LGPS INVESTMENT POOLING: IMPLICATIONS FOR PROPERTY Wednesday 9 November 2016 Chair: John Forbes, John Forbes Consulting LLP Speakers: Simon Jones, Hymans Robertson LLP Mike Dinsdale, Aberdeen Asset Management Panel: Peter Hugh-Smith, Capita Asset Services John Styles, Knight Frank Investment Management LLP
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LGPS INVESTMENT POOLING:IMPLICATIONS FOR PROPERTY
Wednesday 9 November 2016
Chair: John Forbes, John Forbes Consulting LLP
Speakers: Simon Jones, Hymans Robertson LLPMike Dinsdale, Aberdeen Asset Management
Panel: Peter Hugh-Smith, Capita Asset ServicesJohn Styles, Knight Frank Investment Management LLP
Hymans Robertson LLP is authorised and regulated by the Financial Conduct Authority
• Big potential area of savings, but• What is the right model for each Pool?• Depends on:
‒ Level of expertise in Pool‒ Willingness to take more direct exposure‒ Being able to access attractive opportunities
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UK Local Government Pension Schemes PoolingProperty thoughts
9 November 2016
Michael Dinsdale
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‘Pooling property is different …’
Property is:• ‘Difficult’• ‘Not a priority’• ‘Can wait’
But is it?• Complicated, yes, but:
– All have to think beyond self-interest– Look at ‘why property’?– Efficiencies could be significant– A school of thought that property could
be an ‘easy win’?
Property different? Yes, but not that different
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The LGPS property landscape in England and Wales
Circa £14.4bn of
property AuM
Circa45%held
directly
Circa55%held
indirectly
Majority held indirectly
Mar 15 numbers
But analysing the data is difficult, so E&OE!Source: Pensionsperformance.com, Aberdeen Asset Management estimates, Mar 15
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What will property look like in the Pools?
Single, national Pool?
Status quo?
Pool by Pool?
Indirect perhaps faces a more uncertain future
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How the property holding type varies, Pool to Pool
The property ‘solution’ may vary Pool to Pool
… Source: Pensionsperformance.com, Aberdeen Asset Management, Mar 15
How much property? £0.7bn £3.1bn
Of which direct holdings are: £0.0bn £ ?
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How could it work?
Direct Segregated PMM Indirect
The Pool’s offering
Individual LGPS holdings The pool
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Transferred?
Liquidated?
This might take time …
The Pool’s offering
The Pool
Suitable to transfer?
Indirect holdings
Sales
Existing
From ‘D-Day’, existing mandates in ‘run-off’
ALL New Money
New allocations
Direct holdings
… and virtual pooling might be part of a solution?
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… and you should look before you leap
Indirect• Don’t destroy value!• Who owns what?• Natural timescales
A plan is needed …
Direct• Costs, even without SDLT• Who is in charge?• Which ‘bucket’?
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Business as usual – this process could take a long time
What next?
Unprecedented change – everyone is on a steep learning curve
Paying pensions is still why we are all here …
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LGPS INVESTMENT POOLING:IMPLICATIONS FOR PROPERTY
Wednesday 9 November 2016
Chair: John Forbes, John Forbes Consulting LLP
Speakers: Simon Jones, Hymans Robertson LLPMike Dinsdale, Aberdeen Asset Management
Panel: Peter Hugh-Smith, Capita Asset ServicesJohn Styles, Knight Frank Investment Management LLP