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Solutions for R&D to Design

KIChE Fall Meeting

Industrial Practice for Process Operation and R&D – Present and Future

Conceptual Design and Its Role in Process Design

October 2006Dr. Yoshio Kumagae, preFEED Corporation

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Agenda

Freshman and Experienced Engineer

Challenges

Rigorous Simulation vs. Common Sense

1.Distillation, or not ?

2.Install Steam Turbine, or not ?

3. Which can capture the image ?

Recommendations

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Freshman vs. Experienced Engineer

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Size of a pipe for 100 m3/hr water ?

• If the velocity is 10 m/s, then the size is 59 mmD. • If 100 m/s, then 19mmD.

• The diameter should be 130 –190 mm,

• because the velocity must be 1-2 m/s for liquids.

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Experienced EngineerExperienced Engineer can

• estimate the approximate size of equipment without computer.• check the detailed calculation without computer.

Experienced engineer has the knowledge of standard values, first question to ask, quick calculation, meaning of parameter value.

He has common sense of process design !

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Challenges

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2010

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Year

Popu

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70%

Less than 30 yrs old

All ages

• Population of 0-14 yrs old, source of future engineers, will decrease to 1/2 (2025/1980).• The human resources will be reduced further.

“Are you interested in science?”

Future

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On the other hand, Your Company’s Expectation from You Is..

How many years will your boss be patient for you to accumulate experience ?

Typical Answer by Managers:

“5 years” after joining the company

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How About Today’s Engineers ?

Results of 100 Common Sense Questions

Never heard ofNot sureKnow well

How to usetriangle diagram ?

Meaning of parameter"B" of Antoine equation ?

If realtive volatility is 2,is it a difficult separation ?

Concern over today and future

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Today’s Challenges and Needs for Training

• Gap between expectation and reality

• Concern over future human resources

Reasons why we need to train our engineers

Train engineers so that (1) they can make the best use of process simulator if applicable and (2) they can design processes without

simulator if not applicable.

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Rigorous Simulation vs. Common Sense

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Many design options are theoretically feasible, but only a small number of designs have survived. They have technical and/or economical reasons.

The knowledge related to them are accumulated in each experienced engineers after a long trial and error efforts.

They are called “rule-of-thumb”, “heuristics”, “back-of-the-envelope calculation”, “common sense (of process design”, which are related to conceptual process design.

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Rigorous Simulation vs. Common Sense

1. Distillation, or not ?

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Separation of o-/p- dichlorobenzene (bp=180/174 C)

B: Run more case studies. Nth= 50, 100, 150 and RR= 10, 50, 100.

I used AspenPlus to calculate the distillation

column. It looks the separation is not easy. Should I continue the case studies? Or do

you have some suggestions?

A: Let me check your

calculation first. Can you send

me the simulation file?

C: As the boiling points difference is only 6C,

distillation is not practical. Make

research on other separations.

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Crystallization for p-dichlorobenzene production

Crystallizer No. 2 Crystallizer No. 1 Purifier

Product

HeaterCoolantCoolant

Residue

Feed

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We may realize this fact after many case studies.

Why 6C Difficult for Distillation ?

Better way ?

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Why 6C Difficult for Distillation ?

Nact=1350/ΔTRigorously speaking, we need components, VLE, target purity to calculate the number of

stages.However, existing columns have common

features.“Molecular Chemical Engineering for Process Design”

(Kawai, Mitsubishi Kasei, November 1987)

Common Sense As“Quick calculation method from experience”

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Rigorous Simulation vs. Common Sense

2. Install Steam Turbine, or not ?

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What Is Best for Energy Saving ?

Do you think it a good idea to install

steam turbine to save energy of my

plant site?

Maybe. Do you know the steam

demand and electricity demand

on your site?

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Energy Saving Planning

Total steam consumption is 300 t/hr and electricity

consumption is 100 MW.

My suggestion is that you consider Gas Turbine

first. You can also study steam turbine to combine

with gas turbine.

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Steam turbine system produces steam [t/h] and electricity [MW] with the ratio of 6-17.

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][]/[

MWyelectricithrtsteam

= 2 - 4

= 1.5 - 3

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Common Sense As“Procedure and figures from experience”

0 2 4 6 8 10 12 14

Refinery Chemical Plant

Steam TurbineGas TurbineCombined cycle

Start the energy saving

here.Steam is easier to reduce than

electricity

Install Gas Turbine and Combined

Cycle to reduce electricity further.

Introduce site steam turbine

system to reduce

electricity cost.

Further energy

saving is difficult.

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Rigorous Simulation vs. Common Sense

3. Which can capture the image ?

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“We conducted experimental study, ran simulator and found (A) this

reaction is in 1st order and (B) the rate constant is 10 [1/min].”

“Is it a fast reaction ?”

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Answer #1

• Look at unit of k=10 [1/min].

• [1/min] is not familiar to us, but [min] is a familiar unit.

• Take the inverse of [1/min], then we obtain 0.1 [min].

• This must be some time constant related to this reaction. 0.1min is 6 sec.

• This sounds like a fast reaction, but I should compare it with other time constants such as residence time of reactor.

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Answer #2, more theoretically

A0Bkte e

AA −=

0kA

dtdA

−=

AetB

1. half-time = ln(2)/k = 0.693/10 = 0.0693 min = 4.2 sec

1’. “time to 1/e (≈40%) = 1/k = 0.1 min = 6 sec

2. We need other time constants for comparison.

Common Sense FromTheory (Physical Chemistry)

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Recommendation

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• Common sense, rule-of-thumb, heuristics, back-of-the-envelope calculation are critical for correct judgment to complicated calculations.

• Their sources are not only experience but also physical chemistry.

• They are essential compliment to process simulation for conceptual process design.

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Experimental Work

Modeling & Simulation

A new finding

Prediction from initial model

Check the results with

Rule-Of-Thumb

Check the results with

Rule-Of-Thumb

Additional data

Refined model

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Solutions for R&D to Design

Thank you for your attention !PreFEED Corporation provide

(1) Advanced Chemical Engineering Training (Data Analysis; Phase Equilibrium; Batch vs. Continuous; Modeling; Rule-Of-Thumb)

(2) Modeling Consultancy

(3) Support to Equation Solver