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The Traveller Child’s
experience of Early Childhood
Care and Education since the
introduction of the free pre-
school year
Marie Cuddihy
Dissertation presented in part fulfilment of the requirements for the
degree for Master of Arts in Early Childhood Studies,
Queen’s University Belfast.
Early Childhood Education Department
September 2014
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ABSTRACT
The aim of this research is to explore the Traveller child's experience of pre-school
since the introduction of the free pre-school year.
The literature shows that Travellers' educational outcomes are not on a par with non-
Travellers and that early education has a vital role in promoting inclusion from the
outset.
A mixed methods research approach was adopted to facilitate the collection of both
quantitative and qualitative data from early years’ educational services and Traveller
parents. A survey, interviews and a focus group were the tools used.
The results found that Traveller children are in the main not accessing pre-school
outside the community sector. Familiarity with pre-schools and relationships were
found to be important factors for Traveller families when choosing a pre-school.
Analysis of the results pointed to recommendations in the areas of on-going data
collection, partnership with parents in line with Siolta, standard 3, and supports a
well-resourced Equality & Diversity training plan combined with on-going mentoring
of Childcare practitioners.
Keywords: Travellers; Early years education; inclusion; free pre-school year;
universalism; Partnership; Equality & Diversity; Siolta and Aistear.
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ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS
I would like to acknowledge the assistance, guidance and support of the Early
Childhood Studies Team at Stranmillis University College, Belfast, throughout my
engagement with the MA in Early Childhood Studies. Specifically, I would like to
thank my supervisor, Dr. Barbara McConnell for her professional supervision at each
stage of this research.
I would also like to thank my family and friends, and colleagues in the Early Years’
sector for their encouragement, assistance and patience.
Finally, I wish to sincerely thank the Traveller Parents and Early Years Practitioners
who participated in and contributed to this project.
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ACRONYMS USED & EXPLANATION OF TERMS
AISTEAR
Aistear – The Curriculum Framework
CCSS Community Childcare Subvention
Scheme
DES Department of Education and Skills
DCYA The Department of Children & Youth
Affairs
ECEC Early Childhood Education and Care
ECCE Scheme
Early Childhood Care and Education
Scheme = Free Pre-school Year
EOCP Equal Opportunities Childcare
Programme
FETAC
Further Education & Training
Awards Council
NDP
National Development Programme
NEYAI National Early Years Access
Initiative
NEYQSS National Early Years Quality Support
Service
NCIP National Childcare Investment
Programme
OMC Office of the Minister for Children
OMCYA Office of the Minister for Children &
Youth Affairs
PPP Professional Pedagogy Project
SIOLTA Siolta – The Early Years quality
Framework
UNCRC UN Convention on the Rights of the
Child
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LIST OF FIGURES
Page number
Figure 2.1 Investment in Traveller education 2008-2013
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Figure 4.1 Questionnaire Distribution and Results
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Figure 4.2 Breakdown of Respondents by type of service 49
Figure 4.3 Breakdown of Respondents by size of service 50
Figure 4.4 Enquiries to Pre-school services about
admission by Traveller families since January 2010
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Figure 4.5 Enquiries to Private Pre-schools by Travellers 52
Figure 4.6 Enquiries to Community Pre-schools by
Travellers
53
Figure 4.7 Number of Traveller Children who attend
Community Pre-schools
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Figure 4.8 Number of Traveller Children who attend
Private Pre-schools
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Figure 4.9 Equality & Diversity Training 56
Figure 4.10 Responsibility for ensuring good peer
relationships in Pre-school
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Figure 4.11 Factors that the Community Sector thinks
would attract Traveller Families
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Figure 4.12 Factors that the Private Sector thinks would
2.3 INCLUSION OF TRAVELLER CHILDREN IN THE EARLY YEARS SECTOR.............................................................................................................................. 28
2.4 SUMMARY OF LITERATURE REVIEW ......................................................... 40
4.2 RESULTS OF QUALITATIVE RESEARCH WITH TRAVELLER PARENTS .. 66
4.3 RESULTS OF ONE-TO-ONE INTERVIEWS WITH CHILDCARE PROVIDERS.............................................................................................................................. 73
CHAPTER 5: ANALYSIS AND DISCUSSION .......................................................... 80
or strong to Traveller parents can impinge upon the child’s pre-school experiences.
This was visited in Chapter 2 also when referencing an article which appeared in the
national press (Times Educational Supplement, 2012)
It can be seen from the findings of the questionnaire that pre-school services, mainly
believe that the onus is on them to ensure that Traveller children have good peer
relationships within the pre-school setting. If this thinking was changed to a
collaborative vision where both pre-schools and parents share this responsibility and
partnership with parents was the norm, not just in the realm of promoting good peer
relationships, arguably, relationships between Traveller families and pre-school
services would be greatly enhanced and the child’s experience of pre-school
improved.
To achieve meaningful partnership with parents, the ethos of the service needs to
reflect the willingness and drive for partnership in its policies and procedures and
communicate this ethos to Traveller parents. The underlying research for SIOLTA,
the Quality Framework as referenced in Chapter 2 states “…parental involvement
needs to be individualised and reflective of the diversity of families” (Siolta1, 2006:6)
It is acknowledged that involving parents in decision-making in the early years sector
is difficult to implement (Siolta1, 2006) but arguably with a drive to apply the
strategies outlined in Siolta Standard 3, Parents & Families (Siolta, 2006: 29)
improved outcomes could be realised for Traveller families and pre-schools alike.
According to the results of the interview with a Community Service, there is the belief
that Relationship building is slow and cumulative and can sometimes take
generations, as evidenced by the following quote,
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The big thing is familiarity and trust that builds up over a lot of
years so maybe even Traveller families who would never have sent
their children to pre-school, they have sent their children to homework club.
So they might have had older ones in homework club and then the free pre-
school year (ECCE) came in and they might send younger
children or their grandchildren because the service is someplace they trust for
the care of their children.
This leads to the fifth theme that emerged from the study which is Promoting
Familiarity and Connection between the Pre-school and the Travelling Community.
Promoting Familiarity and Connection between the Pre-school and the Travelling Community.
Findings from the questionnaire showed that the Community sector placed more
emphasis (88%) on familiarity or connection to the pre-school service by Traveller
families than did the Private sector (41%). This could be the case because, often, the
Community sector pre-school offers additional services, on the same site, which
Traveller families avail of. These additional services could be training or information
and the Traveller families become familiar with the pre-school aspect of the service
by accessing the other services. There is a general understanding of this process
within the community sector and maybe not such a strong understanding from the
private sector, even though, one private service when asked “what would put
Traveller families off accessing your pre-school” seemed cognizant of this lack of
familiarity when answering “Maybe where we are, or maybe they don’t know where
we are”. This may well be the case, because during the focus group with Traveller
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participants, when asked “Do you have enough information about pre-schools in your
area?” a participant answered “Well, I didn’t know there was 40 in this town”
indicating that there is a lack of familiarity around pre-school services. This familiarity
is greatly increased in the community sector due to provision of other services on-
site and it was acknowledged by a Community pre-school that Traveller families are
pragmatic in their choice of pre-school and would often base their decision to choose
a service if “…it suits in other ways”. This echoes the literature, specifically in that
Travellers choose what education suits them and are active decision makers (O’
Hanlon, 2010).
The issue for going forward, is how to promote a familiarity and connectedness with
pre-schools for Traveller families, where there is only pre-school provision on-site.
Can this be done by information dissemination? Who should take responsibility for
this? Should it be a national initiative or left to individual pre-schools to manage?
This issue has been visited by Right From the Start when talking about Equality and
Diversity Training for pre-school Providers where it was recommended that not only
should the recent pilot of Equality and Diversity Training be rolled out nationally but
this should be accompanied by “…mandatory training and support for diversity and
equality practice” (Right From the Start, 2013:22). This national approach would
allow for streamlining of approaches and go some way towards, eliminating poor
practices and, guiding pre-schools on how to become familiar to all communities and
further connectedness with Traveller families.
5.4 CONCLUSION OF DISCUSSION
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The preceding chapter analysed and discussed the results of this research project.
Bringing the quantitative and qualitative data together and enmeshing it with the
literature produced a robust picture of the Traveller Child’s experience of pre-school
since the introduction of the free pre-school year. This picture had 5 differing aspects
1. Differences between what Traveller Parents and Pre-schools see as
important factors when choosing a pre-school
2. Inclusion/Integration of Traveller children into Private pre-schools
3. Pre-schools level of expertise in Equality and Diversity
4. Relationship building
5. Promoting Familiarity and Connection between the Pre-school Sector and the
Travelling Community.
The next chapter moves on to present the conclusions from this study and points to
potential considerations for Policy makers and implementers in the area of inclusive
pre-school provision.
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CHAPTER 6: CONCLUSION AND RECOMMENDATIONS
6.0 CONCLUSION
This study explored and identified the Traveller Child’s experience of Pre-school in
the Republic of Ireland since the introduction of the free pre-school year using a dual
lens, that is, the experiences of Traveller parents and the experiences and statistical
data collected from pre-school services.
The Research questions presented at the outset of this research were
7. Where, in 2014, do Traveller Children attend pre-school?
8. What are Traveller parents’ views on how their children experience pre-
school?
9. Are pre-schools equipped to understand what Traveller families are looking
for in a pre-school?
This chapter seeks to demonstrate how these questions have been answered,
before suggesting recommendations arising from the research findings.
Following this limitations and benefits of the study will be outlined.
6.1 RESEARCH QUESTIONS
Research Question 1 - Where, in 2014, do Traveller Children attend pre-school?
In the main, Traveller children attend pre-school in Community services, even though
there is visibility of Traveller children moving into the Private Pre-school sector.
Community services get more enquiries from Traveller families that Private services
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do. This practice can be explained by the Familiarity/Connectedness theme or the
Travellers not being aware of the universality of pre-school services since 2010
Research Question 2 - What are Traveller parents’ views on how their children experience pre-school?
Traveller parents rank the relationship that the child has with the pre-school teacher
as very important, along with putting great emphasis on the care the child receives.
Verbal communication and trust were sub-themes that were prevalent in the findings
as were inclusion and integration.
Research Question 3 - Are pre-schools equipped to understand what Traveller families are looking for in a pre-school? Pre-schools do understand what Traveller Families are looking for in a pre-school on
many levels, however, there are areas that need to be highlighted and worked upon.
This work needs to be done to address the level of expertise of childcare
practitioners in the area of Equality and Diversity; to question childcare services’
perception that they have more expertise than is actually evident; to facilitate the
translation of training into inclusive practices on the ground; to explore the provision
of intensive coaching and mentoring following Equality and Diversity Training; to
allocate resources, including time, to facilitate equality and diversity practices.
Understanding that, traditionally, Traveller families access pre-school on a multi-
service site, and this pattern is challenging in terms of attracting traveller families into
mainstream settings.
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On the whole, the answer to this research question is mixed. Pre-schools have some
of the tools to understand the needs of Travellers but more resources are needed to
fully equip pre-schools.
6.2 RECOMMENDATIONS
Recommendation 1 - National Audit of where Traveller children attend Pre-school
Arising from research question 1 and its findings, it might be useful if a National Audit
of where Traveller Children attend Pre-school could be carried out. This could be
easily achieved by adding a question to the ECCE registration forms which pre-
schools gather from parents each September. This data could be compared annually
to audit the trends in where Travellers attend pre-school and to document any shift
towards the Private Sector.
Recommendation 2 - Implementation of a Partnership with Parents Strategy
Arising from research question 2 and the issue of what Travellers parents want from
the pre-school sector, widespread implementation of SIOLTA Standard 3, Parents
and Families, could be considered with a view to opening up sustained dialogue and
engagement with Traveller families, promoting partnership while Traveller children
attend pre-school and beyond.
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Recommendation 3 - Facilitation of the continuance of Equality and Diversity Training
Finally, arising from Research Question 3 and the question of equipping pre-schools
to understand what Traveller families want from the pre-school sector, continuing
with the roll-out of Equality and Diversity training might be considered with the
addition of coaching and mentoring and the requirement for reflexive practice. A
similar model to that used by the Professional Pedagogy Project (PPP) (NEYAI,
2014). could be utilised. Acknowledging that this training was not specifically in the
area of Inclusion, does not dilute the potential usefulness of the model.
Further to the rolling out of this training, consideration might be given to adopting
more holistic approaches to Equality and Diversity Training as shown by the
TOYBOX PROJECT (McVeigh, 2007) and the MEDIA INITIATIVE (Coral, 2012) in
Northern Ireland where stakeholders other than Early Years Educators were involved
in the interventions, as mentioned in the literature review.
The three recommendations outlined above can be universally applied to the Early
Years sector and could be viewed as initiatives to facilitate all children in the early
years’ environment. The recommendations could be initial steps to inform policy
makers when planning educational services for all young children.
6.3 SUMMARY OF RECOMMENDATIONS
These recommendations are directly in line with the recently published National
Policy Framework for Children and Young People which states that the government
commits to “Strengthen social Inclusion measures and re-invigorate efforts to
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improve educational outcomes among, and integration of, Travellers, Roma and
migrant children and young people… recognising an enhanced role for early Years
Education in targeting these groups” (Better Outcomes Brighter Futures, 2014: 71)
This re-invigoration could start with collecting data that will show trends in
enrolments in Private Pre-schools, mapping changes on a yearly basis as outlined
by recommendation 1. Re-engaging with the SIOLTA Quality Framework, namely the
Parents and Families Standard, as outlined by recommendation 2, would further the
re-invigoration. Finally, the continuance of Equality and Diversity Training for Early
Years educators, as outlined at Recommendation 3, would be the third step towards
re-invigorating efforts to improve educational outcomes for Travellers and, in the
process, bestow a meaningful, enhanced role upon Early Years educators.
6.4 LIMITATIONS OF THE STUDY
The limitations of this study lie,
Firstly, the research is not representative for the island of Ireland and we
cannot make assumptions that this is the situation across the island.
Secondly, many Traveller parents may have had negative experiences of
education themselves, and this may have impinged on engagement during
the focus group and interviews. This might have been addressed by adding
an observational aspect to the study. This could have taken the form of
observing Traveller Families, bringing their children to, and collecting them
from, pre-school. The observations could have been based upon interactions
between the Traveller family and the Pre-school and may have yielded data
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from another perspective as the researcher would have been able to “’step
back’ from the obvious and ‘ordinary’ and look at the social world and social
interactions ‘afresh’” (Seale, 2012:163)
Thirdly, the opinions of Traveller children were not sought and arguably, this
would have added richness to the findings and upheld the UN Convention on
the Rights of the Child, which states that all children should have a voice. The
reasoning for not using children in this particular study lay in the age profile of
the children who would be from 3 years 3 months up to 5 years
approximately. Also, the type of data being collected is around how service
providers and parents negotiate the arena of pre-school and make it positive
for all children.
Fourthly, there were risks to the participants in the study for example
o Childcare services might have been identified
o Poor practice in childcare services might have been highlighted
o Traveller parents may have been reticent to engage with the Research
based on previous experience with pre-school and/or education
generally
This limitation may have been somewhat lessened by ensuring anonymity
around reporting of research by removing all identifiers, by promoting
confidentiality during interviews and the focus group, by ensuring that all
participants knew that taking part in the study was voluntary and that
everyone could decide to take part or not, or could withdraw at any time.
Nonetheless, the risk to participants is an acknowledged limitation of the
study.
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6.5 BENEFITS OF THE STUDY
In spite of the acknowledged limitations of the study, iterated above, there are also,
arguably, potential benefits accruing from the study, namely
Awareness of ECCE scheme and its universality may be risen;
Promotion of inclusion issues and practices in line with SIOLTA, Standard 14
and the identity and Belonging theme of AISTEAR;
Re-consideration of Equality and Diversity Training especially in light of the
coaching/mentoring aspect of the Training;
Partnership between Traveller parents and childcare services and the
implementation of SIOLTA Standard 3, Parents and Families may be re-
visited as an area in need of resourcing.
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Appendix 18 – Focus Group with Young Traveller Women
Appendix 19 – Interview with Childcare Provider 1
Appendix 20 – Interview with Childcare Provider 2
Appendix 21 – Interview with Childcare Provider 3
Appendix 22 – Ethics Consent Form
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Appendix 1 – Survey/Questionnaire for Childcare Providers
The Traveller child’s experience of Early Childhood Care and Education since the introduction of the free
pre-school year
1. Do you want to be in the draw for a FREE storytelling workshop for your childcare
service? Please choose one answer
Yes No
2. Is your preschool service Community or Private? Please choose Community or
Private from the dropdown box
3. How many preschool children, aged 2.5years to 6 years, attend your preschool
service? Please tick one answer
Less than 6
6 to 10
11 to 20
20+
4. How many Traveller Children attend your pre-school service? Please choose one answer.
0
2
3
4
5+
5. Since January 2010, approximately how many enquiries re admittance to your preschool service have you received from Traveller families? Please tick one answer
0
1 or 2
3 to 7
7+
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6. Has your preschool service ever refused admission to a Traveller child? Please tick one answer
yes
no
don't know
7. What equality and diversity training has your preschool service engaged with? Please tick all that apply
none
as part of general childcare training
Fetac 6 module in Equality & Diversity
Other accredited training
Other non-accredited training
8. How much does your preschool service value diversity of children's
backgrounds? Please tick one answer
Not at all
A little bit
Some
Quite a bit
A tremendous amount
9. Who, do you think, is primarily responsible for making sure that a child has good relationships with his or her peers in the preschool setting? Please tick one answer
Parents Pre- Schools Children
10. What factors about your pre-school would make it attractive to Traveller
Families? Please tick all that apply.
Quality of care/educ.
Proximity to town centre
Training for parents
Additional Extras
No additional extras
Additional Time options
Leadership
Service small 0- 9 places
Mid size 11-20 places
Service large 20+ places
Familiarity
Welcome
Access to other services
None
Other (please specify)
11. If you would be prepared to engage in a short 15 minute one to one
interview, with the researcher on the topics covered above please put your
STRANMILLIS UNIVERSITY COLLEGE A College of Queen’s University Belfast
MA Early Childhood Studies
DISSERTATION CONSULTATION PROFORMA
NAME OF STUDENT: Marie Cuddihy
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DATE OF MEETING: 18.02.14
TIME OF MEETING: 11.30
The following points were discussed and agreed at today’s meeting:
Discussed the structure and format of the methodology. We talked through the structure and
content of the remaining of the dissertation
Talked about the best way to present results to inform the discussion
Action points for next meeting: Submit the methodology for comment by email – 28
th Feb
Email questionnaire for ref
TUTOR SIGNED: ______________________ 18.02.14
STUDENT SIGNED: ______________________18.02.14
A copy of this response has been retained by the tutor for reference
Appendix 14 - Interview with Traveller Parent 1
Interview with Traveller Mother (Catherina) At 12.03 am on 20/03/2014
Background Catherina has three children, 7, 5 and 3 years old. All three went to the crèche for the year before school. Her first experience of pre-school with her daughter was very good- “She learnt an awful lot from the crèche” “I felt that she was very, very happy and content with that crèche”. Her second experience was with her little boy. ”For the first seven months he was very, very happy in school”. However, then Catherina saw the primetime documentary in 2013 about practices in creches and this “changed her opinion completely” “I was doubting myself – was I a bad mother for putting him in
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and that I didn’t pay more attention to what was going on”. “I was doubting myself”. “My opinion changed completely on the crèche and a week later, I took Ben out and kept him at home until he started school, but I really would have wished that he had more experience before he had went to school, and I felt it was a bit early putting him into school. I blamed it on myself and the crèche”.” I wanted to put him in for another year before he started school….because I felt myself as a parent that he wasn’t ready for school but I sent him anyway cos she (the Montessori teacher) said he was ready for school, but with the speech, my little fellow has a speech problem, I can understand him, but the teacher mightn’t, and that’s why I wanted him in the crèche for another year but I didn’t feel comfortable doing that” “With my third child, I was actually working here at the time, I didn’t have much family in the area that could take him while I was working in the morning and I had spoken to a few parents who had kids in other creches, for to see, did they find any problems with the creches. For myself, I didn’t feel ready to put him in the creche for the incident that happened to my other son (in a different service) but I had no other choice and if I wanted to keep my job here, I had to put him into a crèche. Interview I = Interviewer C = Catherina I: Tell me why you chose the particular pre-school to which you sent your eldest child? C: I sent my girl to a Montessori, a different one to the one my son went to. I chose it because I heard good recommendations from other parents that had their kids in that crèche at that time I: were these parents also from the Travelling Community? C: Yes I: Why did you chose the different pre-school for your son? C: Same thing. A cousin of mine had her little girl in there the year before Ben had started and she was giving it high praises that when you were going home every day you were told what he (she) had drank, how many times he (she) had been to the toilet and all this and I found that that was brilliant. I wanted to know every step and minute in the crèche what he was doing and how was he progressing. I: And for your third child, who is now currently in pre-school…. C: My third child… my baby…first starting off for the first couple of days, I didn’t think I was going to adjust fairly easy but then he really got into it and started to enjoy it. Coming out in the day, he was telling me what he doing, painting or…. I: And why did you choose that particular pre-school, which is a different one again? C: Other members of the Travelling community had used that crèche and gave me the good recommendations for it. I: In your opinion, what makes a good pre-school? What’s the most important thing? C: I’d say the minding, the minders, the workers because you know that they’re taking care of your child and their eyes is on them, full stop.
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I: Would you say, if they were well qualified, that that would make it even better? C: Yes, obviously they have to have experience with kids and have to have done everything, all the courses and that, what they have to do before they’re actually in childcare. Learning and the coping. The relationship between the kids and the teacher. I: What would put you off sending your child to pre-school? C: Safety and the teachers. If I felt that I didn’t feel comfortable with the teachers and I didn’t feel that there was any pleasant thing about them and I know from the way my child is reacting with them and my sense of… I: What would encourage you to send your child to a particular pre-school? C: Word-of-mouth, recommendations and how their child got on. I would trust other people before I would just put him in some place. I: Do you think it was a good idea to close Traveller specific pre-schools? C: Yes. I think that the best decision. .I wouldn’t like my child to be singled out, to be in their own community all the time and not mixing. I think that’s a good thing for their development as well. They can mix with other children of their own age. Travelling children have their own culture but at this age they are just developing and they can keep this culture, I feel this personally myself. I: Do you have enough information about pre-school in your area? C: Yes I do.
Appendix 15 - Interview with Traveller Parent 2
Interview with Traveller Mother (Keira) At 12.20 pm on 20/03/2014
Background Keira has three children. In 2005 and 2006 “My first two went to a Traveller’s crèche – it was here in the building. I was upstairs training and it was great because I’d just come in in the morning at nine, put the two girls into the crèche downstairs and I’d come upstairs. I was here until four and then I’d collect them but we’d go down at dinner hour to give the women a break – the mothers would go down to their own children like.” Keira did this until she had her third child in 2007. Then Keira stayed at home for a while and used the Traveller crèche once a week or so as a drop-in for a couple of hours while she did her shopping or other such things. Soon afterwards,
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Keira was employed by the centre up to one o clock each day. By this time her girls were in school so she only needed care for her young son, James went to registered childminder from the ages of two to four years and then started his free-pre-school year in a local Montessori school. ”It was similar to the childminders, he never really like going much – I think it was the mornings used to kill him, he didn’t like to get out of bed in the mornings. I used to have to drag him out”. He went there (the Montessori) for 12 months. It was lovely down there cos they do a little graduation and everything. The have the little graduation hats. Lovely. (The owner) was lovely” Keira felt she was going to have hassle when James started school because “when they’re at pre-school you can keep them off if they really don’t want to go but when they’re at school they’re meant to go, like” Interview I = Interviewer K = Keira I: Tell me why you chose the particular pre-school to which you sent your girls? K: I was upstairs and they were downstairs. If anything happened to them, they would just walk straight up to you. Convenient. I: Did you ever consider going to a different childcare service? K: No I: In your opinion, what makes a good pre-school? K: I think the women. It’s nice if they could have a good relationship with the children. That’s the most important part for me. To know what they’re doing as well. That the child is comfortable with the person is the most important thing for me. I: What would have put you off sending your child to pre-school? K: You kinda get a feeling when things are not…..I was worried when they were starting, anxious like. You hear things on the news about this crèche and you’re thinking could that happen, I think when you start for the first few weeks you are.. and then after a few weeks you get to know them. I: What would encourage you to send your child to a particular pre-school? K: It was close to me. Closer to me is better for me. And you hear people saying my child goes there and it’s a lovely crèche. In the Montessori James went to, he was the only Traveller. Word-of-mouth, recommendations and how their child got on. I would trust other people before I would just put him in some place. I: Do you think g that it was a good idea to close Traveller specific pre-schools?
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K: Yes. I think it nice for them to mix with others and to see other cultures. There’s no-one the same so you can’t bring them up as thinking that…. The school James is in now, he’s the only Traveller that ever went there I: Why did you choose that school? K: To be honest, they’re all different down there, they’re Polish and all different cultures and then they won’t be judged, I think, as much, of being a Traveller. The teacher says “Hello” to the child each morning by his name and this is good. I: When you were accessing pre-schools, did you have enough information about pre-schools in your area? K: I did because I went over to the Childcare Committee myself. I saw something in the window one day. I can read myself and I was looking for a creche so I went in and they gave me a list of creches and phone numbers so I rang them all.
Appendix 16 – Interview with Traveller Parent 3
Interview with Traveller Mother (Bernie) At 12.42 pm on 20/03/2014
Background Bernie has three children, two boys and a girl, aged 7, 9 and 12 years. All three of Bernie’s children went to pre-school. Her eldest boy went to the pre-school in the building where Bernie was part of a Traveller organisation. After having her son, Bernie really didn’t want to leave him but the “woman haunted her” to get her back. “He benefitted an awful lot from that”. Then Bernie moved to another town and again she had her son in the crèche within the same building in which she was working. This crèche was in a family resource centre, which was not traveller specific. “I had bad experience in that pre-school, so I took him out and I shopped around and I got
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him into a different pre-school” Then Bernie finished working in this town but she still started her daughter in the same pre-school because she really liked the way they treated the kids Interview I = Interviewer B = Bernie I: Tell me why you chose the particular pre-school to which you sent your children? B: The first was because it was in the same building as I was. When I wanted to move my son because of the biting incidents, I was talking around to other mothers and I got good feedback from it and when I went up to see them, actually my kids were the first traveller kids that ever went to it, they were very helpful, very understandable. Even when I would go to collect the kids, they would hide in the door. They really enjoyed having the kids and they communicated a lot with me. The other (previous) pre-school that my son was in had more contact with Traveller organisations and there were more Traveller kids there but it just wasn’t the same thing. I: What do you think makes a good pre-school? B: I think it’s the participants, it’s the kids that’s going to it, the families that’s involved and it’s the people that runs it. If they have an interest and they like what they’re doing and enjoy doing what they’re doing and the families don’t have an issue that their child is going (to pre-school) with a Traveller – it just works much better. I: Is there anything that would have put you off sending your child to pre-school? B: That experience that I did have did really knock me back an awful lot like, but I kept him home for about two weeks but the child was missing it (pre-school). I felt guilty then…. And it took me a good bit to get him back into it and that’s why I had to look into things more before I put him back in. In the other crèche (where Bernie’s son was during the biting incident), she was a lovely woman, but she was shocked that I confronted her and made such an issue out of it. Probably there was other Traveller families there before and they didn’t really make a big issue out of these simple things. I: So you feel communication is really important? B: When you’re putting your child into a service, you’re not putting your child into a service with a label on him, you’re putting him in as a child, it’s a human being you’re talking about. It ain’t label Traveller, White, Black or Whatever. It’s a child, like, do you know what I mean? And even though you want your child to have their identity, and you’re not hiding the fact that they’re a Traveller, when you go to talk to someone you’re not talking about Traveller, you are talking about a child. And that’s where I think the people gets very confused with schools and the Education system. I: What would encourage you to send your child to a particular pre-school? B: Good communication. Yeah because when I moved to another town I still drove back to the previous town to put my daughter in the pre-school that I moved my son to. I: Do you think that it was a good idea to close Traveller specific pre-schools?
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K: I think children need to integrate in society but I think some children do get lost along the way too. They’re losing their identity. That’s why I was asking earlier about the toys in the crèche (There were toys that reflected Traveller culture shown in a DVD that was shown earlier in the day). Bernie then gave an example of when one of her boys was in senior infants in primary school and the class was having a conversation about grandparents. Her son mentioned his “Oul Da” and was corrected by the teacher saying there was no such thing (Oul Da is used in Traveller culture as a name for Grandfather) I: Did you have enough information about pre-schools in your area? B: At the time no, it was down to myself for research and for looking for… I: Was it easy to find that information? B: It was yeah, because you get it through word of mouth and through other things. I: Would you say you would rely more on word of mouth or would you go out and research it yourself? B: I can’t read or write so I would rely more on word of mouth. I did view a good few places before I found the right place.
Appendix 17 - Interview with Traveller Parent 4
Interview with Traveller Mother (Katie) At 12.59 pm on 20/03/2014
Background Katie has two children, two boys, aged 6 and 9 years. The older boy didn’t go to pre-school but the younger did at the age of three. Katie live in a different town when her elder boy was little and she didn’t have information about pre-schools. Then when her younger boy was little, Katie moved to another town and was offered a training course and needed childcare. Interview I = Interviewer K = Katie I: Tell me why you chose the particular pre-school to which you sent your children?
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K: Because I heard a lot of people talking about it. It wasn’t just for settled children like. It was mixed. I: Were there other Travellers there? K: There was yeah. I: And was it recommended to you? K: A few of the friends I was talking to was telling me about it. They had kids in it, themselves. I: In your opinion, what makes a good pre-school? K: I think it’s a good pre-school if it’s mixed, like. I think it’s good for the kids to mix and in that crèche, they were very good and they were very nice and all the kids were mixing like. And that’s the reason why I left him in it, I suppose, if I had to have a problem…. I: And how long was he there? K: He was there for two years. I: And did he get the free pre-school year? K: He did yeah I: What would have put you off sending your child to pre-school? K: No…. I think with the other lad, he was my first, I didn’t have any other kids like. I think that might have been the reason he never did go to pre-school. And then he started school when he was four and a half. I: What would encourage you to send your child to a particular pre-school? K: Good recommendations. Good mixed pre-school. I: Do you think that it was a good idea to close Traveller specific pre-schools? K: It’s hard to know, being straight like. That’s a hard question. I’m not sure like. I: Did you think you had enough information about pre-schools in your area? K: Yeah, I had plenty I: Even for your older boy? K: I knew, yeah, I didn’t have anyone else there. I was moving around a good bit as well like. Wasn’t really in the one place long enough.
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Appendix 18 – Focus Group with Young Traveller Women
At 10.27 pm on 24/04/2014
Background Seven young women were part of the group Margaret (M1) – no children yet Margaret (M2) – no children Donna (D) – no children Mary (M3) - I have a little girl and she’s two years Lynette (L) – I have a little girl and she is 8 months Tara (T) – I have a little boy and he’s 16 months Kara (K) – I have a three year old girl and a two year old boy. Interview I = Interviewer
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I: Did any of you go to pre-school? M1: I went to St Chiaran’s (A Traveller school with a pre-school attached) M2: I can’t remember D: I went to St Chiarans as well. I started when I was three. It was good. I cried for the first few days. M3: I went to Primary school straight. A mainstream school. I: And what about your little girl, do you think you will send her? M3: Yeah I will. L: I don’t remember anything about pre-school. Just Primary. I: And what about your little girl? L: Yeah, she’s a bit young for the crèche yet. She’s at home with my mother. When she’s well able for it, when she’s able to talk and all (I will use a pre-school) T: I went to a community pre-school when I was three or four. I: What do you remember about it? T: I remember it being fun like, I enjoyed it. I: What about your little lad? T: Oh my mother takes him. He’s too young as well. I: When he gets to say three or four, will you send him to pre-school? T: Yeah definitely. K: I just started school when I was five. I: And what about the kids? K: My girl went to a community pre-school but I took her out and sent her up to the Traveller specific schoo.. I: When will she be 4? K: November I: So she’s going up to the reception year, the year before school. Do they have many little ones up there? K: Not really. I: Tell me why you chose the particular pre-school to which you sent your children? K: Her father went there and a lot of her aunties and uncles are up there (in the primary school section) I: And why did you choose the community pre-school before that. K: Because a cousin of hers was there. But it didn’t work out because they were in different classes I: In your opinion, what makes a good pre-school? M1: Feedback T: How close it is to you. M2: You’d look into it like. L: The way they treat your children M2: I’d be afraid they’d get neglected or something I: Why would you think that? M2: It was on the news about it - you’d have to trust someone to mind your child like. M1: The better you know the person who’s running the crèche I: What about, if you thought the person in the crèche wasn’t qualified? M2: yeah M1: yeah D: yeah
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I: Someone mentioned earlier that it’s about the way they treat your children… K: When my daughter was going to the community service she was crying going in but when she went up to the Traveller specific pre-school she was much happier. She’s delighted every morning now. She can’t wait to get on the bus to go to school. I: And what do you think the difference is? K: It’s just the teacher up there is very, very nice. I: Do you know if the teacher is highly qualified? K: She’s been up there for years. M1: She taught me up there years ago. K: They just take it a step more to make the child comfortable. K: If they go out of their way…. I: On the other side then what would make a bad pre-school? M2: If they were neglecting your children. I’m not a mother but I’d say a mother could tell…. D: They would know their own child I: So is there anything else then that would make a bad pre-school? M3: If you go in and it’s all untidy or dirty I: What would put you off sending your child to pre-school? M2: Neglect M1: Hearing things about the pre-school D: Getting negative feedback L: That the child is too young M2: What’s been on the news about it. Make you trust no-one M1: And you’d be paranoid about it. L: Like you’re leaving the life of your child in someone else’s hands M2: If they (the childcare workers) have no time for them (the children) I: What would encourage you to send your child to pre-school? M2: To learn M1: To mix L: To be not stuck at home all day M3: To have a break I: What would encourage you to send your child to a particular pre-school? K: A lot of people I know and their father went to it M2: If it was good I: Would any of you pick a pre-school where you didn’t know anybody who was going there? T: It depends on the child. Some kids are good at mixing. Some kids are shy. But if you don’t know a child there (in a specific childcare service), they mightn’t go;
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I: If I told you that the best pre-school in Ireland was two miles away from you and it was free to go to, would you choose that pre-school M2: Well you’d have to investigate it L: You’d have to visit it D: Go on the website to find out more L: Talk to one of the staff M3: Have a look around M1: Check the qualifications I: Would you feel confident investigating it, going in and asking questions? M1: Yeah M2: Yeah T: Yeah M3: I don’t think I would be able to do it D: I would K: I asked a few questions I suppose, but my partner was asking more. I: Do you think the decision to close Traveller pre-schools was a good one? M1:M2: Yeah, Yeah M1: Travellers should mix with settled people more L: Everybody should be equal, treated equal M1: You shouldn’t just have a pre-school for Travellers like M1: You would feel like they were treating you different. Like when I went to pre-school I would have liked to have gone somewhere else. It was a good pre-school but I would have rathered…. Cos I went to a Travellers’ secondary school as well. It’s a better idea to mix. I: Do you think that Traveller culture is effected by the closure of Traveller pre-schools? M2: Me and my brothers went to ordinary schools primary and secondary and we still have our culture. So it doesn’t really matter about the school, I think (in terms of culture) K: I’m not a Traveller but I am with a Traveller (in a relationship with) and I don’t think that any child should be treated differently, they should be treated the same, but if they want if they want to go on the road or anything, that should be up to them. No child should be treated any different to any other child no matter what culture they are. M2: I think it all depends on the family – culture D: Not all Travellers are the same I: Do you have enough information about pre-schools in your area? I: Do you know where they are? M2: No T: Well, I didn’t know there was 40 in this town (laughs) I: Did you know that under the government funded ECCE scheme, your children can go to any of those pre-schools? I: Do you know where to look for the information about where those pre-schools are? M1: The Internet? M2: Just ask around
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I: Say you wanted to find a particular pre-school, say Playtime Montessori, how would you find it? M2: Where’s that? I did work experience in a Montessori but I can’t remember the name of it. I: Did you? M2: There was child there, a little boy, there was something wrong with him, nothing serious, he had anger issues or something, and they left him out. I stopped doing my work experience there over that. They left him out and they locked him in the classroom upstairs while they brought the other kids around. He was screaming and crying an awful lot. I stopped going because of that. It was terrible. They were very lazy there. I: Was this work experience part of a childcare qualification? M2: No it was during school I: Do you think that experience would affect how you would choose a pre-school? M2: I can’t even look at the place when I am driving past. No way. It’s scary even the inside of it. When you walk in, it’s like you can feel it. That there’s something not right about it. I: So you would work on feelings. If you got a sense of someplace not being friendly or good or whatever. Going back to finding information on pre-schools, you said you would use the internet, ask other people and rely on your own personal experiences and feelings about a service. I: Do you have any questions for me? D: I think we have talked enough (laughs)
Appendix 19 – Interview with Childcare Provider 1
Interview with Owner/Manager of a private full day care facility At 10.00 am on 12/06/2014
Background This full day care service has been owned and run by the current manager for 8 years since 2006 It is based in a rural area about 1 kilometre from the nearest small town The service can accommodate 50 children at any one time. Full day care, part time care, the free-pre-school year, Montessori pre-school and after school care are the childcare options available at this service . Including the manager there are 8 full-time staff. There are 23 free pre-school year children on the books of this service though not all children attend every day. Three of these children are Travellers. One of the three comes from the local town, the other two come from two other towns that are both within a 3 mile radius of the service. These 23 children have two optional extras that they may avail of
1. A hot meal every day for €19 a month
2. A Stretch and Grow class once a week for €3 a week
Most of the 23 children, including the 3 Traveller children avail of the optional extras.
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The service has a policy of not taking deposits to secure places and does not ask for a voluntary contribution from families. Interview I = Interviewer M = Manager I: Tell me what about the pre-school part of your service would attract Traveller families M: Being Friendly and Welcoming. Giving help to parents filling out forms and reading and explaining what’s on forms. Being honest with them and being upfront even asking “Can you read and write?” I: Do you think that’s an easy question to ask? M: Well it is for me. I believe in being upfront. I grew up with Travellers. A family moved to my area when I was young. I went to school with them. My parents never made any fuss that I hung around with Travellers. It’s all about having normal conversations with them about everyday things. If you hide from them, they’ll hide from you. I: Is there anything else that would make Traveller families use your pre-school? M: Word-of-mouth. One Traveller family might tell another Traveller family. I: Tell me what things about your pre-school would put Traveller families off applying to come here. M: Pauses… I can’t think of anything. Maybe the only things would be that we are full-day care and private I: What do you think Traveller families are looking for in a pre-school? M: A welcoming manager who will introduce them to the staff who will be with the child because they (Travellers) have a fear of their child not being looked after ‘cos of who they are. I: Do you think the decision to close Traveller Pre-Schools was a good decision? M: Yes, it was a good idea cos now they have a choice of where they go.
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Appendix 20 – Interview with Childcare Provider 2
Interview with Owner/Manager of a private pre-school
At 10.00 am on 13/06/2014
I = Interviewer
O = Owner
Background
This service has been owned and run by the current manager for 15 years
The service can accommodate 20 children at any one time.
The free-pre-school year, pre-school and after school care are the childcare
options available at this service.
Including the owner there are 3 part-time staff.
There are 18 free pre-school year children on the books of this service though
not all children attend every day. No Traveller children attend.
These pre-school children are not charged for optional extras but children may
stay for an extra half an hour at a cost of €20 per week.
More than half of the 18 children avail of the optional time.
The service has a policy of not taking deposits to secure places and does not ask
for a voluntary contribution from families. Interview I = Interviewer
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O= Owner I: Tell me what about the pre-school part of your service would attract Traveller families O: Being open and treating all children the same. We have children from all backgrounds here and would never give one child preference over another. I: Is there anything else that would make Traveller families use your pre-school? O: I don’t know if advertising works because we do a lot of that. Maybe some other way of reaching the families. Maybe linking in with family support workers who work with the families. I: Tell me what things about your pre-school would put Traveller families off applying to come here. O: Maybe where we are or maybe they don’t know where we are. I: What do you think Traveller families are looking for in a pre-school? O: The same as everyone else, I suppose. A safe, high quality place where their children will be enabled to develop socially and academically, getting ready for school. I: Do you think the decision to phase out Traveller Pre-Schools was a good decision? O: Yes, I think it was but has it really happened? There is still a Traveller pre-school in the area. But if they are being phased out, I agree with it because all children should have the same opportunities and experiences. After all, we don’t send Polish children to Polish pre-schools and we don’t send African children to African pre-schools. They are helped within our pre-school system to develop their language and other skills and they don’t lose their connection with their backgrounds.
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Appendix 21 – Interview with Childcare Provider 3
Interview with Manager of a group of community childcare services
At 10.25 am on 16/06/2014
I = Interviewer
M1 = Manager
Background
This group of community childcare services is spread across 7 locations and
offers sessional care, breakfast clubs and after school services to in excess of
200 children and has been doing so for over 20 years.
The sessional or pre-school part of the service caters for 80 children across two
sites. One of the sites has both a morning and an afternoon session (26 + 30 +
24). 51 of the 80 children are part of the ECCE scheme and the others would
predominantly avail of the CCS scheme (This scheme provides subsidised or
free childcare for eligible families based on need which is evidenced usually by
the parents’ receipt of a social welfare payment)
The percentage that would be Traveller children would be quite small. 7 or 8
out of the 51 are Travellers (around 14%). This figure is high because of
location of the service and the profile of families in the area. The service is
located in a RAPID area which indicates high disadvantage.
If the children come and do a CCS year, they usually stay to do the free pre-
school year afterwards, so they get a two year pre-school experience and I
would say for most Traveller families that has been a big departure over the last
few years. The completely free pre-school year has probably opened Travellers
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more to pre-school education and once that’s happened the subsequent siblings,
cousins and other family members, they see that they can also have the CCS
year. Not only has it been an improvement in the amount of traveller children
starting and ending with a free pre-school year, it means that more have two
pre-school years. So its more than just the free year, also the subsidised year
(CCS) has made a big difference. For traveller families, it has opened it and
made it more familiar to them. The concept of sending their children early to
school which for a lot of traveller women has been a step to get over because
most would feel that what their function is, is to look after their young children.
For the most part the mums here would be stay-at-home mums. The other thing
is we have more Traveller men bringing their children and understanding the
whole idea of pre-school education and over the last two years that has been a
huge change. Some of it has to do with the changes in Welfare benefits where
especially the young women can get part-time work and the Traveller men are
still not working in the official economy and they would be the ones dropping
the children into pre-school.
I: What is it about your service that would attract Traveller Families?
M1: The big thing is familiarity and trust that builds up over a lot of years so
maybe even Traveller families who would never have sent their children to pre-
school, they have sent their children to homework club. So they might have had
older ones in homework club and then the free pre-school year (ECCE) came in
and they might send younger children or their grandchildren because the service
is someplace they trust for the care of their children. We would have built a
rapport with Traveller families over the years as well as other families who
would have other difficulties, who live in the area and I was very interested
when the Free Pre-school Year (ECCE) came in to see if these families would
send their children to other services but it hasn’t happened.
I: Is there anything about your pre-school that would put traveller families off
applying for admission?
M1: (Pauses) Not applying for admission, but what puts Traveller families off is
the structure of it. The fact that we do expect the children to come every day,
that we expect them to be in for the curriculum at nine o’ clock, that if they are
not going to attend on a regular basis, we hassle them about it. They are the
things that are the niggles between the service and the families and their culture.
The service would be fairly attractive to Traveller families generally.
I: What do you think Traveller families are looking for in a pre-school?
M1: I think they are looking for a pre-school that’s not judgemental, or not
having any pre-conceived ideas about how their children are going to behave or
how they are going to perform and I think very often they would like a pre-
school where they are going to be talked to. It has to be face-to-face
communication, the note or the text won’t do.
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So there’s that, and all of the usual things with any parent, to know their
children are safe, that the staff are nice to them, all the normal everyday things,
the same as any parent, there’s nothing different, but for Travellers, in
particular, once, they’ve committed to a place, unless something goes wrong….
We have had, on occasion, issues with child protection, where you would lose a
whole extended Traveller family, if a child protection referral was made. They
will just withdraw from the service. What we have found over the years is that
they might withdraw for a year and within the year they would come back.
Pragmatically, it (the service) suits in other ways.
Again, these are the issues that would impact upon Travellers when looking for
or using a pre-school.
I: Do the Traveller families who attend the pre-school all live locally?
M1: The vast majority do, but we do prioritise some Traveller families. We
have on our application form, that people would be in the catchment area,
because we serve the two RAPID areas, but nevertheless, we also look at
siblings who previously attended and any other issues that we feel are pertinent,
so, on occasion, we have had families who have moved from the area, but who
would still want the children to continue coming here. But nevertheless, the vast
majority who attend here are local and within walking distance of the service.
I: Do you think the decision to close traveller pre-schools was a good decision?
M1: I’m not really sure that it has actually happened, first of all.
I: There are a couple still open…
M1: It seems to me that if they had closed all Traveller pre-schools, I would
think that it would be a good decision because it would integrate Traveller
children better for their transition into mainstream school and it has given
parents a better choice. Unfortunately there are gender related issues. Because a
lot of traveller families in my experience, are more willing to send their girl
children to mainstream school than their boy children and for a variety of
reasons, maybe behavioural issues, and sometimes a boy will spend two or three
years in a mainstream school and then move into a Traveller school. So I do
think it’s a good idea to close Traveller pre-schools, but a situation where you
have a limbo… for example, on two occasions this year, we have had children
who haven’t been attending well here but getting on terrifically in terms of their
development and learning but they haven’t had the consistency in terms of
lifestyle and parenting to have the child here 5 days a week. Because the
consistency of attendance was an issue, the families then opted to move to local
Traveller pre-school, which to me seems to be a second best option for the
child.
I: I know of a really successful Traveller pre-school in another area, which uses
the Highscope method, where attendance levels are good and where numbers
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transitioning to mainstream primary school are very high… So where Traveller
pre-school work, they work.
M1: If they work, in terms of transitioning to mainstream primary school, that
would be good.
M1: In terms of the decision to close Traveller pre-schools, I am sure Traveller
parents would be ambivalent because everyone wants their child to be
welcomed. No matter how much you want to promote and hold on to your
culture, you don’t want your child to feel even slightly different. The main issue
for us is that we would make differences of all children a positive. What we are
trying to do, is not homogenise the whole group of children in pre-school. What
we do is, because lots of children in our service have different cultures and
backgrounds, we look at these aspects of their home life and make them into
positives, such as language. We don’t try to smooth it all out into one
homogenised group.
I: Is there anything striking that you have seen or experienced in terms of
changes in how traveller families access pre-school in the past 4 years or so?
M1: I think the only other thing that I haven’t mentioned already would be the
perspective of parents. Like any other group in society, you have a huge
variations in what a Traveller is. We have a lot of young parents now, who have
been through our services themselves, for example homework clubs. They are
from Traveller families, but they are so integrated into society now that they
really aren’t identified as Travellers and they don’t self-identify as Travellers
either. That is a big difference. These young Traveller parents are more likely to
integrate with the other parents. They discuss their children more openly. They
have a more integrated approach to their child’s life. The reason for this, I think,
is that they are able to step back from the Traveller culture. It’s a hard one to
identify but you can see it. The Traveller parents who have been through our
childcare services themselves are much more open to advice and support.
Sometimes, the previous generation of traveller mothers, would not want to
speak to me (as manager). The “high woman” is not someone, they would have
wanted to speak to but they would speak happily to the staff.
I: We have come to the end. Thank you for your time and consent.