Are children Egocentric Or Was piaget wrong…

ARE CHILDREN EGOCENTRIC

ORWAS PIAGET WRONG…

MAKAYLA TRULU

JEAN PIAGET1896-1980

• Born in Switzerland• When he was 11 he wrote a notice over an albino

sparrow, the start of hundreds of articles and over 60 books

• His interest for psychoanalysis began when he was at the University of Zurich

• Inspired by the wrong answers • He obsereved his three children: Jacqueline,

Lucienne and Laurent

PIAGET ME• 1896-1980• Switzerland• Extensive research

in psychology amongst other fields

• Written many articles and books

• Erasmus Prize and 11 other international prizes

• 1993-• America• AP Psychology,

Child Growth and Development

• Written zero articles and essays

• Zero international prizes

THE EXPERIMENT

DO PIAGET’S EXPERIMENT AS HE DID IT ALTER HIS EXPERIMENT

TRY TO OTHER EXPERIMENTS

WHY THIS EXPERIMENT?I chose this experiment because of the different studies I found while researching the three mountain task. Some modern day experiments showed kids were egocentric and other showed that kids are not. Some said you just had to find an experiment kids could understand. I knew that my test subject was exceptionally bright for his age, so I decided to try Piaget’s task and other modernized versions to test egocentrism.

Martin Hughes (1975) - Policeman Doll Study

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=OinqFgsIbh0

PIAGET’S RESULTS“These experiments were carried out on a hundred children, 21 between 4 and 6; 6 years, 30 between 6; 7 and 8 years, 33 8 and 9; 6 years, and 16 between 9; 6 and 12 years.”

Stage II: “child distinguished hardly or not at all between his own viewpoint and that of other observers”Stage III: “on the other hand (7-8 to 11-12 years), shows a progressive discrimination and co-ordination of perspective...(about 9-10 years), at which point the mastery of simple perspective is complete…” (Chapter Eight The Co-Ordination of Perspectives)

…I THINK HE MAY BE WRONG

HYPOTHESIS

WHY THIS HYPOTHESIS?

My test subject will be able to pass the egocentric experiments.

My test subject is very advanced academically and does not show the normal signs of being egocentric. For example, my test subject understands other points of view like someone else’s feelings. Another example is that when asked how his toy feels, he does not give it the same feelings as he has.

BACKGROUNDPeriods of Development

I. Sensorimotor Motor: birth-2 yearsI. Scheme- pattern or action for dealing with the environment: looking grasping, hitting or

kickingII. Primary circular reactions- organization of two previously separate body movements or

schemes: baby brings her hand to her face to look atIII. Thought begins- begin to think before they act

II. Preoperational Thought: 2-7 years. “Children learn to think-to use symbols and internal images- but their thinking is unsystematic and illogical. It is very different from that of adults.” (Theories of Development)I. Conservation of Continuous QuantitiesII. Make believe play developsIII. Animism- personification, they don’t separate nonliving and living, so give inanimate

objects life like qualitiesIII. Concrete Operations: 7-11 years

I. Think systematically but need concrete objects and activities IV. Formal Operations: 11- adulthood

I. Piaget did not do much for this stage, this was basically unchartered territory until Erikson. Refer to chapter 12 on Erikson

BACKGROUND“One must, nonetheless, ask whether the child is completely aware of how to communicate his thought and is capable of taking the point of view of others” (page 20 of Six Psychological Studies)

Egocentrism- the inability for children to see another’s perspectiveIf a child is egocentric, then they believe everyone else feels, sees and hears what

they do.

In his book Six Psychological Studies, Piaget says that adults often have a hard time understanding children between 2-7 because of this egocentricity- “lack of differentiation between his own point of view and that of others.” (29)

Piaget says that children during this stage do not support assertions with facts due to egocentrism. “In questioning children under seven years one is struck by the poverty of their proofs, by their incapacity to find ground for their statements, and even by the difficulty they experience in recapitulating through retrospection how they reached their conclusion.

FIRST EXPERIMENT

FOR THE FIRST EXPERIMENT I REPLICATED PIAGET’S THREE MOUNTAIN TASK AND PERFORMED IT AS HE DID.THIS EXPERIMENT HAD THREE PARTS:

1. CARDBOARD CUT OUTS2. PICTURES

3. PLACE BEAR WITH PICTURES

FIRST PART

Boy BunnyA

When asked what he sees, boy chose each of the cardboard cutout: first the green mountain, then the brown mountain and

lastly the grey mountain

BWhen asked what Mr. Bunny sees, my nephew chose the grey mountain. I asked him again to make sure that the bunny did

not see anything else and he pointed to the grey mountain again.

CSaid he saw grey mountain; When asked if he saw anything else he moved his hear around to see the brown mountain

because knew from his spot he could not see all the mountains unless he moved

AWhat does bunny see? Pointed to all the cardboard cut outs at

once. “This and this and this”

BGrey mountain, brown mountain, green mountain

CFor the bunny I had the models on a stool in between boy and the bunny so when I asked what bunny could see, bunny could see the cardboard cut outs. My mom who was filming pointed this out. Therefore, I moved the stool on the other side of boy. Then asked which mountains bunny saw. Boy picked grey and

brown mountain.

SECOND PARTBoy Bunny

A“Pick a picture of what you see”

Match? No, repeat this.Started guessing and then start

choosing mts (still with other “game” of choosing mts.

Found one that matches, 2nd best, grey and green; I picked up the right one

and asked if it matched and he said no. Wanted to move on.

C“What bunny sees?”

Picks grey mt.Picks pic of mt with little green

mt (2nd best)

CPicked grey mt.

Picked same pic as what bunny sawI decided to hold up right pic with the

he saw and picked the one he originally chose

AChose correct one, with grey mountain on the left, green in the background and brown on

the rightMy mom was filming and the boy said “Nama I’m all done

with this game”

BChose wrong one but immediately knew

it was wrong and chose the right answer

CRefers back to grey mt with small green mt on the left

THIRD PARTI was supposed to ask my test subject to choose a picture used during the second part of the experiment and to place the bear in the position at the table that gives him that viewHowever, he got so frustrated with part two that I just moved on. I did not want him to shut down and not do anymore experiments.

SECOND EXPERIMENT

FOR THE SECOND EXPERIMENT I WILL MODIFY PIAGET’S EXPERIMENT. INSTEAD OF USING PICTURES OR CARDBOARD CUT OUTS. I WILL USE ANIMALS:

1. ANIMALS2. MORE PERSONAL PICTURES

FIRST PART

Boy Me

Dog, Pig Frog, Horse

Alligator, Bear Owl, Duck

SECOND PARTBoy Me

Little Einstein Rocket Caillou

Caillou Little Einstein Rocket

THIRD EXPERIMENT

FOR THIS EXPERIMENT, I WILL RECREATE THE POLICEMAN DOLL STUDY. I WILL PLACE THE FIREMAN AT DIFFERENT WALLS AND ASK MY TEST SUBJECT TO PLACE LIGHTING MCQUEEN

WHERE THE FIREMAN CAN’T SEE HIM

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#1 #2

FOURTH EXPERIMENT

FOR THIS EXPERIMENT, I WILL ASK MY TEST SUBJECT TO TELL ME WHAT HE SEES AND THEN SWITCH PLACES WITH HIM AND TELL ME WHAT HE SEES AND WHAT I SEE.

Boy Me

Mater and Lightning McQueen Minnie, Mickey, Pluto, Daisy, Goofy and their at the park

Mickey and Minnie Mater and Lightning McQueen

PIAGET WAS W

RONG!!!

AND TOO CONFUSING!!!

PIAGET PRESENTED YOUNGKIDS WITH EXPERIMENTS THAT

WERE TOO COMPLEX

ANALYSIS

The boy I tested passed all the tests until it came to the pictures. He clearly showed that he was not egocentric, so I conclude that Piaget simply tested egocentrism in the wrong way. Children had such a hard time understanding the experiment that they showed the signs of egocentrism.

WHY MY EXPERIMENT WORKED

I BELIEVE THAT MY EXPERIMENT WORKED EVEN WHENOTHERS DID NOT BECAUSE I MADE IT FUN (CALLED IT A

GAME) AND MADE IT PERSONAL.

ONE THING I READ WAS THAT THE BEST TEACHERS ARE ONES THAT FIND WHAT THEIR KIDS ARE INTERESTED IN

AND PUSH THEM IN THAT DIRECTION.

LIMITATIONS

• ONE TEST SUBJECT• DID NOT PERFORM ONE OF THE EXPERIMENTS

• WAS RELATED TO ME• NOT MANY AGE LEVELS

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