77413810 John Rees Interviews Gary Allen

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a iza i s i c u i g C u ci he Rev ew O The NEWS Feb ua 27, 1 80

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Bea h Ca fo n a 90 40) at $4 95.Q M A len, you have been n

ves ga ng and w ng abou heU S anc a:, ndus a and polca e e o nea ly 20 yea s In exam n ng he nne c cles o economc powe n Ame ca pa cu a yhe a e a Comm ss on and hemuch o de Counc on o e gn Relaons you we e p e y much alone

un ecen y hen s a ng w hhe c ose o J mmy Ca e 's s

yea as P es den a numbe o acles began appea ng n mass-c cua on magaz nes a s ng se ous

ques ons abou h s el e and sn e es g oups Recen ly a massnewsmagaz ne no ed ha Geo geBush's membe sh p n he a e aComm ss on may d squal y h m nhe eyes o mos an and le Repubcans How d d h s change n he

pub c s awa eness o he a e aComm ss on come abou ?A t has been the esult of a s ow

and a eful edu at on p o ess We d dthe esea h and a d the g oundwo kand wa ed. As we d d so J mmy Cate a po nted a s o e o so of ate -! s s to the top posts n h s Adm n-st at on o deny the a tho ty of ou

ana ys s wh h had p ed ted th s, be-ame mo e and mo e d ff ult. to ldn t be gno ed. hose who t ed todo so ooked ke J mmy D ante t y-ng to s ea a us e ephant, gett nga ght, and espond ng: What ele-

phan "n sho he s t at on be ame too

obv ous o gno e and people an out ofat ona at ons.

Q How d d you become nvolvedn nves ga ng he T la e al g oup

A My nte est n powe st t eesea h dates ba ong befo e Dav dRo kefel e o gan ed the late alComm ss on n 972 ts m ed ateante edents a e the Co n l on Fo e gnRe at ons (C F R and the B lde be -ge s he fo me a se et ve g oupof Ame an based banke s, a ade

s and nd st al sts that has ont olled S fo e gn pol y s n eF ankl n Roosevelt he latte , eq allyex us ve and se et ve s omposedof top n te States and Eu opeanbanke s and o po ate and pol t alleade s. he Coun l on Fo e gn Re at ons has been un f om New Yos n e ts found ng afte Wo ld Wa he B lde be ge s have been se e lymeet ng ann a ly at plush nte na-t ona spas fo the past 28 yea s to

oo d nate e onom omme al andpo t a po eshe f st of the post wa w te s to

exam ne the Coun l on Fo e gn Rela-t ons and the pol es t advo atedp omoted, and eventua ly t ned ntooff al S pol y was Dan Smootwho pub shed he In i ible G e n-men n 963 h s mpo tant book wasessent al y a efe en e man a on thest u tu e of the C F R , l st ng tsmembe sh p, ts satell te o gan zat ons,and ts goals

he next majo b ea kth ough wasdeveloped by Don Be who had beenpub sh ng a news ette fo 27 yea s onse et a angements and ag eementsmade by the nte nat onal bank ngomm n ty Bell obta ned and ex

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er e se s f Pr fess r Carr lu ey s 50 a e T aged And

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a a g u ey r ve ey a eQ What was so special abo t the

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e C u l F re Rela s el ee a e e r u v a arvar ,Pr e Yale a e Ge r e wS l f F re g Serv e A e wass rus e a e was ve a ess

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e g a es es f e U.S.G ver eQ st why was the Tr lateral

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y a e C ss was e -rely e ea f Dav R efel er

w s a r a f C ase Ma a aBa T e Tr la eral s s say R efel-

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ss was era u er efel er ass a e Z ew Br e sBlu e al a Br e s , f ursewere la er ve res e ve -r l f Treasury a Na al Se ur y

u er e Car er A s ray Car er s j r u e

Tr la eral C ss .Q Yo covere the 1976 Carter

campa gn as a jo rnal st and wroteyo r ook Jimmy Carter/Jimmyarter to warn that the Carter campa gn was a wholly owned Rocke eller s bs d ary How did a l o thatwork

A F rs , Dav R efeller e aers al y as a u f r a su a lea w ul e a v a le a a e

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p g essive" S u he n g ve n whc uld s und b h C nse va ive andibe al a he same ime and c u

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R ckefelle had educed his is wsuch candida es F ida g ve nReubin Askew and f me Ge giag ve n immy Ca e They we e in-vi ed dine wi h avid R ckefelleand T i a e al adminis a Zbig iewzezinski a R ckefe le s Ta y wn

New Y k es a e. immy Ca e ghe n d s n af e wa d.

As Zbigniew zezinski a e pu iin an in e view e [h nd vidR ck f l ] we e imp essed wi h Cae " ha imp essed hem was n his

independence.Q Bu I remember ha even

ormer governor erry San ordmade an abor ve ry or he Presden a nom na on dur ng h s per od Why d d Askew and San orda l where mmy Car er succeeded?

A Appa en ly R ckefe e andzezinski h ugh Ca e was m eeliable Ca e sh wed ve whe mingambi i n And he was p ssessed f hekind f u hlessness ha avid andhis f iends unde s and. This made

hi vulne able. inc uded c nnivingwi h his wn pe s nal banke eLance funnel he m ney f bankdep si s in he Ca e peanu busi-ness and in he bank acc un s fLance ass cia es and family membe s finance Ca e s campaignwhile wai ing f ma ching fede afunds. The illegali ies we e en ugh send he wh le gang ai And heThe R v ew O he NEWS, Febr ry 27 1 980

key exp su e was in he hands favid R ckefelle and his fe l w

banking inside sQ S " mmy Who mov d on

become Pres den o he U S a es

A ha was especial y in e es ingf me wa ch as a j u na is was heway in which he ma media pa ic-u a ly im magazine p m ed Cae . Af e im dev ed a f a e ing1971 c ve ph him as a p g es-sive S u he n g ve n i used hac ve h in a f . im ' ads inhe magazines h ugh 975. imep s n he Ca e campaign we e sadula y ha hey c uld sca cely bediffe en ia ed f m he campaign swn i e a u e And heavy p m i nwas g ing n a a ime when p lssh wed nly five pe cen f egis e edem c a s fav ed a e f he

n mina i n. If ha s unds y u likea ep ay f wha is happening wi hGe ge ush an he T ila e alisy u a e ca ching n

Q Wha does he r a eralgrou do? ha s, wha unc ondoes serve?

A The pu p se f he T i a e alC mmissi n and a s f he a geand de C unci n F eign Rela i ns

and i de be ge g ups, is use c n-cen a ed wea h e e w d p weThe individua s inv lved a e he m sinf uen ia f a he d b y ne -w ks u side he S vie Uni andRed China

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v e Governmen newspaper Izvestiadel ver a commen ary over axpayer f nded Na onal P bl c Rad o

recommend ng prec sely s ch abody. B en aven here beenc arges a wha he Tr la eral s sand Co nc l on Fore gn Rela ons nend s e r own vers on of soc al sm

a ey seek s a e con ro overe economy and over broad areas of

people s l ves ha now are a ma erof nd v d al c o ce

A Ye t i er elite o i ter -tio ker m lti tio l i-e e e ti e t eir i e t o romote o i i m T i it e e t o tr i tio t t eei e m y Ameri A ter if

i e me ker re t em i t y o o r Free ter ri e y -tem ow t e igge t mo tim ort t o t em ort o i i m?

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Q Ge ng back o he omes cmach na ons of h s el e Mr Allen no e you have wr en ha members of h s n erna onal nanc algang have for years con rolle heg an bank ng f rms, he U S. eeral Reserve, an he U S Treasury

A R g t.Q s ha why we have such er

r ble econom c problems? We haveouble g nfla on; unemploy

men r ses as g o s we use are morean more pro uce abroa ; ourmoney s flow ng overseas more anmore no us for o l, bu o buy allsor s of o her goo s ol er Amercans l v ng on xe ncomes an onsav ngs are be ng w pe ou Wha sgo ng on?

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Q You men oned he leadersh po Dav d Rocke eller o Chase Manha an n n erna onal bank ng andas ounder o he Tr la eral Comm ss on The new ederal Reserve cha rman, Paul Volcker, s a Tr la eral sand long me Chase Manha an execu ve ha s he rela onsh p ohe Tr la eral s s o n erna onalend ng ns u ons l ke he M ?

A. Th B g F v N w Y k C tyba ks a al u by m mb s f thC F R a d th T lat al C mm ss

he Rev ew O The NEWS, Fe ru 2 , 980

Th s a d a f w smal . bas dp vat t a s at al ba ks had by thb g g f th Ca t Adm st at l a d m tha $52 b ll tTh d W d a d s m C mmu stc u t s ma y f wh ch w a adyhav g a ha d t m pay g just th

t st t al th p c pal thT lat al sts d ma d d a d g t a

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Q How d d he Tr la eral s spush ha one hrough Congress?

A a ly 1977 th y c at d a wl bby g ga at call d N w D

ct s Th ma s t t b sp s bf ts t al ga g was th R vd Th d H sbu gh cha ma

f th R ck f ll F u dat p sd t f N t Dam v s ty a d am mb f th Am ca C mm tt ast W st Acc d that push s c dt sal s f u t ch l gy t th C mmu sts. H sbu gh a d tw th v yp m t Ca t Adm st at o Tat al sts c ta y f tat Va ca d ch f A ms C t l g t atPaul Wa k h p d s t up th wD ct s bby g f th T lat alp g a t xpa d t at al l d

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com uter ta e money are a b g rea-son that n lat on s now ram antaroun the wor .

Q I he Trila eralis s and heirriends have been so in en on de

mone izing gold, why has he priceaken o and remained in he rangeo $ 00 $700 an ounce?

A The bankers es ec ally the cen-tral bankers have always hate golbecause t s a strong check on n at on But they make the r money bylen ng money at nterest Pa er bank-notes or g nal y were ssue by n -v ual banks base on col ateral suchas a house or arm le ge as secur tyor a oan Now we must eal w th theunl m te n at onary ca ac ty o theS Government It causes n lat on

by mass ve e c t s en ng that snance by the sale o s ec al bon s

to the Fe eral Reserve wh ch thenr nts a er money base on thesea er assets. As a resu t o th sesca at ng rocess the ollar s worthless an ess every year.

A lot o Arab an she ks an thegovernments o o l ro uc ng countr es oun the r own assets namelym l ons o .S ollars were os ngva ue One o the th ngs they to

rotect themselves was to start buy nggo . A ter al why shou the Sau se change the r o l asset or S. a erassets o stea ly ecl n ng va ue?They are now buy ng go wh chruns u the r ce o e rec at ng o -lars ven the uro ean an a anesecentra banks have gone back to treat-ng he r go reserves as the real store

o value When stra e or un she Rev ew O he NEWS, Febr ary 27, 980

they have been e g ng the r gol orcurrency loans rather than sell ng tItaly an a so Portugal th s recently.

Q Wha abou impor s and hede ci s n our balance o pay en s?

A I you want to un erstan thatlook at where Dav Rocke eller sutt ng nvestments. They are not

be ng lace n the n te States. TheTr ateral sts are u te ha y to seethe n u tr al ca ab ty o the n teStates run own stu t y a col-la se hey have alrea y sa thatthey see the uture role o Amer canot as a great manu actur ng nat onbut as rov ng serv ces an ra s ngoo . In other wor s what Amer ca

w ll have or sale s sk l e abor newtechnolog cal es gns an agr culturalro ucts.

Q Do you hink here is any relaionship be ween he Car er Adminis ra ion s a acks on coun ries suchas Brazil Sou h A rica he Republic o China on Taiwan and Argenina and he Trila eral car el ypeprograms?

A Carter s b arre human r ghtsol c es have been use as the rete tto cut o sa es o ca tal goo s uchas mach ne tools nuc ear ower ant

reactor echnology ue an e u -ment to those countr es A l o themare r s ng n ustr al owers w th ast-grow ng manu actur g ca ab l t esAl our o the countr es you name aremore or less current y e en en on om orts to ue the r n ustr es. Nu-clear ower ants woul ob ous ymake them more n e en e t anwoul g ve them a great y ncrease

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a a y a d a gi David R ck -f a d m a p aa mp i g a g fu u c mp i i c ad

S u Af ica i a p cia y uga d i d p d u c ack i a g u c f g d f W d a d u c f ma y a -

gic mi a f g v m ca b d y d ug CaAdmi i a i a fu u Bu Ad-mi i a i a d f m fa xi b ack G v m i i a dby W p w S viy u ca b a mi ma ag m p icy wi vi ua y cu ff p duc-i f g d avi g U S S R a c f w d upp i .Q Why would he T a e al s s

back bo h mmy Ca e and Geo geBush n he same e ec on? Is h sl ke he ocal bus nessman whosends $100 o bo h he Democ a cand Republ can cand da e fo Cong ess n an effo o assu e access?

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Q Why would he T la e a s sand Dav d Rockefelle back Ca eand Bush as P es den al cand da esove say Teddy Kennedy o Sena oackson o Ronald Reagan?

A T y wa a ca d da w ii d b d y m v T yav a way u d ca dida wp ak f id ifiab c i uc a d w u d b xp d by u

i g agai c i u ci S a- dy i i Fa L fwi g f D m c a ic Pa y ap vi u y upp d ug c-Ca y a d G g cG v S a

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Q Why have Reagan and Connally begun a ack ng he T la e aComm ss on?

A T ca dida campaig gf P id cy d ad iaudi c y f w m a d ap-p a pub ic pi i Wi m a dm pub ic awa f i f u-c b g wi d d by p w i

i i g d p i ic ai qu iab u i T i i fi b cau ic a ik i d a ca di-

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