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UNITED STATES
DISTRICT
COURT
EASTERN DISTRICT OF LOUISIANA
THOM S MILTON
BENSON
, JR . ,
CIVIL
ACTION NO.
15
-
782
in hi s
capac i ty
as GR NTOR
SECTION : H
VERSUS JUDGE MILAZZO
M G . DIVISION: 2
ROBERT
A.
ROSENTH L
,
in
h i s capac i ty
as
TRUSTEE M G . JUDGE WILKINSON
Cont inua t ion
of
t he videotaped
depos i t ion
of
THOM S
MILTON
BENSON
,
JR
.
t aken
in h i s of f i c e s
loca ted
a t
58
Air l ine Drive
, Meta i r i e , Louis iana
7 3
, on the
29th day
o f
March , 2 16 , beginn ing a t 9 : 27 a . m.
REPORTED BY :
CONNIE M.
FINESCHI
,
CCR
CERTIFIED COURT REPORTER
A
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No , I
wasn
t implying t h a t
I
j u s t want to
c l a r i f y
t h a t
.
Okay When was
your
knee surgery
age 23
4
approximate ly?
5 A . Well ,
t he
years
have gone by
,
so
I don t
6 know . I can t t ll you
whether
t h a t was two years
7
ago , t h r ee o r f i v e .
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10
12
Q.
A.
Q.
A .
Q .
Okay
Okay
In
t he
l a s t f ive years?
Yes .
Okay So
it s my
unders tand ing t h a t when
13 you were marr i ed to your wife Grace , t h a t your p lan
14 was still to l e ave your
a s s e t s to Renee
, Ri t a , and
15 Ryan; i s t h a t r i g h t ?
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t h a t
t ake
A .
Q.
A
Q.
t ime ,
A .
Q .
those
A .
Q.
Under
Grace
s
dea th though
.
Unt i l
Grace
s
dea th?
Righ t
Okay Okay . But t h a t
was
your p la n
a t
r i g h t ?
Yes
Okay
And
now
you
ve
dec ided
you
want
a s s e t s back?
Cor rec t
.
Okay And I know you
ve
exp la ined it a
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littl
b i t , but if you can
j u s t
t ll me
why
t h a t
2
i s
.
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A . Well , t hey t r i e d
to
k i l l me
fo r
one
4 t h ing .
Okay
. How so?
6
Q .
A.
Well ,
you know
,
by
p ic k in g
on
my wi fe
and
7
when I wasn t
f ee l very good
, t hey were
ve ry
8 h o s t i l e .
Okay
10
Q .
A.
As
a
mat te r o f f a c t
, I
c u t them o f f
from
11 eve ry th ing . I
don
t have
them to
S a i n t s games o r
12 e l i cans o r noth ing .
13 Q . Right . So when d i d t h a t happen? When do
14
you
When
d id
you c u t
them
o f f
from
a t t e n d i n g the
15
games?
I
don
t know
6
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A .
Q . Was
it befo re
your
dec i s ion
to t a
k e
t he
18 a s se t s back?
19
20
21
22
23
you
A .
Q .
A .
Q .
dec ide
Sure .
Like
About
About
t h a t
about
t he
same
t ime .
t he
same
t ime .
Okay
.
you d
idn
t
want them to
24
Sa in t s
o r the e l i cans
games anymore?
So
what made
a t t e n d
the
25 A . Well , first t h in g
t hey
came
i n t o
my s u i t e
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and s t a r t e d
f igh t ing
with
u s
Q. Okay
A .
Saying ugly th ings and eve ry th ing
.
Q . Your
s u i t e a t
the
Sain ts?
5 A.
Yeah
, Sain t s game .
6 Q. Okay . So what do
you
remember about
7 t h a t ? What happened?
8
MR WITTMANN
:
9 Again , we
ve
gone over t h i s
10
repea ted ly
This
i s ju s
t
r e p e t i t i o n
.
I m ob jec t ing t o
t
. Make
t
a
age 25
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con t inu ing ob jec t ion to your repe
t i t
ive
13
ques t ions
.
14 EXAMINATION BY
MS
. SCHILLING :
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25
Q. Okay I don t a c t u a l l y r e c a l l t a l k ing
about t h i s yes te rday , but i f
so
,
then
I
apologize
.
But
do you
MR WITTMANN:
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EXAMINATION
BY MS
. SCHILLING :
Q.
Do you
remember
what happened a t t he
Sa in t s s u i t e t h a t you re r e f e r r ing to?
A . I th ink Renee and
Rita and
maybe
Ryan
was
t h e r e
to o
,
carne
over
to our
s u i t e
and
s t a r t e d
say ing t h ings I m t ry ing to watch a foo tba l l
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1 game .
Right
.
3
5
6
Q.
A . And t hey s t a r t p i
ck ing
on Gayle . And it
7
8
9
1
11
got
so bad
, Renee shook
h e r
, and I
sa id
, That ' s
enough . Le t ' s go
. Gay
l e and I l e f t
the game
.
Q. Okay . So
you
wi tnes sed
t h a t
- -
A .
Q.
A .
Q.
A .
Yes .
- - Renee shak i ng Gayle?
Yes .
Okay
.
t
was
r i g h t t here . We were
s i t t i n g
12 t o g e t h e r
.
13
Q.
Ri g h t . And th i s is a d i f f e r e n t t i me th an
14
a t
your house?
15 A . Uh-
huh
(
a f f i r ma t iv e ly
) .
16 Q. Okay . So
th e
r e was a t ime
a t
your house
17
and
t hen
a l
so
a
t ime
a t
the Sa in t s game
.
I s
18
t h a t
19
2
2 1
A .
Q.
A .
Yeah
.
- -
what you
'
re
say ing?
I don ' t remember
which
was first , but I
22
would
t h i n k
t h a t
t he house
was
second .
23
Q. Okay . Who
have
you
t a l k e d
to
about your
24
dec i s ion to
t ake
t he
a s se t s
back?
25 A . Who d i d I
t a l k
to
, one o f my lawyers . I
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A . I fo rgo t
th e ir names
.
Q . Okay
That
s okay This i s in Texas o r
in Louis iana
A . Here , Louis i ana .
Q .
Lo
u i s i a n a ,
okay What conve r sa t ions do
you remember having wi th Dennis Lauscha o r
Mickey
Loomis o r
Greg
Bensel about
your
dec i s ion to t ake
the
a s s e t s back?
A . I
don
t r e c a l l
t h a t
.
Q .
You
don
t
r e c a l l
t he
s p e c i f i c s of the
conversa t ion
A .
Q.
Right .
Okay . Do you
r e c a l l t he
s p e c i f i c s o f any
14 conversa t ions with t he people running your
15
dea le r sh ips
16
A No
17
Q.
Okay
.
Have
you
t a
lked to
your
wife
Gayle
18 about
your dec i s ion
to
t ake back t h e a s s e t s
19 A . Gayle?
20 Q . Yes
.
21 A . I don t r e c a l l .
22 Q .
You
don
t r e c a l l .
So
you
don
t know i
23
you
have t a lk ed t o
he r
o r you have not t a lk ed to
24 he r about
i t
25
A .
I
don
t know i I t a lk ed to he r about i t .
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Okay
2
Q.
A . I didn t want he r t o ge t too invo lved in
3 t h i s t h in g
4
Q.
Okay
Why i s
t h a t ?
5
A .
Because
,
you
know , I t hought
she might
6 ge t h u r t
and
I didn t want
he r
to .
7
Q. What
do
you
mean
by t h a t ?
8 A . Well , t hey a l r e
ady
shook
he r
and
cur sed
9 her ou t
and eve ry th ing
. She didn t
need
anymore o f
10
t h a t
2 3
24
25
Q.
A .
Q.
A .
Q .
remember
A .
kind o f
Q.
A .
Q .
A .
Q .
Okay
. Anybody
e l s e t h a t
you remember
He
was what?
Sorry?
A
p o r t e r
.
Ri g h t
Okay
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1 Q. Right . What conve r sa t ions do you
2 remember having with Dennis about s e t t i n g up t he
3
t r u s t ?
4
A . I
don
t remember
t h a t
.
5 Q. Okay . Okay .
We
s t a r t e d
t a l king about
6 t h i s be fore , b u t you sa i d t h a t a t
some
poin t t h a t
7 Renee
and Ri ta and Ryan were no longer al lowed to
8 come to the Sain t s
games
.
9 A . Right .
10 Q.
And was t h a t
because
o f
what
happened
in
11
t he s u i t e
, o r
t h a t
was
because o f something
e l s e?
12
A .
Well
,
by
t h i s t ime
they
showed a
l o t
o f
13 i n d i ca t i o n s they didn t they wanted to t ake over
14 eve ry th ing , and then t h a t was t he f i n a l blow
15 Q. Okay Okay . So what
i n d i ca t i o n s
had
16 they
shown
t h a t
they wanted to take over
17
everyth ing?
18 A . I don t remember
19 Q. You don t remember . Okay . But was t h a t
20
your
dec i s ion fo r them not to be al lowed to
come
to
21
22
23
24
25
t he
games?
A .
Q.
A .
Q.
Yes
Did you
tell
them t h a t
yourse l f?
I
don
t
reca
ll
When s t he l a s t t ime you r emember
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speak ing
to
Renee
o r
R i t a
o r
Ryan?
2
A . S h o r t l y a f t e r the inc iden t . I
to
l d
them
3 I was d i s p l e a s e d wi th them .
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
Q .
When
you say the
i n c id en t
,
what a r e
you
r e f e r r i n g
to?
A .
When
t hey came in the s u i t e and shook my
wife .
Q . Okay.
And t hen what
d id
you tell them
a f t e r t h a t
in te rms o f t h a t you were d i s p l e a s e d
wi th them?
A . What d id I
tell them?
Q . Uh- huh i n d i ca t in g a f f i rm a t i v e l y ) .
A . I most probab ly I don t remember
exac t
words
,
bu
t I most
probab ly
t o l d
them
I didn t want
to
see
them anymore
.
Q .
Are
you r e f e r r i n g to the l e t t e r t h a t
we
looked
a t
yes te rday
t h a t
you
s e n t
to
Renee
Ri ta
,
and Ryan?
A.
Q .
A .
What s
t he
da te o f i t ?
December
27th ,
2014
.
That was a little b i t
a f t e r
t h a t . This
22 happened a few
weeks
befo re t h a t .
23
Q . The
i n c id en t a t
t he Sa in t s
s u i t e happened
24
a
little be fore
t h a t ?
25 A . Yeah.
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Q.
Okay. Do you remember
having
any
in-person conversa t ions with Renee
Rita and
Ryan
A. After t ha t happened?
Q.
Yes .
A.
No.
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Q. Okay. Do you remember
having
any
in-person conversa t ions
with
them before
you wrote
the l e t t e r ?
A .
Q.
A.
Q.
A.
Q.
A.
Q.
A .
Q.
About what?
About you being
disp leased
with
t
hem.
I
don t r e ca l l .
Okay.
You
a re
a
lawyer
huh?
I am.
Here
New Orleans?
Yep .
Okay. I j u s t wanted to ge t i t s t ra i
ght .
Sure. No
problem.
20 When we
were
t a lk ing
about
,
you know
,
you
21
witness ing Renee
shaking Gayle
a t
the Sain
t s
game
,
22
then was there anyone
e l se
there?
23 A.
Oh yeah
.
24
25
Q.
A.
Who?
We most probably had 3 0 people ln the
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s u i t e .
2
3
4
5
6
Q. Okay. Who
s p e c i f i c a l l y
do you
remember
7
8
9
10
12
13
being t he re?
A .
Who
be ing t he re?
Q. Uh huh ( ind ica t ing
a f f i rma t ive ly ) .
A . No one exac t ly , no.
Q. Okay. Jus t l i k e t he t yp i ca l people t h a t
would be
in your
su i t e?
A .
Right
.
Q . Who
were
those
people?
A . Dennis
Lauscha
,
doc tors
,
and
many
managers
here , depar tment
managers
, and
some
long- t ime
f r i ends .
14 Q. When you say
doc tors
, what do you
mean?
15
A . I had two doc to r s I counted
on
a g re a t
16 dea l .
17
Q.
What a re
th e
r
names?
18
A.
I d o n t know. You would have to show i t
19
to me.
I
fo rgo t
.
20
21
22
now?
Q.
Tha
t s okay . Are they st ll
your
doc to r s
A .
One
o f
them
got r e a l s i ck
and
the
o th e r
23
one
I st ll
have
.
24
Q.
Okay.
I s t
f a i r
to
say
t h a t
your
wife
25 Gayle doesn t l i k e Renee? Do you th ink th a t s
f a i r
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to say?
No
, I don t
know
t ha t .
1
2
3
A .
Q. You
don
t
know Do you not
know
i
she
4 l i kes
Renee?
5 A . She never to l d me .
6 Q. She
never
t o l d you
one way o r
7
A .
Cer t a in ly
a f t e r t h a t
i n c iden t
she didn t
8
l i k e he r
.
9
Q. Okay.
10 A . I
didn
t
e i the r .
11
Q. And
you mean
when she shook
her a t the
12 Sain ts game?
13 A . Right .
Then
carne to the house .
14 Q. Okay .
What
do
you
remember b etween those
15 events , between the
game and
the
inc iden t
a t the
16
house any o the r
problems
with
Renee
Ri ta
,
o r
17
Ryan?
18 A.
Not
t h a t I know
of .
19 Q. Do
you
remember any spec i f i c problems
20
with Ryan
o r what
he did
to make you angry?
21 A . I th ink
he
carne
to see
me
or
ca l l ed me
22 and t o l d me
something
l i k e he didn t have any
par t
23
o f
t h a t .
24
Q.
Okay.
And
what
d id
you
t h in
k
abo
u t
t h a t
25 when he sa id tha t ?
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Q.
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That
s what
s t a r t e d
a l l
t h a t
crap .
Okay So what
do
you
mean
by th a t ?
Well
, when we pu l l ed ou t , t hey
still
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wanted
t h ings
.
They
h i r ed
a t t o rneys
,
and we didn
t
have
to
give them
any th ing .
Q. Why didn t you
have
to give them
any th ing?
A .
It was
none o f t h e i r
bus iness .
Q. So
how t he company
t he
company s
f i nanc i a l s
,
t h a t
was none o f t h e i r bus iness?
A . Oh , t hey cou ld
see t h a t
.
Q . Okay But your
A . But my
pe r sona l
s t u f f they didn
t.
Q. Got it .
So
when was t h i s in r e l a t
i on
to
the inc iden t s wi th
Gayle
and
your
daughter?
A . I t
was
a l l
about t he
same
t ime
.
Q.
Okay
. When
you
were rep lac ing
people on
t he se
on the boards o f your companies , d id you
put
your
wife Gayle on the boards o f any o f these
companies?
A . I
don
t r e c a l l .
Q .
You
don t r e ca l l ?
A . I don t
know
,
t h a t
s r i g h t .
Q .
Okay
Has Gay
l e
eve r
been
invo lved in
running any o f your bus inesses?
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A . No .
MR WITTMANN :
2
3
Objec t ion . That s got no th ing to do
4
wi t h
t h i s
case
,
whether Gayle
was o r
5 wasn t
i nvo lved
i n running a bus i
ness
.
6 But
sub jec t to
my
ob jec t ion
, you can
7
answe r
t he
ques t i
on
.
8 THE
WITNESS :
9
No .
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EXAMINATION
BY
MR
.
SCH
I LL I
NG
:
Q .
Okay
.
I s
she i nvolved now in r u
nn
i
ng
any
12 o f your
bus
i nesses?
13
A .
She
s i nvo lved wi
th
me ,
but she
don t run
14 any bus inesses .
Q .
When
you mean she s invo lved wi th you ,
you
mean
j u s t
be ing
you r wi
fe?
A . I
keep
he r
pos t ed
on
what
s
go1ng on
.
15
16
17
18
want h e r
to l ea rn t he
th
i
ng
.
My
p la n
i s t h a t
she
19
would
t
ak
e over when I
d ie
.
2
Q . And what i s what w i l l
she
t a ke
over?
2 1
A . T
he
S a i n t s ,
Pe
l
i c a n s
, and t
he two
22 au tomobi le dea l e r s h ip s he r e
23
Q .
24
now
25
A .
Okay
.
So
you re keeping he r informed
and some r e a l
e s t a t e
. We own a
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b u i ld in g and th
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2
Q.
I s
t h a t Benson Tower?
3
4
5
A .
Q.
A .
Yes
Okay
And we got
some
o ther b u i l d
- -
no
t
6 bu i ld ings , not bu i ld ings , b u t prope r ty .
7
Q.
What o th e r
proper ty?
8
9
10
12
13
14
15
A .
Q
r i g h t
,
a t
A .
Q.
about
t h e
A .
Q.
Real
e s t a t e , vacan t prope r
t y .
Right
. There i s l i k e a parking
lo t
,
Poydras
and Cla iborne?
That
s
t
.
Okay And then I t h ink we
a l ready
t a lked
l and where the dea le r sh ips
are loca ted?
Right .
Right
. Okay
And
those are That s
16 a l l
t he prope r ty t h a t
was
involved in
the
17
18
19
20
A .
Q
A .
Q.
There
i s
nothing
e l se
.
Those
are
a l l o f
your as se t s
you
mean?
Right .
Okay
Who
has been running the So the
21 prope r ty
the r e a l
e s t a t e
prope r ty ,
those
a re owned
22 by va r ious
companies
named Zel ia ; i s t h a t r i g h t ?
23
24
25
A .
Q.
A .
Yes
Where
does
th a
t
Zel ia name
come
from?
I th ink t h a t has to do with my
- -
I don t
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go t
to
n o t i f y them
.
Q . Okay. What
was
t he
change
of p lan t h a t
were n o t i f y i n g them
abou t here?
A . That Gayle
Benson would
be t he owner.
Q .
Okay
. Who
- -
Do you know who prepa red
document?
7
A .
Who
d id what?
8 Q . Do
you
know
who
prepa red
t h i s document?
9 A . No , I don ' t
know who
prepared
t h i s
10
document .
W hat s
t he da te o f
i t ?
Q .
t
' s June
25th
, 2015 i s
what
it says
on
12 page 2 .
13 A . t cou ld have
been
I
prepared
the
14 document and Vicky Neumeyer could have he lped me.
15 Q . Okay. So I t h ink you j us t
sa i d
yeah ,
16 t h a t t h e main purpose was to in form
t he NFL
t h a t
17
Gayle
was
going
to
be
t ak ing
over
t he
teams?
18
A. Cor rec t .
19
Q . Okay.
So
you say
here
, As
o f
t he
da te
20 o f Torn Benson ' s dea th , Gayle M. Benson s h a l l be t he
21 so l e Vot ing
Trus tee with r e spec t to
a l l
i n t e r e s t s
22
in
Benson F o o t b a l l , LLC under t he terms o f t he
23 m a r i t a l t r u s t . She s h a l l
be t he
Owner
24 Represen ta t ive fo r the
New
Orleans
Sa i n t s
and
s h a l l
25 have t h e so l e
power
to appo in t
and
r emove o t he r
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Owner Represen ta t ives
.
She
sha l l
have the so l e
power
to make a l l major dec i s ions with r espec t to
the
New Orleans
Sain t s
,
in c lud ing
,
but not
l im i t ed
to ,
any
dec i s i on to s e l l t he
team
.
ha l f
of
A .
Q.
dea th -
A .
Q.
Do
you
see t h a t ? I t s li ke the second
t h a t
b ig paragraph
on t he f i r s t page .
Okay .
So i s
t h a t
your
i n t en t , t h a t
a f t e r
your
Yes
Okay . I f you
ll
j u s t
l e t
me f i n i s h t he
12 ques t ion .
13 A . Right .
14 Q. Tha t a t your dea th t h a t Gayle
wi l l
have
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
the
so l e
power and con t ro l
over
t he
Sa in ts?
A .
Yes
Q.
Okay
.
So
then
if
she
doesn
t
wan
t
to
pay
back t h e
promissory
notes to t he t r u s t s , then she
could do t h a t , r i gh
t ?
A . No .
MR
. WITTMANN:
Objec t ion .
EXAMINATION BY MS . SCHILLING:
Q.
A .
What
do you
mean
by
no?
No reason t h a t
she wouldn
t .
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