TAPED TRANSCRIPT OF ANNIE DOWNING INTERVIEW CONDUCTED BY CORPORAL YURI MELICH CASE NUMBER — 08-74777 JANUARY 6, 2009 YM — CORPORAL YURI MELICH EE — CORPORAL WILLIAM "ERIC" EDWARDS LD — LINDA DRANE BURDICK, ESQUIRE WL — WARREN LINDSEY, ESQUIRE AD — MS. ANNIE DOWNING LD: Alright, today's date is January 6, 2009. The time is approximately 1:35 p.m. WL: I still write 8 on.... YM: Thank you. WL: ....2008. I can't.... LD: EE: We're on. LD: I said 2009 right (unintelligible). WL: You did. You did. EE: We're on. LD: Ready? EE: Yes ma'am. LD: Alright, uhm, today's date is January 7, 2009. We're at the office of the State Attorney, at 415 North Orange Avenue, OWLando, Florida. My name is Linda Drane-Burdick. I'm the Assistant State Attorney here at the office of Lawson Lamar. Also present in the room is uhm, Detective Yuri Melich with the Orange County Sheriff's Office, and Detective Eric Edwards, also with the Orange County 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 1 Downing, Annie/Case #08-74777/GG
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TAPED TRANSCRIPT OF ANNIE DOWNING
INTERVIEW CONDUCTED BY CORPORAL YURI MELICH
CASE NUMBER — 08-74777
JANUARY 6, 2009
YM — CORPORAL YURI MELICH
EE — CORPORAL WILLIAM "ERIC" EDWARDS
LD — LINDA DRANE BURDICK, ESQUIRE
WL — WARREN LINDSEY, ESQUIRE
AD — MS. ANNIE DOWNING
LD: Alright, today's date is January 6, 2009. The time is approximately 1:35 p.m.
WL: I still write 8 on....
YM: Thank you.
WL: ....2008. I can't....
LD:
EE: We're on.
LD: I said 2009 right (unintelligible).
WL: You did. You did.
EE: We're on.
LD: Ready?
EE: Yes ma'am.
LD: Alright, uhm, today's date is January 7, 2009. We're at the office of the State
Attorney, at 415 North Orange Avenue, OWLando, Florida. My name is Linda
Drane-Burdick. I'm the Assistant State Attorney here at the office of Lawson
Lamar. Also present in the room is uhm, Detective Yuri Melich with the Orange
County Sheriff's Office, and Detective Eric Edwards, also with the Orange County
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Sheriff's Office. Uhm, we have a witness here who will be sworn shortly. Uhm,
2 and also uh, with the witness is a lawyer by the name of Warren Lindsey, who
3 came with the witness. Uhm, first of all, if you could state your full name?
4 AD: Annie Leigh Downing.
5 LD: Alright. Ms. Downing, uh, you are here in response to a State Attorney
6 investigative subpoena uhm, that was served on you some weeks ago uh, initially
7 for an appearance to uhm, be here on December 1 1 th of 2008. Uh, events of that
8 day required a postponement, and you are appearing here now today, January
9 7th uh, in response to that same subpoena. Okay, you understand that?
10 AD: Yes ma'am.
11 LD: Uh, you brought this, brought a lawyer with you, uh, as well. Have you had the
12 opportunity, or do you feel you had, had the opportunity to uhm, discuss with
13 your lawyer uh, the protections that the investigative subpoena affords you?
14 AD: Yes ma'am.
15 LD: Did you have any questions about that....
16 AD: No.
17 LD: ... before we begin? Uhm, you understand uh, that your testimony here is being
18 compelled, and that you do not have any uh, right to refuse to answer questions?
19 AD: Yes ma'am.
20 LD: Okay. Uhm, do you also understand that what you tell us will not be held against
21 you uh, unless you provide uh, the false testimony to us?
22 AD: Yes ma'am, I understand.
23 LD: Okay. Are you ready to begin?
24 AD: Yes ma'am.
25 LD: Alright, uhm, one of these detectives will swear you.
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YM: Would you raise your right hand for. me? Do you swear and affirm the
statements you're about to give are true to the best of your knowledge?
AD: Yes sir.
YM: Okay. I'm Yuri Melich with the Sheriff's Office. Good afternoon. One of the
reasons we wanted to bring you down here obviously is because we're
investigating the case of Caylee Anthony. Orange County case number 08-
074777. Uh, as part of our investigation we've talked to a lot of Casey's friends.
A lot of people just know Casey in passing.
AD: Uh-hum (affirmative).
YM: And our ultimate goal was just to get uh, a good idea of what Casey was like
before I met her, which was....
AD: Uh-hum (affirmative).
YM: ... on July 16th . Before I even start asking any questions, let me ask you, why do
you think we would want to talk to you about Casey?
AD: Because I was one of her best friends at one time.
YM: And what information do you think we are going to be asking you about Casey in
regards to this case?
AD: I don't have the slightest idea. Maybe the type of person she is, or was.
YM: Okay. How long have you known Casey?
AD: Probably since I was in tenth grade.
YM: Okay, and you guys...
AD: Which would be, I graduated in '03.
EE: Let me simplify this if, if I may for a second. Did you watch any of this on TV?
It's hard not to. I mean there's, it's all over the (inaudible).
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1 EE: You know, you haven't seen any of it?
2 AD; Uh, no, not, not for the last few months I can't.
3 EE; So if there was anything that you saw and said boy they, if they're curious about
4 that, if they knew this that would make sense to them now. You see what I'm
5 trying to say? Is there anything about her life like you would, that you eluded to
6 there, uhm?
7 AD; Uh, I don't quite understand what you're asking me.
8 EE: Is there anything that, that, that uh, you think that we need to know before we
9 start asking our questions. What we're trying to do here is see the level of
10 cooperation or information that you're willing to give us freely before we start
11 asking direct and pointed questions.
12 AD: In regards to?
13 EE: Her and her lifestyle and the baby.
14 AD: Uh, I think that the media, whether it's you or the media, has put her out to be
15 somebody who I don't know her to be.
16 EE: Okay.
17 AD: But again, we weren't really the best of friends when all this happened.
18 EE: Okay, fair enough. Well we'll go the question route.
19 YM: Okay. Knew each other since tenth grade, went to the same high school
20 together, Colonial High?
21 EE: Yes sir.
22 YM: And uh, in your group of friends, who would you say your group of friends were
23 when you guys were going to high school?
24 AD: When I was going to high school I wasn't really friends with her.
25 YM: Oh, okay.
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AD: And I, I knew her. I knew who she was. I knew her friends. The people that I,
2 that are my friends now, I didn't really, they weren't my group of friends in high
3 school.
4 YM: What was she like in high school?
5 AD: Athlete.
6 YM: Uh-hum (affirmative).
7 AD: Uhm, socially I really didn't know her.
8 YM: Okay, you never went to parties with her or anything like that?
9 AD: No sir.
10 YM: When did you, you say you, before we even started you, I asked you why you
11 thought you were here. You said because you and she were best friends at one
12 time.
13 AD: Uh-hum (affirmative).
14 YM: When did you guys become friends, and best friends?
15 AD: (Sighs.) It's '09 now.
16 YM: You want to use a gauge of when the child was born then kind of go from there.
17 AD: Caylee was, it was at the be... Caylee's second birthday was August of oh... , it
18 would have been '07 because '08 she would have been three.
19 YM: Uh-hum (affirmative).
20 AD: So the end of '06?
21 YM: So end of
22 AD: The last couple months of '06, the first three to five months of '07. No, because I
23 still went to Caylee's birthday. So the end, end of '06, beginning '07 to a few
24 months after Caylee's birthday is when we were very good friends.
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Second birthday.
...last year in '07?
In '07.
Okay.
Two years ago.
Two years ago. So you guys were best friends for about a year roughly?
Roughly, yes.
And did you ever live together at all?
No sir.
Where were you living when you first uh, I guess became friends with her? Oh,
not, not in high school, you said you became best friends. Where were you living
in '06?
In '06 I was at Sawgrass Apartments.
Okay, who were you living with?
My ex-boyfriend, Dante Salati.
And how long did you live there until?
(Sighs.) March of `0...'07 I believe. I'm not exactly sure of the month or the date.
But definitely it was March uh, within a couple months of '07. Beginning of '07.
Do you know when, do you remember when you moved in there? How long you
lived there?
We resigned a lease in October/November of the year prior. We lived there for a
full year. So we renewed our lease and I was only there for a few more months.
so you renewed your lease in '07?
Yes.
And, no you....
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AD: No, no, '06.
2 YM: ... got it in March '07. And you renewed it in October of '06. You were there in
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4 AD: Roughly.
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6 AD: October, November.
7 YM: ... so from 2005, October....
8 AD: I was there a little bit less than a year and a half.
9 YM: You always live with Dante the whole time?
10 AD: Yes, just me and him.
11 YM: Were there any other of your, of your mutual friends that lived at Sawgrass at the
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13 AD: He knew somebody that lived there. I don't know their name. Uhm, and I had a
14 friend of mine that lived there briefly when we first moved in.
15 YM: And what's her name?
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18 AD: Uh, her name was CaWLy Layton.
19 LD: You have her spelling?
20 AD: C-A-R-L-Y I believe. I'm not positive. And then L-A-Y-T-O-N.
21 YM: And she lived in Sawgrass what time period?
22 AD: It had to have been when we first moved in because she moved out.
23 YM: So end of '05, beginning of '06?
24 AD: Yes.
25 YM: And what part of Sawgrass did she live in?
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1 AD: She lived past me. I don't, building number I don't know anything...
2 YM: Towards the back? Towards the front?
3 AD: It was uh, maybe a building or two over from me, but past, towards the back.
4 YM: Go...
5 AD: Yes.
6 YM: Through the front entrance, and past the uh, office?
7 AD: Past where I lived.
8 YM: Around the corner?
9 AD: Past where I lived, a couple buildings down on the first floor.
10 YM: Anyone else that you guys knew as mutual friends that lived over in Sawgrass?
11 AD: Not that I can, not, not that I can recall.
12 YM: What about after you moved out? Did you, uh, aside from Dante who's still living
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14 AD: I've never been back so I don't know if anybody that lives there.
15 YM: So you never went back to Sawgrass at all since you moved out?
16 AD: Not since I moved out.
17 YM: So you haven't been back since March of '07 roughly?
18 AD: Not that I can recall, no.
19 YM: You never went to a party there or....
20 AD: No sir.
21 YM: ... met anyone there? Or just use it as kind of a, a staging area to meet, get in
22 the car and go?
23 AD: No sir.
24 YM: Okay. In the year or so that you were best friends with Casey, how would you
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1 she a homebody? Did she like to go out and party? What, what was she, what
2 was she like?
3 AD: Uh, uh, she appeared to be more of a homebody. Uhm, uh, she, we liked to go
4 shopping. That's what we did. We went shopping. Uhm, you know, I, I, I'm
5 young. I do go out. I do party. And most of the time she wasn't there. With my
6 group of friends.
7 YM: Uh-hum (affirmative).
8 AD: Uhm, she was definitely to me more than a, more of a homebody.
9 YM: So she was best friends with you but you didn't have the same group of friends
10 or?
11 AD: No, no, no, we do. We, we do....
12 YM: Okay.
13 AD: ... have the same group of friends. But she never went out because she had
14 Caylee.
15 YM: Who were your, who were your group of friends when you guys were best
16 friends? Who were your group of friends?
17 AD: (Sighs.) Sean Daly, I mean I have a huge group of friends.
18 YM: Uh-hum (affirmative).
19 AD: Uhm, Brandon Snow, uh, Jonathan Daly, uhm, my ex-boyfriend, Dante.
20 YM: Uh-hum (affirmative).
21 AD: Corey. lassen. Uh, I'm probably, I'm leaving people out. I, I know that I am.
22 YM: Uh-hum (affirmative).
23 AD: Uhm, Daniel. I, I have a, there's a lot of friends.
24 YM: But a lot of people that we've already talked to uh, in essence.
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You're saying your group of...
I don't know.
...friends.
I don't know who, who you've talked to.
So Casey was described as a homebody? Maybe you guys go shopping
together? When she...
And she occasionally did go out.
When she did go out what would you guys normally do? What was your idea of
a good time?
Well we'd throw parties, uhm, or go downtown. But that's mainly it.
How'd uh, when she went out, as far as drinking, how is she as a drinker?
She rarely, rarely got wasted. She most of the time drove so she'd have a beer
or two and be done.
Uh-hum (affirmative). What...
When she was around me.
What about on her twenty-first birthday party?
She got annihilated.
Okay. What about uh, what about drugs when you guys went out as far as
recreational drugs, whether it be Ecstasy or, or Zanax or, or smoking marijuana,
or doing cocaine? Anything like that? Well what do you know that she would
do?
Nothing. She never did anything around me.
Okay. What do you know that she would do?
I don't know that she's ever done anything.
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YM: She never talked to you or told you that she tried with this, or experimented with
this?
AD: No sir, not to my knowledge.
YM: So in the whole time that you guys were best friends, I'm just narrowing it
between '06 and '07 now, she never told you hey, I went out, whether you were
there or not, or whether you were present or not, she never told you anything
about hey, I just popped this? Boy it makes you feel good. Hey, I just took this?
AD: Not that I can remember, no sir.
YM: Did she ever ask you if you had a connection, or could help her with getting any
type of drug?
AD: No sir.
YM: Did you ever have, let me rephrase that. When was the last time you ever had a
prescription for Zanax?
AD: Last time I had a prescription for Zanax I was a junior/senior in college. I think
more my junior year of college. And I went straight to college out of high school.
YM: So you graduated '03, so you're talking about '05 is the last time you had a
prescription for Zanax?
AD: '05? Listen I'm not exactly sure. I don't remember the last time I went to that
doctor.
YM: And what were you taking the Zanax for, anxiety or?
AD: Yes sir.
YM: What doctor was it?
AD: Oh, God, I have no clue.
YM: Okay.
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AD: I could tell you where the office is. What the doctor's name was I don't
remember.
YM: Where was the office?
AD: Uhm, if you take 436 north to Aloma you'd make a left on Aloma. And it's a, the
building's on the left hand side. You have to make a U-turn to get to it.
YM: So it's near Aloma and 436?
AD: Yeah (affirmative), it's maybe a block or two down uhm....
YM: On Aloma?
AD: On Aloma. If....
YM: East or west? Towards....
AD: It'd be west. Because you'd be going north and make a left, so it'd be west.
YM: Okay.
AD: I'd have, I mean I'd have to check my insurance to see what the name of the
doctor was.
YM: When uhm, when you had this prescription for Zanax did you ever, oh, did Casey
ever ask you for a pill, either for, not telling you where she was going to, what
she was going to do with it, but did she ever ask you for a pill or say...
AD: No sir.
YM: ... hey, do you have any? Did she ever try and buy a pill from you?
AD: No sir.
YM: What if I told you that she had conversations with people that you had access to
Zanax and she was able to get it from you, and she was kind of telling her friends
that? What, what would you say to that?
AD: It's not the truth. Not for me. (Inaudible).
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YM: Not from you? Is there any other person that you guys know of in your group of
friends named Annie that uh, had a prescription for Zanax that you know of?
AD: I'm the only person that I know of named Annie.
YM: I want to show you something that, this is a... off of unallocated clusters. It's uh,
there were bookmarks on the top page one. And it's got a case number listed on
the left. It's actually her old case number, 08-069208. Take a second if you
would and just go ahead and read through this. It's a chat log. It starts off with
the first person there is Marie. Uhm, take a second to read that and then tell me
when you're done.
AD: Okay.
YM: Do you recognize any of the uh, I'm going to use the word handles, or any of the
uh, labels over here as being someone you know?
AD: Yeah (affirmative), I know Casey's screen name.
YM: Okay. Is Casey 0. Marie Casey Anthony's screen name?
AD: It's one I've talked to her on, yes.
YM: What about Special Agent Jag 4? Do you know who that is?
AD: No sir.
YM: Okay. We do. We talked to him. And we asked him about this conversation.
And he narrowed it down that this took place roughly the middle to end of 2007.
And I want to say last year, but I know it's now two years ago. Uhm, does this,
the reason I asked you the questions before is based on, partially based on this
sheet right over here where it says, "I can hit my friend Annie up for some
Zanax." Why would Casey be telling people that she could hit you up for Zanax if
you've never given it to her and you're the only Annie we know that had a
prescription for Zanax? Why would she say that to people?
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AD: I don't know. Uh, and she knew I had a prescription for it. Whether or not she
thought I could, I would give it to her that's beyond me.
YM: And you're saying you never gave her any Zanax?
AD: No sir.
YM: Did you ever find any Zanax missing and uh, and thought she may have taken it?
AD: I didn't count my pills. I, I didn't know. I, I, I wouldn't be able to tell you the
honest truth (inaudible).
YM: Did you ever suspect her of taking anything from you such as Zanax or pills?
AD: No, not to my knowledge. But again, I didn't count my pills.
YM: Okay. So....
AD: And it was a, it was a as needed uh, prescription. It wasn't a, I wasn't taking it on
a regular basis. So I....
YM: Did you ever, did you end up taking all the bot... all the pills in the bottle, like....
AD: Yeah (affirmative), I fi... I finished the bottle.
YM: You did finish it?
AD: Yes sir.
YM: The bottle was finished?
AD: Uh-hum (affirmative).
YM: How long did that bottle last you do you know?
AD: I wouldn't be able to tell you. Months.
YM: Okay. And again, roughly '05, '06, but we'd be able to check with....
AD: I, I....
YM: ...the doctor?
AD: I'd have to check. I....
YM: Could it have been '07?
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AD: (Sighs.) I graduated college in '07. August of '07. No, I don't think so. Uh, I
2 could be wrong. I don't know. I, uh, I don't feel comfortable saying yes, I know
3 for sure, without looking at my medical history.
4 YM: Okay.
5 AD: But I, I don't think so.
6 YM: Uh, uh, how, oh, one of the things I, I'd like to ask you, and through your attorney
7 maybe you can help us out, is I'd like to get the name of the doctor who
8 prescribed you the Zanax. So if that's something that you can get to Mr. Lindsey,
9 and Mr. Lindsey....
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11 YM: ...can give it to me appreciate it. How would you explain that sentence? Just
12 h... in your own opinion how would you explain Casey saying that?
13 AD: Uhm....
14 YM: What, what...
15 AD: ... untrue.
16 YM: Okay.
17 AD: Absolutely untrue.
18 YM: So she, she's just pretty much lying, saying that you can, she could hit you up for
19 Zanax and, because uh, you read this, and correct me if I'm wrong, it seems to
20 me like it's not a hard thing for her to do is just call you up and say hey, give me
21 some Zani's. Or can I have some of this, and you'd be able to provide it. That's
22 what I read into this. Do you read it a different way or...
23 AD: No, no, I, I, I, I read it the same way you do, but I....
24 YM: But this is un...
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1 YM: This is untrue?
2 EE: You need a break?
3 YM: Yeah (affirmative), okay. I'm going to stop the tape now in just a moment.
4 EE: Hit pause.
5 LD: Alright, what time is it?
6 YM: Just....the time right now is 1:52. Hit play and hit the pause button.
7 EE: Maybe.
8 (Interview stops and resumes shortly thereafter.)
9 YM: Alright, we're back on tape, and it is uh, 1354. Uhm, in regards, again, in regards
10 to this conversation, you, no explanation other than it was a lie?
11 AD: It's completely untrue. Like it's my prescription, is, was for me and my medical
12 necessity.
13 YM: Okay. And you never gave that pill to, to Casey?
14 AD: No sir, not....
15 YM: And did you ever give it to anyone, did you ever give Zanax pills of your, from
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17 AD: Yes sir.
18 YM: Okay. Do you know if any of these people ever gave it to Casey?
19 AD: No.
20 YM: So this couldn't have been hey, I could hit up Annie, but in truth, she'd be calling
21 someone to ask you to give it?
22 AD: Yeah (affirmative). I, one person, one time, and that was it.
23 YM: Who was it?
24 AD: And I saw them take it.
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AD: Uh, (sighs).
2 YM: It's to... it's not a hard question.
3 WL: Answer, answer every question.
4 AD: Uh, Sean Daly.
5 YM: Okay. I'm not, I'm not here to jam any, uh....
6 AD: Okay.
7 YM: ...to jam Sean up or...
8 AD: And I'm nervous, so (chuckles).
9 YM: Annie, and that's okay. I'm not here to make you nervous. I understand the
10 environment may make you nervous.
11 AD: Yeah (affirmative).
12 YM: But uh, so going back to, to drug use. As far as you know you don't know of any
13 drugs that Casey would have taken? And I focused it on the times between '06
14 and '07 when you were best friends. Now I'm going to make this over all. In the
15 time that you've known her, you, you, you're, you're tearing up here.
16 AD: I am.
17 YM: What's the matter?
18 AD: I'm just nervous (crying).
19 YM: There's no need to be nervous Annie. We're not here to get anyone into trouble,
20 okay? We're just here to get the truth, alright?
21 LD: Let me see if I can find some more Kleenex for you.
22 YM: You, you need, you need a couple moments? You need a minute or two?
23 LD: (Exits the room and speaks to unknown persons) Anyone have Kleenex?
24 YM: Okay.
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YM: It's uhm, it's been hard for a lot of people that were Casey's friends. Because a
lot of people are, are just like you that have a, a different impression of what she
was like and you know, I've talked to several people that said she was a good
mother. But uh....
AD: She was.
YM: Un... unfortunately...
AD: I know.
YM: ... all these people also said something changed. And, and that's what we're
trying to kind of pinpoint down. We're trying to figure out what changed. We're
not trying to, to pass blame on another person. We're not trying to say that....
(Ms. Drane-Burdick returns to the room.)
AD: Thank you.
YM: You know we're not trying to say that Annie did something to make Casey bad,
or Annie did something to, to hurt the child. We're not saying that at all. But
there are a lot of unanswered questions that we're just trying to, to get answers
to and uh, that's all we're here for. So, do you know of any uhm, has , has, had
Casey confided in you, or told you anything about drug use or uhm, you know,
experimenting since you guys ended up becoming best friends? Like in the, in
the whole time that you've known her, up until today, every, I already mentioned
to you about....
AD: She never was really into that. Like I said, whenever we went out she would
rarely drink to get drunk. We'd go out and she'd have a beer because she'd
most of the time drive.
YM: Uh-hum (affirmative).
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AD: Uhm, she'd have to be home because of Caylee. Uhm, uh, not to my knowledge
did she ever, she took, she just wasn't, she wasn't into it.
YM: Do you know of any of her family members that may have problems with it?
AD: Not that I know of. No sir, I don't, not, not that I can think of.
EE: Can I add some additional on a statement you just made? Uhm, if you went out
she, she wouldn't drink very much because she'd have to be home because of
the baby?
AD: Yes sir.
EE: Did you, what's your, did you have any knowledge of phone calls that Cindy
would make to her while you were out, or was there any (inaudible).
AD: It happened frequently. Cindy would call....
EE: Okay.
AD: ...frequently. "What time are you going to be home? Why are you out so late?"
EE: Okay. So what...
AD: Because....
EE: What was note... what was her general attitude towards that?
AD: Most of the time, apparently she lied to her mom all the time, saying, "I'm at work,
I'm at work, I'm at work," when she was out. I found that out later she was
always saying that she was at work. Uhm, I'm sorry.
YM: It's okay.
AD: Uhm, and her mom would just call, "Where are you? When are you going to be
home? When are you going to be home?" You know, "I want to go to bed." I
want to, you know, and she wanted her home to take care of her own daughter.
Uhm....
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1 EE: And you witnessed this how many times do you think? Or was it just so
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3 AD: I would, yeah (affirmative), I was, it was, her mom would call almost every single
4 time we were out. She'd yell at her for one thing or another or to see where she
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6 EE: So, uh, and....
7 YM: What do you mean to, what do you mean to yell? I'm sorry.
8 AD: (Sighs.) I, I know a lot of the truth now. Like for instance, uhm, when I graduated
9 from UCF Casey was going with me to my graduation. And uhm, on my way to
10 graduation Casey, Casey's mom called and said, "You need to get home now."
11 And so she had a conversation with her mother. She said she had to leave.
12 Uhm, and uh, Casey told me, "Oh, my mom was mad at me because I didn't
13 register for Valencia classes." When I found out later from her mother that it was
14 really because they found a credit card statement where Casey spent a lot of
15 their money. So...
16 EE: What date was that on? Do you remember?
17 AD: August '07. I don't know the exact date. But it was, yeah (affirmative), because I
18 graduated four years after I graduated high school, so August of '07. It was
19 definitely in the summer.
20 YM: Did uh, does Casey ever men... ever talk about that...
21 AD: Stealing money?
22 YM: ...at the time to you and...
23 AD: No. Absolutely not.
24 YM: Something you learned after the fact?
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2 AD: (Sighs.) Right after Caylee went missing. Uhm, we would have conversations
3 with her parents and that's when I found out a lot about Casey that I didn't know.
4 YM: After Caylee went missing, or after Casey went to jail?
5 AD: Uh, after, after it was....
6 YM: Because it's (inaudible)....
7 AD: ....went public that....
8 YM: Okay.
9 AD: After July 16 th .
10 YM: Okay.
11 AD: Shortly after July 16th .
12 EE: So uh, solidify the event from August there 2007, did she actually have to turn
13 around and leave your graduation and go home?
14 AD: She rode with me. Uhm, her ex-boyfriend, Jesse Grund, came and picked her up
15 and brought her home because I obviously had to go to graduation. (Coughs.)
16 EE: So she was upset about that?
17 AD: Uh-hum (affirmative).
18 EE: So, her social life was obviously, it, it was a burden to have to turn around and go
19 home all the time because of the....
20 AD: That was the only time that she was ever with me doing something when she had
21 to stop what she was doing and go home. That, that's the only time that I can
22 remember that that's ever happened.
23 EE: But you witnessed other phone calls where you would go out from....
24 AD: And her mom would just ask, "Where are you? Where are you?"
25 EE: And that was how often?
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1 AD: Honestly, I think it, uh, I think it happened probably every time we went out.
2 EE: Every time?
3 AD: Every time we went out her mom....
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11 YM: How would you describe her relationship with her mother?
12 AD: Again, something that I thought was a different relationship. She, Casey made it
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21 AD: All the time. I mean her mom, I mean she used her mom always. Like I
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to take her," you know, "Trying to take my job out of it." Her mom was trying,
Cindy was trying to play mom instead of letting Casey play mom, or be mom.
EE: And this is in front of everybody?
AD: Uh-hum (affirmative).
EE: So it was very obvious to everyone that was there, maybe uncomfortable even,
that they were arguing about that, or?
AD: No, they, she wasn't arguing about it. She just, Casey just pulled me aside....
EE: Okay.
AD: ....and was like, "I'm so upset. You know, my mom's doing this. My mom's
doing that." And she was just upset by it and it was her daughter's second
birthday.
YM: Casey tell you anything about her mother?
AD: I'm sorry, what was that you said?
YM: Did Casey ever tell you anything about Cindy, her mother, telling Casey that she
was a bad mother? She was an unfit mother? That she was going to take
Caylee away because of that, or take custody of Caylee? Uh, threatened to take
custody of Caylee?
AD: Not to my, not, not that I can remember. I don't think that.
YM: Casey never made a mention of that to you?
AD: Not that I can think of, no sir.
YM: When you guys were best friends back in '06, '07, where was Casey working?
Where did she tell you she was working?
AD: She, she told me she was working at Univ... at Sports Authority for....first.
YM: Uh-hum (affirmative).
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3 YM: And an event planner. Had, did you ever go to her work or....
4 AD: No sir.
5 YM: ... see her office? And so from, well when, when would you say she started as a
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7 AD: Uhm, I really don't recall.
8 YM: You guys are still best friends?
9 AD: Yeah (affirmative), we were still, we were still very good friends at that time.
10 YM: So at least up until March of '07? Sometime be... before March of '07 she told
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12 AD: Yes.
13 YM: ... as an event planner?
14 AD: Yes sir.
15 YM: Okay. And did that ever change after '07? Did she ever tell you anything
16 different?
17 AD: No, not that I can think of, no sir.
18 YM: She ever tell you uh, uh, about her college classes and what classes she was
19 enrolled in?
20 AD: Like I said to you when we went to my college graduation uhm, her mom was
21 upset with, she said her mom was upset with her because she didn't enroll for
22 college classes. Come to find out she didn't have a high school diploma. I didn't
23 know that.
24 YM: What did she, did she tell you after the fact that she was going to class? Did she
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AD: She told me she was....
2 YM: ... college?
3 AD: ...planning on going.
4 YM: Uh-hum (affirmative).
5 AD: Again, there was, I would say since, it's '09 now; '08, '07, since like October or
6 November of '07 we were just acquaintances. You know, not friends like we
7 were before at all.
8 YM: So after you guys ceased becoming best friends, just in passing?
9 AD: Just in passing. Like uh, like because my group of friends was her base.
10 YM: Uh-hum (affirmative).
11 AD: We were, she'd always come back to us. She'd go find different groups of
12 friends, meet new people, and then but always come back to us.
13 YM: Who, when you guys were, well when you guys were best friends and uhm, she
14 went out to go with you shopping or wherever, who would watch Caylee?
15 AD: A lot of times Caylee would be with us.
16 YM: Okay, when she wasn't with you who would watch Caylee?
17 AD: I assumed it was her mother.
18 YM: Did she ever tell you anyone else watched Caylee? Because I know you guys
19 had some common friends back some time before the Sports Authority thing.
20 AD: I know that Lauren Gibbs....
21 YM: Uh-hum (affirmative).
22 AD: ....used to watch her when she was a infant; when, when Caylee was first born.
23 YM: Uh-hum (affirmative).
24 AD: Uhm, uh, when that stopped I don't know.
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AD: When, when Lauren stopped watching her. But uh, she may have mentioned
2 the, the nanny once or twice, but.
3 EE: Did, do you... think about that real hard. Did she mention her that you can recall,
4 or is that just from well recent events maybe that's planted in your mind now?
5 AD: Maybe that's why that's planted in my head. I don't uh, I couldn't swear on a
6 time.
7 EE: So you couldn't, you couldn't swear that you ever heard Casey Anthony refer to
8 the nanny? You couldn't swear a hundred percent?
9 AD: One time I know for sure. July 5th, eleven days before she was ar... I understand
10 she was arrested on the 16th , correct?
11 YM: Uh-hum (affirmative).
12 AD: So July 5th was the last time that I saw her before she was arrested. She
13 definitely mentioned that day, "Oh, she's with the nanny." Because I remember
14 my dad ran into her a week or two before. Ran into Casey, saw Casey at a liquor
15 store and my dad asked about Caylee. And I said, "Oh, you know, my dad ran
16 into you. He didn't say anything to you because he didn't know if you'd recognize
17 him." Uhm, he didn't see Caylee. Uhm, I was like, "Was Caylee with you?" And
18 she said to me, "No. I wouldn't bring my daughter to a liquor store. Are you
19 crazy?"
20 YM: So that's the first time you ever heard Casey mention a nanny....
21 AD: That one time....
22 YM: ....was on the....
23 AD: ... I know sp....
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25 AD: ... specifically she said...
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2 AD: Yes.
3 YM: '08? Prior to that, any independent...
4 AD: No; that I can recall, no sir. I know for sure that date though because I remember
5 her saying that.
6 EE: Well....
7 YM: And as far....
8 EE: I'm sorry.
9 YM: It's okay. As far....
10 EE: What date well did that occur on at the liquor store incident, and what liquor
11 store, do you know?
12 AD: Uh, I'd have to ask my dad if he remembers.
13 EE: Would you be willing to do that?
14 AD: Yeah (affirmative), but I don't, I don't see why not.
15 EE: Okay.
16 AD: If, if he remembers. Uhm, it, it was definitely before that. Not long before that.
17 Maybe a week before.
18 EE: A week before the 5th?
19 AD: Uh-hum (affirmative).
20 EE: Okay.
21 YM: Had uh, had she ever mentioned to you a friend of hers by the name of Zenaida?
22 AD: Not that I can recall.
23 YM: In the group of friends that you had did anyone of your friends have a friend
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25 AD: Not that I can recall.
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YM: What about uh, Jeffrey Hopkins? I know he went to, to high school with you guys.
2 AD: I know a Jeffrey Hopkins.
3 YM: Okay. Do, do you know Casey to ever date Jeffrey Hopkins? Personally,
4 physically seen them two together?
5 AD: Physically? No. Seen them two together in a relationship type way? No sir.
6 YM: Okay. How, how, how do you tie in Jeffrey Hopkins to Casey except for the high
7 school part, how do you tie them both together?
8 AD: Uh, no other relation.
9 YM: Did Casey ever tell you she was dating Jeffrey Hopkins?
10 AD: (Sighs.) Casey told me she dated a lot of people. Uhm, I don't think so. But
11 then again I'm not, like I said, there, there was always a different guy that she
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13 YM: Had she ever mentioned dating a guy with a, who had a son named Zachary?
14 AD: Not that I can recall.
15 YM: Did, she had never mentioned anything about Caylee having a play buddy
16 named Zachary, same age?
17 AD: She had a play, she had a playmate that the person, okay, now this is coming
18 back to me. Someone would come over to the house and watch Caylee and
19 bring, I thought it was a giWL though.
20 YM: Uh-hum (affirmative).
21 AD: Uhm....
22 YM: Come over to which house? Who?
23 AD: Uh, her parents' house.
24 YM: Okay. So it's someone that....
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Someone that would be there with her parents there?
No, it was when uh, they were at work, Casey was at work, uhm, that they would
bring, it was a female, would bring, I want to say it was a giWL, but another, a, a
friend of Caylee's and they'd play. Because I remember her telling me she'd get
mad because the house would be a wreck. She'd have to clean up after them.
She doesn't do the dishes. She leaves toys everywhere. That's, that's the most
common story I got.
But were you ever at the house when....
No sir, I've never witnessed it.
That's just her telling you that.
That was just her telling me.
Okay.
Bear with me because I'm, July 5 th when you asked her that question and she
made a reference to this Zanny.
She said the nanny.
The nanny?
The nanny.
Okay. That's the very first time you can recall her ever saying that?
(Sighs.)
Where did that conversation take place?
Buffalo Wild Wings at Waterford Lakes. Like I said, I just remembered what she
had told me before that....
So the night you went out with her with Sean Daley and uh, uh....
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Okay. Okay.
And a couple other people were there.
So that's that time that she brought up the nanny?
That's the first time I met her last boyfriend too.
That's okay, that was my next, so she was there with who?
Tony.
Okay. So you were introduced to him? Okay.
Hi, I'm Annie; that's it.
Okay. Alright.
Alright. How was her relationship with uh, her brother Lee?
Uhm, they seemed to be very, very close.
Did she ever mention any problems that she had with her brother?
Uhm, again, knowing what I know now about her lying about so much stuff
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What did she tell you at the time?
Just that she'd say Lee is trying to control her life, just like her parents were.
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a very good relationship, like really close friends, you know, older brother and
younger sister. Like I've hung out with them together.
YM: She never mentioned any problems she had with Lee as, as they were growing
up? What I mean, and, and let me rephrase that because I know there's a lot of
things there. Did she ever mention any problems with uh, Lee possibly abusing
her, touching her, or doing something to her while she was growing up?
AD: No, not that.
YM: Never mentioned?
AD: No sir.
YM: What about uhm, we'll skip to George real quick. What about George? Anything
about him doing that or....
AD: She didn't s... no, she never mentioned anything like that, no. Uhm, she didn't
have a good, she uh, she made it seem like she didn't have a good relationship
with her father and that she did not like her father.
YM: Okay. We'll get, we'll get back to him. Go back to Lee. Uhm, before when we,
when we turned off the tape there was, there was conversation off tape real quick
about Lee and then Casey, and it seemed like there might be something that you
wanted to add to that. I didn't want to take you off too far off track to that, so I'll
give you....
AD: Uhm, well just like the last time I talked to Lee on the phone uhm....
YM: When was that?
AD: I don't know an exact date.
YM: Oh, uhm, uhm....
AD: Uh....
YM: ...yesterday? A week ago?
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YM: A year ago?
AD: A couple months ago.
YM: Okay.
AD: La... last year, or 2008...
YM: Okay.
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remember.
YM: Uh-hum (affirmative).
AD: Uhm, he called me just to give me a heads up saying that uhm, that you would
be calling me. That you....
YM: Well...
AD: ....wanted to talk to me.
YM: Lee gave you a heads up?
AD: Yes.
YM: Was this before Casey got out of jail the first time, or had she already been in
and out?
AD: I think she had already been in and out. This was right after that conversation
you just showed me, right after that came out.
YM: Okay.
AD: Right after that was out on the news.
YM: Okay.
AD: Uhm...
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YM: And what did he tell you to do?
AD: Uhm, he told me, or he, he told me that Melina had just come in and just talked to
you. And he said to me uhm, "I just want to let you know they will be contacting
you. They said to Melina, 'Do you know Annie? Do you know, do you know if
she does drugs? Would you be willing to go try to buy drugs from her?" And he
told me that Melina said, "No, I'm not willing to help you in any way, shape or
form." Uhm, and he said, "I just, you know," he told me, "We all know Casey's
done bad things, but you need to protect yourself. You need to, if they call you
you need to tell them the truth. You need to tell them anything you know.
Because if you know something you need to tell them." And that was it.
YM: Did Lee tell you to withhold any information...
AD: Absolutely not.
YM: ...from us if we called?
AD: He said the exact opposite.
YM: Okay.
AD: He said, "Don't protect Casey."
YM: As far as bad things go with Casey, and I'll, I'll make it a very general question
and we'll see where we go from there. Even Lee acknowledged that Casey had
done some bad things. What bad things come to mind if, if, if you, if I tell you
Casey's done some bad, or I asked you to tell me what Casey's done that are
bad, what comes to mind?
AD: Lying to everybody she knows. Uh, uh, more than one. I mean she's, everything
I knew or thought I knew about her was a lie. I mean...
YM: What else?
AD: Uhm, stealing money obviously.
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2 AD: Not that I know of.
3 YM: In hindsight, after everything that's come out, uh, uh, did you ever have money
4 go missing and now you're kind of in retrospect thinking hmm?
5 AD: I, I couldn't place fingers on it, no.
6 YM: You ever have substantial money, or money go missing and....
7 AD: I never hold....
8 YM: ... couldn't explain it?
9 AD: ...a lot of cash, you know, uhm....
10 YM: What about credit card? What about uh, like charges....
11 AD: I don't have a....
12 YM: ....or something?
13 AD: I don't have a credit card. I have a debit card and that is monitored. And I would
14 know if there is a penny missing.
15 YM: So what other bad, what other bad things would you say if, if I asked you you
16 know, as far as Casey's bad things, what else would you say that she did was
17 bad?
18 AD: Uh, the thing that I'm most hurt about is the lies and obviously stealing money
19 from people.
20 YM: What about to you personally, that you personally know? Not what you've heard,
21 but you personally....
22 AD: What, the lie that she said that I think that's horrible.
23 YM: Oh, about the Zanax comment?
24 AD: Yeah (affirmative). I think that's horrible....
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AD: ... because it's made me look like somebody I'm not.
2 YM: And she told you that she worked at Sports Authority and she didn't?
3 AD: Uh-hum (affirmative).
4 YM: And she told you that she worked at....
5 AD: She worked at Universal....
6 YM: ...Universal....
7 AD: ... but she didn't.
8 YM: ...when she didn't? Uhm, what other lies did she tell you that you realize, or
9 came to realize her lying?
10 AD: School. Uhm...
11 YM: Well she said she was thinking about going to school, but she never said she
12 went to college, right?
13 AD: No, she never said she went to college. No, she never said she went to college,
14 but that her mom wanted her to go to college.
15 YM: What about uh, Caylee, as far as uh, Caylee's dad? What did she ever tell you
16 about Caylee's father?
17 AD: He died in a car accident the, either the day before or the day of Caylee's second
18 birthday party.
19 YM: So he died in an auto accident in 2007, August of 2007?
20 AD: Uh-hum (affirmative), yes sir.
21 YM: Where?
22 AD: Not in Florida.
23 YM: Did she say anything about, well what about his name? Did she say anything
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YM: Eric what?
AD: I don't remember the last name.
YM: Did she say where she met this Eric, or how they hooked up?
AD: That he was in town for spring break while she was working at Universal. She
met him. They hooked up. And he went back because he then shortly after
started dating somebody. It was on a break from somebody when he was down
here and they hooked up, came back, and then got this other giWL pregnant and
married her. Because to that, I believe it was a boy that the other giWL had, she
said.
YM: Hmm.
AD: And that Caylee had a brother that, or sister, or no, sibling, that she wanted to
them meet.
YM: Ever meet this guy?
AD: Huh-huh (negative).
YM: Zanny the Nanny, this nanny, you never met that person?
AD: No sir.
YM: What about uh, Racquelle Farrell or Jennifer Rosa? Sound familiar to you as far
as personal friends, people you would have hung out with?
AD: Personal friends, no sir. Uhm....
YM: Okay, and, and, anyone that....
AD: I meet a lot of people; randomly meet people. I don't remember names.
YM: Casey ever bring two people to you with children and say....
AD: No.
YM: ...this is Racquelle, this in Jennifer?
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AD: Absolutely not. I'd remember, but no.
YM: Okay.
AD: Not that I can remember.
YM: Uhm, how would you describe Casey as a mother?
AD: If anything over protective. For, until Caylee was two and a half uh, nobody
could hold her because she was so tied to Casey. I mean I was around Casey
five days a week for at least an hour or so. I mean when we were good friends
we, I mean we hung out almost every single day. And she, like I said, I couldn't
even hold her. I was around her like every single day. She knew my face. She
knew who I was. She was okay around me. But she wouldn't, I mean if Casey
were to go to the bathroom and not take Caylee, Caylee would scream.
YM: Did you see a change in Casey's attitude recently, or this past year, in 2008?
AD: Uhm, again, we really weren't....
YM: What caused you guys to split up as, as best friends?
AD: I started dating somebody.
YM: Was it somebody she liked, or dated, or, or what was the...
AD: Huh-huh (negative), no. I just, (sighs), uh, I got the sense that she wasn't always
telling me the truth. Uhm, and, and I mean just somebody to have this awesome
job, they work as an event planner at Universal, but they're always working at
home, it just uh, I took, I put, I don't know, I guess I didn't, it didn't make sense to
me. It, I just, I felt that I was being lied to and I don't like being betrayed.
YM: Did you ever see a change in Casey? From the time you became best friends
with her to the time she was arrested, did you ever see or notice a change in
Casey? Whether it be her attitude, or her mannerisms, or frequency of calling
you, or anything like that?
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1 AD: Oh, frequency of calling me, absolutely. But it was like a mutual thing. We both
2 kind of, I, I switched positions at my company. Uhm, I wasn't really sitting in front
3 of the computer all day. Because that when we'd talk. I sat in front of a, I was at
4 a desk in front of a computer. I'd talk all day long to her. And we'd talk on-line.
5 And that was it.
6 YM: Did she ever complain to you about life getting to her, about not being able to
7 manage, about uh, the weight of having a child, being a single mom? Did she
8 ever express to you her uhm, uh, I, I guess the, the, maybe a crushing despair
9 coming about. Did she ever tell you she was having a hard time with life
10 because of Caylee?
11 AD: Yes. Not because of Caylee. Uhm, there was one time I do recall her basically I
12 mean having an emotional breakdown. Uhm....
13 YM: Tell me about that.
14 AD: She (sighs).
15 YM: When was this? Ballpark. Where....
16 AD: When we were good friends. In that time frame. Uh, she was, I remember her
17 coming over. She was in pants and a three-quarter length, or long sleeve shirt,
18 like she was dressed up going to work.
19 YM: Uh-hum (affirmative).
20 AD: Uhm, and we, she came and picked me up for lunch. Because she was like, "I
21 just, I need to talk to you. I, I need, I need to talk to you and....
22 YM: Was she with Caylee?
23 AD: Uhm, I do believe Caylee was, I do believe Caylee was in the backseat, yeah
24 (affirmative).
25 YM: Okay.
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1 AD: She was there. She came and picked me up from work. Uhm....]
2 YM: Where were you working at the time?
3 AD: Don Reid Ford, where I currently work.
4 YM: Okay.
5 AD: Uhm, and she came and picked me up. She's like, "Let's go to lunch. I just need
6 to talk." You know, I was like, "Okay, that's fine. I'll go." She came and picked
7 me up and so she just, she was like, "I just want to go. I need to get away. I
8 need to uhm, you know, I feel like I'm having a breakdown. I just, I can't," what
9 had specifically triggered it, I asked her. She didn't say anything. She uhm, just
10 basically that she needed to get away for a little bit. And I was like, "Well you
11 know, what about Caylee?" And she's like, "Oh, my mom'll take her. I know
12 she'll take her."
13 YM: So she was, she was actually wanting to leave....
14 AD: To physically go....
15 YM: Somewhere (unintelligible).
16 AD: She wanted to go to like an institution. Like she said, "I just....
17 YM: She wanted to commit herself, or, or....
18 AD: Kind of, yeah (affirmative).
19 EE: What'd she say to make you think that?
20 AD: I was like, "Well where are you going to? Are you going to go to the beach for
21 the weekend? Like where, what are you going to do?" I mean this completely
22 caught me off-guard. Uhm, she basically said she needed help. And then uh,
23 you know, we, that was at lunch. I just talked to her and uhm, she, we just talked
24 about you know, what's going on with her. And she was like, "You know, I just
25 like, I need to get away. This is just too much."
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1 YM: She didn't say....
2 EE: What did she talk about?
3 AD: (Sighs.) Specifics I'm not....
4 EE: General things.
5 AD: I mean because she like was happy with a guy at the time. She was uh, uh....
6 YM: Do you remember who the guy was?
7 AD: Chris Stutz I believe his last name is.
8 YM: So the time she was dating Chris?
9 AD: Uh....
10 YM: Okay.
11 AD: ...the time she was dating him or they were talking, or, I remember because we
12 hung out.
13 YM: Okay.
14 AD: Uhm, but I just remember, I just remember her just saying that she just basically
15 wanted to commit herself.
16 YM: Did she ever talk about suicide?
17 AD: No.
18 YM: She ever talk about what life would have been like without Caylee?
19 AD: No, because she always told me she wouldn't change it for anything.
20 YM: But uh, as far as the emotional breakdown, she did say that you know, Mom
21 would take Caylee?
22 AD: Absolutely.
23 YM: And then she would get help or, and you took that to believe that she would want
24 to commit herself, put her somewhere she can....
25 AD: Get better.
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1 YM: ...get counseling...
2 AD: Uh-hum (affirmative).
3 YM: ...and get better? Okay. Was that the only time that you can recall that she
4 uh....
5 AD: That I can recall. Because I remember it was a very emotional, a very emotional
6 time. Uhm, that, that's, yeah (affirmative), and that's, that's the only time that I
7 can remember.
8 YM: What did uh, when was the last time you saw Caylee?
9 AD: (Sighs.) Casey dated Ricardo....
10 YM: Uh-hum (affirmative).
11 AD: ...who I used to work with at Don Reid.
12 YM: Uh-hum (affirmative).
13 AD: And one night she brought Caylee up to Don Reid because Casey was coming to
14 see Ricardo. Caylee was with her. And that was the first time that Caylee's ever
15 run up to me and said, "Annie." And I remember that.