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100:00:04,230 --> 00:00:10,570the oldest and strongest human emotion

200:00:07,599 --> 00:00:13,868is fear and the oldest and strongest

300:00:10,570 --> 00:00:17,289type of fear this trepidation of young

400:00:13,868 --> 00:00:21,759men when we were children our parents

500:00:17,289 --> 00:00:26,279told us that monsters didn't exist but

600:00:21,759 --> 00:00:26,278we were sure as something is lurking

700:00:26,879 --> 00:00:34,920beer seeds even if our eyes are closed

800:00:31,219 --> 00:00:37,950welcome to the realm of your king my

900:00:34,920 --> 00:00:40,800name is lon stripper join me as I

1000:00:37,950 --> 00:00:45,140examine unexplained creatures strange

1100:00:40,799 --> 00:00:48,479manifestations and remarkable realities

1200:00:45,140 --> 00:00:51,750imagine this next hour as a voyage of

1300:00:48,479 --> 00:00:54,869discovery to strange lands seeking not

1400:00:51,750 --> 00:00:57,899for new territory but for new knowledge


1500:00:54,869 --> 00:01:00,849of the supernatural come on board as we

1600:00:57,899 --> 00:01:04,149begin this adventure together

1700:01:00,850 --> 00:01:04,149[Music]

1800:01:10,810 --> 00:01:16,070hey folks good evening and welcome to

1900:01:13,280 --> 00:01:18,259another episode of arcane radio where we

2000:01:16,069 --> 00:01:20,059explore the unexplained here on the

2100:01:18,259 --> 00:01:22,519paranormal king radio network

2200:01:20,060 --> 00:01:24,920I'm your host lawn Strickler coming to

2300:01:22,519 --> 00:01:27,069you with gonna cannon shot of historic

2400:01:24,920 --> 00:01:29,629Gettysburg in the cryptid mecca of

2500:01:27,069 --> 00:01:32,929Pennsylvania thank you for joining me

2600:01:29,629 --> 00:01:34,519now before I begin with my guests I want

2700:01:32,929 --> 00:01:37,780to read a short account that I was

2800:01:34,519 --> 00:01:40,908reached that was recently forward to me

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00:01:37,780 --> 00:01:42,379the the writer states I grew up in the

3000:01:40,909 --> 00:01:44,359Appalachian Mountains

3100:01:42,379 --> 00:01:47,269completely rural in the Tennessee Valley

3200:01:44,359 --> 00:01:48,950community my house was surrounded by

3300:01:47,269 --> 00:01:52,968forested mountains now when I was about

3400:01:48,950 --> 00:01:54,84914 my dad started to hear strange sounds

3500:01:52,968 --> 00:01:57,199coming from the hills behind our house

3600:01:54,849 --> 00:01:59,270knocking sounds as if something was

3700:01:57,200 --> 00:02:03,140hitting a tree in the occasional unhuman

3800:01:59,269 --> 00:02:05,118Yelp my dog a rough and tough outside

3900:02:03,140 --> 00:02:08,269boy was very drawn to these hills at

4000:02:05,118 --> 00:02:10,008random times his ears would shoot up he

4100:02:08,269 --> 00:02:12,799quickly run up through the forest and

4200:02:10,008 --> 00:02:15,619stay for a while him going up into the

4300:02:12,799 --> 00:02:18,620


hills wasn't uncommon but at the time he

4400:02:15,620 --> 00:02:21,289started acting peculiar suspicious about

4500:02:18,620 --> 00:02:24,259them and don't worry nothing happens to

4600:02:21,289 --> 00:02:26,780him in this story well anyways the noise

4700:02:24,259 --> 00:02:29,030started become more frequent my brother

4800:02:26,780 --> 00:02:31,370and his friend used to hunt for ginseng

4900:02:29,030 --> 00:02:33,259up in the hills and they heard the

5000:02:31,370 --> 00:02:36,469noises too much louder of course since

5100:02:33,259 --> 00:02:38,899they were near the source and the one

5200:02:36,469 --> 00:02:41,120day the noises wouldn't stop they

5300:02:38,900 --> 00:02:42,739progressed louder and louder and and

5400:02:41,120 --> 00:02:45,200there was growling as well

5500:02:42,739 --> 00:02:48,349my brother was pretty much sick of it by

5600:02:45,199 --> 00:02:51,439now and wanted to know what was up there

5700:02:48,348 --> 00:02:53,568after about a year of wandering it's


5800:02:51,439 --> 00:02:55,669evening time about to get dark so he

5900:02:53,568 --> 00:02:59,268takes his flashlight and shotgun and

6000:02:55,669 --> 00:03:01,489heads up the hills he sees a creature

6100:02:59,269 --> 00:03:04,159that looked like what he said could have

6200:03:01,489 --> 00:03:06,049been a sasquatch it was tall broad

6300:03:04,159 --> 00:03:08,959shoulders wider than his torso

6400:03:06,049 --> 00:03:12,200he saw its silhouette because the dark

6500:03:08,959 --> 00:03:14,000that came he chased it off came back to

6600:03:12,199 --> 00:03:16,369the house and told me what happened and

6700:03:14,000 --> 00:03:19,128drew a sketch of what it looked like and

6800:03:16,370 --> 00:03:20,000the noise has stopped after that day and

6900:03:19,128 --> 00:03:22,908never came back

7000:03:20,000 --> 00:03:23,389and to this day we're still committed

7100:03:22,908 --> 00:03:27,049for


7200:03:23,389 --> 00:03:31,068around here I've been getting a lot of

7300:03:27,050 --> 00:03:33,920stories from eastern Tennessee last

7400:03:31,068 --> 00:03:35,629couple of weeks in you know some older

7500:03:33,919 --> 00:03:38,599stories but there's been a lot going on

7600:03:35,629 --> 00:03:41,060up there as well so um you know when I

7700:03:38,599 --> 00:03:43,489get them I post them so let's get

7800:03:41,060 --> 00:03:45,439started with the show tonight

7900:03:43,490 --> 00:03:48,860I welcome paranormal researcher author

8000:03:45,439 --> 00:03:51,889James a wills to arcane radio now in

8100:03:48,860 --> 00:03:54,5901999 after spending 115 years chasing

8200:03:51,889 --> 00:03:57,799after ghosts and visiting crybaby

8300:03:54,590 --> 00:04:01,280bridges Willis moved to Ohio and found

8400:03:57,800 --> 00:04:03,830founded the office ghost of Ohio's ghost

8500:04:01,280 --> 00:04:06,979of House dot-org a nationally recognized

86


00:04:03,830 --> 00:04:08,750paranormal research organization Willis

8700:04:06,979 --> 00:04:10,789has grown the organization to well over

8800:04:08,750 --> 00:04:13,15935 members and three divisions

8900:04:10,789 --> 00:04:14,150throughout the state Columbus Cleveland

9000:04:13,159 --> 00:04:17,060and Cincinnati

9100:04:14,150 --> 00:04:20,660James has written 14 books including six

9200:04:17,060 --> 00:04:22,790titles in the weird US series assault

9300:04:20,660 --> 00:04:24,560after public speaker Willis has given

9400:04:22,790 --> 00:04:27,140presentations throughout the United

9500:04:24,560 --> 00:04:28,970States during which he has educated and

9600:04:27,139 --> 00:04:31,909entertained tens of thousands of people

9700:04:28,970 --> 00:04:35,450of all ages and crowd sizes ranging from

9800:04:31,910 --> 00:04:37,75010 to well over 600 he has also been

9900:04:35,449 --> 00:04:41,899featured in more than 75 media sources

10000:04:37,750 --> 00:04:45,110


including CNN USA Midwest living the

10100:04:41,899 --> 00:04:47,209Canadian press and others so James

10200:04:45,110 --> 00:04:49,160thanks for joining me this evening it is

10300:04:47,209 --> 00:04:51,949my pleasure thank you for having me

10400:04:49,160 --> 00:04:53,630god it's great to talk to you I you you

10500:04:51,949 --> 00:04:55,939know you and I were discussing we've

10600:04:53,629 --> 00:04:57,620never met never talked before which

10700:04:55,939 --> 00:05:00,110seems weird because we've kind of been

10800:04:57,620 --> 00:05:02,418in this for a long time each yeah

10900:05:00,110 --> 00:05:04,040exactly right I guess the the strange

11000:05:02,418 --> 00:05:05,569powers that be don't want us getting

11100:05:04,040 --> 00:05:06,410together and letting their secrets out

11200:05:05,569 --> 00:05:10,538or something

11300:05:06,410 --> 00:05:12,140yeah so you know you sent me a list of

11400:05:10,538 --> 00:05:14,719you're like me


11500:05:12,139 --> 00:05:16,759eclectic paranormal investigator you

11600:05:14,720 --> 00:05:18,560kind of look into everything yeah they

11700:05:16,759 --> 00:05:21,129call me weird Willis for short so I

11800:05:18,560 --> 00:05:23,769guess that covers everything that way

11900:05:21,129 --> 00:05:27,560Wow let's go ahead and start off with

12000:05:23,769 --> 00:05:29,389hauntings ghosts and such tell us a bit

12100:05:27,560 --> 00:05:33,259about what you cronic will do in the

12200:05:29,389 --> 00:05:38,689ears and some of the better hauntings in

12300:05:33,259 --> 00:05:42,259the state Ohio Wow yeah that'll

12400:05:38,689 --> 00:05:44,750yeah I am I've actually been I was born

12500:05:42,259 --> 00:05:47,420and raised in upstate New York and I mu

12600:05:44,750 --> 00:05:50,779I got involved with ghosts organizations

12700:05:47,420 --> 00:05:52,009way back when in the 1980s when they

12800:05:50,779 --> 00:05:56,029didn't even really call them ghost


12900:05:52,009 --> 00:05:59,269organizations and it wasn't until 1999

13000:05:56,029 --> 00:06:02,089when I moved to Ohio that originally I

13100:05:59,269 --> 00:06:05,569was just going to try to join a group

13200:06:02,089 --> 00:06:09,549but there were I think three other our

13300:06:05,569 --> 00:06:12,199existing ghost organizations in Ohio so

13400:06:09,550 --> 00:06:13,879we really didn't seem like we meshed and

13500:06:12,199 --> 00:06:15,170I was sort of naive and arrogant enough

13600:06:13,879 --> 00:06:17,480to say oh I'm going to start my own

13700:06:15,170 --> 00:06:20,870group so that's when I started the ghost

13800:06:17,480 --> 00:06:23,390of Ohio and I guess we just celebrated

13900:06:20,870 --> 00:06:27,170our 20th anniversary so we've been going

14000:06:23,389 --> 00:06:29,329strong ever since then I guess the bulk

14100:06:27,170 --> 00:06:32,449of the work that we do is with regard to

14200:06:29,329 --> 00:06:35,209private residences private businesses

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00:06:32,449 --> 00:06:37,810and as well as we go out to sort of the

14400:06:35,209 --> 00:06:39,069the bigger sort of I guess public

14500:06:37,810 --> 00:06:42,350pay-to-play

14600:06:39,069 --> 00:06:45,769haunted places not only in Ohio but also

14700:06:42,350 --> 00:06:47,360through the Midwest but so of course I

14800:06:45,769 --> 00:06:48,799guess the first thing that pops in my

14900:06:47,360 --> 00:06:50,600mind is that you know like Mansfield

15000:06:48,800 --> 00:06:53,360reformatory I've been there many times

15100:06:50,600 --> 00:06:57,200over the years and that's a place that

15200:06:53,360 --> 00:06:59,540never really fails to sort of deliver if

15300:06:57,199 --> 00:07:01,849you will I always have to caveat that by

15400:06:59,540 --> 00:07:03,590saying it won't deliver in terms of what

15500:07:01,850 --> 00:07:07,280you'd expect from like a ghost reality

15600:07:03,589 --> 00:07:10,819show I wish it was that easy but yeah

15700:07:07,279 --> 00:07:13,039


we've been there six times at least

15800:07:10,819 --> 00:07:15,980probably even more than that and have

15900:07:13,040 --> 00:07:20,150gotten everything from unexplained

16000:07:15,980 --> 00:07:22,640voices footsteps the shadow figures

16100:07:20,149 --> 00:07:24,409those sort of things so that's one of

16200:07:22,639 --> 00:07:27,199the places that sort of pops in right

16300:07:24,410 --> 00:07:31,970off the bat that I really enjoy visiting

16400:07:27,199 --> 00:07:35,599in Ohio when you do investigations what

16500:07:31,970 --> 00:07:38,360exactly do you do as a group that's a

16600:07:35,600 --> 00:07:40,490great question because over the years we

16700:07:38,360 --> 00:07:43,100have kind of I guess I should say that

16800:07:40,490 --> 00:07:45,819what I did when I started the

16900:07:43,100 --> 00:07:49,189organization is I sort of hand-picked

17000:07:45,819 --> 00:07:50,899the members as they joined and I wanted

17100:07:49,189 --> 00:07:53,629to have a team


17200:07:50,899 --> 00:07:57,679that ran the full gamut from total

17300:07:53,629 --> 00:08:00,110believer to total skeptic and the reason

17400:07:57,680 --> 00:08:02,509I wanted to do that was so that when we

17500:08:00,110 --> 00:08:05,870got what could be deemed as evidence be

17600:08:02,509 --> 00:08:08,029an audio video what have you I could

17700:08:05,870 --> 00:08:09,379then sort of throw that evidence in the

17800:08:08,029 --> 00:08:11,419middle of the room and we would all

17900:08:09,379 --> 00:08:13,009fight over it you know because the

18000:08:11,420 --> 00:08:15,050skeptics would be saying that's nothing

18100:08:13,009 --> 00:08:17,719that's nothing the believers everything

18200:08:15,050 --> 00:08:19,759was a ghost and what I was looking for

18300:08:17,720 --> 00:08:22,610was at the end of the day when we were

18400:08:19,759 --> 00:08:25,039done arguing if we could walk away by

18500:08:22,610 --> 00:08:27,530saying I don't know what that is or we


18600:08:25,040 --> 00:08:28,760can't explain it it wasn't these 20

18700:08:27,529 --> 00:08:31,789different things so as of right now

18800:08:28,759 --> 00:08:33,169that's unexplainable not to say we

18900:08:31,790 --> 00:08:35,180couldn't explain to further down the

19000:08:33,169 --> 00:08:38,149line but that's what I was looking for

19100:08:35,179 --> 00:08:40,279things that we could not explain so when

19200:08:38,149 --> 00:08:42,350we go out to do investigations I mean

19300:08:40,279 --> 00:08:45,559obviously it would vary depending on how

19400:08:42,350 --> 00:08:47,930big the location was as well as the the

19500:08:45,559 --> 00:08:50,839type of activity that is being reported

19600:08:47,929 --> 00:08:52,699and then I sort of mix and match the

19700:08:50,840 --> 00:08:56,120people that'll come with me I might pair

19800:08:52,700 --> 00:08:59,600up a skeptic with a believer and see how

19900:08:56,120 --> 00:09:03,649that works or if there's a place where a

200


00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:06,200lot of people are reporting you know

20100:09:03,649 --> 00:09:07,490being touched or or you know having

20200:09:06,200 --> 00:09:09,830interaction with spirits

20300:09:07,490 --> 00:09:12,169I might sort of stack my paranormal deck

20400:09:09,830 --> 00:09:13,940and bring several members that might be

20500:09:12,169 --> 00:09:17,569sensitive to see if we can pick up on

20600:09:13,940 --> 00:09:19,970that so yeah it's a lot of mix and

20700:09:17,570 --> 00:09:21,470matching that goes into play whenever

20800:09:19,970 --> 00:09:23,899we're sort of setting these things up

20900:09:21,470 --> 00:09:26,410and especially with our private

21000:09:23,899 --> 00:09:30,110investigations of the private residences

21100:09:26,409 --> 00:09:32,929those are usually ongoing so it will

21200:09:30,110 --> 00:09:34,250allow us to sort of go in and not think

21300:09:32,929 --> 00:09:36,919that okay this is going to be a one-shot

21400:09:34,250 --> 00:09:39,080


deal and we're done so we will go out

21500:09:36,919 --> 00:09:41,870several times and sometimes I'll keep

21600:09:39,080 --> 00:09:43,820constants where each person stays the

21700:09:41,870 --> 00:09:46,490same that goes out but I might mix that

21800:09:43,820 --> 00:09:49,610up as well and the same goes for the

21900:09:46,490 --> 00:09:53,120types of equipment we've over the years

22000:09:49,610 --> 00:09:56,419have gone from being total equipment

22100:09:53,120 --> 00:09:58,970based you know multiple SUVs stocked to

22200:09:56,419 --> 00:10:01,399the gills with equipment and then we'll

22300:09:58,970 --> 00:10:03,170sit down and go you know what there

22400:10:01,399 --> 00:10:04,709could be a ghost behind us but we're so

22500:10:03,169 --> 00:10:06,750busy focused on the mana

22600:10:04,710 --> 00:10:08,580that we don't even see it's standing

22700:10:06,750 --> 00:10:12,120behind us so then we'll go the other way

22800:10:08,580 --> 00:10:14,670and go totally basic maybe just a couple


22900:10:12,120 --> 00:10:16,860of digital recorders and set up the DVR

23000:10:14,669 --> 00:10:18,899cameras in the room but other than that

23100:10:16,860 --> 00:10:21,240we don't interact with the equipment at

23200:10:18,899 --> 00:10:23,129all we just sort of try to become you

23300:10:21,240 --> 00:10:25,769know more in tune with the surroundings

23400:10:23,129 --> 00:10:27,409and see how that works so it's a little

23500:10:25,769 --> 00:10:30,600bit of everything gets thrown in there

23600:10:27,409 --> 00:10:33,329yeah I'm kind of old-school guy I am I

23700:10:30,600 --> 00:10:38,070never really got into using equipment

23800:10:33,330 --> 00:10:40,100I'm an intuitive and I normally have

23900:10:38,070 --> 00:10:43,890worked with other intuitive's or

24000:10:40,100 --> 00:10:47,670psychics and when we do investigations

24100:10:43,889 --> 00:10:51,419and like you said you only hang up will

24200:10:47,669 --> 00:10:56,159usually use is a digital recorder we may


24300:10:51,419 --> 00:10:59,189have a couple cameras set up you know in

24400:10:56,159 --> 00:11:01,199case something does show up but that's

24500:10:59,190 --> 00:11:03,800pretty well what I've done and you know

24600:11:01,200 --> 00:11:07,980I I have one the more people I talk to

24700:11:03,799 --> 00:11:09,990they're there does seem to be an

24800:11:07,980 --> 00:11:12,200increase of groups that are kind of

24900:11:09,990 --> 00:11:14,459cutting back on the equipment being used

25000:11:12,200 --> 00:11:17,520yeah I'd have to agree with that and I

25100:11:14,458 --> 00:11:20,429think first and foremost I can see why

25200:11:17,519 --> 00:11:22,649because stuff's expensive you know and

25300:11:20,429 --> 00:11:26,309and if if we're going to I'm going to be

25400:11:22,649 --> 00:11:28,799totally honest we the equipment that's

25500:11:26,309 --> 00:11:31,708out there right now even though they say

25600:11:28,799 --> 00:11:33,659it detects ghosts nobody can really make

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00:11:31,708 --> 00:11:36,809that claim because what is a ghost so

25800:11:33,659 --> 00:11:38,100how do you have a vise so I think all of

25900:11:36,809 --> 00:11:40,469that needs to be taken with a grain of

26000:11:38,100 --> 00:11:42,420salt that being said a lot of the

26100:11:40,470 --> 00:11:45,269equipment that we use is not the

26200:11:42,419 --> 00:11:49,528standard ghost hunting equipment

26300:11:45,269 --> 00:11:51,750it's designed to detect environmental

26400:11:49,528 --> 00:11:53,759changes that could be paranormal but it

26500:11:51,750 --> 00:11:55,980could also just be you know the weather

26600:11:53,759 --> 00:11:58,559or something that's that's moving in or

26700:11:55,980 --> 00:12:00,089it could be related to you know normal

26800:11:58,559 --> 00:12:03,899electrical charges that are going

26900:12:00,089 --> 00:12:05,700through a room so yeah I have seen as

27000:12:03,899 --> 00:12:09,328well that people are cutting back on it

27100:12:05,700 --> 00:12:11,370


the reason that we use so much of it and

27200:12:09,328 --> 00:12:15,659even if we are kind of going like you

27300:12:11,370 --> 00:12:18,509said old school will still keep the more

27400:12:15,659 --> 00:12:20,879modern audio and video

27500:12:18,509 --> 00:12:23,429on board with us specifically if we're

27600:12:20,879 --> 00:12:25,289doing a private investigation because

27700:12:23,429 --> 00:12:27,870this is where we've got people want us

27800:12:25,289 --> 00:12:30,480to come out and sort of either validate

27900:12:27,870 --> 00:12:33,179or come up with a rational explanation

28000:12:30,480 --> 00:12:35,490for what they're experiencing so there

28100:12:33,179 --> 00:12:38,039we kind of need that audio and video to

28200:12:35,490 --> 00:12:39,629sort of give us backup if you will mmm

28300:12:38,039 --> 00:12:44,189yeah I can understand that you know

28400:12:39,629 --> 00:12:45,779people want answers and you know I and

28500:12:44,190 --> 00:12:47,310for the most part most of the case I've


28600:12:45,779 --> 00:12:50,250been a wall with they want answers any

28700:12:47,309 --> 00:12:52,709one things taken care of as well so yeah

28800:12:50,250 --> 00:12:55,200you know and you talk about cases you

28900:12:52,710 --> 00:12:57,780know I've been involved with cases now

29000:12:55,200 --> 00:13:00,300for years I mean I have one case in

29100:12:57,779 --> 00:13:04,110particular where I've been working with

29200:13:00,299 --> 00:13:06,509these people oh I'd say about eight

29300:13:04,110 --> 00:13:10,050years now Wow yeah yeah

29400:13:06,509 --> 00:13:15,379these are firm situations and you know

29500:13:10,049 --> 00:13:20,399I've always been I've always been sure

29600:13:15,379 --> 00:13:22,230to you have aftercare with a client yep

29700:13:20,399 --> 00:13:24,449you know I don't charge anything or

29800:13:22,230 --> 00:13:26,580anything like that but you know I want

29900:13:24,450 --> 00:13:31,080to make sure I kind of keep tabs with


30000:13:26,580 --> 00:13:33,200them and to stay with them in case other

30100:13:31,080 --> 00:13:35,790some pops up again and you know

30200:13:33,200 --> 00:13:39,000invariably that does happen I mean these

30300:13:35,789 --> 00:13:40,949cases can go on for you know going for a

30400:13:39,000 --> 00:13:44,850long time it's not always being able to

30500:13:40,950 --> 00:13:46,800move things on a lot of it is that the

30600:13:44,850 --> 00:13:48,960client has to learn how to deal with it

30700:13:46,799 --> 00:13:51,240for the most part right yep you're

30800:13:48,960 --> 00:13:53,430you're exactly right it's good to hear

30900:13:51,240 --> 00:13:55,169that that's how you sort of approach the

31000:13:53,429 --> 00:13:58,679cases that they're ongoing because I

31100:13:55,169 --> 00:14:01,529think in recent years it seems to me

31200:13:58,679 --> 00:14:04,049that we've this field is sort of fallen

31300:14:01,529 --> 00:14:05,490into a trap where it's okay we're gonna

314


00:14:04,049 --> 00:14:09,120come out we're gonna be there for a few

31500:14:05,490 --> 00:14:10,860hours and whatever we collect that's

31600:14:09,120 --> 00:14:13,560what's there and if we don't find

31700:14:10,860 --> 00:14:16,230anything there's nothing there which i

31800:14:13,559 --> 00:14:17,849think is almost just as dangerous

31900:14:16,230 --> 00:14:19,289because I you know I always say that I

32000:14:17,850 --> 00:14:21,360kind of equate it to like ghostly

32100:14:19,289 --> 00:14:24,419fishing in that you could go out to a

32200:14:21,360 --> 00:14:25,470fully stocked pond but you just happened

32300:14:24,419 --> 00:14:27,029to be there at the wrong time and

32400:14:25,470 --> 00:14:28,889nothing's biting doesn't mean the fish

32500:14:27,029 --> 00:14:32,009aren't there it's just that they're not

32600:14:28,889 --> 00:14:33,480biting and so IIIi

32700:14:32,009 --> 00:14:35,639that when you said that you know you go

32800:14:33,480 --> 00:14:39,029


keep going back out there because you

32900:14:35,639 --> 00:14:40,409I wish ghosts did do sort of how they do

33000:14:39,029 --> 00:14:43,019on some of these shows where they kind

33100:14:40,409 --> 00:14:45,360of act always on command you know it

33200:14:43,019 --> 00:14:46,980would make my job a lot easier you know

33300:14:45,360 --> 00:14:48,870you could just go out there ask it to do

33400:14:46,980 --> 00:14:50,129something and then you know drive right

33500:14:48,870 --> 00:14:52,110back home again with all this evidence

33600:14:50,129 --> 00:14:54,689you know I wouldn't be spending eight

33700:14:52,110 --> 00:14:56,909ten twelve hours in a dark basement you

33800:14:54,690 --> 00:14:57,990know saying is anyone here could you do

33900:14:56,909 --> 00:14:59,850you know and then when you hear a noise

34000:14:57,990 --> 00:15:02,549it's like was that you could you do it

34100:14:59,850 --> 00:15:04,710again so I I wish they did operate you

34200:15:02,549 --> 00:15:06,929know on command but you know it's good


34300:15:04,710 --> 00:15:09,000to hear that you you do follow up

34400:15:06,929 --> 00:15:12,329because you're exactly right I mean the

34500:15:09,000 --> 00:15:13,830conditions change and sometimes there

34600:15:12,330 --> 00:15:16,770are sort of for lack of a better term

34700:15:13,830 --> 00:15:18,450you know relapse is where things are you

34800:15:16,769 --> 00:15:20,329know will pick up or they'll come and go

34900:15:18,450 --> 00:15:23,060in spurts where you kind of need that

35000:15:20,330 --> 00:15:26,610constant communication with the clients

35100:15:23,059 --> 00:15:28,889that's right I mean it's I never looked

35200:15:26,610 --> 00:15:31,289at it as being a short-term thing you

35300:15:28,889 --> 00:15:33,750know a lot of times clients will want

35400:15:31,289 --> 00:15:36,480you to come in there or you know I do a

35500:15:33,750 --> 00:15:39,960lot I do most of my work remotely it's

35600:15:36,480 --> 00:15:43,259quite honest with you uh-huh and you


35700:15:39,960 --> 00:15:45,870know I've been able to use that to

35800:15:43,259 --> 00:15:49,289freaks with good results over the years

35900:15:45,870 --> 00:15:50,730but it's one of these things where

36000:15:49,289 --> 00:15:55,019you've got to stick to it now of course

36100:15:50,730 --> 00:15:57,090if I can find somebody who I locally to

36200:15:55,019 --> 00:16:01,289the client then I will gonna work along

36300:15:57,090 --> 00:16:04,920with them but yeah it's it's never like

36400:16:01,289 --> 00:16:07,259the paranormal TV shows no no way right

36500:16:04,919 --> 00:16:10,620you're not going in there for one night

36600:16:07,259 --> 00:16:15,179and just have a cure for everything it's

36700:16:10,620 --> 00:16:18,899been going on but uh you know you're

36800:16:15,179 --> 00:16:21,029right it's it is really I guess the

36900:16:18,899 --> 00:16:24,059preferences are interesting and what

37000:16:21,029 --> 00:16:28,049different groups use but the old the old

371


00:16:24,059 --> 00:16:32,099EVP and digital recorders is probably as

37200:16:28,049 --> 00:16:34,289high-tech as I get and you know I it's

37300:16:32,100 --> 00:16:37,470been one I guess it's probably the best

37400:16:34,289 --> 00:16:40,559of all I've ever been able to use yeah

37500:16:37,470 --> 00:16:42,420and we do have certain pieces of

37600:16:40,559 --> 00:16:44,279equipment that we use that are sort of

37700:16:42,419 --> 00:16:45,719the tried and true you know it's the

37800:16:44,279 --> 00:16:48,809go-to pieces of equipment

37900:16:45,720 --> 00:16:50,839that we use but with regard to audio

38000:16:48,809 --> 00:16:54,508what we always like to do as well as

38100:16:50,839 --> 00:16:56,399we're trying to figure out okay well if

38200:16:54,509 --> 00:16:58,350something is trying to communicate is

38300:16:56,399 --> 00:17:00,269there a way that we could better

38400:16:58,350 --> 00:17:03,449facilitate that you know when we get

38500:17:00,269 --> 00:17:05,370


these sort of broken EVPs is it because

38600:17:03,448 --> 00:17:07,529that's how it's coming through or is it

38700:17:05,369 --> 00:17:09,359because the recording device is not

38800:17:07,529 --> 00:17:12,209allowing it to come through as clear as

38900:17:09,359 --> 00:17:14,369it wants to and so we have been known on

39000:17:12,209 --> 00:17:16,019investigations to bring out multiple

39100:17:14,369 --> 00:17:19,739recording devices that are everything

39200:17:16,019 --> 00:17:23,369from we have studio microphones that are

39300:17:19,740 --> 00:17:26,099hardwired into a an 8 channel mixing

39400:17:23,369 --> 00:17:29,548board all the way down to micro cassette

39500:17:26,099 --> 00:17:31,319recorders reel to reels so we kind of

39600:17:29,548 --> 00:17:33,808run the gamut and it's kind of

39700:17:31,319 --> 00:17:36,418interesting to almost do experiments

39800:17:33,808 --> 00:17:38,369with the audio where we will conduct an

39900:17:36,419 --> 00:17:40,770investigation and we'll line up four or


40000:17:38,369 --> 00:17:44,879five different audio devices in the same

40100:17:40,769 --> 00:17:46,589spot and see okay well if a car goes by

40200:17:44,880 --> 00:17:48,330do they all pick it up and does it sound

40300:17:46,589 --> 00:17:50,428like a car or do some of them over

40400:17:48,329 --> 00:17:53,308modulate and it sounds like something

40500:17:50,429 --> 00:17:55,440different and those have been really fun

40600:17:53,308 --> 00:17:59,158and very intriguing because on some of

40700:17:55,440 --> 00:18:01,110these cases we've gotten voices that

40800:17:59,159 --> 00:18:03,929just come through on one specific

40900:18:01,109 --> 00:18:06,719recorder and the other ones don't even

41000:18:03,929 --> 00:18:09,179pick up sort of ambient sounds or sounds

41100:18:06,720 --> 00:18:11,519where you could say okay that recorder

41200:18:09,179 --> 00:18:12,960heard this but it made it sound like a

41300:18:11,519 --> 00:18:16,440voice just because of the way that it


41400:18:12,960 --> 00:18:18,269records so it's almost as if someone or

41500:18:16,440 --> 00:18:21,000something is which sounds really weird

41600:18:18,269 --> 00:18:25,980but is targeting that one recorder which

41700:18:21,000 --> 00:18:28,798to me is just fascinating mm-hmm so over

41800:18:25,980 --> 00:18:30,240the years what can you say is the

41900:18:28,798 --> 00:18:32,250strangest things that you've encountered

42000:18:30,240 --> 00:18:34,890or the strangest case you've been

42100:18:32,250 --> 00:18:37,200involved with Wow

42200:18:34,890 --> 00:18:40,500there's there's a there's a bunch of

42300:18:37,200 --> 00:18:43,470them and interestingly enough I would

42400:18:40,500 --> 00:18:47,759say within the past few years we've had

42500:18:43,470 --> 00:18:49,048some really strange activity that's

42600:18:47,759 --> 00:18:51,750really sort of left me kind of

42700:18:49,048 --> 00:18:54,480scratching my head I guess one of the

428


00:18:51,750 --> 00:18:59,009more recent ones we were doing an

42900:18:54,480 --> 00:19:01,470investigation at a library in Ohio

43000:18:59,009 --> 00:19:05,039they had reported activity and one of

43100:19:01,470 --> 00:19:07,170the things they were reporting was a

43200:19:05,039 --> 00:19:11,069gentleman when actually sitting in his

43300:19:07,170 --> 00:19:12,509office would hear a woman I believe she

43400:19:11,069 --> 00:19:14,069might have called his name I could be

43500:19:12,509 --> 00:19:16,769wrong about that but he would hear a

43600:19:14,069 --> 00:19:17,939woman like talking nearby him and he

43700:19:16,769 --> 00:19:21,000would turn around and there'd be no one

43800:19:17,940 --> 00:19:24,870there so we tried to do a recreation of

43900:19:21,000 --> 00:19:26,730that and I was sort of playing the the

44000:19:24,869 --> 00:19:29,549role of the male librarian so I was

44100:19:26,730 --> 00:19:31,589sitting at the desk and we had other

44200:19:29,549 --> 00:19:34,619


investigators throughout the library but

44300:19:31,589 --> 00:19:36,809in the general area where I was probably

44400:19:34,619 --> 00:19:39,899I would guess about 30 or 40 feet away

44500:19:36,809 --> 00:19:42,899from me and behind a series of closed

44600:19:39,900 --> 00:19:45,240doors was one of our investigators Wendy

44700:19:42,900 --> 00:19:46,620and she was sort of at the monitors

44800:19:45,240 --> 00:19:48,539listening with the headphones and

44900:19:46,619 --> 00:19:51,629watching everybody on the monitors and

45000:19:48,539 --> 00:19:55,079as I was sitting there at one point I

45100:19:51,630 --> 00:19:56,820heard Wendy laughs and because we always

45200:19:55,079 --> 00:19:59,939have to call out anything that we hear

45300:19:56,819 --> 00:20:01,460on the audio I said you know out loud to

45400:19:59,940 --> 00:20:03,630my digital recorder and the other

45500:20:01,460 --> 00:20:06,960recording device in the area that's

45600:20:03,630 --> 00:20:09,420Wendy laughing in the other room and I


45700:20:06,960 --> 00:20:11,039guess about 20 minutes later or so I got

45800:20:09,420 --> 00:20:14,070up it was the end of the session and I

45900:20:11,039 --> 00:20:16,139came back in and I said to Wendy was

46000:20:14,069 --> 00:20:17,730still sitting there yeah I don't think

46100:20:16,140 --> 00:20:19,230there's really anything going on and she

46200:20:17,730 --> 00:20:21,269said no it doesn't seem like there's

46300:20:19,230 --> 00:20:23,880anything going on in here I said but

46400:20:21,269 --> 00:20:25,470what did you laugh at earlier and she

46500:20:23,880 --> 00:20:27,750said I didn't laugh and I said no you

46600:20:25,470 --> 00:20:28,950did I heard you it sounded like you it

46700:20:27,750 --> 00:20:32,430sounded like you in the other room and

46800:20:28,950 --> 00:20:34,799she said I didn't laugh and so I had

46900:20:32,430 --> 00:20:37,560went and got my digital voice recorder

47000:20:34,799 --> 00:20:40,889which was sitting on the desk were right


47100:20:37,559 --> 00:20:43,159where I was and I played it back and you

47200:20:40,890 --> 00:20:45,900hear nothing and then you hear me say

47300:20:43,160 --> 00:20:48,000that's Wendy laughing in the other room

47400:20:45,900 --> 00:20:50,519so I thought that was a little odd

47500:20:48,000 --> 00:20:53,640because I did hear with my own ears and

47600:20:50,519 --> 00:20:55,980it seemed odd that that device right

47700:20:53,640 --> 00:20:59,430next to me didn't pick it up and it's a

47800:20:55,980 --> 00:21:01,140quality stereo microphone so I thought

47900:20:59,430 --> 00:21:04,230that was a little weird but then we went

48000:21:01,140 --> 00:21:07,460and played back there was a studio

48100:21:04,230 --> 00:21:11,759microphone right next to me as well you

48200:21:07,460 --> 00:21:12,930clearly hear a woman laughing and that

48300:21:11,759 --> 00:21:15,150you hear me respond

48400:21:12,930 --> 00:21:17,640and say that's Wendy laughing in the

485


00:21:15,150 --> 00:21:19,830other room the weird the really weird

48600:21:17,640 --> 00:21:24,480thing though is that we try to recreate

48700:21:19,829 --> 00:21:27,509that we had her laugh from that area we

48800:21:24,480 --> 00:21:30,299couldn't hear her so we don't know so it

48900:21:27,509 --> 00:21:32,579was strange to me how I heard it with my

49000:21:30,299 --> 00:21:34,710own ears the digital voice recorder

49100:21:32,579 --> 00:21:36,419didn't pick it up but the studio

49200:21:34,710 --> 00:21:39,660microphone did and then it got even

49300:21:36,420 --> 00:21:42,120weirder when we for our investigations

49400:21:39,660 --> 00:21:44,490what we do is anybody who's going to be

49500:21:42,119 --> 00:21:46,199going on an investigation with us we

49600:21:44,490 --> 00:21:49,049create a voice imprint or a voice

49700:21:46,200 --> 00:21:52,049pattern we we have each individual

49800:21:49,049 --> 00:21:54,119investigator stand up right up against

49900:21:52,049 --> 00:21:56,490


the studio microphone and say these

50000:21:54,119 --> 00:21:58,649three sentences from a particular book

50100:21:56,490 --> 00:22:00,269and then we have the whisper those three

50200:21:58,650 --> 00:22:01,650sentences because you know as you know

50300:22:00,269 --> 00:22:03,240you don't use your vocal cords when

50400:22:01,650 --> 00:22:06,230you're whispering and then we back them

50500:22:03,240 --> 00:22:08,190up six foot say the same three sentences

50600:22:06,230 --> 00:22:10,890whisper the same three sentences then

50700:22:08,190 --> 00:22:13,500back them up to 12 foot when we took

50800:22:10,890 --> 00:22:16,140that Wendy laughs if you will and put it

50900:22:13,500 --> 00:22:19,950up against Wendy's actual voice pattern

51000:22:16,140 --> 00:22:21,750it was similar but they were off also

51100:22:19,950 --> 00:22:24,450enough difference is that it was clear

51200:22:21,750 --> 00:22:28,680that was kind of like Wendy but it was

51300:22:24,450 --> 00:22:30,330not Wendy mhm so so it's became this


51400:22:28,680 --> 00:22:32,789thing that you know was this like an

51500:22:30,329 --> 00:22:36,299audio doppelganger sort of thing that

51600:22:32,789 --> 00:22:38,309was at and interestingly enough we

51700:22:36,299 --> 00:22:40,289recently went back to that library sort

51800:22:38,309 --> 00:22:44,279of for another follow-up investigation

51900:22:40,289 --> 00:22:49,289and we went back and we were reviewing

52000:22:44,279 --> 00:22:51,269all the audio and at one point most

52100:22:49,289 --> 00:22:53,579people hear what sounds like me walking

52200:22:51,269 --> 00:22:55,889up to one of the microphones and

52300:22:53,579 --> 00:22:57,179whispering something which you're not

52400:22:55,890 --> 00:23:00,480supposed to do you don't whisper on

52500:22:57,180 --> 00:23:02,820investigations but everyone including

52600:23:00,480 --> 00:23:05,009myself when we heard that thought it was

52700:23:02,819 --> 00:23:07,139me whispering and then one of the


52800:23:05,009 --> 00:23:10,769investigators who was also reviewing it

52900:23:07,140 --> 00:23:13,110said that isn't you and we were like but

53000:23:10,769 --> 00:23:15,869no it sounds sort of like me except I'm

53100:23:13,109 --> 00:23:17,579whispering except I wasn't in the room

53200:23:15,869 --> 00:23:19,529or anywhere near that microphone when

53300:23:17,579 --> 00:23:21,990that was recorded you can look at the

53400:23:19,529 --> 00:23:24,029video in that room I'm not in that room

53500:23:21,990 --> 00:23:26,730I'm completely on the other side of the

53600:23:24,029 --> 00:23:29,720building and you can't hear me

53700:23:26,730 --> 00:23:31,740so again is there some sort of audio

53800:23:29,720 --> 00:23:33,360doppelganger in that building I mean I

53900:23:31,740 --> 00:23:35,220don't know but it's there are things

54000:23:33,359 --> 00:23:36,629that really kind of they're intriguing

54100:23:35,220 --> 00:23:41,130but they're also frustrating because

542


00:23:36,630 --> 00:23:44,100they don't make sense interesting you

54300:23:41,130 --> 00:23:47,940know that I have heard all kinds of

54400:23:44,099 --> 00:23:52,199crazy things with the EVPs it's not

54500:23:47,940 --> 00:23:53,610quite the most startling was about oh I

54600:23:52,200 --> 00:23:57,419don't know about eight or nine years ago

54700:23:53,609 --> 00:24:00,449I was working with a group alisone I was

54800:23:57,419 --> 00:24:02,850on my computer and they were in

54900:24:00,450 --> 00:24:05,279Southeast Wales so they had a group

55000:24:02,849 --> 00:24:08,519there and they were working on a case

55100:24:05,279 --> 00:24:14,029and I was observing for the most part

55200:24:08,519 --> 00:24:16,558and they were collecting EVPs and it was

55300:24:14,029 --> 00:24:21,210it was two couples that were part of the

55400:24:16,558 --> 00:24:24,058group and one of the couples were

55500:24:21,210 --> 00:24:27,509friends of the this other couple and

55600:24:24,058 --> 00:24:29,548


that basically visiting them from London

55700:24:27,509 --> 00:24:31,589but they happen to tag along because

55800:24:29,548 --> 00:24:33,869they were coming out there to do the

55900:24:31,589 --> 00:24:36,449investigation so you know I'm watching

56000:24:33,869 --> 00:24:38,548and you know we're discussing things as

56100:24:36,450 --> 00:24:40,048we as things were going along and they

56200:24:38,548 --> 00:24:46,740were collecting EVPs

56300:24:40,048 --> 00:24:49,289so it was wrapped up they they they went

56400:24:46,740 --> 00:24:52,558on back home the people from London went

56500:24:49,289 --> 00:24:56,250back to London and about an hour later I

56600:24:52,558 --> 00:24:58,678got I got a call and they said the

56700:24:56,250 --> 00:25:00,990person he was running investigation told

56800:24:58,679 --> 00:25:04,890me she said you've got to listen to the

56900:25:00,990 --> 00:25:08,009CBB we collected so she played it for me

57000:25:04,890 --> 00:25:10,350and it basically said that named the guy


57100:25:08,009 --> 00:25:13,970the other guy that was with them his

57200:25:10,349 --> 00:25:18,029name was Gary and that you'll be dead

57300:25:13,970 --> 00:25:19,650wow I'm thinking myself okay I said well

57400:25:18,029 --> 00:25:22,079you're not gonna tell Gary any about

57500:25:19,650 --> 00:25:26,880this she said no no I wouldn't dare do

57600:25:22,079 --> 00:25:29,849that well about a week later they got a

57700:25:26,880 --> 00:25:32,970phone call Gary was killed he was

57800:25:29,849 --> 00:25:37,109actually attacked by two muggers Ronnie

57900:25:32,970 --> 00:25:39,058killed him and that I tell you that just

58000:25:37,109 --> 00:25:40,379literally sent chills up and down my

58100:25:39,058 --> 00:25:42,538spine

58200:25:40,380 --> 00:25:45,240most ridiculous crazy thing i've ever

58300:25:42,538 --> 00:25:49,379encountered as far as you know that

58400:25:45,240 --> 00:25:51,509anything like that with an EVP we still


58500:25:49,380 --> 00:25:54,380can't figure out what this entity was

58600:25:51,509 --> 00:25:57,120that says dated that on that on that

58700:25:54,380 --> 00:26:00,360recording thought on it was chilling

58800:25:57,119 --> 00:26:02,508that's crazy yeah that's that's the

58900:26:00,359 --> 00:26:08,819craziest thing i've ever come across

59000:26:02,509 --> 00:26:12,028so um hmm you know i you do wonder in a

59100:26:08,819 --> 00:26:13,798situation like that you know first of

59200:26:12,028 --> 00:26:15,388all you get that you think you know

59300:26:13,798 --> 00:26:18,240that's you know they're just playing

59400:26:15,388 --> 00:26:21,418around with you but when it does happen

59500:26:18,240 --> 00:26:26,730it's almost like you know we've got some

59600:26:21,419 --> 00:26:28,679type of entity telling us the future so

59700:26:26,730 --> 00:26:30,419that's kind of weird yeah it's really

59800:26:28,679 --> 00:26:32,700weird because again it's not i mean

599


00:26:30,419 --> 00:26:34,528that's a very specific message it's not

60000:26:32,700 --> 00:26:37,558something that was vague enough that you

60100:26:34,528 --> 00:26:39,569could kind of force fit that and try to

60200:26:37,558 --> 00:26:42,538make it make sense i mean that's that's

60300:26:39,569 --> 00:26:44,519crazy yeah and i still got the recording

60400:26:42,538 --> 00:26:47,878at draw this year's it's really it's

60500:26:44,519 --> 00:26:49,528just strange and i don't i don't think

60600:26:47,878 --> 00:26:52,319i've ever encountered anything near that

60700:26:49,528 --> 00:26:56,159before but uh it is interesting some of

60800:26:52,319 --> 00:26:58,378the things you do here and you know a

60900:26:56,159 --> 00:27:01,919lot of it does coincide with activity

61000:26:58,378 --> 00:27:05,128and unity you know it is this a strange

61100:27:01,919 --> 00:27:07,470phenomena yeah it is and those are the

61200:27:05,128 --> 00:27:09,808those are things that for me personally

61300:27:07,470 --> 00:27:12,450


that keep me going because you know i I

61400:27:09,808 --> 00:27:15,240sort of like and don't like the idea

61500:27:12,450 --> 00:27:17,788that this field nothing really ever fits

61600:27:15,240 --> 00:27:19,620together nice you know it's always got a

61700:27:17,788 --> 00:27:21,419stuff that you kind of gotta turn it

61800:27:19,619 --> 00:27:23,219around and try to make it all fit in

61900:27:21,419 --> 00:27:24,809there and that's uh it's just one big

62000:27:23,220 --> 00:27:26,370puzzle and that's the the fun in the

62100:27:24,808 --> 00:27:29,730frustrating part of this field

62200:27:26,369 --> 00:27:32,788mm-hm so you're also into cryptids

62300:27:29,730 --> 00:27:34,829which is which is great and yes you're

62400:27:32,788 --> 00:27:38,669in a state that has a lot of cryptid

62500:27:34,829 --> 00:27:42,298activity can you kind of tell us a bit

62600:27:38,669 --> 00:27:45,720about that yeah it as I said growing up

62700:27:42,298 --> 00:27:47,730in New York I kind of up in the Catskill


62800:27:45,720 --> 00:27:49,350Mountains we had everything from Bigfoot

62900:27:47,730 --> 00:27:51,990reports and we were not really far from

63000:27:49,349 --> 00:27:53,939like Lake Champlain and so we had champ

63100:27:51,990 --> 00:27:54,179and you know there were all sorts of we

63200:27:53,940 --> 00:27:56,220were

63300:27:54,179 --> 00:27:58,830far from New Jersey in the Jersey Devil

63400:27:56,220 --> 00:28:02,089so I kind of grew up being interested in

63500:27:58,829 --> 00:28:06,928cryptids in general and when I moved to

63600:28:02,089 --> 00:28:08,339Ohio it was interesting because I asked

63700:28:06,929 --> 00:28:10,139people I was like what can you tell me

63800:28:08,339 --> 00:28:12,028about Ohio you know prior to my moving

63900:28:10,138 --> 00:28:14,459there and so many people said the

64000:28:12,028 --> 00:28:16,138following that it ended up being this

64100:28:14,460 --> 00:28:19,499part of the intro to my book weird Ohio


64200:28:16,138 --> 00:28:21,658but when I asked people well what can

64300:28:19,499 --> 00:28:23,368you tell me about Ohio they would all

64400:28:21,659 --> 00:28:25,528think and then they'd say well you know

64500:28:23,368 --> 00:28:29,730I think a lot of people drive through

64600:28:25,528 --> 00:28:31,829Ohio and they kind of not really a

64700:28:29,730 --> 00:28:34,589glowing review of the state but it sort

64800:28:31,829 --> 00:28:37,019of made me think that not a lot happens

64900:28:34,589 --> 00:28:39,118in Ohio and I'm proud to say that they

65000:28:37,019 --> 00:28:42,149were wrong that Ohio really is a weird

65100:28:39,118 --> 00:28:46,730state and they're also proud to be weird

65200:28:42,148 --> 00:28:49,979and so where it comes to cryptids in

65300:28:46,730 --> 00:28:51,808general Ohio is so weird that they have

65400:28:49,980 --> 00:28:55,169to have their own version of everything

65500:28:51,808 --> 00:28:57,480so like with the Loch Ness monster there

656


00:28:55,169 --> 00:28:59,850is supposedly a version of that up in

65700:28:57,480 --> 00:29:02,849Lake Erie South Bay Bessie they refer to

65800:28:59,849 --> 00:29:05,730it as you know where there are a lot of

65900:29:02,849 --> 00:29:08,878Bigfoot sightings here so much so that

66000:29:05,730 --> 00:29:10,649there is some believe a sort of cousin

66100:29:08,878 --> 00:29:14,209to bigfoot if you will that they call

66200:29:10,648 --> 00:29:16,618the Ohio grassman so there are a lot of

66300:29:14,210 --> 00:29:18,778similarities with these sort of major

66400:29:16,618 --> 00:29:21,209cryptids but then when I just really

66500:29:18,778 --> 00:29:21,990love about Ohio is they always take it a

66600:29:21,210 --> 00:29:24,210step further

66700:29:21,990 --> 00:29:26,849and they come up with their own really

66800:29:24,210 --> 00:29:28,980sort of unique cryptids and I think one

66900:29:26,849 --> 00:29:33,959of my all-time favorite ones is the

67000:29:28,980 --> 00:29:36,118


Loveland frog which yeah it's and it's

67100:29:33,960 --> 00:29:39,990one of those things that when you first

67200:29:36,118 --> 00:29:43,888hear the story you know you're like no

67300:29:39,990 --> 00:29:48,419way but the the basic story is that in

67400:29:43,888 --> 00:29:51,808the early 1970s in a in March roughly

67500:29:48,419 --> 00:29:54,509about two weeks apart two different men

67600:29:51,808 --> 00:29:56,308that we're driving along this road right

67700:29:54,509 --> 00:29:59,278alongside the Little Miami River which

67800:29:56,308 --> 00:30:02,158is runs great distance but they were

67900:29:59,278 --> 00:30:04,558right outside of Loveland Ohio and they

68000:30:02,159 --> 00:30:06,600claimed that they encountered now the

68100:30:04,558 --> 00:30:08,500size is varied over the years but they

68200:30:06,599 --> 00:30:11,599basically saw this

68300:30:08,500 --> 00:30:15,049creature that looked somewhat human but

68400:30:11,599 --> 00:30:15,799also had like a head and you know of a


68500:30:15,049 --> 00:30:20,629frog

68600:30:15,799 --> 00:30:23,149so this frog man type thing and when you

68700:30:20,630 --> 00:30:26,030hear that part of the story you're like

68800:30:23,150 --> 00:30:28,490that's ridiculous come on you know but

68900:30:26,029 --> 00:30:30,920the part that is intriguing to me about

69000:30:28,490 --> 00:30:33,980it is both of those gentlemen were

69100:30:30,920 --> 00:30:35,420police officers right and so when you

69200:30:33,980 --> 00:30:37,519hear that all of a sudden you're

69300:30:35,420 --> 00:30:40,160thinking okay well that ends adds a

69400:30:37,519 --> 00:30:43,279little bit of credibility to it as well

69500:30:40,160 --> 00:30:44,540as the fact that one of them shot at it

69600:30:43,279 --> 00:30:47,529mm-hmm

69700:30:44,539 --> 00:30:50,299and in the original version of the story

69800:30:47,529 --> 00:30:51,799he can't he was the second one to see it


69900:30:50,299 --> 00:30:54,950and he came around the corner in the

70000:30:51,799 --> 00:30:57,950middle of the night and his patrol cars

70100:30:54,950 --> 00:30:59,690lights saw this dark object laying in

70200:30:57,950 --> 00:31:01,819the road and he thought initially that

70300:30:59,690 --> 00:31:02,630someone had hit like a dog or a deer or

70400:31:01,819 --> 00:31:05,869something like that

70500:31:02,630 --> 00:31:08,600and so he got out of the car to drag it

70600:31:05,869 --> 00:31:11,299off of the route of the road and this

70700:31:08,599 --> 00:31:13,009thing stood up so I think I would have

70800:31:11,299 --> 00:31:15,680shot at it soon to be honest with you

70900:31:13,009 --> 00:31:18,470but and it went jumped over the

71000:31:15,680 --> 00:31:22,340guardrail and it disappeared now that

71100:31:18,470 --> 00:31:25,150story has pun intended mutated over the

71200:31:22,339 --> 00:31:27,559years this size of the the frog has

713


00:31:25,150 --> 00:31:31,040grown to where it was almost six foot

71400:31:27,559 --> 00:31:33,409tall the one police officer the first

71500:31:31,039 --> 00:31:36,740one who saw it never changed his story

71600:31:33,410 --> 00:31:38,540the second one continually changes his

71700:31:36,740 --> 00:31:41,299story I think the last version I think

71800:31:38,539 --> 00:31:45,409was maybe two or three years ago he

71900:31:41,299 --> 00:31:47,569claimed that it was a tailless iguana I

72000:31:45,410 --> 00:31:49,370believe so

72100:31:47,569 --> 00:31:52,429he's kind of all over the place but to

72200:31:49,369 --> 00:31:55,479me it's just intriguing that whatever it

72300:31:52,430 --> 00:31:58,759was I think they did see something that

72400:31:55,480 --> 00:32:01,009initially was unexplained was this sort

72500:31:58,759 --> 00:32:02,599of cryptid like thing because if you're

72600:32:01,009 --> 00:32:05,119a police officer the last thing you're

72700:32:02,599 --> 00:32:07,609


going to do is report seeing a frog

72800:32:05,119 --> 00:32:11,149creature that's running along side of

72900:32:07,609 --> 00:32:13,250the road and jumping over guardrails but

73000:32:11,150 --> 00:32:16,720when I started digging into that there

73100:32:13,250 --> 00:32:21,528are some people that will claim that the

73200:32:16,720 --> 00:32:25,048first sightings of this Loveland frog

73300:32:21,528 --> 00:32:27,479happened in the 1950s and there were

73400:32:25,048 --> 00:32:30,118reports there but when I started digging

73500:32:27,479 --> 00:32:32,038into those reports it's not the same

73600:32:30,118 --> 00:32:34,828creature despite the fact that people

73700:32:32,038 --> 00:32:37,229try to make it the same one that one to

73800:32:34,828 --> 00:32:39,298me gets even more fascinating and starts

73900:32:37,229 --> 00:32:43,078putting me down this sort of rabbit hole

74000:32:39,298 --> 00:32:45,509of cryptids because those creatures and

74100:32:43,078 --> 00:32:47,808again they were seen in Loveland they


74200:32:45,509 --> 00:32:50,368were initially referred to as the trolls

74300:32:47,808 --> 00:32:52,678because a gentleman driving home at

74400:32:50,368 --> 00:32:54,588night so a three or four of them that

74500:32:52,679 --> 00:32:57,739were standing underneath a bridge

74600:32:54,588 --> 00:33:00,598there's a subsequent Quint report where

74700:32:57,739 --> 00:33:02,700those creatures responded again in a

74800:33:00,598 --> 00:33:06,358small group and when the person got out

74900:33:02,700 --> 00:33:08,639to sort of look at them this one frog

75000:33:06,358 --> 00:33:11,218thing or whatever you'd like to call it

75100:33:08,638 --> 00:33:14,939held up this sort of little beam that

75200:33:11,219 --> 00:33:17,070started emitting sparks from it which

75300:33:14,940 --> 00:33:19,349some people now think maybe that was

75400:33:17,069 --> 00:33:23,128actually you know more UFO related or

75500:33:19,348 --> 00:33:24,658something like that so I've always been


75600:33:23,128 --> 00:33:26,908intrigued with the whole Loveland frog

75700:33:24,659 --> 00:33:29,579or the Loveland whatever it is so what

75800:33:26,909 --> 00:33:31,440I'd like to say because you start

75900:33:29,578 --> 00:33:35,009looking at the initial reports of that

76000:33:31,440 --> 00:33:37,889from the 50s and they do bear more less

76100:33:35,009 --> 00:33:40,139of a similarity to a frog and more to

76200:33:37,888 --> 00:33:41,908the Hopkinsville goblins they start

76300:33:40,138 --> 00:33:44,458looking like that so then you start

76400:33:41,909 --> 00:33:46,559thinking okay maybe this is a whole

76500:33:44,459 --> 00:33:49,619different thing altogether that we're

76600:33:46,558 --> 00:33:51,598looking at I had to I had to dig up some

76700:33:49,618 --> 00:33:54,808of the reports I've gotten from below

76800:33:51,598 --> 00:33:57,499going over the years I am there there

76900:33:54,808 --> 00:34:01,098was one in particular woman who lived in

770


00:33:57,499 --> 00:34:04,288Loveland right along the Little Miami

77100:34:01,098 --> 00:34:06,749where she spotted something that she

77200:34:04,288 --> 00:34:07,769really couldn't explain it sounds like

77300:34:06,749 --> 00:34:10,980there was a Bigfoot

77400:34:07,769 --> 00:34:12,719be honest with you now yeah yeah there

77500:34:10,980 --> 00:34:15,480are reports of there are big fort

77600:34:12,719 --> 00:34:17,969reporting sightings also in that area as

77700:34:15,480 --> 00:34:22,108well or in and around Loveland too so

77800:34:17,969 --> 00:34:25,768yeah and I've also had flying humanoid

77900:34:22,108 --> 00:34:28,348sightings as well in that area so it

78000:34:25,768 --> 00:34:31,528seems to be a location has a lot of

78100:34:28,349 --> 00:34:34,320strange activity a lot of strange beings

78200:34:31,528 --> 00:34:39,059I've also received

78300:34:34,320 --> 00:34:41,010these reports of these large frogs in

78400:34:39,059 --> 00:34:44,250


the rivers I mean that river itself

78500:34:41,010 --> 00:34:46,850around the river yet yeah they arrange

78600:34:44,250 --> 00:34:49,139things yeah it's a and and it's also

78700:34:46,849 --> 00:34:53,368probably most well known for the

78800:34:49,139 --> 00:34:56,639Loveland castle which is a castle built

78900:34:53,369 --> 00:34:59,430by one man by hand and is using the

79000:34:56,639 --> 00:35:03,108great beside to castle really yeah Wow

79100:34:59,429 --> 00:35:04,889yeah yeah those are we I've done

79200:35:03,108 --> 00:35:07,829investigations because the castle is

79300:35:04,889 --> 00:35:10,259supposed to be haunted know as all good

79400:35:07,829 --> 00:35:11,880castles should be and but it's it's very

79500:35:10,260 --> 00:35:13,950interesting because you can actually go

79600:35:11,880 --> 00:35:18,750up into the top heat it's basically a

79700:35:13,949 --> 00:35:21,269two scale version of a European castle

79800:35:18,750 --> 00:35:23,608so you can go up into like the turret


79900:35:21,269 --> 00:35:26,329and look out over the Little Miami and

80000:35:23,608 --> 00:35:28,559if you go down there in the springtime

80100:35:26,329 --> 00:35:30,119you're gonna convince that the Loveland

80200:35:28,559 --> 00:35:32,820frog is out there because you're gonna

80300:35:30,119 --> 00:35:35,220hear some of the largest bullfrogs I

80400:35:32,820 --> 00:35:37,500think it's a man that are out there and

80500:35:35,219 --> 00:35:40,618you know so again that was something

80600:35:37,500 --> 00:35:46,230that when because the castle was there

80700:35:40,619 --> 00:35:48,570before the reports of the of the 70s

80800:35:46,230 --> 00:35:51,539reports of Louisville and frog so you

80900:35:48,570 --> 00:35:53,039can't help but think okay what did they

81000:35:51,539 --> 00:35:55,889see and did the whole idea of it being

81100:35:53,039 --> 00:35:58,650part frog come from the idea that there

81200:35:55,889 --> 00:36:00,150is a whole bunch of big frogs that are


81300:35:58,650 --> 00:36:03,269actually in the Little Miami River

81400:36:00,150 --> 00:36:04,800mm-hmm yeah I don't know I mean like I

81500:36:03,269 --> 00:36:08,369said I received a lot of different

81600:36:04,800 --> 00:36:11,880things from that area before and I don't

81700:36:08,369 --> 00:36:14,820know you get some anything sometimes you

81800:36:11,880 --> 00:36:17,608just kind of just gotta wonder what

81900:36:14,820 --> 00:36:22,369people are actually seeing exactly you

82000:36:17,608 --> 00:36:25,049know you know I I have known of

82100:36:22,369 --> 00:36:29,630locations where people would go into and

82200:36:25,050 --> 00:36:31,980they would almost to the point start

82300:36:29,630 --> 00:36:36,690hallucinating different types of

82400:36:31,980 --> 00:36:39,690creatures for whatever reason yeah and

82500:36:36,690 --> 00:36:42,450if any of your listeners have never been

82600:36:39,690 --> 00:36:43,650to Loveland Ohio I I always recommend

827


00:36:42,449 --> 00:36:45,899that they go down there and just kind of

82800:36:43,650 --> 00:36:47,440walk around because you start to get the

82900:36:45,900 --> 00:36:49,930feeling that

83000:36:47,440 --> 00:36:51,759it's kind of a spooky little area and

83100:36:49,929 --> 00:36:54,338you get out there late at night you can

83200:36:51,759 --> 00:36:56,019certainly say that your your eyes might

83300:36:54,338 --> 00:36:58,150be playing tricks on you and if you go

83400:36:56,018 --> 00:36:59,768in there and in the back of your mind

83500:36:58,150 --> 00:37:01,450that there's some sort of creatures

83600:36:59,768 --> 00:37:03,459lurking out there in the woods and

83700:37:01,449 --> 00:37:06,639there's this old haunted castle out

83800:37:03,460 --> 00:37:09,130there I mean it doesn't take too much I

83900:37:06,639 --> 00:37:14,528think to get the mind of racing I guess

84000:37:09,130 --> 00:37:16,240you should say yeah you know I've heard

84100:37:14,528 --> 00:37:18,670


a lot of things out of studio high over

84200:37:16,239 --> 00:37:21,459the years uh the dog man yup right

84300:37:18,670 --> 00:37:23,769canines yes of course the Minerva

84400:37:21,460 --> 00:37:27,849monster a lot of other things too that

84500:37:23,768 --> 00:37:30,098the Charles Charles mill monster and

84600:37:27,849 --> 00:37:33,338chocolate monster or whatever that was

84700:37:30,099 --> 00:37:36,609and oh it is it it's kind of it they've

84800:37:33,338 --> 00:37:38,710got their share of cryptid activity they

84900:37:36,608 --> 00:37:41,170do they've even got werewolf sightings

85000:37:38,710 --> 00:37:43,210that from up in Defiance Ohio so you're

85100:37:41,170 --> 00:37:47,048exactly right and it's something that I

85200:37:43,210 --> 00:37:48,429really feel like a weirdo like me found

85300:37:47,048 --> 00:37:50,619his second home when I moved here

85400:37:48,429 --> 00:37:52,268because as I said they were telling me

85500:37:50,619 --> 00:37:54,700there's nothing really weird there you


85600:37:52,268 --> 00:37:58,568know and it's nothing but cornfields but

85700:37:54,699 --> 00:38:02,439yeah Ohio they have got a lot of weird

85800:37:58,568 --> 00:38:04,719stuff here and something that I've been

85900:38:02,440 --> 00:38:07,630involved with several of the state books

86000:38:04,719 --> 00:38:10,088in the the weird us series it's

86100:38:07,630 --> 00:38:13,750fascinating to me because even as you go

86200:38:10,088 --> 00:38:15,308from state to state how the states treat

86300:38:13,750 --> 00:38:16,809their ghost stories and their urban

86400:38:15,309 --> 00:38:19,150legends and their folklore and their

86500:38:16,809 --> 00:38:20,650cryptids it varies even though you're

86600:38:19,150 --> 00:38:24,608literally just going from one state to

86700:38:20,650 --> 00:38:28,509the other and Ohio is sort of really

86800:38:24,608 --> 00:38:31,239fascinating because they they like their

86900:38:28,509 --> 00:38:33,309weird stories and they also like sharing


87000:38:31,239 --> 00:38:35,318the weird stories so when I when I was

87100:38:33,309 --> 00:38:37,028doing weird Indiana and it was the same

87200:38:35,318 --> 00:38:40,690sort of thing I was trying to collect

87300:38:37,028 --> 00:38:43,528their most well-known most beloved ghost

87400:38:40,690 --> 00:38:46,869stories urban legends weird things and

87500:38:43,528 --> 00:38:50,768in Indiana even though you're just you

87600:38:46,869 --> 00:38:52,869know a couple hours away they were kept

87700:38:50,768 --> 00:38:54,548things very close to the vest you know

87800:38:52,869 --> 00:38:57,160they didn't really they weren't very

87900:38:54,548 --> 00:38:58,650open about sharing the stories now when

88000:38:57,159 --> 00:39:02,519they did they

88100:38:58,650 --> 00:39:04,619out there but it was that whole they're

88200:39:02,519 --> 00:39:07,380not they were not as open as they are

88300:39:04,619 --> 00:39:10,259here in Ohio which is something I really

884


00:39:07,380 --> 00:39:11,430like because it's you go out somewhere

88500:39:10,260 --> 00:39:12,750and somebody's like what are you doing

88600:39:11,429 --> 00:39:14,699I'm like well I'm looking up this

88700:39:12,750 --> 00:39:16,769somebody said there was a weird sighting

88800:39:14,699 --> 00:39:18,119of a Bigfoot here and they're like well

88900:39:16,769 --> 00:39:19,500if you think that's weird

89000:39:18,119 --> 00:39:21,869let me - you know and then they're gonna

89100:39:19,500 --> 00:39:23,849tell you a couple of even stranger

89200:39:21,869 --> 00:39:25,589stories about something that they either

89300:39:23,849 --> 00:39:28,409encountered or somebody that they knew

89400:39:25,590 --> 00:39:31,320encountered so it's a it's a great thing

89500:39:28,409 --> 00:39:33,839about being here weird Ohio well I tell

89600:39:31,320 --> 00:39:37,380you and there are two towns in Ohio that

89700:39:33,840 --> 00:39:42,059seem that I have seen to have gotten

89800:39:37,380 --> 00:39:44,579


more reports from and and I'm talking on

89900:39:42,059 --> 00:39:46,349things and the whole gamut of things and

90000:39:44,579 --> 00:39:50,670that would be defined so like you

90100:39:46,349 --> 00:39:52,440mentioned yes Westerville yeah yeah and

90200:39:50,670 --> 00:39:55,740in Westerville I'm not too far from

90300:39:52,440 --> 00:39:58,019Westerville and there it's interesting

90400:39:55,739 --> 00:39:59,909because when I start digging into like a

90500:39:58,019 --> 00:40:02,849lot of their older folklore and things

90600:39:59,909 --> 00:40:06,119like that they were a Westerville was

90700:40:02,849 --> 00:40:08,219dry for a very very long time after

90800:40:06,119 --> 00:40:10,619everybody else was so part of me wonders

90900:40:08,219 --> 00:40:12,719if they didn't actually didn't have much

91000:40:10,619 --> 00:40:14,880better things since ooze so they started

91100:40:12,719 --> 00:40:17,929telling these stories but but no

91200:40:14,880 --> 00:40:19,920Westerville is great they have a lot of


91300:40:17,929 --> 00:40:22,559traditional ghost stories that are in

91400:40:19,920 --> 00:40:25,230there as well as a lot of when you sort

91500:40:22,559 --> 00:40:26,639of get out near the to the far end of

91600:40:25,230 --> 00:40:28,650reservoir and you start push of the

91700:40:26,639 --> 00:40:30,559reservoir Hoover reservoir so you're

91800:40:28,650 --> 00:40:33,630kind of pushing just outside of

91900:40:30,559 --> 00:40:36,210Westerville proper you start picking up

92000:40:33,630 --> 00:40:38,039a lot of like these sort of urban legend

92100:40:36,210 --> 00:40:41,429II stories - so yeah we've gotten a lot

92200:40:38,039 --> 00:40:43,139of things out of Westar panel I have in

92300:40:41,429 --> 00:40:46,409in the town itself

92400:40:43,139 --> 00:40:48,750I guess it's downtown but they have a

92500:40:46,409 --> 00:40:50,699lot of shops and such down there yep and

92600:40:48,750 --> 00:40:52,860it seems like every shop denier he's got


92700:40:50,699 --> 00:40:55,379a ghost I you know I have gotten so many

92800:40:52,860 --> 00:40:58,950people sending me stuff from Westerville

92900:40:55,380 --> 00:41:01,110over the years and you know tell me

93000:40:58,949 --> 00:41:02,759about the resident ghost and the

93100:41:01,110 --> 00:41:04,829hauntings and things people have

93200:41:02,760 --> 00:41:07,590experienced when they've gone into these

93300:41:04,829 --> 00:41:09,929shops it is it's very strange

93400:41:07,590 --> 00:41:11,250yeah it's that whole main strip I know

93500:41:09,929 --> 00:41:11,639exactly what you're talking about when

93600:41:11,250 --> 00:41:13,739you walk

93700:41:11,639 --> 00:41:16,079through there and it seems on both sides

93800:41:13,739 --> 00:41:17,669of the roads they have and I think a lot

93900:41:16,079 --> 00:41:20,429of it has to do with that it's it's sort

94000:41:17,670 --> 00:41:21,690of a the older area of Westerville in

941


00:41:20,429 --> 00:41:23,699terms of like the shopping and things

94200:41:21,690 --> 00:41:25,289like that that they've kind of acquired

94300:41:23,699 --> 00:41:27,960more than their fair share of ghosts

94400:41:25,289 --> 00:41:30,480over the years mm-hmm so you also

94500:41:27,960 --> 00:41:33,570mentioned here about UFOs and of course

94600:41:30,480 --> 00:41:35,039when you talk UFOs and aliens you got to

94700:41:33,570 --> 00:41:36,480talk about wright-patterson Air Force

94800:41:35,039 --> 00:41:39,000Base and Dayton

94900:41:36,480 --> 00:41:42,420yes there's you know I I've got a

95000:41:39,000 --> 00:41:43,860connection with that place through my

95100:41:42,420 --> 00:41:45,630father because he was in the Air Force

95200:41:43,860 --> 00:41:47,309and in fact he was at the five of a

95300:41:45,630 --> 00:41:50,940ninth Wow

95400:41:47,309 --> 00:41:52,980during the Korean War so he he was he

95500:41:50,940 --> 00:41:56,010


was with a couple of guys that were at

95600:41:52,980 --> 00:41:58,139Roswell and over the years at

95700:41:56,010 --> 00:42:00,270wright-patterson Air Force Base they

95800:41:58,139 --> 00:42:03,389used to have the reunion and I used to

95900:42:00,269 --> 00:42:06,329tag along sometimes and I was told all

96000:42:03,389 --> 00:42:10,889kinds of things the ears Wow

96100:42:06,329 --> 00:42:13,139yeah so you know yeah it's there was a

96200:42:10,889 --> 00:42:15,569lot of interesting things I really don't

96300:42:13,139 --> 00:42:18,869know how much it was true but it was

96400:42:15,570 --> 00:42:21,809interesting to listen to yeah and you're

96500:42:18,869 --> 00:42:25,139exactly right and I when again when I

96600:42:21,809 --> 00:42:28,380was younger in growing up in New York

96700:42:25,139 --> 00:42:30,299I actually went looking for they had all

96800:42:28,380 --> 00:42:32,610around the the Pine Bush area and there

96900:42:30,300 --> 00:42:35,519were a lot of UFO sightings that took


97000:42:32,610 --> 00:42:36,930place in that area so much so that a

97100:42:35,519 --> 00:42:39,329book was written about it called Knights

97200:42:36,929 --> 00:42:42,089each which was written by J Allen Hynek

97300:42:39,329 --> 00:42:44,429which at the time I just thought that he

97400:42:42,090 --> 00:42:46,260wrote that book but then you know come

97500:42:44,429 --> 00:42:50,579to find out years later that not only

97600:42:46,260 --> 00:42:53,130was you know he a teacher at OSU but he

97700:42:50,579 --> 00:42:55,230also was part of Project Blue Book out

97800:42:53,130 --> 00:42:57,390of rye Pat you know and now he's even

97900:42:55,230 --> 00:43:00,000you know the focus of the Project Blue

98000:42:57,389 --> 00:43:02,219Book thing on the History Channel but it

98100:43:00,000 --> 00:43:04,320was again weird how you sort of cut

98200:43:02,219 --> 00:43:05,849these people that were such a major part

98300:43:04,320 --> 00:43:08,340of my life when I was growing up they


98400:43:05,849 --> 00:43:10,710end up being in Ohio just like I am but

98500:43:08,340 --> 00:43:14,130yeah right Pat it is fascinating because

98600:43:10,710 --> 00:43:17,369it seems that if you look at any famous

98700:43:14,130 --> 00:43:19,410or infamous UFO case where something

98800:43:17,369 --> 00:43:21,809allegedly crash-land so like you

98900:43:19,409 --> 00:43:25,170mentioned Roswell or or you know

99000:43:21,809 --> 00:43:25,590Kecksburg and somewhere along the line

99100:43:25,170 --> 00:43:27,659when you

99200:43:25,590 --> 00:43:29,940start looking into those cases you're

99300:43:27,659 --> 00:43:32,759gonna come across the fact that if

99400:43:29,940 --> 00:43:35,789something did crash there it ended up at

99500:43:32,760 --> 00:43:37,710wright-patt and you know it makes sense

99600:43:35,789 --> 00:43:39,690and it is kind of a strange coincidence

99700:43:37,710 --> 00:43:42,470that also you know Project Blue Book and

998


00:43:39,690 --> 00:43:44,400all of those were actually coming out of

99900:43:42,469 --> 00:43:46,799right path that's where there was

100000:43:44,400 --> 00:43:48,900projects where headquarters so it's it

100100:43:46,800 --> 00:43:50,940does seem that it would make sense that

100200:43:48,900 --> 00:43:54,119it would be sort of the the headquarters

100300:43:50,940 --> 00:43:55,829of all things alien if you will so so

100400:43:54,119 --> 00:43:57,960what do you think the status is now

100500:43:55,829 --> 00:44:03,750drape Patterson do you believe that they

100600:43:57,960 --> 00:44:06,000they are still a major point for this

100700:44:03,750 --> 00:44:09,300type of debris or information or you

100800:44:06,000 --> 00:44:15,050think it's kind of spread out I don't

100900:44:09,300 --> 00:44:18,210really know because it is they are very

101000:44:15,050 --> 00:44:20,220forthcoming with the idea that they do

101100:44:18,210 --> 00:44:23,579have a division that is still at

101200:44:20,219 --> 00:44:25,949


wright-patt that works on reverse

101300:44:23,579 --> 00:44:28,440engineering quote-unquote alien

101400:44:25,949 --> 00:44:30,480technology in that if something falls

101500:44:28,440 --> 00:44:34,110from the sky and they don't know what it

101600:44:30,480 --> 00:44:36,510is it gets sent to write Pat to see if

101700:44:34,110 --> 00:44:38,730one they can figure out what it is where

101800:44:36,510 --> 00:44:41,550it came from and then could it be

101900:44:38,730 --> 00:44:44,579reverse engineered to see how it would

102000:44:41,550 --> 00:44:48,240work so that is still legitimate and

102100:44:44,579 --> 00:44:50,219that from a skeptics point of view you

102200:44:48,239 --> 00:44:53,459could say that's what gave rise to the

102300:44:50,219 --> 00:44:56,279idea that there are aliens there because

102400:44:53,460 --> 00:44:58,050the quote-unquote alien technology was

102500:44:56,280 --> 00:45:00,360just stuff that fell out of the sky at

102600:44:58,050 --> 00:45:03,269Roswell it wasn't from outer space it


102700:45:00,360 --> 00:45:05,220was a strange weather balloon you know

102800:45:03,269 --> 00:45:06,900if you believe you the skeptic and you

102900:45:05,219 --> 00:45:10,529believe that it was not alien from

103000:45:06,900 --> 00:45:12,300outside of this planet that it still

103100:45:10,530 --> 00:45:14,820went to right paths so they could figure

103200:45:12,300 --> 00:45:17,220out look did this come from Germany the

103300:45:14,820 --> 00:45:20,340way to where is this originating from it

103400:45:17,219 --> 00:45:22,199is alien to us so that makes sense and

103500:45:20,340 --> 00:45:25,710there is still a division that does that

103600:45:22,199 --> 00:45:28,319but the flipside of that is if something

103700:45:25,710 --> 00:45:30,119from another planet did fall from the

103800:45:28,320 --> 00:45:33,390sky it would still go to right Pat

103900:45:30,119 --> 00:45:34,829because it is still alien so I'm kind of

104000:45:33,389 --> 00:45:37,199on the fence because there's I've


104100:45:34,829 --> 00:45:39,469uncovered enough documents over the

104200:45:37,199 --> 00:45:42,588years that

104300:45:39,469 --> 00:45:44,568stuff did get sent there and since that

104400:45:42,588 --> 00:45:47,420division or group or whatever you'd like

104500:45:44,568 --> 00:45:49,730to call it is still there I think it

104600:45:47,420 --> 00:45:52,159would make sense that there would stuff

104700:45:49,730 --> 00:45:54,829would still get sent there if the intent

104800:45:52,159 --> 00:45:57,618is to try to identify where it came from

104900:45:54,829 --> 00:46:02,180and reverse-engineer it but to that end

105000:45:57,619 --> 00:46:04,039I if there was stuff from Roswell there

105100:46:02,179 --> 00:46:06,199or for Kecksburg I think so much time

105200:46:04,039 --> 00:46:08,869has passed that it is it's not there

105300:46:06,199 --> 00:46:11,480anymore I think it's been disposed of or

105400:46:08,869 --> 00:46:13,760moved someplace else and I'm sure with

1055


00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:16,010the way that technology is actually you

105600:46:13,760 --> 00:46:18,530know just exploded over the years that

105700:46:16,010 --> 00:46:21,140there are probably now multiple groups

105800:46:18,530 --> 00:46:23,180in multiple locations around the United

105900:46:21,139 --> 00:46:25,159States if not the world that would

106000:46:23,179 --> 00:46:27,858quote-unquote specialize in sort of this

106100:46:25,159 --> 00:46:30,139reverse engineering so I don't sure yes

106200:46:27,858 --> 00:46:33,139I don't think it's sort of the the mecca

106300:46:30,139 --> 00:46:35,538or the headquarters of all things alien

106400:46:33,139 --> 00:46:36,980that it once was but it would not

106500:46:35,539 --> 00:46:38,809surprise me if there's still some things

106600:46:36,980 --> 00:46:40,490coming in and out of there yeah I'm

106700:46:38,809 --> 00:46:42,200quite sure it's used for that and in

106800:46:40,489 --> 00:46:46,129fact you're right I believe some of the

106900:46:42,199 --> 00:46:49,269


initial events may have been centered at

107000:46:46,130 --> 00:46:52,818wright-patterson like you said Kecksburg

107100:46:49,269 --> 00:46:55,880stand Gordon has talked to me we talk a

107200:46:52,818 --> 00:47:00,259lot and he believes that it was probably

107300:46:55,880 --> 00:47:02,119taken there at first I don't know I mean

107400:47:00,260 --> 00:47:05,240it could have been anywhere cuz really

107500:47:02,119 --> 00:47:09,200nobody really knows of course all the

107600:47:05,239 --> 00:47:12,078speculation that Roswell ended up going

107700:47:09,199 --> 00:47:13,879somewhere in Texas and the you know what

107800:47:12,079 --> 00:47:16,369was recovered there eventually made its

107900:47:13,880 --> 00:47:18,170way to wright-patterson and that may be

108000:47:16,369 --> 00:47:19,940true you know I've heard a lot of people

108100:47:18,170 --> 00:47:22,099speculate that over the years

108200:47:19,940 --> 00:47:25,818I personally believe it went to some

108300:47:22,099 --> 00:47:28,190other locations just from what people


108400:47:25,818 --> 00:47:30,798have told me over the years and things I

108500:47:28,190 --> 00:47:32,179have found but like I said I think

108600:47:30,798 --> 00:47:33,858things are more disseminated now

108700:47:32,179 --> 00:47:37,368compared to what they used to be and

108800:47:33,858 --> 00:47:41,269like you said also that it a lot of its

108900:47:37,369 --> 00:47:43,039privatized now yes exactly but I think

109000:47:41,269 --> 00:47:45,108back at the time when

109100:47:43,039 --> 00:47:47,630Roswell and even Kecksburg you know it

109200:47:45,108 --> 00:47:49,278was not they didn't have as many

109300:47:47,630 --> 00:47:50,838different divisions that could tackle

109400:47:49,278 --> 00:47:51,800something like that so it was kind of

109500:47:50,838 --> 00:47:54,230like

109600:47:51,800 --> 00:47:55,880they it went to right path sort of

109700:47:54,230 --> 00:47:57,050almost like a starting point until it


109800:47:55,880 --> 00:47:59,300got to the point where they were like

109900:47:57,050 --> 00:48:01,100well no we can kind of refer this out if

110000:47:59,300 --> 00:48:04,610you will and sing it out to this

110100:48:01,099 --> 00:48:07,309division or this division but yeah it's

110200:48:04,610 --> 00:48:10,460it's fascinating because you can look at

110300:48:07,309 --> 00:48:12,139it and on the surface you could say yeah

110400:48:10,460 --> 00:48:13,610they were just looking at stuff that

110500:48:12,139 --> 00:48:15,769fell out of the sky they were just

110600:48:13,610 --> 00:48:17,510making sure that other countries weren't

110700:48:15,769 --> 00:48:21,259spying on us or doing things that they

110800:48:17,510 --> 00:48:23,150shouldn't be doing but you know it also

110900:48:21,260 --> 00:48:25,460seemed the flip side of that is that if

111000:48:23,150 --> 00:48:27,950it was from another planet it still

111100:48:25,460 --> 00:48:30,230would get looked at at wright-patt

1112


00:48:27,949 --> 00:48:32,599during that time period specifically

111300:48:30,230 --> 00:48:33,860because they had you know project

111400:48:32,599 --> 00:48:36,110Bluebook and even before that your

111500:48:33,860 --> 00:48:37,730project sign and grudge you know those

111600:48:36,110 --> 00:48:39,710that were taking place so it makes sense

111700:48:37,730 --> 00:48:42,590that it would have at least had some

111800:48:39,710 --> 00:48:44,869stopping point at wright-patt at one

111900:48:42,590 --> 00:48:47,600point yeah I think yeah I think the

112000:48:44,869 --> 00:48:49,429initial worry was the Red Scare and

112100:48:47,599 --> 00:48:52,549basically that the Russians were doing a

112200:48:49,429 --> 00:48:55,219lot of this and you know III think they

112300:48:52,550 --> 00:48:57,350learned as time went on especially with

112400:48:55,219 --> 00:49:01,849high nakai that you know it makes a bit

112500:48:57,349 --> 00:49:03,559something beyond the Russians and some

112600:49:01,849 --> 00:49:05,679


of the technology they were seeing of

112700:49:03,559 --> 00:49:10,360course they had this project Bluebook

112800:49:05,679 --> 00:49:14,690series on TV this past year and you know

112900:49:10,360 --> 00:49:17,510that was dramatis eyes you know a lot

113000:49:14,690 --> 00:49:21,769yeah it did give you an idea of what

113100:49:17,510 --> 00:49:24,320actually happened but you know the

113200:49:21,769 --> 00:49:27,679Project Blue Book you know people think

113300:49:24,320 --> 00:49:31,100it was probably some type of false flag

113400:49:27,679 --> 00:49:34,690program I don't know you know I really

113500:49:31,099 --> 00:49:36,789don't know what the deal was with that

113600:49:34,690 --> 00:49:38,869you know it's kind of interesting

113700:49:36,789 --> 00:49:42,349nowadays that were kind of being

113800:49:38,869 --> 00:49:44,839spoon-fed this information about UFO

113900:49:42,349 --> 00:49:47,389sightings that the military have

114000:49:44,840 --> 00:49:49,789experienced and starting to come out you


114100:49:47,389 --> 00:49:52,069know I don't really know how to or what

114200:49:49,789 --> 00:49:54,259to think about that you know I got asked

114300:49:52,070 --> 00:49:57,070about that a lot but you know I really

114400:49:54,260 --> 00:50:00,740am not sure why you're seeing that now

114500:49:57,070 --> 00:50:02,960so I don't know you know what's your

114600:50:00,739 --> 00:50:04,699thought on that it's I'm kind of with

114700:50:02,960 --> 00:50:05,769you it's very weird that it seems that

114800:50:04,699 --> 00:50:07,569we're going in a different

114900:50:05,769 --> 00:50:09,579erection and just like you touched upon

115000:50:07,570 --> 00:50:12,580I think back in the day especially

115100:50:09,579 --> 00:50:14,920coming out of World War two the United

115200:50:12,579 --> 00:50:17,409States the government just wanted to

115300:50:14,920 --> 00:50:19,059tell its people relax everything is fine

115400:50:17,409 --> 00:50:21,069we're done with all this war stuff


115500:50:19,059 --> 00:50:22,750you're safe and secure you can get on

115600:50:21,070 --> 00:50:24,340with your lives oh by the way there's

115700:50:22,750 --> 00:50:25,389things flying around up there we don't

115800:50:24,340 --> 00:50:27,460know where they're coming from

115900:50:25,389 --> 00:50:33,219and we can't protect you from it so I

116000:50:27,460 --> 00:50:34,780get that initial lies if you will that

116100:50:33,219 --> 00:50:38,649they were you know they were trying to

116200:50:34,780 --> 00:50:40,870sort of calm the nation and so on the

116300:50:38,650 --> 00:50:43,240one hand I'm like maybe it's that so

116400:50:40,869 --> 00:50:45,219much time has passed that now they're

116500:50:43,239 --> 00:50:48,189more open to it but the flip side of

116600:50:45,219 --> 00:50:51,099that is you look at the world now and it

116700:50:48,190 --> 00:50:53,769it's just as angry and confused as it

116800:50:51,099 --> 00:50:56,199was back then so I'm not sure with the

1169


00:50:53,769 --> 00:50:57,869idea that now you do have the government

117000:50:56,199 --> 00:51:00,069you know just very recently

117100:50:57,869 --> 00:51:02,380acknowledging that yeah those are

117200:51:00,070 --> 00:51:05,500essentially UFOs we don't know what they

117300:51:02,380 --> 00:51:07,360are and that they're allowing it to come

117400:51:05,500 --> 00:51:09,659out so I it's it is a head-scratcher

117500:51:07,360 --> 00:51:12,130Juno to your point are we just being

117600:51:09,659 --> 00:51:14,500spoon-fed it you know is it is it

117700:51:12,130 --> 00:51:16,840they're coming a little at a time so

117800:51:14,500 --> 00:51:19,030that they can actually then say oh yeah

117900:51:16,840 --> 00:51:20,800okay we admit it we've kind of primed

118000:51:19,030 --> 00:51:22,500you enough we were lying to you all

118100:51:20,800 --> 00:51:24,220along I mean it's a very slippery slope

118200:51:22,500 --> 00:51:26,860yeah I agree

118300:51:24,219 --> 00:51:30,879


now that what I consider one of the most

118400:51:26,860 --> 00:51:33,970interesting UFO incidents did happen in

118500:51:30,880 --> 00:51:35,440Ohio it was the case and I don't know

118600:51:33,969 --> 00:51:38,230how to name the case but the case where

118700:51:35,440 --> 00:51:40,750the police officers chases thing across

118800:51:38,230 --> 00:51:43,630into Pennsylvania from Ohio yeah

118900:51:40,750 --> 00:51:47,789actually the basis for a lot of what was

119000:51:43,630 --> 00:51:50,980seen in the movie

119100:51:47,789 --> 00:51:53,050close encounter those encounters of you

119200:51:50,980 --> 00:51:55,210know yeah I usually refer to that as the

119300:51:53,050 --> 00:51:57,250great UFO chase because it sounds it

119400:51:55,210 --> 00:52:01,119sounds really cool but yeah that was

119500:51:57,250 --> 00:52:05,730back in April of 1966 when deputy

119600:52:01,119 --> 00:52:09,969sheriff Dale Sauer and a Wilbur Neff

119700:52:05,730 --> 00:52:13,679they'd started out out near the town of


119800:52:09,969 --> 00:52:16,000Atwater Ohio is off a State Route 224

119900:52:13,679 --> 00:52:17,889I'm gonna get the time wrong it was like

120000:52:16,000 --> 00:52:19,268four or five in the morning and they got

120100:52:17,889 --> 00:52:22,449called out there to actually

120200:52:19,268 --> 00:52:24,038investigate a an abandoned car which

120300:52:22,449 --> 00:52:26,318some versions will say that there was

120400:52:24,039 --> 00:52:28,839all men and black stuff in the car but

120500:52:26,318 --> 00:52:31,568it's not true they they found out the

120600:52:28,838 --> 00:52:33,038car was just had broken down but while

120700:52:31,568 --> 00:52:36,728they were kind of looking at the car

120800:52:33,039 --> 00:52:40,359this giant UFO type thing came up over

120900:52:36,728 --> 00:52:42,129the top of the trees and just started

121000:52:40,358 --> 00:52:45,548moving down the road and they chased it

121100:52:42,130 --> 00:52:50,548I think it was 86 miles across into


121200:52:45,548 --> 00:52:53,739Pennsylvania and at least one

121300:52:50,548 --> 00:52:55,268Pennsylvania officer actually joined the

121400:52:53,739 --> 00:52:57,039chase as well and then it just finally

121500:52:55,268 --> 00:53:00,158took off but you're exactly right

121600:52:57,039 --> 00:53:03,729because when that came out the articles

121700:53:00,159 --> 00:53:05,068about that Steven Spielberg who was it's

121800:53:03,728 --> 00:53:07,718from Ohio but he was out in California

121900:53:05,068 --> 00:53:09,429and was read about it in the newspaper

122000:53:07,719 --> 00:53:12,130and he was like wow I'm from Ohio they'd

122100:53:09,429 --> 00:53:15,909make a a great movie one day and so it

122200:53:12,130 --> 00:53:17,409is the when Richard Dreyfuss is actually

122300:53:15,909 --> 00:53:19,630chasing the UFO with the police and they

122400:53:17,409 --> 00:53:21,669cross he switched it up Spielberg did

122500:53:19,630 --> 00:53:24,489because in the movie it goes from

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00:53:21,668 --> 00:53:27,009Indiana into Ohio right so he mixed that

122700:53:24,489 --> 00:53:30,188up a little bit but that opening sort of

122800:53:27,009 --> 00:53:32,199scene is based off of the what I call

122900:53:30,188 --> 00:53:34,148the great UFO chase oh yeah it's a it's

123000:53:32,199 --> 00:53:37,119fascinating and it is an interesting

123100:53:34,148 --> 00:53:38,858account and and it's always fun because

123200:53:37,119 --> 00:53:40,809you know the the skeptics will say well

123300:53:38,858 --> 00:53:42,398you know they were just chasing up Venus

123400:53:40,809 --> 00:53:44,979or something like that and you're like I

123500:53:42,398 --> 00:53:47,858don't know 86 miles to the point where

123600:53:44,978 --> 00:53:49,778in the reports they're at we're actually

123700:53:47,858 --> 00:53:52,088saying that you know they were going on

123800:53:49,778 --> 00:53:53,469country roads and at some point they

123900:53:52,088 --> 00:53:55,028were get they were almost getting up to

124000:53:53,469 --> 00:53:57,249


like you know pushing 100 miles an hour

124100:53:55,028 --> 00:53:58,838but when they got to like these where

124200:53:57,248 --> 00:54:02,648the road wasn't going straight anymore

124300:53:58,838 --> 00:54:05,228these officers said that the UFO would

124400:54:02,648 --> 00:54:07,528stop or slow down and was actually

124500:54:05,228 --> 00:54:10,268waiting for them almost to catch up on

124600:54:07,528 --> 00:54:12,458Mouse kind of thing so I mean you're

124700:54:10,268 --> 00:54:14,828like I really don't think a planet can

124800:54:12,458 --> 00:54:17,078do that but yeah yeah yeah that's one of

124900:54:14,829 --> 00:54:21,579the more fascinating cases that when it

125000:54:17,079 --> 00:54:23,469comes to UFOs in Ohio yeah it has been a

125100:54:21,579 --> 00:54:26,889lot of weird settings you know I was

125200:54:23,469 --> 00:54:30,668Ford's UFO activity I'm can you name one

125300:54:26,889 --> 00:54:32,920that another one of your favorites the

125400:54:30,668 --> 00:54:35,230UFO story oh yeah


125500:54:32,920 --> 00:54:36,670I mean the ones that I kind of like to

125600:54:35,230 --> 00:54:38,349keep going back to is that what they

125700:54:36,670 --> 00:54:40,210call the Lake Erie lights which are the

125800:54:38,349 --> 00:54:41,619little oh yeah the lights that red

125900:54:40,210 --> 00:54:43,599lights that people kind of seen there

126000:54:41,619 --> 00:54:45,609but you've got a bunch you've got the

126100:54:43,599 --> 00:54:49,929the Trumbull case where actually it was

126200:54:45,610 --> 00:54:52,570a 9-1-1 call that came in and it ended

126300:54:49,929 --> 00:54:54,730up being there was like four or five

126400:54:52,570 --> 00:54:57,010different townships police officers were

126500:54:54,730 --> 00:54:59,380actually chasing it and the 9-1-1 calls

126600:54:57,010 --> 00:55:01,630if you dig enough online you can

126700:54:59,380 --> 00:55:04,030actually find them where these officers

126800:55:01,630 --> 00:55:05,769are all basically chasing this thing


126900:55:04,030 --> 00:55:08,920trying to find it that was back in like

127000:55:05,769 --> 00:55:10,5991994 I believe it was in December but it

127100:55:08,920 --> 00:55:14,019started in Trumbull County and then

127200:55:10,599 --> 00:55:16,360moved sort of similar to the great UFO

127300:55:14,019 --> 00:55:18,400chase but not as far but you had

127400:55:16,360 --> 00:55:24,000multiple officers that were actually

127500:55:18,400 --> 00:55:28,510chasing after it the there was a case in

127600:55:24,000 --> 00:55:31,3001988 that involved Lake Erie Coast

127700:55:28,510 --> 00:55:33,970Guard's a couple that were coming home

127800:55:31,300 --> 00:55:36,300from dinner saw this creature that was

127900:55:33,969 --> 00:55:38,439like not a creature craft that was act

128000:55:36,300 --> 00:55:40,180kind of near the shores of Lake hearing

128100:55:38,440 --> 00:55:42,340that had iced over but they said this

128200:55:40,179 --> 00:55:44,769thing was kind of beaming down these

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00:55:42,340 --> 00:55:46,780lights and they could hear the ice

128400:55:44,769 --> 00:55:50,380cracking more so than it normally does

128500:55:46,780 --> 00:55:52,210up in Lake Erie in the wintertime and it

128600:55:50,380 --> 00:55:54,160looked as though it was either trying to

128700:55:52,210 --> 00:55:57,250get through the ice or was trying to

128800:55:54,159 --> 00:55:58,599find something underneath it and they

128900:55:57,250 --> 00:56:00,010didn't know what to do so they went home

129000:55:58,599 --> 00:56:02,469and called the police and the police

129100:56:00,010 --> 00:56:04,690said well if it's out in the water it's

129200:56:02,469 --> 00:56:06,159kind of the Coast Guard and so they

129300:56:04,690 --> 00:56:08,380called the Coast Guard and they these

129400:56:06,159 --> 00:56:10,469two guys went out there and actually saw

129500:56:08,380 --> 00:56:13,539these things to the point where these

129600:56:10,469 --> 00:56:15,699triangular colored smaller crafts came

129700:56:13,539 --> 00:56:17,380


out and we're kind of buzzing these two

129800:56:15,699 --> 00:56:19,029guys that were standing there before

129900:56:17,380 --> 00:56:21,190they went back up into the the

130000:56:19,030 --> 00:56:24,690mothership and then the whole thing just

130100:56:21,190 --> 00:56:28,420sort of took off so it's yeah Ohio's got

130200:56:24,690 --> 00:56:30,550weird UFO cases that it's very hard to

130300:56:28,420 --> 00:56:32,950kind of figure out is it because of

130400:56:30,550 --> 00:56:34,780wright-patt you know or what is actually

130500:56:32,949 --> 00:56:37,629drawing these things in here there's a

130600:56:34,780 --> 00:56:39,670wonder yeah there's one last one that I

130700:56:37,630 --> 00:56:42,670I've always been fascinated with is um

130800:56:39,670 --> 00:56:45,909the coin helicopter incident which wise

130900:56:42,670 --> 00:56:46,490yeah where they were actually there were

131000:56:45,909 --> 00:56:48,519four of

131100:56:46,489 --> 00:56:51,669coin is the one who was actually the


131200:56:48,519 --> 00:56:54,318head pilot but they had flown down from

131300:56:51,670 --> 00:56:56,329Cleveland to Columbus

131400:56:54,318 --> 00:56:59,568oddly enough to get their physicals and

131500:56:56,329 --> 00:57:02,300then hop back in the helicopter and they

131600:56:59,568 --> 00:57:04,670were flying over Mansfield Ohio heading

131700:57:02,300 --> 00:57:07,609back to Cleveland and this red light

131800:57:04,670 --> 00:57:09,230came towards them that at one point they

131900:57:07,608 --> 00:57:10,969actually believed that they had been

132000:57:09,230 --> 00:57:13,309fired upon and they were going into

132100:57:10,969 --> 00:57:14,838these they kind of went into like a dive

132200:57:13,309 --> 00:57:18,019as much as you can do a dive with a

132300:57:14,838 --> 00:57:20,058helicopter I guess but the beam went

132400:57:18,019 --> 00:57:22,608this red light went down and was

132500:57:20,059 --> 00:57:25,730following them and then it swung up over


132600:57:22,608 --> 00:57:28,250the top hovered above them turned on

132700:57:25,730 --> 00:57:29,960this green light that bathed all of them

132800:57:28,250 --> 00:57:32,329and the entire you know inside of the

132900:57:29,960 --> 00:57:33,679helicopter in this green light then the

133000:57:32,329 --> 00:57:38,390light went off and the thing moved away

133100:57:33,679 --> 00:57:41,449and they that was it that's fascinating

133200:57:38,389 --> 00:57:45,019to me because coin actually was allowed

133300:57:41,449 --> 00:57:48,348to go and recount that sort of story to

133400:57:45,019 --> 00:57:52,159the United Nations in 1978 it was

133500:57:48,349 --> 00:57:53,000actually Grenada sponsored him because

133600:57:52,159 --> 00:57:54,618they thought it was sort of

133700:57:53,000 --> 00:57:57,619international importance and

133800:57:54,619 --> 00:58:00,440interestingly enough our government

133900:57:57,619 --> 00:58:01,940allowed to him to go there and and speak

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00:58:00,440 --> 00:58:03,740and the really cool thing you should

134100:58:01,940 --> 00:58:06,470tell your listeners if you go and you

134200:58:03,739 --> 00:58:08,509look that up you know just to coin it

134300:58:06,469 --> 00:58:11,539the United Nations UFO or something like

134400:58:08,510 --> 00:58:13,210that the picture that pops up J Allen

134500:58:11,539 --> 00:58:15,858Hynek is actually sitting right behind

134600:58:13,210 --> 00:58:18,740coin when he's giving his speech which

134700:58:15,858 --> 00:58:20,119I'll be honest I didn't I've had that

134800:58:18,739 --> 00:58:22,250picture for years and I show in

134900:58:20,119 --> 00:58:23,420presentations and it wasn't until last

135000:58:22,250 --> 00:58:25,818week when I was giving a presentation

135100:58:23,420 --> 00:58:28,159and I was talking about how I like J

135200:58:25,818 --> 00:58:30,500Allen Hynek so much and somebody said

135300:58:28,159 --> 00:58:32,029there he is and I was like I never saw

135400:58:30,500 --> 00:58:33,559


him back but there is he's kind of

135500:58:32,030 --> 00:58:35,839lurking in the back with his you know

135600:58:33,559 --> 00:58:36,500his his beard his pipe and that kind of

135700:58:35,838 --> 00:58:40,519thing so

135800:58:36,500 --> 00:58:43,420Wow so how can people get a hold your

135900:58:40,519 --> 00:58:46,068books and do you have anything scheduled

136000:58:43,420 --> 00:58:50,450any presentations or anything you'd like

136100:58:46,068 --> 00:58:52,460to announce yeah sadly enough we're not

136200:58:50,449 --> 00:58:56,259sadly enough but I can't keep track of

136300:58:52,460 --> 00:58:59,750them all but yeah the easiest thing is

136400:58:56,260 --> 00:59:03,119my website is actually strange and spoon

136500:58:59,750 --> 00:59:05,579WorldCom and if you go there it's got

136600:59:03,119 --> 00:59:07,980you can get all my books there and it

136700:59:05,579 --> 00:59:11,460actually has a section about all my

136800:59:07,980 --> 00:59:13,858upcoming appearances that I think as of


136900:59:11,460 --> 00:59:16,980right now they start probably in about a

137000:59:13,858 --> 00:59:19,259week and through all of October I'm all

137100:59:16,980 --> 00:59:21,480over the entire state the vast majority

137200:59:19,260 --> 00:59:24,720of the presentations that I give are

137300:59:21,480 --> 00:59:26,849free the ones that they are ticketing

137400:59:24,719 --> 00:59:28,939and charging for are usually for

137500:59:26,849 --> 00:59:31,949charities so I'm doing something with

137600:59:28,940 --> 00:59:33,599the Ohio Wildlife Center so that you

137700:59:31,949 --> 00:59:36,210know they can raise money for that so if

137800:59:33,599 --> 00:59:37,289if there are things where people want to

137900:59:36,210 --> 00:59:39,480come but they're like I don't want to

138000:59:37,289 --> 00:59:41,159pay the two or three bucks it's not

138100:59:39,480 --> 00:59:43,740going into my pocket it's going for a

138200:59:41,159 --> 00:59:45,569charity so it's all for a good cause


138300:59:43,739 --> 00:59:48,509and if all else fails and you don't know

138400:59:45,570 --> 00:59:50,039how to find me somebody actually said

138500:59:48,510 --> 00:59:52,740this and it is true if you just type

138600:59:50,039 --> 00:59:58,380weird Willis into a search engine you'll

138700:59:52,739 --> 01:00:03,358find me great so well James thanks for

138800:59:58,380 --> 01:00:04,829coming on the night certainly I would

138901:00:03,358 --> 01:00:06,358love it I mean this this is what it's

139001:00:04,829 --> 01:00:08,219all about just sitting and talking about

139101:00:06,358 --> 01:00:09,569weird stuff so the pleasure was all mine

139201:00:08,219 --> 01:00:11,039thank you for having me

139301:00:09,570 --> 01:00:15,119you take care and have a good weekend

139401:00:11,039 --> 01:00:16,769you do the same take care bye bye if you

139501:00:15,119 --> 01:00:18,240have an unexplained encounter sighting

139601:00:16,769 --> 01:00:20,909feel free to contact me through the

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01:00:18,239 --> 01:00:23,039phantoms of monsters blog slate my books

139801:00:20,909 --> 01:00:25,739are available in amazon.com just search

139901:00:23,039 --> 01:00:27,750by name lawn Strickler and all my titles

140001:00:25,739 --> 01:00:29,789will appear now I want to again thank

140101:00:27,750 --> 01:00:31,949James wills for joining me this evening

140201:00:29,789 --> 01:00:34,170and I want to thank you for listening to

140301:00:31,949 --> 01:00:37,099the show good night and have a safe and

140401:00:34,170 --> 01:00:37,099enjoyable weekend

140501:00:42,630 --> 01:00:47,349[Music]

140601:00:56,769 --> 01:01:03,938[Applause]

140701:01:21,849 --> 01:02:02,799[Music]

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