conversation I also told AIr. Dean that if AII'. Dahlbergcontinued to evade us he would be called before the ttrvrand jury.^&ltholleh I cannot pinpoint the exact telephone conversation. I believethat by this date AIr. Dean had requested that Ak. Dalllberb not be

internee ved because of alleged C'I -t interest in him.

In this same conversation, I also tokl WIr. Dean that it vas extremelv

important that the FBI continue its aggressiveness until •ve determinethe rrlotive, reasons, and identity of all pelsons involved. I said that Imi rht be called upon at a later date to testifv before congressionalcommittees and Eve could not have the FBI accused of not~pursuing

this case to the end.

Following the briefing by 3rl. Felt and AIr. Bates and as an out

groxvth of it, I telephoned Director Helms of the CI-t and asked himto tell me specificallv if the CI X had anV interest in Air. OXrarrio thatsvould prevent us flom interviewing hirrt and also asllied that he andgeneral W07altels meet the follonin,,'~dav at -) :.30 p.m. in mV office withrrle, AIr. Felt, and Atr. Bates to review our respective positions in thisinvestigation. Director Helms told me that he would has-e to check todetermine whether the CI -t had any interest in AIr. Ogarrio and wouldcall Ille later. I advised AIr. Felt of this meeting and also aslsecl that henotify AII~. Bates. Directol Helms called me back later that afternoon,told me the CIA had no interest in tIr. Ognarrio, and confirmed our

meeting for the next dav.

Just, 7 minutes after Director Helms' call to me. Zrr. Dean called me

at 3:47 p.m., and although I camlot be absolutely certain, I believe thisavas a call attain requesting me to hold oS intelaiesviIIg Arr. Ogarrioand WIr. Dahlber,, because of CITE interest ir.t these men. I cannotrecall if I told him that I had just talked to Dilector Helens whoinformed me that CI t had no interest in Atr. Ogarrio and that I wasgoing to order that All. Ogalrio be interviewed. I seem to rememberthat ;AIr. Dean said to me that these men has-e alesolutelv nothing to do-ith AN'atergate, but I cannot relllemi)er lvhetllel he said this to Ille in

. this conw-elEation or in earlier cons ersatiolls.

On Alteclnesdas, June 98, 19/_. at 1t):9.) a.m., Atr. Dean telephoned

me and talked about rumors of leaks from the FI),1. the material fromHullt's safe pres-iotlslv delivered to the FBJ. mmolE of a slowdown in

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40. On June 28, 1972 at 10:25 a.m. Dean telephoned L. Patrick Gray

about rumors of leaks from the FBI, the material from Hunt's safe, a

slowdown in the investigation, and the tracing of the Mexican money.

According to Gray, he may have told Dean during this conversation of

the meeting he had scheduled with Helms for 2:30 p.m. that day. At

10:45 a.m. Dean met with John Ehrlichman. At 10:55 a.m. Ehrlichman

telephoned Gray. Gray has testified that when he returned the call

at 11:17 a.m., Ehrlichman said, "Cancel your meeting with Helms and

Walters today; it is not necessary." At 11:23 a.m. Gray called Helms

to cancel their meeting. Helms asked Gray to call off interviews which

the EBI had scheduled with two CIA employees. (In July 1971, pursuant

to a request from Ehrlichman to Deputy CIA Director Robert Cushman,

the two CIA employees had provided Howard Hunt with disguises, hidden

cameras, and other material for use in domestic clandestine operations.

In requesting CIA assistance for Hunt, Ehrlichman had told Cushman

that Hunt "has been asked by the President to do some special consulting

work on security problems . ")

40.1 L. Patrick Gray log, June 28, 1972, 1-2 (received

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40.2 L. Patrick Gray.......................testimony, 9 SSC 3454-55 453


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40.4 John Ehrlichman....................testimony, 6 SSC 2562-63 456

40.5 Richard Helms testimony, 8 SSC 3241 458

40.6 Memorandum from Richard Helms to Vernon Walters,

June 28, 1972 (received from CIA) 459

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40. 7 CIA employee affidavit, May 18, 1973 (received from

40.8

Partial transcript of telephone call from John.Ehrlichman to General Robert Cushman , July 7, 1971 ,

.and accompanying affidavit of CLK employee,

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mentioned in connection with the CIt situation. It is my best. recol-lection, honked er, that they were and I undoubtedly told him that wewould continue our peripheral investigation because of the apparently

inconsistent reports I had received from Helms-and AValters. Herequested that ve not conduct any interviews that would expose CIAsources in connection with our investigation into the Sourer of the

~,114,000 in checks that were deposited in AIr. Barker's bank account.Agrain I told Xlr. Dean that we would hold off temporarily with inter-l,ienvs of Ogarrio and work around this problem to determine what we

were. encountering.

On Tuesday morning June 27, 1972, I met with Or. Bates and

3tr. AIarls Felt, Noting Associate Director, to receive a briefing on thelatest developments. WN'hile they were in the office WIr. Dean called.The call involved establishing the chain of custody for the contents ofHoward Hunt's safe and his providing us with photographs of certainWhite House staff members to aid us in identifying an individual whohad been with WIr. Hunt at the Miami Playboy Club in December of19,1. In this conversation I also told SIr. Dean that if Or. Dahlber,,continued to evade us he would be called before the grand jury.Although I cannot pinpoint the exact telephone conversation, I believethat by this date Stir. Dean had requested that AIr. Dahlber~~ not be.

internewed because of alleged CI,-t interest in him.

In this same conversation, I also told Mr. Dean that it was estremelv

important that the FBI continue its aro~~ressiveness until we determinethe motive, reasons, and identitv of all persons involved. I said that Imight be called upon at a later date to testify before congressionalcommittees and we could not have the FBI accused of not pursuing

this case to the end.

Following the briefine by Atr. Felt and AIr. Bates.and as an out

growth of it, I telephoned Director Helms of the CI.-t and asked himto tell me specifically if the CI.-t had any interest in Mr. Oaarrio thatwould prevent us from interviewing him and also asked that he andGeneral Walters meet the folloTillsr' day at s2 :30 p.m. in my office withme, Mr. Felt, and Atr. Bates to rezieav our respective positions in thisinvestigation. Director Helms told me that he would have to check todetermine whether the CIA had any interest in Air. O~.~arrio and vouldcall me later. I advised lair. Felt of this meeting and also asked that henotify Mr. Bates. Director Helms called me back later that afternoon,-told me the CI.t had no interest in Mr. Ogarrio, and confirmed our

meeting for the next dav.

Just 7 minutes after Director Helms' call to me, Mr. Dean called me '

at 3 :47 p.m., and although I cannot be absolutely certain, I believe thiswas a call attain re(luestin~- me to hold off interviewing Alr. O"varrioand AIr. Dahlberg because of CI.& interest in theses men. I cannotrecall if I told him that I had just talked to Director Helms whoinformed me that CIA had no interest ill AIr. Osrarrio and that I Mrasgoin r to order that Atr. Ograrrio be interviewed. I seem to renlemberthat Stir. Dean said to me that these men have absoltltelv nothing to dowith lVater~~ate, bUt I cannot remember whether he said this to Isle in

this conversation 01' in earlier conversations

On ANJednesdav, Anne 9S, 197a, at 10 :9a a.m., Mr. Dean telephoned

me and talked about rnmolE of le tks from the FBI, the material fromHnnt's safe previously delivered to the FBT, rumors of a slowdown in

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the FBI, and leaks from the FBI concerning the tracing of the $114,-000. Once again I believe there,nvas some discussion about Ogarrioand Dahlberg and it is my recollection that I was asked if I hadordered the interviews of Ogarrio and Dahlber(r. I replied that I hadeither ordered or was going to order the interview of Ogarrio. In thisdiscussion, I may have told :AIr. Dean that I had arranged to meet withDirector Helms and Deputy Director Walters at 2:30 p.m. that after-noon to try to get this CIA situation resolved, but I cannot be positive

that I did.

art 10:55 a.m. on this same day Mr. Ehrlichman called me. I was

not available, but I returned his call at 11:17 a.m. His first avords,is¢ - led abruptly, were: "Cancel your meeting with Helms and Walterstoday; it is not necessary." I asked him for his reasons and he simplysaid Hat such a meeting is not necessary. I then asked him point blankecho was goincr to make the decisions as to who is to be interviewed. IIe

responded, "You do."

I then telephoned Director Helms to tell him that I was canceling

our meeting. I also advised BIessrs. Felt and Bates of the cancellation,but stated that the three of us would meet. In this same conversationwith me, Director Helms requested that we not interview active CIAmen Karl Wagner and John Caswell. I passed this information to Mr.Felt and instructed that these men not be interviewed. Before orderscould get to the field, however, Mr. Caswell had already been inter-viewed. s

I met with Mr. Felt and Mr. Bates in my office at 2:30 p.m. on this

Wednesday afternoon, June 28, to review the CIA situation. In thismeeting I was brought up to date on all the latest developments inthe case. I can recall specifically discussino with them the nlleoted com-partmentalization at CIA where the right hand is not supposed toknow what the left is doinffl in sensitive operations and asked if thiscould occur. M7e agreed that it lvas possible, but unlikely in the absenceof some special White House interest in the highest classification ofnational security interests where the need to know was rigidly con-

trolled.

Mr. Bates pointed out that under no circumstances should we back

off any investigation at the request of CIA without forcinffl them toreveal completely their interest in this matter. We all agreed that theFBI7s reputation was at stalie and I assured them that I would nothold back the FRI in this investigation at anyone's request, includingthe President of the United states, in the absence of overriding andvalid considerations. I told them that if I revere ordered to do so with-

out valid reasons, I would resign.

It was in this meeting that I believe I gave Fir. Felt and Mr. Bates

instructions to no ahead with the interview of Mr. Ogarrio and to con-

timle our efforts to locate and interview Sir.

At 3:58 p.m., Tune 28. Mr. Dean ealled and I Bras not available.

I returned the call at 4 ,eS,~ p.m. and I believe nolv that, this call in-volved a request bv Err. Dean to hold lip on the interliew of Bliss

ICnthleen (7henonr for alle<~ecl reasons of national securitV until shereturned from her vacation in England. I'm sure I said we would

hold up for the time being hut she would have to he interviesrecl soon.I can recall saving that are avid interview her ill F,nylancl unless shereturns from vacation at an early date. Sir. T)ean cave me her address

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Mitchell to do this. I had in effect set this up without knowing it by telling Waltels that Dean was his WhiteHouse contact from that day forv ard. But I did not know about these conversations.

Mr. TIIO3IPSON-. Dean did not report back to you ?

BIr. EHRLLCH3IAN'. Not about that; no, sir.

Mr. THozxPsonrw Did you have occasion to call Fir. Gray to call off a meeting which he and Waltersscheduled on June 2S, to tell his that the meeting would no longer be necessary, that matters had been vorkedout some way ?

Mr. EHRLICH3I.-\N-. Well, I didn't realize that vI had canceled it. My strong concern about that meetingwas that it lvas going to include some staff members from the FBI anal as I say, eve svere experiencing theseleak problems and right at that particular time, one of the people who would have been included in thatmeeting xvas under very strong suspicion as being the source of that leak. WN'e had had independentinformation which eve nvere talking to Fir. lileindienst about, about that specific individual and it appearedthat this whole thing was going to mclude him. So that vas the reason for my call.

WIr. THO3IPSON-. Did you ask precisely who would be in attendance at the meeting ?

Mr. ElIRLICH3IAN-. Yes. Well, I don't know as I asked him. I think I vas told. As a matter of fact, I'thinkWIr. Dean told me.

Mr. TuooPsoDf. Did you tell Mr. Gray of your suspicions or concerns about the individual ?

Mr. EHRLICH3EAN. Not at that time.

hIr. THO3IPSON-. Why ? -D

Mr. EHRLICHMAN. Because at that time, we were talking with ZIr. Kleindienst about how to go aboutsmoking out this problem around ZIr. Gray, frankly.

Fir. TE[OMPSON. Why ?

Mr. EHRLICHhlAN-. XVhy ?

Mr. Tuo3lPsoxf. Why around BIr. Gray ?

Mr. EHRLICH]LAN. Because Z[r. Gray at that time was not acknowledging the problem.

Mr. TlloxPsos-. You had spoken to him about it?

Mr. EHRLICH;WAN-. Oh, I had spoken to him about the leaks. I hadn't spoken to him about this specificman in this specific greeting until this call. iWr. Eleindienst and I discussed on several occasions how evemight go about determining the source of the leak. He proposed the idea of plantino a story or a set ofcircumstances and seeing if it turned up and this kind of thing. So eve avere dealing with the AttorneyGeneral on that.

i!Ir. TllourPsos-. Did you talk to Walters about this meeting?

BIr. EHRLICHM.\N. I don't believe so. I don't believe I talked to John Walters again—

Zrr. T}lomrsos-. Could not Gray and Walters have had a meeting. the tlvo of them, to solve the problem ?

Mr. EHRLICII3I.\N-. Yes, that lvas the whole idea.

AIr. THOMPSON-. Was that suggested ?

hIr. E}IRLICH3I.\N-. Tllat M as suggested in the inception.

Fir. TlfozxPsoDs. You didn't tell him that the meeting would not be necessary ?

Mr. E11RLICHMAN-. I don't recall what I told him j except t.hat-

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A:tr THoUtPSON-. It would be inconsistent xvith your desire to solvethe matter, I assume. as to whether or not there svas CIA involvement.

3Ir. ETIRLICH3X.\N-. ANtell, whatever I told him xvas for the purpose ofnot having staff meetings on this particular subject. I can t tell youprecisely what I tolcthim.

Alr. THoZ[PSON'. Going back to July of 1971, eJul,v 7,1971. did youcall Deputy Director Cushman and ask him to give 3Lr. Hunt as-sistance in his activities at that time ?

3rr. EHRLICHArAN<. A-0, I have been asked many times abut thttelephone call and I simply have no recollection of having madethat call.

AIr. THOMPSON-. Did vou know what Err. Hunt was doing duringthat period of time ? Were you informed ?

AIr. EIiRLIClI3tAN-. I knew from my one meeting with Air. Colsonand zrr. Hunt jointly what he divas supposed to be doing, ves.

3Ir. THoZ[PSON-. AVhat leas he doing ?Err. EIlRLICHBr.XN. He ^N-as supposed to be engaged in an analysis

of the Pentagon Papers and in determining their accuracy, vx-hether ornot they lvere in fact complete accounts of the events which tookplace or whether they svere edited, tailored accounts which did notinclude the complete facts.

Mr. THoBrPSON. In June, when you avere talking to Helms and

Walters about the possible CIA problem or uncovering some collateralCIA activity, this all evolved around the so-called Mexican moneyproblem, I assume, is that correct ?

Mr. EHRLICH3tAN. lVell, it divas much broader than that. It svas any

unassociated CIA activity.

Mr. THOMPSON. TVell, xvllat brought it to anvone's Attention? Ithought it was the so-called Barker moneys that had come from

Mexico.

Err. EHRLICH3t,&X. You mean that precipitated the meeting ?Mr. THoarrsos. Yes.

Fir. EHRLICllZ[AN. A-0, it lvas a much broader concern than thattand it included, as I said, the question of direct involvement, itincluded whatever exposure there might be for any CIX activity.I think the Mexican monev or the Florida bank account or whatever,which inrolvecd one of these people: who had been a former CIAO agentor client or whatever they call theme novas raised as an example in themeeting by one of us as the kind of thin At that the President evidentls-nvas concerned about. And it xvas •liscussed as a specific example. But

the meeting divas by no means limited to that.

3Ir. Tlloulesos-. Can you recall anx other specific examples thatxvere discussed ?

Arr. ~,IIRLICHAI.\N-. Bav of Pims.

AIr. THoarrsos-. Hove Aid that come in ?

Air. EIIRLICIINtAN-. Alrell, because apparently the President hadspecifically mentioned the Bay of Pi,gs to Bob Halcletnan in sn T>Testinfrthe meeting and then he nlelltiolle/l it to me attain in July as the holdof tllin,gthat apparently CI.t Illi'tht W eml)alrassecl about. that someof the people RV]10 rvere in\-ol\-ecl ill AN'atel(rate, ap1)arelltlv. Iwad beeninvolved in the Bav of Piers anal ttceolXdill,(<lv, avhetllel there novas anv

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Mr. HELMS. It is my recollection that it was at the meeting of the

•2,th, which was Tuesday, I believe, that the issue first came up of

whether or not the CIA, out of its covert funds, was prepared to pro-vide bail money for the defendants in the Watergate burglary. Notldy did this issue come up, but I also believe that the additional pointwas made would it be possible for the CIA to pay the salaries of theseindividuals while they served their jail sentences. General AValters, and

have told you about the conversation I had with general Walters the

day before about how he was to guide himself in this matter, pointedout to Mr. Dean that the Agency could not possibly do anything likethat. That he had no authority to do it on his own, that his authontyis derived from me and that he knew what my position was, and inaddition, he said he co,uld not conceivably imagine that a thing likethat would remain secret forever, and last but not least, under theground rules which we operate with the Congress, or which the Agencyoperates, with the Congress of the United states, any exceptional ex-penxiitu.re of this kind would has e to be identified with the chainnanof the Senate Appropriations Committee and the chairman of theHouse Appropriations Committee. This obviously cooled Mr. Desn's

ardor.

Mr. DORSEN. And it was so reported to you ?

AIr.. HELMS. Yes.

Mr. DORSEN. During the week of the 26th did you receive a telephone

call from Patrick Gray with respect. to setting up a meeting between

representatives of the two agencies ?

Mr. HEWS. Yes, I do recall a conversation to set up a meeting be

cause I was anxious to have one with him. There were a lot of tracesWE were running, the involvement of these former CIA people that wehad been passing to the FBI, there was starting to be a lot of leaks outof the FBI for the first time that I could remember on matters of thiskind but leaks of ongoing operational material, and I wanted to gettogether with him and some of his people to see if we could not getsome of these things not straightened out so much as get to walking

along in harmony.

So we agreed to have the meeting the next day. The next morning,

which I believe was the 28th, I may be mistaken, it is all in the record,I am sure, he called back and said that he was so busy that he could notmake the meeting, it was not possible for him to hold it and he would

robably have to put it off until the following week. I told him I was

sorry about that because I was planning to leave the end of the week inwhich we are speaking to go to Australia and that I was not going tobe there the following week, if he had a meeting, it was going to have

to be with General Walters.

Mr. DORSEN. Now, may I ask you about the second two meetings on

the 27th and 28th between General Walters and Mr. Deane Did thesummarv that vou gave us apply to the two meetings together or was

that solely with respect to the meeting of the 27th 2

Mr. HELMS. I am not able any longer, Mr. Counsel, to sort out

precisely ~vhat, out of my oxvn memory what occurred at each of thesemeetings. I have two very clear recollections. one was that it was atthe second meeting that the question of the bail money came up becauseI don't recall that at all in connection with my longer conversationwith General Walters after the first meeting. As far as the third meet-

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Xe in~caved t'naW 'ne lvoAd noW b2 ~le to geW WogeQner ~Wi7 '.>R~ 'S;2°'<. 1 info~.ed him thaa; I o-ould be a;ay buW vh2w vou

qivould be arrailable wibh - and . . . -- | or arvr such ,..ee~-~r,¢, 3: dia. ',oai2~,er, usz the opDo~nit of ^'nis call ro ,.a'.ce two noina;s w AcrswOy

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2. :1: into~.!.ed - - awd Whis ;r.~i ;,S,, in p;2p;S-ffiZOi~. 10, =wh8 sche~;t ed rRetinv filiS a;; >errLoon t:lZw the A~^srsc ,r _s2~4—

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wzLnted t'.e.n alorLg as ",ewerenze tiles" to ,-~artici~b i.. th.e conve^"sa-^~ion w'.aen requesbed. I aoli ~E~f:s t,'Lw - -f—~nted no :'ne_;hee~:Lr.a, e;--.osi~*on oi nnoKleses o. amr e.£c-> =;Li2 W0 co:av,ec~~~ a'oou:~ res>z>.-si sil i 9 r cor 1 i ',Xl y dbj ec wivea o.> te lelaWeUai;a in~rxio;w . §' I;; shoX—@~n-> s;c'^, a m.ee~;~r.g, iz is un bo 22 .~3. bo kJ. san.e c~ cn UGhC Sab>.Ot,her.r'sev -ive are =nai'e to 'e cf helz. sr. ci 6 ~~ *_ x:e :;m -X1 a~~ reuO ~.;.c reg,ueSt ~'r~t ~..e,>- cort~-.e u'se.-.~e'lms -~o ~:ne r2:so.<;tics aL=:ruta;r.-ested o. d~8cul,~~r w;ne.er su:i;xLcio;: =-Ci ~st whey Ezsis~ worl e;;-T;;a~>=, ;>Es inSrestOatio;x ~—.-o othc; ~eas ~;.acn. ;~~r sx ^, eve.—.^;;al}3~,

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3VI, 13 being first duly sworn, state:

1. I was born on 8 March 1924 in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. After

Ij serving as an Army officer in World War II and completing my college

education, I joined the Central intelligence Agency in October 1950. I have

|1, held the position of Executive Assistant to the Deputy Director of Central

11 Intelligence since November 1969.

| 2. On 22 July 1971 Mr. E. Howard Hunt, a former Agency employee,

I who had joined the white House staff, called on the Deputy Director of I

I Central Intelligence, General Cushman. I was present in the room because

I! General Cushmar~ usually asked me to sit in on his meetings. When Mr.

ti Hunt arrived he said that he wanted to talk to General Cushman privately

i and I withdrew. 101076

3. Later that day General Cushman told me that Mr. Hunt had asked

1I for some help (of an unspecified nature),that he (General Cushman) had

211 checked it out and that it was all right, and that he had told Mr. Hunt to get

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li in touch with me to obtain the assistance. Mr. Hunt called me later in the

day and requested aid in obtaining a physical disguise and "pocket litter"

i' documentation in alias to assist him in connection with an extremely sensi-

', tive project, which he could not further discuss, and which had been approved

hi by Mr. Ehrlichman. Under these circumstances my presumption was that

l; li the request'must be legitimate and proper.

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I 11 4. 1 to}; cont;Lcted Mr. 11 Acting Chief of Tccllnicls

|t Scrxict:s Division, and in5Lrtscted him to Inalec arraugemcnCs for furnishings

{! a physical disguise Band alias docurnentation to an individual (Mr. Hunt), \t,hC

h V J o had insisted that his identity not be ,knonvn to the TSD officers. I explained

! to Air. 11 that the undertaking evas for an extremely sensitive project

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'j which had been requested by the White rlouse, of Which I was rot at liberty

I. to describe further and the nature of 4 which I was unaxtz2re. I also indicated

| that because of the sensitivity factor all the requested support should be

jl handled by TSD.

5. lVhen Mr. 11 explained that it xvould be necessary for a

| TSD officer to meet the subject before creating a disguise, and because

Mr. Hunt was unwilling to come to the Headquarters building again, I

arranged for the: TSD officer to meet Mr. Hunt, who was under an assumed

. name, in an Agency safehouse. I obtained a key to the safehouse from the

11 Office of Logistics on 23 July and passed it to a TSD representations Mr.

10 I believe. TSD was able to provide Mr. Hunt (who

| dealt with them under the alias of "Mr. Edx-rard") With a disguise and alias

| documentation later that day t23 July 1971). 101077

! 6. Following my contacts with TSD officers I notified the Executive

Assistant to the DDP, Mr. /1~ that on the instruction of

! General Cushman I had enlisted the assistance of TSD (Which was subordi-

| nate to the Directorate for Plans) in a project for the lVhite House which

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! was said to be extremely sensitive and whose nature was unknown to me.

7. My next contact with Mr. Hunt was a telephone call from him on

! 18 August 1971 to a request that the Agency furnish a specific secretary (x/ho

| was named) for a temporary assignment of between 30 and 90 days. Mr.

, Hunt said that he needed the secretary to work on a hisllly sensitive assign-

mcat and that AGr. John Ehrlichman had suggested that he call General

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Cushnlan. Mr. Ilunt said that he did not oval t the young lady's Division Chief to linoxv that he or the \'thitc House xvas involved in tdle request. Mr. Hunt suggested that the Director's office

should irr.unediatcly recall the young lady from her assignment overseas and complain to all concerned that she was urgently needed for an unspecified special assignment, Mr. Hunt again

stressed that AVIIite House involvement should not be mentioned, After discussing the case with General Cushtnan and the Office of Personae: I informed Mr. Hunt that the Agency would be

unxvilling to withdraw the secretary from her overseas assignrnent. I suggested that if Mr. Hunt would furnish us with a statement of his requirements we might be able to provide a qualified

secretary from Headquarters. Mr. Hunt replied that the individual he had requested was the only secretary he would accept because of the "loyalty factor. 1' Mr. Hunt said that he would discuss

our attitude with Mr. Ehrlichrnan and I heard no more of this particular matter.

8. Mr. 11 records show tbat we were again in contact by telephone on ZO August 1971 regarding a new request from Mr. Hunt for a tape recorder and business cards in alias.

Since there was nothing improper in this request and it xvas consistent with my understanding of the

is assistance xve were authorized to give Mr. Hunt, I instructed Mr. //

it to proceed with this assistance.

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9, My records shoxv that Mr. 11 called me on 26 August 1971

i to express concern about additional assistance that had been requested by

Mr. Hunt. I learned that Mr. Hunt had introduced an unidentified associate

|| who had been given a disguise and identification documents in alias. IvIr.

|I Hunt had also on about 25 August requested and received training in clan-

|l destine photography and xvas given a carrlera concealed in a tobacco pouch

|l in connection xvidl a ncxv assignments Mr. HI expressed concern that

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j noted that the concealed camera was a particularly sensitive item. I

l agreed with Mr. 11 ~ concern and remarked to Mr. 11 that

| it raised the question of the use of Agency materials in domestic clandes-

| tine activity. I told Mr. i I that I would report his call promptly and

obtain guidance, and that additional gear should not be given to Mr. Hunt

and his requests referred to the Deputy Director's office. (It should also

be noted that General Cushman's office was informed only after the carnera

| had been given to Mr. Hunt and his associate outfitted with a disguise. )

10. I summarized my conversation With Mr. /1 in a memo-

| randurn for General Cushman and gave it to him the next morning (27 August)>

My covering buckslip stated that Mr. Hunt's latest request raised two

significant problems for the Agency. Mr. Hunt had introduced a stranger

into the picture without any word of explanation to General Cushman from

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White House. I noted that this unknown person was now aware of Agency

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support to Hunt in whatever he was doing. I also noted that Mr. Hunt's ,

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possession and use of unique clandestine equipment (the disguised camera) ;

in domestic activity of uncertain nature alJoQ~~a7aed potential for trouble.

IMy buckslip read: "The Agency could suffer if its clandestine gear xvere

discovered (being) used in domestic secret operations. " My buckslip con-

tinued that I would instruct TSD to clear all of Hunt's requests with the

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Deputy Director's office and recommended that General Cushman seek

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Mr. Ehrlicllman's assurance that Mr. Hunt's latest caper" was legitimate

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was proper but fear; d that Mr. Hunt had exceeded his authority ) My buck i

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slip concluded that HEven then (if ?{r, E~lrlichman validated Mr. Hunt's

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11. 1 had givca nly memorandum to General Cushman on the morn

ing of Z7 August 1971 when Afr. ' called she again to report additiona'-

troublesome requests from Mr. Hunt on the previous day. Mr.

said that he xvas increasingly concdrned at the nature of assistance

requested by Mr. Hunt. The latter xvas now pressing for fully backstopped

documentation and support, including a driver's license and car rental

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request. Mr. Hunt also asked that the Agency arrange to backstop a New

I York telephone number either through an answering service there or by a

| hookup which xvould permit the New York number to be answered in Wash-

ington. Mr. i I said that this action xvas beyond his Divisionls

capability. I told Mr. 11 that Mr. Hunt's latest requests drew the

| Agency even further into the sensitive area of domestic clandestine opera-,

I tions against Americans and that all such requests should be referred to

General Cushnlan's office. I added that, meanwhile, Mr. Huntts requests

I should not be met, I reported Mr. t I call promptly to General

j Cushman and recolnnlended that the Agency JIebrXiga8te its support to Mr-

t Hunt because he xvas draxving us into a compromising and dangerous

situation in which xve revere not authorized to be engaged, i. e., facilitating

domestic clandestine operations against Americans.

1Z. General Cushman's notes on my buckslips indicate that 11C

I promptly spoke to Mr. Ehrlichman by telephone at 1100 hours on Z7 August

t 1971, and explained why CIA could not meet Mr. Hunt's requests, General

| Cushlnan noted on the buckslip that Mr. Ehrlichman indicated he evotlld call

a halt to Mr. Hunt's acti~~itics.

13. I informed L'tr. 11 on Z7 August that General Cuslunan

: had notified Mr. Ehrliclllnan that CIA could not give additional IIC1D to

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Mr. Hunt, that rsD should not accept any more requests from Mr. Blunt,

and that Mr. Hunt should be instructed to return the sensitive materials

from TSD. TSD records show that when Mr. Hunt next contacted TSD

Ipersonnel on 31 August 1971 he xvas again informed that the Agency could

not provide further assistance.

!. 14, The Z7th of August was a Friday. On Monday, 30 August,I

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I'wrote a memorandum reporting on my 27 August conversation with Mr.

i\ I and my instruction not to meet Mr. Hunt's new request. General

ICushman sent the memorandum to Director Helms and wrote on the cover

ing buckslip that he told Mr. Ehrlichman on 27 August that the Agency

could not accept Mr. Hunt's requests for clandestine equipment or opera-

tional support. Director Helms initialed the buckslip With the comment

"Good. "

15. With the closing off of Agency contacts with Mr. Hunt I dis

Icarded my handwritten notes covering my talks with Mr. Hunt and Mr.

11 . I filed my memoranda to General Cushrnan, however. In June

197Z, when Mr. Howard Hunt's name turned up in connection with the

Watergate affair, I retrieved these memoranda and went to see Director

Hellns to remind him of the contacts with Mr. Hi appear earlier. I left

these memoranda with Mr. Helms.

9 16. Shortly thereafter the CIA Director of Security, Mr. +

, informed me that a representative of the FBI wanted to talk to me

because Lay name had been found in a telephone list in Mr. Hoxvard Hunt's

office. I informed Director Helms of this fact and he said that he would

take up the matter with the Dcpartznent of Justice. He said that if an

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FOCI oIIiccr contacted lZlC directly I shotlld say that since my contacts wit

Mr. Hanl had beck in Do official capocily, all inquiries shodd be rcIorrc

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40, 8 PARTIAl TRANSCRIPT OF EHRLICH~N/CUSHMU CONVERSATION, July 7, 1971

Telephone (Call to General Cushrnan from Jo'nn Shrlicn~~an - 7 July 1971

lair .

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Ehrlichtnln: I avant to alert you tnat an old acquaintances Howard Hunt, has been asked by the President to do some special

consultant vzor'on security problems. He may be contacting you sometime in the future for some assistance. I x~>an.ed you to

know that he was in fact doing soxne things for the President. He is a long-tiine acquaintance with the people here. He may want

some help on co~~pu'er runs and other things. You should consider he has pretty much caste blanch

NOTE; After the above conversation, General CushLnan called Mr. AL to alert him.

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4 0. 8 CIA EMPLOYEE AFFIDAVIT, FEBRUARY 5, 1 3 7 4

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I, 13 , being first duly sworn, state:

1. I was born on 8 March l9Z4 in Milwaukee, wisco3sin. After

serving as an Army officer in World War II and completing my college

• education, I joined the Central Intelligence Agency in October 1950.

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I have held the position of Executive Assistant to the Deputy Director

of Central Intelligence since November 1969.

~ 2. This affidavit is submitted at the request of Mr. William E.

Coiby to explain the circumstances of my discovery OR February 4,- . '

19?4 of a file of stenographers' notes among Which spas the attacher

note of Miss sZ

summarizing a telephone conversation between Lt. General Robert E. Cushman, Jr. and Mr. John

Enrlichman on 7 July 1971. 020224 f

3. Director Colby's secretary, Miss o2 as came to my office on Monday morning, February 4. 1974. She said that

Mr. Colby svould lute me to go througn my files once more to make

certain that there were no misplaced transcripts of Conversations , which had b,een recorded in the Office of the Deputy Director of Central Intelligence. The recording of visitors

conversations had

been done on a very selective basis and this practice xvas discont

.

after General Cushman lett CIA in December 1971.

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40. 8 CIA ENTREE AFFIDAVIT FEBRUARY 5, 1Xd

4. ' During the morning of February 4, 1974, I vsent .hrough

the papers in my safe in order to determine if anyw rnisplaced

transcripts cf convcz-saFions xvere located there. At th bottom or

the second drawer nvere two folders of material that contained

information used for General Walters' orientation briefings after

he was appointed Deputy Director of Central Intelligence in Starch

1972. Under these briefing files I found a broev.n folder containing

ten stenographic notes summarizing General Cushrr.an's telephone

conversations with members of the White House staff in 1909, 1970

and 1971. In this folder svas a summary of General Cushman's

7 July 1971 conversation with Mr. John Ehrlichman.

5. These stenographicUn'Ste5 in This folder included sumrrlariet

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of General Cushman's conversations with Dr. Kissinger on leaks

of intelligence reports in the press, and his request her an

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analytical paper on Cambodia. There were also conversations with

other White House officials on intelligence leaks and on'requests

for name checks of foreigners. The conversations With Dr. Kissinge

were on top of the file of ten stenographic notes and one mernorarldur

written by the CIA General Counsel. The note of General Cushman's

conversations with Mr. Ehrlichman on 7 July 1971 was included

about two thirds of the way down in the file.. I had looked at this

file in May 1973 when Dr. Schlesinger requested employees to,

search all fees for material which might have been related to

Howard Hunt and the Watergate affair. At that time I noted the

records of the conversations EVith Dr. Kissinger and others on matter

which were completely unrelated to Watergate. I did not see the

single page item on General Cushrnan's conversation with

Mr. XEhrlichman about Howard Hunt, and presurnably, inadvertently

failed to uncover it when I was pagingSlrough these papers.

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Jo 6. The file of summary notes of Gcacral Cushman's tclephone:

Ii conversations svas maintain(:d by his secretary. I usually did not sce•I them when they were made because they nvere chicRy used by

Ij the secretaries to clarify questions which might be raised later

! D S In many cases, General Cushman probably Aid not see tnem either.

In December 1971 Miss ,Z , General Cushman's secretary,

and I reviewed General Cushman's papers after he left CIA to become

Marine Commandant. I decided to retainionly those papers which

related to General Cushmanls conversations With members of toe White

House staff.

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41. On June 28, 1972 Helms wrote a memorandum to Walters stating

the substance of Helms' conversation with Gray. Helms stated the CIA

still adhered to its request that the FBI confine its investigation

to the persons already arrested or directly under suspicion and that

the E1bI not expand its investigation into other areas which might

eventually run afoul of CIA operations.

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Memorandum from Richard Helms to Vernon Walters,

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41.1 RIC7IARD HEL~2S ItFMORAIVDUM, JWE 28, 1972

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22 :=.o 1972

1. AcQins DirecWo, Gray of t'ne FBI 'Dhoned r2 tffiis ~zBs wo cancel our te.eexi:wy sche^rrled fcr 2:30 this afXer.-.oor.. hte in~caved trdb he tfould noW be able to geb Wogefiner em'Wil r.e:ct ,;aek. infor.-.2d him Khat I w-offld ~be a~;ay bubtnck ~rou ~~ould be a~ilzble with '' - and . , . . for arer such :;;ee~:~r,g. I did, hoaie,er, use the op2ora;unitr of Wris call i;o ..a'lcetwo soints io lcci,102 DizecVr G.-ay: 1) ThaQ I would ~preciare his ca'_ling orf inzersiews •ti^~h /3

a^nd I g (tEs S a~ed to do); m-.d 2) Ohat ~'tcnneth u~~C Dahl'Derg w;xs r.o agent of the wI.l 2nd ta.^3@ a;e Ma :wo

ti2s W0 }@.., I s watnd ~hat our last -~reriAiablz co.nac 9 ar th hin w3S in .^2y 1R61. Act=¢ DirecLor Crayconrin.ed t.St -Ss ss the sa^-.~e We.m,eth Dahlbetg about WAOi;l he •Ja5 inqui;vog as soon as I idertiltied the£egle.=E=n as Whe 3tresident of Dahlberg Cownpany in 'Iir"-sapoZis. t t et9

2. I into~,!.ed - - 2nd Whis ;-.c~-.Ea in p,eE~&a=0;8. 1^0. •'whe scheduled za.eetinv *liS a ternloon. t:sat the Ager.cy _satter;O@~in7 to l' distance itsel£" ¢OT;l 'F,.;LS isnestiOation and t}^2 4 f tarlted the.n along aS "re e.-enoe riles" 90 ,-~articicata ir. theconve:-satio;~ •r'.len requcsted. I bolsl Wi..n t'Lw - *"~~nted t.o ¢~e_~heefflr.g ex.os-^ ~-*on os nno4!leses o. a~Ut efScr4 ~i?. t0co:l,}eC~~~e ~'oout xesaz;uSiDiIit;r or li'.esly cbjecvives o.' te ~.JaWetg~te ind::;iorl. §'I;1 shorL7 zt s ;c-. a meetLr.g, it _5 un to '22 ,- - 3Y Xo

SJ s~~e ~d3 on thc vable . Other.-rse,, .;e are =naD'e to 'e Cf he > . 'n Ci6 ~5 ~ X:2 SOi-^ adi2re uO ~sc reques-4 44hat ~;ê:,-confn ,e t'C.e-;~ernr2s 2Qo ~:-le ~~o^*alntics ~3aqt ar.-ested os diLecQly ~ .>,er 5us;:iCô:: m-d ~~hat they desısw vrorle;;pandDn7 ^4Es irrestOatiorl L-zvO obhz;~ :~eas t;.ach ~yseZ, s~:X~;;alljr, -nz aSo~;l of o~~ oZ—vtio.-~ .l '

3. S*~s b.;::oas you u~to~tc ;LS oa 3:0s, 2° J;~~.

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42. On June 28, 1972 Gray directed that the BBI interview Manuel

Ogarrio and continue its efforts to locate and interview Kenneth

Dahlberg. On that evening John Dean telephoned Gray at home and urged

that, for national security reasons or because of CIA interest, efforts

to interview Ogarrio and Dahlberg be held up. Gray thereafter cancelled

the interviews.


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rthe FBI, and leaks from the FBI concerning the tracing of the $114,000. Once again I believe there was somediscussion about Ogarrio and Dahlberg and it is my recollection that I was asked if I had ordered the internewsof Ogarrio and Dahlberg. I replied that I had either ordered or was going to order the interview of Ogarrio. Inthis discussion, I may have told NIr. Dean that I had arranged to meet with Director Helms and Deputy DirectorWalters at 2.30 p.m. that afternoon to try to get this CIA situation resolved, but I cannot be positive that Idid.

Xt 10:53 a.m. on this same day Sir. Ehrlichman called me. I xvas not available. but I returned his call at11:17 a m. His first words, issued abruptly, were: "Cancel your meeting with Helms and Walters today; it isnot necessary." I asked him for his reasons and he simply said that such a meeting is not necessary. I thenasked him point blank who was going to make the decisions as to who is to be interviewed. He responded,"You do."

I then telephoned Director Helms to tell him that I was canceling our meeting I also advised 31essrs. Feltand Bates of the cancellation, but stated that the three of us would meet. In this same conversation with me,Director Helms requested that we not interview active CIA men Earl Wagner and John Cnswell. I passed thisinformation to Mr. Felt and instructed that these men not be interviewed. Before orders could get to the field,however, Mr. Caswell had already been interviewed.

I met with Mr. Felt and Mr. Bates in mv office at 2:30 p.m. on this Wednesday afternoon, June 28, toreview the CIA situation. In this meeting I was brought up to date on all the latest developments in the case. Ican recall specifically discussing vith them the alleged compartmentalization at CIA where the rieht hand is notsupposed to knolv vhat the left is doing in sensitive operations and aslied if this could occur. We agreed thatit was possible, but un}iliely in the absence of some special White House interest in the hi,allest classificationof national security interests where the need to know svas rigidly controlled.

Mr. Bates pointed out that under no circumstances should we back off any investigation at the request ofCIA without forcinv them to reveal completely their interest in this matter. TVe all agreed that the FBI'sreputation was at stake and I assured them that I would not hold back the Fill in this investigation at anyone'srequest. including the President of the United states, in the absence of overridino and valid considerations. Itold them that if I were ordered to do so without valid reasons, I would resign.

It novas in this meeting that I believe I gave Sir. Felt and 3Ir. Bates instructions to go ahead with theinterview of ATr. Barrio and to contimle our efforts to locate and interview Mr. Dahlberg.

At ,3 :58 p.m., .Tune 28. Mr. Dean ealled and T xvas not available. I returned the call at 4:35 p.m. and I

believe nolv that this eall involved n request bv BTr. Dean to hold up on the interliesv of Aliss Kathleen

(7henov for alleged reasons of national secllritv until she returned from her vacation in F,ngland. I'm sure I

said sve votlld hold up for the time being but she would have to he interviewed soon. I can recall saving that

we nvill interview her in F,n.zland unless she returns from vacation at an early date. Or. I)ean rave me her

address

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Lin England in this conversation, I believe, and I passed it along in a call to Sir. Felt in which I instructed himto temporarily discontinue leads to interview and investigate AIiss Kathleen Chenow in England.

In the evening of this same day, Wednesday, June 28, 1972, a cable(rram divas sent to our legate inMexico city instructing him to interliexV Mr. Ogarrio concerning the four checks in the aggregate amount of$89,000. This order lvas'issued in the afternoon meeting with Ak. Felt and Mr. 'Bates, I believe, because ofthe phone call I made to Direetor Helms on June ia7 asking if the CI & had any interest in Mr. Ogarrio and hisreply to the effect that CIA had no interest.

At 8:15 a.m. on Thursday June 99, 197'2, I issued orders to cancel the interview of Sir. Ogarrio and to

instruct the Minneapolis Field Division to make no further attempts to interview Mr. Dahlberg but to continue

to obtain records of his long distance calls. I am fairly certain that I did so as the result of a telephone call I

received from Err. Dean at home, prior to mv departure to Dulles Airport for an inspection trip to San Diego

and Phoenix. He again urged that these intemeavs be held up for national securitv reasons or because of CLK

interest.- I called Mr. Felt, or his office, and gave these cancellation orders. On my o vn initiative I also ordered

that George WIunro, CIA station chief at NIexieo city, not be interviewed because I noted in one of the many

reports that crossed my desk that he lvas CI s station chief in Mexico city.

In San Diego, on Friday. June 30, I received a call from Stir. Felt. He informed me that Assistant IT.S.

Attorney Silbert wanted the FBI to inteuiew Mr. David Young, Mr. Ogarrio and bliss Chenow and that

ourS'ashington Field Office recommended interviews of Mr. Mitchell, Mr. Young and bliss Chenow. I

instructed Mr. Felt to tell Mr. Dean that lve were going to interview Sir. INIitchell, Sir. Young, Miss Cheno v,

and any others that we must interview and I also told him to give to Mr. Dean the message from Assistant U.S.

Attorney Silted lust as we had received it

Mr. Dean had called me earlier that morning to complain bitterly about alleged leaks from the FBI. In thisconversation it is ml,- recoilection that he Grain raised the question of not inters-ielving Atr. Ogarrio and 3Ir.Dahlberzr and stated that thev had absolutely nothing to do vith AVatertate. but I cannot be certain.

Sir. Dean called me afflain that afternoon. I do not recall whether or not Sir. Dean and I discussed 3tessrs.Ogarrio and Dahlberg in this conversation. I do know that Mr. Dean asked me to consider setting llp a specialgroup in the FBI to investigate the entire matter of leaks I told him that it lvas not necessary and that r shouldnot take such action.

Mr. Felt called me later that afternoon to report that lfilr. Dean informed him that Mr. Young and MissC:henow wonts be available for interview during the first part of the coming lveek. He also told me that AIr.T)ean lvas still complaining about alleged leaks from the FRI.

On Alondav. ,Tn1X- 3. 1974. I scheduled a meeting with Blessrs. Felt. Sates. an(l T.~nnlvel. snecinlassents in eharffle of the Washington field oflice. to ren-ielv the investigation to date and to consider allramifications of a possible CT V involvement. This meeting lasted from %a:30

p.m. until just about 4 p.m., and lve discussed everV possible theory

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43. On June 28, 1972 FBI agents met with Gordon Liddy, in the

presence of FCRP attorney Kenneth Parkinson, to question Liddy regarding

the break-in at the DNC headquarters. When Liddy declined to answer

the agents' questions, he was discharged by FCRP Chairman Maurice

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(The witness and counsel conferred.)

THE l*.'ITB8ı~SS: IJo.

BY DIR. WILLIAMS:

,0, You said that you were dismissed from your position

as Counsel for the Finance Committee to Re-elect the President

on June 28, 1972.

Who dismissed you?


A To the best of my ability to ascertain it, it was

rMr. stans who dismissed me.

Q Would you explain that? To the best of your ability

Don't you know who dismissed you?


A I am not sure who ordered it.

Q Who gave you the word?


A All right. This is the chronology of what occurred.

On or about the 28th of June at maybe 11 o'clock, I was

informed by someone -- and I don't actually recall who it was

that there were two Special Agents of the PBI who wished to

interview me.

I was preparing to go out. They were in the waiting room

or ante-chamber. I was preparing to go out and see them when

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I spas told that Iwas tianted on a conference on some legal mat-

ters elsewhere. I welt and attended tha_ conference.

And I would say approximately an hour' s time elapsed. So

notes we are at about noon.

I came back to the second floor there and checked back to

see if there were any messages, what have you, and found that I

was then free, went out and greeted the two Special Agents of

the FBI, who were in the waiting room, brought them back to May

of fic2.

At that time -- retract that.

It was

Mr. Kenneth Wells Parkinson who was present in the building,

who told me that two agents wanted to interview me.

He then stated that as counsel for the committee a policy

decision had been taken by the committee that he t~.7as to be pre-

sent at all interviews of anyone having anything to do with the

committee by Special Agents of the FBI or otherwise, and he

would like to be present.

And I told him I had no objection to that. Thereafter

someone told me that I had to go meet someone else in a con-

ference on some legal matter. So I excused myself. I asked him -

him being fir. Parkinson -- to please convey my apologies to the

agents for the delay. And he sa-!c. he would do so.

I came backs I got the ttN70 agents ;îe sent hack into my

office on the second floor and tar. Parkinson was present There

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xzas some pleasantriesof the day expressed between myself and

the two agentsinvolving the fact that both of us had.att:endec

the same college andboth had served in the same organization irQ

the past.

And Mr. Parkinson was seated to the side taking notes. One,

of the agents said, in words of substance, that he desired so

interview me with respect to the Watergate break-in matte-,

asked me if I knew certain individuals.

And at that time I said to him that it appeared to me that

he had reason to believe a crime had been committed, that I

gathered from what he was saying as he was saying it that I -

micht be implicated in it, so on and so forth.

There arose in my mind imraediately the question of fact

that I was an attorney, that the attorney-client privilege l;liq-ht

be involved, a number of other legal problems.

So I said to the agent that before he went any further,

prior to any interview, I would like to obtain the sers-icos of

an attorney, consult with him on what I believed were the pos-

sible legal problems involved and desired not to nave ant fur-

th2r conversation with him or with his companion agent until I

had the benefit of counsel.

And there was a bit more colloquoy an-S the agents 12f t .

Thereafter Car. Par!cinsor. left mid office, I continued on

about my business, and then another individual came to seee ;ne.

tie r. ay or may not have beer accompanied be or. ? :- kinsonX I

(480)

43.1 ARDOR GIDDY DEPOSITION, AUGUST 2d, 1972, O'BRIEN / DNC 7 V. McCORD,37 - 4 1-

I don't recall at this point.

43

And I believe it was Mr. Fred Larue, but r as not cereal OL his identity, and said, "knell, you knows tee policy or

the committee is that any time any representative O.: any official investigative body wants to discuss any matter with any

l?.embe= of this committee that they cooperate completely,n

I explained that I wanted to see my counsel and, in words of substance, I came to understand that this was not

acceptable and that if I were to persist in this position that I had taken it might well lead to my dismissal.

I am just giving my best recollection now.

Thereafter I was told that Mr. stans wanted to see me.

This was the same afternoon we are talking, just in terms or an hour or two.

And tor. stans, I believe, was the man who told me, as would.

be normal and proper, inasmuch as he was my boss, that in view of the position I had taken, my services were no longer

needed, or I would be dismissed, or I don't knower the exact language.

Don't you remember who it seas who fired you?

ls I tallied to ^1r. stans.

() t\lasn ' t he the one WilO fired you?

A I also talked to plr. Larue and I also tallied to for.

Park inson .

tly best recollection is it was Jar. Scans.

(481)

43.1 gRDOW LIDDY DEPOSITION AUGUST 2d, 1972, O'BRIEN gDNC 7 V. McCORD,

37- 4 7

41

Q Is there somedoubt in your mind as to who it was who

to Ed you thi s ?

.

A Well, the language of your question or as I recall

your question was how did I come to know or som,ethiny of that

sort, you see, and that is why I went through this explanation

f or you .

It's my best recollection and understanding that the per

son who formally told me that I was no longer to ba employed

z by the conunittee and so on and so forth was Mr. stans.

Q Did Mr. stans have a discussion with you With respect

to your involvement, if any, in the Watergate break-in about

which we are inquiring.


A I decline to answer that question on the ground that

to do so might tend to incriminate me.

Q Did Mr. Scans know about your involvement in the Water

gate incident prior to June 28?

Sir. bLAROULIS: I object to the form of that question.

It assumes an answer. I won't permit my client to answer

that .

BY MR. WILLI.ZU-tS:

Q Did you ever discuss with Mr. stans, prior to June 98

the brear;-in of the Democratic National Com;n.ttee at the tsater—,

gate ?

(482)

44. On or about June 28, 1972 John Dean was informed that the FBI was

attempting to interview Kathleen Chenow, the secretary of David Young and

Egil Krogh in the White House Special Investigations Unit (the "Plumbers").

(The number of a telephone billed to Chenow at her home address but

located in the EOB was contained in a personal book of telephone numbers

of Eugenio Martinez and in an address book of Bernard Barker found in

the Watergate hotel room that had been occupied by certain of the men

arrested in the DNC headquarters.) Dean has testified that he informed

John Ehrlichman of problems connected with Chenow's interview and

Ehrlichman agreed that before her FBI interview Chenow should be briefed

not to disclose the activities of Howard Hunt and Gordon Liddy while at

the White House. On June 28, 1972 Dean telephoned Acting FBI Director

Gray and requested that Chenow's interview be temporarily held up for

reasons of national security. Gray agreed to the request.

44.5

44.1 John Dean testimony, 3 SSC

44.2 E. Howard Hunt testimony, SSC Executive Session,May 14, 1973, 311-12 485


44.4 Washington, D. C. Police Department evidence report, June 20, 1972, identifying Bernard Barkeraddress book, Exhibit 38-A, United states v. Liddy..........

....489

Washington, D. C. Police Department evidence report, June 20, 1972, identifying Eugenio Martinez

telephone directory, Exhibit 54-S-1, United states v. l . . .492

44.6 SSC report of Kathleen Chenow FBI 302 interview,July 3, 1972 (received from SSC)...................

Ah 7 T. Patrick Grav testimony, SJC, Gray Nomination

44.8

.... * 495

Hearings, February 28, 1973, 127 496

.Kathleen Chenow telephone records, 2/72 - 4/72

.(received from SSC) 497

(483)

44.1 JOgN DEM TESTIMONY. JUDE 26. 1973, 3 SSC 941

941

rformed the general pattern that svas followed with other members of the White House stab that is I

xrould discuss with the person before the interview what I throught the agents would be interested in

and then discuss that persons area of knowledge I had reviewed this procedure with Ehrlichman, who

fully concurred in the procedure. On several occasions, Blr. Fielding of mv office also participated in

preparing witnesses for their intervie as with the FBI. Contrary to some accounts that pi sat in on some

14 to 18 interviews at the White House, the onl,y intervielvs I recall sitting in on vere Chapin's, Miss

Chenovf's, Cole son's, Ehrlichman's, bliss Joan Hall's, Strachan's, Tinunons', and Young's. Also I was

present when Fielding, Rehrli, and I

ire Hunt's safe.

The only FBI interview that differed from the normal pattern was the interview of Miss Chenow. It

was in late June that Bliss Chenow's former roommate notified David Youn(> and I believe also Bud

Isrogh that the FBI had been to see her and requested to know where '3tiSs Chenow was. The former

roommate had said that the agents had asked about a telephone listed in 3:1is8 Chenosv's name. The

roommate had informed the FBI that Miss Cheno v vitas in London on vacation. Dalid Young came to

see Fielding and I and said that this girl could not know anything about the Watergate, but could cause

the White House problems by inadvettentl,> ans vering questions about the plumbers' operation. vhele

she had been employed, and that- the telephone had becn listed in her name in connection with the

plumbers' operation. Ak. Young vvas verv concerned about AIiss Chenow bemg caught off guard by an

FBI agent. Accordingly, I notified Gray that we avonld mal;e arrangements to have AIiss Chenonv

available to the avents in Washington within a fear days.

I discussed the problem, that Chenoxv could cause the White House problems, vith Ehrlichman and

suggested that someone brine her back from London for the interview and explain to her that she should

not get into Hnnt's and Liddy's activities while at the WN5lite House. Ehrlichman fullv agreed and I

called Fielding from Ehrlichman's office and told him he should be on the next plane to London to get

the airl. The two first-class rotmdtrip tickets svere paid for by the White House. There were two sets

because AIiss Cheno v svas provided transportation back to Loncloll. I informed .Tvehrli, rho would

not authorize such a trip on m) word alone, that I had cleared this with Ehrlichman. I do not l;nonv if

Ivehrli himself checked with Ehrlichman or Haldeman. I believe it xvas on Julv g that Fielding left for

London -and returned with 3tiSS Chenoxv the next dav. He did hare some problem because the address

that had been Riven him vvas incorrect. Fielding and Yonllt briefed A[iss Cllellow m-hen she came back

before her inters ie^^, and Fieklint, and I lvere present when tile F131 interviewed hel.

I svill now turn to me first meetings lVitil :jtr. C!vrav. beyinllina on

pare oG lv+~ardinXr tile investigation.

XOTIE.—In(lentffl matter represents portl(>ns of ok. Dean s Prepared statement vrhleb nerd olxllttetl or senlmarlze.l In has presentation

(484)

44. 2 E. HOWARD HfflVT TESTIMONY, MY 14, 1973, SSC EXECUTIVE SESSION, 311-12


Mr. Hunt. Which was the time,

it, that Mr. Liddy formally

left the White House and assumed a position with the Committee.

Mr. Dash. And then what did you do? Did you stay on at the White House?

Mr. Hunt. I stayed on at the White House, yes.

Mr. Dash. And you maintained that office at the White House?

Mr. Hunt. that [siC] is correct, sir.

Mr. Dash. And was your position still as a Consultant?

Mr. Hunt. Yes, sir.

Mr. Dash. Were you working then for Mr. Colson?

Mr. Hunt. Yes, sir, and I did occasional jobs in the narcotics field for Mr. Krogh or Mr. Young.

Mr. Dash. Now, when was the time that a special telephone was set up in the White House that was billed to Mr. [sic] Chenow's apartment?

Mr. Hunt. That would have to be -- oh, I would say in

the month of July or early August of 1971.

Mr. Dash. And what was the purpose of setting that telephone up?

Mr. Hunt. So that persons associated with our Task Force, if you will, could be reached by means other then through the White House switchboard.

r Mr. Dash. And what was Mrs. Chenow's relationship with


House Judiciary Comraittee staff

41 021 0 - 74 - 32

(485)

311

44.2 E. HOWARD HWT TESTIMONY, MAY 14s 1973, SSC EXECUTIVE SESSION, 311-12


House Judiciary Committee staff 312

this proj ect?

LMr. Hunt. She was a secretary to the group, worked

specifically for Mr. Young.

Mr. Dash. Did she answer that telephone?

Mr. Hunt. Yes.

Mr. Dash. '

Mr. Hunt.

Mr. Dash.

terminated it?

Mr. Hunt.

Mr. Dash.

When did the use of that telephone terminate?

I do not know.

I mean, it was not on your orders that you

Oh, no, sir. Well, there came a time when your work with the group terminated, did it not?

Mr. Hunt. Yes, approximately January of 1972.

Mr. Dash. And how did that come about?

Mr. Hunt. Well, it was just that I was doing — I had a regular full-time job with the public relations firm in town. I was

spending a great deal of time traveling [sic] with and for Mr. Liddy, and it was just a question of available time. There was no time

for me to work with the group, 16 people any more.

Mr. Dash. Now, Mr. Liddy had gone over to the Committee for the Re-Election of the President?

Mr. Hunt. Yes, sir.

Mr. Dash. Wllat was the name of that Company that you were working with?


(486)

44 . 3 l. PATRICK GSY TESTIMONY, AUGUST 3, 1973, 9 SSC 3455-56

3455

the FBI, and leaks from the FBI concerning the tracing of the $114,-000. Once again I believe there was some discussion about Ogarrio

and Dahlberg and it is my recollection that I was asked if I hadordered the inteniews of Ogarrio and Dahlberg. I replied that I had

either ordered or was going to order the interview of Ogarrio. In thisdiscussion, I may have told AIr. Dean that I had arranged to meet withDirector Helms and Deputy Director A;Valters at 2:30 p.m. that after-

noon to try to get this CIA situation resolved, but I cannot be positive

that I did.

art 10 :a5 a.m. on this same day Mr. Ehrlichman called me. I lvas

not available, but I returned his call at 11:17 a.m. His first words,issued abruptly, were: "Cancel your meeting with Helms and Walterstoday it is not necessary." I asked him for his reasons and he simplysaid that such a meeting is not necessary. I then asked him point blankwho was going to make the decisions as to who is to be interviewed. He

responded, "You do.''

I then telephoned Director Helms to tell him that I was canceling

our meeting. I also advised Alessrs. Felt and Bates of the cancellation,but stated that the three of us would meet. In this same conversationwith me, Director Helms requested that we not interview active CI.~men Earl Warner and John Caswell. I passed this information to Mr.Felt and instructed that these men not be interviewed. Before orderscould get to the field, however, Mr. Caswell had already been inter-

viewed.

I met with Mr. Felt and Mr. Bates in my office at 2:30 Am. on this

Wednesday afternoon, June 28. to review the CIA situation. In thismeeting I was brought up to date on all the latest developments inthe case. I can recall specifically discussing with them the alleged com-partmentalization at CIA where the right hand is not supposed toknow what the left is doing in sensitive operations and asked if thiscould occur. We agreed that it vv as possible, but unlikelv in the absenceof some special White House interest in the highest classification ofnational security interests where the need to know was rigidly con-

trolled.

Mr. Bates pointed out that under no circumstances should we back

off any investigation at the request of CI.~ without forcing them toreveal completely their interest in this matter. We an agreed that the'FBI's reputation was at stake and I assured them that I would nothold back the FBI in this investigation at anyone's request. includingthe President of the United states in the absence of overriding andvalid considerations. I told them that if I were ordered to do so with-

out valid reasons, I would resion.

It was in this meeting that I believe I gave Sir. Felt and Sir. Bates

instructions to fflo ahead With the interview of Or. Ogarrio and to con-tinne our efforts to locate and interview Fir. I)ahlberg.

At 3:58 p.m., Tune 28. Mr. Dean called and I was not available.

I retnrne(l the call at 4 :,3.S p.m. and I believe now that this call in-vol~-ed a reslllest bv Fir. Dean to hold llp on the interview of MissKathleen (>henoxv for alleaed reasons of national secllritv until she

returned from her vacation ill England. I'm sure I said we wouldhold up for the time being belt she would have to he interviewed soon.

I ean recall savina that we will interview her in England unless shereturns from vacation at an earlv date. Or. Clean wave me her address

(487)

44.3 l. PATRICK GRAY TESTIMONY, AUGUST Is 1973, 9 SSC 3455-56

34M

in England in this conversation, I believe, and I passed it along ina call to AIr. Felt in which I instructed him to temporarily discontinueleads to interview and investigate Aliss Kathleen Chenow in England.- In the evening of this same day, Wednesday, June 28, 1972, a cable-fflram xvas sent to our legate in Mexico city instructing., him to inter~-iexvMr. Ogarrio concerning the four checks in the aggregate amount of$89,000. This order was issued in the afternoon meeting with 31r. Feltand Mr. Bates, I believe, because of the phone call I made to DirectorHelms on June s2T asking if the CIA had any interest in Or. Ogarrio

and his reply to the effect that CIA had no interest.

At 8 :16 a.m. on Thursday, June 29, 19Ts2, I issued orders to cancel

the interview of 3rr. OgKarrio and to instruct the Minneapolis FieldDisısion to make no further attempts to interview AvIr. DahlberO butto continue to obtain records of his lonffl distance calls. I am fairlycertain that I did so as the result of a telephone call I received fromNor. Dean at home, prior to mv departure to Dulles Airport for aninspection trip to San Diego and Phoenix. He again urged that theseinterviews be held up for national security reasons or because of CLtinterest. I called Mr. Felt, or his office, and galre these cancellationorders. On my own initiative I also ordered that George 3Iunro, CI-tstation chief at Mexico City, not be interviewed because I noted in oneof the manV reports that crossed my desk that he was CI.~ station chief

in Mexico city.

In San Diego, on Friday, June 30, I received a call from WIr. Felt.

He informed she that Xssistant U.S. Attorney Silbert wanted theFBI to interview Mr. David Young, WIr. Ogarrio and Aliss Chenowand that our Washington Field Office recommended interviews of Sir.Mitchell, Mr. Young and Miss Chenow. I instructed AIr. Felt to tellMr. Dean that we were going to interview :\Ir. Mitchell, Mr. Yoking,Miss Chenosv, and any others that we must interviesv, and I also toldhim to give to Mr. Dean the message from Assistant U.S. AttorneyS;i]he.rt. iust as we ha s1 received it

Mr. Dean had called me earlier that mornin :r to complain bitterly

about alleged leaks from the FBI. In this conversation it is mv recol-lection that he again raised the question of not interviewing Mr. Ovar-rio and Mr. Dahlbero and stated that t,hev had absolutely nothing to do

with Watergate. but I cannot be certain.

Mr. Dean called me again that afternoon. I do not recall whether

or not Air. Dean and I discussed Alessrs. Ogarrio and Dahlbe,rg in thisconversation. I do know that Mr. Dean aslied me to consider settingalp a special group in the FBI to investigate the entire matter of leaks.I told him that it was not necessary and that I would not take such

action.

Mr. Felt called me later that afternoon to report that BIr. Dean

informed him that Mr. Young and Miss Chenow would be availablefor interview during the first part of the eominS weel;. He also told methat Sir. Dean was still eomPlaininy about alleged leaks from the

FRI.

()n Mondav, .Tulv 3,197a. I scheduled a meeting with Messrs. Felt,.

Plates, and lVunlQel. special agents in ellarwe of the Washinffltan fieldoffice. to review the inw-esti<ration to date and to consider all rnmifica-tions of a possible Cl.-t involvement. This meeting lasted from n :-30

p.m. until just about 4 p.m., and ave discussed everv possible theor,v.

(488)

44.4 WASHINCTOD, D.C. POLICE DgPAATllEDT EVIDENCE REPORT, JUDE 20, 1972

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Democratic ttational Committee Watergate/2600 va. Ave. NW

4. Of FENSES. DArE OF OF Fe MAE | 6. If C S NO- | 7. C.C.R. ho.

I 6/17/72 § 12830 § 316-832

- BELOW ARE THE RESULTS OF THE EXAMINATIONS CONDUCTED BY THE IDENTIFICATION SECTION

FROM THE TOP DRAWER OF DRESSER AT LEFT OF DOOR EROM Roof 214

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#262 A check in receipt for the Watergate Hotel for room 214 in name of F./ Carter, IN 6/16, OUT 6/19, Firm Ameritas, 955 SW First, Miami, Fla.

and signed by Frank Carter.

A check: in receipt for the Watergate Hotel for room 214 in name ow J.

'Yaldez, IN 6/16, OUT 6/19, Firm Ameritas, 955 SW First, Miami, Fla. and signed.

A black or dark blue small book with "Addresses Telephones" in yellow lettering on front and on the first page

"Bernard L. Barker, 5229 NW 4th Street, Miami, Fla. 33126, Office Barker Associated Lnc. 2301 No- 7 St., Suites Fs G. Miami, Fla. 33125", book contains various names, addresses and telephone numbers.

A torn out piece of white lined paper headed "Addresses" with name "Carole Frohman, 865 -0255 " .

|#266 A black plastic folder containing (7) seven business cards in name of { - ~ Bernard L. Barker, G.R.I, Realtor.

~]i297/ A business card from E. Rolando Martinez, Associate of Barker Associates

R ' Inc.; Realtors.

a! M #268 /A Sears Easy Payment Account Card #45 42313 76571 5 in name of Mr.

t Ri #269, -A social security card #213-07-0844 in name of Bernard Leon Barker.

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- Credit Card, number 047 252 328 1 800AX in the

8273LA standard Chevron National Travel Credit Card, number 110 319 250 4 in name of Bernard L. Barker.

#274 'A Texaco Travel Credit Card, #19 414 3802 8 in the name of B L Barker

ti275 - A Shell Credit Card, number 984 135 004 in nave Oi B L Barker.

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(489)

Democratic National Committee Water2ate/2600 Va. Ave Eni_ . , , .

4. OFFENSE DATE Cur OF FeN>Eg 6. M C S Ho.. C.C.R. riO,

Burglary II : 6~17-72 1 12830 | 316-832BELOW ARE THE RESULTS OF THE EXAMINATIOIS CONDUCTED BY THEIDENTIFICATION SECTiON

The below listed property recovered on Search Warrant by Detective RobertDenell, CID in room #214 of the Watergate Hotel on 6-17-72 and turned over-:to Technician Larry Muncy of the Mobile Crime Laboratory 6-20-72 at 0815hrs.

.#167 One black with white metal trim CSamsonite" attache ease.

(The attache case contained the following:)

#168 One brown and yellow metal "bates" list finder, model K, with :"PFCDonnie Martinez, Co B. 2nd Tank Battallion, Force Troops, CampLejeune, North Carolina, 28542" written inside the top of the finder.(This item is known as a pop-up telephone directory.)

One "1972 Realty Bluebook" with torn out page from desk calendar insame. Calendar page dated Monday, August 23rd and Tuesday August 24th,1971. On the August 23rd side is written: "2514 N.W. 122 St.".

One green with yellow lettering "Expanded Payment Table for MonthlyMortgaz Loans" with business card of "E. Rolando Martinez" attached toinside F-ront cover.

A black vinyl address book with "LSM Mortgage Co.,6500 W.4th Ave Suite6; Hialeah, Florida, 822-7520" imprinted on same. In the "Q" section ofthe book is a diagram of what appears to be a hotel lobby.

Black leather business card holder containing business cards of "Z.Rolando Martinez" and other subjects.

].S, Airmail Postage stamp holder with" six 11 cent Airmail stamps s six2 cent stamps in same.

A envelope from "Real Estate Directories" addressed to- "Judd Realtvof Miami", containing real estate listings of the Miami area that arefor sale.

Envelope containing legal seperatSon papers of Eugenio RolandoMartinez and Jean Marie Moleski DeGregorio Martinez. "Case 72-9'";a-Ti' Y^S^^"

O ~ ( papers had not been signed but was to appear before Judge J.W. Kehoe< of Dade County,Fla., June 27, 1972)

+ ~'~E'Sr ~ //t9X'C~~ // /zA , FSl~n~euro of Re ie_nS Ollictd , Si~~natur I raclaniconflr A*sl~~nncr

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(492)

1 g4.S EUGENIC MARTINEZ TELEPHONE DIRECTORS EXHIBIT 54-S-l, U.S. V. LIDDY

(494)

44,6 SSC REPORT OF KATHLEEN CHENOW FBI 302 INTERVIEW, JUDY 3, 1972

This is Tuesday, April 24, 1973, I an in the FBI Headquarters,this is Samuel Dash, Chief Counsel of the Select Committee and Iam reviewing 302's for the purpose of preparing interviews forcommittee witnesses.

The first interview is Miss Kathleen Chenow. She was interviewedon July 3, 1972 by special Robert E. Lill and Daniel C. MAHEN andshe was interviewed in the Executive Office-Building, 17th &Pennsylvania Avenue in the presence of Mr. John Dean, counsel fromPresident Nixon, and Mr. Fred Fielding, Mr. Deans assistant. MissChenow stated that she was employed in a secretarial capacity toMr. David Young, Rm. 16, Executive Office Blig. from June 71 tillsometime in March 72. That she was approached by Mr. Youngsometime in October 71 and requested to have a private telephoneinstalled in the suite of offices located in Rm. 16 for the use ofMr. E. Howard Hunt, who would be in a position to receive calls onthat phone line. The phone bills for this particularphone was to be sent to Miss Chenow's home address 501 Slater's Lane,-Alexandria, Virginia. She agreed to this arrangement and the billswas sent to her home and she brought them to the office andpresentedthem to Mr. John Campbell staff secretary to President Nixon.Accordingto Miss Chenow the phone was in the suite of office forapproximatelyfive months and was taken out sometime in the middle of March 1972.Mr. Young office was a suite of four rooms-which included Mr.Young'soffice, a senate office, a conference room and a small receptionarea the phone which had been installed and billed to her residencewas an extension of 2 telephones setting on desks in the senateoffice,an possible a third extension into the conference room.

Miss Chenow said that Hunt visited the Young office approximatelytwice a week that he did not have an office in that suite but thathe was located on the third floor of the Executive Office Building.She last saw Mr. Hunt in March 1972. She believed that Hunt wasassisting Mr. Young in the aftermath of the "Pentagon Papers" shealso stated that she was aquainted with G. Gordon Liddy and that hewas a third party that assisted Mr. Young and occupied-an office inthe same general location of Young. The last time she saw Mr. Liddywas in February 1972 when he came to the office to pick up mail andMr. Liddy left the employ of the White House in December 1971 foremployment to the Committee to Reelect the President.

Miss Chenow said that the phone installed in the Young suite wasessentially a telephone for Mr. Hunt's use and served as aanswering service. In addition to a local address in Alexandria,Virginia Miss Chenow has a Milwaukee address which is 4957 North110th Street, Milwaukee, Wisconsin. This is her parents address.The Alexandria, Virginia address telephone number as of the time

of this interview was 836-1040.

(495)

44. 7 L. PATRICK GRAY TESTIMONY, FEBRUARY 28, 1973,SJC, GRAY NOMINATION HEARINGS, 127

127

Senator BYRD. Did you have contact with anyone employed bythe Committee for the Reelection of the President?

Mr. GRAY. Contact when or where or for what purpose?Senator BYRD. At any time.Mr. GRAY. No; I had nothing to do with that committee.Senator BYRD. You had no contact with any employee of that

committee?Mr. GRAY. No. Except during the conduct of this investigation,

the FBI did; we interviewed those people. But I had no personalcontact. I had(l no telephone calls. I had no letters. I had no visits.

Senator BYRD. Irrespective of the Watergate investigation, didyou have any contacts?

Mr. GRAY. No.Senator BYRD. Did you know anyone on the committee? Did you

know anyone on the committee staff? Did you ever have any contactwith them?

Mr. GRAY. Sure; I knew those people—sure. I knew BobMardian and John Mitchell and Fred LaRue; I came to know thosepeople after I came to Washington and after 1969. I did not knowthem before that.

Senator BYRD. When did YOU first learn of Mr. Liddy'sinvolvement

in the Watergate break-in?

Mr. GRAY. I will have to give you the exact information because Idid not provide myself with that kind of detailed information todayand I will have to submit it. It probably came to me under an aliasfirst and then probably came to me with his true name as wedeveloped it. I know I have the names of the people who werearrested but those, as we know, were aliases as we later found out.But I will have to find the exact time that George Gordon Liddy'sname was delivered to me, Senator.

Senator BYRD. And from whom.Mr. Gray. And from whom; yes.(Mr. Gray subsequently submitted the following document for the

record :)I find, Senator Byrd, upon checking the records, that on June 18 1972, we first

learned that one George Leonard, later identified as George Gordon Liddy wasregistered at the Watergate Hotel with the group which was arrested at the DemocraticCommittee Headquarters. Extensive efforts, of course, were made to endeavor toidentify Leonard. On June 28, 1972, Assistant Director Bates directed a memorandumto Acting Associate Director Felt which stated that at 12:oO P.M. that date, SACKunkel had called to advise that in tracing telephone calls of Martinez and Barker, oneof the numbers called at the Committee to Reelect the President was that of a Mr.Gordon Liddy. Our Agents attempted to interview Liddy that day and he refused to beinterviewed. Subsequently on 7/3/72, Liddy's photograph was positively identified asbeing the individual known as George Leonard.

Senator BYRD. Were you aware that Mr. Lid(ly was a formerFBI agent and that he was finance counsel for the Committee toReElect tile President at the time of the Watergate break-in?

Mr. GRAY. NO; I was not. I di(l not even know Mr. Liddy-.Senator,BYR Dyou did not know him personally?µr. GRAY. No, sir; I did(l not.Senator BYRD. Even through,h the Committee to Re-elect the

President?

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45. On June 28, 1972 Gray met with John Ehrlichman and John

Dean. At this meeting Gray was given two folders containing

documents which he was told had been retrieved from Howard

Hunt's safe and had not been delivered to FBI agents when

the remainder of the contents of the safe was delivered on

June 27, 1972. Gray was told that these documents were

politically sensitive, were unrelated to Watergate, and

should never be made public. Dean did not deliver to Gray

the two notebooks and pop-up address book that had been

found in Hunt's safe; Dean has related that he discovered

these items in a file folder in his office in late January

1973, at which time he shredded the notebooks and discarded

the address book.

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45.2 L. PATRICK GR4Y TESTIMONY, AUGUST 3, 1973~ 9 SSC 3467

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House., Department of ,Jilstice, and Cl t on the subject of retrieval bythe CIA of CI \ information furnished to the Department of Justice.

THE HOlVARD IIUNT FILES

Prior to a meeting I had laity 3Ir. Dean and 31r. ~,hrlichman in Air. Ehrlichmatl s office on the evening ofJune 98, 197Q, I had no knowledge from any source xvhatever of the existence of these particular files or ofthe information and instlaletions I svas to receive that evenings,.

I arrived at 3rr. F,hrlichman's office at about 6 :,30 p.m. that evening for the purpose of discussing witch

him the many rumors and allegations concerning leaks of information from the FBI regarding the WN7ateroate

investigation. One of his secretaries told me to go right on into his private office. hair. Dean Novas in the

office talking with BIr. Ehrlicllman. I remember being surprised at 3Ir. Dean's presence because I had not

knoxvll that he would be at the meeting

after the nsllal greetings nvere exchanged, AIr. Ehrlichman said something very close to, ' John hassomething that he avants to tllrn over l;o you." I then noticed that Air. Dean had in his hands two whitemanila, legal-size file folders. It is mV recollection that these folders were not in envelopes at this time.

Air. Dean then told me that these files contained copies of sensitive and classified papers of a politicalnature that Howard Hunt had been •-or';inC on. He said that their have national security implicatiOllS 01*overtones, have absolutely nothing to do with Alrnterfrate and have 110 bearing on the AlT.ttertrateinvestigation whatsoever. Either WIr, Dean or Sir. Ehrlichman said that these files should not be allowed toCOllf tlse or muddv the issues in the A0raterCate case.

I asked whether these files should become a part of our FBI lYaterfrate file. AIr. I)ean said these shouldnot become a part of our FBI AVaterrrate file, but tllat. he Ranted to he able to says if called upon later, thathe had turned all of Elosvard Hunt's files over to the FUl.

I distinctly recall Air. Dean saving that these files svere apolitical a) namite. ' and ';clearlv should not, seethe tight of dav.''

It is true that, neither 3Ir. Ehllicllmall nor 3Ir. Dean express]v instructed me to destrov the files. Glut theredivas, and is, no doullt iil my mind that destruction was intended. Neither Ails. Deals nor WIr. Ehr]iclllnansaid or implied that I svas beillfr erivell the documents persona]lv merelv to safeguard nfrainst lealQs. Is Ibelieve each of them testified before this committee the AArhite blouse rewarded the FBI as a source of leaks.The clear implication of the substance and tone of their remarks svas that these txvo files mere to be destrovedand I interpreted this to be an order from the counsel to the President of the United States issued in thepresence of one of the two top assistants to the President of the United States.

It is m>,- recollection that I asked for large brown envelopes in which to place the files. I believe that Air.Dean stepped brieflv into the ontel olfice to obtain the enve]ol)es and pureed each filc in a separate hlonvnenvelope in ATr. Ehrlicllmall's inner office and handed them to me.

,-tltllollftll mV memory is not perfectly clear on this. I believe AIr.

Dean their left, Atr. Ehr]icllmall's of Flee al;(l I stat ed for .) or 10 minutes

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45.3 JOh57 EHRLICHM4# TEStI r NY, JUDY 30, 1973. 7 SSC 2835-36

at this meeting, and what it nvas General Walters was going to go and

• tall; to lair. Gray about.

Senator ERVIN. I think this may be an appropriate time to recess

for lunch.

Mr. WILSO:9-. Mr. Chairman, may I inquire about the schedule. Mr.

Haldem3n is our next witness and I would like to ask would yousuggest that he be here at 2 o'clock? He has a statement which svouldtake no longer than 2 hours to read and I would suggest that he read

it the same day.

Senator ERVIN-. I would snggest that he come in at 3 o'clock. I think

ve can finish with Mr. Ehrlichman at that time. I don't know whether

we can or not.

[whereupon at 19:30 p.m., the committee recessed to reconvene at

2 p.m. on the same day.]

AFTERNOON SESSION, MONDAY, JULY 30~ lg73

Senator ERVIN. The committee will come to order.

Counsel will resume the interrogation of the witness.

Mr. DASH. Mr. Ehrlichman, following the meeting that you had

on June 23 with Mr. Walters, Mr. Helms, and Mr. Haldeman, didyou instruct Mr. Dean to contact Mr. Walters and follow up on theJune 23 meeting i

fir. ERRLICHMAN. No, sir. I simply notified WIr. Dean that there

had been a meeting, that General Walters was going to be talkingwith Mr. Gray, and that we had indicated to General Walters that

Mr. Dean would be his contact from that point forward.

Mr. DASH. Did there come a time when General Walters did call

you and tell you that he was going to have a meeting or that Dean hadcontacted him and was it all right for him to speak to Mr. Dean?

Mr. E}IRLICH3WAN. It either happened that way or I told him at

• the time of the meeting on the 23d that Dean would be his contact,

one or the other, but I am quite sure that I indicated to GeneralWalters that Dean was the White House man who was looking after

this whole subject.

Mr. DASH. Were you aware that Mr. Dean did in fact meet with

General Walters on June 26 ?

Mr. EHRLICHMAN. No, I was not aware of those meetings.

Mr. DASH. There were a series of meetings ?

Mr. EHRLICH}tAN. Yes, I understand there were, and I was not

aware of that series of meetings until just recently.

Mr. DASH. And Mr. Dean did not report to you on them?

Mr. EHBLIC1IMAN. No, he did not.

Mr. DASH. Now, on June 28, 1972, you met with Mr. Dean and Mr.

Gray, and we have had some testimony on that, and on that same dayyou had t vo earlier meetings with Mr. Dean. Do you recall vhat thetv o earlier meetings xvere about before the meeting with Mr. Dean andMr. Gray 2

Mr. EE{RLICII5FAN. Not specifically. I surmised that one of them avas

simply an informational meetino knowing that I xvas about to leavetown for an extended period of time. AS I recall, there was a conversa-

tiOII and whether it was by meeting 01- whether it divas by telephone,I cannot recall, but on the same day that sve met with Pat Gray I am

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45.3 JOHN EHRLICHMAN TESTIME7111Y. SltLY 30 1.g7.~ 7.s.q(7 9R.X.R_.Xg

quite sure sve had a conversation about turning over the contents of

Hunt's safe to 3tEr. Gray.

AIr. DASTI. All right.

Then, you had your meeting with Mr. Gray and I think vou havealready testified to the circumstances under which a particular packet

or envelope vs-as turned over to Air. Gray.

Mr. EllE1ICHBIAN. Right.

WIr. DASH. I think eve have had full testimony on that.

Now, by the ways did you know at the time the packet of materials

vas turned over to WIr. Gray vhat xvas contained m the packet?

AIr. EHRLICH}L-\N. No.

Mr. DASH. Had you been told by Mr. Dean they nvere sensitive ma-terials, politically sensitive materials a

3Ir. EHRLICHBIAN. Yes.

zIr. DASH. I think vou test.ified in response to a question of Atr.

Gurney on page 54,38 of the testimony Senator Gurney asked vou:"Did you ever have anv communication with XIr. Grav about thesedocuments after this meeting?" and referring to the June 28 meetingand you answered, "Yes, sir." And Senator Gurney said, "And recount

it to the committee," and your anssver was:

That was in April of this year that we had a conversation. The President asked

me to telephone Sir. Gray. It was a Sunday night and it was the lath of Aprilabout 10-15 p.m. I was in the President's EOB office, and he had a meeting thatday with Mr. Iiliendienst. The subject of these documents came up at this

meeting.

Then, you were asked to call Mr. Gray. You referred to that tele

phone call. You said:

I told him at that time that the delivery of the documents to him

to Mr. Gray,

hadrbeen the subject of this conversation between the Attorney General and thePresident that Mr. Dean apparently had told the prosecuting attorney aboutthe fact that be had made the delivery. AIr. Gray said, "lVell, he cannot do that "and I said "well he did say that," and he said "i! he says that I vFill deny it,"and I said "well Pat, it isn't a subject for denial. Obviously, itt is not somethingyou can deny. I recall the episode very clearly," and vell. he says "You have got

to back me up on this, and he went on to say fir destroyed the documents."

I think at that point vou said you lvere nonplussed about it and you

hung up. Then you decided, after tallying to the President, that per-haps you had not made it elear that you avere not going to back himup and you called him back and without my reading the testimony,you made it very clear to him that if you had to go to testifv you

would tell the truth about that.

Nonv, is it not true, 3Ir. Ehrlichman, this svas not the next time that

you had a conversation lVitll AIr. Gray about those documents? Thatat the April 15 meeting did not WIr. Grav—

Mr. EIIRL[CliZfAN [interrupting] . The next time

Mr. DASH [interrupting]. The question put by Senator Gurnev that

after the June ()8 meeting, did vou have again occasion to talld about

'those documents with WIr. Gray, and vour answer lvas

Mr. E IlRLICHBtAN [interrupting] . I see.

WIr. DASH [continuing]. The April 15 phone call.

A/Er. EIIRLICTIAtA7t. YOU are referring to the rather oblique reference

in Err. Gray's phone report to me about his confirmation hearings per-

haps, and that is correct.

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r Senator GURNEY. Well, let us get, then to—that is clear enough. I Let us get to the Gray papers. As I understand your testimony

now, Arr. Dean did raise these sensitive papers. If they lvere just filed alvay in the FBI regular files and somebody got to them, lVIly,

it would lee Avery embarrassing to a lot of people.

hIr. EHRLICEIMAN. That is what he said.

Senator 'GURNEY. What happened to those papers ? Tell 5 our version of the story from his first telling you that these

were sensitive papers to where he tells you something different about them?

lAIr. EIIRLICEIMAN. He agonized for several day s about what to ado

with this situations I lvas not involved in a lot of conversations with him about it. He lvas gone a couple of days during this

interval because the river lvas flooding on account of Ap,rnes hurricane. His house lvas near the river and so he xvas just out

of the play for a couple of days during that particular time. He avas moving his furniture up and puttin;,r up sandbafrs and

whatnot.

So he came back from that interlude and said he thought he had an idea as to how to solve this problem and that would

be to deliver these documents in two parcels—one parcel to the field office and the other

warcel to Pat.Gra~. I certainl.v concurred in that sucr,êstioll It seemed to me like a brood way of making sure that the

documents did not leak as loner as AIr. Gray held on to them.

Senator GURNEY. This lvas his suggestion to turn them over to Gray ?

AIr. EIIRI,IC1XXCAN. Yes, sir.

Senator GLJRNTE1-. fend then what happened ?

Err. EIIRLICII3IAN. Then, I said that either I would get 3tr. Grav to come over, but I think what I said to him vas WIr.

Gray lvas coming over that day for another appointment and why didn't he just brine them over vhen Pat Grav lvas there and

deliver them to him, so t~vo of tlS could say that the deliverv had been made and eve lvould pllt an end to this evidentiary

chain, so to speak.

Senator GURNEY. I understand that he did come over and he did be illfr the documents and Gray and he and yolt lvere

these. Tllen, what hal)pelled ?

Air. EITRI,IC1{3t.\N'. AVe rvere there. He said, "Pat. I would like to (rive yoltthese." Tllcsense ofitlvasthattheselvere

contents of H until safe that zvcrc politically sensitive and that sve just could not stand to have them leaked. I do not know

avhetller he had talked to Grav before Ot' Lot, because Gray seemed to understand the setting and the premise. so to speak. -

And he turned the documents over to him and John Dean then left.

Senatol GITR?s-EY. Did you sav nothing during this whole meetings

311. F,TIRLICIIAEAN. I probablv chimed in on the subject of Icaks~ rvhicll lvaS then kind of a—divas a theme that I lvas hittiller

with Air. Glay right along. And as I have testificd before. I do IlOt recall the snecific lanfrlla re that lvaS used. The sense of the

conversation between the the ee of Us, svhicll lvaS clot a lon r conversation. lvas that the purpose of Pat gTr.tV taking delivery of these

lvas to avoid the leak problem __-llich all of lls recognized that the FBI lvas having

Senator Gt'RS'ET. Shell. I seem to recall thele xvaS some testinloll! abollt, to Grav l)V someone. either Penn or von. that

these doexlmellts should never S'ee the tight of day. I)o von recall that ?

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Mr. DEAN. The only other occasion I recall anybody else looking at the files is when Mr. Dicl; Moore who vfas Special

Counsel to the President lvas instructed l)y M.. Ehrlic]lrrlall to prepare himself to deal rvith

the leaking stories on the Segretti related matters and at that time

Mr. Moore divas given those documents to look at, and svorked with

those documents as they related to Segretti, Iialmbach, and Chapin,

and Atr. Strachan.

Senator GURNEY. Didn't Mr. Chapin and alar. Strachan look at them,

too ?

Mr. DEAN-. No, sir, they did not. I never sholved them to any avitness

In fact I lvas requested, and I told the people who had been inter-

vielved that I didn't think it svas something I could show them, and I

vould generally just talk in general about it. I do recall when they

vere reinterviewed by the FBI the FBI themselves shosved them theii

ori rinal 302's.

Senator GTIRNEY. Don't you think it lvas a serious breach of faith

to shoav these 302 files to other people, a breach of faith to air. Gray,-

Ml. DE.\NT. Yes. I think it can be interpletecd that lvay.

f ~ Senator GURNEY. Let's go to the matter of the Hunt material that

| xvas turned over to Mr. Gray.

Non-, as I understand it some material novas turned over to the FBI

but certain materials x~~erc held out; is that correct ?

2g\Ir. DE.\N. That is correct.

Senator Gtrns-El-. A;Vhat avere they ?

WIr. DEAN-. Well, I tried in my statement to catalog what I can recall

that I saw amongst those documents. This vas a combined effort to

extract this material by WIr. Fieldina and myself. Sometimes when

WIr. Fielelin.> xvas Join,, through it he~~vould malse reference to some-

thing and at one point in time I decided eve ought to e.xtlact all of

these documents and put them in one place, and Sir. Fielding did that

for me and put them ill envelopes and thev lvere subse(ltlelltly stored in

m,V safe until the time they nvere turned over to AIr. Grav.

So, q cannot-

Senator GENES. I thought you testifiecl that you carried some of

these around in the trunk of your car?

'3II'. DE \N-. No, sir. that B as not, those lvere not documents. That was

the briefcase that novas found ill Mr. Ilunt's safe. That BEaS a rather

large, oh, like so.

Senator GTrRNEY. Wasn't that the material that was turned over to

Gray ?

l fir. DEAN-. No, sir, 'it divas not.

Senator GtERNEY. What svas turned ol er to Gray ?

Mr. DE.\N. Two envelopes containing sensitive political documents.

Senator GT!RSTEY. And what—that was fumed over at n meeting in

AIR: Ehrlichman's office, is that right ?

Mr. DE.\N. That is correct.

Senator GVrRN-El-. And you revere present and Afr. Gray lvas plesent.

Mr. DEAN. That is correct. You will recall I had been instructed to

"deep-six" and Slit ed documents. I had to come up in mV olvn mind with

a r)ersllasive argument for AIr. F,hrlicllman as to lvhv not to ;'cleer)-six"

and destroy clocllmellts. I decided the best lvaV to persllacle hint lvas to

tell him that thele xvaS a chanec that the men who had drilled the safe

had seen it, that the Secret Service agent who lvas present at the time

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of the drilling had seen it that AIr. FiCldillfr and Arr. I;e}irli lead been tilere and had-seell it and, of course,Atr. Fieldinq had gone tllroll,,ll all of the documents and for all those people to lee quizzed bv tile FIJI vouldresu] t ill an awful lot of l} ing.

Senator GuRsS-EY. AVas it your suggestion to turn these papery ove to Air. Gray ?

AIr. DEAN-. Yes, it lvas because I told Atr.

Senator GURNEY. Pithy did you suggest this ?

Arr. DE.\N. I told :;!Ir. Ehrlichman that if I avers ever asked I wanted to be able to testify that I turnedeverything over to the FBI an(l subsequently when that came up and the) Were trettinfer more specific \ ith

that I told

Senator GURNEY. A;Vhat Bras the conversation ill the office at the time the documents Were turned overto AIr. Gray ?

Mr. DEAN-. ARrell, it was a very brief conversation and, as I say, my encounter during that was veryshort. I had preceded Mr. Gray, as I recall the sequence, to BIr. Ehrlicllmall's office. Air. Ellrlicllnlan informedme he xvas going to meet with him and said, ' Brinsr the documents over."

I brought the documents over and laid them on a coffee table in Mr. Ehrlichman's office.

Senator G1JRNEY. Didn't you and Ehrlichman agree to set up the meeting ?

Mr. DEAN. I have the impression Err. Ehrlichman was going to meet with Sir. Gray on something else.That it xvas not specificallJon this subject.

Senator Gl,-rs?VEl-. I thought you said you suggested to Err. Ellrlicllman that you have a meeting withGray to turn the documents over to him.

Mr. DE.\N'. I suggested we turn them directlv over to Atr. Grav, and Mr. Ehrlichman, and after I turned therest of the material over and I avas still holding this I thought we ought to eSet the remainder over, called—that hal)l)ened on a Tlmls(lav or Fridav. ovel the lvee];end. I said there is a delay here—and called Ehrliehmanon AIollday and he snicl, "I am meeting With AIr. Grav this evellin~. a-hV don't you brine the documentsover then." something of that nature.

Senator GlTRN-EY. ATolv then, What transpired w}leli they were turned over ?

Mr. DE.\X. As I said, I took the documents and had a verv brief dies cussion avith'Ehrlichnian. I laid themon the coffee table in Ehrlichman's office. At-r. Gray lvas called llr} from the reception area, eame in and Mr.Ehrlichman made the initial—initially raised the matter, and said something to the effect that these are materialsfrom Arr. Hunt's safe, I believe Dean has turned over other material to the Bureau directly.

Senator GT~N-F.Y. Did vou have anv discussion with Afr. Ehllichman vhen l ou brought the documentsin and laid them on the coffee table '#

Mr. DEAN. I am sure there vvas.

Senator GURN-EY. TVI at ~vas

lVfr. DE.\X. -&bout this was the nav I could velv easilv handle the situation if I was ever asl;ecl~ if MlGrav llacl been useful and seer them.

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Senator GTU7'N'EY. Dicl vou discuss with Arr. Ehr}ichman what you

mi rht be •roln (r to tel I Sir. Brrav ?

fair. DE.\X. I xvas doing to tell him that I clicl not, think these related

to the Watergate incident, lvllich I did not.

Senator GUr¢XEY. No, I am talkin r about the papers. The purpose of

the meeting svas to turn some •ery sensitive documents over to

:AIr. Gray.

BIr. DEAN. 5 es.

Senator GltRN-EY. So you could get rid of them and Sir. Ehrlichman

could get rid of them.

Now, prior to his coming into the office, I understand that you v~ent

in and took the papers in and laid them clown. MV question is, did youhave any discussion with :hIr. Ehrlichman at that time to what vouxvere going to tell Afr. Gray when you turned the papers over—or when

he turned them over ?

Mr. DE.\X. It novas pretty svell understood what the meeting was for,

so it vfas not necessarV to have any extended discussion other than thefact that the documents xvere very politically sensitive. that as I recall,I called them political dynamite when I r.iisecl them with Gra.v, thathe should take custody of them, and that that avoul(l be the wav tohandle it as far as the White House xvas concernecl. I do not recall anv

discussion of telling A;Ir. Gray to destroy the documents.

Senator Gor5E}. You and 3Ir. Ehrlichman must have had, cer

tainly, some feeling that AIr. Gray svas not froinst to take this back to

the FBI and 7,^711t it in the files somewhere.

Atr. DEAN-. Well, he was told that they should never be leaked or be

made public somethin(rto that effect, yes.

Senator G~n25-EY. MTell, did you discuss something to that effect

before he came in the office ?

SMr. DE.\N'. AETell, Senator, if vfe click I have certainlv no recollection

of it at this time. ,Xs I recall the transaction it svas brief. I can-le overimmediately preceding the meetin or Stray avas called llp7. there lvas thisbrief con~-ersatiorl. Grav v-as l'iI'ttlalIV en route lip. Lie came ill. Thisseas explained to him. He at that point in time. as I recall. placed thedocuments in a small sort of briefease—not reallv a briefense, but oneof these thin leSal briefcases that he r)laced t7ie documents in. andseenlecl CttlitC XVilIill(t to take them. He did not has e a lot of hesitanevan(l he seemed to understand that indeed this lvas an appropriate pro-

ceclure, although an unusual one.

Senator Gl,TRA-E1-. And what xvas precisely the thint that divas said

to AIr. Gray about the documents ?

A:fr. DE.XN. Was said to him? MTell, I can recall that Ehrlichman

told him that they mere from AIr. Tlunt's safe and that thev avere veldtpolitically sensitive. I then explained to him that lVe haciturned therest of tlie material over to the afrentS. TIoavever, these were politicaldynamite and if thev ever leaked, it would just be a verV serious

problem for the President durint., the reelection year.

Senator Gt,zRA-EY. Pitas there not something about the light of da) in

that conversation?

AIr. DEAN. That is possible. I do not recall it nolv, avllat particular

language I used. I think I conveyed to the committee the—if I usedthat particular term at that time, that does not necessali]V strike nle

as one of my normal phrases.

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Senator GURN-EY. NVell, to the best of your recollection, what did yousay to Air. Gray ?

hIr. DE\N. As I say, to the best of my recollection, I cannot recall

the precise lvords, but other than the fact that the material had come

| from Hunt's safe, to the best of my knowledge, it did not relate to the

I WN'aterzrate; if it leaked, that these documents VVere political dvnamite,

I that i f they leaked or became public, it would cause great embarrass-

! ment and entreat problems.

Senator GIJRN-EY. Did you ever call lSlr. Gray about these decllmentsafter that meeting?

AIr. DEAN-. I cannot recall calling him. I recall, as I testified, I be

lieve yestclday, I had discussed this with counsel, that I had a con-sersation at some time with AIr. Gray in his office, in which he toldme that he had taken the documents to Connecticut. He said he waseither going to read them or had read them. I just cannot recall which

it Bras that he said, because it lvas n passing conversation.

Senator GURNEY. You do not recall two conversations with AIr.

Gray, either meeting with him in his office or he in your office or overthe phone, asking him what he had done with the documents?

AIR'. DE,\N. The first time—•vell, as I say, this one occlusion, as Irecall, avas in his office vhen he indicated to me that he had taken them

to Connecticut.

Senator GIJRN-EY. That was the I'eSUIt of your question asking himwhat he had done with them; is that right ?

Mr. DEALS-. iN5o; as I recall, he volunteered that, that he had taken

them to Connecticut.

Senator GURNEY. Well, what avere you disenssinog at that meetingwith him ? Splat lvas the purpose of the meeting ?

BIr. DE.\N-. I do not recall. It could have been on the leak problemsthat Eve xvere having.

Senator GIJRN-E\-. But you do recall in the meeting that he said, Ihave taken the documents to Connecticut 'I

311. DE 'OX. If ) ou gave me a sr)ecific date on what meeting you might

I)e refel l inng to

Senatol GTJRN-EY. I do not really knots myself. I am trying to find

out.

Arr. DELVE tS I say, five dates, I can generally r)ut them in the

sequence of what I lvas doing at a Riven time or what a given concernNovas. I do recall a meeting in Gray 's office that this came llp, he toldme that lle had taken them to Colinecticut. I am slot clear whether hesaid lle had read them or lvas going to read them or anything of this

nature.

Senatol GlTr\S-E1z. Did 5 ou ever ask him again on any occasion whathe load done XVitll the documents?

all . Do .\N-. Tes, I did. After I had disclosed this matter to Atr. Peter

sen, I recall that I xvnS at lullellcoll at the Justice Department. ThisNovas prol)ablv in early Janllalv. At that time, Atr. Grav came up tome, and sort of took Ille l)v the arm and said, Jolln, you; have ,(:r,ot tollan£ ti((t]lt 011 clot disclosing these documents. And I said nothing

to llim.

I said, I undelstalld, and that \5-aS—but at the time, I had beenuestiollc(l bar the l)rosecutolas. I felt I Imd to tell A[r. Petersen i)ecauseif I novas going to ego forward, that vely fact •vaS £0ill£ to come out.

(510)

]

-45. 6 RICEARD BE.N-VESISTE STATE~dESU, WOVEMBER 5, 1973, U.S. v. LIDDY, 3-4

[ P I; C C, a; D T N G S ]

TI{E L;';'ritU'x'\' C.t.'.'.': C._;aillal Action No. 18Z7-72,

United states of hr.l. . ice ve

.rsus E. I-lotxard t{unt s James W. DIcCord,

: , - : ,

Berllard7B. Earner, l.ugen.,o R. Martinez, Frank A. sturgis and

Virgilia R. C3n2ale~..

Ilk. Phili.' T~.acJ~-ara and Mr. Richard BencoTmsel for the go-;es,nrsl :.

B;r. Sidney bArl,5, ool."nsel for WIr. Hunt.

Mr. Bernasd r,. Ee.asterwa'd, counsel for Mr.' Mcsord.

Mr. Daniel L:.; waltz} ~coTensel for lslessrs. Barker, Martinez, Sturgis a: d Gonzalez.

THE COUR''': Air. Shultz -

A11t. SINUS To: Yes s Your Honor.

THE COURT: As Lo tne defendants whom you.represent,do you waive Their right to be present here today?

AIR. SIIULT7: Eres X I do, Your Honor.

THE COURT: Air. Shultz, I will hear you with reference to the motion filed by your clients-to withdraw their pleas

of gel.iltyb I will allow you one half-hour and then I.will al'low7githe Government one l.alf-llour to answer.

MR. BEN-VEN1S'I'E: Wiay I make a brief statement of

f acts ?

THE COURT: Ye s .

MR. BEN-V~.0'ISTE: Your Honor, this is in connection

with the motion made by tile defendant Hunt and it relates to

(511)

45.6 RICHARD BEN-VENISTE STATEMENT, NOVEMBER 5, 7973, U.5. v. lIDDY, 3-4

e~*tid.. {e which has recently come into our possession from Jonn !

Ws Sza.^ III. As you known Your Honor, Mr. Dean pleaded guilty

{.n 3cto1Jea l9th before this Court and following that time we

Shad OC.W-.S_'J.~, to interview him from time to time but the

l dove D.70,0:.es -. s corer t'le last few weeks inhibited us to some I

,. e. tee?.. from doing that as thoroughly as we would like. Hozferer,

1: Lass F.îdao5 while we: Caere in Court, members of our staff

!iineel->iex,e.l Dory Dean find Questioned him with respect to the

!! contents of. t51.-. juntas sate. This was the first occasion on

Which me~.'owrs of the Special Prosecution Force had the

Iopporttinit-.- to question him about this matter. Mr. Dean related

that at soz~.c tame ill late January. 1973, he discovered a file

folder in his office containing the President's estate I)lan,

taco clotil-bound notebooks with cardboard covers and lined pages

,contaillinCo some handwriting. Dean at that time recalled that

these had come from Howard Hunt's safe. Dean did not look at. I

the contents and Cannot recallvwhat relight have been in them. I

He assumed it related to the Ellsberg break-in. He'shredded

both note~sool;s in his shredder.

At the same time he also discovered a pOp-Up address .

book containing some names with each page X-d ou,t in ink. Dean

threw this pop-up notebook into the waste basket at the time.

; f

These are Pacts, of course, which defense counsel should knows

about. l~:c are apprising the Court of them at this time for

that purpose. It is out belief that this does not alter our

(512)

46. On June 30, 1972 the President met with H. R. Haldeman and John Mitchell. A portion of their discussion related to the

Watergate break-in.

46.1 Tape recording of a portion of a meeting among the President, H. R. Haldeman and JohnMitchell on June 30, 1972 and House Judiciary Committee transcriptthereof..............................

(513)

Page

. . .514

46.1 TRANSCRIPT OF JUDE 30, 1972 MEETING (EXCERPTS)

TRANSCRIPT PREPARED BY THE IMPEACHMENT INQUIRYSTAFF FOR THE HOUSE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE OFEXCERPTS FROM A RECORDING OF A MEETING AMONG

THE PRESIDENT AND H. R. HALDEMAN AND JOHNMITCHELL ON JUNE 30, 1972

HALDEMAN: Well, there maybe is another facet. The longer you wait

the more risk each hour brings. You run the risk of

more stuff, valid or invalid, surfacing on the Watergate

caper -- type of thing --

MITCHELL: You couldn't possibly do it if you got into a --

HALDEMAN: -- the potential problem and then you are stuck --

PRESIDENT: Yes, that's the other thing, if something does come out,

but we won't -- we hope nothing will. It may not. But

there is always the risk.

HALDEMAN: As of now there is no problem there. As, as of any moment

in the future there is at least a potential problem.

PRESIDENT: Well, I'd cut the loss fast. I'd cut it fast. If we're

going to do it I'd cut if fast. That's my view, generally

speaking. And I wouldn't -- and I don't think, though,

as a matter of fact, I don't think the story, if we, if

you put it in human terms -- I think the story is, you're

positive rather than negative, because as I said as I was

preparing to answer for this press conference, I just wrote

(514)

46.1 TRANSCRIpT OF JUNE 30. 1972 MEETING (EXCERPTS)

- it out, as I usually do, one way -- terribly sensitive

[unintelligible]. A hell of a lot of people will like

that answer. They would. And it'd make anybody else

who asked any other question on it look like a selfish

son-of-a-bitch, which I thoroughly intended them to

look like.

* * *

MITCHELL: [Unintelligible] Westchester Country Club with all the

sympathy in the world.

PRESIDENT: That's great. That's great.

MITCHELL: [unintelligible] don't let --

HALDEMN: You taking this route -- people won ' t expect you to --

be a surprise.

PRESIDENT: No -- if it's a surprise. Otherwise, you're right. It

will be tied right to Watergate. [Unintelligible]tighten

if you wait too long, till it simmers down.

HALDEMAN: You can't if other stuff develops on Watergate. The

problem is, it's always potentially the same thing.

PRESIDENT: Well if it does, don't just hard-line.

HALDEMAN: Unintelligible] That's right. In other words, it'd

be hard to hard-line Mitchell's departure under --

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(515)

46.1 TRANSCRIPT OF JUNE 30, 7972 MEETING (EXCERPTS)

PRESIDENT: That's right. You can't do it. I just want it to be

handled in a way Martha's not hurt.

MITCHELL: Yeah, okay.

(516)

47. On July 2, 1972 Fred Fielding, staff assistant to John Dean,

flew to England, where Kathleen Chenow was vacationing, to bring Chenow

back to Washington. On or about July 3, 1972 Chenow discussed her

forthcoming FBI interview with Fielding and Plumbers Unit member David

Young. Dean and Fielding were present when the FBI interviewed Chenow.

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Page

Dean testimony, 3 SSC........................941 518

(517)

47.1 JOHN DEAN TESTIMONY, JOVE 25s 1973, 3 SSC 941

941

r

Lformed the general pattern that was followed with other members of the White House staff, that is I

vould discuss with the person before the interview what I throught the agents would be interested and

then discuss that person's area of knowledge. I had reviewed this procedure vith Ehrlichmant who fully

concurred in the procedure. On several occasions, BIr. Field m g of my office also participated in

preparing witnesses for their intervie as with the FBI. Contrary to some accounts that I sat in on some

14 to IS interviews at the White House, the only interxiews I recall sitting in on were Chapin's, Miss

Chenow's, Colson's, Ehrlichman's, Atiss Joan Hall's, Strachan's, Timmons', and Young's. Also I was

present when Fielding, llehrli, and I had a discussion with the CE3BI about the handling of the -

materials m Hunt's safe.

The only FBI interview that differed from the normal pattern svaS the interview of AIiS5 Chenow. It

was in late June that bliss Chenow's fonner roommate notified David Young and I believe also Bud

Erogh that the FBI had been to see her and requested to know where AIiss Chenow was. The former

roommate had said that the agents had asked about a telephone listed in Miss Chenow's name. The

roommate had informed the FBI that AIiss Chenow was in London on vacation. David Young came to

see Fielding and I and said that this girl could not know anything about the Watergate, but could

cause the White House problems by inadvertently answering questions about the plumbers' operation.

where she had been employed, and that the telephone had obecn listed in her name in connection with

the plumbers' operation. Atr. Young vas very concerned about Miss sChenow being caught off guard

by an FBI agent. Accordingly, I notified Gray that we svould male arrangements to have bliss Chenow

available to the agents in Washington within a few days.

I discussed the problem, that Chenow could cause the White House problems, with Ehrlichman and

suggested that someone bring her back from London for the interview and explain to her that she

should not get into Hunt's and Liddy's activities while at the Al7hite House. Ehrlichman fully nereed

and I called Fielding from Ehrlichman's office and told him he should be on the next plane to London

to get the ,airl. The two first-class roundtrip tickets avere paid for by the White House. There were two

sets because bliss Chenow was provided transportation back to London. I informed lvehrli, rho would

not authorize such a trip on my word alone, that I had cleared this with Ehrliehm~. I do not know if

Ivehrli himself checked vith Ehrlichman or Haldeman. I believe it was on Julv a that Fielding left for

London and returned with Aliss Chenow~the next day. He did have some problem because the address

that had been given him vvas incorrect. Fielding and Younlr briefed AtisS Chenow when she cams

bacli before her interview, and Fielding and I were present when the FBI interviewed her.

I will now turn to my first meetings with Sir. Gra!,-, belrillnin,eJ on page 66 regarding the investigation.

Nore.—Indented matter represents portions of Ztr. Dean's prepared statement which avere omitted or summarized In his presentation

(518)

48. On July 5, 1972 at 5:54 p.m. Acting FBI Director Gray phoned

Deputy CIA Director Walters and stated that, unless the CIA provided

by the following morning a written rather than the verbal request to

refrain from interviewing Manuel Ogarrio and Kenneth Dahlberg, the

FBI would go forward with those interviews. At 10:05 a.m. on July 6,

1972 Walters met with Gray and furnished Gray a memorandum indicating

that the CIA had no interest in Ogarrio or Dahlberg. Gray then ordered

that Ogarrio and Dahlberg be interviewed. At 10:51 a.m. Gray called

Clark MacGregor, Campaign Director of CRP, who was with the President

at San Clemente, California. Gray has testified that he asked MacGregor

to tell the President that Gray and Walters were uneasy and concerned

about the confusion during the past two weeks in determining whether

the CIA had any interest in people whom the FBI wished to interview

in connection with the Watergate investigation. Gray also has testified

that he asked MacGregor to tell the President that Gray felt that people

on the White House staff were careless and indifferent in their use of

the CIA and FBI, that this activity was injurious to the CIA and the

FBI, and that these White House staff people were wounding the President.

MacGregor has denied both receiving this call and the substance of it as

related by Gray, but has testified to receiving a call from Gray on

another subject the previous evening or possibly that morning. (By

letter of July 25, 1973 to Archibald Cox, J. Fred Buzhardt stated that

the President's logs do not show any conversations or meetings between

the President and Clark MacGregor on July 6, 1972. The President's

log for that date shows meetings between the President and MacGregor

(519)

from 10:40 a.m. to 12:12 p.m., Pacific time.) At 11:28 a.m. the President telephoned Gray. Gray told the President that he and Walters

felt that people on the President's staff were trying to mortally wound the President by using the CIA and the FBI. The President

responded by inst No cting Gray to continue to press ahead with the investigation.

Page

_ _ _, ...... 5 2 1

48.2 L. Patrick Gray testimony, 9....................SSC 3457-58 522

48.3 L . Patrick Gray log, July 6, 1972, 1-2 (received

from SSC) 524


48.5 Vernon Walters memorandum for record, July 6, 1972,

SSC

48.1 L . Patrick Gray log, July 5, 1972 (received from

ssc) e

48.6 Memorandum from Vernon Walters to Acting Directorof the FBI, July 6, 1972, SSC Exhibit No. 142,9 ssc 3850-52 ....................................................................................................................................................530

48.7 Clark MacGregor testimony, 12 SSC 4914-19 533

48.8 Letter from Archibald Cox to J. Fred Buzhardt, July 10, 1973 and letter from J. Fred Buzhardt to ArchibaldCox, July 25, 1973 (received from Watergate Special Prosecution Force)........................

48.9 President Nixon daily diary, July 6, 1972, 1-3 (received

from White House) 544


48.11 President Nixon statement, May 22, 1973, 9 Presi-dential Documents 693, 696 549

48.12 L. Patrick Gray testimony, Watergate Grand Jury, July 19, 1973, 101-03 (received fromWatergate Grand Jury).............

(520)

b • •539

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of 12 a r PDTPTrZ APE Y ~w.C .

AUGUST 3) 19 73, 9 S,SC 3457-5B

the conflicts to date in CIA interest or not, and the compartmentaliza-

tion alleged to exist in CIA.

Mr. Dean called at 2:40 p.m. and I merely told him that I was in a

meeting and that I would return his call.

In th-is meeting I stated that I was not going to hold off any longer

on this phase of our investigation at the request of anyone unless Ireceived from CIA a written request not to interview Mr. Ogarrio

and AIr. Dahlberg.

I returned Mr. Dean's call at 3:59 p.m., and he called me again at

4:14 p.m. I believe it quite likely that in one of these phone calls I toldMr. Dean that the FBI avas going to interview O(Jarrio and Dahlberg

unless we had a writinffl from the CIA requesting that Eve not do so.

On Wednesday, July 5, at 5:54 p.m.. I telephoned General lYalters.

Mv contemporaneous notes of this call read as follows:

•- }4-2 weds :.i.) p.

TCT General Walters.

(Dick Walters)

1. I nvill need a request in wfiting rather than the verbal request to refrain

from interviewing Ogarrio and Dahlberg because of CIA interest.

2. Position of developing investigation indicates there is CIA involvement in

that some of these men have been used by CIA in part and there is indicationsome are currently being used; there is the dollar chain either CIA or political;I do not want to uncover and surface a CIA national security operation in pur-suing these leads, but I must for the record have in writing from CIX a request

to refrain on the basis of national security matters or I must proeeed.

3. EIe stated that he would respond not later than 10 a.m., tomorrow

4. I said that I vould order the interviews if I did not have the writings

by 10 a.m.

At the bottom of this telephone memorandum I have vritten "gave

above info to JAVDn OFF, CLUB, from 6 p to 6:10 p.," and thow men

are Atessrs. Deans Felt, and Bates.

At this point I would like to comment on General MTalters' memo

randum of this phone call vhich I believe is in evidence before this '

committee.

AVith respect to General Walters' statement that I told him that

"the pressures" on me "to continue the investigation svas great," I amquite certain that I did not so expless myself. It is entirely possible,however, that on the limited question of the alleged impact of theinvestigation on CI,&/national securitv matters, the only topic Gen-eral Walters and I vere discussing, I may have expressed the thoughtthat the leads to Messrs. Barrio and Dahlberg lvere clear and thattheir interviews were a necessity which only the clearest expression ofnational security interest should prevent and that the FBI, for thesake of its olvn integrity, would refrain from conducting the inter-

vielvs only if Eve received such a written request from the CIA.

XVith respect to General B'altels' statement that "he [Gray] had

talked to John Dean," while I have no specific recollection of tellingGeneral Walters that I had talked to John Dean, it is entirely likelythat I did tell General Walters that I had informed Sir. Dean thatthe FBI avas doing to interview Messrs. Ogarrio and Dahlberg unless

ve had a lvritin,~ from the CIA requesting that we not do so.

(522)

48.2 L. PATRICK GR4Y TES17IMOXY. AllAlJ.XT S 7.g7.S .R .q.qN .X4S7_SS

3458

On Thursday, July t3, 197a, I met with General Walters in my office.

I remember that he delivered to me the writing that I requested and Iremember that it indicated the CIA had no interest in Ofrarrio orDahlberg. After reading the document, I concluded that there lvas noreason for us to not interview ~Atessrs. Ogarrio and Dahlberg. CohenGeneral Walters departed my office at about 10 .2a a.m. or 10:30 a.m.,

I ordered the inter views of Ogarrio and Dahlberg immediately.

Cry recollection of the conversation with General Walters at this

meeting diSers with his in several respects.

ZIv principal recollection is his preoccupation with the fact that he

vas ınable to Rifle me a writing stating that there lvas a OI X interest

in Ogarrio and Dahlberg and his telling me that he would resign if hewere asked or directed to give me such a writing He reported this

thought to me several times during our conversation.

I rectal that General Walters indicated a feeling of irritation and

resentment at the extent to which White House aides had involvedthemsel res in the question of CIA interest but I do not recall his drivingme any details and I have absolutely no recollection of his disclosingto me that he had been instructed to bring a false report to me. I asked

for no details.

I, too, was concerned and disturbed at the contradictory reports I

had been receiving from Director Helms, Sir. Dean, and General Val-tels vvitll respect Lto CIA interest and at the abrupt cancellation byWIr. Ehrlicllman of the meeting I had scheduled with Director Helmsand General Walters on June 28. I undoubtedly so expressed mvself

to General Walters.

My recollection is that he and I then engaged in a general discussion

of the credibility and position of our respective institutions in oursociety and of the need to insure that this avaS maintained. Toward theend of the conversation, I recall most vividly that General Waltersleaned back in the red overstuffed leather chair in which he avas sitting,put his hands behind his head and said that he had come into an inher-ltance and was not concerned about his pension, and was not going to

let "these kids" kick him around any more.

AVe stood up together as he prepared to leave. I cannot recall which

one of us suggested that eve ought to call the President. to tell him ofthis confusion and uncertainty that had been encountered in determin-ing CIA interest or no CIA interest. I believe it avas General Walterswho suggested it first., because I can firmly recall saying to him. "Dick,you should call the Presidenk, you know him better than I." I believehe said, "No, I think vou should because these are I)elsons that FBIwishes to interview." ate did not settle on who, if anyone, would malee

such a call and General Walters left.

At this point I would like to comment on some aspects of General

Walters' memorandum of our meeting of July 6.

(a) With respect to General Walters' assertion in paragraph 1 that

"in all honesty I—AValters~ould not tell him to cease future investi-gations on the grounds that i;t svould compromise the security interestsof the ITnited states. Even less so could I write him a letter to this

etbet."

We did not at any time discuss a curtailment of the entire investign

tion. In our telephone conversation on July 5 I had asked him specifi-callJ about WIessrs. Ogarrio and Dahlberg and had said to him that in

(523)

(525)

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48.4 VERNON WETERS TESTIMONY. AUGUST 3, 1973, 9 SSC 3413-14

General WALTERS. I think so, but I would just like to state Agency

involvement could not be hidden because the Cubans could not besustained. I should have corrected WIr. Dean at this point and saidthis was not what I was meaning. I was advancing a theory but I

did not correct him.

l!Ir. DASH. You have read your memorandum and I have an exact

copy of the memorandum here. I would like to show it to )'Otl—datedJune 29 covering your meeting with ZIr. Dean on June Demand ask

vou to look at it and indicate if this is a copy.

General WALTERS. Yes, it is.

AIr. DASH. tIr. Chairman, may I have this memorandum marked

as an exhibit and received in evidence ?

Senator ERVIN It Trill be appropriately numbered as an exhibit

and received in evidence as such.

[-The document referred to was marked exhibit No. '1.32.*]

fir. DASH. Did you receive, General Walters, z call from Arr. Bray

on Only 5 ?

General WALTERS. Yes.

Err. DASH. 1972 ?

General WALTERS. Yes, Mr. Dash, I did. At B :50 in the evening.

Ok. DASH. Could you tell us briefly what that call avas aboutq

General FALTERS. I believe that Mr. Gray said to me at this point

that the pressures were mounting to continue the investigation andthat unless he received a vritten letter from fir. Helms or from meto the effect that the further pursuit of this investigation in Mexicowould uncover CIA assets or activities he B ould have to (to ahead withthe investigation. I did not wish to discuss this with WIr. Gray over thetelephone. I told him I would come down and see him the first thincr thenext morning. This was at the end of the business day. It lvas at 5 :50

in the evening.

AIr. DASH. Did you go don n the next morning and see him ?

General MTALTERS. Yes, I did.

Mr. DASH. Would you briefly tell the committee what the nature of

your conversation was vith AIr. Gray at that time ?

General OVALS RS. I told fir. Gray right at the outset that I could

not tell him and even less could I give him a letter saying that the pur-suit of the FBI's investigation xvould in any avaa jeopardize cryactivities in ItIexico. I told him I had to be quite frank with him. I re-eounted the meeting with AIr. Haldeman, Err. T:hrlichman. I told himthat I had seen AIr. Dean on three occasions, that I had told Sir. Graywhat Mr. Dean had told me. Mr. Gray seemed quite disturbed by thisand we both agreed that ave could not allow our agencies to be used in

a Say that would be detrimental to their integrity.

since I am discussing what someone else said I would like to refer

here to mV memorandum. Now this memorandum, unlike the others was

written, I believe, on the same day that I saw BIr. Gray

Atr. DASEI. Yes, would you refer to your memorandum and red

what ton avant from it?

CTenelal +\t,tL~.RS. I think basically this was it.^ I said I could not

give him a letter to this effects I could not tell him this and I could notrive him a letter to the eifcot that further investigation would com-promise. assets of the CI.t. He said he understood thin He himself hadtol(l ~,hlliell!llall and Haldeman that he could slot possibly suppresstile in~-esti,gatioll in the matter; even within the FBI there were leaks.

•See p. :RS19.

(526)

its A TeRNDU MMr,TPR.X ~r¢~TRNY. AUGUST 3 1973, 9 SSC 3413-14

He had called in the components of his field office and chewed themout for these leaks. I said the only basis on which he and I could dealwas absolute frankness and I wished to recount my involvement inthe case. I told him of a meeting at the NVhite House with Mr. Helms.I did not mention Haldeman or Ehrlichman's name. I told him thatI had been directed to tell him that the investigation of this casefurther in Mexico could compromise some CIA activities. Subse-quently, I had seen Mr. Dean, the White House counsel, and toldhim that whatever the current unpleasant implications of the Water-gate were that to implicate the Agency would not serve the President,would enormously increase the risk to the President. I had a longassociation with the President, and was desirous as anyone of protect-ing him. I did not believe that a letter from the Agency asking theFECI to lay off this investigation on the spurious grounds that it would

uncover covert operations would serve the President.

Such a letter in the current atmosphere of Washington wouldbecome known and could be frankly electorally mortal. I said quitefrankly I would write such a letter only on direction from the Presi-dent and only after explaining to him how dangerous I thought hisaction would be to him, and if I were really pushed on this matterI would be prepared to resign. Sir. Gray thanked me for my frankness.He said he could not suppress this investigation within the FBI. Hehad told Mr. Eleindienst this, he had told AIr. Ehrlichman and Sir.Haldeman that he would prefer to resign, but that his resignationwould raise many questions. It would be detrimental to the President'sinterest. He did not see why he or I should jeopardize the integrityof our organization to protect some middle-level White House figurewho had acted imprudently. He was prepared to let this go to Ehrlich-mann to Haldeman, or to Mitchell. He felt it was important that thePresident should be protected from his would-be protectors. He hadexplained to Dean as well as to Haldeman and Ehrlichman; he had

explained this.

Finally, I said that if I were directed to write a letter to him sayingthe future investigation of this case would jeopardize the security ofthe United States in covert operations of the Agency I would ask tosee the President and explain to him the disservice I thought thiswould do to his interest. The potential danger to the President of sucha course far outweighed any protective aspects i t might have for otherfigures in the White House and I avas quite prepared to resign on thisissue. Mr. Gray said this was a very awkward matter for this to comeup at the outset of our tenure, he looked forward to good relations,between our two agencies thanked me for my frankness and that

was it.

Mr. DASH. I would like to show you a copy we have of your memorandum of July 6, covering your meeting on July G and ask you if this

appears to be a correct copy.

General WALTERS. Yes; it does.Mr. DASH. Sir. Chairman, may we leave this exhibit marked and

received in evidence.

Senator ERVIN. This memorandum was previollslv marked as exhibit No. 97* and is already part of the record.

•See Book 7, p, 2913.

(527)

48.5 VERNON WALTERS MEMORANDUM, JULY 6, 1972, SSC EX1irIBIT NO. 97,

7 SSC 2913-14-

2913

EXHIBIT No. 97

MEMORANDUM FOR RECORD

6 July 197Z

At 1005 on 6 JU1Y I •aw Acting FBI Director L. Patrick Gray at lde office.. We were alone during our conversation. I handed him the

Mewrorandaun Which is attached and •,id that it covered the entire relationship between the Watergate suspects and the Agency. In all honed I could not tell

him to cease future investigations on the grounds that it would comprtlrnise the security interests of the U.S. Even le-a so could I write him a letter to this

effect. He said that he falls understood this. He himself had told Ehrlichman and Haldem~ that he could not posaib}~ suppress the investigation of this

matter. Even within the FBI there were leaks. He had called in the competent of his Field Office in Washington and "chewed them out" on this cam because

information had leaked into the press concerning the Watergate Case which only they had.

I said that the only basis on which he and I could deal mu' ab olute frankness and I wished to recount my involvement in this case. I •aid that I had been

called to the White Hou e with Director Helms add had seen two senior •taff assistants. (I specifically did not name Haldem~ and Ehrlichman. ) I said that we had been

told that if this case were investigated further, it would lead,to some awkward places, and I had been directed (the implication being that the President had directed this

although it was not specifically stated) to go to Acting Director Gray and tell him that if this investigation were pursued further, it could uncover some ongoing

covert operations of the Agency. I had done this. Subsequently, I had seen Mr. Dean, the White House Counsel, and told him that whatever the Current unpleasant

implications of the Watergate Case arere~that to implicate the Agency would not serve the President but would enormously increase the risk to the President. I had a

long association with the President and was as desirous as anyone of protecting him. I did not believe that a lever from the Agency aslqing the FBI to lay off this

investigation on the spurious grounds that it would uncover covert operations would serve the President. Such a letter in the current atmosphere of Washington

would become known prior to election day and what was not a minor wound could become z mortal wound. I said quite frankly that I would write •uch a letter ' ~

only on direction from the President and only after explaining to him how dangerous I thought •uch an action would be to him and that, if I were really pushed on

this m tter, I old be prepared to resign.

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• Gray thanked me for my frankness and said that this opened the

Way for fruitful cooperation between us. He would be frank with me

too. He could not •uppresc this investigation within the FBI. Hehad told ECleindienst thin He had told Ehrlichman and Halteman

that he would prefer to resign, but his resignation would raise sninyquestions that would be detrimental to the President's interests. He

did not see thy he or I •hould jeopardize the integrity of our

org~i~ons to protect some middle-level White House figure who

had acted irnprudently. He was prepared to let this go to Ehrlichman,to Haldefnan, or to Mitchell for that matter. H. felt it important

that tne President •h~ld be protected frond his would-be protectors.

He had explained this to Dean as well as to Haldeman and Ehrlichman.

EIe said he was anxious not to talk to Mitchell because he was afraidthat at his confirmation hearings he would be asked whether he had

tat to Mitchell about the Watergate Case and he wished to be in aposition to reply negatively. He said he would like to talk to the

President about it but he feared that, request from him to •ee thePresident would be misinterpreted by the media. I •aid that if I were,

directed to write a letter to him saying that future investigation ofthis Case would jeopardize the security of the U.S. and covert opera-

tion~ of the Agency, I would ask to see the President and explain to

him ,the disservice I thought this would do to hi. interests. The

potential danger to the President of such a course far outweighedany protective aspects it might have for other figures ire the White

House and I was quite prepared to resign myself on this issue.

Gray said he understood this fully and hoped I would stick to rug guns.

I assured him I would.

Gray then said that though this was an awkward question, our

mutual frankness had created a basis for a new and happy relation-

•hip between our two Agencies. I said the Memorandum I had given

him described in detail the exact measure of Agency involvement or

non-involvement in this case, including information on Dahlberg and

Daguerre .

He thanked me again for my frankness and confidence andrepeated that he did not believe that he could •it on this matter and

that the facts would come out eventually. He walked me to the door.

Ve rnon A. Walters


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EXHIBIT lso. 142

6 Jttly 1972

OSEMO U NDU,I FOR: The Acting DirectorFcderal 13urcau of Investigation

SUBJECT : Information Provided thc Federal Bureau '

of Investigation Rcgarding the }fatergateIncident

1. A5 a result of our conversation of 5 July, I would

like to suinmarizc the inforrtation •:hich has bcen provided toyou by thc Agency in memorandulrl form (attention Mr. ArnoldParham) since thc first SCl'iCS of mer,.oranela on the subject

beginning 20 June.

2. On 20 June scparate mcmorandunls •¢erc sent to you

concernj.ng Mcssrs. Frank Antllony Sturgis, Eugenio Rolando

Mar,tine2 rarcaga, Bernard L. Barlvcr and \'irgilio C01l221es.

The papers detailcd available inforl!ation on the subJects.

IYe said th2t WIr. Frank Antholly sturgis had ne~-er been re-cruited by the Agency, that he z-as a soldier of fortune but

that he had bcen associated with an ,\gene:y contact, bIr.

F.ugen o Rolando Martinez Carcaga, sincc the early sixties.

TL;eir re]ationship l:as built on a mutual intcrest in Cubancxile activities. Mr. Martincz •as recluitedsin January 1961and has ycrfort,lcd a variety of tasks for the Agency on Cubanmatters up until Junc of this year. Sle has bcen on-a ~ilOO.OOa mon'th retainer sincc 19G9. Mr. ;~lartinez is a business

associa~te of Mr. Bernard Barl;er in a rcal estate firm in Mi2mi.

Mr. Barker was a regular contact of the Fcderal Burcas ofInvestigation in Ctlba lCIlCil turned over to the Agency in snid-1959. tlc aras used as a sourcc of informatioll isl Cuba untilcvacuated in early 1960. Ilc •:as hired by thc Agency in 1960for work among cxile gl'OUpS and ~~as terrinated by the Agencyon 31 July 1966. IN'o Agency contact has bcen maintained w-ithhilr. since that date. A titorough investigation of our filesat l!cadquartcrs and by our station in Wiial,ti has failed to-turn uy any information regarding OSr~ Gonzales' connection

with any Agency personllel or Agency-sponsored activities.

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.. 71} tno nc.lor;nnd;s on 71 Jur.e :<o inforllod you of ourrclultion-,',i;" •iith t~sc Co:natny 2nd t)uc', Corporatioa. T.tze ufiilivatwo;-t oFConp:ln) d:¢tes b.tct:; to JU:1e' 1$t~.. I'r. iclswrovide' ccrtai,l senn:i.ive covcr suntort ovcrseas for hgoncrcnplo,ecs. In ;~dditioa. ;'r. t:;sS involved ill thcfor.s,ttion Or tho Cubal; arecdo;t •c;:aittees -- 3. activitytcrllioated sevcral 8rca:,s ago. J.s of 1 ;'aV 1'!70 :~r. E;vercttollossard ilunt, oho ;,ad jtlSt rcti. cd fron. ti:e .xtency, bec3~c aIegiti~ato cs~~loyeo of :.r. '';lller:.. In Sul,~ i971 Mr. Iiuntinforlosd thc A>sncy ho had bcen a,'signed to thc lihitc i;O1150Staff lsut continued to devote part of .his tivac .o thi3C0;3;}3ny. 1he

CoMx7 a1l\\.

Corporrtticn is 2 client of tho ...,. is provising cert;nin cover stlrtrtort to tlfO AP,OAC't assetsovcrsDas. O~tcr tac years sixtecn ot'ficials of h3s:e b:cMt clcared on ccrt3in a_pects of our intercsts. -.;l_y ilavl: no; bceninfor;:acd aer our USe o£ thc (Dor;oilny. Also on Z1 Ju3c, i;L rcsponse to a torlxal request o-^ 20 Qunc, •<c in'.5ori^.cd you .,:atia c;-.eck of our rocords disclosed no rcco.d of ~\Jeibsy ;nvolvc;:ent sfith the \ssociation of ,;~ttion31 ,Xdvo.;iscrs or tho words '* ".

$'i. Tt n scparatc rlc:norantun owl 21 Jo-e: vc ndvisez you th.lt ratrevic t of clle dslties anl assign:nents of 'Sr. J2i;wes;,lcCord proviet2il no irdication tl,a. he ua; involved in Cuhan .lntccrs anal ti:at he •;ts n, ot 3ssi,:nei1 .o ;;;c na~Zf o.- Fiow.io;terat£ou. ;'e statt::i, ho)~evcr, that :le ninht lsave devetlopetl l~crsonal acc,u3intances lshich aro noc recorded inoff4cial porsonnel ar.d securitt roco.ds, uc ;:lVC no info-tWatlon rc,7arding eir. .'cCore!' s activities Witl} CUIJ2 1 cxilos sincoltis rctircacnt. Ii.n in<lt'cated in the ,_rse azeoor3nd.1.tt tha; as an j\gC:lCt enployce, ,ir. lIul:t ifag invol~zeu! in operationalactivities relating to Latin .~lrlericaa councric! ansl w.t. I--r.ofn to 1;ave hat sst,e.e tir:s to ?:r. L--. t cr. sn a scp:uratcm.cr:or3aclua of 27 Jttnc areg,ardif..g 'lr. htlnt, we .nfor...cd ;tou abou: .he i.s8ja-.co o r thc nlias, Ed.sard V. 11;l13iitoa, to !.r.iiu..t oxl ..f) Sento~^her 1969. T'.}is ;tlia i tras subsequet t17 u cd :7r !'. . itua; fo. sevcral tlr'arors licentses. :.e Trovis:etlaulditional inforl;ziation on thi, subjoct in a ttlenoiandu3 o. S zul^t and al5e rc,.orted thxt tharc is no int'orn.cior in ourtilCS to tl~e cfaect th3t .*~r. tlunt uas xssued a Social Sccu.it-f (:ard or I;tstl.anco PolicZ boaring tho avu:l tdu3.~ J. orodua.~ Joseph,ll;~ il.on.

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S. I:llrth^r, n ac.;oo ndusl \J:k5 ssn; to yOU n3 27 June

recar<linc ~~crichelal \.,enc)t centact ;{i.ll an cx-c;:lalo)eo

Or ^;r. el. ncls :.cCor>';, <).1(1 '.r.

'ir, waS u-;etl bsr .iiis Ago:~c;e .as :; ,ranslator dtlrsng ti e fpcxriod JU:EC lsx3 to Jnllc 1971, I!c l:as 'ad no af£iliasion~fith the {~gency sinsc tl.a; tine oar.cr ~S.an a personalrelations;:ip wit!; n curre.at ,;~,cncy Ci.lplOyOft~ ~)IIC additio;tal

neiloralldum ~ias p.oviucc! you oa S Jul,r recar.litne n tIr.

uiro tjor!:ed rOr thc A.¢e,.cF as a Contrnct E;wrlo^<ecfro:: J:lnuary 19i~5—;nti' his .etir2l.ac:st on 9 t\US7,t15; 1971. Curt[Eice of Pcr.onncl re-erretl;!r, to ricCcrd A~-sociatosfor ewulplo~nnqnt u?on retirerrsent. Iie sucxi;.ed :8 tornal

arl,licatioa but accicied to accen. ornloym?nt else~~noro.

c.. Tn acldition .o tle above c,ited nevoranda and several

lc-.ser itc:n, of inCe3~~ltior. pro-ridel tclechonicall,~ to '!r,.\raold 1.. l~.ar.lan o' yoil. Ale.salndria office, ehc Director ofContral Intcd li,^clco intor.lied yO!I orallr on Z7 Juac rezardi3ginror;nation av.-illUlo to u5 on "r. '!..nu^l •'g.arrio D.nguerre, aMexicnn nntion31 sS11o iza, of£~ces located ii} tEc sa:le bulldinz

as tha ;:ancO Intcrnacional or iie~.ico Lity. In stiort. ;4r.

llanucl Og,arrio i)3Rucrrc tlas nor ;ad arnf o2eraticnal contacts

•:ith thi, An.cncy, •>n 28 Juno ,'.c Director of Central

Intclligeaco 31.0 info.nce you orall, rea3rdinz cur incornatio?

conccrninr A:r. r:cnncth il3rrr Da::lUerg. T.so las. Tccorded

contact of tho .~sency with :~r. Dahlberg sfas ln hat 1901.

7. t7ur 15fficc of Sccuritjo XD in frecelterkt conenoc withflo...lscrs of your sLaxf i:\ conucction tith the investigationsyou nro conducting. tihc a'oove ir.for-.ation is for your us~

only and should not bv GisscoinarcA outsido yobr Burc3u.

Yenlon A.'h'altors

Licutc;wan; (;cncral U.S.^.Actinz Ditecxor

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~1*. I,IEBENGOOD. III retrospect, ~votlld it be your political opinion

that a coverur) lvas a prerequisite to the reelection of the President?III other words, do you feel now that the President's candidacy couldhaze withstood an early disclosure by, perhaps, Mr. Magruder, AIr.

Dean, or Mr. Mitchell?

Sir. MACGREGOR. Had there been, in the week following the appre

hension of the burglars a disclosure of the facts that have been broughtout by this committee, it would, in my opinion, have been temporarilvbtlt severely damaging to the President's reelection campaign Insteadof a 17- to 25-point margin over Senator McGovern in mid-July. myguess is that that martial would have shrunk to perhaps five points.It is my opinion that by the time of the elections in light of other eventsthat transpired, we would have been no worse off, votexvise, than xva

vere.

But the important thing is that the President's hopes and dreams

that he outlined to me in his office late on the afternoon of Tune 30that he hoped to accomplish in his second term, as the country lookedforward to its 200th annivel<?arV, would not have been so severely

damaged as they have been nonv.

Wit. LIEBEN-GOOD. Thank you. AID. MacGregor. I have no further

questions.

Senator ERVIN. Senator Weicker.

Senator A;VEICKER. Mr. MacGregor let us get into the subject of the

Pat Gray phone call of July 6. I wonder if you would give to this

committee your version of that particular event.

Mr. MACGREGOR. To my best recollection, the call lvas made early

in the morning of July 6 at XVnshinrton; xvas received by me at theATelvporter Inn at Newport Beacll, Calif., shortly before 11 p.m.,California time, July 5. I have been asked, could I be mistalien inmy recollection that the call came in just before my wife and Iretired and could it have been shortly after xve evoke up the nextmorning? I suppose it is possible that my recollection is incorrect.But it is my recollection, Senator, that the call did come to me inthe motel room or suite that my xvife and I xvere occupying at the

Newporter Inn just before eve retired on the evening of July a.

- In any event, the call that Mr. Gray made to me lvas no different

from the calls that I had been receiving at the rate of 50 or 60 or ~0a day during the preceding 5 days from people whom I linesv, oventhose xvhorrt I knew slightly, who xvere kind enough to call and save"Congratulations," and oSer opinions and malie~ recommelldatiolis

about the campaign.

My recollection is that Mr. Gray did, very graciously, compliment

ne on my being appointed director and that he indicated to methat he xvas concerned about the impact on the campaign of the

Watergate matter.

I told him I shared his concern. It is my recollection that he said

it is a serious matter? and I said, "As a lawyer, Pat. I recoanize thatit is a serious matter. Breal;in^? and entering is a felony and felonies

are indeed serious matters."

He said, as I recall, that it xvill damage the President in the

campaign.

I said, "Yes, it Evilly

Then he said, "It Evils damage him more seriously than you realize."

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And it is my recollection that at that time, I indicated to him:

"Yes; I knoxv It avid damage hilt. It damat,e(l him ill the first pressconference I held earlier today in Washiltgtoll," before my lvife andI flerv to southern California at the Presidellt's request. But I said tohim: ';Pat, I avid be back in my home in Washington toluolrolv eve-nint,, because my xvife and I are coming back on the nonstaff after-noon flisht from Tjos .-&ngeles to l)ulles; eve trill be at home tomorrow

evening; I Ovid be in my office on Friday mornin,_."

It is my recollection, Senator, that he spoke exclusively pertaining

to Watergate, as to the caml)aign, and the extent to xvhicll it wouldhurt the campaign. It is not IllV recollection that he talked ill anysense about "wound.'' If he had used the word ground" to me, itseems to nle that that xvord would stick in my mind and I wouldask him to explain it

He did not, to my recollection, mention the CIAO to me. He did

not mention the FIJI. He did clot mention General lZralters, DickHelms, John Ehrlichman, John I)ean, or-Bob Haldeman. He did indi-cate great concern. There lvas agitation in his voice. He repeatedhimself. And that is the substance of my recollection. I franklyexpected to hear more from him when Eve returned to Washington

the next night. lVe did not do so.

Senator WEICKER. Did he ask you to convey his thoughts to thePresident ?

Mr. MACGREGOR. No; not according to my recollection. In any

event, I did not do so. There divas nothing about the content of hiscall to me; there avas nothing unusual at all, except for the hour.It was similar to a great many other calls that I lvas.receiving frompeople in Government, - from Governors, Senatols. Congressmen,national committeemen. eommitteexvomen. and state chairmen. Hemay have had some complaints about •Vhite House aides. There wouldnot have been anything unusual about that. In my position as eotm-selor to the Presldent for cont ressional relations, I got daily com-plaints about Wllite House aides. And he mav have made some

complaints to me about White House aides of a general nature.

But he did not request me to call the President—did not lYquest

me to spend to the President. I did not call the President: I did notspeak to the President about this. I Suess m) testimonV is About that.

Senator WEICKER. That is what I would like to bet into. Let Us

assunle for the minute that youl recollection is correct; that it xvasvery late on the evenillfr of tlie ath when you received the call. AVould) ou normally expect the Director of the FBI to call up the Republicancampaign director in the lvee hours of the morning—or the late

evening ?

Fir. MACGREGOR. No.

Senator LVEICI;ER. Would that clot raise a question in vour mind

as to lvhy such a call eame through then? Let us assume the time

factor that you set forth.

AI,. ttACGRF.G,OR. It did. But I expected when I next heard from

hind I ovoid learn more about that.

Senator 0vEICI;ER. Did vou have anv other communication at all

with Pat (bra) dul in{r the course of the campaism in this sense of the

vord, aside fronl the Normal occurrences of meeting ?

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Mr. AIACGRF,COR. No, Senator; I had no further conversations or

contacts with Sir. Gray.Senator wEXCKER. No\\', I wonder if you would comment 011 the

report issued by the House >trmecd Services Committee on October;'3 of this year. I am referring to pate,e 21. In the committee l'i;pO'l't,it states that Mr. Shrlichnlan's testimony indicates that t]lC Presi-dent called AID. Gray at the "strong Ul'8illt,2 of 311. MacGregor be( auscof AIr. Gray's concern over the FBI role in the Watergate inz-estita-tion, and after the call the President had a "linterinct doubt" thatthere Divas some CI.-t "exposure," despite assurances to the contraltoYet, in his May 2q, 1973, public Watergate statement, the Presiclellt

said, and I noxv quote the President's WIay 29 statement:

On July 6, 1972, I telephoned the Acting Director of the FBI, L. Patrick Gray,

to congratulate him on the successful handling of a hi-jacliing of a Pncific South-xvest Airlines plane the previous day. During the conversation, AIr. Gmy dis-

cussed nith me the progress of the Watergate investigation.

The committee report then continues:

AIr. Ehrliehman's testimony in that regard is pertinent.

I am now quoting from that testimony:

Mr. NEDZI. But the eall was prompted by AlacGregoWs request?

Mr. E}IRLIC}I1\[AX. By MacGregor's conveying a request from Gray to the

President.

hIr. 1!;EDZI. Or a call?

Mr. E}IBLICH}XAN. Yes.

Mr. NEDZI. Are you acquainted with the President's statement v~-hich he made

on May 22 ?

Mr. EHRLIC~^fAD{. I have read it, yes.

Mr. NEDZ[. Does his account square completely with your account of that

conversation ?

Air. EHBLIC~z[AN'. I do not believe it does.

Air. NEDZI. I did not think it did. I vas just wondering whether you recognized

that fact.

B:lr. ERRLIClIMA2f. I do. I think the drafter of that statement did not have

the advantage I had of my verbatim notes of the conversations—I say verbatim—I take substantially verbatim notes of my conversations vwith the President.

Nrolv, in light of what is ZIr. Gray's recollection in his testimonybefore this committee of having called you and having given sub-stantially the same facts which—albeit there might be ~vorcls leftout, but certainly the import of his message—in light of his testi-mony before this committee and in light of lSIr. Ehrlichman's testi-mony before the House Armed Services Committee, are you absolutelvcertain that you in no Vise revere in contract either with the Presidentor possibly the President's staff' relative to this particular matter?

Mr. AtACG~COR. Yes. And may I say, Senator, that as a lawyerlistening to your reading of the trallSCript of hearings before a con-gressional committee I am impressed once again with the •visclomand the importance of the ban on hearsay evidence, because one is. orwould be ill a court of lavv, at the merev of someone who said, ;;~Taclctold me that Bill said this" or ;;.Jacli told me that Harry did this."Once attain, we undetstallel the wisdom of OUIJA sytsem of justice invhieh ave ban hearsav testimonv as eredil)le eviclenec.

bright I say also, because I think it is impoltant, Arr. Chairmannncl the members of this comlnittee, I have been advised that the

records of this committee Sl10\V that thele was 110 telet)holle call frontClark Alae(;let,ol to Plesiclellt 5-iXOII 011 the mornill,A, of July 6, 194 {.

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I am ftlrtllel advised and I believe you didn't pro into this questionwith ,3I1'. Butterfield, that those records of incoming calls to the Presi-

clent and outOroinfr calls flom the I'residellt are rigidly accurate.

I think it would be of interest to this committee to know that 3

xvee];S afro todays the President of the Ignited States said, <'Clark,

Voll did slot mention the Pat Gray matter to me on July 6."

Senatol WEt('liER. A\rell, what lvas the nature of that conversa

tion? Alzhy would this come across in a conversation between you

an(l the President?

Air. 3tACGREt.oR. I was, along with others, attending a Presidential

conference on export trade expansion at the Polite House 011 Octo-ber 11. Tllat program lvas l)ut to rether primarily by Secretary ofCommerce Fred Dent. wvith the assistance of Secretary of the TreasuryGeorfre Schultz, and othel officials of the Government. The Presi-dent concluded that all-afternooll conference, which lvas dedicatedto rvays in which the Government awl business could promote tradeand thus produce more jobs. The President concluded the confer-ence and then he held a receiving line. He asked people to <to through

the receiving line.

I did; and avhile groins, throu rh the receiving line, he told me that

T have just testified to.

Senator AVEICKER. You mean in froing through a receiving line.—the

President of the Ignited states turns to you while you are goingthrough a receiving line and says "Clark, I didn't tall; to you on July

6." Is that the nature of the conversation?

3Ir. 3tAfGREGoR. Apparently someone had broucrllt to his atten

tiOII—not I—but someone had brought to his attention t.he'~Ehrlich-man assertions or the Grav assertions. I don't knolv what led to this,Senator. Bitt the President assured me that mv recollection Divas cor-

rect and squared with his.

Senatot +\TEICKER. AVell. holv 10nOr was this conversation with the

President ?

Mr. 31.\t'GRE&oR. AlThat conversation with the President?

Senator +\TEICKER. The conversation with the President in the receiv

infr line. AWrhat xvas the date of that. afrain ?

AID. 31.toGREGoR. Between 101- 2 minutes on October 11. 3 lveeks ago

today in the late afternoon~overed bV the pless. I don't think thepress ovel heard the President tall;ing to me. but if -Ott are questioningmv ~-eracitv. Senator-

Senatol 55TEICI;ER. ATo, I am not sluestiolling it at all. I am truing to

get the facts. 3tr. 3IacGrecror.

Mr. 3T;\CGRF.GoR. I am grivincr you the facts, Senator.

Senatol gTEICI;ER. I appreciate that and avant you to pro ahead and

continue to answer the question.

()11 Oetober 11. some 2 or ,3 montlls. I guess. after the testimonv fir,iven '

befole this committee bV Air. Grav. the Presidents on his initiative,

melelv made the statement to vou that he dill not call vou on Jnlv 6.

3fr. 3tA('GRtl't',OR. I am not firing to what led the President to Intro

dllce tllat. subject and I don't think it lvoultl be helpful for me to

speelllate as to lvhv he Lid.

Senatol 5+tEl(5X;ER. T nlldelstall(l that. .t11 1 am trving to do is (ret

the wrist of this 1- or <)-nlillllte eontelsation. lvhiell T think both of usvill agree is not heal say evidellee. as X on have complained about to this

(536)

CLARK MacGREGOR TESTIONY, NOEEER 1, 1973, 12 SSC 4914-19

4918

comnlittee alrea(lv—s\e rvill Fet l)acl; to tll.tt—lVI,,.tt tllc *_ist of tllatcon~~elsatioll rvas stllel ~V]lO raisecl the subject ?

M, . M.sc (>JI7wE(wOI{e Do volt lrislt me to repeat lvllat I saicl ?*enatol 5\tElC'lvEI:. I iVOltlCi.

31ls 3't.\CGREGOR. I call't bc ally Illole explicit.

KSellatol 5\rXI(-JvER. To sav. "I did IlOt talk to VOII on .J~wlv 6"—thatis 1leithet a convelsatioll 1101' iS it of 2 mimttes; duration. lVas tllere

.Invthillfr fulthet ill tllat cons-elsatioll?

Mr. M.\C(SI{EG.OI~. Oh. yes; the Presiclent asliecl about IllV llcalth andabottt Illy \E if e ancl clliklreTl. I clicl tile same to hiln. I told hinl I tholtglltit hacl beell an excellent confercllee; that his Cabinet officets ancl sub-Cabinet oflieers an(l .tmbassaclor Eberle hacl dolle .111 excellent job.and there lvas ,,ive ancl take.

Senator 5+rEIClvER. But that lvas the onlv mention made eitller blryou or by him as to the eonversation of ,JttlV 6. just the simple state-inent. by the President. "I clid not talls to vou on ,Julv 6."

Ml. MACGREGORs. I am sule I respotl(lecl that I had been advise(l bvthe legal staff that the Presidexltial telephone recorcls eonfilmecl hisrecollectioll ancl mine. I think that lvas mv response.

May I say, Senator. I have never callecl the Presiclellt of the l:7nited

States after 10:30 at night or before 6:30 in the mornin~. The natureof m.y lvorli for the President is coullselot to the Presiclent for con-aressional relations. The nattllc of mv job from July 3 onrvard throttChthe election lvas that there lvas no emergellcy that ever justifiecl mv

calling the President at an tlmosual hour.

Senatol ~'EICTvER. Al'ell, of coulse, tlwat is IlOt exactly so, AIr. 3taCGreeror. Can you remember lvhen yowl tallied to the. PresTdent on,JIme c)9, just prior to accepting the job of headincr ttp the (:'ommittee

To Re-Elect the President?Mr. M.\CGREGOR. He ealled me. AlV statement was I have never

called the Presidellt after 10:.30 at night.

Senator +\rF.IC'lvER. Aplat time clicl vou talk to him on ,June °9 ?AII%. At\CGREGOR. It avaS avithin a matter of a half holll after the

conclusion of his tclevision remarlis that ni~~ht. I t.hink it ~vas ilit thenei rhborhood of 11 p.m. He telephoned me.

Senator WE1C'TtER. Altell, that is another sul)ject for later on.Nonv, in Mr. ()7raw s testimonV, jllSt SO xve can verv earefullv define

Voltl definitioll of ahealsay," are V°ll inclicatillS to Ille. thell. that thetestimonv before thiS committee bV Pat C8Trav lelative to his conver-

sation lvith .vou is hearsay ?WIr. M.\CSR}.C.OR. N0; qltite obvioltslv~ Senator, I am referlillb to

,John Ehrlicllman's testimony befole tlie House committee, as I indi-cated.

Senator 5vEICRER. If the testimonv is as I have indicated to wou andas appears in the recorcl of the Hotise heal ings, would vou say, then,that 3Ir. Ehrlichmall perjllred himself ?

3II'. M.\CC1RF.COR. It is llOt for Ille to pass jud<~lllent on anV crimillal

conduct. You and I botll linorv tllat tllere is a ptesumptioll of innocenceuntil proof of guilt ancl thete is a potlloplv of plocedures that must talie

place before someone—Illayl!e the judcye

Senatol 50rEICKER. 5pI.it yotl are S; Vitl~. thell, is tllat the testimonv~,iven by Ml. F,hrlichman at those House hearint,s does not squale

~vith your testimolly.

(537)

48. 7 ClARK MxGRECR TESTIMONY FOUEER 1, 1973. 12 SSC 4914-19

3Ir. AI.vcGr~S.C.ol~. XYo: it is 111X' experience as a trial lawyer for about

8 years that jtldt,cs custolllalil) rive to jurists ctn instruction thatgoes along the lines of the following: steadies and rentlemen of thejury, don't assume that every difl'erence in testimony means that some-

body is Iyingr.

PeoI le haz-e cliiTelellt recollections. People see and remember differ

ent things. The assumption that a discrepancy in testimony auto-maticallv means that sormebodv is Iyin r is an assumption, thank crood-ness, ~VIliCIl is not at all consistent with our administration of justice

in America.

Senator \\tEICI;ER. I understand that but all I am sayino is that the

testimony that I have read to you states • ery simply that Atr. Ehrlich-man StlyS that, you conveyed a request from Gray to the President and

VOID say you did not.

Is that, corrects

War. AI.\CGREGOR. It appears to be correet.,.-tgrain, I can't comment

on WIr. Ellrlichmall's testimony. I don't think it rvould be helpful tothis committee if I did. I am allS+Verill(> the questions that voU put tome and I am telling this committee uncler oath—and I take this veryseriously, Senator—I did not speak to President Nixon l)y telephone or

in person about the Pat Gray telephone call to me.

Senatol WEICKER. Did THOU meet Title the President on the morning

of July 6 ?

Mr. 3'1ACGRECOR. Yes.

Senator LVEIC I{ERW llltat time did you meet With the President ?

Mr. ZI VCGRF-GORA The first meetings—there lvas a challvre in schedule.

III fact, there xvere consiclelal)le telephone calls late on the night of,tIIIy 5 nn(l so 011 into the mornillfr of July 6 about the ehallE,re of sched-nle. But the fil'St meeting lvith tlie Presicient tools l)lace sometime after

10 a.m. on ,Tuly 6 ill his office ill San (:>lemente.

Senator 5\'EIC'RER. And a-hat lvas the natule of that meetincr?

Mr. 31\C(TRERTOR~ It lvas a discussion illVOIVill(r primarilv the Plesi

dent, ,Tohll F,hllichmanz AIr. Al'illiam Timmons. and mvself. It lvasan assessment of the status of the Presiclellt's legislative laro~lam atthe end of the fiseal yeah lV}liCIl rvaS a few dads before, and of theprospects for passage of the reminder of the unneted-ul)oll legislationbefore the acljolll nmellt of the 9'd (8onfi,rresS. Tile meeting xvas a legis-lative mcetin r and the President and Afr. F,hl liclllllall lvere concernedwith the status of domestic lefrislati~-e items and the attenclallee of AIr.Timmons and 311. ;\tacGrefror lvaS occasioned bV our roles AS assistantsto the Presiclellt in the coiloressional relations field. Mre event down,

item be item, the major pieces of legislation.

Senator 5\rEIC'IvER. Of course, are you alvare from the testimonr given

to the eolllmittee that shortlv after Pat Gray's conversation With Thou

he received a call from the Presiclent ?

WIT. At.veGrEs.or. Dies: I think there is substantial agreement from

Air. (bran and from tllC President to the efleet that the President, tele-~)holled arl . (>.raV at about 8 :).; 01~ thereabouts, Pacifie time, on .Tulv fi.and that he eonfrl atulated the FBI 011 the job that it had done the clavbefore in frustrating the attenuated slid jacking of a commercial air-

eraft.

Thele also seems to We agreement between the PresiAellt's statement

nn(l ATr. (M.ray's testimony befole this committee that Fir. Gray then

(538)

48. 8 ARCH1;RALD COX LETTER, JULY 10, 1973

Pluly 10, 1973

J . Fxed ou3;^~dt, ES .

Ccun5el to tna :?reti~eât:

Tha t.rhise tfotl3e

;vas}lkngton, 9,C.

D9~ aNtO Bush~dt;

I ~ .vrit:ing Fo ~;ce tha followi;lg .aquiast3, in aaa~u;>= bthstse we ha5ss proviou31y madev 21 Uha 4s~us ra~e~_ed tg

are ~or~~t b our i ;lv25tigad0n.

1. Cosies oS or exc2rptt t~m l wq, Marie3, or s;bilarrecor3;3 o; se}e;?none cc>:E~zor3aicav and =eetings befeen ~za

P r e 3 i d e n F a z d C:L ~ k 'Ia ct;r e g o r o n o u l y 5 ~ d 6 t 5 9 7 7 .

2. CooL-5s of tpoli;Scal rza4t~ts ~emotanda~ nt=£er3 l ~Qugh2s, 53eclusive, vr~ Gorvon S=~achar. to I~aewronca H4g5,! and/orII.R. lla5dema;x, pronffla}zly :~ow l~>ca-~~ =n t~ 52r, r03. --N'~baliove t:nese memo-amda itan tn ear'y sprq Ag 1972 ~s w~^

through tho olaction, ~o~er 197>-.

3. A coRy D£ ~t3rial s ın 49DN Dot3 Z S wu14 3_ew ~eous mo~l—

ligenceu Pile, taNcon dsrw;w b t:~9e uerosiXorfP ior ?r::atsDcUon

on ,1a57 X, 1973, I.- thl s ~s 13 4 A ts~ ~l~inovs X i con—

rentently conio<l, we could s~~rA by ex~Sng ta2 it:L2 :h

your office&.

4 . A c o o y o f t h e 1 w 3 o r o =9 e r ~ 6 c o r d t S. ~ ~ ~ g t£ h a ; ~ e c i s S C

i t e n s , t r ~ a n y o £ t h e t i l e s s a -~ g u a r d e d n u r s u a 3 t X o ~ n e p r o—ce2ur~~ you oucli~~si t;o ua; aW our zune 5 ;:ea_ttgr k.avx3 Doinco;viad A3y e.e fomer t.sxh;; e Eou3e e~aa m.a~~^ who wFre ~~r—niSted ltitad as:coss xor the pu.G>ose ox raa.~g £auch COpith3t

000978

(539)

48 . 8 ARCHIBAlD COX lETTER, JUlY 10, 1973

F_ prod Buz;auvd;, Esq.

5, Copies ok ~=cerzxs of 311~ records of it&tas ini;vrt2db Onto

any China abuse file by It. Dhxl ic:E-.~ or rum. Long on or atop

•\;?rx 1 3o, 1973.

Sir.ceraly,

ARCHIVED COX

Special Ptcsecu~or

000973

(540)

48. 8 J. FRED BUZHARDT LETTER JULY 25, 1973- - s

', ' -! - '.;.' '-. i T f :-. ' ' .- _

s S H e c ~ - t o ; R — r :

? ' 4\:'-. 1 '., '-

lh-s is in response to items 1, 4, and 5 in ~-our letter of Jul-y loch. I

zrn responding in a separate letter to items 2 and 3 in that lettter.

Item 1 of the Jelly 10th letter encloses excerpts from loOs of telephone

sneer ngs between tar President and Clarl. AtacCregor

on July ,th and 6th, 197Z. lYe have searched the logs and they do not

sho~.v any conversation or m2etinas on those dates.

Tress. X requests z cops of records showing ->Xthat specific items froln the

safeguarded files have been copied by cornier •' hite House staff m.xelnbers

;ho were permitted access to those files. As I advised you in my letter

of June 1st, the procedures in effect since Amity 23rd do not permit theformer stafI A. embers to Copy material fro or. t-ese files. They ~rrere

permitted to nlake copies prior to May 23rd. In that earlier period

see had instructed that a record be pep. cot xi-l-.e4.~ner a person visiting

the files used tile Xerox machine bllt Be ho. d not instructed that any

record be nlade of what items Bere cop'ed. Although the guards on

tneir onion initiative did keep some record of -his kind, and we are

enclosing the two pages of that record, eve are not in a position to

xs-zrrant its completeness, and indeed c,cuot teat it is complete.

Item 5 requests copies cRr excerpts of items inserted into any White House

file b5r Mr. Ehrlichrnan or Mr. Young on or after April 30th. We have no

records teat would shover what items, if ants were inserted. The procedures

in effect since Alay 23rd ensure against any insertion into the files in

question, alt'nough additional records, appropriately identified have been

placed under the same access limitations and special security. Prior

to that date, insertion into the files seas neither prohibited nor permitted

ooo992

(541)

48 . 8 J. FRED BUZHAR1RT LETTER, JUnY 25, 1973


—2—

by the instructions then in effect and we cannot say whether any insertions

were made in that period.

Sincerely,

J. FRED BUZHARDTSpecial Counsel to the President

Honorable Archibald CoxSpecial ProsecutorWatergate Special Prosecution Force

1425-K street, N.W.

Washington, D.C. 20005

Enclosure


(542)

48.8 J. FRED BUZZARDS LETTER, JULY 25v 1973

- -

:}* J I'd i-,yix x v tuk em ^ for Aid~J

a. FRED BUZH^RDT

Special Counsel to tile President

Honorable Archibald CoxSpecial Prosecutor

•'ratergate Special Prosec

1X25 - K street, N. tar.

R;'as]zinaton, D. C. 2C005

Enclo sure

ution Force

(543)

000993

48.9 PRESIDENT NIXON DAIlE DIARY, J%Y 6, l9Z?, 1 - 3

.... _ - . _ . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \ . _ l [ 2 I \ L E . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . 1 t . U 1 . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . U S S l L A V l t t l t t

| ~i';!E El:STEl'N ls'HlTE HOUSE

, ';.9.!; C' Et'E'<TE, CEIF0PU!IA.

DA1E {Mo., D.,. Y..)

a 0 1~ 8 JULY 6, 19 72

8:20 a . m. IXVRSD\Y- -

AClIVtrY

The President had breakfast.

The President motored by golf cart from the San Cle:.ente

Compound residence to his office.

The President talked long distance with Acting Director of

w 9 he He

The President talked with his Press Secretary, Ronald L,

. Ziegler.

The President met with:

John D. Ehrlichman, Assistant

Alexander P. Butterfield, Deputy Assistant

The President met with his Personal secretary, Rose Mary lSoods.


Henry A. Kissinger, Assistant

- sir Robert Thompson, author

Maj. Gen. Alexander M. Haig, Jr., Deputy Assistant

The.President met with Mr. Butterfield.In


Mr. Ehrlichman

EIr. KissingerH. R. Ealdeman, Assistant

Clark MacCregor, Campaign Director for the Committeefor the Reelection of the PresidentFrederic V. Malek, Assistant Campaign Director for

the Committee for the Reelection of the PresidentWilliam E. Timmons, Assistant

Mr. Ziegler


Mr. MacCregor

Mrs. Clark MacCregor

Ollie P. Atkins, White House Photographer

The Presidential party went to the lawn behind the Presitentrs

of f ice .

The Presidential party held a photo opportunity.

The President returned to his office with Mr. and firs.

MacCregor .

The President met with tIr. and Mrs. tGacCregor.

&X&~ i ~v,>ki A,T'CI ~ i,/,s'/71

(544)

i

,#8.9 PESIDEXv MTZOg DATrY DTARY, JUT.Y 6, 1972, 1-S

(ace 1',.s.1 Rs...:J {.., 1',.Xc1 Art...->)

ThE l''LS-l'ES:N l!E'] TE HOUSE

SAIL Ci..:l:!'NTE, C~il.IFORNIA

i DAI E (Alo . n,y, Y. ) I

I JULY 6, 1972 1

I n ado 1 59 1 2 : 1 3 p .G5. TllUlSDtY .

l - - lACTIVITY

The President et zenith

llr, Butterfield

Miss Woods

The President met faith:

Miss Woods

Mr.. ButterfieldMiss Woods

Miss Woods


Mr. Haldeman

fir. Ehrlich~mn

Hr. Ziegler

Miss Woods

The President talked with the First Lady.

The President motored by golf cart from his office to the San

Clemente Compound residence.

The President motored from the San Clemente Compound residence

to Red Beach with his valet, Elanolo Sanchez.

The President talked with Err. Ehrlichman.

The President motored from Red Beach to the San Clemente

Compound residence with llr. Sanchez.

The President and the First Lady went to the pool area.

The President returned to the San Clemente Compound residence.

The President telephoned Mr. Haldeman. The call was not

completed.

The President talked •7ith Miss l!oods.

The President tallied long distance with his Special Counsel,

Charles 1!. Colson, in Washington, D.C.

The President and the First Lady rent to the oceanside patio. I

The President returned to the San Clerrente Compound residence. !

The President tallied long distance with Secretary of Defense !Melvin IS. T.aird in Washington, D.C. i

The President tClC$pIlOttC;] I-lr. I;iss:inger. The call Was not !col3pletce1. t

- l

(545)

timid l'I:STE'On I'fII'1'E IIOUSI'

r '.'.'' (.'I.!':,I:::TE, CASKET ORE'T'.^v

q8,9 PRESIDENT NIXON DAILY DIARY, J%Y 6, 1972, 1-3

l o , . q . . . . 1 1 1 , . . . 1 f . I ' . - . . 1 A r c . . : . < \

In- Nt)n

The President and the First Lady had dinner.

- f - x ~

I),Nlt (!.lo, D.l. Yr.l

_JU7.Y ~ 1972_ _

l 0 0 0 i v a 7 ' 1 5 p . m . T. it E S? t. -_

The President tall;ed •ith ':r. HaldeusIan.

CD/FII'/CI)

(546)

48 .10 JOHN EHEICEMN TESTIMONY, JUDY 27, 1973, 7 SSC 2783-84

2783

It looks like sir should"—r don't want to say anything incorrect

there.

I should do this soon—

I will get a clean copy—

and I said I would try to do it today.

Upon leaving the white EIouse I discussed the matter briefly with the Director.

On returning to the office I called Gray, indicated that this was a matter of some

urgency, and he agreed to see me at 1430 that day.

:N ow that was General Walters.

Sir. Helms stated to this committee during an interview as follows:

A few minutes later Elaldeman and Ehrlichman walked in and Haldeman in no

uncertam terms instructed Walters to see Pat Gray of the FBI and mstruethila not to pursue his investigation in Mexico concerning Gerry 3L Dalhbergsınee it might involve the ClA. Helms had no idea what they were talking aboutwith respeet to Mexieo and va-hen he asked he was told, "Never mind v-hat it's ad

about." But they v.-anted Walters to go to Pat Gray right then and there.

End of Suote in the interview with Mr. Helms.

I!w-ow, isn t it a fact that the meeting with Director Hekns and

General Walters on June 23 was an effort to hinder the investigation ?

WIr. ElfRLICH)tAN. Senator, that meeting vas convened at the Presi

dent's request. I learned later that the President nvas operating on thebasis of an independent source of investigation and out of a concernthat an all-out FBI investigation might compromise some CIX

activity.

My recollection of that meeting is at considerable variance with

General Walters in the general thrust and in the details. In point offact, as I recall it we informed lWr. Helms and General Walters thatthe meeting vvas being held at the President's request for the reasons

I stated.

Mr. Haldeman said that the Watergate was an obvious important

political issue and that the President had no alternative but to order afull all-out FBI investigation until he was satisfied that there wassome specific area from which the FBI should not probe for fear ofleaks through the FBI of disassociated and disconnected CIA activi-ties that had no bearing on Watergate. As I recall there lvere a coupleof basic questions that were asked of these gentlemen. One eras whetherthe CI.~ leas directly involved in the break-in itself and they said it

was not.

The other vas whether or not there was any disassociated CIA

activity, past or present, which might be disclosed through a vigorousFBI investigation. They did not make the same kind of a categoricalresponse to that question as they had made to the other. Ks a matterof fact, mV recollection is that a response to the effect that they don'tkeep track, that is the Director and the Deputy Director, of these re-gional activities, such as the one in Mexico, they would avant to check

with the regional man.

Noav you have in your

Senator 0vEXC~R. Thev had done that a

Atr. EHRUCHANI.-\N-. Airs

Senator WEICKER. They had done that ?

WIr. EI-IRLICM5f£W. I think their letter of July 6 to the Acting Direc

tot of the FBI shows that they had clot done that and they did not do

(547)

48.10 JOilV EHRLICHlU41VZESTI~XY. JOY 27. 1973. 7 SSC 2783-84

I

that and they did not assure the FBI until June 27 as to the Mexican situation. Then they confirmed thatoral'assulallce of June 27 in writin,, on July 6 and on July 6 is when Director Go ay called the President andsaid zI now have a memo from the CI ~ aiuring me that there is no problem," and the President said "Let's goall out." So that is the sequence of events.

Senator WEICKER. REV did the Director call the President?

Air. ET{RLICHMAN,-. Because he received—I assume because he had this memorandum.

Senator WEICKT~CRW Oh no, oh no. Why did the Director call the President 2

iWr. ETaRrTcHMANF In point of fact I think the'President called the Director.

Senator WEICKER That is correct. The Director had called Mr. AIacGrepir.

Mr. EEIRLICH)fAN,-. That is true.

- Senaı;or WEICEERJ And he had expressed to Mr. MacGregor doubts

as to this situation. He felt this was the best way to go ahead and getin touch with the President, and the President called him back shortlythereafter.

Sir. EHRLICHMAN. I wasn't at the meeting between Mr. Gray and AIr. MacGregor so I don't know whatthey said but, I do know what the President told me.

Senator DEICER. But you do know-

Alr. EHRLICHMAN. That Air. WIacGre.gor told him when he came and called on the President on July 6that he had been talking to Pat Gray and Pat Gray felt it was important that he talk to the President right awayand the President picked up the phone immediately and called him.

Senator '5VEIC19ER. And did Pat Gray tell the President that there svere forces of those around him whowere trying to wound him?

~ AIr. EHRLICHMAN. I had never heard that.

Senator WEICKER. Is it not a fact that GenetsI Walters and Pat Gray both felt it was necessary to call thePresident on this matter, that both of them had the same apprehensions that the investigation was beinginterfered with?

Mr. EHRLICHDfAN. I think it was important for Pat Gray to have talked with the President, too. I heartily

concurred with that. aI hope you understand that when Mr. Haldeman and I met with the Built, it was for the

purpose only of conveving to those gentlemen the President's concern and the meeting did not culminate in

any instructions to anyone except a request to General Walters that he sit down and talk to Pat Gray about

this matter, and reassure Pat Gray, if he could be factually reassured.

Now, that, in fact is what happened, and ZIr. Haldeman and rI disconllected from this after that one 20-minute meeting.

Senator WElCKER. All right, let's drop back in time again here to the meeting on June 23. You are sittinghere with the Director of the CITE and with General Walten. Would it not be logical to address ally request ofthe CIA to the Director of the CIAe

Afr. ElIRTjICTfZrAN. Not if you were told bay the President that he wanted to work through GeneralWalters.

(548)

' 48.11 PRESDBT NIXON SZATE~T, MY 22, 1973,

9 PRE5127E7WTIAL DOCVMCIVTS 693, 696

PRESIDEN1IAL DOCUtÊNTS:

-

litlnzi,Z, ssh~s iN nms all a~~l>(-ialtz jndgc of thc U,Fi. (:fsult

of Cl.zillls.

Atr. Sampinll h;ls l~con A(ting A(illlillistr.ltor .,r C;( ll

cl-al Scrxices shlec Junc 9, 19/9. Hc johxc(l.th(; (;en( ~-al

Seniccs Adlllillistl;lti(>n ill l')fi9 as Conlnlissioncr of thc

Fcderal Supply Scn icc. Fnlnl 19/0 to I J79 hc ssas Cnnl-

mir;sioncr of the Public Buildings Scrx icc ill GSA and thc

first Dcputy Admillistrator of GSA for 6pcciol1 Proj(cts.

Hc camc to thc Gcncral Scrvice* Administration afccr

6 years in PcnnRylvania Statc ,go~-cnsment, zsherc he zsas

secrctary of admillistration an(l bu(lget sccrctary ullder

Gov. Raymond P. Shafcr, and deputy secrctan for prn-

curemcnt, dcpartmcnt of property and supplics, under

Gos-. lt'illiam SV. Scranton. Prior to cntcring govcrnmcnt

scrx ice, hc svas cmplo!-cd by lhe Gcncral Electric Co. for

19 !cars.

NIr. Sampson • -ac born on October a, 1996, in Xfarrt n,

R.l. Hc reccixed his B.S. dc,erec in huxinc.ss adminis-

tration from the t'niversity of Rhode Island in 19.;1 and

has done gradtlatc szol-k at thc Gcorgc lVachington

Uniz crsitv.

Actisc in sczeral profcssirlnal rrgani7ations, LIr. Satllp

son zvas prcsented thc SyncrU 111 Assard for outstanding

contributionc tmsald thc alv;lllcclllcnt of architceturc h!

thc Socictz of American Rcgistcred Architccts in 1o~".

In 19/3 I;c ~vas sclertcd as onc (,r thc Top Tcn Pul)lic

lVorl;s Aten of thc Ycar, and hc z^-as nanlccl ;m honorary

mcmbcr of thc Amcrican Institutc okXrchitccts.

He and his \\ if(, Blancllc. havc four childrcn and rcsiclc

ill \ \'a <l li llgtoll , n . c:.

XOTE: For th(s Pr( sidenlas stalemenl (llwn alln-~llncing his intention

to nominatc Slr. Slrnpir~o, see the prl cedillg item.

rThc \\!atcr~~,atc Ins-t~sti,g-ation

l Statc~R11tltSbyt1crt^SifffRtt. I\fny92, 1973

Rccent nczz-s arcollnts grmsing Ollt nf testimon! in thc

ltatcrgatc im-cstigations havc gisSlall groscly mislcadillg

imprcisionc of nl;lny of thc fal-t~. as thc! rclatc both t0 Illy

mvll rolc ant to c~ rtahl ullrclatc<l aetis-itics im-oh-ing 111-

tional .cocurity.

Alrcady. on thc hasis of secontl- and thir(l-hand hcarsa!

tvstimolly hy pervons eitht r C(~ln if tctl or tht mscl~-cs ulo(lcr

inicstigatinll ill thc {aCcX I havt [gsmlll m!-sclf iIC'IIS('(t •~r

hnoh-cnlcnt ill JICtiX'iti('C I nczer h(.,,(l Of Ulltil I l(;ld

ab(vllt th. ,.. ill nc;s i .Iccollnt>.

1 llC>C illlpl't'sSiOIIS < ntlld ;618t+ 1, tId t() :t serious Illisllll(lt r

standilng Of tllllil natiorl.ll st t [~ril! .tt tiE iti(y ~shi. h. thts,,-sh

telt:lll!' lllule l.lt(8'l tib \N iItl'l";(t(', }1;1X't' 1)( ( olllt tiltXlllgls (i ill

tllC ¢;LSI. 1'IICS ('$|:It:i li.lti tl) f,,,tlt,, {{}ttlpR{)X}lisC Or stTioi-

tivc t*;ltisellal9a-ulity hlfi,,-,ll.lti,,tl.

- RICHARD NIXON, 19Z3 593

I SVill not al~;mdon nly rcsponsibilitics. 1, sviSl contir.ue to do thc jol) l \X^S clected to do.

In thc acuUtnlxlrlying statement,, t h;:xc set forth thc facts .xs t luno^s thenl .es they rclatc to rny cn-n rclc.

lVith regard to thc spccific allegiltions that h~xe ien made, I can and do sta[c catcgorically:

1. 1, had no prior' kno~slcdge . of thc XVatergate opcration.

2. I took no part in, nor •vas I axvare of, any subsequent cfforts thal may hax c been made to cov-er up XVatcrgatc.

3. At no timc did I authorize any offcr of executive clemcncy hr thc XVatcrgate defendants, nor did I knosv Or any such

offcr.

4. I did not knoss, until thc timc of my osvn investigation, Or any cffort to pros-idc the lVatergatc defeudants svith funds.

5. At no time did I attempt, or did I authodze others to attcmpt, to implicate •hc Cl.-\ in the XVatcrgate mattcr.

6. It svas not until thc timc Or my os-n imestigation that I learned of thc brcal;-in at thc ofEce of SIr. Ellsbcrg's psychiatrist,

and I specifically authorized thc furnishing of this inforTnation to Judge B,Tne.

7. I ncithcr stlnhorizcd nor cncouraged suhordinates to cngagc in illcgal or improper campaign tactics.

In thc accompan!;ns statemcnt, I have sought to providc thc bacliground that may place recent aliegations in perspectixc. I

have specificallv statcd that csccutilc privilegc •vill not hc invol;cd .'LC to anv testimony conccrning poisiblc crimhlal conduct

or disc.u.csions Or possiblc criminal conduct, in thc mattcrs under investigation. I want thc public to Icam the truth ahout \

E'atergatc and thosc gttilt) Or an!- illegal actions brought t° iustice

.\llegations surrounding thc \N'atcr,,,atc .nSfair haze so escalated dlat I fccl ;t further statemcnt from the President ic

requircd at this time.

A climate of sensationalism h.ts developed in svhich even sccond- or third-hand hcarsay charges arc head!ined .53 fact

and repeatcd .xs fact.

Important national sccllrity operatiorts ~s-hich themsclves had no comlection .sith •\'atergatc har-c become cntanglcd in

the c.X<c.

As a rcsull~ SOI1;C n. tional sccuritv infemeation h.-3 alrrady bce n nL;tile pulllic throuFh o Irt orders. throtlgh tlle

sul)pocnaillg of docunlont$, and throtlgh 5cstimony \\'itllCSSCS h;lve given ilt ju(lici.tl antl Com>-Cx~.onal t ro; cteditl>;. C)tll~-r

SCllsitiE'C d~~cumcllts arc ross thrca.ered ssith >;isclosurc (Dolltilllleel SiiCllCC abotlt those operatio.3 wxallitl comprollwisc

r;lthcr than proaect thcm. md s~ovtid LIISV Scrxc to pZ'Q7ftl:.!tC iI glo~<!y d.ito.~c.i s-icsi—xslfwch n.cnt p:wni;tl tli~e-lxl~llrcs

h.tt-t gi\'Cll—O' thc nlturc arld purlle-sc .~r tb(xic o~)cr.ltiors.

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PRESIDENTIAL DOCUMENTS RtCHARO NIXON, 1973

r. zeta ', h.: . ing been rash . ad vita the change Df adm.inLs-

tratio!ls ) and which bore tlirectly on the negotiations then

in yrogrcss. Additional assignments included tracing down

other national security Ecal;s, including one that seriously

co-nlpromised the U.S. neg'otiating position in the SALT

talus.

The Dvorak of the unit tapered off around the end of

1971. The nature of its work seas such that it involved

matters that, from a national security standpoint, were

highly sensitive then and remain so today.

Tlhese intelligence activities had no connection with the

break-in of the Democratic headquarters, or the aftermath.

I considered it my responsibility to see that the Water-

gate investigation did not impinge adversely upon the na-

f.onal security area. For example, on April 18, 1973,

when I learned that Mr. Hunt, a former member of the

Special Investigations Unit at the V{hite House, was to

be questioned by the U.S. AKorney~ I directed Assistant

Attorney General Petersen to pursue every issue involving

\N'atergate but to confine his investiarttion to Watergate

and related matters and to stay out of national security

matters. Subsequently, on April r25~ 1973, Attorney Gen-

eral Kleindienst informed me that because the Govern-

ment had clear evidence that Fir. Hunt was involved in

the break-in of the office of the psychiatrist who had

treated Mr. EUsberg, he, the Attorney General, believed

that despite the fact that no evidence had been obtained

from Hunt's acts, a report should nevertheless be made to

the court trying the Ellsberg case. I concurred, and di-

rected that the information be transmitted to Judge Byrne

imrr.ediately.

WATERGATE

The burglary and bugging of the Democratic National

Committee headquarters came as a complete surprise to

me. I had no inding that any such illegal activities had

been planned by persons associated with my campaign;

if I had known, I would not have permitted it. My im-

mediate reaction was that those guilty should be brought

to justice, and, with the five burglars themselves already

in custody, I assumed that they would be.

Within a few days, however, I was advised that there

was a possibility of CIA involvement in some way.

It did seem to me possible that, because of the involve-

ment of fanner CIA personnd, and because of some of

their apparent associations, the investigation could lead

to the uncovering of covert CIA operations totally unre-

lated to the Watergate break-in.

In addition, by this time, the name of Mr. Hunt had

surfaced in connection with ',Vatergate, and I was alerted

to the fact that he had previously been a member of the

Special Investigations Unit in the XVhite House. There-

fo.e, I seas also ce.ncesrred that the Watergate investigation

might weli lead to an inquiry into the activities of the

Special Islvestignti~s I knit itself.

1!1 this area, I felt it oval hnpol-talt to avoid fl;selr.l:.x of the details of the national security makers With which the group

svas concemed. I knew that once the e.faitence of the group became known, it •vould lead ir.texonbly to a discussion of

these matters, some of Which rerr.ain, even today, highly sensitive.

I wanted justice done with regard to XV atergnte; but in the scale of national priorities vith Which I had to deal— and not

at that time having any idea of the e.xter.t of political abuse which Watergate reflected—I also had to be deeply concerned

With ensuring that neither the covert operations of the CIA nor the operatiorrs ot the Spec al Investigations Unit should be

compromised. Therefore, I instructed WIr. Haldernan and WIr. Ehrlichrnan to ensure that the investigation of the brcak-in not

Expose either an unrelated covert operation of the CIA or the aetizid~.es of the White House investigations unit—and to see

that this was personally coordinated between General Walters, the Deputy Director of the CIA, and WIr. Gray of the FBI. It

was certainly not my intent, nor my wish, that the investigation of the Watergate break-in or of related acts be impeded in any

way.

On July 6, 1972, I telephoned the Acting Director of the FBI, L. Patrick Gray, to congratulate him on his successful

handling of the hijacking of a Pacific Southwest Airlines plane the previous day. During the conversation Mr. Gray discussed

with me the progress of the •Vatergate invesdgation, and I asked him whether he had talked with General Walters. Atr. Gray

said that he had, and that General Walters had assured him that the CIA • as not involved. In the discussion, Air. Gray

suggested that the matter of Watergate might lead higher. I told him to press ahead with his investigation

It now seems that later, through whatever complex of individual motives and possible misunderstandings, there were

apparently wide-ranging efforts to limit the investigation or to conceal the possible involvement of members 'of the

Administration and the campaign corr.mittec

I was not aware of any such efforts at the time. Neither, until after I began my o en investigation, was I aware of any

fundraising for defendants convicted of the break-in at Democratic headquarters, much less authorize any such fundraising.

Nor did I authorize any offer of executive clemency for any of the defendants.

In the weeks and months that followed Watergate, I asked for, and received, repeated assurances that WIr. Dean's own

investi ration (which included reviewing files and sitting in on FBI interviews with White House personnel ) had cleared every

one then employed by the XVhite HoLlse of involvement.

In summary, then:

( I ) I had no prior !;noxvledge of the Watergate bugging operation, or of any illegal surscillance acti~-itiff for political

purposes.

(2) I.ong prior to the 1972 campaign, I did set in motion certain internal security measures, indudi-.g legal

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A FBI, CIA, both, I'd put it, as to whether or not

there was any CIA interest or non-interest in the witnesses

3FI that the FBI wanted to interview.

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41 Q In connection with what?

511 A In connection with the Watergate investigation. And

(i11that both General Walters and myself felt that this was due to

_ an indifference and a carelessness on the part of White liouse

8 staff people and a failure to appreciate the position of these

9 agencies in our society, and that we both felt that this could

[obe injurious to our agencies and could be wounding to the

t1President .

,2 Now, these are certainly not my exact words, but they|

13 are certainly close to them and they are certainly close to thee

14 thought that I intended to convey. And I said to him, "Clark,

1.; Iwould you please pass this to the President."

]li| And he said either, "I'll handle it," or, "I'll take

17 care of it." And that was the substance of that conversation.

18 Q All right, sir. Now, your logs reflect that that call

l!itook place at 10:51 a.m. Washington time, Thursday, July 6th,

sn1972.

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Your logs reflect that at 10:28 a.m., Thursday -- I'm

2',,sorry, 11:28 a.m., Thursday, July 6th, 1972, you received a

2.}Ilcall from President Nixon. Is that correct?

A That is correct, sir.

Q Do you recollect speaking to President Nixon some

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I thirty to thirty-five minutes after you spoke to Mr. MacGregor?

A I do indeed, yes, sir.

s11 Q Could you tell us the telephone conversation from the

41. President?

A Yes. The President called me and I was actually

quite surprised to receive the call.

He started off by congratulating me on the success

ful termination of the highjacking which had occurred in San

Francisco the day before. The ladies and gentlemen of the

Grand Jury may recall that an FBI Agent shot two highjackers

who were trying to highjack an airplane, and the President

asked if I would pass his congratulations to the FBI Agent.

And I told the President that I would and that I was

very, very grateful to him for calling and the Agents would be

I pleased to know that and, indeed, I placed a call later on to

the Special --

Q Before we get to that, just tell us all the conversa

19!' tion. You said you appreciated it and you'd pass it on?

A Right. And then I said, "Mr. President, there's- i

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something I want to speak to you about." And, really, I just blurted it out. That was my reaction at the time.

I said -- and I've written this down, and I've written it down because I think it's very important, and this is my ,:

best recollection. I know that precision is impossible to

,5',,obtain, but this is my best recollection, after having given it

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"11 And I said, "Dick Walters and I feel that people on

3'I your staff are trying to mortally wound you by using the CIA

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much thought and consideration -- to this call.

I and FBI and by confusing the question of CIA interest in or not in people the FBI wishes to interview."

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Then I said, "I've just talked to Clark MacGregor

|and asked him to speak to you about this." There was a per-

|ceptible pause, a noticable pause, and the President said to

|me, "Pat, you just continue to conduct your aggressive and

thorough investigation." And that was the end of the telephone

cat 1.R—

MR. NEAL: Mr. Foreman, it's 5:30. We have a few

|other areas to cover with Mr. Gray. Mr. Gray, is this the end

|of your testimony of your activities with respect to the CIA-

FB I invo lvement ?

THE WITNESS: Yes, sir, With regard to any witness

involvement, like with regard to Mr. Ogarrio and with regard to

Mr. Dahlberg.

I MR . NEAL: I unders tand there ' s later some other

Ithings, but with respect to this aspect of your activities from

'1 IJune 17th to July 6th, 1972?

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THE WITNESS: Yes, sir, that is.

MR. NEAL: And the other areas, about which we dis-

.,~~,cussed, or the other areas we've discussed with you, are now,

.,5I',in effect, of somewhat separate areas?

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49. In July 1972 Dean obtained from Gray various interview and

investigative reports of the FBI investigation of the break-in at the

DNC headquarters. Dean has testified that he showed these reports to

the attorneys for CRP and to CRP officials. Previously Dean had

asked Attorney General Kleindienst for access to FBI interview

reports and Attorney General Kleindienst had refused his request.

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49.4 Richard Kleindienst testimony, 9 SSC 3564

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49.1 L. PATRICK GRAY TESTI~N'Y, MRCH 21, 1973,

SJC~ GRAY h'OMIh'ATIOX HE'Agh'C. 620-21

memorandum over to the .>tttornevv General and at the bottom of that

you say, "In this particular case and all future cases.''

A week later vou are providing secretly a considerable amount of

material to Air. Dean who is going out of your office and bringing itback to the AVhite House. NOTSV, viLat happened during this period oftime, a week, that made you change Four mind from what vou wrote at

the bottom of your memorandums right here ?

3k. G1L-t1-. absolutely nothing happened during that n eels that matle

me chance my mincl. That memolalldunl was directed to papers anddocuments tnat we vould prepare in writing in summary form orLHAL form or that type of thing. It Tvas not directed to this tvpe of

material.

Senator ISE2;N-ED1-. You mean, AIr. Grav, that if vou write it up vou

send it through the tG, but if it is rns ou dive it directly? Is that

mv understanding ?

LIr. GIL&Y. That is my understanding

Senator IKEN-N-ED1-. Ho v can vou possiblv rationalize that? If vou

draft it, you are doing to keep the Xttornev General fully informed.But theil you provide to the AVhite Hotlse the rant material wrllich yousay is indispensable to the investigation and Wou do not even let the

Attorney General glow.

3tr. GRAY. I can say there is nothing Chat happelled, except that I

maele the decision in response to the call frown the Counsel to the

Presidents -

Senator ISEN-N-ED1-. And did vou let the -tttorlley General l-noTv ?

Atr. GRAY. No, sir, I did not tell the Xttornev General.

Senator li:EN-:s-EDY. A:Vhat Tivere the fi]es that were actuallv made

available? AVele they just vour own files or files which lvere a part of

the investigation ?

AIr. GRAY. ATo, they xvere not files. Thev at -ere FD 304's, investigative

rer)olts, and then these xvere two volumes of teletypes made availablelad on

Senator IVENTSTEDYN There svere what ?

311. GR<\Y. T5vo volumes of teletypes about, I would estimate, 3

to 4 inches tlliclc, the tVfO volumes came to that.

Senator IVENN-EDY. WBen were those

3Ir. Gr:AY. Those were later on. I received those, as I recollect. early

hugest, and those Deere delivered in October.

Senator IVE2;N-EDY. You hall, as I remember. So out of 1S6 ?

AIr. GrsY. Yes, sir, these are FD 30_'s noTV, investigative reports.

Senator IVEXXEDY. Could 5'OU review whv yoll let him have just

some of these, avhv the 8q out of 1S6 ?

AIr. GRAY. Yes; because I received a group of them on the 30th dav

of June. I received another group on the lath day of Julv, and thosetwo croups are the two packets that I delivered to Air. Dean on the

9Sth day of July.

Senator ItEXDfF.DY. Did these, the So documents that. vou provided.

relate only to the A0rhite House staS ? w

Sir. GRAY. iFo: sir, I didn't make any selection on those at all.

Senator ITEN'XEDY. •Vhy not ?

AIr. GRAY. Those svere the ones that lvere available, the 304's that I

had there in mv safe and had been sent up to me in two paebets on

June 30 and July 17.

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Senator IVEX>-EDY. If A£r. Dean was doing an inrestiaation.of the

B'hite House staff, •vhy •vouldn't you turn over just those records thatrelated to that ? f

LIr. GRAY. LIv reasoning OI1 it was his trails were going to go in

many areas. I didn't know what he avas doings I wanted him to know

vhat w-e had.

Senator IKENN'EDY. You did not know' what he was doing

3Ir. GRAY. 5'0, I didn't Runoff what he was looking for.

Senator IIENN'EDY. Wlat did he tell you ? -,

3Ir. GRAY. He told me he Divas eonciucting an inquire but he and I

did not discuss the substance of his inquire or the substance of the FBIinquiry. lVe were doing ours in our own way and he was doing his illhis olvn way. I have testified earlier that I didntivant to have anyinformation from his inquiry at all. g

Senator ISENG-EDY. I thought you indicated in earlier testimony fltat

his inquiry was in relationship to the White House staff 2

Sir. GRAY. That is right, to the involvement of White House per

sonnel.

Senator KENNEDY. AN hy should you supply :

3Ir.'GRAY. They could turn llp in otherinvestigatire reports ' :Senator KENNEDY. Why shouldn't you make sure he got all of them 't

Sir. GRAY. I gave him ail that I had at the time.

Senator EEN-NEDY. W'hy didn't you get the rest of them 7 - - -:

Sir. GRAY. Because there weren't any more available at tlutt time,

sir.

Senator SEN-NEDY. Till when? Did you trv to get the rest of them

for him ?

Sir. GR.&Y. Those lvere all that avere available. These woere delivered

to me carly on the 30th of June, I received a croup. and on the lathof July I received a group and I gave to him what I had available at

I that time.

'' _Senator IVEN-NEDY. There were a lot of people interviewed after the1, th of July ?

Ir. GRAY. That is right.

Senator IKEN-NEDY. "Did you send those to him, as Lou mall?

AIr. GRAY. A-0, as I recollect there xvas another call. and I thillIs that

it came later one much later on—ves, i.t lvas in the middle of October'where he called me and asked if he could look at some additional in-vestigative reports and teletypes, and I sent to him at that time the lastgroup of investigative reports that I had in mv safe and the two vol-

umes of the teletypes.

Senator KENNEDY. And did you, or did you not, ever feel anv kind

of responsibility to call him later and let hlm know that. You coilld Ret

other reports?

3Ir. GR.AY. •X0, I did not, as I was responding to his request.

SenatorIVEN-NEDY. And you thoughtthatyou did respond when vou

made thosefiles available?

31r. GRAY. If he wanted more, I would have expected he would have

called again and made another request.

Senator IVEN'},-EDY. In any of your conversations did vou ever talk

to him about Err. Liddy ?

AIr. GRAY. I think not, because it is my best recollection and mentors

that acre did not discuss individuals.

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tion I was bringing to their attention, that this information sras being

given to the President.

. I do not recall when actually I received the first written information

from the FBI, but I believe it was after Julv 91 xrhen I received asummary report that had been prepared on the investigation to that

stabile.

I would also like to now summarize to the bottom ok the page, and

indicate that when-

~tr. DASH. Bottom of page 72.

3Ir. DEAN. Seventy-two, correct, and indicate that after I did get

possession of the documents. the FBT files, I found them not verymeaningful and later AIr. Alardian, Err. Parkinson, 3Ir. O'Brien cameover to my oflice and read the reports, and 3Iardian, they all reachedthe same conclusion and I recall WIardian's reaction was that the docu-

- ments indicated that the investigation was too liZCorous and he was

quite critical of Grav and-asked me to call Gray to slow down but I

never made sltch a eall.

- It was after I showed a copy of the Julv °1 report to WIr.

Mitchell that Guardian insisted that he be permitted to see the FBIreports. Mitchell agreed, and thought that Paul O'Brien and Ken

Parkinson should also see them.

I recall that when WIardinn, O'Brien and Parkinson finallv

came to my office to look at the reports, they realized that theywere not very meaningful. It was Sir. guardian, however. who be-came very excited because of the scope of the investigation thatGray was conducting and the tone of the cables he was sending outof headquarters. Mardian clearly thought that Gray was beingtoo vigorous in his investigation of the case and avas quite criticalof Gray's handling of the entire matter. He demanded that I tell

i Gray to slow down, but I never did so.

Summarizing the first paragraph on page 73, I would also note that

I never showed any of these reports to any persons who avere inter-viewed by the FBI and they were onlv given to AIr. Dick Moore of theWhite House staff when he avas working on the Segretti matter for

Mr. Ehrlichman and BIr. Haldeman.

I do not recall ever finding anything in the FBI reports which

I scanned, that was worth reporting to Ehrlichman and Halde-man and so I never read all of the reports that avere sent to me.The FBI files containinlr the reports never left mV office, nor averethey shown to anyone in the Mthite House other than Dick Moorewhen Sir. Moore had been instructed to prepare a report on theSegretti incident by Ehrlichman. I never showed the reports toany of the persons who were interviewed by the FBI after their

interviews.

FIRST DEALINGS OVATE USE CIA

T will turn now to the first dealings I had with the CIA. It was dur

ine the meeting in AIitchell's oSce on June 93 or 94 that Ntardiall firstraised the proposition that the CIA could take care of this entire mat-

NOTE.—Indented matter represents portions of tar. Dennis prepared statement vhlchxvern omitted or summarized In his presentation

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rMr. DEssDf. I didn't have the impression that he was upset by it. Idon't know how often bIr. Gray and I

talked but we talked frequently. lVe had lvorlced together at the Department of Justice, and while it wasreported that he called me with some outrage, XIr. Gray and I generally didn't have that type of conversation.He said something to the effect that "It that true, you know, I can't believe you would do that,'-'' and I said 'No,it is not true and I never shovfed Segretti any FBI reports."

Senator GURNEY. Of course you worked at the Department of Justice for sometime, and I suppose youhave some familiarity with the procedures down there. Isn't it a most unusual thing for a 302 report to out of the FBI office to anyone ?

AIr. DEAN-. Well, I know this: that the White House receives on a rejt,iar basis and my office was therecipient on a regular basis, of countless FBI information. Now this deals with everythmg from backgrosimdinvestigation

Senator GURNEY. I am talking about the 302 forms that are filed with raw data.

Mr. DEAN. Yes.

Senator GURNEY. Not reports.

Mr. DEAN. I don't.recall ever receiving 302's at the White House other than on this incident. I really vfasnever terribly aware of what the policy vfas I didn't work with the criminal cases in the Department of Justicewhile I was there so I don't know if there were other occasions when 302's were sent anywhere or not. I can'tanswer the question.

Senator GtrRN-ET. F§ut I understood vou to say your understanding with Gray on these 302 files would'be that you would guard them very closely.

Mr. DEAN. That is correct.

Senator GERNtEY. Who did vou show them to ?

Mr. DEAN. Well, as I testified, after the report on the 21st came to my office, Mr. Afaldiall vvas anxious tosee them, Mr. Mitchell thought that rvas a good idea and also that AIr. O'Brien and AIr. Parkinson also came tosee them. They came to my office. I recall them scanning them. They decided there ieall,v wasn't much in therethat interested them. T'he thin(r that sticks in ~^nv mint most is that Mardian rvas, rvho was apparently veryfamiliar wraith 302 and FBI investigations from being the head of the Internal Security Division said that, vonlinorv, "Gray is just going hog wild here," because of the tone and the tenor of the interoffice from one fieldoffice or from head(luartets to field offices, that the tone of the cables that lvere being sent out of hendquarters.

Senator GURNEY. Mardian, O'Brien, Parkinson weren't even in the A5Thite House then ?

Mr. DEAN. Tllat is correct.

Senator GITRS'ET. BTIlo were thev working for ?

Mr. I)E.\5t. The reelection committee.

Senator GrRNES-. 1^)o V°ll think Afr. (bran had anV idea that people like that outside of the White Flollservere looking at these files?

Afr. nEAN-. T am sllre he had none l~ecallse T didn't tell hilly

Senator GURNEY. Did anvbodv else look at the files ?

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49. 4 RICHARD KlEISDIESST TESTIMONY, AUGUST ?, 1973, 9 SSC 3564

3564

Mr. DORSEN. During the summer of 197S, were you aware that Pat-

rick Gray was making available to John Dean FBI teletypes and

302's ?

Mr. I(LEtNDIENST. No, sir. The first time I became aware of that was

in the collfirmation hearing of AIr. Gray to be the permanent Director

of the FBI.

Mr. DORSEN. Had 3Ir. Dean spoken to you about the possibility of

the FBI supplying to the Wllite House such documents ?

Mr. IILEINDIEN'ST. Mr. Dean raised a question with both myself and

Mr. Petersen. Both of us were very quick to tell him that we did not—that we would not give him raw investigative data from E5BI files. Itold him based upon his representation to us and my belief throughoutthis matter that he was counsel to the President; lle represented himcontinually. He was dealing strictly with the President, that the Presi-dent had delegated him to more or less be responsible for an overviewof the, investigation insofar as it might relate to White House pelsoll-nel. I told AIr. Dean that since I had been in the Department of Jus-tic~I hadn't been Attorney General but a week when this fantasticsituation occurred—that it had affrays been my policy- and one thatwas shared by Attorney General Mitchell, that only under the mostrestricted circumstances should ralv FBI investigative data be givento anybody. I believe I did indicate that we wouldn't mind summariz-ing pertinent information that was relevant to his inquiry orally forhim so that he could make a report to the President. iI believe I alsoindicated that if there was a particular file that the President of theUnited States personally wanted to see, that I would be willing to takethat file personally up to the President, sit down with the President

. and let him look at it and then being it back.

Mr. DORSEN. During the summer of 197S, were you aware or made

aware of a Saturday night phone call from Mr. John Ehrlichlnan to

Henry Petersen ?

Mr. KLEINDIENST. In the summer of 1972 t

Mr. DORSEN. Summer or fall.

Mr. IILEINDIENST. I do not know if it was an evening caII. I became

aware of a call that Sir. Ehrlichman made to Mr. Petersen I believeill the middle of the day, sometime between July 7 or 8 and August 8or 9, at a time when I was at the Pocono Lake Preserve in Pennsyl-vania with my family on a vacation. I became aware of such a call at

that time.

Mr. DORSEN. How did you become aware of it ?

Mr. 1ALEINDIENST. I became aware of the call because BIr. Ehrlich

man called me. He started the conversation out, I think, by sayingeither "Dick" or "General," depending on the nature of the conversa-tion hovv lle Wollld address me. He said: "I have just talked to HenryPetersen and I am very upset about my conversation with him becauseI gave him an instruction which he refused to follow," and I think myfirst reaction which was again rather abrupt and instilntaneolls lvas."that were you doing talking to Henry Petersen in the fitst place andhis infr him illStlAlCtiOIIS of any kind ?" and he said, ';NTever mind that. Iasked llilll to llal e the FBI and IT S .\ttorneV~s Oflice not hal ilss Secre-tary Stans with respect to interrogations not to harass the Secretarv."

find I said. Johns VOtl have got to be out of your mind. llrhat did

Atr. Petersen say to 5 on ? llTell, I think he said in a polite avay he told

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50. On or about Friday July 28, 1972 a grand jury subpoena was

served on Maurice stans, Chairman of FCRP, to testify in connection

with the investigation of the break-in at the DNC headquarters about

his knowledge of the purpose for which campaign funds were spent.

The President requested that John Ehrlichman determine if stans

could testify by deposition instead of being subjected to a personal

appearance before the grand jury. John Dean called Henry Petersen,

Assistant Attorney General in charge of the Criminal Division, and

requested that stans' testimony be taken at the offices of the

Department of Justice rather than before the grand jury. Petersen

had previously agreed to this arrangement in the case of testimony

by members of the White House

risen told Dean that this

procedure could not be used for stans, and Deanreported that response

to Ehrlichman. On Saturday, July 29, 1972 Ehrlichmancalled Petersen

and requested that stans not be compelled to appearbefore the grand

Jury. Ehrlichman accused the prosecutors ofharassing stans. On

Sunday, July 30, 1972 Ehrlichman called Attorney General Kleindienst.

Ehrlichman reported that Petersen had refused to follow his instructions.

The next day Kleindienst, Petersen and Assistant United States Attorney

Earl Silbert met in Petersen's office. They agreed that Stans would

be questioned under oath at the Department of Justice and not before

the grand jury. On August 2, 1972 stans was questioned in Petersen's

conference room. According to stanS, in August the President called

Stans and told him that he appreciated the sacrifice that stans was

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making in not answering questions for the press and hoped that he could

continue to take it.

Page

50.1 Earl J. Silbert statement to the Senate Judiciary

Committee in response to "A Report to the SpecialProsecutor on certain aspects of the WatergateAffair," March 4, 1974, 27-28 (received from

Senate Judiciary Committee) 563





50.6 Robert W. Barker (counsel for Maurice stans)

statement, 2 SSC 682 572

50.7

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r50.1 EARZ; SILBERT RESPONSE FOR THE SENATE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE144RCE 4, 1974, 27-28

f—27—-

between September 7 and September 1S, 1972 the day

o n w h i c h t h e 'i n d i c t m e n t w a s r e t u r n e d , n i n e w i t n e s s e s

testified before the grand jury, including John

M i t c h e l l , .a n d , f o r t h e t h i r d t i m e , J e b M a g r u d e r .

Q. Response to Criticisms for Not RequiringMaurice stans to Testify Personally Beforethe Grand Jury and Not Calling Mr. stans

o r M i t c h e l l a s w i t n e s s a t . T r i a l , a n d N o t

P^sking Adequate Questions at Trial

2 1 . T h e M o r g a n R e p o r t c r i t i c i z e s t h e f a c t t h a tM a u r i c e s t a n s d i d n o t a p p e a r p e r s o n a l l y b e f o r e t h egrand iury. (P. 38) The facts to my knowledge are

as fol} ows:

On Friday, July 29, 1972,-oI directed the FBIto sersre.a grand Jury subpoena upo.n M,aurice stansto appear before the grand jury the following Tuesday,August 1, 1972. That evening, counsel tor theC o m m i t t e e f o r t h e R e E l e c t i o n o f t h e P. r e s i d e n t , a t'an,emergency meeting he requested, strongly objectedto the proposed grand jury appearance ofy Mr. stans,

stating it would harm his fund raising efforts.

A t h i s r e q u e s t , w e c h a n g e d t h e d a t e o f h i s a p p e a r a n c et o W e d n e s d a y , A u g u s t 2 , 1 9 7 2 , b u t e x p l a i n e d h e w o u l dhave to appear. .

'. After the meeting, Mr. Campbell, Mr. Glanzer, -and I discussed the matter among ourselves. Onea s p e c t w e d i s c u s s e d w a s t h e a p p r o p r i a t e n e s s- o fserving a subpoena on a person such as Mr. Srans,a f o r m e r c a b i n e t o f f i c e r , a s o p p o s e d t o i n v i t i n ghim to appear, the procedure ordinarily followedwith Senators, Congressman, and other public andp r i v a t e o f f i c i a l s w h o u p o n i n v i t a t i o n w o u l d b ee x p e c t e d t o a p p e a r . M o r e i m p o r t a n t l y , w e d i s c u s s e dt h e p o t e n t i a l l y h a r m f u l a f f e c t o n o u r i n v e s t i g a t i o nb y w h a t w o u l d i n e v i t a b l y b e a h i g h l y p u b l i c i z e da p p e a r a n c e a t t h e g r a n d j u r y b y a p e r s o n a s w e l lk n o w n a s M r . s t a n s . T. h e m o u n t i n g p u b l i c i t y i n

t h i s c a s e , w e w e r e c o n c e r n e d , * m i g h t h i n d e r t h e

investigation and would very likely provide the

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50.1 EARL SILBE]?T RESPORSE FOR THE SENATE JUDICI M Y CO ~ ITTEEM4RCH 4, 1974, 27-28- -

- 28-

Ld e f e n d a n t s w i t h a b a s i s, f o r d e l a y i n g t h e t r i a l , a h i g h l y u n d e s i r a b l e r e s ul t i n v i e w o f t h e e n o r mous pressures on-us to bring the case to trial a s q u i c k l y a s p o s s

i b l e , W e r e v i e w e d a s p r e c e d e n t the case of United states v. Sweig, 441 F. 2d 114, 121,n.7 (2d cir. ), cert. deniedappea'r before the graDd jury but was deposd in his own office during a criminal invest i g a t i o nw h i c h w a s f o c u s i n g o n m e m b e r s o f h i s s t a f f , o n c e w i t h h i s n e p h e w p r e s e nt . W e r e a c h e d no final decision that evening.

D u r i n g t h e w e e k e n d , I w a s i n f o r m e d b y H,e n r y , Petersen that he had received avery strong complaint from John Ehrlichman of the White House about t h e p o ~ e n t i a l l y u n f a i r an d p r e j u d i c i a l p u b l i c i t y generated by appearances of White House staff.members and formercabinet officers'.before-the grand jury at the United st2tes Courthouse.

After a meeting on Monday, July 31, 1972, of then Attorney General Richard Kleindeinst, Mr.Petersen, ar.d m y s e l f 'i n w h i c h t h i s a n d o t h e r a s p e c t s o f t h e W a t e r g a t e c a s e w e r e d i s c us s e d , i t w a s s u b s e q u e n t l y a g r e e d t h a t w e l l k n o w n p e r s o n s s u c h a s M r . s t a n s a n d W hi t e H o u s e staff members whose testimony was sought by the grand jury would be examined by-an AssistantUnited states Attorney in the offices of Mr. Petersen at the ~D e p a r t m e n t o f J u s t i c e . I t w a s a g r e e d th a t .t h i s e x arr.i n a t i o n w o u l d b e u n d e r c o n d i t i o n s d u p l i c a t i n g Ss rlearly as possibleexamination before the grand jury: testimony under oath in question anSS answer form, in the presence only ofan Assistant United s t a t e s A t t o r n e y a n d a c o u r t r e p o r t e r w h o w o u l d record the proceedings.'The wi.;ness could be a c c o m p a n i e d b y c o u n s e l . A s b e f o r e a g r a n d j u r y , however, counsel wasnot permitted to be present d u ri U t h e e x a m i n a t i c n b u t i n s t e a d w o u l d b e a v a i l able in a nearbyroom to confer with the witness if t h e l a t t e r s o d e s i r e d . A f t e r t h e e x a m i n a t i o n , t h e t r a n s c ri p t o f t h e p r o c e e d i n g p r e p a . e d b y t h e c o u r t

r e p o r t e r w o u l d b e s u b m i t t e d t o t h e g r a n d j u r y .

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954

before the grand jury and he had worked out an arrangement wherebythey could come to the Department of Justice, be interweaved by theprosecutors with counsel present, and then the prosecutor would takea sworn statement without counsel present as if it vere 3 secret grandjury room and later the prosecutors would read the statement to thegrand jury. This procedure novas followed, as I recall, for Mr. Colson,

AIr. Erogh, Mr. Young, tsar. Chapin, and AIr. Strachan.

When Secretarv Stans learned that he was being called before the

grand jury, he expressed a similar'outrage and requested a procedurelike that which had been given to the members of the White House

staff. I discussed this again with Petersen7 but he said he didn't feel itwould be possible to follow a similar procedures 3Ir. Stans' outrage

continued and finally he raised it directly with Lair. Ehrlichman. Ehr-liehnan asked me why I couldn't do anvthing with Petersen about thisand I told him that Petersen had done the best he could but that there

was nothing he couId do about it because the grand jury wanted Stansto appear. Ehrlichman would not accept my explanation and called

Petersen and was very harsh in telling Petersen that he should honorthe White House request that Stans not be forced to appear at the court

house to go before the grand jury. I was present when Ehrlichmanealled Peterien and felt that he svas wrong in doing so. I felt that

Petersen had been more than accommodating and that if he could havedone it, he would, but obviously the grand jury wanted to see these

people and Petersen was not happy with the procedures that had beenfollowed with the others. It had merely been an accommoclation.

Anorsrtlinsfrls7 T W>411AS Mr Paterson sln,A athl~rriv7AA FAR A1~ 11 that no

1 V-Ut,l_Cti AUX t11¢ t:t11 ...~s .^^,

had received from Ehrlichman.

The only significant matter that I can recall in connection with any

of the grand jury appearances was in connection with Colson's grandjury appearance also. After Colson returned from his grand jurvinterview he sent me a memorandum, a copy of which I have submittedto the committee—which he suggested I might wish to send on to theprosecutors. I had been present during Colson's interz-ierv with theprosecutors before his sworn statement xvaS taken and I did not findanything of significance in the memorandum that he had failed to

cover during his interview.

tThe document referred to svas marked exhibit No. 3X1S,.*]

Mr. DE.- N. I had also received information from AtarruderXthat he

had been pressured by Colson and members of Colson's stafl intoauthorizing the adoption of Licldy's plans on several occasions andthis information was not reflected in the memorandum that Colson hadprepared. I felt that the memorandum was rather self-servinr to AIr.

Colson and I was not convinced that it was totally factual.

The memorandum also came to my attention almost a week after

Colson had sent it to me because, immediately following his al)pear-ance before the grand jury at the end of August. I haci gone to SanClemente. I advised Col30n that I did not knon if everything in hismemorandum ~vas consistent with 3tagrtldel 's test i xiloll v, a nil Ithought sve ought to leave well enouro~ll alone. He as em. .tccol dillgly,

I filed the document rather than forward it to AIr. Silbelt.

•See p. 1169.

41-021 0 - 74 - 37

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50 . 3 JOHN' EHRlIZMN TESTIONY, JULY 26, 1973, 7 SSC 2699-27'00

2699

Senator ERVIN. Well, they didn't give him a chance. They didn't

indict :NIagruder, and the prosecuting attorneys are reported in thepress to have said the evidence showed that nobody was involved

except the seven men under prosecution.

Don't you know that?

Mr. EVICTS. I know, too, that they had ZIr. Sloan's testimony

before them. He was not believed and in point of fact, you rememberin the press, that at the trial, the judge made comments which indicated

that he did not believe Mr. Sloan.

Senator ERODE Well, lt has turned out since he was telling the

truth, I think rather strongly, so they certainly had his testimony thatMagruder, the Deputy Director, had ordered him to pay this $199,000in cash out of Secretary Stan'S secret fund and that Secretary stans' had told Sloan to comply with the order of Magruder in this respect

after consultation with Mitchell.

Diowe I can unde stand why they don't find out some things that are

so outrageous that they don't believe a party. Didn't Mr. Sloan comeup and want to tell you about this and you said to him, "I don't wantto hear anything about it because if I hear anything about it I will

have to take the executive privilege until after the election."

Mr. EHRLIC}I3tAN. I don't know what it was that ZIr. Sloan wanted

to tell me because after we had talked for a few minutes and I haddetermined that he felt he had some exposure, but that he had nottalked to an attorney, I told him that it should be grosslv unfair of meto hear him out until he had had an opportunity to talk with an at-

torney and take counsel on his own situation.

Senator ERVI:f. You were one of the men in the White Ilouse who

stood in power next to the President, weren't you ?

Mr. EHRLICEMAN. I worked for the President there.

Senator ERVIN. Yes; and when an agent, when this treasurer of the

Finance Committee To Re-Elect the President came and told you hewanted to tell you about some things that troubled him you refused to

listen.

Mr. EZBLIC~rAN. TVell, I thought I was doing that from his stand

point. Mr. Chairman.

Duke Sloan has been a young man that I have known well during

the time he worked in the White House. I didn't want to see him tellme something before he had talked to counsel that later on was goingto prove his undoing, and you see his wife. Debbie, also worked at theNVhite House and was well known to my wife and me and I just didn't

want to see him overreached.

Senator ERV~. I have got to go and the time is almost up to go over

there and vote.

rRecess.l

Senator ERvrs. Before I put another question, I would sav that my

idea is that it is up to the jury to determine whether a witness is telling

the truth instead of the prosecuting attorney.

T)id vou not call Henrv Peterse.nz the Assistant Attornev General

of the Criminal Division, who had general supervısion of this prosecu-tion and ask him not to require former Secretary Maurice Stans to r°

before the grand jury ?

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50. 3 JOSE EHRLTCFMAN TESTIMONY JUlY 26. 1973. 7 SSC 2699-2700

Mr. ETRRLICHMAN. Yes, Mr. Chairman. The circumstances were that

the—it had come to the President's notice that Secretary Stans svasgoing to be asked to appear before the grand jury. He asked me todetermine if it would be possible for Secretary Stans to give his testi-mony as others had, through the device of a proceeding at the JusticeDepartment, a deposition, so to speak, under oath, rather than to run

the gauntlet at the Federal courthouse.The President said that a man who was a former Cabinet officer and

so on, should not be subjected to that kind of a situation. I talkedwith Sir. Dean about it and I talked with Afr. Petersen and he agreed

not to do that.

Senator ERVIN. As a Democrat with a small ~~a,~} I am incapableof comprehending why a former Cabinet officer should not have to doas all other mortals and go before grand juries and so he did not go,

did he?

Atr. EHRLICH^f£X. IIe gave his testimony.

Senator EBVIN. He gave his testimonyZ

Sir. EHRLICH3tAN-. Excuse one, AIr. Chairman. He gave his testimony

by deposition.

Senator ERvrs. Yes, he gave his testimony in the absenee of thegrand jury, did he not ?

Mr. EHRLICH3L&N. Apparently this was a procedure which had beenestablished by the prosecution and a number of other people had done

likewise.

Senator ERVIN. As I have observed during these healings before,murder and stealing have occurred in all generations but they have not

made murder meritorious or larceny legal.

Now, my question is. AIr. Former Secretarv Stans did not £r0 beforethe grand jury, did he ? He gave his testimony in his office, did he note

Mr. EHRLICH3WAN. No, sir—well, I do not lAlOW where he gave it.

Senator ERVIN. Well, he gave his testimony in the absence of thegrand jury ?

Mr. EHRLICHMAN. Yes~ I believe he gave it at the Department of

Justice.

Senator ERVIN. Yes. And by that method, there was nobody thereto ask him any questions except the prosecuting attorney who held

office at the pleasure of the President. Is that not sot

Mr. EHRLICIIIWAN'. Well, I do not know who was present, Mr.

Chairman.

Senator ERVIN. Well, you know none of the grand jurors therewere 23 grand jurors, I believe lander the Federal system, none of the

Grand iurors were there, were they?

Mr. EHRLICH3L\N. I do not believe so.

Senator ERVIN. So this was a process

Mr. EHRLICH3XAN'. Unless the foreman was there, and I do not know

that.

Senator ERVIXf. This was a process because Secretarv Stans, I

gues~Shakespeare said about Ceasar what meat our Ceasar eatshad crown so great but he had eaten such meat that made him so threatthat he did not have to eo before the Grand jury like ordinarv mortalsand that procedure made it certain that no inquisitive grand jurorcould ask this man who had had charge of the finnncing of tile cam-vai¢n, alltr embarrassing questions did he not?

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50,4 HEZVRY PETERSEN TESTII6XY, AUGUST 7, 1973, 9 SSC 3618-19

3618 - -

Mr. PETERSENS, After his appearance before the grand jury I do not

know whether

Sir. D.vsll. Had he shown some interest prior to that? Of course, I

think there revere three appearances that he had.

Mr. PETERSE:9. Yes, of course, filSt of all, the statements revere at the

AXThite House, coming from the White House that ,Johll Dean seascharged with preparing a repolt, and xvllat have you. John Dean'sstatements that were made to me were: I am responsible to keep the,President informed and, you knows if I bet in there and he asks me aquestion he really chews me out if I do not know the answer and.Henry, vou have got to keep me posted on these things. Tlsey wantedto know—if there was going to be a nervsevorth) item, they lvould lilieto know about it at or about the time it happened. So to that extentI tried to keep him informed of the ultimate facts and ashen I did not,

he would call.

3tr. DISH. Right, and, therefore, you did tell him that he had got

through the grand jury

Now, ean you recall a time when Sir. Ehrlichman got in touch with

-ou concerning the appearance of Mr. stanS before the grand jury {

3Ir. PETERSEN. Yes, sir; I can.

Air. D XSH. Can you briefly tell the committee about that in your O5VII

words?

Err. PETERSEN. I cannot give you the date, Sir. Dash. I think that

AIr. Dssll. Approximately what period ?

Nor. PETERSEN. It is isolated. It xvas during the summer. It nvas

before the indictment. It can be fixed because it xvaS imlnediately

before the return date ofthesubpenathatv~-asserved on Air. Stans.

I received a call at 11.40 in my home. I was sitting at the l;itcllen

table and it was Mr. Ehrlichman and he charged Earl Silbert withharassing former Secretary stans and I told Sir. F,hllicllman thatMr. Silbert was not a responsibility that I had approved of that, andthat it was not harassment, that it xvas true he had been interviewed atleast twice by the FBI but we simply—I am hesitating because I avantto be fair to Mr. stans—basically his testimony, his interviews were

the same as he gave the committee. Let me put it tilat way-.

As I recall his appearance up llere, there nvas some question about

whether the committee believed his statements that he did not };nonvwhat happened to the monev, that all he did lvas collect it. lN'e hadsome difficulty, the same difficulty, and we felt that if that avas lliSstory, that we ought to have it under oath. So to that extent we calledhim basically the thild time and it leas right—

Mr. DASH. What did Mr. Ehrlichman avant a

Mr. PETERSEN. What did he want? I asked him that question twice

and he never spelled it out except to stop harassing 31r. stalls andI said we were not harassing him and he charred that Earl Silbertnvas acting like a local prosecutor. lN'ell, WIr. Silbert is a local pros-

ecutor [laughter].

Mr. DASH. Did you get the impression that Mr. Ehrlichman was

perhaps asking that Mr. titans be excused from going to the grandjurist 2

Mr. PETERSEN. Well, that is what he was driving at. I asked him

twice what he wanted and he never answered other than to say stopharassing. I asked him, I said, mell, if stans has a problem with the

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subpena, why doesn't his lawyer call him, and he said it was not neces-sary, that Eilrlicllman M as calling me and we ended ttp telling him to

tell his lawyer to call me.

Atr. D.vsl~. Did 3Ir. Ivleindienst later speak to you about the same

matter ?

Air. PETERSEN-. 3Ir. Eleindienst called me Sunday evening the day

after and said, are you upset, and I said about what? He said aboutthe F:llrlichman call. And I said no, I am not upset. I was a little madbut it xvas his mistake, not mine, that I thought it nvas highly indis-closet, and Isleindienst' said, xvell, what is it all about, and I told himthat we wanted stand testimony under oath and he said, well, whydon't you come on down eally in the morning. I have got to seeEhrlichman about this and you come on, you and Silbert come.ondown and give me a briefing and we met, I think it xvas in my officeat 8 o'clock the next morning and briefed AIr. Itleindienst on the

states of the investigation.

I told him there is no need for 5 ou to be concerned about me. No point

going over to the XVhite House and getting in a fight about me. He

cannot do anything to me. We will get his testimony.

I did discuss with AIr. Silbert and AIr. Ivleindienst whether or not

we should make a concession. One of the concessions that we did makewas that we would take his testimony and what I described as undergrand jury conditions, that is, under oath, without his lawyer being

present, in order to avoid publicity and-

3Ir. DASH. There you aware or did AIr. Eleindienst tell you about

his telephone conversation with WIr. Ehrlichman ?

Air. PE'rERSEN. lSo, sir. I never heard of that. Indeed, I did not know

from whom he had learned of the conversation until very recently.

3Ir. DASH. You said you did agree on a concession. Could you tell us

where was 3tr. Titans interrogated ?

[Mr. PE'rERSEN. He was interrogated in my conference room by the

prosecutors on the case with a reporter present and no one else.

Mr. DASH. And not before the grand j ury ?

Mr. PETERSEN. No, sir.

Mr. DASH. Who else, by the way, was given a similar concession

during the investigation ?

zrr. PETERSEN. Colson, Sehrli, and Young.

Mr. DASH. Colson, Rehrli, and-

31r. PETERSEN. Young.

Air. D.vsll. AVas this re(lllested by anybody in the White Houses

Mr. PETF.RSEN-. I think it lvas requested by John Dean in order to

avoid pllblicit,v.

Fir. DASH. Is there any special reason? Is that the reason. to avoid

publicity, that this concession xvas (riven to White House staff?

Arr. PETERSEN. A5o. I don't think—that is all. Franklv, 3rr. Dash,

one of the most difficult thinks I have had to do since I have been inthe ,Justiee Department are decisions with respect to public. officials,

because the coneelns are trenlelldolls. You erl seriollslv if VOII don'tconduct an illvestifration where it shollld be conducted and if you doconduct an investigation where it should not be, vou do a terrible dis-

serviee to the public official involved. It is no hell) to sav, lvel1, Fir.Public Official, Eve avant VOII to Irnow yoll have been cleared and we are

sorry about all the publicity. That is a vely serious thin r and I have

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50.5 RECE E D L EIXDIENST TESTIMONY, AUGUST 7, 1973a 9 SSC 3564-65

3s64

Mr. DORSEN'. During the summer of 197A, xsere you aware that Pat-

rick Gray was making available to John Dean FBI teletypes and

302's ?

AIr. KLEIN-DI}:NST. No, sir. The first time I became aware of that avas

in the confirmation hearing of AIr. Gray to be the permanent Director

of the FBI.

Mr. DORSEN. Had NIr. Dean spoken to you about the possibility of

the FBI supply ing to the WVhite House such documents ?

WIr. KLEIDJDIEN-3T. ZIr. Dean laised a question with both myself and

Air. Petersen. Both of us were vely quick to tell him that vie did not—that we svould not give him raw Investigative data from E5BI files. Itold him based upon his representation to US and my belief throughoutthis matter that he was counsel to the President; he represented himeontinuallv. He was dealing strictly vith the President, that the Presi-dent had delegated him to more 01> less be responsible for an overx ievvof the investigation insofar as it might relate to White House person-nel. I told ZIr. Dean that since I had been in the Department of Jus-tice I hadn't been Attorney General but a seek when this fantasticsituation occurred—that it had always been my policy and one thatNvaS shared by Attorney General Mitchell, that only under the mostrestricted circumstances should raxv FBI investigative data be givento anybody. I believe I did indicate that M e Couldn't mind summaliz-ing pertinent information that novas relevant to his inquiry orallv forhim so that he could make a report to the President. iI believe I alsoindicated that if there was a particular file that the President of theUnited States personally wanted to see, that I would be vvillina to takethat file personally up to the President, sit doxvn with the President

and le' him look at it and then bring it back.

~~ Mr. DORSEN. During the summer of 1972, were you aware or made

a vare of a Saturday night phone call from WIr. John Ehrlichman ton HenryPetersenZ

Mr. KLEINDIENST. III the summer of 1972 ?

Mr. DORSEN. Summer or fall.

Mr. IZLEINDENST. I do not know if it divas an evening call. I became

a vare of a call that WIr. Ehrlichman made to NIr. Petersen I believein the middle of the day, sometime between July 7 or 8 and August 8or 9, at a time when I was at the Pocono Lake Preserve in Pennsyl-vania with my family on a vacation. I became aware of such a call at

that time.

Mr. DORSEN. How did you become aware of its

Mr. KLEINDIENST. I became a vare of the call because lSIr. Ehrlich-

man called me. He started the conversation out, I thinly by sayingeither "Dick" or "General," depending on the nature of the conversa-tion ho v he would address me. He said: "I have just talked to HenryPetersen and I am very upset about my conversation vith him becauseI nave him an instruction which he refined to followed and I think myfirst reaction AVIliClI xvaS again rather abrupt and instantalleollS wns."50rhat lvcre you doing talking to l-lenrv Petersen in the first plaee andais illa hiln illStlWlCtiOIIS of anti k-illd o'7 and he said. ' Never mill(l tllat, Iasked hint to ha~-e the FBI avid It.vS. Xttorney s Office IlOt llal ass Secre-tarV KStans Title respect to intel rotations not to harass the Secretarv."End I said. John, you have Cot to be Otlt of vour milld. What did

AIr. Petersen say to you? Well. I think he said in a polite lvax he told

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3565

me to go to you know where, and I sai(l, well, Mr. Ehrlichman, I thinkby that time I may have been calling him Mr. Ehrlichman,-I said you

are awfully lucky Henry Petersen is the kind of man that he is that he

• does not blow off the handle. I said if he resigned today and has a press

conference and repeated your conversation with him you could probe -ably be involved in an obstruction of justice complaint, and I saidHenry did exactly what I would expect him to do. Then I remembersaying to Mr. Ehrlichman I never want you again so call up anybodyin my Department and give them specific instruction. I said if you havesomething to convey to Mr. Petersen or anybody over there you cancall me. He said well, I cannot reach you all the time, and I said well,John, we have transacted most of our business on the telephone, I had2L telephone installed up here to be available to you and the Presidentor anvbody else 24 hours a day. He said I will not agree to that, and Isaid all right, John, if you will not agree to that l will come downMonday. I would like to meet with you and the President, and if thePresident tells me that you have the authority and the Power to givespeeific instructions to people in the Department of Justlce then I avillsubmit my resignation. At that point Mr. Ehrlichman then treated thematter lightly, do not get excited, I was only kidding, do not worryabout it, it vill never happen again, and I can say to you that it never

did happen again.

Mr. DORSEN. Am I correct that Mr. Stans did not actuall y appear

before the grand jury?

Mr. 1£ LEINDIENST. That is my understanding

Mr. DORSEN-. And how did that come about, in view of your con

versation with Mr. Ehrlichman ?

Mr. R LEINDIENST. That came about as a result of conferences that

I had with Mr. Petersen.

Mr. Petersen said that if you are dealing with persons of high posi

tion, persons of great notoriety or prestige, it is not uncommon, de-pending upon the circumstances, instead of having them appear beforethe grand jury directly, to have them interrogated by an--tssistantU.S. Attorney or the U.S. Attorney with a court reporter and givethem questions and get ansxvels from them, otherwise the same groundrules would apply, they would not have a lawyer with them, theirattorney could be in the next room, if they wanted to constllt withtheir attorney they could step out and do that. He said that par-ticularly he saw no objection to it in view of the fact as of that timethere was no evidence of anV kind in our possession that would indi-

cate culpability or criminal conduct on behalf of Mr. Stans.

I have had very little experience with the grrand jury procedure.

T ant.hars7pZ theta rsr~oA~l~ with resn~et to lVfr Stfin<: and I will take

,_ personal responsibility for it.

Mr. DORSEN. Now, before I ask you your relationship with John

F,hrlichman in reference to the Justice Department during this period,I would like to read a few sentences from John Dean's testimony

before this committee from pave 2308.

Throughout the Watergate investigation Hnldeman and particularly F:hrlich

man, had complained about tar. Sleindienst's passive role in the investigationand prosecution. Elaldeman and Ehrliehman svere both a vare of the strainedrelationship between Rleindienst and the White House. I knew that Ehrliehmanvas riding hard on the Justice Department in an effort to undermine fir.Rleindienst. I also kne v from conferences vith Stleindienst he had little nffec-

tion for Mr. Ehrlichman.

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50, 6 ROBERT BARKER STATEMZfflVT, JUNE 12, 1973s 2 SSC 682

682

Commencing early in sTulv of 1972, on three occasions, he voluntarily

submitted himself to inquiries and discussions faith FBI agents con-cerning the Watergate break-in and the Presidential election campaign.

On August 2, 1972, Mr. Stans voluntarily appeared and gave sworn

testimony to the assistant U.S. attorney for use before the Watergate

grand jury here in Washington, D.C.

Subsequently, Mr. stanS voluntarily appeared before the staff of

the House Banking and Currency Committee and gave informationwith respect to campaign finances and cooperated with that committee.

On six different occasions, in addition to submitting the official

reports required of the committee, Mr. stans gave affidavits and dis-cussed matters with representatives of the General Accounting Officeconcerning campaign finances and activities. He did everything he

could to clarify matters.

Again voluntarily, he went to New York and appeared before the

U.S. attorney handling the grand jury investigations into the Vescocontribution to the campaign. He then also voluntarily appeared ontwo occasions before that grand jury and fully and candidly andcompletely testified as to the matters knows to him to the best of

his ability.

In addition, on three occasions, he has sriven depositions in the civil

litigation arising out of the campaign. He has also testified for the

litigation in Florida, a criminal case down there.

Subsequently, he appeared before the staff of this committee and

on two occasions, gave them information concerning the campaignactivities and nnances, and he fully intended to appear voluntarılybefore this committee and to give it all the cooperation and assistance

that he could.

IIowever, on May 10, the United states of America, of which this

committee is a part, a coordinate branch, changed the whole situation.It brought an indictment against Mr. stans, charging him with veryserious crimes arising out o the campaign and his duties as chairman

of the finance committee.

As you know, Mr. Stans pleaded innocent.

Now, Mr. stans is before this committee under subpena, with a

direction to testify about his function as chairman of the CommitteeTo Re-Elect the President. Inevitably, directly or indirectly, thishearing will influence any jury which might be called to hear the casein New York. This places Mr. Stans in an impossible position and acompletely unfair one. Under our constitutional system and thefundamental laws of this land, an accused is entitled to a fair trial byan impartial jury, unimpeded by a deluge of publicity. In other words,as the Supreme Court said in Estes v. Tezas, the concept of due processof law entitled the defendant to "both judicial serenity and calm."

Now, 'A{r. Chairman, the inevitable Klein light of publicity which

will result from Mr. Stans' appearance here would preclude any ju-dicial serenity and calm at the trial now set, as I saV, for September 11

in New York. Is vould also tend to deny him the possibility of animpartial jury of the kind guaranteed by the sixth amendment. Toparaphrase the language of the Supreme Court in Delaney v. U.S.

(199 F. 2d. 107, 1st cir., 1959), WIr. Stans' nppenrallce before thiscommittee and the television an(l other news media related thereto

would accomplish additional investigation and extensive publicity

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50, 7 144URICE STATS TESTIMONY, JWE 13, 1973, 2 SSC 726

726

Senator GURNEY. Have you ever discussed this Watergate affair

or any aspect of it with the President of the United States?

Mr. STANS. Only in the sense that the President and I met once

during the campaign and I had one telephone call from him, both in

August.

Senator GURNEY. Both when?

Mr. STANS. In August of last year, in which he said that he was

aware of the fact that I was receiving considerable punishment inthe press for not answering their questions at the time. He said thathe appreciated the sacrifice I was making in that respect but thematter would be over eventually, and he hoped that I could continueto take it. It was a pep talk, in other words, and that was the substance

of the discussion over the telephone.

Now, in the subsequent meeting about 10 days later in his office

in the Executive Ofiice Building I talked about some of the problemson fundraising Seth him, the pending nationwide dinner wh ch wasgoing to take place in September at which he was going to participate,and matters of that type but there was no discussion of the Watergate,

of coverup or any subject of that type with the President.

Senator GURNEY. Do you know from any information from anybody

eise whether the President of the United States had any knowledge

of Watergate or the coverup?

Mr. STANS. I have absolutely no such information.

Senator GURNEY. Thank you, Mr. Stans.

That is all, Mr. Chainnan.

Senator ERVIN. Senator Inouye.

Senator INOIJYE. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Mr. Secretary, a few moments ago you testified that you had met

with Mr. Mitchell on June 23 and yesterday you suggested that itwas possible you met with Mr. Mitchell on June 24. The break-inwas on the 17th of June. On the 18th I believe all of the major papersin the United states had banner headlines about the Watergatebreak-in and you learned about that for the first time. Then, on the23d of June you testified you received a call from Mr. LaRue, Ibelieve. Then, there were other banner headlines about moneys beingtraced through embank and hundred dollar bills all over the placeand the security chief of the Committee To Re-Elect the Presidentbeing arrested as one of those found in the Watergate complex. Lastweek one of your associates Mr. Sloan, testified that he was quiteapprehensive about an $81,000 cash disbursement to Mr. Liddy andhe testified that he conferred with you on this matter and wantedsome indication from you that Mr. Magruder was authorized to makethese cash payments. So you indicated that you would look into this,and on June 24 you had a meeting with Mr. Mitchell, the Attorney

General.

Now, upon your return from the meeting this is what WIr. Sloan

testified to, and I am quoting from the testimony:

By "he" he means you, sir, "He returned from that meeting Faith

Mr. Mitchell and he confirmed that Mr. Magruder continued to havethis authority that I should pay these funds and with regard to myquestion of concern about his purpose he said 'I do not avant to know

and you do not want to know'."

Do you recall this, sir?

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51. John Ehrlichman has testified that on July 31, 1972 Ehrlichman,

John Dean and Attorney General Kleindienst met and discussed whether

Jeb Magruder was involved in the break-in at the DNC and that shortly

thereafter Ehrlichmal2 discussed the meeting with the President.

Kleindienst has testified he does not recall the meeting. In August,

1972, after Magruder's testimony before the grand jury investigating

the break-in at the DNC headquarters, Dean called Assistant Attorney

General Henry Petersen to find out how Magruder had done when testi-

fying. Petersen called Assistant United states Attorney Silbert and

discussed Magruder's testimony. Petersen has testified that he told

Dean that while Magruder was a very articulate young man, nobody

believed Magruder's story that he did not know the purposes for which

campaign funds had been spent.

51.1 John Ehrlichman log, July 31, 1972 (received




.51.5 Henry Petersen testimony, 9 SSC 3617, 3651 582

51.6 Earl Silbert testimony, SJC, Nomination of EarlSilbert to be United states Attorney for theDistrict of Columbia, April 23, 1974, 51-53----------584

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51 .1 JOHD EHRLICh711S4D7 LOGs JULY 31, 1972

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Car at west basernent

At Justice - AG Kleindien3t, John Dean

Lunch a-; JusticeSecretary hodg30n, Ken ColeRoosevit Roo7n - p. r. group

Peter Flaztigan, Ken Cole, Jon R3se

T roilca

Youth reception - Mess (Jeb biagruder)

TUnSDAY AL-GUST 1 1 972

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JZC1.C Xem3 ge-OUlp ol vresimen Congress~er. - H-139 ~aE)i'o7x

HRh, MacGre,,or, mvritc'r~all, Colson, Xa~lonv, Ti3:utr.0z3.3

24L3 E03 - vlarvioarl} rnilroad oeonle

Se;lntor C-eor;,e Smsathars

Bob Teeter, rearper, 3S1orey, Cole

r'>lair t~;)use di~:rOeL hosted by Sec. anu AvrrS~ Richar:ison Foir

Soxriet Health AsLi;ıister and NI-so DO-'CS Set-osr,\;y

(business suit a-.d coc'-ctail d-esse~)

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51.2 JOSE SR%sICH~ TESTIMONY, JULY 24. 1973, 6 SSC 2554-55

I think you recognized that.

Mr. EHRLICHMAN. I recall the last page of the second. I think that

is my chopmark on the rest of it, although I don't haste any present

recollection of it.

The third one, Mr. Silbert's internal memorandum in the Justice

Department, has been shown to me, but I can't vouch for it.

Atr. ERVIN. I evils admit the first two papers as exhibits and the

reporter will number them appropriately as such.

tThe documents referred to lvere Smarked exhibits Nos. 90 and 91.*1

Senator ERVI3,-. The third I avill have marked for identification, but

will not be admitted at this time.

[The document referred to lvas marked exhibit No. 92 for identi

fication only and not for publication.]

WIr. DASH. I do have other questions that I avill not ask at this

point. I have no further questions at the present time.

Senator ERWIN. WIr. Thompson.

AIr. THO3rPSO:X. Air. Chairman, I do have one or tlvo lines that I

would like to pursue, and then with the chairman's permission, per-haps after the members of the committee have questioned the licitness,

I'll return to other lines.

Mr. Ehrlichman, I understand that as of June 18, tou knew that

hIr.'Hunt and AIr. Liddy had in fact broken into the DISC or al-legedly so and also that they vere members of the BThite House stag

Is that correct ?

Sir. EliRLICllBIAN. N0, I don't believe so, AIr. Thompson. I think that

sometime on the 19th, WIr. Dean told me about Liddy's involvement.The only connection that I had with regard to Hunt lvas this callfrom the Secret Service that said that his name had been in the pos-session of one of the people caught in the Democratic headquartersan(l that the card or the paper or whatever it lvas, said "RVhite House"

on it.

-Old, it wasn't very many days after that before the link avas made,

I guess. but as of that day, I don't thinly I hlexv that.

Air. T1IO3rPSON. Atr. Dean has testified that Liddy also told him

that Magruder lvas involved in son e ways that Magruder pushed him.Also, Mitchell and LaRue and AIardian testified that they got essen-tially the same information from Liddy on June 21, I believe. WVasan) of this information imparted to you in June of 1979 concerningl\tr. Magruder?

r. F,XIRLICII3r-\N. I can't say, 3Ir. Thompson, whether it avas or

not. There came a time when there lvas a feeling that, at least on mypart, based on what the—on what AII-. Dean was telling me about theunfolding of this thing, that Mr. Magruder mat have had some in-volvemellt, and that culminated in a meeting with the Attorney Gen-eral at the end of July-, on the 31st of July, where :;\Iagrtlder wasspecifically discussed. But just where in there I acquired information,

I can't tell you.

Stir. Tu03rPsoxf. When you acquired this information, did you dis

cuss this information with the President ?

Mr. ElfRl.ICHAtAN-. WVell, as I say, I can't say in the interim. I do

recall discussing with the Presi(lellt the comments of the Attornev

General and Mr. I)ean arising out of our meeting 011 July 31.

•See pp. 2643 and 2646, respeetivelY«

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51. 2 JOHN EHRDICH1t4N TESTIMONY, Judy 24, 19?3, 6 SSC 2554-55

AIr. TIloAtPSON. Do you recall approximately When this conversa

time tools place?

I 3r.. EItRt,IC11AtAN-. It Would have been ~vithill a day or

I Il,~.t. It +soul(l have t)cen ill the fit3t meek in ~tU#,rtlSt.

- two after

Arr. 'I'lloztvsos-. First rveeli in Aug,tlst—

Or.. ElIllLICH3tA5r. Yes, sir.

AIr. TlIoAtPSON-. AVns the fil'St occasion 2

Air. EIIT1LICHBI.\N'. I cannot say the first occasion, but it is the one that I have a recollection of.

AIr. TltozrPsos. AIr. Ehrlichman, let me read to you the President's statement of AIay 2i, again xvhicll hasbeen previously referred to, and give you a quotation from that statement. The President says:

I Wanted justice done nith regard to Watergate but in the seale of national priorities With Which I hall to deal, and not at that time having any idea of the extent

of political abuse oldish Watergate reflected, I also had to be deeply concerned with enduring insuring that neither covert operations of the CIA nor the

operations of the special investigations unit should be eomprolllised.

3r,. F,lllll.XtIlzr.v>-. Excuse one, :NIr. Tholllpsoll, coulel you tell me xvhelc vou ale reading frolll'7 Icannot quite heal yoll.

Ail. TIIOAtPSON-. That is on page 5 of the President's statement of AlKlv an.

Atr. Ellrsl,xcllar.v>. Tllank you.

3rr. TIIO3XPSON. It is the last full paragraph.

Fir. EIIRLICIIBI£tS'. Right.

WIr. TIIOBIPSON'. ~-t11 rigllt.

Therefore, I instructed Mr. Haldeman and Air. Ehrliehman to insure that the investigation of the breal;-in not expose either an unrelated covert operation of

the CI.t or the activities of the lVhite House investigations unit, nud to see that this svas persollallv coordinated between General B'alters, Deputy Director of the

CIA. Air. Gray of the FBI. It certainly xvaS not my intent or my ravish that the investigation Or the Watergate break-in or of related acts be impeded in any may.

Is that corlect? A0Tere )'011 in fact given those instructions?

Afr. EIIRI.I('IIAI.\N'. Hire revere asked to meet with the CI-t people in the month of ,JtIlle, and 31r.ITaklelllall and I did that. At a point in time. I thinly some months in advance of the Watergate break-in, thePresiclellt had macle it very clear to me that the lvllole special unit activity novas, he felt, impressed with thehighest level of securitv classification. It simply lvas Slot to be talked about and I had passed that alone toYOUII<r and Iilo<rll and othels. Bt t I do clot recall ever talLill(r to eithet the CI t people or AIr. Gray aboutin~-estio~ations Which

isrllt lead to the special Illlit as such.

Ail. TIXO)IPSON'. Priol to the break-ill?

3fr. EIIRLICII3f ~N-. Eithel prior or subsequent, for that matter.

3rr. Tllozirso>-. thou tallied 011 June 2t'3—2,goU had a discllssioll with 311. Helms and Atr. AlTalters,did you clot 2

Arr. Elllsl.ICllZ[AN-. But it did not relate to the activities of the special Illlit With refralcl to the PentafrollPapers or anNtllill~ live that.

i! Or. TIrO3IPSON. Belt it related to CL-t activities?

Ail. EIIRI.ICIIBIAN. w es. Sit'.

Afr. TIroarrsos-. Of coulse, the l~resiclent refers ill his statement to both Grit activities.

Air. Elll;Ln'llAt.\N. And, as I Sax, I can say that eve had the one~t

ing With the CI t 011 the 1st. I (to slot recall any conversations or ef-

(578)

51.3 RICEED EEIXDIE#n~ESTIONY, AUGUST 7, 1973, 9 SS: 3566-67

3566

Is this a fair statemellt of yonl relationship xvith WIr. F,hrlichman?AIr. KL1C1N-DIENST. I think the last statement AII'. Dean made at tllat

tiTne would llave been subjective in natllre. I do llOt thillk I had a feel-ing one way or the other in that wa,y about Mr. Ehrlichmall. I hadllad, gellerall,> speakillra, a satisfactors xvorl;inlr relationsllil) XVitllMr. Ehrlicllman. He had a very diSicult assignment and role to ful-fill 011 behalf of the I'residellt Or tlle United states. I often lvonderedholv ,John Elllliclllllall could really tal;e onto llimself tllc multitllcli-IIOUS choles and responsibilities tllat he did. I made it a pOillt to theextent possible to xvork AVitll and M3ret alollg xvith everybody at theAVhite House and indeed, ill t.lle (;oz-erlllllellt, as a mealls bV lvhiell I

xvould dischal ae 1115 IPsl)ollsibilitv ill tlle (7Tov-ernlllellt.

I did not lvnoxv—nobocly told ine tllat I xvaS IlOt aetting along XVitlI

the AV~nite House. I have a pelsollalitJ, all(l pelsollalitv chalacteristicsavhich people tell mc can sometinleS l~c irritatin(r and I am SOI'I'V abotltthat and I sul)pose I could llave irritated peol)le llp tllere from time totime. So far as a passis e role at tlle I)el)al-tmellt of .Justice~ tlle decisionthat I made on Julle 17 XVllCIl I becallle nxvare of this in ternls of myrole as thC Xttorney- (;eneral lvaS essenti.lllJ- tllis: Tllat I shollld IlOt doan) tlling nlore 01 less in thiS as a major investiration tllan I ~vould inany othel case. III every other case tlsat I es-er lvas inw-olved in nt theI)epaltmellt of Justice of a crimillal nature, I looked to 31r. XElenrJ-Petersen to be prinlal ily respollsible for the direction of tlle

ins-estiration.

And let me say this about 3II-. Petelsen. I believe that Henl v l'eter

sen is tlle finest career laxv~el that tllis COIllltlV has evel hacl. In 41,7/.,yeals of association xvith hinl I found hilll to bc intellivellt, fair, coul-a-frcous, llonest, dedicated to the adlllinistlatioll of our crilnillal jllsticelalrs and I Sllpl)oSe tllat of all of tlle peol)le tllat I svaS associated thelelvith sVIlO ~vould be undel me ill the Depal-tnlellt I respected lwim nlore,loolved to him more for aclvice and counsel, relied llpOII him more, and

thanlied tlle Lord constalltly tllere ~vaS Lt man like Henrv l'ctelsen.

31v admiratioll for him lvas sucll, I belieze Henlv Petersell is tlle

fil'St caleer laxv,yer in the I)epartment of .Justiee wvho xvas everal)poillted 1v,5 the President to be an -tssistant .-tttolnley (;encral and Ithouallt it lvas a areat complilllellt to his careel of service. Conse-(lllentlv~ 011 an,y other, as I did on any othel crimillal Ill.lttel, I lookedto liel;ry Petersell, I plol)al)l) salv l;im ses-eral times a dav. I did IlOtabsolw-e myself of the ultilnate resl)onsil)ilit) as the ~tttorl;ey (;enclalin the matter but I relied UpOII Henl,} ancl I aot infolmatioll fromllenl) Petersen. ARTitll the CXCCptiOII of one event, I nezel talked to3I,. Silbelt, Mr. Glanzer, Mr. Campbell or the U.S. ~tttorney, I nevelgave tlleln any direction. If thele lvaS a policy nlatter 311. Petel-senXVOtll(l submit to me lvhicll lvnS plol)er for Ille to discharsre aS theAttorlle.> Scnelal, I made those decisions. If tllev xvere riryllt, I lvilltake tlle credit for it nnd if they xvere zvrolla I sviil tal;e the resl)ollsi-bilitV for it. Tllat could haz-c beell to people at thc Al'llite House apassiz-e role in the Avatelvatc <'21Se. It is tlle role tllat I tried to pulsllexvhile I xvas thele tultil Sunday, April 15, 1973.

3rr. DOR6E?;. I lvould lilie to tlllall to a meetinra that toolz place amon,y,

.you, 3r.-. Dean, and Mr. Ehrlicllman on July 31,1972. Do you recall

that meeting?

3II. ISL1;:1XI)IF.XST. 3II-. Dean. AIr. Elllliclullall, and m~self?

(579)

51 3 RICHARD KLEINDIE#qv TR.STTMDNY. AUGUST 7. 1973, 9 SSC 3566-67

WIr. DOR8EN'. Yes.

AIr. ITLEIXDIEN-ST. A~\rithout something else to prod my memory I

have no recollectioll of that.

Alr. DOTTSEN. Well, I lvill read from pagre 5285 of BIr. Ehrlichman's

testimony before this committee:

There +~ame a tinle svhell there xvas a feelillg that, at least 011 Illy l>art, Icased

upon what 31r. Denn ~vas telling rlle about the unfolding of this thing, that ?~lr.2>1agruder mav have had some involvement and that culminated in a meetingxvith the Attorney C:elleral at the end of .JI11yT 011 July 21, svhere 3tagruder wasspecifically discussed, but just xvhere in there I acquired information I can't

tell you,

BII-. ISl.EINDIENST. I have no recollection of any such meetinfr. Th8onlv recollection I llave of an~-l)odJ- ever sa,> infr an~-tllillg to mealjout AIr. WIagruder xvas AIIO. l'ctelEcn's charactel i%ation to lue afterhe appellled before the (rralld jUI) as a nvitneSs, tllat hC said, AIafrrudere just barely, you know, got by. As a result of our conversation, II gr,athered he meant by that that he didn't sound like a credible mgitness.+vever, thelc xvaS no othel cvidellce availal)le to tlle tT.S. tttorne)to contradict xvhat he said and tllat is tlle only characterization o:f AIr.

Magruder that I heard.

IncidentallJ, WIr. Dorsen, let me makc another {rratuitous statement,

if I may, and that is about these three younfr lansvels in the U.S.Attolnev's Offtce XV}tO condlle ted this in vest irrat ioll. To me those t}l ree.alon;,r lVitll 3tr. Petersell. are the unsullfr lleroes of the Al'aterfrate case.I think a lot of people should be (risen a lot of credit, the Senate, thepress, Judfre sirica, but there haven't been very many people around

talking about these career people in my Departmellt.

These tllree youngr men ~vere careei lalv~-els. I believe that they area}l Democrats. Thev weJe there before xve came in. The~- lvere sr,iventlliS assirnmellt t)V tllc 1'.S. .tttorlleV ancl thev ~vere never intel-fe~vith. Undel l erJ, difficult c,irClllllstances. thC obvious political notorietJof it, t]lC y)roblems ~Vit}l rcsl)ect to the press, the interest of the S=ationrvith respect to t}lis terrible, re})re}lellsible erent that had occurred,ilnl)osed Ilpoll these voulltr nlell a l)urdell that fesv larosecutols. I think.has-c ever had. I had complete fait}l in them t}ll'OU~}IOllt t}liS thinw. Ido toda~ . And I 11ope someda) t}lat thev vs ill (ret the recorrnition thatthev really deserve for conductillg a tholouXrll, comprellensive illvesti-

gation.

-tlld let me conclude mV frlatllitV bV this relnark. that this case. it

seems to Ille. zvas ultimatelv broloeil I;Ot lly Atafrrtlder'alld Arr. I)eansZoillfr to the Senate, or the. press, 01- the judtre. but bV froinfr to theIJ.S. tttorney's OffiICC in the I)istl ict of Coltlmbia, to itl-. Silbert, AIr.Glanzel. and AIr. Campl)ell. and rrivillrr them tlle infollllatioll thatreallv had unfolded tllis and brollrrllt 113 to the pOillt xvllere nve are

today.

F,xcuse the interrup.ion but I wanted to make tllat testimony for

some w-ery fine men t}Ult I admil e verv mucll.

l\lr. I>;1{SEX t11 risthtr 31r. I<leindienst.

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illfr XVit]l tlle Ivresidellt 011 that dav and aslv vou if vou can sulnnlalizc

fol the colllmittee lvhat occurl ed.

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AIt-. DORSEN-. ColTect.

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might IlOt stand up if indicted. I recall Haldeman asking me if I thousrllt Atagruclel xvould stand "1' if indicted ttlld I said

To. I have alxvays assumed it xvas a Presidential decision to keep :Ala~rrllder on at the reelection committee. Following the

decision, Ehllicllmall and Haldeman indicated a greatly increased intelest in ATagrtlder's problems. They Revere aware of

the strategy to stop the involvement at Liddy, because I re.polted to them on the story that Alafrruder would tell, that is,

that he did not knoxv what Liddy v-as doing. The,v frecluently asked me holv Magruder svas doinfr in relationship to the FBI

and grand jury investigation I also hall calls from :Alr. Larry Hi;,rby as to Alagrudel's status.

I do not knolv when I first learned of Afarruder's proposed testimony, but I did clot lillO\V that it had allea(ly been

forlllulattcl svilen I first heard it. I informed Haldeman and Ehrlichmarl of the stork Ore discussed it and no one avas sure it

would hold up. This discu.ssioll did occur before Mitchell resigned. Eve, of course, knew that it m-as a fabricated story.

WAThen I later learned that WIr. Porter would corroborateBIr. AIagruder's testimony, I informed Haldeman and Ehlliclmlall

of that. I had never heard WIr. 2.1agruder's story in full detail Ulltil just before his grand jury appearance, in mid- tuCust 19,

a. when he aslied me if I would be a devil's advocate and question him before he rent before the grand jury. Magruder came

to my office, as I recall. the dav before his second grand jury appearance. He told me he had made the decision himself as to

how he avas gong to handle his testimony and wanted me to ask him any and all questions I could think of. I spent about an

hour or more questioning him. Shortlv after I had this session with AIafrruder, ITi(rby called me to tell me that Magruder had

been to see him, to let Haldeman know he lras ready.

~lNollonving M.2[agruder's appearance before the Grand jury I received a call from Higby requesting information for

Halelemall as to honv Magruder had done before the grand jurv. I subseqllentlv ealled Atr. Petersen, who said he would find

out and call me back. Petel sen called back and said he had made it through by the skin of his teeth. I called Haldeman and

so informed him, and subsequentk infolmed Mitchell and Magruder. I recall that Haldeman lras very pleased, because this.

Of course, meant that the investigation would slot <to beyollel Liddv.

In early September Paul O'Brien came to mv oflice and informed me that there xvas an outstanding subpoena for

Atarrllder's diarv. O'E',rien said that M.Iagruder's diary reflected the meetings in Atitcilell's office in Jamlary and February

with LiddV, AIarrllder, Denim. and Mitchell. O'Brien also informed me that these had been discllssioll of clestrovint or

altering the diary-, but he did not think much of that. I agreed that to alter it would be. impossible because it would be

discovered bv the FBI laboratory.

I remember talking with Magruder and asking him lvhy he kept a diary—being somexvhat facetious. I told Ata(truder

that he should talk with Afr. Mitchell about this, because he lvas probably aOill(t to have to turn the diary over.

Lone before the matter of WIagruder's diarv had al isen, I had talked lVit]l Mitchell about the meetiinys in .Janutiry and

Febrllalv in his oflice. I told him that should Kit ever be necessaiv. I would testifv that I knew that he had not approved

anvtllillft at these meetings It ~-QS after the matter of '.la~rucler's diary being slllopell;led and Alaglllder

again being recalled to the grand jury that Mitchell requested that I

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51.5 HENRY PETERSEN TESTIMONY, AUGUST 7. 1973. 9 SSC 3617. 3651

AIr. PETERSEN. I lvaS not alvare at all of the Dean meetings t;Ittil tl-recent disclosures. I avas aware that AIr. Gray xvas in touch XVit}l AIAl'alters to tly and cletemlillc xvlletller or IlOt there lvas an,> CIA i

volvement in colUlection Title the ALexican transactions

:NIr. Dense. And he later-

AIr. PETERSEN. Blat is all.

AIr. DASH. AItd he later reported to you he learned there xvas nCIA involvement}

3Ir. PETERSEN. 1 hat is right.

Fir. D.NSI{. Nonv, did you ever discuss with Air.

3Ir. PEW'ERSEN'. AIr. Dash, I guess I ought to qualify that. I thin

that is in the record, that there is some CIA assistance with respecto E. Honvard Hunt and these may have been—but on the direct ques

time with respect to the Mexican transactions no.

Air. I)ASIS. Yes, and WIr. Petersen, I am confining these question

nolv to the very early period within actually a week or so after thbreal;-in. I tllillk the testimony before the committee is that Fir. Helmspoke to Sir. Gray on June 22 and said there nvas no CIA involvemenand the meetings between !^lr. Haldeman, 3Ir. Ehllic}lman, Ambassador Helms, and AIr. Halters xvas 011 June a:3, and then sholtly afterlvards, in fact, on the same day, on June 23, General Halters spolse t(31r. Gray. It is in that area, that time period, that I am directing mJ

questions.

Mr. PETERSEN-. I had no such instructions.

zIr. DASII. Did vou ever discuss lVitll AIr. Dean, AIr. Magruder'

Appearance before the grand jury ?

3Ir. PETERSEN;. Jolm Dean called me at the time of Mag,rudelk

appearance before the grand jury and asked how Magruder made out,I did not know and I called Earl SilbeIt and lle said, xvell, you know.as you all know, he is a very articulate young man and he describedllim, he made a good avitness in his OlVII behalf, but, Henry, nobody| believes the story about the money. And, you know, that is—in thoseI lvords are rvllat I told 3Ir. Dean.

. DAslr. Did you know ~vllat that xvas all about?

Air. PETERSEN. AVell, Eve rvere focusing, on the nlone~~, Stir. Dash.

Alaybe it is a poor boy syndrome but eve could not imagine holv $350,-000 avas just tossed out and nobody xvants to kllolv where it event orwhat it v-as used for and, of course, the grand jury had the poor boy

svndlome, too, I guess. They could not understand that either.

Mr. DASH. Alrere yotl alvare of the fact that Atr. Sloan told the prose

CUtOI, AIr. Sillvert, of Err. Ma(rrudet 's efl'ort to have hiln pick a di Pı'erent

sum of money that lle paid to Atr. LiddV ?

Air. PETERSEN-. I xvas IlOt aware of it at the time. I was subsequently

avvate of that and. of eoUlse? talked to pearl Silbert about it and they

event into the Rand jury.

Air. I).vsll. wrOU say sul)se(ltlelltly. MraS that prior to the indictment ?

3Ir. PRTEIRSEN-. I tililll; after AIR-. Dasll, bllt lvllat it callle dolvll to is

it lvas one on one. Thel e it novas a confli( t. S;loan xvaS a good witness in

othel respects.

AII-. D.vsll. Actually, yoll said that Arr. Dean called vou about llonvAIr. AIagrll(lel made out. Tllis xvaS, I talve it, after his fiilal apl~enrallce

before the grand jury?

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was not telling the truth, but for a prosecutor we have to go beyondthat. We did slot have any evidence to suggest it. He got on the stand,told his story, told his story to the grand jury. We could not refute it.I did not like the story but I did not have any evidence. All I could

saV is it does not add up.

Senator INOITYE. Mr. Dean in a statement before this committeetestified that he called you after Mr. Magruder's appearance before

the grand jury in August of 197-2. Did he call you, sir?

Sir. PETERSEN. Yes, sir, he did.

Senator IX-OIT1-E. He further testified that he asked you how Mr.

Maerudel's testimony went and vou xrere supposed to have responded

that Mr. Maglaldet had made it through "by the skin of his teeth."

Mr. PETERSEN-, Tllat is not correct. I remember the conversation very

Novell because, I did not know the anSxver when I)ean called. I had tocall Silbert. I did call Silbert and Silbert said. he is an artictllateyoung man. He made a good appearance, good witness ill his ownbehalf, but nobody believes the story about the money. But there isno—the grand jury did not. They just—they Revere—at,ain, that over-states it but they were uncolnl)lellendillg hoxv such a large sum ofmoneV could be given to a man and he had no requirements to filerecords 01- to account for it or explain to his Superiors llO\V it was spent.and that is the statement that I gaxe to Mr. I)ean. He made a roodwitness but the grand—nobody believes his money storV. Alld that~waswhere Eve were focusing OUR- efforts.. That is where •ve vvele concerned

becausetherecordshad been destroyed.

Senator INOUH.. I xvill read the full paraglal)ll and if I may have

your comments.

Following NIagruder's appearance before the grand jury I received a call from

Higby requesting inforlnation for Elaldeman as to hovv Magruder hall donebefore the grand jury. I subsequently ealled sir. Petersen who said he v~ould flnslout and call nle baek. Petersen ealled baek and said he had made it t}^rl)ugll laythe skin of his teeth. I ealled Haldeman and so informed him anti subsequently,informed NIitehell and Magruder. I reeall that Haldeman nas very pleased

because this meant that the investigation would not go beyond Lidd~ .

Mr. PETERSEN. I mean, I have 110 comment except that the obstlllc

tion was successftll, Senator. I mean, that is what it was. Al'e had lyingwitnesses, and, of course, that is the problem with the fortllcomin,r,prosecution. You have got people who have lied two or three timesAntler oath.

Senator INOUYE. In Julv of 1972, soon after the break-in. Mr. Alfred

Baldwin, who vsas in the hotel, I believe advised the prosecutors thaton May 30 two bugs had been placed in the Democratic National

Committee hea(lqualters.

Mr. PE'rERSEN. I am not sure of that. Senator.

Senator INOUR'E. And after the arrest thev found one bug in Larry

O'Brien's telephone. Mr. I3aldevin had notified SOUR prosecutors thatthe other one was in Mr. jSpeneel Olin er's telepliolle. For some reason

that telephone was clot searched.

On September 1:3 the C. & P. Telephone Co. made a sweep and found

this l>u~ and a few days Inter the Price President of the l nited Statesand the Attorney general suggested that this bug had been placed inthere by Democrats to confuse the issue and embarrass the

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Senator Hart. Would you have any notes that might

enable vou to be more precise on that?

Mr. Silbert. No, I don't. I have checked on that,,

Senator, and whatever notes I would have basically I have

the Special Prosecutor.

But with respect to post-indictment conversations with Sloan,

that I would not have kept notes about that and I know that

this conversation which I have just alluded took place not

before the return of the indictment, as I recall,

but after, that is,

whether or not he should take the Fifth. It was in a pre-trial context of getting his testimony ready and I would not have taken

notes.

Senator Hart. Magruder testified before the Grand Jury. What were the circumstances of Mr. Petersen calling you to find

out how Magruder had done?

Did you know he was calling at John Dean's request?

Mr. Silbert. No.

Senator Hart. Or he was going to tell John Dean whatever evaluations you gave him?

Mr. Silbert. The answer to both of those questions,

Senator Hart. Dean testified that Petersen told him

Maqruder had, this is a quote, "Made it through bv the skin

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What is your recollection of what you said?

Mr. Silbert. I don't recall using the phrase "the

skin of the teeth" at all. That is not an expression I

normallv use.

I don't recall actually putting it as strongly as

nobody believed him. My recollection is basically what I

think what I put in my prosecutive memorandum, that there

were problems because of, the way I would put it, the disturbing

vagueness of his testimony, and he had an explanation for

that and he gave it to the Grand Jury and I think their

reaction was the same as mine, you know, it was vague, and

perhaps to use Mr. Petersen's phrase, it may have been our

joint spoor boy" syndrome.

Magruder kept saying that and he was examined at

length about this in the grand Jury. Well, did you get

any accounting from Liddy for this $250,000 authorization?

Not really. Why not? He was the expert in these matters.

I was interested in advertising. That was my skill. If

you ask me about advertising, how money was spent, I kept

close tabs on that because I know and I am familiar with it.

But investigations, intelligence, I don't know anything

about that.

That was Mr. Liddy's expertise or area of expertise

and he and I didn't get along, I was afraid of him, we

operated on a different premise, we didn't communicate that

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well, and $2s(),00n was not that important to me. I was

dealing with $35 million, $10 million for advertising.

And as I said, there was a vagueness about that testimony

and that is what I tried to relay, I believe, to Mr. Peter-

sen.

There was a disturbing vagueness about his testimony

but that we had nothing substantive to counteract it to show

that it was wrong, to show it was false or it was inaccurate.

Senator Hart. Ultimately, though, you decided to

use Magruder as a key trial witness?

Mr. Silbert. Well, Senator, vou put that phrase "key"

on it. He was a witness. We did rely on him together with

Porter,to explain how Liddy got that money. But, for

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judgment, Senator.

Senator Hart. In light of this magnificent hindsight I am engaging in, would you have done it the same way?

Mr. Silbert. If I knew he was corrunitting perjury? Of course, not.

Senator Hart. At the trial Judge sirica elicited from Mr. Sloan testimony substantially as follows:

Sloan said when Magruder asked him to pay substantial

sums to Liddy, Sloan checked with his boss, Mr. stans.

52. At the end of August 1972 John Ehrlichman met with the

President and discussed what public statements the President should

make about the White House and CRP involvement in the June 17th break-

in. The President decided that he would state that there was no in-

volvement of present White House employees. On August 29, 1972 in

a press conference the President stated that John Dean, under the

President's direction, had conducted a complete investigation of all

leads that might involve any present members of the White House

staff or anybody in the Government. The President said, "I can say

categorically that his investigation indicates that no one in the

White House staff, no one in this Administration, presently employed,

was involved in this very bizarre incident.' John Dean has denied

conducting that investigation. The President also stated that the

EBI and the Department of Justice had had the total cooperation of

the White House and that CRP was continuing its investigation.

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tually the management elements of the campaign and t'nen, as I say, Ileft earlier than the others about a week or 10 davs to go and look

after the platform.

WIy belief, and I am only stating my belief, my assumption is that

prior to the commencement of the convention that idea was set asideas a poor idea because the Watergate was not our issue. It was theirissue, and one did not talk about their issue. One only tallied aboutour issues, and that we would be prejudicing the rights of individualswho might be involuted, and we could not do that, and there were otherreasons of that kind that were apparently advanced in discussion, and

it simply didn't ever get off the ground.

t~ AVe]l, I didn't forget the idea. After our convention, when the Pres-

I ident vent to California, it seemed to me still very legitimate for us| to make very clear the fact that the White House was not involved,8 even if we could not take the other leg of the argument and saV that

the Committee To Re-Elect had had a similar investigation itself. SoI discussed this with the President. He agreed that this would be avery good thing. He questioned me closely on how certain he couldbe of the soundness of that assertion and I told him what I knew datingfrom July 31 through any subsequent events, and I vouched to him

| that everything that had been reported to me corroborated that what| he was about to say if he were asked at this press conference, and soI on August 29 he went out and spoke as to the XVhite House only with

;_reRârd to this.

Now, by way of some corroboration if it is needed on the 7natter

of the Committee To Re-Elect side, BIr. Dean, in fact, wrote up afew pages of what Clark MacGregor might say if he did go out andhave a press conference on this subject. Either on the date I suggestedor some other date, and Mr. MacGregor, I think, does remember hav-ing received that memo, it was his opinion that it was very bland,innocuous, and did not make a case convincingly. BIr. MacGregor hadconducted his own inquiry at the committee and had interviewedcverylx>dy in the hierarchv over there, and had more or less satisfiedhimself, bus he did not feel he was in a position to personally vouch.

Senator G1JR:N-F.Y. Just one question there. At that time, of course,

you knew that Sir. Dean and WIr. Kalmbach were engaged in raisingmoney to pay these defendants, and we will use their version, for legal .fees and family support. Now, there was certainly some White Houseinvolvement in this business whether it was legal or illegal, it wasWhite House involvement. Did vou ever tell the President about that ?

Mr. EHR1ICHMAlf. I do not know that I ever did, Senator, and I

think the inquiry here—and I do not think this is an artificial dis-tinction—that the whole focus here at this time m-as on how this thinghappened, and we were talking about this thing being the break-in.r do not think that there was anybodv who reall,v felt that there was,at least I did not feel that there was any kind of a coverup going onat that time. I did not~it iust did not dawn on me and I consideredwhat AIr. Kalmbach was doing perfectlv proper. But the Presidentspoke to the question, "How did this break-in occur?'' And he said."Nobodv in the Brhite House had anything to do with the planningor discussion of this break-in," which was the subject that everybodysvas focusing on at that point in time and in which Mr. Dean's investi-

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1306 WEEKLY COMPILATION OF PRESIDENTIAL DOCUMENTS, SEPTEMBER 4, 1972

Withdrawal of UnitedStatesTroops From Vietnam

Statement by the White House Press SecretaryAnnouncing the Withdrawal of Additional Troops.August 29, 1972

The President asked me to announce this morning that afterconsultation with the Government of the Republic of Vietnam,and after a thorough review of the Indochina situation, PresidentNixon has decided to continue our withdrawal program to anauthorized level of 27,000 by December 1, 1972.

This new level of 27,000 which wil l be achieved byDecember 1, 1972, will bring the total number of troopswithdrawn by President Nixon to 522,000 or 95 percent of theauthorized level when President Nixon took office.

NOTE: Press Secretary Ronald L. Ziegler made the statement at his morning newsconference on Tuesday, August 29, 1972, at San Clemente, Calif. It xvas notissued in the form of a White House press release.

THE PRESIDENT'SNEWS CONFERENCE OFAUGUST 29, 1972

THE PRESIDENT. We will go right ahead with your questions,because I know you want to cover perhaps some international aswell as domestic matters, including, I understand, for the firsttime, political matters.

HANDLING OF CAMPAIGN FUNDS

Q. Mr. President, are you personally investigating themishandling of some of your campaign funds, and do you agTeewith former Secretary Connally that these charges are harmful toyour reelection?

THE PRESIDENT. Well, I commented upon this on otheroccasions, and I will repeat my position now.

With regard to the matter of the handling of campaign funds,we have a new law here in which technical violations haveoccurred and are occurring, apparently, on both sides. As far aswe are concerned, we have in charge, in Secretary Stans, a manwho is an honest man and one who is very meticulous, as I havelearned from having him as my treasurer and finance chairmanin two previous campaigns, in the handling of matters of this sort.

Whatever technical violations have occurred, certainly he willcorrect them and will thoroughly comply with the law. He isconducting any investigation on this matter, and conducting itvery, very thoroughly, because he doesn't want any evidence atall to be outstanding, indicating that we have not complied withthe law.

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INVESTICATIOXS OF CONTRIBUTIONS AND •VATERGATECASE

Q. Mr. President, wouldn't it be a good idea for a specialprosecutor, even from your standpoint, to be appointed toinvestigate the contribution situation and also the Watergate

case?

THE PRESIDENT. With regard to •vho is investigating it now,I think it would be well to notice that the FBI is conducting a fullfield investigation. The Department of Justice, of course, is incharge of the prosecution and pre

x senting the matter to the grand jury. The Senate Banking andCurrency Committee is conducting an investigation.

.- The Government Accounting Oflice, an independent agency, isconducting an investigation of those aspects which involve thecampaign spending law. Noes, •vith all of these investigationsthat are being conducted, I don't believe that adding anotherspecial prosecutor would serve anv useful purpose.

The other point that I should make is that these mvestigations,the investigation by the GAO, the investigation by the FBI, bythe Department of Justice, have, at my direction had the totalcooperation of the—not only the White House—but also of allagencies of the Government. In addition to that, within our ownstaff, under my direction, Counsel to the President, Mr. Dean,has conducted a complete investigation of all leads which mightinvolve any present members of the White House Staff oranybody in the Government. I can say categorically that hisinvestigation indicates that no one in the White House Staff, noone in this Administration, presently employed, was involved inthis very bizarre incident.

At the same time, the committee itself is conauctmg its owninvestigation, independent of the rest, because the committeedesires to clear the air and to be sure that as far as any peoplewho have responsibility for this campaign are concerned A thatthere is nothing that hangs over them. Before Mr. Mitchell left ascampaign chairman he had employed a very good law firm withinvestigatory experience to look into the matter. Mr. MacGregorhas continued that investigation and is continuing it nowS will sayin that respect that anyone on the campaign committee, Mr.MacGregor has assured me, who does not cooperate with theinvestigation or anyone against whom charges are leveled wherethere is a prima facie case that those charges might indicateinvolvement will be discharged immediately That, of course, willbe true also of anybody in the Government. I think under thesecircumstances •ve arc doing everything we can to take thisincident and to investigate it and not to cover it up. What reallyhurts in matters of this sort is not the fact that they occur, becauseoverzealous people in campaigns do things that are wrong. Whatreally hurts is if you try to cover it up. I would say that here weare, with control of the agencies of the Government andpresumably swith control of the investigator agencies of theGovernment wi th the excep t ion o f the GAO, which i sindependent. We ha e

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52.3 JOED DES TESTIMONY, NOEMBM 19, 1973, WATERGATE GS#D JURY, 48-50

Q And what did you ell Mr. Ehrlichman?

A Well, I reported to Mr. Ehrlichman everythingthat

Liddy had told me and I recall recounting back to him,trying

to put all the pieces I had available at that poLnt

together, by telling him about the meetings which had

occurred in the Attorney General's Office in January

and February of '72.

Q Those were the meetings at which Liddy

presented his intelligence programs?

A That~ 8 correct.

Q Did Mr. Ehrlichman again mention that he was

going to meet with Mr. Colson later that afternoon?

A He did. He mentioned that Mr. Colson was seeking

a meeting and that he wanted me to be present in that

meeting when it took place.

Q Did Mr. Ehrlichman also mention to you, on June

l9th at some time, that you ought to contact the Justice

Department to find out what was going on in the

investigation?

A Yes, he did.

Q

A Mr. Kleindienst and I later saw Mr.

Kleindienst.

And what did you do about that, ifanything?

I called Mr. Kleindienst and had a conversationwith

Q Now, during these first few conversations with

Mr. Ehrlichman, after the Watergate break-in, did he

instruct you to conduct an investigation and to

determine whether anyone in the White House was

responsible or had knowledge of the

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Watergate break-in? Give you a specific instruction to

conduct a Watergate investigation?

A I wouldn't say it was an instruction to conduct

an investigation. He just told me to keep my eyes and

ears open and learn what I could.

Q Did Mr. Ehrlichman, or anyone else in the

White House, ever give you a specific instruction

to conduct an

investigation into this matter, telling you that it wasyour

responsibility to make a determination of the facts and

determine whether anyone in the WhltelHouse was involved

or responsible?

A Well, I wouldn't say that it was really until

late August, when it was reported that I had conducted

such an in

~ :

vestigation, that there ever became any semblence of

such an investigation and, after that, when it had

been put on the public record that I had conducted an

investigation, I began to pretend like I had conducted

an investigation.

But I am unaware of ever being instructed to do

an investigation, because I would have proceeded much

differently if I was investigating. I W88 merely sort of

catch as catch can.

Was this -- did it naturally fall to you, as

counsel to the President, as a person who had had formal

liaison with the Justice Department, and the informal

contacts there, to be the person at the White House most

aware of what was going on

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in the Watergateinvestigation?

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A Well, with things like this, what would

generally happen is that after Mr. Haldeman and Mr.

Ehrlichman would either lose interest or get consumed

in something else, it would fall to me to be the man

to follow up and continue the

.

liaison and keep them abreast of what I waslearning.

Q Are you speaking now about legal matters and

Justices Department matters, generally?

A No, I can't say that generally, no, because,

for example, antitrust areas were something I very

seldom got

Q I mean you are not speaking simply ofWatergate?

A No, I'm not. I'm thinking of other instances

where things were rather active for a while and they

die off. I'm thinking of the Lithuanian defecter

problem, where everyone had their hands in it for a

while and then, when it fell to the dailytob of keeping

abreast of what was happening, when it wasn't in the

headlines, that was my job.

I'm thinking of the Calley case, where there

was a great flurry of activity, and when it got down to,

you know, following daily what indeed was happening to

Mr. Calley, that was my office. That's the way things

generally happened there

Q NQW, on June l9th, did you also have a meeting

with Gordon Strachan?

A Yes, I did.

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53. On September 15, 1972 the President met with H. R.Haldeman and

John Dean. Certain subjects were discussed in the courseof the

September 15, 1972meeting:

Filing of indictment against sevenWatergate defendants...............................

Manner in which Dean has handledWatergate matter...................................

Human frailties and bitterness betweenFinance Committee and Political Committee................................

Governmental power andpolitical opponents..................

White House andWatergate

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53.1 Tape recording of a meeting among thePresident, H. R. Haldeman and John Deanon September 15, 1972 and House JudiciaryCommittee transcript thereof.......

53.2 H. R. Haldeman's notes of meeting with thePresident on September 15, 1972 (receivedfrom Watergate Grand Jury).....

53.3 H. R. Haldeman's notes of listening totape recording of a meeting with thePresident and John Dean on September 15,1972 (received from Watergate GrandJury)...

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53.1 TRANSCRIPT OF SEPTEMBER 15, 1972MEETING

TRUNSCRIPT PREPARED BY THE IMPEACHMENTINQUIRY STAFF FOR THE HOUSE JUDICIARYCOMMITTEE OF A RECORDING OF A MEETING AMONGTHE PRESIDENT, H. R.7n7AT.nRMAN ANn Tn7n7NnRAN no CRPTRMRRTU 7 R l q79

PRESIDENT:[Unintelligible]

HALDEMAN: John, he is one of the quiet guys that gets a lot

done.

That was a good move, too, bringing Dean in. But

it's --

PRESIDENT: It -- He'll never, he'll never gain any ground for

us.

He's just not that kind of guy. But, he's the kind

that

enables other people to gain ground while he's

making

sure that you don't fall through the holes.

PRESIDENT: Oh. You mean --

HALDEMAN: Between times, he's doings he's moving ruthlessly

on

the investigation of McGovern people, Kennedy

stuff,

and all that toot I just zn7.'t bn>v.7 hnv7 mlloh

7Ern~rncQ

he's making, 'cause I --

PRESIDENT: The problem is that's kind of hard tofind.

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53.1 TRANSCRIPT OF SEPTEMBER 15, 19t72MEETING

HALDEMAN: Chuck, Chuck has gone through, you know, has

worked on

the list, and Dean's working the, the thing

through

IRS and, uh, in some cases, I think, some other

[unintelligible] things. He's -- He turned out to

be

tougher than I thought he would, which is what

PRESIDENT: Yeah.

HALDEMAN:

PRESIDENT:

HALDEMAN:

You put anybody else that you want to run in in the

morning, you can. [Unintelligible] I'm going to

stick around here for awhile. I don't think I can

do this finance group in the morning. I think it's

too quick after the Watergate. Let's do it next

Monday or Tuesday. That ought to be about it.

Let me check andsee.

PRESIDENT: You know who he's, uh[unintelligible]

HALDEMAN: There isn't, I don't think, anything pending, but

I'll

check.

PRESIDENT: You know, we ought to get something together.

Shriver's

put out his financial statement now, too. While

you're

at it, I'd deliberately raise mine other than in

[unintelligible]

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.

HALDEMAN:

PRESIDENT:

HALDEMAN:

PRESIDENT:

HALDEMAN:

PRESIDENT:

HALDEMAN:

PRESIDENT:

HALDEMAN:

PRESIDENT:

HALDEMAN:

Oh yeah, we're pushing that hard. The Vice

President was delighted with that.

Did he get thepoint?

Yeahabsolutely.

[Unintelligible]. Now we want -- in that regard, I

don't think he [unintelligible] wife, did she?

I don't know, but I would guess his wife probably

doesn't have any and so it won't make any

difference.

Make any dif-- shemight.

She must.

Make him reportit.

But this Shriver one, we--

The Shriver one, the -- Yeah. She'll have to

report [unintelligible] to the organization

[unintelligible] trust.

Yeah, it's all in trust. She only has about

twenty thousand dollars. Kennedy put his

stocks up, tried for the trust to put, you

know, what it was worth.

[Dean entersroom]

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PRESIDENT: Hi, how areyou?

DEAN:

PRESIDENT: Well, you had quite a day today, didn't you?

You got,

uh, Watergate, uh, on the way, huh?

DEAN:

Quite a threemonths.

HALDEMAN: How did it allend up?

DEAN:

Uh, I think we can say "Well" at this point.

The, uh, the press is playing it just as we

expect.

HALDEMAN:Whitewash?

DEAN:

No, not yet; the, the story right now--

PRESIDENT: It's a bigstory.

DEAN: Yeah.


HALDEMAN: Fiveindicted,

DEAN: Plus,

HALDEMAN: They're building up the fact that one of--

DEAN: plus two White Houseaides.

HALDEMAN: Plus, plus the White House former guy and all

that.

Thatts good. That, that takes the edge off

whitewash

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53.1 TRANSCRIPT OF SEPTEMBER 15, 19?2MEETING

really -- which -- that was the thing Mitchell

kept saying that,

PRESIDENT: Yeah.

HALDEMAN: that to those in the country, Liddy and, and, uh,

Hunt

are big men.

DEAN:

That'sright.

PRESIDENT: Yeah. They're White Houseaides.

DEAN: That's right.

HALDEMAN: And maybe that -- Yeah, maybe that'sgood.

PRESIDENT: How did MacGregor handlehimself?

DEAN: I think very well. He had a good statement. Uh, he

said

that the, uh, the Grand Jury indictment speaks for

itself

and that, uh, it's now time to realize that some

apologies

may be due.

HALDEMAN: Fat chance.[Laughs]

DEAN: Yeah.[Unintelligible].

PRESIDENT: We couldn't do that [unintelligible] just

remember all

the trouble they gave us on this. We'll have a

chance

to get back at them one day. How are you doing on

your other investigations? Your -- How does this

iunintelligible]

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•~ X 7 TRANSCRIPum no .¢FnP m7;'MR~~ 1 a; t n 7 esn~mrssrw

How does this[unintelligible]

DEAN:

HALDEMAN:

PRESIDENT:

HALDEMAN:

DEAN:

PRESIDENT:

DEAN:

[Unintelligible] end of the, uh--

What's happened on thebug?

Hard, hard to find -- on thewhat?

The bug.

The second bug. There was another bug found in the

phone of, uh, the first -

You don't think it was one left over from theprevious

job?

We're -- Absolutely not. The, the Bureau has, uh,

checked and re-checked. The man who checked the phone

first said that his first check was thorough and it

was not there in the instrument [clears throat] and

that indeed it had to be planted after -

PRESIDENT: What the hell do you think is involved? What's

your

guess?

DEAN:

I think the DNC planted it, quite

clearly.

PRESIDENT: You think they didit?

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53.1 TRANSCRIPT OF SEPTEMBER 15. 1972MEETING

DEAN: Uh huh.

PRESIDENT: Deliberately?

DEAN:

[Unintelligible]

PRESIDENT: Well, what in the name of Christ -- who do they

think --

that anybody was -- They really Unintelligible]

want to

believe that we planted that?

HALDEMAN: Did they get anything on thefingerprints?

DEAN: No they[unintelligible]

HALDEMAN: There weren'tany?

DEAN: neither on the telephone or on the, uh, on the bug.

The,

uh, well, the FBI has unleashed a full blast

investigation

over at the DNC starting with O'Brien right now.

HALDEMAN: [Laughs] Using the same crews now that they

have

nothing to do in Washington.

[Unintelligible] the same Washington FieldOffice.

PRESIDENT: What are they doing? Asking them what kind ofquestions?

DEAN:

Anything that they can think of because what

happened, OtBrien has charged the Bureau with

failing to, uh, find all the, all the bugs,

whenever [unintelligible]

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HALDEMAN: Good, that'll make themmad.

DEAN:

So, so, Gray is pissed now and his people are

kind of pissed off. So they're moving in because

their reputation's on the line. That's, uh, do

you think that's a good development?

PRESIDENT: I think that's a good development because it

makes it

look so God damned phony, doesn't it? The whole

--

DEAN:

Absolutely.

PRESIDENT: Or am Iwrong?

DEAN: No, no sir. It, it --

PRESIDENT:

DEAN:

-_ lookssilly.

If we can, if we can find that the DNC planted that,

the whole story is going to -- the whole -- just

will reverse.

PRESIDENT: But how could they, how could you possibly

find it,

though?

DEAN:

PRESIDENT: Oh.

DEAN:

Well, there's a way. They're, they're trying to

ascertain who made the bug.

If they -- It's a custom-madeproduct.

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PRESIDENT:

DEAN:

PRESIDENT:

DEAN:

PRESIDENT:

DEAN:

HALDEMAN:

PRESIDENT:

HALDEMAN:

PRESIDENT:

HALDEMAN:


Oh .

If they can get back to the man who

manufactured it, then they can find out who he

sold it to, and how it came down through the

chain.

Boy, you know, you never know. When those guys

get after it, they can find it. They -

The resources that have been put against this

whole investigation to date are really

incredible. It's truly a, it's truly a larger

investigation than was conducted against, uh,

the after inquiry of the JFK assassination.

Oh.

And good statistics supporting that.

Kleindlenst is going to have a -

Isn't that ridiculousthough?

What is?

This silly ass damn

thing.

Yeah.

That kind of resources against--

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PRESIDENT: Yeah for Christ's sake[unintelligible]

HALDEMAN: Who the hellcares?

PRESIDENT: Goldwater put it in context, he said "Well,

for

Christ's sake, everybody bugs everybody else.

We

know that."

DEAN: That was, that waspriceless.

HALDEMAN: Yeah. I bugged --

PRESIDENT: Well, it's true. It happens to be totallytrue.

DEAN:

[Unintelligible]

PRESIDENT: We were bugged in '68 on the plane and bugged in

'62,

uh, even running for Governor. God damnedest thing

you

ever saw.

DEAN: It was a shame that, that, evidence to the fact that

that

happened in '68 was never preserved around. I

understand

that only the former Director had that information.

HALDEMAN: No, that's nottrue.

DEAN:

PRESIDENT: Yeah.

There was direct evidence ofit?

HALDEMAN: There's others who have thatinformation.

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53.1 TRANSCRIPT OF SEPTEMBER 15, 1972 MEETING

PRESIDENT: Others know it.

DEAN:

DeLoach?

PRESIDENT: DeLoach, right.

HALDEMAN: I've got some stuff on it, too, in the bombing halt

study.

Cause itts all -- that's why, the, the stuff I've got

we don't --

PRESIDENT: The difficulty with using it, of course, is

that it

reflects on Johnson.

DEAN: Right.

PRESIDENT: He ordered it. If it weren't for that, I'd use it.

Is

there any way we could use it without reflecting on

Johnson? How -- Now, could we say, could we say that

the

Democratic National Committee did it? No, the FBI

did

the bugging, though.

HALDEMAN:problem.

DEAN:

Is it going to reflect on Johnson orHumphrey?

HALDEMAN: Johnson. Humphrey didn't doit.

DEAN:

Humphrey didn't doit?

PRESIDENT: Oh, hell no.

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HALDEMAN: He was bugging Humphrey, too.[Laughs]

PRESIDENT: Oh, God damn.

HALDEMAN: [Laughs]

PRESIDENT: Well, on the other hand, maybe, uh -- I'll tell you who

to call. I want you to ask Connally. Whatever he thinks,

maybe we ought to just, just let that one fly. I mean,

I don't think he will, I don't think he will

[unintelligible]

Johnson. [Unintelligible]. And also it reflects on the

Bureau. [Unintelligible]

DEAN:[Unintelligible]

PRESIDENT: They, they, they hate to admit that--

HALDEMAN-: It's a rough one on them with, with all this stuff

about

they don't do Congressmen, and all that

PRESIDENT:

HALDEMAN: sort of stuff[unintelligible]

PRESIDENT:

HALDEMAN: do a presidential[unintelligible]

PRESIDENT: It isn't worth it. It isn't worth it, damn it. It

isn't

worth -- the hell with it. What is the situation on

your,

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53 1 TRANSCRIPT OF SEPTEMBER 15, 1972 MEETING.

uh, on the, on the little red box? Did they findwhat

the hell that, that is? Have they found the boxyet?

DEAN:

Gray has never had access to the box. He is now going

to pursue the box. I spoke with him just, just about,

uh, oh, thirty minutes ago and Pat said, "I don't know

about the box. Uh, don't know where it is now. We never

had an opportunity before, when it was, first, uh,

released in the press there was a box, to go in. But,"

he said, "I think we have grounds now to go in and find

out what it's all about."

HALDEMAN: The last public story was that she handed it

over to

Edward Bennett Williams.

DEAN:

That'sright.

PRESIDENT: Perhaps the Bureau ought to go over--

HALDEMAN: The Bureau ought to go into Edward Bennett

Williams and

let's start questioning that son-of-a-bitch. Keep

him

tied up for a couple of weeks.

PRESIDENT: Yeah, I hope they do. They -- The Bureau betterget

over pretty quick and get that red box. We wantit +

cleared up. [Unintelligible]

DEAN:

That's exactly theway

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PRESIDENT:

HALDEMAN:

DEAN:

PRESIDENT:

DEAN:

PRESIDENT:

DEAN:

PRESIDENT: Did he?

DEAN:

We want it cleared up. We want to get to the

bottom of it. If anybody is guilty over here we

want to know.

[Unintelligible] in the news.ILaughs]

Another interesting thing that's developed is,

regarding the private litigation we've got is, uh,

the Stans' libel action was assigned to Judge

Richey.

Oh, Christ.

Well, now, that's good and bad. Uh, Judge

Richey is not known to be one of the intellects

on the bench. That's conceded by many that he

is uh, uh -

[Unintelligible] in his own stupid way he'ssort of,

uh -

Well, he's been thoroughly candid in his dealing

with people about the case. He's made several

entrees, uh, off the bench, to, to, uh, (1) to

Kleindienst3 (2) to, uh, his old friend Roemer

McPhee, to keep Roemer abreast of what his

thinking is. He told Roemer he thought that Maury

ought to file a libel action.

[LaughsJ

PRESIDENT: Good.

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DEAN: Uh--

HALDEMAN: Well, can he deal with that case concurrently

with the

other case?

DEAN:

Yeah. The, the fact that the, the civil case came

to a halt, that the depositions were halted and he

-

HALDEMAN: opened his calendar for a fewdays.

DEAN:

Well, it did that, and more than that. He had been

talking to Silbert, and Silbert, uh, the U. S.

Attorney down here the Assistant U. S. Attorney was

saying, "We are going to have a hell of a time

drawing these indictments up because of the fact

these civil depositions keep coming out and the Grand

Jury's got one eye on this civil case because they

don't want to get themselves caught, uh, coming out

with indictments and the civil case'll do something

differently, so -

UNIDENTIFIED: Would you like to take Clark now,sir?

HALDEMAN: MacGregor'scall?

PRESIDENT: Yeah. Go ahead.

DEAN:

So, based, based on that, uh, uh, when Silbert hadtold

Richey this and had a casual encounter -- in fact,uh, it

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53.1 TRANSCRIPT OF SEPTEMBER 15, 1972 MEETING_ .

was just in the hall -- Richey, the next thing he

does is he stops the civil case so Silbert can get

the indictment down.

[Telephonerings]

PRESIDENT: Hm.

DEAN:

So it's, it's, uh -- he's got, he's got the abuse of

Process suit also. [Unintelligible]

PRESIDENT: Yeah. Hello.

Well you still alive?

Yeah, yeah.

I was just sitting here with John Dean and he tells

me

that, uh, that you, that you're going to probably be

sued

or some damn thing, I don't know.

DEAN orHALDEMAN: Oh, God. Now don't saythat.

PRESIDENT: Did you put that last bug in?

Yeah. [Unintelligible] suit.

[Unintelligible]. Yeah.

Yeah.

Thatts right, that's right.

[Unintelligible]

Yeah.

Good.

Sure.

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Well, I'll tell you, uh, just don't let this keep

you or your colleagues from concentrating on the

big game. Yeah, that's right. I mean this, uh,

this thing is just, uh, you know, one of those

side issues and a month later everybody looks

back and wonders what the hell the shouting was

about. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, well, anyway get a good

night's sleep. And don't don't bug anybody

without asking me. Okay? Yeah.

DEAN:

Three months ago I would have had trouble predicting

where we'd be today. I think that I can say that

fifty-four days from now that, uh, not a thing will

come crashing down to our, our surprise.

PRESIDENT: Say what?

DEAN:

Nothing is going to come crashing down to our surprise,either --

PRESIDENT: Well, the whole thing is a can of worms. As you know, alot

of this stuff went on. And, uh, and, uh, and the peoplewho

worked [unintelligible] awfully embarrassing. And, uh,and,

the, uh, but the, but the way you, you've handled it, itseems

to me, has been very skillful, because you -- puttingyour

fingers in the dikes every time that leaks have sprunghere and

sprung there. [Unintelligible] having people straightenthe

[unintelligible]. The Grand Jury is dismissed now?

DEAN:

That is correct. They'll, they will have completedand

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.

they will let them go, so there will no continued

investigation prompted by the Grand Jury's inquiry.

The, uh, GAO report that was referred over to Justice

is on a shelf right now because they have hundreds of

violations. They've got violations of McGovern's;

they've got violations of Humphrey's; they've got

Jackson violations, and several hundred Congressional

violations. They don't want to start prosecuting one

any more than they want the other. So that's, uh -

PRESIDENT: They damn well not prosecute us unless they

prosecute all

the others.

DEAN:

That's right. That's right. Well, we are really

talking about technical violations that were

referred over also.

PRESIDENT: Sure. Sure. What about, uh, uh, watching the

McGovern

contributors and all that sort of thing?

DEAN:

PRESIDENT: Yeah.

DEAN:

We've got a, we've got a hawk's eye onthat.

And, uh, uh, he is, he is not in fullcompliance.

PRESIDENT: He isn't?

DEAN: No.

PRESIDENT: Well, now, he has his three-hundred committees; have

they

all reported yet? Have we -- we reported ours

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DEAN:

Yes we -- Well, we have a couple of delinquent

state committees out, uh -

PRESIDENT: [Unintelligible] if it's done,huh?

DEAN:

If they -

PRESIDENT: [Unintelligible] paper committees all reported,

the

three-hundred or so committees he's supposed to

have.

DEAN:

No, they havenot.

PRESIDENT: Can we say something about that, or havewe?

DEAN:

Well, one of the things that he has not done, is he

has never disclosed the fact that he's got some

three-hundred committees. This has been a Wall

Street Journal piece that picked it up and

carried it and, uh -

PRESIDENT: [Unintelligible] say thatpublicly?

DEAN:

No, he hasn't. And it's been employed as a tax sham that

he set it up for. And -- It is hard to comprehend why he

set up three-hundred committees, frankly. Uh, he doesn't

need that many, he doesn't have that sort of large

contributors, where they have to disburse small

[unintelligible]

HALDEMAN: Unless someone's giving nine hundred thousanddollars.

DEAN:

That'sright.

PRESIDENT: Which could be verypossible.

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HALDEMAN:

PRESIDENT:

HALDEMAN:

PRESIDENT:

HALDEMAN:

PRESIDENT:

DEAN:

PRESIDENT: Union?

DEAN:

He may be getting nine hundred thousand dollars

from somebody.

From two or three. He may have some big angels. I

don't think he is getting a hell of a lot of small

money. I don't think so. I don't believe this crap.

I mean if he -- Have you had your Post Office check

yet?

That John was going to do. I don'tknow.

That's an interesting thing tocheck.

Yeah.

You know how little[unintelligible]

[Unintelligible] is right, because as I see it, now,

the only problems that, uh, that we have are, are the

human problems and we'll keep a close eye on that.

Human.

PRESIDENT: Oh.

DEAN:

[Unintelligible]

HALDEMAN: People -- Human frailties, where people fall


DEAN:

Human frailties -- people getting annoyed and

some finger-pointing and false accusations, and

any internal dissension of that nature.

PRESIDENT: You mean on thiscase?

DEAN:

On this case. Uh, there is some bitterness between,

for example, the Finance Committee and the Political

Committee. They feel that they're taking all the

heat, and, and, uh, all the people upstairs are bad

people and they're not being recognized.

PRESIDENT: Ridiculous.

DEAN: It is -- I mean --

PRESIDENT: They're all in ittogether.

DEAN: That's right.

PRESIDENT: They should just, uh, just behave and, and, recognize

this, this is, again, this is war, We're getting a few

shots

and it'll be over. And, we'll give them a few shots,

It'll be over. Don't worry. [Unintelligible], I

wouldn't want to be on the other side right now. Would

you? I wouldn't want to be in Edward Bennett Williams',

Williams' position after this election.


DEAN: No. No.

PRESIDENT: None of these bastards --

DEAN:

PRESIDENT: Yeah?

DEAN:

He, uh, he's done some rather unethical things that have come to

light already, which in a- again, Richey has brought to our

attention.

He went down --

HALDEMAN: Keep a log on all that.

DEAN: Oh, we are, on these. Yeah.

PRESIDENT:

HALDEMAN:

PRESIDENT:

HALDEMAN:

DEAN:

PRESIDENT:

DEAN:

PRESIDENT:

Yeah.

Because afterwards that is a guy,

We're going after him.

that is a guy we've got to ruin.

He had, he had an ex parte -

You want to remember, too, he's an attorney for the

Washington Post.

I'm well aware of that.

I think we are going to fix the son-of-a-bitch.

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Believe me. We are going to. We've got to, because

he's a bad man.

DEAN:

Absolutely.

PRESIDENT: He misbehaved very badly in the Hoffa matter.

Our --

some pretty bad conduct, there, too, but go

ahead.

DEAN:

Well, that's, uh, along that line, uh, one of the

things

I've tried to do, is just keep notes on a lot of

the

people who are emerging as,

PRESIDENT: That's right.

DEAN:

PRESIDENT: Great.

DEAN:

as less than ourfriends.

Because this is going to be over someday and

they're -We shouldn't forget the way some of them

have treated us.

PRESIDENT: I want the most, I want the most comprehensive

notes on

all of those that have tried to do us in. Because

they

didn't have to do it.

DEAN:

That'sright.

PRESIDENT: They didn't have to do it. I mean, if the thing

had been a clo--, uh, they had a very close

election

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everybody on the other side would understand thisgame.

But now they are doing this quite deliberately and theyare

asking for it and they are going to get it. And this,this--

We, we have not used the power in this first four

years, as you know.

DEAN:

That'sright.

PRESIDENT: We have never used it. We haven't used the Bureau

and we

haven't used the Justice Department, but things are

going

to change now. And they're going to change, and, and

they're going to get it right __

DEAN:

That's an excitingprospect.

PRESIDENT: It's got to be done. It's the only thing todo.

HALDEMAN: We've got to.

PRESIDENT: Oh, oh, well, we've just been, we've been just Goddamn

fools. For us to come into this election campaign

and not do anything with regard to the Democratic

Senators who are running, and so forth.

[Characterizations

deleted] That'd be ridiculous. Absolutely

ridiculous. It's not going, going to be that way

any more, and,

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HALDEMAN:

PRESIDENT:

HALDEMAN:

PRESIDENT:

HALDEMAN:

DEAN:

PRESIDENT:

DEAN:

PRESIDENT:

DEAN:

Really, it's ironic, you know, because we've gone

to such extremes to do every --. You know, you, you

and your damn regulations with

Right.

Everybody worriesabout,

That'sright.

about picking up a hotel bill oranything.

Well, I think, we can, I think, I think we can be

proud of the White House staff. It really has,

That'sright.

had no problems of that--

Well, that'sright.

And they're looking, this GAO audit that's going on

right now, uh, I think that they have got some

suspicion, uh, in even a cursory investigation, which

is not going to discover anything, that they're going

to find something here. I learned today, incidentally,

that, that, uh, I haven't confirmed this because it's

-- came from the GO, GAO auditor, investigator who's

down here, that he is down here at the Speaker of the

House's request, which surprised me.

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HALDEMAN: Well, God damn the Speaker of the House. Maybewe

better put a little heat on him.

PRESIDENT: I think sotoo.

HALDEMAN: Because he's got a lot worse problems than he's

going

to find down here.

DEAN: That's right.

PRESIDENT:

HALDEMAN:

PRESIDENT:

HALDEMAN:

PRESIDENT:

HALDEMAN:

PRESIDENT:

HALDEMAN:

I know.

Thatts the kind of thing--

[Unintelligible] let the police department[unintelligible]

That's the kind of thing that, you know, you --

What we really ought to do is call the Speaker and

say, "I regret to see you ordering GAO down here

because of what it's going to cause us to require

to do to you."

Why don't you just have Harlow go see him and tell himthat?

Because he wouldn't doit.

Huh?

'Cause he wouldn't doit.

PRESIDENT: Harlow wouldn't do it, youmean.

HALDEMAN: Harlow would say, "Mr. Speaker --"

PRESIDENT:Yeah.

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.

DEAN:

PRESIDENT:

DEAN:

I, I suppose the other area we are going to some

publicity on in the coming weeks because, uh, I

think after the, now that the indictments are down,

there's going to be a cresting on that. The

whitewash charge of course, but, uh, I think we can

handle that while the civil case is in abeyance. But

Patman's hearings, uh, his Banking and Currency

Committee, and we've got to -- whether we will be

successful or not in turning that off, I don't know.

We've got a plan whereby Rothblatt and Bittman, who

are counsel for the five men who were, or actually a

total of seven, that were indicted today, are going

to go up and visit every member and say, "If you

commence hearings you are going to jeopardize the

civil rights of these individuals in the worst way,

and they'll never get a fair trial," and the like,

and try to talk to members on, on that level. Uh -

Why not ask that they request to be heard by,

by the Committee and explain it publicly?

How could they -- They've planned that what they're

going to say is, "If you do commence with these

hearings, we plan to publicly come up and say what

you're doing to the rights of individuals." Something

to that effect.

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PRESIDENT: As a matter of fact they could even make amotion in

court to get the thing dismissed.

DEAN:

That's another thing we're doing isto, is

PRESIDENT: Because these hearings--

DEAN:

bring an injunctive action against, uh, the appearance,say --

HALDEMAN: Well, going the other way, the dismissal of the, of

the, of

the indictment --

PRESIDENT: How about trying to get the criminal cases, criminal

charges

dismissed on the grounds that there, well, you know --

HALDEMAN: The civil rights typestuff.

DEAN:

Civil rights -- Well that, we're working again, we've

got somebody approaching the ACLU for these guys, and

have them go up and exert some pressure because we just

don't want Stans up there in front of the cameras with

Patman and Patman asking all these questions. It's just

going to be the whole thing, the press going over and

over and over again. Uh, one suggestion was that

Connally is, is close to Patman and probably if anybody

could talk turkey to Patman, uh, Connally might be able

to. Now I don't know if that's, uh, a good idea or not.

I don't think he -- don't know if he can. Uh, Gerry Ford

is not really taking an active interest in this matter

that, that is developing, so Stans can go see Gerry

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Ford and try to brief him and explain to him the

problems he's got. And then the other thing we are

going to do is we're looking at all the campaign

reports of every member of that Committee because

we are convinced that none of them have probably

totally complied with the law either. And if they

want to get into it, if they want to play rough,

some day we better say, "Well, gentlemen, we think

we ought to call to your attention that you haven't

complied A, B. C, D, E, and F. and we're not going

to hold that a secret if you start talking campaign

violations here."

PRESIDENT: Uh, what about Ford? Do you think so?

{Unintelligible]

do anything with Patman? Connally can't be sent up

there.

HALDEMAN:[Unintelligible]

PRESIDENT:

DEAN: If anybody can do it--

PRESIDENT: [Unintelligible]Patman.

DEAN:

But if, if Ford can get the minority

members, uh, together on that one, it's

going to be a lot -

PRESIDENT: They've got very weak man in Widnall,

unfortunately.

Heckler is all right.

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. .

HALDEMAN: Heckler wasgreat.

DEAN:

She was great, with, uh--

PRESIDENT: Thatts what I understand, but you see, Widnall -- let's

take

somebody -- Gerry could talk to him. Put it down, uh,

Gerry should talk to Widnall and, uh, just brace him,

tell him I thought it was [unintelligible] start

behaving.

Not let him be the chairman of the Committee in the

House.

That's what you want?

DEAN:

That would be very helpful, to get our minority

side at least together on the thing.

PRESIDENT: Gerry has really got to lead on this. He's got to

be

really be [unintelligible]

HALDEMAN: Gerry should, damn it. This is exactly the thing

he

was talking about, that the reason they are

staying

in is so that they can


HALDEMAN: runinvestigations.

PRESIDENT: Well, the point is that they ought to raise hell

about

this, uh, this -- these hearings are jeopardizing

the --

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I don't know that they're, that the, the, the

counsel calling on the members of the Committee

will do much good. I was, I -- it may be all

right but -- I was thinking that they really

ought to blunderbuss in the public arena. It

ought to be publicized.

DEAN: Right.

HALDEMAN: Good.

DEAN: Right.

PRESIDENT: That's what this is, publicrelations.

DEAN:

PRESIDENT: Yeah.

DEAN:

Thatts. that's all it is, particularly if Patman

pulls the strings off, uh -- Thatts the last

forum that, uh, uh, it looks like it could be a

problem where you just have the least control the

way it stands right now. Kennedy has also

suggested he may call hearings of his

Administrative Practices and Procedure

Subcommittee. Uh, as, as this case has been all

along, you can spin out horribles that, uh, you,

you can conceive of, and so we just don't do

that. I stopped doing that about, uh, two months

ago.

We just take one at a time and you deal with itbased

on -

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PRESIDENT: And you really can't just sit and worryyourself

DEAN: No.

PRESIDENT: about it all the time, thinking, "The worst may

happen,"

but it may not. So you just try to button it up as

well

as you can and hope for the best. And,

DEAN:

Well if Bob--

PRESIDENT: and remember that basically the damn thing is just

one of those unfortunate things and we're trying to

cut

our losses.

DEAN:

Well, certainly that's right and certainly it

had no

effect on you. That's the, the good thing.

HALDEMAN: It reallyhasn't.


HALDEMAN: No, it hasn't. It has been kept away from the White

House almost completely and from the President

totally.

The only tie to the White House has been the Colson

effort

they keep trying to haul in.

DEAN:

And now, ofcourse,

HALDEMAN: That's fallingapart.

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DEAN:

HALDEMAN: No.

the two former White House people, low level,

indicted, one consultant and one member of the

Domestic Council staff. That's not very much of a

tie.

PRESIDENT: Well, their names have been alreadymentioned.

DEAN:

Oh, they've been --

PRESIDENT: Voluminousaccounts.

HALDEMAN: And it's, it's been discounted--

PRESIDENT: You know, they've already been convicted in thepress.

DEAN: Absolutely.

HALDENAN:

PRESIDENT:

DEAN:

Yep.

God damn it, if they'd been communists you'd have

the Washington Post and the New York Times raising

hell about their civil rights.

That'sright.

PRESIDENT: Or Manson.

DEAN:

Thattsright.

PRESIDENT: Jesus Christ. If they'd been killers, wouldn't--

DEAN:

That's right.

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PRESIDENT: Isn't thattrue?

DEAN:

It's absolutelytrue.

PRESTDENT: These poor bastards are -- well they've been --

they've

got no way they can ever -- In fact, they ought to

move

the, uh, move the trial away from the --

DEAN:

PRESIDENT: Yeah.

Well, there has been extensive clipping by the

counsel in this case, and I've gone through some

of these clippings and it's just phenomenal the,

uh,

DEAN: the amount of coverage this case is getting. They

may

never get a fair trial, may never get a fair trial.

They may never get a jury that can convict them or

pull

it together. And the Post, as you know, has got a,

a, a

real large team that they've assigned to do nothing

but

this,

PRESIDENT: Sure.

DEAN:

PRESIDENT: Sure.

this case. Couldn't believe they put Maury Stans'

story about his libel suit, which was just playing

so heavily on the networks last night, and in the

evening news, they put it way back on about page

eight of the Post

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-

DEAN:

and didn't even cover it as a -- intotal.

PRESIDENT: I expect that. That's all right. We've[unintelligible]

HALDEMAN: The Post is --

PRESIDENT: The Post has asked -- it's going to have itsproblems.

HALDEMAN:[Unintelligible]

DEAN:

The networks, the networks are Rood with Maury

coming back three days in a row and -

PRESIDENT: Thatts right. Right. The main thing is the Post is

going to have damnable, damnable problems out of thisone.

They have a television station

DEAN: That's right, theydo.

PRESIDENT:

HALDEMAN:

PRESIDENT:

DEAN:

and they're going to have to get itrenewed.

They've got a radio station,too.

Does that come up too? The point is, when does it

come up?

I don't know. But the practice of non-licensees

filing on top of licensees has certainly gotten

more,


DEAN:

more active in the, in thearea.

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PRESIDENT: And it's going to be God damn activehere.

DEAN:

[Laughs]

PRESIDENT: Well, the game has to be played awfully rough. I

don't

know -- Now, you, you'll follow through with -- who

will

over there? Who -- Timmons, or with Ford, or --

How's

it going to operate?

HALDEMAN: I'll talk to Bill. I think --yeah.

DEAN:

Dick Cook has beenworking

HALDEMAN orPRESIDENT:[Unintelligible]

DEAN: on it.

HALDEMAN: Cook is theguy.

DEAN:

Dick has been working onit.

PRESIDENT: Maybe Mitchell should--

HALDEMAN: Well, maybe Mitchell ought to -- would, could

Mitchell

do it?

PRESIDENT: No.

DEAN:

PRESIDENT: No.

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I don't really think that would begood.

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DEAN:

PRESIDENT: Yeah.

DEAN:

I hate to draw himin.

I think Maury can talk to Ford if that will do any

good, but it won't have the same impact, of course,

'cause he's the one directly involved, but I think

Maury ought to brief Ford at some point on, on

exactly what his whole side of the story is.

HALDEMAN: I'll talk toCook.

PRESIDENT: Oh, I think Ehrlichman should talk to him.

Ehrlichman

understands the law, and the rest, and should say,

"Now

God damn it, get the hell over with this."

HALDEMAN: Is that a good idea? Maybe itis.

PRESIDENT: I think maybe that's the thing to do

[unintelligible].

This is, this is big, big play. I'm getting into

this

thing. So that he -- he's got to know that it comes

from

the top.

HALDEMAN: Yeah.

PRESIDENT: That's what he's got to

know,

DEAN: Right.

PRESIDENT: and if he [unintelligible] and we're not going to

my I

can't talk to him myself -- and that he's got to

get at

this and screw this thing up while he can, right?

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53.1 TRARSCR2T OF SEPTEMBER 15, 1972METING

DEAN:

PRESIDENT:

DEAN:

Well, if we let that slide up there with the

Patman Committee it'd be just, you know, just

a tragedy to let Patman have a field day up

there.

What's the first move? When does he call his

wit-- , witnesses?

Well, he, he has not even gotten the vote of his

Committee; he hasn't convened his Committee yet on

whether he can call hearings. That's why, come Monday

morning, these attorneys are going to arrive, uh, on

the doorstep of the Chairman and try to tell him what

he's doing if he proceeds. Uh, one of the members,

Gary Brown, uh, wrote Kleindienst a letter saying,

"If the Chairman holds Committee hearings on this,

isn't this going to jeopardize your criminal case?"

PRESIDENT: Brown's a smart fellow. He's from, he's fromMichigan

DEAN:

That'sright.

PRESIDENT: and some tie into Ford. He's very, he's a very smart

fellow.

Good.

DEAN:

Good lawyer and he's being helpful. He is

anxious to help.

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53.1 TRANSCRIPT OF ZZEGER 15, 1972 STING-

PRESIDENT: Right, just tell him that, tell, tell, tellEhrlichman

to get Brown in and Ford in and then they can allwork

out something. But, they ought to get off theirasses

and push it. No use to let Patman have a free ridehere.

DEAN: Well, we can, we can keep them well briefed on

moves

if they'll, if they'll move when we provide them

with

the, the strategy. And we will have a raft

of depositions going the other way soon. We will

be

hauling the, the, O'Briens in and the like, and,

uh, on

our abuse of process suit.

PRESIDENT: What are you going to ask him?

[unintelligible]

questions?

DEAN: No. This fellow, this fellow Rothblatt, who has started

deposing, uh, he's quite a character. He's been setting

into

the sex life of some of the members of the DNC and --

PRESIDENT: Why? How can -- What's hisjustification?

DEAN: Well, he's working on an entrapment theory that, uh,

uh,

they were hiding something or they had secret

informa-

tion, affairs to hide and they, they could, some

way,

conspire to bring this thing about themselves.

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-

It's a, it's a way-out theory that, uh, no

one had [unintelligible]

HALDEMAN: {Laughs]

DEAN:

Uh, and he, he had scheduled Patricia Harris and she

didn't show up. She went to the beauty parlor instead

so he went down to the Court House and she had, had

been directed to show up and then the next day the

Judge cut all the depositions off. But he had a host

of wild questions including, you know, where O'Brien

got his compensation when he was Chairman. Not that

he knows anything about that, but, uh, it was just an

interesting question he thought he might want to ask

the, the Chairman under oath.

HALDEMAN: That's -- It gives us, uh, the same hunting license

that

it gave them.

DEAN:

That'sright.

HALDEMAN: So we can play the same game they are playing,

but we

ought to be able to do better at it.

PRESIDENT: Well --

HALDEMAN: Are those depositionssealed?

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DEAN: That's right.

HALDEMAN: They are?

DEAN:

PRESIDENT: Yeah.

DEAN:

But that argues that, uh, they won't want them

unsealed. They'll want them unsealed less than we

will, and we may be arguing at some point to get

them unsealed.

I think what's going to happen on the civil case is

the Judge is going to dismiss the pending complaint

down there right now. They will then turn around and

file a new complaint which will be [unintelligible]

come back to Richey again. That, uh, thatell probably

happen the twentieth, twenty-first, twenty-second.

Then twenty days will run until any answers will have

to be filed and these depositions will be commenced so

we're, what, we're eating up an awful lot of time for

those next fifty-four days.

HALDEMAN: On the otherside.

PRESIDENT: Why will they have to dismiss thepresent --

DEAN:

Uh, probably on, on a dual ground, uh, both on

the substantive ground that they haven't stated a

good cause

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of action -- that there is a improper class action

filed and that O'Brien indeed doesn't represent

any class. Uh, and he'll just dismiss it on the

merits. It's not a good complaint. He's already

shaved it down to almost nothing on his original

order. They will then have to re-design it into a

much narrower action, but the Judge himself can't

suggest something to counsel. But it's -- you've

got a good res judicata argument here. If he

dismisses on the merits, uh, that they can't file

another suit. They're out of the court totally.

HALDEMAN: But our suits do stillhang?

DEAN: Our suits are still -- We have two suits, and we

have

the abuse of process and

HALDEMAN: -- the libel --

DEAN:

the libelsuit.

HALDEMAN: We can take depositions on both ofthose?

DEAN: Absolutely.

PRESIDENT: Hell yes.

HALDEMAN: [Laughs]

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PRESIDENT: [Unintelligible]depositions.

DEAN: It's a, it's a glimmer down the road anyway,

but,

uh --

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53.2 H.R. HALDEMAN NOTES OR SEPTEABER 15, 1972MEETING

Indistinct documentretyped byHouse Judiciary Committeestaff

LOWER PORTION OF PAGE 2 OF H R HALDEMAN'SNOTES

OF SEPTEMBER 15, 1972

John Dean

Ask Conn if we shed let outthe

68 bugging

E P.O. ck re McGmail?

T/Cook Ford - brace Widnallre

Patman hearings

E

must get minority togetherraise hell re jeopardizing

defendants

P. can't talk to you-but it must be done

E get Garry Brown & Fordin

December 19,1973

I hereby certify that the above is a true copy ofthe pen and ink notes of H. R. Haldeman relating tothe meeting between the President, Mr. Haldeman & JohnW. Dean, III, on September 15, 1972, in the Ovaloffice from 5:27 to 6:17 PM, submitted as Item IV B.White House Analyses.

JAMES F DAVEY,Clerk

ByJames P CapitanioDeputy Clerk

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Sept 15, 1972

Wgt on tvP - Hi how are yu

- well you had quite a day today wa[unreadable]D - quite a 3

mos. -went well - press playing as we'd expectNot whitewash -

Mac hdld well -

the other bug - O'B's complaintmaybe DNC planted that - wld blow itresources agst invstg are incredible - grtst sinceKen

we were bugged in '68 & '62D - shame '68 evid not aroundH - Others know it tooP - trbl w/ using is it reflects on LBJ

ask Conn what he thks - shld we useit not worth it - too many probs

q. re little red box - D DK where it stds w/FBI

re Richey - both good &bad wl keep R McPheeabrast

told McPhee Stans shld file libel actionRichey tlkd to Silbert - re civ case

depositions

takes Mac. call don't let this keep youfrom the big game it's just a sideissue

lose voice sound - then picksup

Page two

nothing wl come out to our surprise

P-way you hdld very skilful - kept finger ondike

no cont. invstg. of SJGAO report on shelf have 100's of violations

{hat about watching McG contribsD - we have hawk's eye on that

have a few violations - of comms.etc tax sham re 300 comms -doesn't need

P - re post office ck on McG mail - # of pieces(to see whether getting lot of small contribs)D. - have human probs - get annoyed - finger ptg -

[unreadable] ic bitterness btn fin. comm & pol. comm.P. - they shld all work together

H-

Keep a log on vieffi what the Demsdo

D - tried to keep notes on people emerging who are not[unreadable]P - want comp. notes on those who tried to do us

in cause didn't have to do it they'regoing to get it we haven't used Bur &Just - but that wl chg

D-that's an exciting prospect

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Page three D - can be proud of WH staff has no probs -GAO audit - Spkr sent him to audit WH -H - we shld put heat on himshod fight backD - pub wl be whitewash chgnow Patman hearings

p _

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P analyzes members of Comm.D - that's the last forum Kenn may do something

can spin out horribles - stopped doingthat just take one at time P - worst mayhappen - can't plan on that D - its hadno effect on P

H - kept away frm WH almost completely - Ptotally Cots. effort fell thru

D - two low levels indicted may never get fair trialPost wl have probs - TV stn renewed - radio stntoo has to be played rough - re Patman who wlfl thru - cld M - no

Page four P - maybe E shld talk to Ford - get at this & screw itup

D. Gerry Brown wrote Kldst ltr - very helpful

D - re depositions of Dems - that they conspired to dothisH gives us the same hunting license theyhave

Page five P - maybe E shld talk to Ford - get at this & screw itup

D. Gerry Brown wrote Kldst ltr - very helpful

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P - lks forward to Just. undercontrol

ref IRS doing himD - can't get Kimmelman's file - [unreadable]

Shultz prob - so many Dens - we can't get inround & round for two years

H - don't take risk before elect - after f/ucomplaints

disc. of cleaning house - after elect need aplan to chaff appts - have to do it fast allresigs rt. after elections H - project goingfull tilt


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54. On October 5, 1972 the President held a press conference.

He stated that the P13I had conducted an intensive investigation of

Watergate because "I wanted to be sure that no member of the White

House staff and no man or woman in a position of major responsibility

in the Committee for Re-Election had anything to do with this kind

of reprehensible activity . "

Page54.1

President Nixon news conference, October 5, 1972,

8 Presidential Documents 1486, 1489 648

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54.1 PRESIDENT NIXON NEWS CONPERgNCE, OCTOBER 5, 1972,

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WEEKLY COM71LAT;ON OF PRESIDENTIAL DOCUMENT;, OCTOBER 9, 19Z2

I have often statcd my strong belief that the millions

of older men and women who did so much to build this

Nation should share equitably in the fruits of that labor,

and that inflation should not be allowed to rob them of

the full value of their pensions. By providing a 20 percent

benefit increase without adequate financing, however,

this bid goes far beyond reasonable equity,

In passing this bill, the Congress has mistakenly as

sumed that railroad retirement benefits should be in-

creased by the same percentage as social security benefits.

In fact, the hvo systems are entirely different. Railroad

benefits are much higher than social security benefits—for

full-carecr workers the benefits may be twice as high.

The railroad rctircnlerst system payments arc a com

binaion of social security benefits augmented by the

equivalent of a private pension. There is no valid reason

why the private pension equivalent necessarily should be

increased whenever social security benefits arc raised.

Other industries have not raised their pension benefits by

20 percent as a result of social security increases, even

though most of Them provide less adequate benefits.

The argument that these "temporary" benefits do not

require a tax increase is, in rtry judgment, a ddusion. I

cannot imagine that the Congress would find it possible or

desirable to slash railroad retirement benefits next year

orin any year.

The imprudence of H.R. 15927 is underscored by the

recent report of the Commission on Railroad Reiremcnt.

That Commission was created by the Congress in 1970 to

study the troubled railroad retire nent system and recom-

mend measures necessary to place it on a sound actuarial

basis. Yet the Congress acted on H.R. 15927 before it had

an opportunity to consider and act on the recomrnenda-

tions of its own Commission for basic changes in the rail-

road retirement system. e

The Commission's findings do not support H.R. 15927

and a majority of the Commissioners recommended

against such legislation.

The Commission found that existing railroad retirc

ment benefits arc adequate, particularly for workers re-

tiring after a suit career. Retired railroad couples receive

higher benefits than 9 out of every 10 retired couples in

the country. The Commission also reach d the sobering

condusion that the enactment of an across-the-board 20

percent increase, without adequate financing, would

bankrupt the system in 13 years.

I believe that railroad beneficiaries should now receive

the same dollar increases in benefits as social security

recipients with similar eamings. A 20 percent increase in

the social security portion of railroad retirement benefits

can be financed without worsening the financial position

of the Railroad Retirement Trust Fund. The Congress

followed this sound approach when it increased railroad

retirement benefits in 1968.

Therefore, I propose that the Congress enact a bill

which again applies this principle, instead Or H.R. 15927.

The 1972 incre:.xse under my proposal would average eS28

(648)

per month for single retired railroad workers and would be about .sd,7 a month for married couples. It would not deepen the

presently-projected dcficits of the Railroad Retirement Trust Fund.

I urge the Congress to adopt thus prudent aiternativc, which would give these deserving pensioners an equitable benefit

increase on a timely basis and which~~sould still preserve the flexibility for basic readjustments that will be needed later in the

railroad retirement sysxm.

Working together, I horx that we can constructisdy rdorm this system so it can continue to serve the needs of railroad

workers and their farailies for decades ahead

• Rlc~aD Nsobr The White House,

October4, 1972.

NOTI: On the 3;UTIE date, the Presidenes veto was overridden by the Howe of RcprcsentaUves and the Senate. The bin (HERA 159Z7} became Public Law

92~460, without the Presidents sisnaturc

THE PRESIDENT'S

NEWS CONFERENCE WE

OCTOBER 5, 1972

CHARGES OF COFtRUPlWON

Q. Pair. President, what are you planning to do to dcfend yourself against the charges of corruption in your Administration?

T}IE PRESrOEN-T. lYeU, I have noted such charges; as a matter of fact, I have noted that this Administration has been

charged with being the most corrupt in history, and I have been charged with being the most deceidul President in history.

The President of the United States has been compared in his policies with Adolf Hitler. The policies of the U.S. Government

to prevent a Communist takeover by force in South victnam have been called the worst c.rirnt since the Nazi extermination of the

Jews in Gerrnany

And the President who went to China and to Moscow, and who has brought ;00,000 home from victnam, has been called the

number one warrnakcr in the world.

Needless to say, some of my more partisan adorn feel that I should respond in kind. I shall not do sow not now, not

throughout this campaign. I stun not going to dignify such comments.

In view of the fact that one of the very few WIemben of the Congress who is publicly and activdy supporting the opposition

ticket in this campaign has ven vi;,orously, yesterday, criticized this kind of tactics, it Memo to me it makes it not necehln for mc

to respond.

I think the rcsponsible mcmbcrs of thc Dcmxratic Party •Vill bc turned off by this kind of campaigning, and I wo:lkt suggest

that responsible mcmbcrs of the

54.1 PRESIDENT NIXON NEWS CONFERENCE, OCTOSER 5, 1972,

8 PRESIDENTIAL DOCUMENTS 14S6. 1489

WEEKtY COhtPILATION OF PRESIDENTIAL DOCUMENTS, OCTOBER 9, 1 9 7 2 1 4 E 9

to rely on the possibility that there was going to be a deal until one \s as made.

If he did rely on it, he probably, in this instance, came out \ dl. He could have come out the other way.

PROPERTY Tax RELIEF

Q. Sir. President, on the question of property taxes SIr. Ehrlichman has said that the Administration's longtcrm goal is to

reduce property taxes by 50 percent, which would mean about $16 billion from the Federal Government presumably to States to

make up for the property tax loss. How Ein you find that ~il6 billion without having to increase Federal taxes?

TILE PRESrDENT. lVe can't do it all in one bite. We have to begin with that. As Mr. Ehrlichman has indicated, that is why use

have set as a goalba 50 percent reduction.

Now, let me indicate to you the priorities that I see devdoping with regard to property tax relief. We have to start first with

the dderly. When I met with Mr. Merriam, who, as you know, is the professional working with the Advisory Cornmittec on

Intergovernmental Rdations, he gave me some statistics, which to me were terriNy depressing. There are I million retired

people in this country who have incomes of less than $2,000 a year, and, who, on the average, pay a property tax of 335/3

percent of that income.*

Now that is fiscally wrong, moraDy wrong, and certainly tax WTong. We must begin by lifting that burden from those

people who have worked an their lives, are now retired on what is basically an inadequate arnount, and are paying one-third of

their taxes (incomes) for property taxes to send, basically, children to school.

I have discussed this matter not only with Mr. Merriam, but Mr. Shultz and I have had, as you have noted, a number of

meetings on this in the past few weeks. We hope to have a plan which we can present at an early date. I cannot indicate to

you what that date will be, but I will say this: One, we are going to propose to the next Congress a plan that win relieve—what

will start down the road of reducing the burden of property taxes.

The first priority will be to reduce the burden of property taxes on the dderly, and second, whatever step we take, one

condition is, it must not require any increase in

other taxes. XVe think we have found a formula to do that.

THE WATERGATE CASE

Q. I\Ir. President, don't you think that your Administration and the public would be served considerably and that the men

under indictment would be treated better, if you people would come through and make a dean breast about what you were

trying to get done at the Watergate?

T}IE PRESIDENT. One thing that has always puzzled

me about it is why anybody would have tried to get anything out of the Watergate. But be that as it may, that decision having

been made at lower levels, with which I had no knowlcdgc, and7 as I pointed out

'The 33M1 percent figure refers to low income retired persons in the Northr2n. Nationwide, the average is about 16 percent of retirees income.

Q. Surely you know now, sir.

THE PRESIDENT. Just a minute. I certainly fed that

undcr the circumstances that we have got to look at what has happened and to put the matter into perspective.

Now when we talk about a clean breast, let's look at what has happened. The FBI assigned 133 agents to this

investigation. It followed out 1,800 leads. It conducted 1,500 interviews. '

Incidentally, I conducted the investigation of the Hiss case. I know that is a very unpopular subject to raise in some

quarters, but I conducted it. It was successful. The FBI did a ma, ,nificient job, but that investigation, involving the security of

this country, was basically a Sunday schooliexercise compared to the amount of effort that was put into this.

I agreed with the amount of effort that was put into it. I wanted every lead carried out to the end because I wanted to be

sure that no member of the White House staff and no man or woman in a position of major responsibility in the Committee for

Re-dection had anything to do with this kind of reprehensible activity. _

Now, the grand jury has handed down indictments. It has indicted incidentally two who were with the Committee for the

Reelection and one who refused to cooperate and another who was apprehended. Under these circumstances, the grand jury

now having acted, it is now time to have the judicial process go forward and for the evidence to be presented.

I would say finally with regard to commenting on any of those who have been indicted, with regard to saying anything

about the judicial process, I am going to follow the good advice, which I appreciate, of the members of the press corps, my

constar.t, and I trust lYiu always continue to be, very responsible antics.

I stepped into one on that when you recall I made inadvertently a comment in Dower about an individual who had been

indicted in Cafiforn a, the SIanson case. I was vigorously criticized for mad lag any comment about the case, and so of

course, I know vou would want me to follow the same single stand - ~ by not commenting on this case.

IMPUGN Prows

Q. Mr. President, when are ,vou going to begin intensive campaigning, and are you going to begin intensive

campaigning?

T}IE PRESIDENT. I repeat, Mr. Warren, what I have said previously in San Clemente and at San Franci co. Until the

Congress adjourns, my primary responsibility is to stay here and particularly to stay here to fight the battle against bigger

spending that would lead to bigger taxes.

I have made a commitment, and I make it here again today. There will be no tax increase in 1973. However, there is one

problem with that commitment. There will bc no Presidential tax increase. But, we need the cooperation of the Congress, and

there could be a congressional tax increase If thc con,grevs, for example, does not approvc the $250 billion ceilhlg that we

55. On December 15, 1972 John Ehrlichman met with CIA Director

Richard Helms, William Colby of the CIA, and John Dean. They discussed

answers to questions posed by Assistant Attorney General Henry Petersen

and Assistant U. S. Attorney Earl Silbert. Colby had disclosed on

November 27, 1972 to the Federal prosecutors that Ehrlichman was the

person who had requested CIA assistance for Howard Hunt in 1971. They

also discussed the materials turned over by the CIA to the Justice

Department on October 24, 1972.

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55.1 John Ehrlichman log, December 15, 1972 (received

.from SSC) 652

55.2 William Colby testimony, Senate Armed Services

Committee, nomination of William Colby to beDirector of Central Intelligence Agency, July 25,1973, 163_64, 166...................................

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.Committee Executive Session, May 14, 1973, 110 656

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55.2 WILLIAM7 COLBY TESTIMONY, JULY 25, 1973, SEXATE ~D SERVIZS

C())EI TEE, COLBY GOMIRATIOS HEMINGS, 163-64, 166_

163

Quextion: Did the CJ 4 reeeire nny indicotion frf,sfv the Ju4tiee Departn ent at

11t(st tfrne nfjj to aive eertuiri ntaterial to the pro4esa tora at aU.~ If 80, wa? fZreaxo?s pken t

Answ-er. Jnstice Department representative8 agreed with our eoneerns over

the .qensiffvity Or the rnaterial and indinmted they v~-ould hoid the material but

~vould disenss it with the pro.seCUtors.

Q^sestion. Did the CJ1 reeeite a78y indicatiox Jrom t,be .Jbxtice Department wot

to yire vertain anQter al to tlse proseeutors untu t,be time of t,Me trial! If so, lCaJ are^"on; s7itens - - - - - - - 7

An~sFer. Again it was agreed that the pro8ecutors vonld not be hriefed nntil

shortly before the trial to minimize chances for an opportnnit of leakage.

Qnestirm. Jf the se6grity of C'I~ operation4 trere at i44ae, and the pr"~,itoria

x~X7d ast see it Jor tat rea~on, ~ro~~dnfflt thi4 be the ca4e at the tl77se oJ tsl awtre21 u4 before tris7;! . . ,• - :, -:. +. -

An>~er. l-es, bUt the risk or leakage nould be lessened and it might not-be

neeesary. \ g -

Qafe*tior~. Did yoa and Zllr. Hel)n4 di#CUj78 at any poixt tat aci~ a ralaert

fsv7n the .Jtertice Department n~ight imply an inclhatioz to ZiMit the intresti,satio76of porible crintinisl conductf

Answer. 5'Q . -:

Q~~e.gtion. ollr. Co7by, 1 qcould 7ixe to read briefly fronb ttro ncetslorenda which

re7ute to ,your meeti)lg lCith Xr. Petersen, gr. Silbert, and 31r. Lazrence Bouxto7zof A~orember °7,1972. : -

Anslver. The meeting v~as m-ith 3k. Petersen. AIr. Silbert a7id AIr. •Vnrner. not

ZIr. Houston, on 27 5'overnber 19Tt

DE.ENIBEB 18.- 1DZ

31emorandurn for the record.

Subject: 31eeting at the White lI(vIlse on Deeenlber 18. 19*-2, re: lVutergate Ca3e.

Participallts: Richard Helms and lVilliam Colby, Cl&; Johu Ehrliehunau and

Johu Dean, the White House.

1. After preliminary remarks. Colby gave a summary of CIX's elenlings with

the FBI and the Departulent of Justiee ~vith respeet to Hoxvard Hunt. He saidxve flrst responded at the r orkin~ level to eertain normal qtlesiions about Hunt'sand friends' earlier assoeiation n-ith fIX. Honvever. Elunt's aotebook and doeu-ments and eertain other leads pointed to CIA, and it •ras deterndned that anadequate answer to these should be giren at the top level of tse FBI rather thanat the xvorking level. This svaS done. to Acting Director Gr.ly. and the reply iu-cluded a response to a folloxv-up question of the FBI-S as to any ether alias ordoeumentation. In this deseription vas referred to the naxues "lVarreu" aud'iLeonard" and eertain additional as*istanee given in Jnl,v and august 19T1 asauthorized by an extra-~genev offleiaL Colby pointed out that there lvas nospecifleation of xvho this offieiai v.-as. 31r. Gray had allosved one otl.er individualto hlonw of this material, lV. Alark Felt, nnd it xvaS our impressioll that that ill-.

_formatioll had not gone any turther.

2. Eolby further explained that 3Ir. Silbert. in charge of the ease, llad generated

soule additional quesffons. ineluding some about the alias ~'lVarren" and a i^Mr.[deleted]" •vhose name and telephone nunlber appeared in 3Ir. EIunt's materials.Again, the Ageney had lvanted to responfl at the hiwhest lesel only. and the Diree~tor :tn(l 31r. Houston visited Nttorney general Iileindienst vvith a lueulo replyingto these questions. The Attornel C:eneral had direeted that the material not goto the r. s. .\ttorney^S Otee. direeted 3Ir. Henry Petersen to handle the matterdiscreetly an(l infornt Silbert as approl)riate. tNolby then said tha's he antl JohnlVarner h:ltl been asked to visit 31es.sls. I'etersen nnd Silbert. in n-lliell interrievSilbert foeuKed in on the referenee to a * thlly atltllorized extra -Age ller request."folley sai~l he hasl dalleed arolln(l the roonl sereral tinles for ten Illilliltes to trvto aroi(l bee~lllling speeitie on thi*. finally lltllllillg the lVhite Hollse, wIlld ~vaS thenpinned by Silbert nfith a •lem:ln(l for the 1lolule. at lvhieh poillr Ihe u:lme of theindivi(lll:ll NV:IS ,<tiven. <8olhy saitl th;lt n e have ~vorke l llp ansn-ers to allditiollalquestiollS given by Silbert at thtlt time bllt seslwnded submittillg thetlt Ulltil aEter

tllis ttlPetillg.3. ZIr. Ebrliehnlan Sollgllt some precisioll al)ollt the alle,ffed phone ealls in terms

of l:ltes~ ete. These zvere girell to hil,~ as the ftrst pllzule tUlll 1wing betole ''J' JllIF

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55. 2 WILLIAM COLBY TESTIMONY, JULY 25, 1973, SENATE ARMED SERVICES

COMMITTEE, COLBY XOENAZION HE~fi7GS, 163-64, 166

164

1".1 anal the terminating pl:fbne call being on 24 August 1971. Sir. Ehrliehlllanslid he (litl not remember the first one at all. :\le*srs. Helms and Colby saidthev were merely svorlein<r •)11 General Cushman's memory that there hail beena ~;holle call requesting some form of general help for llunt. Sir. EIelms l:fiinted

•)llt that we would not hare been likely to respond to Hlmt's request without

slime sllch accreditation, as our rules about issuing false d<,eullleutation areR err strict. SIr. Dean aslied a few questions about our procedures and svhetlle~rwe ha(l recovered the false documents, to v~-hich the answer was given thatwe hall not, although normally are should have done so. A short summary v atiriven of the type of assistance rendered to Or. Halt on 23 July and ill xllgtlStand the fact that the demand for a backstopped telephone had triggered ourdecision to cut off the assistance. hIr. Helms stated that he was quite ignorantof the specific*, as he believes he vas first brought into it when Hunt had a.sties.lfor a secretary to be assigned to him from our Paris station. and he had con-curred that the answer to this and further assistance should be negative. 3Ir.Ehrlichman took down the dates of the two alleged phone calls and said he-ould check up on his schedule, etc., to see v hether there was any possibility.He said that Hunt at that time divas not working for him but for Col.son, a,ndhe had not joined Ehrlichman's staff until later. Ehrlichman said that he thoughtlIunt had been vorking on the tracing of document leaks during that period.

4. The point was brought out that it divas our vmderstanding this material

was all made available to Sir. Silbert as a preparation against possible questionsraised by the defense but that he vvas now talking in some vhat different terms.Sir. Dean said that he probably would want to use this material to prove thatHunt and Liddy operated in alias and that it vs-ould be easier to prove it by aCUES teXstimonv than by witnesses. It v as agreed all around this would be amistake. as the entire matter was totally irrelevant to the main trial and vould

be a red herring.

O. Sir. Dean nvas shown the material prepared for passage to Sir. Petersen

in response to AIr. Silbert's latest questions. It has agreed that these wouldbe held up, At BIr. Ehrlichman's request, Colby agreed to ask General Cushmanto phone him so they eould discuss the details of the alleged telephone calls.

6. As an aside, BIr. Ehrlichman recalled a discussion with AIr. Helms in •swhiell

the latter had given him some "fatherly adviee" that Hunt v-as [deleted] Air.Helms said that Eve had perhaps kept Mr. Hunt on n little longer than we shouldhave but that eve had several years ago separated him from more operationaltasks. It was corked out that this conversation probably tool; place after the

events discussed above, i.e., later in the fall of 19 • 1.

T. Mr. EShrlichman congratulated AIr. Helms on the Zlareheffl decision and said

that he had instructed BIr. Hampton of the Civil Serviee Commission to lookinto the possibility of applying this technique more broadly. Mr. Helms agreedand stressed the importance of some eontrol of classification. In this, Air. Helulxsaid that be had a somev~ hat critical letter from BIr. Eisenhovver, to whichSir. Ehrlichman said that he also had added one of his own asking that Helmethe as forthcoming as possible. ZIr. Helms said we would be replying to thesein good time. He explained that the intelligence business depends upon a fidn-einry relationship of continued secrecy and that eve eannot develop sourees ifwe acquire the reputation of declassifying their identities and exposing thesn to

lifficulties.

TV. E. COLBY, Ezecl~tire Director ('omptlo71er.

iDDEN'Dt'3l

LAtr. Colby ealled General Bushman and said that Air. Ehrlichman did newt ret member the firFtt phvllle call ami that it had heen arranged that (General Cnshman should. eall

3Ir. Ehrliehman to discuss the matter General Cushman said he would do so.

IVES.

XOVEllDE'R =, 19T2.

Nlemorandllm for the record. Snltjeot- Watergate Case.

1. The Executive Direetor. Atr. •V. I:. Colhy. and the .teNnt General (8ollnsel, Air. Jzllln S. Warner. met for approximately one h our v^-ith !str. Henry I:. Petel c tn. .tssistallt Attorney Generals

Criminal Division. Department of Jnstiee. and

Sir. Earl J. Silhert. Principal assistant United states tttorney for the Distriet

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55. 2 WILLIAIf COLBY TESTIMONY, JULY 25, 1973, SENATE SED SERVICES

COI^SITTEE, COLBY GOA'INATIOD HEMI#GS. 163-64. 166

any funds. 3Ir. Silbert nsked if there nvas ang coincidenee in [deleted) retiringon 19 Jnne since he had been iD touch nith both ^LIcCord and Hunt. lVe saidthere n-as no eonnection- but [deleted] simply sent names and resumes ill rewsponse to rqeuests

10. Mr. Colby pointed out that the Agencr lvanted to cooperate iD every svag

but felt that the sensitivity oly the matter required that it be done at tbe Peter-sen and Silbert level and not at the normal FBI inve9igatire lereL Both ZIrPetersen and Mr. Silbert appeared to fully understand the Auency's position iD,this rt ~,arlL

Jonxr S. WABYFR.

~_, Acting Gen~l Counte7.

| Q~~e,,tion. 4 re both of these rrrenwrtlnda acotsrate aecotrentst of yoar ttreeting tG;th

lZr. Peter~ and Xr. SiWbert! -

I sn>nver. I believe that both of these memoranda v~-ere reasonabtr 3catrate

I representations of vhat ocenrred at tbat meetin&

Q~ttnK If ltoar otn Inter nBcmorandum is accNrnte, tchy tetw7d Dtow~ beliere

it im,tsrtant to astnd becomiw SpeCipiG 1eith Slr. Silbert and Mr. Peteree# con-

cer~g Jfr. Ehrlichm6wF's nawte?

answer. The qtsestion va8 one ot Cl^'s assistanee to Arr. EIovard Hnnt. EisL

nformaffon vas providetl. It swas pointed out that tbis asxistantee was duly an-thorizedo I did not believe it essentittl to solnnteer to the prosecutors the preci.seauthonzation under ~vhieh CIS acted, although I gave that information xrhen

asked the direet quesffon.

I Q/~estit>lt. Ditl yols mentt'on ill t71e 5'01 eosber 27 nvaetillg the trsnseript Or taCtsxhmon/Bunt meeting in J,;lDt ]9JI, or that J[r. Ehrlichman hnt7-initiated a

call to the 19ency prior to 31r. 7alset's L'iS;t there?

Answer: ! dia not ntenffon'the transcriptbut I did indieate tbat-)Tr.-Ehrliell

nxan had made the call to General Cushman before WIr. Hu.ut's visit- to Ceneral

Ctl.shman.

Ollestioa.>TFtrs t71iR,t71C flrxt li)>sc zvol~ ha(l er,er bet>7z eX*cti specifiecrily abent

the ielentitU of the persos~ Zteho rerommended lfr. hDtnt to the 19ency?

An*srer. This xras the fir8t time outside the Agency.

Qerestion. So if i?; fair to sel/ thttt elt7toley7l zrotl teere relt7atztnt vrt this fr.~rt

oneetinD Ston tlid yire the Jll.stice Depertment t7liS informatityn the fr.~tt time zrel;

teere nxkett t

Ansaver. l-es.

Qttestion. Di(,l yots ~neet trith General C~;shmen oll Deeember 13'

Xtssver. les. ' ' - - -

Qne.stion.' Th-is ;s np/)arent19t plior tn tbe Deeember 1-7 mectiny at the White

}70nxe trith .lfr, Heltnx, Slr. Ehrlie71mntt, aslt llr. Dentx—hens ditl lhit7 ateetinycith Gexeral Cl~.shntan eome abotst'

Anszver In preparin,~ the ansners to 3Ir. Silbert-s questions I feit it desirlble

to eheck Geueral Cushman's meniory Ot these events. - .

Qleextiolt. Oifl yot~ n.^7D Gener l Cts.~hnitln tSi7 trrite a )ttemornneli~;tt. to l/r.'

Elhr7ichman nt that ,7frat meetin9t

Anssver. No. :

Qrlesfion. Ditl V+7~ 871q1f Genernl C~R*bm tn nt t/lftt ,girst neectinsw the tlxtn. - ript

of 71 i.t conrer-Sfltioo le itn 31r. [ll~}tt.}

.&nslrer. .st tbe first meeting I state(l to ('ener:ll eusllt=;lu that we sv;lntel ta be

snre of the illentity nf the lVhite llotlse enller xvha hilfl sponiorefl 3(r. Hullt~reqllest ftlr assistallee in .[uly l')TI. r • hl not at tirF;t shlbnw ('en~er.ll ('nilltll:ln thetr:ln.st ripr. (,enerttl Cn*hman rPplied that hP thonght ie n-as !ik. Ehrtichmnll WIrolsssln or :\ir. I)eall or sollleone stllh 31.': thtlt nb~>lll he kllen. I thell shoure;lliu

rlle trallscsriryt anfl he agreecl that it nlust h;lz-e heell Ebrlichman.

Qne.w?h,^. ll'nx ba falltr nlt ltrCs nlw~/ flitl he r W nenrher th.,t jr,: Ebrliehoul*^

7tnft. { nlletl b;~n to e.stebli.wiw C'l l linixon tt'it71 ,1/, 7Jnet.'

\ nsn er. Yes.

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55. 3 WILLIAM! COlBY TESTIMONY. I@Y 14. 1973, SENATE ED SERVICES

110

I contact, as I understand then later you ware requested bY'

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i '1X. Colby or someone so write a

General Cushman. Yes, sir.

1 zernora-adum about the matter.

Senator Thurmond. This was done at tie request of the prosecutor or somebody i-n the Justice Department?

General Cushman. Yes, sir.

:I would have to defer to Or. Collie I think he rnay know why the memoranda were being prepared.

Senator ThurIrlond. I will be glad for him to answer.

: tar. Colby. well, at the time that we first started talking to the Justice Department we had some impression .in the agency that

it was Mr. Ehrlichman wno had called and we had used that name with the prosecutor, Mr. Zilbert, and with the

Attorney General. air didn't really nave direct evidence of that and in mid-Decernber Mr. Helms and I were asked to go

see Mr. Ehrlichman and Mr. Dean and I recounted the material that

15

16 .

.17 had been forwarded to the Justice Department or summarized

18| it and mentioned that we had told them we thought the name was

191 Ehrlichman that had made the original call, Mr. Ehrlichman

--<0 I said that he didn't recall that particular phone call, he just

21 I didn't recall, and he seemed perplexed about it, and I said,

22 that, well, we didn't haste army really good evidence on i., the

23

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251 only fellow on our side Who wool. know anything about it would be General Cushman, aired Mr. Ehrlic'nman asked me to get

in

touch with General Cushmar. so they could refresh their raem..ories

_i C(t

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55.4 HENRY PETERSEN TESTIK#Y, AUGUST 7, 1973, 9 SSC 3622-23

3622

Mr. DASH. Were you aware the Patman committee lvas in fact

planning to call or subpena a number of the witnesses that void be

involved in the criminal prosecution ?

WIr. PETS RSEN. Only from the public press.

Mr. DASH. Was it your position that such a congressional committee

might prejudice the criminal prosecution ?

Mr. PETERSEN. Yes, and I sent a letter. The letter was prepared by

my staff in the office of legal counsel, it vas sent to Congressman Pat-man setting forth our position and the fact that lulder the Delaneycase the Government is regarded as a monolith and the actions of acon,¢~ressiol.tal committee are attributable to the prosecution in that and

it might result in prejudicial publicity yes.

,Mr. DA6Fr. Did you later learn vhat happened to the subpenas that

vere proposed to be sent in the Patman committee investigation ?

31r. PEtERSE38-. I have no idea about that.

3fr. DASH. As a matter of fact, the vote vas against subpenaing

them and-

WIr. PPrERSEN. I understand

ZIr. DASH. It never got off the ground.

Atr. USES'. I understand there vas such a vote.

Mr. DASH. On October 24, 1972, do you recall receiving certain docu

ments from itr. Eleindienst lvhicl1 had been turned over to fir. Itlein-

dienst by CIA relating to SIr. Hunt's activities ?

Mr. PETERSEN. Yes, I do.

Mr. DASH. On October 24, vere these just documents or did they

include photographs, do VOID knoxv?

Mr. PETERSEN. My recollection is that there vas a series of photo

graphs attached to the package. I guess to recount the situation I lvascalled up to Mr. Eleindienst's offlce, WIr. Helms and his counsel, Larry

Houston, were there, they expressed some reservations about potential

• embarrassment to the CIA and that they vere there with certain in

lormation as a result of questions generated by Atr. Silbert, thev hopedit would not be necessary to disclose them, I took the information andleft vith Larry Houston, sat down and examined their concerns andtheir concerns related to the hope that had been furnished to CIA andthere lvas one possible wholly unrelated valid CIA activity involvedwhich they were most desirous of protectill(t. I assuled them eve wouldtry and do that, made al rallgelllentS to sret pearl Silbert ovel there an(lwhile he vent over the documents, we studied those photographs and

M e couldn't malce any sense of them at all.

Mr. D.\SFr. To refresh your recollection, do you recall that there

vrele actually two times you may have received certain documents,once documents alone flom Atr. Itleindiellst. on October 24. and somedocuments in which photographs lvere attached sometime in the earlv

art of manual y—,Tamlar) en ?

Atr. pETF.RSF,5-. No. I don't remcml)el nnv mammal v ods Arr. Dash. We

got some documents from CIs-t in October and some documents from

CIA in Deceml~er.

Nolv, I could be mistalcell, thev maV have been attaehed to the Oe

cember documents but mV recollection is they •vere in the C)etober

pael;aye.

Arr. D.ssrr. Ably I shorv von a copv of a memorandum dated I )ecem

her .5, 1972, and attached to it are Xerox copies of photographs and

see if these arc the recol ds that !'°n •lid receive ?

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55.4 HENRY PETERSEN ZESTIMORYs AUGUST 7, 1973, 9 SSC 3622-23

3623

AIr. PETERSEN-. I recognize one which is a picture of lJlr. Liddy in

front of a stationery store which has the sign on the window "XeroxCopies While You Wait." I recognize that one. I recognize anotherone in which there is an address 11923 on the building, a car outside.I recognize another one ill which there is written ill 011 it—two auto-

mobiles—resee z-ed l)r. Fieldillzrs resel ved Vl: Rotllbelr.

BIr. DASH. Actually what you did receive were Xeroxes of photo

graphs, not photographs themselves ?

Mr. PETERSEN'. That is right.

3Ir. DASH. And do they appear something like these Xeroxes I have

shown you?

Srr. PETERSEN. Those I have mentioned to you; yes, sir.

WIr. D.ssIr. A0'hen fiou received these, was there any indication to

J ou as to what investigation these drafts related to q

3k_ PETERSEN-. 5'0, Me were investigating, of course, activities of

Hunt and Liddv out in California. trying to figure out why what itsrelationship to Watergate was, and Silbert and I sat down and wentover these documents and we couldn't relate them to an~thillg. Laterve asked CLK, I guess, and they didn't have any descriptive data ornegatives or actual photographs or anything that would assist us.

ZIr. DAS11. AVere you aware of the special investigating emit which

had been called the Plumbers that nvas in theAlrJuite House ?

AIr. PE'rERSED,-. No, sir.

Mr. DASEI. Did your Criminal Division play any role in the investi-

gation of the Pentagon Papers leak ?

Mr. PE'rERSEN. No, sir.

Mr DASH. Were voU aware of the investigation that this so-called

investigating unit was makings of Dr. Ellsberg or his psychiatrist?

ZIr. PETERSEN. No, sir.

lSIr. DASEI. And when vou noticed, I think there was some evidence,some of these photographs referred to a Dr. Fieldingn did you know

who Dr. Fielding was?

ljlr. PETERSEN-. No, sir.

lSIr. DAS1I. Or whether or not he was related in any lvay to Stir. Ells-

berg. So that in receiving these documents, would it be fair to say thatthey did not put you 011 notice of any break-in or effort to break into

I)r. Fielding's office?

Mr. PETERSEN. They did not.

IiIr. nASEl. Or had any relation to the investigation by the Justice

Department investigation of Mr. Ellsberg or the prosecution that was

Groins on?

Mr. PETERSEN. TVe didn't relate those documents to the Ellsberg

case, I think, until the time of lVIr. Itrogh's affidavit in connection

with the Ellsbera matter.

Mr. DASII. Fir. Chairman. I would like to have the memorandum

Of December 5, 197Q, with the necompan^-ing Xerox copies of photo-

,frraphs marl;ed amps Opl iatel v and ndinitted ill evi(lellce.

Senatol F,nvrs-. IXet the leportel nSsigrll it the al)l)ropriate exhibit

numl)ei.

rTlle doellmellts refer red to severe malke(l exllil)it No. l4fi.t

•See p. NSfil.

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56. On January 8, 1973 former CIA Deputy Director Cushman sent a

memorandum to John Ehrlichman identifying as the person who requested

CIA assistance for Howard Hunt in 1971 one of the following: Ehrlichman,

Charles Colson or John Dean. On January 10, 1973 after discussions

with Ehrlichman and Dean, Cushman changed the memorandum to state that

he did not recall the identity of the White House person who requested

assistance for Hunt.

56.1 John Dean testimony, 3 SSC 977-78........

56.2 Robert Cushman testimony, 8 SSC 3295-97.....

56.3 Memorandum from Robert Cushman to John Ehrlichman,January 8, 1973, SSC Exhibit No. 125, 8 SSC

.3390 .....................Z

56.4 Memorandum from Robert Cushman to John Ehrlichman,January 10, 1973, SSC Exhibit No. 126, 8 SSC

56.5 Partial transcript of telephone call from JohnEhrlichman to General Robert Cushman, July 7, 1971with accompanying CLK employee affidavit, February

.5, 1974 (received from CIA) 667

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response, which Krogh wrote down for his secretary and she returnedthe call. I have submitted to the committee the document prepared byXIr. IZrogh's secretarv after the call divas returned to ZIr. Liddy—and

I might note that divas not in the exhibits when I assembled them last

night but ;I do know where it is, on the table at home.

Senator BAKER. I take it you will supply that document later in your

testimony 2

Sir. DEAN. Yes, Senator; I will. ; :

Senator BAR Thank you very much.

[The document referred to avas marked exhibit No. 34 31.*]

Zlr. DELVN. On Friday afternoon, January 5,eI received a report

from O'Brien that Middy had been rather miffed and annoyed that:Erogh had been unwilling to speak with him. I reported this to lArogh,who asked if I would personally see what I could do, because Eroghfelt sorry for Liddy but just couldn't talk with him. I agreed I woulddo something and on Saturday, January 6, I called Liddy from myhouse at his home. It was a brief call in which I told him the reasonErogh had not called and told him that lirogh had great sympathyfor his plight. Liddy said he understood. The only thing I can recallLiddy saying to me was that he hoped that there would be some moneyforthcoming for his lawyer. I said q would pass that message along.I also expressed sympathy over his situation and the call ended. Ilater reported to Erogh that Liddy understood why he did not speakwith him personally and Erogh appreciated it. :

RETRIEXIN-G f IA MABEL FROM ~ DEPONENT OF Jussa

Now I am going to turn to the receiving, the retrieving CLK matF

rials from the Department of Justice in connection with the

investigation.

As a result of a conversation I had with Ehrlichman, I svas asked

to attempt to have the CIA retrieve from the Department of Justiceinformation relating to Hnnt's dealings with the CT~. To understandEhrlichman's request, I must provide some backgrotmd. During thecourse of the Watergate investigations, the prosecutors had requestedmaterial from the tI~~ ands because of the fact that this materialrelated to the White Housez the CLIP had informed the White Hou^-of the request. The first incident ashen this came llp lvas regardingthe fact of who had made the initial request to the OL-t to assist Hunt.General Cushman had been t.he Deputv Director of the CIA at thetime the matter occurred, and when he svas asked, he reported thathe had been requested from John Ehrlichman. AVhen Ehrlichman svasinformed of this. I believe by General Cushman, he denied the factthat he had ever made such a requests and told Cnshman that he had

never been asked for such assistance.

Sllbseqtlelltlv, General Cllshman prepared a memorandum that indi

cated that the request hall come from either Ehrlichman, Colson, ormvself. Rllrliclllllall forvs-ar(le(l a cops of this document to me andasked if I would •ret this matter talien care of. I told him I thoughtit xvas somewhat strange that mV name Novas 011 the memorandum from

(q.usllman in that I had never spol~ell with Cushman in my life.

•See p. 123S.

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56.1 JOHN DES TESTIMONY, JUNE 25, 1973, 3 SSC 977-78

He then asked me if I did not think it would be better that Cushman

mentioned no one since he could not remember who it lvas. I remembersuspecting at the time, as I do today, that Ehrlichman had had myname inserted in the memorandum as a means of Betting me to makesure that Cushmall would hare no names in the memoranda m at all.I remember calling General Cushman and telling him that I hadreceived from Ehrlichman a copy of his memorandum and that I wassome vhat surprised to find my name in it -because this svas the firsttime I had ever spoken with him. He agreed that we had never talkedand I said that Ehrlichman had suggested to me that, if he could notremember who it divas, he, Cushman, probably should not mention

anvone.

ail short. time later, another memorandum on this subject of who

toad asked for Hunt to hare the assistance of the CIX come forwardfrom General Cushman and this time no names nvere mentioned atall It was after this episode in getting the Cushman statement cor-recced that I had an occasion to discuss this with Colson. Colsorl toldme that he had been present when Ehrlichman had made the call to

t_~llSktEt.

The other CIt material relating to Hunt's dealing with the CLS

emanated from a series of questions that had been asked bv the Water-gate prosecutors. I recall a discussion with CIA Director Helms andone of his deputies in Ehrlichman's office when Slav Vent over thetype of material that they vould be providing to the Department of

Justice.

I subsequently had occasion, while at the Department of Justice,

to talk with Henry Petersen about the CL-t material and he showedme a copy of the information the CI & had provided him. and he toldme Mr. Gray had the same material. I remember that the documenthad attached to it a number of photographs which had come from acamera—again my text has gotten confused—had come from it camera.the camera which had been returned by Hunt to the CI&. It is acamera that had been borrowed bv JIunt from the CI A. The pictures,vhich had been processed bx the. Cl t. included a picture of Liddv

standing in front of Ellsberg's psvehiairist's office.

I informed Ehrlichman about this and that is the reason that he

subsequently requested that I seek to retrieve the documents before the

Senate investigators got a copy of the material.

I discussed this with Petersen, but he said that thev had received

a letter in earlv Jamlarv of this veer from SenatorAtansfield regardingthe, maintenance of all records relating to the ease and that the onlvthinly that he could do would be to extract the document and leave

a card to the effect that the document had been returned to CI.X.

I resorted this to Ehrlichman and he told me that he thought that

the CI ~ ought to get all of the material back and that no card shouldbe left in the file and that national security grounds should be used to

withhold release of the information.

On Februarv 9. 197.S, I snoVe with Director Schlesinger of the CITY

and asked hind if it would lee possible to retrieve the material that hadbeen sent to the Department of .Tustiee in connection svit71 the Water-Cate investigation. I told him that I had disettssetl this with theDepartment of Justice and thev indicated that thev xrould merely leave

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56* 2 ROBERT CUSHMS TESTIMONY, AUGUST 2, 1973, 8 Lssc 3295-97- -

3295

rMr. HAMILTON. When did you first learn of the break-in of Dr. EU8berg's psychiatrist's office 2

General BUSHMAN. I think it was when I was in Europe just before being called back to testify to theoversight committees of the CIA, which was May 13. I think I heard about it about the 10th when it appearedin th'e newspapers.

Mr. HAMILTON. That was May of which year ?

General Ctr6HMAN. 1973, sir.

Mr. HAMILTON. Did you have' an occasion in January of this year, to prepare two memorandums to Mr.Ehrlichman on your contacts with Mr. Hunts

General CU6H~N. I did, sir.

Sir. HAMILTON. I would like to show you memorandums that are dated January 8 and January 10, 1973,on the subject contact with Sir. Hat, and I will pass these copies over to you. I believe the committee hasalready been provided with copies of these memorandums. General Ctashman, are these the twomemorandums that you preparedt

General CUSHMAN. Yes, sir; they certainly look like copies of them.

Mr. HA]£1LTON'. Mr. Chairman, I would ask that these memorandums be submitted into the record at thistime.

Senator ERVIN. Without objection, it is so ordered.

[The documents referred to were marked exhibits Nos. lea and 126*.]

Mr. HA]ffI-{*TON. Do these memorandums contain a summary of your experience with Mr. Hunt that youhave just given us in testimonyZ

General CIJSH11XAN. Yes, sir; they do.

Mr. HAMILTON. Would you give US the circumstances that surrounded the preparation of thesememorandums, in your own words, please, sir ?

General CIJSH}1AN. Yes, sir.I believe the date was December 13,1972. I was Commandant of the Marine Corps at the time, and Mr.

Colby came to see me, he was then the No. 3 man in the CIA, he came to see me and stated that the Agenc,vhad been directed to prepare a summation of their contacts with Howard Hunt,.

This had been directed, I gathered, by the Department of Justice, the prosecutors in the case. So herefreshed my memory on the phone call. I could not remember in December of 1972 who had telephoned mefrom the White House. I thought it was Mr. Ehrlichman, but I was not sure. When I had conversation on July22 with Howard Hunts a number of names had been dropped in the conversation, Air. Colson's, Mr.Ehrlichman's, mavbe Mr. Dean's. I do not know; in. any event, I could not be very certain. I refreshed mymemory from the transcribed conversation, and while F,llrlichman's name appeared in its I did not knowwhether this was sufficient for me to go putting it in writing or not; and the tape, of course, was the propertyof the Agency, so I did not know just where I stood on that.

I then prepared the first memo which is dated January Awaits I have to go back a little bit. Apparentlythese papers were the subject later of conversation between Mr. Colbv and the prosecutor and, I rather. Mr.Ehrlichman, I do not know. The next thin r that happened,

•See pp. 3390, 3391.

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56. e

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to my own knowledge, avas along about January 7 or 8 this year, Mr.Colby called and said that Mr. Ehrlichman disputed the phone call

incident, and would I prepare a memorandum stating to the best of my

recollection, what had happened. So I prepared the first memorandumsin which I said Ehrlichman, Mr. Colson, or perhaps NIr. Dean. Isimply camlot recall at this late date which one it is, of my own

knowledge

I then got a call, as I remember it, from John Ehrlichman saying

i;t007h-, I can't recall prior to July 22 and, in fact, my records show I

was out of town for a considerable length of time."

Well. this shook up my recollection even worse, and so I offered,

without bemg asked, I offered to take names out of it since I did notthinly it would be fair when I could not swear to it. And then, I wrotethe second memorandum in which I said that I could not recall whoDlacea the call at this late date but it was someone whom I recognized

iATI the White House.

The fact of the matter was that I had not combed through the

minutes of the daily staff meetings. I had checked mv own files and inthe office at CLt to see whether there was any record of this phone calland I could not find one. However, in preparino the statement beforethe committees that Dr. Schlesinger had to make in May he had athorough search made of all possible documents and came up, I believehis secretary found them, came up with the minutes of the meeting of,Julv 8, in which I definitely stated that WIr. Ehrlichman had called.So, based upon that I ssvore out an affidavit I believe it is May 13,and used that affidavit before the CIA oversight committees, the three

of them before whom I had to testify.

Mr. HABtILTON. So the record will be clears I would like to read the

relevant portions from these two memorandums, a sentence or two

from each.

The January 8 memorandum states:

I received a call over the White House line from either sir. Ehrlichman, Mr.

Colson, or perhaps fir. Dean (I simply cannot recall at this late date just whichone it nvas) stating that Mr. -Hunt would call on me to ask for some support and

that he was working on a matter for the person caning.

Now, in the January 10 memorandum this sentence appears:

"I cannot recollect at this late date who placed the call, but it xvas

someone with whom I was acquainted, as opposed to a stranger." Endthe names of Mr. Ehrlichman, Mr. Colson, and Wlr. Dean appear no-

where in the memorandum.

General GESARAKAN~ Ri'ttht.

Mr. HAMILTON. Now, if I could ask you just a few questions on

these two documents. First of all, since vou reviewed the transcriptof your conversation with Mr. Hunt on December 13 and because onpa^ge a. of that transcript it is stated that it MraS Mr. Ehrlichman whohad called you, why did you have any real doubt that indeed it svasWhir. Ehrlichman who had made the telephone call to you in July 1971 i

General CxJs}XwrA>-* Well, mV recollection was that it was iStr. Ehr

lichman, but I lvas more concerned with putting it down on a piece ofpaper. I didn't know, as I say, that I could vet a transcript of the

tape—I didn't have this transcript. The Aeenev had it and showed itto me. And the fact that it was a tape recording and that it beloneed

to the A-&gency made me a little worried. I wanted something to cor-

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Lroborate it. Perhaps I was wrong on that, but that is the lvay I felt about it.

And it wasn't until May of this year that we found what I consider to be corroborating entry in therecords.

Mr. HAMILTON. Stow, after the January 8 memorandum was sent to the White House, did you alsoreceive a call from Mr. Dean?

general CUSH}L&N. XS I recall, I did get a call from ZIr. Dean in which he said that we didn't know eachother and he was certain he hadn't talked to me, and I had to agree with him, that we had not met, and that Icouldn't explain why I put his name in, frankly.

But. his name was in the papers a lot and hIr. Hunt I think may nave mentioned him sometime during theconversation I had with him but I am not sure of that.

Mr. IIAMILTON. Well, I don't believe in the transcript which we have, which admittedly is a partialtranscript because some of these sections are blocked out, not typed, I don't believe, in that transcript that Mr.Dean's name appears in it.

Do you have any other explanation at this time why his name did appear in the January 8 memorandum 2

General CUS~tAN. No, I don't, only what I have said.

Mr. HAMILTON. Noxv, I believe vou stated that you removed these three names from the memorandumvoluntarily ?

General CES1IMAN. Yes, sir. ~~

Mr. HA3fIL'rON. Is it your testimony that Mr. Ehrlichman put no pressure at all on you to have his nameremoved ?

General CUSHMAN. No, sir.

Mr. HAMILTON. In your press conference that you had when you came back from Europe, you stated atpage 19 that you tore up the first memorandum at Mr. Ehrlichman's request, and did Mr. Ehrlichman make arequest to you that the first memorandum be torn up and that a second memorandum be substituted a

General CXJSH)r.~N. No. I would say that that is an inaccurate phrasing. He didn't ask me to tear it up. Infact, I guess he kept the ot iginal as far as I know, but I tore up the copy when I wrote the new memorandumon January 10, 1973. But he did not make a specific request that I tear it up.

Mr. HAMILTON. So the statement you made in your press conference—

General CITSHMAN. Is not precise.

Sir. HAMILTON [continuing]. Is inaccurate.

My final question, and I think this may be of some interest to the committee. If you tore up your copy ofthe memorandum, how did you produce for us last night the copy of the January S memorandum that evenoxv have ?

General ClrSHMAN. The secretary who tool; it when I dictated it over at the Agency had retained herstenographic notebook.

Sir. HA3tlLTON. AIIF. Chain man, I have no more questions.

Senator ERVIN-. AIr. Thompson.

ZIr. THOMPSON. General Cushman, as I understand it, you reviewed the transcript of this conversationwith Hunt on December 13,19z2.

General Cuslla[.v>f. Of this year.

Air. T210Arrso>. Of this year?

General CXJSSIZIAN. I mean——

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56. 3 ROBERT CUSH1<4117 MEMORAGDUM, JACUARY 8, 1973, SSC EXHIBIT NO. 125,

8 ssc 3390.

3390

EXHIBIT No. 125

'..-—StCa.i2iDU3,i FOR: TJa Hono.abla Jann virnc~an

S-JAIE_I : Coatact vn'~ 2 i_. F:onvazd iiunt

3 @ :s—-: s by 1 '97;

1. I w::et ~rit!l Xoward kiunt on cne 27ad oI July 1971. At so;=e noint th=~s t~ period irow~ about t~o weewCs to about two G;b7a ,arior to hi3 -

~r3it, I receimst a call over the hite House line from eith4r b£r. ~hrIic~2, .N'r. Colaea, or perbp3 A4r. Dc~ (i simpl;^.cannot recitt at tlLis lat- dat~ juat w~ch one it

~3) atat~3 tht Mr. H~t ~id caU on ~o tJ ask 'or sorne support a3d tkat he was working oo a m;ottar for tho persou calli2lg,

Z. A4r_ }int state4 t~t he azd to elicit infor~adou fro~ a3 indi

eduaI wtho3e ideolorr S was not certain of and for thaLrea30n woul4 liXe to taL'c to hinl under an alia3 and reqnested tst I proridt sope

dOCUC;leDtatiOD to back up his alia3 ident-ty. lie said this was a owle—virn^

i:ltXrview. I exid that, y-s, We! nvould prordte a drifez's licensa 23d >^,e i3 callad poc'=et li.~r, which :vould indicat2 th- identit7 which he wish~ to assume Eor

thix one-timll ooeration_

3. On 27 Au3u3t I found 'hat hlr. HUDt t3S requeating EurOer support i;l th'3 ior~ oE credit card3 and a New York phone nu3xber which he co~

u3e throush ;= anawering service

4. In :r.y opinion t'"is tended to dra~v the As2ncy i:;to th3 senaiti~ and forbidden area of operat:.on3 assill3t Aw3erican3 a:ld 1 eould DO lonser

c03]ply t-,ith his r:que3t3. Consequentlwf, at 1100 on 27 .August 1 calt2d 2.Sr. chrlichm3wa as:d explainUd why w3 could not m.eet these request3. I .'urther

indicat2d tha. H~t ^.lras becoming 3103t d.4~ Indig aad trouole30~e and, in wr~~ opinio3, inli3crêt. .Rr. —arlicnman i::dicated as3ent

•o ou. ce33ation oE sup,>ort xor .Mr. Xunt.

c>. E. Cu3~ un, Jr.

Ge~ nlP U'~.9tC

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56.4 ROBERT CUSHI!f4N MEMORANDUM, JANUARY 10, 1973, SSC EXHIBIT NO. 126,

3391

E~W No. 126

10 -,ul3ry 19?3

5.~iO3.uNDUN1 S 03: rza Xo-0.3bla Job D. ~h-lic's~.an - /

A3si;*.a-t .o .a: °.ssident zor

no:ne3tic _~irs *

214 2'wSiFf Houô

1. I 3at ~:^ -oward Xun: ou Z' July 1971. ^' 3^wna point du.ing

Se period frorn a'oout two weeXa to about two days prior to hi3 visit, I

recai~l a call over ~'3a li5ınita touse line dir:ct to r37 oi'Nce as Dcputt

DL-ecto. of Cent.31 Tntellisence stltinS tnat blr. };unc would call on me

to ask for some 3upoort and that 9 was worlti:lg on a matter for the

peraon callin3. I cannot r-collect at thi3,1ato Ata who pAced t'3e call,

but it was sosreone wit}^ whozn 1 7as acq,ua£nted, as oppo3ed to a stranser.

2. l,{r. H~t stated tEat ne nad .o elicit information from an indi

vidual whoae ideolosT he W33 a:ot cennin oi and £or tbat reasou would lio_

to talQ to him und-r an al i ~ and requea Cad tSat I pro~r.de 3 0me docum-n-

ta:ion to back uo tria alia3 identit*Z. va said this was a -r a- time inCer-sriew. I 3aid t!zat, r33~ we would proands a driver's lic:u3e and wn3t is

call:d poc'cat littar which 7!-ould indica,~ •h4 identiFwf wh'ich 9 wished to

zesume for this cme-ti~e o?e~ation. :

3. On 27 Ausu3t I found tn3t ',:r. nso3t mras requastinS {ur'her su~

,nort in tne form of czedit card3 a3d a >-2W York paone number whi_h he

could u3e t'arouSh an anasverin3 sarAce.

4. I:s ~r o?inion ta'i3 t3nd2d ta d.arr lie Ag-ncy iBto tha sen3iEitre

-and Sardidd3n 3rea of ogera'ion3 as3i-st Americ3n3 and I couldB no lonser

cotr.?l7 7i:S iliS renueat3. Ccn3equent!7, zt 1100 on 27 Au7u3t I called

N ;r. ~arlic'~ and as.?lainedSb~*r ~ could not meat thesa requasts. I

.'u ta-r isldicated tEat .tt.unt ow33 bYCGwniag wsost d:m3ndi3g and trouble-

same and, in ~r o2iaiion, indi3c.eet. blr. Ehrticb:::~ iadicated asiellt

to oqr ces3atiou of 3unnort fo. Otr. Hnnt.

(666)

R. ~, Cu~~~, Jr.

Gqneral, USlwiC

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56.5 PARTIAL TR4RSCRIPT OF EH]7GIC R4N/CUS ~ CON ERSATION .

'Cclepllorle Call .o Gcneral Cushman ^ro~ John E:htlicnman - 7 Jul~; 19Z1

},ir ~,

iot i30tes )

'hrlicllnlan: I xvan. to aler. you tna' an old accuaintancc, TIovsarsI Ilunt, has been as5-cd bwf tne Prcoicte-. to co sor;ze spccial consul.arlt vrork orx

security probl2ms. He may be contactins you sornettrne in ghe ft~ture rO_ some ass;S;ance. I twan.ed you to Tcnsw .nJt he o~>2s in -ELCe doin,, sorn^

thin,,s for the Presiclea6. He is a long-time acquaiat:ance with the people here. EIe ma~y want so;ne helD on co~puter rU:ls and othe thimas.

You should consider he has pretty much ca,te blarlchc

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~'OTE; ;~fter the above conversation, General Cush^~an called Mr. ,¢ f to aler- him.

THE MATERIAl DElETED FROM THIS PAGE WAS DELETED BY THE CHAIRMAN ASD RANKIGG IVINORITY MEIISBER AT THE REQUESTOF THE CENTRAl INTELlIGENCE AGENCY BEFORE PRESENTATION TO THE CO ffl ITTEE ON THE JDDICIARY.

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56.5 CIA EXPLOYEE AFFIDAVIT, IMBRUE 5, 1974

' A F-F'I D'A V I T

STATE OF VIRGIN;TA )

COUNZY OF F£EAX ) Dv

I, t3 'being first duly sworn, state:

1. I xvas born on 8 March 1924 in Id.iiwaukee, Wisconsin. Af,e

serving as an Army officer in World War II and completing my college

education, I. joined the Central Intelligence Agency in October 1950.

I have hid the position of Executive Assistant so ache Deputy Director

or Central Intelligence since November 1909.

2. This affidavit is submitted at the reQlJes; of Mr. ltillinm E.

~ ;

Colby to, explain the drcurnstances of my discovery on Februaxy A,,

1974 of a file of stenographers' notes among Which svas the attacher

note of Miss S

summarizing a telephone conversation

between Lt. General Robert E. Cushman, Jr. and Mr. John

Enrlichman on 7 July 1971. 0 2 0 2 2 o

3. Director Colby's secretary, Miss S came to

my office on Monday morning. February 4, 1974. - She said hat

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" , Mr. Colby would like me to go througn my files once more to maizei!{' certain that there were no misplaced transcripts of conversations

z , which had b;een recorded in the Office of t'ne Deputy Director of

. .

,' Central Intelligence. The recording of visitors' conversations had

Jo been done on a very selective bases and this practice tvas discontinued, '

IsI' after General Cushman left CIA in Decembc-.- 1971.

|i THE MATERIAL DELETED FROM THIS PAGE HAS DELETED BY THE CHAIRMAN AND RANKING

jj MINORITY MEMBER AT THE REQUEST OF THE CENTRAL INTELLIGENCE AGENCY BEFORE

§ i PRESENTATION TO THE COMMITTEE ON THE JUDICIARY.

DJ '-

(668)

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liiOVj 56. 5 CIA EMPlOYEE AFFIDAVIT, FEBRUARY 5, 1974

<. ' During the morning of February 4, 1975, I V>ent through

the papers in my safe in order to dctcrmin.- if :-ny rniSspIaccd

transcripts of conversations V>ere located there. At the botulin Or

the second drawer xvere t*,vo folders of material that conzaingd

information used Or General Walters' orientation briefings after

he xvas appointed Deputy Director ox Central intelligence in A!.:lrcn

1972. Under hese briefing files I sound a b-rovx.n folder containing

ten stenographic notes sum;narizing General Cushrr.zn's telephone

conversations With members of the White House staff in 1969, i970

and 1971. In this folder was a summary of General Cushman's

7 July 1971 conversation with Mr. John Ehrlichman.

5. These stenographic no2tes an This folder induded summaries

of General Cushman's conversations With Dr. Kissinger on leaks

of intelligence reports in the press, a d his request for an

analytical paper on Cambodia. There were also conversations with

ober White House officials on intelligence leaks and on requests

for name checks of foreigners. The conversations With Dr. Kissinger

were on top of the file of ten stenographic notes and one mem.orar-dum

written by the CIA General Counsel- The note of General Cushman's

conversations NVith Mr. Ehrlichman on 7 July I971 was induded

about hvo thirds of the way down in -he file. r bad looked at this

file, in May 1973 wheel Dr. Schlesinger requested employees to

search all files for material which might have been related to

Howard Hun; and the Watergate af&ir- At that tir e I noted the

records of the conversations NVith Dr- Kissinger and others on matters

which were completely unrelated to Watergate. I did not see the'

'' -single page item on General Cushman's conversation With

;s Mr. Ehrlichman about Howard Hunt, and presumably, inadvertency

1, failed to uncover it vehen I xvas paging through these papers .

li

If 2

'- THE MATERIAl DElETED FROM THIS PACE WAS DElEfED BY THE CH4IRMAN AND RANKING

f1 2112NORITY MEMBER AT THE REQUEST OF THE CEXTRAl INTEllIGENCE AGENCY BEFORE

PRESENTATION TO THE COMMITTEE ON THE JllDICIARYo

(669)

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56 . 5 CIA EMPlOYEE AFFIDAVIT, FEBRUARY 5, 1974

6. The file of summary notes of Gcaetal Cushr;lan's tclvp-nonc

conversations seas ma ntainf d by his secrctamy. I usually did not sc.

them when they were made because they svere chicRy used by

|, the secretaries to clarify questions vrhich might be raised later.

i' D 'E/ In many cases, General Cushman probably did not see them withers

'' In December 1971 Miss z General Cushman's secretory

and I reviewed General Cushmar's papers after he left CIA to become

Marine Commandant. I decided to retai=~only those papers which .

rdated to General Cushman's conversations With members of tae White

020rsisi6

SUBSCRIBED and SWORN to before

me this XL day of February, 1974.

l3

Q SAv. (5? S?y9~ lily Carurd£s'*an ban:; winch 15, 1977

A,/ Notary PubEc

3

lTHE MATERIAl DElETED FROM THIS PAGE WAS DElETED BY THE CHAIRMAIN ADD RANg-

11 IDS MINORITY MEMBER AT THE REQVEST OF THE CENTRAl INTEllIGENCE AGENCY BEFORE

i, PRESENTATION TO THE COMMITTEE ON THE J WICIARYo

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57. Early in 1973 John Dean met with Assistant Attorney General

Petersen. Petersen showed Dean documents delivered by the CIA to the

Department of Justice, including copies of the photographs connecting

Howard Hunt and Gordon Liddy with Dr. Fielding's office. On a second

occasion prior to February 9, 1973 Dean met with Petersen and discussed

what the Department of Justice would do if requested by the CIA to

return materials. Petersen told him that an indication that the

materials had been sent back to the CIA would have to be made in the

Departments files.

57.1 John Dean testimony, 3 SSC........................978 672

(671)41-021 0 - 74 - 44

57.1 JOHN DEAF TESTIMOXYj JUNE 25, 1973~ 3 SSC 978

g78

He then asked me if I did not think it would be better that Cushmanmentioned no one since he could not remember who it was. I remembersuspecting at the time, as I do today, that Ehrlichman had had myname inserted in the memorandum as a means of getting me to makesure that Cushman would have no names in the memorandum at all.I remember calling General Cushman and telling him that I hadreceived from Ehrlichman a copy of his memorandum and that I wassomewhat surprised to find my name in it. because this was the firsttime I had ester spoken with him. He agreed that we had never talliedand I said that Ehrlichman had suggested to me that, if he could notremember who it was, he, Cushman, probably should not mention

anyone.

A short time later, another memorandum on this subject of whohad asked for Hunt to have the assistance of the CIA come forwardfrom General Cushman and this time no names were mentioned atall. It was after this episode in getting the Cushman statement cor-rected that I had an occasion to discuss this with Colson. Colson toldme that he had been present when lBhrlichman had made the call to

Cushman.The other CIK material relating to Hunt's dealings with the Cut

emanated from a series of questions that had been asked by the MJater-gate prosecutors. I recall a discussion with CIA Director Helms andone of his deputies in Ehrlichman's office when they went over thetype of material that they would be providing to the Department of

Tustice.


to talk with Henry Petersen about the CI.X material and l e shovedme a copV of the information the CIA had provided him, and he told

me Mr. Gray had the same material. I remember that the documenthad attached to it a number of photographs which had come from a

camera—again my text has gotten confused—had come from a camera,the camera which had been returned by Hunt to the CI-t. It is a

camera that had been borrowed by Hunt from the CIA. The pictures,vhich had been processed bV the CITY included a picture of Liddv

standing in front of EllsberS:7s psvehiatrist's office.

I informed Ehrlichman about this and that is the reason that hesubsequently requested that I seek to retrieve the documents before the


I discussed this with Petersen, but he said that thev had receiveda letter in earlv Januarv of this vear from Senator Z[ansfield regardingthe maintenance of all records relating to the ease and that the onlythinfr that he could do would be to extract the document and leave

a card to the effect that the document had been returned to CI I.

I reported this to Ehrlichman and he told me that he thought that

the CIA ought to get all of the material back and that no eard shouldbe left in the file and that national security grounds should be llsed to

withhold release of the information.

On Februarv 9. 1973* I snoke with Director Schlesinger of the CI.-tand asked hini if it would be possible to retrieve the material that had

been sent to the Department of Justice in connection with the Water-vate investigation. I told him that I had discussed this with the

Department of Justice and the) indicated that the v Would merelv leas-e

(672)

58. On February 9, 1973 Dean called CLi Director James Schlesinger.

Dean suggested that the CL/i request the Department of Justice to return

a package of materials that had been sent to the Department of Justice

in connection with the watergate investigation. Deputy CIA Director

Walters contacted Dean on February 21, 1973 and refused Dean's request.

58.1 James Schlesinger memorandum for the record,

February 9, 1973, SSC Exhibit No. 135, 9 SSC3R2S-2C,.........

Page

58.2 James Schlesinger testimony, Senate Armed Services

.Committee, May 14, 1973, 146-47 676

58.3 Vernon Walters memorandum of conversation on

February 21, 1973, May 11, 1973, SSC Exhibit No.

136, 9 SSC 3827....................

58.4 John Dean testimony, 3 SSC 9 78-79 .. . .......

(673)

58.1 JAMES SCHLESINGER EMORSDUM, IMBRUE 9, 1973,

SSC EXHIBIT NO. 135~ 9 SSC 3825-26

382a

EXHIBIT No. 135

WIE. IOLNDUM FOR TilE RECORD

UBJECT: Telephone Call from John Dean

Feb ruary 9, 1 9 7 3

This evening at 6:10 I received a telephone call from John Dean at the White House. Dean indicated that hewanted to discuss two topics.

First, he averted to a package of material that Lad bee.. sent to the Department of Justice in connection with the Watergate

investigation. He suggested that Justice be requested to retuTn this package to the Agency. The only iten that wouldq'left atJustice would be a card in the files indicating that a package had been returned to the Agency, since the material in

the package was no longer 'needed for purposes of the investigation. He indicated 'that the agency had originally provided these

materials to the Department of Justice at the request of The Attorney General and htr. Howard Peterson.

The second subject that '.e .aised leas the pending investigation by the Senate ol the ITT affair in relation tithe

Chilean problem. He felt that this investigation could be |

rather explosive. He also indicated that there might besome sensitive cables at the Agency that might be requestedby the Senate investigators. I indicated to him that whileI had not seen any cables,-I had been briefed on the subjectand that the role of the government appeared to be clean.He expressed his delight at hearing this assessment. I -indicated that I would look into the cables further.

In this connection he mentioned that there is a hot story being passed about in the press, primarily instigated by Seymour Hersh of

the News York Times. The story suggests that sturgis, Who sometimes goes by the code naune Federini, lfas the individualresponsible for the burglarizing of the Chilean Embassy in Washington. He also indicated that he expected SenatorFulbright to request the Justice Department to produce Sturgis for the Senate hearings.

(674)

58.1 JABS SCHLESINGER EMORSDUM, FEBRUARY 9, 1973,

SSC EXHIBIT NO. 135, 9 SSC 3825-26

3896 0

2

I indicated-that I would look further into the matter.

He closed with some jovial remarks about being thebearer of bad tidings, and I inquired what the goodnews might be. Further references were made to pending

appointments at the AEC.

Shortly thereafter I discussed these matters with BillColby who indicated that sturgis has not been on thepayroil for a number of years and that whatever t,heallegations about the Chilean Embassy, the-Agency hasno connection at all.- We also agreed that he woulddiscuss the question of the package relating to theWatergate investigiation with General Walters and adecision would be lade with regard to the appropriate

:tion.

cc:'General Walters

(675)

58. 2 JAMES SCELESINZR TESTIMONY, MY id, 1973, SENATEARMED SERVICES COMMITTEE lq6-47- j


Senator Nunn. Mr. Dean asked you on the 9th of February?

Nr. Schlesinger. Yes, sir.

Senator Nunn. Would you repeat that part, what did he

ask you?

. , Mr.Schlesinger. Mr. Dean called me on the 9th of February

I believe it was the 9th, and he indicated that there was a

package of material in the hands of the FBI or Department of

Justice. I was not familiar with the package at the time of

the call, though I became familiar with it shortly thereafter.

It referred to the package of material referring to the

provisioning of Mr. Hunt in July and August of 1971 which had

been presented to the FBI or the Department of Justice in

the summer and fall of 1972~

I was not familiar with it at that time so I told them

that I would become familiar with it. He asked me to have that

package withdrawn and to place in it a card which stated that

this material had been withdrawn at the request of the Central

Intelligence Agency since it no longer served any useful

purpose in the investigation. As I indicated on Friday when I

discussed this matter, I believe, Senator, you were not here

at the time, that this struck me at the time as a very strange

maneuver.

I discussed the matter with Mr. Colby and General Walters

probably within a half hour after the time of receiving this

call from Mr. Dean and instructed General Walters to go back


(676)

146

58. 2 JAMES SCHLESINGER TESTI1@7NY, 1<4Y id, 1973, SENATE

_ ARMED SERVICES COh§!{ZTTEE, 146-47 _


the next morning and tell Mr. Dean that we could not possibly

do such a thing. As I mentioned also Friday, this would seem

to me to be inconsistent with the letter that had been sent

to a number of Federal agencies, including the Central

Intelligence Agency, by Senator Mansfield instrucking [sici all

| agencies to do nothing to eliminate any material that bore on

| the Watergate affair.

Senator Nunn. Well, I was just really probing to see

what do you suspect the motivation for that was? It seems to

me it could have been one of two things [siC]. Number 1, to impli-

cate the CIA as having gotten the evidence back, therefore,

by innuendo you had something to hide, or, number 2, to get

rid of the actual evidence itself. Which one of those or --

Mr. Schlesinger. Of course, a number of thoughts

occurred to my mind at the time which I discussed subsequently

with General Walters. The obvious amongst the two alternatives

that you have presented, Senator, it is obvious I think that

it had to be number 1 rather than number 2. Everybody at

the FBI was familiar with this material at that point. The

withdrawal of that material and leaving a card in the file

saying that the material had been withdrawn to Langley would

quite obviously point an arrow at Langley, Virginia and this

thought did not escape me at the time or did not escape General

Walters.

Senator Nunn. So this could have been a last effort to

Indistinct document retyped by IHouse Judiciary Cownittee staff i

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147

58.3 ERAtOX METERS £K~DUM, SY 11, 1973, SSC EXHIBIT NO. 136v

9 ssc 3827

3827

EXHIBIT No. 136

11 May 1973

MEMORANDUM OF CONVERSATION ON FEBRUARY Z1, 1973

At the request of the Director, Dr. Schlesinger, I called on

Mr. John Dean at his office at the White House at 1430. I explained

to him that, in connection with his request that the Agency ask the

Department of Justice to return a package of material that had been

sent to them in connection with the Watergate investigation, it was

quite impossible for us to request the return of.this, as this would

simply mean that a note would be left in the Department of Justice

files that the material had been sent back to the Agency, and we

had been asked not to destroy any material in any way related to this

case. 1 again told him that there was no Agency involvement in this

case and that any attempt to involve the Agency in it could only be

harmful to the United states. He seemed disappointed. I then left.

Vernon A. Walters


Deputy Director

(678)

58.4 JOSE DES 2SISOUY, JUNE 25~ 1973, 3 SSC 978-79

578

He then asked me if I did not think it vs-ould be better that Cushman

mentioned no one since he could slot remember who it xvas. I remembersuspecting at the time, as I do today that Ehrlichman had had mvnflme inserted in the memorandum as a means of vetting me to malXesure that Cushman vs-ould hare no names in the memorandum at allI remember calling General Cushman and telling him that I hadreceived from Ehrlichman a copy of his memorandum and that I wassomewhat surprised to find my name in it because this was the firsttime I hfld ever spoken with him. He agreed that we had never talkedand I said that Ehrlichman had suggested to me that, if he could notremember who it was, he, Cushman, I)robablv should not mention

anyone.

A short time later, another memorandum on this subject of rho

had aslied for Hunt to have the assistance o.f the CIA come forwardfrom General Cushman and this time no names were mentioned atall. It novas after this episode in getting the Cushman statement cor-rected that I had an occasion to discuss this with Colson. Colson toldme that he had been present when Ehrlichman had made the call to

Cushman.

The other CIA material relating to Hunt's dealings with the CIt

emanated from a series of questions that had been asked be- the Mrater-gate prosecutors. I recall a discussion with CIA Director Helms andone of his deputies in Ehrlichman's office when they went over thetype of material that they would be providing to the Department of

Justice.


to talk with Henry Petersen about the CIX material and he showedme,a copy of the information the CI X had provided him. and he toldme Mr. Gray had the same material. I remember that the documenthad attached to it 89 number of photographs which had come from acamera—again my text has gotten confused—had come from a camera.the camera which had been returned by Hunt to the CI\. It is acamera that had been borrowed by Hunt from the CIA. The pictures,vhich had been processed bV the CI\. included a picture of Liddv

standing in front of Ellsberg's psvehiatrist's office.

I informed Ehrlichman about this and that is the reason that he

subsequently requested that I seek to retrieve the documents before the


I discussed this with Petersen, but he said that thev had received

a letter in early .Januarv of this vear from Senator Mansfield regardingthe maintenance of all records relating to the case and that the onlvthing that he could do would be to extract the document anal lease

a card to the effect that the document had been returned to CI A.

I reported this to Ehrlichman and he told me that he thought that

the CIA ought to get all of the material back nncl that no card shouldbe left in the file and that national security grounds should be used to

svithhold release of the information. : :

On Februarv 9. 197.3, I snoke with Director Schlesingerer of the CI.\

and asked hint if it would be possible to retrieve the material that hadbeen sent to the Department of Justice ill connection Writs the Water-

tate investigation. I told him that I had discussed this Keith thenonarf monf of Solstice and thes indicated that thev should mel elf leave

(679)

58. 4 JOHG DES TESTIMONY, JUDE 25, 1973, 3 SSC 978-79

979

a card in their files indicating that the material had been returned

to the CIA.

I subsequently had a visit from General Walters in late February

at which time he told me that the CIA was opposed to retrieving thematerial and leasing a card indicating that they had so retrieved itbecause they also had been requested by the Senate not to destroy anymaterial relating to the case. I told Wafters that I did not Suggest thatthe material Abe destroyed; rather I thought that national securitygrounds might justify withholding release of the information to Senateinvestigators. He said it simply could not be done and I dropped the

matter.

As I will explain later in a meeting with Xvir. lRrogh, the fact that

this material was in the possession of the Department of Justice meantto me that it was inevitable that the burglary of Ellsberg's psJrchia-trist's office would be discovered. I felt that any investigator worth hissalt would certainly be able to look at the pictures in the files at theDepartment of Justice and immediately determine the location andfrom there discover the fact that there had been a burglary of the

office that was in the picture.

I would now like to turn to the White House plans for dealing with

this committee.

LVHI15: Ho~asE PINION FOR PWPE~A~N-G WE COVEREP THROUGRO~

15HE SENATE WATERGATE IN\~SZGA=ON

Even before the Watergate criminal trial in January of this year,

there had been press reports and rumors that the Senate plannedindependent hearinfirs on the Watergate and related matters. The WhiteHouse Congressional Relations Staff reported that the subject of lVa-tergate hearings was being discussed in the Senate Democratic PolievCommittee, but thev did not know the substance of those discussions.I was aware of the interest of Ehrlichman and Haldeman in the pros-pects of such hearings because they had discussed it with me, and

Bill Timmons told me thev had discussed it with him.

On December 13, 1972* Timmons informed me that Senator Jackson

was coming to the White House for a meeting with the President.Timmons said that Senator Jackson was a member of the SenateDemocratic Policy Committee and had an excellent rapport with thePresident. Timmons asked ;me what I thought about hanina the Presi-dent~inquire of Senator Jackson regarding the potential of a Senateinquiry into the Watergate. I responded that I thought it was a goodidea, but would have to check. Timmons said the meeting with SenatorJackson lvas going to be without staff present, and asked -me to drafta memorandum to the President raising the issue. I told him I would

check with Haldeman.

I prepared a memorandum for the President and went to Halde

man's office, but he svas not there. He was in the President's office withAIDE. Ann Armstrongs who Ens discussing with the President ioinin

the White House staff. A meetino had been scheduled in Sir. Halde-man's office at which Ehrlic}~man. Aloore, Ziegler, and I wele to attend.

Helen F,hrlicllmall came to Haldeman's office for the meeting I raisedthe matter of the President's asking Senator.Tackson about the hear-

ings because I did not have ntltllol itv to send memorandlluls dizYctl~-

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