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elcser: ''The House will come to order. Invocation by Dr.

Johnson.''

r. Johnson: ''It has been o'rdained by Your wisdome Oh Gode

that we who live in this land are not only subject tothe power of government but also participate in establishin

khose laws by which this power is exercised. Wrapped in

the blessing of this freedom is this dual and difficult

responsibility. Give us: Lord: to know that the good

laws we make are not our laws simply to do with as we

please. They have Your hallowed instancy upon them as

they become part of the ordinances of this commonwealth.

Give us to know, also, Oh Lord, that when we make bad

laws we are flouting Your Majesty and inviting Yourvisitation upon our unfaithfulness. Teach us therefore,

to bow before Your wisdcm daily, so that we may be

qoverned by Your holy will and enact such legislation as

will bring Your favor upon us and upon our people. Hear

us# Almighky Godg nok because You are Lord of a11 the

nations, buE because You are our only Redeemer and Savior.

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Telcser: ''Roll Call for attendance. Messages from the Senate.

Fred Selcke: ''A message from the Senate by Mr. Fernandezy

Secretary. Mr. Speakery I am directed to inform the

House of Representatives that the Senate has passed the

Bills of the following title and the passage of which

I am instructed to ask concurrence of the House. Senate

Bill 288, 704, 1146 passed the Senate June 7, 1973.

Edward E. Pernandez, Secretary. Mr. Speaker, I am directed

to inform the House of Representatives that the Sehate

uoncurred with the House in the passage of the Bill of

the following title. Housg Bill 56, 69, 128, l51 passed

the Senate June 7, 1973. Edward E. Fernandez, Secretary.

Mr. Speaker, I am directed to inform the House of

Representatives that the Senate concurred with the House

in the passage of the Bill of the following -title.

Rouse Bill l59 together with the following Amendments

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2. Il ld the Senate as amendêd June 1. 1973. Edward 1passe

Fernandezg Secre'tary. Mr. Speakere I am directed to

inform the House of Representatives that the Senate has l

concurred with the House in the passage of the Bill of

the following title. House Bill 158 tcgether with the

following Amendments passed the Senate as amended June 7,

1973. Edward E. Fernandez, Secretary. Mr. Speaker, I

am directed to inform the House of Representatives that

the Senate has ccncurred with the House of Representatives

in the passage of the Bill of the following title. House

Bill l22 together with the following Amendments passed the

Senate as amended June 7, 1973. Edward E. Fernandez,

Secretary. Mr. Speaker, I am directed to inform the

House of Representatives that the Senate has concurred

witb the House of Representatives in the passage ofqthe .

' Bill of the following title. House Bill 62 together with

the following Amendments and the passage of which I am

instructed to ask concurrence of the House passed khe

Senate as amended June 7, 1973. Edward E. Fernandez,

Secrekary. Mr. Speaker, I am directed to inform the .

House of Representatives that the Senate has passed and

aoacur witll 'the Hou.lep of Represenkatives in khe Jassztge

of the Bill'of the following title. House Bill 55

together wikh the following Amendments. Passed the Senate

as amended June 7, 1973. Edward E. Fernandez, Secretary.

Mr. Speakerg I am directed to inform the House of'

Represenkatives that the Senate has concurred with the

House of Representatives in the passage of the Bill of the

following title. House Bill 43 together with the following

Amendments passed the Senate as amended June 7, 1973.

Edward Pernandez, Secretaryv'' '

Telcserz ''Committee Reportso''

Fred Selcke: 'tMr. Washburn from Appropriations to which House

Bill 1542 was referred reported the same back with

Amendments thereto with the recommendation that the

Amendments be adopted and the Bill as amended do pass.I

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298 and 367 were referred reported the same back with

Amendmepts thereto with.the recommendation Ehat the '1

. IAmendments be adopted and the Bills as amended do pass. I

Mr. Capuzi from Human Resources to which Senate Bill 358' was referred reported the same back with Amendments

thereEo With the recommendation that the Amendments be

. adopted and the Bill as amended do pass. Mr. Capuzi from

Human Resources to which Senate Bills 373, 410: 545, 555

and 792 were referred reported the same back with the

recommendakion that the Bills do pass. Mr. Capuzi from

. Human Resources to Which Senate Bill 392 was referred

reported the same back with Amendmenks thereto with the

recommendation that the Amendments be adopted and the

Bill as amended do pass. Mr. Capuzi from Human Resources

ko which Senate Bills 436, 437, 438 and 439 were referred' reported the same back with the recommendation that the

Bills do pass. Mr. Capuzi brom Human Resources to which

House Resolution 279 was referred reported the same back

' with the recommendation that the Resolution be adopted.

Mr. Capuzi from Human Resources to which Housq Resolution

2û0 was referred reported the same Tlack witll thq

recommendakion that the Resolution be adopted. Mr.k

Capuzig man, Capuzi was working, wasn't he: from Human '

Resources to which House Resolution 281 was referred

' reported the same back with the recommendation that the

' Resolution be adopted. Mr. Rose from Judiciary I to

which Senate Bill l03 was referred reported the same back

with khe recommendaEion Ehat the Bill do not pass. Mr.

Rose from Judiciary to which Senate Bill l99 was referred

reported the same back with the recommendation' that the

Bill do pass. Mr. Rose from Judiciary I to which Senate

Bills' 232, 266, 749 were referred reported the sane back

with the recommendation that the Bills do pass. Mr. Rose :Ifron Judiciary I to which Senate Bills 345 and 346 were

Ireferred reported the same back with Amendments thereto

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with the recommendation that the ahèhdments be adopted and

the Bills às amepded do pass. Mr. Rose from Judiciary I I

to which Senate Bill 467 was referred reported the same

back with the recommendation that the Bill do not passm'' iï

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Telcserz ''Agredd Resolutions.'' ;

' Selcke: î'House Resolution 397. Dunn. House Resolution 399. I

Madigan, et al. House Resolution 400. vMadigan et a1.I

House Resolution 401. McLendon et a1. House Resolukion Ii

' 402. Choate et'al. House Resolution 403. Leinenweber et ' !i

al. House Resolution 404. Porter et a1.'' '

Telcserz ''The gentleman from Cook, William Walsh: on the

' Agreéd Rekolukionsol!

Walsh: ''Mr.'ispeaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House.

)House Resolution 397 congratulates Mr. and Mrs. Murray on'

their Gokden wedding Anniversaryt House Resolukion 399

congratulates Dr. and Mrs. Ernest Johnson on their 45th

Wedding anniversary. House Resolution, next onee joins...

asks us to joïn the students and faculty of Webber High

School in congrajùlating their baseball team in winningithe City of Chicago baseball championship. House Resolutio

401 by Representative McLendon congratulate Mr. Cyrus J.

Coulter upon his appointment as Professor of Creative .

- Writing at Norkhwestern Universiky. And House Resolution

. 402 congratulates Representative Toby Barry and his wife .

Janet who celebrated thèir 25th Wedding Anhiversary on June

5the 1973. A*d THouse Resolution 403 by Representative

, Leinenweber does this, it resolves that the House of

Representatives of the 78th General Assembly that the Speak

of Ehis Honorable body direct the doorkeeper and his

assistants to open the window blinds of the east and west

phalanxes of the windows each day in 'a seqence opposite

the actual movement of the sun so that we that sit and

legislate in the publics name maye at leaste in these 'early

days of Sttmm'er enjoy the physical and esthlc bmnefits ofdirect or even indizect sunlight and that's Representative

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r 'Leinenweber ahd we sure appreciate it. And House Resolutiol

404 by Representative Porter congratulates our colleague

Jim Mccourt on his 49th birthday which was yesterday andy 'i more importantly his 27th wedding anniversary which is toda .

We all congrakulate Jim. Mr. speaker, I move the adoption

of the Agreed Resolutionsa''

Telcserz l'Is there any discussion? The gentleman's offered

to move the adoption of thp'pAgreed Resblutions. All in

favor signify by saying aye, opposed no, and the Resolution

are adopted. Senate Bills Third Reading. For what purpose

does the gentleman from Moutrie, Representative Stone,

arise?''

Stone: NMr . Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen . I would like to

quspend tbe appropriate rules to call Senate B.i3.l 11 76 out,

of order.''!

Telcser: OThe gentleman has moved the suspension of rule 37I .

. . . . . . ..to go out of numerical../equence. On the order of

h' Senate..Bills Third Reading, on call Senate Bill 1176. Al1

in favor of khe qentleman's motion signify by voting ayee

the opposed by voting no, It will'take 107 votes. Have al

voue; Mho Gish? Take'rhe recordu Gn this queakion l07 ay'e ,

. 14 naysy and the gentleman's motion prevails. On the order' of Senate Bills Third Reading appears Senate Bill 1176.9'

Selcke: ''Senate Bill 1176. An Act making a supplemental

appropriation to the Department Of Revenue. Third Reading

Of the Bill.1>

Telcser: ''The genileman from Moultriee Representative Stoneo''

Stonek ''Mr. Speaker, I would like leave to take this Bill back

to Second Reéding for purposes of offering an amendment. I

beriève Representàtive Washburn has the amendmento''

Telcser: 'lAre the:e any objections? Hearïng none.f'

Selckez ''Amendment #l. Washburn. Amends 1176 on page 1, line

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Telcser: ''The gentleman from Grundy, Representative Washburn.''

Washburn: ''well, thank you Mr. speakers and Ladies and GentlemeI

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:g' ' .o the House. Amehdment #1 reduces the amount from 25 mill on

to 15 million. I think this is a good example of why

. appropriation Bills shouldn't by-pass committee: as this on

did. The reason for the reduction is that the Department o

Revenue can only expend 15 million before June 30th of fisc l

year 73. The 10 million that's being deleted from this Bill

will be incorporated into fiscal year 74 Department of

Revenue Bill and the amountèof money will eventually be

the same, so I 'd move the adoption of amendment 41.:.

Telcserz I'Is there any discussion? Gentleman has moved the

adoption of amendment #1 to Senate Bill 1176. All in favor .

o, t:e adopeton szgn4,y sy saylng aye- tue opposed no. vhe

amendment is adopted. Are theke further amendments? Third

Reading. The Bill has been raad a Third time, now the

gentleman from Moultrie, Mr. Stone, with reference ko Senat

Bil l 1176 . ''

Stone: #'Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen. This Bill appropri tes

15 million dollars to the Department of Revenue so that the. can continue making incone tax refunds through June 30th.

I would appre*'iate your affirmative voteoî'

t'elcseri ttls kheue any' dïscusslon: Quesdicn is shall Senate '

. Bill 1176 pass? Al1 in favor signify by voting aye, the

opposed by voting no. Have a1l voted who wish? TaRe the

record. On this question l23 ayes. no nays, and this Bill

having received the constitutional majority is herebydeclared passed. OK, go to the Speakers table. On the

Speakers Table appears House Resolution 304. For which

purpose the gentleman fron Mane, Representative Grotbergy

is recognized. 'Representative Grotbergpltdo you wish to 'put

a motion in reference to your Resolution 3047'' ' '

Grotberg: ''Yes, Mr. Speaker, I would move the adoption of

Resolution 304. Resolution 304 simply mandates the Toll

Road Authority to get busy and solve the problem of the

unmanned toll booths automatic coin devlces that are so ofke

lnoperative and So often embarassing to motorists who have ''''' I

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Telcser: ''The gentleman f rom Cook, Represenkative Sheay do you

seek recogùition, sir?''

Bhea: ''No# I'm fine.''

Telcser: ''OK. Is there any discussion? The gentleman has

offered that the House do adopt the Resolution 304. A1l

in favor of the gentleman's motion signify by saying ayer

the opposed no. The Resolùiion is adopted. The Clerk

tells me that the Senate Bills are piling up againy so if

we have House sponsors who are going to pick up these Senat

Bills please cone up to the Clerks desk, and give him your

names and we'll be able to read them a first time today.

On the Speakers Table appears House Joint Resolution..al

guèss the sponsor doesnkt want it called. Representative

Katz on the floor? Let's go 'to the Order Consideration

postponed. On the order of...on the order of Consideration

postponed appears House Bill 1797. For that purpose the

gentleman from DeKalb, Representative Ebbesen, is recognize .e'

Ebbesen: f'Mr. Chairman, I would like'leave to take this back

to Second Reading for purpose of an amendment.''

Telcserf %Is there any objection? Hearing nonee House Bïll 17 1

is on the order of Second Reading. Will the Clerk please

read the amendment.''

Ebbesen: ''Mr. Chairman, the amendmentopo''

Telcser: ''Let the Clerk read the amendmentowvhold on a second.'

Selcke: d'Amendment #2. Ebbesen. Amends House Bill 1797 as

amended'on page 1, by striking lines 27 through 31.':

Telcser: ''Gentleman fron DeKalb, Representative:ibbesen.''

Ebbesenz ''Yes, Mr. Chairman, the amendment eliminates the

provislon for the prosecution of any officer or employee

who recklessly failed to file a statement wâthin the prescr bed

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Telcser: ''Is there any discussion? Gentleman's offered to mov

the adoption of amendment #2 to House Bill 1797. Al1 in

favor of adoption signify by saying aye, opposed no. The

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amendment is adopted. Any further amendments? Third Readi g.

The Bill has been read a Third Eime, the gentleman from !

DeKalb, Representative Ebbesen.fê II

Ebbesen: ''Mr. Chairman, and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. 'tHouse Bill 1797, as amended, amends the Illinois Governmen- !

tal Ethics Act. Now the Illinois Constitution provides tha

the General Assembly by law shall prescribe a reasonable

time for the filing of the'statements of economic interests'

and quoting. 'the failure to file a statement within the

statement prescribed shall result in ineligibiliky for or !

forfeiture of office.e Now basically, House Bill 1797'

especially now after having been amended twice, once .in

committee and once this morning in the House Ploor, does. . !

amend khe Ethics Act and spells out the constitutional :

penalty for the failure to file a statemeht of economic

interests. It also amends the Act to include certain

position of public employeeswwwemployment to comply with

a 1972 opfnion of khe Attorney General and makes ik clear ' I

that both public officials and certain employees who fail

to comply are ineligible for or must forfeit that particul:. q w ' , 1

office or position of employment whichever the case may be. '

I woùld encourage everybody's support for House Bill 1797..'

Telcser: ''The gentleman from Cooke Representative Lundyoe

Lundy: ''Thank you Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Hous .

IIm a'liktle distressed that the membership doesn't seem to

be .listening. It seems to me that this is a Bill of really

extrodinary importance to the Memberszdf the House and othe

as well. If Ehe sponsor would yield for a questiony I'd

like to try to clarify something with himp''

Telcser: ''He indicates he will.''

Lundy: f'Joe, am I correct that this Bill rather than imposing

very drastic penalties, in fact, provides by law for penalti s

which in some cases would be less drastic than those require!ù

. nder the constitution?''

Ebbesen: ''It's the same as the constitution.''

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Lundy: 'W7e1l, then the purpose of the Bill is simply ko

specify the procedures to be followed in imposing the '

constitutionally required penalties.''

Ebbesen: ''Thàt is correct. IE brings into compliance with the

constitution.''

Lundyz ''Thank you very muchp''

Telcser: 'tThe gentleman fron Cookz Representative Sheao'' 1!

Shea: Nifill the sponsor yield for a question o r two?l'

Telcser: ''Indicates he Fil1.''

Shea: ''Since wedve talked about this last, I've had occasion

to try and find ouk some infornation. I talked to John

Hoppercamp in the Secretary of State's office and he tells

me thak there are 675 people who filed kheir ethics

statement on May lst or after. I see by this mornings

paper that the Stateîs Attorney in Will County filed lawsui s

against 74 people on a selective basis. Now, I didn't quit

understand that selective basis maybe one of the gentlemen

from Will can explain that to me.''

Ebbesen: ''Well...uh...that was the first time, relative to the

implementakion of this parkicular section of the Ethics ;

. Act. anr: nl scl tà'.e cor ski tution and .t.s& purpose ,nf this 5.s .

spelled out very clearly for the future and we also did

pass a Bill out of *he House within the past month at which

time in the future when we filee anyone files for public

office, they will receive notice that they are to file a. . ' . .

. statement of economic interest.''

Shea: ''Yese I understand that. What about khis Bille I thinke

ke would have a very dire effect on 675 people in State

#overnment, it would have on at leasty if I 'm to believe

the information in this mornings paper, 74 eople in WillP

County and Lord knocs how many other people throughout this '

State that, you know, are enployees and don't even know1

thèir supposed to file these thingso'' '1Ebbesen: ''Wellr Jerryz...uh...l don't khink this Bill is retro I

actfve, I don 't think it goes back at the time this was don

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was the initial inception of this particular procedure. I

think this Bill is something khat looks inko the future

as opposed to going retroactive in its effect.''

Shea: HWel1, I still have problem with it, I want you Eo under

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Ebbesen: uAnd I appreciate that...uh...%'

Telcser: ''The gentleman from Buteau, Representative Barry o''

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,Barry: NJoe, now as I understand the dialoguey this suggesks !

that khe people who are employed and earn more than $20,000 I. live by the same rules that we who are elected are demanded !

Ito live by as suggested by the new constitution, ià that

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Ebbesenz ''Yes very simplys that's exactly what it iso''l

Telcser: Is there further discussion? Does the gentleman wish I

to close the debate?'' I

Ebbesen: ''I would justo..uh...in the interest of time, encoura e h

a yes vote on House Bill 1797.f1''

ITelcserr HQueskion is shall House Bill 1797 pass? A11 those. 1in favor siqnify by voting ayee the opposed by voting no.

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Record Representative Shea as voting present. Lauer aye.

Alright, there's a number of people who want to be recorded . 1as voting present yet. Kosinski present. Laurino present.

Kozubowski present. Brandt, Thompson, Leon, Houlihan, Do.

doulihan, Beatky, McLendon, Nardullie Jacobs, why don'E the

rest of you cone up to the clerk and he'll record you.

Jacobs, Lechowicz: Taylor:e..the Clerk can only wrike, he

can't write that fast, ok# and Lemke. Have all.powhat?

The machine isn't working..oo..ooothen the paper gets stuck

and doesn't come out on he roll call. Have a11 voted who'

jwish? Take the record. On this question l00 ayes, no nayse17 answerinq present. this Bill having received the consti-

Eutional majority is hereby declared passed. On the order 1of Consideration Postponed appears House Bill 978. For whic 1

1purpose the gentleman from Lake, Reprlsentative Matijevichis recognized.î'

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Matijevich: 'fMr. Speaker and' Members of the Housey this is ii11 which we thoroughly discussed some time ago 'a B

relating to the provision involvement in dispensing

of drugs. I want a1l of you to pay close attentionI

because when this Bill .was called on Third Reading I

mentioned that I would, because some asked mey amend it

to be a prohibition of fee splitting on drugs only.

However, some have talked to me and also I think Hause

Bill 979 which has been sent to the Senate can do that

lob. So those of you who'pthink that I am now going to

amend it to be a prohibition of fee splittiùg only, I .)

want you to know thak this is a more stringent Bill than

I had originally which eliminates the dispensing of

drugs by the medical practioner as outlined in the Act

and I would solicik your favorable support on House

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Telcser: ''Is there any discussion? The question isr the

G tleman from Cook, Representative Huskeyo'' 'en

Huskey: ''Mr. Speakery can I ask the Sponsor a question? Did

I understand correctly that you say that al1 the Bill

relates to now is fee splitting?''

Makijevich: 'fNo, I wanted to be clear with you, Representativ.1 .huskey, beeause 1 think you are one of them that I said

. 1 would probably amend it to be a prohibition of feet .

splitting only. But I would rather go up and downe up or

down on the more stringent Bill. There are enough pay

cards for the rural physicians, etc. and I think to be

a real viable Bill in relation ko getting the phyàicians

out of the drug dispensing business I would rather go

up or down on this Bill as it is.''

Huskey: ''Well, then I would like to speak on the Bill. Actùal y

we have a Bill here that is going to affect every medical

eenter in the State of Illinois that dispenses drugs

because in most cases the doctors pool their money togethe

ko build these medical centers that would not normally I

be built and in most cases they put a druq dispensinq' ''''' '''' '''' ''''' ''''' k

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unit in these medical centers. Nowr doesn't this make

sense that if you go to a doctor in a medical center that

you buy your medicine or drugs on your way out to go

home that you dâdn't have to go to some distant drug

store or pharmacy to get your prescription filled? And

this is going to hurt thousands and thousands of people.

It's also going to put a 1ot of people out of jobs and

in mast cases, whèn. I rise to oppose a Bill it's only

a Bill that is going to ppt a lot of people out of a

job. so I hope' that you people oppose this Bill also.''

Telcserz ''The Gentleman from Cookz Representative Douglas.l'

Douglas: ''Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen

of the' House, it's not easy since most of my medical'colleagues who have spoken to me tend to be opposed to

this Bil1 to stand up and to tell you that I think it's

very important that we vote for it and I would like to

explain why for those of you who have may have any

doubts at this point. First of alle it does not prevent

doctors in any way from dispensing drugs to their

patienEs. What it does ik prevents doctors from being

in a business that they are not prepared to be in and

, '''zhat. is selling dz.ugs to their pàeients and I can say

from enough experience that there is good reason why

doctors should not sell drugs. If they wish to give

drugs to their patients in line with the treatment that

they are administering I can tell you from enough

experience that Ehey can do it without losing one penny:

Doctors get drugs from pharmeceutical houses in abundance.

If a doctor wants 'o gfve a drug to a patient in llne

with treatment which he feels in any part of Illinois

is in the patient's best interest he doesn't have to be

in the drug business or in the pharmeceutical supply

business. I urge you to vote for this Bill for another

i h research tovery important reason. There s enoug

justify the conclusion that doctors who profit fromselling drugs tend to over-prescribe and tend to over-

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dispense and without any undue criticism of my fellow

practioners :r will say that this Bill will help dockors

f d Ito do the job they are trained or and that they shoulI

do. It will separate the two professions of medicine

and pharmacy. I think that the Bill fs desfgned for the

best interesk of the patient and I think that the fears

that have been expressed by Ehose who say doctors in

rural areas where there are drug stores not available

will not be able to do thpir business is unjustified.

They can give away drugs. they can get drugs in other

ways and I understand from Representative Matijevich

that there are protective parts in this Bill and anyhow

and I think this is a good Bill and you should vote for

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Telcser: ''The Gentleman from Lakeside, Representative

Miller . ''

Miller: ''Well, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the

Houseg according to the Calendar this Bill has not been

amended since we discussed it the other day and mye I

am also what this Bi1l ïs trying to do excepte except

Ladies and Gentlemen, we have enough trouble now

getting doctors in imr small villzsges and ci ties downstât '.

. This is going to magnify our problem. I would like to

be very specific. I have a small village in my district

where there is a family doctor. There is a small

counkry drug store. Thakfs all within 20 miles. This

doctor has no choice other than to carry his own supply

of drugs of those which the druggist refuses or is'

unable to maintain. What is going to happen if this

Bill passes in that area? This Bill, as I understand

it, does not provide for the dockor to furnish drugs in

those cases where the druggis: dces not have the necessary

' drugs available. That is the problemy Ladies and

Gentlemen. I know another village in my area in which

there is no drug store. In thak lnstance I understand .l

that Ehis Bill does solve the problem because then the

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doctor ean dispense drugs. But what about the case where

adequate drugs, khe one he needs to prescribe are not

available? Do you expeck every patient to drive 20

miles to buy drugs at the nearest drug skore where he

can buy the particular drug kha: is preseribed by theZ

. doctor? Letîs donft jeopardize the health of the people

in the small areas of Illinois. Let's vote this Bill

down.'' .

Telcser: OIs there further discussion? If not, the Gentleman...' I

from Cook, Representative Williams.'f

Williamsi'l, '' 'Thank you, Mr . , thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would

like to answer that Gentleman on that question. This

Bill will not at all prevent that doctor in the small

town there for dispensing the necessary medication to

his patient. I see what this Bill will do is in areas

where there are pharmaceutical servicesr it says Ehe

doctor cannot dispense these as long as there are

adequate pharmaceutical services. Not to eliminate the

small town doctor who wants to provfde that service for

his patients. What this Bill is it will prevent the,

let's say the exploitakion or the possible violation

of anti-trust thatr colzld ex1 st- sn otbc'r areas and ?: .

urge an 'ayel vote on this Bill. Thank youvM '

Telcserz ''The Genkleman from Marion, Representakive Stedelin.''

' Stedelin: ''Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Genklemen of the

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' House, it seems funny to me that a doctor don't know what

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in the heck he is prescribing. To me this is another

thing in the world for a Bill that'protects the druggist.

That's al1 it is. For instance, I happen to be on a '

certain medication. I go to a drug store. I pay 12/ for

thê same particular medication that I get from the doctor

ïn this community that that prescribes these pills for

9/. z think this Bill is nokhing in the world but aBill to help one particular class and T have relatâves ln

both class so you canît say itls a conflict of interest.

Thank you.'' '

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Matijevich: DI will only close by saying that the Bill hasthe protection for the rural physicians and they can

dispense where there are emergency situations, etc. and

also when you talk abopt the physician possibly selling

some drug for 9/ remembery he might not even dispenset

that drug for 9/ if he didn't know he is getting a

profit on it. There are'many, many people ha/ing drugs

prescribed to them for the simple reason that a physician

is getting a profit off of that drug and I think we'

jought to eliminate that. This Bill does it. I solicit '

. your support for House Bill 978.9,

Telcser: ''The queskion is, shall House Bill 978 pass. All '

those in favor signify by voting 'aye', the opposed; jby voting 'no'. Have a1l voted who wish? Take the 1

record. On this question there are 60 'ayes', 49 'nays' e

and this Bill having failed to receive a, Tuerk 'no',

having failed to receive a, Peters 'ayel, Ryan wishesto be recorded as voting SpresenEl and this Bill having

failed to receive a Constitutional Majority is hereby'

Ideclared lost. Nowl the Genkleman from Cook, Representati e j

IWâllïam Walsh with respect to one motion and then we wfll'

. go right back to considerations postponedv''

Walsh: 'fMr. Speakere in order'that Members who have Senate

Bills may se* them for Committee next weeke I move to

suspend the provisions of Rule 18 and that is the 6f1/2day posting rule for next week only so that Bills may I

be posted today and heard in the Tuesday, Wednesday or

Thursday Committees next week . So if we are successfule

if this motion prevails and I have every reason to think

it will and you have Senate Billse try to get them hf them and 1posted for next week so that we can dispose o

I so move, Mr. Speaker.''

Telcser: ''A1l right, the Gentleman from Cook, Representative

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Bill, is next wéek the final week for hearing Senate

Bills in Committee?'' : ll h ''No I don't believe so. No I think we can' hear 'Wa s : , ,

them the week after next also but...'' lWall: ''Yeah: but our Committee clerks were told that next :

week would be the last week...''

Walsh: I!I heard that rumor John. I donst think they are

correct . ''

Telcser: t'The Gentleman has moved to suspend our provisions

for Rule 18 for the purpose of haqing Senate Bills

posted for hearing next week. All in favor of khe

Gentleman's motion signify by voting gaye', the opposed

by voting 'no'. l07 votes. Have a1l voted who wish?

Take the record. Lemke 'aye'. On this question l35'

. , j'ayesl, no fnays' and the Gentleman's motion prevails. !On the order of consideration postponede Geo-Karis êayef,

on the order of consideration postponed appears House

Bill 1714 for which purpose the Gentleman from Cook,

Representative Phil Collins is recognizeda''

Collins: ''Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of' . ithe House. House Bill 1714 is a Bill which amends the

Chicago Piremenss Annuity Eund which would provide for'

k .an increase in the minimum benefits for widows of

firemen in the city of Chicago. This Bill received

either 84 or 85 votes last week and fell a little short

of passage berause some questions were raised as to the

cost of the program. Thanks to Representative Terzich

who presented me With some figures it now is indicated

that the cost would be minimal spread over the three

year period in addition to the fact that the fund did

have a substantial reserve in 1973 which would provide

ample funds for *he paymenE for Ehis increase out of

current revenue and I would ask for the favorable

consideration of the Houseo''

Teleser: ''Is there any discussion? The question is shall

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voting layev the opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted

who wish? Have all voted who wish? Take the record .

Telcser layel. On this question there are l05 'ayes',

3 'naysl and this Bill havihg received the Constitutional

Majority is hereby declared passed. Record Representativ

Martin as voting 'aye'. Taylor 'aye'. On the order of I

consideration postponed appears House Bill 1108 for I!

which purpose the Gentleman from Randolphe Representative

Springer is recognized.''

Springer: ''Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House,

House Bill 1108 repeals an Act relating to acquisitionsy

possession and transfer of firearns and firearms'ammunition. This Act has been in force for five years. '

The AcE hasrnöt reducèdr:cline' or' hohi*ide. The Act

has not increased the efficiency of the oepartment of

Law Enforcement. The Act has penalized over one million ' '

Illinois residents by compelling them to register as

a gun owner for $5.00 fees. Since this Act has had a

trial run for five years it has not really accomplished ,

anything. I kherefore ask you for your affirmakive

vote Cor 2he repeal of tlti s Act . '' '

Telcser: ''Is there any discussion? The Gentleman from. . . V

Cook, Representative Jaffeo''

Jaffe: ''Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House,

this Bill was subskanEially.beak back the last time

it was up. This repeals the Gun Registration Act. It

seems to me that we have worked for years to get a

' gun registration act in the State of Illinois. We have

finally got it and now this Bill tries to eliminate iE.

I think that this would be a step backwards for the 1ISkate of Illinois and would be disastrous. If you takeI

a look at the Committee it was assigned to it was i

assigned to the Committee on Agricultural Natural lI

Resources and I think that itîs rather skrange khak this I'

type of Bill got sent to that Committee and I think that

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the reason that it was sent to that Committee was only

because of the fact that that was the only Committee

that would pass out a Bill of this type. I would

therefore urge the defeaE of this Bill-''

Telcser: ''The Gentleman from Macoupiny Representative

Boyle.''

Boyle; '$Mr. Speaker, thatls the second tine that the

distinguished Genkleman from Cook county talked about

the Agriculture and the Cùnservation Committee of the

House. Now the first time he talked about it I didn't

say anything. But this time I am and there has been

some implications throughout the session that our

Committee hasnlt given Bills a fair hearing. I would

like to point out to the diskinguished Gentleman that

his Bills haven ' t done toc bad in 'lhat Cortmtlttlie this

session but I would suggest that if he keeps talking

that way his batting average may go down.''

Telcser: ''The Gentleman, Representative Jaffe, for what

Purposev..''

Jaffez >On a point of personal privilege. I would like to

tell my good friend from Macoupin that I only gok one

Bill outiof that Committee. I only had one Bikl before

that Committee and the way I got it out was io dischargethe Committeea''

Telcser: ''The Gentleman from Madison, Representative Kennedy.''

Kennedy: DMr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the

House, I rise to support House Bill 1108 and with my

distinguished seatmate dïrectly to my left in the front,

to remind him of the list of Sponsors on that Bill.

There is quite a number of bi-partisian support for

this Bill and Firearm Registration Act has been very

ineffective and I urge yaur support of this Bi11.''

Telcserz ''The Gentleman from Marion, Representative Stedelin.''

Stedelin: ''Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the

House, I happened to have been on the Conservation

Committee which is the same as We have now on the original

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Bill that we have gun registrations. It was heard fn

that Commitkee and I want you to know that the Committee

passed thls particular Bill out. I am sorry khat they11did but they did. So it's not the Committee that was !

to fault for it.''

Telcser: ''The Gentleman from St. Clair, Representative I

F'llnn . ''

Flinn: î'Well, Mr. Speaker, maybe I should ask you firsty !

is the rule still.in that. you are going to havv only; 1 I!

two proponents and two opponents today?l' . :

Telcser: ''Yes, we would like ko if we canw'l I

Flinn: ''Well, all right, then I will sit downa''

Telcser: ''Go ahead, I called on your Representativew''

jf !Flinn: A1l righk, I rise, I rise in support of this

Bill. It doesnît do a thing except cost the gun ownersI

a $5.00 bill. That's what it costs. It should have.

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Telcser: ''The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Ike Simsa''

Sims: ''Representative Springer, do yourrBill 'affect home

rule units? Do your Bill affect home rule units?'' !

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Telcser: ''The Gentleman from Kankakee, Representative i

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Beaupre: ''Mr. Speaker: I would like to ask the Sponsor a ' ï. I

question. When this Bill appeared on the floor the

last time and again today we have heard assertions by

the Sponsor and those who are for the Bill'that the

gun registration has not accomplished its purpose. That

. may very well be true but I Would like to have some

sort of response as to stastics or some argument in ;

that respect rather than just drawing those conclusions' 1and I haven't heard any. Neither the last time it was 1

discussed or this time.''

Telcser: ''The Gentleman from Randolphe Representative :

springer to close.''

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Telcser: 'lWho asked the question? 0hy I#m sorrye the

Gentleman from Randolph, do you wish to respond to his

question?'f

Springqr: ''Some of the stakistics, an informal telephone

survey of Illinois counties other than Cook indicates

that the counties have generally experienced six or .

fewer prosecutions for violations of a Firearms owne' r

Identification Act since 1968. The officers of the

Statefs Atkorney in these sample counties reported the

prosecutions for Violations of the Act are usually in

connection With another c' harge such as hunting without

a license, assault, robbery and so forth. Precise

statistics on the number of prosecutions for vidlations

of the Act are difficult ko obtain because the records

of the prosecution are filed in the Circuit Clerk's

office in chronological order without regard to this

type of offense. Obtaining precise information would

require searching every prosecution file since #68 and

checking every charge on each file. The impressions of

the Stateîs Attorneys and Circuit Clerks in the counties

sampled. however, 'vould saem to indicate thah the

prosecutions for violations of the Act occur at about

the rate of two per year in each county, mostly in

connection with other criminal chargesa''

Telcser: ''Representative Beaupre.''

Beaupre: ''Well, I think that answers the question as to how

many prosecutions there are and points up the activity

kowards Ehe enforcement of Ehis law but as I understand

it the gun registration 1aw was passed for the purpose

of keeping track of weapons and the experience in the

prosecution of the 1aw I don't think really addresses

itself to the real matter and that is# whether or not

weîre going to have some sort of record as to who

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Telcser: ''To close.''

Springer: NMr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of Ehe House,

when this Bill was heard in Committee it was posted as

according to the rules. There was no one from the

Departmenk of Law Enforcemente no one to testify as an

opponent. Thereforey I think, actually the Department

of Law Enforcement is not really interested in it and

I urge your affirmative vote. Thank you very much a''

Telcser: ''The question is shall House Bill 1108 pass. Allh

those in favor signify by voting laye', the opposed by

voting 'nof. Record Representative Kosinski as voting

'presentf.' Have all voted who wish? LaFleur 'aye'. '

Have a1l voted who wish? Take the record. Represenkativ ,

the Gentleman from Tazewell. Representative VonBoeckman

wishes bo explain his vote.''

VonBoeckman: ''I would like, Mr. Speaker, Mr. Speakerg Ladies

and Gentlemen of khe House, when this Bill was passed

five years ago ik was designed to curb crime and I

believe the statiàtics show that crixe has not been

curbed. I feel khat this has been a bad piece of

. legiàlation when it was passed by this Housey therefore,

. I will go back to the old saying, wise men change theïr

minds, fools never do and I hope we don't have a bunch

of fools. Thank you.n

Telcser: ''O.K.e Representative Harold Washington. O.K.,

Representative Taylory for what purpose do you risee sir?''

Taylor: ''Mr. speaker, I would like to be recorded as 'presentf.''

Telcser: uRecord Representative Taylor as voting 'present'.

Representative Barnes, for what, Barnes 'aye'.

Representative Washingtone did you seek recognition, sir2'%

Washington: ''HoW am I recorded, Mr. Speaker?''

Telcserz ''How is Representative Washington recorded?''

Fred Selcke: ''The Gentleman is recorded as voting 'ayef.''

washingtonz ''Fine, thank you.''

Telcser: ''All right, Representative Borchers, for what purpose

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l . 'jdo you risee sir? Therei are 88 votes right now.''1 !

Borchers: 'II would like to get a couple of other votes for

simple reasons. If you go back in the five years

including this year there has been a steady increase ïn

crime. This has not done a bit of good in relation to

the stopping of crime. A1l it has done is registered

the honest, legal gun owner. That is all. They are

skill legal people. The crimes are being committed by

unregistered guns. It's of no value Eo know and an

expensive ridiculous situation to just regùlate and

put down on paper the names of those that are honest

and keep their guns registered, or rather not the guns

but themselves. The thing ko do is to forget it. It's

the unregistered gun that is doing the killing and khey

are not about to register themselves. All yonêve got

to do is go look at the record. I have it ak home. The

decrease that is claimed in crime is actually from

traffic violations, not major crimes. That has increased

a1l over this State including suburban areas and

country areas.o

Telcser: ''Now there are currently 87 votes on the Roll Call.

The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Kucharski, for

what purpose do you rise?''

Kucharski: ''How am I recorded? Mr. Speakerg how am I...H

Telcserz ''How is Representative Kucharski recorded?''

Fred Selcke: ''The Gentleman is recorded as voting 'ayed. ''

Kucharski: ''Change that to 'nofw''

Telcser: î'Record the Gentlenan as voting 'no'. Representative

Duff, for what purpose do you rise, sir?''

Duff: ''To cast and explain my vote, Mr. Speakero''

Telcser: ''Proceed, siro''

Duff: ''It seems to me that to say to repeal this Act because

there are some guns used in crimes, is like saying' we

should not have locks on our doors because some houses

are burglarized. This Bill will repeal the effort of

the law enforcement people in Illinois to continue to

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skruggle to control one of the worst problems in our

day which is the handgun in particular. I vote 'no ' . ''

T lcser: ''Record Representative Duf f as voting ' no ' 'e .

Representative Macdonaldz for what purpose do you rise?''

Macdonald: ''How am I recorded as voting?''

Telcser: I'How is Representative Macdonald as voting?l'

Fred Selcke : OThe Lady is recorded as not voting . 1:

Macdonald: '' Record me as î no ' please . ''

Telcser: ''Record the Lady as voting ' no ' . Representative

Hunsicker, f or what purm se do you risez sir? ''

Hunsicker: ''I would like to explain my ' aye ' vote . Half of

what you read in khe acaounts in the newspapers over the

weekend, there wasn 1 t a handgun used in those three

murders on 1-57 . There was a 12 gauge shotgun and I

am slzre tllat wasn ' t registered . ''

Telcser: ''Representative Martin, f or whak purpose do you

rise?''

Martin: 'lMr . Speaker, how am I recorded?f'

Telcser: '' How is the Lady recorded? î'

Fred Selcke : ''The Lady is recorded as not voting . ''

Martin: ''Please record me as îayelw''

Telcser: ''Record the Lady as voting 'aye'. The Gentleman

fron Cook, Representative Jaffe-''

Jaffe: ''Mr. Speaker, whatîs the count?''

Telcser: ''The Gentleman now has 88 'aye' votes.''

Jaffe: ''O.K., if it reaches 89 Mr. Speakerp I would like to

have a verification of the affirmative Roll Call.''

Telcserz ''0.K., now is there anyone else who wishes to vote

on this Bill before we announce it? There are currenkly

88 votes. Representative Randolph, Representative

Taylor, for what purpose do you rise, sir?''

Taylor: ''Mr. Speaker: I would like to be recorded as voting

'aye' since this do not affect the home rule counties.''

Telcser: ''O.K., record the Gentlenan as voting 'aye'.

Representative Taylor. The Ckerk has got to sharpen the

pencil. A1l right, Representative, now currently khere

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89 Iayes' and 51 'nays'. The Gentleman from Cooky:

Representative Pleck, for what purposee a verification '

has been requested by the way. You have got 89 'ayes'

right now, Representative. Representative Springery

for what purpose do you riser sir?''

Springer: ''Mr. Speakery would you poll the absenteese please?''

Telcserz ''Yes, certainly. A1l right, the Gentleman has

requested a poll of the absentees. Will the Merhers

please be in their seats and khe Clerk will read the

absenteesm''

Fred Selcke: ''Arrigo, Capparellie Cartere Collinse Davis,

Dyere Epton, Farley, Garmisag Giglioe Granatae

Griesheimer.''

Telcser: ''Record aepresenkativ e Giglio as voting ' aye ' . n

Fred Selcke: 'fGranata, Griesheimer, Hart, Gene Hoffmane

R. Hollowayg Hyde, Kosinski, Krausee Lèinenwebere

Mccornick, Mccourtg McGahg McGrew, Mcpartline Philip,

Portery Rayson, Sangmeister, Springero''

Telcserz ORepresentative Springer has decided to vote for

his own Bill. Record the Gentleman as voting îaye%.''j . .Fred selckez f'Terzicho''

Telcser: ''One moment. Representative Beaupre, for what k

purpose do you rise sir?''

Beaupre: ''Mr. Speaker, I would like to change my vote to

f f 1#aye .

Telcser: ''Record Representative Beaupre as voking 'aye'.l

Fred Selcke: 'lThompsone J.J. Wolfe B.B. Wolfey Yourell, Mr.

Speakers''

Telcser: ''Representative Kosinski, for wha: purpose do you

rise, sir?''

Kosinski: ''Mr. Speaker, how an I recorded?''

Telcserz ''You should be recorded as voting 'Presentê I believ .*

Kosinskls ''Thank you, Mr. Speaker-''

Telcserz ''Does the Gentleman still persist in, ook. theI ceneleman has asked for a Verlfication of the affirmative

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Roll Call. Will the Members please be in their seais

and the Clerk will read the names of the affirmative

Roll Ca1l.''

Pred Selcke: ''Alsup, Anderson, Barnes, Barrye Beaupree Bprche s,

Boyle, Bradley, Brinkmeiery Brummet, Caldwellz Calvo ,

Campbell, Capuzi, Choate, Cox, Craig, Cunningham, Deavers,

Deuster, Diprima, Ralph Dunn, Ebbeseny Ewelle Fennesseyr

Pleck, Flinn, Friedland, Gibbs, Giglioy Giorgi, Grotberg,Hanahan, Harpstrite, Hirschfeld, Ron Hoffmane J3'mmy

Holloway, Hudson, Hunsickerg Huskey: Jacobse Emil Jonesy

Dave Jones, Jucketty Keller, Kennedye Kenty Klosake

Kriegsmang LaFleur, Lauer, Lenke, Londrigan, Martine

MdAuliffe, McAvoy, Mcclain: McLendon, McMasterg Kenny

Miller, Murphy, Nardulli, Neff, Northe Pappasy PatrickeRandzlph, Rigney, Roser Ryar,, Schislere 3chlicknan,

Sevcik, Sharp, Timothy Simms, Ike Simsg Skinnere Soderstro ,

Springer, stedelin, Stiehl, Stone, Taylor, Tipsword,

Tottene Tuerk, VonBoeckmany Waddell, Wall, Walters,

Washburn, Washingtonp''

Telcser: ''Are there questions of the affirmative Roll Call?

The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Jaffe.''

Jafêe: ''A1sup.''

Telcser: ''Representative Alsup is in his seat.g'

Jaffe: ''Brinkmeiero''

Telcser: ''He is in his seat.''

Jaffe: f'Bradley.''

Telcser: ''Is Representative Bradley on the floorz Representat've

Bradley? How is the Gentleman recorded?''

Fred selcke: ''The Gentleman is recorded as voting 'ayel.ê'

Telcser: ''Take him off of the Roll Ca11J%'

Jaffe: ''Calvoa''

Telcser: ''Representative Calvo? The Gentleman is in his

S O Z Y * î'

Jaffe: ''Choateo''

Telcser: ''Representative Choate? He is in his officey if you

insisE, we will go geE hima Do you sir?''

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Jaffe: ''Craig.'' '

Telcser: ''He is in his seat.''

Jaf f e: 11 Giglio . ''

Telcser: ''Representative Giglio is right here on the floor.''

Jaffe: I'Friedland.''

Telcsêr: ''He is in his seat.l'

Jaffe: ''Giorgi.''

Telcser: ''Representativ e Giorgi on the floor? How is

Representative Giorgi recorded?''

Fred Selcke) ï'Representative Giorgi is recorded as voting

9 a ye ' 91 .

Telcser: flTake him off of the Roll Call.'1

Jaffe: ''Hanahan.''

Telcser: ''Is Representative Hanahan on the floor? How is

the Gentleman recorded?f'

Fred Selcke: ''The Gentleman is recorded as voting 'aye'w ''

Telcserz ''Take him off of the Roll Ca1l.''

Jaffe: ''Harpstriteo''

Telcser: l'Is Representative Harpstrite on the floor? How is

*he Gqntleman recorded?''

Ered Selcke: ''The Gentleman is recorded as voting 'ayed.lk

Teicser; ''Take him off of the Roll Ca1l.'' '

Jaffe: ''Jn'mmy Holloway.l'

Teleser: MHe is in his seat .''

J f f e: ''Huskey. '' 'a

Telcser: ''Representative Harpstrite has just returned. PutHarpstrite back on . Now, Representative Huskey, is khe

Gentleman on the f loor? Is Representative Huskey on the

f loor? How i.s the Gentleman recorded?''

y'red Selcke : ''The Gentleman is recorded as voting î aye 1 . ''

Telcser: ''Take him of f the Roll Call .''

Jaf f e : ''Keller . ''

Telcser: ''He is standing in the aisle in the back . ''

Jaf f e: ''Klosak . ''

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Jaffe: ''Lemke.''

Telcser: ''He is standing right here by the electrician.''

EJaffe: ''McAuliffeo''

Telcserz f'Is Representative McAuliffe on the floor? He isIstanding up the center aisle.'' I

Jaffe: DMcMaster.''

Telcserz ''Is Representative McMaster on the floor? Represent tive

McMaster? How is the Gentleman recorded?''

Fred Selcke: tlThe Genkleman is recorded as voting 'ayed.''

t Telcser: OTake him off the Roll Ca11.''

Jaf fe: ''Murphy-''

Telcser: ''He is on the floor talking to Representative Walsh.''

Jaf f e : ''No rth . '' .

Telcser: ''Representative North is in his seat.''

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Jaf f e: ''Pappas . '' .

Telcser: ''Is Representakive Pappas on the floor? How is the .

Gentleman recorded?'' '

' Fxed Selcke: ''The Gentleman is recorded as voting 'aye'.''

. Telcser: ''Take him off the Roll Call. Now, Representative

Giorgi and McMaster have returned. Pappas is off.

, McMaste r alTd Giorgi have r. etuznad . Tlley +re taken ol'f -

of the Roll Call . They have now come back . Is

Representative Randolph on Ehe floor? How is Representati e

Randolph recorded?'f '

Fred Selcke: ''The Gentleman is recorded as voting 'aye'.g'

Telcser: 'lTake Representative Randolph off of the Roll Call.

Rose? Is Representakive Rose on the floor? How is the

Gentleman recorded?'' '

Pred Selcke: ''The Gentleman is recorded as voting 'ayelo ''

Telcser: ''Take him off of the Roll Call.''

Jaffe: 'fschlickmanv'' !

Telcser: ''The Gentleman is standing by his seatw''

Jaffe: ''Sevcik.''

Telcser: ''Is Representative Sevcik on the floor? How is the

Gentleman recorded?n

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Jaf f e : ''Stiehl . '' ' .

Telcser: 'lshe is in her seatwn

Jaffe: ''Tuerkw''

Telcser: MRepresentative Tuerk is sitting in his seat.''

Jaffe: ''VonBoeckman.''

Telcser: ''Representative VonBoeckman, is the Gentleman on

the floor? How is the Gentleman recordedz''

Fred Selcke: 'lThe Gentleman is recorded as voting 'ayed.''

Telcser: ''Take him off of the Roll Ca1l. 1#

Jaf f e : ''Taylor. '' .

Telcser: ''Is Representative Taylor on the floor? How is the

Gentleman recorded?''

Fred Selckez ''The Gentzeran is reccrdes as voting 'ayed.u

Telcser: ''Take him off of the Roll Call. Nowe Representative

Sevcik has returned to the floor. Sevcik has returned.*

Jaffe: ''Representative Wal1.''

Telcser: ''He is standing by his seato''

. Jaffe: 'lRepresentative Waddell.''

Telcser: ''Is Representative Waddell on the floor? He is

standizzg up the aenter aisle. Are there any more ''

questions? If none, what do you have Pred? Representati

Richard Carter, for what purpose do you rise, sir?''s

Carter: ''How am I recorded?''

Telcserz ''How is Representative Carter recorded?''

Fred Selcke: 'îThe Gentleman is recorded as not voking.*

Carter: ''Would you vote me 'ayel please?''

Telcser: ''Record the Gentleman as voting 'aye'. Representativ

Jaffme do you- -''

Jaffe: ''Representative Totten.''

Telcser: ''Is Representative Totten on the floor? Is this

the second time you asked? O.K., is Representative

Totten on the floor? How is.the Gentleman recorded?''

Fred Selcke: ''The Gentleman is recorded as voting 'ayel.''

' Telcser: ''Take him off of the Roll Call and put Representative

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purpose do you rise?''

t vonBoeckman: ''Mr. Speaker, I would like to bring attention. .

' lto the membershbf the House, that I was called to the

outside and I had to give Ehe courtesy of going down

and telling these gentleman that I was leaving the floor

andoouh..they knew it. I khink this is dirty pool and I '

t the members,of this House to kncw what happened.jus

l ThzKk YOQZ': Telcserz ''Representative VonBoeckman. you were taken off the

roll call, Representakive. Does Representakive VonBoeckm n

wished to be recorded as voting aye? Record Representati e

VonBoeckman as voting aye. Representative Hirschfeld for

what purpose do you rise, sir?f'

Hirschfeld: ''Because Reprsentative Jaffe is questioning the

affirmative roll call, Representative Schneider. and

Represenkative Hirshcf e1d wishes to change his votee do

ou wish to change your vote? :1y

Telscer: ''Representative Hircshfeld for what purpose do you

' rise? '' ', 7 . .

Hirschfeld: ''How am r/recorded Mr. Speakerz'' '

' Telcserz ''How is the gentleman recorded?'' '.

Selckez ''Gentleman is recorded as voting aye.''

Telcser: ''Now, Representative Schneider for what purpose do

you rise?'' '

Schnéider: ''Thank you. Just on a personal privilege remark...''

Telcser: ''State your pùint.''

Schneider: f'And that is, Jim, you told that to me and I'm sor ,

I didn't forward it to Aaron and he got the request from

another membef so there uas no effort to do that to #ou !I

we apologize for it, purely accidental and it's my mistak. ;

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ITelcserl ''On this question there are 85 ayes, 50 Nays, this '

IB1ll having failed to receive the constitutional majority

is hereby declared lost. On the order of postponed con-

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3 0 'l j. 1sideration appears House'Bill 1362 for which purpose 1

the Gentleman from Logan, Representative Lauer is

recognized.'' ' '

Lauer: ''Mr. Speakerr Ladies and Gentlemen of the House,II

this is a Bill which would permit pre-sentence investigat'on.

I would appreciate leave of the House to take this Bill

back to Second Reading for purposes of Amendment.''

Telcser: MAre there any objections? Hearing none House Bill

1362 is taken to the order of Second Reading. Will the

Clerk please read the Amendnent?''

Fred Selcke: ''Amendment #l# Lauer amends House Bill...*

''The Genkleman from Logane Representative Lauerw'' 1Telcserz'

1Lauer: ''The purpose of the Amendment to this Bill is to '

make it quite clear that the judge of the courk is not. t

to have available to him the information gained fn a '

pre-sentence investigation before the post trial motion

has been disposed of. This Amendment is being introduced jto alleviate some of the problems that were raised by 1Mr. Rayson and to assure that the right of the defendant

in the convicted felon are not going to be prejudiced

by any possibiliEy khat the court will have the' f.nforaation gained .ùn the pre-sentance ïnvès-zigakian .

available to him until a1l of the post-trial motions'

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have been exhausted and have been dealt with. Mr. Speaker,

I move the adoption of Amendment #1.''

Telcser: l'Is there any discussion? The Genkleman has

offered to move the adoption of Amendment #1 to House

Bill 1362. All in favor of the Gentleman's motion

signify by saying 'aye'e the opposed 'no'. The Amendment

is adopted. Are there further Amendments? Representative

Jonesg do you seek recognition, sir?'' '

Jones: ''Yeah, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen, I would

like leave of the House to be recorded as fno' on House

Bill 1108.''

Telcser: ''We11y we are in the middle of another Amendment, siriThat reques: is not proper now and that Roll Call was

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Gentleman has offered to move the adoption of Amendment

#1 to House Bill 1362. A1l in favor of adoption signify '

by saying 'aye', the opposed 'no'. The Amendment is 1'

jadopted. Are there further Amendments? Third Reading .

The Bill has been read a Third time. The Gentleman

from Logan, Representative Lauer.''

Lauer: ''As you heard from my discussion of the Amendment,

the purpose of the Bill is to speed up khe disposition

of cases in the courts and to shorten up khe Eime beEween

the finding of guilt and the passing of sentence. The

major purpose of the Bill, as you know, is to attempt

to speed up the process in our over logged courts. We

have taken care of those to assure that the convicted

felon does not have the postcttialitmotions prejudicedin any way because we have made it imposslble by law

for the court to find out ahead of the disposition of

these post-trial motions what the finding of the pre-

sentence investigation was. It had nothing to do with

the waiver of pre-sentence investigation and these rights

are still available. Ladies and Gentlemen of the House,

. I would apprec iate a ,favorabln votn .. 11

Telcser: ''Is there any discussion? The question is, shall

Rouse Bill 1362 pass. All those fn favor signify by

votlng laye', the opposed by votlng ldno'. Have all

voted who wish? The Gentleman from Cooke Represehtative

GetEy: ''Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, in

explaining my îayeî voke I want to point out that when

this Bill was previously called I voted againsE it and

I opposed it. With the Amendment I believe that now

it is an instrument for speedier justice and it does

not infringe upon the righks of the defendant. I

therefore would urge your éreen lights-ê'

Telcser: 'îThe Gentleman from Cook, Representakive Koslnski.''1

Eosinskiz 'îMr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House,

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courts is lack of transition in cases. speedy justice

will end ln good law enforcement and I urge a' green' 1light on this Bill.'' I

Telcser: 'fHave all voked who wish? Take the record. On

this question 105 'ayes', LaFleur 'ayel, 5 'nays'. This

B1ll havâng received the Conskitutiqnal Majority is

hereby deelared passed. House Billg on the order of

consideration postponed appears House Bill l8lt fot

which purpose the Gentleman from McHenry, Representative

Skinner âs recognized.''

Skinner: OMr. Speaker, the first time this Bill was up the

question was asked how much would it cost. I prepared

a fiscâl note which indicates that the 39 county nursing

homes for which this Bill proposes reimbursement for !

that portioh, that percentage of the caseload in the

nursing home which is on public aid would run approximate y

31.1 million per year for the next 40 years. The

questâon, the basic question however seems to be should

not be the cost question but should be the equity

question. Is it f air to reimburse private nursing

homes f 0..-. t:e totap. copt of ca ring for a Fatient but '

to not do the same for county nursing homes. At the'

q. present time the cost of construction is excluded and

it seems to me this is a completely unjust procedure. I

In factg the Department of Public Aid claims they

do not discriminake against puilic nursing homes but

all you have to do is compare the rates of reimbursement

between county nursing homes and surroundinc private

nursing homes in any county, at least in my county andIyou will find out there is a rather large differential. I

This Bill attempEs to negate that differential.''

l'Are there any questions? The Gentleman from dTelcser:

St. Clair, ReprgsentaEive Flinn.'' '!IElinn: ''Wel1, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of1

the Housee I had asked the Sponsor originally when this

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Bill came up Ehe firsk time and was defeated what the

opinion of the Public Aid Department was and he said

they were opposed to it and obviously they are opposed

to it because there is a whole new plan by the Public

Aid Department to take care of matters like this and

a11 this would do would interfere with khe Department's

plans and I am going to have to oppose the Bill. ''

Telcser: ''The Gentleman from Macoupin. Representative

Boyleo''

Boyle: ''Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise to support this Bill.

I think it's a good Bill. I donlt believe that we

should discriminate against county nursing homes, against

publlc facilities. These facilities most of khe time

are subject to more careful scrutiny by the public and

b:r public agencies more so than the private homes . In

Macoupin county we have been attempting to build a

nursing home for many years down khere. It's very

difficult under the existing law ko provide financing

to build a public: county nursing homes. This Bill

would provide a vehicle to do so. I believe in public

nursing homes and as a Member of the Visitations Committe

it has been our experience that these homes have been

better kept than some of the private homes and I would

urge support of the membership to support this Bill.

I think itgs a good Bill and it deserves your favorable

vote. Thank youo''

Telcser: ''Is there further discussion? The Sponsor, the

Gentleman from McHenry, Representative Skinner to close./

Skinner: î'Mr. Speakery I would like to second Representative

Boyleîs comments about the regulations, the strict

regulations of county nursing homes. You don't see

county nursing homes burning down like the ones in

Springfield did and yet if you compare the reimbursement

rates between a county nursing home and the ones that

have been burned down or have been closed because they

haven't beqn properly Kuperviqed in Cook County, you

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. jWhat we are trying to do is increase the number of

high quality careg we are trying to keep the numher of :

high quality care nursing homes in existence. At the

present time when a nursing home becomes substandard,

a county nursing home, the tempkation becomes extremely

large to say to equit it. Why run a county nursing

home at all. And if thatds, with this Bill this doesndt,this does not provâde all the money to build county

. nursing homes. A county nursing homes is still going to,the counky is still going to have to put up the front '

money and they are only going to be reimbursed for that

share of the county nursing home that is occupied by

public aid patients. It seems to me itfs time the

public aid, khe public welfare patients carried their

own load and for that reason I would ask for a fair,

for a ' es' voteo'' ' .y

Telcser: ''The question is, shall House Bill 1818 pass . A1l

those in favor signify by voting 'aye', the opposed by

voting 'nol. Have a1l voted Who wish? The Gentleman

from McHenry, Representative Skinner to explain his

vot.e . '' ' . '

Skinner: ''Mr. Speaker, in explaining my vote I would like

. to respondtïto what Representative Flinn said about the

Public Aid DeparkmenE having some grandiose plan to

do with county nursing homes. They have yet to cone to

me with that plan and quike frankly, the Public Aid

Department is not one that is known for implementing

' plans in a rapid fashion. Now it seems Eo me that if

we want to get them off their rear end and get them to

treat counky government fairly that we are going to have

to tell them that they are going to have to do it. And ,I

It !tha: fs whak this Bill does.

Telcser: ''The Gentleman from Macoupin, Representative Boyle.''

Boylez l'Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would sure appreciate it!1if we could get a f

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from this side of khe aisle. I feél khak this is a

good Bill. I don't think we should discriminate agàinst

public nursing homes. I think it's about time that we

allow the county to go into this business and this is.....

one way that they.fcan go into business and this is one

way that they can go into business. This Bill merely

allows Ehe Stake ko pay the public nursing homes the

same as they pay the private nursing homes and I

i 1 hope we get a f'èw more green lights up therew''s ncere y

Teleser: ''The Gentleman from Stephenson: Representative

Rigney . 0 '

Rigney: ''Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen: I certainly

do hope thak this fine Bill does pass. You will find

that many of our counties are building these type' of facilities. Thoy a're financdng a two or three

million dollar construction project out of their local

real estate taxes and if you want to give some relief'

- to the real estate taxpayer and I think al1 of us .

have said this time and time again, this is an excellent'

opportunity for Ehe State of Illinois to assume it's

' fair share of the cost of this type of institution andç ' , &

x to give some relief to the real estate taxpayero''' Teleser: ''Have all voted who wish? Take the record. On

this question l04 'ayesv 5 'nays' and this Bill having '

received the Constitutional Majority is hereby declared

passed. On the crder of postponed consideration'appears

House Bill 1299 and for whlch purpose the Genkleman from

Cooky Representakive Mann is recognized. Is Representati

,uMann on the floor? A11 riqht, take that out of the

record. On the order of postponed consideration appears

House Bill 1764 for which purpose the Gentleman from

Lawrence, Representative Cunningham is recognlzed.W

Cunningham: ''Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. when

this Bill was presented two or three days ago the

explanation was inadequate. I apologize to you for that q

inadequacy. It ' s a good Bill. It makes M endments in

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the Motor Vehicles Act..wand I respectfully submit your

' ' te for this Bill ''aye vo .

Telcser: ''The Gentleman from Cook, Representative rlecko''

Fleck: 'fWel1, here we go again.....ah...Mr. Speaker and Ladies

and Genklemen of the Housee once again we get a minor Amend

ment to the Motor Vehicle Code and weRre not told what it

is. We're right back where we were a few days ago: so what' wedre doing...we're doubling the right of a man to say to

' )Jsay 'no' if he has to take a breathalizer, we're kicking up

the penalities for a man to refuse to take a breath analysi .

I think the Bill that we passed lasE Session should be give

'' a chance ko work and we shouldnît use this pernicious means

to get invblved with peoples Constitutional rights to say

no if they so desire by this bacRdoor method and I would

urge every Member to defeat this Bill.n

Telcserz 1'All righk. The Gentleman from Winnebagoe Represen-

tative Gi6rgi.''

Giorgi: ''The only thing missing from the Sponsor of this Bill

is he's not waiving the American Flag as he goes down the

aisle. This is one of the worst Bills, and I've seen this

Bi7.l by evalution oew.cone....beccme a 'worser' Bi11. This

is the Bill where if youlre.oa..if you've been stopped ....

on the suspicion of a DWI....and refuse to take a breatha-' lizer test, then you go to a fine attorney like the guy

that Sponsored the Bill ....you mfght plead a charge vith

the States Atkorney for a thousand dollars to get it set

aside. This is an atrociôus Bill'.'é...and I would wonder if

maybe some of the attorneys that vote for it don't have a '

conflict of interest. You ought to be waiving the American

Flag onkthis oneoo..cunninghamoe'

Telcserz ''Is there further discussion? o-o..oRepresentative

Cunningham, the Clerk informs me that you....ah..... reques -

ed that this Bill ....ah....be put on an Interim Study

commission and the Clerk's office inadvertently put it back jon the calendaro-o.oenepresentative Cunningham, for what

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unningham: î'I had previously cleared with the Clerk that it

was properly on today's Calendar. I acknowledge thak I

discussed the matter yesterday evening with Speaker Murphy.

the Bill is too important to let it be permitted to rest

dormant on thè Interim Study Com ittee. I would appreciate

the opportunity to reply to the statements that have been

made. . . .that we might have a Roll Call vote on this par-è. : .

ticular issue. It is on the Càlendarx''

elcser: ''The Gentleman from Lakey Representative Murphy.''

urphy: ''We11, Mr. Speaker, I expeck Representative Cunningham

has the right to change his mind. but I just wanted to re-

mind hfm that if this goes up on a Roll Call vote zkiahd is

defeated why then it is dead.''

Telcser: ''Okay, the Gentleman from Lawrence, Representative

Cunningham, to close the......''

Cunningham: ''Now, Speaker Murphy if it's defeated the blame

will not be on my hands or on your hands. Two years ago

this State embarked upon a noble experiment to make the

highways more safe for all of the users including the Membe s

of this General Assenbly. A Bill that has bad tbe things

said about it .....maliciously and inaceurately 'as strongly

as this Bill can'E be a11 bad. Youdre either for kàfety onare

the highways or you Zagainst safety on the highways. The

people of the State of Illinois believe in the breathalizer

as the means of safeguarding Aheir llves and the lives of

their loved ones. It is unhappily true that àb the Bill is

presenEly written and stands on the books ik is not as ....

effective as it needs to be. It is your responsibility and

my responsibility to qive this Bill an opportunity to work

its magic for the benefit of a1l of us. Specifically the

issue is this....the penalty that is presently provided by

the Statutes that is the 90 day suspension....for a drunk...

to refuse to take the test is inadequakew..khat kest...that

penalty needs to be expanded. That's alI this Bill does

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it expands the penalty from 90 days to 6 months. It also

requireé that thé machine be tested once a month. It is

. . .. .there are no.....I...I defy any of you to disprove thi

Istatement. . o .there are no Bills khat have come before this

House this year thak have a greater capacity for good for

al1 of the people of the Skate of Illinois than House Bill

1764. You canlt have it b0th ways. You cannot be for

drunks on the highway and at the same time be a......for

this Bill. You cannok be akainst public safety and voteagainst..o.this.woooyou cannot be for public safety and

vote against this Bill. This is one of those splendid

moments in which this House offers us so manyoo..that we'

to the 1Yî in the road and we make our choice as ko 'come

where we stand. I invite each of you ....who stand for

public safety and stand for safety bn Kha highways to east

an 'aye' vote and make the breathalizer test the force for

good for which it was planned and for thè tapacity that it

has to'serve as each. Vote 'aye' '' '. xr jj jr .Telcser: shall House Bill 1764 pass? A1l those n avor

signify by voting 'aye', the opposed by voting 'no'. The

Gentleman from Winnebago: Representative Giorgi.n' '

'Giorgi: ''Mr. Speaker, I know I am speaking for the record so

' . I want to be as gentle as I can. But I say that the last

speaker represented a drunken driver last yeare and thé

court record will bear it out, I think he was State's '

Attorney there, I think I#d like for my own personal .....

I think I1d like a copy of his court records on thèse Bills.

I say this is in conflict of interest for some of these

eople' that know better on these breathalizer tests and onP

these measuring of these . . . othe deci . . . .the alcoholic

decimals and some of the other things that are occuring on

this Bill. We kere promised when this Bill was passed that

in the evmnt tha: a pnrson wasn ' t . . . . .wasn ' t guilty of

ten hundredths . . . .he ' d be allowed to go f ree . Now we f ind

they are giving them other charges # I think that ' this is in

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Telcser: ''The Gentleman from Cooke Representative Duff.l

Duffz 1'Mr. Speaker, I think'that last speakef was so far out

of order that he ought to come over to the Sponsor of the

Bill and ask him where the Bill came from. The Bill came

from the State's Atkorneys Association and I personally

asked the Sponsor however reluctant he was to kake it on,.

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thero is no conflict here. Now, I have never represented

the drunken driver and I represent a 1ot of people. The

simple fact of the matter is the implied consent struggle

is over wikh. tNow this Bill can use improvement. We hav

done things in this Legislature this yearooo.like allowJ .

alcoholism to longer.....oto no longer be a public crime..

we have done things in this Legislature ....1ike allowing

teenagers to drink.oooand this Bill makes it posiible for

us to improve khe process of the Implied Consent Bi11.''

Telcser: ''Now, Representative Giorgig for what purpose do you

rise Sir?''

Girogi: ''Point of Order, Mr. Speakerw''

Telcserr ''Yes. Sir.'' ' .

Girogi: ''I don't know if Duff belongs to an association or

corporation of lawyerse but as he said that he never rep-

resented a drunken driver, would he tell the House if his

Firm has ever represented a drunken dbiver?''

Duf f z ''Noooop . N

Telcser: ''The Gentleman fron Cook, Representatlve Fleck.

' Representative Duff, for what purpose do you rise?''

Duff: l'Personal Privilege, Mr. Speaker.''

Telcser: State your Po n , .

Duffz I'The fact of the matter is, my Firm has never represente

a drunken driver, but the fact is that this Gentleman is

trying to take the merit of this Bill and put it into a

complex situation that doesn't exiàt.''

Telcserr ''The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Plecko''

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Pleck: ''I'd like to disagree with the previous speaker. There

is no merit to this Bi1l. If this Bill passes out of this

House it will be the most pernicious and insidious piece

of Legislation tha: God would ever suffer to call out of

this Chnmher. Now letbso..-.this Bill not only doubles

the right of refusal to take the breath analysis buk there

is a little sneaker in here that includes a person who

drives or is in physical control of a motor vehicle. Now:N)'J .

that simply means that if you are Kitting in a car and the

engine isn't going and if you happen to have the auto-

mobile keys to that carvoo.you are in actual physical con-

trol and you#re not even driving it...oyou might be sleep-

ing it off. This man shouldn't be punished...opand he

shouldn't be forced to take the breathalizer because he's

noE harming nor harassing or endangering anyone on the

highways. I think if wedre going to pass Legislation

we got to be a little morm Eruthful about the Bills we're

presenting to the Chamber. I think it's a terrible Bill

and any Member who votes for it should read the Bill and

i h t Ehe'ylre voting for.''real ze w a

Telcser: ''Have a1l voted who wish? Representàtive Cunningham:

for what purpose do you rise, Sir?''

Cunningham: ''Mr. Speakerz I wanted to explain my 'aye' vote

and I wanted to say that this Bill is not sponsored en-

titely by the States Attorneys Association, the Illinois

State Police are for it. they came and appeared and testi-

fyed in its behalf. Those of you who are voting red up

there are not voting against me or the sponsorship of

this Bill. Youdre voting for drunken drivers on the

highwayo....and I trust that you'll be glad to see your

Roll Call in your local newspapers. Now, in answer to

the question,.a..olêm not througho....in answer tb the

question as to whether or not I defend drunken drâversy

the answer is.....I do not.oo..obut if the Representative

from Rockford ever needs coungel, I'd be Willing to make

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exception. I urge each of you to reconsider. This is

not o.oothis is not a question of personalities, this is

a question of where you stand on every possible.on .rea-

sonable basis ko make our highways more safe. I'm not

going to say it will save 5:000 lives in lllinois, but if

it saves one it is our responsibility. Give the breatha-

lizer test .....give implied consent a chance to work for

you and for me.....PLEASE:''

Telcaer: ''Have a11 voted who wish? Take the record. Repres-

entative Geo-Karis, fok what purpose do you rise?''

Geo-Karis: ''Ah.....Mr. speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the

House...ah....I rise a Point of Personal Privilege because

I do not condone drunken dfivers and I do not like to be

ascribed as condoning them.....simply because I do not

agree kith the Bill. I donït think the''Bill fs a good

Bill and I rise to vote 'nof.''

Telcser: ''This question there is 32 'ayes', 81 fnays', and

this Bill having failed to receive a Constitutional

Majoriky is hereby declared lost. House Bill 1299. ......

What did you say, Representative Mann?''

;t Mann: ''Kepresentative Martin has an Amendment and ghe is off

of the Floora''

Telcserz ''All right, Eake it out of Ehe record. House Bâll

797. ....On the order of Postponed Consideration appears

House Bill 797....for which purpose the Gentleman from

Cooke Representative Schlickman is recognized.*

Schlickmanr ''Mr. Speakery I would ask for the leave of the

House to take 797 back to the order of Second Reading for

the purpose of an Amendment to be offered by Representativ

Tuerk.''

Telcser: ''A1l right' are there any objeckions? Hearing none,797 will appear on the order of Second Reading. Will the

Clerk please read the Amendmento''

Jack O'Brien: ''Amendment #5, Tuerkp amends House Bill 797..'...

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Telcser: WThe Gentleman from Peoriae Representative Tuerko''

Tuerk: ''Mr. Speaker and Members of the House, Amendment 45 to .!

House Bill 797, teally limits the jurisdiction of this Actto the Northeastern Illinois Counties area, as that area !!

is defined in the Northeastern Illinois Planning Act...... 1

' Ah....We have precedent for thisz weeve established kheI

. Northeastern Illinois Planning Act, we havè it for plannin 'I

purposes... for lànd use.z.okeCre now considering mass. I

transit and I think the Sponsor of this Bi11.....ah...... !

would be in much better shape with this Bill if this I

Amendment were adopted and I move for its adoption.'' 1

Telcserq ''Is there any discussion? The Gentieman from Cook. !. , . . .

jRepresenkative Schlickman.''

'' Schlicp-mai: : ''Mr. Speaker and Merrbers of the Housez, I shouldI

like to ihank the Gentleman from Peoria for khis Amend-. I

ment. Generally I'm opposed to classification but as I

Mnmhers of the House know....frequently we do classify on I. - !

the basis of population or for other reasons. It seems II

to me Mr. Speaker and Meébers of the House ...ah...we must l. ' . .

recognize that there are problems in part of the State

where problems don't exisk in other parks of the Statd :' and by this classification that we have in the Bill now

restrictiùg its application to the six Northeastern. 1

Illinois Counties area we are simply doing for the State j'wha: the' bùildèrs do themselves. They have one associatio

for the Chicago Metropolitan Area because of its unique 1character, they have another association for the remainder

of the State.....so I concur with the Amendment and urge

its adoption.''

Telcserz ''The Gentleman from Kankakee, Representative Beaupre.''

Beaupre: ''Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House... jI supported Representative Schlickman's Bill a1l the way j!through.....ah.o.ah... while it was in Committee and ...ah. 1. . .a1so on the House Floor last time. I would like to

urge you ko vote against this Amendment primarily because

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I believe that the potential homebuyers throughout the

State of Illinois needs protection....Tha: this is nok

necessarily an area problem and I would like to ask you

kO voke 'no'o''

Telcser: ''The Gentleman from Lake, Representative Pierceo''

Pierce: ''Ah...p.Mr. Speaker, I believe that this is clearly

an Unconstitutional classification in this Bill. The....

. .ah...Mr. schlickman said it had something to do with

populationoo..it has nothing ko do with population. Mc-

Henry County which would be included in the Bill under

this Amendment has less people than Madison Countye it

has less people than St. Clair County, it has less people

than other downstate counties. McHenry County is only

about e hundred thousand people .Bnd thnre are mmly countie-

that big.o..m.downstate..vWinnebago County is not include

in the Bill if this Amendment is adopted and yet it's a

bigger county in population and has bigger eities than

does McHenry County. The biggest city in McHenry County

is only about fifteen thousand people. The biggest city

in Winnebago Coùnty is l50 thousand people. Winnebago

County has over 20O thousand people. McHenry County a

hundred thousand people and yet McHenry is being put unde

this Bill and Winnebago and Peoria and East St. Louise St.

Clair and so on are being excluded even though they have' hink this is a very bad precedent andurban problems. I t

I ask that you oppose the Amendment.''

Telcser: ''The Gentleman from McHenry, Representative Skinner.''

Skinner: ''M/. Speaker, it seems to me......''

Telcserz lîone moments..oplease.v.wRepresentative Schlickman

has indicated he wishes to take this out of the record...

Take it out of the record o...momentarily. House Bill

l299.....The Gentleman....on the Order of Postponed Con-

sideration appears House Bill 1299, for which purpose th

Gentleman from Cook, Representative Mann is recognized.f'

Mann: ''Wel1, Mr. Speaker, I would like leave of the House to

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. . . .ah...bring this bad Bill back to the order of Second

Reading for thé purpose of an Amendment to be offered by

Representative Martin. Are there any objections? Hearingnone, the Bill appears on the order of second Reading.

Will the Clerk please read the Amendment?''

Jack O'Brien: ''Amendment #l, Marting amends House Bill 1299...'

Telcser: ''The Lady form Cook, Representative Martin.''

Markin: HMr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemene on the day that

this Bill was originally heard ...1 asked Mr. Mann if he

would have this Bill placed on Postponed Consideration for

the purpose of.an Amendment which would then .'...ah...

make this Bill so that the Public Aid Department ...ah...

khen could be in complete or total support of this Bill.

What'we have done here on line 3 page 2....ah...was delet

2 persons for 2 years.o...that is public aid recipients...

and 2 for l year each. And on page 2 line l:..vdeleting

4 and 2. With this new Amendment I'mo-..-othere are no

further objections to this Bi11 and I ask leave that you

will aecept the Amendment 41.'.

Telcser: ''The Gentleman from Will, Representative Kempiners.o

, Kempiners: ''Wi1l the Sponsor of the Amendment yield for a

question?''

Telcser: Rshe indicates she will.o

Martin: ''Yes.''

Kempiners: ''Peggy, is this basicàlly taking out the time re-

quirements so that if somebody goes off of Public Aid tha

. . .ah...the Public Aid recipient can be put on in their

p1ace?....Is that basically what the Amendment does?O

Martin: e'Yes, it does. What it does is it says that there

should be 4 recipients buk 2 of them w&l1 be appointed fo

2 years and 2 will be arpointea for one year ..-each and

that if any recipient becomes ineligible in any form of

. . . .for any for of Public Aid while serving that they

shall be replaced within 60 days from a list that is avai -

able. A person who said that they would like to serveoe

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Telcser: PThe Gentleian from Cook, Representative William :

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Walsh: ''Wel1, I'd just like to point out, Mr. Speaker that 1.

this Amendment does nothing to remove objections that many

of us had ko this Bill. The Amendment really doesn't do

anykhing at all. The purpose of thè Amendment as I under-

stand it.'.is to provide for the situation where because

khe average stay on Public Aid assistance is two years

khe Amendment addresses itself to a term on the Advisory

Board of no more than two years, buk ...ah...Iêd like to

point out the Sponsor of the Amendment,nthe Sponsor of

the Bill, who seems to think this Amendment is such a goo

idea that we#re dealing in the one' hand with avo..averagesy

and on the other hand vâth absolutep..oand you simply can

not bring them together. So the Amendmenk is ....is .....

ridiculous.o..ah....if not worthless.n

Telcser: ''The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Daviso''

Davis': ''Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House,

all this Bill does is to say thak on this Commission.... '

. 4 members.......4 reci.pients ef ai;...will be appointed

to the Commissiono...now what is the purpose of the '

Commission? The Commission renders a report to the

Governor at his request. Itfs advisory in capacity andJ

there's no report rendered unlessy His Excellencyg the

Governor requesks one. I'd like to know, numher one; ...

. . ..let me....let me tell you exactly what the Legislature

says and has said.oo.that the Momhers of the Board shall

have Rnowledge bearing on dependency, maladjustment, wais y

human resources and the routine tax burden. I think that

recipients of Public Aid ....1 think it's a good idea to

have them on that Commission because certainly a recipien

Rnows more about ft than anybody else.-g..wand they will

be able to tell and not only tell, they will be able to

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have first hand information themselves as to how much

money is being put here. It certainly can't harm anythipg

and say to you as a Member of the Advisory Committee

with power given to that Committee from this Legislakion

.. . . . .a good thing. I'd rather have thém on there as to

have them coming down to Springfield week after week.....

every time we meetow.trying to find out what's going on.

If you put 4 Membe/s on the Committee they will know what'

going on.....theylll know how much money it's costing us.

Theyîll know all these things that they want to come down

here to hear and want to come down here to be heard on.

Theyfll know just what it's costing. It's not going to

hurt one thing. I'.think it's a good Bi1l.....and I believe

that we ought to support khe Lady's Bill. I plead with

you to give it a voke.''

Telcser: ''The Gentleman from Dupage, Representative Hudson.

Hudson: ''Well, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the

House, I think we have....ah..vcome almost full circle....

in this area. I rise in opposition to this Amendment

and to the Bi11. With all due respect to the proponenkse

I know that theyfrè 'sincerely motl.vated and feel that

this would help. I feel that it would have an adverse

effect and an adverse reaction. If we were to argue 'that

we have on this Board.....represeniatives of peop.......

representaEives ae...those who have been on Publfc Aid

and those who have found their ways out of Public Aid

and off of Public Aid it'might make a little more sense

to me. But I fail to see why Ehe Board cannot receive

the information it needs and the input it needs without

actually putting momhers who are on Public Aid and on

Welfare on the Board. I donlt think it will do the jobe

I think it will encourage those who are on Public Aid in

many cases to remain on Public Aid.o.o.and suggest and

urge a 'no' vote on the Amendment and a 'nol vote on

the Bill.''

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Telcserz ''The Gentleman from Lake, Representative Murphy.''

Murphyl ''I move the Previous Question, Mr. Speaker.'': ;

Telcser: ''The Gehkleïan has moved the Previous Question. All

in favor signify by saying laye', the opposed 'no'. Rep-

resentative Martin to close.''

Martin: ''Mr. Speaker: Ladies and Gentlemen, I have before me

here a copy of the Code of Federal Regulation, page 37#

220.4, paragraph 2, that says; 'included Representatives

of other State Agencies concern with service representatio

of professional civic or other public or private organiza-

tions ...private citizens and those who are connected with

service programs as wèll as three.....1/3 of the Mmmher-

ship should be Public Aid recipientso' I see no reason

' why that persons on Public Aid would not know what their

own destiny is. .You talk about persons remaining on .

Public Aid .othak's what happened here yesterday.o..ah.. '

you want to keep people on Public Welfarey yesterday you

zefeated a Bill that would have permitted women to go to

wörk who make under $10,000 a year and now you don't even

want them to have a voice in their own destiny. Mr.

Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen, I nove for the acception

of the adoption of Amendment #1.'. '

Telcser: ''The Lady has asked to move for the adoption of k

Amendment #l, to House Bill 1299. Representative Borehers

do you seek recognition, Sir?'' .

Borchers: NThe only remark I kish to make is..olit's always

well ko put the rats in charge of the cheese'....O

Telcser: ''All in favor of the Ladies o.motion..aer.poLadies

Amendment signify by saying 'aye'g the opposed 'no'. The

Amendment is adopted. Are there further Amendments?

Third Reading, the Bill has been read a third time. Nowe

the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Manne with re-

ference to House Bill 1299.':

Mannz ''We11y first of all....ah...Mr. Epeaker and Momhers of

the Committee,''the Amendment merely conforms the Bill to

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I the objections of the Department of Public Aid, which

wanted the tefms staqgefed so that in the event a person

came off of thà rolls a replacement could be made. Nowy

Representative Martin: remarks in her presentation of the

Amendment that the Federal Regulations in order for Illino s

to continue to get matching funds require an Advisory

Board composed of l/3 poor people . Now, we ' re constantly

haranguing . .and criticizing the poor f or not being involv-

d in government, by not çaring about their lot. Now,e

there isn't a Board or Commission in the State of Illinois

you can go down Ehemo...teachers that donlt have teachers

'::.-. on them...m.doctors that don't have doctors on them, ....

dentists that don't have dentists on them....A11 weVre do-

ing here is giving the poor an opportunity to participate

on an Advlsory Board, That's all. Let's sne what the

poor can do. Let's invite them into Government. It's ho

big deal--..and Representative Borcher's remark about rats

and cheese.o-was highly iniulting to people who are on

public assistance. They're not rats. I would urge your

positive vote for a Bill which merely involves participati n

by poor people on an Advisory Board that requires consent' and approval by thè Senate oi the Scate of Illinois. Let'

give the poor a chance to get involved in their own Govern

ment. This is no radical revolutionary Bill....it is a

Bill that matches every other partico..oo.participatory

commission and board that we have in the Stake of Illinois.

The other day we passed a Board allowing beauticians ...

a Bill allowing beauticians to be appointed. Examine ever

board and every commission and you'll find consumers and

people who know something to be on the board. Who knows

more about being poor than poor people? Let's give this

an 'aye' vote. The Members have to be confirmed by the

Senate.''

Telcserz ''The Gentleman from Cook, Representative William

Walsh.''

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Walsh: ''Well: Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentleheh of the Hous eI......wh'i1e 'I...aqreé thàE th/ Sponsor of this Bill is

very concerned and interested in thé problems of the Publi

Aid recipients I don't think his approach is correct in

this instance/ Now, 1et me point out tb 'you that the

Boards that he talks about.w.othe various examining Boards

and we learned recently that there are some l81 licensed

professions in this State and they a1l have Boards. None

of these Boards dictate that Members of that profession

shall be on these Boards. I aqree with them that in many

cases there are Members of the various professions on the

professional Boards but the Legislation does not dictatebe

that they must/and the Governor may appoint whonever he'

pleases. Now I suggest to you that in theoo...public Aid. $ t

Advisory Board the Governor may, if he wishesy appoint al1

Public Aid recipients to that Board. A1l or one or two or

whatever he wishes. Nowe I suggest to you that there is

no reason why in this one instance we should dictate to th

Governor that he shall appoint a certain number of a certa'n

profession any more than we dictate to him any of the othe

boards gualifications for Membership on them. This is the)

reason that I do not approve of this Bill and I don't thin

that At should pass. The Governor may now appoint 4 m'èmbe s

. on Public àssistance to this Board if he wishesoo.oand I

suggest to you that this Bill should be defeatedwo

Telcser: 'fls there further discussion? If note the Gentleman

from Cook, Representative Mann to close.''

Mann: *We1l, Mr. Speaker, firsk of'all the distinguished

Majoriky Leader is absolutely wrong when he says that none

of the advisory boards in this State require the appbintmen

of people from certain professions and...ah- -consumers on

consumer boards ....itês absolutely untrue. Secondly I am

telling you that you are jeopardizing federal matching

funds by not passing this Bill when it says under the

federal law that you must have one-third recipients on this

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advisory board which must be approved by the senate. If !

you want to take the responsibility of jeopardizing

hundreds of millions of dollars for a mefe advisory board .

you take that upon your shoulders, but Ehe Federal Statute

require 1/3 participation by the poor and what's wrong

with allowing the poor to participake in an advisory

board on poverty and I uxge your 'aye' vote.''

Telcser: ''The question ise shall house Bill 1299 pass? All

those in favor signify by voting''aye'. the opposed by

voting 'nof. The Gentleman from Cook, Representative

Pleck to explain his votep''

Fleck: ''Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, if) '

anyone would read the Bill and also read the Pederàl Stat-

utes ..... I'm no great fan or friend of welfares as this

House knolzse but this Bill is really a sheep in wolf's

clothing. Itgs..a.it's .....lot......ham less...as......

1:11 explain why. It's .....It looks worse than it reall

is. Pirs: of a1l the Board is an advisory Board. Now

what you have ....you got a rederal Statute and I'm hold-

' ing it.in my hands.op..it mandates.o..and I really mean

it.wo.when I say mandates.ooit's the State plan and they

are zeferring to the advisory' boards-..mast sho- that

they have welfare recipients on it. Now it seems to me

that...aho.àh.....Representative Mann is correck when he

says that we might be jeopardizing the matèhing funds in '

the welfare area unless we take a real close look at this

Now if the Governor for maybe some political reasons is

derelict and dops not appoint welfare recipients to these

boards we're going to have trouble...and a lot of trouble

in financing thé welfare schemes in the State, welre goin

bankrupt as lt is alreàdy.e...and I would urge the Member

to really cast a green vote on this one because it is a

very important Bill and I think we're going to loose a

lok of Federal money unless we mandate the Governor to do

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Telcser: ''Thé Gentleman from Winnebagoy Representative Giorgio'

Giorgi: ''Mr. Speakeb...e.this Bill provides that the Senate

hask to confirm the appointees of the Governor.o...so we'v

watched the operations of the Senate and weVre.omowe know

they are very selective. The second thing is..vothe

Congress recognized this problem many years ago when it

allowed communities to forn Communiky Action Committees

and insiàted thak the poo: be represented ando.u .'.provided

the election guidelines in poor districts. This is not

a radical thoughts..l think it's like some of the .oothe

more Biblical Momhers'of this House that say that the

poor will alkays be with you. Let's tnvite them in the

halls of the Mighty. Let's get àn input from them. You

are always talking abcut the welfare recipients steals

away with the money, well I want to tell this House again

today that almost 50 cents out of every dollar of the

welfare pot goes into the hands of the doctors, the

' dentisis, the pharmàcists, the child care centers and the

medical centers and so on. . And the second thing I#d

like to say is....the farmers in this House don't do too

' bad with soil banlt mokleys and theyfre represented in the

halls of the nighky so I'd like to see a vote for the' . ppOOr Once.

Telcser: ''The Genkleman from Will, Representative Kempinerso''

Kempiners: ''Thank you Mr. Speaker, I'd like to explain my

'yes'.vote. There are two Bills that Representative Mnnn

brought into the Human Resources Commitkee. This was the

second of the two. The first one I voted agafnst because

I thouqht it was unnecessary. This one I voted for becaus

of what Representative Mann said about the Federal Funds

and the danger that we may be in of loosing those Federal

funds. But there is something else that...ah...I voted

for it for and that is the represenEation that poor people

would have on that board. In a discussion with a repre-

sentative of the Joliet-I#ill County Community Action Agency

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I learned that people in Joliet who could be out throwing

bricks through windows, burning down buildingso..aren't

doing it bedause thére is a voiceo.-oero..a place they can

go to be héard when theyRve gok frustrationsa.o.and that

is the Joliet-Will County Community Action Agency.-..And

this is how I would see this Board...owith Public Aid

recipients they have an ouklet for their frustrations....

and I think that if we look at history weell find that

governments have thawed bdcause there haven't been com-

ications between the people and the people who governmun

themo.....and I do not see anything wrong in adding these

4 Public Aid kecipients.to this Board.''

. Telcser: ''Let me remind the Members, we cannot roll the

machinery.....oo..something is brokeh on it. The Gentle- ' '

. man f rem Cook , Represantative Davin . ''

Davis: ''Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen df the Houseo...by

the remark that has been made Ifm reminded of the story

of the little boy who was in a foreigh country.o.they said

to him....son, what forms of punishment do you have in

your country? He said, 'in my country many people are

put to death by elocution#.....oyou know I am always put

. $ j tto sleep oz put to death by the distingulshed Gentleman s

elocutioù.''

elcserz ''Have a1l voted.o.....the Gentleman from vermilione$ ' . . ' '

Representative Campbello'' . .

Campbell: DNow, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the '

House, I agree wholeheartedly with Bob Mann and Charlie

Fleck in regard to this concept and to ....really if we '

' don't pass this Bill we may very well be jeopardizing the

funds of Public Aid in the State of Illinois. And basical y

khat.is wrong with the idea...ethis is an advisory board

in the first place and none of us have ever cone up with

any of the real sound conclusions on what we can do in

regard to help this business of the Public Aid debt going

up and up and up and up. So letês bring some of these

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eople in and maybe the# can give us some ideas and let 'P

everybody have an input into this thing and try to get

the job done. So I would urge a11 of the Members to switcthose red votes to 'aye' votes....obecause this ..aothis

concept is not really as bad as you think it is..''

Telcser: ''Have a1l voted who wish? Take the record. On this

there are 96 'ayes' 32 'nays' and this Bill having re-# #

ceived the Constitutional Majority is hereby declared

assed. On the order of Postponed Consideration appearsP

. w . .Representative Martin, for what purpose do you rise?''

Martin: ''Mr. Speaker; just to say a word to one of the Speak-

ers. I have too much intelligence and too much respect

for myself to answer on the rats and cheese matter. Thank

YOL.

' Telcser: ''On the order of Consideration Postponed appears.....

House Bill 921. Por which the purpose Ehe Gentleman from

Cook, Representative Shea is recognized.''

Shea: ''Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, House

Bill 92l is Representative Arrigo's Bill and with leave

of the House I'd like to handle ik for him-ovahoa.he's in

the hospital.''

Telcser: ' ''Al1 right proceed Representative Shea.'' '#

Sheaz ''Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Housee House

Bill 92l is a Bill that would allow the ...aha.Trustees

of the U. of 1. ...the Trustees of S. 1. U., the Board

of Regions and Board of Governors....ah.o.to furnish

secretarial services to the Board M-mherso..l think there

was some question about this raise...ah.p.by President

Corbely, in his office at one timeoooo.we've tried to get

in touch with him. I can't see any reason why that the

trustees cannot be furnished a secretary.o...and I'd

iate the support of the House.napprec

Telcser: f'Is there any discussion? The Gentleman from Cooke

Representative Richard Walsh.n

Walsh: ''We1l, Mr. Speaker, and Ladies and Gentlemen df the1

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House, this Bill was heard in the...oah...committee on

Higher Education and we had considerable debate on it on

the floor of the House. As a matter of faet...ah.o.under

the existing law the/..ah..ptrustees of the...ahv..univer-

sity of Illinois and a11 the others for that matter. can

be furnished o..ah...secretarial services. They are en-

titled to be reimbursmd as we are for any seéreEarial

services which are needed. This Bill would give statutory

authority to them to hire'zprivate secretaries. Now, I

don't belfeve ...at this particular tfme thai itfs approp-

riate for us to, in a sense, dictate to these boards that

the Members have private secretaries. Nowy the Gentleman

who testified in the Higher Education Committee even in-

dicated himself that his secretary only worked l/3 or

25% of her time on 'Unijlersity business and that, I belleve

was probably one of the high ones. .....In this Bill

wefre providing that al1 of these people be entitled to

private secretaries..o.and I think for once maybe we ought

tô give the taxpayer a chance to vote 'no' on this Bil1.''

Telcser: OIs there any further discussion? If not, the Gentle

man from Cook, Representative Shea to close.''

Shea: #'Wel1, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House I

frankly don't understand the opposition and.o....from the

Mmmher....all this says is that Board Members that serve

without compensation can have secretarial help. Nowy I

know of one trustee, Earl Neal, who lives in the Northern

part of the State, a1l he wants to do to do a good job is

to be able to have a secretary. I talked Eo two or three

of the trustees and a1l they want is the opportunity to do

the job that theyeve been elected to do ....or appointed

to do and I'd appreciaee Ehq snpport of the House-l'

Telcser: ''The question is, shall House Bill 92l pass? A11


voting 'no'. The Gentleman from Cook, Represenkative

Richard Walsho''

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Bill wefre vokipg on, the Gehtlehan did not explain it

properly. These people can now be reimbursed for secre-

tarial serviceé which are incurred by Ehem. Any expense

in connection the/ekith. This Bill specifically provides

in Section 2 thereof that any governoring board may fur-

nish .....and I think we could probably put shall in there

because.m..gwe sure know that if we're 'going to enact this

Legislation that they wi1l.....may furnish to each of its

board members secr'etarial services or a private secretary

and provide compensation therefore. Now, we all know that. . : .. , . . 2.some of those private secretaries in State Government are

paid a pretty penny. I don't think the taxpayers want any-

more of ik and I urge a 'no' voteoH

Telcser: ''The Gentleman from Moultrie, Representative Stoneoe

Stone: ''Mr. Speakere Ladies and Gentlemen.o..l J.I think that

this is a good Bi1l...I have served aso.pas..p.you know ..

on ...ah..at least two or three of the boards tha: are

involved here. Under the present law itfs nearly-impossib e

to.o.to charge secretarial services to the...aho.oboard.

There's no way that you can admmzaNely account for how!

many hours that ....is actually workedo..how much of theN

secretaries time is spent and k'o.ah.o..therefore it's

practically impossible to make a charge. Now under this

Bill it clariffès-how the charges are to be made andoooah.t

it would make it more .wm.ah...plausible for the board'M-mhers to file a claim. For example the ...Mr> Eahn. the

J...a Trustee of the University of Illinois Board of

Trustees, that lives in Springfield testifiea before the

committee and he explained thatv...that ...ah...he had

visited with his secrqtary abouE the o..ahoolhmense amount

of time that she spent for hin on board work and that he

had no* ...osubmitted claims for this because of the natur

of the .o.ah..opresent undefstanding..u This Bill would

only make it quite clear that they were ehtitled to actual

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Telcser: ''Representative Stoney could you conclude your remark

Please?f'

Stonez ''Thank you very much. would appreciate an 'aye' vote ''

Telcserz ''Have all voted who wish? Take the record. Repres-

entative Jones: did you wish to.a-oosay something?''

Jones: ''I just want to further amplify Representative Stone's

remarks......one of khe Trustees from Springfield, Ralph

Hahn said his costs is about $1,500 a year and inasmuch as'

):he serves as a trustee withouk pay that he ought to be

accomodated for that much expense of his secretary and I

think it.o.othat we need a few more 'aye' votes-o. o''

Telcser: ''Juckett 'aye'. On this question there are 80 'ayes'

35 fnays', and this Bill having failed to receive a Con-

stitutional Majority is hereby declared lost. On the orde

of Postponed Consideration appears House Bill 1848, for

which the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Caldwell is

recognizeda''

Caldwell: ''Thank you, Mr. Speaker, ...ah...Mr. speaker and

Ladies and Gentlemen ....1 respectfully ask that this Bill

be moved back to Second Reading for purposes of an Amend-

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Telcser: î'Are there any objections? Hearing noney House Bill

1848......0n Second Reading.a..the Clerk will please read

the Amendmentsp''

Jack O'Brien: ''Amendment #3y Caldwelle amends House Bill 1848

on ......R

Telcser: ''The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Caldwello. ''

Caldwell: ''Ah....This is an Amendment that ..ah...Mr. Lindberg

the .w.ah.oaAuditor suggested thatw.p..it's a technical

Amendment and clears up some legal matters and I move its

adoption-''

Telcser: ''Is there any discussion? The Gentleman has moved

the adoption of Amendment #3 to House Bill 1848. a1l in

favor signify by saying 'aye', opposed 'no'. The Amendmen

is adopted. Are there further Amendments? Third Reading

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. the Bill has been heard a third time. The Gentleman from

...:r.. Cook, Represehtative Caldwell.''

Caldwell: ''Ah...Mr. Speakerz Ladies and Gentlemen.o.ahpoHouse

Bill 184: was heard lask week. Many of the Members were

. . . .had gone..oand I wouldow.'.brieflya..ahoo-like to de-

scribe..oah...what ...ah...House Bill 1848 does. Ah...

it's a Bill that simply provides funding for early child-

hood education for childrqn whose educational prpgress: ?

' would be handicapped without it. Ah....This Bi1l...ah..p

woild.m.would ...ah....enable school districts throughout

the State of Illinois to offer early educational envolveme t

to disadvantaged children in the school districts or in .

'special cases children in pilot programs approved by the

Office of the Superintendent of Public Instruction. Nowy

currently in Chicago seven centers are operated that en-

roll children at the age of three with the full cost of

the program being borne by Model Cities Funds. It is

anticipated thaE Federal Punds will be curtailed..oaThis

would cause considerable regressionooooin the educational

system in the cities and I want to remind you that itk'....

-it is applicable Stat.pwide. ix-.w.research has indicated.

that less than a million dollars will be involved althoug

it could increase over a period of years if local funds' can be generated to provide for participation up to 2% of

the...ah..pareas ân which it would close. Finally, I wank

to point out that numerous researchers in the field of .

cognitive development have established that between birth

and four years of age the child develops 50% of his cog-

nitive potential and an additional 50% leVel of intelligen e

is developed by age 8. Ah...Mr. Speaker. Ladies and

Gentlemen I think this is a much needed ...ah..opiece of

Legislation...aho..the...theoo.ysuperintendent of Public

Instruction's Office o.waho.padvocates itooeand I think

that we could save the State a 1ot of money by encouraging

I this type of a program throughout the State and I wouldI

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urge your 'aye' vote.''

Telcser: ''Is there any discussion? The Gentleman from Dupage.

Represehtative Hudson.''

Hudson: ''Would thé Sponsor yield for a question?''

Telcser: I'He indicakes he will.''

Hudson: ''Ah...Re/resehEative Caldwell. Would this program, if

implemenked throughout the State tie in in any way with

the oo.aho..plans that the ...theo...ah.e.Deparkment of Health. r -, jEducation and Welfare ....ah...out of Washington has in mi d.

I know some time back they had a a..ah...conference on You

or something.o.ah...l Ehink ...a year or so ago and...out

of that came suggestions. Is, ......what you have in mind

here ....in line with khose suggestions out of HEWZ''

Caldwell: ''M ...Mr.....ah...SpeA er...could I yleld to Rep-

resentative Chapman to answer that quesEion?''

Telcser: ''The Lady from Cook, Representative Chapman.''

Chapman: ''The answer. Representative Hudson-oe...is 'yes'.

. The Illinois reports.e.ah...the White House Commission

. w a. oconference..oo.pardon me....on Children and Yauthe

>ointed to this deficiency which presently exists in

Illinois Statutes....in regard to helping sehool districk

offer programs of early childhood education....so not onl

is Representative CaldwellVs'Bill ....an embodiment of

' the recommendations of the Illinois Report of the White

House Commission on Children and Youth, it is included in

the Superintendent of Publiq' Instructions action goal and

it is strongly recommended by the Illinois Commission on

Childrenm''

Hudson: ''Aho..would Representative Chapman-eo.oyield.owoah..

Representative Cà1dWe11..... to another question'e

Telcser: ''She lndicates she will-''

Hudson: ''.1 understood ...going back to that HEW Report that

what they envisioned ...oeventually is a system here

throughout not only Illinois but presumably other States

in this countryg that would drasticaiiy alter our '

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.. p .ah.o.traditional educational system by adding . . .ah

.. .this educational service down to age 3 or 2 or whatever

it may be but the hooker in it being that the evidence of

need....anowvao.ahp.owouldn't necessarily be the factor.

This would be..yah-.-.an educational systeh down to thak

age regardless of whether or not a need existed. Is this

your understanding?''

Chapman: ''Ah...the proposalo..ah...of Representative Caldwell,

is for children who need compensatory education. The

proposal in the White House Report was that there be raise

for local school districts where the local school distriet

saw the need..o..to offer programs of early childhood ed-

ucation. It was not a.....a blanket kind of program but' one whieh ...ah....had a local opEion.e

Hudson: ''Thank you. May I speak to the Bill....er....only on

the Amendment....Mr. Speaker?l'

Telcser: ''Only on the Bi11.....We#re on Third Reading of the

. Bi11.''

Hudson: ''Wel1, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the

House...m.l'm going to speak in opposition to this measure

and ln so doing I wan'i; to say trsat. this is done only with '

a great deal of respect for Representative Caldwell becausk

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1 khink what he is talking about ....ah...is a need and

ah....in a particular area and I can understand this and

I'm sympakhetic to it. But what I think the real thrust

of the Legislation would be if passed would be to open the

door for an extension of educational service at the''.'.o-.ah.

taxpayers expense that we can il1 afford and for that and

I'm going to suggest which in the long run may not be to

the long range benefit of the people footing these tax

Bills. I think that if we began to set up a taxpayers

expensee...educational system and classroom facilities

down to age 2 and age 3 the net result is ....is going to

be to encourage children to move out of the .home and into

o w .ah...schools ...where they become subject to whatever..

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it may beo..othé learning process. Itm''#till old-fashione

enough to believe that insofar as possible our young peopl

. . . .our children-.poshoùld be nurEured.g.taken care of...

tended at the home lével by their parents. I see in this

the possibility of a disruption of a home unit. I look

upon it wiih some fear. I look upon it with..aho..some

apprehension because of the HEW Report and I know that

there is desire on some t9 get our young people and get' ;. J '

them at an early age and begin to introduce them to ideas

that have nothing to do perhaps with ideas that their .

parents might favor. This can happen.. And I'm wondering

. . ..1 think perhaps we ought to think about this...l think

we ought to take a look....a good hard look at what wedre

doing here or maybe opening the door to do. I think.-..l

think that insofar as we can possibly do it..oour children

should remain unde: parental influence at least to age

5 or 6 .p.othak's early enough. Let those formative years

be under the guidance of thèir parentà. Under the guidanc

of their churches, under the guidance of all of those in- '

fluences that weRve traditionally known in this country

, and lnt-. tbe formal stahooling come later.''

Telcserl ''The Gentleman from Cookz Representative Robert DunneoN

Dunneq ''Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. I want to echo' a little bit of what Mr. Hudson..p.Representative Hudson

' has just said. He really has deserkbed this Bill for whatI khink it is..oah.o.sure there is a problem, but this is

really a babysitter Bill. And the Representative should

know thae the estimated cost of this Bi11 ...to tho eax-

payers of Illinois is almost $24,000,000. And wefve got

to stand here today and I think start to recognize the

taxpayer. This is a bad Bill and I urge its defeat.l

Telcser: ''The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Schneider.n IISchneider: ''DuPage.''

Telcser: llllm sorry.p...the Gentlemangs from DuPage.....I $

didn't mean to hurt your feelingsw''

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Schneider: ''Thanks a 1ot Art. It takes a .... more than that.

Ah....the Bill itselfp..is, 1 think essentially Eound.

WeAve looked at some of the questions that relate 'to prob-

ably the probable cost, but in reference to my colleaguee j

Representative Hudson, I think when we talk about value

systems we talk about Iem in terms of multiple value

systems. But, you don't isolate the school from the famil'

nor the church but in effpct they are a kind of a compre-

hensive system thak none of us can avoid. Now, I would

suggest khat the attitudes and the values that are spoken

in the classroom at an early age are the values of ones

attitude toward schools. There is no .v.proselytizing

in church issues, there are no proselytizingsv.-nature in

terms of Constitutional questions but rather when you're

talking about educational opportunity and when you're

talking about giving children a fair chanceoopand a fair

shakes..oabouk learning to their greatest capacityp..you

can do a nxxmher of things of value in early education.

One iso..othe awareness of ones world around him with

the children learning how to socialize. We don't live

. ina.a world that.z.wisalates ourzJelves frcm 'one anotbar. s

So, just in that case it is always worthwhile to have

children learning how Eo relate to one another ln a

multiple situation. I might also suggest that you can...

begin to identify educational problems earlier than 3

years old but certainly at least at 3, 4, 5 and 6. We

talk about visually handicapped children, perceptfonally

handicapped children, children who have come from a bad

home and have no interest in education. They come from

homes that child-talk and monosyllabic language rather

than continual sentence structure. They come from homes

that are promoted by visual aids such as television, they

never get a chance to really discuss, to experience and

to talk. I think it's a good Bill, it's one that I be-

lieve deserves a high vote. I think it's essential to

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good education and I hope we can support it.''

Telcser: ''Thé Gentleàan from Cookz Represehtative Brandt. .

'.. . .

.. . . .The Genrtleman has moved thé Pre/ious Questionoo . . . .

Those in favor signify by saying eayee, the opposed fno'.

Representative Caldwell to closeo''

Caldwell: ''Thank you Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen: ..a

in repopse to some of thev . .ah...two Gentlemen who ...ah..have expressed some opposition to this Bill

, I would simpl

like ko say thato..ahowlêm not surprised. Also, that

one of the Gentlemen said he was old-fashioned enough to

believe in the old system. I think one of the criteria of

being 'revelant' to today's society is to keep abreast of

what's happening in whatever field that we express some

knowledge about. Ah...Research has indicated that regard-

less of ...of the communiEies in which children come, that

they can gàin knowledge more rapidly if they are given the

advantage of pre-kindergarten traihing. Aho.oone Gentleman

said thak the Bill would cosk some 424:000.000, l'm in-clined to go along with the estimate from the Superintenden

of Public Instruction's Offiee and it said that as far as

this'Bill was concerned it would .. .it would be initiated

for less than a million dollars. We have a lot of fiscal

experts. I think that we all canet be expert in every''

field'ahd I thini thàt we ought to be guided by the agencie

for which the tax payers are paying them to doo . o .certain

a/àigned jobs.' One of the things that I would like toemphasize and I think that even the most nàive of us can

understand that. .....A great portion of the seven

billion dollar budget of this State is spent in maintaining

prisons..e.maintaining mental institutions and maintaining

a......pub1ic aid rolls where we have denied the opportunit

that in early life for people to get a chance. So I think

thak we would be remiss in our duties in not. . .ah...ah...

supporting this Bill and I would urge all of us to give it

a green light up there and let's move on and be responsible

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Telcsebz f'The queétion is, shall House Bill 1848 pass? All. ,

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;those in favor signify'by voting 'aye', the opposed by ) 1

voting 'noRt Thé Gentleman from Madisone Representatfve

Walters to explain his vote.'' '

Walters: ''Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the

House, this Bill was heard in our Committee and I think

before you vote qreen on this Bill you may consider a

little bit. I think I may have a conflict of interest

here because I am a family Man and I believe in the family

as the numher one unit in society. This is another step

by the State of Illinois and the Legislature to take over

the responsibiliky for our children and to get them out of

the home a little bit faster an2 I Ehink it is a very ' .

dangerous precedent. E would lil--e tc tell you a story o.%

a Bill that was similar to this which we hado..it had to

do with breakfast in public schools and I asked a witness

from Chicago if he thought at any time about the possfbilk y

of serving dinne: to the school childreh also? And I

would like to tell you that he hesiEated for a moment be-

fore he answered. ....and then he finally said, well we.

t j. ,haven .t thought about that. I think this is the direct on

we% re going, this is a very dangerous precedent, this .is

a bad Bill. . othe whold idea of taking khe children away

from the family at an earlier age is just unbelieveable to

me and I please urge you to vote 'nod.''

Telcser: ''Have all voted who wish? The Gentl+man from McHenry

Representative Skfnner.''

Skinner: ''Mr. Speaker, it seems to me that we had a much more

reasonable Bill.'befoke us previously this week and that

was susan Catania's Bil1. It would have cost $500,000

for ...ah...as deductions fron the lncome tax ko pay for

'day care'.o..ln effect this is a day care Bill but I just

think $24,000.000 is far in excess of what it deserves

at this point and I must vote 'no'.''

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Telcsef: l'The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Lechowfczo''

Lechowicz: ''Very briefly, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen

of the House, what .we're trying to do here is to provide

a worthwhile prggram so wheh a ehild reaches the early

schooling age that he is made adaptable for the proper

type of instructions. You know we sit and 'think many time

here as far as how we can cut the budget in very many

different ways. And one ?f the highest budget bills we: '

have in State Government Public Aid. '''lf you want to re-

duce that budget in the coming years these typeé of Bills

are going to have to pass this floor of this House. More

invesEing in children so they can be taught properly.

Talk about dropout rates and the failures in our schoolsy

Why? Because Legislakion like this has not been passed

before. We talk abouk failing responsibility and I agree

with that but more important is that the student has the

adaptability to learn. If this Bill pass and I hope it

does, this will beo..shelp these students and these

families. I encourage an 'aye' vote./

Telcserr ''The Lady from Cook, Representative Chapman.''

, Chapmenr ''In explaining my laye' vote, perhaps T can clarify

one of the problems that seens to ...ah...come up this

morning. This is not a baby-sikking Bill. Ah...A nlzmher

of people seem to think of baby-sitting in :he same.....

ah...at the same time that they think of early childhood

education. Research shows that it is in these early years

that children learn the fastest and the best, retain the

best ...ah...you only need to look at what fsesame Streetf

and 'The Electric Company'.....these tWo television ed-

ucational television ...ah..aprograms have done to ...ah..

learning in our country to know how imporkant it is to

provide educational opportunities particularly for childre

from backgrounds which are underprivileged. I hope you

will approve this good education Bi1l.''

Telcsert ''Have al1 Moted who wish, take the record. On this

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question there are 78 'ayese, 45 enays', and this Bill

having failed to receive the Constitutional Majority is

hereby declared lost. Representative Manne for what

purpose do you risep Sir? .......On the Order of Postponed

Consideration appears...o.is Representative Philip on ihe

floor?o...okay. ....On khe Order of Postponed Consideratio

appears House Bill 1477. for khich Ehe Gentleman from CookèRepresentative J. M. Houiihan is recognized.''

Houlihan, J.M.: ''Mr. Speaker.o.pl'd like permissiono.ower.....

leave of the House to bring this back to Second Reading

for the purpose of an Amendment..aa''

Telcser: ''Are there any objections? Hearing none, 1477 is on

the Order of Second Reading.n Will the Clerk please read

the Amendment?''

Jack O'Brien: ''Amendment #5, Houlihan, amends House Bill 1477

as amended by inserting before the last paragraph, Section

34-2.1, the following, ahd so forkh.''

Telcser: ''The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Houlihanw/

Houlihan: ''Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the Housep

this Amendment arises from the discussion that we had on

Second Reading concerning this Bill..o.and what it does is it! .allows the Mayor to have the right to reject the first

panel of recommendations from the Nominating Commissionf

He could do this within 15 days and request 3 additional

names .ooo.another panel. It was my feeling that a valid

point was raised. That if the Mayor is to be responsible

and to have the ....ah.qwaccountability in' his office he

ought ko have the ability to ..ahoo.select.p.pand I think

this gives him greater freedom and greater ..oaho.ability

. ..ah...to selec: a proper name...one Ehat he finds that i

.. .ah...fit and worthy of the appointmentooaAnd I don't

think that we have a siEuation where thê panel wonld re-

commend ...ah...6 names where he could not find one qual-

ified individual for serving on the school boardaooooAnd

l'd move for the adoption of this Amendment.''

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6s. jTelcser: ''Is there any discussion? The Gentleman has mo#ed

. . ..for the adoption of Amendment 45 to House Bill 1477,

a11 in favor signify by saying 'aye', the opposed 'no'.

The Amendment is adopted. Are there further Amendments?

Third Reading. The Bill has been read a third time and

the Genkleman from Cook, Representativa J. M. Houlihan.''

Houlihanz ''Mr......Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of

the House, this Bill was debated on in Seèond Reading and

l : debated on Third Rea2'ing. . . .ah...I put it on Postponeal o

Consideration to see if I could wokk out some ...ah..more

agreeable way to put the Bill ...ah...in the form it is

now. I would ask for a favorable eonsideration because

I believe that we should keep in the City of Chicago the

appointed school system. Even though I think some of the

people in the neighborhoods have raised serious questions '

about how they can be involved in those appointments and

even though some people have suggested the school boards

. . .'eleté' it because it is noE elected, I think this Bill

allows us ko mainkain an appointed school board and still

involve people from the neighborhood and make it much more

representative and I'd ask for a favorable Roll Cal1.''

Telcser: ''The Gentleman from Cookr Representatiye Berman.''

Bermanr ''Thank youe...ah...Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentle-

men of khe House, I rise in opposition to Uouse Bill 1477.

Weere on Third Readingp I rise in opposition to the Bill.

l think that the Sponsor has made some changes ...from the

way the Bill was originally introducçdg I think those

changes have improved the Bill....except in one area....

that I have suggested by way of an Amendment: which the

Sponsor refused to accept and which he opposed on the

floor of this Houseo..o.and khe whole essence of that

Amendment and the thing thak I think is fatal to this 'Bi1l

is that we are mandating that the Mayor choose some people

suggested to him, people who have no responsibility and

no accountability to the people of the City of Chicago.

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.That's the fatal defect as I view it in this Bill. The

Mayor runs for election, he is responsive and accountable

to the people of the C'ity of Chicago. If you look at this

h idea is a good one, we seek'to broadenBill, although t e

the input as to suggestions. these are not suggestions...

these are mandates.oa.v.by faithless, namelesse unaccount-

able people within the......City of Chicago. To me that

concept is fatal because I don't know who's going to be

making khese recommendations, I don't know who's going to

be suqgesting these people, and we are mandating that the

Mayor must choose from the people suggested by these ....

faithless/ nameless people. Regardless of how well mean-

ing they are, they are not accountable to meao.oand I don'

know who khey are accountable to. .... The Mayor is .....

table to ehe people of ehe Ci ty o: Chicago z'; .' .ataccoun

least through a ballot box and every other 'method of free

speech and free assembly and I suggest that in order to

keep Ehe Mayor accounkable, the Mayor responsible and the

Mayor responsive to the needs of the City of Chicago,o...

that House Bill 1477 be rejected and I urge a 'no' votepo

Telcser: ''The Gentleman from Cooke Representative Kosinski.''

Eosinski: ''Will the Sponsor yield to a questionz''

Telcser: I'He indicates he willo''

Kosinski: ''Jim, does this permit the Mayor to have the right

of veto?

Houlihan: ''Excuse me, Representativeop

Kosinskiz ''Does ...this...give...the Mayor the right of veto?''

Houlihan: ''Not directly, Representative, what this does is it

gives the Mayor a listing from which he can select his

choice. The listing he is given is.o.are three recommend

ations from which he in fact should select one. Now, he

has stated a numher of times, I believe in 1955 when he

was addressing the Citizens Schools Committee, that he

thought this was a good process and he was going to work

to legalize khis.....Ah....but it doeso...it does not give

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hit a veto in the sense that he's not vetoing all three of

those nameso.-he's not ...ah...the Commission is not re-

commending one name for one posiEièn'y. it's recommending

a numher of names po.vthree namesw...for one position. No r

he can Vetq that first slate if he does not feel it meets

his requirements, he can then go back to the Commission an

recommend they come up with additional names and in thatAjpsense he does have a veto.'

i ki: R'But does this give him the right of veto...eowithKos ns

the other names added to the list: Jim?''

Houlihan: ''Noe it's my feeling that the Commissionv..aho.a.in

its second slate is given two opp6rtunities ....six names. .

will come up with one name that the Mayor can find fitting

ah . . .f or appoinknterzt . ''

Kosinski: laim, in supporting.o.....ah...may I address khe Bil #

Sir?''

Houlihan: ''Please, Sir./

Kosinski: ''In supporting the Right of Veto for the President

of the United States, for the Governor of the State of

Illinois and for the Mayor in Municipalitiesy I will not

be able to vote for this Bi11.''

Teicser: ''Any further dlscussion? The centleman from Cook,

Representative...othe Gentleman from Champaigne Repres-

entative Hitschfeldo''

Hirschfeld: *Ah....Mr. Speaker, I wonder if the distinquished

Minority Leader, who happens to be on our side of the aisl

could tell me whether this is one of Representative Houlih n's

personal Bills or is this an Administration Bill?''

Telcser: NAny further discussfon? Tf not, the Genkleman from

Cook: Representative Houlihan to close.-...l'm sorrye did

you want to respond, Reprçsentative Choate.o..in Richard

Walshls ...ah...ah...''

choate: ''Ah....I'd like to tell 'Butch#oo.ah.gthato.aho.my

voicê is about goneo..l havenît consulte; Representative

Houlihan about this..ah...he's not normally in the positio

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of acting as a shillz but.o.ah.o.is this an administration

Bill, Jim?''

Houlihan: ''On this side of the aisle we have so many adminis-

trations that 1....1 think it is safe to say it is some-

ones administration Bil1.''

Telcser: ''The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Houlihan to

closeo''

Houlihan: ''Mr. Speaker and Lqdies and Gentlemen of the General

Assembly, I believe that this is a very serious matker.

Yesterday we passed out a Bill from Executive Committee

calling for an elected school board. I don't think that

ke should only have one Bill to improve the school board

system, I think that we ought to have a Bill which tries

to implement some of the recormlondations on the ilected

school board but keeps us with the nominating proceedure

and the appointment procedure of the Mayor of Chicago.

In responding to Represenkative Kosinskies questfon, ..ah.

'we're not actually talking about veto power.oopwe're talk-

+ing about recommendations and if you will recall that in

the Missouri Merit Selection of Judges, they recommend

and require that there is an appointment from those re- '

commendations. This has been tried before and I don't

khink ik is apt to apply veto power to this selection.

I don't think that these people can be termed nameless or

faceless, they are people who are responsible and kho have

been ihvolved with community and school affairs and I woul'

ask for a favorable Roll Call on this account to improve

the nominating procedure of the Chicago School Board-l

Telcser: ''The question is, shall House Bill 1477 passz A11


voting 'no'. The Gentleman from Cook, Representative

Douglas Eo explain his vote.''

Douglas: ''Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House,

l canît resist the temptation in light of the rather ....

facies.....ah.smquestion asked of Representative......

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I Houlihan to say.oothak....letdsww..let's face up to what

the administration of the City of Chicago is. Chicago has

traditionally run by a monolithic dictatorshipo-..and that s

what's coming from this side of the aisleo.aoand because

of the fact that Chicago is monolithically dictated to by

one person and a few people around him, those few of us

who care about opening up the democratic process in the

City of Chicago want Bills like this to pass and we ask

for the support of those of you who recognize that we

cannot change that dictatorial policy without the assistan e

of those in this General Assembly who sympathize with us

as we try to gather more power to be able to fight back.

The Mayor of the City of Chicago traditionally appoints,

ko everykhing, his relatives, his friends and a 1ot of

other people, he doesntt care what his advisory commission

say.w...wefre asking you to give us a little bit of help

in passing a Bill which will let him know that he has

got to be more accountable. And all the other things

stated by Representative Berman and others are just......

are just poised..ko avoid the basià issue and we need

your help. Thank youavery muchw''

Telcser: ''The Gentleman from Cook, Representative J. M.

Houlihan to explain hïs vote.e

. Houlihan: ''Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen, in explain-

ing my vote, let me point out khat khis is not an anti-

Mayor of Chicago Bill, that this Bill is not an attempt

to take a swing or a swipe at Ehe Mayor of the City of

Chicago. This is a pro-education Dil1. This is a Bill

trying to deal with the problems of education in our citi sz

very serious problems. Zn no way is this trying to ad-

dress the fact of the Mayor of Chieago in terms of his

power, his control over the City. This is merely an

education B11l, an attempt to address the problem of

appointments and how they are arrived at and how we get

community envolvement in those appolntmenks. In no way

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j directed at the City of Chicago , or the Mayor of that

City, it ' s merely an education Bill and a Bill in favor of

those children envolving those people in the neighborhoods

lection process . ''and not se

Telcser : î'The Gentleman f rom Madison, Representative Kennedy. ''

Kennedy: ''Mr . Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House # I

was voking ' aye % # on this Bill until Representative

Bruce Douglas accused Mayor Daley of being a dictator . I

don ' t know that and I don ' t agree with that so you vote

me 1 resent ' ''p .

Telcser : ''The Gentleman f rom Cook # Representative Yourell .0

Yourell: ''Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the

Houser I . . . .the Sponsor of this Legislation. . . .er . . . .of

this Bill had convinced me as to the merits of the Bill

and you can see that I am voking 'aye'..o.on this Bill

until Representative Douglas got up and convinced me it

was a Bill I ought to be voting 'noî on.''

Telcser: ''Have al1 voted who wish? The Gentleman from Cook,

Representative Thompscn.''

Thompson: ''Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House,

. ah...-l' wonld 'tikc to eyplain whoy lxnr ''ote fs up thern xed..

'No' vote. I don't khow the organizations that are going

to recommend these people to the Mayor and after they are

recemmended he must accept one of them, it's mandating him.

And then one of the previous speakers said that...ah..othe

Mayor was a dictator, and ht talked with the attitude ofa dictator like he would wish to be onee for khak reason

I am voting 'no'. ''

Telcser: ''Have al1 voted who wishz Take the record. On this

question there are 44 'ayes'p 64 'nays' and this Bill hav-

ing failed ko receive the Constitutional Majority is here-by declared lost. On the Order of Postponed Consideration

appears House Bill 452, for which purpose the Gentleman fr m

Cook, Representative Bluthardt is recognized.''

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Bill 452 has been up twice. I dubbed that ball twice but

maybe the third time I can hit one. It's the vacanto.e...

Legislative Vacancy Bill. I think it's a good Bill. Ther ,

was some quesitons asked of me since the last time it was I!up..o.why aren't the vacancies filled by electlonsw..by '

special elections...simply because the Constitution says. Ithat it shall be by appointment. I ...1 would certainly I

hope that we can cet enough Bills.o..erowpovotes this time IIto pass this urgent Bill.''I

Telcser: ''The question is shall House Bill 452 pass? Al1 thos !Iin favor signify by voting 'ayef, the opposed by voting'

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'no' Have al1 voted who wish? The Gentleman from Cook, I

.' ' ê ' 1Representakive Mann.

Mann: ''Mr. Speaker, IRm just moved to say.w.lwhat a difference 1* f r . Ia day alakes . Remenbaz Uze song Imat a Ditfezence a Day

. . 1Makes.' 1'11 vote layel.'' .

Telcser: ''Have all voted who wish? Representative Mann, did I

you have something else you wanted to say?.........Have. I

all voted who wish? Take the Record. On this question I:

there are l42 'ayes', one 'nay', and this Bill having re-. I

ceived the Constitutional Majority is hereby declared

passed. On the Order of Conslderation Postponed, appears

House Bill 1536. for which purpose the Gentleman from Cook' 1Representative Giglio is recognized.'' I

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Giglio: ''Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of

the House, this is :he Bill that was taken off yesterday

and ...ah...put back on today. It's''thekbne that changes

thev...ah...serviees to be put under the Department of .

General Services. Transfers all the necessary functions

to khe Department of General Services. I feel we talked

about it quite a bit, there's been a lot of back and forth

understanding...mmisunderstandingo..l think everybody is

well acquainted with the.....ah...Bill and I'd ask for. I' 'k

your favorable support.'' I

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Hirschfeld.''

Hirschfeldz ''We1l, Mr. Speaker, I've knpwn the diskinguished

sponsor of this Bill for some six months now and I must

say that until he had this Bill was the first time I saw

gray hairs in his head..oand I....and I think they are

there for a reasono.o..l'd be worrying too if I was

carrying a Bill like this.' This is probably the most....

aho.powith a1l due respect to Representative Matijeviche

the most partisàn Bill that I have seen come down the pipe

in a long.e.long time..o.and I like to say to my fellow

Republicans ...Members...that I realize that the lobbyists

for the Deparkment of General Services have been going

around this floor ...aho..encouraging some of the Members

to vote for this B1ll saying that their people will be

protected..o.but if one or two of us sells out on this

Bill and lets the rest of us hang.w.which is what could

happen..al suggest to you that when the layoffs start

coming ......'as they will come..oafter thesê jobs are

transferred .o..youlre going to be hard pressed ko explain

to your Republican constituents why you voted for this; 'particular Bill. And knowing Representative Giglio's

expertise in other areas...l would suggest that this Bill

nOY 'fly'@'?

Telcser: ''The Gentleman from Cook: Representative William

Walsh . ''

Walsh: 1'Wel1p Mr.....Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of

the House, I subsèribe indeed to everything that the

Gentleman from Champaign has just said..ooand I'd like to

point out to Representative Mann that there is no need

for him to vote for this Bill because the previous Bill

passed. This isn't a part of any kind of a deal. This

Bill is bad today...just as it was bad a week ago and ....ah.g.some time before that when it was brought up. I'm

just afraid that there may have been some Republicans who

. . paho.have been approached because there have been some

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people Ealking here for the past couple of weeks on this

I Bill and I'm afraid we may have been splintered a little

bit....I hope not. Because there are many of us who have

not been and there are people.o.gRepublicans who are def-

inately going to loose their jobs because of this Bi11.

This Bill is an attempt to reclassify people so that they

can be fired ....in effect. And that's what wedre doing

here and I'd like for the Republican Members to know that

so that maybe they ean.o..ah...not vote for the Bill or

vote 'no'....which I intend to doo''

Telcser: ''The Gentleman froh Uniony Representative Choateo''

Choatez ''Welle Mr. Speakere I....don't blame the Majority

Leader for being apprehensive about any employees that he

or any other Momher on that side of the aisle might have,

but I want to say to you that the Director of the

Department of Personnel and the Director of the Departmen

of General services have responded a-in writing...in

writing.r..to Republican Membersp.p.who have requested khe

information that the Majority Leader is right now talking

abouk. That this is not a fact, what the Majority Leader

saâd-w..they have responded in writing that this will be

lateral transfersow w..of people and consequently what he

is afraid of...the Majokity Leader that is....is not 'true.

Itîs not going to be a wholesale firing.w.because of a re

classification or anything else. The two Directors ....

the two Directors have put it in writing...-to Members

on that side of the aisle that have requested the infor-

mation.''

Telcser: ''The Gentleman from Cooky Representative Laurino.W

Laurino: oMr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Housee

I'd like to move the Previous Question.''

Telcser: WThe Gentleman has moved the Previous Question. A1l

in favor signify by saying 'aye'. the opposed êno'. The

motion prevails. Representative Giglio to c1ose.....Do

you wish to close, Representative Giglioz''

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Giglio: ''Thank youe Mr. Speaker...ahoopjust to say ...1 agree

with the remarks of my Leader on my side of the aisle and

the only thing I have to say is o..ahg.this Billou'isn't

even passed yet o.oand there is a lot of people that are

loosing their jobs alregdy.v-so I don't think this has

anything to do with loosing jobs. The thing is wedre

trying to economize and put everything under one roof and

I'm sure everybody would ...if they looked at it.aowould

understand it and I ask for your favorable support.'?

Telcser: ''The question is, shall House Bill 1536 pass? All


voting 'no'. Have a11 voted who wish? Take the record.

On this question there 95 'ayes',32 'nays', and this Bill

having received the Constitutional Majority........ReP-resentative.....Representative Robert Dunney for what

purpose do you rise, Sir?''

Dunnez ''I think the honor system has really been violated

here......I hate to do this......

Telcserr ''Do you wâsh .....verification?....All right.g...a

verification ias been.o...nepresentative William Walsh,

for what purpose do you rise?'';

Walsh: ''Well, Mr. Speaker, in........with that, I've been in-'

jjfom ed by the Clerks Of f ice that there are many switc es' being pulled for Mnmhers who are not here. I would sugges

'that ..oah.o.perhaps another Roll Call is in order.o.ah...

. . .ah....that we are aware that there are manv people who

are voted who are not here.''

Telcser: ''0kay.....The Gentlenan indicates that there .......

just as soon have the absentees polled and then go through

the verification..o..currently 95 'ayes'. The Clerk will

please read the names of the absentees.''

Jack OfBrien: ''Anderson: Arrigo, Blade, Bluthardt, Collins,

Deavers, Deuster, Raiph Dunn, Dyere Eptone Geo-Kafisy

Granata, Griesheimer, Hart, Hirschfeld: G. L. Hoffman,

R. Hoffman, R. H. Halloway, Huskey, Kempiners, Kent.

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McGah. Philip, Polk, Porter, Randolph, Rayson, Redmondp

Rigney, Rose, sangmeister, schoeberlein, simms, that's

Tim Simms, Skinner 'presenk', Springer, Stedelin, Stiehle

Telcser: Totten, Tuerk, R. A. Walsh, J. J. Wolf,......''

Telcser: ''Represnetative Stiehl wishes to be reeorded as

voting 'no'.....Hirschfeld 'nol....n '

Jack O'Brien: ''J. J. Wolf, B. B. Wolfe, ...Mr. Speaker.''' x)) l '

Telcserz ''All right on the verificaEiono.o.othe affirmative

Roll Call has been requestèd. Will the Momhers please

be in their seats and raise their hands when ybur name is

called. Will the Clerk please read the name..ooof the

affirmative Roll Cal1.''

Jack O'Brien: 'RAlsup, Barnes, Barry, Beatty, Beauprey Berman.

Boyle, Bradley, Brandt, Brinkmeier, Brummet, Caldwell,

Calvo, Capparelli, Capuzi, Carter, Cataniay Chapman, Choat ,

Craig, Davis, Diprima, Douglas, Ewell, Parley. rary,

Fennessey, Fleck, Flinn, Garmisa, Getty, Giglio, Gforgf,

Hanahan, Hill, J. D. Holloway, D. L. Houlihan, J. M.

Houlihan, Hyde, Jacobs, Jaffe, Emil Jonesy Katz, Kellery

Kelly, Kennedy, Klosak, Kosinskfv Kozubowskf, Kucharskl.,

Laurino, Lechowicze Lemke, Leon, Londrigany Lundy, Madigan,

Mahar, Mann, Maragos, Martin, Matijevich, McAuliffe,

McAvoy, Mcclain, Mccourt, McGrew, McLendon, Mcpartliny

Merlo, Molloy, Mugalian, Murphyy Nardulli, Palmer, Patrick.

Pierce, Piotrowicz, Schisler, Schlickman, Schnieder, ' '

Schraeder, Sevcike Sharp, Shea' Ike Simse Stone, Taylor, .

Terzich, Thompson, Tipsword, VonBoeckman, Wall, Washington,

williams, Yourell.''

Telcser: ''Are there questions of the Affirmative Roll Cail?

Representative Springer wishes to be recorded as voting

'no'o . . . -Representative Springer do you wish to be record-

ed as voting 'no'......All right, record Representative

Springer as voting îno'. Representative Macdonald for

what purpose do you e.v..Representative Macdonald wishes

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Telcser: 'L ...say Barryo....he is on the Floor.''

Dunne: ''Brinkmeier.''

Telcser: ''Representative Brinkmeier ...on the Floor?.....He

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' Dunne: ''Fennessey.'' .

Telcser: ''Representative Fennessey on the Floor?.....He is in ,

his seat.'' ' '

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Telcser: ''Representative Fleck on the Ploor?..aHow is the .

Gentleman recordedo''

Jack O'Brienz 'lThe Gentleman is recorded as voting 'ayeeon

Telcser: ''Take him off the Roll Ca11.* .

Dunne : ''Getty . '' . '

Telcser: ''Representative Getty on the Ploor?o..oHow is the

Gentleman recorded?'' .

Jack O'Brien: ''The Gentleman is recorded as voting 'aye#o''

Telcser: ''Take him off the Roll Call.* '' mm ne : ''Hanahàn ''

Telcser: ''Representative Hanahan on the Floor? kow is the

.' Gentleman recorded?''

Jack O'Brien: ''The Gentleman is recorded as voting layee.l

Telcser: ''Take him off of the Roll Call.'' . .

Dunne: ''J. D. Holloway.''

Telcser: 'WRepresentative Holloway on Ehe Floor? Jim Holloway?

How is the Gentleman recorded?'' '

Jack O'Brien: ''The Gentleman is recorded as voting 'aye'. ''

Telcser: ''Take him off of the Roll Call.*

Dunne: ''Katz.''

Telcserz ''He is on the Floorp''

Dunne: ''Ke11er.''

Telcser: ''Representative KelleroooHe's hereg Okayol'

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Dunne: ''Klosakw''

Telcser: ''Representatiye Klosak on the Floor? How is the


Jack OlBrien: ''The Gentleman is recorded as voting 'aye'.''

Telcser: ''Take him off of the Roll Cal1.''

Dunne: '.Hyde.''

Telcserz ''Representative Hyde on the Ploor? How is the Gentle

man recorded?''

Jack O'Brien: ''The Gentleman is recorded as voting 'aye'm''

Telcser) ''Take him off of the Roll Call.''

Dunne: ''Madigan.''

Telcser: ''Representative Madigan on the Floor? Mikea...Yeah

. . ..he's on our side of the aisle.''

Dunne: ''Mcclain.''

Telcser: ''He#s right here by the Clerk's desko''

Dunne: ''Mugalian.''

Telcser: ''He is sitting in his seat.''

Dunne: ''Pierce.''

Telcserz ''Representative Piercç..o.pis in his seako''

Dunnez ''Sevcikp''

Telcser: ''Representative Sevcik...on the Floor? How is the


Jack O'Brien: ''The Gentleman is recorded as voting 'aye*.'o

Telcser: ''Take him off of the Roll Call.'' x

Dunne: ''shea.''

Telcser: oRepresentative Shea is right here.l

Dunne: ''Ah.....VonBoeckman.''

Telcser: ''RepresentaEive VonBoeckman on the Floor? He is

sitting in his seato''

Dunne: ''Yourell........hees here I see him.''

Telcser: ''AII right.''

Dunne: ''Who else have we got? .....Ah.....Beatty.''

Telcsert ''Representative Beatty on the floor? He is in his

Seat. î'

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is standing right beside Representative .....''

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Telcserz ''Representative Calvo is in his seatp''

Dunne: ''Flinn.''

Telcser: ''Representative Plinn on the Floor? How is the


Jack O'Brien: ''The Gentleman is recorded as voting RayeR.''


Dunne: ''Ah J. Houlihan.''

Telcser: ''Representative Jim Houlihan is here Sir, sitting in

Schneider's seat.'' '

Dunne : ''Jacobs . '' '

Telcser: ''RepresenEative Jacobs is sitting in his seat.o

Dunne: ''McCour:.'' .

Telcser: ''Is Representative Mccourt on the Ploor? He's sittin

in his seat.'.

Dunne : 1' Redmond . '' '

Telcser: ''Redmond, Representative Redmond on the Eloor? How

is the Gentleman recorded?H

Jack O'Brien: ''The Gentleman is recorded as not voting.e

Dunnez ''Catania.''

Telcserz ''Representative Catania on the Floor? How is thp

Lady recordeda''

Jack O'Brien; f'The Lady is recorded as voting 'aye'.O

Telcserz ''Take her off of the Roll Call.''

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Telcser: ''Representative Garmisa....is in his seat.'.......,.

''n'' :2 Are there any more questions? #î

Dunne: ''McLendon.......we've got him......Lemke.O

Telcserz ''Lemkeo...Representative Lemke on khe P1oor?....Oh...

here he is right hereo''

Dunne: ''carter..o.Riehard Carter.''

Telcser: ''He is standing in back of the Chamher.o...oAny

further questionso..-''

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Dunne: ''Rayson.''

Telcser: ''Representative Rayson....oHow is the Gentleman re-

cordedo''

Jack OlBrine: 'fThe Gentleman is recorded as not votingo''

Telcser: ''Representative Stedelin, for what purpose do you

rise, Sirz''

Stedelin: ''How am I recorded?''

Telèser: ''How is Representative Stedelin recorded?''

Jack O'Brienz ''The Gentleman is recorded as not votingo''

Stedelin: nvote me, 'ayelp''

Telcaer: ''Rec'ord the Gentleman as voting 'aye'. Represenkati

Huskey, for what purpose do you rise?''

Huskeyr ''How am I recorded?''

Telcser: ''How is the Gentleman recorded?''

Jack O'Brien: ''The Gentleman is recorded as not voting.l

Huskey: ''Vote me 'no' ''

Telcser: ''Record him as voting 'no'. Are there any further

questions, Representative Dunne?''

Dunne: 'Murphy.''

Telcser: ''Is Representative Murphy on the Floor? Oh...He is

right bere....ostanding righk here .....vAre there any .

further questions of the ......That#s itw..what do youk

have ...Jackr............Representative Mccourt for what

purpose do you rise, Sir?''

Mccourt: ''Mr. Speaker, how am I recorded.''

Telcser: ''How is Representative Mccourt recorded?H'

Jack O'Brien: ''The Gentleman is recorded as voting 'ayego''

Mccourt: f'please record me fnof-*

Telcser: WRecord the Gentleman as voting 'nol. ......On this

questfon there are 87 'ayes', 35 'nays', this Bill having

failed to receive a Constitutional Majority is hereby de-

clared....m.lost. Representative Willlam Walsh, for what

purpose do you rise, Siro''

Walsh: ''Mr. Speaker' having voted on the prcvailing side, I

move to reconsider the vote by which House Bill 1536 was

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I Telcser: HThe Gentleman from Champaign, Representative

Hirschfeld.''

Hirschfeld: î'I move that motion lie on the table.'f

Telcser: ''The Genklemans motion..............Okayy there are

five Members khat have request*d a Roll Call. Represen-

tative William Walsh, for what purpose do you rise?''

Walsh: ''I withdraw the request.''

Telcser: ''On the Order of Postponed Consideration appears

House Bill 998. For which purpose the Gentleman from

Sangamon, Representative Jones is recognizedo''

J ''Mr S eaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the HouseQnes: . P ,

House Bill..'98....er 998 is a Bill providing for :''$35

per monkh..o.cost of living inerease for some 6Sy000

State employees. This Bill was discussed ....was discusse

in great detail on May the 30th when it fell two votes

short of passage. &ince that time a numher of those who

voted 'present' have indicated they are.....they've had

second thoughts about it and now would like to have the

opportunity of voting 'aye'.'....So here is that opportunit .

The Skate qmrloyees will appreçiate your 'aye' vote.o .

Telcser: ''The question is shall House Bill 998 pass. All thos

in favor signify by voting 'aye', the opposed by votâng

' 1 The Gentleman from Cook Representative Mann tono . . ,

explain his voEe.''

Mann: ''Ah....Mr. Speaker, will the Sponsor yield to a question n

Telcser: ''Wel1, we're on the Roll Callz but I think he would

. . .. . .in.....explanation.''

Mann: ''Who's is thisw''

Telcserz ''Jones...oRepresentative Dave Joneso''

Mann: 1'Oh....Yeah......Dave....this may be a rhetortcal

question but l'd hope that ...ah...we would get the same

kind of response when it comes ko a cost of living increas

for people who are on Public Assistanceo...and I vote

. j . 11aye .

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''The Gentleman froé Sangamon, Representative Londrig .'''Telcser:

: Londrigan: tJMr. Speaker, as Cosponsor of khis excellentI

( measure, I have encouraged a1l on our side of the aisleto join in on this very worthwhile Bill.''

Telcser: ''Have a11 voted who wish? Take the Record. On this

question......l4l 'ayesl, no 'nays', and this Bill having

received tie Constitutional Majority is hereby declared

passed. Now I want to skip over to the Order of Motions

appears a Motion filed to discharge committee from House')J

Bill 1932, for which purpose the Gentleman from Unione '

Representative Choate is recognized.l ' '

Choate: ''We1l# Mr. Speaker, I hereby moveg pursuant to Rule

67...t0 discharge Committee on Appropriations from furthe

consideration on House Bill 1932 and this Bill be pla*ed

h f House Bills on Second Reading on theon t e Orfer oCalendar.''

Telcserz ''Is there any discussion? The Gentleman has moved

. . . .the Genkleman from Lawernce: Representative Cunningh .''

Cunningham; ''When Ehis matter came up a few days ago, Repres-

entative Ewell had a motion to discharge committee and

it was the ruling then it should have been a motion to

take f roxv' the tablc . hnd thet issue tben an nol'; , was

whekher or not a vote had been taken on the Bill in the

Committee. And on 1932, all agree that there kas a vote

taken in the Committee. shouldn't the same ruling be

a'pplicable here as was applicable in Representative Ewell'

. case and that is there should be a motion to take from th

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Cunningham: ''.....not the Speaker yetpa.oNow I wanted to ask

if a different rule applies to Representative Ewellês

Bill than Rep...than applies to the Minority'Leaders Bil1?' And if so, Why?'ê

Telcser: ''Representative Choate, do you seek recognâtion?n

choate: ''The Princlpal reason being, that if the Gentlemanj '

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would check theoo..re.oa.record of'the Comnittee. .. . o . . .

Representative Ewell's Bill was defeated opothis Bill was

not defeatedo..it had a tie vote in Committee...oand re-

mained in Committee.''

Telcser: ''Representativeo..ahop.ah.v.cunningh= ..''

Cunninghamz ''That's just an unsupported allegation by the

Minority Leader....the.o..the Calendar was ... exactly ...

. the same in regard to his'lBill as Representative Ewell's

Bâ1l.''

Telcser: ''Representative Cunningham..''

Cunningham: ''We have to'go by the Calendar. . o a win that matter.'

Telcser: ''Representative Cunhinghamw...

Cunningham: ''Mr. Speaker..mMr. Speaker...this is not an

allegation....

Telcser: ''It's a fact.....'1

Choate: ''The Committee record is clearo...and I resent

the fact that that Gentlenan would stand over there and

attempt Eo any manner ....1ead anyone to believe that me

or anyone else as far as Iêm concerned..pwould misrepresen

the facts as kheyo....them in Committeeooothis was a tie

i vote on this Bill in Committee and if you'll check ihe

record you would see that the Bill is still in Committee

it's not on the Speakers Table and the Motion is correcto''

inghamz ''And I resent theo.-theo'-oo..demonstrated capacity '. unn

for you to strong-arm your will above one of your own

Members in preference to his rights in this case and I'm

referrfng ko Representative Ewell's Bill.N

Telcser: ''Well, Representative Cunningham, youvve made an

inquiry of the Chair.o.ahm.othe Chair was a Member of that

Committee and I can assure you thatoo.that..Bill was a

12-12 tie Roll Calloo...there was no action taken on the

Bfll.'.'.;.1t does not lie on the Speakers Table...it aoes

in fact still 1ie in posseskion of the Committeeoo.so

therefore the Gentleman's motion is a proper one.''

Cunningham: 'fI would hope that if Representative Ewell makes

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an effert to bring up his white collar crime Bill againe

that he would get the same preferential oowwtreatment that '

is being given to the Minority Leadero''

Telcser: ''The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Ewel1.''

Ewell: ''Just sânce my name bas been used in ...debate...l thin

the Gentleman, Mr. Cunninkham is in error. There was a

technical error in my motion when it was presented since

it was presented so long ago and the ruling of the Chair

was correcto.oo.it should...the motion should have been to

take from the Table since the Bill was on the Table and

not to discharge the Committeeo..lt was a technical error

I did not wish to further use the...the time of this body

for oo.ah.p.what might have'b'een needless debake and

therefore I simply tabled the motion.''

Telcserz ''Okaye the Gentleman 'from Union, Representative Choate

has moved to discharge the Appropriations Committee from

considerakion of House Bill 1932. A1l in favor of the

Gentleman's motion signify by voting 'aye'e the opposed

by voting 'no'. This will take 89 votes. Have a1l voted

who wishz Take the Record. On this question there are. . ' :l05 'ayes', one înay', and the Gentleman's motion to dis-

charge the Committee from consideration of House Bill 1932

prevails. Okay,..mon the Order of Postponed Consideraiio

appears House Bill 1091, for which purpose the Gentleman

from Cook, Representative Merlo is recognizedo''

Merlo: ''Mr. Speaker and Members of the House, this Bill was

presented to the Membership owvjust a few days ago.w.very

brïeflyw..ât does have Congressional bipartisah ..wsuppor

it was a formula worked out by the Election Committee and

a1l it does is to assure that the Elections to fill the

congressional vacancy takes place within ll5 days of the

issuance of a rit of vacancy and I ask for your favorable

Roll Call.''

Telcserz ''Is there any discussion? The question is, shall

House Bill 1091 pass? A11 those in favor signify by voti

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'ayef, the opposed by voting lno' Have a11 voted who

wish? Take the record. On this question ....125 'ayes',

no 'nays', and this Bill having received the Constitution l

Majority is hereby declared passed. On the order of

Consideration Postpaned appears.....Representatïve Willi

. . . . .record Representative William Walsh as voting 'aye'.

On the order of Consideration Postponed appears House Bi1

1692, for which pùrpose the Gentleman from Cooky Repre-

sentative Mugalian is recognized.''

Mugalian: ''Mr. Speaker.p..ah...mRepresentative Rayson asked

me to handle this in his absenceo....May I have leave?

. . . . . .. . .. . .Mr. speakerw....khis Bill was discussed a few

days ago and the Synopsis is accurate as to what the Bill

intends to do. Just very briefly, since we have debated

ite I'd like to give you the pros and also the cons as

to this Bill. In favor of this Bill is the fact that w'e

all recognize that the envitonment is a very important

issue today and thak utilities are.w.eodo have a major

part in whether our air and our water is-o.ah...as free

from pollutanEs as possible. This Bill does not cover

transportation companies ....it essenEially covers public'

utilites such as power and light.o...and gas..o.The Bill

does not cost anything, it merely requires that utili'ties

make an honest effort to m..ahoo.accomodate the require-

ments of the environmenk and for the cleaning up of the

atmosphere and the....and the a..ah.w.water. Nowg as far

as the arguments against this Bill is concerned..vah...

I scratch my head and I can't find any. Ah....This reall

is a good Bill and I aSk that you vote....p.vote 'aye'o''

Telcserz ''Is there any discussion? The question ls shall

House Bill 1692 pass? All those in favor signify by

voting 'aye'. the opposed by voting 'no'. Have a11 voted

who wish? Thn Gentleman.oew...wrecord Representative

Schraeder as voting 'Present'. ........Duff eno'.

I Capuzi 'aye'. Have al1 voted who wish? ....I'm sorry...li

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Capuzi 'no'. Have al1 voted who wish? Take the reeord.

Mann 'aye'. Mann laye'. Schraeder wishes to be voted

. . .o . tunintelligiblel..wwchoate eaye', Bchraeder was

'presenk'. On this queskion there are 53 eayes'......er..

55 'ayes'e 24 Tnaysî: one answering 'presentf, this Bill

having failed to receive a Constitùtional Majority is

hereby declared passed......I'm....Ilm sorry.....LOST.

.. . .On the Order of Consideration Postponed appears House

Bill 576, for which purpose the Gentleman from Lake,

Representative Piekce is recognizedo''

Piercez ''Ah....Thank you. Mr. Speaker, you kept me in town...

Ah..o.House Bill 576..ah..had about 95 votes the okher

day until Representative Fleck caught it. Actuallyoo...

Actually it is a good Billo...what it does isv...it pro-

vides that in each County over 40,000 in population

and it only effects Counties of over 40,000 in population

khat has a jury commission, that there shall be one of

the three members ...ah....shall be of the second pol-

ïtical party. Now, we do this on our boards of review

in the various counties that review our taxesg there must

. be a minoritu party member. Civil Service CoDmissions

at the County level, at the municipal level, must have

i it arty members. It's not a patronage Bill becausm nor y p

you won't loose your patronage because you'll still have

two of the three members. Many Republicans last time

thought they might loose some patronage under.this Bill,

buE they wonlt because they will still control that

jury commission two Eo one and therefore 'what jobs ...assecretaries and so on op..khey have in the office will

still be controlled by the majority ....and the chairman

of the jury commission ..oand so youdre not going ko

loose patronage: youdre not going to loose jobs, all you

do is make sure that there is minority representation on

the jury commission. These jury commissioners are

appointed by law by the circuit court judges.v..they real

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shouldn't be political but unfortunately many of the

judges around the State are political. In....in defense

of the Cook County jury system, the Cook County Judiciary

always has had a minority party member on their Jury

commission but they are not required to-.ow.but they do

it anyway. Now, i vdted for a 1ot of good government

Bills, introduced by the Republicans over the years,

they haven't had to ask me..p.if I thought they were good

I voted for them. I think this is a good Bill, I don't

think it is a partisan Billo..it's not an administration

Bill....it's not even an IVI Billy it's just my Bil1....

and I'd appreciate supporto''

Telcser: ''The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Duff-''

Duffz ''We11z I have tbe greatest respect for the opinion of,

the...ah...respected Member of the Leadership on the othe

side who suggests that this is not a party Bill. I%m

. . .ah...as Chairman of the Committee from which it came..

I'm disposed io comment that...ah..oit was a party line

vote in Committee...for some reason. Ah....It's my

personal opinion that this Bill does indeed try to chante

the balance in the downstate Counèies to which it refèrs

and..-ah..l would reluctantly suggest that ...ah..it is

indeed one of those Bills which has partisan overtures

that this House probably should not pass.l

Telcser: ''Is there further discussionz If not the Gentleman

from Lake, Representative Pierce to close.D

Pierce: ''I want to tell the previous Gentleman that in my

opinion he is not telling the truth. This is not a

partisan Bill. ...It's a personal Bill of mine because

I think we should have bi-partisan representation on

these jury commissions and by getting up and saying that

in my opinion he's not telling the truth....oAnd there

were Republicans that voted for ito.oand Democrats who

voted againsk it ...in Committee ...it passed the

Republican dominated Committee that he is the Chairman of

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deals with him.v..or agree to vote for his Billsvo.and he;

was a little upset..oit came out of his Committee. But it

- did come out of his Committee. It is not a partisan Bille

it wasn't given to me by a political party, by my County

Chairman, by the Leadership over herez or evenp.w.or even iI

by an independent group. It applies to Cook County. He

said it was a downstate B1ll. The Bill applies to Cook

County and I resent the fact that he is trying to make

it a parkisan Bill and I tell him, Sir, you're not telling

the truth, it is not a partisan Bill.'' ' ,

Telcser: ''The question is, shall House Bill ooo.Representativ '

Duff, for what purpose do you rise, Sir?f?

Duff: ''Mr. Speaker, let's find out who's telling the truth.

Anybody uho wants to, pull put your Roll Call and find

me a Democrat that voted thaE voted against this Bill in

Committee.''

Telcser: ''The question is, shall House Bill 576 pass? A1l

those in favor signify by voting Raye'e the opposed by

voting 'no'. Have a1l voted who wish? Take the record.

On this question there is 71 'ayes', 38 'nays', this Bill

having failed to receive a Constitutional Majority is

hereby declared passed. ....er....Lost again I'm sorry.

Two 'bitesf in a row. On the Order of Postponed Consider

ation appears House Bill 1150, for which purpose the

Gentleman from Cook, Representative Washington. Repres-

entative washington, I think your microphone is on.''

Washington:. ''Oh...Mr. Speaker and Members of the House, I Fis

to thank you for giving me an opporkunity to represent

this Bill due to the absences p..the other day...of those l

who were committed to :he Bi11.....didn't quite make it.

It simply provides that...ah.o.inspectors of beauty

culture establishments shall be licensed beauticians...i

and the effective date is July l of 1975. I ask your '

support.''

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Representative William Walsh.'' ,

Walsh: ''Wel1, 8r. Speaker, I hope there were more people here '

the other day than there are now and weRre considering

this Bill. This Bill got the proper treatment then.

What this Bill does is provide that inspectors of...ah..

beauty shops must be licensed beauty culturists. Nowe

that works an unreasonable hardship on the Departmenk of

Registration and Education because inspectors now inspect

more than one type of profession and well they might.

They inspect several types of professions, checking for

licenses and cleanliness ando..one thin: and another. I

suggest to you that this is the wrong approach to this

thing. Okher inspectors don't have to be licansed in the

' professions that they are inspecting or supervising. Thi

is a bad Bill and it should be defeatedp''

Telcser: e'Is there further discussion? If not, the Gentleman

. from Cook, Representative Washington to close.''

Washington: ''I wish the Majority Leader had checked with the

Department of Education and Registrakion ....he could hav

saved himself making the statement ...and.a-and saved you

ears from being abused from the truth. As a matter of

fact Ehe Department supports it. They asked that it be

deferred until July l of e75 so they could gear up to

prepare for this. They want to fund this thing by ...ah..

increased licensing costs from the agen..ofrom the in-

dustry which wants to pay it. It's an attempt to upgrade

the whole industry and that's what I think welve been .

trying to do in al1 of these various disciplines which

are licensed by the State. Now, I happen to know that

the Majority Leader is opposed to licensing but he keeps

fighting on the wrong plane. It seems Eo me Ehak if he

is opposed to licensing he should come in wlth some kind

of omnibus ....Bill to reconsider or restructure the whole

licensing procedure of the State.....and not take these

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simply to upgrade the industry. I*9s a good Bill the De- '

parkment supports it# they advocated that it be deferred

for two years at which time they think they can have the

machinery togeEher. They feel they can upgrade the in-

dustry by this Bill and notwithskanding his opposikion,

which doesn't surprise me, I ask for your supporto/



voting 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Take the record.

Cakania 'aye'. On this question there are 75 Rayes'e 19

lnays', Representative Washingtonz for what purpose do you

rise? ''

Washington: ''Pol1 the absenteesy Mr. Speaker.'' .'

Telcser: ''Okay, there are current1y.....75 'ayes', Record

Cakania 'aye'.....the Gentleman has asked ....capuzi 'ayeê

Deavers 'aye'....schlickman 'aye'....Do you want to take

another Roll Call? bet's take another Roll Callv..itell

. help the Clerk also. The question is shall House Bill

l50 ass? A1l ihose in f avor signify by voting 9 aye # . . ., l p'

the opposed by votlng 'nof. Have all voted who wish? . '

Everybody vot/ now who wants to vote. Everybody vote?

Sure? ....Wôùld someone vote Mr. Farley 'aye'z Someone

. push Sue Catania...oher switcho.ponot Sue..obut her switch

Have all voted who wish? Take the record. Representeo...

You made a mistake, Bill. On this question there are 86

. o .layes', because Catania was voted 'no' instead of 'aye'

Jacobs 'aye',.....87....0n this question there are 87 '

'ayes', Represenkakive Washington, for what purpose do you

risez .- . - .'u

Washington: ''I think the votes are here, Mr. Speakêr. will

you poll the absenteesa''

Telcser: ''Okay, will Ehe Clerk please read Ehe names of the

absentees?''

Pred Selcke: ''Arrigo, Beattye Berman. Borchers, Clabaughy 'I

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Telcser: ''Representative Robert Dunnee for what purpose do'. j

ou rise , Sir?'' .y

Dunne: ''How is Representative Dunne redordedy Sir.n

Fred Selcke: ''Not voting.''

,, , I v 41 'Dunne: I 11 vote aye .

Telcser: 'fRecord him as voting 'ayebo''

Fred Selcke: ''Dyer, Eptonz Pary, Gibbs, Granata, Hanahans

Harpstrike, Hart, Hibschfeld, Ron Hoffman. R. Hollowayy

Hyde, Emil Jones, Dave Jones, Katz, Klosak. Krausey

Kriegsman, Laurino, Lechowicz, Leinenweber, Lundyy Madig ,

Mccormick, McGah, McGrew, McMaster: Mcpartlin, Kenny''Mill r,

Mugalian, Murphy, Neff, Pappasz Philipy Peters, Porter,

Randolph, Rayson, Redmondy Rosee Sangmeistere Schoeberlei

Schraeder, Sevcik, Sharp, Timony Simms, Skinnere Telcse/,

Terzieh, Tuerk, Walters, J. J. Wolf. B. B. Wolfee Mr.

Telcser: ''Representative Washington, you've got 88 votes....

and it's a surprise, Representative Borchers wants to

give you 8g....Representative Borchers wishès to be re-

corded as voting Iaye'. Surpriselllll Okay..aoNowe does

someone wish to.....The Gentleman from Cook, Representati e

William Walsh.o'' k

'. k f r a verification.oMr. Speak r.*Walsh: Ah...Ah...I have to as o

Telcserr Nokay...there are ...e.Representative Emil Jonese

f h t urpose do you rise?'' 'or w a p'

Jones: ''How am I recorded Mr speakerz''# *

Télcser: ''How is Representative Emil Jones, recordedze

Pred Selcke: î'The GenEleman is recorded as......onê minute...

not voting...''. I

Jonesr ''Record me as 'aye'.''

Telcser: ''Record him as voting 'aye'.' A1l right there are

90 affirmative votes and verificatiod has been requestèd.

Will the Members please be in their seats and the Clerk

will read the names of the affirmative Roll CaII.R

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Boyle, Bradleye Brandt, BrinkmeieFy Brummet, Caldwell:

Calvo, Capuzi, Carter, Catania, Chapman, Choatey Craig,

Davis, Diprima, Douglas, Ralph Dunn: R. L. Dunne: Ebbesen,

Ewell, Farley, Fennessey, Fleck, Flinn, Priedland: Garmis r

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Schlickman, Schneiderz Shea, Ike Sims, Springer, Stedelin,

SEiehle Stonee Taylor, Thompson, Tipswordy VonBoeckmany

Wall, Washington, Williams, Yourell.''

Telcser: ''Are there questions of the Affirmative Roll Call?

The Gentleman from Cook, Representative William Walsho''

Walsh: ''Representative Fleckp'' '

Telcserz ''Is Representative Fleck on the Floor? How is the


Fred Selcke: ''The Gentleman is recorded as voting 'ayeA-/I ' . ';

Telcser: ''Take him off of the Roll Callo...rleck.....charlie

Fleck . '' .

walsh: ''Jim Houlihana''

Teleserl ''Representative Jim Houlihan on the Floorz How is

the Gentleman recorded?.p'' '

Fred Selcke: ''The Gentleman is recorded as voting gaye'oe

Telcseri .'.'.; ''.Take him of f of the Roll Call. * '

Walshz ''Kelly.D

Telcser: ''Representakive Kelly is here in the aisle./

Walsh: ''Laurinoo''

Teleser: ''Representative Laurino on the Floor?''

Fred Selcke: ''The Gentleman is recorded as not #oting.o

Walsh: 'IMadigan-f'

Telcser: ''Representative Madigan on the Floorz''

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ered selcke: ''Not votingm''

Walsh: ''Mann.''

Telcser: ''He is standing by his seato''

Walsh: ''Merlo.''

Telcser: MRepresentati/e Merlo on the Eloor?oo.Here he is....

i ht back..o.next to Mannok..eRepresentative Sharpy forr ;- = ''.' what purpose do you rise, Sira''

' Sharp: ''How am I recorded?''. 3 .

Telcser: ''How is the Genkleman' recorded. ''

Pred Selcke: ''The Gentleman is recorded as not voting.n .

Sharp: f'Voke me Iayelo''

Telcser: ''Record him as voting 'aye'. Are there further

questionso....of the Affirmative Roll Ca1l?.....''

Walsh: ''Ah....SchlfcRman.'' '

Telcser: ''He's in his seat.''

Walsh: ''Stiehl.'' '

Telcser: ''Representative Stiehl is standing by ........meier9

seat in the back there.''

Walshz ''Yourell.f' '

Telcser: ''Yourell is out here in the front aisleo'...Repres-

entative McGrewg for what purpose do you risey Siro''

MéGrew: ''How am I recorded?'l '

Telcser: ''How is the Gentleman recordedzk'.oMcGrew.n e ,

Pred Selcker ''The...vGentlemanw.o.is recorded as not voting.'

McGrew: ''Vote me 'yes', pleasee'' .

''Record him as voting 'aye'. 'Representaiive o-'. .er.Telcser:

ah...Dunn....for what purpose do you rise?.oaaRalph Dunn.' .

Dunn: ''Mr. Speaker, hoW am I recorded?''

Telcserr HHow ls the Gqntleman recorded?l'

Pred Selcke: ''The Gentleman is reeorded as voting 'ayee.e

Dunn: ''Change my vote to 'no' Please-''e Il

Telcser: ''Record him as voting 'no'. Are there further

questions?'' ' 1

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Walsh: ''Douglas.''

Telcser: ''He is in his seato''

Walsh: ''Griesheimer.''

Telcser: ''Representative Griesheimer on the Floor? How is th

Gentleman recordeda''

Fred selckez ''The Gentleman is recorded as voting Iayed.''

Telcser: ''Take him of of the Roll Call. .Representative Kent,' .

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f i ?'' 'or whak purpose do you r se .

Kent: ''How am I recordeda''

Telcser: ''How is the Lady recorded?''

rred Selcke: ''The Lady is recorded as voting 'aye'a''

Kent: ''Would change that to 'presentî, please?''

Telcser: ''Record the Lady as voking 'presentr.''

Walsh: ''Gene Hoffmanpl

Telcser: ''Representakive Gene Hoffman on the Floor? How is

' the Gentleman recorded?'' '

Ered selcke: ''The Gentleman is recorded as votiùg Iaye#.''

Telcserz ''Take him of of the Roll Ca11.''

Walshz ''McLendon.''

Telcsar : ''He is in his seat . '' '

. Walsh: ''Schislerv''

Telcser: ''Representative Schisler on the Floor? How is the

Gentleman recorded?'' .' ' .

ered selcke: ''The 'Gentleman is recorded as voting 'aye.ou

Telcser: ''Take him off of the Roll Call. Representative Jim

Houlihan has returned to the Flooro/

Walsh: ''Ebbesenmu ,

Telcser: l'Representative Ebbesen is in his seat. Representati e

Schraeder....Representative Sehraeder.-.for what purpose

do yO= rise. Sir?'î '

Schraeder: ''How am 'l recorded?''

Telcserz ''How is he recordqd?''

rred Selcke: ''The Gentleman is recorded as not votingp''

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Telcser: ''Recorded him as 'aye'oooo.Representakive Stiehl,

for what purpose do you riset''

Stiehl: ''Mr. Speakerz how am I recorded?f'

Telcser: '''How is the Lady recorded?''

Fred selcke: #'The Lady ......is recorded as voting 'aye'.l'

Stiehl: ''Vote.'..me 'presentfo''

Telcser: ''Record the Lady as voting 'present's''

Walsh: ''Huskeyp''

Telcser: ''Representative Huskey on the Floor?..oHow is the


Fred Selcke: ''The....Gentleman..p.is...recordedo.aas voting

' aye ' ''

Telcser: ''Take him off of the Roll Ca11.H

Walsh: ''Kucharski.''

Teleser: ''Representative Kucharski on thê Floor? How is the


Fred Selcke: ''The Gentleman is recorded as voking 'aye'.''

Telcser: ''Take him off öf'the Roll Call.''

Walàh: ''LaF1eur.''

Telcser: ''Representative LaFleur...on the Floor? How is the


Fred Selcke: ''The Gentleman is recorded as voting 'ayeêoe

Telcser: ''Take him off dfkthe Roll Call.H

Walshz ''That's al1 I have ....right now. Mr. Speaker-o

Telcser: ''On this question khere are 83 'ayes', 26 'nays',

2 answering 'present' and this Bill having failed to re-

ceive a Constitutional Majority is hereby declared LOST.

On the Order of Consideration Postponed appears House .

Bill 1431, for which purpose the Gentleman from Cook,

Representative Berman is recognized.e

Berman: ''Thank you. Ladies and Gentlemen of the Housêo...

House Bill 1431 is an Amendment to the School Code that

gives recognition in those limited number of districts

in the State where there are elèmentary schools that....

elementary schools that are coterminous with high schoot

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districts. We debated it the other dayy I mentioned the

six high school districts in the State that it applied to t

Iand I think that during the debate it was adequately

pointed out that the primary benefit of this Bill was to

one school district and I don't deny that. In fact, I

would point out to you that the Gentlemen that Cosponsore

this Bill with me, Representati/e Porkery Katz, Duff,

Mccourt, and Lundy....ah....We view this Bill in the same

respect khat many of us have listened to Bills in other

past Sessions of..oah...of Legislature. This is to a .

great extento..otheo.o.the Creek and Dam Bill submitted

to this Session of the Legislakure by these six Mnmhers.

I think it has a ....a....a laudatory educational purpose

and I would solicit your vote for House Bill 1431./

Telcser: ''Is there any discussion? The Gentleman from Cook,

Representative Juckett.''

Juckett: ''Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Genklemen of

the House. This Bill is just as dfscriminatory today as

it was the day that we defeated it before. It's nothing

but special Legislation for the one or one district in-

itially and then thev scraped and then they found out k# '''' ''' ''' .

that there might be some okher districts that would bene-. . '

fit from it. If we're going to correct the situatioh' we

should correct it for all districts andoo.aho..if size is

a factor that should be it....but I can see no reason at

all for this type of a Bill other than it will help his

own little high school district.o.ooand I think there are

many...many....excellent high school districts that need

as much help.''ib'o.or more than these that are beiNg propose

and there is no rhyme or reason for this type of a Bill

or for the reasoning behind it and I urge a no vote and

let's permanently bury it.''

Telcser: #'The Gentleman from Cooke Representative Mccourk.N

Mccourt: ''Mr....Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemeny the

purpose of this Bill is not diseriminatory-- oitls to

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give some equity where equity does not exist at the presen

time. In...In Evanston for ekample if we were a Unit

District we would meek the threshold of 10,000 students

in the District and we would be able to qualify for the

4% .....the faetor of the school aid formula. So would

many other districts throughout the State. Now, just

because we are a duel diskrict, our elementary school has

approximately ...ah...the elementary district has . ..ah..

approximately 55,00 children, the high school district has

approximately 7,000, but because we are a duel district

we are not able to qualify for the density factor. 1...1

very much respect Representative Juckett but as everyone,

on occasion may make mistakes and I would earnestly solici

your support for this measurêoo.o-Thank youwe

Telcser: ''The Gentlenan from McHenry, Representative Skinner.n

Skinner: ''Mr. Speaker, khe Sponsor of this measure was certain

ly correct when he said this is a creek and dam Bill.....

except he probably spelled dam wrong...wThis Bill helped

New Trier Township High School get more State aid to

education. Now, if khey get it, every other school distri t

.$.n thn State is deprived of a certain amount of money.o..

the amount of money they get from being put into the gener 1

pot to be distributed throughout the State. Nowy it would

seem to me if any ...if any school district in the entire

Skate didn't need more money it's New Trier High School.

I would suggest that the density factor ..mais.also a....

Telcser: ''Representative Piercee for what purpose..p.ogone

moment pleaseo....Representative Piercee for what purpose

do you rise?''

Piercez ''Mr. Speaker, as a graduate of New Trier I want to te1

you this helps svanston High School, it does not help New

Trier High School by one cent. It is not a coterminous

district and I resent ny alma mater being insulted on this

floor by the Gentleman from McHenry.''

Telcser: ''Representative Skinnere would you proceed, Sir.''

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kinner: ''I would proceed to apolo/iàë I I had been7 S , .... ....1 .

informed by one of *he Gentlemen from the area that I

should be referring to Evanston High School and if...Jt...

we can perhaps strike that-..o.every time I said New Trie

Township we can strike that word and add Evanston: I thin

the argument ià....sah...censorship right!.....I would

suggesi the argument'' is as valid as it was in the first .

. place. Thes..aho..the remark was made khat this will. AN .allow this school district too..ah..oto-.oah-.o.qualify

for the density fackor. As if the density factor was'

something that was great and sacrosanct. Well khe densit

factor was pu: in Ehere about khree or four years ago as

a way to get more money for the Chicago School System and

certain other limited.o...certain limited number of other

large school districts in the State. lk ha's nothing to

do with density...it has to do with the numher of student

per district. .'JIf the Legislature want to benefitw..want

to give extra aid to the larger districts I would suggest

they puk a number of students in the formula and then

allow every school district to apply. Regardless of

whether itês a unit or duel.t.district. This Bill does

not do this. This is a Bill for one or two or three or

four districts throughout the State and everybody else is

goin: to loose. ' I would urge a negative voteaH -

Telcser: ''Is there further discussion? The Gentleman from

è '' -ook, Representative Berman to close. .

Berman: ''.....In response to the previous speaker I would

Point out that 4.lthough we call it density and that's the

name that we use to describe what weere talking abouko...

we are talking about a bonus which is given ko the larger

school districtsoo..and both units and duels qualify nov,

so that the argument that you used really is not an argu-

ment against ..eah...against this Bill. What this Bill

does do is try to encourage some reorganization to en-

courage larger districts to be formed.o..and as I indicatei .l .i A*---ê1k: -'' ïîï'' ''g? $.. G E N E R A L A S S E M B L Y .. , tgp :,'

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98. l! ' Ibefore we've heard reprelentations on the floor of this

House before in behalf of Legislation to help a bank, to

help a...ah...a bus line....khich 'the Representative from );

. . .ah....Park.....from ah.....from Park Ridge has intro-

ducedo...which I think is also special Legislation. I i

think it was necessary.o.ol supported itw.obut it was

certainly special interest Legislation...and I would say

to you that there is nothing unique or necessarily ...det...

o . v o .detrimental about special interest Legislation. I

think we have school districts here and 1111 refer to th

agaln-- -wefve got Evanston,-.pNiles 219. Oak Park-River

Forest 200, Elmhurst 88# Glenbard District 87 and Highlan

Park District ll3....all of which qualify under the terms

of this Bill. I think for the most. part they have all'.

shawn a good qua?.ity type of educationi l . . ah . . aprogramw .

and I think that this Bill gives them a greater incentive

as ....as it does to other districts throughout the Skate

to..... ko.vo..organize ko come into larger student

population districts and to qualify for the density bonus' d a ain I kould solicit a favorable 'aye' voteoawaonan g

1, ' ' . 'House Bill 1431.

Telcser: î'The question is, shall House Bill 1431 pass? A11

those in favor signify by voting 'aye': the opposed by '

voting eno'. Have a1l voted who wish? Take :he record. . .

on this question there are 63 'ayesf, 28 'nays': and this

Bill having failed to receive the Constitutional Majority

is hereby declared lost. All right now, there is a Bill

on..voHouse Bills Third, which I understand we have to.

take care of today. So I'm going to call House Bills. '

Third Reading....The Gentleman from Cook, Representative 1Lechowiczo'' 5

Lechowicz: ''Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of i

the House, I1d like to waive the appropriate rule that' jneed be to call this Bill out of order. This Bill is

House Bill 1936, it's a....iE$s actually a transfer of 1

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.650 for the Illinois State Scholarahfp Commissionland unfortunately they are running out of money today...

and itls bee'n cleàred with the Speaker and with the

Majority and the Minority Leader and I would ask for a

favorable vote to suspend khe appropriake rule.''

Telcser: 'êThe Gentleman haà asked to suspend khe appropriate

rule 37 for permission to call out of order House Bill

1936. All in favor of the Gentleman's motion signify by

voting 'aye', the opposed by voting 'no'. l07 votes.

Have all voted who wish? Take the record. Geo-Karis 'aye'.

On this questvon 130 'ayes', no 'nays', a;d the Gentleman's

motion prevails. On the Order of Third Readinge House

Bill 1936.''

Fred Selcke: ''House Bill 1936: a Act making a deficiency

appropriation to the Illinois Stabe suhol&rship Colutissio p

Third Reading of the Bill.''

Lechowicz: ''Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Genklemen of

the House..w.exactly what this Bill does is to transfer

the $142,650 within the present Department's budget. It

passed in Committee 20-0. Again this is an emergency

measure because they are running out of money today. I'

would appreeiate an affirmative vote..

Telcserz ''Is there any discussion? The question is. shall

House Bill 1936 pass? Al1 those in favor signify by

voting 'ayel, the opposed by voting 'no'. Cox 'aye'.

Have a11 voted who wish? Have al1 voted who Fish? Take

the record. On this question 13l Rayes', no 'nays', and

this Bill having received the Constitutional Majority isN

hereby declared passed. The Gentleman from Cook: Rep-

resentative William Walsh with respect to a few mokions

and ke're going to ccme back to House Bills, Third.-

Walshz 'fAh..-. Pirst of these. I think, MrJ Speaker. everyone

will be interested in and thatês the Adjournment Resoluti

and the Clerk will read the Adjournment Resolukionoo

Fred Selcke: ''House Joint Rnsolution 62 Walsh : Resolved by# . !

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the House of Representatives, the 78th General Assnmhly,

State of Illinois, thé Senate concuring herein. That

when the House of Represeùtatives adjourns on Friday,

June 8th, 1973, it stands adjourned until Tuesdayy June

l2# 1973, at 10:00 aamp, Central Daylight Saving Time and

when the Senake aajourns'f on Fridaye June 8th. 1973, it

stands adjourned until Monday, June 11th, 1973, at 12:00XOOZ @ K

. j .Walsh: ''Mr. Speaker, as I think everyone heard we return here

at 10 o'clock for regular session on Tuesdqk June 12th,

and I love the adoption of the Adjournment Resolution.''

Telcser: ''The Gentleman from Lake, Representative Matijevichw''

Matijevich: ''The....Mr. Speaker and Members of the House, Iunderstand n ..we're.a..we're coming back Tuesday. I read

in the newspaper that the Speaker from his hospital bed

has directed a Subcommittee of his Executive Committee to

meet Monday mornipg at 10 o'clock. I don't know by what

authority he can do that. I've been reading the rules

all morning. I don't think by Ehe Statute.o..by the Rules

he can do it. If we did meet, I think we would still have

to li#e by the notice provisions and.....a week and at

least the House has got to do soxething. I understand I

may be on that Subcommittee and I'm not going to be there

Monday Dorning unless we follow the Rules. I think k.;...

if we're going to meet...as a Committeeo.olet's meet

according to the Rules. I don't think anybody. can tell

the Committee when they can hee: unless they follow the

Rulese''

Telcser: *1 don't know to what you refer.n .aRepresentative

but the Clerk reminds me Ehat we suspended *he Rule 18 for

the entire weeko..onext week. But what you#re referring

to....I donêt know. Which is a posting notice. I justgive you this informaEionv''

Matijevich: ''Well.....that still doesn't clear up fn my mind

how the Speaker ...or what authority.o..''

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Telcser: l'The Chairman of the Subcommittee called the meeting,

Representative Collins .'''

Matijevich: ''Well, Mr. Speaker, we had a ....we had a Commltt emeeting of executives last nightu .met êtil 9 o'clock in .

the evening. Nothing kas said about any subèommittee jbeing formed or any subcommittee meeting...Nothing was

said......l was at khese meetingso....

Telcser: ''It is the Chair's understanding and the Chairman.)

of the Subcommittee has now returned to the Floor that he

has called a Subcommittee. He'1l.....he'l1 explain it

to you now..wjust....just.p.''

Matijevich: ''Mr. Chairman, I don'k think we ought to callmeetings through the newspaperp..l think we got.....#' '

Telcsaer: îlWel1#.....we1l, Representative Matijevich....let.

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the Chairman of the Subcommittee respond to the inquiry

before you makeo.chargés.''

Collinsz ''Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House:

I was ordered by the Speaker of this House to form a

Subcommittee that has just been referred to by the

Gentleman. T named two Republican Members to that Sub-

. committee after orally telling them of my intentians....

to appoint them to this subcommittee. I talked to Rep- .

resentative Washington at that time who was one of the. ' . ' '

.

- Minority spokesmen on the House Executive Committee and

he indicated to me khat ln all likelyhood he and Rep-

. resentative Matijevich would be the Mnmhers of that Sub-

' committee. I said fine, I indicaked ..wand I indicated'

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to hin my intention of calling the meeting for Monday

morning at 10 ofclock. Subsequently Representative

Washington touched base with me again and told me nok to '

announce the Democratic Members of that Subcommittee

officially because they had not been officially ..a....

appointed by the Minority Leader.vvso for that reason I

was not able to officially inform 'anybody of a meeting. y

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because there wasn t ....1 was awaiting the appointment

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and the.o..mthe Minority Leader. As of this monent I

have..ohéve.oostill hàve not beeh told thak anybody is

actually ...ah...to serve as Democratic Members of that

Committeé although I was assuming that Representative

Washington and Representative Matijevich in a1l likely-

hood would ..ah....form the Subcommittee with us. Now,

it is very difficult ko send out notices to someone if

they areo..pif I don't know who I'm supposed to send them

too.o.and that is the reason there has been no official

notice. Now, I think the Gentleman..pin fairness to me

kill admit that he and others of the Committee and I have

discussed this matter ....we have..o.we have talked about

it and whekher there is something in writing or not I

really didnlt gaEher that material.''

Telcserz ''The Gentleman from Union, Representative Choate.''

Choate: ''We11, Mr. Speaker, it was always my opinione and I

can't tell you truthfully whether there is a rule to this

effect or not, but it was always my opinion that when a

Subcommittee was created, it was created by the full

Committee, in other words the Chairman of the Committee

said..o.ah.ogah....with leave of the Committee or...or.r..

someone made a motion to that effect, that thére would be

a Subcommittee created. In this particular instance *1

don't think there has been a ma..-.a..ooa.womeeting of

the Committee to give the Chairman the prerogati/e of

creating a Subcommittee for any intention whatsoever./

Telcser : ''Well , Representative Choate : your point may be . . .

ay be . . .1'm

Choate: ''I would on1y.....I woùld only point out to you that

this has been the Rule of this House. This has been the

Rule of the Members in various Committees and as I under-

stand..ah...ah...the Committeê did meet yestêrdayv.othe

Executive Committee, that is and at that time the proper

action was not takeno.o.ah.o..to create a Subcommittee by

the consent of a Rajoriky of the Commilteew''

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Telcser: ''The pointasv-.your poink may be well taken, I don't

know but wefre on a.....adj...an Adjournment Resolution

now 1....1....'1 .

Choate: ''I just got into this debate that was doing on the

other thing and I would suggest to the Chairman that re-

gardless of the reésons for creating a Subcommittee or

whatever it is he wants to create a Subcommittee for that

the proper action for him to take is to meet with the.

f j . .full Committee and at that time create his Subcommittee

like it has always been done before.'' : .

Telcser: ''Representative Washington: for what purpose do you

rise?.'...We're getting far afield from the Adjournment

Resol'ution by the way-''

Washington: ''I can appreciate lhat, Mr. Speakere but I think

I should clarify..o.mpclarify a point here. I don't take

issue with what Representative Collins said, what he said

was correct insofar as the colloquy between he and 1.

However, I in no way indicated to h1m that I agreed; oney

kthak a Committee should be formed, nor; two, the manner

and procedure by which it should be formed. As a matter

. of fact I asked h!= to wfthhold any announcements of

anything insofar as we were concernede until pe checked

out the questions of the procedure by which a Committee

could be formed if it was desirable to do so. So I don't '

want his remarks to indfcate..akhat I......any way agree

with the fact..o.pthe method by which this Committee was'

proposed.'' . '

Telcser: ''Represenkative Matijeviche for what purpose do you

rlse, sir?''

Matijeviehz ''.......The only reason I bring this with the

Adjournmqnt Resolution, as far as I'm concerned I'm going 1to be here Tuesday lfke everybody else. And if ...ah...

I read in Ehe Newspaper Iîm going to be here Mondayy I'dI

like to know about it right now when we#re discussing the !. '''' ''''' I

Adjournment Resolution. But you mention that Rule 1: was

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! suspended. That.o....you still got to provide me with

the Rule that gives the Speaker the power to order the .

Executive Committeé Chairman to form this ...ah...Sub-

committee without any authority from the Committee.

Committee met yesterday and it's strange that the Com-

mittee chairman said nothing a11 through that meeting

which met from 4:30 'til 9 o'clock in the evening. Nothi

. was said about it. I didnlt think it was my power to say

anything ...he did nothingg''

Telcser: f1A1l right, now, is khere further discussion? .....

Adopt the Adjournment Resolukion.y....All in favor of the

Resolution signify by saying 'aye', the opposed 'no', the

Adjournment Resôlution is adopted. Now, the Gentlemanfrom Cook, Representative William Walsh.''

Walsh: ''Ah....Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the

House, there are four Bills on which the Leadership has

agreed to extend the deadline date..pathat is the May 25t

date, ah....olaughingly called the May 25th date, that's

Rule 36D, and it is our intention to .poaho..extend the

deadline for the following four Bills unkil .w.o.Tuesday

. i June 1?e.h or the E.nd of that day's business.: And these...

those Bills are as follows: House Bill 797, House Bill

1097, Rouse Bill 1367, and House Bill 1913. And Mr.

. Speaker I move that ...that Rule be suspended until Tues-

rday, June 12th, the end of businesso'' ' .


for the ....the appropriate Rule be suspended for the '

purposes of keeping those four Bills on Consideration

Postponed alive. Al1 in favor signify by voting 'aye',

the apposed by voting enay'. l07 votes. 1097: 1367.

1913 and whatever Schlickman's numher 1s.....797. Now,

a1so..p.ah...I don't see Representative Pate Philip here.

Fred Selcke: ''No he's gone home.''

Telcser: ''He's got House Bill 904, on Consideration Postponedy

so thaE's apparently going to die. Representative William

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Walsh, for what purpose do you risez'' ' ,

Walsh: ''Wel1, Representative Philip did talk to mey I don't

know whether he talked to the Minority Leader or not

and I suppose I bekker get togekher with him before we

we do anything on thato'l '. * ** * *

Telcser: ''All right now also.....'f

Walsh: ''Also, House Bill 904, Pate Philip's .....Bil1. All

right, wetll talk about it later. Now, Mr. Speaker, if' :. 1

we could move to suspend the provisions of Rule 37C, that s

the 30 days on the calendar.o..ero..? '

Telcser: ''First of al1....all rightov.aokayg nowe have a11

voted who wish? Take the record. On this question l28

'ayes', no 'nays', the Gentleman's motion prevails.

Representative McAvoy, do you seek recognition; Sir?....

Representative William Walsh....O

Walsh: 'lNow: Mr. Speaker, I move to suspend the provisions of

Rule 37C, khakîs the...ah....Rule thak provfdes that a

Bill shall be on the Calendar for no more than 30 days.

for all of those Senate Bills and exempt House Bil1s....

. and...wand Resolutions which are on the Calendar now

and $)o'$z1.d nxllire k'ef ort? 'l'llesday f June 12th and to exterrd

that 30 day period through the close of business on

Tuesday June l2th.''

Telcser: ''All those in favor of the Gentlemans motiong sig-

nify....signify by voting fayeê, the opposed by voting

'no'. Have al1 voted who wish? Take the record. On

this question l08 'ayes'y no 'nays', and khe Gentleman's

motion prevails. Now, someone brought up a key.......

ring on a little piece of leather that says 'souvenir, u zt zs up 1,of Kentucky .....if it belongs to a M-m ere

here at the Speakerfs Podium. Okaye back to House Bills,IlThird Reading. Someone ....going to handle Representativ

Rayson's 1427 Okay, House Bill 142.':!

Pred Selcke: ''House Bill 142, an Act making an appropriation I

p. .Department of Transportàtione Third Reading of the

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Telcser: ''The Gentleman from Effinghame Representative Kellero''

Meller: ''Representative Rayson asked that I handle this Bill

and bring it back to ....k....ah...Second Reading for ' !urposes of an Amendment . ''P

telcser: ''Are there any objections? Hearing nonez House Bill .

l42 returning to the order of Second Readingw''

Pred Selcke: ''Amendment #2, Rayson, amends House Bill 142 as

amended by striking everything after the Enacting Clause

and. . . . . ''

Telcser: î'The Gentleman from Cook, Representative-ao.then ...

Gentleman from Effingham, Representative Kellero/

Meller: '1Ah....Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the

House, what this Amendment does is what wedve done with

all....ah....died out Bills, in the appropriakions Com-

mittee is put the $100,00U limit on 'Gc. Appxeeiate

your support on this Amendmenk.''

Telcser: ''The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Lechowicz.''

. Lechowicz: ''Yes, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the

House, this is exactly what we did and I tell the Sponsor

about the Committee action on four other Bills that came

out of Committee ...1 believe they were addressed to the

f loor of the House this morining and it ' s a $100 , 000

rovided for the f easibility studies for these variousP

projects , but I àlso have assurance of the Sponsor that

he will hold this Bill on Third Reading so ittll follow

the course in the pattern of the other Bills in complete

equity. I would hope that this Amendment is adopted.''

Telcser: ''Is there further discussion? The Gentleman has

asked ....move the adoption of Amendment #1 to House Bill

. .. .Amendment # sv..Representati#e Choate, for what


Choate: ''It's Amendment #2. Just wondered where your Clerk

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Telcser: ''oh.....Amendment #2, a1l in favor signify by saying

' aye ' , the opposed ' no ' y the Amendment is adopted. Is

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107.Ithere further Amendmentsb Third Ràado..now are you going

Ito hold this Bill on Third Reading?'ê

Keller: ''We11, ah....I don't know.w.ah.ol understood that

Jack Hill's Bill went out of hereoo.qDid it Jack? and...

. o .ahooothese Bills were going on over to the Senate.

We agreed on a11 of 'em.''

Telcser: ''Representative Lechowicz, for what purpose do you

rise?''

Lechowicz: ''Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, w en

Representative Rayson and Keller 'and I met yesterday to

tell 'em about the procedures that were followed on the

other Bills, I also asked ...they hold this Bill...in

conjunction with the other Bills so Ehere'd be complete

equity ànd no one would become .ooahp.concerned and

aroused cbout one Bill getting out while the other? were

just came out of Committee.-..and Representative Rayqon

agreed with me at that time ....in complete fairness...

that he would hold this B1ll.''

Keller: ''Okay, he.v.he didnet tell me this a...Representative

Lechowiczo...l didn't know about thiso.-so that's okay

with me....it's...''

Telcser: ''Okay, that Bill will be held on the Okder of Third '

Readingv..ools Representative Kosinski on the Floor?k

House Bill 531.*

Kosinskiz ''Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House,

this is House Bill 531, the Cities Savings and Loan Bill.

It's an expense Bill, having ..ooappropriation attached

to it and it has...I understand a...July 2nd dating.a.so

it's not in danger. Tuesday..the..oah.p.depositors of

Cities Savings and Loan will be in the Gallery. I have

checked with b0th sides of the aisle and we will hold thi

out of the record for hearing Tuesday.''

Telcser: ''House Bill 604, Representativewa.oo''

Unknownz ''Weli, what are we going to do with it?''

Telcser: ''Wel11 leave iE on the Order of Third ReadingaH

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ouse Bill 604'., an Act to provide for the i!Fred Selcke:I . ' .

dinary and contingent expense ... Department ofor

conservation, Third Reading of the Bi1l.'' ::Telcserl ''Representative Stedelin on the Floor?-wTake it out

of the Record. Representative Gene Hoffman is not on the

Floor. Representative Brummet on the Floor? Do you wish

to have your Bill called, sirz''

Brummek : ''Yes . ''

Telcser: HHouse Bill 781.''

Fred Selcke: ''House Bill 781, àn appropriation for Structural

Pest Conkrol Act, Third Reading of the Bil1.''

Telcser: ''The Gentleman from Fayette, Representative Brummet.'

Brummet: *Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Housey

this is an Appropriation for $25,000 and it's a companion

Bill for the 780 which passed the House and it's to

finance the licensing of the Pest Control Business and of

course itell be recoverable from the license feesa''

Telcserz ''Is there any discdssion? The question is shall

House Bill 7:l pass? A11 those in favor signify by votin

'aye', the opposed by voting 'no'. Have ali voted who

wish? Take the Record. Capuzi 'ave'. Choate 'aye'.

Geo-xar-.i's ' aye ' . on thts question thore ace 99 ' ayes ' .

fnaysf, and this Bill having received the Constitutionno

al Majority is hereby declared passed. Representative

Jones on the Floor? Representative Craig there on the

rloor? Representative Craig do you wish to have your

three Bills called? '' ' .

Cràig :.''' ''Yeah. '' ' '

Telcser: 1'Do you want 959, -60 called? ...On Third Reading?''

Craigz ''Mr. Speaker, I'd like those Bills..o.wèighing on 961,

theydre all companion Bills to 961, Ifd like to hold them

a11 for.....''

Telcser: '1A11 righto''

Fred Selcke: ''Okay.....How about Telcser, does he want his?''

Telcser: ''Representative Craig, f or what purpose do you rise?'

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Craig: ''Ild like to suspend the proper Rule ...to.... A

Telcser: ''Okay, what is it''

Craig: ''Hold 'em with 961, as soon as it catches up.''

Fred Selcke: ''They're companion Bills.''

Telcser: 'llf the Bills are companions to appropriations they

are exempto..so don't worry about them. Representative

Washington, do you wish to call 1152? House Bill 1152?'1

Fred Selcke: ''House Bill 1152, an appropriation for expenses

for a Commission on Human Relaticns, Third Reading of the

Bill.D

Telcser: ''The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Washington.''

Washington: >Ah...Mr. Epeaker and Momhers of the Houseo p. - .

House Bill 1152 is the ordinary and conkingent expenses

for the Commission on Human Relations. There was an

Amendment in the Committee taking off ...ah...the round

figure 6f $50,000: 20.000 of that was replaced so the

real figure would be 30,000 less than the listed figure

in the digest. I know of no opposition to it. I ask for

your support.''


those in favor signlvfr by voking eayee: ....kbe Genklemar

from Cook Representative Juckett.''

Juckett: ''Ah...wi11 the Sponsor yield for a question?

Telcser: ''He indicates he will.'l

Juckett: ''Ah...I understand in Representative Madigan's Bill

for the .mpah...informing the Real Estate ..oahp.obrokers

and licensees, etcp, people who did not wish to be con-

sulted or contacted for selling their homes....That ..that

transferred that function to our needs rather than out of

human relations. Now, do you include in your budget the

budget matter for that?''

Washington: ''Thatls not a . .thatîs not a lisked item.''

Juckett: ''It is not a listed item? Is it in the Budget?''

Washingtonz ''It is not in khe Department of Human Relations

Budget, No.''

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Telcser: ''Is there further discussion? The question ise shal


voting faye', the opposed by voking 'no'. Have all voted

who wish? Take the record. Giglio 'aye'. Lemke êaye'.

On this question l04 'ayes', no 'nays', and this Bill

having received the Constitutional Majority is hereby

declared passed. Capuzi 'ayel. House Bill 1294. No

take it out of the Record. Representative Katz is not

on the Floor. Madigan.o...House Bill 1325, Representativ

Brinkmeier on the Floor?''

Fred Selcke: ''Noop.l'

Telcser: ''Take it out of the Record.''

Fred Selcke: ''There's Katzw''

Telcserz ''Okay, House Bill 1269./

Fred Selcke: ''House Bill 1269, a Bill for an Act to......'?

Telcser: ''Take that out of the Record. ....The Gentleman,

. . . . .Representative Katze for what purpose do you rise.

Si*?''

Katz: ''Yes, it is a Revenue Bill and it would be exempiywould it not?i'

Telcser: ''Yes. Representative Wolf.....on the Floor.'.ol. J. ..

Wolf? Representative Waddell? Representative Schlickma ?kHouse Bill 1937.':

Pred Selcke: ''House Bill 1937, an Ac: making an Appropriation

for the ordinary and contingent expenses of certain

Legislative agencies, Third Reading of the Bi11.W

Telcser: ''The Gentleman from Grundy, Representative Washbùrn.''

Washburn: ''Ah...yese Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of

Ehe House, House Bill 1937 is the appropriation for the

ongoing.w.ah...co= issions...and I..oah..ask for a 'yes?

vote-,

Telcser: ''Is there any discussion? The question is shall


voting 'aye', the opposed by voting 'no'. Ebbesen 'aye' .

Have all voted who wish? Take the Record. On this

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question l25 'ayes', no 'nays', and this Bill having:

received the Constitutional Majority is hereby declared '

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Pred Selcke: ''House Bill 1943....an Act making an appropriati n

to the Department of Business and Economic Developmente

Third Reading of the bil1.''

Telcser: ''The Gentleman from Union, Representahive Choatew''

Choate: ''Yes, Mr. Speaker, this is Ehe annual appropriation

. ..ah...Bill..'..'Shawneetownee!....to Shawneetown Regional

Park District....ah...sponsored by Representative Mccormi k.

Hart and myselfz..ah..o.asking for the reallocation of

$2,QQQ#Q00 and I would appreciate the support of the .... !. ' . j

h House . '' 'a ... I. '

. (Telcser : '' Is there any discussion? The question ir shali 1


voting 'aye', the opposed by voting 'no'. Have a1l voted

who wish? Take the record. Sharp 'aye'. On this

question l21 'ayesf, no 'nays', and this Bill havihg

received the Constitutional Majority is hereby declared '

passedp.....House Bill 1975.'' ' .

' y'red Selcke: ''House Bill 1975, an Act making a suppletental '

Appropriation .oaBoard of Higher Educationy Third Readingk

Of the Bil1.''

Telcser: ''The Gentleman from Grundy, Representative Washburn.

Washburn: ''Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and Ladies and Gentlemen o

Bill 1975 appropriates $41,000 to thethe House, House

Board of Higher 'Education for work that was performed by

that agency for the Illinois Inskitute of Environmental

Quality. Now, I have a ...ah.ooletker here from the

Director of the Institute of Environmental Quality statin

that that same amount will lapse in their 1973 budgete

so I ask your favorable support.''

Telcser: HIs there any discussion? The question is shall


. voting 'aye', the opposed by voting 'no'. Have a1l voted

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who wish? Take the record. On this question l22 'ayes':

2 'nays' and this Bill having received *he Constitutional

Majority is hereby declared passed.t'.ooNowg the Gentleman

from Cook, Representative Terzich, with respect to a

i he wishes to puta''mot on

Terzich: ''Ah...Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House

I would like to make a motion to discharge Committee on

. .oah...senate Bill ...ah...534...ah...this is the same

as House Bill 622...ah...1 have the approval of the...ah.

Chairman of the Committee of which it was assigned and...

ah...the Leadership of b0th parties. This is ...ah...

J:these Bills did no* receive one .. oahao.descenking vote

either in Committee or on the House bkxin the Senate....

and I appreciate a favorable vote....to discharge

Committee and place it on Second Readingo''

Telcser: ''Any discussion? The Gentleman has moved to dis-

charge Committee and .....the Gentleman says he's cleared

it kith b0th sides.....534.....What's the Committeee

Representative?''

Terzich: ''Ah....Cities and Villages.''

Telcser) ''Okay....is there any discussion? Are there any

questions? The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Jaffe.''

Jaffe: ''I would just like to know what it doeso'''Terzich: ''Ah....the Bill is..e.this is on the deferre'd comp-

ensationg..A ....Aaron.o..whereby it allows municipalitie'to 1et their employees purchase a deferred compensation

prog.....-plan and it's completely voluntary.oa..Right...

It's the same as the House Bi11. Exactly the same.e

Telcser: ''The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Katz..Q ...

. . . ..did you seek recognikion, Sir?''

Katz: ''Well, I....excuse me....I was really trying to find

. . .ah...ordinarily when there are identical Bills there i

an equivàlent reference in the Digest to the other Bill.

And I was looking for the other Bill. Sometimes I think

it is easier just to send it to the Committeeo''

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Telcser: ''Representative Terzichz for what purpose do you

rise, Sir?''

Terzich: ''I'm sorry, but that is identical to ..:..564....

Telcser: ''Oh....your motion was for.....564...''

Terzich: ''Yesy. 564, I1m sorryw''

Telcser: ''Okày. Now, Representative Katz, are you .....Okay.

All right, the Gentleman has moved to discharge ...ah.... '')Committee....to Cons..paccommittee on Municipalities from

Considerakion of House Bill 564...After thak ....will then

be placed on the Calendar. All in favor of the Gentle-

. man's motion signify by voking 'aye'. the opposed by

voting 'no'. Take 89 votesg.xoHave a1l voted who wish?

Take the record. On this Question l00 'ayes', one 'nay',

and the Gentleman's Mùtioh prevails. Representative '

Berman. for what purpose do you rise?l'

Berman: ''Ah...Representative Terzich...othe Motion was on

Senate Bill 564, but the way I look at the Digesty that's

not khe Bill regarding deferred Compensation. Is the

numher wrong or is the explanation wrong-''

Prpd Selcke: 1:534.'.

Berman: ''You discharged the wrong Bil1.....ha...ha...>'

p;Telcser: Repersentative Katze for what purpose do you risey E

Si r? '' '

Katz: ''Ah...Mr. Speaker, I regret to inform the Memhership

that this will probably be my first and last time to

discharge a Committee, but it is Senate Bill 534 ...and..

. w .ah...please forgive me...''

Telcser: *Well, we better take 564 back from the Calendar

and send it to wherever we took it from. Okay. The

Gentleman from Cook, Representative Terzich having voted

on the prevailing side, now moves thak the vote by whichIISenate Bill 564 was discharged from Committee be recon- I

sidered. A11 right, a1l those in favor of the Gentleman?

motion to reconsidero...signify by saying 'aye', the

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opposed êno'. Ha...Ha...and the Gentleman's motion pre-

vails. Nowz 564 is back in ..po.whatever Committee it

was in. A11 right: in the Senate, or dead or whatever.

Representative Wall, for what purpose do you rise? .....

Representative Wallz do you seek reeognition?''

Wallr '#Yeah....I want ko know what ...what Committee he said

this Bill was 1n....564. The Digest shows it's in the

Committee on Registration'land Regulation-''

Telcser: ''You've got it back now, Johnw''

Wallz ''Okay, jusk wanted to know. Just checking with Mr.

Terzich. That's all.''

Telcser: ''You lost it for a few seconds, now you got it back.

Okay, now the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Terzich,

movea that the Committee on Municiï.alities bo dischazgad

from Consideration of Senate Bill 534: al1 in favor of

the Gentleman's motion signify by voting-eaye', the

opposed by voting 'no'. Take 89 votes. Rep. the Gentle

man from Cook, Representative Katza''

Katz: ''Mr. Speakery where there are identical Bills, is there

any reason why the second Bill isn't just tabled and* :

killed? Don't we have enough B111s? Wouldn't that be a

simpler solukion to the problem?î'

Telcser: ''Well, if the Sponsor wishes to Table the Bill. Do

you wish to Table the Bill, Representative Terzich? .He

indicates 'no'.''

Terzich: ''No, but I am going to fire my Parliamentariang

Representative Capparellio..on

Telcserz ''Ha....Ha....R1presenkati+ê....:hP Gentleman from

Cooke Representative Bermano''

Berman: ''I have a question of the sponsor of the Motionoo...

Bob...I don'E want Eo cause trouble but I ...1 noticed

that from the Digestr Senate Bill 534.was Amended.-..in

the Senate. Nowe was that Amendmenta...is it in its

amended statep..the same Bill that we passed out of herez''

Terzichz ''Itfs a Home Rule Amendment, sorry. Both of them

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Berman: ''They bokh have the same Amendment?'' !I

Terzich: ''Home Rule Amendment.''

Berman: ''A1l right.''

Telcser: ''Have all voted who wish? Take the record. This

question l06 'ayesl, one 'nayg, add the Gentleman's motio

to discharge Committee prevailsoo.owokay, on the Speakers' Table appears House Joint Resolution..ooh-.ol'm sorry,. /

the Gentleman from Cook, Representakive Maragosy with

reference to a Motion.''

Maragos: ''Ah...Mr. Speaker at this time I move for the

suspension of the appropriate rule to have House Bill

950 kept on the Calendar ïtil June 14kh by agreement of

the Leadership of the House.''


for the suspension of the provisions of Rule 37 for

purposes of having House Bill 950 alive on khe Calendar

through and including June 14th. All in favor of the

Gentleman's Motion: signify by voting 'aye'y the opposed

by voting 'no'. ....107 votes. Have all voted who wish?

Take tlle Record. Thls question 10l votes.....5 'aye'p.. '

. o. .you need 6 more. Houlihan....lim Houlihan laye'.

Peters 'aye'. col1ins...Catania.....Totten.....Cox....

This question 108 'ayes', 5 'nays'. and the Gentleman's

Motion prevails. Now, on the Order of ...On the Speaker'

Table appears House Joint'Resolution numher 37 .k.'......

for which purpose the Gentleman from Cook, Representative .

Katz is recognized.''

Katz: ''Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen öf the House....

.. .ah...House Joint Resolution 37 expresses the feeling

of the General Assembly that it would indeed be a very

nice thing if Congress would give us 12 months of dayligh

time instead of 6 months of daylight time. Ah...a1l of

us recently have seen the pleasure that is derived from

the additional hour in the morning.o.aho.othat we have

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had since the end of April, al1 of us enjoy the light

h blinds are open here in the House and what thiswhen t e

Resolution does is to urge Congress to make ik possible

for States that desire to do so to have 12 months of

daylighk time and I would without going further into it

but simply urge Ehe adoption of House Joint Resolution

37 î'

Telcser: ''Is there any discussion? This Gentleman has moved

the House do adopt House.uoint Resolution number 37e a1l

in favor of the Gentleman's Motion signify iy saying'aye', the opposqd 'no'. The Resolution is adwor..aokay,

there are a nnmher of 'nos'. You seek a Roll Call? ....

Ah....And the Gentleman's Resolution is adopted. The

Gentleman from Cook, Representative William Walsh.N

Walsh: ''On tha Republican side in the rear Galleryuowah..oara

a group of students fromethe Iroquois Junior High School

. .vahk.pin Park Ridge I believe...oDesplaines.''

Telcser: ''Resolutions.....n

Fred Selcek: ''House Resolution 405, Beaupre..o.''

Telcserz ''The Gentleman from Kankakee, Representative Beauprem''

Beaup' re: ''Mr. Speaker.....I......read it? ....'''

Telcser: ''Representative William Walshy for what purpose do

you rise?''

Walsh: 1'Well, Mr. Speaker, we#re fortunate in having ...ah..

three distinguished Aldermen from North Chicago, in the

Gal1ery....be.....in the rear ....on the Democratic sidey

Alderman Surdar, Alderman Weakly and Alderman Lundine.*

Telcserz '' Let's go to General Resolutions.''

Pred Selckez HHouse Resolution 406....Londrigan...etal...

House Reàolution 407, McClain..eta1....''

Telcserz ''Speakers Tableoo.oWedve got some more Committee

Reports.oa''

Fred Selcke: ''Ah....Mr. Harpstrite from Agriculture....Nat-

ural Resources to which House....senate Bill l8y Senate

Bill l37 were referred, report the same back with the

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!recommendations the Bills Do Pass. Harpstrite, from

Agriculture, to which Senate Bill 27....589 were referrede

reports the same back with recommendations the Bills Do

Pass. Schoeberlein, from Public Utilitiesz Senate Bill

319, report the same back with Amendment, with the re-

commendakions that the Amendment be adopted and the Bills

Amended Do Pass. Schoeberlein, ....Public Utilities ...

Senate Bills 324: 325, and 509 were referrede repork the

same back with recommendations the Bills Do Pass.

McMaster/ from Counties and Townshipsz Senate Bills 47,

163, 168, l69 were referred, report the same back and...

er...ah.o.recommend Amend.....that the Bills ...ah....be

placed on the order of Second Reading. .r...My God....

who w:ites Ehat up..o.shq ought to learn how to write a

. . . .conmottee Repoxt . . . oMcl4aster , f rom Colltmittee on Cotm t ' -'s

and Townships to which Senate Bill 87, 309. 3..62..were

referredy reports the same back with the recommendations

the Bills Do Pass. McMaster, from Counties and Townshipse

which Senate Bills; 170e 375, 384, ..97, 504, 505, 506,

507, 508, 678 and 87..., Report the same back with re-

comlendations the Bills Do Pass. Mr. Tuerk, from Indust-

rial Affairs, to which Senate Bill 98 was referred, re-

ports the same back with the recommendation the Bill ,Do

Pass. How about Senate Bills, First Readingzo

Telcser: ''Senate Bills Eirst Readingv..Back to Resolutions.''

Fred Selcke: ''House Resolution 405, Beaupre, whereas through

22 arduous seasons, one of our very own has stooped,

squat and bent with persistence and regularity, and;

Whereas from that honored but cramped position he has

defended the superiority of this House, over that other

House: protecting the plate ak home from in.oo.infrequent

assults by the enemyr and; Whereas 'in that noblê positio .

and occasionally while upright, heês borne the kools of

ignorance with pride and with only a few after effects,

and; Wheroas, he has occasionally been accused unfairly oE

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118.! bearing the tools of ignorance in other Legislative games,

and; Whereas, having finally caught the age of coaching

and having announced that he has split his pants for the

last time in the service of this House with honor on the

field, deciding instead to teach the younger generation

Members the finer techniques, and; Whereas, our fine up-

and-coming youngsters to stoop, squat and bend who are

even bigger and more bent than our hero, men such as

Teddy Bear, and Big Teddy; Bear, therefore, be it resolved

the House of Representatives, 78th General Ass-mhlye

Skate of Illinois, that this House congratulates its

esteemed and champion softb'all'catcher of the lask 22

years, Clyde Choatee and khat this House wishes him con-

tinued good posture and acknowlèdges that even the big

' Teidy Sear cannot hold a glove tnr match the stocp e to

Him-''

Telcser: ''The Gentleman from Kankakee, Representative

Beaupre.''

Beaupre: ''Mr. Speaker, I move adoption of the Resolutiono''

Telcser: ''A Roll Call has been requestèdu .o.... .The

Gentleman has asked for moye the adoption of House

' Resoluton n'lmher 405, ak1 in favor of adoption signify

by voting 'aye', the opposed by voting 'no'. Now, the .

Gentleman from Union, Representative Choate, wish to

explain his vote?....''

Choate: ''.....Yeah.....I'd like to explain my vote, Mr.

Speaker. I've never seen the day that Ted could Stoop,

Squat and Bend with me..........And for the Sponsor's

edification. heîs absolutely right, I did split my pants

the other night when I was catching that ball game. But

it was from pride, not from fat.....because I was so

happy that we beat the Senate again......%

Telcsar: f'The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Mann.''

Mann: ''We1l, Mr. Speakerp because T wanted the Resolution to

I voted 'noR-''pass,

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Pred Selcke: ''Take the recordz''

Telcser: ''Yeahov..ytake the record. on this quest...o.this

question l08 eayes', 4 fnays', and the Gentlepan's motion

to adopt House Resolution 405 prevails. Representative

Washingtoh: for what purpose do you rise, Sir.''

Washington: ''Mr. Speaker, I just wanted to prevail upon Rober

Mann. Why dongt you change your vote, Bob, we know your%!

style?''

Telcser: ''Represenkative Mann, do you wish to respond to that

'spirilous' charge?n

Mann: ''I'd like to have my vote remain 'no'.''

Telcser: ''Inkroduction of Pirst Readingo''

Pred Selcke: ''House Bill 1986, Ah..oKriegsman, etal. Approp-

riates $125,000, Department of General Services, First

Reading of the Bi1l.''

Telcser: ''Senate Bills, First Reading.''

Fred Selcke: ''Senate Bill, 3 Creates Lead Poisoning Substance

Conkrol Act, First Reading of the Bill. Benake Bill 440,

Appropriates Flood Control for Lake County, Eirst Reading

of the Bt11. Senate Bill 517, Creates Coordinator of...-

Services for the Agèing. First Reading of the Bill, Senat

Bill 532, Appropriates Department of Public Health: Pirsk

Reading of the Bill. Senake Bill 627, Amends an Act Re-

lating to Eire Arms, Eirst Reading of the Bill. Senate

Bill 909, Appropriations Capital Development Board, First

Reading of the Bil1. Senate Bill 1024, Appropriations

Hand Gun Study Commissions, Pirst Reading of Ehe Bill.

senate Bill 1039, Appropriations for Channel and Work in

McHenry Countye First Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill

1045, Appropriations for Flood Control in Will Countyy

First Reading of the Bi11. Senate Bill 1097. Amends

Civil Administrative Code, First Reading of the Bill.

Senake Bill 1169, Amends an Act relating to casual def-

icits, Pirst Reading of the Bill. Benate Bill 1149

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Appropriations for Residential Property Developmente

First Reading of Ehe Bill. Senate Bill 1173, Appropriati n

for Expense of Judicial System, First Reading of the Bill

Senate Bill 1174, Appropriation for certain Officers in

Judicial System, First Reading of the Bi11.''

Unknown: ''Is that itl!

rred Selcke: ''Are we going to make our Calendar smaller?D

Telcser: NRepresentatiaze Tipsword, for what purpose do you. '')

rise?''

Tipsword: 'flust a point of inquiry, Mr. Speaker.e'

Telcser: Dstate your pointw Sir.''

Tipsword: ''Why is the time of the Membership of this House,

of the Committees and of the Witnesses for Committees

being waistqd on matters that could be done in perfunctor

session, as we are at the present timez''

Telcser: ''....On the Calendar appears a nnmher of matters

that are concurrence motions. Is Representative Sevcik

on the Floor:....Representative W. T. Sn'mms? Represen-

takive Hart? Capparelli? Take it out of the record.

Represenkative Gibbs wish to move on his concurrence moti n?

Representative Washburn, for what purpose do you rise, Si ?

Washburn: ''For the purpose of an announcement if it is in

order?''

Telcser: ''Go right ahead, Sir.''

Washburn: ''To allert about 25 M-mhers of this ...ah...Assembl

that there will be a meeting, Tuesday nighty 30 minutes

after adjournment, in Room Ml, of the House Subcommitteethat will hear about 25 House Bills that contain approp-

riations for Eemporark commissions .o.oocontinuing temp-

orary commissions and new commissions. Ah.-oThis will

be Tuesday afternoon: and each Sponsor of the Bill that

will be, of those Bills that will be heard, has a notice

of this type on their desk. It will be House Bills only.

Thank youp''

Telcserz ''The Gentleman from Cook, Representative WilliamII . .

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Walsh: ''Mr. Speaker, Chairman Bluthardty of the Elections

Committee has asked me to announce that there will be no

meeting of the Elections Committee today. All of the

Bills that have been posted have been postponed.''

Telcser: ''Nowy the Gentleman from Cooke Representative

McAvoy.''

McAvoy: ''Mr. Speaker, and Members of the House, there will

be a meeting of the Banks and Savings and Loan Committèe,

immediatelym....immediaEçly after adjournment in Room 1004.*

Telcser: ''The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Wall.H

Wa1l: ''Immediately after Representakive McAvoy's Committeey

the Committee on Registration and Regùlation will meet.

He only' has three Bills, we'll have three Bills too. so

should be out of khere in a hurry. I'd urge al1 of the

Members on R & R to be there.''

Telcser: ''The Gentleman from Lasallee Representative Soderstro .Te

Soderstrom: ''Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the 'House

I want to remind the Members and the Sponsors who are

inkerested in a Meeting of the Education Committee today

right after adjournment in Room C-l, in the Building7 across the streekp

''

' Telcserr ''The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Duffoo

Duff: *Ah...Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen 6f the House,

I would like to bring notice to the fact that Judiciary 11

this afternoon will not be meeting in 212. bût will be

meetihg in Room D-l, immediately after adjournment./

Telcser: OThe Gentleman from Winnebago, Representakive Northw/

Neff: ''Mr. Speaker, and Ladies and Gentlenen of the House,

there will be a brief meeting of the city and Villages

right after adjournment. M-3.''Telcser: ''The Gentleman from Henderson, Representative Neffao

Neff: ''Mr. Speaker, I rise for the purpose of an announcement.

The Transportation Committee will still meet in 212, a 'hal

hour after they break here ...at 3 o'clocke in order to

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.. .you folks that havenlt eaten ....to get a sandwich

and wefll skart promptly at 3. And we will ...well our

plans is to go through a1l of the Bills this afternoon

and vote on 'em.''

Telcser: ''Is khere any further announcements? The Gentleman

from Cook, Representatlve Schlickman.dt

Schlickman: ''Mr. Speaker, I understand that Ehe Majority

Leader is now going to move that we adjourn. I wouldq'uestion a quoolm however.. . .and I would suggest that

we would not be able to act on that mokion.''

Telcser: 1'We1l, weKve adopted an Adjournment Resolutionalready today...oand Ehe Chair has a pretty good ear and

we could hear the ...ah....the voke...iny furkher announc -

ments? The Gentleman from Cook: Rêpresentative William

Walsh . ''

Walsh: ''Mr. Speaker, I move that the House Adjourn until

10 a.m., Tuesday, June 12th, ..ah...for a regular

Session.''

Telcser: f'The Gentleman has moved the House to stand adjourned

until.ooofor regular session until the hour of 10 a.m.

next Tuesday. All in favor of the Genkleman's motion,

signify by saying 'aye'y the opposed 'nole and the House

stands adjourned.''

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Page Time Speaker Informatfon

' 1 ' Speaker Telcser House to order

Dr. Johnson PrayerI

Speaker Telcser Roll Call I' j

2 Clerk Selcke Messages from t:e Senate jSpeaker Tetcser .

3&4 Clerk Selcke Committee Reports '

' SPZZVYr Ye1CSer '

. . Clerk Selcke ARreed Resolutions

. . speaker Telcser .

5 W. Walsh ' Agreed Resolutions'

Speaker Telcser Agreed Resolutions adopted

stone S.B. 1176 out of order .c

Speaker Telcser vote-motfon prevails

' ' Clerk Selcke ' S.B. 1176, Thfrd Reading

Speaker Telcser'

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! .' ' Speaker Telcser Amendment //1 adopted

k stone . S.B. 1176 '

'' ' Speaker Telèser . vote S.B. 1176 passed. I7 ' crotberg ' H.R. 304 .

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Paqe Time Speaker Information

Speaker Telcser H.R. 304 adopted' 2

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Ebbesen back to Second? .

B S eaker Telcser leave-back on Second Reading 'P

Clerk Selcke reads Amendment f/2

' S éaker Telcser .. . p' : . ' , Ebbesen ' M endment //2( . , . .

' ' Speaker Telcser Amendment //2 adopted . .

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'. Lundy ' no one lfstening-yield? .

Speaker Telcser ' '

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soeaker Telcser .

Shea yield? '' k 'r lrser ' ' ' ' ' -. spea er e . ..

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Ebbesen to close

Speaker Telcser vote H.B. 1797 passed

11 Matin'evfch H.B. 978

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Page Time Speaker Information

speaker Telcser

Huskey yleld?

Matijevich 'no'

12 Huskey speaks on the Bill

Speaker Telcser

13 Douglas supports Bill

Speaker Telcser

14 Miller wants an Amendment

Speaker Teleser

Williams wants to answer Gentleman

Speaker Telcser

Stedelin seems funny and doesn't knowwhat he is prescribtng

15 Speaker Telcser

Matijevich to close

Speaker Telcser vote on H.B. 978 fails

u. Walsh suspend provision 5 of Rule 18

Speaker Telcser

16 Wall quèstions

Walsh no

Speaker Telcser vote-motion prevailsH.3. 1714 postponed consïderatio

Colltns

17 Speaker Telcser vote H.B. 1714 passedH.B. 1108 postponed consideratio

Springer

Speaker Telcser

18 Jaffe opposes Bill

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Speaker Telcser

Boyle

' Speaker Telcser

Jaffe Personal Privflege

Speaker Telcser

Kennedy supports Bill

speaker Telcser

19 Stedelin

Speaker Telcser

Flinn ''rule stfll 1n?H

Speaker Telcser go ahead

Flinn supports Bill

Speaker Telcser

Sims questfon .

Flinn 'no'

Spàaker Telcser' .

i Bepvpre ''yiold?

Speaker Telcser. . .

. '. ' '. '- . seaupre question

Speaker Telcser

'20 Springer

Speaker Telcser

' Beaupre gun registration 1aw

21 Speaker Telcser '

Springer to close

Speaker Telcser vote

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Speaker Telcser

Taylor 'present'

!Speaker Telcser

washln ton ''how am I recorded?''8

22 Speaker Telcser

' Borchers

spiaker Telcser

Kucharski .''how am I recorded?''

. 4 'Clerk Selcke aye

. Kucharski change to 'no'.

Speaker Telcser

23 Duff explains vote

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' Marttn ''how am I recorded?n

Clerk Selcke

Speaker Telcser . ,'

Jaffe ' .' : .' s ker Telcser ' 88 'pea

Jaffe if it reaches 89

S-p-e-aker TelcserL'+ +-;* o

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DATE : 6-8-7 3 '

Paae Time Speaker. InformationTaylor vote 'aye'

24 Speaker Telcser 89 'ayes'

Springer poll the absentees

Clerk Selèke reads the absentees

S k Telcser Giglio 'aye' 'pea er

clerk Selcke

speaker Telcser springer 'aye?

Clerk Selcke

Beaupre changes vote

Speaker Telcser to 'aye'

Clerk Selcke

Speaker Telcser

Kosinski how am I recorded?

u s yasasSPCZ CV C. , . . . .

Kosinskt thank you

25 Speaker Telcser

Clerk Selcke reads Affirmative Roll Calli

Speaker Telcser

Jaffe discussion of Roli call

26&27&28 Clerk Selcke .'' .(

' s eaker Telcser. p

i ' ' ' 'Carter how am I recorded?

Speaker Telcser

Clerk Selcke

Carter 'ayeê

Speaker Telcser

, clerk Selcke

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TRANSCRIPTION INDEX


Pane Tfme Speaker Informationi k Telcseri 29 Spea er

Von Boeckman was catled outsideI' Speaker TElcser

Hirschfeld how am I recorded?: 1 .

. ' Speaker Telcser .

clerk selcke 'aye'

' X S ZCSCV ' ' ' '. Spea er ej ' , , .

: ' schnetder 'I'm sorry' '

' ' 30 . '' speauer Telcser H.B. 1108 fatls .'

. V n fl . g g 1362 on postponed consider tion

Lauer

. speaker Telcser H.B. 1362 to Second Reading

clerk selcke' ' reads Amendment #1

. . ' . ' .' speaker Telcser ' '

' ' Lauer zmendment #1 '

Speaker Telcser Amendment //1 adopeed' Jones . 'no' on H.B. 1108

31 ' Speaker Tetcser

. .. . .' . . . Lauer . . - .z .) . . ' ., '. : ' .. . . ' g ker Telc ser . . Vote. I . ' ' . . I)P8 .. . ' . . ' .

. ' : ' . Getty explains vote

' .. ' ; ' .: ' Speaker Tetcser ' , . ' '' t .'

. 32 . Kosinski . supporDs Bill

speaker Telcser H.B. l362'passed

'' '' H-B. 1818 postponed consïderati n. . '

.. 4, .#Skinaer

, . . speaker Telcser

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TRANSCRIPTION INDEX. DATE: 6-8-73 '

IPage Time Speaker Informatfon

33 Flinn opposes Bill

Speaker Telcser

Boyle supports Bill

Speaker Telcsex

34 Skinner to ctose


Skinner explains vote

Speaker Telcser .

35 Boyle good Bi11

speaker Telcser

Rigaey supports Bill

Speaker Telcser H.B. 1818 passed

1' H.B. 1299 postponed considerati n

Q iR YZm VV G36 unn g

Speaker Telcser

Fleck 'here we to agaia'

Speaker Telcsez

Giorgi 'not wavtng zmerican Flage

37 Speaker Telcser

' Cunningham Probably on today's Calendar

Speaker Telcser

Murphy

Speaker Telcser

38 Cunntngham to close

Speaker Tetcser vote

39 Giorèi explains vote

Speaker Telcser<- fsta -xxw'r . 'x

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TRANSCRIPTION INDEX DATE: 6-8-73 '


Duff last speaker went out of order

Speaker Teleser

Giorgi Point of order

Speaker Telcser

Duff Personal Privflege

40 Speaker Telcser

Fleck disagrees with previous speaker

speaker Telcser

il Cunningham explafns vote

Speaker Telcser

Gio-Karis Personal Prfvflege

Speaker Telcser B.B. 176: failed

'' H.B. 797 pos:poned consideratio

Schlickman B.B. 797 to Second Reading

speaker Telcser

ï,? Clerk O'Brien zmendment #5

42 Speaker Telcser

Tuerk Ameadmeat f?5

Speaker Telcser

Schltckman

Speaker Telcser

43 Beaupre opposes Amendment /J5

Speaker TZICSer

Pierce opposes

Speaker Telcser T.O.O.R.

H.B. 1299 postponed consideratt n

44 Mann H.B. 1299 to Second Readingr.; -k-nx>..s:k k..r'@ '' . 1 X G E N E R A L A s S E M B L Y' - y rtp-oa ,! vi l : 9,,,:..,. svwve os ,uu,,g.,s* $ . cl .jjly . s o qr s e: o p. n s v a s s s: a v A, v j v s sl ' ' '' %*p NNtêb *d1* %*

TRANSCRIPTION INDEX DATEZ 6-8-73

Page Time Speaker Informatfon '

Speaker Telcser to Seeond Readfng I

Clerk O'Brien reads Amendment //1 i

. Marcin zmendment //1

Speaker Telcser '. I' Kempiners yield? ' ' '

. ' I

Speaker Telcser . ' ' j' ' 45 Kem iners questions 'p . .

Martin ' ' '

Speaker Telcser '

.u. uals: opposes Amendment Iîk

Speaker Telcse/ .

46 D&ViS '

. ' Speaker Telcser . .

Hudson opposes Amendment and Bill

47 Speaker TElcser ,

Murphy moves previous question'

speaker Telcser '.

. ua usz, . to close k. r

Spaker Telcser '. . . . ;

' Borchers ' k'rats in charge of cheese'

' Speaker Telqser Amendment #1 adopted '

ua , : , . u s yzqa ,48 nn . - .

Speaker Telcser ' '

49 W. Walsh ' Opposes Bfll

Speaker Telcser

50 Mann to close

Speaker Telcsersn-'ù'-w,': . tr G E x E R A t. x s s E M B t. Y' ' y V2J*N' a 1 .Jq N,g

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TRANSCRIPTION INDEX DATEI 6-8-73

PaRe Time Speaker Information

Flecke explafns vote

51 Speaker Telcser

Giorgi explafas yoteN) .; .

Speaker Telcser

51a Kempfners explains vote

Speaker Telcser

Davis

Speaker Telcser

52 Campbell supports Bill

speaker Telcser vote on H.B. 1299 passed

Martin comment to Borchers

speaker Telcser R.B. gzt-postponed consideratto

Shea H.B. 921

Speaker Telcser proceed

Shea H.B. 921 '

Speaker Telcser

53 Walsh opposes Bill

Speaker Telcser

Shea to close .


5: R. Walsh B111 wasa't explaiaed properly

speaker Telcser

55 stone supports B111

Speaker Telcser conclude

Stone thank you

Speaker Telcser

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TRANSCRIPTION INDEX DATEZ 6-8-73

!iI Paae Time speauer Informatéon/ 'I Jones sapports Btll

Speaker Tetcser H.B. 921 fatls

H.3. 1848 postponed consfderati n

Caldwell H.B. 1848 to Second?

Speaker Telcser to Second Reading

Clerk O'Briea reads Amendment #3

Speaker lelcser

Caldwell Amendment #3Il 56 spèaker Telcser Amendmeat #3 adopted

57 Caldwell H.B. 1848

Speaker Telcser

Hudson yfeld?

Speaker Telcser

Hudson questions

Caldwelt yields to Chapman

Speaker Telcser

j . 'Cbapman yes@ .! '

jl uudson ytetu?j ' . q

'

i Speaker TeleserI '58 Hudson H.E.W. report

''. cbapman proposal of Rep. catdwell

nudson speak Lo the Bi11?k. : ' .

u' speaker Telcser on the B11l

59 Budson opposes Bill

speaker Telcser

R. Dunne opposes Ei11

s eaker Telcser; Gx c 'x ; yxi 4

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TPANSCRIPTION Ixbex DATE z 6-8-73


60 Schnefder Bi11 is essentïally souhd

Speaker Telcser

61 Caldwell to close

62 Speaker Telcser vote

Walters explains vote

Speaker Telcser

Skinner

63 Speaker Telcser

Lechowfcz supports Bill

Speaker lelcser

Chapman explafns vote

64! Speaker Telcser vote H.B. 1848 faïls

M '* H.B. 1477 postponed consideratio

J.M. Houlihan H.B. 1477 to Seeond Reading?

Speaker Telcser H.E. 1477 to Secon; Reading

Clerk O'irfea reads Amendment #5

Speaker Telcser

#5J.M. Houlihan Amendment

65 Speaker Telcser Aéendment #5 adopted

Moulihan H.B. 1477

Speaker Telcser Thfrd Readfng

66 Berman opposes Bill

Speaker. Telcser

Kosfnskf yield?

Speàker' lélcser

Kosinski give Mayor right of veto?

67 Houlihan - - excus-e me-? -xs''B.-

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Page Time Speaker Informatlon

. . :Kosinskf) I

) discussionHoulihan)

Kosinski addresses Bfll

speaker Telcser .

' Rirschfeld question to Choate

. Speaker Telcser '

68 ' c:oate . 'my'voice fs about gone? .

Speaker Telcser ' .'

Houlihan b...i te close. ' . . ' ' '

' Speaker Telcser vote '

69 Douqlas ' explains vote

' S eaker Telcser ' . '. p

l 70 ' '' . uoultban explaias vote''' Speaker Telcser .

' ' Kennedy explains 'present' vote'' ker Telcser '. . spea

' '' ' , Yourell explains vote

' ' ' ' S eaker Telcser . ' ' h '. . , p

. ' . . .- .. Thompson ... explains vote .

speaker Tetcser H.3. 1477 fails .

. ' ' ' ' * *

71 Bluthardt H.B. 452 . .

Speaker Telcser vote .

u . ' Mann what a differece a day makes

. I' Speaker Telcser H.B. 452 passed .' 1

'' '' H.B. 1536 postponed consfderatio

Gizlio H .3 . 153-6 - - - .7

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' S*Q..!1'. . . . - . . . . . . . . . . .. - . .

TRANSCRIPTION INDEX DATEI 6-8-73

Page Time speaker Informatton

Speaker Telcser

Hirscbfeld opposes Bill

Speaker lelcser

k. Walsh . opposes B1l1

Speaker Telcser

Choate

Speaker lelcser

Laurino moves previous question :

Speaker ïelcser

74 Giglto to close

Speaker Telcser; vote

R. Dunne is this honor system?

Speaker Telcser wish a vertfication?

W. Walsh another Roll Call

Speaker Telcser absentees pulled

Clerk o'Briea reads names of absentees

Speaker Telckser Steele 'no'

Clerk O'Brien absentees

Speaker Telcser verffication of Affirmative Rol Call

Clerk O'Brien reads Af f irmative Roll C,a11

76&77&78&79 Speaier Telcser) ')

R. Dunne ))

Clerk O'Brien )

speaker Telcser

Stedèlin how' am I recorded?

speaker Telcser

Clerk 0' Brten. k é; . Nwxo '-.,C;,- ., . gy? 1' ? . z%. . N G E N E R A L A S S E M B L YI 1 p *'**-1-'-1' L-)..-jg. l ) sv ..r e: ... , q.u . s, ., sy 1 --,: . < z. pjj . soujss cjs sssasssamxxjvss

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X' TRANSCRIPTION INDEX DATE:j..

iPaqe Tlme Speaker Informatfon I

Stedelin . I

' j' Huskey how am I recorded?

Speaker Telcser !

Clerk O'Brien: -) . jHuskey

S VOr YCICSZV ' 'PCZ

Mccourt how am I recorded? '

Speaker Telcs:r .

' Cterk O'Brien

Speaker Telcser H.B. 1536 fails

80 W. Walsh move to reconsider

Speaker Telcser

. Hirscbfeld 1fe on tbe table

. W. Nalsh withdrav request

. Speaker Telcser H.B. 998

Jones H.B. 998

s eaker Telcser 'p

81 . . Mann question'

. Londrigan Cosponsors

' Speaker Telcser H.B. 998 passed - ,

speaker Telcser H.B. 1932

. Choate to Second?

Speaker Telcser

Cunningham 1Speaker Telcser

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TRANSCRIPTION INDEX 6-8-73

Paae Ttme Speaker Information

Choate answers

Speaker Telcser

82 Cunningham ) 'unsupported allegatfon')

Choate ) argues

Speaker Telcser motfon fs properL:

Cuanfnghaz

83 Speaker Telcser

Ewell Cunningham is in error

Speaker Telcser vote-motton prevatls

Speaker E.B. 1091 postponed constderati n

Merlo H.B. 1091

84 Speaker Telcser vote-H-B. 1091 passed

'' '' H.B. 1692 postponed considerati n

Mugalian leave to handle for Eayson

85 Speaker Telcser vote-H.3. 1692 faïls1

H.B. 576 postponeu consideratio

86 Pierce H.B. 576

speaker Telcser:

Duff opposes Bill. .

.. . '< , ' '' speaker Telcser

87 Pferce te close

speaker Telcser

Duff 'who is telling the trutho'

Speaker Telcser vote-H.B. 576 fails

'' f' H.B. 1150 postponed considerati n

88 Washington H.B. 1150

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DATEI

' DATS; 6-8-73TRANSCRIPTION INDEX .

Paqe Tfme Speaker Information

Speaker Telcser

W. Walsh opposes Bill I. I

Speaker Telcser

89 Washington to close

' Speaker Telcser vote

Washington . .

Speaker Telcser take another Roll Call

Washington :011 of the absentees

Speaker ïelcser

90 ' Clerk Selcke reads absentees

Speaker Telcser

W. Walsh verificatton

Speaker Telcser

Jones hov am I recordedo' - Speaker Telcser

Clerk Selcke'

j v91 Jones aye

s eaker TelcserP k

. . Clerk Selcke reads Aff im ative Ro11 Call' speaker Telcser .

W. Wals: discuss votes

92 ' Clerk Selcke ' . .

speaker Telcser ISharp how am I recorded: . j

' jClerk SelckeI

' sharp 'aye'

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TRKNSCRIPTION INDEX ' DATE: 6-8-73 ' 'j

' Paqe Time speaker Information .

ISpeaker Telcser

W. Walsh questioss votes

93 McGrev ' .

S eaker l'elcser how .am I recorded? 'P

Clerk Selcke .

' ' ' Mccrew . 'ave' ' '. '

' speaker Tetcser

Ralph Dunn hov am I recorded? '

Speaker Telcser .

Clerk Sclcke î

. . . puna 'no'

walsh ' questfoas votes

Speaker Tetcser

clekk Selcke ' .

Speaker Telcser

: ' Kent how am 1 recorded?

' Cleré selcke '. '

' Kent ' ' ' resent? . 'P. 7 < ' k.

. ' .

'

.Speaker Telcserhz . '' ' Clerk Selcke ) ' ' ' ' t

. . ) . .'' '

Walsh ) ''- ' ' '. ' . ' . . . '

. . . '

Speaker Telcser

. Scbraeder how am I reeorded?

94 Schraeder 'aye'

speaker Telcser '

stiehl how am 1 recorded:

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TRANSCRIPTION INDEX DATE : 6-8-73!!

Paqe Time speaker Information1 speauer TelcserClerk Selcke

Stfehl

Speaker Telcser-). ). )

Clerk Selcke ))

W. Walsb )

Speaker Telcser H.B. 1150 fails

1' '' H 3. 1431 postponed consïderati

95 Berman H.B. 1431

Speaker Telqser

Juckett opposes Bf1l

Speaker Telcser

96 Mccourt supports Bfll

Speaker Telcser

Skinner opposes Bill

Speaker Telcser

;. Plerce Tesents bis A; pa Nater befng ïn-ulted

97 Skinner sorry!

Speaker Telcser

98 Berman t0 close

Speaker Telcser vote-H.B. 1431 fails

'' '# House Bflls, Thïrd Readfng

99 Lechowicz H.B. l936-out of order

Speaker Telcser vote-motion prevails

Clerk Selcke H.B. 1936 Third Reaàing

Berman H.B. 1936

speaker Telcser vote-H-B. 1936 passed

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TRANSCRIPTION INDEX DATE: 6-8-7a

Paqe Time Speaker Iaformation

I W. Walsh Adjournmeat Resolution

190 Clerk Selcke H.J.R. 62

Walsh H.J.R. 62

Speaker Telcser)

Matijevfch meeting Monday

speaker Telcser suspend Rule 18

101 Matijèvtch ) ')

Speaker Telcser) dfscusston

l02 Collins Subcommlttee

Speaker Telcser))

Choate ) diseussfon

103 Speaker Telcser

Wasbington clarffy a pofnt

Speaker Telcser

104 Matilevich .

Speaker Telcser H.J.R. 62 adopted

k. Walall extend deadlilke ol: f our Bills

Speaker Ielcser vote

W. Walsh

105 Speaker Ielcser motfon prevafls

W. Walsh suspend provisions of Rule 37c

Speaker Telcser vote-motfoa prevatls

106 Clerk Selcke H.B. 142, Third Readtng

speaker Telcser

Keller to Second Reading?

Speake r Telcser A1l rfght

Clerk Seleke Amendment //2.

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TRKNSCRIPTION INDEX DATE: 6-8-73

III PaRe Time speaker Informatfon

Speaker Telcser

Keller Amendment //2

Speaker Telcser

Lechovicz

Speaker Telcser Amendment //2 adopted

l07 Keller

Speaker Telcser

Lechovicz

Keller A11 rfght

Speaker Telcser hold on Yhird Reading

jt :1 u : 5g1

Kostnski H.B. 53l

l08 Speaker Telcser B.B. 781

Clerk Selcke H.3. 781, Thtrd Reading

Speaker Telcser

Bruamet H.B. 781

Speaker Telcser vote-H.B. 781 passed

Craig companion Bills-hold

lG9 Speaker Telcser

Craig bold *1th 96l

speaker Telcser

clerk Selcke H.B. 1152, Third Reading

Speaker Telcser

Washfngtoa H.3. 1152

Speaker Telcser

Juckett yield?

' Speaker Telcser . '. -'I'îi-'-z..x .z :2

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lfaxuscRxzzlou IùDEX DATE z 6-8-.73

Page Time Speaker Inforxation

1l0 Juckett ))

Washiugton) discassion

Speaker lelcser vote-H.B. 1152 passed

Katz Revenue B1ll

Speaker Telcsér

Clerk Selcke H.B. 1937. Third Reading

Speaker Telcser

Washburn H.B. 1937

l11 Speaker Telcser vote-H.B. 1937 passedl

Clerk Selcke H.B. 1943. Third Readfng

Speaker Telqser

Choate H.B. 1943

Speaker Telcser vote-H.B. 1943 passed

Clerk Selcke H.B. 1975 Thfrd Reading

Speaker Telcser

Washburn H.B. 1975

112 Speaker Telcser vote-RoB. 1975 passed

Terzfch motion oa S.B. 534

Speaker Telcser

Terzich

Speaker Telcser

Jaffe what is does?

Terzich difered compensatfon

Speake'r 'relcser

Katz

113 Terzicb S .B . 564 instead

S eaker Telcser motf on prevafls,.ym7'i-w

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TRANSCRIPTION INDEX ' DATEZ 6-8-73 i

I .

P-aqe Time Speaker Information .

Berman questioa to Terzich '

Speaker Telcser

Katz S.B. 534 fnstead ..N)1l4 Speaker Telcsek' motion to reconsider prevafls

Wall which Committee?

Speaker Tetcser vote .

' Katz second Bill tabled

Speaker Telcser i: Sponsor wfshes

1l5 Berman questions to Sponsor

Speaker' lelcser motion prevails

Maragob ) 950 on Calendar until June 14th

Speaker Telcser vote-motion Prevails

Iy ff q g u sy

1l6 Katz H.J.R. 37

' Bpeaker Telcser vote-Resolution adopted

W. Walsh students in gallery

Speaker Telcser .'

cterk selcke H.R. %û5

speaker Telcser ' ' ,

. '

Beaupre . H.R. 405

S ker Telcser ' ''-Pea

W. Walsh aldermen in gallery

speaker Telcser General Resolutions '

Clerk Selcke H.R. 406 and 407

speaker Telcser

117 Clerk Selcke Committee Reportsr . .

Speaker Telcser' a. I

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DATX: 6-8-73TRANSCRIPTION INDEX

Paqe Time Speaker Informatlon

118 . Clerk Selcke House Resolutions

Speaker Telcser

Beaupre moves adoption of Resolutions.)

Speaker Telcset .

Choate to explain vote

' Speaker Telcser '

' T

'

tMann . . votes no .

119 Speaker Telcser H.R. i05 passed

Washingtoa Mannl chànge votei

Speaker Telcser

te remains 'no'Mann . vo

Speaker Telcser

clerk Selcke Introductlonp Ffrst Readlng

Speaker Telcser . '

. 12O Clerk Selcke Senate Bills. First Reading'

speaker Telcser

Tipsword Point of Inquiry

' Speaker' Telcser '

. psWo

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