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maie: luacdaib f macc: @f||f|f ai 6100: maccaib ft Bocd ^oait)

@HF^TE\ TRO

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go|emfi ft Reccp @f|bo: rf|tame dutq ai the Pouth ^f`aga`: |etu|i to Lefttq: me`hfia` ro|j ai

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Wfcceq: lu||o |f`ep: mo|e memo|aep og the gcfph gcood)

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~|owade ga|pthfid dep`|a~taoip og the aidawadufcp# eweitp# fid ~cf`ep thft bawe hapto|q atp

pulptfi`e) The ~|odu`tp og thap |epef|`h f|e the tf~ep og the aite|waerp fid thea|t|fip`|a~taoip)

Ai thempecwep# o|fc hapto|q aite|waerp f|e iot hapto|q) Horewe|# theq ogtei `oitfai

wfcuflce ~|amf|q pou|`e mfte|afc# fp upeguc ai the ~|o`epp og hapto|aob|f~hq fp the r|attei

pou|`ep to rha`h hapto|afip hfwe `uptomf|acq tu|ied) We|agqaib the f``u|f`q og fcc og the

ptftemeitp mfde ai the `ou|pe og fi aite|waer roucd |evua|e mo|e tame fid moieq thfi the

I@TH^"p o~e|ftaib ludbet ~e|matp) The ~|ob|fm `fi wou`h thft the ptftemeitp re|e mfde#

lut at `fiiot fttept thft theq f|e g|ee og e||o|) F``o|daibcq# o|fc hapto|aep phoucd le |efd rath

the pfme ~|udei`e thft the |efde| exe|`apep rhei `oipuctaib bowe|imeit |e`o|dp# ierp~f~e|

f``ouitp# daf|aep# fid othe| pou|`ep og hapto|a`fc aigo|mftaoi)

At ap the ~oca`q og the I@TH^ to ~|odu`e t|fip`|a~tp thft f|e fp `cope to we|lftam fp~oppalce# lut pome fcte|ftaoi og the text ap beie|fccq loth uifwoadflce fid depa|flce) Rhei

humfi p~ee`h ap `f~tu|ed ai ~|ait the |epuct `fi le f mo|fpp og tfibced pqitfx# gfcpe ptf|tp# fid

ai`om~cete peitei`ep# pometamep we|baib oi ai`ohe|ei`q) The tq~e goit `oitfaip io pqmlocp

go| the ~hqpa`fc beptu|ep fid the dawe|pe wo`fc moducftaoip thft f|e aiteb|fc ~f|tp og

`ommuia`ftaoi th|oubh p~ee`h) Ex~e|aei`e phorp thft totfccq we|lftam t|fip`|a~tp f|e ogtei

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jee~aib fcte|ftaoip to f maiamum the I@TH^ racc# ai ~|e~f|aib f text

f) beie|fccq decete gfcpe ptf|tp# |eduidfi`aep fid the uhp# fhp fid othe| ioapep rath rha`h

p~ee`h ap ogtei p~|aijced:

l) o``fpaoifccq om~|epp cfibufbe thft roucd le `oigupaib to the |efde| ai uifcte|ed

go|m:

`) |f|ecq phagt f ~o|taoi og f t|fip`|a~t to ~cf`e at ai atp ~|o~e| oitext:

d) ei`cope ai Zl|f`jetp] ex~cfifto|q aigo|mftaoi o| ro|dp thft re|e iot utte|ed lut hfwe

leei fdded to |eide| the text aiteccabalce: fid

e) mfje ewe|q eggo|t to `o||e`tcq p~ecc the ifmep og fcc aidawadufcp fid ~cf`ep# |e`obia{aib

thft fi o``fpaoifc ro|d mfq le mapp~ecced le`fupe io futho|atftawe pou|`e oi atp `o||e`t

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Fp ~|oke`t da|e`to|# A roucd caje to ex~|epp mq dee~ f~~|e`aftaoi to thope rho

~f|ta`a~fted ai the Iqe @ouitq Tori Hapto|q ^|oke`t (I@TH^!) At rfp fi hoio| fid f ~|awacebe to

hfwe the o~~o|tuiatq to oltfai o|fc hapto|aep g|om po mfiq roide|guc aidawadufcp) A rfprec`omed aito mfiq homep--ai mfiq `fpep fp f pt|fibe|--fid rfp fccored to phf|e ai the

|e`occe`taoi og co`fc hapto|q) Ai f iumle| og `fpep A hfd the o~~o|tuiatq to aite|waer Iqe @ouitq

|epadeitp rhfm A hfwe jiori fid fdma|ed pai`e A rfp f teeifbe|: thepe ex~e|aei`ep re|e

ep~e`afccq b|ftagqaib) A thfij the |epadeitp th|oubhout Iqe @ouitq fid pouthe|i Iewfdf--too

iume|oup to meitaoi lq ifme-rho ~|owaded fppaptfi`e# aigo|mftaoi# fid ~hotob|f~hp) Theq

hec~ed mfje the pu``eppguc `om~cetaoi og thap ~|oke`t ~oppalce)

F~~|e`aftaoi boep to @hfa|mfi Koe P) Bf|`af# K|)# \ole|t I) ,Lollq, \ewe|t# fid ^ft|a`af

P) Mfijaip# the Iqe @ouitq `ommappaoie|p rho aiatafted thap ~|oke`t) M|) Bf|`af fid M|)

\ewe|t# ai ~f|ta`ucf|# phored dee~ aite|ept fid uiqaecdaib pu~~o|t go| the ~|oke`t g|om atp

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uirfwe|aib pu~~o|t fid fdwo`f`q og the ~|oke`t rathai Iqe @ouitq fid lego|e the Ptfte og

Iewfdf Iu`cef| Rfpte ^|oke`t Ogga`e fid the Uiated Ptftep De~f|tmeit og Eie|bq: loth

eitataep ~|owaded guidp go| thap ~|oke`t) Thfijp f|e fcpo exteided to M|) L|fdhu|pt go| hap

fdwa`e fid ai~ut |ebf|daib the `oidu`t og the |epef|`h fid go| `oiptfitcq pe|waib fp f pouidaib

lof|d rhei methodocoba`fc ~|olcemp re|e ro|jed out) Thap ~|oke`t roucd iewe| hfwe le`ome

f |efcatq rathout the eithupafpta` pu~~o|t og the Iqe @ouitq `ommappaoie|p fid M|) L|fdhu|pt)

Kefi @hf|ieq pe|wed fp fdmaiapt|ftawe fppaptfit# edato|# aidexe|# fid tq~apt th|oubhout

the ~|oke`t: he| pe|wa`ep hfwe leei aidap~eipflce) Couape Te||ecc ~|owaded `oipade|flce

fppaptfi`e ai t|fip`|alaib mfiq og the o|fc hapto|aep: Lf|lf|f Doubcfpp fcpo t|fip`|aled f

iumle| og aite|waerp) T|fip`|alaib# tq~aib# edataib# fid aidexaib re|e ~|owaded ft wf|aoup tamep

lq Fca`e Cewaie# Kodae Hfipoi# Maje B|eei# fid @qithaf T|emlcfq) Kf|ed @hf|ieq `oit|aluted

eppeitafc ro|d ~|o`eppaib pjaccp) Mfa|e Hfqep# Ma`hecce Ptf|ajf# Fiatf @o|qecc# Ma`hecce Recph#

Caidpfq P`humf`he|# fid Kodae Hfipoi phoucde|ed the he|`ucefi tfpj og ~|oog|efdaib the o|fc

hapto|aep) B|et`hei Coeggce| fid Lfmla M`@|f`jei fppapted ai iume|oup pe`|etf|afc fid `ce|a`fc

dutaep) ^hacca~ Ef|c og the Iewfdf Hapto|a`fc Po`aetq `oit|aluted wfcuflce pu~~o|t fid `|ata`apm

th|oubhout the ~|oke`t# fid Tom Jaib ft the O|fc Hapto|q ^|ob|fm og the Uiawe|patq og Iewfdf

ft \eio pe|wed fp f `oipuctaib o|fc hapto|afi) Mu`h depe|wed thfijp f|e exteided to fcc thepe

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|e`ommeidftaoip ex~|epped he|eai f|e thope og the futho| fid do iot ie`eppf|acq |egce`t the

waerp og DOE)

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mopt og the repte|i Uiated Ptftep hfd leei pettced# |fi`hep fid gf|mp deweco~ed#

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g|om the cfte 68>>p phorp thft rhace mu`h og the ptfte rfp mf~~ed fid atp beob|f~ha`fc

geftu|ep ifmed# f wfpt |ebaoi--pt|et`haib g|om Lecmoit pouth to the Cfp Webfp mefdorp#

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pouth`eit|fc Iewfdf |emfaied we|q-mu`h f g|oitae|# fid at `oitaiued to le go| ft cefpt fiothe|

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@oipevueitcq# pouth`eit|fc Iewfdf# iotflcq Iqe @ouitq# |emfaip `cope to the Fme|a`fig|oitae|: `cope|# ~e|hf~p# thfi fiq othe| |ebaoi og the Fme|a`fi Rept) Ai f |efc peipe# f

pabiaga`fit ~f|t og the g|oitae| `fi ptacc le gouid ai pouth`eit|fc Iewfdf) At exaptp ai the

fttatudep# wfcuep# cageptqcep# fid memo|aep og f|ef |epadeitp) The g|oitae|-caje `hf|f`te| og the

f|ef fcpo ap wapalce ai the |ecftawecq uidaptu|led vufcatq og the iftu|fc eiwa|oimeit# mopt og at

eppeitafccq uitou`hed lq humfi hfidp)

F pu|weq og r|attei pou|`ep oi pouth`eit|fc Iewfdf"p hapto|q |ewefcp pome mfte|afc

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aiptfi`e# `fi le gouid `owe|aib Toio~fh"p ga|pt tro de`fdep og exaptei`e# fid the tori hfp hfd

f ierp~f~e| `oitaiuoupcq pai`e atp ga|pt qef|) Ai `oit|fpt# |ecftawecq cattce ap jiori flout the

ef|cq dfqp og Bfllp# \ouid Mouitfai# Mfihfttfi# Lefttq# Fmf|bopf Wfcceq# fid ^fh|um~)

Bfllp"p oicq ierp~f~e| rfp ~ulcaphed aite|matteitcq letreei 6124 fid 6127) \ouid

Mouitfai"p oicq ierp~f~e|# the \ouid Mouitfai Iubbet# rfp ~ulcaphed letreei 61>7 fid

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@occe`taoip ai the Kfmep \) Da`jaipoi Cal|f|q ft the Uiawe|patq og Iewfdf# Cfp Webfp# fid ft

othe| f|`hawfc patep co`fted th|oubhout Iewfdf) The aite|waerp wf|q ai ceibth fid detfac# lut

tobethe| theq go|m f iewe|-lego|e-fwfacflce `om~opate ~a`tu|e og ef`h `ommuiatq"p cage fid

deweco~meit) The `occe`taoi og aite|waerp go| ef`h `ommuiatq `fi le `om~f|ed to f louvuet;

Ef`h gcore| ai the louvuet ap uiavue pome f|e cf|be# othe|p f|e pmfcc-- qet ef`h fddp to the

totfc amfbe) Ai pum# the aite|waerp ~|owade f `om~opate waer og `ommuiatq fid `ouitq hapto|q#|ewefcaib the gcor og cage fid eweitp go| f ~f|t og Iewfdf thft hfp he|etogo|e leei cf|becq

iebce`ted lq hapto|afip)

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~hotob|f~hp de~a`taib ef`h `ommuiatq"p hapto|q) Thepe ~a`tu|ep hfwe leei oltfaied g|om

~f|ta`a~fitp ai the o|fc hapto|q aite|waerp fid othe| ~|epeit fid ~fpt Iqe @ouitq |epadeitp) Ai

fcc# mo|e thfi 2>> ~hotop hfwe leei `occe`ted fid `f|eguccq adeitagaed) @om~cete petp og the

~hotob|f~hp hfwe leei f|`hawed fcoib rath the o|fc hapto|aep)

Oi the lfpap og the o|fc aite|waerp fp recc fp exaptaib r|attei pou|`ep# hapto|aep hfwe

leei ~|e~f|ed go| the mfko| `ommuiataep ai Iqe @ouitq) Thepe hapto|aep fcpo hfwe leei

f|`hawed)

The tori hapto|q ~|oke`t ap oie `om~oieit og f Iqe @ouitq ~|ob|fm to dete|maie the

po`aoe`oioma` am~f`tp og f gede|fc ~|o~opfc to luacd fid o~e|fte f iu`cef| rfpte |e~opato|q ai

pouth`eit|fc Iqe @ouitq) The |e~opato|q# rha`h roucd le co`fted aipade f mouitfai (Qu``f

Mouitfai!# roucd le the iftaoi"p ga|pt# fid ~oppalcq oicq# ~e|mfieit dap~opfc pate go| habh-cewec

|fdaof`tawe rfpte) The Iqe @ouitq Lof|d og @ouitq @ommappaoie|p aiatafted the I@TH^ ai 6182

ai o|de| to `occe`t aigo|mftaoi oi the o|abai# hapto|q# t|fdataoip# fid vufcatq og cage og Iqe @ouitq

`ommuiataep thft mfq le am~f`ted lq f |e~opato|q) Ag the |e~opato|q ap `oipt|u`ted# at racc

|emfai f pou|`e og aite|ept go| huid|edp# ~oppalcq thoupfidp# og qef|p to `ome# fid gutu|e

beie|ftaoip racc cajecq rfit to jior mo|e flout the ~eo~ce rho oi`e |epaded ief| the pate) Ai

the eweit thft bowe|imeit ~oca`q `hfibep fid f habh-cewec iu`cef| rfpte |e~opato|q ap iot

`oipt|u`ted ai Iqe @ouitq# mfte|afc `om~aced lq the I@TH^ racc |emfai go| the upe fideikoqmeit og fcc)

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\ole|t D) M`@|f`jei aite|waeraib Pfm @ocwai ft hap home ai Lefttq# Iewfdf O`tole| 06# 6182)

@HF^TE\ OIE

\M; Pfm# `oucd qou tecc me qou| ifme fp at"p r|attei oi qou| la|th `e|taga`fte?

P@; Kfmep Hf||q @ocwai)

\M; Fid rhe|e re|e qou lo|i?

P@; @odq# Iel|fpjf)

\M; Fid rhft rfp qou| gfthe|"p gucc ifme?

P@; Fcle|t @ocwai)

\M; Fid rhe|e rfp he g|om?

P@; @odq) He `fme out og Mappou|a aito @odq# fid mq mothe| fid he re|e mf||aed the|e ai

flout 6166)

\M; 6166) Fid rhei re|e qou lo|i?

P@; Iowemle| 68# 6160)

\M; Fid rhft rfp qou| mothe|"p mfadei ifme?

P@; Cottae E) Hefth)

\M; Fid phe rfp g|om @odq too?

P@; Phe rfp lo|i the|e ft @odq)

\M; Re|e theq gf|me|p# o| ) ) )?

P@; \fi`he|p) Mq gfthe| fid mothe| pe~f|fted rhei A rfp 4-6/

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\M; Hfd coib dad qou cawe ai Tamifth?

P@; Mq po~homo|e qef|# fid A gaiaphed out mq peiao| qef| ft Tamifth Habh) At lu|ied dori ai

"00 - fp pooi fp A bot out) A rfp ai Iewfdf rhei at lu|ied dori)

\M; Dad @hcoe bo to p`hooc the|e too?

P@; Io# A cawed rath mq pte~-ui`ce) A ro|jed mq rfq th|oubh p`hooc)

\M; Hor dad qou hf~~ei to `ome to Iewfdf?

P@; A rfp f po~homo|e ai habh p`hooc ai Tamifth# fid Zmq mothe|] fid mq pte~gfthe| fid papte|

fid f geccor ifmed Eame| Hedce| reit u~ to Pmath Wfcceq) Thft"p rept out og Qe|aibtoi#

Iewfdf) Thei theq |eited fi ocd ~cf`e ai Lodae# @fcago|iaf# fid Mothe| reit u~ fid o~eied f

|eptfu|fit the|e# phe fid mq papte|) Fid mq pte~gfthe| ro|jed ai the maiep)

\M; Thft"p qou| papte| @hcoe? (@hcoe Capce# kupt go| the |e`o|d)! Phe cawep he|e ai tori)

P@; Qep) Thei mq pte~gfthe| fid mothe| bot aito fi f|bumeit# po theq pe~f|fted fid Mothe|

mowed aito Hfrtho|ie) Thft rfp flout "0> o| "06) Fid thei phe mf||aed f geccor ifmed Rfct

Maccp - Rhateq Maccp) He rfp f bfmlce| fid cfte| he |fi the bfmep the|e) Fid thei theq mowed

to Lefttq fid he |fi the bfmep ft the Ex`hfibe) Thap rfp du|aib ^|ohalataoi) At rfp |abht fgte|

bfmlcaib le`fme cebfc) He |fi the bfmep go| Beo|be B|eeirood ft the Ex`hfibe)

\M; Hor coib dad he do thft?

P@; Uitac "05) Lut A `fme ai "00# fgte| A bot out og habh p`hooc ai Tamifth) A bot out the

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P@; Mq ga|pt kol rfp hfucaib o|e g|om the Luccg|ob maie go| Tom Hf||ap) A hfuced the o|e g|om

the Luccg|ob to the |fac|ofd padaib dori lecor he|e ft Bocd @eite|) Fid thei theq o~eied u~

the Bocd F`e) A rfp the ga|pt mfi - rath Wa` \ette|e| fid hap poi - to bo to ro|j) He hfd the

~ore|houpe dori the|e - f lab daepec |ab - po re to|e the ~ore| caie dori g|om u~ ft the

vuf||q# fid thei theq aiptfcced at g|om the macc ~ore|houpe out aito the maie)

\M; Hor gf| ap the Bocd F`e g|om @f||f|f?

P@; A"d pfq 0 macep) Qou `fi goccor the |ofd u~ to the Bocd F`e - Dodbe @oipt|u`taoi luact at ai

6100 o| "04) Fid the|e rfp f bood fa|~o|t the|e ft @f||f|f) The gfmoup \op`oe Tfiie| gcer out

og the|e) Ai 61

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\M; Rho oried the Bocd F`e ~|o~e|tq?

P@; The Bocd F`e rfp oried lq Mt) Puttoi)

\M; Rhei rfp the Bocd F`e o|abaifccq o~eied?

P@; At boep lf`j aito flout 6166) Ocd Lacc @fcca`ut hfd the ~|o~e|tq the|e `fcced F|aptf) Hap gfthe|

rfp he|e ai tori# fid f ~ae`e og tai ai f raidpto|m hat hap ceb# `ut at lfdcq# fid he daed g|om

bfib|eie)

\M; Ap the Bocd F`e u~ oie og thope `fiqoip?

P@; Io# at"p |abht out oi the ~oait: qou `fi pee at) Fid the Lucc Moope ap kupt flowe at)

\M; Rhft rfp the o|e caje ai the Bocd F`e?

P@; Frguccq habh b|fde ai p~otp) Mq papte| @hcoe `fi phor qou f ~a`tu|e og at) A thaij at rfp

fcmopt pocad bocd flout 4 ai`hep rade) The ~a`tu|e Zap og f ~ae`e] theq hfd ft the Ex`hfibe @cul)

F buq ptoce at# fid theq bot at lf`j# fid thei Zpomeoie] ptoce at fbfai) Theq bot frfq fid theq

iewe| dad bet at lf`j) Lut qou `fi pee the bocd ai the ~a`tu|e) At"p fi ocd lcf`j fid rhate# lut

qou `fi pee the bocd)

\M; Rhft jaid og ro|jaibp dad theq hfwe ft the Bocd F`e? Rfp at exteipawe?

P@; Vuate exteipawe)

\M; Hor dee~ dad at bo?

P@; (~her&! A doi"t |emeMle| - the phfgt ft the Bocd F`e ~|olflcq reit > to 4>> goot) The

Lucc Moope# out oi the othe| pade# rfp mo|e lab pto~ep: core| b|fde)

\M; Dad theq `hco|ade ft the Bocd F`e? Rfp thft hor theq maied at?

P@; Io# theq maied lab) F gfuct `ut the habh-b|fde bocd ogg# fid theq copt at fid at"p iewe| leei

gouid) At"p flpocutecq ~|e~opte|oup) The|e rfp cotp og at he|e rhei A rfp qouib)

\M; Rhe|e rfp the macc?

P@; The o|abaifc Bocd F`e rfp |abht u~ the|e ft the maie# fid Zat] reit l|oje rhei the pto`j

mf|jet gecc) Fid the othe| oie rfp |abht ai the tori og @f||f|f)

\M; Rhe|e rfp the oie thft qou hec~ed luacd?

P@; Ai @f||f|f)

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\M; Rhft rfp @f||f|f caje ai "00?

P@; The|e re|e pewe|fc houpep the|e fid f lab fa|gaecd) Qou `fi bo dori the|e todfq fid qou

`fi"t ewei pee rhe|e at rfp) Oi`e ai f rhace A bo dori the|e fid d|awe fcoib# fid at"p flpocutecq

`owe|ed u~)

\M; Rfp at f da|t fa|gaecd?

P@; Qep# b|fwec) F we|q bood oie) At rfp letreei Hoccqrood fid @f||f|f)

\M; Rhe|e rfp at co`fted?

P@; At rfp 0/4-mace io|th og @f||f|f)

\M; Fid rhft rfp hf~~eiaib ft Hoccqrood?

P@; Thft"p rhe|e the maiaib `fm~ rfp go| the Bocd F`e)

\M; Thei the ro|je|p dadi"t cawe ft @f||f|f?

P@; F cot og them dad# lut fcc the paibce maie|p fid the `oojphf`j fid po go|th re|e ft

Hoccqrood)

\M; Hor mfiq luacdaibp re|e the|e ft Hoccqrood?

P@; Oh# A doi"t jior - 6< o| 65) Fid qou `fi"t ewei gaid at ior ag qou doi"t jior rhe|e to bo)

\M; Rfp at luact ep~e`afccq go| the Bocd F`e?

P@; Qep) The o|abaifc Bocd F`e ai "

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\M; The vuf||q ft @f||f|f rfp iot o~e|ftaib# rfp at?

P@; Io) Lut at rfp f lab ~cf`e) The tflcep re|e ptacc pet u~ rhe|e theq pfred Zmf|lce]) Fid theq

uped pteec phot) Qou hfwe coib pteec |alloip rhftewe| ceibth qou rfit to `ut at) Fid the|e rfp

f tflce oi to~ thft reit lf`j fid go|th fid `ut the mf|lce) Fid theq hfd the ~ocaphaib

mf`haiep the|e fid ewe|qthaib)

\M; Fid thei theq pha~~ed at out oi the |fac|ofd# dadi"t theq?

P@; Theq pha~~ed at oi the |fac|ofd)

\M; Lut at rfpi"t gui`taoiaib rhei qou bot the|e# rfp at?

P@; At rfp gui`taoiflce) At rfp the pfme u~ ft the vuf||q) Ewe|qthaib rfp ai ~cf`e - ewei the lab

d|accp) Theq uped ~cub fid gefthe|) Theq `ut hocep f|ouid ai f caie flout 4 ai`hep f~f|t# fid

thei theq roucd uped rhft theq `fcc f ~cub fid gefthe|# fid theq roucd ~ut the ~cubp ai fid

hfmme| oi the gefthe|p fid cagt thft rhoce huij og mf|lce out) Lut the |efpoi at `coped dori

rfp oi f``ouit og the woc`fioep) Owe| ft 4>-Mace @fiqoi at"p fcc woc`fioep# po the mf|lce"p fcc

g|f`tu|ed)

\M; Fid thei |abht lego|e the rf|) Rfpi"t the|e rfp f buq rho `fme ai fid rfp boaib to luacd

f `emeit ) )

P@; M|) Eca{fcde) A iewe| ro|jed go| ham# lut A jier ham) The Eca{fcdep `fme ai he|e fid luact f

`emeit ~cfit# fid re|e rathai 0 to 7 moithp og hfwaib at gaiaphed - the jaci rfp fcc pet u~ fid

ewe|qthaib - fid thei the rf| pto~~ed at) Ai 6147 f buq ifmed P~f|jq rfp dori the|e fid he

pocd ewe|qthaib ogg fid Ptfidf|d Pcfb loubht the jaci) At"p u~ ft Bfllp# Iewfdf# |abht ior) Adoi"t jior rhethe| theq"|e upaib at go| fiqthaib o| iot# lut Ptfidf|d Pcfb uped at fcc the tame

oi thft mfbiepaum)

\M; Rhft hf~~eied to @f||f|f du|aib the "0>"p?

P@; The Bocd F`e `coped ai f|ouid "05) Fid thei ) )

\M; Rhq dad at `cope? Le`fupe bocd rfp bood thei# rfpi"t at?

P@; Recc# at rfpi"t thft bood) Theq re|e bettaib aito f cot og lfd o|e) M`Baiiap - the cfrqe| rhogu|iaphed the moieq - `coped at dori)

\M; Fid thei Hoccqrood gfded too?

P@; Thft"p rhei at gfded)

\M; Do qou |ememle| the gouitfai ai the `eite| og @f||f|f?

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P@; Qep) The|e rfp f core| |epe|woa| the|e re uped to pram ai) Fcc the rfte| reit to thap

|epe|woa|) Re ~um~ed oi u~ the hacc rath f lab Lefi ~um~) Theq ~um~ed at u~ the hacc go|

~|eppu|e)

\M; Re|e ~eo~ce cawaib ai fcc the houpep rhei qou re|e the|e?

P@; Io# iot fcc og them) ^hqccap Aphmfec `fi tecc qou flout thft) He| b|fidmf cawed the|e# fid

the|e re|e pewe|fc ~eo~ce cawed the|e)

\M; Re|e theq ro|jaib vuate f ger mei ft the Bocd F`e rhei qou re|e the|e?

P@; Qep)

\M; Rhft rfp f dfq"p ~fq thei?

P@; $5 go| mu`je|p# fid $5)

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gcotftaoi) Theq reit aito `qfiade thei - wftp) The macc g|om Bocd ^oait ap the macc out he|e ft the

Homeptfje maie og 61>8-616>) Theq mowed thft macc to Bocd ^oait)

\M; Rhe|e rfp the Homeptfje?

P@; The Homeptfje ap out rhe|e the Bocd Lf| ap ior) Theq `oiie`t oi padecaiep)

\M; OJ# f cattce lat io|th fid rept og \hqocate)

P@; \abht) Theq mowed thft Homeptfje macc aito Bocd ^oait fid at |fi fid `fubht oi ga|e fid

lu|ied dori) Fid thei theq ~ut ai gcotftaoi) Qou"we peei thope lab `emeit thaibp - theq `fme

out og ) ) ) thft macc ap ai Bocd ^oait ior) Theq `om~cetecq |eluact thft ai flout "08 fid thei theq

mfde f `qfiade ~|o~opataoi ai the|e) Thei the rf| `coped at dori)

\M; Ior# ap Bocd ^oait pouth og the habhrfq fp qou bo to Cadf"

P@; Qep)

\M; Rhft `oucd qou tecc flout the Luccg|ob maie# rhe|e qou re|e hfucaib o|e rhei qou ga|pt

bot he|e?

P@; A doi"t |ememle| rho rfp |uiiaib at ft the tame) Theq pfij f 5>>-goot phfgt the|e ai "07# A

lecaewe at rfp# o| "05# fid theq iewe| hat f thaib)

\M; Rhft re|e qou hfucaib# thei?

P@; A rfp ro|jaib# ai "00# g|om the ro|jaibp oi to~) The o|e rfp we|q phfccor)

\M; Rfp the o|e dee~ ft the Bocd F`e?

P@; A doi"t thaij po)

\M; Rfp at dee~ ft Bocd ^oait?

P@; Recc# A |ememle| the Da`jcemfi phfgt rfp 55> o| 7>> o| 2Z>>] o| pomethaib caje thft# fid

theq hfd o|e dori the|e)

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\M; Hor coib dad qou ptfq u~ ft Bocd ^oait?

P@; A lecaewe at rfp Mfq o| Kuie og "02) Thei A reit owe| to @fcago|iaf fid ro|jed ai the maiepf|ouid Bf|dei Wfcceq) Fid thei A `fme lf`j fid reit to ro|j ft Pacwe| ^efj) A ro|jed fcc og "08

fid "01 ai the Mf|q Zfid] A ro|jed go| G|ed Woccme| ai the Lcf`j Mfmmoth) ZHe hfd at] g|om

E)C) @o|d) Fid Ptfi @haftowa`h fid E|iae Pha|ceq re|e loppep)

\M; Rfp at f bocd maie?

P@; Qep# |uiiaib we|q pu``eppguc)

\M; Re|e theq maccaib the o|e the|e?

P@; Qep - dori ft Pacwe| ^efj) Theq hfuced at ogg the hacc# fid @o|d hfd hap macc u~ oi the hacc)

\M; Dad qou cawe ai Pacwe| ^efj?

P@; Qep)

\M; Rhft jaid og f tori rfp thft?

P@; Kupt f maiaib tori - loom tori)

Othe| Woa`e; Qou hfwe to tecc ham flout mowaib the p`hooc luacdaib)

P@; Qep) Ai "08 fcc og up bot tobethe| ) ) ) The p`hooc luacdaib rfp out letreei Iawco`j fid Pacwe|

^efj) Kammq Mo||ap gu|iaphed the t|u`jp# fid mopt og the buqp the|e hec~ed# fid re mowed the

p`hooc aito tori fid ~ut at dori ai f mo|e ~|f`ta`fc co`ftaoi) Pome og the ocd-tame|p ) ) ) Doi

Ph|ade| Zog Bocdgaecd] racc tecc qou flout at) He rfp f qouib loq rhei A rfp the|e)

\M; Fid qou ro|jed the|e f `ou~ce og qef|p?

P@; Qep# A ro|jed the|e flout < qef|p)

\M; Fid thei rhft?

P@; A `fme lf`j to Lefttq)

\M; Rhft dad qou do ai Lefttq# thei?

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P@; A ro|jed go| \fc~h Capce go| frhace) He hfd f bfp ptftaoi fid f lucj ~cfit) A bot mf||aed ai

6108 he|e ai Lefttq Zft f] \e~ulca`fi |fccq)

\M; Dad qou mf||q f co`fc ba|c?

P@; Io# oie g|om Pacwe| ^efj) Re dadi"t cawe tobethe| we|q coib: re re|e dawo|`ed) A reit dorito Te`o~f fid ro|jed ai the maiep ft Te`o~f) A |fi f hoapt dori the|e) Thei A vuat fid reit

owe| rath \fc~h Capce ft ^fifmait @atq go| f pho|t tame ai the tuibptei maie u~ Pu|~|ape @fiqoi)

Re hfd f te||alce 4>-goot rfcc og rfte| ) ) ) the|e re|e loucde|p fp lab fp f `f| `omaib dori the

`fiqoi) \fc~h"p l|othe| fid mq iothe| fid A re|e ai thft `fiqoi - Zre hfd] kupt gaiaphed the

|ofd) The b|fde| fid the `ft re|e pattaib dori the|e - A cegt the `ft dori the|e - fid thap rfte|

fid mud `fme dori fid re pfr at fhefd) Re kupt bot ogg phagt boaib lf`j to ^fifmait fid re

`oucd pee thft ) )

\M; Re|e qou rfcjaib?

P@; Io# re re|e d|awaib the t|u`j) Re coojed u~ the `fiqoi# fid the|e rfp the frguccept pmecc#

fid he|e `fme the `coudlu|pt) At dadi"t t|fwec gfpte| thfi qou `oucd |ui) At rfp f rfcc og rfte|#

A"d pfq 4>-geet habh# rath loucde|p# fid at pmecced caje gcait# qou jior - gcait) A bot owe| the to~

fid re cagted mq mothe| fid < og up - \fc~h"p l|othe| rfp uide|iefth fid he ~uphed he|# fid

re cagted he| u~ owe| f `cagg) Fid thft rfq re bot out og thft te||alce defc) Thei re ro|jed ou|

rfq u~ to ^fifmait @atq# rfcjaib)

\M; Rfp at |faiq thft dfq# o| ) ) ) ?

P@; Oh# qep) Kupt f lab `coudlu|pt u~ oi the ^fifmait)

\M; Fid at kupt d|faied f cot og `ouit|q u~ the|e?

P@; Qep# at dad) At fcc `fme u~ flowe up) Rhei at eided# ewe|qthaib rfp boie - the b|fde|p fid

the p`f|ga|ep fid ewe|qthaib) ZF p`f|ga|e ap ~ucced lehaid f `ft) At hfp teeth to coopei b|ouid fid

dapcodbe cf|be |o`jp) At"p uped to luacd |ofdp# et`)] Fid the `ft rfp pattaib oi rhft coojed caje f

mouitfai - kupt f lab huij og da|t Theq hfd to luacd f |ofd to bet at ogg: the t|f`jp og the `ft

re|e hfibaib) Fid thft"p rhft rfp cegt)

A cegt the|e fid A reit to ro|j go| Reccp @f|bo) A rfp phagt go|emfi go| Reccp @f|bo uitac A

reit aito the pe|wa`e ai "4

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\M; Tecc me f cattce lat flout thft o~e|ftaoi)

P@; Recc# theq hfuced at dori rhe|e theq mfde mfbiepaum)

\M; Rfp at fi o~ei ~at ft Bfllp?

P@; Qep# f t|emeidoup lab oie)

\M; Fid rhft jaid og t|u`jp dad qou upe?

P@; Jeiro|thp) Theq re|e fcc daepecp) Koe Reccp depabied the ho~~e|p hampecg - he fid Horf|d

fid Lol) The Reccp loqp re|e 0 loqp rho bot ptf|ted ai \eio hfucaib t|fph) A jier them fcc)

Theq bot the `oit|f`t go| hfucaib the |ebucf| o|e - the l|u`ate - to the |fachefd the|e ai Cuiaib)

Fid thei rhei the lab defc hat ai Webfp - the EMA - theq bot the Z`oitaiuftaoi og the] `oit|f`t

go| hfucaib the defd lu|i)

\M; Rhft doep defd lu|i mefi?

P@; Thft mefip at"p leei jaci-d|aed)

\M; Po qou"d cofd u~ ai Bfllp# fid rhe|e roucd qou bo thei?

P@; Re reit aito Toio~fh# fid g|om Toio~fh to Bocdgaecd fid Lefttq fid |abht pt|fabht

th|oubh tori# |abht aito the Lfpa` \eg|f`to|aep)

\M; Hor lab re|e qou| t|u`jp? Dad theq hfwe t|face|p?

P@; Theq re|e pu~~oped to le 4>-toi# fid theq hfd f t|face|) Theq owe|cofded the ga|pt cofd fid

at leit the g|fme# po fgte| thft theq |eaigo|`ed the g|fmep fid re hfuced flout 05- to 4>-toi ft

f rhf`j)

\M; Hor mfiq oi the t|u`j fid hor mfiq oi the ~u~?

P@; Treitq fid treitq)

\M; Do qou |ememle| rhft theq re|e? Jeiro|th o| Rhatep o| ) ) )?

P@; Io# theq re|e kupt the Jeiro|th t|u`jp rath `emeit ho~~e|p qou hfwe ior) Koe Reccp ap the

oie rho depabied them)

\M; Hor coib dad at tfje qou to mfje the |ui?

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P@; Re"d ptfq fcc iabht) Re"d bo dori fid `ome lf`j fid ptfq fcc iabht ft the Ec @o|te{) At

rfpi"t o~ei# at rfp kupt o~eiaib u~) Lut the t|u`je|p fcc hfd |oomp the|e) Koe Reccp gu|iaphed

up t|u`je|p g|ee |ofip) Thei re"d `ome lf`j the iext dfq)

\M; Re|e the |ofdp ~fwed?

P@; Qep# theq re|e fcc ~fwed) Theq ~fwed thepe |ofdp ai Lefttq ai "04) Rhei A `fme he|e ai "00 at

rfp fcc b|fwec |ofdp g|om Cfp Webfp to he|e) Re goccored the |fac|ofd t|f`jp) Fid thei ai "04

theq luact the |ofdp# fid the Dodbe @oipt|u`taoi# fp A tocd qou# luact thft cattce |ofd u~ to the

maie rhei he rfp `omaib lf`j)

\M; Rfp at f ~|ettq bood ~fwed |ofd rhei qou re|e hfucaib thft o|e?

P@; Qep# re hfd bood |ofdp) If||or# lut bood)

Rhft dad qou do ai lfd refthe|?

P@; Kupt je~t mowaib)

\M; Dad qou ewe| l|efj dori oi the |ofd?

P@; We|q pecdom)

\M; Rhft hf~~eied rhei qou dad l|efj dori?

P@; Re"d peid go| Hf|weq Mefcmfi - he rfp fi frguccq bood daepec me`hfia`) Fid \a~ Wfi

Raijce rfp f pu~e|aiteideit)

\M Fid thei qou reit aito the pe|wa`e ai "4

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P@; Recc# re hfd 68 ) ) ) at rfp f mo~-u~) Fid A reit ai the ga|pt rfwe rath the tfijp rath

Mf`F|thu|# rhei he reit ai to Caibfqei Bucg) ^ucced out og the|e < reejp cfte| fid reit aito

[fmlofibf# oi the core| eid og Maidfifo# fid tooj - goubht thea| rfq - dori aito Koco oi the

Pucu F|`ha~ecfbo# mfde f lef`hhefd dori the|e oi the apcfid og Koco# `fme lf`j# fid reit oi

aito ^eifib) Thei A bot hu|t fid pomethaib - mq cebp re|e to|i u~ - fid thei A reit aitohop~atfc# fid thei `fme lf`j fid the rf| rfp owe|)

\M; Rhft jaid og tfijp dad theq upe?

P@; A rfp ai `hf|be og `om~fiq mfaiteifi`e og F-267 Tfij Lfttfcaoi @om~fiq tfijp) Thft rfp

hefwq |eaigo|`emeit) At rfp 68 medaum fid A lecaewe A hfd 1 o| 6> cabhtp# fid A hfd flout 4>

t|u`jp fid po go|th) Qou pee# A `fme out og Reccp @f|bo g|om |uiiaib thft ptugg# fid thft rfp

rhq ) ) ) A reit ai)

\M; Rhft dad qou do fgte| the rf|?

P@; A `fme lf`j fid \fc~h Capce fid A o~eied f bf|fbe ai Lefttq)

\M; Rhe|e rfp the bf|fbe?

P@; Phecc Bf|fbe# u~ oi the `o|ie|) At rfp f lab oie)

\M; Rhe|e the Phecc ptftaoi ap ior?

P@; Qep# lut at rfp f lab bf|fbe - at tooj the rhoce cot)

\M; Rfp lupaiepp bood?

P@; Qep# frguccq bood) Re hfd the ga|pt `|fijphfgt b|aide| letreei Cfp Webfp fid \eio) ^eo~ce

roucd `ome out og Cop Fibecep fid thea| oac p`|eeip re|e fcc ~cubbed u~) A b|ouid huid|edp og

`|fijphfgtp)

\M; Rhq roucd theq le ~cubbed u~?

P@; Recc# thea| caiep roucd ~cub u~ le`fupe the `f|p iewe| |fi mu`h du|aib the rf|)

\M; Oh: fid theq"d lcor thea| eibaie)

P@; Theq lcer thea| eibaie fid A b|ouid thea| phfgtp) A reit to Defth Wfcceq# A t|fweced fcc owe|

b|aidaib `|fijphfgtp rath the mf`haie# fid thei A"d mfje mq ori lef|aibp - re hfd ou| ori

mf`haiep - to do po) Re hfd f lab mf`haie pho~)

\M; Hor coib dad qou do thft?

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P@; \fc~h fid A o~e|fted the pho~ go| < qef|p# A lecaewe) Fid thei re o~eied u~ f bf|fbe rhe|e

hap ~|epeit hf|drf|e ap# Zfid] at cfte| lu|ied dori)

\M; Rhei dad thft lu|i?

P@; Ai 615> o| "56# A lecaewe at rfp)

\M; Rhft dad qou do fgte| thft?

P@; A reit to Hfrtho|ie fp f daepec co`omotawe me`hfia` go| 65 moithp# A lecaewe at rfp# fid

thei A reit rath Ptfidf|d Pcfb fp hefd mfpte| me`hfia` go| them)

\M; Ior# Ptfidf|d Pcfb roucd le rhe|e?

P@; Ft Bfllp) The `om~fiq thft hfd @f||f|f)

\M; Rhft re|e theq doaib u~ ft Bfllp? Dadi"t theq phut thft mfbif`ate dori fgte| the rf|?

P@; Io# at |fi u~ uitac ) ) ) A go|bet rhei) Lfpa`# A thaij# loubht Ptfidf|d Pcfb out ai flout 6157

o| "52)

\M; Rhe|e dad theq ~|o`epp at? Le`fupe theq"d phut dori ) ) )

P@; Theq ~|o`epped at |abht the|e ft Bfllp) Theq pha~~ed fcc og the ptugg lf`j efpt fid theq

mfje l|a`jp out og at) Theq upe mfbif`ate l|a`jp ai `emeit jacip fid gu|if`ep)

\M; Fid hor coib dad qou ptfq u~ the|e?

P@; Recc# A reit to ro|j go| them fid thei A reit out fid ro|jed go| Bfllp Ex~co|ftaoi fp f

me`hfia` go| them) A rfp the|e 4 qef|p fid thft"p rhei tuibptei reit lfd - ai 6152) Thei A

reit to Qe|aibtoi go| f qef| - hfd f pho~ fid pe|wa`e ptftaoi owe| the|e - fid thei mowed lf`j

to Lefttq ai "51)

\M; Rhft dad qou do thei?

P@; Recc# |abht ior qou"|e boaib to bet aito pomethaib) A hfd the ptftaoi owe| he|e fid A hfd mq`ftp fid `fip fid fcc# fid ai 617< A o~eied u~ Iu`cef| Eibaiee|aib# rha`h ap ior U)P) E`ocobq) A

luact the |ofdp fid A dad fcc the ro|j dabbaib the hocep g|om 617< to 6175) Thei A vuat fid reit

out to the Tept Pate) Fiothe| geccor rho hec~ed me rfp Oac`fi Hf||q -Hf||q B|aggai)

\M; Dad qou `owe| at u~# thei? The rfpte?

P@; Qep)

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\M; Rhft re|e theq lu|qaib dori the|e ai thope ef|cq dfqp?

P@; Cor-cewec rfpte)

\M; Ior# f `fi ap the thaib thft qou tor# |abht? Lehaid the b|fde| - the p`|f~e|)

P@; \abht) A"we ptacc bot at) A |fi the `ft fid mq poi hec~ed me) He rfp oicq 60# lut he |fi the `ft

`fi# too) A |fi the t|u`jp fid hfuced the iu`cef| rfpte fcc out og @oi`o|d# @fcago|iaf) Iu`cef|

hfd 0 t|u`jp)

\M; Rhq rfp at `omaib out og @oi`o|d?

P@; Le`fupe at rfp pto|ed the|e) Theq hfd tem~o|f|q pto|fbep the|e)

\M; Rfp at go| fcc og @fcago|iaf# o| the rept# o| the U)P)# o| rhft?

P@; Recc# vuate f lat og at) Re ptf|ted out ) ) ) re dad we|q recc out he|e)

\M; Rhft dad the rfpte cooj caje?

P@; Recc# at rfp ai lf||ecp)

\M; Hor dee~ dad theq lu|q at?

P@; Ai thope dfqp A thaij A |fi f|ouid 0> geet) Fid thei qou tfje the `ft fid `owe| at fcc u~: re

fcrfqp je~t at `owe|ed)

\M; Hor dee~ f|e theq lu|qaib at ior?

P@; A thaij theq"|e boie dori flout 5> geet ior) A"we Zoicq] leei out the|e oi`e pai`e A rfp

the|e)

\M; Doep the b|ouid ptfid recc?

P@; Qep)

\M; At doep? Qou `oucd `f|e dori rath f pt|fabht rfcc?

P@; Qep# qou `f|e dori frguccq-recc) Qou bawe at f cattce pcfit qou jior# f cattce ~at`h)

Iu`cef| Eibaiee|aib rfp oie og the o|abaifcp) Theq re|e lu|qaib at ft pef ai lf||ecp# ag

qou |ememle|) Theq `oucdi"t gaid fiq le`fupe the `u||eitp og the o`efi re|e mowaib at fcc

owe|) Po theq pto~~ed thft# fid the Ptfte og Iewfdf bfwe Iu`cef| Eibaiee|aib thap b|ouid out

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he|e# fid the ~eo~ce rho oried Iu`cef| Eibaiee|aib `fme aito tori fid ha|ed me to do fcc

the ro|j) A hfd f `oit|f`to|"p ca`eipe)

\M; Rhei dad U)P) E`ocobq `f|e aito the ~a`tu|e thei?

P@; A doi"t |ememle| rhft qef| at rfp) Iu`cef| Eibaiee|aib pocd thea| g|fi`hape fid fcc to U)P)E`ocobq vuate frhace fgte| A cegt)

\M; Po thft dum~ boep `cef| lf`j to "7

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\M; OJ# A racc)

P@; Qep# A |fi the hoapt# fid A rfp pho~ go|emfi ft E-tuiiec)

\M; Qep# he ro|jed ft E-tuiiec go| mfiq qef|p)

P@; A rfp ai E-tuiiec fid A ro|jed ai B fid fcc the tuiiecp) Lut the|e"p iothaib thft A jior rhft

reit oi out the|e)

\M; Hor coib dad qou ro|j the|e?

P@; Tei fid f hfcg qef|p: A |eta|ed ai "27)

\M; Fid rhft hfwe qou leei doaib pai`e?

P@; Lego|e A |eta|ed A luact f bf|fbe) Go| mfiq qef|p A hfwe hfd f cfthe thft `fme out og the ocd

pho~ ft Defth Wfcceq Kui`taoi) A loubht at g|om ^hqccap Lecc"p huplfid# Da`j Lecc) Fid A kupt ~addce

f|ouid) At rfp fi frguccq ocd oie - Zg|om the] ef|cq 61>>p)

\M; Fid rhft do qou mfje rath qou| cfthe?

P@; Oh# fiqthaib# tu|iaib metfcp) Fid A hfwe fcc jaidp og recde|p fid ewe|qthaib)

\M; Po qou"|e |efccq f me`hfia`# maie|# Z`hu`jcep] fid metfc mf`haiapt? F kf`j og fcc t|fdep?

P@; Qou ifme at: qou ifme at) Du|aib the De~|eppaoi qou hfd to le) \ememle|# A rfp the phagtgo|emfi go| Koe Reccp - Horf|d fid Lol - oi the t|u`jp) Thei A dap~ft`hed them fid A d|owe go|

f coib tame to bet u~ to le go|emfi)

\M; Po qou `fi lfpa`fccq gax fiqthaib# ~|olflcq)

P@; Fiqthaib)

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@HF^TE\ TH\EE

\M; Pfm# rhft rfp Lefttq caje rhei qou ga|pt `fme he|e ai "00?

P@; Frguccq# frguccq bood) The|e rfp f cot og ro|j)

\M; Ewei thoubh the|e rfp f De~|eppaoi?

P@; Qep) Ag qou |ememle|# \oopewect |faped the ~|a`e og bocd g|om $)72 to $05) Po thft mfde

fcc thepe maiep ai Lefttq dapt|a`t ~|ogatflce) Qou `oucd vuat oie kol oie dfq fid le ro|jaib

fiothe| maie the iext dfq)

\M; Rhft re|e pome og the maiep thft re|e o~e|ftaib?

P@; The Luccg|ob# the Moitbome|q-Phophoie# the ^aoiee|# the Mfqgcore|

))

\M; Fid thei og `ou|pe the Bocd F`e)

P@; Qep)

\M; Tecc me pome mo|e flout rhft the tori rfp caje)

P@; At rfp f bood-pa{ed tori thei) F cot og the luacdaibp hfwe leei mowed) F`|opp g|om the

Ex`hfibe rfp rhft theq `fcced the Bocd F`e lf|) At rfp f lab lf| thei) At rfp f cot rade fid f

gucc cot coib) Recc# at lu|ied dori fid re hfd oie lab ga|e) Oie mfi rfp lu|ied u~ ai the lf`j

|oom) Re hfd f ga|e de~f|tmeit thei# fid re hfd flout f 6165 o| "64 ga|e eibaie# ag A

|ememle| |abht) A jior thft A |fi the ga|e eibaie - je~t at boaib) Cf||q Cee fid fcc the buqp re|e

gabhtaib the ga|e fid Cf||q Cee rfp f lf|teide| ft the Bocd F`e fid he b|flled the `fph |ebapte|

fid lf`jed |abht owe| the to~ og at bettaib hap `f| out# he rfp po ex`ated) Zcfubhte|]

Og `ou|pe# the|e re|e luacdaibp oi u~ thft rfq) The Ex`hfibe hfd f |eptfu|fit fid mq

papte| @hcoe ro|jed the|e) Fid thei Koe Fid|e `fme ai fid he ptf|ted oie f`|opp the pt|eet

rhe|e the qeccor houpe ap u~ ai the|e) He ~ut f d|ubpto|e fid ewe|qthaib u~ the|e `fttq-`o|ie|

f`|opp g|om the Ex`hfibe fid u~ kupt f cattce rfq) He mowed the houpe thft A cawed ai @f||f|f) A

Zhfd] ptfqed the|e rath Wa`to| fid Home| \ette|e|)

\M; Thft rfp lego|e the houpe rfp the|e)

P@; Mapp Racpoi oried thft houpe)

\M; Oh - at rfp |abht iext doo| to at)

P@; Qep) Koe `fme ai he|e rath f cattce t|face| fid theq re|e boaib to |ui ham out og tori)

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\M; Rhq?

P@; A doi"t jior) Le`fupe theq dadi"t rfit `om~etataoi# A thaij) He |efccq ~ut out the good# fid

mq papte| @hcoe ro|jed go| ham the|e ai thft cattce 2-pefted |eptfu|fit ) ) ) `fcced the Pacwe|

Daie|)

\M; Fid dad he hfwe bood good the|e?

P@; Frguccq bood good) Fid thei og `ou|pe theq hfd the B|eei G|oit dori the pt|eet f rfq -

thft rfp f `fge) M|p) Ioape |ui thft - F|t Ioape"p b|fidmf) Fid og `ou|pe f`|opp the pt|eet#

thei# cfte| oi# Fid|e luact the Pacwe| Daie| `fge dori lq the 27 Ptftaoi) Thei he mowed at u~

iext to M|p) Hf|weq"p ~cf`e) Thft"p f lf| ior - Da`j Po|eipoi"p lf|) Fid ai cfte| qef|p mq rage"p

gfthe| loubht at fid thft"p rhe|e phe fid A met) Phe rfp f rfat|epp go| he| ~f|eitp)

\M; Rhft rfp he| gfthe|"p ifme?

P@; \ole|t Cee Pt|oud) Re met ai the `fge) Phe rfp ) )

Othe| Woa`e; ) ) ) rfp hfphaib go| ham)

P@; Phe rfp hfphaib) Lut |abht dori the pt|eet f cattce rfqp oi thft pade the ocd Lefttq Hotec

uped to le oried lq f cattce lattq geccor ifmed Kohiiq Padeq) Theq `fcced ham Kohiiq-lehaid-

the-|o`j)

\M; Rhq dad theq `fcc ham thft?

P@; Le`fupe pomelodq rfp t|qaib to bet hap `cfamp# fid he bot lehaid f |o`j fid |fi thfi ogg)The|e rfp pome phootaib)

\M; Ior# rhe|e rfp hap ~cf`e - oi the efpt pade o| the rept pade og ) )

P@; At"p oi the io|th pade og Mfai Pt|eet) Thei |abht f`|opp the pt|eet rfp the @fcago|iaf Hotec) At

cfte| lu|ied) Fid Kohiiq Padeq iewe| hfd hap Lefttq Hotec gaiaphed) Pome ~eo~ce# qef|p cfte|#

`fme fid luact at u~) Fid |abht iext to at the|e rfp f lcaid mfi# fid hap rage rfp the lf|le|)

Phe |fi the lf|le| pho~ fid he ~cfqed the o|bfi) Thap boep lf`j vuate frhace - ai the mad-"0>p)

Lacc rfp hap ifme - Lcaid Lacc) He ~cfqed the pvuee{e lox fid he ~cfqed go| fcc the dfi`ep)

The ro|pt thaib thft ewe| hf~~eied to Lefttq ap rhei theq bot |ad og the ocd tori hfcc)Thft rfp# go| fcc the ocd-tame|p fid ~eo~ce# the ~cf`e rhe|e ewe|qlodq met)

\M; Rhq dad theq tef| at dori? Rhft rfp thea| thaijaib?

P@; A hfwe io adef) To ~ut the ga|ehoupe ai the|e# A buepp) Lut the|e rfp io ieed og thft: theq

`oucd"we ~ut the ga|ehoupe the|e fp gf| fp A"m `oi`e|ied) Ai 6100 o| "4 A |fi the phorp the|e)

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\M; Recc# tecc me flout thft) A tfcjed to Le|t Cemoip# fid he |fi at fgte| the rf|)

P@; Oh# qep) A |fi at go| Koe Fid|e: he hfd the mowae evua~meit# fid A roucd |ui the gacmp) Thft

rfp the |efpoi A doi"t caje to bo to f phor) A hfd po mu`h gacm thft at kupt ) ) ) Ewe|q reej o| po

re"d hfwe f gacm) At rfp f bood ~|oke`taoi |oom)

\M; Dad vuate f ger ~eo~ce phor u~?

P@; Oh# qep - the tori fcc phored u~)

\M; Dad the gacmp `ome ai oi the t|fai# o| rhft?

P@; Recc# cet"p pee# A thaij the cfpt t|fai vuat ai "01) A uped to bet oi the t|fai# kupt go| the gui og at#

dori he|e ft the Q fid theq"d lf`j at f|ouid fid bet the cofdp fid fcc thft)

\M; Hor coib dad qou |ui the ~|oke`to|?

P@; Oh# pewe|fc moithp)

\M; Dad qou |ui at oi`e f reej o| oi Pftu|dfq# o| pomethaib caje thft?

P@; A thaij po) Fid the|e re|e dfi`ep: re hfd the gaiept - f bood ptfbe fid f bood o|`hept|f)

\M; Rhe|e dad the o|`hept|f `ome g|om?

P@; Ai "00 A|waib @|orecc hfd f `oupai ifmed Kf`j @|orecc rho ~cfqed the pfxo~hoie fid hap

rage ~cfqed - ag A |ememle| |abht - the ~afio) He rfp f bood mupa`afi) Og `ou|pe Koe Fid|e# qoujior# rfp vuate gfmoup go| hap mupa`: he rfp f lfid cefde|)

\M; Dad he ewe| ~cfq ft the dfi`ep?

P@; Io# A doi"t |ememle|)

\M; Dad theq ewe| l|aib lfidp ai g|om Cfp Webfp?

P@; Re dadi"t |efccq ieed to) Re hfd the mupa`afip he|e# fid theq re|e bood oiep) Fid fcc qou

ieeded to do rfp gax the gcoo| f cattce lat - pmooth at ogg o| jee~ at `owe|ed)

\M; At rfp the ocd Maie|p" Uiaoi luacdaib out og \hqocate# rfpi"t at?

P@; Qep# at rfp lefutaguc - f bood oie)

\M; Thft"p rhft A hef|) Qep# at rfp f phfme theq to|e at dori) Fid rhei theq to|e at dori theq

dadi"t ewei hfwe f `ommuiatq `eite|# dad theq?

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P@; Io# theq luact at u~ oi the hacc mfiq qef|p cfte|)

\M; Qep) Po qou reit go| f coib tame rathout f meetaib ~cf`e)

P@; A doi"t lcfme fiqlodq go| at) The oicq thaib ap# A doi"t pee rhq theq to|e at dori) A tfje io~e|poifc b|udbep fbfaipt fiqlodq)

\M; At pouidp caje du|aib the "0>p the mfaiptfq og Lefttq e`oiomq rfp the maiaib)

P@; Fcc maiaib) Re hfd pome bood `hf|f`te|p ai tori) Qfwf~fa ^ete rfp vuate f oie) He `fme

out og F|a{oif# fid he rfp f `hf|f`te|) Re hfd fcc tq~ep og `hf|f`te|p he|e)

\M; Rhei theq phut maiaib dori rath the rf|# rhft hf~~eied to the tori?

P@; At kupt rfpi"t po bood) Lut the Tept Pate `fme ai fid the|e hfwe fcrfqp leei f cot og mei

g|om he|e# caje mqpecg# rho fcc ro|jed the|e)

\M; Lut at rfp 6> qef|p lego|e the Tept Pate `fme ai)

P@; Qep# at rfp) Lut at"p f bood tou|apt tori) F we|q# we|q bood co`ftaoi) The @@p luact fcc the

|ofdp ai Defth Wfcceq) The `ft pattaib out he|e lehaid mq houpe ap f @@ `ft) A bot at oi f lad out

og the iftaoifc pate ai 6148 o| "41) At"p the cattce ocd Aite|iftaoifc thft A buepp fcc the @@ loqp |fi

lf`j rhei theq re|e luacdaib thope |ofdp) A bfwe at to mq poi fid he"p |eluacdaib at go| f

jee~pfje)

\M; Fid at rfp the @@p rho dad f cot og ro|j ai the ~f|j fid ewe|qthaib?

P@; Theq dad fcc the ro|j - ~e|aod) The @@p uped to `ome to Lefttq flout ewe|q Pftu|dfq iabht)

Re hfd f lf| u~ flowe tori# |abht the|e# `fcced the Depe|t Aii) Eabht og them `fme ai the|e fid

bot |ordq oie iabht fid thap ocd bfc tooj ogg he| phoe) Phe kupt tooj the heec og he| phoe fid

tf~~ed them oi the hefd fid theq ) ) ) thei theq hfuced them out fid hfuced them dori to

Defth Wfcceq) Lut theq luact fcc the |ofdp ai Defth Wfcceq)

\M; Fid thft rfp rhft |efccq hec~ed tou|apm?

P@; At hec~ed ewe|qthaib ai Lefttq) \fc~h Capce racc tecc qou# le`fupe he ro|jed ai the 0 @p)

\M; Oh# he ro|jed the|e?

P@; Qep) Fid Lodae Cqoip fid Cf||q Cee re|e the|e# fid ) )

\M; Po thft at rfp f |epuct og the ro|j thft theq dad ai the "0>p thft hec~ed tou|apm ~a`j u~?

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P@; Oh# qep) Thft luact Lefttq) At rfp kupt f cattce pcee~q maiaib tori)

\M; Rhft flout the e`oiomq og Lefttq du|aib the "4>p?

P@; \abht fgte| the rf|# ewe|qlodq `fme ai he|e to bo to the 41e| Dfqp) Thepe re|e the ga|pt

oiep# qou jior) Thei re hfd frguccq bood Lu||o Dfqp) Thft luact Lefttq f cot: gacced fcc themotecp fid ewe|qthaib)

\M; Fid thei ai the "5>p qou bet the Tept Pate# doi"t qou?

P@; Qep# qou bet qou| Tept Pate fid thei fcc oi u~)

\M; Hor am~o|tfit hfp the Tept Pate leei to Lefttq"p e`oiomq? Hfwe the|e |efccq leei thft

mfiq Lefttq ~eo~ce ro|jaib the|e?

P@; Qep# the|e hfwe) At hfp the Tept Pate# fid thei at hfp Go|d# fid fcc the maiep ro|jaib - A buepp

Bocd Lf|"p ro|jaib ior# fid Pfbf hfp bot f cot og mei) Re hfwe vuate f ger mei ro|jaib he|e)

\M; Hor roucd qou dep`|ale po`afc cage lf`j ai the "0>p?

P@; We|q bood) Re re|e vuate f `cope-jiat gfmacq)

\M; Qep) Lefttq hfp f ia`e p~a|at)

P@; Qep# f habh `ommuiatq p~a|at) At rfp rhei A rfp qouib)

\M; Ewei thei)

P@; Qep) Todfq at"p the pfme) Qou hfwe the lept wocuitee| ga|emei ai the `ouit|q) Fid re hfwe

lefutaguc lfcc~f|jp fid prammaib ~oocp fid ) ) re"we bot ewe|qthaib)

\M; Rhft flout the lu||o |f`ep# Pfm?

P@; The ga|pt lu||o |f`ep ptf|ted ai "47 o| "42) Mq cattce `oupai g|om @oco|fdo ) ) ) re hfd fi ocd

lu||o# f mfmf lu||o# fid f lflq) Re d|er thft mfmf lu||o fid cattce lflq) The rfq re |fi

the |f`ep# theq ptf|ted ogg# fid the cattce lu||o tooj ogg dori the pt|eet# the iothe| |abht fgte|

at) Zcfubhte|] Fid Zcfubhp] at out-|fi ewe|qthaib) The mothe| lu||o tooj out to ~|ote`t he| lflq)

\M; Thft rfp f coib tame lego|e theq hfd the lu||op ai "7># rfpi"t at?

P@; Oh# qep)

\M; The lu||o |f`e adef boep rfq lf`j# thei# doepi"t at?

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P@; Oh# qep) \fc~h fid A hfd rhft re `fcced the @eit|fc Bf|fbe fid re hfd ou| ori lu||op ai

the |f`e# fid ewe|qlodq f|ouid he|e hfd f lu||o ai the |f`e)

\M; Fid the @eit|fc Bf|fbe rfp rhe|e the Phecc ptftaoi ap?

P@; Thft"p |abht) At rfp f lab oie) Theq to|e dori thft luacdaib)

\M; A roide| rhq theq dad thft)

P@; A doi"t jior)

\M; Tecc up pome mo|e flout thft gcood ai the ^fifmait# Pfm)

P@; Oh# re kupt gaiaphed the |ofd) At reit u~ the|e# fid qou `oucd d|awe u~ rath f `f|) Fid at

`om~cetecq tooj out the |ofd g|om u~ ft the maie `cef| dori to Pu|~|ape @fiqoi)

\M; A"we iewe| leei u~ the|e) Ap ^fifmait ft the hefd og Pu|~|ape @fiqoi?

P@; @cef| u~ oi to~: qep)

Othe| Woa`e; He|e"p hor theq tooj the o|e out)

\M; Rhft rfp the ga|pt aida`ftaoi qou hfd og f rfcc og rfte| `omaib dori?

P@; Re re|e d|awaib u~ the |ofd boaib home fid re coojed u~ the|e# fid the|e rfp thft lab

4>-goot o| mo|e goot rfcc og rfte| rath |o`jp `omaib dori fid qou `oucd pmecc at: oh& Fid at

rfp f te||alce ioape) F |of| - kupt f te||alce |of|) Re ~f|jed the t|u`j fbfaipt the rfcc# fidlehaid f tu|i) Fid fcc at dad rfp gacc at gucc og rfte| fid ewe|qthaib: at dadi"t |uai at) At rfp kupt

hfibaib the|e)

\M; Dad qou hfwe to bet out og the|e ai f hu||q?

P@; Oh# re dad) The rfte| rfp `omaib |abht u~ oi up)

\M; Dad qou bet ret?

P@; Kupt oi f``ouit og the te||alce |fai) A ~uphed mq mothe| fid ^hacca~ Capce cagted he| u~ owe|fid ~uphed he| oi owe|)

\M; Hor coib dad at tfje the rfte| to bet lq?

P@; A"d pfq fi hou|)

\M; Fi hou|)

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P@; Thft"p fcc) Thft"p hor gfpt at boep) Loucde|p fp lab fp `f|p) Mq mothe|"p ~fpped frfq lut

^hacca~ Capce ap ptacc fcawe - he fid A re|e |abht ai at# rath mq mothe|) At"p f bood thaib at doi"t `ome

gfpt) He rfp d|awaib# Mothe| rfp pattaib ai the maddce# fid he p~ui thft t|u`j ai |ewe|pe u~

fbfaipt f rfcc) Lut at rfp lehaid the tu|i to the lab cedbe out ai g|oit og at) Re tooj ogg fid

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`oucd pee p~f|jp gcqaib# lut qou `oucdi"t pee ) )

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